Laochra Gael Series 9 – The Sagas
Laochra Gael Sraith 9 – Na Coimhlintí Móra
A new angle for this popular series, looking back on epic rivalries and sagas in hurling and football. Contributors include players, managers, commentators and analysts.
Sraith nua ag caitheamh súil siar ar choimhlintí móra na hiomána agus na peile. Inste ag imreoirí, bainisteoirí, tráchtairí agus anailísithe.
Laochra Gael (15/4/2010)
Programme 1 – Offaly v Kerry 1980-82
The first epic of the new series takes a look back at the classic Kerry v Offaly saga of the early 80's. A golden era for Kerry, but dramatically denied that historic five-in-a-row by Offaly.
With revealing interviews from Jack O'Shea, Mick O'Dwyer, Páidí Ó Sé, Mikey Sheehy, Eugene McGee, Seamus Darby and Pat Fitzgerald.
Laochra Gael
Clár 1 - Uíbh Fhailí v Ciarraí 1980-82
Caitheann an chéad chlár seo súil siar ar an sága idir Uíbh Fhailí v Ciarraí i dtús na 80daí. Ré órga do Chiarraí, ach an cúig-as-a-chéile ceilte go dramatúil ag Uíbh Fhailí orthu.
Cuirtear Jack O'Shea, Mick O'Dwyer, Páidí Ó Sé, Mikey Sheehy, Eugene McGee, Seamus Darby agus Pat Fitzgerald faoi agallamh.
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Very good .Thanks for the notice . I always think that what makes a great team is the opposition ?
That was some offaly team yet most of the kerry boys came back to win 3 more which in my eyes made them legends
That was some day and had the privelege of being on the Hill when Darby cracked the goal. Kings of September is a great book about this and how the players got on in life afterwards and how it affected them.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 15, 2010, 10:15:22 AM
Kings of September is a great book about this and how the players got on in life afterwards and how it affected them.
Great book - sad enough how it affected some of them alright
Paraphrasing - "I wouldn't be out the seven nights, but I'd have a fair cut off it the other six..."
Laochra Gael – Na Comhlintí, TG4 tonight/anocht @ 20:00
For anyone that missed the first episode in the series you can catch up here:
PT 1
http://www.tg4.tv/main.aspx?level=sport&content=72679815169
PT2
http://www.tg4.tv/main.aspx?level=sport&content=72690198529
Couple of observations on an excellent programmme (Mar is gnath ar TG4) Watched it last night....I was shocked how old Egan looked (hope he's doing well) and how young Mikey looked!!
Not enough footage of the genius that is Matt Connor....ach amhain sin thar bharr mar i gconai lads..
Repeat just started.
Well An Puca...cad e ata ar bun agaibh don chead clar eile...?
I had forgotten how good Matt Connor was until I saw the clips, no wonder he is always talked about when great players are mentioned, a classy and a stand out player in an era of great players.
TG4 22/04/10 @ 20:00
Laochra Gael (22/4/2010)
Programme 2 – Cork v Waterford 2002-2007
One of the most enthralling sporting rivalries of modern hurling, the Cork v Waterford clashes are brought back to life as we review their nine epic clashes in the Munster and All Ireland Championships from 2002 - 2007.
Contributors include Paul Flynn, Diarmuid O'Sullivan, Tom Kenny, John Allen, Nicky Cashin, Brendan Fullam and Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh.
Laochra Gael
Clár 2 - Corcaigh v Port Láirge 2002-2007
Is beag coimhlint a bhí chomh mealltach leis an gcoimhlint idir Corcaigh agus Port Láirge idir 2002 agus 2007. Tugtar chun beatha arís na naoi gcinn de chluichí craoibhe a bhí eatarthu i rith an ama sin, cathanna epiceacha i gCraobh na Mumhan agus Craobh na hÉireann.
Orthu siúd atá páirteach sa chlár, tá Paul Flynn, Diarmuid O'Sullivan, Tom Kenny, John Allen, Nicky Cashin, Brendan Fullam agus Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh.
Aye... Matt Connor was something special. An excellent programme. I thought Jack O'Shea came across very well... another mighty man.
Just watched this last night. Great programme. Interesting how many goals were "basketballed" into the net in those days!
Well done again TG4. Offaly/Kerry produce much better quality of football than Dublin/Kerry in my opinion yet there is'nt half as much made about it. (not blaming the Dubs for that... kerry and themselves in that era booted alot of ball over the sideline and the games in general were very scrappy).
Offaly had such fine players then in the likes of Dunne, Lowry, Currams, Mooney, the Connors (especially Matt Connor - surely he'd still be the number one forward even today with his skill, balance and pace?). Credit to the Kingdom for coming back to win 3 more.
Jacko comes across very well. Great sense of humour. As I find Paidi such an attention seeking media clown these recent years it was nice to be reminded what a fine player he was. Very like his nephew Tomas today. Fitzgerald's emotion describing the final whistle of '82 is very moving.
Well done TG4.
TG4 @ 20:00 (29/4/2010)
Laochra Gael (29/4/2010)
Programme 3 – Tyrone v Armagh 2003-2005
A dynamic look at the one of the most ferocious series of battles in GAA history. Two long-time neighbouring rivals, Tyrone and Armagh heralded the beginning of a whole new brand of Gaelic football. Armagh's first All Ireland win in 2002 left them hungry for more, but a powerful Tyrone team had different plans.
With candid interviews from Mickey Harte, Ryan MacMenamin, Joe Kernan, Enda McNulty and Jarlath Burns.
Laochra Gael
Clár 3 - Tír Eoghain v Ard Mhacha 2003-2005
Súil siar fuinniúil ar cheann de na coimhlintí b'fhíochmhara i stair CLG. Thug na comharsain, Tír Eoghain agus Ard Mhacha, stíl nua peile dúinn lenar bhuaidh Ard Mhacha a gcéad chraobh Uile Éirinn riamh. Bhíodar cíocrach chun dul níos faide, ach bhí a mhalairt de thuairim ag Tír Eoghain.
Le hagallaimh ó Mickey Harte, Ryan MacMenamin, Joe Kernan, Enda McNulty agus Jarlath Burns.
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Do these get repeated?
Quote from: tyroneman on May 02, 2010, 09:08:15 AM
Do these get repeated?
Hope so, i missed it on fri nite too. if it's on again soon could someone let me know....thanks
you can watch the repeats here
http://live.tg4.ie/main.aspx?level=sport
http://gaabeotg4.com
LAOCHRA GAEL SRAITH 10
CLÁR 1 – DAN SHANAHAN – PORT LÁRIGE
Déardaoin 5ú Aibreán ag 22.00 ar TG4
Athchraoladh: Dé Domhnaigh 8ú Aibreán ag 21.00 ar TG4
Dan Shanahan, iomanaí na bliana 2007 agus duine dena tosaithe is spleodraí le deich mbliana anuas- an fear a d'aimsigh cúl is fiche- uilig ón imirt, sa gCraobhchomórtas. Cloisfear agallaimh le Seán Óg Ó hAilpín, Brendan Cummins agus Nicky Cashin chomh maith.
Thursday 5th April at 22.00 on TG4
Repeat: Sunday 8th April at 21.00 on TG4
Dan Shanahan, Hurler of the Year 2007 and one of the most exciting hurlers of the past decade, the Waterford player lit up the championship, summer after summer with a tally of 21 goals, all from play. Includes interviews with Séan Óg Ó hAilpín, Brendan Cummins and Nicky Cashin.
CLÁR 2 – OISÍN MCCONVILLE – ARD MHACHA
Déardaoin 12ú Aibreán ag 22.00 ar TG4
Athchraoladh: Dé Domhnaigh 15ú Aibreán ag 21.00 ar TG4
Buaiteoir Boinn Uile Éireann le Raonaithe na Croise agus Ard Mhacha, bhí Oisín McConville chomh maith le haon tosach eile lena linn, ach ní raibh a shaol pearsanta chomh héasca céanna. Cloisimid a scéal féin agus cloisfear Joe Kernan, Peter Canavan, Jarlath Burns agus Dara Ó Cinnéide chomh maith.
Thursday 12th April at 22.00 on TG4
Repeat: Sunday 15th April at 21.00 on TG4
All Ireland Winner with Armagh and Crossmaglen Oisín McConville, was one of the outstanding forwards of his generation but life was much darker for Oisín off the football pitch. Includes interviews with Joe Kernan, Peter Canavan, Jarlath Burns and Dara Ó Cinnéide.
CLÁR 3 – JIMMY BARRY MURPHY – CORCAIGH
Déardaoin 19ú Aibreán ag 22.00 ar TG4
Athchraoladh: Dé Domhnaigh 22ú Aibreán ag 21.00 ar TG4
Jimmy Barry-Muphy- laoch peile agus iomána cois Laoi. Bhuaigh sé leathdhosaen Craobh Uile Éireann agus é mar bhainisteoir ar fhoireann bhuacach iomána Chorcaí i 1999. Beidh Brian Cody, Donal O'Grady, Billy Morgan agus John Allen le clos chomh maith
Thursday 19th April at 22.00 on TG4
Repeat: Sunday 22nd April at 21.00 on TG4
Jimmy Barry Murphy, the great Cork's dual star, won 6 All Irelands and managed the Cork hurlers to another title in 1999. Includes interviews with Brian Cody, Donal O'Grady, Billy Morgan and John Allen.
CLÁR 4 – MIKEY SHEEHY – CIARRAÍ
Déardaoin 26ú Aibreán ag 22.00 ar TG4
Athchraoladh: Dé Domhnaigh 29ú Aibreán ag 21.00 ar TG4
Mikey Sheehy as Ciarraí, tosach lárnach ar an bhfoireann peile ab fhearr riamh. Scórálaí rialta, bhuaigh Mikey ocht mbonn Uile Éireann agus ainmníodh é ar fhóirne an chéid agus na mílaoise. Cloisfear Mick O'Dwyer, Ogie Moran agus Ger Canning chomh maith.
Thursday 26th April at 22.00 on TG4
Repeat: Sunday 29th April at 21.00 on TG4
Kerry's Mikey Sheehy: the key forward on the greatest team to ever take to the Gaelic football pitch. A prolific scorer Mikey won eight All Irelands and was named on the Team of the Century and the Millenium. Includes interviews with Mick O'Dwyer, Ogie Moran and Ger Canning.
CLÁR 5 – DJ CAREY – CILL CHAINNIGH
Déardaoin 3ú Bealtaine ag 22.00 ar TG4
Athchraoladh: Dé Domhnaigh 6ú Bealtaine ag 21.00 ar TG4
B'é D J Carey as Cill Chainnigh duine dena hiománaithe ab fhearr riamh. Bhuaigh sé cúig bhonn Uile Éireann, naoi ngradam Allstar agus d'aimsigh sé 34-187 i 52 cluiche craoibhe- méid dochreidte. Beidh agallaimh le Brian Cody, Brian Whelahan agus Pat Fleury chomh maith.
Thursday 3rd May at 22.00 on TG4
Repeat: Sunday 6th May at 21.00 on TG4
Kilkenny's D.J. Carey one of the greatest hurlers of all time, he won 5 All Irelands and 9 All Stars, was twice awarded Hurler of the Year and racked up an amazing tally of 34-187 in 52 championship games. Includes interviews with Brian Cody, Brian Whelehan and Pat Fleury.
CLÁR 6 – BRIAN MCENIFF – DÚN NA NGALL
Déardaoin 10ú Bealtaine ag 22.00 ar TG4
Athchraoladh: Dé Domhnaigh 13ú Bealtaine ag 21.00 ar TG4
Conallach go smior, b'é Brian McEniff ba chúis le Dún na nGall ag buachaint Craoibhe Uile Eireann don gcéad uair i 1992. Beidh Joe Kernan, Tony Boyle, Jarlath Burns agus Tommy Carr le clos chomh maith.
Thursday 10th May at 22.00 on TG4
Repeat: Sunday 13th May at 21.00 on TG4
'Mr Donegal' Brian McEniff masterminded Donegal's first ever All Ireland win in 1992. Includes contributions from Joe Kernan, Tony Boyle, Jarlath Burns and Tommy Carr.
CLÁR 7 – BRIAN CORCORAN – CORCAIGH
Déardaoin 17ú Bealtaine ag 22.00 ar TG4
Athchraoladh: Dé Domhnaigh 20ú Bealtaine ag 21.00 ar TG4
Imreoir inspioráideach le Corcaigh idir 1991 agus 2006, d'imir Brian Corcoran thar cinn mar chosantóir agus mar thosach, ag buachaint trí bhonn Uile Éireann le hiománaithe Chorcaí, chomh maith leis an ngradam Imreoir na bliana faoi dhó. Beidh Donal O'Grady, Billy Morgan, Frank Lohan agus Nicky Cashin le clos chomh maith.
Thursday 17th May at 22.00 on TG4
Repeat: Sunday 20th May at 21.00 on TG4
An inspirational force in Cork GAA throughout the 90s and 00s dual player Brian Corcoran excelled as both a defender and a forward, winning 3 All Ireland's with the Cork hurlers and 2 Hurler of the Year Awards. Includes contributions from Donal O'Grady, Billy Morgan, Frank Lohan and Nicky Cashin.
CLÁR 8 – LIAM HAYES – AN MHÍ
Déardaoin 24ú Bealtaine ag 22.00 ar TG4
Athchraoladh: Dé Domhnaigh 27ú Bealtaine ag 21.00 ar TG4
Ba shár-imreoir láir páirce Liam Hayes, ar fhoireann chrua, agus rathúil na Mí ó lár na n-ochtóidi go lár na naochaidí. Bhuadar dhá Chraobh Uile Éireann agus cúíg Chraobh Laighean sa tréimhse sin. Tá agallaimh le Sean Boylan, Tommy Carr agus Ger Canning chomh maith.
Thursday 24th May at 22.00 on TG4
Repeat: Sunday 27th May at 21.00 on TG4
Liam Hayes was a fearless midfielder on the tough, uncompromising and very successful Meath team of the 80s and early 90s winning two All Irelands and five Leinster titles. Includes interviews with Seán Boylan, Tommy Carr and Ger Canning.
CLÁR 9 – OLLIE CANNING – GAILLIMH
Déardaoin 31ú Bealtaine ag 22.00 ar TG4
Athchraoladh: Dé Domhnaigh 3ú Meitheamh ag 21.00 ar TG4
Ollie Canning- ceannaire ar an bpáirc le Gaillimh agus le Port Omna- bhuaigh se trí Chraobh na gClub le Port Omna, é mar chaiptín faoi dhó, agus ceithre Shraith le Gaillimh. Bronnadh ceithre ghradam Allstar air. Cloisfear Seán Óg Ó hAilpín, Cathal Moore agus Charlie Carter chomh maith.
Thursday 31st May at 22.00 on TG4
Repeat: Sunday 3rd June at 21.00 on TG4
Ollie Canning a leader on the pitch with both Galway and his club Portumna the tenacious defender won three Club All Irelands with Portumna, captaining them to two and four All Stars and four leagues with Galway. Includes interviews with Seán Óg Ó hAilpín, Cathal Moore and Charlie Carter.
CLÁR 10 – DECLAN BROWNE – TIOBRAID ÁRANN
Thursday 7th June at 22.00 on TG4
Repeat: Sunday 10th June at 21.00 on TG4
Tipperary's Declan Browne, a footballing genius in a hurling stronghold, he would become Tipperary's first football All Star and lift the Tommy Murphy cup in 2005. Includes interviews with Mick O'Dwyer, Brendan Cummins and Dara Ó Cinnéide.
An Tiobradach Declan Browne, draoideoir peile i gcondae iomána, b'é an chéad Allstar peile as Tiobraid Arann agus é mar chaiptín ar fhoireann bhuacach Coirn Tommy Murphy i 2005. Tá Mick O'Dwyer, Brendan Cummins agus Dar Ó Cinnéide ar an gclár freisin.
If you think about that Offaly team, there was some quality of teams coming out of Leinister from the 1970's right through until the late 1990's, basically Dublin-Offaly-Meath-Dublin-Meath.
Very good programme about Liam Hayes last night....you forget how good he was...and how filthy they all were ;)
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 25, 2012, 02:19:15 PM
Very good programme about Liam Hayes last night....you forget how good he was...and how filthy they all were ;)
Tough :)
Did they ever do one on Eugene Mc Kenna, Tyrone
Quote from: rrhf on May 25, 2012, 03:09:18 PM
Did they ever do one on Eugene Mc Kenna, Tyrone
Nope...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laochra_Gael
Quote from: rrhf on May 25, 2012, 03:09:18 PM
Did they ever do one on Eugene Mc Kenna, Tyrone
No. They got Dooher, McBride and Canavan, though.
Oh sorry. I see what you mean.
Quote from: Hardy on May 25, 2012, 04:02:00 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 25, 2012, 03:09:18 PM
Did they ever do one on Eugene Mc Kenna, Tyrone
No. They got Dooher, McBride and Canavan, though.
Oh sorry. I see what you mean.
Very good
Starting now ...Declan Browne. Saw him playing against Down in Burren a few years ago in the league..I think Tipp got 11 points and he got 9 of them. Absolutely superb player....the biggest (back hand) compliment he ever got was the Aussies taking him out of it in a friendly before one of the International Rules series...even the kangaroo shaggers knew he was a genius.
Nice post 5 Sams. I wonder was Seanie Johnston looking at this last night. He might have learned someting from looking at a player who was miles better than Seanie ever was, and remained loyal to both his club and his county. Tipperary's greatest ever footballer and a class act both on and off the field. Great that he is so admired not just here in Tipp, but by GAA people all over the country.
the man was as good as any over the last 15 years ( thats the only period i can judge really). I knew he was good, but it was only when watching it last night did i see the quality of some of his scores, like against cork in 2002, when they drew with them in munster final. Didn't realise he was only 29 when he quit
Don't forget Tohill tonight on Laochra Gael TG4 Anthony Tohill
TG4 tonight Thurs 21st Feb 2013 at 8pm and again on Sunday I believe
Anthony Tohill was one of the best players lárpáirce was there in the 90s. Her received great strength score from play and from cheap chiceanna. One All-Ireland medal, two Ulster championship, four National league basis and won four All Star awards. He was a captain and manager of the Irish team who played in common against the Australian Football. Peter Canavan will Tony Scullion and Jarlath Burns also interviewed.
Cheers for that. You may wanna re-read your posts though!!
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 21, 2013, 03:35:46 PM
Don't forget Tohill tonight on Laochra Gael TG4 Anthony Tohill
TG4 tonight Thurs 21st Feb 2013 at 8pm and again on Sunday I believe
Anthony Tohill was one of the best players lárpáirce was there in the 90s. Her received great strength score from play and from cheap chiceanna. One All-Ireland medal, two Ulster championship, four National league basis and won four All Star awards. He was a captain and manager of the Irish team who played in common against the Australian Football. Peter Canavan will Tony Scullion and Jarlath Burns also interviewed.
cheap chiceanna - nice one Fuzzman.
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 21, 2013, 03:35:46 PM
Don't forget Tohill tonight on Laochra Gael TG4 Anthony Tohill
TG4 tonight Thurs 21st Feb 2013 at 8pm and again on Sunday I believe
Anthony Tohill was one of the best players lárpáirce was there in the 90s. Her received great strength score from play and from cheap chiceanna. One All-Ireland medal, two Ulster championship, four National league basis and won four All Star awards. He was a captain and manager of the Irish team who played in common against the Australian Football. Peter Canavan will Tony Scullion and Jarlath Burns also interviewed.
Typical Tyrone man trying to sully one of Derry's greats with their terrible spelling and grammar!!
Tohill one week, Jody Gormley next week?
Quote from: rrhf on February 21, 2013, 07:15:18 PM
Tohill one week, Jody Gormley next week?
One hero to another..........
One of the few midfielders who would measure up to D Sé, Jacko or Mullins.
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 22, 2013, 12:59:45 AM
One of the few midfielders who would measure up to D Sé, Jacko or Mullins.
I have not seen the latter two to make a proper judgement; but I can make a good call on O Se. I reckon Tohill was a better midfielder than him. He took a lot more scores than Darragh ,frees and from play; he was a better fielder; a better athlete up and down the field and possessed more overall skill like the NFL Final goal against meath when he tip toes the ball into the net would testify. Maybe O Se headed the 'fear factor' side of things where he could bully the opposition with his strength and the 'Kerry/O Se' factor.
What do the rest of ye think?
Tohill was a brillant player, destroyed Cavan on plenty of occasions. Nobody could stop him when he was making those strong runs.
Quote from: hardstation on February 22, 2013, 09:59:52 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on February 22, 2013, 08:42:04 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 22, 2013, 12:59:45 AM
One of the few midfielders who would measure up to D Sé, Jacko or Mullins.
I have not seen the latter two to make a proper judgement; but I can make a good call on O Se. I reckon Tohill was a better midfielder than him. He took a lot more scores than Darragh ,frees and from play; he was a better fielder; a better athlete up and down the field and possessed more overall skill like the NFL Final goal against meath when he tip toes the ball into the net would testify. Maybe O Se headed the 'fear factor' side of things where he could bully the opposition with his strength and the 'Kerry/O Se' factor.
What do the rest of ye think?
He was no Sheeny McQuillan.
Ah oul Sheeny. Had one fantastic game against Derry; remind me Hardstation what is your lasting memory from that hot summer's day draw at Casement?
Tohill was my childhood hero, so perhaps i'm a little bias, but how in under god could you put Brian Mullins in the same sentence!
I agree strongly with ticklemister, he was a more complete footballer than Dara O'Shea. Big Tokil was just something else!
Quote from: Leaverinlong on February 22, 2013, 10:14:45 AM
Tohill was my childhood hero, so perhaps i'm a little bias, but how in under god could you put Brian Mullins in the same sentence!
I agree strongly with ticklemister, he was a more complete footballer than Dara O'Shea. Big Tokil was just something else!
Indeed, up there with Kevin Walsh.
Quote from: Leaverinlong on February 22, 2013, 10:14:45 AM
Tohill was my childhood hero, so perhaps i'm a little bias, but how in under god could you put Brian Mullins in the same sentence!
I agree strongly with ticklemister, he was a more complete footballer than Dara O'Shea. Big Tokil was just something else!
Whatever about Mullins' management credentials he was a great player!!
Quote from: ApresMatch on February 21, 2013, 04:22:10 PM
Cheers for that. You may wanna re-read your posts though!!
Oops. Was in a hurry and copied and pasted it straight from the TG4 website.
As a biased Tyrone man who went to school in Derry during the 90's, I probably didn't appreciate how good a player he was. There was tense rivalry between Tyrone & Derry for a number of years in the 90's where they seem to meet nearly every year. its amazing the teams have only ever met once in an Ulster final, back in 1957.
Tohill had a formidable partnership with McGilligan and had Derry got their act together he should have won a few more All Irelands. in that '92 league final Ciaran Corr had a great day at MF for Tyrone but poor Plunkett messed it all up at the end when he dropped the 45 into the net.
I can recall Brolly's interview afterwards saying something like
"They beat us at the back and at MF and up front all day long and we still won"
I like his honesty and humility compared to Brolly & ye very rarely saw him do anything untoward.
Can ye remember Tohill's tips on at the end of every show on UTV or was it BBC? It was a bit cringeworthy. Didn't Canavan have something similar?
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 22, 2013, 12:17:45 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on February 21, 2013, 04:22:10 PM
Cheers for that. You may wanna re-read your posts though!!
Oops. Was in a hurry and copied and pasted it straight from the TG4 website.
As a biased Tyrone man who went to school in Derry during the 90's, I probably didn't appreciate how good a player he was. There was tense rivalry between Tyrone & Derry for a number of years in the 90's where they seem to meet nearly every year. its amazing the teams have only ever met once in an Ulster final, back in 1957.
Tohill had a formidable partnership with McGilligan and had Derry got their act together he should have won a few more All Irelands. in that '92 league final Ciaran Corr had a great day at MF for Tyrone but poor Plunkett messed it all up at the end when he dropped the 45 into the net.
I can recall Brolly's interview afterwards saying something like
"They beat us at the back and at MF and up front all day long and we still won"
I like his honesty and humility compared to Brolly & ye very rarely saw him do anything untoward.
Can ye remember Tohill's tips on at the end of every show on UTV or was it BBC? It was a bit cringeworthy. Didn't Canavan have something similar?
St.Columb's College Fuzzman??
Yip the college
I went to the 95 Ulster semi with 2 Derry lads and another Tyrone lad in the car.
That was the we beat Derry with 13 men day and it was an enjoyable journey home.
Back then there was no Sam in Tyrone when we sang about London.
I remember going to the Tyrone matches in 95 and to be honest my main memory of around 95 and 96 was that it was like a battle between Canavan and Tohill. Tohill was the best midfielder I have seen, always liked him even though he played for the enemy.
I use to always laugh when these two use to come up against one another in mf............
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1480000/images/_1482423_pascalcanavan300.jpg) V (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1370000/images/_1373482_tohill300.jpg)
Pity they had this boy up front though.................
(http://www.teamtalkmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/40840084_1final.jpg)
Quote from: theticklemister on February 22, 2013, 03:27:16 PM
I use to always laugh when these two use to come up against one another in mf............
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1480000/images/_1482423_pascalcanavan300.jpg) V (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1370000/images/_1373482_tohill300.jpg)
Pity they had this boy up front though.................
(http://www.teamtalkmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/40840084_1final.jpg)
Tyrone didn't win anything of note until after Tohill retired. Coincidence?
Quote from: All of a Sludden on February 22, 2013, 03:56:03 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on February 22, 2013, 03:27:16 PM
I use to always laugh when these two use to come up against one another in mf............
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1480000/images/_1482423_pascalcanavan300.jpg) V (http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1370000/images/_1373482_tohill300.jpg)
Pity they had this boy up front though.................
(http://www.teamtalkmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/40840084_1final.jpg)
Tyrone didn't win anything of note until after Tohill retired. Coincidence?
Or until Canavan was subbed
.............. And came back on!!
Open to correction here but iirc Derry C'ship semi final in 93 Tohill scored 11 pts when Swatragh beat Dungiven 12 - 11, He was some player in his pomp. Ironically tho i also thought the only player i ever saw get the better of him was Cormac McAnnalen. Although he was prob in the latter stages of his career then.
Quote from: leaveherinsir on February 22, 2013, 08:40:32 PM
Open to correction here but iirc Derry C'ship semi final in 93 Tohill scored 11 pts when Swatragh beat Dungiven 12 - 11, He was some player in his pomp. Ironically tho i also thought the only player i ever saw get the better of him was Cormac McAnnalen. Although he was prob in the latter stages of his career then.
I don't have my records in front of me as i'm living in england these days; but i'm sure someone can answer this from derry. I can't mind McAnallen getting the better of him but your probably correct.
Tohill was the best footballer ever I saw. A mountain of a man who had the deft touch of a forward. He came on the scene when I started to follow football as a wain, but still no footballer has bettered him since even though when yer that young you think there will be loads of great footballers in years ahead.
Offaly's James Grennan handled him in the Div 1 League Final in 1998. After the Leinster in 1997, we thought it was the dawn of a new era. Unfortunately it wasn't.
Tohill was roasted by Jody Gormley in 1995 and 1996. He was the finest midfielder up to that and after those games in Ireland but Gormley had an indian sign. I also felt he was better than O Se but being from Derry didnt get the same chances to show it.
Quote from: leaveherinsir on February 22, 2013, 08:40:32 PM
Open to correction here but iirc Derry C'ship semi final in 93 Tohill scored 11 pts when Swatragh beat Dungiven 12 - 11, He was some player in his pomp. Ironically tho i also thought the only player i ever saw get the better of him was Cormac McAnnalen. Although he was prob in the latter stages of his career then.
It was the quarter-final and he scored 0-11 out of 0-14 (Surs got 1-10); he played full-forward that day. We beat the Watties in the semi-final; he got 1-7 out of 1-11. He got 2-8 out of 2-9 against Bellaghy in the league the same year.
Tohill, mcdermott and o'se are the best 3 midfielders, by a long way, i've ever seen.
He didn't dominate those games where gormley marked him - very different from getting a roasting.
Should have had more than one all ireland. You wonder what might have been had he not went of injured half time 92 against donegal.
Tohill's the best midfielder in my time. And that includes Harry McClure.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 22, 2013, 11:12:38 PM
Tohill, mcdermott and o'se are the best 3 midfielders, by a long way, i've ever seen.
He didn't dominate those games where gormley marked him - very different from getting a roasting.
Should have had more than one all ireland. You wonder what might have been had he not went of injured half time 92
against donegal.
Yes I suppose we big up Gormley the "animal from Trillick" since those games. I dont think Derry will ever recover from that era of underachievement. They had some of the best backs to play the game and midfielders, now when it came to attack they lacked a little, but whilst they did t have the football in them of a Tyrone team say 2003 - 2008 they had enough to win a second all ireland. The county didnt support them and by that I mean everybody pulled away after the win and bitched and rowed like no county has done till Cork hurlers over the last few years - the county board, the backroom management, the hatred between top clubs, the won't plays, even the wags and the supporters pulled out as well. It was sad for Derry football but then we must remember that when Tyrone played Dublin in 95 there were rumours of pubs in Derry bedecked in Dublin colours, in a sad way they didnt return the support that they picked up in 93 as they won their sam. The net result was a county that had been respected by all becoming disliked by even themselves and for the last 10 years (as I heard one pub commentator liken to a plop in a pond) has just done nothing but bob around without ever really threatening to sink, break up or wash downstream but indeed never really looking like rising to the surface either. Hopefully the next 10 will change all that for Derry football - they need to count for the craic.
The legend that is Jody Gormley.He played very well on Tohill in both 95 and 96 and popped up with the winning point in the famous 95 game.
Tohill was a fantastic footballer,he had all the skills.Strong as a horse,great fielder of a ball and an excellent free taker.One All Ireland senior title was scant reward for such a player though I would rather he had none ;)
Gormley didn't roast him but played him like a defender not a midfielder, outside of marking Tohill what else did he do that day that a midfielder normally does? Its like marking O`Se reducing his impact without really doing anything for yourself
Against Dungiven that day, was the best game i had seen him play Swatragh. Dont think he missed a free all day, the stand out of the day though was McGilligan shouldering McCullough into the sperrins halfway through the game. Great shoulder between 2 big men.
Tohill was the best player never mind midfielder) i've ever seen. An absolute colossus.
What a fielder of a ball. Awesome.
There was an aura about him that he was super-human. Was lucky enough to watch him many times in the flesh, never saw him have a bad game
Just watched the Anthony Tohill show. What a magnificent player he was. He had everything. They don't make them like him anymore.
Here's the list of the players to be profiled in this series of Laochra Gael.
Eddie Brennan
Anthony Tohill
Damian Fitzhenry
Seamus Moynihan
Gerald McCarthy
Jarlath Fallon
Paul Flynn
Glenn Ryan
Conor Hayes
Juliet Murphy
Damian Fitzhenry's show just finished, what a keeper, 20 years he stood in goal for Wexford and I don't think he had a bad match, 4 times a better keeper than the other Fitz
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2013, 08:32:45 PM
Damian Fitzhenry's show just finished, what a keeper, 20 years he stood in goal for Wexford and I don't think he had a bad match, 4 times a better keeper than the other Fitz
A personal hero of mine.He kept that poor Wexford team in so many matches throughout the years.
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Quote from: leaveherinsir on February 22, 2013, 08:40:32 PM
Open to correction here but iirc Derry C'ship semi final in 93 Tohill scored 11 pts when Swatragh beat Dungiven 12 - 11, He was some player in his pomp. Ironically tho i also thought the only player i ever saw get the better of him was Cormac McAnnalen. Although he was prob in the latter stages of his career then.
It was the quarter-final and he scored 0-11 out of 0-14 (Surs got 1-10); he played full-forward that day. We beat the Watties in the semi-final; he got 1-7 out of 1-11. He got 2-8 out of 2-9 against Bellaghy in the league the same year.
A bit underwhelming. Did he ever get all the scores?
He might have got the lot for us when Bellaghy beat us 2-15 to 0-1 in the 98ish championship semi-final.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 28, 2013, 08:32:45 PM
Damian Fitzhenry's show just finished, what a keeper, 20 years he stood in goal for Wexford and I don't think he had a bad match, 4 times a better keeper than the other Fitz
Great show. Great player and a great goal-scorer as well as keeper!
Repeated this Sunday, 17.55. Must record it.
watching Seamus Moynihan there, best defender i seen in my time edging out Tomas O`Se, Stephen O`Brien and Paul Curran. Probably should have won more in all honestly. kerry in the 2 O`Se and Moynihan have probably produced 3 players who be on the best team of the past 30yrs.
And another thing, he didnt have to mouth off to the opposition even when he was well on top of them, its a pity the players of the day wouldn't learned a thing or 2 from him, he let his football do the talking.
Moynihan is a legend among legends.
He didn't like the manufactured footballers.
The pony was a strong one alright. i loved his ability to read the play like say gavin dvlin. in 200 he gave Pauric Joyce some trimming. I went from outright admiration to almost feeling sorry for him when he wasn't fine. He really got some fierce roastings in his later years. It was cruelty. One of my favourites.
Quote from: rrhf on March 08, 2013, 12:11:49 AM
The pony was a strong one alright. i loved his ability to read the play like say gavin dvlin. in 200 he gave Pauric Joyce some trimming. I went from outright admiration to almost feeling sorry for him when he wasn't fine. He really got some fierce roastings in his later years. It was cruelty. One of my favourites.
Give us that in English in the morning rrhf ;)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 07, 2013, 08:25:19 PM
watching Seamus Moynihan there, best defender i seen in my time edging out Tomas O`Se, Stephen O`Brien and Paul Curran. Probably should have won more in all honestly. kerry in the 2 O`Se and Moynihan have probably produced 3 players who be on the best team of the past 30yrs.
Moynihan and T. O Sé among the best ever I saw. Which other O Sé are you including there? Marc or Dara?
Good players that they were, including likes of Curran and O Brien in that company is not ...........
Mark, i was only looking at the back 6 of the past 30yrs, throw in Darren Fay at fullback and Martin O`Connell at 7 and my defence is coming along nicely lol
I rate O`Brien and Curran highly, Curran was the best no.5 to Tomas O`Se came along and is the best player dublin had in the past 20yrs, O`Brien at the end was a pale shadow but he played in 4 all Ireland (possible 5 not sure if he was 18 in the 87 or 88) and in the early days was one of the best
Is it just me that things the production standards in the latest series are a way down from other series? A lot of poor editing and mistakes in the shows I've seen so far. Being picky, and it is TG4 I guess.
The Pony and Tohill are 2 of my all time favourites anyway, fantastic players the both of them. I think Moynihan winning an allstar and POTY (and lifting Sam!)at fullback in 2000 was a remarkable achievement considering he had nevr played there before...of course ultimately PO left him there too long and he was exposed by better full forwards, but at least he bowed out on a high. Was still dominating club games down here up to last year from midfield.
Quote from: rrhf on March 08, 2013, 12:11:49 AM
The pony was a strong one alright. i loved his ability to read the play like say gavin dvlin. in 200 he gave Pauric Joyce some trimming. I went from outright admiration to almost feeling sorry for him when he wasn't fine. He really got some fierce roastings in his later years. It was cruelty. One of my favourites.
No need to feel sorry for him he was/is one of the greatest.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 08, 2013, 08:57:51 PM
Is it just me that things the production standards in the latest series are a way down from other series? A lot of poor editing and mistakes in the shows I've seen so far. Being picky, and it is TG4 I guess.
The Pony and Tohill are 2 of my all time favourites anyway, fantastic players the both of them. I think Moynihan winning an allstar and POTY (and lifting Sam!)at fullback in 2000 was a remarkable achievement considering he had nevr played there before...of course ultimately PO left him there too long and he was exposed by better full forwards, but at least he bowed out on a high. Was still dominating club games down here up to last year from midfield.
It is far too rushed, always has been, trying to fit a players career highlights into the guts of twenty minutes. A bit less of the same talking heads would help too, always saying the same oul crap, "he was a great player".
Seamus Moynihan would be a particular favourite of mine. ::)
Ja Fallon next. I wonder would his "jink" work on defenses today?
The bould Ja is on at 8.
Always liked Ja Fallon, had a great leap from a standing position, plus a jinky side step too.
Ja's the man!
Glenn Ryan on tonight
Great player.
taped it but yet to seen it. Was lucky enough to see Ryan playing back when Kildare were starting to take off back in 92-93 against Dublin. Great talent, Kildare missed the boat in 98 which i was at too, with a good team but took Galway for granted. I think very few papers favored galway on the day. Probably go down as another great player never to win an all-Ireland. I would say Davy Dalton was a better defender though, and Niall Buckley and lynch were 2 other very good players who didn't for fill the talent they had.
Cora on now. She may be a Rhu but it's hard not to like her.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 05, 2013, 09:34:42 PM
taped it but yet to seen it. Was lucky enough to see Ryan playing back when Kildare were starting to take off back in 92-93 against Dublin. Great talent, Kildare missed the boat in 98 which i was at too, with a good team but took Galway for granted. I think very few papers favored galway on the day. Probably go down as another great player never to win an all-Ireland. I would say Davy Dalton was a better defender though, and Niall Buckley and lynch were 2 other very good players who didn't for fill the talent they had.
Ronan Quinn was injured as well
Probably the best chance they had to win Sam
Quote from: Syferus on February 23, 2014, 05:41:00 PM
Cora on now. She may be a Rhu but it's hard not to like her.
That was a rough decision in the 2001 all Ireland final when it was a draw and time up and the ref gave a free in for the ball not going 13m.
Bad way to lose a match.
Anyone else watch it last night?
It was on Larry Tompkins, a very enjoyable episode.
I always find him a very underrated player, can't think of anyone who could kick a dead ball longer.
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Anyone else watch it last night?
It was on Larry Tompkins, a very enjoyable episode.
I always find him a very underrated player, can't think of anyone who could kick a dead ball longer.
Hard to believe he ruptured a cruciate in an AIF and played on!
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Anyone else watch it last night?
It was on Larry Tompkins, a very enjoyable episode.
I always find him a very underrated player, can't think of anyone who could kick a dead ball longer.
Hard to believe he ruptured a cruciate in an AIF and played on!
Hard to believe Kildare wouldn't pay his air fare back to the states.
Saw this, and it did remind me how good he was. Pity it didn't work out for him as manager, but then again that would mean Cork would win something so maybe no harm :)
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 03, 2014, 08:39:01 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on March 03, 2014, 08:35:02 PM
Anyone else watch it last night?
It was on Larry Tompkins, a very enjoyable episode.
I always find him a very underrated player, can't think of anyone who could kick a dead ball longer.
Hard to believe he ruptured a cruciate in an AIF and played on!
And he played with a pulled hamstring the year before. Is it stupidity or something to admire him for? Probably both.
I knew Larry in NYC. He was the hardest working player I ever met, always training no matter the conditions. He trained as he played, giving 100% all the time. He was rightly pissed off at Aldridge when he returned from that game. Donegal NY at that time had a load of Castlehaven boys playing with them, thats how he ended up with Cork. Pauric Dunne the Offaly midfielder played on the same Donegal team in New York. The picture of Spillane in NYC was taken in 1984, he played under my name that day, I was gone back home to college after the summer....very few rules were followed back then in Gaelic Park. There was no airs and graces with Larry, as down to earth as they come, I was delighted for him when he won his All-Ireland even if one of them was against Mayo.
Quote from: FL/MAYO on March 05, 2014, 05:46:06 PM
I knew Larry in NYC. He was the hardest working player I ever met, always training no matter the conditions. He trained as he played, giving 100% all the time. He was rightly pissed off at Aldridge when he returned from that game. Donegal NY at that time had a load of Castlehaven boys playing with them, thats how he ended up with Cork. Pauric Dunne the Offaly midfielder played on the same Donegal team in New York. The picture of Spillane in NYC was taken in 1984, he played under my name that day, I was gone back home to college after the summer....very few rules were followed back then in Gaelic Park. There was no airs and graces with Larry, as down to earth as they come, I was delighted for him when he won his All-Ireland even if one of them was against Mayo.
Still did a Seanie, though.
things must been a bit slack alright if the no.12 running rings round you was a multi all-ireland winner called Pat and his name wasmt popping up on the team sheet
Watching Laochra gael on larry tompkins there, G the way Kildare treated him over that plane ticket was brutal, one of the great no.11
Great spake there on Laochra Gael (Eddie and Willie O'Connor). In the dressing room before the 2000 final (when he ended up playing the second half with a broken rib) Willie said, "I won't die for Kilkenny; today I'm going to kill for Kilkenny."
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Great spake there on Laochra Gael (Eddie and Willie O'Connor). In the dressing room before the 2000 final (when he ended up playing the second half with a broken rib) Willie said, "I won't die for Kilkenny; today I'm going to kill for Kilkenny."
Great show. Two tough lads.
Did anyone watch the show last night with Ryan McMenamin?
I was surprised how well Oisin spoke about him and said you'd love to have a player like that on your team.
Did we ever find out what happend Gooch's eye in that 2005 final? :o
Yes it was last seen bouncing down Jones Road.
The one with Kevin Cassidy last night was very good.
Seems a very strong character and great insight into his love for GD football
I hadn't realised that McGuinness offered him a place back on the panel early 2012, before the all Ireland win.
How awkward was that TG4 interview at whatever match when Cassidy was a pundit and McGuinness was the manager being interviewed right beside him.
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The one with Kevin Cassidy last night was very good.
Seems a very strong character and great insight into his love for GD football
I hadn't realised that McGuinness offered him a place back on the panel early 2012, before the all Ireland win.
Was excellent, they have really upped the series in the last few years. Credit to TG4.
Already up on the TG4 player to watch for anyone who missed - well worth it.
Oisin McConville gets a bit of a touch about his accent, but I find his insight excellent. He'll be a county manager soon.
Can also recommend the Aisling Thompson and Kieran Donaghy ones there too.
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Quote from: tyroneman on January 08, 2021, 04:25:27 PM
The one with Kevin Cassidy last night was very good.
Seems a very strong character and great insight into his love for GD football
I hadn't realised that McGuinness offered him a place back on the panel early 2012, before the all Ireland win.
Was excellent, they have really upped the series in the last few years. Credit to TG4.
I think making the show a full hour has improved it greatly. The older 30 minute episodes really skimmed over so much in a players career.
I was surprised Cassidy was in there at all tbh but he was an excellent player and the issues with his book and mcguinness probably swung it for him. Must get a look
Quote from: An Watcher on January 08, 2021, 06:44:11 PM
I was surprised Cassidy was in there at all tbh but he was an excellent player and the issues with his book and mcguinness probably swung it for him. Must get a look
Double all-star winner, multiple Ulster titles, National League and would have been on the AI winning side. He's an intriguing character and one I've a lot of time for.
Cassidy is one of the good guys.
Quote from: Angelo on January 08, 2021, 07:18:46 PM
Cassidy is one of the good guys.
Agree
Dont think I've ever heard a negative comment about him and after last nights show cant see there being any now
Just watched the programme, excellent viewing. Fair play to him for not going back after mcguinness offered him his place back. Has no regrets either by the look of things. I take it back, worth his slot in there!!!
Kevin Cassidy. Watched it and it was brilliant. The 1hr makes all the difference.
Fear uasal, came across very well
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Quote from: tyroneman on January 08, 2021, 04:25:27 PM
The one with Kevin Cassidy last night was very good.
Seems a very strong character and great insight into his love for GD football
I hadn't realised that McGuinness offered him a place back on the panel early 2012, before the all Ireland win.
Was excellent, they have really upped the series in the last few years. Credit to TG4.
Already up on the TG4 player to watch for anyone who missed - well worth it.
Oisin McConville gets a bit of a touch about his accent, but I find his insight excellent. He'll be a county manager soon.
Can also recommend the Aisling Thompson and Kieran Donaghy ones there too.
There's a number two slot just opened up for him
Haven't watched Cassidy's yet. He writes a good column in GL. He was some great stories to tell. Surely a book is in the pipeline?
Bernard Flynn on tomorrow. Will be worth a look. Pity his body didn't hold up but he still won plenty and when he was on form he was exceptional. Childhood favorite of mine.
That said I think I've had my fill of Meath nostalgia after the last year. I need to see us win something new. Even division 2 would be nice.
This is a great show. The hour long version now, as someone said, makes it so much better. Really enjoyed both the Pete McGrath and Briege Corkery ones. (I think there was one before that I missed). Flynn's should be good too. The adverts seems to suggest he lost a lot of sleep over missing a very good goal chance against down in 91.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 15, 2021, 09:01:54 AM
This is a great show. The hour long version now, as someone said, makes it so much better. Really enjoyed both the Pete McGrath and Briege Corkery ones. (I think there was one before that I missed). Flynn's should be good too. The adverts seems to suggest he lost a lot of sleep over missing a very good goal chance against down in 91.
Yes it was good, like they all are
Flynns body is fucked, a culmination of all the tackles he received over the years
Tommy carr said though he was one of those forwards youd never tire of slapping
On again today at 5.30
Sean Cavanagh this week
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Sean Cavanagh this week
Will go out on a limb and say Sean will settle some scores in this.
Be interesting to see what he says on Mickey Harte.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 21, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
Be interesting to see what he says on Mickey Harte.
'Gee whiz I was a great footballer, shucks, I just couldn't believe how good I was'.
Couldn't sleep because he didn't score a goal in an all Ireland final?? Give me strength...not the sharpest knife in the drawer, sometimes you're best to just keep your mouth shut.
And the lucky nags...give me strength🙄
Molly cuddled and spoilt were the adjectives that sprung to mind.
Was a handy forward though. Could take a score and had a dummy that very few didn't fall for.
He didn't get his 4th All-Ireland in 2017 as shown on the programme so I thought there might have been more on him winning an All-Ireland with his club mates in Croke Park only 5 months after the Dublin defeat. All they showed was a clip from the Gaeltacht semi-final and nothing from the final in which I think he scored 0-5 and which would have been his last time playing in Croke Park.
Don't know what it is about the fella but I'll never look at him in the same way as a canavan, oneill or dooher.
Quote from: An Watcher on April 24, 2021, 01:27:37 PM
Don't know what it is about the fella but I'll never look at him in the same way as a canavan, oneill or dooher.
He was every bit an important footballer as any of those. One of the top 5 players in the country in terms of influence in the past 30 years, carried an ailing Tyrone teams on his back from 09-13. I did feel quite sorry for him in the early part of his career as he was definitely blackguarded and cynically targeted in the early. He was more than capable of minding his own corner at the end of his career and that's probably why he was so successful.
But he's a very hard person to warm to on a personal level I find, as much as someone can gauge from his TV and media stuff anyway. If he was chocolate he'd eat himself. I thought it was interesting that the only past Tyrone player who featured on the show was his brother. I get the feeling that he would not be too well regarded on a personal level by a lot of his his former teammates, Philly Jordan a former teammate who won 3 AIs with him gave him a very public dressing down a few years back about some of his quite petty comments on Harte.
No doubt Sean Cavanagh was a fine player Angelo but I think putting him in top 5 of the last 30 years is stretching it somewhat.
TBH he can't be far away. Definitely the main man for last six or eight years, shouldn't be too much debate about that.
Cue for someone to say he wasn't even the best in the Moy. All about personal opinions I suppose.
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 06:45:45 PM
No doubt Sean Cavanagh was a fine player Angelo but I think putting him in top 5 of the last 30 years is stretching it somewhat.
In terms of influence he has to be there.
5 all-stars, 1 FOTY and a key player on the 3 All Ireland's Tyrone won. Name me five more influential players in the past 30 years. He has to be up there.
Quote from: Angelo on April 24, 2021, 08:28:09 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 06:45:45 PM
No doubt Sean Cavanagh was a fine player Angelo but I think putting him in top 5 of the last 30 years is stretching it somewhat.
In terms of influence he has to be there.
5 all-stars, 1 FOTY and a key player on the 3 All Ireland's Tyrone won. Name me five more influential players in the past 30 years. He has to be up there.
That's fair enough and more people will probably agree with you than me (they might actually lol at some of my suggestions) but it is purely subjective. The only reason I'm saying is that it's a bit of stretch is the fact it's over the 30 years. If it was purely over the last 15-20 then aye fair enough no doubt he's in the argument.
In terms of what they have done for their respective teams I would go. In no particular order.
Cluxton
Canavan
Giles
Tomas O'Se
Michael Murphy
Brian Fenton
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: Angelo on April 24, 2021, 08:28:09 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 06:45:45 PM
No doubt Sean Cavanagh was a fine player Angelo but I think putting him in top 5 of the last 30 years is stretching it somewhat.
In terms of influence he has to be there.
5 all-stars, 1 FOTY and a key player on the 3 All Ireland's Tyrone won. Name me five more influential players in the past 30 years. He has to be up there.
That's fair enough and more people will probably agree with you than me (they might actually lol at some of my suggestions) but it is purely subjective. The only reason I'm saying is that it's a bit of stretch is the fact it's over the 30 years. If it was purely over the last 15-20 then aye fair enough no doubt he's in the argument.
In terms of what they have done for their respective teams I would go. In no particular order.
Cluxton
Canavan
Giles
Tomas O'Se
Michael Murphy
Brian Fenton
I'd only put Canavan and Murphy as more important to their teams than Cavanagh was to Tyrone there.
O'Se, Fenton and Cluxton were all great players in their own right but Kerry and Dublin would have won their All Irelands they did without them - certainly from 13-21 in Dublin's case.
Giles was a key component in a very good Meath team but I think Cavanagh was a better footballer than him and achieved more.
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: Angelo on April 24, 2021, 08:28:09 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 06:45:45 PM
No doubt Sean Cavanagh was a fine player Angelo but I think putting him in top 5 of the last 30 years is stretching it somewhat.
In terms of influence he has to be there.
5 all-stars, 1 FOTY and a key player on the 3 All Ireland's Tyrone won. Name me five more influential players in the past 30 years. He has to be up there.
That's fair enough and more people will probably agree with you than me (they might actually lol at some of my suggestions) but it is purely subjective. The only reason I'm saying is that it's a bit of stretch is the fact it's over the 30 years. If it was purely over the last 15-20 then aye fair enough no doubt he's in the argument.
In terms of what they have done for their respective teams I would go. In no particular order.
Cluxton
Canavan
Giles
Tomas O'Se
Michael Murphy
Brian Fenton
Can't disagree with most of that , Rich Ricci, but Tomás O'Sé?
Cavanagh was a top performer but compared to others, too much of his influence was due to the less attractive side of the game: cynical fouling , diving, pressurising referees. I would say that His working for rte and comments about Harte lost him a lot of respect in Tyrone and elsewhere . For me O'Neill, and especially Canavan were significantly better, with Canavan in the frame for being the best player of all time ( and I'm not even a Tyrone man.)
Quote from: 6th sam on April 24, 2021, 10:07:03 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: Angelo on April 24, 2021, 08:28:09 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 06:45:45 PM
No doubt Sean Cavanagh was a fine player Angelo but I think putting him in top 5 of the last 30 years is stretching it somewhat.
In terms of influence he has to be there.
5 all-stars, 1 FOTY and a key player on the 3 All Ireland's Tyrone won. Name me five more influential players in the past 30 years. He has to be up there.
That's fair enough and more people will probably agree with you than me (they might actually lol at some of my suggestions) but it is purely subjective. The only reason I'm saying is that it's a bit of stretch is the fact it's over the 30 years. If it was purely over the last 15-20 then aye fair enough no doubt he's in the argument.
In terms of what they have done for their respective teams I would go. In no particular order.
Cluxton
Canavan
Giles
Tomas O'Se
Michael Murphy
Brian Fenton
Can't disagree with most of that , Rich Ricci, but Tomás O'Sé?
Cavanagh was a top performer but compared to others, too much of his influence was due to the less attractive side of the game: cynical fouling , diving, pressurising referees. I would say that His working for rte and comments about Harte lost him a lot of respect in Tyrone and elsewhere . For me O'Neill, and especially Canavan were significantly better, with Canavan in the frame for being the best player of all time ( and I'm not even a Tyrone man.)
O'Neill was a tremendous footballer but was nowhere near the influential footballer Cavanagh was for Tyrone
Think that's a very fair depiction of Cavanagh, a lot of the classic games were shown over the past year with lockdowns and plenty of them from that Tyrone team. What was very evident is that Cavanagh was consistently and deliberately targeted by the opposition with late hits, pulling and dragging, off the ball stuff over the years. He had an incredible engine and nobody in his era could match his running power and scoring ability from the middle of the pitch.
I can fully understand why he was an unlikeable figure but I think if people look back at the early Cavanagh years he got very little protection from referees and maybe that says a lot in how he behaved toward the end of his career.
Awk I don't maybe it's a slight bias because he's one of my favourite players over the years but has any half back been as dominant in the position as he has been over the years? Keegan, McCaffrey, Lacey and McGeeney maybe but for me he was in the best in the last 20 years.
5 All-Ireland's, 5 All stars and a POTY award. 3-35 or thereabouts isn't bad going for a half back. Pound for pound I dont think there's many players who have achieved as much or performed as well in their position as he has in his.
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 10:36:28 PM
Awk I don't maybe it's a slight bias because he's one of my favourite players over the years but has any half back been as dominant in the position as he has been over the years? Keegan, McCaffrey, Lacey and McGeeney maybe but for me he was in the best in the last 20 years.
5 All-Ireland's, 5 All stars and a POTY award. 3-35 or thereabouts isn't bad going for a half back. Pound for pound I dont think there's many players who have achieved as much or performed as well in their position as he has in his.
The problem for Kerry is that those 5 All Irelands that were won were
2 against ordinary enough Mayo teams
2 against a very big and athletic Cork team who stumbled over the line v Down in 2011.
When it came to the big battles against Armagh, Tyrone, Dublin, Donegal they struggled to come out on top. Kerry's most impressive wins in the past 20 years for me would be Armagh in 06 (I think?) and Donegal in 2014.
By virtue of the construct of the Championship, Kerry were parachuted into the business end of the Championship every August. They didn't have to be throwing lads carrying niggles out for crunch games back in May like Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal had to.
Pre-Dublin dominance era the back door was a trail of banana skins. The only time Kerry had to come through the early stages of the back door was when they won it in 09 but they had some iffy enough performances along the line. Stumbled past Longford and Antrim and Sligo really should have put them out below in Kerry when they missed a late penalty with minutes left.
Tyrone had a number of scares through the backdoor. They were in serious bother against Westmeath in 08 before Westmeath imploded and had 2 players sent off in the second half. Mayo know full well on how dangerous the qualifier path can be in recent years. Cork, Derry, Fermanagh and Armagh all nearly had them out and Kildare managed it. I think they have bore the cost of that with the injuries they absorbed in recent years.
That's something Kerry historically have not really had to concern themselves with.
If cavanagh had conducted himself the way canavan has and basically kept his mouth shut to the media about former teammates and managers and not being all about me me me he could be talked about in the same breath about being a legend
Quote from: Angelo on April 24, 2021, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 10:36:28 PM
Awk I don't maybe it's a slight bias because he's one of my favourite players over the years but has any half back been as dominant in the position as he has been over the years? Keegan, McCaffrey, Lacey and McGeeney maybe but for me he was in the best in the last 20 years.
5 All-Ireland's, 5 All stars and a POTY award. 3-35 or thereabouts isn't bad going for a half back. Pound for pound I dont think there's many players who have achieved as much or performed as well in their position as he has in his.
The problem for Kerry is that those 5 All Irelands that were won were
2 against ordinary enough Mayo teams
2 against a very big and athletic Cork team who stumbled over the line v Down in 2011.
When it came to the big battles against Armagh, Tyrone, Dublin, Donegal they struggled to come out on top. Kerry's most impressive wins in the past 20 years for me would be Armagh in 06 (I think?) and Donegal in 2014.
By virtue of the construct of the Championship, Kerry were parachuted into the business end of the Championship every August. They didn't have to be throwing lads carrying niggles out for crunch games back in May like Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal had to.
Pre-Dublin dominance era the back door was a trail of banana skins. The only time Kerry had to come through the early stages of the back door was when they won it in 09 but they had some iffy enough performances along the line. Stumbled past Longford and Antrim and Sligo really should have put them out below in Kerry when they missed a late penalty with minutes left.
Tyrone had a number of scares through the backdoor. They were in serious bother against Westmeath in 08 before Westmeath imploded and had 2 players sent off in the second half. Mayo know full well on how dangerous the qualifier path can be in recent years. Cork, Derry, Fermanagh and Armagh all nearly had them out and Kildare managed it. I think they have bore the cost of that with the injuries they absorbed in recent years.
That's something Kerry historically have not really had to concern themselves with.
Not going through the back door is the best way and usually the best teams come through the front door.
Kerry are not at fault of Cork and the other Munster teams don't perform.
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 25, 2021, 12:52:42 AM
If cavanagh had conducted himself the way canavan has and basically kept his mouth shut to the media about former teammates and managers and not being all about me me me he could be talked about in the same breath about being a legend
No matter what you may think of Mickey Harte and his war on RTE. Cavanagh going on RTE the same week he retired said it all about him.
To me that Kerry side was a very good side littered with quality players throughout. The likes of the 3 O'Se's, Paul Galvin, Declan O'Sullivan, Cooper and prime Donaghy were exceptional players at the time. In the period 03-09 they won 4 All Ireland's and were beat in 2 finals. Remarkable consistency. Fair enough the defeats to Tyrone is a slight on their overall greatness but I think it's unfair to say they only beat poor teams.
The likes of Joyce Fallon and donnelan very influential too. Tohill as well. Probably a few more Meath boys.
Quote from: Angelo on April 24, 2021, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 10:36:28 PM
Awk I don't maybe it's a slight bias because he's one of my favourite players over the years but has any half back been as dominant in the position as he has been over the years? Keegan, McCaffrey, Lacey and McGeeney maybe but for me he was in the best in the last 20 years.
5 All-Ireland's, 5 All stars and a POTY award. 3-35 or thereabouts isn't bad going for a half back. Pound for pound I dont think there's many players who have achieved as much or performed as well in their position as he has in his.
The problem for Kerry is that those 5 All Irelands that were won were
2 against ordinary enough Mayo teams
2 against a very big and athletic Cork team who stumbled over the line v Down in 2011.
When it came to the big battles against Armagh, Tyrone, Dublin, Donegal they struggled to come out on top. Kerry's most impressive wins in the past 20 years for me would be Armagh in 06 (I think?) and Donegal in 2014.
By virtue of the construct of the Championship, Kerry were parachuted into the business end of the Championship every August. They didn't have to be throwing lads carrying niggles out for crunch games back in May like Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal had to.
Pre-Dublin dominance era the back door was a trail of banana skins. The only time Kerry had to come through the early stages of the back door was when they won it in 09 but they had some iffy enough performances along the line. Stumbled past Longford and Antrim and Sligo really should have put them out below in Kerry when they missed a late penalty with minutes left.
Tyrone had a number of scares through the backdoor. They were in serious bother against Westmeath in 08 before Westmeath imploded and had 2 players sent off in the second half. Mayo know full well on how dangerous the qualifier path can be in recent years. Cork, Derry, Fermanagh and Armagh all nearly had them out and Kildare managed it. I think they have bore the cost of that with the injuries they absorbed in recent years.
That's something Kerry historically have not really had to concern themselves with.
A Great synopsis Angelo, the advantages the AI system conveys on Kerry amongst others has been a big factor in their success and their winning tradition
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2021, 09:11:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 24, 2021, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 10:36:28 PM
Awk I don't maybe it's a slight bias because he's one of my favourite players over the years but has any half back been as dominant in the position as he has been over the years? Keegan, McCaffrey, Lacey and McGeeney maybe but for me he was in the best in the last 20 years.
5 All-Ireland's, 5 All stars and a POTY award. 3-35 or thereabouts isn't bad going for a half back. Pound for pound I dont think there's many players who have achieved as much or performed as well in their position as he has in his.
The problem for Kerry is that those 5 All Irelands that were won were
2 against ordinary enough Mayo teams
2 against a very big and athletic Cork team who stumbled over the line v Down in 2011.
When it came to the big battles against Armagh, Tyrone, Dublin, Donegal they struggled to come out on top. Kerry's most impressive wins in the past 20 years for me would be Armagh in 06 (I think?) and Donegal in 2014.
By virtue of the construct of the Championship, Kerry were parachuted into the business end of the Championship every August. They didn't have to be throwing lads carrying niggles out for crunch games back in May like Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal had to.
Pre-Dublin dominance era the back door was a trail of banana skins. The only time Kerry had to come through the early stages of the back door was when they won it in 09 but they had some iffy enough performances along the line. Stumbled past Longford and Antrim and Sligo really should have put them out below in Kerry when they missed a late penalty with minutes left.
Tyrone had a number of scares through the backdoor. They were in serious bother against Westmeath in 08 before Westmeath imploded and had 2 players sent off in the second half. Mayo know full well on how dangerous the qualifier path can be in recent years. Cork, Derry, Fermanagh and Armagh all nearly had them out and Kildare managed it. I think they have bore the cost of that with the injuries they absorbed in recent years.
That's something Kerry historically have not really had to concern themselves with.
Not going through the back door is the best way and usually the best teams come through the front door.
Kerry are not at fault of Cork and the other Munster teams don't perform.
The system is not Kerry's fault, but it does confer advantage on them. Clare ?1992 and Tipp 2020 have been the only exceptions to Kerry/Cork dominance in probably 70+ years. In that time the ulster title has been shared by 8 counties , Fermanagh being the only exception and they've made it AI closing stages on a couple of occasions . I don't think we should get rid of provincials as they are ready-made local stadium fillers, but They shouldn't confer such an advantage into latter stages of AI. NFL status should also be taken into account to breath life into that competition and reward performance in an unbiased competition. Hurling has also shown that strict provincial restrictions need not necessarily apply eg Galway in Leinster
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 25, 2021, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 25, 2021, 12:52:42 AM
If cavanagh had conducted himself the way canavan has and basically kept his mouth shut to the media about former teammates and managers and not being all about me me me he could be talked about in the same breath about being a legend
No matter what you may think of Mickey Harte and his war on RTE. Cavanagh going on RTE the same week he retired said it all about him.
What did Cavanagh say about Harte? Must have missed that.
He didn't say anything, bar mentioning the thing in the book about the pressure getting to him.
For a man managed him for his whole career it was a bit strange.
Cavanagh said that Harte came to his house and aplozised. Said it was the ghost writer that slipped it in to the book. Cavanagh left it at that as he seen the bigger picture.
Don't know how yous missed that bit.
"Don't blame me blame the ghost writer," which , if true , is a big an insult to any man's intelligence as I've ever heard .....
I was expecting a lot more about Harte but there wasn't much. I thought cavanagh was maybe the kind of person who would use something like this show to get some airtime for his grievances but was pleasantly surprised to see he didn't really.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2021, 09:11:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 24, 2021, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 10:36:28 PM
Awk I don't maybe it's a slight bias because he's one of my favourite players over the years but has any half back been as dominant in the position as he has been over the years? Keegan, McCaffrey, Lacey and McGeeney maybe but for me he was in the best in the last 20 years.
5 All-Ireland's, 5 All stars and a POTY award. 3-35 or thereabouts isn't bad going for a half back. Pound for pound I dont think there's many players who have achieved as much or performed as well in their position as he has in his.
The problem for Kerry is that those 5 All Irelands that were won were
2 against ordinary enough Mayo teams
2 against a very big and athletic Cork team who stumbled over the line v Down in 2011.
When it came to the big battles against Armagh, Tyrone, Dublin, Donegal they struggled to come out on top. Kerry's most impressive wins in the past 20 years for me would be Armagh in 06 (I think?) and Donegal in 2014.
By virtue of the construct of the Championship, Kerry were parachuted into the business end of the Championship every August. They didn't have to be throwing lads carrying niggles out for crunch games back in May like Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal had to.
Pre-Dublin dominance era the back door was a trail of banana skins. The only time Kerry had to come through the early stages of the back door was when they won it in 09 but they had some iffy enough performances along the line. Stumbled past Longford and Antrim and Sligo really should have put them out below in Kerry when they missed a late penalty with minutes left.
Tyrone had a number of scares through the backdoor. They were in serious bother against Westmeath in 08 before Westmeath imploded and had 2 players sent off in the second half. Mayo know full well on how dangerous the qualifier path can be in recent years. Cork, Derry, Fermanagh and Armagh all nearly had them out and Kildare managed it. I think they have bore the cost of that with the injuries they absorbed in recent years.
That's something Kerry historically have not really had to concern themselves with.
Not going through the back door is the best way and usually the best teams come through the front door.
Kerry are not at fault of Cork and the other Munster teams don't perform.
But Kerry do benefit from it and have benefitted from it. Year on year they have had the luxury of a safe passage through to the last 8 by virtue of the imbalanced provincial structure.
Big lads back
Quote from: Angelo on April 25, 2021, 12:53:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2021, 09:11:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 24, 2021, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 10:36:28 PM
Awk I don't maybe it's a slight bias because he's one of my favourite players over the years but has any half back been as dominant in the position as he has been over the years? Keegan, McCaffrey, Lacey and McGeeney maybe but for me he was in the best in the last 20 years.
5 All-Ireland's, 5 All stars and a POTY award. 3-35 or thereabouts isn't bad going for a half back. Pound for pound I dont think there's many players who have achieved as much or performed as well in their position as he has in his.
The problem for Kerry is that those 5 All Irelands that were won were
2 against ordinary enough Mayo teams
2 against a very big and athletic Cork team who stumbled over the line v Down in 2011.
When it came to the big battles against Armagh, Tyrone, Dublin, Donegal they struggled to come out on top. Kerry's most impressive wins in the past 20 years for me would be Armagh in 06 (I think?) and Donegal in 2014.
By virtue of the construct of the Championship, Kerry were parachuted into the business end of the Championship every August. They didn't have to be throwing lads carrying niggles out for crunch games back in May like Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal had to.
Pre-Dublin dominance era the back door was a trail of banana skins. The only time Kerry had to come through the early stages of the back door was when they won it in 09 but they had some iffy enough performances along the line. Stumbled past Longford and Antrim and Sligo really should have put them out below in Kerry when they missed a late penalty with minutes left.
Tyrone had a number of scares through the backdoor. They were in serious bother against Westmeath in 08 before Westmeath imploded and had 2 players sent off in the second half. Mayo know full well on how dangerous the qualifier path can be in recent years. Cork, Derry, Fermanagh and Armagh all nearly had them out and Kildare managed it. I think they have bore the cost of that with the injuries they absorbed in recent years.
That's something Kerry historically have not really had to concern themselves with.
Not going through the back door is the best way and usually the best teams come through the front door.
Kerry are not at fault of Cork and the other Munster teams don't perform.
But Kerry do benefit from it and have benefitted from it. Year on year they have had the luxury of a safe passage through to the last 8 by virtue of the imbalanced provincial structure.
It's the systems fault not Kerry's, it's Clare's, Waterford, Tipp, Cork and Limerick fault for concentrating on a better sport.
Take away the provincial tournaments and Kerry will still beat Ulster teams 9 outta 10 times
Agreed , Nobody's blaming Kerry, it's the system.
What's your rational for your last statement , When all things are levelled up in the latter stages of the All-ireland Kerry have never beaten Down. Armagh Tyrone Donegal have all beaten them in championship football, and ulster teams often beat Kerry in NFL, yet you reckon Kerry will beat Ulster teams 9 out of 10?
Though they are unfair, there are very strong argument for maintaining the provincial championships and a link to the All-ireland series, but it's also possible to reward nfl performance ( more level playing field) in AI campaign .
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2021, 01:30:27 PM
Quote from: Angelo on April 25, 2021, 12:53:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2021, 09:11:43 AM
Quote from: Angelo on April 24, 2021, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on April 24, 2021, 10:36:28 PM
Awk I don't maybe it's a slight bias because he's one of my favourite players over the years but has any half back been as dominant in the position as he has been over the years? Keegan, McCaffrey, Lacey and McGeeney maybe but for me he was in the best in the last 20 years.
5 All-Ireland's, 5 All stars and a POTY award. 3-35 or thereabouts isn't bad going for a half back. Pound for pound I dont think there's many players who have achieved as much or performed as well in their position as he has in his.
The problem for Kerry is that those 5 All Irelands that were won were
2 against ordinary enough Mayo teams
2 against a very big and athletic Cork team who stumbled over the line v Down in 2011.
When it came to the big battles against Armagh, Tyrone, Dublin, Donegal they struggled to come out on top. Kerry's most impressive wins in the past 20 years for me would be Armagh in 06 (I think?) and Donegal in 2014.
By virtue of the construct of the Championship, Kerry were parachuted into the business end of the Championship every August. They didn't have to be throwing lads carrying niggles out for crunch games back in May like Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal had to.
Pre-Dublin dominance era the back door was a trail of banana skins. The only time Kerry had to come through the early stages of the back door was when they won it in 09 but they had some iffy enough performances along the line. Stumbled past Longford and Antrim and Sligo really should have put them out below in Kerry when they missed a late penalty with minutes left.
Tyrone had a number of scares through the backdoor. They were in serious bother against Westmeath in 08 before Westmeath imploded and had 2 players sent off in the second half. Mayo know full well on how dangerous the qualifier path can be in recent years. Cork, Derry, Fermanagh and Armagh all nearly had them out and Kildare managed it. I think they have bore the cost of that with the injuries they absorbed in recent years.
That's something Kerry historically have not really had to concern themselves with.
Not going through the back door is the best way and usually the best teams come through the front door.
Kerry are not at fault of Cork and the other Munster teams don't perform.
But Kerry do benefit from it and have benefitted from it. Year on year they have had the luxury of a safe passage through to the last 8 by virtue of the imbalanced provincial structure.
It's the systems fault not Kerry's, it's Clare's, Waterford, Tipp, Cork and Limerick fault for concentrating on a better sport.
Take away the provincial tournaments and Kerry will still beat Ulster teams 9 outta 10 times
I didn't say it was Kerry's fault, but the system did benefit them.
In the 02-12 alone Kerry lost knockout 6 championship games to Ulster teams 3 against Tyrone and one each against Down, Donegal and Armagh.
So with respect, you are talking out of your arse.
Quote from: 6th sam on April 25, 2021, 06:15:54 PM
Agreed , Nobody's blaming Kerry, it's the system.
What's your rational for your last statement , When all things are levelled up in the latter stages of the All-ireland Kerry have never beaten Down. Armagh Tyrone Donegal have all beaten them in championship football, and ulster teams often beat Kerry in NFL, yet you reckon Kerry will beat Ulster teams 9 out of 10?
Though they are unfair, there are very strong argument for maintaining the provincial championships and a link to the All-ireland series, but it's also possible to reward nfl performance ( more level playing field) in AI campaign .
This current Kerry team will beat Ulster teams 9 times out of ten. In my view. They (again my view) are the only team capable of beating Dublin at the minute.
The Sam Maguire should only be between the top two divisions, the rest need to either up their ante or play at a level that suits their standards. Hurling has shown the way for a while now. Time football caught up
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2021, 10:11:46 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on April 25, 2021, 06:15:54 PM
Agreed , Nobody's blaming Kerry, it's the system.
What's your rational for your last statement , When all things are levelled up in the latter stages of the All-ireland Kerry have never beaten Down. Armagh Tyrone Donegal have all beaten them in championship football, and ulster teams often beat Kerry in NFL, yet you reckon Kerry will beat Ulster teams 9 out of 10?
Though they are unfair, there are very strong argument for maintaining the provincial championships and a link to the All-ireland series, but it's also possible to reward nfl performance ( more level playing field) in AI campaign .
This current Kerry team will beat Ulster teams 9 times out of ten. In my view. They (again my view) are the only team capable of beating Dublin at the minute.
The Sam Maguire should only be between the top two divisions, the rest need to either up their ante or play at a level that suits their standards. Hurling has shown the way for a while now. Time football caught up
Aye but you're one of those Kerry fanboys from counties that don't feature at the business end of the season.
I don't think Kerry beat Tyrone or Donegal 9 times out of 10. I think they are all on a very similar level.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2021, 10:11:46 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on April 25, 2021, 06:15:54 PM
Agreed , Nobody's blaming Kerry, it's the system.
What's your rational for your last statement , When all things are levelled up in the latter stages of the All-ireland Kerry have never beaten Down. Armagh Tyrone Donegal have all beaten them in championship football, and ulster teams often beat Kerry in NFL, yet you reckon Kerry will beat Ulster teams 9 out of 10?
Though they are unfair, there are very strong argument for maintaining the provincial championships and a link to the All-ireland series, but it's also possible to reward nfl performance ( more level playing field) in AI campaign .
This current Kerry team will beat Ulster teams 9 times out of ten. In my view. They (again my view) are the only team capable of beating Dublin at the minute.
The Sam Maguire should only be between the top two divisions, the rest need to either up their ante or play at a level that suits their standards. Hurling has shown the way for a while now. Time football caught up
The top 16? What chance have the likes of Div 2 Clare or Down got? The top division 1 teams can't even compete with Dublin. Sure we all may as well have our own championship without Dublin
Cavanagh was an absolutely unbelievable footballer.
His engine and 100mph running was incredible. Took so many balls on the burst at 100mph and more often than not did the right thing. He must have scored more fisted points than anyone in history too
I've no problem with him knowing how good he was and wanting to be the one to really lead the charge in a final...as he did in 08.
People talk about him diving but he was running at unreal speed and being knocked over..l.dont think many appreciate his speed
He literally led that Tyrone team from no age...was obviously a different footballer than o Neill or Canavan but he was that important that without Cavanagh I don't think Tyrone would have any all ireland
Quote from: Angelo on April 25, 2021, 10:30:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2021, 10:11:46 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on April 25, 2021, 06:15:54 PM
Agreed , Nobody's blaming Kerry, it's the system.
What's your rational for your last statement , When all things are levelled up in the latter stages of the All-ireland Kerry have never beaten Down. Armagh Tyrone Donegal have all beaten them in championship football, and ulster teams often beat Kerry in NFL, yet you reckon Kerry will beat Ulster teams 9 out of 10?
Though they are unfair, there are very strong argument for maintaining the provincial championships and a link to the All-ireland series, but it's also possible to reward nfl performance ( more level playing field) in AI campaign .
This current Kerry team will beat Ulster teams 9 times out of ten. In my view. They (again my view) are the only team capable of beating Dublin at the minute.
The Sam Maguire should only be between the top two divisions, the rest need to either up their ante or play at a level that suits their standards. Hurling has shown the way for a while now. Time football caught up
Aye but you're one of those Kerry fanboys from counties that don't feature at the business end of the season.
I don't think Kerry beat Tyrone or Donegal 9 times out of 10. I think they are all on a very similar level.
I'm not into football like you, hurling is the sport, football is just rubbish
When you're talking about the best footballers we've produced in Tyrone in the last 50 years, a few stand out for having that bit extra:
Frank McGuigan
Peter Canavan
Sean Cavanagh
Quote from: ONeill on April 26, 2021, 12:08:53 AM
When you're talking about the best footballers we've produced in Tyrone in the last 50 years, a few stand out for having that bit extra:
Frank McGuigan
Peter Canavan
Sean Cavanagh
Stevie O'Neill was something above the average also, on a par I suppose with Mulligan and Doher, though slightly below your 3. Big Donaghy stood out also, maybe it was that game I seen him at Casement that sticks with me.
I think Dooher actually deserves to be talked about when talking about those boys too. He changed the definition of a wing half forward entirely in the county game IMO. Also he hit some inspirational scores - that one against Kerry in (I think) 05 was phenomenal.
When you think back to that Tyrone team that won in 03, 05 and 08 you think they maybe couldn't have done it without Cavanagh but then you think some more and you think well they couldn't have done it without Dooher or without O'Neill or without Jordan, Gormley, Ricey etc. Really they had a very strong spread of players. Cavanagh would have been the leader in 08 anyway - not quite as much earlier.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2021, 09:10:52 AM
I think Dooher actually deserves to be talked about when talking about those boys too. He changed the definition of a wing half forward entirely in the county game IMO. Also he hit some inspirational scores - that one against Kerry in (I think) 05 was phenomenal.
When you think back to that Tyrone team that won in 03, 05 and 08 you think they maybe couldn't have done it without Cavanagh but then you think some more and you think well they couldn't have done it without Dooher or without O'Neill or without Jordan, Gormley, Ricey etc. Really they had a very strong spread of players. Cavanagh would have been the leader in 08 anyway - not quite as much earlier.
2008, what a point. You'll struggle to see a better one in an all ireland final.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 26, 2021, 12:12:22 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 26, 2021, 12:08:53 AM
When you're talking about the best footballers we've produced in Tyrone in the last 50 years, a few stand out for having that bit extra:
Frank McGuigan
Peter Canavan
Sean Cavanagh
Stevie O'Neill was something above the average also, on a par I suppose with Mulligan and Doher, though slightly below your 3. Big Donaghy stood out also, maybe it was that game I seen him at Casement that sticks with me.
Definitely agree with that, he was my favorite footballer in the 00s. Points from any angle.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 26, 2021, 12:12:22 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 26, 2021, 12:08:53 AM
When you're talking about the best footballers we've produced in Tyrone in the last 50 years, a few stand out for having that bit extra:
Frank McGuigan
Peter Canavan
Sean Cavanagh
Stevie O'Neill was something above the average also, on a par I suppose with Mulligan and Doher, though slightly below your 3. Big Donaghy stood out also, maybe it was that game I seen him at Casement that sticks with me.
Stevie O'Neill was on fire for 2-3 years and yes in those 2-3 he was easily the best forward around. But it was only 2-3 years. Canavan, Cavanagh did it consistently over their careers, taking all the abuse coming physical and verbal.
Quote from: trailer on April 26, 2021, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 26, 2021, 12:12:22 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 26, 2021, 12:08:53 AM
When you're talking about the best footballers we've produced in Tyrone in the last 50 years, a few stand out for having that bit extra:
Frank McGuigan
Peter Canavan
Sean Cavanagh
Stevie O'Neill was something above the average also, on a par I suppose with Mulligan and Doher, though slightly below your 3. Big Donaghy stood out also, maybe it was that game I seen him at Casement that sticks with me.
Stevie O'Neill was on fire for 2-3 years and yes in those 2-3 he was easily the best forward around. But it was only 2-3 years. Canavan, Cavanagh did it consistently over their careers, taking all the abuse coming physical and verbal.
O'Neill just had seriously bad luck with injuries. Was great to see him in 05 in full flight without anything holding him back.
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When you're talking about the best footballers we've produced in Tyrone in the last 50 years, a few stand out for having that bit extra:
Frank McGuigan
Peter Canavan
Sean Cavanagh
Stevie O'Neill was something above the average also, on a par I suppose with Mulligan and Doher, though slightly below your 3. Big Donaghy stood out also, maybe it was that game I seen him at Casement that sticks with me.
Stevie O'Neill was on fire for 2-3 years and yes in those 2-3 he was easily the best forward around. But it was only 2-3 years. Canavan, Cavanagh did it consistently over their careers, taking all the abuse coming physical and verbal.
O'Neill just had seriously bad luck with injuries. Was great to see him in 05 in full flight without anything holding him back.
Injuries maybe but in 03 he wasn't picked. He came on and had a great 10-15 mins. But he didn't start. He had only a very limited role in 08, a half time sub. He was a serious baller but not in the same discussion as Cavanagh or Canavan.
Shock, horror but I agree with Trailer here.
O'Neill was a fantastic footballer but injuries seems to impact him badly, he very much struck me as a confidence player too but that might also have been injury related.
We had a lot of key men miss a lot of football in that era when you consider the problems O'Neill, McGinley and McGuigan had, not to forget Cormac only had about 3 or 4 years of senior football.
Was Oneill not studying in England at that time so he prob missed a lot of training early in the year. Of that forward line only really mcginley he would have replaced,butvhe was playing the roving role very well.
Dooher de man.
Stevie O Neill could do things with a ball only Cansvsn himself could match. Two geniuses with half a dozen others worthy of very special merit. Some team when you think of it! That was a very special decade for football when Croker was sold out a lot more than it is these days.
Those were my thoughts too. If you took Cavanagh out you'd have a lot less but you could say the same about O'Neill, Canavan, Ricey, Gormley, Dooher etc. There were a number of positions up for grabs but some serious operators there too who you'd have on any team.
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Stevie O Neill could do things with a ball only Cansvsn himself could match. Two geniuses with half a dozen others worthy of very special merit. Some team when you think of it! That was a very special decade for football when Croker was sold out a lot more than it is these days.
O'Neill did score some outrageous points. The type of score from an acute angle, or outside of the boot that would really lift the team and the fans. Stevie McDonnell could do it, as could Maurice Fitzgerald.
You just don't see risk taking like that anymore. It's all controlled play, 15 minutes of working the ball into a scoring zone before someone taps it over from 14 yards. Is it any wonder Croke Park is rarely sold out?
Games have become like an exercise in project management. It's about game management and keeping possession until you have derisked everything as much as possible. As Jim says - it's all about the process.
25 years ago when I was flat out getting level one and then level two coaching cert, an old fella at my local bar who knew I was into football came out with a statement.
To rapturous acclaim Tully, a real character that could keep the whole place amused by himself - claimed us "modern day" coaches were doing "sweet F All" except coaching football clean outa the game!
There's no doubt Tully was 100% right. Will we ever see decades like the 90s and noughties again?
The club games last summer were much more enjoyable than a lot of the county games you'd see.
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When you're talking about the best footballers we've produced in Tyrone in the last 50 years, a few stand out for having that bit extra:
Frank McGuigan
Peter Canavan
Sean Cavanagh
Stevie O'Neill was something above the average also, on a par I suppose with Mulligan and Doher, though slightly below your 3. Big Donaghy stood out also, maybe it was that game I seen him at Casement that sticks with me.
Stevie O'Neill was on fire for 2-3 years and yes in those 2-3 he was easily the best forward around. But it was only 2-3 years. Canavan, Cavanagh did it consistently over their careers, taking all the abuse coming physical and verbal.
O'Neill just had seriously bad luck with injuries. Was great to see him in 05 in full flight without anything holding him back.
Injuries maybe but in 03 he wasn't picked. He came on and had a great 10-15 mins. But he didn't start. He had only a very limited role in 08, a half time sub. He was a serious baller but not in the same discussion as Cavanagh or Canavan.
He was in England in 2003 doing his PGCE, he already had an All Star two years earlier and would have obviously been starting if he was available more. He still settled that game with those two scores though.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 26, 2021, 12:12:22 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 26, 2021, 12:08:53 AM
When you're talking about the best footballers we've produced in Tyrone in the last 50 years, a few stand out for having that bit extra:
Frank McGuigan
Peter Canavan
Sean Cavanagh
Stevie O'Neill was something above the average also, on a par I suppose with Mulligan and Doher, though slightly below your 3. Big Donaghy stood out also, maybe it was that game I seen him at Casement that sticks with me.
Stevie O'Neill was on fire for 2-3 years and yes in those 2-3 he was easily the best forward around. But it was only 2-3 years. Canavan, Cavanagh did it consistently over their careers, taking all the abuse coming physical and verbal.
O'Neill just had seriously bad luck with injuries. Was great to see him in 05 in full flight without anything holding him back.
Injuries maybe but in 03 he wasn't picked. He came on and had a great 10-15 mins. But he didn't start. He had only a very limited role in 08, a half time sub. He was a serious baller but not in the same discussion as Cavanagh or Canavan.
He was in England in 2003 doing his PGCE, he already had an All Star two years earlier and would have obviously been starting if he was available more. He still settled that game with those two scores though.
O'neill was a delightful footballer. Unique talent .
Cavanagh was very effective, brilliant athlete brilliant drive , a bit of a one trick pony ( using his athleticism to take men on, and accurate striker of the ball) .
As a neutral: O'neill better footballer , Cavanagh more effective overall , but Canavan probably best and most effective footballer I've seen
Dooher was an absolutely unbelievable footballer. People just talk about his engine and determination but he was pure class. Dummy solos, fielding, kick passing, the lot.
To say Cavanagh used his engine as a 1 trick pony is disingenuous.....his engine and athleticism was unique....he literally took men on every time he got the ball, incredible. Antrim could unfortunately go a year without 1 player taking a man on...Cavanagh did it 10 times a match
If any of you have any of the Sam DVDs ...highlights of a year in the 00s...stick them on. Some of the football and sheer competitiveness was out of this world.
To think that if the 2005 final had today's rules Muggsy would take a mark and a certain score rather than pass to Canavan for the goal ...it really is sickening. The game is dead. No short boring kick outs then either
That's a great point on the mark. Yeah cavanagh no one trick pony alright. Fantastic but peoples memory's get clouded because he's not that likeable.
Sadly you could near be right on Antrim. It was the one thing you always got with tony scullion though.
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Dooher was an absolutely unbelievable footballer. People just talk about his engine and determination but he was pure class. Dummy solos, fielding, kick passing, the lot.
To say Cavanagh used his engine as a 1 trick pony is disingenuous.....his engine and athleticism was unique....he literally took men on every time he got the ball, incredible. Antrim could unfortunately go a year without 1 player taking a man on...Cavanagh did it 10 times a match
If any of you have any of the Sam DVDs ...highlights of a year in the 00s...stick them on. Some of the football and sheer competitiveness was out of this world.
To think that if the 2005 final had today's rules Muggsy would take a mark and a certain score rather than pass to Canavan for the goal ...it really is sickening. The game is dead. No short boring kick outs then either
He was 5'9" or 5'10" max, I thought he was unreal, a winner. Got to know him well too, a gentleman
He was a real warrior. I felt sorry for boys who had to mark him - he just never stopped.
Last nights episode was very good, Kieran Fitzgerald came across very well.
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Last nights episode was very good, Kieran Fitzgerald came across very well.
He's an absolute gentleman and I think the episode portrayed that very well. Laochra Gael really highlights the fact that you never know what a player on the pitch is going through off it, we forget sometimes these players are private individuals off the field with problems and trauma of their own to deal with.
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Last nights episode was very good, Kieran Fitzgerald came across very well.
He's an absolute gentleman and I think the episode portrayed that very well. Laochra Gael really highlights the fact that you never know what a player on the pitch is going through off it, we forget sometimes these players are private individuals off the field with problems and trauma of their own to deal with.
No more so than next weeks with Johnny McGurk
It's some series. I missed a lot of them recently, would have loved to have seen this one, and by all accounts the Sambo one was outstanding as well.
From a Rossie point of view, I enjoyed Cake's one, but not having seen either Kieran Fitzgerald nor Sambo, I'd have to say that, for me, the best and most moving one was Kieran Duff- a brilliant watch. He was one hardy hure!!
Have enjoyed the Joe Quaid one most this season so far, what a keeper he was
Have to say the Sambo McNaughton episode was a great watch, and emotional for him too - given what he had to deal with outside of his Hurling. Fair Play to him for learning how to deal with his speech impediment and the mannerism in which he was treated during his school life, which was shocking. He came across very well and proved himself both on and off the pitch. He is a complete hero up in the Glens and fully deserved !!
Some are better than others. Thought last night's was excellent as never seen or heard of that fella before but remember hearing about the meehans sister
You can watch them back on the tg4 player/app
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Have to say the Sambo McNaughton episode was a great watch, and emotional for him too - given what he had to deal with outside of his Hurling. Fair Play to him for learning how to deal with his speech impediment and the mannerism in which he was treated during his school life, which was shocking. He came across very well and proved himself both on and off the pitch. He is a complete hero up in the Glens and fully deserved !!
I really enjoyed that one too. Sambo is very impressive. A pity about the 89 final.
Sambo about halfway during Offaly match
"If you are going to beat me you had better take your A game"
End of all Ireland " I never had that mentality where it was good just to be there. "
Imagine Antrim getting back to CP.
Quote from: An Watcher on February 11, 2022, 08:29:26 PM
Some are better than others. Thought last night's was excellent as never seen or heard of that fella before but remember hearing about the meehans sister
Never heard of Kieran Fitzgerald! Wow !
Fitzy is a real gent. Enjoyed that.
I know he retired from county football a fair while ago but I'm surprised all the same to read a few saying they've never heard of him.
He was full back on a three in a row winning AI club team after all as recently as 2020.
Obviously know of corofin and their recent achievements but I couldn't name anyone from their team. As for that galway team, the meehans, was Sean og de paor still there, Joyce, donnellan. Struggle after that.
Didn't realise McGurk stole as much money as that :o
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 17, 2022, 10:40:02 PM
Didn't realise McGurk stole as much money as that :o
Wise up!
Served his time.Moving on with his life now.Great show as they all have been in the current series.
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Didn't realise McGurk stole as much money as that :o
Wise up!
Served his time.Moving on with his life now.Great show as they all have in the current series.
Why wise up??
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Didn't realise McGurk stole as much money as that :o
Wise up!
Served his time.Moving on with his life now.Great show as they all have been in the current series.
Why?
Is that something we arent allowed to talk about?
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Some are better than others. Thought last night's was excellent as never seen or heard of that fella before but remember hearing about the meehans sister
Never heard of Kieran Fitzgerald! Wow !
The episodes with a different story /trajectory can often be more interesting.
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Didn't realise McGurk stole as much money as that :o
Wise up!
Served his time.Moving on with his life now.Great show as they all have been in the current series.
Strange comment.
Great show tough for him to do no doubt. And at same time great to see the 93 footage see some old faces in the crowd and reminisce on a great summer
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Some are better than others. Thought last night's was excellent as never seen or heard of that fella before but remember hearing about the meehans sister
Never heard of Kieran Fitzgerald! Wow !
The episodes with a different story /trajectory can often be more interesting.
It's the angle they seem to be going for. It's more the characters than the best of the best of the best players. (All of the players are very very good still!).
So much respect for those that tell their story and hopefully help others avoid similar circumstances. Laochra Gaeil is a brilliant format and production, totally engaging and prepared to deal with important issues.
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Quote from: An Watcher on February 11, 2022, 08:29:26 PM
Some are better than others. Thought last night's was excellent as never seen or heard of that fella before but remember hearing about the meehans sister
Never heard of Kieran Fitzgerald! Wow !
The episodes with a different story /trajectory can often be more interesting.
It's the angle they seem to be going for. It's more the characters than the best of the best of the best players. (All of the players are very very good still!).
it might also be cos the series has been on the go for 20 years and the supply of legends has largely been mined.
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Some are better than others. Thought last night's was excellent as never seen or heard of that fella before but remember hearing about the meehans sister
Never heard of Kieran Fitzgerald! Wow !
The episodes with a different story /trajectory can often be more interesting.
It's the angle they seem to be going for. It's more the characters than the best of the best of the best players. (All of the players are very very good still!).
it might also be cos the series has been on the go for 20 years and the supply of legends has largely been mined.
This is it 100%, it's all about mental health etc now & players "struggles". The true greats have been done.
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Didn't realise McGurk stole as much money as that :o
Wise up!
Served his time.Moving on with his life now.Great show as they all have been in the current series.
Why?
Is that something we arent allowed to talk about?
isn't this a discussion board?
would most people do 10 months for half a million? I'd say they probably would.
Only actually did 5/6mths inside goin by a paper article.
Quote from: 6th sam on February 18, 2022, 09:27:07 AM
So much respect for those that tell their story and hopefully help others avoid similar circumstances. Laochra Gaeil is a brilliant format and production, totally engaging and prepared to deal with important issues.
It's honestly my favourite show on TV. Fantastic.
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Quote from: 6th sam on February 18, 2022, 09:27:07 AM
So much respect for those that tell their story and hopefully help others avoid similar circumstances. Laochra Gaeil is a brilliant format and production, totally engaging and prepared to deal with important issues.
It's honestly my favourite show on TV. Fantastic.
Yeah it's great. Really enjoyed the Sue Ramsbottom episode a few weeks back.
Likewise and didn't know much about her beforehand(though had heard the name and knew she was good).
Running outta legends
Milltown Row in line for next series
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Some are better than others. Thought last night's was excellent as never seen or heard of that fella before but remember hearing about the meehans sister
Never heard of Kieran Fitzgerald! Wow !
The episodes with a different story /trajectory can often be more interesting.
It's the angle they seem to be going for. It's more the characters than the best of the best of the best players. (All of the players are very very good still!).
it might also be cos the series has been on the go for 20 years and the supply of legends has largely been mined.
This is it 100%, it's all about mental health etc now & players "struggles". The true greats have been done.
The Dub 6 in a row also reduced the flow of legends.
A lot of recent greats will never win Sam.
That's suboptimal. No Croke Park crowd shots
Martin O'connell got a LG but nobody in Meath now would have a hope
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Quote from: Hoof Hearted on February 18, 2022, 03:06:13 PM
Running outta legends
Milltown Row in line for next series
Tomás and Marc Ó Sé, McGeeney, Philip Jordan all overlooked so far.
Sue Ramsbottom really deserved her LG. The first person from Laois to be featured. A legend of the game.
A great show indeed
a few i would like to see would be
Gearoid Adams, Jarlath Burns, Marty McGrath, Benny Coulter, Mickey Moran, Seanie Johnston, Dick Clerkin,
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:29:29 PM
A great show indeed
a few i would like to see would be
Gearoid Adams, Jarlath Burns, Marty McGrath, Benny Coulter, Mickey Moran, Seanie Johnston, Dick Clerkin,
Behave yourself
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:29:29 PM
A great show indeed
a few i would like to see would be
Gearoid Adams, Jarlath Burns, Marty McGrath, Benny Coulter, Mickey Moran, Seanie Johnston, Dick Clerkin,
Why Adams, Burns, Johnson and Clerkin ?
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A great show indeed
a few i would like to see would be
Gearoid Adams, Jarlath Burns, Marty McGrath, Benny Coulter, Mickey Moran, Seanie Johnston, Dick Clerkin,
Why Adams, Burns, Johnson and Clerkin ?
They all have great careers and with a story to tell. We dont need another donegal, kerry or Dublin boring story. Jarlath burns captained Armagh to an ulster title and also has forged a great role as an administrator
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A great show indeed
a few i would like to see would be
Gearoid Adams, Jarlath Burns, Marty McGrath, Benny Coulter, Mickey Moran, Seanie Johnston, Dick Clerkin,
Why Adams, Burns, Johnson and Clerkin ?
They all have great careers and with a story to tell. We dont need another donegal, kerry or Dublin boring story. Jarlath burns captained Armagh to an ulster title and also has forged a great role as an administrator
https://youtu.be/VAw0XXDopUA
There ye go. Now, no more silly suggestions or I'll have to apply for a grant to get Tom and Conor to tell us what to think of next
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Didn't realise McGurk stole as much money as that :o
Wise up!
Served his time.Moving on with his life now.Great show as they all have in the current series.
Why wise up??
I'm sure he has paid it all back.
Enjoyed the new Joe Canning one last night. In parts found it sad too with all the expectation on him and then you saw the mum a lot on tv and she's now passed away so sad in parts too. Some talent.
A highlight reel of Joe's career was great to watch. An all time great.
That boy that stamped on his head >:(
He comes across as a decent grounded guy. He said on the goal where he took the ball on the spin against KK he'd have fallen over 9 out of 10 times. Maybe he would but I don't think I know of another hurler who would have scored that goal ever. The balance, vision etc etc. Phenomenal.
He got a hit on it, on par with the one on Paudie Clifford, Lad totally tried to melt him, when he was only 17
Great show. One of the all time greats.
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He got a hit on it, on par with the one on Paudie Clifford, Lad totally tried to melt him, when he was only 17
Yeah, as bad as any dirty play between 2 men is, for a full grown man to do that to a 17 year old child is heinous. Joe's teammates should have gotten revenge for him such as splitting open the back of his neck.
Just finished watching
Great show as always
Who stood on his neck ?
Was he ever dealt with ( within the 4 lines obviously )
Quote from: tiempo on February 22, 2022, 10:38:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 01:43:43 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on February 22, 2022, 01:40:57 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:29:29 PM
A great show indeed
a few i would like to see would be
Gearoid Adams, Jarlath Burns, Marty McGrath, Benny Coulter, Mickey Moran, Seanie Johnston, Dick Clerkin,
Why Adams, Burns, Johnson and Clerkin ?
They all have great careers and with a story to tell. We dont need another donegal, kerry or Dublin boring story. Jarlath burns captained Armagh to an ulster title and also has forged a great role as an administrator
https://youtu.be/VAw0XXDopUA
There ye go. Now, no more silly suggestions or I'll have to apply for a grant to get Tom and Conor to tell us what to think of next
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAw0XXDopUA&t=895s
Watching the Tom Parsons episode atm, Mayo and Dublin really did serve up some epic battles... As good as I've seen, pure edge of the seat drama
Quote from: JoG2 on February 16, 2023, 10:08:18 PM
Watching the Tom Parsons episode atm, Mayo and Dublin really did serve up some epic battles... As good as I've seen, pure edge of the seat drama
Mayo hid the real gap between Dublin and the rest of Ireland during that time.
In games that tight, home games really made that small difference in Dublin crossing the line.
I'd have to agree 100% From the bunker.
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Watching the Tom Parsons episode atm, Mayo and Dublin really did serve up some epic battles... As good as I've seen, pure edge of the seat drama
Mayo hid the real gap between Dublin and the rest of Ireland during that time.
In games that tight, home games really made that small difference in Dublin crossing the line.
Without a doubt Bunker. A game of inches was mentioned a few times. Parson's journey back was / is inspirational.
Did not enjoy that episode of Tom Parsons, found it a bit disjointed.
Last one tonight, Anthony Molloy, should be good
Brian mcgilligan doesn't mince his words anyway from the clip I seen
Maybe not the right place but the BBC GAA social podcast with Seanie Johnson this week was a great listen. Covers his whole Kildare transfer in great detail.
It's a good show that - lot of good episodes on it.
Very good episode. Slightly off topic and apologies if its already been covered but were Donegal originally green with yellow band or was that an away jersey? Did they later swap to yellow and green? In a lot of big games in the 80s and 90s they seemed to wear green & yellow.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 10, 2023, 09:54:45 AM
Very good episode. Slightly off topic and apologies if its already been covered but were Donegal originally green with yellow band or was that an away jersey? Did they later swap to yellow and green? In a lot of big games in the 80s and 90s they seemed to wear green & yellow.
You're right. Green with yellow band up till manybe late 80's? Early 90's? Forget TBH.
I thought it seemed to be 92 that changed it. IIRC they would have worn green until they beat wasn't in Mayo in the 92 semi?
Anthony Molloy is the only Gaeilgeoir in this series. There must be no teachers profiled
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 09:48:35 AM
It's a good show that - lot of good episodes on it.
BBC podcasts have been very good though I don't find McConville as good as he used to be...
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
I thought it seemed to be 92 that changed it. IIRC they would have worn green until they beat wasn't in Mayo in the 92 semi?
Donegal wore the green jersey with yellow band in Ulster final 1992. A clash of colours with mayo in the semi made them go yellow with green sleeves. They've kept that design pretty much the same since then
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqb4S10q3w
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqb4S10q3w)
I believe Sligo did similar with the all black design after a clash with Kildare in the early days of the qualifiers . After that game , they stuck to the black
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Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
I thought it seemed to be 92 that changed it. IIRC they would have worn green until they beat wasn't in Mayo in the 92 semi?
Donegal wore the green jersey with yellow band in Ulster final 1992. A clash of colours with mayo in the semi made them go yellow with green sleeves. They've kept that design pretty much the same since then
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqb4S10q3w
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqb4S10q3w)
I believe Sligo did similar with the all black design after a clash with Kildare in the early days of the qualifiers . After that game , they stuck to the black
Something important happened Donegal in 1992 that may have influenced the jersey choice from then on.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
I thought it seemed to be 92 that changed it. IIRC they would have worn green until they beat wasn't in Mayo in the 92 semi?
Donegal wore the green jersey with yellow band in Ulster final 1992. A clash of colours with mayo in the semi made them go yellow with green sleeves. They've kept that design pretty much the same since then
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqb4S10q3w
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqb4S10q3w)
I believe Sligo did similar with the all black design after a clash with Kildare in the early days of the qualifiers . After that game , they stuck to the black
Something important happened Donegal in 1992 that may have influenced the jersey choice from then on.
What was that?
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 10, 2023, 01:33:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 10, 2023, 12:57:47 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 10, 2023, 12:43:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
I thought it seemed to be 92 that changed it. IIRC they would have worn green until they beat wasn't in Mayo in the 92 semi?
Donegal wore the green jersey with yellow band in Ulster final 1992. A clash of colours with mayo in the semi made them go yellow with green sleeves. They've kept that design pretty much the same since then
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqb4S10q3w
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqb4S10q3w)
I believe Sligo did similar with the all black design after a clash with Kildare in the early days of the qualifiers . After that game , they stuck to the black
Something important happened Donegal in 1992 that may have influenced the jersey choice from then on.
What was that?
Micheal Murphy was born, I think
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 10, 2023, 01:33:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 10, 2023, 12:57:47 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 10, 2023, 12:43:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
I thought it seemed to be 92 that changed it. IIRC they would have worn green until they beat wasn't in Mayo in the 92 semi?
Donegal wore the green jersey with yellow band in Ulster final 1992. A clash of colours with mayo in the semi made them go yellow with green sleeves. They've kept that design pretty much the same since then
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqb4S10q3w
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqb4S10q3w)
I believe Sligo did similar with the all black design after a clash with Kildare in the early days of the qualifiers . After that game , they stuck to the black
Something important happened Donegal in 1992 that may have influenced the jersey choice from then on.
What was that?
They played the traffic cone Dubs in a final.
Quote from: seafoid on March 10, 2023, 02:13:08 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 10, 2023, 01:33:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 10, 2023, 12:57:47 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 10, 2023, 12:43:27 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 10, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
I thought it seemed to be 92 that changed it. IIRC they would have worn green until they beat wasn't in Mayo in the 92 semi?
Donegal wore the green jersey with yellow band in Ulster final 1992. A clash of colours with mayo in the semi made them go yellow with green sleeves. They've kept that design pretty much the same since then
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqb4S10q3w
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqb4S10q3w)
I believe Sligo did similar with the all black design after a clash with Kildare in the early days of the qualifiers . After that game , they stuck to the black
Something important happened Donegal in 1992 that may have influenced the jersey choice from then on.
What was that?
They played the traffic cone Dubs in a final.
Forgot McHugh took a point from a Penalty. Should've been thrown out of the competition for doing that.