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#16
Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling original
March 24, 2024, 11:34:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 24, 2024, 08:58:24 PMThere was 1 time he was on the Roscommon 14m line, however that happened, its only a benefit him been out the field on opposition kickouts if we won a majority of them, we don't so I can't see the % gain  for maybe 1 or 2 kickouts during the game against a major score or two if we try that shit against Dublin. McKinless got elbowed in the face the day, and whether accidental or not, it was a plain as day yellow card. Gough not up to this level anymore, and I though he let a number of obvious fouls go.

Div 1 football, do you expect to win the majority of the opposition kickouts? He's there as an extra body with great hands, it puts extra pressure on the opposition keeper.
#17
Knew I had a fecking nightmare this weekend!

Laois v Leitrim Laois by 2
Down v Westmeath. Westmeath by 5

Donegal v Armagh. Armagh by 3
Derry v Dublin. Derry by 7
#18
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
March 24, 2024, 06:50:12 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 24, 2024, 06:14:35 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 24, 2024, 05:57:16 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 24, 2024, 05:49:09 PMDerry have a right good chance at winning the All Ireland this summer. Serious momentum from back to back Ulster titles and All Ireland semi final appearances and Glen winning the club top honour.  Were about 10% off last year and the appointment of Mickey Harte could prove a very good one.

Lets wait and see. I suspect that Dublin are still a bit ahead of them (and everybody else for that matter) particularly in the attacking department. Next week, despite it only being a League final, is a hugely significant game for Derry. If they can win that then it would be another big breakthrough for them and will give them the belief that they can compete to win Sam this year. 

Dublin playing too good too soon, they paced themselves last year and were in top shape for the All Ireland Quarter final.  Don't think the league final will count for a lot come championship time belief is already there for Derry.

Ah here we go again... Too good too soon (insert green bokey emoji from WhatsApp) . Maybe, just maybe this is the level this version of Dublin play at. What happens when a few of the big hitters are back starting, will they regress??
#19
Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling original
March 24, 2024, 05:53:14 PM
Quote from: Interstellar on March 24, 2024, 05:29:12 PMHas Lynch's outfield exploits become a liability? Again at fault for today's goal. Would be interesting to compare how many points we have conceded versus scored as a consequence of him being too far out the field.

Excellent 2nd half showing today. Be very interesting battle next week. Quick pitch will suit both teams.
Re Lynch, imp he has been excellent this year. Doherty was caught on the wrong side of his man, Lynch wasn't that far away from his goal, bounce just beat him. His link play, distribution and kick outs have all been top drawer. Assist wise, he's setup quite a lot of scores
#20
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
March 24, 2024, 11:21:25 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2024, 10:56:06 AM
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 24, 2024, 10:05:29 AMTrip to Croke Park today not at all enticing for Tyrone folk. Happy to retain Div 1 status and Dublin will want a league final with no real competition until the other side of the Leinster final. Dublin-Derry shud make for good league final.
Today is Dublin's last competitive match until the round robin starts


Indeed!  ;D
#21
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
March 24, 2024, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 24, 2024, 08:45:28 AMTime to start hitting the long road North to get this Division 1 stuff out of the way.

Ah sure it's only th'oul League....

Good man, the sun is shining atm. That could change in 30 seconds!
#22
GAA Discussion / Re: RG at arms length
March 23, 2024, 09:27:32 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 08:48:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 08:38:22 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 08:10:47 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 23, 2024, 06:32:14 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 06:04:30 PMIf any individual has perpetrated domestic violence then there is no role for them in the organisation.

If there is a public accusation but no formal conviction then surely a club/county cannot just ignore it? You would have to satisfy yourself that there was nothing in the accusation. You can't just hope for the best in a matter of this seriousness. The club/county (and their sponsors at the very least) would need to know that when asked about the matter that the accused can issue a full and frank denial, not just a statement like "sure that has all been dealt with".

That is the hurdle that has to be surmounted.

A different point related to this issue. If an issue is discussed on social media AND is also separately reported to the authorities, or the accuser or witnesses make themselves available for direct discussions on the matter you cannot dismiss it as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob". Personally I would worry about the mentality of anyone who brings dismissive language to a debate on this particular issue. Maybe that is just me.

The gaa don't have any power or authority to investigate private individuals of any crime or accusation outside of the gaa. In fact, it could be considered an invasion of privacy.
So how could they satisfy themselves that there was nothing to the accusation?
It has to be based on what the police/social services decide as they are the authority in the case.

For me it's black and white.

Absolutely if someone is being investigated for a crime the gaa should consider what action to take while that is happening. Sensible thing is to temporarily suspend with no prejudice pending the outcome of external investigations if the alleged crime is of a certain level of seriousness.

I haven't seen anyone use dismissive language on the issue or do anything other than condemn abuse so I'm not sure where you are coming g from on that.



Note that I referred the issue to the club or county contemplating the potential appointment, not the GAA.

Anyone can see that questions will be asked of any club/county appointing RG. The most obvious question being "how did you get comfortable that he is innocent of the allegations?". Given the seriousness of the allegations and refusal to answer that question or a response that was to the effect of "we didn't think it merited consideration" or "we asked him and he said that that it was already investigated by someone else and we thought sure that's all right then". Sponsors would run a mile.

The first step would have to be what RG himself when asked the inevitable question in public. If he was asked the basic question of did he beat his former partner and the only answer he could give was that "it was already investigated by someone else" then would remain unappointable.

On the dismissive language point I have already referred to the 2 examples ie referring to this as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob" are both examples of dismissive language.


No social media and no social media mob and there is no investigation by the Ulster Council. That is 2hy those terms have been used multiple times. You're happy enough for trial by social media to supersede the court of law? Where would that get us?

There is no dismissive language in here at all regarding this, none at all.

Show the bit where I said that trial by social media should supersede a court of law?

I have said again if an accusation is made to the authorities and is supported by at least one witness who makes themselves available for further questions and this is repeated or reported on social media that does not mean that it is trial by social media. To then refer it to as trial by social media and ignore the fact that a witness has supported the allegation and made themselves available then that is dismissive language. If you know the witness is lying then call them a liar but don't dismiss their existence or their testimony.

You're clearly just trying to get annoyed. Again, social media was mentioned as it was the catalyst for the Ulster Council investigation. I'm dismissing no witness ffs. For what it's worth, if anyone is guilty of such a crime, throw away the key.
#23
GAA Discussion / Re: RG at arms length
March 23, 2024, 08:38:22 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 08:10:47 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 23, 2024, 06:32:14 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 23, 2024, 06:04:30 PMIf any individual has perpetrated domestic violence then there is no role for them in the organisation.

If there is a public accusation but no formal conviction then surely a club/county cannot just ignore it? You would have to satisfy yourself that there was nothing in the accusation. You can't just hope for the best in a matter of this seriousness. The club/county (and their sponsors at the very least) would need to know that when asked about the matter that the accused can issue a full and frank denial, not just a statement like "sure that has all been dealt with".

That is the hurdle that has to be surmounted.

A different point related to this issue. If an issue is discussed on social media AND is also separately reported to the authorities, or the accuser or witnesses make themselves available for direct discussions on the matter you cannot dismiss it as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob". Personally I would worry about the mentality of anyone who brings dismissive language to a debate on this particular issue. Maybe that is just me.

The gaa don't have any power or authority to investigate private individuals of any crime or accusation outside of the gaa. In fact, it could be considered an invasion of privacy.
So how could they satisfy themselves that there was nothing to the accusation?
It has to be based on what the police/social services decide as they are the authority in the case.

For me it's black and white.

Absolutely if someone is being investigated for a crime the gaa should consider what action to take while that is happening. Sensible thing is to temporarily suspend with no prejudice pending the outcome of external investigations if the alleged crime is of a certain level of seriousness.

I haven't seen anyone use dismissive language on the issue or do anything other than condemn abuse so I'm not sure where you are coming g from on that.



Note that I referred the issue to the club or county contemplating the potential appointment, not the GAA.

Anyone can see that questions will be asked of any club/county appointing RG. The most obvious question being "how did you get comfortable that he is innocent of the allegations?". Given the seriousness of the allegations and refusal to answer that question or a response that was to the effect of "we didn't think it merited consideration" or "we asked him and he said that that it was already investigated by someone else and we thought sure that's all right then". Sponsors would run a mile.

The first step would have to be what RG himself when asked the inevitable question in public. If he was asked the basic question of did he beat his former partner and the only answer he could give was that "it was already investigated by someone else" then would remain unappointable.

On the dismissive language point I have already referred to the 2 examples ie referring to this as "trial by social media" or a "social media mob" are both examples of dismissive language.


No social media and no social media mob and there is no investigation by the Ulster Council. That is 2hy those terms have been used multiple times. You're happy enough for trial by social media to supersede the court of law? Where would that get us?

There is no dismissive language in here at all regarding this, none at all.
#24
General discussion / Re: Insurance
March 23, 2024, 07:24:10 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 23, 2024, 07:20:26 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 22, 2024, 02:33:39 PMI enjoy the fact that speeding penalty points stay on your record for 4 years, but insurance companies keep them on their records for 5 years.. Nice wee additional earner for them

In Northern Ireland penalty points will appear on your licence for 4 years if imposed at the roadside or 5 years if imposed at court.  In either scenario they will only count for 3 years from date of incident.

Thanks David
#25
GAA Discussion / Re: RG at arms length
March 23, 2024, 02:14:15 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 23, 2024, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 01:41:35 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 23, 2024, 12:54:02 PM
Quote from: general_lee on March 23, 2024, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?

If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?
When  allegations of violence against women/kids are reported to the police and they start an investigation, then the GAA are obliged by charter to stand down the accused  ntil the investigation is over. This did not happen in Nicola's case. RG was not stood down while the police investigated her allegations twice, sent  the files on to the prosecutor where they were dropped. As it stands now for RG in the GAA code book world, he's free to take up any coaching appointment. I doubt if there is any process for investigating a breach of GAA ethics or what could even be defined as a breach. Possibly if there was an attack on a woman on GAA property?
 
On other matters,
a father accused of abuse being awarded custody of the kids is in itself not a vindication of the father, as the UK courts/social services  (even when presented with believable testimony) are likely to deem a spouse abusing husband a safer bet than an addicted or alcohol troubled mother. Even going for full custody is another form of abuse to punish the abused spouse.  Can an abuser expertly manipulate? does a bear shite in the woods?




What charter is this? Any examples of this charter being adhered to in relation to other investigations previously?

I'd assume he means the safeguarding policy.

I'm not sure the sequence of events describe here are correct though. It was my understanding the investigation happened long before any of these claims had been made online. So by the time his ex wife put it in the public domain the police investigation had already happened. In that case, the gaa has no grounds to do anything and also shouldn't be questioning any social services decisions around his kids.

I could be wrong g on the sequencing, but that was my understanding of what happened.

Just to reiterate though, if he was proved to have done what he was accused of, I'd be the first to say only place for him is prison.

This relates to the safeguarding of children though does it not?
#26
GAA Discussion / Re: RG at arms length
March 23, 2024, 01:41:35 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 23, 2024, 12:54:02 PM
Quote from: general_lee on March 23, 2024, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?
Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?

If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?
When  allegations of violence against women/kids are reported to the police and they start an investigation, then the GAA are obliged by charter to stand down the accused  ntil the investigation is over. This did not happen in Nicola's case. RG was not stood down while the police investigated her allegations twice, sent  the files on to the prosecutor where they were dropped. As it stands now for RG in the GAA code book world, he's free to take up any coaching appointment. I doubt if there is any process for investigating a breach of GAA ethics or what could even be defined as a breach. Possibly if there was an attack on a woman on GAA property?
 
On other matters,
a father accused of abuse being awarded custody of the kids is in itself not a vindication of the father, as the UK courts/social services  (even when presented with believable testimony) are likely to deem a spouse abusing husband a safer bet than an addicted or alcohol troubled mother. Even going for full custody is another form of abuse to punish the abused spouse.  Can an abuser expertly manipulate? does a bear shite in the woods?




What charter is this? Any examples of this charter being adhered to in relation to other investigations previously?
#27
GAA Discussion / Re: RG at arms length
March 23, 2024, 11:11:39 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 23, 2024, 10:57:52 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 23, 2024, 10:22:07 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

The mob has moved on re the Gallagher's and they're the reason the GAA / Ulster council went full Ironside. We're the ones still talking about the Gallagher's, that lot (the faceless mob) haven't given them a second thought in months

The point not being Gallagher, but how to cope in a world where there can be such a mob. What happens if an inter-county manager condemns the level of immigration into Ireland or states that Trans is a load of bollix?
Buy him a pint? ;)

"know your enemy..."
#28
GAA Discussion / Re: RG at arms length
March 23, 2024, 10:49:12 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 23, 2024, 10:22:07 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2024, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

The mob has moved on re the Gallagher's and they're the reason the GAA / Ulster council went full Ironside. We're the ones still talking about the Gallagher's, that lot (the faceless mob) haven't given them a second thought in months

The point not being Gallagher, but how to cope in a world where there can be such a mob. What happens if an inter-county manager condemns the level of immigration into Ireland or states that Trans is a load of bollix?

They wield the power these days, a crowd who's full time hobby is being angry online, most probably still living at home with their parents.

You'd hope inter county managers wouldn't be hoodwinked by the worlds billionaires and their right wing media distractions  ;)
#29
GAA Discussion / Re: RG at arms length
March 23, 2024, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 23, 2024, 09:53:54 AMWere DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

The mob has moved on re the Gallagher's and they're the reason the GAA / Ulster council went full Ironside. We're the ones still talking about the Gallagher's, that lot (the faceless mob) haven't given them a second thought in months
#30
GAA Discussion / Re: The Advanced Mark
March 22, 2024, 06:22:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 22, 2024, 12:40:16 PMIf there were no advanced mark it would be worse and the stats have shown this.

Maybe I'm picking this up wrong, but you think removing the advanced mark would make the game worse?