Poppy Watch

Started by Orior, November 04, 2010, 12:36:05 PM

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stew

Quote from: Enough on November 03, 2011, 04:21:07 PM
Wear a poppy support a murderer!

What a load of bollocks!!!!
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

Applesisapples

Quote from: Enough on November 03, 2011, 04:21:07 PM
Wear a poppy support a murderer!
Would that be one trying to kill a ref?

4father

What I dislike about the whole poppy thing is that it is a cynical way of bringing about justification and morality to an army that have been the shame of our earth.  It gives moral justification to the Iraq and Afghan invasion and the crimes committed there in the micro by soldiers and in the macro by the political war criminals. 

That is the trick in the poppy - the invading soldier who played his/her part in massacres, murder and the other pieces of political dirty work dies and is commemorated for doing his part for his country.  What part of his country was he protecting in a country thousands of miles away?  It brings justification to all of the actions of the British Government in war when it is crime.  Disgusting really.

thejuice

What I find more strange is that people go on about Irish people needing to wear a poppy. The world wars, while many Irish did partake in the 1st particularly, they are not culturally prevalent in our society. Neither is militarism generally. We are proud of our peace keeping work in Lebanon but the parading, the cenotaphs and the flag waving are not things I would associate with our society.

Having lived in England for a number of years now, its much different over here. Every town has its memorial. The RAF flying shows attract large numbers and documentaries about the wars run 24/7 on the Military History channel.

As for poppy's and giving money to soldiers charities. I don't. If they want money maybe they should ask Tony Blair.
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deiseach

Quote from: stew on November 03, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: Enough on November 03, 2011, 04:21:07 PM
Wear a poppy support a murderer!

What a load of bollocks!!!!

Please tell us what you really think

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Quote from: thejuice on November 03, 2011, 05:36:09 PM
What I find more strange is that people go on about Irish people needing to wear a poppy. The world wars, while many Irish did partake in the 1st particularly, they are not culturally prevalent in our society. Neither is militarism generally. We are proud of our peace keeping work in Lebanon but the parading, the cenotaphs and the flag waving are not things I would associate with our society.

Having lived in England for a number of years now, its much different over here. Every town has its memorial. The RAF flying shows attract large numbers and documentaries about the wars run 24/7 on the Military History channel.

As for poppy's and giving money to soldiers charities. I don't. If they want money maybe they should ask Tony Blair.

Ya I always knew they where a martial people but in reality it is much more than I expected.
Time to take a more chill-pill approach to life.

Applesisapples

Quote from: Applesisapples on November 03, 2011, 04:32:04 PM
Quote from: Enough on November 03, 2011, 04:21:07 PM
Wear a poppy support a murderer!
Would that be one trying to kill a ref?
Enough, thanks for the PM calling me a narrow minded twerp. That's actually funny coming from some one who posts what you did regarding poppies. No lover of poppies am I or what unionists have made them into. But in the current dispensation if people wish to express their identity and support for soldiers so be it. As long as they don't ram it down my throat. I have noted from the comments you have left elsewhere on Ray Mathews that you have a particularly twisted view of the world. If you want to post insults to people have the balls to do it on the open forum instead of private messages.

deiseach

Quote from: thejuice on November 03, 2011, 05:36:09 PM
Having lived in England for a number of years now, its much different over here. Every town has its memorial. The RAF flying shows attract large numbers and documentaries about the wars run 24/7 on the Military History channel.

What on earth do you expect on the Military History channel? Porn?

Milltown Row2

Why after all these years are we still hung up on flags and Poppy's? Boring boring. Who cares no ones is ramming anything down my throat a flag carries no fear nor some fella wearing a poppy for two months. Christ if he wanted to wear it for life i couldn't give a shite. What impact does it have on your life? I doubt very much it.

But we will moan about it every year. Do people on this site go to rallies remembering those who died during the troubles? Are there wee bracelets or Lillies worn every year for these things? (ones that pin and the ones that stick ;D)

That is the trick in the poppy - the invading soldier who played his/her part in massacres, murder and the other pieces of political dirty work dies and is commemorated for doing his part for his country.

Do you mean any war? Are you against any war that has happened or continuing to happen?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

4father

#549
You mightn't care about them but when they are used cynically to drive on support for people destroying others' lives in other countries it matters to me.  Maybe not to you but that's your choice to get annoyed about it or not.  Am I being blown up by an attacking Apache helicopter? No.  Are others currently under that threat in other countries?  Yes.  Choose to be apathetic if you want to but don't be coming on here patronising people because they care about a certain issue.

Do I go to rallies commemorating people that died here?  Yes.  Do i wear a Lilly? Yes, only on Easter Sunday.  (a wee pin on one does me but whether they pin on or stick on is irrelevant now. 

I am against occupying forces invading other peoples' countries (here, Iraq, Afghanistan or wherever).  I am for those that resist that occupation all over the world.  Whether you like it or not, the poppy is used to gather support for 'troops' involved in those occupations and the cynical ploy in all of this is that that support in turn is produced and developed to support the occupiers deeds.  I am referring to the Brits of course but the same could be said for the American army, the Israeli army etc.  I hate war by the way, its horrific.

I wear my Lilly to commemorate people who died resisting the occupiers.

By the way, not every British soldier is a bad person.  Those who fought during WW1 and WW2 genuinely thought that they were doing their country a service or fighting against an horrific ideology (Fascism) but these people were used as pawns for criminal politicians.  Irish people fought in the war to feed their families and some because they were lied to by politicians in that their participation would bring about Home Rule.  I have no problem with their lives being commemorated but not when its used cynically to garner support for coontemporary colonialism. 

Where do you stand on the occupations?  Or do you care?

Milltown Row2

Quote from: 4father on November 03, 2011, 06:46:41 PM
You mightn't care about them but when they are used cynically to drive on support for people destroying others' lives in other countries it matters to me.  Maybe not to you but that's your choice to get annoyed about it or not.  Am I being blown up by an attacking Apache helicopter? No.  Are others currently under that threat in other countries?  Yes.  Choose to be apathetic if you want to but don't be coming on here patronising people because they care about a certain issue.

Do I go to rallies commemorating people that died here?  Yes.  Do i wear a Lilly? Yes, only on Easter Sunday.  (a wee pin on one does me but whether they pin on or stick on is irrelevant now. 

I am against occupying forces invading other peoples' countries (here, Iraq, Afghanistan or wherever).  I am for those that resist that occupation all over the world.  Whether you like it or not, the poppy is used to gather support for 'troops' involved in those occupations.  I am referring to the Brits of course but the same could be said for the American army, the Israeli army etc. I hate war by the way, its horrific.

Seems strange that you hate war but have no problem with the war that has destroyed so many lives here!
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

4father

By the way, I edited my last post, there was a few questions for you that you may have missed.  I have a major problem with the war that destroyed so many lives here.  The protagonists are the same people that are destroying the rest of the world. 

Are you somehow implying that I think war is great because I commemorate former comrades and Ireland's patriots? 

stew

Quote from: deiseach on November 03, 2011, 05:45:10 PM
Quote from: stew on November 03, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: Enough on November 03, 2011, 04:21:07 PM
Wear a poppy support a murderer!

What a load of bollocks!!!!

Please tell us what you really think

Believe it or not the Brits have the right to honour their dead, I have friends over here from Armagh that wear their poppies with pride, they honour the wife's father who fought in the British army in WW2, he fought with distinction and he died three years ago. I have no problem with people who respectfully wear their poppy and who dont harp on about those who don't.
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

deiseach

Quote from: stew on November 03, 2011, 07:06:01 PM
Quote from: deiseach on June 02, 1970, 08:37:03 PM

Please tell us what you really think

Believe it or not the Brits have the right to honour their dead, I have friends over here from Armagh that wear their poppies with pride, they honour the wife's father who fought in the British army in WW2, he fought with distinction and he died three years ago. I have no problem with people who respectfully wear their poppy and who dont harp on about those who don't.

I was being flippant. You're right, particularly the 'load of bollocks' part

Milltown Row2

#554
Did Germany want peace by occupying those countries? Could they have maybe been talked out of it? I've missed that part during history lesson.

Many a corner boy was thrust into the war here by people unwilling to get their hands dirty or caught for that matter, were they pawns used by people?

Are we are better placed now than we were in the 70's during the troubles? We are still governed by London but we have a voice in how we run things (albeit a small one) If we move into a republic (not that they want us) will you be happier

I've a family to look after, their lives are far more important to me than this hate filled country. So I don't have a view on it, know too many families that have lost dear ones for nothing
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea