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Title: Poppy Watch
Post by: Orior on November 04, 2010, 12:36:05 PM
This time of year Poppies go on sale. Some people buy them so as to donate money to the british security forces, while others buy them to wear as a visible badge of loyalty.

Yesterday morning I saw a chap with a poppy pinned to his baseball cap.

Have you seen poppies in unusual places?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: BerfArmagh on November 04, 2010, 12:37:26 PM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Doogie Browser on November 04, 2010, 12:41:01 PM
Jon Snow has some interesting views on this...
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/71017,people,news,jon-snow-rounds-on-the-poppy-fascists
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 04, 2010, 12:55:36 PM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them

Good to see free choice is alive and well. If they want to wear them, so what and yes i know symbolisim etc. Plenty of Irish men in the ranks of the British Army over the years.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: glens abu on November 04, 2010, 01:11:20 PM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them

Good to see free choice is alive and well. If they want to wear them, so what and yes i know symbolisim etc. Plenty of Irish men in the ranks of the British Army over the years.

I would say its a case of being made wear them on the X-factor.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: SLIGONIAN on November 04, 2010, 01:12:36 PM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them

Good to see free choice is alive and well. If they want to wear them, so what and yes i know symbolisim etc. Plenty of Irish men in the ranks of the British Army over the years.
Money talks, all those Irish working in england wear them, its more a symbol of the irish licking the holes of brits, pandering for votes or money. I see it as selling your soul. Do they realise there supporting the comfortable retirement of all those brit soldiers who killed innocent people up North.

Is it complusary on brit tv to wear one?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: haranguerer on November 04, 2010, 01:15:01 PM
I think it is now. Other years there would have been plenty on tv not wearing them, now I think it must be mandatory - even the likes of the apprentice 'you're fired' last night, everyone had them pinned on (incl Dara)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: supersarsfields on November 04, 2010, 01:17:58 PM
I thought Nadine Coyle refused to wear one on some morning tv program. But I could be wrong!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 04, 2010, 01:23:16 PM
while it should be left up to the individual on the telly - I dont see too much wrong with dara o'bhrian wearing one as well as peruvian Paloma also wearing one on the 'apprentice' tv show last night.
If nadine coyle refused to wear one (I think I recall that) well that should also be up to her.

Poppy wearing wasnt that common in certain parts of England during the 70's at least but seems to have become a part of the British 'culture' now a days.

People dont want to be left out or ostracised because they are not 'joining in'.
shouldnt matter but thats the way it is.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Muzz on November 04, 2010, 01:25:40 PM
I think it is now. Other years there would have been plenty on tv not wearing them, now I think it must be mandatory - even the likes of the apprentice 'you're fired' last night, everyone had them pinned on (incl Dara)

Use to be compulsary on BBC but if I remember correctly some of the newsline ladies challenged it and won.  A lot more havent wore poppies since.

I can understand people wanting to support as some people said a lot of irish in the British Army ranks and infact Irish fought in the wars with them - but what rags me is that in the North its a show of symbolism.  That you are (most likely) a protestant.  I certainly feel that people are trying to show something rather than any support it is suppose to bring.

What really rags me is Public Servants wearing them - Police etc.  Dont get it.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Donkeywalloper on November 04, 2010, 01:28:16 PM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them

I take it, with your stance on the high moral ground that youor your family  have never benefited from anything the British State offered ? I think some of you go out of your way to be offended. FFS its a different world we're living in and concerns for a lot of people at the moment are more economic rather than historical ideology.

Ireland would a one step closer to unification if the two contestents on a british television show rejected the wearing of a poppy.   ::)   The schools must be still on holidays.

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 04, 2010, 02:34:51 PM
while it should be left up to the individual on the telly - I dont see too much wrong with dara o'bhrian wearing one as well as peruvian Paloma also wearing one on the 'apprentice' tv show last night.If nadine coyle refused to wear one (I think I recall that) well that should also be up to her.

Poppy wearing wasnt that common in certain parts of England during the 70's at least but seems to have become a part of the British 'culture' now a days.

People dont want to be left out or ostracised because they are not 'joining in'.
shouldnt matter but thats the way it is.
Wasn't her poppy that caught my eye  ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 04, 2010, 03:38:21 PM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them

I take it, with your stance on the high moral ground that youor your family  have never benefited from anything the British State offered ? I think some of you go out of your way to be offended. FFS its a different world we're living in and concerns for a lot of people at the moment are more economic rather than historical ideology.

Is the poppy a symbol of the British state? There was me thinking it was a symbol to remember those who died in ALL wars yaddyyaddayadda. I don't blame Mary Byrne et al for wearing the poppy. When in Rome and all that. But it devalues the symbolism of donning the poppy if everyone is obliged to wear it
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 04, 2010, 04:22:19 PM
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Quote from: lynchbhoy on Today at 01:23:16 PM
while it should be left up to the individual on the telly - I dont see too much wrong with dara o'bhrian wearing one as well as peruvian Paloma also wearing one on the 'apprentice' tv show last night.If nadine coyle refused to wear one (I think I recall that) well that should also be up to her.

Poppy wearing wasnt that common in certain parts of England during the 70's at least but seems to have become a part of the British 'culture' now a days.

People dont want to be left out or ostracised because they are not 'joining in'.
shouldnt matter but thats the way it is.

Wasn't her poppy that caught my eye   

Just read the bottom bit from you Tony and thought you were on about MAry Byrne, gave me a fright  :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 04, 2010, 04:41:51 PM
This time of year Poppies go on sale. Some people buy them so as to donate money to the british security forces, while others buy them to wear as a visible badge of loyalty.
I shall be buying one on the off-chance (no matter how remote) that I might bump into "Pints of Guinness" and be able to 'rub his face in it':
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=17732.0

Though I also like to think it honours the boys/bhoys of the Royal Irish out in Helmand, too:
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Meanwhile, I see those pesky (Far) West Brits out in Canada are wearing them, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kX_3y3u5Uo

And so as not to be left out, the West Frogs are in on it, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcjnqM6KQsQ&feature=related
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: red hander on November 04, 2010, 04:48:28 PM
I don't have a problem with people wearing them if they want, but I do have a problem with what Jon Snow rightly calls 'poppy fascism' ... the Nazis did the same thing with yellow stars. 

There was a total gobshite from Dublin who was working in my place last year and one day he walks in with one of them on him - and before anybody asks, I considered him a gobshite before he wore it - and I was dying to ask him if he was ok showing support for the actions of the murderers of the Black and Tans, the Auxiliiaries, the B Specials and the UDR, but he would have been too thick to even know what I was talking about, he was only interested in currying favour with management
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Main Street on November 04, 2010, 04:55:46 PM
There is an irony about wearing a poppy, in support of the British troops fighting in Afghanistan.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: magpie seanie on November 04, 2010, 04:58:46 PM
Making everyone that appears on British TV wear a poppy is what really sickens my hole the most. Everyone has the right to remember their war dead but its not a thing that should be forced down peoples throats like it is.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 04, 2010, 05:03:10 PM
There is an irony about wearing a poppy, in support of the British troops fighting in Afghanistan.
Only to those who seem to think that the Corn Poppy and the Opium Poppy are one and the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6BlOkpdkg8&feature=related
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Trout on November 04, 2010, 05:07:42 PM
I don't have a problem with people wearing them if they want, but I do have a problem with what Jon Snow rightly calls 'poppy fascism' ... the Nazis did the same thing with yellow stars. 

There was a total gobshite from Dublin who was working in my place last year and one day he walks in with one of them on him - and before anybody asks, I considered him a gobshite before he wore it - and I was dying to ask him if he was ok showing support for the actions of the murderers of the Black and Tans, the Auxiliiaries, the B Specials and the UDR, but he would have been too thick to even know what I was talking about, he was only interested in currying favour with management

That's the thing though, you didn't.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: red hander on November 04, 2010, 05:45:30 PM
Why risk my job for an arsehole? I don't socialise with gobshites (wish I could say the same about not replying to them on internet forums) so it's not like I could have broached the subject outside the office
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 04, 2010, 06:14:12 PM
This time of year Poppies go on sale. Some people buy them so as to donate money to the british security forces, while others buy them to wear as a visible badge of loyalty.
I shall be buying one on the off-chance (no matter how remote) that I might bump into "Pints of Guinness" and be able to 'rub his face in it':
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=17732.0

Though I also like to think it honours the boys/bhoys of the Royal Irish out in Helmand, too:
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Meanwhile, I see those pesky (Far) West Brits out in Canada are wearing them, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kX_3y3u5Uo

And so as not to be left out, the West Frogs are in on it, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcjnqM6KQsQ&feature=related
What's the third flag on the right hand side of the photo?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ziggysego on November 04, 2010, 06:27:25 PM
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Is everyone ok after seeing that Poppy I posted?

Who gives a flying f...? If people want to wear Poppy, so be it. I really couldn't care less. I certainly won't be on the look out for people that are wearing it, just so I can get annoyed.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 04, 2010, 06:45:09 PM
while it should be left up to the individual on the telly - I dont see too much wrong with dara o'bhrian wearing one as well as peruvian Paloma also wearing one on the 'apprentice' tv show last night.
I noticed that two of the panel didn't have poppies.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 04, 2010, 06:49:19 PM
while it should be left up to the individual on the telly - I dont see too much wrong with dara o'bhrian wearing one as well as peruvian Paloma also wearing one on the 'apprentice' tv show last night.
I noticed that two of the panel didn't have poppies.

Was going to say that myself. The comedian with the beard had none nor the fashion expert woman in the middle. I was listening to DOB earlier in the year on rte radio when he got the gig and he was saying how he had a big decisiion to make regarding wearing the poppy and how he felt it a British thing and it made him uncomfortable. Obviously he has no such problem now.

Personally I have no problem with people wearing one but it seems to me their is a cult of the poppy now and a lot of pressure put on people to wear one who normally would not wear one if they had a pressure free choice.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Main Street on November 04, 2010, 07:12:02 PM
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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 04, 2010, 07:35:25 PM
This time of year Poppies go on sale. Some people buy them so as to donate money to the british security forces, while others buy them to wear as a visible badge of loyalty.
I shall be buying one on the off-chance (no matter how remote) that I might bump into "Pints of Guinness" and be able to 'rub his face in it':
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=17732.0

Though I also like to think it honours the boys/bhoys of the Royal Irish out in Helmand, too:
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Meanwhile, I see those pesky (Far) West Brits out in Canada are wearing them, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kX_3y3u5Uo

And so as not to be left out, the West Frogs are in on it, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcjnqM6KQsQ&feature=related
What's the third flag on the right hand side of the photo?
Not sure. "Lashkar Gah Celtic Supporters' Club", perhaps?  ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 04, 2010, 07:44:56 PM
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Is everyone ok after seeing that Poppy I posted?

Who gives a flying f...? If people want to wear Poppy, so be it. I really couldn't care less. I certainly won't be on the look out for people that are wearing it, just so I can get annoyed.

Ze goggles, zey do NOTHING!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Minder on November 04, 2010, 07:54:06 PM
I wouldnt think any less of the one in X Factor or folk like that, they have no choice. It is different if you are a big hitter and can just tell whoever is interviewing you to f**k off but most cant.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 04, 2010, 08:25:48 PM
MArk Sidebottom hadn't one last Sat evening. Very surprised, i thought in was compulsory there. Remember Donna Trainor a few years back refused and got into a handling. She definately had one on today.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 04, 2010, 08:38:11 PM
MArk Sidebottom hadn't one last Sat evening. Very surprised, i thought in was compulsory there. Remember Donna Trainor a few years back refused and got into a handling. She definately had one on today.
Sidearse was reporting from the NI Supporters Club on the Shankill this week. I wonder did he wear one there.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 05, 2010, 02:11:10 AM
This time of year Poppies go on sale. Some people buy them so as to donate money to the british security forces, while others buy them to wear as a visible badge of loyalty.
I shall be buying one on the off-chance (no matter how remote) that I might bump into "Pints of Guinness" and be able to 'rub his face in it':
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=17732.0

Though I also like to think it honours the boys/bhoys of the Royal Irish out in Helmand, too:
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Meanwhile, I see those pesky (Far) West Brits out in Canada are wearing them, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kX_3y3u5Uo

And so as not to be left out, the West Frogs are in on it, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcjnqM6KQsQ&feature=related

I don't like that because it gives the impression the Republic is involved. I wouldn't mind so much if Irish Army troops where fighting alongside British Army ones, but Ireland is not involved militarly in Afganistan.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Puckoon on November 05, 2010, 03:00:45 AM
Poppycock
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 05, 2010, 06:43:26 AM
This time of year Poppies go on sale. Some people buy them so as to donate money to the british security forces, while others buy them to wear as a visible badge of loyalty.
I shall be buying one on the off-chance (no matter how remote) that I might bump into "Pints of Guinness" and be able to 'rub his face in it':
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=17732.0

Though I also like to think it honours the boys/bhoys of the Royal Irish out in Helmand, too:
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Meanwhile, I see those pesky (Far) West Brits out in Canada are wearing them, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kX_3y3u5Uo

And so as not to be left out, the West Frogs are in on it, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcjnqM6KQsQ&feature=related

I don't like that because it gives the impression the Republic is involved. I wouldn't mind so much if Irish Army troops where fighting alongside British Army ones, but Ireland is not involved militarly in Afganistan.
If EG's right, then Lashkar Gah Celtic supporters are probably pissed off too.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: omagh_gael on November 05, 2010, 08:27:08 AM
It was quite clearly the soldier on the right who hung up the tricolour. Obviously one of his RIR colleagues (off camera) has his gun trained on him for this act and your man has subsequently surrendered! He also done this all wthout a head, remarkable! ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: aontroim on November 05, 2010, 10:32:52 AM
That photo has US Army troops in it - where did it come from?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Main Street on November 05, 2010, 02:29:42 PM
Isn't it great that those troops in the photo above, can engage in R&R and take heart from all the poppy support back home while they participate in the war of occupation in Afghanistan, to keep Britain safe.
The kill 'any muslim will do' campaign scored a direct hit on 20 civilians in Helmand last month. 
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Not a great return considering all the investment, but better than the 18 killed the week before after a direct hit on a homestead. On scale of human value, an Afghani is about the same as a rat.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thejuice on November 05, 2010, 02:47:31 PM
Aye, As someone living in England and while some of my colleagues wear them, I would never wear one. Even if half the British army was made up of Irish men I still would never wear it. To do so, I feel, for me would be legitimising in my own heart at least, the illegal oil wars in the middle east. While I recognise that our society would crumble with out cheap oil and gas I dont think any of us consented to the invasion of other countries to acquire it.  But then again they don't need our consent all they need is those that give up their lives in blind faith. I will not willingly give one penny, cent nor the lint in my pocket to the soldiers of the invading forces, when the real victims are the people of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Dougal Maguire on November 05, 2010, 09:35:49 PM
There's a huge irony with people on the BBC being forced to wear them. Surely the whole thing about WW1 and 2 was the fight for freedom. Can't see how forcing someone to do something squares up with that.

The other thing that really grinds my gears is people wearing them on their jumper or shirt or blouse when they're in work. This happens quite a lot in the public sector and is uncalled for. Surely the place to wear it is on your outdoor jacket and not about your person at all times.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: muppet on November 05, 2010, 09:42:27 PM
Surely watching the British Broadcasting Corporation and then giving out about it's 'Britishness' is like drinking saltwater and giving out about its saltiness. And then doing it over and over again.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Don Johnson on November 05, 2010, 10:11:52 PM
Surely watching the British Broadcasting Corporation and then giving out about it's 'Britishness' is like drinking saltwater and giving out about its saltiness. And then doing it over and over again.
To add to that analogy, some people can either drink salt water or not drink at all.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 05, 2010, 11:11:12 PM
Aye, As someone living in England and while some of my colleagues wear them, I would never wear one. Even if half the British army was made up of Irish men I still would never wear it. To do so, I feel, for me would be legitimising in my own heart at least, the illegal oil wars in the middle east. While I recognise that our society would crumble with out cheap oil and gas I dont think any of us consented to the invasion of other countries to acquire it.  But then again they don't need our consent all they need is those that give up their lives in blind faith. I will not willingly give one penny, cent nor the lint in my pocket to the soldiers of the invading forces, when the real victims are the people of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Taxpayer in England are you?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 06, 2010, 12:23:32 AM
Aye, As someone living in England and while some of my colleagues wear them, I would never wear one. Even if half the British army was made up of Irish men I still would never wear it. To do so, I feel, for me would be legitimising in my own heart at least, the illegal oil wars in the middle east. While I recognise that our society would crumble with out cheap oil and gas I dont think any of us consented to the invasion of other countries to acquire it.  But then again they don't need our consent all they need is those that give up their lives in blind faith. I will not willingly give one penny, cent nor the lint in my pocket to the soldiers of the invading forces, when the real victims are the people of Iraq and Afghanistan.

You needn't go as far as the middle east to find victims of the british army!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Dougal Maguire on November 06, 2010, 11:45:24 AM
Surely watching the British Broadcasting Corporation and then giving out about it's 'Britishness' is like drinking saltwater and giving out about its saltiness. And then doing it over and over again.

I think you missed the point. Nobody is complaining about the BBC's Britishness, rather they're complaining about the fact that people appearing on the media are being forced to wear a poppy.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thejuice on November 06, 2010, 11:53:12 AM
re:tonyb
Everyone pays taxes. And i can only change how my taxes are spent by my democratic vote and through protest. Did you pay taxes to britain during the troubles? Did that make your objections any less legitimate?
Re nally stand
Indeed.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: muppet on November 07, 2010, 02:27:19 AM
Surely watching the British Broadcasting Corporation and then giving out about it's 'Britishness' is like drinking saltwater and giving out about its saltiness. And then doing it over and over again.

I think you missed the point. Nobody is complaining about the BBC's Britishness, rather they're complaining about the fact that people appearing on the media are being forced to wear a poppy.

You chose that line of debate, citing Jon Snow, who will only wear his for one day.

I am referring to those who seem to take offense at anything British, while watching British TV.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 07, 2010, 02:44:14 AM
I could never wear a symbol dedicated to the a person who shot a family member of mine dead, but I don't mind a English man wearing it in the honour of his grandfather. What really messes my head is these northern prods who take them off the their jacket when they get to work and put it on their tee-shirt
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Fluffy Che on November 07, 2010, 10:27:52 AM
I'm for jury service tomorrow, will l be a headless poppy in a sea of scarlett ? l have no problem with British people wearing it to remember the dead, these were people who fought fascists and Nazis ( not loyalist bottom-feeders who wear it as they paint they're kerbs ) but how can l forget the thugs that served here? As proud as they are to wear it l am also as proud not to..
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Bogball XV on November 08, 2010, 10:52:17 AM
I could never wear a symbol dedicated to the a person who shot a family member of mine dead, but I don't mind a English man wearing it in the honour of his grandfather. What really messes my head is these northern prods who take them off the their jacket when they get to work and put it on their tee-shirt
I don't even mind that too much, it's more the t**sers who can hardly see out the car window for the 'wear your poppy with pride' stickers.  Remember a poppy's not just for the remembrance 6 weeks, buy a sticker and it's there for life!!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Joxer on November 08, 2010, 10:57:00 AM
Didnt see one on Eddie Jordan yesterday on the F1 on BBC1
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Canalman on November 08, 2010, 10:57:52 AM
Would have been critical on Irishmen wearing poppies on British tv on the past but can see now that to not wear one would probably be career finishing.
Haven't seen a single poppy here in Dublin yet.................... usually see one or two (literally) every year.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 08, 2010, 11:03:24 AM
I seen the brit contingent on the late late show on friday night for johnny giles' tribute were wearing them, I can only assume they brought them with them as no one else had them on and maybe i read too much into it but it seemed to be a blunt statement by 2 or 3 of them

i posted before on the grind my gears thread on poppies, some might not have seen it but the pint was some boy landed up to my house to sell them and when i declined he wouldn't take no for an answer, as someone else said, ironic given it is meant to symbolise the fight for freedom of speech etc
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: maldini on November 08, 2010, 11:14:51 AM
Celtic fans protested about it at the wkd - (although they didn't spell 'bloodstained' properly)  ;D

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/veterans-anger-as-celtic-fans-stage-half-time-protest-against-poppies-1.1066550?localLinksEnabled=false
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Square Ball on November 08, 2010, 09:08:20 PM
they could be banning a lot of people then

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/9168655.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/9168655.stm)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 08, 2010, 10:25:33 PM
Bit of a joke of with Celtic. Its not like these fans broke a law by protesting against poppy's? It wasn't rascist or anything was it? So on what charge will they be banned? This is the nasty side of the poppy where freedom of choice is removed - for f**k sake the whole teams in scotland have to have it on their jersey for one weekend!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gerry on November 08, 2010, 10:26:09 PM
Didnt see one on Eddie Jordan yesterday on the F1 on BBC1

he wore one on saturday to

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Orior on November 08, 2010, 10:32:49 PM
Bit of a joke of with Celtic. Its not like these fans broke a law by protesting against poppy's? It wasn't rascist or anything was it? So on what charge will they be banned? This is the nasty side of the poppy where freedom of choice is removed - for f**k sake the whole teams in scotland have to have it on their jersey for one weekend!

Exactly.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: muppet on November 08, 2010, 11:14:52 PM
Gerry where is Eddie's poppy on that photo. All I see are three red dots which are much smaller than the poppy on Coulthard's shirt. Looks like blood or maybe he slaughtered his poppy into bits.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 08, 2010, 11:18:09 PM
Gerry where is Eddie's poppy on that photo. All I see are three red dots which are much smaller than the poppy on Coulthard's shirt. Looks like blood or maybe he slaughtered his poppy into bits.

It's not a poppy its a fire extinguisher
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 08, 2010, 11:25:22 PM
Keith Woods wore one on BBC for the Ireland game, it made me sick.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Dougal Maguire on November 08, 2010, 11:26:54 PM
Surely watching the British Broadcasting Corporation and then giving out about it's 'Britishness' is like drinking saltwater and giving out about its saltiness. And then doing it over and over again.

I think you missed the point. Nobody is complaining about the BBC's Britishness, rather they're complaining about the fact that people appearing on the media are being forced to wear a poppy.

You chose that line of debate, citing Jon Snow, who will only wear his for one day.

I am referring to those who seem to take offense at anything British, while watching British TV.

You are still missing the point. Firstly, I never cited Jon Snow, but the issue is that of presenters and people appearing on the media being forced to wear a poppy, with particular reference to Irish people. I haven't seen one person here complain about British people wearing them, if they choose to do so.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: muppet on November 08, 2010, 11:27:03 PM
Keith Woods wore one on BBC for the Ireland game, it made me sick.

You're not supposed to eat them.  ::)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ziggysego on November 08, 2010, 11:28:44 PM
Lads, I was feeling hungry last night and was too tired to cook something. I ordered in a chippy. The guy that delivered it, was wearing a Poppy. Just want to double check here first. Should I be aggrieved by this, or is it ok to let this one slide?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: town lad on November 08, 2010, 11:32:15 PM
Bit of a joke of with Celtic. Its not like these fans broke a law by protesting against poppy's? It wasn't rascist or anything was it? So on what charge will they be banned? This is the nasty side of the poppy where freedom of choice is removed - for f**k sake the whole teams in scotland have to have it on their jersey for one weekend!
Off course  it was not against the law. But it certainly was in bad taste. Irish Political activists should leave there grapes at the turnstiles. After all Celtic as club practically begging to get into the English Premier league.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: muppet on November 08, 2010, 11:34:12 PM
Surely watching the British Broadcasting Corporation and then giving out about it's 'Britishness' is like drinking saltwater and giving out about its saltiness. And then doing it over and over again.

I think you missed the point. Nobody is complaining about the BBC's Britishness, rather they're complaining about the fact that people appearing on the media are being forced to wear a poppy.

You chose that line of debate, citing Jon Snow, who will only wear his for one day.

I am referring to those who seem to take offense at anything British, while watching British TV.

You are still missing the point. Firstly, I never cited Jon Snow, but the issue is that of presenters and people appearing on the media being forced to wear a poppy, with particular reference to Irish people. I haven't seen one person here complain about British people wearing them, if they choose to do so.

Sorry it was Doogie Browser citing Jon Snow. Confused the names.

Firstly is there any proof that Irish people are being 'forced' to wear poppies? That is what you say the issue is.

Secondly do you see the hypocrisy of giving out about 'British' things while watching British TV. What do you expect? Tracy Piggott always wears Shamrock, on RTE, on Paddy's Day. If any english person gave out about that they would be laughed out of it, and if a Unionist gave we'd have a field day.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Orior on November 08, 2010, 11:37:09 PM
Lads, I was feeling hungry last night and was too tired to cook something. I ordered in a chippy. The guy that delivered it, was wearing a Poppy. Just want to double check here first. Should I be aggrieved by this, or is it ok to let this one slide?

Now why would you be aggrieved Ziggy, ya rascal ziggy, lol. Unless of course, that was all he was wearing?

Actually, that reminds me of how some of the media reported Lady GaGa waving the tricolour in her concert. It made a selection of her audience feel uncomfortable. Why?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Orior on November 08, 2010, 11:39:52 PM
Surely watching the British Broadcasting Corporation and then giving out about it's 'Britishness' is like drinking saltwater and giving out about its saltiness. And then doing it over and over again.

I think you missed the point. Nobody is complaining about the BBC's Britishness, rather they're complaining about the fact that people appearing on the media are being forced to wear a poppy.

You chose that line of debate, citing Jon Snow, who will only wear his for one day.

I am referring to those who seem to take offense at anything British, while watching British TV.

You are still missing the point. Firstly, I never cited Jon Snow, but the issue is that of presenters and people appearing on the media being forced to wear a poppy, with particular reference to Irish people. I haven't seen one person here complain about British people wearing them, if they choose to do so.

Sorry it was Doogie Browser citing Jon Snow. Confused the names.

Firstly is there any proof that Irish people are being 'forced' to wear poppies? That is what you say the issue is.

Secondly do you see the hypocrisy of giving out about 'British' things while watching British TV. What do you expect? Tracy Piggott always wears Shamrock, on RTE, on Paddy's Day. If any english person gave out about that they would be laughed out of it, and if a Unionist gave out we'd have a field day.

Not me. I've had enough gathering shamrock to last me a life time.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Dougal Maguire on November 08, 2010, 11:46:44 PM
Surely watching the British Broadcasting Corporation and then giving out about it's 'Britishness' is like drinking saltwater and giving out about its saltiness. And then doing it over and over again.

I think you missed the point. Nobody is complaining about the BBC's Britishness, rather they're complaining about the fact that people appearing on the media are being forced to wear a poppy.

You chose that line of debate, citing Jon Snow, who will only wear his for one day.

I am referring to those who seem to take offense at anything British, while watching British TV.

You are still missing the point. Firstly, I never cited Jon Snow, but the issue is that of presenters and people appearing on the media being forced to wear a poppy, with particular reference to Irish people. I haven't seen one person here complain about British people wearing them, if they choose to do so.

Sorry it was Doogie Browser citing Jon Snow. Confused the names.

Firstly is there any proof that Irish people are being 'forced' to wear poppies? That is what you say the issue is.

Secondly do you see the hypocrisy of giving out about 'British' things while watching British TV. What do you expect? Tracy Piggott always wears Shamrock, on RTE, on Paddy's Day. If any english person gave out about that they would be laughed out of it, and if a Unionist gave we'd have a field day.

I'm sorry, but you're still missing it. I have no problem with people wearing a poppy on British TV if its their choice, but we learned some years ago from Donna Trainor in the BBC that she was forced to wear one. Thats what I disagree with. I've no problem about the BBC being British and I don't see any evidence on this thread of anyone complaining about this.

Your comparison of the poppy and the shamrock however is absolutely bogus and I hope you realise that. They symbolise 2 completely different things. But on the subject of symbols representing military dead I'd be interested to see how many British people who appeared on Irish TV round Easter time wore Easter lillies
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 11:48:40 PM
Surely watching the British Broadcasting Corporation and then giving out about it's 'Britishness' is like drinking saltwater and giving out about its saltiness. And then doing it over and over again.

I think you missed the point. Nobody is complaining about the BBC's Britishness, rather they're complaining about the fact that people appearing on the media are being forced to wear a poppy.

You chose that line of debate, citing Jon Snow, who will only wear his for one day.

I am referring to those who seem to take offense at anything British, while watching British TV.

You are still missing the point. Firstly, I never cited Jon Snow, but the issue is that of presenters and people appearing on the media being forced to wear a poppy, with particular reference to Irish people. I haven't seen one person here complain about British people wearing them, if they choose to do so.

Sorry it was Doogie Browser citing Jon Snow. Confused the names.

Firstly is there any proof that Irish people are being 'forced' to wear poppies? That is what you say the issue is.

Secondly do you see the hypocrisy of giving out about 'British' things while watching British TV. What do you expect? Tracy Piggott always wears Shamrock, on RTE, on Paddy's Day. If any english person gave out about that they would be laughed out of it, and if a Unionist gave we'd have a field day.

I'm sorry, but you're still missing it. I have no problem with people wearing a poppy on British TV if its their choice, but we learned some years ago from Donna Trainor in the BBC that she was forced to wear one. Thats what I disagree with. I've no problem about the BBC being British and I don't see any evidence on this thread of anyone complaining about this.

Your comparison of the poppy and the shamrock however is absolutely bogus and I hope you realise that. They symbolise 2 completely different things. But on the subject of symbols representing military dead I'd be interested to see how many British people who appeared on Irish TV round Easter time wore Easter lillies

How many Irish wear Easter lilies might be just as relevant a question!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 09, 2010, 01:21:09 AM
Keith Woods wore one on BBC for the Ireland game, it made me sick.

You're not supposed to eat them.  ::)

Well I defiantly found it hard to swallow.   ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ballinaman on November 09, 2010, 01:26:36 AM
Keith Woods wore one on BBC for the Ireland game, it made me sick.

You're not supposed to eat them.  ::)

Well I defiantly found it hard to swallow.   ;)
Thats what she said.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 09, 2010, 10:39:48 AM
Comparing the Shamrock to the Poppy? Symbols synonymous with each country? Yes.
That is where the similarities end. Not a valid parallel to draw.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hardy on November 09, 2010, 11:51:04 AM
Keith Woods wore one on BBC for the Ireland game, it made me sick.

You're not supposed to eat them.  ::)

Well I defiantly found it hard to swallow.   ;)

You can't beat a bit of defiance.

(Who's Keith Woods?)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: muppet on November 09, 2010, 12:17:54 PM
Comparing the Shamrock to the Poppy? Symbols synonymous with each country? Yes.
That is where the similarities end. Not a valid parallel to draw.

In a polarised land maybe.

Both are widely worn in both countries.

As for the Easter Lily, this is obviously a wind up.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 09, 2010, 01:22:36 PM
Comparing the Shamrock to the Poppy? Symbols synonymous with each country? Yes.
That is where the similarities end. Not a valid parallel to draw.

In a polarised land maybe.

Both are widely worn in both countries.

As for the Easter Lily, this is obviously a wind up.

Both are widely worn but as I say, it's where the similarities end. The Shamrock is not for fund raising and it certainly is not for the benefit of occupational forces.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: wherefromreferee? on November 09, 2010, 02:02:09 PM
Think I saw something on daybreak this morning where a female employee of A&F was asked to remove her poppy?  Company policy.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 09, 2010, 07:46:42 PM
Keith Woods wore one on BBC for the Ireland game, it made me sick.

You're not supposed to eat them.  ::)

Well I defiantly found it hard to swallow.   ;)

You can't beat a bit of defiance.

(Who's Keith Woods?)

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gerry on November 09, 2010, 07:53:35 PM
Gerry where is Eddie's poppy on that photo. All I see are three red dots which are much smaller than the poppy on Coulthard's shirt. Looks like blood or maybe he slaughtered his poppy into bits.

for whats its worth he had a larger one on saturday the was slightly hide by the lapel of his jacket
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Dougal Maguire on November 09, 2010, 08:06:01 PM
Comparing the Shamrock to the Poppy? Symbols synonymous with each country? Yes.
That is where the similarities end. Not a valid parallel to draw.

In a polarised land maybe.

Both are widely worn in both countries.

As for the Easter Lily, this is obviously a wind up.

In what respect is this a wind up?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 09, 2010, 08:12:29 PM
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Surely watching the British Broadcasting Corporation and then giving out about it's 'Britishness' is like drinking saltwater and giving out about its saltiness. And then doing it over and over again.


I think you missed the point. Nobody is complaining about the BBC's Britishness, rather they're complaining about the fact that people appearing on the media are being forced to wear a poppy.


You chose that line of debate, citing Jon Snow, who will only wear his for one day.

I am referring to those who seem to take offense at anything British, while watching British TV.


You are still missing the point. Firstly, I never cited Jon Snow, but the issue is that of presenters and people appearing on the media being forced to wear a poppy, with particular reference to Irish people. I haven't seen one person here complain about British people wearing them, if they choose to do so.


Sorry it was Doogie Browser citing Jon Snow. Confused the names.

Firstly is there any proof that Irish people are being 'forced' to wear poppies? That is what you say the issue is.

Secondly do you see the hypocrisy of giving out about 'British' things while watching British TV. What do you expect? Tracy Piggott always wears Shamrock, on RTE, on Paddy's Day. If any english person gave out about that they would be laughed out of it, and if a Unionist gave we'd have a field day.


I'm sorry, but you're still missing it. I have no problem with people wearing a poppy on British TV if its their choice, but we learned some years ago from Donna Trainor in the BBC that she was forced to wear one. Thats what I disagree with. I've no problem about the BBC being British and I don't see any evidence on this thread of anyone complaining about this.

Your comparison of the poppy and the shamrock however is absolutely bogus and I hope you realise that. They symbolise 2 completely different things. But on the subject of symbols representing military dead I'd be interested to see how many British people who appeared on Irish TV round Easter time wore Easter lillies


How many Irish wear Easter lilies might be just as relevant a question!

Well I think it is quite obvious that you are no more a nationalist than Myles Na G, Gallsman, you are obviously from 'the other side' attempting to masquerade as a Nationalist, the game is up and the mask is off
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 09, 2010, 08:36:55 PM
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Surely watching the British Broadcasting Corporation and then giving out about it's 'Britishness' is like drinking saltwater and giving out about its saltiness. And then doing it over and over again.


I think you missed the point. Nobody is complaining about the BBC's Britishness, rather they're complaining about the fact that people appearing on the media are being forced to wear a poppy.


You chose that line of debate, citing Jon Snow, who will only wear his for one day.

I am referring to those who seem to take offense at anything British, while watching British TV.


You are still missing the point. Firstly, I never cited Jon Snow, but the issue is that of presenters and people appearing on the media being forced to wear a poppy, with particular reference to Irish people. I haven't seen one person here complain about British people wearing them, if they choose to do so.


Sorry it was Doogie Browser citing Jon Snow. Confused the names.

Firstly is there any proof that Irish people are being 'forced' to wear poppies? That is what you say the issue is.

Secondly do you see the hypocrisy of giving out about 'British' things while watching British TV. What do you expect? Tracy Piggott always wears Shamrock, on RTE, on Paddy's Day. If any english person gave out about that they would be laughed out of it, and if a Unionist gave we'd have a field day.


I'm sorry, but you're still missing it. I have no problem with people wearing a poppy on British TV if its their choice, but we learned some years ago from Donna Trainor in the BBC that she was forced to wear one. Thats what I disagree with. I've no problem about the BBC being British and I don't see any evidence on this thread of anyone complaining about this.

Your comparison of the poppy and the shamrock however is absolutely bogus and I hope you realise that. They symbolise 2 completely different things. But on the subject of symbols representing military dead I'd be interested to see how many British people who appeared on Irish TV round Easter time wore Easter lillies


How many Irish wear Easter lilies might be just as relevant a question!

Well I think it is quite obvious that you are no more a nationalist than Myles Na G, Gallsman, you are obviously from 'the other side' attempting to masquerade as a Nationalist, the game is up and the mask is off
Why do you say this? Outside of republican memorials Easter lilies are like hens teeth usually. His point is very valid.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 09, 2010, 08:44:27 PM
Other than on TV / in the paper, I can't recall ever seeing anyone wear an Easter Lilly.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: haranguerer on November 09, 2010, 08:55:17 PM
Keith Woods wore one on BBC for the Ireland game, it made me sick.

You're not supposed to eat them.  ::)

Well I defiantly found it hard to swallow.   ;)

You can't beat a bit of defiance.

(Who's Keith Woods?
)

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Thats not Keith Woods
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2010, 09:05:32 PM
Would it be fair to say if you dislike people wearing a poppy then you're intolerant? I could not careless if someone was wearing a poppy all year, makes no difference to my life, job or my family.

If you are wound up over people you don't know, hang around with or have an influence in your life then i find it very sad.

Just my opinion
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 09, 2010, 09:07:13 PM
Other than on TV / in the paper, I can't recall ever seeing anyone wear an Easter Lilly.

At easter in Killeshandra when I was in my early 20's they used to sell easter lillys in the pubs and most would buy them (except the protestants) but it seems to have died a death. Can't remember the last time I saw them on sale. Maybe we should form a cult demanding everyone wears them or else...
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armagho9 on November 09, 2010, 09:20:37 PM
Other than on TV / in the paper, I can't recall ever seeing anyone wear an Easter Lilly.

At easter in Killeshandra when I was in my early 20's they used to sell easter lillys in the pubs and most would buy them (except the protestants) but it seems to have died a death. Can't remember the last time I saw them on sale. Maybe we should form a cult demanding everyone wears them or else...

still happens in Armagh town and most people still get them
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: snoopdog on November 09, 2010, 09:22:45 PM
just watching RTE news and some irish business man Kinsella was wearing a poppy.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 09, 2010, 09:37:32 PM
Other than on TV / in the paper, I can't recall ever seeing anyone wear an Easter Lilly.

At easter in Killeshandra when I was in my early 20's they used to sell easter lillys in the pubs and most would buy them (except the protestants) but it seems to have died a death. Can't remember the last time I saw them on sale. Maybe we should form a cult demanding everyone wears them or else...

still happens in Armagh town and most people still get them
Most people? Really?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: snoopdog on November 09, 2010, 09:42:41 PM
Lads i would have my opinions on Poppys and i wouldnt buy one. But i feel this linki is a bit pointless and maybe even hypocritical. How many of us have relatives who fought in World War 1 or 2 or even both.
I am all for remembering the dead of those 2 wars, alot of them were Irish and they died for a cause against a greater evil.
But im sure some people posting on this site would have prefered if the Nazis had won the war.
I just think people get annoyed every year over this whole poppy thing and for what.
The irish on tv in the uk that wear it most of them havent a clue what happened in the north during the troubles, wewere put to the back of their minds as it didnteffect the vast majority of them.
maybe it would serve better to educate them on the troubles than getting all hot and bothered as these guys arent really making a statement as they prob are not really sure what it is all about.
i have lived down here long enough to know the vast majority dont really know what the troubles were about.

ON another note Manchester United will be the only club in the premiership not to have a poppy sewn on to their shirts this weekend.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Main Street on November 09, 2010, 09:50:15 PM
Stoke 3 Birmingham 2
Stoke's manager Pulis did not wear a poppy, in contrast to Birmingham's manager McLeish, who wore one.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 09, 2010, 09:53:34 PM
Lads i would have my opinions on Poppys and i wouldnt buy one. But i feel this linki is a bit pointless and maybe even hypocritical. How many of us have relatives who fought in World War 1 or 2 or even both.
I am all for remembering the dead of those 2 wars, alot of them were Irish and they died for a cause against a greater evil.
But im sure some people posting on this site would have prefered if the Nazis had won the war.
I just think people get annoyed every year over this whole poppy thing and for what.
The irish on tv in the uk that wear it most of them havent a clue what happened in the north during the troubles, wewere put to the back of their minds as it didnteffect the vast majority of them.
maybe it would serve better to educate them on the troubles than getting all hot and bothered as these guys arent really making a statement as they prob are not really sure what it is all about.
i have lived down here long enough to know the vast majority dont really know what the troubles were about.

ON another note Manchester United will be the only club in the premiership not to have a poppy sewn on to their shirts this weekend.

And I would suggest that if an emblem were produced which would be specific to those lost in the world wars, then the Irish people could wear them happily however the poppy appeal is not specific to WW veterans. It is also worn in support of, and for the financial benefit of, the scumbags who ran rampage in Ireland/Afghanistan/Iraq.

i have lived down here long enough to know the vast majority dont really know what the troubles were about.

It's to the shame of many (most?) in the south who don't know and don't want to know about the injustices and bloodshed (from both sides) which occurred in our own country. Sure as long as my county is one of the 26 free one's who gives a f**k about the north. Free-Stateism at it's worst.

ON another note Manchester United will be the only club in the premiership not to have a poppy sewn on to their shirts this weekend.
Why's that Snoop? Pity Celtic and plenty more besides wouldn't do likewise and not bow to poppy fascism.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armagho9 on November 09, 2010, 09:54:47 PM
Other than on TV / in the paper, I can't recall ever seeing anyone wear an Easter Lilly.

At easter in Killeshandra when I was in my early 20's they used to sell easter lillys in the pubs and most would buy them (except the protestants) but it seems to have died a death. Can't remember the last time I saw them on sale. Maybe we should form a cult demanding everyone wears them or else...

still happens in Armagh town and most people still get them
Most people? Really?

well i have never counted but certainly alot
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armagho9 on November 09, 2010, 09:59:36 PM
Lads i would have my opinions on Poppys and i wouldnt buy one. But i feel this linki is a bit pointless and maybe even hypocritical. How many of us have relatives who fought in World War 1 or 2 or even both.
I am all for remembering the dead of those 2 wars, alot of them were Irish and they died for a cause against a greater evil.
But im sure some people posting on this site would have prefered if the Nazis had won the war.
I just think people get annoyed every year over this whole poppy thing and for what.
The irish on tv in the uk that wear it most of them havent a clue what happened in the north during the troubles, wewere put to the back of their minds as it didnteffect the vast majority of them.
maybe it would serve better to educate them on the troubles than getting all hot and bothered as these guys arent really making a statement as they prob are not really sure what it is all about.
i have lived down here long enough to know the vast majority dont really know what the troubles were about.

ON another note Manchester United will be the only club in the premiership not to have a poppy sewn on to their shirts this weekend.

And I would suggest that if an emblem were produced which would be specific to those lost in the world wars, then the Irish people could wear them happily however the poppy appeal is not specific to WW veterans. It is also worn in support of, and for the financial benefit of, the scumbags who ran rampage in Ireland/Afghanistan/Iraq.

i have lived down here long enough to know the vast majority dont really know what the troubles were about.

It's to the shame of many (most?) in the south who don't know and don't want to know about the injustices and bloodshed (from both sides) which occurred in our own country. Sure as long as my county is one of the 26 free one's who gives a f**k about the north. Free-Stateism at it's worst.

ON another note Manchester United will be the only club in the premiership not to have a poppy sewn on to their shirts this weekend.
Why's that Snoop? Pity Celtic and plenty more besides wouldn't do likewise and not bow to poppy fascism.

unfortunately alot of people seem to think it is only to do with the world wars
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: rosnarun on November 09, 2010, 10:26:09 PM
Keith Woods wore one on BBC for the Ireland game, it made me sick.

You're not supposed to eat them.  ::)

Well I defiantly found it hard to swallow.   ;)

You can't beat a bit of defiance.

(Who's Keith Woods?
)

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look at the shape of the ball that all you need to know
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: muppet on November 09, 2010, 10:33:35 PM
Ireland is going bankrupt and there are people more worried about other people wearing flowers.

Come to think of it that is probably why were are going bankrupt.......
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Bogball XV on November 09, 2010, 10:38:32 PM
I think you missed the point. Nobody is complaining about the BBC's Britishness, rather they're complaining about the fact that people appearing on the media are being forced to wear a poppy.

You chose that line of debate, citing Jon Snow, who will only wear his for one day.

I am referring to those who seem to take offense at anything British, while watching British TV.
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You are still missing the point. Firstly, I never cited Jon Snow, but the issue is that of presenters and people appearing on the media being forced to wear a poppy, with particular reference to Irish people. I haven't seen one person here complain about British people wearing them, if they choose to do so.
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Sorry it was Doogie Browser citing Jon Snow. Confused the names.

Firstly is there any proof that Irish people are being 'forced' to wear poppies? That is what you say the issue is.

Secondly do you see the hypocrisy of giving out about 'British' things while watching British TV. What do you expect? Tracy Piggott always wears Shamrock, on RTE, on Paddy's Day. If any english person gave out about that they would be laughed out of it, and if a Unionist gave we'd have a field day.
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I heard Robert Ballagh say that Donna Trainer (sic?) on BBC NI was threatened with the sack if she didn't wear one - can't comment on the veracity or otherwise of that, but I know that such is the extent of the poppy facism, it would most likely have been intimated to her.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 09, 2010, 10:56:47 PM
Keith Woods wore one on BBC for the Ireland game, it made me sick.

You're not supposed to eat them.  ::)

Well I defiantly found it hard to swallow.   ;)

You can't beat a bit of defiance.

(Who's Keith Woods?
)

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Thats not Keith Woods

look at the shape of the ball that all you need to know

Are you lads being pedantic, thats Keith Woods
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: snoopdog on November 09, 2010, 11:00:13 PM
Lads i would have my opinions on Poppys and i wouldnt buy one. But i feel this linki is a bit pointless and maybe even hypocritical. How many of us have relatives who fought in World War 1 or 2 or even both.
I am all for remembering the dead of those 2 wars, alot of them were Irish and they died for a cause against a greater evil.
But im sure some people posting on this site would have prefered if the Nazis had won the war.
I just think people get annoyed every year over this whole poppy thing and for what.
The irish on tv in the uk that wear it most of them havent a clue what happened in the north during the troubles, wewere put to the back of their minds as it didnteffect the vast majority of them.
maybe it would serve better to educate them on the troubles than getting all hot and bothered as these guys arent really making a statement as they prob are not really sure what it is all about.
i have lived down here long enough to know the vast majority dont really know what the troubles were about.

ON another note Manchester United will be the only club in the premiership not to have a poppy sewn on to their shirts this weekend.

And I would suggest that if an emblem were produced which would be specific to those lost in the world wars, then the Irish people could wear them happily however the poppy appeal is not specific to WW veterans. It is also worn in support of, and for the financial benefit of, the scumbags who ran rampage in Ireland/Afghanistan/Iraq.

i have lived down here long enough to know the vast majority dont really know what the troubles were about.

It's to the shame of many (most?) in the south who don't know and don't want to know about the injustices and bloodshed (from both sides) which occurred in our own country. Sure as long as my county is one of the 26 free one's who gives a f**k about the north. Free-Stateism at it's worst.

ON another note Manchester United will be the only club in the premiership not to have a poppy sewn on to their shirts this weekend.
Why's that Snoop? Pity Celtic and plenty more besides wouldn't do likewise and not bow to poppy fascism.
Im not totally sure why. I think it is more to do with the reason that one of the tabloids was pressuruising teams into wearing it. United just said they didnt need to wear it to show support.
They played Chelsea at stamford bridge last year and the pensioners got upset
Maybe they will wear it this year but i read somewhere that they wont.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2010, 11:09:28 PM
Bogball, if that is true then the BBC would be open to a serious court action, wearing a poppy would be a choice I'd imagine she takes herself. Radio and TV presenters say Londonderry are they also being forced to say that also??

Getting beyond a joke, who really gives a flying FCUK??? Sad sad sad. Maybe when we stop thinking about other religions and worry about things that really matter in life then Ireland could be in a better place.

Living through the troubles was enough for me. seeing some of the things that went on over those years is a place where I wouldn't want to bring my kids up in. But if the hatered still continues (as it does on this board) I'd have no problem leaving.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: rosnarun on November 09, 2010, 11:14:55 PM
what have poppies got to do with religion?
they are a celebration of englands war efforts and the soldiers that survive them.. that includes the Irish Wars and the mercenaries from Eire that fought for them.
support it if you will but call a spade a spade and dont't try and Drag religion into it
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 09, 2010, 11:19:11 PM
what have poppies got to do with religion?
they are a celebration of englands war efforts and the soldiers that survive them.. that includes the Irish Wars and the mercenaries from Eire that fought for them.
support it if you will but call a spade a spade and dont't try and Drag religion into it

I don't often argee with Rosnarun but I find the Poppy disturbing they provide financial support for groups that have done terrible things in Ireland. I have no problem with people Irish or otherwise commemorating war dead. I may even attend such a commemoration, but I will not provide financial support. Despite what people say and despite some (in more recent times) French and Germans wearing them, it is a symbol of the British Empire and the British Commonwealth that does not sit easily with me. Irish people are clearly being strong armed into wearing them on U.K. tv, I am sure many would out of choice but I am pretty sure many more would not.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Orior on November 09, 2010, 11:31:49 PM
Gusty Spence (probably wearing a poppy) calls the the UVF to be disbanded.

I reckon the UVF will give him the V sign and say F U.

 
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: fitzroyalty on November 10, 2010, 12:22:56 AM
What are peoples thoughts on an individual who wears TWO poppies?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Orior on November 10, 2010, 12:52:57 AM
What are peoples thoughts on an individual who wears TWO poppies?

Twice as loyal, or else suffering from Alzheimer's
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 10, 2010, 08:31:57 AM
What are peoples thoughts on an individual who wears TWO poppies?

Twice as loyal, or else suffering from Alzheimer's

 :D Nice one
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 10, 2010, 10:27:21 AM
Are you lads being pedantic, thats Keith Woods

They're being pedantic. Niall Woods has a lot to answer for

I don't blame Keith Wood for wearing a poppy. It's all very well for the likes of Jon Snow making a statement,  but he is a national treasure working for the hep cats at Channel 4. People expect stuff like this. They do not expect statements from outsiders, and Keith Wood has to make a living
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Bogball XV on November 10, 2010, 10:46:45 AM
Bogball, if that is true then the BBC would be open to a serious court action, wearing a poppy would be a choice I'd imagine she takes herself. Radio and TV presenters say Londonderry are they also being forced to say that also??

The Derry/Londonderry protocol is established, I just don't remember what way.  It's something like they say Londonderry first and then Derry thereafter or vice versa?

Re the Donna Traynor (sic) story, I'd reckon that it was unlikely to have been said in plain language, more likely she was given the impression that she'd no choice - sure she might start posting on here giving us her side of the story soon ;)

I'd agree in general though, I don't care if people wear them or not, it's the bitter cnuts who have the car plastered in the stickers and the rampant facism that annoys me.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 10, 2010, 11:16:31 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2010, 11:09:28 PM
Bogball, if that is true then the BBC would be open to a serious court action, wearing a poppy would be a choice I'd imagine she takes herself. Radio and TV presenters say Londonderry are they also being forced to say that also??


The Derry/Londonderry protocol is established, I just don't remember what way.  It's something like they say Londonderry first and then Derry thereafter or vice versa?

Re the Donna Traynor (sic) story, I'd reckon that it was unlikely to have been said in plain language, more likely she was given the impression that she'd no choice - sure she might start posting on here giving us her side of the story soon

I'd agree in general though, I don't care if people wear them or not, it's the bitter cnuts who have the car plastered in the stickers and the rampant facism that annoys me.

It's Londonderry first then derry then presenter's choice thereafter....
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 10, 2010, 12:42:16 PM
page 8 of the irish news shows patrick kielty meeting camilla at the irish embassy and he wasn't sporting a poppy, good man paddy, that crawler holmes is an it would be interesting to see durkan's lapel, pity camilla is blocking the view...
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 10, 2010, 01:17:02 PM
page 8 of the irish news shows patrick kielty meeting camilla at the irish embassy and he wasn't sporting a poppy, good man paddy, that crawler holmes is an it would be interesting to see durkan's lapel, pity camilla is blocking the view...

Do you really care that much? How does anyone know exactly what reason somebody wears a poppy for? For all we know Durkan and other like him may have had relatives who went off to fight for the Brits in various wars and may wish to honour them.

Saw Kevin Myers in the Independent in work today - perhaps the first time I've ever read one of his pieces and not wanted to punch him.

As for people claiming the wearing of Easter Lilies is widespread... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 10, 2010, 01:31:24 PM
page 8 of the irish news shows patrick kielty meeting camilla at the irish embassy and he wasn't sporting a poppy, good man paddy, that crawler holmes is an it would be interesting to see durkan's lapel, pity camilla is blocking the view...
If by "that crawler holmes" you mean Eamonn Holmes, then I suspect his reasons are very personal:

"Eamonn Holmes was one of eight presenters who participated in the My Family at War BBC TV series, to find out the role his grandfather Jack had played in the Great War of 1914-1918. Joanna and Eamonn spent a fascinating few hours in the exact location on the Somme battlefield where Jack had spent the night before going into action with the Irish Guards on 15th September 1916."
http://www.greatwar.co.uk/whoweare.htm

From what I recall of the programme, Holmes's grandfather (from the Falls?) was badly injured in the War, and was then rather ignored by "the Brits" on his return, and shunned by Nationalists etc in turn.

His health was broken and he eventually died some years later, as a direct result of his service.

Before he made the above TV programme, Holmes was only vaguely aware of his grandfather's story.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: upmonaghansayswe on November 10, 2010, 01:50:53 PM
Other than on TV / in the paper, I can't recall ever seeing anyone wear an Easter Lilly.

Really..I thought it was the norm in our parts.. Every Good Friday they are sold at the gates of the chapel.. Mind you they`ve just become an "i vote for Sinn Fein" symbol..
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 10, 2010, 03:48:57 PM
Lads I have relatives who fought in both world wars fighting for the 'allies' that doesn't mean I run out and wear a poppy. I don't agree with the poppy plain and simple. I will also point out that I am not my brother's keeper and cannot be responsible for their actions, one of which was a Welshman and he was forced into war via conscription. It represents all fallen British servicemen and doesn't differentiate on the wars they fought in or the rationale behind their going to war in the first instance. It is too wide a category for a one size fits all symbol.
 
That's why it annoys me when people say it represents the fight for freedom, where was that in the 'war' in Ireland or the colonial wars on continental Africa or modern day Iraq, afghanistan etc.

EG - I have no doubt that holmes' grandfather did go off and fight in the war and was shunnd upon his return. As happened to countless others. This further highlights the division within the nationalist community over the taking to arms at the behest of Britain an why the poppy is still such a divisive symbol.

What is forgotten is the 'enforced' immigration, my grandfather worked in England during WW2 and he often told me of having to go across to England. The reason being work was scarce and there was no such thing as landing down to the 'bru' office ona Tuesday morning. England's workforce, especially on the larger farms was decimated due to the conscription of her young men. A scheme was introduced whereby the Irish were forced to go to England to work if they were not working at home, most work in the North was filled by 'good loyal citizens' first to help in the war effort. I'd wear an emblem that commerorates the men uprooted from here and had to leave young families behind to go to a land that greeted them with signs such as 'no Irish here' in order to feed their families.

Btw Gallsman have you gotten over your crush on Nally and replaced it with me, you seem to be stalking me too now.

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 10, 2010, 04:39:59 PM
I don't agree with the poppy plain and simple.
Fine. Don't buy one, then.

EG - I have no doubt that holmes' grandfather did go off and fight in the war and was shunnd upon his return. As happened to countless others.
First you make a derogatory remark about Homes, without knowing the first thing about him or his (likely) reason for wearing a Poppy.
Then when you are appraised of same, you refuse to retract, qualify or even moderate your original comment.
Which considering you, like many (most?) Irish people have a not dissimliar family history to Holmes, is especially distasteful.
In the end, it is about tolerance and respect. You choose not to wear a Poppy, despite your grandfather's experience. Fine - no-one is forcing you to wear one.
By contrast, Holmes decides to wear one because of  his grandfather's experience.
Imo, that all says more about you and your intolerance, than it does about Holmes.

This further highlights the division within the nationalist community over the taking to arms at the behest of Britain an why the poppy is still such a divisive symbol.
Nonsense.

Of course, many Nationalists dislike the Poppy because, eg, it evokes bitter memories of the British Army etc.

Then again, I can't stand the sight eg of Martin McGuinness, for his past record in the Provos etc, and despair that he has got to be DFM. Nonetheless, I accept his right to be there and would react accordingly if I ever had to have dealings with him.

In the end, the Poppy could only be considered "divisive", and the blame laid at the door of Britain, if Nationalists in Ireland were forced to wear it by "the Brits". They aren't.

Therefore the only people who make it "divisive" are those people like you who will not tolerate others who choose to wear one, even when they know nothing about the wearer's motives for doing so.

Pathetic.


Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 10, 2010, 05:23:01 PM
On your point of don’t buy one, I didn’t realise I had to justify to you whether or not I buy one. I haven’t bought one, refuse to (despite people calling to my back door) and won’t. Case closed.

Why would I retract or rephrase anything? I stand over what I said. Just because you deem it necessary doesn’t make it a valid point.

Don’t forget EG you profess that the poppy represents the freedom of speech, among other things and you try to refuse my right to same. You sensing any irony yet up on your moral highground or how long will it take to filter up to there? Now that’s what I call pathetic.

And you do know about Holmes do you? I tell from what I do know he would be safer worrying more about his ‘role’ in the lives of his first family that he left to flight to England than the ‘role’ his grandfather played in a foreign field.

Hardly a shining light and one that you are proud to have wearing a poppy. David Cameron is right when he talks of broken Britain and the loss of family values, a Britain you so love and reinforce. I think that says a lot about you.

Nationalists in Ireland are forced to wear it, the Nationalists that read the news on BBC, are they not Nationalists in Ireland? Or do you have to sign a waiver relinquishing any ties to the people you come from when you enter the gates at the ‘beeb’?

As for the point of myself not wearing a poppy DESPITE my grandfather’s experience, you have either missed the point or don’t read what I write but instead decide to put your spin on it. My story of my grandfather reinforces my opinion of not wearing one as it was forced labour conscription that tore families apart and is therefore another example of why (some) Nationalists hate to commemorate a war they owed nothing to or from.

And where did I ever say I wouldn’t tolerate anyone wearing it? I think you should check your facts before you start firing any more wild accusations about my good friend.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: red hander on November 10, 2010, 07:15:01 PM
I believe the SDLP leader is to wear a poppy on Sunday ... saying nothing, just putting it out there.

Anybody read Brian Feeney in the Irish News today about the history of atrocities carried out by the British army and still being perpetrated up to the present day?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 10, 2010, 07:42:19 PM
I believe the SDLP leader is to wear a poppy on Sunday ... saying nothing, just putting it out there.

Sounds about right. It's not long (March '10) since her party voted for dozens of british army plaques to adorn the walls of Belfast City Hall, including several dedicated to the UDR  :-\
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 10, 2010, 08:57:58 PM
page 8 of the irish news shows patrick kielty meeting camilla at the irish embassy and he wasn't sporting a poppy, good man paddy
So meeting the royals is grand, but wearing a poppy isn't? Where's the logic there?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 10, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
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Quote from: Banana Man on Today at 12:42:16 PM
page 8 of the irish news shows patrick kielty meeting camilla at the irish embassy and he wasn't sporting a poppy, good man paddy

So meeting the royals is grand, but wearing a poppy isn't? Where's the logic there?

Seeing as you have quoted from me i take it you are referring to me, where did I bring the royal family into it? This thread is on poppies, I know you have form of going off on a tangent to deflect away from some other point but this is unreal, you are trying to change the topic that I am discussing

If you want to discuss your beloved stoops meeting the royals then start a new thread on it, that's a whole different discussion, one could even argue the royals have yet to be mentioned as Camilla is not a royal but a Duchess
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Rossfan on November 10, 2010, 09:30:51 PM
Just for the record I nor anyone belonging to me ever wore a poppy or ever will (I hope).  ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 10, 2010, 10:58:53 PM
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Quote from: Banana Man on Today at 12:42:16 PM
page 8 of the irish news shows patrick kielty meeting camilla at the irish embassy and he wasn't sporting a poppy, good man paddy

So meeting the royals is grand, but wearing a poppy isn't? Where's the logic there?

Seeing as you have quoted from me i take it you are referring to me, where did I bring the royal family into it? This thread is on poppies, I know you have form of going off on a tangent to deflect away from some other point but this is unreal, you are trying to change the topic that I am discussing
Surely you can see where the reference to the royal family came from(?)
And where's the 'tangent'? Do you have a problem with people discussing lillies, shamrocks, Derry vs Londonderry on this thread as well? Maybe they're "going off on a tangent to reflect away from some other point".

If you want to discuss your beloved stoops meeting the royals then start a new thread on it, that's a whole different discussion
I don't really care who meets the royals.

one could even argue the royals have yet to be mentioned as Camilla is not a royal but a Duchess
'One' could, but why would 'one' bother?
...especially considering she is a royal:
http://www.royal.gov.uk/ThecurrentRoyalFamily/TheDuchessofCornwall/TheDuchessofCornwall.aspx



(And please, find the 'quote' button at the top right of the post you want to quote - it's a lot easier to follow who has said what.)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Orior on November 11, 2010, 12:20:21 AM
Great link there Maguire01.

I've just had hours of fun surfing the royals.

The only strange thing about Camila's website is that it does not mention the fact she was screwing Charlie while he was still married to Diana.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 11, 2010, 09:03:19 AM
I don't have a problem with other people going off on a tangent as long as they don't then try to use that tangent to form an argument with myself. Unlike you, you have engaged me by using a tangent. I mentioned Ms Parker Bowles as Patrick Kielty was meeting her, if he had been meeting an African leader for example I wouldn't then have mentioned the ills of African society and done a running commentary on the rights or wrongs based on the Continent's history of genocidal warfare.

As regards using the quote button to make it easier for you, why should I? Do you think I have to mention what I want in a format that is more aesthetically pleasing to you Maguire?

As for the pathetic use of inverted commas around my use of the word one, that says more about your limited education than mine and further debased the value of any further comments you have to make.

What I do know is if you mention SDLP or stoop at all the 'Maguire alarm' goes off and you scramble to justify whatever they done. I would wager if Ms Ritchie told you the sky was green you would believe her. You fail to engage in rationale debate on a given topic unless there is a party line or soundbite to roll out. In a way I envy your blind faith, in another way i seriously pity your complete lack of intelligence. (I think it's pity more than anything I have for you to be honest).
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on November 11, 2010, 10:54:47 AM
Poppy Watch?, I'd watch these poppies............. ;D ;D ;D


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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 11, 2010, 10:56:14 AM
I don't have a problem with other people going off on a tangent as long as they don't then try to use that tangent to form an argument with myself. Unlike you, you have engaged me by using a tangent. I mentioned Ms Parker Bowles as Patrick Kielty was meeting her, if he had been meeting an African leader for example I wouldn't then have mentioned the ills of African society and done a running commentary on the rights or wrongs based on the Continent's history of genocidal warfare.

As regards using the quote button to make it easier for you, why should I? Do you think I have to mention what I want in a format that is more aesthetically pleasing to you Maguire?

As for the pathetic use of inverted commas around my use of the word one, that says more about your limited education than mine and further debased the value of any further comments you have to make.

What I do know is if you mention SDLP or stoop at all the 'Maguire alarm' goes off and you scramble to justify whatever they done. I would wager if Ms Ritchie told you the sky was green you would believe her. You fail to engage in rationale debate on a given topic unless there is a party line or soundbite to roll out. In a way I envy your blind faith, in another way i seriously pity your complete lack of intelligence. (I think it's pity more than anything I have for you to be honest).

Pathetic
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Minder on November 11, 2010, 11:14:44 AM
The whole poppy shite usually doesent bother me but the girl that sits across from me at work has put her poppy, not on her person, but on the top right hand corner of her monitor. So I got my wife to ring my mobile at 11am and put it on loud ringer so I could get out. I got a quare look. Won't be long to Ireland is free with a bucko like me about.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 11, 2010, 11:15:25 AM
Just for the record I nor anyone belonging to me ever wore a poppy or ever will (I hope).  ;)

At the risk of sounding all Joan Lingard on it, trust me - it's not a big deal. Given the choice between a poppy wearer or someone who supports Tipperary . . .
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 11, 2010, 11:17:58 AM
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The whole poppy shite usually doesent bother me but the girl that sits across from me at work has put her poppy, not on her person, but on the top right hand corner of her monitor. So I got my wife to ring my mobile at 11am and put it on loud ringer so I could get out. I got a quare look. Won't be long to Ireland is free with a bucko like me about.

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 11, 2010, 11:23:43 AM
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Quote from: Banana Man on Today at 09:03:19 AM
I don't have a problem with other people going off on a tangent as long as they don't then try to use that tangent to form an argument with myself. Unlike you, you have engaged me by using a tangent. I mentioned Ms Parker Bowles as Patrick Kielty was meeting her, if he had been meeting an African leader for example I wouldn't then have mentioned the ills of African society and done a running commentary on the rights or wrongs based on the Continent's history of genocidal warfare.

As regards using the quote button to make it easier for you, why should I? Do you think I have to mention what I want in a format that is more aesthetically pleasing to you Maguire?

As for the pathetic use of inverted commas around my use of the word one, that says more about your limited education than mine and further debased the value of any further comments you have to make.

What I do know is if you mention SDLP or stoop at all the 'Maguire alarm' goes off and you scramble to justify whatever they done. I would wager if Ms Ritchie told you the sky was green you would believe her. You fail to engage in rationale debate on a given topic unless there is a party line or soundbite to roll out. In a way I envy your blind faith, in another way i seriously pity your complete lack of intelligence. (I think it's pity more than anything I have for you to be honest).


Pathetic

I tell you one society/club you weren't involved with in Trinity Gallsman and that's the Debating Society  :D

You just took a block of text and wrote pathetic. What point exactly are you referring to? Perhaps it's the entire block of text. If so would you like to add some rationale as to why you perceive it to be pathetic? Feel free to use 'evidence' (that should be fun).

I bet Nally is jealous that his stalker has replaced him now, perhaps you and Maguire are the same person... I doubt I will get an anwer though as that would require more than 2 words  ::)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: glens abu on November 11, 2010, 11:44:35 AM
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Quote from: Banana Man on Today at 09:03:19 AM
I don't have a problem with other people going off on a tangent as long as they don't then try to use that tangent to form an argument with myself. Unlike you, you have engaged me by using a tangent. I mentioned Ms Parker Bowles as Patrick Kielty was meeting her, if he had been meeting an African leader for example I wouldn't then have mentioned the ills of African society and done a running commentary on the rights or wrongs based on the Continent's history of genocidal warfare.

As regards using the quote button to make it easier for you, why should I? Do you think I have to mention what I want in a format that is more aesthetically pleasing to you Maguire?

As for the pathetic use of inverted commas around my use of the word one, that says more about your limited education than mine and further debased the value of any further comments you have to make.

What I do know is if you mention SDLP or stoop at all the 'Maguire alarm' goes off and you scramble to justify whatever they done. I would wager if Ms Ritchie told you the sky was green you would believe her. You fail to engage in rationale debate on a given topic unless there is a party line or soundbite to roll out. In a way I envy your blind faith, in another way i seriously pity your complete lack of intelligence. (I think it's pity more than anything I have for you to be honest).


Pathetic

I tell you one society/club you weren't involved with in Trinity Gallsman and that's the Debating Society  :D

You just took a block of text and wrote pathetic. What point exactly are you referring to? Perhaps it's the entire block of text. If so would you like to add some rationale as to why you perceive it to be pathetic? Feel free to use 'evidence' (that should be fun).

I bet Nally is jealous that his stalker has replaced him now, perhaps you and Maguire are the same person... I doubt I will get an anwer though as that would require more than 2 words  ::)

If they would go out and do a bit of work in their constituencies they might stand a better chance of getting elected. :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 11, 2010, 11:47:19 AM
Bit of a joke of with Celtic. Its not like these fans broke a law by protesting against poppy's? It wasn't rascist or anything was it? So on what charge will they be banned? This is the nasty side of the poppy where freedom of choice is removed - for f**k sake the whole teams in scotland have to have it on their jersey for one weekend!
Off course  it was not against the law. But it certainly was in bad taste. Irish Political activists should leave there grapes at the turnstiles. After all Celtic as club practically begging to get into the English Premier league.
As a nordy and a Celtic supporter I do tend to gag a bit particularly with Celtic putting the poppy on the hoops. but when you step back and consider it, the only reason we have a problem with it is because nordy prods made them in to a political symbol of Loyal British Citizenship. But Celtic are a Scottish Club with Irish roots, many players and fans fought and died in the Brittish Army. It is a fact that most states use the cannon fodder and forget them when they are home with limbs missing or mental scars, Vietnam Vets for instance. The poppy appeal has no such political conotations in the UK, many Scottish Celtic fans have no issue with this. How many soldiers really want to be in Iraq or Afghanastan? They are sent there. I am not excusing any of the actions of the Brits in the North, but they were fighting a war and following orders. It is unfortunate that Northern Loyalists have usurped the poppy....We should rise above it. I wouldn't wear one myself but have no problem with someone wearing it for genuine reasons. The Poppy Charity has been very successful at getting many organisations to show support, fair play to them. As regards Celtic can't you just hear that bigoted loyalist gobshite Campbell if they refused? A bigger issue in the new Ireland is the instance of Northern based Sports Organisations (and Rory McIlroy) in using the Loyalist Ulster Flag as a unifying symbol. Sinn Fein and The SDLP seem quite happy with this too.

To issues for the price of one guys!!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 11, 2010, 11:55:00 AM
I believe the SDLP leader is to wear a poppy on Sunday ... saying nothing, just putting it out there.

Sounds about right. It's not long (March '10) since her party voted for dozens of british army plaques to adorn the walls of Belfast City Hall, including several dedicated to the UDR  :-\
She even has Alex Atwood saying Nortern Ireland instead of his usual Norf!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Doogie Browser on November 11, 2010, 12:01:16 PM
Ritchie is going to be the ruination of the stoops.  An awful politician.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Clown on November 11, 2010, 12:38:38 PM
Why Celtic fans won’t join in the poppy parade

The poppy is a political symbol. So why are players and fans being told to conform with the idea of wearing one?
 
Anyone who knows the history and traditions of Celtic Football Club would not have been too surprised to see a group of fans unfurling a huge anti-war banner at the team’s ground last Saturday.

The banner, which read, ‘Your deeds they would shame all the devils in hell. Ireland, Iraq, Afghanistan. No blood-stained poppy on our hoops’, was a protest against the club’s decision to mark Remembrance Day by getting the players to wear poppies on their famous green and white hooped jerseys and hold a minute’s silence before the game.

However the club’s reaction to the protesters shows just how far Celtic’s anti-establishment roots have been officially ditched by those running it. John Reid, club chairman and former Labour home secretary, has pledged to ‘hunt down’ this ‘hate-mob’ and ban them from Celtic Park for life. Others have described the protesting fans as ‘shameful yobs and louts’ and one MP, Gregory Campbell, has argued the club needs to go further to ‘lance this boil’.

The demonisation and vilification of a group of people who staged a peaceful political protest would be shocking in any circumstances, but it is even more so at Celtic. To many Celtic fans, the history and ethos of the club is not only Irish, but is also closely linked to the struggle against British rule and militarism in Ireland. The club’s origins can be traced to post-famine Ireland when it was founded in 1888 by the immigrant Irish priest, Brother Walfred, to raise money to feed the often-destitute Irish of Glasgow’s east end. These overwhelmingly Catholic Irish suffered not only poverty but widespread discrimination. The sod of turf that sits in the centre circle of Celtic Park was planted by Michael Davitt, himself a famous Irish Republican activist who fought against British rule in Ireland.


The protest banner at Celtic Park

Throughout the 30 years of the conflict in Northern Ireland, from the late 60s to the late 90s, a significant section of Celtic fans openly supported – or at least quietly sympathised with – the IRA and Celtic games featured more Irish rebel songs than football chants. While all football derbies arouse strong passions, Celtic-Rangers games during the ‘Troubles’ were famously tense with boat loads of hard-line loyalists and republicans arriving from Belfast to play out their political enmities on the terraces.

Of course, all of this has changed as the peace process has brought violent conflict in Ireland to an end and seen republicans and loyalists sharing power. A new generation of homegrown Celtic fans don’t mix politics and football in the way their parents did, and for many of these fans wearing a poppy is no more political than wearing a pink ribbon in support of those who have fought breast cancer or a red ribbon to remember the problem of HIV/AIDS.

But there remain a significant group of Celtic fans for whom the poppy does have meaning. For them, the officially sanctioned Remembrance Day and the wearing of the poppy represent the glorification of imperialist wars in which tens of thousands of young men were sent to their deaths by political leaders intent on defending Britain’s dominant position in the world. No one watching Remembrance Sunday on television every year can be in any doubt that the laying of wreaths by the royal family, alongside the presence of the country’s political leaders and the military top brass, mixes remembering the dead with an official display of support for Britain’s military adventures abroad – past and present.

But whether you make a personal decision to wear a poppy or not is not the issue here. Celtic fans know to their cost that the clampdown on fans unfurling a banner is only the latest in a long series of restrictions on any expressions of political opinions by fans. Under the guise of campaigns against sectarianism and to ‘kick racism out of football’, Celtic fans have already faced a bewildering barrage of bans and rules proscribing what they can say, sing or chant before, during and after watching their team. Yet the same club that has done so much to cleanse Celtic of any whiff of politics has now chosen to bring politics onto the pitch by telling players and fans to observe the official commemoration of the UK’s war dead and wear a poppy on their jerseys.



The latest controversy is less about the poppy than the degrading illiberal treatment meted out to a section of football fans for daring to challenge the football hierarchy. For more than 80 years the poppy and football were separate. Now, when the football authorities decide to mix politics with football, those fans who object are vilified and banned. Anyone who cares about civil liberties and freedom of speech should be extremely alarmed by the attack on both by those running football in Scotland.

Jon Snow, Channel 4 news broadcaster, has been mocked this week for re-staging his annual outburst against ‘poppy fascism’ in protest at the pressure put on TV presenters to wear a poppy. (Snow is on shaky ground having made a song-and-dance about his right to wear a white wristband in support of Make Poverty History back in 2005, with the implication that others should be doing the same.) But I think Snow reacts every year not for effect but because each year the expectation to conform seems to spread. As well as poppies at football games, this year for the first time the traffic lights in central London will stay on red for several minutes and busy Londoners will be asked to stay quiet and still as a section of the city grinds to a halt.

Many people who wear poppies do so as a genuine sign of respect and gratitude to those who sacrificed everything for the greater good while many others wear it as an open expression of support for Britain’s armed forces. There are also people who wear the poppy simply because they are expected to. But some of us refuse to wear a poppy on principle because we don’t support Britain’s military adventures past or present and choose to remember those who died in wars in ways and at times of our own choosing. Whichever position you take, the poppy is a political emblem and it diminishes politics and our political opinions to pretend otherwise.

We are repeatedly told on Remembrance Sunday that those who have fallen gave their lives that we should be free – sadly that freedom has been denied to those fans who expressed their opinions at Celtic Park last week.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: glens abu on November 11, 2010, 12:50:35 PM
Why Celtic fans won’t join in the poppy parade

The poppy is a political symbol. So why are players and fans being told to conform with the idea of wearing one?
 
Anyone who knows the history and traditions of Celtic Football Club would not have been too surprised to see a group of fans unfurling a huge anti-war banner at the team’s ground last Saturday.

The banner, which read, ‘Your deeds they would shame all the devils in hell. Ireland, Iraq, Afghanistan. No blood-stained poppy on our hoops’, was a protest against the club’s decision to mark Remembrance Day by getting the players to wear poppies on their famous green and white hooped jerseys and hold a minute’s silence before the game.

However the club’s reaction to the protesters shows just how far Celtic’s anti-establishment roots have been officially ditched by those running it. John Reid, club chairman and former Labour home secretary, has pledged to ‘hunt down’ this ‘hate-mob’ and ban them from Celtic Park for life. Others have described the protesting fans as ‘shameful yobs and louts’ and one MP, Gregory Campbell, has argued the club needs to go further to ‘lance this boil’.

The demonisation and vilification of a group of people who staged a peaceful political protest would be shocking in any circumstances, but it is even more so at Celtic. To many Celtic fans, the history and ethos of the club is not only Irish, but is also closely linked to the struggle against British rule and militarism in Ireland. The club’s origins can be traced to post-famine Ireland when it was founded in 1888 by the immigrant Irish priest, Brother Walfred, to raise money to feed the often-destitute Irish of Glasgow’s east end. These overwhelmingly Catholic Irish suffered not only poverty but widespread discrimination. The sod of turf that sits in the centre circle of Celtic Park was planted by Michael Davitt, himself a famous Irish Republican activist who fought against British rule in Ireland.


The protest banner at Celtic Park

Throughout the 30 years of the conflict in Northern Ireland, from the late 60s to the late 90s, a significant section of Celtic fans openly supported – or at least quietly sympathised with – the IRA and Celtic games featured more Irish rebel songs than football chants. While all football derbies arouse strong passions, Celtic-Rangers games during the ‘Troubles’ were famously tense with boat loads of hard-line loyalists and republicans arriving from Belfast to play out their political enmities on the terraces.

Of course, all of this has changed as the peace process has brought violent conflict in Ireland to an end and seen republicans and loyalists sharing power. A new generation of homegrown Celtic fans don’t mix politics and football in the way their parents did, and for many of these fans wearing a poppy is no more political than wearing a pink ribbon in support of those who have fought breast cancer or a red ribbon to remember the problem of HIV/AIDS.

But there remain a significant group of Celtic fans for whom the poppy does have meaning. For them, the officially sanctioned Remembrance Day and the wearing of the poppy represent the glorification of imperialist wars in which tens of thousands of young men were sent to their deaths by political leaders intent on defending Britain’s dominant position in the world. No one watching Remembrance Sunday on television every year can be in any doubt that the laying of wreaths by the royal family, alongside the presence of the country’s political leaders and the military top brass, mixes remembering the dead with an official display of support for Britain’s military adventures abroad – past and present.

But whether you make a personal decision to wear a poppy or not is not the issue here. Celtic fans know to their cost that the clampdown on fans unfurling a banner is only the latest in a long series of restrictions on any expressions of political opinions by fans. Under the guise of campaigns against sectarianism and to ‘kick racism out of football’, Celtic fans have already faced a bewildering barrage of bans and rules proscribing what they can say, sing or chant before, during and after watching their team. Yet the same club that has done so much to cleanse Celtic of any whiff of politics has now chosen to bring politics onto the pitch by telling players and fans to observe the official commemoration of the UK’s war dead and wear a poppy on their jerseys.



The latest controversy is less about the poppy than the degrading illiberal treatment meted out to a section of football fans for daring to challenge the football hierarchy. For more than 80 years the poppy and football were separate. Now, when the football authorities decide to mix politics with football, those fans who object are vilified and banned. Anyone who cares about civil liberties and freedom of speech should be extremely alarmed by the attack on both by those running football in Scotland.

Jon Snow, Channel 4 news broadcaster, has been mocked this week for re-staging his annual outburst against ‘poppy fascism’ in protest at the pressure put on TV presenters to wear a poppy. (Snow is on shaky ground having made a song-and-dance about his right to wear a white wristband in support of Make Poverty History back in 2005, with the implication that others should be doing the same.) But I think Snow reacts every year not for effect but because each year the expectation to conform seems to spread. As well as poppies at football games, this year for the first time the traffic lights in central London will stay on red for several minutes and busy Londoners will be asked to stay quiet and still as a section of the city grinds to a halt.

Many people who wear poppies do so as a genuine sign of respect and gratitude to those who sacrificed everything for the greater good while many others wear it as an open expression of support for Britain’s armed forces. There are also people who wear the poppy simply because they are expected to. But some of us refuse to wear a poppy on principle because we don’t support Britain’s military adventures past or present and choose to remember those who died in wars in ways and at times of our own choosing. Whichever position you take, the poppy is a political emblem and it diminishes politics and our political opinions to pretend otherwise.

We are repeatedly told on Remembrance Sunday that those who have fallen gave their lives that we should be free – sadly that freedom has been denied to those fans who expressed their opinions at Celtic Park last week.

+1 very well said clown,even though I don't support Celtic or have any interest in Celtic i totally agree with your sentiments.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Minder on November 11, 2010, 01:03:57 PM
They aren't Clowns words.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 11, 2010, 01:30:11 PM
Ritchie is going to be the ruination of the stoops.  An awful politician.
Agreed
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Clown on November 11, 2010, 01:36:47 PM
yes not my words, sorry for any assumptions of plagiarism!

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/9884/?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: glens abu on November 11, 2010, 01:38:42 PM
They aren't Clowns words.

Oh right sorry is that a statement from the Celtic support?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Zapatista on November 11, 2010, 02:02:46 PM

Oh right sorry is that a statement from the Celtic support?

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Kevin Rooney teaches government and politics at a London school.

Title: Poppy Watch
Post by: 5 Sams on November 11, 2010, 02:39:23 PM
Further to the earlier pics of Carol and daughter...

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Here's another poppy....I'll bet none of yiz would mind getting your hands that one!! :o
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on November 11, 2010, 05:19:12 PM
Here's another poppy....I'll bet none of yiz would mind getting your hands that one!! :o

In solidarity with the anti-poppy brigade I would rip it off her, and if that caused further "wardrobe malfunctions" along the way..............well, sh1t happens!

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Sandino on November 11, 2010, 05:34:18 PM
I see on the BBC that Margaret Ritchie is going to wear a Poppy at Sundays Remembrance Day service. Jim I hope you can behave yourself on that occasion.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 11, 2010, 05:36:07 PM
I see on the BBC that Margaret Ritchie is going to wear a Poppy at Sundays Remembrance Day service. Jim I hope you can behave yourself on that occasion.
LMAO
he might have turned into a 'dirty old man' but I dont think he has gone 'blind' yet !!

(I didnt actually see the poppies on any of those pics until Jim pointed them out !!)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on November 11, 2010, 05:39:36 PM
(I didnt actually see the poppies on any of those pics until Jim pointed them out !!)

And I'm the dirty old man!

You don't work for PWC by ay chance  ;D ;D

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 11, 2010, 05:45:24 PM
(I didnt actually see the poppies on any of those pics until Jim pointed them out !!)
And I'm the dirty old man!
You don't work for PWC by ay chance  ;D ;D
I know !
...I just dont accept that i'm old yet !
(sure I was a 'dirty young man' previously !!)

pwc - spit - nah, I can handle money and actually have to perform real work !!
(not getting into a place on the pretence of an 'audit' and spend 75% of the time trying to find ways to bring bigger groups of pwc colleagues into the place and earn pot loads of cash from the poor victim/unsuspecting company)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 11, 2010, 06:39:25 PM
Ritchie is going to be the ruination of the stoops.  An awful politician.
Agreed

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Minder on November 11, 2010, 06:42:47 PM
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Ritchie is going to be the ruination of the stoops.  An awful politician.
Agreed

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So who would nationalists, that would never dream of voting
 SF, vote for? Should they not have representation Nally?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: The Worker on November 11, 2010, 06:43:28 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser link=topic=17811.msg878962#msg878962date=1289476876
Ritchie is going to be the ruination of the stoops.  An awful politician.
Agreed

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So who would nationalists, that would never dream of voting
 SF, vote for? Should they not have representation Nally?

Independents?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: SHEEDY on November 11, 2010, 06:51:13 PM
Ritchie is going to be the ruination of the stoops.  An awful politician.
Agreed

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ritchie is the most hated politician in lots of areas of south down and that includes the unionists. her only support is in her home town of downpatrick and with unionists determined to keep the shinners out at any cost. her decision to wear a poppy just shows how out of touch the sdlp have become with working class nationlists.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 11, 2010, 06:52:21 PM
I don't have a problem with other people going off on a tangent as long as they don't then try to use that tangent to form an argument with myself. Unlike you, you have engaged me by using a tangent. I mentioned Ms Parker Bowles as Patrick Kielty was meeting her, if he had been meeting an African leader for example I wouldn't then have mentioned the ills of African society and done a running commentary on the rights or wrongs based on the Continent's history of genocidal warfare.
But an African leader would have no relevance to a discussion on the poppy. The poppy represents the fallen crown forces. The link is quite clear. I just questioned why someone would think that it's great that someone isn't wearing a poppy when they meet a member of the royal family. That's not a tangent; it's developing the discussion.

As regards using the quote button to make it easier for you, why should I? Do you think I have to mention what I want in a format that is more aesthetically pleasing to you Maguire?
You don't have to. You can continue to look like you haven't figured out how it works. It's so that your post makes sense - to see who said what. It was merely a suggestion.

As for the pathetic use of inverted commas around my use of the word one, that says more about your limited education than mine and further debased the value of any further comments you have to make.
Humour isn't your strong point then. It was a joke, based on the discussion being about the royals.

What I do know is if you mention SDLP or stoop at all the 'Maguire alarm' goes off and you scramble to justify whatever they done. I would wager if Ms Ritchie told you the sky was green you would believe her. You fail to engage in rationale debate on a given topic unless there is a party line or soundbite to roll out. In a way I envy your blind faith, in another way i seriously pity your complete lack of intelligence. (I think it's pity more than anything I have for you to be honest).
How was this about the SDLP?
For the record, I don't have any loyalty to any political party, nor am I a member of any political party. If the SDLP do something I disagree with, i'll say it. For the record, whilst I think Margaret Ritchie is an able politician, I don't think she's a party leader and will happily agree that she's a terrible public speaker.

At the same time, if the usual SF posters on here go off on one, i'll feel free to weigh in with my opinion. It is a discussion board after all. It brings a bit of balance.


As for my "lack of intelligence" and "limited education" what do you base that on?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 11, 2010, 06:53:55 PM
I bet Nally is jealous that his stalker has replaced him now, perhaps you and Maguire are the same person... I doubt I will get an anwer though as that would require more than 2 words  ::)
Are you and Nally the same person?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 11, 2010, 06:55:57 PM
Ritchie is going to be the ruination of the stoops.  An awful politician.
Agreed

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ritchie is the most hated politician in lots of areas of south down and that includes the unionists. her only support is in her home town of downpatrick and with unionists determined to keep the shinners out at any cost. her decision to wear a poppy just shows how out of touch the sdlp have become with working class nationlists.
Yet critically, the most popular in all of South Down.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 11, 2010, 07:09:28 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser link=topic=17811.msg878962#msg878962date=1289476876
Ritchie is going to be the ruination of the stoops.  An awful politician.
Agreed

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So who would nationalists, that would never dream of voting
 SF, vote for? Should they not have representation Nally?

Should nationalists have representation?  Was that a serious question?  :D Ok.... in case it was... YES MINDER. YES THEY SHOULD.

Who should nationalists vote for? - Why the fcuk do you ask me?
If she were to be "the ruination of the stoops" that would mean they were ruined because she would have turned them into a party who nobody would want to vote for, so if people decided in such numbers to not vote sdlp, thus causing the ruination of them, why ask me who they should vote for? Whoever they feel like voting for I would imagine, that's up to themselves.

You seem to think I am calling for the sdlp to be dismantled ffs. There's a difference between that, and hoping they become a party which reaches ruination due to lack of support (which seems to be what maggie is trying to to with them these times).

I don't think I was denying democracy when I hoped the PD's in the south reached ruination either  :-\
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: SHEEDY on November 11, 2010, 07:17:41 PM
october 2010: british troops burn fields of poppies to curb the heroin trade stemming from afghanistan.

november 2010: muslim protestors burn paper poppies in protest against british troops.

GREAT COMEBACK GUYS.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 11, 2010, 07:59:46 PM
See Malachi Cush refrained from wearing the poppy on 7.30 show on UTV. Fair play.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Minder on November 11, 2010, 08:28:41 PM
See Malachi Cush refrained from wearing the poppy on 7.30 show on UTV. Fair play.

Do people watch that show?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 11, 2010, 08:34:13 PM
See Malachi Cush refrained from wearing the poppy on 7.30 show on UTV. Fair play.

Do people watch that show?

I just flicked over and seen he was only one in studio with no poppy. Not a fan of the show though just to get that clear.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Rois on November 11, 2010, 08:42:21 PM
I thought of this thread this morning when I had the ITV Breakfast programme on, the one with Christine Bleakley.  They'd sent Grainne Seoige out to Afghanistan to interview British troops on 11/11 and gave her a poppy to wear - she was reporting live this morn.  Just seemed a bit strange - this seems to me to be a British occasion, why would they send an Irish person over to a British Army camp?  Bizzare.

ps couldn't give a monkeys about the poppy, won't be wearing one as the wars mean nothing to me.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 11, 2010, 09:05:57 PM
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Quote from: Banana Man on Today at 09:03:19 AM
I don't have a problem with other people going off on a tangent as long as they don't then try to use that tangent to form an argument with myself. Unlike you, you have engaged me by using a tangent. I mentioned Ms Parker Bowles as Patrick Kielty was meeting her, if he had been meeting an African leader for example I wouldn't then have mentioned the ills of African society and done a running commentary on the rights or wrongs based on the Continent's history of genocidal warfare.

But an African leader would have no relevance to a discussion on the poppy. The poppy represents the fallen crown forces. The link is quite clear. I just questioned why someone would think that it's great that someone isn't wearing a poppy when they meet a member of the royal family. That's not a tangent; it's developing the discussion.

You just proved my point Maguire against yourself, thanks for that. An African leader in the photo has no relevance to the discussion of poppies just like the mistress of Charles Windsor has no relevance to it so why would i mention it. I reiteriate that if you want to discuss Irish personalities meeting with the royals then start a separate topic and I will gladly contribute to the debate (provided you can stay on topic of course).


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As for my "lack of intelligence" and "limited education" what do you base that on?

I base it on your inability to follow the flow of a discussion and offer reasoned and structured debate, how's that for ya ya boy ya
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 11, 2010, 09:18:24 PM
I thought of this thread this morning when I had the ITV Breakfast programme on, the one with Christine Bleakley.  They'd sent Grainne Seoige out to Afghanistan to interview British troops on 11/11 and gave her a poppy to wear - she was reporting live this morn.  Just seemed a bit strange - this seems to me to be a British occasion, why would they send an Irish person over to a British Army camp?  Bizzare.

ps couldn't give a monkeys about the poppy, won't be wearing one as the wars mean nothing to me.
If it's her job to report from these places why would her nationality prevent her from doing so? Are Jews not allowed to report from Germany or blacks from Mississippi?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 11, 2010, 09:31:54 PM
I thought of this thread this morning when I had the ITV Breakfast programme on, the one with Christine Bleakley.  They'd sent Grainne Seoige out to Afghanistan to interview British troops on 11/11 and gave her a poppy to wear - she was reporting live this morn.  Just seemed a bit strange - this seems to me to be a British occasion, why would they send an Irish person over to a British Army camp?  Bizzare.

ps couldn't give a monkeys about the poppy, won't be wearing one as the wars mean nothing to me.
If it's her job to report from these places why would her nationality prevent her from doing so? Are Jews not allowed to report from Germany or blacks from Mississippi?

Yeh but I wonder how does this poppy thing work in reality? Like does some TV makeup person come over and give you one and tell you that you must wear it or do they ask you if you would like to wear it. Either way its amazing how people who would ordinarily not wear one will so easily allow themselves to be forced to wear one. I don't have an issue with someone wearing one but if someone told me I had to wear one I'd tell them to stick it up their arse.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: boojangles on November 11, 2010, 10:17:26 PM
I thought of this thread this morning when I had the ITV Breakfast programme on, the one with Christine Bleakley.  They'd sent Grainne Seoige out to Afghanistan to interview British troops on 11/11 and gave her a poppy to wear - she was reporting live this morn.  Just seemed a bit strange - this seems to me to be a British occasion, why would they send an Irish person over to a British Army camp?  Bizzare.

ps couldn't give a monkeys about the poppy, won't be wearing one as the wars mean nothing to me.
If it's her job to report from these places why would her nationality prevent her from doing so? Are Jews not allowed to report from Germany or blacks from Mississippi?

Yeh but I wonder how does this poppy thing work in reality? Like does some TV makeup person come over and give you one and tell you that you must wear it or do they ask you if you would like to wear it. Either way its amazing how people who would ordinarily not wear one will so easily allow themselves to be forced to wear one. I don't have an issue with someone wearing one but if someone told me I had to wear one I'd tell them to stick it up their arse.

Ye seen Grainne wearing it this morning. I'd love to know was it her choice or is it forced?? Its not the BBC she's working for but I suppose they all love their poppies across the water.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 11, 2010, 10:33:49 PM
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Quote from: Banana Man on Today at 09:03:19 AM
I don't have a problem with other people going off on a tangent as long as they don't then try to use that tangent to form an argument with myself. Unlike you, you have engaged me by using a tangent. I mentioned Ms Parker Bowles as Patrick Kielty was meeting her, if he had been meeting an African leader for example I wouldn't then have mentioned the ills of African society and done a running commentary on the rights or wrongs based on the Continent's history of genocidal warfare.

But an African leader would have no relevance to a discussion on the poppy. The poppy represents the fallen crown forces. The link is quite clear. I just questioned why someone would think that it's great that someone isn't wearing a poppy when they meet a member of the royal family. That's not a tangent; it's developing the discussion.

You just proved my point Maguire against yourself, thanks for that. An African leader in the photo has no relevance to the discussion of poppies just like the mistress of Charles Windsor has no relevance to it so why would i mention it. I reiteriate that if you want to discuss Irish personalities meeting with the royals then start a separate topic and I will gladly contribute to the debate (provided you can stay on topic of course).
You're not grasping this at all.
You think it's bad to wear the poppy, commemorating deceased members of the crown forces... yet it's grand to hang out with the wife of the heir to that same crown and the  Commander-in-Chief of those same forces. That's the link. Simple. If it was the head of an African state, there wouldn't have been a link.

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As for my "lack of intelligence" and "limited education" what do you base that on?

I base it on your inability to follow the flow of a discussion and offer reasoned and structured debate, how's that for ya ya boy ya
I followed it perfectly. I just wanted to explore one aspect of your comment.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 11, 2010, 10:57:40 PM
Should nationalists have representation?  Was that a serious question?  :D Ok.... in case it was... YES MINDER. YES THEY SHOULD.

Yet you wouldn't stop crying your eyes out and shitting your pants when they refused to withdraw Fearghal McKinney in FST?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: tyrone exile on November 12, 2010, 12:21:59 AM
See Malachi Cush refrained from wearing the poppy on 7.30 show on UTV. Fair play.
He was wearing one, underneath his left collar, you could only notice it when the camera was faced onto him, sly boy! I also do not watch the show, just so people dont get the wrong impression!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 12, 2010, 01:03:31 AM
Well just back from the pub and near the end myself and my Unionist friend had a bit of a fall out over her poppy. I said nothing all night until one of my English mates pointed out it attached to her bag and that O ***** won't have liked that. She asked me what my problem was with supporting "our boys" and "their sacrifice" it got pretty heated and only ended well coz I agreed to disagree coz she has a savage arse and even while arguing I couldn't take my eyes of it and I really think I have a chance bar the fact that she thinks I'm a raving Provo, which most lads here will think absurd  ;D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ballinaman on November 12, 2010, 01:29:32 AM
Well just back from the pub and near the end myself and my Unionist friend had a bit of a fall out over her poppy. I said nothing all night until one of my English mates pointed out it attached to her bag and that O ***** won't have liked that. She asked me what my problem was with supporting "our boys" and "their sacrifice" it got pretty heated and only ended well coz I agreed to disagree coz she has a savage arse and even while arguing I couldn't take my eyes of it and I really think I have a chance bar the fact that she thinks I'm a raving Provo, which most lads here will think absurd  ;D
Well played, get  priorities straight....savage arse or high ground....arse everyday :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Never beat the deeler on November 12, 2010, 01:55:05 AM
Well just back from the pub and near the end myself and my Unionist friend had a bit of a fall out over her poppy. I said nothing all night until one of my English mates pointed out it attached to her bag and that O ***** won't have liked that. She asked me what my problem was with supporting "our boys" and "their sacrifice" it got pretty heated and only ended well coz I agreed to disagree coz she has a savage arse and even while arguing I couldn't take my eyes of it and I really think I have a chance bar the fact that she thinks I'm a raving Provo, which most lads here will think absurd  ;D
Well played, get  priorities straight....savage arse or high ground....arse everyday :D

Hang on,, how were ya looking at her arse while ya were arguing?! Was she looking over shoulder or something?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ballinaman on November 12, 2010, 02:38:55 AM
Well just back from the pub and near the end myself and my Unionist friend had a bit of a fall out over her poppy. I said nothing all night until one of my English mates pointed out it attached to her bag and that O ***** won't have liked that. She asked me what my problem was with supporting "our boys" and "their sacrifice" it got pretty heated and only ended well coz I agreed to disagree coz she has a savage arse and even while arguing I couldn't take my eyes of it and I really think I have a chance bar the fact that she thinks I'm a raving Provo, which most lads here will think absurd  ;D
Well played, get  priorities straight....savage arse or high ground....arse everyday :D

Hang on,, how were ya looking at her arse while ya were arguing?! Was she looking over shoulder or something?
anything is possible deeler....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9al-mpqXjc
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 12, 2010, 03:18:15 AM
So I gave $5 for a poppy today. I didn't take one - am I still ok to post here/still an Irish man???
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hedley Lamarr on November 12, 2010, 05:47:34 AM
So I gave $5 for a poppy today. I didn't take one - am I still ok to post here/still an Irish man???

Depends if it was a dud or not ;).....I think it puts you in the same category as Tony Cascarino :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Orior on November 12, 2010, 10:11:05 AM
I was at a school concert in Cookstown last night. About 300 people in attendance and not one poppy in sight.

What an outrage!

I'm penning a strong worded letter to my member of the british parliament   member of local britsh administration parish priest.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 12, 2010, 10:13:01 AM
Should nationalists have representation?  Was that a serious question?  :D Ok.... in case it was... YES MINDER. YES THEY SHOULD.

Yet you wouldn't stop crying your eyes out and shitting your pants when they refused to withdraw Fearghal McKinney in FST?

 :D :D :D
You a bit slow on the uptake? I had hoped the stoops would pull out of FST in order to ENSURE that the only nationalist who actually had a chance of winning would win, hence ensuring the (mainly nationalist) constituency would be REPRESENTED by... that's right....A NATIONALIST. Complicated I know, but keep thinking about it.

Actually, given the stoops refusal to withdraw, knowing full well that McKinney didn't stand a chance in hell of getting elected, any rational observer would have to assume that they knowingly attempted to prevent the nationalists of FST being represented by a nationalist simply because that nationalist was from SF. They clearly anticipated a spilt nationalist vote, which they expected would deliver a tory MP, which would have suited their "anyone but SF" ethos down to the ground. Kinda denying representation to nationalists, that tactic.

p.s. Thankfully, the good people of FST abandoned the stoops in droves and showed maggie ritchie the middle finger in response to her political "strategy" of screwing them over so as to facilitate the OO/Tory/DUP alliances bid to defeat the only nationalist who stood a chance:

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Zapatista on November 12, 2010, 10:16:52 AM
So I gave $5 for a poppy today. I didn't take one - am I still ok to post here/still an Irish man???

If you give a fiver and get nothing in return then you are the ultimate Irish man. Usually we'd get a stick of gum at least for a fiver.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 12, 2010, 10:19:12 AM
That wasn't the question you were asked though? Minder asked you if nationalists who don't want to vote Sinn Fein are entitled to vote for someone they see fit to represent them, and you said "yes". QED.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 12, 2010, 10:22:59 AM
Actually, given the stoops refusal to withdraw, knowing full well that McKinney didn't stand a chance in hell of getting elected, any rational observer would have to assume that they knowingly attempted to prevent the nationalists of FST being represented by a nationalist simply because that nationalist was from SF. They clearly anticipated a spilt nationalist vote, which they expected would deliver a tory MP, which would have suited their "anyone but SF" ethos down to the ground. Kinda denying representation to nationalists, that tactic.

You consider that rational?

"Because they did this it meant this"

Once again I must point out the flaws in your understanding of democracy.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Zapatista on November 12, 2010, 10:23:41 AM
:D :D :D
You a bit slow on the uptake? I had hoped the stoops would pull out of FST in order to ENSURE that the only nationalist who actually had a chance of winning would win, hence ensuring the (mainly nationalist) constituency would be REPRESENTED by... that's right....A NATIONALIST. Complicated I know, but keep thinking about it.

Actually, given the stoops refusal to withdraw, knowing full well that McKinney didn't stand a chance in hell of getting elected, any rational observer would have to assume that they knowingly attempted to prevent the nationalists of FST being represented by a nationalist simply because that nationalist was from SF. They clearly anticipated a spilt nationalist vote, which they expected would deliver a tory MP, which would have suited their "anyone but SF" ethos down to the ground. Kinda denying representation to nationalists, that tactic.

p.s. Thankfully, the good people of FST abandoned the stoops in droves and showed maggie ritchie the middle finger in response to her political "strategy" of screwing them over so as to facilitate the OO/Tory/DUP alliances bid to defeat the only nationalist who stood a chance     

This is what bugs me about the whole thing. There is no merit in supporting a candidate if they are only voted for being Nationalist. BEing a Nationalist is a stupid reason to elect someone and the SDLP were right to stand there ground.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Zapatista on November 12, 2010, 10:25:19 AM
Actually, given the stoops refusal to withdraw, knowing full well that McKinney didn't stand a chance in hell of getting elected, any rational observer would have to assume that they knowingly attempted to prevent the nationalists of FST being represented by a nationalist simply because that nationalist was from SF. They clearly anticipated a spilt nationalist vote, which they expected would deliver a tory MP, which would have suited their "anyone but SF" ethos down to the ground. Kinda denying representation to nationalists, that tactic.

You consider that rational?

"Because they did this it meant this"

Once again I must point out the flaws in your understanding of democracy.

Maybe they were more concerned about SFs agriculture policy and wanted to take them out for that reason?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 12, 2010, 10:50:35 AM
That wasn't the question you were asked though? Minder asked you if nationalists who don't want to vote Sinn Fein are entitled to vote for someone they see fit to represent them, and you said "yes". QED.

Yes but as mentioned, the stoop stood no chance of getting elected. Not ever party stands in every constituency in Ireland for similar reasons.
p.s. That isn't what he asked, he asked if there was no sdlp, should nationalists not have representation, and who they should vote for. I answered both.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 12, 2010, 10:55:26 AM
Actually, given the stoops refusal to withdraw, knowing full well that McKinney didn't stand a chance in hell of getting elected, any rational observer would have to assume that they knowingly attempted to prevent the nationalists of FST being represented by a nationalist simply because that nationalist was from SF. They clearly anticipated a spilt nationalist vote, which they expected would deliver a tory MP, which would have suited their "anyone but SF" ethos down to the ground. Kinda denying representation to nationalists, that tactic.

You consider that rational?

"Because they did this it meant this"

Once again I must point out the flaws in your understanding of democracy.
You must? Why didn't you? FST still really hurts with you doesn't it? Don't worry, Rodney Conner will get another chance some day. Chin up.

(Pointing out what you perceive as the intellectual flaws of others? Not this old snobbery again gallsman)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 12, 2010, 11:04:12 AM
:D :D :D
You a bit slow on the uptake? I had hoped the stoops would pull out of FST in order to ENSURE that the only nationalist who actually had a chance of winning would win, hence ensuring the (mainly nationalist) constituency would be REPRESENTED by... that's right....A NATIONALIST. Complicated I know, but keep thinking about it.

Actually, given the stoops refusal to withdraw, knowing full well that McKinney didn't stand a chance in hell of getting elected, any rational observer would have to assume that they knowingly attempted to prevent the nationalists of FST being represented by a nationalist simply because that nationalist was from SF. They clearly anticipated a spilt nationalist vote, which they expected would deliver a tory MP, which would have suited their "anyone but SF" ethos down to the ground. Kinda denying representation to nationalists, that tactic.

p.s. Thankfully, the good people of FST abandoned the stoops in droves and showed maggie ritchie the middle finger in response to her political "strategy" of screwing them over so as to facilitate the OO/Tory/DUP alliances bid to defeat the only nationalist who stood a chance     

This is what bugs me about the whole thing. There is no merit in supporting a candidate if they are only voted for being Nationalist. BEing a Nationalist is a stupid reason to elect someone and the SDLP were right to stand there ground.

In a perfect world zap, but burying our heads in the sand and hoping the constitutional issue will resolve itself and the centuries old traditions involved will suddenly co-operate nicely, just isn't realistic. Nationalism & unionism are both perfectly legitimate political philosophies which are understandably, hugely important to people. No head burying or wishful thinking about not voting along such lines will change that. Being a nationalist or unionist does not automatically make you sectarian and as such, voting along nationalist/unionist lines does not make you sectarian. It just means you are voting for the candidate who best suits your own political views. Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 12, 2010, 11:05:24 AM
Ritchie is going to be the ruination of the stoops.  An awful politician.
Agreed

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ritchie is the most hated politician in lots of areas of south down and that includes the unionists. her only support is in her home town of downpatrick and with unionists determined to keep the shinners out at any cost. her decision to wear a poppy just shows how out of touch the sdlp have become with working class nationlists.
Yet critically, the most popular in all of South Down.
Not necessarily true South Down voted against Caitriona Ruane rather than for Margaret Richie, if I had to choose between these two and Ian Og I would vote Ian Og!!! :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 12, 2010, 11:17:24 AM
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Quote from: Banana Man on Today at 09:03:19 AM
I don't have a problem with other people going off on a tangent as long as they don't then try to use that tangent to form an argument with myself. Unlike you, you have engaged me by using a tangent. I mentioned Ms Parker Bowles as Patrick Kielty was meeting her, if he had been meeting an African leader for example I wouldn't then have mentioned the ills of African society and done a running commentary on the rights or wrongs based on the Continent's history of genocidal warfare.

But an African leader would have no relevance to a discussion on the poppy. The poppy represents the fallen crown forces. The link is quite clear. I just questioned why someone would think that it's great that someone isn't wearing a poppy when they meet a member of the royal family. That's not a tangent; it's developing the discussion.

You just proved my point Maguire against yourself, thanks for that. An African leader in the photo has no relevance to the discussion of poppies just like the mistress of Charles Windsor has no relevance to it so why would i mention it. I reiteriate that if you want to discuss Irish personalities meeting with the royals then start a separate topic and I will gladly contribute to the debate (provided you can stay on topic of course).
You're not grasping this at all.
You think it's bad to wear the poppy, commemorating deceased members of the crown forces... yet it's grand to hang out with the wife of the heir to that same crown and the  Commander-in-Chief of those same forces. That's the link. Simple. If it was the head of an African state, there wouldn't have been a link.


I haven't once commented on whether or not it is grand to hang out with anyone, I am trying to discuss the wearing of poppies. And it is increasingly difficult to maintain the focus when you keep trying to divert of on a tangent to give you some pathetic chink of light to grasp at to maintain your part in the discussion.

I repeat, if you want to discuss meeting members of a foreign monarchy feel free to start a new topic and put your points on that and I will engage you on that debate bt if you can't maintain focus on one emblem I dismay at the prospect of you trying to deal with an entire family including teir mistresses
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 12, 2010, 11:25:03 AM
That wasn't the question you were asked though? Minder asked you if nationalists who don't want to vote Sinn Fein are entitled to vote for someone they see fit to represent them, and you said "yes". QED.

Yes but as mentioned, the stoop stood no chance of getting elected. Not ever party stands in every constituency in Ireland for similar reasons.
p.s. That isn't what he asked, he asked if there was no sdlp, should nationalists not have representation, and who they should vote for. I answered both.

So f**k? Some people wanted to vote SDLP, McKinney's candidacy provided them that opportunity.

Excat same principal as telling someone not to try because they'll never succeed.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Zapatista on November 12, 2010, 11:31:43 AM
In a perfect world zap, but burying our heads in the sand and hoping the constitutional issue will resolve itself and the centuries old traditions involved will suddenly co-operate nicely, just isn't realistic. Nationalism & unionism are both perfectly legitimate political philosophies which are understandably, hugely important to people. No head burying or wishful thinking about not voting along such lines will change that. Being a nationalist or unionist does not automatically make you sectarian and as such, voting along nationalist/unionist lines does not make you sectarian. It just means you are voting for the candidate who best suits your own political views. Nothing wrong with that.

I agree completly but SF and the SDLP subscibe to completly different versions of Nationalism. They have little or nothing in common on the 'national issue'. To tell the people of F&ST that SF and the SDLP are nationalist and therefore the same is wrong.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 12, 2010, 11:35:46 AM
That wasn't the question you were asked though? Minder asked you if nationalists who don't want to vote Sinn Fein are entitled to vote for someone they see fit to represent them, and you said "yes". QED.

Yes but as mentioned, the stoop stood no chance of getting elected. Not ever party stands in every constituency in Ireland for similar reasons.
p.s. That isn't what he asked, he asked if there was no sdlp, should nationalists not have representation, and who they should vote for. I answered both.

So f**k? Some people wanted to vote SDLP, McKinney's candidacy provided them that opportunity.

Excat same principal as telling someone not to try because they'll never succeed.

So parties are being totally undemocratic by not standing where they know they wouldn't stand a chance? Is that why the stoops don't put their noses anywhere south of FST? Very undemocratic that, then. I always thought that was due to partitionism alone  :-\

Oh well, I've no intention of getting side tracked into a debate about FST. That one is long gone, and we all know how it ended.

So, where were we? Oh yes... poppies...
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 12, 2010, 12:08:04 PM
In a perfect world zap, but burying our heads in the sand and hoping the constitutional issue will resolve itself and the centuries old traditions involved will suddenly co-operate nicely, just isn't realistic. Nationalism & unionism are both perfectly legitimate political philosophies which are understandably, hugely important to people. No head burying or wishful thinking about not voting along such lines will change that. Being a nationalist or unionist does not automatically make you sectarian and as such, voting along nationalist/unionist lines does not make you sectarian. It just means you are voting for the candidate who best suits your own political views. Nothing wrong with that.

I agree completly but SF and the SDLP subscibe to completly different versions of Nationalism. They have little or nothing in common on the 'national issue'. To tell the people of F&ST that SF and the SDLP are nationalist and therefore the same is wrong.
The SDLP are no longer a nationalist party, they are accepting of the status quo and Sinn Fein are starting down the same path.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Zapatista on November 12, 2010, 12:45:31 PM
The SDLP are no longer a nationalist party, they are accepting of the status quo and Sinn Fein are starting down the same path.

S owe kind of agree that they have nothing in common on that topic therefore there is no reason for the SDLP not to stand in F&ST.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 12, 2010, 02:18:27 PM
Meanwhile, back on the subject of the Poppy and remembrance etc, this might be of interest to Donegal folk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCLvQRjdBm8



Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 12, 2010, 02:53:52 PM
Further to the earlier pics of Carol and daughter...

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Here's another poppy....I'll bet none of yiz would mind getting your hands that one!! :o

def had botox and plastic surgery ...
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: 5 Sams on November 12, 2010, 03:03:07 PM
Further to the earlier pics of Carol and daughter...

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Here's another poppy....I'll bet none of yiz would mind getting your hands that one!! :o

def had botox and plastic surgery ...

Money well spent  :)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 12, 2010, 04:07:33 PM
Well just back from the pub and near the end myself and my Unionist friend had a bit of a fall out over her poppy. I said nothing all night until one of my English mates pointed out it attached to her bag and that O ***** won't have liked that. She asked me what my problem was with supporting "our boys" and "their sacrifice" it got pretty heated and only ended well coz I agreed to disagree coz she has a savage arse and even while arguing I couldn't take my eyes of it and I really think I have a chance bar the fact that she thinks I'm a raving Provo, which most lads here will think absurd  ;D
Well played, get  priorities straight....savage arse or high ground....arse everyday :D

Hang on,, how were ya looking at her arse while ya were arguing?! Was she looking over shoulder or something?

No we had high chairs at the bar, she kept standing up when she got excited kinda falling forward and presenting the finest arse in a pair of tight blue jeans, nice. All day seeing poppys and where once before they kinda got on my nerves they now make me think of a fine arse in blue jeans, yummy  ;D  Tnx You Miss ******
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Puckoon on November 12, 2010, 04:25:45 PM
So I gave $5 for a poppy today. I didn't take one - am I still ok to post here/still an Irish man???

If you give a fiver and get nothing in return then you are the ultimate Irish man. Usually we'd get a stick of gum at least for a fiver.

 ;D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 12, 2010, 07:25:17 PM
Quote
Quote from: Banana Man on Today at 09:03:19 AM
I don't have a problem with other people going off on a tangent as long as they don't then try to use that tangent to form an argument with myself. Unlike you, you have engaged me by using a tangent. I mentioned Ms Parker Bowles as Patrick Kielty was meeting her, if he had been meeting an African leader for example I wouldn't then have mentioned the ills of African society and done a running commentary on the rights or wrongs based on the Continent's history of genocidal warfare.

But an African leader would have no relevance to a discussion on the poppy. The poppy represents the fallen crown forces. The link is quite clear. I just questioned why someone would think that it's great that someone isn't wearing a poppy when they meet a member of the royal family. That's not a tangent; it's developing the discussion.

You just proved my point Maguire against yourself, thanks for that. An African leader in the photo has no relevance to the discussion of poppies just like the mistress of Charles Windsor has no relevance to it so why would i mention it. I reiteriate that if you want to discuss Irish personalities meeting with the royals then start a separate topic and I will gladly contribute to the debate (provided you can stay on topic of course).
You're not grasping this at all.
You think it's bad to wear the poppy, commemorating deceased members of the crown forces... yet it's grand to hang out with the wife of the heir to that same crown and the  Commander-in-Chief of those same forces. That's the link. Simple. If it was the head of an African state, there wouldn't have been a link.


I haven't once commented on whether or not it is grand to hang out with anyone, I am trying to discuss the wearing of poppies. And it is increasingly difficult to maintain the focus when you keep trying to divert of on a tangent to give you some pathetic chink of light to grasp at to maintain your part in the discussion.

I repeat, if you want to discuss meeting members of a foreign monarchy feel free to start a new topic and put your points on that and I will engage you on that debate bt if you can't maintain focus on one emblem I dismay at the prospect of you trying to deal with an entire family including teir mistresses
Quote button fail! But at least you're giving it a go.  Keep trying - I've mastered it even with my lack of intelligence and limited education. :P

I'm sorry you're finding it difficult to "maintain the focus". As you'll see over the last few pages, discussions develop. It's part of debate.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 12, 2010, 09:26:53 PM
the biggest gripe i have with the poppy wearing is the length of time it goes on. It started on 22nd Oct this year, and will finish on 14th Nov, 3 1/2 weeks, why ?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: The Real Laoislad on November 12, 2010, 10:54:14 PM
Colin Farrell  the great Dub is wearing one on Graham Norton show tonight
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armagho9 on November 12, 2010, 10:59:54 PM
Colin Farrell  the great Dub is wearing one on Graham Norton show tonight

Complete Bell End anyway
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 12, 2010, 11:24:05 PM
Colin Farrell  the great Dub is wearing one on Graham Norton show tonight
Harry Potter singing the elements of the Periodic Table should go on the WTF thread! G33k!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 13, 2010, 09:02:40 PM
Mark Sidebottom not wearing one tonight either on BBC Sport Final Score. surprised. Have BBC relaxed their rules or is he rebelling
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Rossfan on November 13, 2010, 09:09:17 PM
Didnt see any on the UTV people this evening on their local News either.
Commonsense breaking out ?
Mind you them Allister neanderthals at their annual "conference" were daubed with them from head to toe. ::)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: seanmacdiarmada on November 13, 2010, 09:17:54 PM
I dont watch the programme but the wife has told me that Malachi Cush was not wearing one on UTV but his partner was...good man Malachi.. ;D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 13, 2010, 09:26:16 PM
Mark Sidebottom not wearing one tonight either on BBC Sport Final Score. surprised. Have BBC relaxed their rules or is he rebelling

Didnt see any on the UTV people this evening on their local News either.
Commonsense breaking out ?

Maybe it's just because it's after the 11th?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 13, 2010, 09:45:48 PM
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Fixed that for everyone
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 13, 2010, 09:47:54 PM
Mark Sidebottom not wearing one tonight either on BBC Sport Final Score. surprised. Have BBC relaxed their rules or is he rebelling

Didnt see any on the UTV people this evening on their local News either.
Commonsense breaking out ?

Maybe it's just because it's after the 11th?

no, he wasn't wearing one 2 weeks ago either. Not sure about last week as i didnt see it. I thought that myself Maguire that the 11th was the cut-off date but apparently it's Rememberence Sunday tomorrow so come Monday it will be Poppy free.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 13, 2010, 09:54:10 PM
So I gave $5 for a poppy today. I didn't take one - am I still ok to post here/still an Irish man???

I attend a Remembrance Sunday service every year (although not tomorrow; I have a christening to attend where I'm expected to do something). The Irish version is diminished by the absence of Jerusalem, which is ace. I will cut up my passport.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 13, 2010, 10:25:17 PM
So I gave $5 for a poppy today. I didn't take one - am I still ok to post here/still an Irish man???
I dont think Canadian forces killed too many in Ireland so I'd say you're alright.

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 13, 2010, 10:29:20 PM
Lads, I was feeling hungry last night and was too tired to cook something. I ordered in a chippy. The guy that delivered it, was wearing a Poppy. Just want to double check here first. Should I be aggrieved by this, or is it ok to let this one slide?
I know you like to sit on the fence but has it got that bad that you can't make up your own mind on something like this?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Minder on November 13, 2010, 10:51:37 PM
Did some bucko state MUFC were the only EPL team that wouldn't be tooling up this weekend? Lies.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 13, 2010, 10:52:19 PM
Lads, I was feeling hungry last night and was too tired to cook something. I ordered in a chippy. The guy that delivered it, was wearing a Poppy. Just want to double check here first. Should I be aggrieved by this, or is it ok to let this one slide?
I know you like to sit on the fence but has it got that bad that you can't make up your own mind on something like this?
He is actually mocking people that get upset at the merest sight of a poppy.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 13, 2010, 10:54:08 PM
Did some bucko state MUFC were the only EPL team that wouldn't be tooling up this weekend? Lies.

with their white shirts it was the most obvious one today. Along with the Great Wall of China it's the only other thing which could be seen from the moon !
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 13, 2010, 10:59:44 PM
So I gave $5 for a poppy today. I didn't take one - am I still ok to post here/still an Irish man???

I attend a Remembrance Sunday service every year (although not tomorrow; I have a christening to attend where I'm expected to do something). The Irish version is diminished by the absence of Jerusalem, which is ace. I will cut up my passport.

Sell it man, sell it, ya might as well make some money out of it. Is there no recession down in Norman Waterford or what?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 13, 2010, 11:06:54 PM
Lads, I was feeling hungry last night and was too tired to cook something. I ordered in a chippy. The guy that delivered it, was wearing a Poppy. Just want to double check here first. Should I be aggrieved by this, or is it ok to let this one slide?
I know you like to sit on the fence but has it got that bad that you can't make up your own mind on something like this?
He is actually mocking people that get upset at the merest sight of a poppy.
I didn't know that because although I've only skimmed the thread I don't see anyone saying they get "upset" at the sight of a poppy. 
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: spanner on November 13, 2010, 11:19:27 PM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them

Good to see free choice is alive and well. If they want to wear them, so what and yes i know symbolisim etc. Plenty of Irish men in the ranks of the British Army over the years.
Money talks, all those Irish working in england wear them, its more a symbol of the irish licking the holes of brits, pandering for votes or money. I see it as selling your soul. Do they realise there supporting the comfortable retirement of all those brit soldiers who killed innocent people up North.
Is it complusary on brit tv to wear one?


My bold above.

Not forgetting that it wasn't only Brits and Loyalist Death Squads who killed innocent people up north?

As for wearing a Poppy.  I imagine that most people who do choose to wear it, would probably  do so in remembrance of those men and women ( Yes - including many Irish volunteers who didn't want to be ruled by a Fascist regime) who died in two World Wars so that most of Western Europe including Ireland, wouldn't be speaking German today.

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Never beat the deeler on November 14, 2010, 12:04:34 AM
So I gave $5 for a poppy today. I didn't take one - am I still ok to post here/still an Irish man???
I dont think Canadian forces killed too many in Ireland so I'd say you're alright.

So is it OK to support Canadian forces if you're in the UK?
Is it an issue because money raised from these sales goes to the British army?
Is it then OK to wear a poppy provided you didnt pay for it?
Assuming (dangerously so) yes to these questions, surely there wouldnt be a problem with people on the tv wearing poppies, that surely they dont pay for???
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 14, 2010, 12:12:48 AM
So I gave $5 for a poppy today. I didn't take one - am I still ok to post here/still an Irish man???
I dont think Canadian forces killed too many in Ireland so I'd say you're alright.

So is it OK to support Canadian forces if you're in the UK?
Is it an issue because money raised from these sales goes to the British army?
Is it then OK to wear a poppy provided you didnt pay for it?
Assuming (dangerously so) yes to these questions, surely there wouldnt be a problem with people on the tv wearing poppies, that surely they dont pay for???
Are you asking me?

1. I don't care (gabs in Canada btw)
2. An issue for who? Personally I wouldn't contribute to the British Army.
3. I wouldn't wear a poppy no matter who paid for it.
4. I don't have a problem with anyone wearing a poppy as long as their reasons are sincere. I have a problem with poppy fascism and people who want to mark their territory. 
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 14, 2010, 12:29:31 AM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them

Good to see free choice is alive and well. If they want to wear them, so what and yes i know symbolisim etc. Plenty of Irish men in the ranks of the British Army over the years.
Money talks, all those Irish working in england wear them, its more a symbol of the irish licking the holes of brits, pandering for votes or money. I see it as selling your soul. Do they realise there supporting the comfortable retirement of all those brit soldiers who killed innocent people up North.
Is it complusary on brit tv to wear one?


My bold above.

Not forgetting that it wasn't only Brits and Loyalist Death Squads who killed innocent people up north?

As for wearing a Poppy.  I imagine that most people who do choose to wear it, would probably  do so in remembrance of those men and women ( Yes - including many Irish volunteers who didn't want to be ruled by a Fascist regime) who died in two World Wars so that most of Western Europe including Ireland, wouldn't be speaking German today.

The discussion is about poppies. Hence the relevance of brits murdering in Ireland.

If you are trying to stir sh1t, at least do so in terms relevant to the discussion ffs.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 14, 2010, 12:35:42 AM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them

Good to see free choice is alive and well. If they want to wear them, so what and yes i know symbolisim etc. Plenty of Irish men in the ranks of the British Army over the years.
Money talks, all those Irish working in england wear them, its more a symbol of the irish licking the holes of brits, pandering for votes or money. I see it as selling your soul. Do they realise there supporting the comfortable retirement of all those brit soldiers who killed innocent people up North.
Is it complusary on brit tv to wear one?


My bold above.

Not forgetting that it wasn't only Brits and Loyalist Death Squads who killed innocent people up north?

As for wearing a Poppy.  I imagine that most people who do choose to wear it, would probably  do so in remembrance of those men and women ( Yes - including many Irish volunteers who didn't want to be ruled by a Fascist regime) who died in two World Wars so that most of Western Europe including Ireland, wouldn't be speaking German today.

The discussion is about poppies. Hence the relevance of brits murdering in Ireland.

If you are trying to stir sh1t, at least do so in terms relevant to the discussion ffs.
He's trying desperately all evening to get someone to bite and you're going to give it to him...
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 14, 2010, 05:36:36 AM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them

Good to see free choice is alive and well. If they want to wear them, so what and yes i know symbolisim etc. Plenty of Irish men in the ranks of the British Army over the years.
Money talks, all those Irish working in england wear them, its more a symbol of the irish licking the holes of brits, pandering for votes or money. I see it as selling your soul. Do they realise there supporting the comfortable retirement of all those brit soldiers who killed innocent people up North.
Is it complusary on brit tv to wear one?


My bold above.

Not forgetting that it wasn't only Brits and Loyalist Death Squads who killed innocent people up north?

As for wearing a Poppy.  I imagine that most people who do choose to wear it, would probably  do so in remembrance of those men and women ( Yes - including many Irish volunteers who didn't want to be ruled by a Fascist regime) who died in two World Wars so that most of Western Europe including Ireland, wouldn't be speaking German today.

The discussion is about poppies. Hence the relevance of brits murdering in Ireland.

If you are trying to stir sh1t, at least do so in terms relevant to the discussion ffs.
He's trying desperately all evening to get someone to bite and you're going to give it to him...

I'd rather wear 1,000 PSNI GAA jersies than a single Poppy tbh.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: magpie seanie on November 14, 2010, 06:09:59 AM
Did some bucko state MUFC were the only EPL team that wouldn't be tooling up this weekend? Lies.

with their white shirts it was the most obvious one today. Along with the Great Wall of China it's the only other thing which could be seen from the moon !


I don't think United wore them last year against Chelsea so I was a bit disgusted to see it this year. Just saw Tevez wearing one. Bet that will play well in Argentina!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thebigfella on November 14, 2010, 09:52:20 AM
Did some bucko state MUFC were the only EPL team that wouldn't be tooling up this weekend? Lies.

with their white shirts it was the most obvious one today. Along with the Great Wall of China it's the only other thing which could be seen from the moon !


I don't think United wore them last year against Chelsea so I was a bit disgusted to see it this year. Just saw Tevez wearing one. Bet that will play well in Argentina!

FFS I can understand to a certain point some of the Celtic scum fans getting wound up but getting wound up cause an English club has it on their jersey, catch a grip.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lurganblue on November 14, 2010, 09:58:49 AM
Seanie, I was watching a show about maradona last week in which he outlined the hatred the players felt towards England before the 86 game because of the recent war. I was just thinking would tevez wear one this weekend. Can't believe he did
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: seanmacdiarmada on November 14, 2010, 10:25:49 AM
Lads, I work in the BBC, on the 11th there was a 2 minute silence in the office, I simply logged myself out of the computer and went to the toilet for 2 minutes, there was about 4 people in my office out of 20 or so wearing a poppy...on Easter I wear my Lilly for the whole week of Easter, I had only one complaint about that last year, i refused to remove it due to the poppy issue and no more was said, I have no problem with the ordinary working class unionist or Stoops (as they know no better) people wearing a poppy, I do get annoyed tho when I see the likes of Colin Farrell, Frank Mitchell (big Down GAA man, yeah rite) and the other so-called Irish celebrities who wear the poppy just because they are told to.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: reddgnhand on November 14, 2010, 11:19:39 AM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them

Good to see free choice is alive and well. If they want to wear them, so what and yes i know symbolisim etc. Plenty of Irish men in the ranks of the British Army over the years.
Money talks, all those Irish working in england wear them, its more a symbol of the irish licking the holes of brits, pandering for votes or money. I see it as selling your soul. Do they realise there supporting the comfortable retirement of all those brit soldiers who killed innocent people up North.
Is it complusary on brit tv to wear one?


My bold above.

Not forgetting that it wasn't only Brits and Loyalist Death Squads who killed innocent people up north?

As for wearing a Poppy.  I imagine that most people who do choose to wear it, would probably  do so in remembrance of those men and women ( Yes - including many Irish volunteers who didn't want to be ruled by a Fascist regime) who died in two World Wars so that most of Western Europe including Ireland, wouldn't be speaking German today.

And what kind of regime was the brits running here?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Bord na Mona man on November 14, 2010, 12:03:34 PM
The Daily Mail has orchestrated a campaign to get all football clubs wearing the poppy.
It has been rounding on clubs that don’t and declaring victory for each one that relents.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1225325/Poppy-power-Now-Premier-clubs-refusing-Sportsmails-campaign-honour-heroes.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1324698/A-simple-message-Manchester-United-Why-wont-wear-poppy-pride.html

United and Liverpool were the final ones to give in this year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1325026/A-set-Manchester-United-join-proud-poppy-club.html

Far from symbol of respectful remembrance, this sort of jingoistic drum banging is turning the poppy into the new Union Jack.

However we shouldn’t underestimate that while English people are generally clued in and usually healthily cynical, when it comes to subjects like history and their armed forces, dissent from the party line is not so common.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 14, 2010, 12:04:16 PM
Lads, I work in the BBC, on the 11th there was a 2 minute silence in the office, I simply logged myself out of the computer and went to the toilet for 2 minutes, there was about 4 people in my office out of 20 or so wearing a poppy...on Easter I wear my Lilly for the whole week of Easter, I had only one complaint about that last year, i refused to remove it due to the poppy issue and no more was said, I have no problem with the ordinary working class unionist or Stoops (as they know no better) people wearing a poppy, I do get annoyed tho when I see the likes of Colin Farrell, Frank Mitchell (big Down GAA man, yeah rite) and the other so-called Irish celebrities who wear the poppy just because they are told to.
You of course have evidence that these people are told to wear poppies? Colin Farrell isn't an employee of the BBC so I doubt if they would have cancelled his appearance on The Graham Norton show if he said he wasn't wearing a poppy. Try again.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: spanner on November 14, 2010, 12:16:56 PM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them

Good to see free choice is alive and well. If they want to wear them, so what and yes i know symbolisim etc. Plenty of Irish men in the ranks of the British Army over the years.
Money talks, all those Irish working in england wear them, its more a symbol of the irish licking the holes of brits, pandering for votes or money. I see it as selling your soul. Do they realise there supporting the comfortable retirement of all those brit soldiers who killed innocent people up North.
Is it complusary on brit tv to wear one?


My bold above.

Not forgetting that it wasn't only Brits and Loyalist Death Squads who killed innocent people up north?

As for wearing a Poppy.  I imagine that most people who do choose to wear it, would probably  do so in remembrance of those men and women ( Yes - including many Irish volunteers who didn't want to be ruled by a Fascist regime) who died in two World Wars so that most of Western Europe including Ireland, wouldn't be speaking German today.

The discussion is about poppies. Hence the relevance of brits murdering in Ireland.

If you are trying to stir sh1t, at least do so in terms relevant to the discussion ffs.

If you check above, you will see that it was Sligonian, who first mentioned "brit soldiers who killed innocent people up North".  Why didn't you have a pop at him?

 
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Orior on November 14, 2010, 12:18:59 PM
Someone forgot to pin a poppy to Eddie Jordan today. Heads will roll.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: spanner on November 14, 2010, 12:29:57 PM
Someone forgot to pin a poppy to Eddie Jordan today. Heads will roll.

Especially if it was being televised on the BBC.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 14, 2010, 12:36:30 PM
Lads, I work in the BBC, on the 11th there was a 2 minute silence in the office, I simply logged myself out of the computer and went to the toilet for 2 minutes, there was about 4 people in my office out of 20 or so wearing a poppy...on Easter I wear my Lilly for the whole week of Easter, I had only one complaint about that last year, i refused to remove it due to the poppy issue and no more was said, I have no problem with the ordinary working class unionist or Stoops (as they know no better) people wearing a poppy, I do get annoyed tho when I see the likes of Colin Farrell, Frank Mitchell (big Down GAA man, yeah rite) and the other so-called Irish celebrities who wear the poppy just because they are told to.
You of course have evidence that these people are told to wear poppies? Colin Farrell isn't an employee of the BBC so I doubt if they would have cancelled his appearance on The Graham Norton show if he said he wasn't wearing a poppy. Try again.
You think it's a coincidence they're all wearing one?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ONeill on November 14, 2010, 01:02:04 PM
Lads, I work in the BBC, on the 11th there was a 2 minute silence in the office, I simply logged myself out of the computer and went to the toilet for 2 minutes, there was about 4 people in my office out of 20 or so wearing a poppy...on Easter I wear my Lilly for the whole week of Easter, I had only one complaint about that last year, i refused to remove it due to the poppy issue and no more was said, I have no problem with the ordinary working class unionist or Stoops (as they know no better) people wearing a poppy, I do get annoyed tho when I see the likes of Colin Farrell, Frank Mitchell (big Down GAA man, yeah rite) and the other so-called Irish celebrities who wear the poppy just because they are told to.

I'm nearly sure Frank Mitchill's grandfather fought in WW2.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Rossfan on November 14, 2010, 02:26:20 PM
died in two World Wars so that most of Western Europe including Ireland, wouldn't be speaking German today.

So it's alright to have fcukin English Béarla bet into us over 400 years but God forbid we might have to speak its first cousin Deutsch.
Anyway we might as well take up the Deutsch as they'll be paying our wages ,pensions etc for the next 20 years.  ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2010, 02:46:21 PM
Sidebottom wearing Poppy at Casement!!

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ONeill on November 14, 2010, 02:48:25 PM
Sorry, it's actually Sidebottom, not Frank Mitchell, whose grandfather was a war veteran.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Minder on November 14, 2010, 02:50:46 PM
Sorry, it's actually Sidebottom, not Frank Mitchell, whose grandfather was a war veteran.

Correct, his oul feller is English.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 14, 2010, 02:53:31 PM
Lads, I work in the BBC, on the 11th there was a 2 minute silence in the office, I simply logged myself out of the computer and went to the toilet for 2 minutes, there was about 4 people in my office out of 20 or so wearing a poppy...on Easter I wear my Lilly for the whole week of Easter, I had only one complaint about that last year, i refused to remove it due to the poppy issue and no more was said, I have no problem with the ordinary working class unionist or Stoops (as they know no better) people wearing a poppy, I do get annoyed tho when I see the likes of Colin Farrell, Frank Mitchell (big Down GAA man, yeah rite) and the other so-called Irish celebrities who wear the poppy just because they are told to.
You of course have evidence that these people are told to wear poppies? Colin Farrell isn't an employee of the BBC so I doubt if they would have cancelled his appearance on The Graham Norton show if he said he wasn't wearing a poppy. Try again.
You think it's a coincidence they're all wearing one?
There is a huge difference between being asked to wear one and being told/forced to wear one. I have no doubt they were asked to wear one. I can't imagine they would have been sanctioned if they refused the offer.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ziggysego on November 14, 2010, 03:44:51 PM
Asked or "asked".

I've no problem anyone wearing Poppies, Unionist or Nationalist. I just don't think they should feel pressured into wearing one.

Just look at the shite Alan Sugar got into on Twitter during the week, maddness.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Sandino on November 14, 2010, 04:56:05 PM
If yoiu looked at Eddie Jordan today you could see that he was indeed wearing a small metal poppy pin. This was visible on the one occasion that his arm dropped to reveal the pin. Me thinks Eddie was not wearing it by choice.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ziggysego on November 14, 2010, 05:00:18 PM
If yoiu looked at Eddie Jordan today you could see that he was indeed wearing a small metal poppy pin. This was visible on the one occasion that his arm dropped to revel the pin. Me thinks Eddie was not wearing it by choice.

He seemed to be doing his damnest to keep it covered.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 14, 2010, 07:42:24 PM
celtic had them on their jerseys today, but sunderland hadn't
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 14, 2010, 08:54:04 PM
Quote
Quote from: Banana Man on Today at 09:03:19 AM
I don't have a problem with other people going off on a tangent as long as they don't then try to use that tangent to form an argument with myself. Unlike you, you have engaged me by using a tangent. I mentioned Ms Parker Bowles as Patrick Kielty was meeting her, if he had been meeting an African leader for example I wouldn't then have mentioned the ills of African society and done a running commentary on the rights or wrongs based on the Continent's history of genocidal warfare.

But an African leader would have no relevance to a discussion on the poppy. The poppy represents the fallen crown forces. The link is quite clear. I just questioned why someone would think that it's great that someone isn't wearing a poppy when they meet a member of the royal family. That's not a tangent; it's developing the discussion.

You just proved my point Maguire against yourself, thanks for that. An African leader in the photo has no relevance to the discussion of poppies just like the mistress of Charles Windsor has no relevance to it so why would i mention it. I reiteriate that if you want to discuss Irish personalities meeting with the royals then start a separate topic and I will gladly contribute to the debate (provided you can stay on topic of course).
You're not grasping this at all.
You think it's bad to wear the poppy, commemorating deceased members of the crown forces... yet it's grand to hang out with the wife of the heir to that same crown and the  Commander-in-Chief of those same forces. That's the link. Simple. If it was the head of an African state, there wouldn't have been a link.


I haven't once commented on whether or not it is grand to hang out with anyone, I am trying to discuss the wearing of poppies. And it is increasingly difficult to maintain the focus when you keep trying to divert of on a tangent to give you some pathetic chink of light to grasp at to maintain your part in the discussion.

I repeat, if you want to discuss meeting members of a foreign monarchy feel free to start a new topic and put your points on that and I will engage you on that debate bt if you can't maintain focus on one emblem I dismay at the prospect of you trying to deal with an entire family including teir mistresses
Quote button fail! But at least you're giving it a go.  Keep trying - I've mastered it even with my lack of intelligence and limited education. :P

I'm sorry you're finding it difficult to "maintain the focus". As you'll see over the last few pages, discussions develop. It's part of debate.

Tell you what lad , you might have been able to quote other people but there isn't much point in people quoting you when you talk nothing but shite ffs

if you stuck to the topic and offered debate i might put in a bigger effort

on another note westlife didn't have any poppies on on the x factor. Bit late in the day seeing as the boys helped launch the poppy appeal a few years back  ::)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: twotwocharlie on November 14, 2010, 09:02:21 PM
Margaret Richie was out today wearing her poppy.

ROLL ON EASTER
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 14, 2010, 09:08:54 PM
Margaret Richie was out today wearing her poppy.

ROLL ON EASTER

shes clambering for the last scraping of votes out of the alliance and moderate unionist voters in south down ffs, pity there wasn't a more credible shinner than Ruane. She'd sell her soul for power. As Braveheart said ''fighting for the scraps of longshanks' table'' - sums her up to a tee for me.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 14, 2010, 09:20:04 PM
Margaret Richie was out today wearing her poppy.

ROLL ON EASTER

shes clambering for the last scraping of votes out of the alliance and moderate unionist voters in south down ffs, pity there wasn't a more credible shinner than Ruane. She'd sell her soul for power. As Braveheart said ''fighting for the scraps of longshanks' table'' - sums her up to a tee for me.
I don't see how this is any different to Alex Maskey laying a wreath at the City Hall. Surely it's just paying respect to the Irish men and women who died in the wars.
And with a majority of 8,000, she hardly needs to scrape a few votes.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: seanmacdiarmada on November 14, 2010, 09:42:33 PM
Lads, I work in the BBC, on the 11th there was a 2 minute silence in the office, I simply logged myself out of the computer and went to the toilet for 2 minutes, there was about 4 people in my office out of 20 or so wearing a poppy...on Easter I wear my Lilly for the whole week of Easter, I had only one complaint about that last year, i refused to remove it due to the poppy issue and no more was said, I have no problem with the ordinary working class unionist or Stoops (as they know no better) people wearing a poppy, I do get annoyed tho when I see the likes of Colin Farrell, Frank Mitchell (big Down GAA man, yeah rite) and the other so-called Irish celebrities who wear the poppy just because they are told to.
You of course have evidence that these people are told to wear poppies? Colin Farrell isn't an employee of the BBC so I doubt if they would have cancelled his appearance on The Graham Norton show if he said he wasn't wearing a poppy. Try again.
You think it's a coincidence they're all wearing one?
There is a huge difference between being asked to wear one and being told/forced to wear one. I have no doubt they were asked to wear one. I can't imagine they would have been sanctioned if they refused the offer.

Sorry Tony when I said told to wear one I should have said asked, same thing really...they could have said no regardless...thats what annoys me about it
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Orangemac on November 14, 2010, 11:51:15 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned earlier but bit of a row kicking off in Fermanagh.

Imagine how hard it would be to listen to GAA if they lived somewhere else ;)

http://www.impartialreporter.com/news/roundup/articles/2010/11/12/392550-poppies-divide-workforce-at-quinn-insurance/
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 15, 2010, 12:15:51 AM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them

Good to see free choice is alive and well. If they want to wear them, so what and yes i know symbolisim etc. Plenty of Irish men in the ranks of the British Army over the years.
Money talks, all those Irish working in england wear them, its more a symbol of the irish licking the holes of brits, pandering for votes or money. I see it as selling your soul. Do they realise there supporting the comfortable retirement of all those brit soldiers who killed innocent people up North.
Is it complusary on brit tv to wear one?


My bold above.

Not forgetting that it wasn't only Brits and Loyalist Death Squads who killed innocent people up north?

As for wearing a Poppy.  I imagine that most people who do choose to wear it, would probably  do so in remembrance of those men and women ( Yes - including many Irish volunteers who didn't want to be ruled by a Fascist regime) who died in two World Wars so that most of Western Europe including Ireland, wouldn't be speaking German today.

The discussion is about poppies. Hence the relevance of brits murdering in Ireland.

If you are trying to stir sh1t, at least do so in terms relevant to the discussion ffs.

If you check above, you will see that it was Sligonian, who first mentioned "brit soldiers who killed innocent people up North".  Why didn't you have a pop at him?

Because his point was about the activities of the brit the troops who stand to benefit from poppy sales. The thread is about poppies.

Your post is an attempt to deflect attention from the brits on what is a thread about poppies. You are attempting to stir shite and are piss poor a it. Hence the number of times you have been told as much in your short board membership.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 15, 2010, 12:42:46 AM
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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 15, 2010, 07:50:14 AM
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 ::)
Again, the difference between this and Alex Maskey laying a wreath at the City Hall?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 15, 2010, 09:01:49 AM
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 ::)
Again, the difference between this and Alex Maskey laying a wreath at the City Hall?

For a start Alex Maskey is better looking  :D

Maskey led a wreath and not at the same time as the pomp and triumphalist ceremonial activities that Ritchie partook in. His was a wreath not a poppy, it was to acknowledge that yes, men did die, Irishmen among them and they deserve to be remembered. About that I think we can all agree. The point is she is wearing a poppy that represents just British servicemen and all wars that they fought in. There is a clear difference and yes it is pandering to maintain her votes.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thebigfella on November 15, 2010, 09:10:47 AM
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 ::)
Again, the difference between this and Alex Maskey laying a wreath at the City Hall?

For a start Alex Maskey is better looking  :D

Maskey led a wreath and not at the same time as the pomp and triumphalist ceremonial activities that Ritchie partook in. His was a wreath not a poppy, it was to acknowledge that yes, men did die, Irishmen among them and they deserve to be remembered. About that I think we can all agree. The point is she is wearing a poppy that represents just British servicemen and all wars that they fought in. There is a clear difference and yes it is pandering to maintain her votes.

FFS do you ever read the shite you write?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 15, 2010, 09:12:14 AM
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 ::)
Again, the difference between this and Alex Maskey laying a wreath at the City Hall?

The difference is that Maskey's wreath-laying was part of his official duties as Lord Mayor. It was part of the job description. Margaret Ritchie chose to wear hers. Although given the overwhelming pressure on people to conform as exemplfied by the whole Donna Traynor incident, I'm not sure she was entirely free to choose. And that is the crucial point
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 15, 2010, 09:19:02 AM
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 ::)
Again, the difference between this and Alex Maskey laying a wreath at the City Hall?

For a start Alex Maskey is better looking  :D

Maskey led a wreath and not at the same time as the pomp and triumphalist ceremonial activities that Ritchie partook in. His was a wreath not a poppy, it was to acknowledge that yes, men did die, Irishmen among them and they deserve to be remembered. About that I think we can all agree. The point is she is wearing a poppy that represents just British servicemen and all wars that they fought in. There is a clear difference and yes it is pandering to maintain her votes.

FFS do you ever read the shite you write?

That was a great contribution there lad, so you got anything to add there to start a discussion or can you not crawl above profanities?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: funtime frankie on November 15, 2010, 09:57:35 AM
Maguire, I'll try and answer that question. First of all I'm not speaking for Maskey and I sure as jaysus am not speaking on behalf of any stoop.

Many posters on this site have quite correctly referred to the fact that many Irish men have died in conflicts whilst serving the British crown.Because these men have died in conflict doesn't necessarily warrant them worthy of remembrance. In my opinion the only Irish men who died whilst fighting in the ranks of the British army and who are worthy of remembrance are those who died in WWI, thereafter, any Irish who died in the service of Britain, to me, are nothing. They have made their choice to serve Britain and in so doing have become part of the same machine which was responsible for the naked terrorism on our streets. 

My reasoning for highlighting the dead of WWI is to do with the fact that many of those men were advised by Redmond and Co that in fighting in the trenches that they were serving the cause of Ireland. Is it fitting to recall the memory of these men by wearing a poppy? I don't believe that it is.

To quote from the ballad, "The Foggy Dew,"

"Had they died by Pearse's side
Or had fought with Cathal Brugha
Their names we'll keep where the Fenians sleep
'Neath the shroud of the Foggy Dew."

The poppy is promoted by the Royal British Legion. This symbol embraces all the British war dead and it is worth recalling that this war dead includes those who murdered innocents in Croke Park, Derry and Ballymurphy. In contributing to the Poppy appeal one is assisting this organisation in its work. Personally, I have no desire to help pay for a guide dog for a Para who lost his sight in Crossmaglen or assist in paying for a wheelchair for an SAS man who lost a leg on the Falls Road. I have seen and experienced at first hand the terror that these people have inflicted and they most certainly do not have my admiration. What I don't understand is why so many Irish people feel this need to fall over themselves to contribute to this nonsense.

I believe by not wearing a poppy but yet laying a wreath at the cenotaph that Maskey was highlighting this important difference.

Ritchie's act on the other hand smacks of nothing else other than grandstanding. I laughed when I read last week that she issued a statement that it was OK for nationalists (deliberate small n) to wear a poppy. Who made Ritchie the spokesperson for nationalists?

By issuing such a statement it goes to show how out of step this woman is and let's remember by wearing a poppy she was honouring those same British soldiers who held this nation in the grip of fear and terror. Let's also remember it was only in the recent past that they withdrew from our streets and that they are still housed in barracks in Ireland.

I believe that we should recall the memory of the dead of WWI. However, the poppy is not an acceptable emblem and our act of remembrance should be disassociated from the British act. I honestly believe that it is a slur and an insult on the memory of those who have died in the service of this country to include those from here who have died in the service of Britain post WWI in the same act.





 
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 15, 2010, 10:25:39 AM
Margaret Richie was out today wearing her poppy.

ROLL ON EASTER
She was at Casement was she wearing it there?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 15, 2010, 10:25:59 AM
Maguire01,

Alex Maskey was acting in his capacity as Mayor when he laid his wreath. His wreath was also not a poppy one. He laid a laurel wreath with an inscription of:
 "In memory of all the men who made the supreme sacrifice at the Battle of the Somme and during the First World War and in recognition of the sorrow, suffering and sense of loss of their relatives, friends and comrades".

Ritchie, acting in her capacity as stoop leader, wore an emblem which commemorates, and is used as a fund raiser for ALL british veterans. This was a WW commemoration yes, but why not follow Alex Maskey's lead and lay a wreath or simply be in attendance, if remembrance of WW1 was her honest objective, rather than wear a symbol representative of every british army veteran of every british army campaign of occupation, terrorism and imperialism?

From what I can see, it is yet one more sad instance of the stoops stooping lower as they slowly but surely morph into a UUP/Alliance Party blend.

I wonder how the families of Ireland's many british army victims felt yesterday watching a "nationalist" (I use the term lightly) "leader" (again, I use the term lightly) adorn herself with a poppy.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 15, 2010, 10:47:05 AM
Maguire01,

Alex Maskey was acting in his capacity as Mayor when he laid his wreath. His wreath was also not a poppy one. He laid a laurel wreath with an inscription of:
 "In memory of all the men who made the supreme sacrifice at the Battle of the Somme and during the First World War and in recognition of the sorrow, suffering and sense of loss of their relatives, friends and comrades".
Ritchie, acting in her capacity as stoop leader, wore an emblem which commemorates, and is used as a fund raiser for ALL british veterans. This was a WW commemoration yes, but why not follow Alex Maskey's lead and lay a wreath or simply be in attendance, if remembrance of WW1 was her honest objective, rather than wear a symbol representative of every british army veteran of every british army campaign of occupation, terrorism and imperialism?

From what I can see, it is yet one more sad instance of the stoops stooping lower as they slowly but surely morph into a UUP/Alliance Party blend.

I wonder how the families of Ireland's many british army victims felt yesterday watching a "nationalist" (I use the term lightly) "leader" (again, I use the term lightly) adorn herself with a poppy.

that was exactly my point, some lads here need to open their eyes
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 15, 2010, 10:52:19 AM
that was exactly my point, some lads here need to open their eyes

 :)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 15, 2010, 12:33:43 PM
maybe there should be some kind of 'joining together' in the 'sprit' of embracing all sides of the communities....we should honour all of our fallen dead - from ancient celtic warriors and before, to ww1 and ww2, modern day rebels from early part of the 20th century and our more recent IRA/UVF etc etc
that way all sides have their heroes/soldiers remembered and the poppy symbol will no longer be divisive...
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: seafoid on November 15, 2010, 05:39:51 PM
It is only right to remember the cannon fodder of the 2 world wars but the poppy is about more than that.

The British war machine is now murdering civilians in Afghanistan and that's as much part of remembrance day as the somme in 1916. I never liked the poppy. Too much hypocrisy.  This was in today's Sun.


"PRINCE William paid heartfelt tribute to Britain's fallen heroes yesterday - as he spent Remembrance Sunday in Afghanistan. His visit to Camp Bastion in Helmand Province had been kept a close secret for his safety. So 2,500 British and Commonwealth troops were surprised and delighted when the Prince joined them for their parade ground service.  He solemnly saluted after laying a poppy wreath at the camp's memorial to lost comrades.   And, as the Queen led the traditional remembrance ceremony at the Cenotaph in Whitehall, 28-year-old William paid tribute to the nation's backing for its heroes.
He said in an interview: "The country is as fervent today in its support for our Armed Forces and the sacrifices that they make as it has ever been.   "The awareness of what young men and women are doing for us in the most extreme and hostile environments imaginable is striking and moving.  "I find this remarkable and, frankly, humbling."
William, an RAF Search and Rescue chopper pilot, honoured two of his friends yesterday.   A poignant message on his wreath said: "For Jo, Lex and all those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our country."  Joanna Dyer, 24, was a fellow officer cadet at Sandhurst. She joined the Intelligence Corps but was killed in 2007 in Iraq.   Major Lex Roberts, 32, of the Royal Gurkha Rifles, was William's mentor at Sandhurst. He also died in 2007, victim of a roadside bomb in Afghanistan. The Prince attended his funeral.
Defence Secretary Liam Fox, who was with William at Camp Bastion, said: "When you are talking about the sacrifices, this is where they are made.   "This is where it's at its most raw, its most painful and its most proud."   The troops - told of William's visit only 15 minutes before he arrived - included old pals. One, a Lynx helicopter pilot, said: "I know him from flying training when he came through with the Army Air Corps at Middle Wallop. He remembered us - it's a small world."
William's trip took him one step closer to fulfilling his ambition of serving on the frontline - as his soldier brother Harry already has. "

Pointless deaths in Afghanistan and nothing to be proud of. When they pull out of Afghanistan they won't have achieved anything. 
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lurganblue on November 15, 2010, 05:46:12 PM
Saw a guy wearing one as he past me in gordons chemist earlier. Now that
Rememberance Sunday is over, when are they put away?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Rossfan on November 15, 2010, 06:29:10 PM
I see some of those commemorating the Connaught(sic) Rangers in Boyle yesterday were wearing the hated poppy symbol of the British Murder Machine  >:( >:( :(
Why the fcuk can they not simply remember the men from the former Regiment who died without strutting around with that hated yoke stuck on their coats.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 15, 2010, 10:21:24 PM
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 ::)
Again, the difference between this and Alex Maskey laying a wreath at the City Hall?

For a start Alex Maskey is better looking  :D
Genius.

Maskey led a wreath and not at the same time as the pomp and triumphalist ceremonial activities that Ritchie partook in. His was a wreath not a poppy, it was to acknowledge that yes, men did die, Irishmen among them and they deserve to be remembered. About that I think we can all agree. The point is she is wearing a poppy that represents just British servicemen and all wars that they fought in. There is a clear difference and yes it is pandering to maintain her votes.
Well she has stated the basis for her wearing it:
Quote
Ms Ritchie, South Down MP, said her party believed in reconciliation on the island of Ireland and wanted to acknowledge Irish nationalists who fought in two world wars and had been airbrushed out of history.
"We have to reach out and I was doing that by reaching out to those who lost loved ones in both wars," she said.
"I simply see this as an act of remembrance, an act of respect, moving on and reaching out."

Some will agree, some won't. Although I wouldn't call it a 'triumphalist' ceremony.
It's no doubt part of the wider strategy to reach out to Unionists.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 15, 2010, 10:23:37 PM
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 ::)
Again, the difference between this and Alex Maskey laying a wreath at the City Hall?

The difference is that Maskey's wreath-laying was part of his official duties as Lord Mayor. It was part of the job description. Margaret Ritchie chose to wear hers. Although given the overwhelming pressure on people to conform as exemplfied by the whole Donna Traynor incident, I'm not sure she was entirely free to choose. And that is the crucial point
Rubbish. Since when did Sinn Fein do something because it was "part of the job description"? The job description for Westminster says you sit in Westminster.
He did it because he wanted to - and it's nothing to be ashamed of.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 15, 2010, 10:27:14 PM
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 ::)
Again, the difference between this and Alex Maskey laying a wreath at the City Hall?

For a start Alex Maskey is better looking  :D
Genius.

Maskey led a wreath and not at the same time as the pomp and triumphalist ceremonial activities that Ritchie partook in. His was a wreath not a poppy, it was to acknowledge that yes, men did die, Irishmen among them and they deserve to be remembered. About that I think we can all agree. The point is she is wearing a poppy that represents just British servicemen and all wars that they fought in. There is a clear difference and yes it is pandering to maintain her votes.
Well she has stated the basis for her wearing it:
Quote
Ms Ritchie, South Down MP, said her party believed in reconciliation on the island of Ireland and wanted to acknowledge Irish nationalists who fought in two world wars and had been airbrushed out of history.
"We have to reach out and I was doing that by reaching out to those who lost loved ones in both wars," she said.
"I simply see this as an act of remembrance, an act of respect, moving on and reaching out."

Some will agree, some won't. Although I wouldn't call it a 'triumphalist' ceremony.
It's no doubt part of the wider strategy to reach out to Unionists.

maguire that's sugarcoating if ever i heard it  :D

outreach to unionists in this instance in your words is a pathetic attempt on spin of pandering and stooping for votes to maintain her unquenchable thirst for power and you know it well.

The Shinners appointed a dedicated party member to deal with unionist outreach long ago and work quietly behind the scenes, not strutting about a memorial, stoney faced with a flower hanging off their lapel
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 15, 2010, 10:38:33 PM
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 ::)
Again, the difference between this and Alex Maskey laying a wreath at the City Hall?

For a start Alex Maskey is better looking  :D
Genius.

Maskey led a wreath and not at the same time as the pomp and triumphalist ceremonial activities that Ritchie partook in. His was a wreath not a poppy, it was to acknowledge that yes, men did die, Irishmen among them and they deserve to be remembered. About that I think we can all agree. The point is she is wearing a poppy that represents just British servicemen and all wars that they fought in. There is a clear difference and yes it is pandering to maintain her votes.
Well she has stated the basis for her wearing it:
Quote
Ms Ritchie, South Down MP, said her party believed in reconciliation on the island of Ireland and wanted to acknowledge Irish nationalists who fought in two world wars and had been airbrushed out of history.
"We have to reach out and I was doing that by reaching out to those who lost loved ones in both wars," she said.
"I simply see this as an act of remembrance, an act of respect, moving on and reaching out."

Some will agree, some won't. Although I wouldn't call it a 'triumphalist' ceremony.
It's no doubt part of the wider strategy to reach out to Unionists.

maguire that's sugarcoating if ever i heard it  :D

outreach to unionists in this instance in your words is a pathetic attempt on spin of pandering and stooping for votes to maintain her unquenchable thirst for power and you know it well.

The Shinners appointed a dedicated party member to deal with unionist outreach long ago and work quietly behind the scenes, not strutting about a memorial, stoney faced with a flower hanging off their lapel
And what has she achieved?

There are serious double standards at play. Gerry says a handful of protestants in West Belfast voted for him and it's hailed as a success (even if the claim itself was dubious). Thousands of protestants vote for Ritchie in South Down and it's a source of ridicule.

At the end of the day, you can mock, but if you're trying to convince Unionists that a United Ireland is a good idea, i'd put my money on Ritchie before Anderson.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 15, 2010, 10:44:29 PM
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 ::)
Again, the difference between this and Alex Maskey laying a wreath at the City Hall?

For a start Alex Maskey is better looking  :D
Genius.

Maskey led a wreath and not at the same time as the pomp and triumphalist ceremonial activities that Ritchie partook in. His was a wreath not a poppy, it was to acknowledge that yes, men did die, Irishmen among them and they deserve to be remembered. About that I think we can all agree. The point is she is wearing a poppy that represents just British servicemen and all wars that they fought in. There is a clear difference and yes it is pandering to maintain her votes.
Well she has stated the basis for her wearing it:
Quote
Ms Ritchie, South Down MP, said her party believed in reconciliation on the island of Ireland and wanted to acknowledge Irish nationalists who fought in two world wars and had been airbrushed out of history.
"We have to reach out and I was doing that by reaching out to those who lost loved ones in both wars," she said.
"I simply see this as an act of remembrance, an act of respect, moving on and reaching out."

Some will agree, some won't. Although I wouldn't call it a 'triumphalist' ceremony.
It's no doubt part of the wider strategy to reach out to Unionists.

maguire that's sugarcoating if ever i heard it  :D

outreach to unionists in this instance in your words is a pathetic attempt on spin of pandering and stooping for votes to maintain her unquenchable thirst for power and you know it well.

The Shinners appointed a dedicated party member to deal with unionist outreach long ago and work quietly behind the scenes, not strutting about a memorial, stoney faced with a flower hanging off their lapel
And what has she achieved?

There are serious double standards at play. Gerry says a handful of protestants in West Belfast voted for him and it's hailed as a success (even if the claim itself was dubious). Thousands of protestants vote for Ritchie in South Down and it's a source of ridicule.

At the end of the day, you can mock, but if you're trying to convince Unionists that a United Ireland is a good idea, i'd put my money on Ritchie before Anderson.

Tell me this Maguire, do you honestly and genuinely believe that a United Ireland is high on the agenda of Ritchie or even the SDLP for that matter?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 15, 2010, 10:48:44 PM
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 ::)
Again, the difference between this and Alex Maskey laying a wreath at the City Hall?

For a start Alex Maskey is better looking  :D
Genius.

Maskey led a wreath and not at the same time as the pomp and triumphalist ceremonial activities that Ritchie partook in. His was a wreath not a poppy, it was to acknowledge that yes, men did die, Irishmen among them and they deserve to be remembered. About that I think we can all agree. The point is she is wearing a poppy that represents just British servicemen and all wars that they fought in. There is a clear difference and yes it is pandering to maintain her votes.
Well she has stated the basis for her wearing it:
Quote
Ms Ritchie, South Down MP, said her party believed in reconciliation on the island of Ireland and wanted to acknowledge Irish nationalists who fought in two world wars and had been airbrushed out of history.
"We have to reach out and I was doing that by reaching out to those who lost loved ones in both wars," she said.
"I simply see this as an act of remembrance, an act of respect, moving on and reaching out."

Some will agree, some won't. Although I wouldn't call it a 'triumphalist' ceremony.
It's no doubt part of the wider strategy to reach out to Unionists.

maguire that's sugarcoating if ever i heard it  :D

outreach to unionists in this instance in your words is a pathetic attempt on spin of pandering and stooping for votes to maintain her unquenchable thirst for power and you know it well.

The Shinners appointed a dedicated party member to deal with unionist outreach long ago and work quietly behind the scenes, not strutting about a memorial, stoney faced with a flower hanging off their lapel
And what has she achieved?

There are serious double standards at play. Gerry says a handful of protestants in West Belfast voted for him and it's hailed as a success (even if the claim itself was dubious). Thousands of protestants vote for Ritchie in South Down and it's a source of ridicule.

At the end of the day, you can mock, but if you're trying to convince Unionists that a United Ireland is a good idea, i'd put my money on Ritchie before Anderson.

Tell me this Maguire, do you honestly and genuinely believe that a United Ireland is high on the agenda of Ritchie or even the SDLP for that matter?
It's as high on their agenda as anyone else's.
But it's not happening in the near future anyway, for any amount of reasons - anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. So a long-term strategy is normalisation and integration.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hereiam on November 15, 2010, 10:50:48 PM
I'm sorry but this woman hasn't a clue. She is counting on the young people who never really expearinced the troubles and are fresh voters to vote SDLP. They won't its as simple as that.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 15, 2010, 11:17:26 PM
Arguing about united irelands one minute then x-factor the next

Personally find it hard to take someone seriously when x factor takes up part his/her daily thoughts.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: norabeag on November 15, 2010, 11:55:15 PM
Ritchie is going to be the ruination of the stoops.  An awful politician.
Agreed

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ritchie is the most hated politician in lots of areas of south down and that includes the unionists. her only support is in her home town of downpatrick and with unionists determined to keep the shinners out at any cost. her decision to wear a poppy just shows how out of touch the sdlp have become with working class nationlists.
She's not from Downpatrick and we would never claimed her. As far as I recall she's from Crossgar/Sainfield area. Though faced with a choice between her and Ruane well, it really was some choice!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ziggysego on November 16, 2010, 12:30:18 AM
Saw a guy wearing one as he past me in gordons chemist earlier. Now that
Rememberance Sunday is over, when are they put away?

I saw a bloke this morning, with one on his dog's collar.  :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: seafoid on November 16, 2010, 08:24:27 AM

Tell me this Maguire, do you honestly and genuinely believe that a United Ireland is high on the agenda of Ritchie or even the SDLP for that matter?
[/quote]

Do you honestly think, Bananaman, that 51% of people living in the 26 counties want a united ireland ?  Most of them couldn't care less. 
And who do you think would pay for it ? The European Central Bank ?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 08:54:55 AM

Tell me this Maguire, do you honestly and genuinely believe that a United Ireland is high on the agenda of Ritchie or even the SDLP for that matter?

Do you honestly think, Bananaman, that 51% of people living in the 26 counties want a united ireland ?  Most of them couldn't care less. 
And who do you think would pay for it ? The European Central Bank ?
[/quote]

i think a better question seafoid would be do we want to join you's the mess you's are in. People ridicule the leaders in the north but it ain't any better in Mexico lad.

And yes I do believe it is well over 51%
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 08:59:09 AM
Arguing about united irelands one minute then x-factor the next

Personally find it hard to take someone seriously when x factor takes up part his/her daily thoughts.

your some boy skull, that's 2 little jabs you have had without coming out and saying it straight, in short your spineless, mention my name if you want to have a pop instead of shooting from the sidelines.

I might not agree with Maguire but I respect that he argues his case and engages me directly. But you need to grow a set.

As for the unimpressive attempt at a pop quoted above I didn't realise there was a pre-requisite of TV programming that was required/excluded in order to be able to debate politics  ::)

Must try harder Skull
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Sallylalala on November 16, 2010, 10:00:52 AM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them

Mary Byrne has NEVER worn a poppy on the X Factor, check back her You Tube videos, she's never, ever worn one.  I've noticed that every week.  Louis Walsh certainly does, I don't know about the lad from West Meath. 

But Mary has definitely not worn one.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 16, 2010, 10:09:37 AM

Tell me this Maguire, do you honestly and genuinely believe that a United Ireland is high on the agenda of Ritchie or even the SDLP for that matter?

Do you honestly think, Bananaman, that 51% of people living in the 26 counties want a united ireland ?  Most of them couldn't care less. 
And who do you think would pay for it ? The European Central Bank ?
[/quote]

 Are you one of those people who don't want a united Ireland seafoid?

I don't think nationalists/republicans in the north need to be reminded that a large degree of free state f***ers don't give a fcuk about their fellow countrymen in the six counties, as long as their county falls into one of the 26 freed ones.

History will judge ye lot very very poorly.

Although in saying that, whislt I agree that most, to their shame, don't understand and don't give a sh1t about the north of the country, if it came to a vote, yes, over 51% would vote for a UI. A LOT more.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: seafoid on November 16, 2010, 10:21:01 AM

Tell me this Maguire, do you honestly and genuinely believe that a United Ireland is high on the agenda of Ritchie or even the SDLP for that matter?

Do you honestly think, Bananaman, that 51% of people living in the 26 counties want a united ireland ?  Most of them couldn't care less. 
And who do you think would pay for it ? The European Central Bank ?

 Are you one of those people who don't want a united Ireland seafoid?
I don't think nationalists/republicans in the north need to be reminded that a large degree of free state f***ers don't give a fcuk about their fellow countrymen in the six counties, as long as their county falls into one of the 26 freed ones.
History will judge ye lot very very poorly. Although in saying that, whislt I agree that most, to their shame, don't understand and don't give a sh1t about the north of the country, if it came to a vote, yes, over 51% would vote for a UI. A LOT more.
[/quote]

I don't think the average FF moron voter cares about Northern Ireland, to be honest.  What did the South fritter the boom away on? PS salaries and an insane property mania. There was no investment in Northern Ireland other than property speculation.   When do you think southerners are likely to wake up ?
I would love to see my fellow citizens taking an interest in NI but most of them are too shortsighted and greedy.  They don't give a flying sausage about the Irish language either. 

I see the current situation continuing indefinitely. Northern Ireland is like A intersection B from maths. It is neither fully Irish nor fully British.  If I were a Unionist living in Northern Ireland all I would want is someone to keep funding my statelet. And the Brits are currently doing that. They don't want Northern Ireland either really but they feel some sort of fiscal responsibility.

Northern Ireland is a bigger version of Gibraltar.     
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 10:27:55 AM
there was some poll recently -or while during a survey, a question was asked about whether people wanted a re-united Ireland.
Most voters (I think around 65%) said they would like to see it alright.
Its not a 'demand' for it, but people in the south certainly would like to see things back the way they should be.
However, there is the whole question of economy and jobs first.
I always mainteinted that there will have to be perfect economic conditions along with the majority population swing in the north before reunification happens. the population swing will soon be there, the economic conditions wont be for a while.

Nally & Bananaman - dont think that people n the south DONT care, its just that there are other more pressing things that need to be rectified before thinking about the 'nice to haves' !
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: seafoid on November 16, 2010, 10:45:34 AM
I don't think people realise in what bad a state the Norn irn economy is.
Something like 40% of GDP is public sector. The economy was destroyed by "the Troubles".
And never recovered.  Plus they never got over the loss of the old prod industries like shipbuilding and linen
And there is a huge problem with the non working non educated Prod underclass. 
Northern Ireland will never be financially independent. 

Maybe the south won't either over the medium term  but that is more of a FF thing.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 10:52:25 AM
I don't think people realise in what bad a state the Norn irn economy is.
Something like 40% of GDP is public sector. The economy was destroyed by "the Troubles".
And never recovered.  Plus they never got over the loss of the old prod industries like shipbuilding and linen
And there is a huge problem with the non working non educated Prod underclass. 
Northern Ireland will never be financially independent. 
Maybe the south won't either over the medium term  but that is more of a FF thing.
actually Seafoid - there is massive undertakings to attract dev and industry to th enorth.
huge tax breaks and incentives.
I know of a number of companies in IT sector that have set up in the north or just set up offices and employees there as a branch of their HQ's - on the back of tax breaks and capital investment from British and Irish gov's !

it will take a while but if this continues, they will have a platform - akin to our own - with low corporation taxation bringing them in.

As the north has no history of decent ICT employment - the companies dont have any proper medium to advertise for jobs, and potential candidates dont seem to know where to look.
jobs websites apparantly get hits in in the dozens and the belfast telegraph (the traditional advertisment vehicle for job in the north) got three responses to a multi jobs advert in the past 6 months (IT related roles).
That just shows that the north doesnt have the candidates- as there are jobs up there but they cant get the people !! So if any of these public sector types can see the wood from the trees and are suitably qualified, they should jump fromthat sinking ship now!
There could be light at the end of that eco disasterous tunnel that is the northern economy !
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 16, 2010, 11:09:38 AM
I don't think people realise in what bad a state the Norn irn economy is.
Something like 40% of GDP is public sector. The economy was destroyed by "the Troubles".
And never recovered.  Plus they never got over the loss of the old prod industries like shipbuilding and linen
And there is a huge problem with the non working non educated Prod underclass. 
Northern Ireland will never be financially independent. 
Maybe the south won't either over the medium term  but that is more of a FF thing.
actually Seafoid - there is massive undertakings to attract dev and industry to th enorth.
huge tax breaks and incentives.
I know of a number of companies in IT sector that have set up in the north or just set up offices and employees there as a branch of their HQ's - on the back of tax breaks and capital investment from British and Irish gov's !

it will take a while but if this continues, they will have a platform - akin to our own - with low corporation taxation bringing them in.

As the north has no history of decent ICT employment - the companies dont have any proper medium to advertise for jobs, and potential candidates dont seem to know where to look.
jobs websites apparantly get hits in in the dozens and the belfast telegraph (the traditional advertisment vehicle for job in the north) got three responses to a multi jobs advert in the past 6 months (IT related roles).
That just shows that the north doesnt have the candidates- as there are jobs up there but they cant get the people !! So if any of these public sector types can see the wood from the trees and are suitably qualified, they should jump fromthat sinking ship now!
There could be light at the end of that eco disasterous tunnel that is the northern economy !
Our place can't get software developers in the door. However does the situation not show that the North needs to diversify and move away from a reliance on IT jobs created by multinationals with no ties there other than grant aid.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 16, 2010, 11:13:39 AM
Arguing about united irelands one minute then x-factor the next

Personally find it hard to take someone seriously when x factor takes up part his/her daily thoughts.

your some boy skull, that's 2 little jabs you have had without coming out and saying it straight, in short your spineless, mention my name if you want to have a pop instead of shooting from the sidelines.

I might not agree with Maguire but I respect that he argues his case and engages me directly. But you need to grow a set.

As for the unimpressive attempt at a pop quoted above I didn't realise there was a pre-requisite of TV programming that was required/excluded in order to be able to debate politics  ::)

Must try harder Skull
:)

I am arguing that you trying to make serious political comment one minute then tittle tattle opinions about the X factor the next, makes it impossible for me to take anything you say on these types of issues seriously. That show appeals in general to an audience that lacks the ability to think beyond the everyday minutia . Do you think the serious thinkers of our time would engage in conversions about rubbish such the Xfaxtor, bar venomously ridiculing it and its negative affects on populations? Open your eyes man  ;)



Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 11:22:10 AM
I don't think people realise in what bad a state the Norn irn economy is.
Something like 40% of GDP is public sector. The economy was destroyed by "the Troubles".
And never recovered.  Plus they never got over the loss of the old prod industries like shipbuilding and linen
And there is a huge problem with the non working non educated Prod underclass. 
Northern Ireland will never be financially independent. 
Maybe the south won't either over the medium term  but that is more of a FF thing.
actually Seafoid - there is massive undertakings to attract dev and industry to th enorth.
huge tax breaks and incentives.
I know of a number of companies in IT sector that have set up in the north or just set up offices and employees there as a branch of their HQ's - on the back of tax breaks and capital investment from British and Irish gov's !

it will take a while but if this continues, they will have a platform - akin to our own - with low corporation taxation bringing them in.

As the north has no history of decent ICT employment - the companies dont have any proper medium to advertise for jobs, and potential candidates dont seem to know where to look.
jobs websites apparantly get hits in in the dozens and the belfast telegraph (the traditional advertisment vehicle for job in the north) got three responses to a multi jobs advert in the past 6 months (IT related roles).
That just shows that the north doesnt have the candidates- as there are jobs up there but they cant get the people !! So if any of these public sector types can see the wood from the trees and are suitably qualified, they should jump fromthat sinking ship now!
There could be light at the end of that eco disasterous tunnel that is the northern economy !
Our place can't get software developers in the door. However does the situation not show that the North needs to diversify and move away from a reliance on IT jobs created by multinationals with no ties there other than grant aid.
once the north starts to be seen as a place where IT jobs are, it will attract a lot from the south - however there is a bit of a shortage in IT candidates down here right now too.
Eventually, if the corporation tax was set up to remain low and reflecting that of the south, the IT jobs and ICT sector would remain in good health and retain large employment.
You could say that re-unification would copper fasten this.
However if Ireland has to receive a 'bailout' it remains to be seen if a condition of this or behind the scenes agreement- would be to bring the Irish coprorate taxation rate into line with rest of EU.
then the whole of Ireland would be fecked and we are back to the 70's/80's again but this time with no outlet of USA/OZ/UK to jump to !
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 11:32:24 AM
Arguing about united irelands one minute then x-factor the next

Personally find it hard to take someone seriously when x factor takes up part his/her daily thoughts.

your some boy skull, that's 2 little jabs you have had without coming out and saying it straight, in short your spineless, mention my name if you want to have a pop instead of shooting from the sidelines.

I might not agree with Maguire but I respect that he argues his case and engages me directly. But you need to grow a set.

As for the unimpressive attempt at a pop quoted above I didn't realise there was a pre-requisite of TV programming that was required/excluded in order to be able to debate politics  ::)

Must try harder Skull
:)

I am arguing that you trying to make serious political comment one minute then tittle tattle opinions about the X factor the next, makes it impossible for me to take anything you say on these types of issues seriously. That show appeals in general to an audience that lacks the ability to think beyond the everyday minutia . Do you think the serious thinkers of our time would engage in conversions about rubbish such the Xfaxtor, bar venomously ridiculing it and its negative affects on populations? Open your eyes man  ;)

right so in YOUR OPINION people who have serious political opinions aren't allowed to watch certain programming because that would impinge on their ability to think through proper policies  ::)

Also everyone that watches these type of shows do not or should not be allowed to have a political opinion but should let other people with no outside interests or a TV in their house for that matter decide what direction the entire country should go in.

so you know every single person that watches X Factor or at the very least have conducted a poll drawn from X Factor viewers, asked them politically geared questions, broken down the results and you used this as the basis for your wide sweeping generalisation.

FFS catch a grip of reality
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 16, 2010, 12:14:43 PM
right so in YOUR OPINION people who have serious political opinions aren't allowed to watch certain programming because that would impinge on their ability to think through proper policies  ::)
Didn't say that. I said it puts into question their ability to make valid political arguments that should be listened to when they actively choose to watch egocentric bile like the xfactor. Do you think someone like Noam Chomsky sits down after dinner to watch American Idol or Paris Hilton Be My Best Friend?  :)

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Also everyone that watches these type of shows do not or should not be allowed to have a political opinion but should let other people with no outside interests or a TV in their house for that matter decide what direction the entire country should go in.
Yes to the first part because I believe in general that people who are drawn to watch absolute rubbish like xfactor lack the ability to REALLY think. The fact that they decide to watch it exposes that reality. Draconian maybe but there you go. No to the second part...just how did you interpret that that was what I was saying from my previous post???

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so you know every single person that watches X Factor or at the very least have conducted a poll drawn from X Factor viewers, asked them politically geared questions, broken down the results and you used this as the basis for your wide sweeping generalisation.
No...it's from my own observations of the people I know who dig the xfactor. They (in general) don't want to think beyond the everyday to do's in life. Ignorance is bliss for many and many watch the xfactor...I happen to think they are the same people. It's an unpalatable truth but I believe it's a truth none the less.

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FFS catch a grip of reality
What? Of your reality? No thanks
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 12:28:27 PM
right so in YOUR OPINION people who have serious political opinions aren't allowed to watch certain programming because that would impinge on their ability to think through proper policies  ::)
Didn't say that. I said it puts into question their ability to make valid political arguments that should be listened to when they actively choose to watch egocentric bile like the xfactor. Do you think someone like Noam Chomsky sits down after dinner to watch American Idol or Paris Hilton Be My Best Friend?  :)

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Also everyone that watches these type of shows do not or should not be allowed to have a political opinion but should let other people with no outside interests or a TV in their house for that matter decide what direction the entire country should go in.
Yes to the first part because I believe in general that people who are drawn to watch absolute rubbish like xfactor lack the ability to REALLY think. The fact that they decide to watch it exposes that reality. Draconian maybe but there you go. No to the second part...just how did you interpret that that was what I was saying from my previous post???

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so you know every single person that watches X Factor or at the very least have conducted a poll drawn from X Factor viewers, asked them politically geared questions, broken down the results and you used this as the basis for your wide sweeping generalisation.
No...it's from my own observations of the people I know who dig the xfactor. They (in general) don't want to think beyond the everyday to do's in life. Ignorance is bliss for many and many watch the xfactor...I happen to think they are the same people. It's an unpalatable truth but I believe it's a truth none the less.

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FFS catch a grip of reality
What? Of your reality? No thanks

well i think i can safely say you didn't make it through to judges house the skull, why so bitter did you try and sing a song in front of the judges the same way you try to structure (i use the term loosely) an argument i.e. make it up as you go along and devise your own tune.

Again you are assuming what people watch, how do you know what Noam Chomsky watches, let me guess, you done what you done with x factor viewers and made it up.

You have just stated that everyone who watches these shows should not be allowed a political opinion, well hitler is alive and well on the sod. Why don't you strip the vote of women and dish out votes based on the value of the rates you pay, maybe it's carson or craig that you are, you would like to reverse the civil rights movement.

You probably hate free speech too  ::)

so apart from standing sniping, what's your opinion, do you have one? maybe you don't have time, you're too busy standing in the bathroom singing into the mirror saying to yourself i'll prove Cowell and that whole X Factor show wrong

that's the spirit buddy, you keep trying  :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: glens abu on November 16, 2010, 12:44:26 PM
right so in YOUR OPINION people who have serious political opinions aren't allowed to watch certain programming because that would impinge on their ability to think through proper policies  ::)
Didn't say that. I said it puts into question their ability to make valid political arguments that should be listened to when they actively choose to watch egocentric bile like the xfactor. Do you think someone like Noam Chomsky sits down after dinner to watch American Idol or Paris Hilton Be My Best Friend?  :)

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Also everyone that watches these type of shows do not or should not be allowed to have a political opinion but should let other people with no outside interests or a TV in their house for that matter decide what direction the entire country should go in.
Yes to the first part because I believe in general that people who are drawn to watch absolute rubbish like xfactor lack the ability to REALLY think. The fact that they decide to watch it exposes that reality. Draconian maybe but there you go. No to the second part...just how did you interpret that that was what I was saying from my previous post???

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so you know every single person that watches X Factor or at the very least have conducted a poll drawn from X Factor viewers, asked them politically geared questions, broken down the results and you used this as the basis for your wide sweeping generalisation.
No...it's from my own observations of the people I know who dig the xfactor. They (in general) don't want to think beyond the everyday to do's in life. Ignorance is bliss for many and many watch the xfactor...I happen to think they are the same people. It's an unpalatable truth but I believe it's a truth none the less.

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FFS catch a grip of reality
What? Of your reality? No thanks

Unbelievable snobbery Skull ::)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 16, 2010, 12:53:37 PM
well i think i can safely say you didn't make it through to judges house the skull, why so bitter did you try and sing a song in front of the judges the same way you try to structure (i use the term loosely) an argument i.e. make it up as you go along and devise your own tune.


Close... I sang four green fields (on reflection I wish I'd have wore a poppy....might have helped my chances)

Simon said both I and the song weren't relevant to todays audience (consumers)
Cheryl thought a drum and bass mix might help the song. She winked at me as well .....which was nice
Danny liked it....think it was the fine old woman references
Lewy thought that jedwards version was much better

So 3 no's and 1 yes...that was me out. You can't argue with democracy can you?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 16, 2010, 12:58:32 PM
Unbelievable snobbery Skull ::)

Some will say snobbery. I prefer to consider it a form of despair.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 12:59:14 PM
well i think i can safely say you didn't make it through to judges house the skull, why so bitter did you try and sing a song in front of the judges the same way you try to structure (i use the term loosely) an argument i.e. make it up as you go along and devise your own tune.


Close... I sang four green fields (on reflection I wish I'd have wore a poppy....might have helped my chances)

Simon said both I and the song weren't relevant to todays audience (consumers)
Cheryl thought a drum and bass mix might help the song. She winked at me as well .....which was nice
Danny liked it....think it was the fine old woman references
Lewy thought that jedwards version was much better

So 3 no's and 1 yes...that was me out. You can't argue with democracy can you?

you would have thought that but you're giving it a quare go
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ludermor on November 16, 2010, 02:03:37 PM
This thread is a classic, cant believe i stayed away from it thinking it would be full of the usual politic bollix!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 16, 2010, 02:20:03 PM

Tell me this Maguire, do you honestly and genuinely believe that a United Ireland is high on the agenda of Ritchie or even the SDLP for that matter?

Do you honestly think, Bananaman, that 51% of people living in the 26 counties want a united ireland ?  Most of them couldn't care less. 
And who do you think would pay for it ? The European Central Bank ?

 Are you one of those people who don't want a united Ireland seafoid?
I don't think nationalists/republicans in the north need to be reminded that a large degree of free state f***ers don't give a fcuk about their fellow countrymen in the six counties, as long as their county falls into one of the 26 freed ones.
History will judge ye lot very very poorly. Although in saying that, whislt I agree that most, to their shame, don't understand and don't give a sh1t about the north of the country, if it came to a vote, yes, over 51% would vote for a UI. A LOT more.

I don't think the average FF moron voter cares about Northern Ireland, to be honest.  What did the South fritter the boom away on? PS salaries and an insane property mania. There was no investment in Northern Ireland other than property speculation.   When do you think southerners are likely to wake up ?
I would love to see my fellow citizens taking an interest in NI but most of them are too shortsighted and greedy.  They don't give a flying sausage about the Irish language either. 

I see the current situation continuing indefinitely. Northern Ireland is like A intersection B from maths. It is neither fully Irish nor fully British.  If I were a Unionist living in Northern Ireland all I would want is someone to keep funding my statelet. And the Brits are currently doing that. They don't want Northern Ireland either really but they feel some sort of fiscal responsibility.

Northern Ireland is a bigger version of Gibraltar.   
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That is a big statement which doesn't actually stack up, Kerry Group for example own and invest in the north, the southern government have also invested here as have many other countries, people forget that the state of the Irish economy was down to wreckless lending by the banks and much of to northerners, and who is footing the bill? you got it southern taxpayers.
On the national question, one of the few sensible commentators on unity is Conal McDevitt from the SDLP, who has posed the question as to what unity actually means in the current situation, he is wasted in the SDLP imo.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thebigfella on November 16, 2010, 02:24:53 PM
This thread is a classic, cant believe i stayed away from it thinking it would be full of the usual politic bollix!

Hardly, is it not just rehashing the same old bollix from this time every year? Just this year we have a few new wannabes that are trying out do each other with their Republican credentials  :P

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0)

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 02:39:39 PM
This thread is a classic, cant believe i stayed away from it thinking it would be full of the usual politic bollix!

Hardly, is it not just rehashing the same old bollix from this time every year? Just this year we have a few new wannabes that are trying out do each other with their Republican credentials  :P

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0)

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0)

another valuable contribution there bigfella  ::)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 16, 2010, 02:56:40 PM
You can't argue with democracy can you?

you would have thought that but you're giving it a quare go

But it's a corrupt regime. Surely a man like yourself can empathise with my difficulty with corrupt regimes  ;)

Between you and me I think it's not really a singing contest at all. It's primarily a vehicle for Simon Cowell to make loads of money off dumb teenagers/adults as he creates drama, controversy and razzamatazz as a smokescreen. I reckon all the judges and wagner are in on it. I know thats crazy mans thinking but there, I've said it.  :-[

Theres me babbling on...whats this thread about again?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thebigfella on November 16, 2010, 03:07:56 PM
This thread is a classic, cant believe i stayed away from it thinking it would be full of the usual politic bollix!

Hardly, is it not just rehashing the same old bollix from this time every year? Just this year we have a few new wannabes that are trying out do each other with their Republican credentials  :P

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0)

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0)

another valuable contribution there bigfella  ::)

As valuable as yours but then again I'm not deluding myself that I have anything new to bring to the table.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 16, 2010, 03:09:48 PM

Tell me this Maguire, do you honestly and genuinely believe that a United Ireland is high on the agenda of Ritchie or even the SDLP for that matter?

Do you honestly think, Bananaman, that 51% of people living in the 26 counties want a united ireland ?  Most of them couldn't care less. 
And who do you think would pay for it ? The European Central Bank ?

i think a better question seafoid would be do we want to join you's the mess you's are in. People ridicule the leaders in the north but it ain't any better in Mexico lad.

And yes I do believe it is well over 51%[/quote]

I demand some evidence to back this statement up.

If can't produce any you're a snob.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 16, 2010, 03:17:10 PM
Lynchbhoy,
You can delude yourself all you like over debateable topics like how many people in the ROI really want a UI, or whether the British Govt is going to go on supporting/subsidising NI's place in the Union etc.

Fwiw, I personally am very confident that when we both draw our last breath, there will only be one of us in shock that it won't be in a United Ireland.

But no matter. It is when you start making things up to support your case which are capable of being factually and indepentally rebutted, that you end up looking silly.

there is massive undertakings to attract dev and industry to th enorth.

huge tax breaks and incentives

I know of a number of companies in IT sector that have set up in the north or just set up offices and employees there as a branch of their HQ's - on the back of tax breaks and capital investment from British and Irish gov's !

it will take a while but if this continues, they will have a platform - akin to our own - with low corporation taxation bringing them in.
To get these (unspecified) incentives out of the way first, of course as the most economically deprived region of the UK, NI benefits from certain incentives. However, it is by no means the only such region to benefit, as eg Scotland, Wales and NE England could testify.

And even where these do exist, as often as not they are "outbid" by equivalent incentives which the ROI is able to offer as a whole, since they (ROI) are not inhibited by EU prohibition on State Aid to regions within a particular country (i.e. NI within UK).

Moreover, what few local NI incentives that exist are likely to be swept away by the "Bonfire of the Quangos" which the Coalition Govt has pormised everyone.

And moving on to the "huge tax breaks" from which NI supposedly benefits, what exactly are these?

Our tax rates are essentially the same as the rest of the UK, with the most important in terms of investment and jobs etc being Corporation Tax.

And Corporation Tax in NI (UK) is currently 28% - http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/corp.htm . Whereas CT in ROI is currently 12.5% - as you well know.

Of course, I say "currently", since two things are capable of changing this. First, when (not "if") the EU/IMF bail-out of the ROI takes place, it seems very likely that one of the prices which will have to be paid is a raising of the ROI's CT rate to one nearer that of the rest of the EU.

Whereas by contrast, there is a lobby to presuade HMG that NI should be permitted to benefit from a lowering of the CT rate locally, in order to help it recover economically. Of course, this would need to come within the EU State Aid rules I mentioned above, but it is thought likely that this could be done via a corresponding decrease in the general NI subvention from Whitehall.

And as this authoritative study argues, this could bring immense competitive benefits to NI, if implemented:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmselect/cmniaf/writev/corptax/we05.htm

As the north has no history of decent ICT employment - the companies dont have any proper medium to advertise for jobs, and potential candidates dont seem to know where to look.
jobs websites apparantly get hits in in the dozens and the belfast telegraph (the traditional advertisment vehicle for job in the north) got three responses to a multi jobs advert in the past 6 months (IT related roles).

That just shows that the north doesnt have the candidates- as there are jobs up there but they cant get the people !!

I think you devalue the employment pool available to investors in NI.
For example, the NI boss of Citigroup specifically mentioned this as the No.1 attraction of NI in an interview last year:
http://www.wheretowork.com/news/news.asp?articleid=956

And since then, Citi have announced plans to expand significantly:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11692964
Of course, the above move was helped by a "sweetener" from Invest NI, but £8m is peanuts really, the kind of figure which was regularly trumped by the ROI's equivalent (when the ROI had the money, that is).

Naturally, there will always be a danger that we suffer a skill shortage in certain specialise dareas, but as experience has shown, if we can get Poles and portugese to come to NI to work in chicken processing plants, it shouldn't be too difficult to attract their more skilled counterparts.

If nothing else, we are bound to be able to attract our share of economic migrants from South of the border. After all, it would fit in nicely with buying up your bankrupt companies:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8517566.stm

Of course, I am not saying everything is rosy for NI on the economic front, far from it. Indeed, I am sure there is a lot more pain to come before things get better. However, the exact same applies to ROI (and then some).

In any case, I genuinely believe that our prospects as an integral part of a much larger and intinsically stronger economy than that of the ROI, will protect us much better than our counterparts in the ROI will face when the EU/IMF Auditors come calling.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 03:24:41 PM

Tell me this Maguire, do you honestly and genuinely believe that a United Ireland is high on the agenda of Ritchie or even the SDLP for that matter?

Do you honestly think, Bananaman, that 51% of people living in the 26 counties want a united ireland ?  Most of them couldn't care less. 
And who do you think would pay for it ? The European Central Bank ?

i think a better question seafoid would be do we want to join you's the mess you's are in. People ridicule the leaders in the north but it ain't any better in Mexico lad.

And yes I do believe it is well over 51%

I demand some evidence to back this statement up.

If can't produce any you're a snob.
[/quote]

Ya see there's your problem right there Gallsman, I would say you near creamed yourself thinking you had me. Firstly I never called you a snob, secondly I said I believe it to be over 51%, I didn't say it was over 51%. It is my perception and continues to be therefore i don't need evidence.

If i said it was over 51% i would have to back up the claim, I see you weren't in Trinity the day they taught how to differentiate, perhaps that's how you swapped universities, you dandered into the wrong building one day as you couldn't tell the difference??
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ludermor on November 16, 2010, 03:25:15 PM
This thread is a classic, cant believe i stayed away from it thinking it would be full of the usual politic bollix!

Hardly, is it not just rehashing the same old bollix from this time every year? Just this year we have a few new wannabes that are trying out do each other with their Republican credentials  :P

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0)

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0)
Ah i think there are some good nuggets on this thread!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 03:27:26 PM

Well the proof of recent change is on the side of the eventual re-unification. There is only one way this is going and what we will differ on is when this will happen. I expect it sooner rather than later. Apart from that it will eventually happen, both of us can only speculate and the only other definite is that the economic climate will have to be ‘right’.

You being based in england or wherever – not on Ireland – obv just don’t know.
I know a few companies that have gained tax breaks by putting in offices/development centres in the north of Ireland - initially Irish based companies –the IDA down here are working in conjunction with the ni board – invest ni or whatever appropriate board it is – I forget which.

I meant to point out citi as an example. They are one such company.
How it is doing it I am not quite sure - as to whatever the agreement is in conjunction with the IDA, but citi and a few more that I wont divulge have gone through this route and its financially attractive as otherwise - as I have been told- they wouldnt be going near the north of Ireland - not because they dont like it , its just because they would never have thought of going there !


The fact remains, I know of a few of these companies through IT and HR contacts who are finding it more or less impossible to get staff in the north of Ireland.
First hand info. you can write more lengthy responses – but like your last one, it doesn’t actually contain any real argument.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 03:28:07 PM
You can't argue with democracy can you?

you would have thought that but you're giving it a quare go

But it's a corrupt regime. Surely a man like yourself can empathise with my difficulty with corrupt regimes  ;)

Between you and me I think it's not really a singing contest at all. It's primarily a vehicle for Simon Cowell to make loads of money off dumb teenagers/adults as he creates drama, controversy and razzamatazz as a smokescreen. I reckon all the judges and wagner are in on it. I know thats crazy mans thinking but there, I've said it.  :-[

Theres me babbling on...whats this thread about again?

x factor isn't a regime lad, no one is forced to pick up the phone and vote and no one is forced to sit and watch it (if you don't include the wives up and down the country)

so, no. sorry I can't relate to your claim
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 03:31:52 PM
This thread is a classic, cant believe i stayed away from it thinking it would be full of the usual politic bollix!

Hardly, is it not just rehashing the same old bollix from this time every year? Just this year we have a few new wannabes that are trying out do each other with their Republican credentials  :P

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0)

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0)

another valuable contribution there bigfella  ::)

As valuable as yours but then again I'm not deluding myself that I have anything new to bring to the table.

that's a positive development, at least you know you are talking shite
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 16, 2010, 03:44:44 PM
x factor isn't a regime lad, no one is forced to pick up the phone and vote and no one is forced to sit and watch it (if you don't include the wives up and down the country)

so, no. sorry I can't relate to your claim

There was me thinking that the media can actually manipulate the dumb masses to think what they want them to think and do what they want them to do? How stupid of me

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 16, 2010, 03:48:05 PM

Tell me this Maguire, do you honestly and genuinely believe that a United Ireland is high on the agenda of Ritchie or even the SDLP for that matter?

Do you honestly think, Bananaman, that 51% of people living in the 26 counties want a united ireland ?  Most of them couldn't care less. 
And who do you think would pay for it ? The European Central Bank ?

i think a better question seafoid would be do we want to join you's the mess you's are in. People ridicule the leaders in the north but it ain't any better in Mexico lad.

And yes I do believe it is well over 51%

I demand some evidence to back this statement up.

If can't produce any you're a snob.

Ya see there's your problem right there Gallsman, I would say you near creamed yourself thinking you had me. Firstly I never called you a snob, secondly I said I believe it to be over 51%, I didn't say it was over 51%. It is my perception and continues to be therefore i don't need evidence.

If i said it was over 51% i would have to back up the claim, I see you weren't in Trinity the day they taught how to differentiate, perhaps that's how you swapped universities, you dandered into the wrong building one day as you couldn't tell the difference??
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Which is exactly what I stated a week ago you complete imbecile - that it was my belief based on my own personal insights. What insight do you f**king have to the minds of people south of the border? I don't need to "have you" when you so happily fall on your own sword. You and your best mate Nally have been exposed as narrow minded fools, incapable of even considering the viewpoint of anyone other than yourselves.

Actually no, the reason I moved universities is because I wanted to advance myself and decided to do a masters. But I suppose that makes me a snob.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 03:48:59 PM
x factor isn't a regime lad, no one is forced to pick up the phone and vote and no one is forced to sit and watch it (if you don't include the wives up and down the country)

so, no. sorry I can't relate to your claim

There was me thinking that the media can actually manipulate the dumb masses to think what they want them to think and do what they want them to do? How stupid of me

can they make them lift a phone and dial a number? can they force people to sit and watch certain tv programmes?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 16, 2010, 03:54:30 PM
If by them you mean the dumb masses, the answer is they are free to do what the media encourages them to do. So in short yes
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 03:59:13 PM
If by them you mean the dumb masses, the answer is they are free to do what the media encourages them to do. So in short yes

you used the term dumb masses so i'm not sure who you are referring to, I am referring to X Factor viewers and if you mean X factor viewers I would love to see how the media physically makes someone vote or lift a phone
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 04:01:48 PM

Tell me this Maguire, do you honestly and genuinely believe that a United Ireland is high on the agenda of Ritchie or even the SDLP for that matter?

Do you honestly think, Bananaman, that 51% of people living in the 26 counties want a united ireland ?  Most of them couldn't care less. 
And who do you think would pay for it ? The European Central Bank ?

i think a better question seafoid would be do we want to join you's the mess you's are in. People ridicule the leaders in the north but it ain't any better in Mexico lad.

And yes I do believe it is well over 51%

I demand some evidence to back this statement up.

If can't produce any you're a snob.

Ya see there's your problem right there Gallsman, I would say you near creamed yourself thinking you had me. Firstly I never called you a snob, secondly I said I believe it to be over 51%, I didn't say it was over 51%. It is my perception and continues to be therefore i don't need evidence.

If i said it was over 51% i would have to back up the claim, I see you weren't in Trinity the day they taught how to differentiate, perhaps that's how you swapped universities, you dandered into the wrong building one day as you couldn't tell the difference??

Which is exactly what I stated a week ago you complete imbecile - that it was my belief based on my own personal insights. What insight do you f**king have to the minds of people south of the border? I don't need to "have you" when you so happily fall on your own sword. You and your best mate Nally have been exposed as narrow minded fools, incapable of even considering the viewpoint of anyone other than yourselves.

Actually no, the reason I moved universities is because I wanted to advance myself and decided to do a masters. But I suppose that makes me a snob.
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 :D lad the hateness is seeping out of you, you need to stop the fascination with me and Nally. It's seriously not healthy.
btw imbecile is a real word i would associate with someone from trinity, typical arrogant p***k

As for the eidence and snob remarks I am awaiting on you to show where it was me who labelled them at you...
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thebigfella on November 16, 2010, 04:14:14 PM
This thread is a classic, cant believe i stayed away from it thinking it would be full of the usual politic bollix!

Hardly, is it not just rehashing the same old bollix from this time every year? Just this year we have a few new wannabes that are trying out do each other with their Republican credentials  :P

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0)

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0)

another valuable contribution there bigfella  ::)

As valuable as yours but then again I'm not deluding myself that I have anything new to bring to the table.

that's a positive development, at least you know you are talking shite

Talking shite by openly admitting I have nothing new to contribute to the topic and pointing out that this has been discussed in depth in 2 other threads  ::) ::)

Keyboard Republicans, gotta love em :D  What day do you sign on or you too proud to take money from the Brits while you trying to unite Ireland on the GAABoard?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 16, 2010, 04:19:56 PM
"Hateness" What the hell does "hateness" mean? Perhaps you meant hatred. The reason I actually have a vocabularly is clearly a result of the fact I went to Trinity.

You've just confirmed the appropriate nature of the word "imbecile" when used to describe you. Obviously I'm only entitled to do so. Becuase I went to Trinity.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 04:25:39 PM
"Hateness" What the hell does "hateness" mean? Perhaps you meant hatred. The reason I actually have a vocabularly is clearly a result of the fact I went to Trinity.

You've just confirmed the appropriate nature of the word "imbecile" when used to describe you. Obviously I'm only entitled to do so. Becuase I went to Trinity.

a vocabulary where you can't spell because, you're going well  ;)

anyway i'm still waiting...
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 04:28:22 PM
This thread is a classic, cant believe i stayed away from it thinking it would be full of the usual politic bollix!

Hardly, is it not just rehashing the same old bollix from this time every year? Just this year we have a few new wannabes that are trying out do each other with their Republican credentials  :P

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0)

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0)

another valuable contribution there bigfella  ::)

As valuable as yours but then again I'm not deluding myself that I have anything new to bring to the table.

that's a positive development, at least you know you are talking shite

Talking shite by openly admitting I have nothing new to contribute to the topic and pointing out that this has been discussed in depth in 2 other threads  ::) ::)

Keyboard Republicans, gotta love em :D  What day do you sign on or you too proud to take money from the Brits while you trying to unite Ireland on the GAABoard?

no bigfella i'm to busy paying tax to the Brits to fund the dolites that you seem to know a bit about
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 16, 2010, 04:33:44 PM
"Hateness" What the hell does "hateness" mean? Perhaps you meant hatred. The reason I actually have a vocabularly is clearly a result of the fact I went to Trinity.

You've just confirmed the appropriate nature of the word "imbecile" when used to describe you. Obviously I'm only entitled to do so. Becuase I went to Trinity.

a vocabulary where you can't spell because, you're going well  ;)

anyway i'm still waiting...

No vocab and unable to distinguish (or differentiate if you prefer it like that) between a typo and inability to spell. How tragic. Dreadful indictment of the education system in the north. Seeing as you're obviously about 15 the blame should be laid squarely at the feet of Catriona Ruane.

You're waiting for what? The "snob" remarks? That would be your continued need to reference the fact I went to Trinity - which arose directly from the "snob" comments. Satisfied?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 04:50:25 PM
"Hateness" What the hell does "hateness" mean? Perhaps you meant hatred. The reason I actually have a vocabularly is clearly a result of the fact I went to Trinity.

You've just confirmed the appropriate nature of the word "imbecile" when used to describe you. Obviously I'm only entitled to do so. Becuase I went to Trinity.

a vocabulary where you can't spell because, you're going well  ;)

anyway i'm still waiting...

No vocab and unable to distinguish (or differentiate if you prefer it like that) between a typo and inability to spell. How tragic. Dreadful indictment of the education system in the north. Seeing as you're obviously about 15 the blame should be laid squarely at the feet of Catriona Ruane.

You're waiting for what? The "snob" remarks? That would be your continued need to reference the fact I went to Trinity - which arose directly from the "snob" comments. Satisfied?

no I'm not satisfied, not that that ever stopped you before, as i previously said we debate then you decide you were right.

So it's a typo is it? when does it become a spelling mistake? I was always taught that a word which includes letters it shouldn't or letters in the wrong order was a mispelt word. Hence the word mispelt. If I'm going to fast feel free to stop me at any time and I can give a quick recap for you

btw you mispelt/typo the word vocabulary above as well

snob and evidence remarks
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hardy on November 16, 2010, 04:54:09 PM
I was always taught that a word which includes letters it shouldn't or letters in the wrong order was a mispelt word. Hence the word mispelt.

No. That would be a misspelt word.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 16, 2010, 04:55:09 PM
"Hateness" What the hell does "hateness" mean? Perhaps you meant hatred. The reason I actually have a vocabularly is clearly a result of the fact I went to Trinity.

You've just confirmed the appropriate nature of the word "imbecile" when used to describe you. Obviously I'm only entitled to do so. Becuase I went to Trinity.

a vocabulary where you can't spell because, you're going well  ;)

anyway i'm still waiting...

No vocab and unable to distinguish (or differentiate if you prefer it like that) between a typo and inability to spell. How tragic. Dreadful indictment of the education system in the north. Seeing as you're obviously about 15 the blame should be laid squarely at the feet of Catriona Ruane.

You're waiting for what? The "snob" remarks? That would be your continued need to reference the fact I went to Trinity - which arose directly from the "snob" comments. Satisfied?

no I'm not satisfied, not that that ever stopped you before, as i previously said we debate then you decide you were right.

So it's a typo is it? when does it become a spelling mistake? I was always taught that a word which includes letters it shouldn't or letters in the wrong order was a mispelt word. Hence the word mispelt. If I'm going to fast feel free to stop me at any time and I can give a quick recap for you

btw you mispelt (typo) the word vocabulary above as well

snob and evidence remarks

Snob and evidence remarks? I've clearly just outlined them above.

The fact they don't satisfy you is none of my concern.

As thebigfella said earlier, the likes of you and Nally are nothing but keyboard republicans - an embarrassment to anybody who gives a shit about this island.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 16, 2010, 04:55:49 PM
If by them you mean the dumb masses, the answer is they are free to do what the media encourages them to do. So in short yes

you used the term dumb masses so i'm not sure who you are referring to, I am referring to X Factor viewers and if you mean X factor viewers I would love to see how the media physically makes someone vote or lift a phone

Who said anything about "physically make". I think you need to open those eyes BM because you display gross naivety not to think that it is possible to "regiment the public mind every bit as much as an army regiments their bodies."

Has your political musings not considered that reality yet? Shocking!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 05:06:18 PM
I was always taught that a word which includes letters it shouldn't or letters in the wrong order was a mispelt word. Hence the word mispelt.

No. That would be a misspelt word.

No hardy that was a typo  ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 05:08:15 PM
If by them you mean the dumb masses, the answer is they are free to do what the media encourages them to do. So in short yes

you used the term dumb masses so i'm not sure who you are referring to, I am referring to X Factor viewers and if you mean X factor viewers I would love to see how the media physically makes someone vote or lift a phone

Who said anything about "physically make". I think you need to open those eyes BM because you display gross naivety not to think that it is possible to "regiment the public mind every bit as much as an army regiments their bodies."

Has your political musings not considered that reality yet? Shocking!

I said physically because i would like to know how you dial a phone without physically doing it...
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 05:17:01 PM
"Hateness" What the hell does "hateness" mean? Perhaps you meant hatred. The reason I actually have a vocabularly is clearly a result of the fact I went to Trinity.

You've just confirmed the appropriate nature of the word "imbecile" when used to describe you. Obviously I'm only entitled to do so. Becuase I went to Trinity.

a vocabulary where you can't spell because, you're going well  ;)

anyway i'm still waiting...

No vocab and unable to distinguish (or differentiate if you prefer it like that) between a typo and inability to spell. How tragic. Dreadful indictment of the education system in the north. Seeing as you're obviously about 15 the blame should be laid squarely at the feet of Catriona Ruane.

You're waiting for what? The "snob" remarks? That would be your continued need to reference the fact I went to Trinity - which arose directly from the "snob" comments. Satisfied?

no I'm not satisfied, not that that ever stopped you before, as i previously said we debate then you decide you were right.

So it's a typo is it? when does it become a spelling mistake? I was always taught that a word which includes letters it shouldn't or letters in the wrong order was a mispelt word. Hence the word mispelt. If I'm going to fast feel free to stop me at any time and I can give a quick recap for you

btw you mispelt (typo) the word vocabulary above as well

snob and evidence remarks

Snob and evidence remarks? I've clearly just outlined them above.

The fact they don't satisfy you is none of my concern.

As thebigfella said earlier, the likes of you and Nally are nothing but keyboard republicans - an embarrassment to anybody who gives a shit about this island.

you identified the words snob and evidence yes but you still haven't shown the connection to me.

keyboard republicans eh, I am assuming you label every republican as a physical force one, in fact I'm certain of it as you can't differentiate between terms as stated earlier. This island as you put it has moved on, we follow a democratic path and I exercise my right to vote which is true to my beliefs so in that sense i am very active.

It's quite amusing also how you latch onto anyone else who posts something in mine or Nally's direction, hoping to try and drive the boot in as you aren't capable for a toe to toe debate on your own. To use one of your phrases - pathetic.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thebigfella on November 16, 2010, 05:20:25 PM
This thread is a classic, cant believe i stayed away from it thinking it would be full of the usual politic bollix!

Hardly, is it not just rehashing the same old bollix from this time every year? Just this year we have a few new wannabes that are trying out do each other with their Republican credentials  :P

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0)

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0)

another valuable contribution there bigfella  ::)

As valuable as yours but then again I'm not deluding myself that I have anything new to bring to the table.

that's a positive development, at least you know you are talking shite

Talking shite by openly admitting I have nothing new to contribute to the topic and pointing out that this has been discussed in depth in 2 other threads  ::) ::)

Keyboard Republicans, gotta love em :D  What day do you sign on or you too proud to take money from the Brits while you trying to unite Ireland on the GAABoard?

no bigfella i'm to busy paying tax to the Brits to fund the dolites that you seem to know a bit about

Obviously not too busy based on the amount of shite you posted debating by yourself on here today. Civil service I assume?

Anyway how you gonna free Ireland by paying tax which goes to the funding of the British war machine? At least if your on the dole you would be diverting resources away from them  ;)

By the way it's "too busy" and not "to busy". Typo?  :P
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 16, 2010, 05:21:34 PM
Who said anything about "physically make". I think you need to open those eyes BM because you display gross naivety not to think that it is possible to "regiment the public mind every bit as much as an army regiments their bodies."

Has your political musings not considered that reality yet? Shocking!

I said physically because i would like to know how you dial a phone without physically doing it...

So we agree that I never mentioned anything about physically making anybody do anything yet you're asking me to explain what you've said in relation to physically making someone do something. I don't know what to say to that.  ???
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 16, 2010, 05:25:51 PM
you identified the words snob and evidence yes but you still haven't shown the connection to me.

keyboard republicans eh, I am assuming you label every republican as a physical force one, in fact I'm certain of it as you can't differentiate between terms as stated earlier. This island as you put it has moved on, we follow a democratic path and I exercise my right to vote which is true to my beliefs so in that sense i am very active.

It's quite amusing also how you latch onto anyone else who posts something in mine or Nally's direction, hoping to try and drive the boot in as you aren't capable for a toe to toe debate on your own. To use one of your phrases - pathetic.

You assume wrong.

I do what exactly? Another poster used a phrase that I felt summed up my opinion of you and your colleague.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 16, 2010, 05:29:28 PM
Who said anything about "physically make". I think you need to open those eyes BM because you display gross naivety not to think that it is possible to "regiment the public mind every bit as much as an army regiments their bodies."

Has your political musings not considered that reality yet? Shocking!

I said physically because i would like to know how you dial a phone without physically doing it...

So we agree that I never mentioned anything about physically making anybody do anything yet you're asking me to explain what you've said in relation to physically making someone do something. I don't know what to say to that.  ???

Skull, you obviously didn't go to Trinity if you don't know what to say to that.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 16, 2010, 05:40:11 PM
Well lets just say whilst thinking of how to respond to it in as constructive a way as I could, a sense of futility washed over me
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 16, 2010, 05:47:57 PM
Constructive? On this thread? On the board? Don't be silly!  :)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 16, 2010, 05:51:03 PM

Well the proof of recent change is on the side of the eventual re-unification. There is only one way this is going and what we will differ on is when this will happen. I expect it sooner rather than later. Apart from that it will eventually happen, both of us can only speculate
Where is your "proof"?

The last three elections clearly showed that support for Republican/Nationalist parties in NI has plateaued.

Moreover, SF's favourite psephologist, Prof. Brendan O'Leary, let the cat out of the bag when he disclosed that he didn't see that changing "in the foreseeable future" (though SF moved very fast to bury that observation, despite its being made ito an invited audience at one of their roadshows in the USA!).

... and the only other definite is that the economic climate will have to be ‘right’.
Hmmm.

Rather reminds me of Tony Blair/New Labour's promise that the UK would enter the Eurozone just as soon as it met Gordon Brown/The Treasury's 5 key economic tests:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/five-tests-remain-key-to-euro-entry-says-brown-674922.html
I wonder whatever happened there, then.  ;)

You being based in england or wherever – not on Ireland – obv just don’t know.
So you feel restrained from commenting on anything outside of Ireland then?  ::)

Anyhow, NI, England, GB etc - it's all the same United Kingdom to me.

Still.  ;)

I know a few companies that have gained tax breaks by putting in offices/development centres in the north of Ireland - initially Irish based companies –the IDA down here are working in conjunction with the ni board – invest ni or whatever appropriate board it is – I forget which.

I meant to point out citi as an example. They are one such company.
How it is doing it I am not quite sure - as to whatever the agreement is in conjunction with the IDA, but citi and a few more that I wont divulge have gone through this route and its financially attractive as otherwise - as I have been told- they wouldnt be going near the north of Ireland - not because they dont like it , its just because they would never have thought of going there !


The fact remains, I know of a few of these companies through IT and HR contacts who are finding it more or less impossible to get staff in the north of Ireland.
First hand info. you can write more lengthy responses – but like your last one, it doesn’t actually contain any real argument.
Let's see if I've got this one straight, then.

You construct an argument on the basis of what (you assert to be) your "first hand experience" (above) - no facts, no sources, no proof etc.

Whilst I cite four specific, independent, authoritative links (post #299) to support my thesis.

Yet you claim that I am the one "without any real argument".  :o

You know, with the price of metals these days, you could melt down that brass neck of yours and pay off a sizeable chunk of the Potato Republic's Celtic Tiger's debt... :D

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 16, 2010, 07:05:19 PM
I see Trinity boy is doing working hard on showing he's not an oul know it all  :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 16, 2010, 08:11:48 PM
Mary Byrne & the young lad from west meath were wearing them on the xfactor. Shame on them

Mary Byrne has NEVER worn a poppy on the X Factor, check back her You Tube videos, she's never, ever worn one.  I've noticed that every week.  Louis Walsh certainly does, I don't know about the lad from West Meath. 

But Mary has definitely not worn one.
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Razor sharp.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 08:13:57 PM
Whilst I cite four specific, independent, authoritative links (post #299) to support my thesis.


You know, with the price of metals these days, you could melt down that brass neck of yours and pay off a sizeable chunk of the Potato Republic's Celtic Tiger's debt... :D

four quotes - the taxation one irrelevent as it doesnt cover the joint IDA ni group initiative, the one about having a large workforce to tap into is laughable- esp in the face of dismal responses to advertised top notch ICT jobs

as ever your replies  are long but have no reality or fact in them !

I am laughing at your obv hatred of the 'Celtic tiger' and them horrible southerners having good jobs and money etc !! :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 08:28:19 PM
This thread is a classic, cant believe i stayed away from it thinking it would be full of the usual politic bollix!

Hardly, is it not just rehashing the same old bollix from this time every year? Just this year we have a few new wannabes that are trying out do each other with their Republican credentials  :P

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0)

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0)

another valuable contribution there bigfella  ::)

As valuable as yours but then again I'm not deluding myself that I have anything new to bring to the table.

that's a positive development, at least you know you are talking shite

Talking shite by openly admitting I have nothing new to contribute to the topic and pointing out that this has been discussed in depth in 2 other threads  ::) ::)

Keyboard Republicans, gotta love em :D  What day do you sign on or you too proud to take money from the Brits while you trying to unite Ireland on the GAABoard?

no bigfella i'm to busy paying tax to the Brits to fund the dolites that you seem to know a bit about

Obviously not too busy based on the amount of shite you posted debating by yourself on here today. Civil service I assume?

Anyway how you gonna free Ireland by paying tax which goes to the funding of the British war machine? At least if your on the dole you would be diverting resources away from them  ;)

By the way it's "too busy" and not "to busy". Typo?  :P

No Skull not a typo, I out the wrong 'to' in, unlike you i admit when i get something wrong.

I repeat, i mentioned physically as you have to physically watch TV or phone in a vote, you said the media made them do it. So i would like you to explain how it is possible to vote or watch the programme without physically doing it. I wait with anticipation how much shite you write to get out of this
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 16, 2010, 08:31:19 PM
This thread is a classic, cant believe i stayed away from it thinking it would be full of the usual politic bollix!

Hardly, is it not just rehashing the same old bollix from this time every year? Just this year we have a few new wannabes that are trying out do each other with their Republican credentials  :P

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0)

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0)

another valuable contribution there bigfella  ::)

As valuable as yours but then again I'm not deluding myself that I have anything new to bring to the table.

that's a positive development, at least you know you are talking shite

Talking shite by openly admitting I have nothing new to contribute to the topic and pointing out that this has been discussed in depth in 2 other threads  ::) ::)

Keyboard Republicans, gotta love em :D  What day do you sign on or you too proud to take money from the Brits while you trying to unite Ireland on the GAABoard?

no bigfella i'm to busy paying tax to the Brits to fund the dolites that you seem to know a bit about

Obviously not too busy based on the amount of shite you posted debating by yourself on here today. Civil service I assume?

Anyway how you gonna free Ireland by paying tax which goes to the funding of the British war machine? At least if your on the dole you would be diverting resources away from them  ;)

By the way it's "too busy" and not "to busy". Typo?  :P

No Skull not a typo, I out the wrong 'to' in, unlike you i admit when i get something wrong.

I repeat, i mentioned physically as you have to physically watch TV or phone in a vote, you said the media made them do it. So i would like you to explain how it is possible to vote or watch the programme without physically doing it. I wait with anticipation how much shite you write to get out of this
Was that a typo?
 :P
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 08:31:46 PM
you identified the words snob and evidence yes but you still haven't shown the connection to me.

keyboard republicans eh, I am assuming you label every republican as a physical force one, in fact I'm certain of it as you can't differentiate between terms as stated earlier. This island as you put it has moved on, we follow a democratic path and I exercise my right to vote which is true to my beliefs so in that sense i am very active.

It's quite amusing also how you latch onto anyone else who posts something in mine or Nally's direction, hoping to try and drive the boot in as you aren't capable for a toe to toe debate on your own. To use one of your phrases - pathetic.

You assume wrong.

I do what exactly? Another poster used a phrase that I felt summed up my opinion of you and your colleague.

in other words you don't possess the necessary skills to fully articulate your point using your own limited vocabulary. Cute.

As for the colleague point i don't know nally or work with him so i would like you to explain that point (if you understand what i am asking)

your right though i shouldn't have assumed that, you couldn't tell the difference between physical force and constitutional
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 08:33:34 PM
This thread is a classic, cant believe i stayed away from it thinking it would be full of the usual politic bollix!

Hardly, is it not just rehashing the same old bollix from this time every year? Just this year we have a few new wannabes that are trying out do each other with their Republican credentials  :P

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14261.0)

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=9970.0)

another valuable contribution there bigfella  ::)

As valuable as yours but then again I'm not deluding myself that I have anything new to bring to the table.

that's a positive development, at least you know you are talking shite

Talking shite by openly admitting I have nothing new to contribute to the topic and pointing out that this has been discussed in depth in 2 other threads  ::) ::)

Keyboard Republicans, gotta love em :D  What day do you sign on or you too proud to take money from the Brits while you trying to unite Ireland on the GAABoard?

no bigfella i'm to busy paying tax to the Brits to fund the dolites that you seem to know a bit about

Obviously not too busy based on the amount of shite you posted debating by yourself on here today. Civil service I assume?

Anyway how you gonna free Ireland by paying tax which goes to the funding of the British war machine? At least if your on the dole you would be diverting resources away from them  ;)

By the way it's "too busy" and not "to busy". Typo?  :P

No Skull not a typo, I out the wrong 'to' in, unlike you i admit when i get something wrong.

I repeat, i mentioned physically as you have to physically watch TV or phone in a vote, you said the media made them do it. So i would like you to explain how it is possible to vote or watch the programme without physically doing it. I wait with anticipation how much shite you write to get out of this
Was that a typo?
 :P

good catch maguire  :)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 16, 2010, 08:38:55 PM
you identified the words snob and evidence yes but you still haven't shown the connection to me.

keyboard republicans eh, I am assuming you label every republican as a physical force one, in fact I'm certain of it as you can't differentiate between terms as stated earlier. This island as you put it has moved on, we follow a democratic path and I exercise my right to vote which is true to my beliefs so in that sense i am very active.

It's quite amusing also how you latch onto anyone else who posts something in mine or Nally's direction, hoping to try and drive the boot in as you aren't capable for a toe to toe debate on your own. To use one of your phrases - pathetic.

You assume wrong.

I do what exactly? Another poster used a phrase that I felt summed up my opinion of you and your colleague.

in other words you don't possess the necessary skills to fully articulate your point using your own limited vocabulary. Cute.

As for the colleague point i don't know nally or work with him so i would like you to explain that point (if you understand what i am asking)

your right though i shouldn't have assumed that, you couldn't tell the difference between physical force and constitutional
And that one?
 :P
I'll stop now!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 16, 2010, 08:48:32 PM
you identified the words snob and evidence yes but you still haven't shown the connection to me.

keyboard republicans eh, I am assuming you label every republican as a physical force one, in fact I'm certain of it as you can't differentiate between terms as stated earlier. This island as you put it has moved on, we follow a democratic path and I exercise my right to vote which is true to my beliefs so in that sense i am very active.

It's quite amusing also how you latch onto anyone else who posts something in mine or Nally's direction, hoping to try and drive the boot in as you aren't capable for a toe to toe debate on your own. To use one of your phrases - pathetic.

You assume wrong.

I do what exactly? Another poster used a phrase that I felt summed up my opinion of you and your colleague.

in other words you don't possess the necessary skills to fully articulate your point using your own limited vocabulary. Cute.

As for the colleague point i don't know nally or work with him so i would like you to explain that point (if you understand what i am asking)

your right though i shouldn't have assumed that, you couldn't tell the difference between physical force and constitutional
And that one?
 :P
I'll stop now!

now you are being pedantic  :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2010, 09:01:00 PM
Great topic for debate Orior :-)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Orior on November 16, 2010, 09:03:18 PM
Great topic for debate Orior :-)

Will someone please think of the children.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2010, 09:08:52 PM
yes, Santa will
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 16, 2010, 09:10:47 PM
Great topic for debate Orior :-)
Ha ha was thinking that myself! It could go on until next November.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 16, 2010, 09:35:59 PM
Gallsman, i see you are now into ridiculing those who dare to have a republican outlook on a message board. Is that the new level to stoop to? Well going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, what does that make you, if I'm a "keyboard republican"?

A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours? Bit snobby that.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 16, 2010, 10:44:32 PM
No Skull not a typo, I out the wrong 'to' in, unlike you i admit when i get something wrong.

I repeat, i mentioned physically as you have to physically watch TV or phone in a vote, you said the media made them do it. So i would like you to explain how it is possible to vote or watch the programme without physically doing it. I wait with anticipation how much shite you write to get out of this
Talking to the wrong person about typos btw

Do a wee google search on "manufactured consent" and see just how much shite has been written about it. I hope the wait was worth it and look forward to any conclusions you draw. Seriously exposing your naivety here BM.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 17, 2010, 09:10:18 AM
No Skull not a typo, I out the wrong 'to' in, unlike you i admit when i get something wrong.

I repeat, i mentioned physically as you have to physically watch TV or phone in a vote, you said the media made them do it. So i would like you to explain how it is possible to vote or watch the programme without physically doing it. I wait with anticipation how much shite you write to get out of this
Talking to the wrong person about typos btw

Do a wee google search on "manufactured consent" and see just how much shite has been written about it. I hope the wait was worth it and look forward to any conclusions you draw. Seriously exposing your naivety here BM.

right so you are choosing to ignore my point and want me to go and research your argument, your good craic  ::)

btw i was just thinking, how would you even know i posted on the x factor thread when it such a shite and manufactured project, surely you couldn't bring yourself to even look at the thread. A better question is why where you monitoring what other people were writing about. Talk about double standards.

hows that singing coming along anyway? you going to go for it again next year? Or is it still to raw, I would vote for you but I would have to physically lift my arm to do that an I don't think the media has a big enough control over me yet  :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 17, 2010, 09:48:23 AM
 :-\
Read this slowly BM. It might help

You said "you have to physically watch TV or phone in a vote", and I said (using your words) "the media made them do i"t. In reply I asked you to do some reading up on "manufacturing consent" to understand what I mean't by my comments from the outset (before you mis-interpreted what I said). No ignoring of points. Now come back to me when you've done some research on the topic and tell me then that I'm talking out of my hole and hopefully you could also elaborate on why me being aware/interested in the enslaving of large swathes of populations to think a certain way somehow displays double standards.

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 17, 2010, 09:54:19 AM
:-\
Read this slowly BM. It might help

You said "you have to physically watch TV or phone in a vote", and I said (using your words) "the media made them do i"t. In reply I asked you to do some reading up on "manufacturing consent" to understand what I mean't by my comments from the outset (before you mis-interpreted what I said). No ignoring of points. Now come back to me when you've done some research on the topic and tell me then that I'm talking out of my hole and hopefully you could also elaborate on why me being aware/interested in the enslaving of large swathes of populations to think a certain way somehow displays double standards.

you said the media made them do it. We're agreed on that, in order to do it you have to physically do it, i fail to understand how you can't grasp this concept. I won't be researching your argument, then I would be debating with myself (although given your lack of understanding it's becoming increasingly apparent that is exactly what is happening).

Double standards is how you hate the show, you hate the people who watch it, you think they should not have a vote ffs and yet you are the first boy on the x factor thread reading what 'these mindless masses' are saying. Are you for real  :D

you're boring me now  :-*
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 17, 2010, 10:48:22 AM
Boredom has set in on both sides. If you can't or don't want to understand how structured media messages can incentivise large groups of the population to physically "do stuff" like pick up a phone to support a celeb, vote for certain parties in elections, join the army, buy an iphone etc etc etc , then I really am wasting my time. This has become remedial. Good luck
 
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 17, 2010, 11:03:21 AM
Boredom has set in on both sides. If you can't or don't want to understand how structured media messages can incentivise large groups of the population to physically "do stuff" like pick up a phone to support a celeb, vote for certain parties in elections, join the army, buy an iphone etc etc etc , then I really am wasting my time. This has become remedial. Good luck

right something has finally got through to you then  ;D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 17, 2010, 11:36:39 AM
Gallsman, i see you are now into ridiculing those who dare to have a republican outlook on a message board. Is that the new level to stoop to? Well going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, what does that make you, if I'm a "keyboard republican"?

A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours? Bit snobby that.

No, I'm specifically ridiculing you and Banana Man. Not that hard to figure out really.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 17, 2010, 11:37:01 AM
I see Trinity boy is doing working hard on showing he's not an oul know it all  :D

Hilarious I'm sure.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 17, 2010, 12:21:44 PM
Gallsman, i see you are now into ridiculing those who dare to have a republican outlook on a message board. Is that the new level to stoop to? Well going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, what does that make you, if I'm a "keyboard republican"?

A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours? Bit snobby that.

No, I'm specifically ridiculing you and Banana Man. Not that hard to figure out really.

you are ridiculing us because you perceive us to have republican outlooks. Are you saying you aren't nationalist/post nationalist then gallsman?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 17, 2010, 01:27:48 PM
Gallsman, i see you are now into ridiculing those who dare to have a republican outlook on a message board. Is that the new level to stoop to? Well going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, what does that make you, if I'm a "keyboard republican"?

A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours? Bit snobby that.

No, I'm specifically ridiculing you and Banana Man. Not that hard to figure out really.

you are ridiculing us because you perceive us to have republican outlooks. Are you saying you aren't nationalist/post nationalist then gallsman?

No I'm ridiculing you because I see you as someone who, as stated earlier, fits the description of a "keyboard republican".

Also, I'm still waiting to know what insight you have into the minds of people south of the border.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 17, 2010, 01:36:15 PM
Gallsman, i see you are now into ridiculing those who dare to have a republican outlook on a message board. Is that the new level to stoop to? Well going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, what does that make you, if I'm a "keyboard republican"?

A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours? Bit snobby that.

No, I'm specifically ridiculing you and Banana Man. Not that hard to figure out really.

you are ridiculing us because you perceive us to have republican outlooks. Are you saying you aren't nationalist/post nationalist then gallsman?

No I'm ridiculing you because I see you as someone who, as stated earlier, fits the description of a "keyboard republican".

Also, I'm still waiting to know what insight you have into the minds of people south of the border.

I'm still waiting on you illustrating where i attributed points on evidence and snobbery to you ya gonch

plus i have already batted that one on keyboard republican out of the park, if you will recall it was where you couldn't differentiate between constitutional and physical force, anything else?

just for the record i have insight to the minds through people i know who live in the south funnily enough, none of your trinity crowd either thankfully
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 17, 2010, 01:52:26 PM
Gallsman, i see you are now into ridiculing those who dare to have a republican outlook on a message board. Is that the new level to stoop to? Well going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, what does that make you, if I'm a "keyboard republican"?

A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours? Bit snobby that.

No, I'm specifically ridiculing you and Banana Man. Not that hard to figure out really.

you are ridiculing us because you perceive us to have republican outlooks. Are you saying you aren't nationalist/post nationalist then gallsman?

No I'm ridiculing you because I see you as someone who, as stated earlier, fits the description of a "keyboard republican".

Also, I'm still waiting to know what insight you have into the minds of people south of the border.

I'm still waiting on you illustrating where i attributed points on evidence and snobbery to you ya gonch

plus i have already batted that one on keyboard republican out of the park, if you will recall it was where you couldn't differentiate between constitutional and physical force, anything else?

just for the record i have insight to the minds through people i know who live in the south funnily enough, none of your trinity crowd either thankfully

Wow! You know people in the south??? What size sample is that? You do know about representative sampling I suppose, do you?

You batted it out of the park, did you?? Constitutional or physical force is irrelevant - you and your ilk are a disgrace to both.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Franko on November 17, 2010, 01:57:06 PM
Gallsman, i see you are now into ridiculing those who dare to have a republican outlook on a message board. Is that the new level to stoop to? Well going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, what does that make you, if I'm a "keyboard republican"?

A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours? Bit snobby that.

No, I'm specifically ridiculing you and Banana Man. Not that hard to figure out really.

you are ridiculing us because you perceive us to have republican outlooks. Are you saying you aren't nationalist/post nationalist then gallsman?

No I'm ridiculing you because I see you as someone who, as stated earlier, fits the description of a "keyboard republican".

Also, I'm still waiting to know what insight you have into the minds of people south of the border.

I'm still waiting on you illustrating where i attributed points on evidence and snobbery to you ya gonch

plus i have already batted that one on keyboard republican out of the park, if you will recall it was where you couldn't differentiate between constitutional and physical force, anything else?

just for the record i have insight to the minds through people i know who live in the south funnily enough, none of your trinity crowd either thankfully

Wow! You know people in the south??? What size sample is that? You do know about representative sampling I suppose, do you?

You batted it out of the park, did you?? Constitutional or physical force is irrelevant - you and your ilk are a disgrace to both.

I've been stuck in the middle of many's a childish argument but this is getting ridiculous.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Banana Man on November 17, 2010, 02:04:28 PM
Gallsman, i see you are now into ridiculing those who dare to have a republican outlook on a message board. Is that the new level to stoop to? Well going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, what does that make you, if I'm a "keyboard republican"?

A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours? Bit snobby that.

No, I'm specifically ridiculing you and Banana Man. Not that hard to figure out really.

you are ridiculing us because you perceive us to have republican outlooks. Are you saying you aren't nationalist/post nationalist then gallsman?

No I'm ridiculing you because I see you as someone who, as stated earlier, fits the description of a "keyboard republican".

Also, I'm still waiting to know what insight you have into the minds of people south of the border.

I'm still waiting on you illustrating where i attributed points on evidence and snobbery to you ya gonch

plus i have already batted that one on keyboard republican out of the park, if you will recall it was where you couldn't differentiate between constitutional and physical force, anything else?

just for the record i have insight to the minds through people i know who live in the south funnily enough, none of your trinity crowd either thankfully

Wow! You know people in the south??? What size sample is that? You do know about representative sampling I suppose, do you?

You batted it out of the park, did you?? Constitutional or physical force is irrelevant - you and your ilk are a disgrace to both.

didn't take you to long until you resorted to personal abuse. You have moved away from debate (actually i don't think you ever started) however it is quite clear the poison is seeping out of you and you can no longer engage in a meaningful discussion

yes i did as already stated, not only can you no longer think for yourself you have resorted to the tactics of an infant in repeating what the other person is saying

oh and you need to wash that dummy before you put it back in your mouth, it might be infected after you spat it out and it hit the floor  :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 17, 2010, 02:08:57 PM
Gallsman, i see you are now into ridiculing those who dare to have a republican outlook on a message board. Is that the new level to stoop to? Well going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, what does that make you, if I'm a "keyboard republican"?

A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours? Bit snobby that.

No, I'm specifically ridiculing you and Banana Man. Not that hard to figure out really.
I know you think you are ridiculing bananaman and myself, but that wasn't what I asked. So I'll ask my two questions again, in the hope of an answer to them the second time around.

Going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, so if I'm a "keyboard republican", what does that make you? A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 17, 2010, 03:17:33 PM
Gallsman, i see you are now into ridiculing those who dare to have a republican outlook on a message board. Is that the new level to stoop to? Well going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, what does that make you, if I'm a "keyboard republican"?

A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours? Bit snobby that.

No, I'm specifically ridiculing you and Banana Man. Not that hard to figure out really.
I know you think you are ridiculing bananaman and myself, but that wasn't what I asked. So I'll ask my two questions again, in the hope of an answer to them the second time around.

Going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, so if I'm a "keyboard republican", what does that make you? A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours?


But your question is completely irrelevant - my posts tend to examine both sides of an arguement. You post exclusively about your own opinions and attempt to shout down anyone who disagees with you. For example, you insist on referring to the SDLP and its supporters as "stoops". You don't catch me refferring to Sinn Fein as "murdering, sectarian, paedophile-hiding b**tards," do you?

I'm not a keyboard anything - I don't tend to wear my politics on my sleeve on an anonymous internet forum.

I've been stuck in the middle of many's a childish argument but this is getting ridiculous.

I know but apparently myself, Nally and Banana Man are each as stubborn as the other.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 17, 2010, 04:04:04 PM
It's a bit of a stretch to murdering whatever from stoops. I don't know what age you are Gallsman but you don't seem to have an understanding of where the NI state came from or the issues faced by Nationalists, Catholics and Republicans up to the late 1980's early 1990's. I wonder reading your posts are you just winding people up? Your revisionist posts over simply the whole NI question just as much as some of the posts from those you ridicule. Bottomline is the political situation here is not as simple as Margaret Ritchie and her poppy would have you believe, neither is it as clear cut as some republican posters believe. Our enconomy is every bit as dependant on that of the ROI as it is on the UK subvention. It is much more complicated than that but I don't have the time or inclination to go into the detail. To go back to the issue of the poppy and it's symbolism and the whole NI question and where the SDLP are leading us by extension, read Nuala O'Connor's article in yesterdays Irish News.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on November 17, 2010, 04:13:56 PM
Gallsman, i see you are now into ridiculing those who dare to have a republican outlook on a message board. Is that the new level to stoop to? Well going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, what does that make you, if I'm a "keyboard republican"?

A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours? Bit snobby that.

No, I'm specifically ridiculing you and Banana Man. Not that hard to figure out really.
I know you think you are ridiculing bananaman and myself, but that wasn't what I asked. So I'll ask my two questions again, in the hope of an answer to them the second time around.

Going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, so if I'm a "keyboard republican", what does that make you? A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours?


But your question is completely irrelevant - my posts tend to examine both sides of an arguement. You post exclusively about your own opinions and attempt to shout down anyone who disagees with you. For example, you insist on referring to the SDLP and its supporters as "stoops". You don't catch me refferring to Sinn Fein as "murdering, sectarian, paedophile-hiding b**tards," do you?

I'm not a keyboard anything - I don't tend to wear my politics on my sleeve on an anonymous internet forum.

I have several times indicated things is disagree with SF on. I make no apologies for still being a supporter, and I CERTAINLY make no apologies for being a republican. Since when does being a republican exclude you from the right to discuss things on this board?
You still don't answer my question anyway Gallsman. You may think it is irrelevant but it is still is a question. If I am a "keyboard republican", are you then by extension, since you put up more posts than me, a "keyboard post-nationalist" or a "keyboard anti-republican"? Or is it only if you are a republican, do you have bestowed upon you the prefix of "keyboard..."?

P.s. You have very grandiose ideas about your posts. You resort to petty snipes and personal abuse and "ridiculing" more than anything. Not the most grown up if you ask me. If you have an issue with something I post, then discuss it with me without the use of  supposed insults like "you're a keyboard republican" or "you're an embarrassment" or "you complete imbecile" or "you are incapable narrow minded fools". You were discussing something with Bananaman which I was not involved with in the slightest yet in your reply to him, you still felt the need to use personal abuse about me, Gallsman. So you can maintain all the grand ideas about your balanced posts all you want. You are just exposing yourself as 110% anti-republican (which of course is your right, but don't start spouting about looking at both sides of an argument).
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 17, 2010, 04:33:52 PM
1) It's a bit of a stretch to murdering whatever from stoops. 2) I don't know what age you are Gallsman but you don't seem to have an understanding of where the NI state came from or the issues faced by Nationalists, Catholics and Republicans up to the late 1980's early 1990's. I wonder reading your posts are you just winding people up? 3) Your revisionist posts over simply the whole NI question just as much as some of the posts from those you ridicule. Bottomline is the political situation here is not as simple as Margaret Ritchie and her poppy would have you believe, neither is it as clear cut as some republican posters believe. Our enconomy is every bit as dependant on that of the ROI as it is on the UK subvention. It is much more complicated than that but I don't have the time or inclination to go into the detail. 4) To go back to the issue of the poppy and it's symbolism and the whole NI question and where the SDLP are leading us by extension, read Nuala O'Connor's article in yesterdays Irish News.

1) Principle is principle. The point I was making is that Nally feels the need to constantly refer to the SDLP in what he and others no doubt feel is a hilariously insulting manner. I don't when it comes to any political party. Except maybe Eirigi or the BNP.

2) I'm 23 and perfectly aware of the history of this island. Further questions?

3) Revisionist posts? Where? What have I revised anywhere? I don't attempt to deny ANY attrocity committed, whether political, social or military on either the British side or "our" side. Nor do I attempt to pander to any particular entity or party

4) I don't read the Irish News, don't have a subscription and struggle to come by it in Dublin (not that I try that hard) - perhaps you could post it for me.

What the f**k the poppy and the "Northern Ireland question" have to do with each other is beyond me. Wearing the poppy is a personal choice that someone makes for personal reasons.

You appear to think that I'm a supporter of both the SDLP and Margaret Ritchie - I'm neither. I'll just speak up when I think someone is waffling away.

You are just exposing yourself as 110% anti-republican (which of course is your right, but don't start spouting about looking at both sides of an argument).

How am I doing that? By disagreeing with you?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 17, 2010, 05:11:56 PM
1) It's a bit of a stretch to murdering whatever from stoops. 2) I don't know what age you are Gallsman but you don't seem to have an understanding of where the NI state came from or the issues faced by Nationalists, Catholics and Republicans up to the late 1980's early 1990's. I wonder reading your posts are you just winding people up? 3) Your revisionist posts over simply the whole NI question just as much as some of the posts from those you ridicule. Bottomline is the political situation here is not as simple as Margaret Ritchie and her poppy would have you believe, neither is it as clear cut as some republican posters believe. Our enconomy is every bit as dependant on that of the ROI as it is on the UK subvention. It is much more complicated than that but I don't have the time or inclination to go into the detail. 4) To go back to the issue of the poppy and it's symbolism and the whole NI question and where the SDLP are leading us by extension, read Nuala O'Connor's article in yesterdays Irish News.

1) Principle is principle. The point I was making is that Nally feels the need to constantly refer to the SDLP in what he and others no doubt feel is a hilariously insulting manner. I don't when it comes to any political party. Except maybe Eirigi or the BNP.

2) I'm 23 and perfectly aware of the history of this island. Further questions?

3) Revisionist posts? Where? What have I revised anywhere? I don't attempt to deny ANY attrocity committed, whether political, social or military on either the British side or "our" side. Nor do I attempt to pander to any particular entity or party

4) I don't read the Irish News, don't have a subscription and struggle to come by it in Dublin (not that I try that hard) - perhaps you could post it for me.

What the f**k the poppy and the "Northern Ireland question" have to do with each other is beyond me. Wearing the poppy is a personal choice that someone makes for personal reasons.

You appear to think that I'm a supporter of both the SDLP and Margaret Ritchie - I'm neither. I'll just speak up when I think someone is waffling away.

You are just exposing yourself as 110% anti-republican (which of course is your right, but don't start spouting about looking at both sides of an argument).

How am I doing that? By disagreeing with you?

!!!  ???
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: dec on November 17, 2010, 07:18:30 PM
Airdrie put a picture of some soldiers on the front of their match program for Poppy Day.

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 17, 2010, 07:37:50 PM
Airdrie put a picture of some soldiers on the front of their match program for Poppy Day.

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Aren't those German soldiers.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 17, 2010, 07:42:15 PM
Still see them being worn in England, wish they would get over it.

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: spanner on November 17, 2010, 09:10:06 PM
Gallsman, i see you are now into ridiculing those who dare to have a republican outlook on a message board. Is that the new level to stoop to? Well going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, what does that make you, if I'm a "keyboard republican"?

A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours? Bit snobby that.

No, I'm specifically ridiculing you and Banana Man. Not that hard to figure out really.
I know you think you are ridiculing bananaman and myself, but that wasn't what I asked. So I'll ask my two questions again, in the hope of an answer to them the second time around.

Going by your profile, you have put up more posts than I have, and post per day average is higher than mine, so if I'm a "keyboard republican", what does that make you? A keyboard post-nationalist?

Or is they "keyboard" prefix only necessary when attempting to ridicule people for not having similar political opinions to yours?


But your question is completely irrelevant - my posts tend to examine both sides of an arguement. You post exclusively about your own opinions and attempt to shout down anyone who disagees with you. For example, you insist on referring to the SDLP and its supporters as "stoops". You don't catch me refferring to Sinn Fein as "murdering, sectarian, paedophile-hiding b**tards," do you?

I'm not a keyboard anything - I don't tend to wear my politics on my sleeve on an anonymous internet forum.

I have several times indicated things is disagree with SF on. I make no apologies for still being a supporter, and I CERTAINLY make no apologies for being a republican. Since when does being a republican exclude you from the right to discuss things on this board?
You still don't answer my question anyway Gallsman. You may think it is irrelevant but it is still is a question. If I am a "keyboard republican", are you then by extension, since you put up more posts than me, a "keyboard post-nationalist" or a "keyboard anti-republican"? Or is it only if you are a republican, do you have bestowed upon you the prefix of "keyboard..."?

P.s. You have very grandiose ideas about your posts. You resort to petty snipes and personal abuse and "ridiculing" more than anything. Not the most grown up if you ask me. If you have an issue with something I post, then discuss it with me without the use of  supposed insults like "you're a keyboard republican" or "you're an embarrassment" or "you complete imbecile" or "you are incapable narrow minded fools". You were discussing something with Bananaman which I was not involved with in the slightest yet in your reply to him, you still felt the need to use personal abuse about me, Gallsman. So you can maintain all the grand ideas about your balanced posts all you want. You are just exposing yourself as 110% anti-republican (which of course is your right, but don't start spouting about looking at both sides of an argument).


Jeez!.  Ye tuk that bad!

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on November 17, 2010, 10:44:02 PM
Saw a few Peelers today with them still on. Some just love the look - perhaps, a political message taken a bit too far!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2010, 10:46:18 PM
Doing that just to wind up the posters on the Gaa board. No doubt logging on to see if they get a reaction......... ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on November 17, 2010, 11:17:01 PM
Doing that just to wind up the posters on the Gaa board. No doubt logging on to see if they get a reaction......... ;)

That wound u up anyway.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: caughtredhanded on November 17, 2010, 11:27:25 PM
Airdrie put a picture of some soldiers on the front of their match program for Poppy Day.

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Aren't those German soldiers.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Yes they are! Heard about this yesterday, major red faces in Airdrie.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 18, 2010, 11:44:43 PM
Was in a long queue in the bank today (in London) and noticed the guy in front of me still had a Poppy in his lapel.

A few minutes later, someone at one of the tellers' window completed his business and turned to leave. On his way out, he noticed the guy in front of me, whom he knew, and greeted him warmly - something along the lines of "Good to see ya, will you be around at the weekend etc"

Despite being Irish (from the accent, somewhere about the Midlands?), this second guy didn't seem to mind/notice that his friend was wearing a Poppy - fair enough, live and let live and all that.

But when the Poppy-wearer's answer revealed that he, too, was a 'Free Stater', I thought of this thread and grinned.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ONeill on November 18, 2010, 11:54:38 PM
Those who are offended by a poppy choose to be so. I couldn't give a dicky if they were a green kite for the memory of Japanese miners.

People should be free to display, be it on them or otherwise, symbols of anything they believe in. This 'beating it up ye' argument only exists if you are a wee bit sensitive.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Puckoon on November 18, 2010, 11:55:28 PM
Those who are offended by a poppy choose to be so. I couldn't give a dicky if they were a green kite for the memory of Japanese miners.

People should be free to display, be it on them or otherwise, symbols of anything they believe in. This 'beating it up ye' argument only exists if you are a wee bit sensitive.

117.5% nail on the head.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: muppet on November 19, 2010, 12:36:27 AM
Those who are offended by a poppy choose to be so. I couldn't give a dicky if they were a green kite for the memory of Japanese miners.

People should be free to display, be it on them or otherwise, symbols of anything they believe in. This 'beating it up ye' argument only exists if you are a wee bit sensitive.

117.5% nail on the head.

Ye feckin IMF feckers are everywhere.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: saffron sam2 on November 19, 2010, 08:45:48 AM
Those who are offended by a poppy choose to be so. I couldn't give a dicky if they were a green kite for the memory of Japanese miners.

People should be free to display, be it on them or otherwise, symbols of anything they believe in. This 'beating it up ye' argument only exists if you are a wee bit sensitive.

Fair point, but I think the main issue on this thread is that, in many cases, people aren't free to choose whether or not to wear a poppy and that the motives of those who choose not to are questioned.

Now, I know that the poppy is banned in the place where you work. However, if it was policy in your corganisation that each employee must wear the poppy from the launch of the appeal until Remembrance Sunday, how would you feel?

It is poppy fascism / nazism, not the poppy itself that is the main issue.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 19, 2010, 01:32:06 PM
I think the main issue on this thread is that, in many cases, people aren't free to choose whether or not to wear a poppy and that the motives of those who choose not to are questioned.
No doubt that is the main issue for you, but you are choosing only to see, or give full creedence to, one side of the debate.

You state that "in many cases" people aren't free not to wear a Poppy. How many cases can you point to? The only example I have yet heard is the BBC, yet I know for a fact that eg Mark Sidebottom appeared without one on at least one occasion during the recent Appeal period (I saw it myself).

As for questioning of the motives of people who don't wear one, can you point to any examples where people are being asked "Why aren't you wearing a Poppy?"

By contrast, I could point to examples where people do feel intimidated for wearing one, eg, at Quinn's Insurance in Enniskillen:

QUINN Insurance has defended their equality policies in the wake of criticism from a number of Protestant workers over the wearing of poppies.

Several employees have told this newspaper how they feel their life “wouldn’t be worth living” if they wore a poppy into the Enniskillen office. However a spokesman for the firm stated it was acceptable for people wear emblems such as poppies at the appropriate time of year.
But one employee said, “You feel as if putting on a poppy is you putting on a sectarian badge. I have to take my poppy off before I go into work in case someone says anything to me -- I’m too scared to wear it,” said one Protestant worker.
Another employee claimed he was advised to remove his poppy inside the building because “loads of people” would “take offence” to it.
“I think it’s a sad world when you feel so uncomfortable about wearing a poppy that you take it off -- especially here in Enniskillen, especially after what happened in 1987. It’s extremely important to remember the dead but if it’s going to get you into trouble then it’s not worth it,” he said.
While another added: “I know things have been said to people in the past who have had one on. Things like: ‘Why are you wearing that?’ and ‘That’s offensive’ and so on. There is a concern at the moment that wearing a poppy might hinder your career further down the line. I’ve been told that it wouldn’t be beneficial wearing one so I don’t and I hate myself for that,” he said.
One employee talked about “much unease” in Quinn Insurance which he said is making all of the Protestants feel “very uncomfortable” at the moment.

http://www.impartialreporter.com/news/roundup/articles/2010/11/12/392550-poppies-divide-workforce-at-quinn-insurance/

Now, I know that the poppy is banned in the place where you work.
Do you think that is fair and reasonable? If so, why is it any more fair and reasonable to prevent people from wearing one than making them wear one?

In both cases, people are being made to behave against their will, over a matter which is not a matter of law, but one of freedom of personal expression.

However, if it was policy in your corganisation that each employee must wear the poppy from the launch of the appeal until Remembrance Sunday, how would you feel?
Speaking for myself, I would object to any such policy being imposed.

But be honest, that is a Straw Man argument, for with the possible exception of the BBC, there is no organisation anywhere in the UK which insists on its employees wearing a poppy.

Whereas there are examples, albeit isolated, where it is either offically banned or unofficially frowned upon.

It is poppy fascism / nazism, not the poppy itself that is the main issue.
That is your opinion.

Imo, being forced to wear a Poppy is merely a symptom of the "disease", not the disease itself. That is, I might just as plausibly argue that the banning of the Poppy is the "main issue" (though I do not).

Rather, the main issue is/should be that of tolerance. On which point, I believe that people should be free to wear, or not wear, the Poppy entirely as they see fit. And whichever their choice, they should face neither censure nor preferment, either directly or indirectly.

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hardy on November 19, 2010, 02:08:10 PM
No doubt that is the main issue for you, but you are choosing only to see, or give full creedence to, one side of the debate.

I see what you're doing here - seeking to put Clearwater between yourself and Saffron Sam. Don't be surprised if there's a Revival of his argument, though.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 19, 2010, 02:13:15 PM
I see what you're doing here - seeking to put Clearwater between yourself and Saffron Sam. Don't be surprised if there's a Revival of his argument, though.
But do you see a bad moon arising? Trouble on the way, perhaps?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hardy on November 19, 2010, 02:17:52 PM
I'm sayin nuttin.

But don't go around tonight.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: saffron sam2 on November 19, 2010, 02:57:31 PM
I wish you would stop lookin' for a reason to pick fights with me.

I think the main issue on this thread is that, in many cases, people aren't free to choose whether or not to wear a poppy and that the motives of those who choose not to are questioned.
No doubt that is the main issue for you, but you are choosing only to see, or give full creedence to, one side of the debate.

I accept that both sides of the argument have equal credence. However when the employer is someone like the BBC, then the profile of one side of debate is obviously increased. If the BBC banned the poppy, that would be as equally wrong as their current stance.

You state that "in many cases" people aren't free not to wear a Poppy. How many cases can you point to? The only example I have yet heard is the BBC, yet I know for a fact that eg Mark Sidebottom appeared without one on at least one occasion during the recent Appeal period (I saw it myself).

It is also an issue in independent television companies, particularly in Britain, although over here UTV do not make it compulsory.

With regards to Mark Sidebotton, if you are referring to last Saturday evening's appearance (13th November), that fell outside the range of dates which the BBC issues as "guidelines" for wearing the poppy (24th Oct to 11th Nov).

Now, I know that the poppy is banned in the place where you work.
Do you think that is fair and reasonable? If so, why is it any more fair and reasonable to prevent people from wearing one than making them wear one?

No, totally unfair and unreasonable. However, I am told these are only actually guidelines and just because ONeill hasn't actually seen anyone wearing a poppy, this doesn't mean they are banned.

But be honest, that is a Straw Man argument, for with the possible exception of the BBC, there is no organisation anywhere in the UK which insists on its employees wearing a poppy.

Whereas there are examples, albeit isolated, where it is either offically banned or unofficially frowned upon.

I think it is fair to assume that no organisation will put either policy in writing (the BBC claims it the individual presenter's choice). I have also given  examples of organisations where such a "policy" exists. From where I'm looking the attempts to demonise those not wearing one, or force one to wear one far outweigh any demonisation of those who choose to wear one. I accept your opinion and experiences will differ.

Rather, the main issue is/should be that of tolerance. On which point, I believe that people should be free to wear, or not wear, the Poppy entirely as they see fit. And whichever their choice, they should face neither censure nor preferment, either directly or indirectly.

Exactly, yet that is clearly beyond, for example, those who run the BBC. Someday that may happen, but unfortunately someday never comes.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 19, 2010, 04:36:33 PM
Wouldn't it be great if everyone understood that people from different back grounds interpret/think of things differently

Off the top of my head, here are the different types of folk who I think wear a poppy

Those who wear the poppy as a mark of respect to those who died in WWI & WWII and don't wish them wearing a poppy to be interpreted wrongly. It's no big deal
Those who wear the poppy as a mark of respect to those who died in all miltary conflicts (including here and abroad) and don't wish them wearing a poppy to be interpreted wrongly. They understand there were wrongs on both sides in this conflict and beyond but wish to mark this period of remembrance.
Those who wear the poppy as a mark of respect to those who died in all miltary conflicts (including here and abroad) but also like the whole pissing on a lampost element of this form of remembrance
Those who wear the poppy to show everybody where their allegiance lies and don't give much thought to what it is really meant to represent.
Those who could take it or leave wearing a poppy but do so so as not to be ostricised for not doing so within their communities/places of emplyment.

The BBC and papers like to think and present that poppy wearing is all about the first two points listed, but certainly in this part of the world it's just not the complete truth.

Personally I couldn't give a toss as I refuse to go out of my way to get offended at these sort of things. Do the same and very soon you'll hardly notice them
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2010, 08:31:12 PM
Cant believe it The young lad from One Direction and May Byrne singing in front of the British Army, will this ever end!!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 21, 2010, 08:38:21 PM
Cant believe it The young lad from One Direction and May Byrne singing in front of the British Army, will this ever end!!

is there anything of importance in your life, this upsets you???????? ::)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2010, 08:44:38 PM
Cant believe it The young lad from One Direction and May Byrne singing in front of the British Army, will this ever end!!

is there anything of importance in your life, this upsets you???????? ::)

I'm taking the piss to the many posts that have went on beforehand An Gaeilgoir
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 21, 2010, 08:55:03 PM
Cant believe it The young lad from One Direction and May Byrne singing in front of the British Army, will this ever end!!

I'm outraged too. Didn't they endure enough in Afghanistan?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: An Gaeilgoir on November 21, 2010, 08:56:12 PM
Cant believe it The young lad from One Direction and May Byrne singing in front of the British Army, will this ever end!!

is there anything of importance in your life, this upsets you???????? ::)

I'm taking the piss to the many posts that have went on beforehand An Gaeilgoir

Missed that one, will go and stand in the corner now. :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: muppet on November 21, 2010, 09:11:51 PM
Cant believe it The young lad from One Direction and May Byrne singing in front of the British Army, will this ever end!!

I'm outraged too. Didn't they endure enough in Afghanistan?

Very good.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 21, 2010, 10:12:51 PM
Even worse, the young Irish lad in 1 direction had to wear an England jersey and meet stephen gerrard.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2010, 10:45:31 PM
While I do my best to avoid X-Factor, much more offensive to the senses than the Poppy, I do feel Britain is turning much like the USA in its attempts to shift the focus of the masses.

Where the troops are now sacrosanct and their suffering has become a vehicle for propaganda for the illegal war. I find it strange that there seems to be no mention of the fact that they really shouldn't be in Afghanistan in the first place. Its always about these "poor brave soldiers", how does it get lost that their suffering is totally unnecessary as is, that of the people of Afghanistan.




Whatever about the horror inflicted on those involved in the war, the butchery carried out on David Bowies 'Heroes' was probably the most vile thing about the whole episode. Stop the X-Factors illegal war on music now.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 21, 2010, 10:47:30 PM
While I do my best to avoid X-Factor, much more offensive to the senses than the Poppy, I do feel Britain is turning much like the USA in its attempts to shift the focus of the masses.

Where the troops are now sacrosanct and their suffering has become a vehicle for propaganda for the illegal war. I find it strange that there seems to be no mention of the fact that they really shouldn't be in Afghanistan in the first place. Its always about these "poor brave soldiers", how does it get lost that their suffering is totally unnecessary as is, that of the people of Afghanistan.




Whatever about the horror inflicted on those involved in the war, the butchery carried out on David Bowies 'Heroes' was probably the most vile thing about the whole episode. Stop the X-Factors illegal war on music now.
It was horrendous
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2010, 11:02:22 PM
The 'war' in Afghanistan and Iraq is wrong we all know that, no justification at all in my view.

 the Politicians are the ones who should be personally notifying the families of these young men who are out fighting a war if they are injured or killed. Its senseless and will as they have always done prove fruitless.

For me i don't personally blame the British army, its the political parties that send these men out to a country that does not want them there. It will continue as long as the voters vote them in.

Do we hate every army or country that are in these countries of conflict?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Orior on November 21, 2010, 11:03:25 PM
While I do my best to avoid X-Factor, much more offensive to the senses than the Poppy, I do feel Britain is turning much like the USA in its attempts to shift the focus of the masses.

Where the troops are now sacrosanct and their suffering has become a vehicle for propaganda for the illegal war. I find it strange that there seems to be no mention of the fact that they really shouldn't be in Afghanistan in the first place. Its always about these "poor brave soldiers", how does it get lost that their suffering is totally unnecessary as is, that of the people of Afghanistan.




Whatever about the horror inflicted on those involved in the war, the butchery carried out on David Bowies 'Heroes' was probably the most vile thing about the whole episode. Stop the X-Factors illegal war on music now.

I've heard commentators say that the poppy should remind us all of the horror of the two world wars, and stop it happening again.

Yet, the british have marched off to war against (among others) Argentina, Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2010, 11:09:11 PM
But no one voted in favour of the war, no one wanted it.


In case anyone STILL thinks they are out there protecting the 'West' from terrorism:

http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/afghanistan-a-war-for-gas-and-oil-pipelines-2/
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2010, 11:16:19 PM
No one believes they are protecting the West from terrorism.

If the British public were given the chance to vote for the war in Iraq or Afghanistan then i believe they would be home now.

What countries are the Irish army in at the minute?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2010, 11:23:23 PM
Interestingly enough this was in the paper;

Quote
Irish troops preparing for their role in the new year in the EU Nordic battlegroup are currently being put through their paces in an intensive training exercise in Sweden.

The aim of the exercise, codenamed Joint Action 2010, is to test the battlegroup's operational capability in the event of a deployment during the first half of next year.

The Defence Forces are contributing 153 personnel to the battlegroup and they will be joined by troops from Sweden, Estonia, Norway and Finland.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/irish-troops-on-exercises-in-sweden-2427225.html

And the new British-French military co-op on the go as well, is that old European Army thing that was a hot topic around the Lisbon treaty in the pipe-line. Probably not but a nice bit of fodder for the Euro-sceptics.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 21, 2010, 11:30:00 PM
Lets be honest here the british public are more interested in voting on the Xf****r

Bill Hicks had this all worked out. Here he is talking about the John F. Kennedy assassination

Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their f**king skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do as we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!

Another relevant sketch of his also on the first iraq war
You know we armed Iraq. I wondered about that too, you know. During the Persian Gulf war, those intelligence reports would come out: "Iraq: incredible weapons – incredible weapons." "How do you know that?" "Uh, well … we looked at the receipts. But as soon as that check clears, we're goin' in. What time's the bank open? Eight? We're going in at nine. We're going in for God and country and democracy and here's a fetus and he's a Hitler. Whatever you f**king need, let's go. Get motivated behind this, let's go!"

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2010, 11:31:15 PM
If the British public were given the chance to vote for the war in Iraq or Afghanistan then i believe they would be home now.

And that fact alone makes me more wary of the whole attention the suffering of the soldiers is getting. The media focus, especially using something like X-Factor which has a huge grip on the public's attention has shifted away from the war and more on "Get Behind Our Boys".

I remember last year during the poppy-fest was on the go and Gordon Brown and all the others putting wreaths down and looking all solemn and talking about sacrifice and it stink of shite then as it's starting to become unbearable now.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on October 25, 2011, 08:42:48 PM
Well, it's the 25th October and I saw my first Poppies for sale today - bought one, too.

It was in the Chemists. An Asian-owned Chemists. In England. I'm disappointed that NI got beaten to it - must do better next year, if we're to keep Nationalists feeling intimidated and oppressed.

And if I'm honest, I'm feeling a wee bit disappointed that my gesture in wearing one isn't going to achieve the maximum effect.

Fortunately I'm due back in NI at the weekend, so I'll make sure and wear mine prominently, so as to be able to "force it down peoples throat" [sic] properly.

Faugh a Ballagh!  ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hoof Hearted on October 25, 2011, 08:46:39 PM
Well, it's the 25th October and I saw my first Poppies for sale today - bought one, too.

It was in the Chemists. An Asian-owned Chemists. In England. I'm disappointed that NI got beaten to it - must do better next year, if we're to keep Nationalists feeling intimidated and oppressed.

And if I'm honest, I'm feeling a wee bit disappointed that my gesture in wearing one isn't going to achieve the maximum effect.

Fortunately I'm due back in NI at the weekend, so I'll make sure and wear mine prominently, so as to be able to "force it down peoples throat" [sic] properly.

Faugh a Ballagh!  ;)

Scotland beat everyone to it, McCoist had one on at the weekend
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Minder on October 25, 2011, 08:48:45 PM
I saw someone wearing one almost two weeks ago.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on October 25, 2011, 08:54:39 PM
I saw someone wearing one almost two weeks ago.

Margaret Ritchie?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 25, 2011, 08:57:00 PM
One of my students had one on today, I never give it a second thought
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: stew on October 25, 2011, 10:43:24 PM
Well, it's the 25th October and I saw my first Poppies for sale today - bought one, too.

It was in the Chemists. An Asian-owned Chemists. In England. I'm disappointed that NI got beaten to it - must do better next year, if we're to keep Nationalists feeling intimidated and oppressed.

And if I'm honest, I'm feeling a wee bit disappointed that my gesture in wearing one isn't going to achieve the maximum effect.

Fortunately I'm due back in NI at the weekend, so I'll make sure and wear mine prominently, so as to be able to "force it down peoples throat" [sic] properly.

Faugh a Ballagh!  ;)

Wear it with pride son, I have no issue with you wearing a poppy, I could not care less what you wear.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 25, 2011, 11:04:38 PM
Well, it's the 25th October and I saw my first Poppies for sale today - bought one, too.

It was in the Chemists. An Asian-owned Chemists. In England. I'm disappointed that NI got beaten to it - must do better next year, if we're to keep Nationalists feeling intimidated and oppressed.

And if I'm honest, I'm feeling a wee bit disappointed that my gesture in wearing one isn't going to achieve the maximum effect.

Fortunately I'm due back in NI at the weekend, so I'll make sure and wear mine prominently, so as to be able to "force it down peoples throat" [sic] properly.

Faugh a Ballagh!  ;) Fág an Bealach

O is it that time of year again, pointless triumphalism and an inability to realise the romantic empire is dead and gone, its with old Cromwell in his grave.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on October 25, 2011, 11:32:29 PM
Well, it's the 25th October and I saw my first Poppies for sale today - bought one, too.

It was in the Chemists. An Asian-owned Chemists. In England. I'm disappointed that NI got beaten to it - must do better next year, if we're to keep Nationalists feeling intimidated and oppressed.

And if I'm honest, I'm feeling a wee bit disappointed that my gesture in wearing one isn't going to achieve the maximum effect.

Fortunately I'm due back in NI at the weekend, so I'll make sure and wear mine prominently, so as to be able to "force it down peoples throat" [sic] properly.

Faugh a Ballagh!  ;)

EG, what movie is your signature from - I can't put my finger on it.

Don't care about anyone wearing a poppy, it's entirely up to them. Find it a bit ludicrous that people can have them out a month in advance of Rememberance Sunday but it doesn't hurt me or anger me in any way. Nobody on TV or the public eye in general should be pressurized into wearing one.

MGHU, even some of your best armchair Provo mates on here wouldn't pretend the poppy is about triumphalism.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: maddog on October 25, 2011, 11:46:22 PM
funny i saw the first one today in Snow Hill station Birmingham, so f**king what, carry on. Mind you if our office (of about 50) is anything to go by in any given year there is about 2 that wear them. One guy is ex raf and the other reads lots of those Andy Mc Nab books. ;) No one else gives a rats arse.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on October 25, 2011, 11:52:08 PM
EG, what movie is your signature from - I can't put my finger on it.
It's from this one:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0198668/

Not an outstanding film, by any means, but still rather underated imo - plus it's got Orla Brady in it, which is never a bad thing!

Anyhow, I enjoyed that particular exchange (signature) because I always think it a much better version of the famous Crocodile Dundee "Call that a knife?" line.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on October 26, 2011, 08:42:26 AM
Well, it's the 25th October and I saw my first Poppies for sale today - bought one, too.

It was in the Chemists. An Asian-owned Chemists. In England. I'm disappointed that NI got beaten to it - must do better next year, if we're to keep Nationalists feeling intimidated and oppressed.

And if I'm honest, I'm feeling a wee bit disappointed that my gesture in wearing one isn't going to achieve the maximum effect.

Fortunately I'm due back in NI at the weekend, so I'll make sure and wear mine prominently, so as to be able to "force it down peoples throat" [sic] properly.

Faugh a Ballagh!  ;)
Nice to see a unionist embrace the Irish Language although the correct spelling is Fág an Bealach I believe.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Olly on October 26, 2011, 10:04:03 AM
I saw a beautiful puppy in the window of a neighbour yesterday. The house was dark so I couldn't see a lot of it when I peered through it but this small dog was lying prone on the mat. It was tremendous.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: haveaharp on October 26, 2011, 11:21:21 AM
Do the poppies all come from Afghanistan? If they do its a nice way of supporting the very people that are trying to kill them. Or are they just made of plastic ?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Orior on October 26, 2011, 01:13:13 PM
Do the poppies all come from Afghanistan? If they do its a nice way of supporting the very people that are trying to kill them. Or are they just made of plastic ?

Yes, the poppies are grown in the field next to the opium field. I agree it is jolly decent of the british to support these industries while at the same time killing the people.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on October 26, 2011, 02:58:38 PM
Well, it's the 25th October and I saw my first Poppies for sale today - bought one, too.

It was in the Chemists. An Asian-owned Chemists. In England. I'm disappointed that NI got beaten to it - must do better next year, if we're to keep Nationalists feeling intimidated and oppressed.

And if I'm honest, I'm feeling a wee bit disappointed that my gesture in wearing one isn't going to achieve the maximum effect.

Fortunately I'm due back in NI at the weekend, so I'll make sure and wear mine prominently, so as to be able to "force it down peoples throat" [sic] properly.

Faugh a Ballagh!  ;)
Nice to see a unionist embrace the Irish Language
I have no objections whatever to the speaking of Irish, only to the politicisation of the language by you-know-who. In fact if anything, I am all for the widening of the country's linguistic and cultural knowledge, as were eg my many Unionist/Protestant forebears who played such a vital role in the retention and revival of the language in the 19th Century etc.

... although the correct spelling is Fág an Bealach I believe.
It would only be "correct" if we were debating in Irish.

"Faugh a Ballagh" is the anglicised version; more pertinently to this thread, it is also the regimental motto of the Royal Irish Regiment.  ;)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20923094@N04/3040243437/
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: stew on October 26, 2011, 03:15:19 PM
Well, it's the 25th October and I saw my first Poppies for sale today - bought one, too.

It was in the Chemists. An Asian-owned Chemists. In England. I'm disappointed that NI got beaten to it - must do better next year, if we're to keep Nationalists feeling intimidated and oppressed.

And if I'm honest, I'm feeling a wee bit disappointed that my gesture in wearing one isn't going to achieve the maximum effect.

Fortunately I'm due back in NI at the weekend, so I'll make sure and wear mine prominently, so as to be able to "force it down peoples throat" [sic] properly.

Faugh a Ballagh!  ;)
Nice to see a unionist embrace the Irish Language
I have no objections whatever to the speaking of Irish, only to the politicisation of the language by you-know-who. In fact if anything, I am all for the widening of the country's linguistic and cultural knowledge, as were eg my many Unionist/Protestant forebears who played such a vital role in the retention and revival of the language in the 19th Century etc.

... although the correct spelling is Fág an Bealach I believe.
It would only be "correct" if we were debating in Irish.

"Faugh a Ballagh" is the anglicised version; more pertinently to this thread, it is also the regimental motto of the Royal Irish Regiment.  ;)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20923094@N04/3040243437/

A royal shower of cnuts is what they are.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armaghniac on October 26, 2011, 03:17:01 PM
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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on October 27, 2011, 09:10:17 AM
Well, it's the 25th October and I saw my first Poppies for sale today - bought one, too.

It was in the Chemists. An Asian-owned Chemists. In England. I'm disappointed that NI got beaten to it - must do better next year, if we're to keep Nationalists feeling intimidated and oppressed.

And if I'm honest, I'm feeling a wee bit disappointed that my gesture in wearing one isn't going to achieve the maximum effect.

Fortunately I'm due back in NI at the weekend, so I'll make sure and wear mine prominently, so as to be able to "force it down peoples throat" [sic] properly.

Faugh a Ballagh!  ;)
Nice to see a unionist embrace the Irish Language
I have no objections whatever to the speaking of Irish, only to the politicisation of the language by you-know-who. In fact if anything, I am all for the widening of the country's linguistic and cultural knowledge, as were eg my many Unionist/Protestant forebears who played such a vital role in the retention and revival of the language in the 19th Century etc.

... although the correct spelling is Fág an Bealach I believe.
It would only be "correct" if we were debating in Irish.

"Faugh a Ballagh" is the anglicised version; more pertinently to this thread, it is also the regimental motto of the Royal Irish Regiment.  ;)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20923094@N04/3040243437/
Ahh I see a makey uppy language a bit like Ulster Scots so that the boys don't have to dirty their tongues. It also features on loads of Loyalist flags on lamp posts.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Nally Stand on October 27, 2011, 09:28:19 AM
I fail to see any differentiation between a loyalist paramilitary flag and a UDR (RIR) flag
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 09:35:42 AM
I fail to see any differentiation between a loyalist paramilitary flag and a UDR (RIR) flag
+1
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on October 27, 2011, 01:22:09 PM
Well, it's the 25th October and I saw my first Poppies for sale today - bought one, too.

It was in the Chemists. An Asian-owned Chemists. In England. I'm disappointed that NI got beaten to it - must do better next year, if we're to keep Nationalists feeling intimidated and oppressed.

And if I'm honest, I'm feeling a wee bit disappointed that my gesture in wearing one isn't going to achieve the maximum effect.

Fortunately I'm due back in NI at the weekend, so I'll make sure and wear mine prominently, so as to be able to "force it down peoples throat" [sic] properly.

Faugh a Ballagh!  ;)
Nice to see a unionist embrace the Irish Language
I have no objections whatever to the speaking of Irish, only to the politicisation of the language by you-know-who. In fact if anything, I am all for the widening of the country's linguistic and cultural knowledge, as were eg my many Unionist/Protestant forebears who played such a vital role in the retention and revival of the language in the 19th Century etc.

... although the correct spelling is Fág an Bealach I believe.
It would only be "correct" if we were debating in Irish.

"Faugh a Ballagh" is the anglicised version; more pertinently to this thread, it is also the regimental motto of the Royal Irish Regiment.  ;)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20923094@N04/3040243437/
Ahh I see a makey uppy language a bit like Ulster Scots so that the boys don't have to dirty their tongues. It also features on loads of Loyalist flags on lamp posts.
So English is a "makey uppy language", is it?

I suppose you'll be telling me next that Irish doesn't contain its own Gaelicised(?) version of words taken from other languages, too...

Amadán
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: hardstation on October 27, 2011, 01:33:26 PM
I have to side with EG here. Applesisapples, you are making a bit of an eejit of yourself.

To say Faugh a Ballagh is "makey uppy" is like saying Armagh is "makey uppy".

The term (Ard Mhaca) you have as your county, however, is neither Irish or English and could therefore be considered "makey uppy".
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 02:21:45 PM
So English is a "makey uppy language", is it?

Actually, yes, English is a makey uppy language. It borrows from all historical languages which is why it makes it pretty powerful in a colonial kinda way. The river Usk in Britain is essentially the same as the Irish and Scots gaelic word 'uisce'. All language is derived to an extent except that god awful dialect called Ulster Scots which is just people from North Antrim being drunk.

If I was being kind, I'd call your RIR lads 'hooligans' (from the Irish family name Ó hUallacháin, anglicised as O'Houlihan) being one who takes part in rowdy behaviour and vandalism. The differentiation between them and their brothers in the UDA is phoney (old english fawney derived from the Irish for ring - fainne). Fecking Tories (tóraí originally an irish outlaw adopted to describe confederates or royalists with arms).

But yes, all languages borrow from each other to a certain extent. Some more than others.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on October 27, 2011, 03:35:38 PM
Well, it's the 25th October and I saw my first Poppies for sale today - bought one, too.

It was in the Chemists. An Asian-owned Chemists. In England. I'm disappointed that NI got beaten to it - must do better next year, if we're to keep Nationalists feeling intimidated and oppressed.

And if I'm honest, I'm feeling a wee bit disappointed that my gesture in wearing one isn't going to achieve the maximum effect.

Fortunately I'm due back in NI at the weekend, so I'll make sure and wear mine prominently, so as to be able to "force it down peoples throat" [sic] properly.

Faugh a Ballagh!  ;)
Nice to see a unionist embrace the Irish Language
I have no objections whatever to the speaking of Irish, only to the politicisation of the language by you-know-who. In fact if anything, I am all for the widening of the country's linguistic and cultural knowledge, as were eg my many Unionist/Protestant forebears who played such a vital role in the retention and revival of the language in the 19th Century etc.

... although the correct spelling is Fág an Bealach I believe.
It would only be "correct" if we were debating in Irish.

"Faugh a Ballagh" is the anglicised version; more pertinently to this thread, it is also the regimental motto of the Royal Irish Regiment.  ;)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20923094@N04/3040243437/
Ahh I see a makey uppy language a bit like Ulster Scots so that the boys don't have to dirty their tongues. It also features on loads of Loyalist flags on lamp posts.
So English is a "makey uppy language", is it?

I suppose you'll be telling me next that Irish doesn't contain its own Gaelicised(?) version of words taken from other languages, too...

Amadán
This is not english but a made up version of an Irish phrase.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on October 27, 2011, 03:38:24 PM
So English is a "makey uppy language", is it?

Actually, yes, English is a makey uppy language. It borrows from all historical languages which is why it makes it pretty powerful in a colonial kinda way. The river Usk in Britain is essentially the same as the Irish and Scots gaelic word 'uisce'. All language is derived to an extent except that god awful dialect called Ulster Scots which is just people from North Antrim being drunk.

If I was being kind, I'd call your RIR lads 'hooligans' (from the Irish family name Ó hUallacháin, anglicised as O'Houlihan) being one who takes part in rowdy behaviour and vandalism. The differentiation between them and their brothers in the UDA is phoney (old english fawney derived from the Irish for ring - fainne). Fecking Tories (tóraí originally an irish outlaw adopted to describe confederates or royalists with arms).

But yes, all languages borrow from each other to a certain extent. Some more than others.
In that sense, all  languages are "makey uppy", including Irish, since all have been made up by the people who spoke them, some more recently than others, and some drawing on less homogeneous sources than other.

However, Apples used "makey uppy" in the sense of false, inauthentic or contrived etc. Now if you claim that "Ulster Scots" is just such a language [sic], then you'll get little argument from me.

But if you or he tries to claim that my use of "Faugh a Ballagh" in the context of this debate was similarly "makey uppy", then I am happy to cite 'Hardstation' in my support, since I fancy he is as expert on such matters as any of us.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 03:45:46 PM
So English is a "makey uppy language", is it?

Actually, yes, English is a makey uppy language. It borrows from all historical languages which is why it makes it pretty powerful in a colonial kinda way. The river Usk in Britain is essentially the same as the Irish and Scots gaelic word 'uisce'. All language is derived to an extent except that god awful dialect called Ulster Scots which is just people from North Antrim being drunk.

If I was being kind, I'd call your RIR lads 'hooligans' (from the Irish family name Ó hUallacháin, anglicised as O'Houlihan) being one who takes part in rowdy behaviour and vandalism. The differentiation between them and their brothers in the UDA is phoney (old english fawney derived from the Irish for ring - fainne). Fecking Tories (tóraí originally an irish outlaw adopted to describe confederates or royalists with arms).

But yes, all languages borrow from each other to a certain extent. Some more than others.
In that sense, all  languages are "makey uppy", including Irish, since all have been made up by the people who spoke them, some more recently than others, and some drawing on less homogeneous sources than other.

However, Apples used "makey uppy" in the sense of false, inauthentic or contrived etc. Now if you claim that "Ulster Scots" is just such a language [sic], then you'll get little argument from me.

But if you or he tries to claim that my use of "Faugh a Ballagh" in the context of this debate was similarly "makey uppy", then I am happy to cite 'Hardstation' in my support, since I fancy he is as expert on such matters as any of us.

I don't disagree with any of that
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: sheamy on October 27, 2011, 03:52:12 PM
In what context did the RIR use "Faugh a Ballagh"? Was it in reference to the regular saturation of an area by troops, and then immediate pull out just before loyalist gunmen struck?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on October 27, 2011, 04:50:17 PM
So English is a "makey uppy language", is it?

Actually, yes, English is a makey uppy language. It borrows from all historical languages which is why it makes it pretty powerful in a colonial kinda way. The river Usk in Britain is essentially the same as the Irish and Scots gaelic word 'uisce'. All language is derived to an extent except that god awful dialect called Ulster Scots which is just people from North Antrim being drunk.

If I was being kind, I'd call your RIR lads 'hooligans' (from the Irish family name Ó hUallacháin, anglicised as O'Houlihan) being one who takes part in rowdy behaviour and vandalism. The differentiation between them and their brothers in the UDA is phoney (old english fawney derived from the Irish for ring - fainne). Fecking Tories (tóraí originally an irish outlaw adopted to describe confederates or royalists with arms).

But yes, all languages borrow from each other to a certain extent. Some more than others.
In that sense, all  languages are "makey uppy", including Irish, since all have been made up by the people who spoke them, some more recently than others, and some drawing on less homogeneous sources than other.

However, Apples used "makey uppy" in the sense of false, inauthentic or contrived etc. Now if you claim that "Ulster Scots" is just such a language [sic], then you'll get little argument from me.

But if you or he tries to claim that my use of "Faugh a Ballagh" in the context of this debate was similarly "makey uppy", then I am happy to cite 'Hardstation' in my support, since I fancy he is as expert on such matters as any of us.
The point I am making is that if this is a genuine attempt to use Irish to represent the Irish origins of the regiment then why not use the correct spelling. Having said that most of the UDR/RIR soldiers who stopped me during the troubles found the English language a challenge, never mind expecting them to learn Irish
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on October 27, 2011, 05:35:17 PM
The point I am making is that if this is a genuine attempt to use Irish to represent the Irish origins of the regiment then why not use the correct spelling.
This is a thread about the wearing of the Poppy.

In that context, I chose to quote the regimental motto of a famous Irish regiment. I quoted it exactly as they spell it, which is an anglicisation of what was originally an Irish-language phrase.

I guess I might have used the original* Irish spelling, but seeing as this debate is in English, I consider it much more appropariate to use the commonly accepted (English) spelling in use today.

And in any case, if Hardstation considers that my usage was at least not "incorrect", then I am obviously happy to defer to his judgement. You might be advised to do the same...   


* - By the way, was there a standardised system of spelling for Irish in 1811 (when the phrase was first used in the Battle of Barossa)? Does anyone know how Sgt. Masterson would have spelt it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faugh_A_Ballagh
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hardy on October 27, 2011, 07:15:51 PM
in 1811 ... the phrase was first used

I hardly think so.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Niall Quinn on October 27, 2011, 07:40:02 PM
in 1811 ... the phrase was first used

I hardly think so.

And I, Niall Quinn, concur.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on October 27, 2011, 08:41:31 PM
in 1811 ... the phrase was first used

I hardly think so.
OK, I shall indulge your pedantry.

"In 1798 the phrase was adopted by the 87th (Princess of Wales's Irish) Regiment of Foot as its Regimental Motto, becoming especially famous following an engagement by the 2nd Battalion in the Battle of Barossa in 1811. It was subsequently retained by several other Irish Regiments of the British Army until the present day, it being the motto of the Royal Irish Regiment"

Happy now? For if you are, perhaps you could tell me (Apples, actually) whether there was any official, standardised way of spelling in Irish in 1798?

P.S. Could you tell me which of the following is correct spelling in today's Irish, "Fág an Bealach" or "Fág a' Bealach"?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hardy on October 27, 2011, 08:47:51 PM
That's better. Don't disparage pedantry - we wouldn't be here on the internet without it.

Fág an bealach is how it's spelled today.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: hardstation on October 27, 2011, 08:57:04 PM
in 1811 ... the phrase was first used

I hardly think so.
OK, I shall indulge your pedantry.

"In 1798 the phrase was adopted by the 87th (Princess of Wales's Irish) Regiment of Foot as its Regimental Motto, becoming especially famous following an engagement by the 2nd Battalion in the Battle of Barossa in 1811. It was subsequently retained by several other Irish Regiments of the British Army until the present day, it being the motto of the Royal Irish Regiment"

Happy now? For if you are, perhaps you could tell me (Apples, actually) whether there was any official, standardised way of spelling in Irish in 1798?

P.S. Could you tell me which of the following is correct spelling in today's Irish, "Fág an Bealach" or "Fág a' Bealach"?
Fág an Bealach, strictly speaking but it would take a complete twat to pull you on that. I actually prefer the a' rather than the an.

There wouldn't have been an official, standardised way of spelling back then, I don't think.

Applesisapples, why not go up to Carey Faughs and tell them that they have it wrong? Just to point out again, btw, you have the wrong Irish spelling of Armagh on your profile.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 27, 2011, 09:02:14 PM
in 1811 ... the phrase was first used

I hardly think so.
OK, I shall indulge your pedantry.

"In 1798 the phrase was adopted by the 87th (Princess of Wales's Irish) Regiment of Foot as its Regimental Motto, becoming especially famous following an engagement by the 2nd Battalion in the Battle of Barossa in 1811. It was subsequently retained by several other Irish Regiments of the British Army until the present day, it being the motto of the Royal Irish Regiment"

Happy now? For if you are, perhaps you could tell me (Apples, actually) whether there was any official, standardised way of spelling in Irish in 1798?

P.S. Could you tell me which of the following is correct spelling in today's Irish, "Fág an Bealach" or "Fág a' Bealach"?
Fág an Bealach, strictly speaking but it would take a complete t**t to pull you on that. I actually prefer the a' rather than the an.

There wouldn't have been an official, standardised way of spelling back then, I don't think.

Applesisapples, why not go up to Carey Faughs and tell them that they have it wrong? Just to point out again, btw, you have the wrong Irish spelling of Armagh on your profile.

True hardstation, it's akin to Béal a' Mhuirthead/an Mhuirthead, Caislean an Bharraigh/ Caisleán a' Bharraigh.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 27, 2011, 09:25:52 PM
Saw one today on a person I was working with. Tried my best not to stare at the thing like it was a dingo that ate my baby. I have to say I really hate the things.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Rossfan on October 27, 2011, 09:26:47 PM
Jack o' clubs or jack of clubs.
There's official spelling and there's spelling the way it's said.
Of course there was a standardised spelling of Irish from the time we became Christianised ( 5th Century ) till we were enslaved and impoverished in the 17th ( by the forebears of the EGs of this world no doubt ).
There seemed to be a kind of stage Irishy way of phonetic English spelling of Irish words in the 19th Century e.g Graw machree , faugh a ballagh , asthoreen , etc which thankfully was ended when that great (Prod) Rosman brought our ancient language back to being a written language again.
As usual a Ros man to the rescue of Ireland in her hour of need. ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 27, 2011, 09:31:53 PM
thankfully was ended when that great (Prod) Rosman brought our ancient language back to being a written language again.
As usual a Ros man to the rescue of Ireland in her hour of need. ;)

Who was from just across the border from Ballaghadereen in County Mayo, in Frenchpark, County Roscommon.  ;)  :D  ;D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: hardstation on October 27, 2011, 09:35:26 PM
Jack o' clubs or jack of clubs.
There's official spelling and there's spelling the way it's said.
Of course there was a standardised spelling of Irish from the time we became Christianised ( 5th Century ) till we were enslaved and impoverished in the 17th ( by the forebears of the EGs of this world no doubt ).
There seemed to be a kind of stage Irishy way of phonetic English spelling of Irish words in the 19th Century e.g Graw machree , faugh a ballagh , asthoreen , etc which thankfully was ended when that great (Prod) Rosman brought our ancient language back to being a written language again.
As usual a Ros man to the rescue of Ireland in her hour of need. ;)
Really??
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 27, 2011, 09:36:03 PM
Jack o' clubs or jack of clubs.
There's official spelling and there's spelling the way it's said.
Of course there was a standardised spelling of Irish from the time we became Christianised ( 5th Century ) till we were enslaved and impoverished in the 17th ( by the forebears of the EGs of this world no doubt ).
There seemed to be a kind of stage Irishy way of phonetic English spelling of Irish words in the 19th Century e.g Graw machree , faugh a ballagh , asthoreen , etc which thankfully was ended when that great (Prod) Rosman brought our ancient language back to being a written language again.
As usual a Ros man to the rescue of Ireland in her hour of need. ;)
Really??

O'Really
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Rossfan on October 27, 2011, 10:19:13 PM
Ballaghadereen in County Mayo,
Stop living in the past y'eejit.
Ballagh has now spent 113 years in God's own special place and most of its residents ( except for the backward yahoos who run the GAA club) delight in the fact that their ancestors were rescued from the evil darkness .
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on October 27, 2011, 11:41:20 PM
Of course there was a standardised spelling of Irish from the time we became Christianised ( 5th Century ) till we were enslaved and impoverished in the 17th ( by the forebears of the EGs of this world no doubt ).
As Hardstation would say, "Really?" I think you're bluffing on this one...

And as for the enslavement and impovishment, are you trying to tell me that Ireland was entirely free of such afflictions between the 5th and 17th Centuries?

I mean to say, have you not heard of eg the Viking raiders from Iceland and Scandinavia or the Corsairs from the Barbary Coast? Do you think Ireland was immune to eg The Black Death*? Do you imagine that there were no raids on Ireland from eg Scotland, Wales or the Western Isles? Or that there weren't internal feuds and wars which led to slavery and impoverishment?

And in any case, if as a poor, put-upon Gael you're feeling especially downtrodden and oppressed by us nasty Planters, you might ask yourself this: Were the Celts really the first people to settle in Ireland and if not, how do you think they got on with the people already there before them?  ::)


* - Try reading this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/ashorthistory/archive/topic38.shtml
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armaghniac on October 28, 2011, 12:34:09 AM
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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on October 28, 2011, 09:01:05 AM
in 1811 ... the phrase was first used

I hardly think so.
OK, I shall indulge your pedantry.

"In 1798 the phrase was adopted by the 87Th (Princess of Wales's Irish) Regiment of Foot as its Regimental Motto, becoming especially famous following an engagement by the 2nd Battalion in the Battle of Barossa in 1811. It was subsequently retained by several other Irish Regiments of the British Army until the present day, it being the motto of the Royal Irish Regiment"

Happy now? For if you are, perhaps you could tell me (Apples, actually) whether there was any official, standardised way of spelling in Irish in 1798?

P.S. Could you tell me which of the following is correct spelling in today's Irish, "Fág an Bealach" or "Fág a' Bealach"?
Fág an Bealach, strictly speaking but it would take a complete t**t to pull you on that. I actually prefer the a' rather than the an.

There wouldn't have been an official, standardised way of spelling back then, I don't think.

Applesisapples, why not go up to Carey Faughs and tell them that they have it wrong? Just to point out again, btw, you have the wrong Irish spelling of Armagh on your profile.
Yes I've seen the debate on the spelling of Ard Mhaca before, but this is the accepted version as used by the team and County I support as goes also for Carey. Irrespective of the spelling the point I was really making was the Unionist Loyalist acceptance/obsession with the Irish motto of the RIR/UDR as opposed to their objection to an Irish Language Act which would strengthen and promote the language across all boundaries. And I suppose also EG's hypocrisy on the subject. Any way as he rightly pointed out this thread is really about another divisive symbol and so I digress. Pardon me please. Any way the debate is good and sure even Hardy and EG aren't always right so I'm in good c'pany! :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: hardstation on October 28, 2011, 09:58:06 AM
in 1811 ... the phrase was first used

I hardly think so.
OK, I shall indulge your pedantry.

"In 1798 the phrase was adopted by the 87Th (Princess of Wales's Irish) Regiment of Foot as its Regimental Motto, becoming especially famous following an engagement by the 2nd Battalion in the Battle of Barossa in 1811. It was subsequently retained by several other Irish Regiments of the British Army until the present day, it being the motto of the Royal Irish Regiment"

Happy now? For if you are, perhaps you could tell me (Apples, actually) whether there was any official, standardised way of spelling in Irish in 1798?

P.S. Could you tell me which of the following is correct spelling in today's Irish, "Fág an Bealach" or "Fág a' Bealach"?
Fág an Bealach, strictly speaking but it would take a complete t**t to pull you on that. I actually prefer the a' rather than the an.

There wouldn't have been an official, standardised way of spelling back then, I don't think.

Applesisapples, why not go up to Carey Faughs and tell them that they have it wrong? Just to point out again, btw, you have the wrong Irish spelling of Armagh on your profile.
Yes I've seen the debate on the spelling of Ard Mhaca before, but this is the accepted version as used by the team and County I support as goes also for Carey. Irrespective of the spelling the point I was really making was the Unionist Loyalist acceptance/obsession with the Irish motto of the RIR/UDR as opposed to their objection to an Irish Language Act which would strengthen and promote the language across all boundaries. And I suppose also EG's hypocrisy on the subject. Any way as he rightly pointed out this thread is really about another divisive symbol and so I digress. Pardon me please. Any way the debate is good and sure even Hardy and EG aren't always right so I'm in good c'pany! :D
No it fcukin isn't, ya lunatic. They use Ard Mhacha, not Ard Mhaca!!!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on October 28, 2011, 10:13:37 AM
in 1811 ... the phrase was first used

I hardly think so.
OK, I shall indulge your pedantry.

"In 1798 the phrase was adopted by the 87Th (Princess of Wales's Irish) Regiment of Foot as its Regimental Motto, becoming especially famous following an engagement by the 2nd Battalion in the Battle of Barossa in 1811. It was subsequently retained by several other Irish Regiments of the British Army until the present day, it being the motto of the Royal Irish Regiment"

Happy now? For if you are, perhaps you could tell me (Apples, actually) whether there was any official, standardised way of spelling in Irish in 1798?

P.S. Could you tell me which of the following is correct spelling in today's Irish, "Fág an Bealach" or "Fág a' Bealach"?
Fág an Bealach, strictly speaking but it would take a complete t**t to pull you on that. I actually prefer the a' rather than the an.

There wouldn't have been an official, standardised way of spelling back then, I don't think.

Applesisapples, why not go up to Carey Faughs and tell them that they have it wrong? Just to point out again, btw, you have the wrong Irish spelling of Armagh on your profile.
Yes I've seen the debate on the spelling of Ard Mhaca before, but this is the accepted version as used by the team and County I support as goes also for Carey. Irrespective of the spelling the point I was really making was the Unionist Loyalist acceptance/obsession with the Irish motto of the RIR/UDR as opposed to their objection to an Irish Language Act which would strengthen and promote the language across all boundaries. And I suppose also EG's hypocrisy on the subject. Any way as he rightly pointed out this thread is really about another divisive symbol and so I digress. Pardon me please. Any way the debate is good and sure even Hardy and EG aren't always right so I'm in good c'pany! :D
No it fcukin isn't, ya lunatic. They use Ard Mhacha, not Ard Mhaca!!!
oops, typo.Egg running down face as we speak... :D :D :D
Now fixed.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Rossfan on October 28, 2011, 12:16:55 PM
Of course there was a standardised spelling of Irish from the time we became Christianised ( 5th Century ) till we were enslaved and impoverished in the 17th ( by the forebears of the EGs of this world no doubt ).
As Hardstation would say, "Really?" I think you're bluffing on this one...

I think you and that other buck will find that the learned classes that gave us the Book of Kells , Annals of the 4 Masters , Annals of Loch Cé etc etc would all have learned to spell the same way  ;).
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Minder on October 29, 2011, 04:57:58 PM
A complaint by a Poundland employee in Lisburn has led to the company changing its policy over the wearing of poppies.

BBC


The woman walked out of the store in Bow Street Mall after she was asked to remove the poppy from her uniform as it was against company's dress policy.
Poundland said after listening to customer and staff feedback it had reviewed its UK policy.
The company apologised for any unintended offence caused.
"We have for some years operated a clear and simple dress code that store colleagues are requested to observe," said Jim McCarthy, Poundland's chief executive.
"The policy was designed to prevent issues arising that for whatever reason could upset individuals or communities and to focus our energy on raising money for colleague-nominated charities.
"On 28 October a situation in Northern Ireland was brought to the company's attention where a store colleague was politely asked to remove a poppy by our store manager in order to comply with company policy.
Staff discretion
"The store colleague decided to walk out and stated that she would return on Monday next wearing her poppy."
Mr McCarthy said the company had decided in the case of the poppy appeal to allow store colleagues to use their own discretion in wearing poppies.
"This change in policy is consistent with recent reviews of policy made by other leading high street retailers," he added.
Lagan Valley DUP MLA Paul Givan has welcomed the decision by Poundland to allow members of staff to wear poppies on their uniform.
"I was shocked and angered that my constituent, a member of staff in Poundland, Lisburn, had been treated in this manner by the company," he said.
"My constituent, who came to me for help, wears a poppy annually to commemorate the many servicemen who paid the ultimate sacrifice during various conflicts over the last century but, in particular, her own family members that served in Northern Ireland's security forces.
"Poundland by their absurd political correctness caused deep offence and politicised an emblem that is universally regarded as a symbol of remembrance and they failed to take into account clear guidance by the Equality Commission that the poppy is not regarded as an emblem that is contentious.
"Poundland seriously underestimated the hurt caused to their employee and the wider community."
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 29, 2011, 05:00:28 PM
A complaint by a Poundland employee in Lisburn has led to the company changing its policy over the wearing of poppies.

BBC


The woman walked out of the store in Bow Street Mall after she was asked to remove the poppy from her uniform as it was against company's dress policy.
Poundland said after listening to customer and staff feedback it had reviewed its UK policy.
The company apologised for any unintended offence caused.
"We have for some years operated a clear and simple dress code that store colleagues are requested to observe," said Jim McCarthy, Poundland's chief executive.
"The policy was designed to prevent issues arising that for whatever reason could upset individuals or communities and to focus our energy on raising money for colleague-nominated charities.
"On 28 October a situation in Northern Ireland was brought to the company's attention where a store colleague was politely asked to remove a poppy by our store manager in order to comply with company policy.
Staff discretion
"The store colleague decided to walk out and stated that she would return on Monday next wearing her poppy."
Mr McCarthy said the company had decided in the case of the poppy appeal to allow store colleagues to use their own discretion in wearing poppies.
"This change in policy is consistent with recent reviews of policy made by other leading high street retailers," he added.
Lagan Valley DUP MLA Paul Givan has welcomed the decision by Poundland to allow members of staff to wear poppies on their uniform.
"I was shocked and angered that my constituent, a member of staff in Poundland, Lisburn, had been treated in this manner by the company," he said.
"My constituent, who came to me for help, wears a poppy annually to commemorate the many servicemen who paid the ultimate sacrifice during various conflicts over the last century but, in particular, her own family members that served in Northern Ireland's security forces.
"Poundland by their absurd political correctness caused deep offence and politicised an emblem that is universally regarded as a symbol of remembrance and they failed to take into account clear guidance by the Equality Commission that the poppy is not regarded as an emblem that is contentious.
"Poundland seriously underestimated the hurt caused to their employee and the wider community."

Wasn't there a similar story in Asda a few years ago in relation to people wearing GAA jersies.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: fitzroyalty on October 29, 2011, 05:39:41 PM
I don't mind people wearing poppies but people who take a hissyfit because they can't wear it to work is a joke.

Well for some that they can walk out of a shift to go and gurn to the local DUP who in turn runs with a root on to the media to ganch about the "great offence" caused. Shows were this person's priorities lie. Commemerate my hole.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: The Worker on October 29, 2011, 06:15:57 PM
I don't mind people wearing poppies but people who take a hissyfit because they can't wear it to work is a joke.

Well for some that they can walk out of a shift to go and gurn to the local DUP who in turn runs with a root on to the media to ganch about the "great offence" caused. Shows were this person's priorities lie. Commemerate my hole.

I concur. They are lucky to have a job in this current climate.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: JUst retired on October 30, 2011, 07:03:56 AM
MGHU, the Asda problem was different. It was because kids were wearing GAA jersey`s in a fund raiseing effort to get funds for their club. A lot of Poppy wearer`s in this part of the world wear them as a badge of some kind of loyalty or show of their percieved loyalty. Or " up yours"  mentality. :(
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on October 30, 2011, 09:21:20 PM
MGHU, the Asda problem was different. It was because kids were wearing GAA jersey`s in a fund raiseing effort to get funds for their club. A lot of Poppy wearer`s in this part of the world wear them as a badge of some kind of loyalty or show of their percieved loyalty. Or " up yours"  mentality. :(
Actually it was Tesco in Antrim. Bizzarely the Antrim GAA Club has Protestant's playing for it.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: turk on October 30, 2011, 09:40:39 PM
Of course there was a standardised spelling of Irish from the time we became Christianised ( 5th Century ) till we were enslaved and impoverished in the 17th ( by the forebears of the EGs of this world no doubt ).
As Hardstation would say, "Really?" I think you're bluffing on this one...

I think you and that other buck will find that the learned classes that gave us the Book of Kells , Annals of the 4 Masters , Annals of Loch Cé etc etc would all have learned to spell the same way  ;).

The Book of Kells is in Latin, so the standards body that dealt with spelling for these learned classes must have messed up there somewhere on the way.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 30, 2011, 09:59:37 PM
MGHU, the Asda problem was different. It was because kids were wearing GAA jersey`s in a fund raiseing effort to get funds for their club. A lot of Poppy wearer`s in this part of the world wear them as a badge of some kind of loyalty or show of their percieved loyalty. Or " up yours"  mentality. :(
Actually it was Tesco in Antrim. Bizzarely the Antrim GAA Club has Protestant's playing for it.
Do mean "ironically" or do you mean bizarrely?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on October 31, 2011, 09:44:21 AM
MGHU, the Asda problem was different. It was because kids were wearing GAA jersey`s in a fund raiseing effort to get funds for their club. A lot of Poppy wearer`s in this part of the world wear them as a badge of some kind of loyalty or show of their percieved loyalty. Or " up yours"  mentality. :(
Actually it was Tesco in Antrim. Bizzarely the Antrim GAA Club has Protestant's playing for it.
Do mean "ironically" or do you mean bizarrely?
I mean the protesters were bizarre.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on October 31, 2011, 03:50:40 PM
Of course there was a standardised spelling of Irish from the time we became Christianised ( 5th Century ) till we were enslaved and impoverished in the 17th ( by the forebears of the EGs of this world no doubt ).
As Hardstation would say, "Really?" I think you're bluffing on this one...

I think you and that other buck will find that the learned classes that gave us the Book of Kells , Annals of the 4 Masters , Annals of Loch Cé etc etc would all have learned to spell the same way  ;).

The Book of Kells is in Latin, so the standards body that dealt with spelling for these learned classes must have messed up there somewhere on the way.
Beat me to it, Turk!  :D

As for other examples of Irish Literature, it was originally claimed by Rossfan that there was a single, standardised system of spelling and writing Irish from the 5th to the 17th* Centuries. This, of course, is complete balls, too. In fact, the system of spelling and writing Irish changed and evolved constantly during this period:

"It is usual to divide Irish, as we find it written, into three stages: I. Old Irish, from the eighth to the twelfth century. This is the language of the Irish found in the Book of Armagh, and of some few passages in the Book of the Dun Cow. II. Middle Irish, from the twelfth to the fifteenth century, marked by many departures from the pure Old Irish forms. This is the language of most of our important manuscripts...    ... such as the Book of the Dun Cow, the Book of Leinster, the Lebar Brecc, and the Book of Ballymote. III. Modern Irish, from the fifteenth century to the present day."
http://oracleireland.com/books/joyce-pw-001htm.htm

In fact, I think I'm correct in saying that even widely spoken languages such as French, Spanish and English, only developed standardised systems of writing and spelling comparatively recently (18th Century onwards?), as centralised government, advanced communications and universal education etc took hold.


* - When those big, bad Planters somehow hypnotised the Gaels into forgetting how to spell properly...  ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hardy on October 31, 2011, 04:23:31 PM
Yes, but

"what is quite remarkable about late medieval* Gaelic is that there had long evolved a standard literary form, classical common Gaelic (usually described in Ireland as ‘classical modern Irish’), which was written … by the Gaelic learned classes throughout the Gaelic world and was maintained by schools of native learning established in Ireland and Scotland.

"… anything written in Gaelic was in this standard literary form, which was very much a scholarly language with a long tradition of writing on such topics as theology and medicine."


A View of the Irish Language: Language and History in Ireland from the Middle Ages to the Present
- Steven G. Ellis, National University of Ireland, Galway

(* The context of the piece puts this as having been the case by 1400 - i.e. by that time there had "long" been a standard literary form.)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: dec on October 31, 2011, 07:58:39 PM
http://www.stm.unipi.it/programmasocrates/cliohnet/books/language2/06_Ellis.pdf

Turning to the fortunes of the language, in 1400 Gaelic was spoken throughout most of Ireland, Scotland, and the Isle of Man, with the exception of the Scottish lowlands and small parts of eastern and southern Ireland.
What is quite remarkable about late medieval Gaelic is that there had long evolved a standard literary form, classical common Gaelic (usually described in Ireland as ‘classical modern Irish’), which was written (and presumably spoken) by the Gaelic learned classes throughout the Gaelic world and was maintained by schools of native learning established in Ireland and Scotland. Presumably, the peasantry must have spoken different dialects, but anything written in Gaelic was in this standard literary form, which was very much a scholarly language with a long tradition of writing on such topics as theology and medicine.
Although Gaelic was denigrated by English and Scots princes as a barbarous language spoken by savages, the reality was that Gaelic in 1400 was far more of a literary language than English or Scots. In both Ireland and Scotland, moreover, the language was, if anything, gaining ground as a result of the impact of the Gaelic Revival. It was only as a result of two major developments in the 16th century that the status of Gaelic went into long-term decline.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Rossfan on October 31, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
http://www.stm.unipi.it/programmasocrates/cliohnet/books/language2/06_Ellis.pdf

Turning to the fortunes of the language, in 1400 Gaelic was spoken throughout most of Ireland, Scotland, and the Isle of Man, with the exception of the Scottish lowlands and small parts of eastern and southern Ireland.
What is quite remarkable about late medieval Gaelic is that there had long evolved a standard literary form, classical common Gaelic (usually described in Ireland as ‘classical modern Irish’), which was written (and presumably spoken) by the Gaelic learned classes throughout the Gaelic world and was maintained by schools of native learning established in Ireland and Scotland. Presumably, the peasantry must have spoken different dialects, but anything written in Gaelic was in this standard literary form, which was very much a scholarly language with a long tradition of writing on such topics as theology and medicine.
Although Gaelic was denigrated by English and Scots princes as a barbarous language spoken by savages, the reality was that Gaelic in 1400 was far more of a literary language than English or Scots. In both Ireland and Scotland, moreover, the language was, if anything, gaining ground as a result of the impact of the Gaelic Revival. It was only as a result of two major developments in the 16th century that the status of Gaelic went into long-term decline.

I couldnt have rebutted Evil Balls better myself.

Of course he stll won't admit we were a learned civilised nation before the robbing murderous b**tards from the next island came over and stole all our land etcetc ... or did that not happen either ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 31, 2011, 09:24:13 PM
http://www.stm.unipi.it/programmasocrates/cliohnet/books/language2/06_Ellis.pdf

Turning to the fortunes of the language, in 1400 Gaelic was spoken throughout most of Ireland, Scotland, and the Isle of Man, with the exception of the Scottish lowlands and small parts of eastern and southern Ireland.
What is quite remarkable about late medieval Gaelic is that there had long evolved a standard literary form, classical common Gaelic (usually described in Ireland as ‘classical modern Irish’), which was written (and presumably spoken) by the Gaelic learned classes throughout the Gaelic world and was maintained by schools of native learning established in Ireland and Scotland. Presumably, the peasantry must have spoken different dialects, but anything written in Gaelic was in this standard literary form, which was very much a scholarly language with a long tradition of writing on such topics as theology and medicine.
Although Gaelic was denigrated by English and Scots princes as a barbarous language spoken by savages, the reality was that Gaelic in 1400 was far more of a literary language than English or Scots. In both Ireland and Scotland, moreover, the language was, if anything, gaining ground as a result of the impact of the Gaelic Revival. It was only as a result of two major developments in the 16th century that the status of Gaelic went into long-term decline.

I couldnt have rebutted Evil Balls better myself.

Of course he stll won't admit we were a learned civilised nation before the robbing murderous b**tards from the next island came over and stole all our land etcetc ... or did that not happen either ;)

Word, brotha.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: stew on October 31, 2011, 10:07:31 PM
http://www.stm.unipi.it/programmasocrates/cliohnet/books/language2/06_Ellis.pdf

Turning to the fortunes of the language, in 1400 Gaelic was spoken throughout most of Ireland, Scotland, and the Isle of Man, with the exception of the Scottish lowlands and small parts of eastern and southern Ireland.
What is quite remarkable about late medieval Gaelic is that there had long evolved a standard literary form, classical common Gaelic (usually described in Ireland as ‘classical modern Irish’), which was written (and presumably spoken) by the Gaelic learned classes throughout the Gaelic world and was maintained by schools of native learning established in Ireland and Scotland. Presumably, the peasantry must have spoken different dialects, but anything written in Gaelic was in this standard literary form, which was very much a scholarly language with a long tradition of writing on such topics as theology and medicine.
Although Gaelic was denigrated by English and Scots princes as a barbarous language spoken by savages, the reality was that Gaelic in 1400 was far more of a literary language than English or Scots. In both Ireland and Scotland, moreover, the language was, if anything, gaining ground as a result of the impact of the Gaelic Revival. It was only as a result of two major developments in the 16th century that the status of Gaelic went into long-term decline.

I couldnt have rebutted Evil Balls better myself.

Of course he stll won't admit we were a learned civilised nation before the robbing murderous b**tards from the next island came over and stole all our land etcetc ... or did that not happen either ;)


 :D :D :D

Brilliant, he also lets the aul hatred show at certain times of the year more than others, this being one of them.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Denn Forever on October 31, 2011, 10:20:02 PM
[quote]* - When those big, bad Planters somehow hypnotised the Gaels into forgetting how to spell properly...  [/quote]

I'm confused.  What did EG say that had to be rebutted? 
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hardy on October 31, 2011, 11:37:15 PM
http://www.stm.unipi.it/programmasocrates/cliohnet/books/language2/06_Ellis.pdf

Turning to the fortunes of the language, in 1400 Gaelic was spoken throughout most of Ireland, Scotland, and the Isle of Man, with the exception of the Scottish lowlands and small parts of eastern and southern Ireland.
What is quite remarkable about late medieval Gaelic is that there had long evolved a standard literary form, classical common Gaelic (usually described in Ireland as ‘classical modern Irish’), which was written (and presumably spoken) by the Gaelic learned classes throughout the Gaelic world and was maintained by schools of native learning established in Ireland and Scotland. Presumably, the peasantry must have spoken different dialects, but anything written in Gaelic was in this standard literary form, which was very much a scholarly language with a long tradition of writing on such topics as theology and medicine.
Although Gaelic was denigrated by English and Scots princes as a barbarous language spoken by savages, the reality was that Gaelic in 1400 was far more of a literary language than English or Scots. In both Ireland and Scotland, moreover, the language was, if anything, gaining ground as a result of the impact of the Gaelic Revival. It was only as a result of two major developments in the 16th century that the status of Gaelic went into long-term decline.

Ahem ...
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: dec on November 01, 2011, 01:59:43 AM
http://www.stm.unipi.it/programmasocrates/cliohnet/books/language2/06_Ellis.pdf

Turning to the fortunes of the language, in 1400 Gaelic was spoken throughout most of Ireland, Scotland, and the Isle of Man, with the exception of the Scottish lowlands and small parts of eastern and southern Ireland.
What is quite remarkable about late medieval Gaelic is that there had long evolved a standard literary form, classical common Gaelic (usually described in Ireland as ‘classical modern Irish’), which was written (and presumably spoken) by the Gaelic learned classes throughout the Gaelic world and was maintained by schools of native learning established in Ireland and Scotland. Presumably, the peasantry must have spoken different dialects, but anything written in Gaelic was in this standard literary form, which was very much a scholarly language with a long tradition of writing on such topics as theology and medicine.
Although Gaelic was denigrated by English and Scots princes as a barbarous language spoken by savages, the reality was that Gaelic in 1400 was far more of a literary language than English or Scots. In both Ireland and Scotland, moreover, the language was, if anything, gaining ground as a result of the impact of the Gaelic Revival. It was only as a result of two major developments in the 16th century that the status of Gaelic went into long-term decline.

Ahem ...

I know, I was just providing a link to the whole article.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hardy on November 01, 2011, 10:59:13 AM
Sorry.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 01, 2011, 06:11:53 PM
Yes, but

"what is quite remarkable about late medieval* Gaelic is that there had long evolved a standard literary form, classical common Gaelic (usually described in Ireland as ‘classical modern Irish’), which was written … by the Gaelic learned classes throughout the Gaelic world and was maintained by schools of native learning established in Ireland and Scotland.

"… anything written in Gaelic was in this standard literary form, which was very much a scholarly language with a long tradition of writing on such topics as theology and medicine."


A View of the Irish Language: Language and History in Ireland from the Middle Ages to the Present
- Steven G. Ellis, National University of Ireland, Galway

(* The context of the piece puts this as having been the case by 1400 - i.e. by that time there had "long" been a standard literary form.)
Now if I were the suspicious type, Hardy, I'd say you were being a little disingenuous in not providing a link, so we could judge the "context of the piece" for ourselves.

But I'm not, so I won't.  ;)

Anyhow, nothing you or anyone else has posted contradicts or refutes anything I've posted.

For this dispute originated when I used the term "Faugh a Ballagh" and was informed by Apples that this was "incorrect". Of course this was nonsense, since as the recognised Anglicisation, not only was it not "incorrect", but it was entirely appropriate for a debate in English (as well as being the version used by the RIR).

Further, when I was informed that I should be using an Irish spelling and I questioned whether there was a standardised form of written Irish in 1798 (when Faugh a Ballagh was adopted), the responses pretty much proved that there was not (see Hardstation's posts etc).

At which point, 'Rossfan' tried to assert the following:
"Of course there was a standardised spelling of Irish from the time we became Christianised ( 5th Century ) till we were enslaved and impoverished in the 17th".

My instinctive reaction to this was to term it "balls", causing you and 'dec' to cite an extract from the Ellis piece. Yet a rudimentary google confirms my belief that 'Rossfan's 5th - 17th C claim is, indeed, balls, as follows.

It is not in dispute that there was a long period from around the 14th to 17th Century (sometimes known as the "Classical Irish" period) when the language has a scholarly standardised written form. This is the period to which Ellis refers when he deems it "long established [by 1400]".

Whether this standardised period stretched back as far as the Middle Irish period (12-14th Century?) is not so clear and is not specifically claimed to have done by Ellis.

In any case, it most certainly did not stretch back as far as the Old Irish period prior, since Irish used the Latin alphabet during that time.

And as for the earliest period of Rossfan's claimed unbroken line (5th, 6th, 7th Century?) such written Irish as remains was written in Ogham script.

So "Balls" it most certainly was; then again, what else would one expect from someone who cites the Book of Kells as a template for Irish spelling?  :D

P.S. Rossfan might also be wise not to berate me for using an Anglicisation, for when he himself refers to "Na Ceithre Máistrí"  as "The Annals of the Four Masters", he may be guilty of the same grievous offence himself! (Any ideas, Hardstation?)     

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 01, 2011, 06:19:20 PM
Hate the sight of these poppies, and soon it will be the sectarian Guy Fawkes Day  >:(
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hardy on November 01, 2011, 06:25:06 PM
Yes, but

"what is quite remarkable about late medieval* Gaelic is that there had long evolved a standard literary form, classical common Gaelic (usually described in Ireland as ‘classical modern Irish’), which was written … by the Gaelic learned classes throughout the Gaelic world and was maintained by schools of native learning established in Ireland and Scotland.

"… anything written in Gaelic was in this standard literary form, which was very much a scholarly language with a long tradition of writing on such topics as theology and medicine."


A View of the Irish Language: Language and History in Ireland from the Middle Ages to the Present
- Steven G. Ellis, National University of Ireland, Galway

(* The context of the piece puts this as having been the case by 1400 - i.e. by that time there had "long" been a standard literary form.)
Now if I were the suspicious type, Hardy, I'd say you were being a little disingenuous in not providing a link, so we could judge the "context of the piece" for ourselves.

But I'm not, so I won't.  ;)

Anyhow, nothing you or anyone else has posted contradicts or refutes anything I've posted.

For this dispute originated when I used the term "Faugh a Ballagh" and was informed by Apples that this was "incorrect". Of course this was nonsense, since as the recognised Anglicisation, not only was it not "incorrect", but it was entirely appropriate for a debate in English (as well as being the version used by the RIR).

Further, when I was informed that I should be using an Irish spelling and I questioned whether there was a standardised form of written Irish in 1798 (when Faugh a Ballagh was adopted), the responses pretty much proved that there was not (see Hardstation's posts etc).

At which point, 'Rossfan' tried to assert the following:
"Of course there was a standardised spelling of Irish from the time we became Christianised ( 5th Century ) till we were enslaved and impoverished in the 17th".

My instinctive reaction to this was to term it "balls", causing you and 'dec' to cite an extract from the Ellis piece. Yet a rudimentary google confirms my belief that 'Rossfan's 5th - 17th C claim is, indeed, balls, as follows.

It is not in dispute that there was a long period from around the 14th to 17th Century (sometimes known as the "Classical Irish" period) when the language has a scholarly standardised written form. This is the period to which Ellis refers when he deems it "long established [by 1400]".

Whether this standardised period stretched back as far as the Middle Irish period (12-14th Century?) is not so clear and is not specifically claimed to have done by Ellis.

In any case, it most certainly did not stretch back as far as the Old Irish period prior, since Irish used the Latin alphabet during that time.

And as for the earliest period of Rossfan's claimed unbroken line (5th, 6th, 7th Century?) such written Irish as remains was written in Ogham script.

So "Balls" it most certainly was; then again, what else would one expect from someone who cites the Book of Kells as a template for Irish spelling?  :D

P.S. Rossfan might also be wise not to berate me for using an Anglicisation, for when he himself refers to "Na Ceithre Máistrí"  as "The Annals of the Four Masters", he may be guilty of the same grievous offence himself! (Any ideas, Hardstation?)     



I wasn't trying to refute anything, much less trying to hide context. I was simply adding what I thought was illumination for people participating in the discussion, including yourself, because I took their participation as an indication of interest in the subject.

I thought you'd find it interesting, since you were discussing the relatively recent development of standard forms of English and French, to learn that classical modern Irish had a standard literary form that was already long established by 1400. That's all. I didn't claim or suggest that it went back to the 5th century or anything else, so I don't see the need for you to refute something that wasn't claimed or suggested and I don't understand why it's important for you to establish this.

To repeat - classical modern Irish had a standard literary form that was already long established by 1400. I find that fascinating.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armaghniac on November 01, 2011, 06:43:24 PM
The British vandals broke up monasteries and the like and inhibited the circulation of scholars, ensuring the balkanisation of Gaelic.

The people who lost out most in this  balkanisation were the Manx who lost their spelling and who had a pseudo Welsh orthography  applied to their language which disguises that it is Gaelic.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 01, 2011, 06:52:32 PM
I wasn't trying to refute anything, much less trying to hide context. I was simply adding what I thought was illumination for people participating in the discussion, including yourself, because I took their participation as an indication of interest in the subject.
I guess I must be the suspicious type then, after all...

I thought you'd find it interesting, since you were discussing the relatively recent development of standard forms of English and French, to learn that classical modern Irish had a standard literary form that was already long established by 1400. That's all.
Hmmm.
When, in response to the claim that something dated "from the 5th to the 17th Century", someone else points out that it was "long-established by 1400 etc", that certainly leaves open the possibility that the original claim is correct.
Therefore why didn't you post "that it was long-established by 1400, but I don't know whether as far back as 400" (or somesuch)?

I didn't claim or suggest that it went back to the 5th century or anything else, so I don't see the need for you to refute something that wasn't claimed or suggested and I don't understand why it's important for you to establish this.
Rossfan made a claim that was patently balls, but you didn't take him up on it. Whereas you felt moved to "clarify" (shall we say?) my post, even though it was not incorrect?

I think that says more about you than me...
To repeat - classical modern Irish had a standard literary form that was already long established by 1400. I find that fascinating.
Me too.

Mind you, if someone told me that it actually went back, unbroken, to the 5th Century, I wouldn't just be fascinated, I'd be astonished.

Indeed, nearly as astonished as being "corrected" on the topic by someone like 'Rossfan', who believes that the Book of Kells, Ireland's most famous literary work, was written in Irish... ::)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Forever Green on November 01, 2011, 06:54:54 PM
You spout some shite
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: stew on November 01, 2011, 07:02:44 PM
Can Fearon expect a poppy wearing McAfee to "just happen be in the area" and for him to stop in for a friendly wee chat during poppy wearing season?

Sad bastids all.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 01, 2011, 07:09:04 PM
The British vandals broke up monasteries and the like and inhibited the circulation of scholars, ensuring the balkanisation of Gaelic.
I think you'll find The Vandals were busy breaking up Monastries elsewhere, and rather earlier. Earlier, even, than eg the Vikings.

As for the 17th Century British colonists, I think you'll find that many of them had refined their Monastry-breaking skills, both in Ireland and at home, nearly a Century earlier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Monasteries
So maybe it wan't personal after all?

In any case, it explains why 'Apples', too, was talking balls when he implied there was still a single, standardised system of spelling Irish by the beginning of the 19th Century.

"Clear The Way!"  ;)

The people who lost out most in this  balkanisation were the Manx who lost their spelling and who had a pseudo Welsh orthography  applied to their language which disguises that it is Gaelic.
Indeed.

Oh for a Manx Republican Army, to right (write?) the wrongs of 800 years of oppresshun etc... :o
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hardy on November 01, 2011, 07:14:30 PM
you felt moved to "clarify" (shall we say?) my post, even though it was not incorrect?

I think that says more about you than me...

WTF???

I wasn't clarifying your post. I was adding an item of information.

What do you think you've learned about me from that?

Wait - I don't care.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armaghniac on November 01, 2011, 09:14:53 PM
E.G. perhaps you had better acquaint yourself with the English language and spend less time gloating over the damage done to Gaelic by your ancestors.

van·dal    [van-dl]
noun
1. (initial capital letter) a member of a Germanic people who in the 5th century a.d. ravaged Gaul and Spain, settled in Africa, and in a.d. 455 sacked Rome.
2. a person who willfully or ignorantly destroys or mars something beautiful or valuable.


As I did not use a capital letter I meant the second meaning.

But now that you mention it, the Vandals were a Germanic tribe of barbarian wreckers, a description that also fits their Anglo-Saxon cousins' actions in Ireland.

Quote from: Evil Genius
As for the 17th Century British colonists, I think you'll find that many of them had refined their Monastry-breaking skills, both in Ireland and at home, nearly a Century earlier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Monasteries
So maybe it wan't personal after all?

Dissolving monasteries in your own country is one thing, invading the neighbours and dissolving their's is somewhat personal.

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 01, 2011, 09:31:21 PM
E.G. perhaps you had better acquaint yourself with the English language and spend less time gloating over the damage done to Gaelic by your ancestors.

van·dal    [van-dl]
noun
1. (initial capital letter) a member of a Germanic people who in the 5th century a.d. ravaged Gaul and Spain, settled in Africa, and in a.d. 455 sacked Rome.
2. a person who willfully or ignorantly destroys or mars something beautiful or valuable.


As I did not use a capital letter I meant the second meaning.

But now that you mention it, the Vandals were a Germanic tribe of barbarian wreckers, a description that also fits their Anglo-Saxon cousins' actions in Ireland.

Quote from: Evil Genius
As for the 17th Century British colonists, I think you'll find that many of them had refined their Monastry-breaking skills, both in Ireland and at home, nearly a Century earlier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Monasteries
So maybe it wan't personal after all?

Dissolving monasteries in your own country is one thing, invading the neighbours and dissolving their's is somewhat personal.

The Vandals were actually misrepresented by the Romans for destroying Carthage (hence the propeganda of the use of the word vandalism), which they did not, they took it off the Romans. However when the Romans took Carthage off the Carthaginian, they in fact are the ones who destroyed or vandalised it.

You should actually read the history not the Roman propeganda.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Rossfan on November 01, 2011, 09:39:40 PM
Of course there was a standardised spelling of Irish from the time we became Christianised ( 5th Century ) till we were enslaved and impoverished in the 17th ( by the forebears of the EGs of this world no doubt ).
As Hardstation would say, "Really?" I think you're bluffing on this one...

I think you and that other buck will find that the learned classes that gave us the Book of Kells , Annals of the 4 Masters , Annals of Loch Cé etc etc would all have learned to spell the same way  ;).

Where do I say  that the Book of Kells was written in Irish. ;) :P :-*

A lot of Ballls written by th'Evil one methinks

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: hardstation on November 01, 2011, 09:43:44 PM
Jaysus, this went mad. I still have to agree with EG. It was, imo, Rossfan who made the false claim, not EG. Although some info was added about a standard literary form in the Bardic tradition, it is irrelevant.

I also feel that the Irish bards were just a bunch of ball licking cnuts who feathered their own nest for an easy life. I mean, they wrote wee poems for their master and got to share his bed. FFS.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2011, 12:21:21 AM
Of course there was a standardised spelling of Irish from the time we became Christianised ( 5th Century ) till we were enslaved and impoverished in the 17th ( by the forebears of the EGs of this world no doubt ).
As Hardstation would say, "Really?" I think you're bluffing on this one...

I think you and that other buck will find that the learned classes that gave us the Book of Kells , Annals of the 4 Masters , Annals of Loch Cé etc etc would all have learned to spell the same way  ;).

Where do I say  that the Book of Kells was written in Irish. ;) :P :-*

A lot of Ballls written by th'Evil one methinks
When someone states:
"Of course there was a standardised spelling of Irish from the time we became Christianised ( 5th Century ) till we were enslaved and impoverished in the 17th"
 and then, when called on it, replies:
"I think you and that other buck will find that the learned classes that gave us the Book of Kells , Annals of the 4 Masters , Annals of Loch Cé etc etc would all have learned to spell the same way",
the inference is clear and unmistakeable: he (you) hadn't realised it was in Latin.  :D

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Forever Green on November 02, 2011, 12:22:49 AM
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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2011, 12:24:43 AM
Jaysus, this went mad. I still have to agree with EG. It was, imo, Rossfan who made the false claim, not EG. Although some info was added about a standard literary form in the Bardic tradition, it is irrelevant.

I also feel that the Irish bards were just a bunch of ball licking cnuts who feathered their own nest for an easy life. I mean, they wrote wee poems for their master and got to share his bed. FFS.
Well that (bold) may be one Irish tradition which has passed unbroken and unaltered from ancient times... ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armaghniac on November 02, 2011, 12:38:54 AM
Feathering ones own nest is long tradition. On the moral front it sure beats the cuckoo style occupation of other people's nests.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2011, 12:46:01 AM
Feathering ones own nest is long tradition. On the moral front it sure beats the cuckoo style occupation of other people's nests.
And were the Gaels the first birds to nest in Ireland, then?  ::)

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armaghniac on November 02, 2011, 12:52:26 AM
Quote
And were the Gaels the first birds to nest in Ireland, then?  ::)

Typical Brit, ignorant of Irish history.  ::)

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2011, 12:57:59 AM
Quote
And were the Gaels the first birds to nest in Ireland, then?  ::)

Typical Brit, ignorant of Irish history.  ::)
Is that an answer?  ???

Anyhow...

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Forever Green on November 02, 2011, 01:09:48 AM
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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armaghniac on November 02, 2011, 01:10:51 AM
"Shit Happens - Get over it"

This from a hypocrite who was giving out about Martin McGuinness.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2011, 02:14:22 PM
"Shit Happens - Get over it"

This from a hypocrite who was giving out about Martin McGuinness.
No hypocrisy on my part whatever.

My "Shit Happens" post was in response to your bringing up events of 400 years ago.

Whereas the activities of the likes of Martin McGuinness directly impinge upon all of our day-to-day lives.

I have been ever consistent in my stance that whilst we should not ignore History, neither should we be bound by it. In particular, we should not use the good deeds or achievements of our ancestors to excuse or mitigate our own misdeeds, or fail to acknowledge the good works of someone just because his/her distant ancestors may have been rogues.

So if you want to invoke Bloody Sunday, or I Bloody Friday, in furtherance of some point, then that is entirely legitimate (imo).

But if you are going to insist upon bringing up events from the long distant past like The Plantation of 1608, when we are meant to be debating Current Affairs*, then my response will continue to be "Shit Happens - Get Over It"  ::)


* - The clue is in the word "Current", by the way...

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 02, 2011, 02:29:13 PM
So what is the shelf life for an historic event and who gets to decide. There are a lot of people around the world fighting for Jesus or Allah, them boys are long gone.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armaghniac on November 02, 2011, 02:45:48 PM
Quote
My "Shit Happens" post was in response to your bringing up events of 400 years ago.
Whereas the activities of the likes of Martin McGuinness directly impinge upon all of our day-to-day lives.

So events of 400 years ago do not impinge on our day- to- day lives today?

Quote
In particular, we should not use the good deeds or achievements of our ancestors to excuse or mitigate our own misdeeds, or fail to acknowledge the good works of someone just because his/her distant ancestors may have been rogues.

I couldn't agree more. Nobody is responsible for their ancestors unless they choose to associate themselves with them. 

However, if their ancestors were evil and they continue to pursue their objectives then history does not belong solely in the past.


Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2011, 03:13:08 PM
So what is the shelf life for an historic event
For me, the Rule of Thumb should be Living Memory i.e. events which directly impinge (or impinged) upon people still around today.

I mean, it would be nice to be able to take into consideration the feelings of people who lived and died, say, a Century or more ago, but I don't think it's very practical...

... and who gets to decide.
Well if my own Rule is unacceptable, perhaps we should hold a "Dutch Auction" to decide? 

In which case, I'll start the search for a "Historical Sell-By Date" at 1189...

There are a lot of people around the world fighting for Jesus or Allah, them boys are long gone.
Tbf, if Allah or Jesus turns up at the Polling Booth on Election Day, and pay their taxes on time, then they should have the same voting rights as everyone else.

But in the meantime, I think we should continue to crack down on this kind of shit:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056467/Charlie-Hebdo-French-magazines-offices-torched-mocks-Prophet-Mohammed.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2011, 03:17:08 PM
Quote
My "Shit Happens" post was in response to your bringing up events of 400 years ago.
Whereas the activities of the likes of Martin McGuinness directly impinge upon all of our day-to-day lives.

So events of 400 years ago do not impinge on our day- to- day lives today?

Quote
In particular, we should not use the good deeds or achievements of our ancestors to excuse or mitigate our own misdeeds, or fail to acknowledge the good works of someone just because his/her distant ancestors may have been rogues.

I couldn't agree more. Nobody is responsible for their ancestors unless they choose to associate themselves with them. 

However, if their ancestors were evil and they continue to pursue their objectives then history does not belong solely in the past.
OK, OK, I accept I should have made it easier for you than "Shit Happens - Get Over It".

How about: "Some People did some Bad Things to Some Other People, like, 400 Years Ago. Isn't it Time YOU Got Over It?"
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 02, 2011, 03:22:15 PM
We should probably set a date for decommissioning of the poppy badge. The sash and bowler hat is long overdue.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armaghniac on November 02, 2011, 03:37:19 PM
Quote
How about: "Some People did some Bad Things to Some Other People, like, 400 Years Ago. Isn't it Time YOU Got Over It?"

Don't be obtuse. It is very simple, I couldn't care less what your ancestors did or what happened 400 years ago or 1400 years ago or whenever. I live in the present. I couldn't care less if your ancestors tried to make Ireland a vassal of Britain, if you do not share this objective in the present.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Rossfan on November 02, 2011, 04:03:34 PM
Where do I say  that the Book of Kells was written in Irish. ;) :P :-*

A and then, when called on it, replies:
"I think you and that other buck will find that the learned classes that gave us the Book of Kells , Annals of the 4 Masters , Annals of Loch Cé etc etc would all have learned to spell the same way",
the inference is clear and unmistakeable: he (you) hadn't realised it was in Latin.  :D

I knew that was in bloody Latin.
I meant that the type of learned people who could produce things like that were more than capable of having a standardised spelling system.
But much better to jump to an oul  conclusion that tries to make a lad out to be a thick. ::)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 02, 2011, 04:44:46 PM
"Shit Happens - Get over it"

This from a hypocrite who was giving out about Martin McGuinness.
No hypocrisy on my part whatever.

My "Shit Happens" post was in response to your bringing up events of 400 years ago.

Whereas the activities of the likes of Martin McGuinness directly impinge upon all of our day-to-day lives.

I have been ever consistent in my stance that whilst we should not ignore History, neither should we be bound by it. In particular, we should not use the good deeds or achievements of our ancestors to excuse or mitigate our own misdeeds, or fail to acknowledge the good works of someone just because his/her distant ancestors may have been rogues.

So if you want to invoke Bloody Sunday, or I Bloody Friday, in furtherance of some point, then that is entirely legitimate (imo).

But if you are going to insist upon bringing up events from the long distant past like The Plantation of 1608, when we are meant to be debating Current Affairs*, then my response will continue to be "Shit Happens - Get Over It"  ::)


* - The clue is in the word "Current", by the way...
He is right, for a person fropm a community that continues to refer to the battle of the boyne, the siege of derry, the drowning of some planters in the bann in the 17th century and numerous other events from our past to want to keep the debate current is hypocrisy. History starts every second, yesterday is history. But since you are only interested in being a wum I have no doubt you will continue to rave on. But in my opinion history is relevaent as context and should only be viewed as such.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2011, 06:39:04 PM
It is very simple, I couldn't care less what your ancestors did or what happened 400 years ago or 1400 years ago or whenever. I live in the present.
Says the man who asked: "So events of 400 years ago do not impinge on our day- to- day lives today?"

P.S. The answer to your question, btw, is "Only if you are determined that they should". On which point I would remind you that it is you  who was banging on about the Plantation... ::)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2011, 06:58:50 PM
"Shit Happens - Get over it"

This from a hypocrite who was giving out about Martin McGuinness.
No hypocrisy on my part whatever.

My "Shit Happens" post was in response to your bringing up events of 400 years ago.

Whereas the activities of the likes of Martin McGuinness directly impinge upon all of our day-to-day lives.

I have been ever consistent in my stance that whilst we should not ignore History, neither should we be bound by it. In particular, we should not use the good deeds or achievements of our ancestors to excuse or mitigate our own misdeeds, or fail to acknowledge the good works of someone just because his/her distant ancestors may have been rogues.

So if you want to invoke Bloody Sunday, or I Bloody Friday, in furtherance of some point, then that is entirely legitimate (imo).

But if you are going to insist upon bringing up events from the long distant past like The Plantation of 1608, when we are meant to be debating Current Affairs*, then my response will continue to be "Shit Happens - Get Over It"  ::)


* - The clue is in the word "Current", by the way...
He is right, for a person fropm a community that continues to refer to the battle of the boyne, the siege of derry, the drowning of some planters in the bann in the 17th century and numerous other events from our past to want to keep the debate current is hypocrisy.
And where have I ever referred to the Boyne/Derry/Bann etc to support an opinion or stance on present-day politics?

No, wait, I come from a "community"  which does so.  ::)

I must say, I almost admire you for the way you interchange so smoothly between the 'Politics of Mopery', the 'Politics of Whataboutery' and the 'Politics of Themmuns', as now. I daresay you're well practised in it...

History starts every second, yesterday is history. But since you are only interested in being a wum I have no doubt you will continue to rave on. But in my opinion history is relevaent as context and should only be viewed as such.
So anybody who proposes a different view to yours must be a wum, then?

Congratulations! You may now add 'The Politics of Playing the Man' to your CV...
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armaghniac on November 02, 2011, 07:14:02 PM
Simple question, EG. Do you or do you not share the objective of 17th century planters of having Ulster part of the British empire?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 02, 2011, 07:24:34 PM
Katie Taylor wearing one on Sky Sports News this evening.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: bennydorano on November 02, 2011, 08:43:05 PM
Simple question, EG. Do you or do you not share the objective of 17th century planters of having Ulster part of the British empire?

Lay of the glue.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: cicfada on November 02, 2011, 08:51:24 PM
It is irritating to read the people complaining about the  wearing of the poppy on tv..it's not like they have  a choice now is it?? And that in my opinion is exactly what is wrong with the whole poppy thing!! I mean I am sure there are people of a nationalist bent who have  had family members who fought against the nazis and in world war 1 but who don't wear the poppy. Why?.....It was shoved down their throats time and time  again that they had to wear it!! So much for free will huh??
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Rossfan on November 02, 2011, 09:44:21 PM
I noticed the newscasters on UTV this evening didnt wear any of those British symbols.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 02, 2011, 09:55:26 PM
I noticed the newscasters on UTV this evening didnt wear any of those British symbols.

Roy Keane and Martin Oneill have though
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2011, 09:57:21 PM
I noticed the newscasters on UTV this evening didnt wear any of those British symbols.

Roy Keane and Martin Oneill have though

Fair play to them, bound to not have given it a second thought too
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2011, 11:28:07 PM
(I've skipped through most of this thread.)

Who gives a toss who wears a poppy and who doesn't? Nobody should be compelled to wear one or not wear one. It's customary to pass no remarks about such things. If I saw another Irishman wearing one I'd assume that he has his reasons and leave it at that. You never know who had relatives who fought in the war.

At the same time if you were to wear every single coloured ribbon or plastic wristband that everyone pushed your way you'd walk about covered head to toe in the things. This one particular charity seems to get an inordinate amount of free publicity every year and it's a shame that a culture has built up around it that you're being "disrespectful" if you don't contribute to them. If people want to pay respects to the war dead they should be allowed to do so in their own way even if it means not donating to this particular charity or displaying a sign that they did.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: bennydorano on November 03, 2011, 07:55:13 AM
British Public Sector Pensions are supposedly some of the best in the world as well.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2011, 10:21:47 AM
Yes and when my wife retires she'll get one of those great pensions!!  happy days ;D

So will a right few posters here. Imagine that  ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 10:46:27 AM
Yes and when my wife retires she'll get one of those great pensions!!  happy days ;D

So will a right few posters here. Imagine that  ;)

Imagine if Ireland had defaulted on its banks debts and British banks had fallen as a result, the U.K. had to rape their pensions to save them. I wonder how many people on this board this would have affected. (I'm not worried, I will probably country hop again in a few years.)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 03, 2011, 11:08:47 AM
Trio charged after poppy burning

Three teenagers have appeared in court after a photograph was posted on social networking site facebook showing a poppy being burnt.
The trio have been charged with incitement to hatred.

Two 17-year -olds and a 16-year-old, who is also charged with improper use of the public electronic communications network, appeared in court on Wednesday.

An investigation was launched after officers were made aware of the pictures.

Wonder would there have been the same response if it had been Easter lilies?
Or posters, flags, soccer and GAA tops on top of bonfires?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 11:33:40 AM
Trio charged after poppy burning

Three teenagers have appeared in court after a photograph was posted on social networking site facebook showing a poppy being burnt.
The trio have been charged with incitement to hatred.

Two 17-year -olds and a 16-year-old, who is also charged with improper use of the public electronic communications network, appeared in court on Wednesday.

An investigation was launched after officers were made aware of the pictures.

Wonder would there have been the same response if it had been Easter lilies?
Or posters, flags, soccer and GAA tops on top of bonfires?

All over the U.K. they will be burning effigies up and down the country on saturday  >:(
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Bingo on November 03, 2011, 11:36:43 AM
So this is were everyone is hanging out now that the Aras race is over  ;D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 03, 2011, 11:44:16 AM
Trio charged after poppy burning

Three teenagers have appeared in court after a photograph was posted on social networking site facebook showing a poppy being burnt.
The trio have been charged with incitement to hatred.

Two 17-year -olds and a 16-year-old, who is also charged with improper use of the public electronic communications network, appeared in court on Wednesday.

An investigation was launched after officers were made aware of the pictures.

Wonder would there have been the same response if it had been Easter lilies?
Or posters, flags, soccer and GAA tops on top of bonfires?

All over the U.K. they will be burning effigies up and down the country on saturday  >:(

And how many of them will have to suffer a criminal record or the stigma of a court appearence!

Good to see the PSNI are out catching the "real" criminals though.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 03, 2011, 11:47:01 AM
Trio charged after poppy burning

Three teenagers have appeared in court after a photograph was posted on social networking site facebook showing a poppy being burnt.
The trio have been charged with incitement to hatred.

Two 17-year -olds and a 16-year-old, who is also charged with improper use of the public electronic communications network, appeared in court on Wednesday.

An investigation was launched after officers were made aware of the pictures.

Wonder would there have been the same response if it had been Easter lilies?
Or posters, flags, soccer and GAA tops on top of bonfires?

All over the U.K. they will be burning effigies up and down the country on saturday  >:(

And how many of them will have to suffer a criminal record or the stigma of a court appearence!

Good to see the PSNI are out catching the "real" criminals though.
In fairnes to the Police a complaint was made by the British Legion and they are obliged to investigate.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 03, 2011, 11:56:24 AM
Trio charged after poppy burning

Three teenagers have appeared in court after a photograph was posted on social networking site facebook showing a poppy being burnt.
The trio have been charged with incitement to hatred.

Two 17-year -olds and a 16-year-old, who is also charged with improper use of the public electronic communications network, appeared in court on Wednesday.

An investigation was launched after officers were made aware of the pictures.

Wonder would there have been the same response if it had been Easter lilies?
Or posters, flags, soccer and GAA tops on top of bonfires?

All over the U.K. they will be burning effigies up and down the country on saturday  >:(

And how many of them will have to suffer a criminal record or the stigma of a court appearence!

Good to see the PSNI are out catching the "real" criminals though.
In fairnes to the Police a complaint was made by the British Legion and they are obliged to investigate.

Granted.
But arrested and criminal charges!!!!!

Slightly more serious incidents need investagating.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15565521

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15539656

http://www.u.tv/News/Two-elderly-NI-women-attacked-in-their-homes/5645c449-8fb8-4d88-a4a8-7e7af6775ec2

http://www.4ni.co.uk/northern_ireland_news.asp?id=134470

All incidents within the last week and a bit.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 03, 2011, 12:57:45 PM
Simple question, EG. Do you or do you not share the objective of 17th century planters of having Ulster part of the British empire?
That is not a "simple" question, rather it is a leading question. As such, it is not so different from asking eg a committed EU integrationist whether he shares the objective of Napoleon...

Anyhow, as far as I can tell, my Planter ancestors came from the ordinary folk who moved from Scotland to Ireland, in search of work, land and a better life for their family etc. And as Scots and (I assume) Presbyterians), they would also have received welcome refuge from discrimination by the English and Anglicanism etc. As such, they were little different from eg the Pilgrim Fathers who left Britain a decade later, to colonise what is now the United States.

Whether they were entitled to do so is a moot point, since the Law of Conquest etc was markedly different from that which governs such matters today. More importantly, whether my ancestors were big, bad Planters, or yours poor oppressed Gaels, it makes no difference to me as to how you and I should get along, .

For whilst I happen to hold the same goal of NI being British, as the Planters had for Ulster, I differ completely as to the means. That is, whereas they wanted to make Ulster British by Colonisation, I want to keep NI British by strictly Democratic means. And in the present, those means are to be found in the Good Friday Agreement - an agreement freely and democratically entered into by descendants of both Planter and Gael.

Therefore, having answered your question, I might ask you whether you agree with the precepts of the GFA as a means of settling differences, or whether you refer back to the methods of the 17th Century, such as Colonisation and Rebellion? After all, you continually keep throwing those times into the debate, as eg when you asked: "So events of 400 years ago do not impinge on our day- to- day lives today?"

P.S. If we were to accept your thesis that the events of 1608 inevitably influence the events of 2011 etc, then are we not morally-bound to put right the wrongs of that earlier period? Indeed if we are to take your "principles" to their logical conclusion, should we not seek to reverse the Plantation altogether, by sending their descendants back whence they came? I have to say, that would not be such a hardship for me personally, but I daresay Ulster folk with such impeccably Planter names as eg Adams or Hume might have something to say about that... ::)
 
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 03, 2011, 01:05:02 PM
It is irritating to read the people complaining about the  wearing of the poppy on tv..it's not like they have  a choice now is it?? And that in my opinion is exactly what is wrong with the whole poppy thing!! I mean I am sure there are people of a nationalist bent who have  had family members who fought against the nazis and in world war 1 but who don't wear the poppy. Why?.....It was shoved down their throats time and time  again that they had to wear it!! So much for free will huh??
Whilst I buy a Poppy myself every year, I agree that it should not be compulsory.

That said, whilst Broadcasters etc seemed (formally or informally?) to have adopted such a policy around a decade ago, I sense that this last year or two the policy seems to have been dropped, since from what I can see, Poppy wearing amongst TV presenters etc is no longer universal.

Imo this is a good thing.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 03, 2011, 01:08:26 PM
'persecuted and 'ordinary folk' planters who no doubt ousted natives from their own land - so the hypocrisy started a long time back then.
presumably you were too young to march with the civil rights folk about the opression and persecution upon the innocent catholic/Irish/working class/nationalists etc - but no doubt your parents and their families marched and actively opposed this establishment lead disgrace - if not then they were uphholding the establishment ethos and therefore upholding the planter ideaology !


see you comment about 'playing the man' to someone else on the prev page - somewhat ironic, though you prob admit to being a repeat offender yourself by now (in which case this isnt a problem).
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 03, 2011, 01:09:32 PM
jeez if people want to buy and wear a fecking poppy - so what.
OK some fcukwits will see this as a chance to triumphalise, but prob about time that we....
....
,,,,
'moved on' perhaps - as is the oft used phrase these days !!  :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 03, 2011, 01:10:35 PM
All over the U.K. they will be burning effigies up and down the country on saturday  >:(

I know, shocking, isn't it  ;)

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 03, 2011, 01:16:22 PM
Trio charged after poppy burning

Three teenagers have appeared in court after a photograph was posted on social networking site facebook showing a poppy being burnt.
The trio have been charged with incitement to hatred.

Two 17-year -olds and a 16-year-old, who is also charged with improper use of the public electronic communications network, appeared in court on Wednesday.

An investigation was launched after officers were made aware of the pictures.

Wonder would there have been the same response if it had been Easter lilies?
Or posters, flags, soccer and GAA tops on top of bonfires?

All over the U.K. they will be burning effigies up and down the country on saturday  >:(

And how many of them will have to suffer a criminal record or the stigma of a court appearence!

Good to see the PSNI are out catching the "real" criminals though.
In fairnes to the Police a complaint was made by the British Legion and they are obliged to investigate.

Granted.
But arrested and criminal charges!!!!!

Slightly more serious incidents need investagating.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15565521

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15539656

http://www.u.tv/News/Two-elderly-NI-women-attacked-in-their-homes/5645c449-8fb8-4d88-a4a8-7e7af6775ec2

http://www.4ni.co.uk/northern_ireland_news.asp?id=134470

All incidents within the last week and a bit.
No would deny that such crimes as you cite are more serious than the Poppy Burning. Then again, they are being investigated, too.

Of course, if you were to argue that it is eg a waste of police resources to follow-up this incident, even when a complaint is made, then we would find ourselves back in the day when the Police themselves decided which crimes to investigate, and which to let quietly drop.

And no doubt you complained about that, too... ::)

Late Edit: You do appreciate that it will not have been the PSNI who decided to bring charges, but the PPS?  ::)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 01:18:41 PM
All over the U.K. they will be burning effigies up and down the country on saturday  >:(

I know, shocking, isn't it  ;)

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How progressive, a black man  :o
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 01:21:28 PM
Evil Genius - Do you actully not see anything wrong with the whole Guy Fawkes night in the U.K.?

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 03, 2011, 01:26:31 PM
How progressive, a black man  :o
Oh ffs!

When someone supplies a link to a story, you might be advised to read it before replying:

"Edenbridge Bonfire Society picked Balotelli for their annual display after he hit the headlines last month.

The Italian's house was set on fire after his friends let off fireworks in the bathroom of his Cheshire mansion.

Balotelli, who denied any involvement, then fronted a firework-safety campaign at the club's Carrington training ground.

He is the latest sports star to go up in flames at Edenbridge - with Wayne Rooney the star of 2010. Each year the group pick a celebrity who has been in the news."


I suppose Wayne Rooney was chosen for being a Muslim or something... ::)

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 01:35:04 PM
How progressive, a black man  :o
Oh ffs!

When someone supplies a link to a story, you might be advised to read it before replying:

"Edenbridge Bonfire Society picked Balotelli for their annual display after he hit the headlines last month.

The Italian's house was set on fire after his friends let off fireworks in the bathroom of his Cheshire mansion.

Balotelli, who denied any involvement, then fronted a firework-safety campaign at the club's Carrington training ground.

He is the latest sports star to go up in flames at Edenbridge - with Wayne Rooney the star of 2010. Each year the group pick a celebrity who has been in the news."


I suppose Wayne Rooney was chosen for being a Muslim or something... ::)

Missed the link. Well Rooney is Irish-stock Scouse Catholic, so he probably fits the bill just right. Yes I know, I was watching the match. The whole thing is based in sectarian hatred, some still see it that way, while most are happy to ignore its true origins. Of course this a country that has no problem with a statue of Oliver Cromwell sitting outside their parliament. Its also a country that let a group of sectarian hoodlums march through areas they are not wanted just to show the locals who are the boss. A country that until a few days ago would not allow Catholics to become head of state or give women a fair chance to achieve that position. It still restricts 99.99999% of its population from ever becoming head of their own state.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 03, 2011, 01:40:12 PM
Evil Genius - Do you actully not see anything wrong with the whole Guy Fawkes night in the U.K.?

I suppose you'll want the Monument in London pulled down as well...

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 01:42:55 PM
Perhaps if you show the full picture Deiseach rather than that shot, I may be able to answer your question.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 03, 2011, 01:48:36 PM
Trio charged after poppy burning

Three teenagers have appeared in court after a photograph was posted on social networking site facebook showing a poppy being burnt.
The trio have been charged with incitement to hatred.

Two 17-year -olds and a 16-year-old, who is also charged with improper use of the public electronic communications network, appeared in court on Wednesday.

An investigation was launched after officers were made aware of the pictures.

Wonder would there have been the same response if it had been Easter lilies?
Or posters, flags, soccer and GAA tops on top of bonfires?

All over the U.K. they will be burning effigies up and down the country on saturday  >:(

And how many of them will have to suffer a criminal record or the stigma of a court appearence!

Good to see the PSNI are out catching the "real" criminals though.
In fairnes to the Police a complaint was made by the British Legion and they are obliged to investigate.

Granted.
But arrested and criminal charges!!!!!

Slightly more serious incidents need investagating.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15565521

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15539656

http://www.u.tv/News/Two-elderly-NI-women-attacked-in-their-homes/5645c449-8fb8-4d88-a4a8-7e7af6775ec2

http://www.4ni.co.uk/northern_ireland_news.asp?id=134470

All incidents within the last week and a bit.
No would deny that such crimes as you cite are more serious than the Poppy Burning. Then again, they are being investigated, too.

Of course, if you were to argue that it is eg a waste of police resources to follow-up this incident, even when a complaint is made, then we would find ourselves back in the day when the Police themselves decided which crimes to investigate, and which to let quietly drop.

And no doubt you complained about that, too... ::)

Which I didn't argue.
Lets hope that the other cases get the PROMPT response from the PSNI that the case involving the 3 teenagers recieved.
It's good to see that you admit that the RUC were a corrupt self servicing "police" force.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 01:52:57 PM
May I suggest one of these lads EG for there next bonfire.

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I thought not.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hardy on November 03, 2011, 01:58:12 PM
A country that until a few days ago would not allow Catholics to become head of state

As far as I know, Catholics still need not apply for the job of head of state of the UK.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 03, 2011, 01:59:59 PM
Perhaps if you show the full picture Deiseach rather than that shot, I may be able to answer your question.

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 03, 2011, 02:01:49 PM
Lads the Guy Fawkes thing is a non issue. Whilst Fawkes was a catholic trying to blow up parliament the English approach to religion has always been a little bit more complicated than our own. Although legally the catholic religion was suppressed this did not stop catholic lords and earls being at the heart of government. But anyway all significance has been forgotton as people now see it as a night to enjoy just like halloween with no political or religious baggage. In relation to the poppy, it is undoubtedly in a good cause, but the Irish view of it has been somewhat skewed by our experience of their army, not withstanding that many of us had relatives killed in that uniform. But biggest disservice to the poppy in NI has been none by unionists insisting that the y ram it down nationalist throats as a political symbol. The hysteria the Poundland case gave rise to is proof of this. The sensible uniform code which prevents the wearing of badges and embloms has been binned, I look forwrd to them all wearing easter lilies and shamrock when the time comes.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 03, 2011, 02:05:32 PM
Lads the Guy Fawkes thing is a non issue. Whilst Fawkes was a catholic trying to blow up parliament the English approach to religion has always been a little bit more complicated than our own. Although legally the catholic religion was suppressed this did not stop catholic lords and earls being at the heart of government. But anyway all significance has been forgotton as people now see it as a night to enjoy just like halloween with no political or religious baggage. In relation to the poppy, it is undoubtedly in a good cause, but the Irish view of it has been somewhat skewed by our experience of their army, not withstanding that many of us had relatives killed in that uniform. But biggest disservice to the poppy in NI has been none by unionists insisting that the y ram it down nationalist throats as a political symbol. The hysteria the Poundland case gave rise to is proof of this. The sensible uniform code which prevents the wearing of badges and embloms has been binned, I look forwrd to them all wearing easter lilies and shamrock when the time comes.

+1. I wonder how many Catholics in England huddle indoors on the 5th of November for fear of being chucked on a bonfire
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 02:16:13 PM
Lads the Guy Fawkes thing is a non issue. Whilst Fawkes was a catholic trying to blow up parliament the English approach to religion has always been a little bit more complicated than our own. Although legally the catholic religion was suppressed this did not stop catholic lords and earls being at the heart of government. But anyway all significance has been forgotton as people now see it as a night to enjoy just like halloween with no political or religious baggage. In relation to the poppy, it is undoubtedly in a good cause, but the Irish view of it has been somewhat skewed by our experience of their army, not withstanding that many of us had relatives killed in that uniform. But biggest disservice to the poppy in NI has been none by unionists insisting that the y ram it down nationalist throats as a political symbol. The hysteria the Poundland case gave rise to is proof of this. The sensible uniform code which prevents the wearing of badges and embloms has been binned, I look forwrd to them all wearing easter lilies and shamrock when the time comes.

+1. I wonder how many Catholics in England huddle indoors on the 5th of November for fear of being chucked on a bonfire

Not sure, but this Atheist in England finds it a horrible event.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 03, 2011, 02:19:36 PM
+1. I wonder how many Catholics in England huddle indoors on the 5th of November for fear of being chucked on a bonfire

Not sure, but this Atheist in England finds it a horrible event.

So you avoid fireworks displays? Each to their own, but you're missing a great show
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 02:26:26 PM
+1. I wonder how many Catholics in England huddle indoors on the 5th of November for fear of being chucked on a bonfire

Not sure, but this Atheist in England finds it a horrible event.

So you avoid fireworks displays? Each to their own, but you're missing a great show

Ya my mates all invited me out to Sefton Park for saturday night fireworks. A big group of them going. I will be staying in that night, like I did last year (blinds shut and music up loud to drown out the fireworks).
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 03, 2011, 02:33:32 PM
Ya my mates all invited me out to Sefton Park for saturday night fireworks. A big group of them going. I will be staying in that night, like I did last year (blinds shut and music up loud to drown out the fireworks).

Never fear, I'll be in Sefton Park enjoying the display enough for two people
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 02:43:46 PM
Ya my mates all invited me out to Sefton Park for saturday night fireworks. A big group of them going. I will be staying in that night, like I did last year (blinds shut and music up loud to drown out the fireworks).

Never fear, I'll be in Sefton Park enjoying the display enough for two people

Sure you might as well wear a second poppy too so   ;)  :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 03, 2011, 02:54:52 PM
Ya my mates all invited me out to Sefton Park for saturday night fireworks. A big group of them going. I will be staying in that night, like I did last year (blinds shut and music up loud to drown out the fireworks).

Never fear, I'll be in Sefton Park enjoying the display enough for two people

Sure you might as well wear a second poppy too so   ;)  :D

Ad hominem attacks. Ho hum.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 03:02:49 PM
Ya my mates all invited me out to Sefton Park for saturday night fireworks. A big group of them going. I will be staying in that night, like I did last year (blinds shut and music up loud to drown out the fireworks).

Never fear, I'll be in Sefton Park enjoying the display enough for two people

Sure you might as well wear a second poppy too so   ;)  :D

Ad hominem attacks. Ho hum.

Not at all, I presume you where implying you could enjoy the fireworks on my behalf despite it being against my will. So you might as well wear my poppy too, coz I certainly will never wear one. People being forced or peer-presured into wearing poppies seems to be the trend.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 03, 2011, 03:07:43 PM
Not at all, I presume you where implying you could enjoy the fireworks on my behalf despite it being against my will. So you might as well wear my poppy too, coz I certainly will never wear one. People being forced or peer-presured into wearing poppies seems to be the trend.

You've decided I wear a poppy because I said something you disgree with. As I said, ad hominem
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 03, 2011, 03:10:57 PM
How progressive, a black man  :o
Oh ffs!

When someone supplies a link to a story, you might be advised to read it before replying:

"Edenbridge Bonfire Society picked Balotelli for their annual display after he hit the headlines last month.

The Italian's house was set on fire after his friends let off fireworks in the bathroom of his Cheshire mansion.

Balotelli, who denied any involvement, then fronted a firework-safety campaign at the club's Carrington training ground.

He is the latest sports star to go up in flames at Edenbridge - with Wayne Rooney the star of 2010. Each year the group pick a celebrity who has been in the news."


I suppose Wayne Rooney was chosen for being a Muslim or something... ::)

Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 03:11:59 PM
Not at all, I presume you where implying you could enjoy the fireworks on my behalf despite it being against my will. So you might as well wear my poppy too, coz I certainly will never wear one. People being forced or peer-presured into wearing poppies seems to be the trend.

You've decided I wear a poppy because I said something you disgree with. As I said, ad hominem

Your comment was in the spirit of the peer-pressure/forcing of poppies to be worn. This is the Poppy thread afterall. Basically don't bother enjoying the fireworks on my behalf.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 03:13:38 PM
How progressive, a black man  :o
Oh ffs!

When someone supplies a link to a story, you might be advised to read it before replying:

"Edenbridge Bonfire Society picked Balotelli for their annual display after he hit the headlines last month.

The Italian's house was set on fire after his friends let off fireworks in the bathroom of his Cheshire mansion.

Balotelli, who denied any involvement, then fronted a firework-safety campaign at the club's Carrington training ground.

He is the latest sports star to go up in flames at Edenbridge - with Wayne Rooney the star of 2010. Each year the group pick a celebrity who has been in the news."


I suppose Wayne Rooney was chosen for being a Muslim or something... ::)

You have reposted the exact same post twice. Did you expect a different answer this time.

You do realise the blackman comment was tongue in cheek, in case that was not obvious.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Evil Genius on November 03, 2011, 03:35:20 PM
Evil Genius - Do you actully not see anything wrong with the whole Guy Fawkes night in the U.K.?
I suppose in theory it is distasteful, but in practice, I simply cannot get worked up by kids collecting "A Penny for the Guy" so as to buy fireworks and have a bonfire etc.

This is because the "Guy" in question died over 400 years ago and 99%+ of the kids have no real idea who he was, never mind hold an opinion on whether he was a "Martyr persecuted for his Catholic Faith", or a "would-be Mass Murderer", who had plotted to kill hundreds of his fellow countrymen, including many of his co-religionists etc.

Above all, it's not as if these "celebrations" are officially sanctioned, or promoted/financed by the Government, therefore it is open to all to participate or shun, as each individual thinks fit.

And in any case, this particular poster is too busy protesting about Halloween and its origins in Witchcraft, Black Magic and Heresy etc, to have time to go out and picket the Boney in my local Park... ::)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Enough on November 03, 2011, 04:21:07 PM
Wear a poppy support a murderer!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: stew on November 03, 2011, 04:27:40 PM
Wear a poppy support a murderer!

What a load of bollocks!!!!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 03, 2011, 04:32:04 PM
Wear a poppy support a murderer!
Would that be one trying to kill a ref?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: 4father on November 03, 2011, 04:36:02 PM
What I dislike about the whole poppy thing is that it is a cynical way of bringing about justification and morality to an army that have been the shame of our earth.  It gives moral justification to the Iraq and Afghan invasion and the crimes committed there in the micro by soldiers and in the macro by the political war criminals. 

That is the trick in the poppy - the invading soldier who played his/her part in massacres, murder and the other pieces of political dirty work dies and is commemorated for doing his part for his country.  What part of his country was he protecting in a country thousands of miles away?  It brings justification to all of the actions of the British Government in war when it is crime.  Disgusting really.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thejuice on November 03, 2011, 05:36:09 PM
What I find more strange is that people go on about Irish people needing to wear a poppy. The world wars, while many Irish did partake in the 1st particularly, they are not culturally prevalent in our society. Neither is militarism generally. We are proud of our peace keeping work in Lebanon but the parading, the cenotaphs and the flag waving are not things I would associate with our society.

Having lived in England for a number of years now, its much different over here. Every town has its memorial. The RAF flying shows attract large numbers and documentaries about the wars run 24/7 on the Military History channel.

As for poppy's and giving money to soldiers charities. I don't. If they want money maybe they should ask Tony Blair.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 03, 2011, 05:45:10 PM
Wear a poppy support a murderer!

What a load of bollocks!!!!

Please tell us what you really think
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 03, 2011, 05:54:54 PM
What I find more strange is that people go on about Irish people needing to wear a poppy. The world wars, while many Irish did partake in the 1st particularly, they are not culturally prevalent in our society. Neither is militarism generally. We are proud of our peace keeping work in Lebanon but the parading, the cenotaphs and the flag waving are not things I would associate with our society.

Having lived in England for a number of years now, its much different over here. Every town has its memorial. The RAF flying shows attract large numbers and documentaries about the wars run 24/7 on the Military History channel.

As for poppy's and giving money to soldiers charities. I don't. If they want money maybe they should ask Tony Blair.

Ya I always knew they where a martial people but in reality it is much more than I expected.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 03, 2011, 05:57:49 PM
Wear a poppy support a murderer!
Would that be one trying to kill a ref?
Enough, thanks for the PM calling me a narrow minded twerp. That's actually funny coming from some one who posts what you did regarding poppies. No lover of poppies am I or what unionists have made them into. But in the current dispensation if people wish to express their identity and support for soldiers so be it. As long as they don't ram it down my throat. I have noted from the comments you have left elsewhere on Ray Mathews that you have a particularly twisted view of the world. If you want to post insults to people have the balls to do it on the open forum instead of private messages.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 03, 2011, 06:04:38 PM
Having lived in England for a number of years now, its much different over here. Every town has its memorial. The RAF flying shows attract large numbers and documentaries about the wars run 24/7 on the Military History channel.

What on earth do you expect on the Military History channel? Porn?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2011, 06:31:09 PM
Why after all these years are we still hung up on flags and Poppy's? Boring boring. Who cares no ones is ramming anything down my throat a flag carries no fear nor some fella wearing a poppy for two months. Christ if he wanted to wear it for life i couldn't give a shite. What impact does it have on your life? I doubt very much it.

But we will moan about it every year. Do people on this site go to rallies remembering those who died during the troubles? Are there wee bracelets or Lillies worn every year for these things? (ones that pin and the ones that stick ;D)

That is the trick in the poppy - the invading soldier who played his/her part in massacres, murder and the other pieces of political dirty work dies and is commemorated for doing his part for his country.

Do you mean any war? Are you against any war that has happened or continuing to happen?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: 4father on November 03, 2011, 06:46:41 PM
You mightn't care about them but when they are used cynically to drive on support for people destroying others' lives in other countries it matters to me.  Maybe not to you but that's your choice to get annoyed about it or not.  Am I being blown up by an attacking Apache helicopter? No.  Are others currently under that threat in other countries?  Yes.  Choose to be apathetic if you want to but don't be coming on here patronising people because they care about a certain issue.

Do I go to rallies commemorating people that died here?  Yes.  Do i wear a Lilly? Yes, only on Easter Sunday.  (a wee pin on one does me but whether they pin on or stick on is irrelevant now. 

I am against occupying forces invading other peoples' countries (here, Iraq, Afghanistan or wherever).  I am for those that resist that occupation all over the world.  Whether you like it or not, the poppy is used to gather support for 'troops' involved in those occupations and the cynical ploy in all of this is that that support in turn is produced and developed to support the occupiers deeds.  I am referring to the Brits of course but the same could be said for the American army, the Israeli army etc.  I hate war by the way, its horrific.

I wear my Lilly to commemorate people who died resisting the occupiers.

By the way, not every British soldier is a bad person.  Those who fought during WW1 and WW2 genuinely thought that they were doing their country a service or fighting against an horrific ideology (Fascism) but these people were used as pawns for criminal politicians.  Irish people fought in the war to feed their families and some because they were lied to by politicians in that their participation would bring about Home Rule.  I have no problem with their lives being commemorated but not when its used cynically to garner support for coontemporary colonialism. 

Where do you stand on the occupations?  Or do you care?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2011, 06:54:22 PM
You mightn't care about them but when they are used cynically to drive on support for people destroying others' lives in other countries it matters to me.  Maybe not to you but that's your choice to get annoyed about it or not.  Am I being blown up by an attacking Apache helicopter? No.  Are others currently under that threat in other countries?  Yes.  Choose to be apathetic if you want to but don't be coming on here patronising people because they care about a certain issue.

Do I go to rallies commemorating people that died here?  Yes.  Do i wear a Lilly? Yes, only on Easter Sunday.  (a wee pin on one does me but whether they pin on or stick on is irrelevant now. 

I am against occupying forces invading other peoples' countries (here, Iraq, Afghanistan or wherever).  I am for those that resist that occupation all over the world.  Whether you like it or not, the poppy is used to gather support for 'troops' involved in those occupations.  I am referring to the Brits of course but the same could be said for the American army, the Israeli army etc. I hate war by the way, its horrific.

Seems strange that you hate war but have no problem with the war that has destroyed so many lives here!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: 4father on November 03, 2011, 06:59:01 PM
By the way, I edited my last post, there was a few questions for you that you may have missed.  I have a major problem with the war that destroyed so many lives here.  The protagonists are the same people that are destroying the rest of the world. 

Are you somehow implying that I think war is great because I commemorate former comrades and Ireland's patriots? 
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: stew on November 03, 2011, 07:06:01 PM
Wear a poppy support a murderer!

What a load of bollocks!!!!

Please tell us what you really think

Believe it or not the Brits have the right to honour their dead, I have friends over here from Armagh that wear their poppies with pride, they honour the wife's father who fought in the British army in WW2, he fought with distinction and he died three years ago. I have no problem with people who respectfully wear their poppy and who dont harp on about those who don't.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 03, 2011, 07:26:10 PM

Please tell us what you really think

Believe it or not the Brits have the right to honour their dead, I have friends over here from Armagh that wear their poppies with pride, they honour the wife's father who fought in the British army in WW2, he fought with distinction and he died three years ago. I have no problem with people who respectfully wear their poppy and who dont harp on about those who don't.

I was being flippant. You're right, particularly the 'load of bollocks' part
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2011, 07:35:19 PM
Did Germany want peace by occupying those countries? Could they have maybe been talked out of it? I've missed that part during history lesson.

Many a corner boy was thrust into the war here by people unwilling to get their hands dirty or caught for that matter, were they pawns used by people?

Are we are better placed now than we were in the 70's during the troubles? We are still governed by London but we have a voice in how we run things (albeit a small one) If we move into a republic (not that they want us) will you be happier

I've a family to look after, their lives are far more important to me than this hate filled country. So I don't have a view on it, know too many families that have lost dear ones for nothing
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armaghniac on November 03, 2011, 07:52:29 PM
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Are we are better placed now than we were in the 70's during the troubles? We are still governed by London but we have a voice in how we run things (albeit a small one)

Fair enough. But this week with the various forms of poppy carry on it is clear how just how little progress has been made. Parity of esteem, my aЯse!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: 4father on November 03, 2011, 07:54:22 PM
Did Germany want peace by occupying those countries? Could they have maybe been talked out of it? I've missed that part during history lesson.

Many a corner boy was thrust into the war here by people unwilling to get their hands dirty or caught for that matter, were they prawns used by people?

Are we are better placed now than we were in the 70's during the troubles? We are still governed by London but we have a voice in how we run things (albeit a small one) If we move into a republic (not that they want us) will you be happier

I've a family to look after, their lives are far more important to me than this hate filled country. So I don't have a view on it, know too many families that have lost dear ones for nothing

Yep, I was a 'corner boy' turned revolutionary.  Did 7 years in the Kesh for being part of what was a genuine revolution.  The difference with colonial army's is that many of them are mercenaries, conscripts or people with no future at all so they join the army for a job or to play real Call of Duty.  Genuine revolutionaries on the other hand do things out of love, love for their people.  Just my outlook as a 'corner boy' whether you agree or not.  I'd also a family.  Did that make me a bad person?  Maybe I'm a bit older than you just (I don't know if i am by the way), maybe my family and my neighbours were more victims of the British army than your family or neighbours were, I don't know.

While I believe that Nationalists are more confident and assertive about their political views now than in the 70s, nothing has changed much in terms of the revolution.  The revolution died in my opinion not long after the hunger strikes.  If you are a fenian, you still face the same inequalities that fenians did in the 70s (hard to believe but true) in terms of education, employment, business etc.  Our 'small' voice is indeed that, a small insignificant voice governed by the treasury of Whitehall.  And no, I wouldn't be happier if we just move into the republic.  To quote a hero of mine and a visionary whose words are as relevant today as they were when he was active: "If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords..." but that's a different debate. 

I don't mind if you are apathetic, you are not unlike lots of other people but some of us are political.  This is where you and I would probably disagree until the end of time.  I care very much about my family and I feed them etc just like you but I also care about families who are victims of colonialism and capitalism here and around the world. 

It seems Thatcher's message has worked on some Irish people but thank god there are enough people that it will never work on.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hardy on November 03, 2011, 07:55:56 PM
Lillies? Prawns?

Jesus Christ!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 03, 2011, 08:01:37 PM
Lillies? Prawns?

Jesus Christ!
I was prepared to let "prawn" go unmentioned. You have no heart.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2011, 08:15:43 PM
Lillies? Prawns?

Jesus Christ!
I was prepared to let "prawn" go unmentioned. You have no heart.

Predictive text on my phone FFS  :D :D

Anyway back on the computer. You my have that view 4father and I'm not here to knock your views. I know a lot of revolutionaries who have various views on this.

 Living on the Falls road during the troubles, I seen it first hand, neighbours killed, family shot at and friends who lost love ones. there were periods were the street was being raided daily.

As i said before there were many a corner boy who i went to school with, who joined for different reasons to the one you did.

You being older than me means?

But people wearing poppy's Should not annoy you or anyone else for that matter
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: 4father on November 03, 2011, 09:00:14 PM
You being older than me means?

I wasn't doing the, "i'm older than you, i know better".  I don't know what age you are (i've an idea now), I was just trying to put it into perspective that I may have grew up in a different era from you, that's all.

But people wearing poppy's Should not annoy you or anyone else for that matter

I didn't write that people wearing poppy's annoyed me anywhere.  It doesn't.  I wrote what I disliked about Poppy's.  I completely understand people wearing them.  But if you don't mind, i'll decide what annoys me and what doesn't.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Rossfan on November 03, 2011, 09:22:12 PM
But people wearing poppy's Should not annoy you or anyone else for that matter

I didn't write that people wearing poppy's annoyed me anywhere.  It doesn't.  I wrote what I disliked about Poppy's.  I completely understand people wearing them.  But if you don't mind, i'll decide what annoys me and what doesn't.
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Some murderin of apostrophes going on. >:(
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: 4father on November 03, 2011, 09:37:51 PM
Sorry, that wasn't taught in the Kesh too well. 
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2011, 09:41:46 PM
You being older than me means?

I wasn't doing the, "i'm older than you, i know better".  I don't know what age you are (i've an idea now), I was just trying to put it into perspective that I may have grew up in a different era from you, that's all.

But people wearing poppy's Should not annoy you or anyone else for that matter

I didn't write that people wearing poppy's annoyed me anywhere.  It doesn't.  I wrote what I disliked about Poppy's.  I completely understand people wearing them.  But if you don't mind, i'll decide what annoys me and what doesn't.

Of course nobody will ever be happy about what they wear. Be it a poppy or a Lilly. I choose to wear none.

The topic was poppy watch and it was evident that most on here wear annoyed at them
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Dougal Maguire on November 04, 2011, 11:11:24 AM
I'm delighted to see our good friend 5ive Times is still alive and kicking
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thejuice on November 04, 2011, 02:19:49 PM
Having lived in England for a number of years now, its much different over here. Every town has its memorial. The RAF flying shows attract large numbers and documentaries about the wars run 24/7 on the Military History channel.

What on earth do you expect on the Military History channel? Porn?


That wasn't my point. Its more that fact that such a channel exists and that it actually has an audience.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: fitzroyalty on November 04, 2011, 04:11:47 PM
Although I'm not dying about the poppy I can't stand people that don't wear it in the right position!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 04, 2011, 04:25:33 PM
I'm delighted to see our good friend 5ive Times is still alive and kicking
thought Five times was an ok chap myself.
like a lot on here there are people that you will fall out with and just not get on with.
A lot of times you regret that.
Its very easy to fall out when communication is written and can be misinterpreted.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 05, 2011, 09:39:01 PM
Robert fisk on the poppy in todays UK indo.

 I turned on the television in my Damascus hotel roomtowitness a dreary sight: all the boys and girls of BBC World wearing their little poppies again.

Bright red they were, with that particularly silly greenleafout of the top – it was never part of the original Lady Haig appeal – and not one dared to appear on screen without it. Do these pathetic men and women know how they mock the dead? I trust that Jon Snowhas maintained hisdignityby not wearing it.

Now I've mentioned my Dad too many times in The Independent. He died almost 20 years ago so, after today, I think it's time he was allowed to rest in peace, and that readers should in future be spared his sometimes bald wisdom. This is the last time he will make an appearance. But he had strong views about wearing the poppy. He was a soldier of the Great War, Battle of Arras 1918 – often called the Third Battle of the Somme – and the liberation of Cambrai, along with many troops from Canada. The Kaiser Wilhelm's army had charitably set the whole place on fire and he was appalled by the scorched earthpolicyof the retreating Germans. But of course, year after year, he would go along to the local cenotaph in Birkenhead, and later in Maidstone, where I was born 28 years after the end of his Great War, and he always wore his huge black coat, his regimental tie – 12th Battalion,the King'sLiverpool Regiment – and his poppy.

In those days, it was – I recall this accurately, I think – a darker red, blood-red rather than BBC-red, larger than the sorrow-lite version I see on the BBC and withoutthat ridiculous leaf. So my Dad would stand and I would be next to him in my Yardley Court School blazer at 10 years old and later, aged 16, in my Sutton Valence School blazer, with my very own Lady Haig poppy, its long blackwiresnaking through the material, sprouting from my lapel.

My Dad gave melots of booksabout the Great War, so I knew about the assassination of the Archduke Ferdinand at Sarajevo before I went to school – and 47years before I stood, amid real shellfire,inthe real Sarajevoand put my feet on the very pavement footprints where Gavrilo Princip fired the fatal shots.

But as the years passed, old Bill Fisk became very ruminative about the Great War. He learned that Haig had lied, that he himself had foughtfora world that betrayed him,that 20,000 British dead on the first day of the Somme – which he mercifully avoided because his first regiment, the Cheshires, sent him to Dublin and Cork to deal with another 1916 "problem" – was a trashing of human life. In hospital and recovering from cancer, I asked him once why the Great War was fought. "All I can tell you, fellah," he said, "was that it was a great waste." And he swept his hand from left to right. Then he stopped wearing his poppy. I asked him why, and he said that he didn't want to see "so many damn fools" wearing it –he was a provocative man and, sadly, I fell out with him in his old age. What hemeantwas that all kinds of people who had no idea of the suffering of the Great War – or the Second, for that matter – were now ostentatiouslywearing a poppy for social or work-related reasons, to look patrioticand Britishwhen itsuited them, to keep in with their friends and betters and employers. These people, he said to me once, had no idea what the trenches of France were like, what it felt like to have your friends die beside you and then to confronttheirbrothers and wives and lovers and parents. At home, I still have a box of photographs of his mates, all of them killed in1918.

So like my Dad, I stopped wearing the poppy on the week before Remembrance Day, 11 November, when on the 11th hour of the 11 month of 1918, the armistice ended the war called Great. I didn't feel I deserved towearit and I didn't think itrepresented mythoughts. The original idea came, of course, from the Toronto military surgeon and poet John McCrae and was inspired by the death of his friend Lieutenant Alexis Helmer, killed on 3 May 1915. "In Flanders fields the poppies blow/Betweenthe crosses, row on row." But it's a propaganda poem, urging readers to "take up the quarrel with the foe". Bill Fisk eventually understood this and turned against it. He was right.

I've had my share of wars, and often return to the ancient Western Front. Three years ago, I was honoured to be invited to give the annual Armistice Day Western Front memorial speech at the rebuilt Cloth Hall in Ypres. The ghost of my long-dead 2nd Lieutenant Dad was, of course, in the audience. I quoted all my favourite Great War writers, along with the last words of Nurse Edith Cavell, and received, shortly afterwards, a wonderful and eloquent letter from the daughter of that fine Great War soldier Edmund Blunden. (Read his Undertones of War, if you do nothing else in life.) But I didn't weara poppy.And I declined to lay a wreath at the Menin Gate. This was something of which I was not worthy. Instead, while theyplayedthe last post,I lookedatthe gravestones on the city walls.

As a young boy, I also went to Ypres with my Dad, stayed at the "Old Tom Hotel" (it is still there, on the same side of the square as the Cloth Hall) and met many other "old soldiers", all now dead. I remember that they wanted to remember their dead comrades. But above all, they wanted an end to war. But now I see these pathetic creatures with their little sand-pit poppies – I notice that ourmasters inthe House of Commons do the same – and I despise them. Heaven be thanked that the soldiers of the Great War cannot return today to discover how their sacrifice has been turned into a fashion appendage.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 05, 2011, 09:55:55 PM
The BBC have obviously relaxed their laws, or else Mark Sidebottom has said f**k yous, i will wear what i want
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 05, 2011, 09:57:20 PM
...
Bright red they were, with that particularly silly green leaf out of the top – it was never part of the original Lady Haig appeal – and not one dared to appear on screen without it. Do these pathetic men and women know how they mock the dead?
...

As a young boy, I also went to Ypres with my Dad, stayed at the "Old Tom Hotel" (it is still there, on the same side of the square as the Cloth Hall) and met many other "old soldiers", all now dead. I remember that they wanted to remember their dead comrades. But above all, they wanted an end to war. But now I see these pathetic creatures with their little sand-pit poppies – I notice that our masters inthe House of Commons do the same – and I despise them. Heaven be thanked that the soldiers of the Great War cannot return today to discover how their sacrifice has been turned into a fashion appendage.


That's about the height of it all.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Mont on November 05, 2011, 09:58:31 PM
The BBC have obviously relaxed their laws, or else Mark Sidebottom has said f**k yous, i will wear what i want

Louis obviously hasn't said that!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Minder on November 05, 2011, 10:00:29 PM
The BBC have obviously relaxed their laws, or else Mark Sidebottom has said f**k yous, i will wear what i want

His great Granda fought in WW1 I think.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 05, 2011, 10:04:09 PM
The BBC have obviously relaxed their laws, or else Mark Sidebottom has said f**k yous, i will wear what i want

His great Granda fought in WW1 I think.

well you probably know him minder being from down there, i think last year was the same if i can remember right. Maybe things have relaxed after the whole Donna Trainor episode from a few years back.

Jackie Fullerton had one interviewing Oran Kearney, who didnt. On other channels, this wouldnt happen
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Minder on November 05, 2011, 10:06:08 PM
The BBC have obviously relaxed their laws, or else Mark Sidebottom has said f**k yous, i will wear what i want

His great Granda fought in WW1 I think.

well you probably know him minder being from down there, i think last year was the same if i can remember right. Maybe things have relaxed after the whole Donna Trainor episode from a few years back.

Jackie Fullerton had one interviewing Oran Kearney, who didnt. On other channels, this wouldnt happen

They shouldn't be put in the position where it is forced upon them, if they want to wear it fair enough and if they don't, the same.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hoof Hearted on November 05, 2011, 10:20:54 PM
The BBC have obviously relaxed their laws, or else Mark Sidebottom has said f**k yous, i will wear what i want

His great Granda fought in WW1 I think.

well you probably know him minder being from down there, i think last year was the same if i can remember right. Maybe things have relaxed after the whole Donna Trainor episode from a few years back.

Jackie Fullerton had one interviewing Oran Kearney, who didnt. On other channels, this wouldnt happen

They shouldn't be put in the position where it is forced upon them, if they want to wear it fair enough and if they don't, the same.

thats my opinion too. Just watching the main BBC News here, and every person who has been interviewed has one on, some of the are speaking for lass than 10 seconds. As you say, if you want to wear one, wear one.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 05, 2011, 10:49:58 PM
Have they interviewed anyone from the SDLP or SF?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2011, 11:35:54 PM
Brought up on Spotlight tonight. Raymond McCartney, Conal McDevitt and Arlene Foster all happy to say they have no objection to a member of the other community wearing/not wearing (delete as appropriate) a poppy.

Mike Nesbitt shown to be a bit of a bollox saying he does get het up when he sees people not wearing one.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: BennyCake on November 08, 2011, 11:59:56 PM
I heard people ringing into 606 on 5 live on Sunday. They were saying that the England team should be wearing poppies on their shirts just like the Premier League players. FIFA are against it though.

I wouldnt have thought NI catholic players aren't too happy about being forced to wear them. Also, how would a Premier League player from Iraq or Afghanistan feel if they were forced to wear a poppy on their shirts?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 09, 2011, 12:26:30 AM
I heard people ringing into 606 on 5 live on Sunday. They were saying that the England team should be wearing poppies on their shirts just like the Premier League players. FIFA are against it though.

I wouldnt have thought NI catholic players aren't too happy about being forced to wear them. Also, how would a Premier League player from Iraq or Afghanistan feel if they were forced to wear a poppy on their shirts?

What would the reaction of The Sun and the Daily Mirror if the German national team decided to honour their war dead?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: BennyCake on November 09, 2011, 12:36:37 AM
I'd buy the German shirt if it had a big Swastika on it  :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Fionntamhnach on November 09, 2011, 12:39:31 AM
I heard people ringing into 606 on 5 live on Sunday. They were saying that the England team should be wearing poppies on their shirts just like the Premier League players. FIFA are against it though.

I wouldnt have thought NI catholic players aren't too happy about being forced to wear them. Also, how would a Premier League player from Iraq or Afghanistan feel if they were forced to wear a poppy on their shirts?

What would the reaction of The Sun and the Daily Mirror if the German national team decided to honour their war dead?
FIFA have a ban on such international team kits having logos or emblems on them. One reason is that without such a rule you could have say Iran have an Anti-Isreal slogan on their shirts. Sweden a while back wanted an anti-drug slogan on their shirt but were refused permission.

The last few years over in England have seen a big rise in poppy facism, where if you're not seen wearing one you're automatically accused of being unpatriotic.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ziggysego on November 09, 2011, 12:42:34 AM
I heard people ringing into 606 on 5 live on Sunday. They were saying that the England team should be wearing poppies on their shirts just like the Premier League players. FIFA are against it though.

I wouldnt have thought NI catholic players aren't too happy about being forced to wear them. Also, how would a Premier League player from Iraq or Afghanistan feel if they were forced to wear a poppy on their shirts?

What would the reaction of The Sun and the Daily Mirror if the German national team decided to honour their war dead?
FIFA have a ban on such international team kits having logos or emblems on them. One reason is that without such a rule you could have say Iran have an Anti-Isreal slogan on their shirts. Sweden a while back wanted an anti-drug slogan on their shirt but were refused permission.

The last few years over in England have seen a big rise in poppy facism, where if you're not seen wearing one you're automatically accused of being unpatriotic.

You only had to read the text and tweets coming into Spotlight tonight to see evidences of that.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Declan on November 09, 2011, 07:13:42 AM
I don't get the whole Poppy thing on the football shirts myself. Martin Lipton was  on Newstalk last night saying there has always been a connection beteween the armed forces and football even bringing up the game on the front at Christmas in WW1 and then mentioning the infamous Nazi salute the England gave in Berlin in 1938 - Still didn't make sense to me though in making a case for the national team wearing them.

Very interesting piece from Fisk
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: magpie seanie on November 09, 2011, 09:27:49 AM
They've gone crazy about not being able to wear their Royal British Legion symbol on the soccer teams shirts against Spain. Massive outcry altogether. They can't understand FIFA's stance at all which makes me laugh. If they were playing Germany would it be ok to wear the poppy? Such clowns. Poppy fascism is rampant. FIFA are correct on this one.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Doogie Browser on November 09, 2011, 09:48:10 AM
I see from Gabrielle Marcotti on twitter that England played Sweden 10/11/01 and had no poppies or black armbands so what makes them more relevant now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBJMlXOzJxc
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: aontroim on November 09, 2011, 11:32:06 AM
Brought up on Spotlight tonight. Raymond McCartney, Conal McDevitt and Arlene Foster all happy to say they have no objection to a member of the other community wearing/not wearing (delete as appropriate) a poppy.

Mike Nesbitt shown to be a bit of a bollox saying he does get het up when he sees people not wearing one.

Arlene was sporting two poppies all day yesterday to make up for someone from the 'other community' not wearing one  :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 09, 2011, 11:47:16 AM
Brought up on Spotlight tonight. Raymond McCartney, Conal McDevitt and Arlene Foster all happy to say they have no objection to a member of the other community wearing/not wearing (delete as appropriate) a poppy.

Mike Nesbitt shown to be a bit of a bollox saying he does get het up when he sees people not wearing one.

Arlene was sporting two poppies all day yesterday to make up for someone from the 'other community' not wearing one  :D

Seen that alright, does that mean she's twice as good at remembering?  :)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 09, 2011, 11:50:24 AM
I see from Gabrielle Marcotti on twitter that England played Sweden 10/11/01 and had no poppies or black armbands so what makes them more relevant now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBJMlXOzJxc

It's called trying to legitimise their involvement in 2 wars to the British public - see club teams having to wear them, soldiers on the pitches, mention of and wearing in popular British soaps ( Corrie and Eastenders, also Collection boxes on the bar counters etc).
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 09, 2011, 06:59:46 PM
Wonder will I be allowed to wear one of these at work on the 11'th?

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 09, 2011, 07:36:03 PM
Here is one Poppy I wouldn't mind laying  ;D

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 09, 2011, 08:07:15 PM
I see from Gabrielle Marcotti on twitter that England played Sweden 10/11/01 and had no poppies or black armbands so what makes them more relevant now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBJMlXOzJxc

It's called trying to legitimise their involvement in 2 wars to the British public - see club teams having to wear them, soldiers on the pitches, mention of and wearing in popular British soaps ( Corrie and Eastenders, also Collection boxes on the bar counters etc).
WWI and WWII?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 09, 2011, 09:55:23 PM
Poppy Fascism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY3CEX9ATVM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY3CEX9ATVM)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: BennyCake on November 09, 2011, 10:20:20 PM
The Brits are so feckin clueless with their "they fought for our freedom" bollix, "Our troops do a great job in Iraq, Afghanistan, keeping us free from madmen" etc etc. Troops don't fight for the common man, they fight for psychopathic loonies who run the world. If you buy a poppy, you're supporting war. Simple as that.

By the way, the BBC should be impartial and not support one charity over another. Therefore their presenters should not wear any poppies.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Hardy on November 10, 2011, 11:38:35 AM
Poppy Fascism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY3CEX9ATVM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY3CEX9ATVM)

Jesus, that woman is frighteningly stupid and jingoistic and perfectly personifies the poppy fascist. She's so thick she unwittingly did more to make the case against poppyism than any of the other contributors.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: saffron sam2 on November 10, 2011, 03:11:40 PM
Do people still wear these if they are not on television? I haven't seen a single one all year.

And I've been to Sprucefield.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 10, 2011, 03:36:07 PM
I see from Gabrielle Marcotti on twitter that England played Sweden 10/11/01 and had no poppies or black armbands so what makes them more relevant now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBJMlXOzJxc

It's called trying to legitimise their involvement in 2 wars to the British public - see club teams having to wear them, soldiers on the pitches, mention of and wearing in popular British soaps ( Corrie and Eastenders, also Collection boxes on the bar counters etc).
WWI and WWII?


Tony I think you know rightly I meant Iraq and Afghanistan.
Hence the rise of "Poppy promotion" in the last number of years.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 10, 2011, 04:01:36 PM
Do people still wear these if they are not on television? I haven't seen a single one all year.

And I've been to Sprucefield.

You must have gone there via Twinbrook  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: AQMP on November 10, 2011, 04:16:34 PM
To be honest I'd have to say the numbers of wearers in Enniskillen this year seems to be greater than in other years. 
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Christmas Lights on November 10, 2011, 04:23:43 PM
Here is one Poppy I wouldn't mind laying  ;D

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: year til sunday on November 10, 2011, 06:17:07 PM
I see from Gabrielle Marcotti on twitter that England played Sweden 10/11/01 and had no poppies or black armbands so what makes them more relevant now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBJMlXOzJxc

It's called trying to legitimise their involvement in 2 wars to the British public - see club teams having to wear them, soldiers on the pitches, mention of and wearing in popular British soaps ( Corrie and Eastenders, also Collection boxes on the bar counters etc).
WWI and WWII?


Tony I think you know rightly I meant Iraq and Afghanistan.
Hence the rise of "Poppy promotion" in the last number of years.

totally agree with the above, it is not an issue of respecting those who died in WW's I & II, its a politically motivated attempt at desensatising the British public re their current involvement in Iraq/Afghanistan. i heard it on talksport today Keys & Grey mentioning the soldiers coming back from these places in a box we're being remembered via poppy's, well if that doesn't nail politics to the poppy then i don't know what will. i wonder what talksport or the british public would have to say if the (rep of) Ireland team were to put an easter lilly on their jerseys? finally, don't you think its showing a distinct lack of respect to the WW I & II fallen to act this way in the 21st century, particularly as the England football team played matches all throughout the noughties without a sign of a poppy on the jersey
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: BennyCake on November 10, 2011, 07:26:58 PM
Who's the bird?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: red hander on November 10, 2011, 08:32:21 PM
I believe the new SDLP leader isn't going to follow the lead of the political leviathan he replaced by wearing a poppy at the city hall cenotaph on Sunday ... expect the whining and gnashing of teeth from the poppy fascists to get even worse, f**king remembrance nazis
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 11, 2011, 03:16:58 AM
I believe the new SDLP leader isn't going to follow the lead of the political leviathan he replaced by wearing a poppy at the city hall cenotaph on Sunday ... expect the whining and gnashing of teeth from the poppy fascists to get even worse, f**king remembrance nazis

Will wait to see.

See the papers now feel that they have to put a poppy on their front page banners from yesterday!
This is getting sickening, and the idiots who buy into it I'm losing all respect for.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 11, 2011, 05:45:41 AM
Who's the bird?

Some wan from Eastenders called Poppy, she looks better than photo, but it was the only one I could find with her on her own.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 11, 2011, 09:55:22 AM
Guys there are some really mixed up views here. I have no affinity for the poppy given my upbringing, even though I had relatives killed in a British Uniform. The poppy is a fund raising tool of the British Legion and in fairness to them they have done a great job at getting at the forefront of peoples minds in November. But we have to sort out the issues.
1. It is a fund raising tool which allows the Legion to support soldiers who having been sent off to war by there political masters only to be forgotton about when they return.
2. Steve Earle recently observed that the one thing all those who started wars had in common was that they were not the ones fighting them. And in fairness to the Brits unlike the Americans they at least recognise their dead.
3. We have to separate the unjustness of war, and no one can stand over the conflict in Iraq or Afghanistan, from the working class men and women from all parts of these Islands who end up on the front line...hardly by choice.
4. Unionists in NI have done the poppy a great disservice by politicising it in much the same way they accuse SF of politicising the Irish language.
5. Given the Irish experience of the British Army over the last 100 years we are hardly objective are we, and there really is no political agenda with those in Britain who promote the poppy, that is not to say that governments might exploit this for their own selfish and strategic ends.
6. Personally I will never wear a poppy because I don't consider myself British and therefore their army is not my army and it fought and killed my fellow countrymen. But I do believe if we as Nationalists and Republicans expect respect for our culture and traditions then we must also show tolerance for the culture and traditions of others even though we may not agree with them or find it distasteful.
7.Some Unionists and the so called poppy fascists are actually in danger of destroying the poppy as fund raising tool by their lack of tolerance for those who do not wish to wear one for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: NAG1 on November 11, 2011, 10:03:33 AM
Guys there are some really mixed up views here. I have no affinity for the poppy given my upbringing, even though I had relatives killed in a British Uniform. The poppy is a fund raising tool of the British Legion and in fairness to them they have done a great job at getting at the forefront of peoples minds in November. But we have to sort out the issues.
1. It is a fund raising tool which allows the Legion to support soldiers who having been sent off to war by there political masters only to be forgotton about when they return.
2. Steve Earle recently observed that the one thing all those who started wars had in common was that they were not the ones fighting them. And in fairness to the Brits unlike the Americans they at least recognise their dead.
3. We have to separate the unjustness of war, and no one can stand over the conflict in Iraq or Afghanistan, from the working class men and women from all parts of these Islands who end up on the front line...hardly by choice.
4. Unionists in NI have done the poppy a great disservice by politicising it in much the same way they accuse SF of politicising the Irish language.
5. Given the Irish experience of the British Army over the last 100 years we are hardly objective are we, and there really is no political agenda with those in Britain who promote the poppy, that is not to say that governments might exploit this for their own selfish and strategic ends.
6. Personally I will never wear a poppy because I don't consider myself British and therefore their army is not my army and it fought and killed my fellow countrymen. But I do believe if we as Nationalists and Republicans expect respect for our culture and traditions then we must also show tolerance for the culture and traditions of others even though we may not agree with them or find it distasteful.
7.Some Unionists and the so called poppy fascists are actually in danger of destroying the poppy as fund raising tool by their lack of tolerance for those who do not wish to wear one for whatever reason.

Top class post +1
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: EC Unique on November 11, 2011, 10:16:00 AM
Here is one Poppy I wouldn't mind laying  ;D

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Might be nice around Mayo but does nothing for me. Average face and zero breasts...
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Rouge_Diablo on November 11, 2011, 10:31:15 AM
Guys there are some really mixed up views here. I have no affinity for the poppy given my upbringing, even though I had relatives killed in a British Uniform. The poppy is a fund raising tool of the British Legion and in fairness to them they have done a great job at getting at the forefront of peoples minds in November. But we have to sort out the issues.
1. It is a fund raising tool which allows the Legion to support soldiers who having been sent off to war by there political masters only to be forgotton about when they return.


There should be no need for the legion in this day and age, if the gov send them out to get maimed  then it should be gov that look after them when they get back, not a Charity.

3. We have to separate the unjustness of war, and no one can stand over the conflict in Iraq or Afghanistan, from the working class men and women from all parts of these Islands who end up on the front line...hardly by choice.

None of these "heros" are conscripts, they are career soldiers, no one forces them to take the risk, they do it for money.


6. Personally I will never wear a poppy because I don't consider myself British and therefore their army is not my army and it fought and killed my fellow countrymen. But I do believe if we as Nationalists and Republicans expect respect for our culture and traditions then we must also show tolerance for the culture and traditions of others even though we may not agree with them or find it distasteful.
7.Some Unionists and the so called poppy fascists are actually in danger of destroying the poppy as fund raising tool by their lack of tolerance for those who do not wish to wear one for whatever reason.

The Unionists poppy fascism is small beans compared to the under current of revolt here in England. There are just as many, if not more, shuddering at the dianafication of the whole thing as there are those trying to force it down the throat  - the england football debarcle a prime example.





Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 11, 2011, 10:41:24 AM
Bollocks, thats like saying there's no need for Macmillan or Mencap or Trocaire. They may not be conscripts but economic necessity and lack of opportunity force many to join the army. Just look at the upsurge of recruits from the ROI since the bailout. i agree that the whole football shirt thing is a step too far and it is a fact that the government is using it as a tool. but this does not take away from the charitable acts that these funds allow. But as I thought I had made clear if as an Irishman you don't want to support or wear one then don't your choice after all its a British thing why get upset.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: BennyCake on November 11, 2011, 11:12:19 AM
No wars = no need for a poppy fund. Simple.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thejuice on November 11, 2011, 11:43:10 AM
missed the whole minute silence thing in the office today. No one was watching the clock.

But funnily a colleague said, and this is news to me,  it’s for remembering ALL soldiers who fought and died in ALL wars, EVER!  ???

Guess that includes my Great-granddad who fought in the war of independence. Friend of the family was killed in Lebanon too.

News to me, as I say.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Applesisapples on November 11, 2011, 12:12:35 PM
Ahh shit I forgot to remember!!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Minder on November 11, 2011, 12:50:51 PM
I believe the new SDLP leader isn't going to follow the lead of the political leviathan he replaced by wearing a poppy at the city hall cenotaph on Sunday ... expect the whining and gnashing of teeth from the poppy fascists to get even worse, f**king remembrance nazis

Will wait to see.

See the papers now feel that they have to put a poppy on their front page banners from yesterday!
This is getting sickening, and the idiots who buy into it I'm losing all respect for.

McDonnell has confirmed he won't be wearing a poppy.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: glens abu on November 11, 2011, 01:20:19 PM
On every recruiting platform in Dublin you will see the faces of the men who in 1913-14 met together day by day to tell of their plans to murder our women and children by starvation, and are now appealing to the men of those women and children to fight in order to save the precious skins of the gangs that conspired to starve and outrage them.

Who are the recruiters in Dublin? Who is it that sits ......on every recruiting committee, that spouts for recruits from every recruiting platform?

Who are they? They are the men who set the police upon the unarmed people in O’Connell Street, who filled the jails with our young working class girls, who batoned and imprisoned hundreds of Dublin workers, who racked and pillaged the poor rooms of the poorest of our class, who plied policemen with drink, suborned and hired perjurers to give false evidence, murdered John Byrne and James Nolan and Alice Brady, and in the midst of a Dublin reeking with horror and reeling with suffering and pain publicly gloated over our misery and exulted in their power to get ‘three square meals per day’ for their own overfed stomachs.

These are the recruiters. Every Irish man or boy who joins at their call gives these carrion a fresh victory over the Dublin working class – over the working class of all Ireland.

The trenches safer than the Dublin slums! We may yet see the day that the trenches will be safer for these gentry than any part of Dublin
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 11, 2011, 01:55:29 PM
There is an ugly propaganda that is subconciously being propigated by the ruling elite. All major institutions are playing their part

"Take some time to reflect on the sacrifice of our solders but don't dwell on the reasons and the individuals who put them in harms way "



Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Shamrock Shore on November 11, 2011, 02:05:54 PM
Bob Fisk has an interesting article on the whole poppy mallarkey in some of today's papers. Now I know he is not everybody's cup of tea but his Dad did serve in WWI (and in Ireland to quell those pesky rebels in 1916) and later on in life his Dad felt this poppy wearing was an insult to those who fought and died in the muck and shite of the trenches.

More or less "hey, look at me, I'm wearing a poppy. I soooooo feel your pain".
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Go home ref on November 11, 2011, 02:51:57 PM
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Cuimhnigh ar mhairbh, atá tar éis titim le haghaidh ár saoirse
I gcás dearmad orainn

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Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 11, 2011, 06:00:27 PM
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I usually hate both these symbols, but there is some beautiful symmetry about the pics and lanugage.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 11, 2011, 06:05:21 PM
Where I was working today I heard someone ask a service user if they had observed the minutes silence, I turned to see it was a colleague talking. Then I looked up at the clock it was 11.15, and I realised that I had inadvertently spent the previous 15 minutes regaling an English audience about how proud a day it was having our 9'th President Inagurated today. They had been all questions throughout. Only then was it realised that the room had spent the previous 15 minutes discussing this moment in the history of Ireland and its Republic. This was not a conscious act on my behalf, but I did have a smirk on my face when I realised what had happened. Up the Republic  ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 11, 2011, 06:55:17 PM
Do people still wear these if they are not on television? I haven't seen a single one all year.

And I've been to Sprucefield.
You must have missed M&S - Poppy-fest this past couple of days, probably due to the fact that they were selling them on the door.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: ardal on November 11, 2011, 10:33:56 PM
Where I was working today I heard someone ask a service user if they had observed the minutes silence, I turned to see it was a colleague talking. Then I looked up at the clock it was 11.15, and I realised that I had inadvertently spent the previous 15 minutes regaling an English audience about how proud a day it was having our 9'th President Inagurated today. They had been all questions throughout. Only then was it realised that the room had spent the previous 15 minutes discussing this moment in the history of Ireland and its Republic. This was not a conscious act on my behalf, but I did have a smirk on my face when I realised what had happened. Up the Republic  ;)

You were regaling an English audience? I'm guessing you work on a London bus
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thebigfella on November 11, 2011, 10:55:58 PM
Where I was working today I heard someone ask a service user if they had observed the minutes silence, I turned to see it was a colleague talking. Then I looked up at the clock it was 11.15, and I realised that I had inadvertently spent the previous 15 minutes regaling an English audience about how proud a day it was having our 9'th President Inagurated today. They had been all questions throughout. Only then was it realised that the room had spent the previous 15 minutes discussing this moment in the history of Ireland and its Republic. This was not a conscious act on my behalf, but I did have a smirk on my face when I realised what had happened. Up the Republic  ;)

Sure you did.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 11, 2011, 11:25:56 PM
Bob Fisk has an interesting article on the whole poppy mallarkey in some of today's papers. Now I know he is not everybody's cup of tea but his Dad did serve in WWI (and in Ireland to quell those pesky rebels in 1916) and later on in life his Dad felt this poppy wearing was an insult to those who fought and died in the muck and shite of the trenches.

More or less "hey, look at me, I'm wearing a poppy. I soooooo feel your pain".

It's pasted in a few pages back.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 12, 2011, 02:30:55 AM
Tank fcuk it's all over come today/Sunday/actually when do the t**sers stop wearing them?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 12, 2011, 10:24:37 AM
Tank fcuk it's all over come today/Sunday/actually when do the t**sers stop wearing them?
Does it really bother you that much?!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaffer on November 12, 2011, 10:29:16 AM
Tank fcuk it's all over come today/Sunday/actually when do the t**sers stop wearing them?

So anyone who wears a poppy is a t@@ser? 

A sectarian a comment as you could not wish to read considering the vast majority of people from N Ireland who wear them are protestants.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 12, 2011, 12:07:49 PM
Tank fcuk it's all over come today/Sunday/actually when do the t**sers stop wearing them?

Where does one go to with well considered comments like this  :-\
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: AQMP on November 12, 2011, 01:42:15 PM
It used to be Remembrance Day or Remembrance Sunday.  I note the BBC on Friday referred to Remembrance Weekend and another media outlet referred to Remembrance Week.  It's getting like Christmas.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: gallsman on November 12, 2011, 01:52:27 PM
Tank fcuk it's all over come today/Sunday/actually when do the t**sers stop wearing them?

Why not find someone wearing a poppy and ask him "Here, t**ser, when do you plan to stop wearing that?".

See how that goes down.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: stew on November 12, 2011, 01:55:05 PM
Where I was working today I heard someone ask a service user if they had observed the minutes silence, I turned to see it was a colleague talking. Then I looked up at the clock it was 11.15, and I realised that I had inadvertently spent the previous 15 minutes regaling an English audience about how proud a day it was having our 9'th President Inagurated today. They had been all questions throughout. Only then was it realised that the room had spent the previous 15 minutes discussing this moment in the history of Ireland and its Republic. This was not a conscious act on my behalf, but I did have a smirk on my face when I realised what had happened. Up the Republic  ;)

What a guy, you da man. The republic is lucky to have a lad such as yourself to hold an English audience spellboiund at the very minute they were supposed to be thinking about their fallen soldiers, I see what you did there, Ireland 1 England 0.

You are full of shite and that story proves it.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Trout on November 12, 2011, 02:09:07 PM
Gweedore is possibly the biggest bigot on this board but squeals like a bitch if he thinks anyone on the other side is bigoted.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: armaghniac on November 12, 2011, 02:18:51 PM
Quote
So anyone who wears a poppy is a t@@ser?

A sectarian a comment as you could not wish to read considering the vast majority of people from N Ireland who wear them are protestants.

It is clear measure of how this poppy propaganda has succeeded in distorting the debate that opposing sectarianism is now characterised as sectarian.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 12, 2011, 02:19:22 PM
Gweedore is possibly the biggest bigot on this board but squeals like a bitch if he thinks anyone on the other side is bigoted.

Sorry, we don't debate with fish here.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Trout on November 12, 2011, 02:27:13 PM
Gweedore is possibly the biggest bigot on this board but squeals like a bitch if he thinks anyone on the other side is bigoted.

Sorry, we don't debate with fish here.

Where was the invitation for debate ? You mind that temper of yours, we don't want you blowing your top and sending abusive PMs.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 12, 2011, 03:36:47 PM
Gweedore is possibly the biggest bigot on this board but squeals like a bitch if he thinks anyone on the other side is bigoted.

Sorry, we don't debate with fish here.

Where was the invitation for debate ? You mind that temper of yours, we don't want you blowing your top and sending abusive PMs.

I wouldn't worry about my temper lad, I'd never lose it with the likes of you.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: bennydorano on November 12, 2011, 03:47:12 PM
David Mitchell on HIGNFY last night in relation to the poppy furoure over England v Spain - "I'm disappointed that they're not playing dressed as poppies'. Made me laugh.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on November 12, 2011, 05:52:16 PM
Where I was working today I heard someone ask a service user if they had observed the minutes silence, I turned to see it was a colleague talking. Then I looked up at the clock it was 11.15, and I realised that I had inadvertently spent the previous 15 minutes regaling an English audience about how proud a day it was having our 9'th President Inagurated today. They had been all questions throughout. Only then was it realised that the room had spent the previous 15 minutes discussing this moment in the history of Ireland and its Republic. This was not a conscious act on my behalf, but I did have a smirk on my face when I realised what had happened. Up the Republic  ;)

What a guy, you da man. The republic is lucky to have a lad such as yourself to hold an English audience spellboiund at the very minute they were supposed to be thinking about their fallen soldiers, I see what you did there, Ireland 1 England 0.

You are full of shite and that story proves it.

Think what ya like, what suprised me was that no one actually seemed bothered to observe the minutes silence. No one mentioned it coming up to the time. The first time I heard it mentined was a few minutes after it was supposed to have taken place.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 12, 2011, 05:57:41 PM
Where I was working today I heard someone ask a service user if they had observed the minutes silence, I turned to see it was a colleague talking. Then I looked up at the clock it was 11.15, and I realised that I had inadvertently spent the previous 15 minutes regaling an English audience about how proud a day it was having our 9'th President Inagurated today. They had been all questions throughout. Only then was it realised that the room had spent the previous 15 minutes discussing this moment in the history of Ireland and its Republic. This was not a conscious act on my behalf, but I did have a smirk on my face when I realised what had happened. Up the Republic  ;)

What a guy, you da man. The republic is lucky to have a lad such as yourself to hold an English audience spellboiund at the very minute they were supposed to be thinking about their fallen soldiers, I see what you did there, Ireland 1 England 0.

You are full of shite and that story proves it.

Think what ya like, what suprised me was that no one actually seemed bothered to observe the minutes silence. No one mentioned it coming up to the time. The first time I heard it mentined was a few minutes after it was supposed to have taken place.

I just dont get why you be surprised by that. We have the media pumping out massive propaganda in regards to wearing a poppy and the minutes silience but why do you think that everybody will adher to the media message? People get immersed in work and the day goes on.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaffer on November 12, 2011, 06:25:40 PM
Quote
So anyone who wears a poppy is a t@@ser?

A sectarian a comment as you could not wish to read considering the vast majority of people from N Ireland who wear them are protestants.

It is clear measure of how this poppy propaganda has succeeded in distorting the debate that opposing sectarianism is now characterised as sectarian.

Calling people t@@sers is opposing sectarianism ?
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 12, 2011, 07:03:31 PM
Now this is how to remember, Orange style, a rememberanxe day parade followed up by a sectarian protest. You gotta love them...

 Orangemen at No10 over Catholic ban

Saturday November 12 2011 Members of the Protestant Orange Order have descended on Downing Street to oppose the lifting of a ban on those in line to the throne from marrying a Catholic. The Orangemen took a brief detour from their annual Remembrance Day march to deliver the letter setting out concerns that changes to the Act of Settlement will call into question the future role of the monarch as the Supreme Governor of the Church of England. Jeffrey Donaldson, Ulster Democratic Unionist MP for Lagan Valley, said: "The Queen is the supreme governor of the Church of England, and if a future monarch were to marry someone outside of the Church of England that could have consequences for the sole link between the Crown and the church. "We believe this is part of a long-term plan to disestablish the Church of England by damaging the link between the Crown and the church." The leaders of the 16 Commonwealth nations where the Queen serves as head of state came together in October to unanimously approve changes to the laws of royal succession which lift the ban on anyone in line for the throne marrying a Catholic. The Orangemen Remember and Parade in London started with the laying of a wreath at the tomb of King William III in Westminster Abbey by nine officers and members of the Houses of Parliament Loyal Orange Lodge. Prayers were said and Mr Donaldson, the 48-year-old Master of the Houses of Parliament Loyal Orange Lodge, addressed the group. He said: "We urge upon our government today to think carefully about the course they are embarked upon and its consequences for our sovereign, for our church and for our nation." The parade featured around 100 members dressed in black suits with ceremonial orange and purple collarettes and white gloves. They were accompanied by the Corby Purple Star Flute Band from Northampton, who played traditional marching band songs.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: EC Unique on November 12, 2011, 07:35:27 PM
There really is very little difference in the OO and the KKK.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Maguire01 on November 12, 2011, 07:51:35 PM
Jeffrey Donaldson, Ulster Democratic Unionist MP for Lagan Valley, said: "The Queen is the supreme governor of the Church of England, and if a future monarch were to marry someone outside of the Church of England that could have consequences for the sole link between the Crown and the church. 
Yes Jeffrey, but the monarch could marry someone outside the CoE all along, just not a Catholic.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 12, 2011, 08:00:43 PM
Now this is how to remember, Orange style, a rememberanxe day parade followed up by a sectarian protest. You gotta love them...

 Orangemen at No10 over Catholic ban

Saturday November 12 2011 Members of the Protestant Orange Order have descended on Downing Street to oppose the lifting of a ban on those in line to the throne from marrying a Catholic. The Orangemen took a brief detour from their annual Remembrance Day march to deliver the letter setting out concerns that changes to the Act of Settlement will call into question the future role of the monarch as the Supreme Governor of the Church of England. Jeffrey Donaldson, Ulster Democratic Unionist MP for Lagan Valley, said: "The Queen is the supreme governor of the Church of England, and if a future monarch were to marry someone outside of the Church of England that could have consequences for the sole link between the Crown and the church. "We believe this is part of a long-term plan to disestablish the Church of England by damaging the link between the Crown and the church." The leaders of the 16 Commonwealth nations where the Queen serves as head of state came together in October to unanimously approve changes to the laws of royal succession which lift the ban on anyone in line for the throne marrying a Catholic. The Orangemen Remember and Parade in London started with the laying of a wreath at the tomb of King William III in Westminster Abbey by nine officers and members of the Houses of Parliament Loyal Orange Lodge. Prayers were said and Mr Donaldson, the 48-year-old Master of the Houses of Parliament Loyal Orange Lodge, addressed the group. He said: "We urge upon our government today to think carefully about the course they are embarked upon and its consequences for our sovereign, for our church and for our nation." The parade featured around 100 members dressed in black suits with ceremonial orange and purple collarettes and white gloves. They were accompanied by the Corby Purple Star Flute Band from Northampton, who played traditional marching band songs.
Used to be known as Little Scotland, due to the fact that it had a steel works in the town and many of those who worked in it had relocated down from Scotland. Maybe it has changed, but I was there 2 or 2 times in the early 80's and it was the most depressing, depressed place on God's green earth.

Just thought I'd share that....  :)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: LondonCamanachd on November 12, 2011, 08:01:29 PM
But funnily a colleague said, and this is news to me,  it’s for remembering ALL soldiers who fought and died in ALL wars, EVER!  ??

I've been brought up with that attitude and it's quite common over here.  Most 'brits' see the poppy as a symbol of peace, and would see the PDF's peacekeepers being remembered on the 11th as totally appropriate.  I believe German and Argentinian representatives have taken part in Remembrance Sunday commemorations in recent years.

Please don't think the bigots and neos speak for us, for us it is simply to mark the end of WW1 and to contribute to a charity that looks after our ex-servicemen because our government won't.

And any person over that gets offended over people choosing not to donate is a f*cking fanny.

David Cameron has embarrassed himself with his tawdry populism over the English footballers wearing the poppy.  But, please, he doesn't speak for the majority of 'brits' - and he certainly does not speak for me and my countrymen!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: LondonCamanachd on November 12, 2011, 08:03:10 PM
Used to be known as Little Scotland, due to the fact that it had a steel works in the town and many of those who worked in it had relocated down from Scotland. Maybe it has changed, but I was there 2 or 2 times in the early 80's and it was the most depressing, depressed place on God's green earth.

Just thought I'd share that....  :)

From Glasgow.  Hence the bigotry.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: thejuice on November 12, 2011, 08:06:35 PM
Jeffrey Donaldson, Ulster Democratic Unionist MP for Lagan Valley, said: "The Queen is the supreme governor of the Church of England, and if a future monarch were to marry someone outside of the Church of England that could have consequences for the sole link between the Crown and the church. 
Yes Jeffrey, but the monarch could marry someone outside the CoE all along, just not a Catholic.

Yeah, I mean, God forbid, that could make the Orange Order become even more redundant.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: mylestheslasher on November 12, 2011, 08:14:01 PM
Now this is how to remember, Orange style, a rememberanxe day parade followed up by a sectarian protest. You gotta love them...

 Orangemen at No10 over Catholic ban

Saturday November 12 2011 Members of the Protestant Orange Order have descended on Downing Street to oppose the lifting of a ban on those in line to the throne from marrying a Catholic. The Orangemen took a brief detour from their annual Remembrance Day march to deliver the letter setting out concerns that changes to the Act of Settlement will call into question the future role of the monarch as the Supreme Governor of the Church of England. Jeffrey Donaldson, Ulster Democratic Unionist MP for Lagan Valley, said: "The Queen is the supreme governor of the Church of England, and if a future monarch were to marry someone outside of the Church of England that could have consequences for the sole link between the Crown and the church. "We believe this is part of a long-term plan to disestablish the Church of England by damaging the link between the Crown and the church." The leaders of the 16 Commonwealth nations where the Queen serves as head of state came together in October to unanimously approve changes to the laws of royal succession which lift the ban on anyone in line for the throne marrying a Catholic. The Orangemen Remember and Parade in London started with the laying of a wreath at the tomb of King William III in Westminster Abbey by nine officers and members of the Houses of Parliament Loyal Orange Lodge. Prayers were said and Mr Donaldson, the 48-year-old Master of the Houses of Parliament Loyal Orange Lodge, addressed the group. He said: "We urge upon our government today to think carefully about the course they are embarked upon and its consequences for our sovereign, for our church and for our nation." The parade featured around 100 members dressed in black suits with ceremonial orange and purple collarettes and white gloves. They were accompanied by the Corby Purple Star Flute Band from Northampton, who played traditional marching band songs.
Used to be known as Little Scotland, due to the fact that it had a steel works in the town and many of those who worked in it had relocated down from Scotland. Maybe it has changed, but I was there 2 or 2 times in the early 80's and it was the most depressing, depressed place on God's green earth.

Just thought I'd share that....  :)

Sounds like the perfect place for them!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: never kickt a ball on November 13, 2011, 01:46:15 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11743727
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Forever Green on November 13, 2011, 01:48:59 AM
f**k every single one o them who served over here. See, I would have no problem with the shite if it was just for the World Wars but its no
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Arthur_Friend on November 13, 2011, 08:57:32 AM
Pity the BBC don't have a webpage entitled 'Who they felled' and give numbers for that as well.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Orior on November 13, 2011, 08:35:10 PM
Zero poppies on display today in Casement Park.

Of course the police made sure they were visible outside the ground.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: deiseach on November 13, 2011, 08:38:58 PM
Well it's over, time to stash those poppies away for another year seven months
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2011, 08:45:25 PM
Was at the gym this morning and this girl was showing off her poppy every time she worked on the thigh master!! I like poppies
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Armaghgeddon on November 13, 2011, 08:47:24 PM
The looks I got walking to work this morning....
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: lawnseed on November 13, 2011, 08:47:37 PM
all credit to poppy wearers but they put dorathy to sleep in the wizard of oz. wouldnt have them about the place health and safety etc.. ;)
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2011, 08:51:21 PM
The looks I got walking to work this morning....

Aye had to laugh myself, went up to the shop this morning and everyone had black suits on and poppies to the max! Spot the Taig game
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: dillinger on November 13, 2011, 11:58:15 PM
Just took mine off before midnight. :D
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 14, 2011, 06:49:49 PM
Gweedore is possibly the biggest bigot on this board but squeals like a bitch if he thinks anyone on the other side is bigoted.

I'll assume its me your talking about  ::).
How am I a bigot?
Can you show me where I "squeal like a bitch" anywhere on this board?
Or would you be talking boll*cks!
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 14, 2011, 06:51:19 PM
Tank fcuk it's all over come today/Sunday/actually when do the t**sers stop wearing them?
Does it really bother you that much?!

Poppy fascism does, yeah.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on November 14, 2011, 06:56:24 PM
Tank fcuk it's all over come today/Sunday/actually when do the t**sers stop wearing them?

So anyone who wears a poppy is a t@@ser? 

A sectarian a comment as you could not wish to read considering the vast majority of people from N Ireland who wear them are protestants.

No, did I say they were, the t**ser description is aimed at the people who continue to wear the poppies above and beyond the norm.

"Sectarian comment" - catch yourself on.
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: Gaffer on November 14, 2011, 09:00:24 PM
Tank fcuk it's all over come today/Sunday/actually when do the t**sers stop wearing them?

So anyone who wears a poppy is a t@@ser? 

A sectarian a comment as you could not wish to read considering the vast majority of people from N Ireland who wear them are protestants.

No, did I say they were, the t**ser description is aimed at the people who continue to wear the poppies above and beyond the norm.

"Sectarian comment" - catch yourself on.

Where did you say that it was aimed at the people who continue to wear the poppies above and beyond the norm? 

Fact is you didn't !!  This is what you said.....

Tank fcuk it's all over come today/Sunday/actually when do the t**sers stop wearing them?


You were talking about anyone who wore them !
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: seafoid on November 14, 2011, 09:27:34 PM
I saw a picture of Tony Blair with a poppy. He should get a special one for sending all those squaddies to die in Afghanistan.

 
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: theskull1 on November 14, 2011, 11:16:16 PM
He should have every poppy worn yesterday stuffed down his throat
Title: Re: Poppy Watch
Post by: passedit on November 15, 2011, 08:22:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lZv6WlH5kJk (http://ww