All Ireland Quarter Final;Roscommon v Mayo Sunday July 30th

Started by maigheo, July 23, 2017, 01:51:01 PM

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Lar Naparka

Quote from: heffo on August 04, 2017, 10:21:49 PM
Are there really no other players pushing to breakthrough in Mayo?

Must the only 'top' county that hasn't changed up the team to any degree
There has been very little changes of personnel since James Horan, never mind Stephen Rochford took over.
Courtesy of Willie Joe, here  is the list of current players who played in the 2013 final. That's 15 in all who are still very much there four years later.
Robbie Hennelly, Ger Cafferkey, Chris Barrett; Lee Keegan,  Donal Vaughan, Colm Boyle, Aidan O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea, Kevin McLoughlin, Keith Higgins, Alan Dillon,  Cillian O'Connor and Andy Moran  Subs: Barry Moran and Jason Doherty.
Really, only three have come through since then who have a realistic chance of starting in a championship game; Paddy Durcan, Diarmuid O'Connor and Brendan Harrison.
There are a few handy bucks alright who are on the fringe but, apart from Conor Loftus, none are setting the world alight.
I'm not saying that change for the sake of it is necessarily a good thing but Mayo's low turnover of players means that they are not bringing anything different or unexpected into their game. Mayo are predictable and any team they might meet from here onwards will be very aware of this fact. To add to our misfortune, our manager or any others from the recent past, are not noted for their tactical judgement.
Right now, I think Kevin McStay is a shrewder tactician than Stephen Rochford and God knows, Rochford is miles in front of Holmes & Connelly or James Horan.
If we win on Monday, Eamonn Fitz lies ahead and he's as cute a hoor as ever came out of Kerry. If we do make it to the final somehow, the odds are that Jim Gavin won't be losing any sleep over the prospect of coming up against Rochford and, God between us and small farms, if it's Tyrone and Mickey Harte we're doomed entirely!
Of course a good display on Monday would work wonders for the morale, but I'm hopeful rather than confident of that.
Nil Carborundum Illegitemi

Rossfan

Quote from: blast05 on August 04, 2017, 11:57:57 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 04, 2017, 10:56:45 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 04, 2017, 10:53:42 PM
Thankfully Leroy is starting.
Looks like there was a scare
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2017/08/04/4144050-lee-keegan-fitness-fears-allayed-ahead-of-replay/

He went to the hospital for precautionary treatment.... not his GP, not the team doc.... strange
Probably total fiction to get us to think we'll have it handy.
No one buying it (except Syfīn of course)
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

omagh_gael

How long will it be until Mayo suffer the same fate as Donegal and are forced into a huge overhaul of their older players following a blitz of retirements. Who would be the main candidates to pull the plug over the next three years? Andy? Higgins? Boyle?

Syferus

Quote from: Rossfan on August 05, 2017, 12:20:22 AM
Quote from: blast05 on August 04, 2017, 11:57:57 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 04, 2017, 10:56:45 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 04, 2017, 10:53:42 PM
Thankfully Leroy is starting.
Looks like there was a scare
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2017/08/04/4144050-lee-keegan-fitness-fears-allayed-ahead-of-replay/

He went to the hospital for precautionary treatment.... not his GP, not the team doc.... strange
Probably total fiction to get us to think we'll have it handy.
No one buying it (except Syfīn of course)

Err, everyone is buying it besides the people with conspiracy-adled minds.

macdanger2

Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2017, 11:57:12 PM

macdanger, unless we start naming Kilroy at 4.5 you're never going to accurately position the players on a teamsheet. If Rochford can't tell each player's roll by now he's in for a very long Monday and a very short reign as Mayo manager.

I see. So what you're saying is that every teamsheet is bollix until the game actually starts?

Does that mean we don't have a huge tactical advantage?   ::)

Syferus

Quote from: macdanger2 on August 05, 2017, 12:38:35 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2017, 11:57:12 PM

macdanger, unless we start naming Kilroy at 4.5 you're never going to accurately position the players on a teamsheet. If Rochford can't tell each player's roll by now he's in for a very long Monday and a very short reign as Mayo manager.

I see. So what you're saying is that every teamsheet is bollix until the game actually starts?

Does that mean we don't have a huge tactical advantage?   ::)

Our team sheet is entirely correct and from what I know the most of the players will be playing in their selected positions, so I really don't know what you're even getting at here.

Rochford is the one lying to the public by pretending Parsons isn't going to start in the vain hope it bestows him some advantage.

seafoid

Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 05, 2017, 12:12:20 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 04, 2017, 10:21:49 PM
Are there really no other players pushing to breakthrough in Mayo?

Must the only 'top' county that hasn't changed up the team to any degree
There has been very little changes of personnel since James Horan, never mind Stephen Rochford took over.
Courtesy of Willie Joe, here  is the list of current players who played in the 2013 final. That's 15 in all who are still very much there four years later.
Robbie Hennelly, Ger Cafferkey, Chris Barrett; Lee Keegan,  Donal Vaughan, Colm Boyle, Aidan O'Shea, Seamus O'Shea, Kevin McLoughlin, Keith Higgins, Alan Dillon,  Cillian O'Connor and Andy Moran  Subs: Barry Moran and Jason Doherty.
Really, only three have come through since then who have a realistic chance of starting in a championship game; Paddy Durcan, Diarmuid O'Connor and Brendan Harrison.
There are a few handy bucks alright who are on the fringe but, apart from Conor Loftus, none are setting the world alight.
I'm not saying that change for the sake of it is necessarily a good thing but Mayo's low turnover of players means that they are not bringing anything different or unexpected into their game. Mayo are predictable and any team they might meet from here onwards will be very aware of this fact. To add to our misfortune, our manager or any others from the recent past, are not noted for their tactical judgement.
Right now, I think Kevin McStay is a shrewder tactician than Stephen Rochford and God knows, Rochford is miles in front of Holmes & Connelly or James Horan.
If we win on Monday, Eamonn Fitz lies ahead and he's as cute a hoor as ever came out of Kerry. If we do make it to the final somehow, the odds are that Jim Gavin won't be losing any sleep over the prospect of coming up against Rochford and, God between us and small farms, if it's Tyrone and Mickey Harte we're doomed entirely!
Of course a good display on Monday would work wonders for the morale, but I'm hopeful rather than confident of that.
"God between us and small farms". On bad land. But the land isnt much better in Roscommon.

blast05

Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2017, 12:07:29 AM
Quote from: blast05 on August 05, 2017, 12:03:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2017, 11:57:12 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 04, 2017, 10:56:45 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 04, 2017, 10:53:42 PM
Thankfully Leroy is starting.
Looks like there was a scare
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2017/08/04/4144050-lee-keegan-fitness-fears-allayed-ahead-of-replay/

Usually what happens in these situations is the player plays but at significantly less than 100%, so you should have plenty of feats left about Keegan. Diarmuid Murtagh wasn't 100% after his ankle injury three weeks ago and he wasn't getting treatment the Thursday before a match.

macdanger, unless we start naming Kilroy at 4.5 you're never going to accurately position the players on a teamsheet. If Rochford can't tell each player's roll by now he's in for a very long Monday and a very short reign as Mayo manager.

Actually, what usually what happens in these situations is completely different in every bloody case ffs  ..... depends on the what the concern is. But feel free to waste another 5-10 minutes of your life speculating with more bolloux talk

If you think a lad sitting out training and having to get treatment at a hospital a few days before a match is ideal in any way whatsoever you're off on whatever planet the people on MayoGAABlog are on. Bodies take time to heal. Keegan does not have time. Keegan would be starting Monday if his arm was hanging off in all likelihood, this is far too big a match for Rochford for him not to play his PotY.

Your passion for all things Rossies is to be admired. Your hatred for Mayo is a bit.... well, boring, at this stage.
Couple these with an irrational arrogance and inflated opinion on the value of your ramblings (you remind me of Tony Fearon on this board in the late '90s when he declared himself as the doyen of GAA discussion boards in a letter to a newspaper... we all laughed) and it all culminates in everyone largely dismissing your posts as nonsense despite a very occassional word of wisdom being contained within them.
As for Lee's blister - posting wishful thoughts on how it will affect him without any factual argument to back up your posts........ well, let's just say your post on this occasion  wouldn't fit into that category of having occassional words of wisdom

Syferus

Quote from: blast05 on August 05, 2017, 01:17:16 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2017, 12:07:29 AM
Quote from: blast05 on August 05, 2017, 12:03:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2017, 11:57:12 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 04, 2017, 10:56:45 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 04, 2017, 10:53:42 PM
Thankfully Leroy is starting.
Looks like there was a scare
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2017/08/04/4144050-lee-keegan-fitness-fears-allayed-ahead-of-replay/

Usually what happens in these situations is the player plays but at significantly less than 100%, so you should have plenty of feats left about Keegan. Diarmuid Murtagh wasn't 100% after his ankle injury three weeks ago and he wasn't getting treatment the Thursday before a match.

macdanger, unless we start naming Kilroy at 4.5 you're never going to accurately position the players on a teamsheet. If Rochford can't tell each player's roll by now he's in for a very long Monday and a very short reign as Mayo manager.

Actually, what usually what happens in these situations is completely different in every bloody case ffs  ..... depends on the what the concern is. But feel free to waste another 5-10 minutes of your life speculating with more bolloux talk

If you think a lad sitting out training and having to get treatment at a hospital a few days before a match is ideal in any way whatsoever you're off on whatever planet the people on MayoGAABlog are on. Bodies take time to heal. Keegan does not have time. Keegan would be starting Monday if his arm was hanging off in all likelihood, this is far too big a match for Rochford for him not to play his PotY.

Your passion for all things Rossies is to be admired. Your hatred for Mayo is a bit.... well, boring, at this stage.
Couple these with an irrational arrogance and inflated opinion on the value of your ramblings (you remind me of Tony Fearon on this board in the late '90s when he declared himself as the doyen of GAA discussion boards in a letter to a newspaper... we all laughed) and it all culminates in everyone largely dismissing your posts as nonsense despite a very occassional word of wisdom being contained within them.
As for Lee's blister - posting wishful thoughts on how it will affect him without any factual argument to back up your posts........ well, let's just say your post on this occasion  wouldn't fit into that category of having occassional words of wisdom

I'm sure Keegan was just visiting the hospital for the craic alright.

I'd like you to point how anything I said could be conceivably taken as hating Mayo while you're at it. The rest is genuinely nonsensical stuff intended to bolster your own ego rather than add to any salient point.

seafoid


mrhardyannual

A hamstring or groin strain might give cause for concern over Keegan but unless a blister was huge it would be unlikely to hamper him greatly. Despite all the talk about Mayo's lack of options I think the panel is deeper now than it has been in the past. The main problem seems to be one of concentration and focus. When the backs have been to the wall the team seems to be able to find a gear and kick on. With no disrespect to Roscommon, I think all the attention of the team has been on playing two big games at the end of the season v Kerry & Dublin. This lack of focus on the team in front of them has nearly led to their demise against Derry and Ros and could do so again on Monday. However I remain confident that we will kick on again.

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Cunny Funt

Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 05, 2017, 11:34:44 AM
A hamstring or groin strain might give cause for concern over Keegan but unless a blister was huge it would be unlikely to hamper him greatly. Despite all the talk about Mayo's lack of options I think the panel is deeper now than it has been in the past. The main problem seems to be one of concentration and focus. When the backs have been to the wall the team seems to be able to find a gear and kick on. With no disrespect to Roscommon, I think all the attention of the team has been on playing two big games at the end of the season v Kerry & Dublin. This lack of focus on the team in front of them has nearly led to their demise against Derry and Ros and could do so again on Monday. However I remain confident that we will kick on again.
There isn't some kind of magical button for Rockford to turn on if this Quarter final is won, Mayos form has been at consistent level under Rochford and the focus the same throughout e.g make yourself hard to beat. As for the "deeper" panel in options well how many of the subs namely Kirby,Coen,Nally,Boland,Regan,Drake,Loftus would be classed as established senior county players?


Lar Naparka

Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2017, 12:35:56 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 05, 2017, 12:20:22 AM
Quote from: blast05 on August 04, 2017, 11:57:57 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 04, 2017, 10:56:45 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 04, 2017, 10:53:42 PM
Thankfully Leroy is starting.
Looks like there was a scare
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2017/08/04/4144050-lee-keegan-fitness-fears-allayed-ahead-of-replay/

He went to the hospital for precautionary treatment.... not his GP, not the team doc.... strange
Probably total fiction to get us to think we'll have it handy.
No one buying it (except Syfīn of course)

Err, everyone is buying it besides the people with conspiracy-adled minds.
Syferus, a mhac, I've been feeling distinctly uneasy for the last few days. Couldn't be quite sure of what was causing my angst but it had something to do with this board.
Suddenly I came across the post I'm responding to and everything clicked into place.
Believe it or not, I am genuinely concerned about you behaviour on the board. I know, the rest of humanity will think I'm as much on the Kildare side as you are but I still think you are a sound bloke; dysfunctional okay but not the worst I've come across.
I stuck up a post the other night ay 12:08 because I was bored, facing a long bus trip and had been without sleep for a long time. Anyway, I got my facts wrong, as you were quick to point out.
Fair enough, except that you were far too quick for my p[eace of mind.
You replied at 12:20, about 12 minutes later. I imagine that you had to head to RTE.ie, do a screen grab, crop it and then upload it to Flickr before linking it to your post.
You said the image was "taken 5 minutes ago."
Give or take a minute or so, you had to have read my post less than 7 minutes after I had posted it. After midnight and you were still on the alert for fresh posts!!
Do you take a break at all?
You keep on and on about conspiracies and hatred as if you feel that everyone else is out to get you. You asked me recently if I hated Roscommon more than I hated Dublin-- or something like that.
FFS, why would I hate either? If Ross beats Mayo on Monday, I hope they go the full distance- no problem with that. I'd safely say most Mayo fans would do likewise and most Rossies would reciprocate.
Your obsession with all things Mayo is patently obvious to most who post here as you can gather from the amount of dismissive, sarcastic and totally heartfelt responses you keep getting.
I don't mind a bit of slaggiing and maybe I do like knocking a few baas out of any sheep in my way from time to time but the only one who still doesn't cop on is you.
Maybe you should take an overdue break.
I am being serious ; chill out and enjoy life; we only get one chance to do so.
Nil Carborundum Illegitemi

manfromdelmonte

Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 05, 2017, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 05, 2017, 12:35:56 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 05, 2017, 12:20:22 AM
Quote from: blast05 on August 04, 2017, 11:57:57 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 04, 2017, 10:56:45 PM
Quote from: highorlow on August 04, 2017, 10:53:42 PM
Thankfully Leroy is starting.
Looks like there was a scare
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2017/08/04/4144050-lee-keegan-fitness-fears-allayed-ahead-of-replay/

He went to the hospital for precautionary treatment.... not his GP, not the team doc.... strange
Probably total fiction to get us to think we'll have it handy.
No one buying it (except Syfīn of course)

Err, everyone is buying it besides the people with conspiracy-adled minds.
Syferus, a mhac, I've been feeling distinctly uneasy for the last few days. Couldn't be quite sure of what was causing my angst but it had something to do with this board.
Suddenly I came across the post I'm responding to and everything clicked into place.
Believe it or not, I am genuinely concerned about you behaviour on the board. I know, the rest of humanity will think I'm as much on the Kildare side as you are but I still think you are a sound bloke; dysfunctional okay but not the worst I've come across.
I stuck up a post the other night ay 12:08 because I was bored, facing a long bus trip and had been without sleep for a long time. Anyway, I got my facts wrong, as you were quick to point out.
Fair enough, except that you were far too quick for my p[eace of mind.
You replied at 12:20, about 12 minutes later. I imagine that you had to head to RTE.ie, do a screen grab, crop it and then upload it to Flickr before linking it to your post.
You said the image was "taken 5 minutes ago."
Give or take a minute or so, you had to have read my post less than 7 minutes after I had posted it. After midnight and you were still on the alert for fresh posts!!
Do you take a break at all?
You keep on and on about conspiracies and hatred as if you feel that everyone else is out to get you. You asked me recently if I hated Roscommon more than I hated Dublin-- or something like that.
FFS, why would I hate either? If Ross beats Mayo on Monday, I hope they go the full distance- no problem with that. I'd safely say most Mayo fans would do likewise and most Rossies would reciprocate.
Your obsession with all things Mayo is patently obvious to most who post here as you can gather from the amount of dismissive, sarcastic and totally heartfelt responses you keep getting.
I don't mind a bit of slaggiing and maybe I do like knocking a few baas out of any sheep in my way from time to time but the only one who still doesn't cop on is you.
Maybe you should take an overdue break.
I am being serious ; chill out and enjoy life; we only get one chance to do so.
exactly
real life doesn't happen on the internet
go out around Lough Gara for a cycle or something and relieve some of the frustrations