The odds at time of posting are Dublin 4/11, Mayo 11/4 and the draw at 10/1. It's a reflection of Dublin's current dominance that the 4/11 seems generous. :-[ Sure please God Mayo will keep it kicked out to them for a half, anyway.
One thing's for sure, Mayo won't fear Dublin.
As said earlier the Presentation of the Cup should have been today, get it over a done with. This was the real Final. Save everyone in Mayo a lot of expense, Time and Heartache. What have Mayo done to get this far? Who have they beaten? They even lost to a average Galway side. Struggled against Fermanagh, Westmeath and Tipp! They are to long on the road. Burned out and running virtually on empty! If Cork, Donegal, Kerry were on Mayo's side of the draw they would be in the final. We have no full back. We have no marquee forwards. We will never get over our Croke Park hoodoo! How the hell did we get here? How the hell are we here or there abouts every year?
Mayo could be six or seven up on Dublin at the half and they will still lose this one.
We are witnessing the best football team of all time underlining that status.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2016, 08:02:27 PM
As said earlier the Presentation of the Cup should have been today, get it over a done with. This was the real Final. Save everyone in Mayo a lot of expense, Time and Heartache. What have Mayo done to get this far? Who have they beaten? They even lost to a average Galway side. Struggled against Fermanagh, Westmeath and Tipp! They are to long on the road. Burned out and running virtually on empty! If Cork, Donegal, Kerry were on Mayo's side of the draw they would be in the final. We have no full back. We have no marquee forwards. We will never get over our Croke Park hoodoo! How the hell did we get here? How the hell are we here or there abouts every year?
Get the week after booked off - Muppet has the homecoming week in Castlebar already mapped out.
Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2016, 08:08:45 PM
Mayo could be six or seven up on Dublin at the half and they will still lose this one.
We are witnessing the best football team of all time underlining that status.
I dunno, I think the Mayo middle eight match up pretty well against Dublin.
Mayo will have plenty of the ball, it's up to them to make good use of it.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2016, 08:24:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2016, 08:08:45 PM
Mayo could be six or seven up on Dublin at the half and they will still lose this one.
We are witnessing the best football team of all time underlining that status.
I dunno, I think the Mayo middle eight match up pretty well against Dublin.
Mayo will have plenty of the ball, it's up to them to make good use of it.
The same middle 8 that came out second best to Kildare?
We are looking at a Dublin 6+ point win If Mayo bring their season form into this All Ireland final. Mayos best hope is for them to find their previous championship form on the day. Mayos record against defending All Ireland champions can't be ignored Dublin found out first hand themselves in 2012 and Dublin while talked up as great already it should be noted they haven't won back to back senior All Irelands since the 70s.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2016, 08:24:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2016, 08:08:45 PM
Mayo could be six or seven up on Dublin at the half and they will still lose this one.
We are witnessing the best football team of all time underlining that status.
I dunno, I think the Mayo middle eight match up pretty well against Dublin.
Mayo will have plenty of the ball, it's up to them to make good use of it.
Mayo have a lot more pace then Kerry.
Defensively the match ups are better. Keegan is Connolly's nemesis.
Mayo's midfield has to be good to win.
You can't give Dublin short kick-outs.
Can Mayo kick a winning score.
Think Mayo are pacier and more mobile than Kerry but maybe don't have the ability to create scores that Kerry do.
Dublin have showed they're vulnerable without two of the best defenders in the game.
It's wide open.
Will Mayo try and rough Dublin up before throw in again?
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 28, 2016, 08:02:27 PM
As said earlier the Presentation of the Cup should have been today, get it over a done with. This was the real Final. Save everyone in Mayo a lot of expense, Time and Heartache. What have Mayo done to get this far? Who have they beaten? They even lost to a average Galway side. Struggled against Fermanagh, Westmeath and Tipp! They are to long on the road. Burned out and running virtually on empty! If Cork, Donegal, Kerry were on Mayo's side of the draw they would be in the final. We have no full back. We have no marquee forwards. We will never get over our Croke Park hoodoo! How the hell did we get here? How the hell are we here or there abouts every year?
Ochón is Ochón ó
The Dub full back line is there for the taking. 2 goals before half time and Mayo could be on their way.
Quote from: heffo on August 28, 2016, 08:41:29 PM
Think Mayo are pacier and more mobile than Kerry but maybe don't have the ability to create scores that Kerry do.
Dublin have showed they're vulnerable without two of the best defenders in the game.
It's wide open.
Agree with the first part. We are a better match athletically but we just don't have Kerry's scoring power, if we could combine the two teams I'd say we'd have a chance of beating the dubs.
Dublin didn't look too vulnerable today in the main. Once they got over the wobble before halftime and Cluxton recovered from his brain farts, the dubs looked reasonably assured again.
The odds tell the story, we're really up against it this time. The dubs look as good as last year by and large and we seem to have regressed. A big 70 mins from the green and red is required to show they are still a force and see if that's enough to bridge the gap. It might be in there.........somewhere
Quote from: heffo on August 28, 2016, 08:41:29 PM
Think Mayo are pacier and more mobile than Kerry but maybe don't have the ability to create scores that Kerry do.
Dublin have showed they're vulnerable without two of the best defenders in the game.
It's wide open.
Agreed. Hopefully we get another titanic battle like today.
Quote from: seafoid on August 28, 2016, 09:18:12 PM
The Dub full back line is there for the taking. 2 goals before half time and Mayo could be on their way.
Neither of which were really the full back line's fault.
Can I get an update on the status cursed team before I make a prediction on this one?
Last I heard was there was only 2 left....
Quote from: seafoid on August 28, 2016, 09:18:12 PM
The Dub full back line is there for the taking. 2 goals before half time and Mayo could be on their way.
Alternate Barry Moran between full-back and full-forward?
Mayo are going to win this and there won't be a cow milked for about 8 months.
Would Andy Moran and Jonny cooper be a typical match up.
Has there ever been such a mismatch in a final?
In my lifetime maybe Cork v Down,
Mayo v Kerry... pick any year you want.
Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2016, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 28, 2016, 09:18:12 PM
The Dub full back line is there for the taking. 2 goals before half time and Mayo could be on their way.
Neither of which were really the full back line's fault.
Whist, hold up, the games top analyser has spoken, if he says the full back line weren't at fault then who are we to disagree, as usual he was spot on again with today's prediction, I believe that was that the Dubs would hammer Kerry, spot on again sir!
Mayo should have beaten the Dubs last year and the Dubs have lost two of their better defenses since then. Kerry showed today that the Dubs are beatable and for my money Mayo have a management team who are well able to come up with a gameplan to win the game and experienced players who have been around long enough, to confidently implement it. I hope Mayo can pull it off and I'd be tempted at odds approaching 3/1. Looking forward to a cracking final.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2016, 10:18:58 PM
Has there ever been such a mismatch in a final?
In my lifetime maybe Cork v Down,
You mean that game Cork won by a single point?
My tuppence is that Mayo are a better team than Kerry, so if they bring the same intensity to it as the kingdom did today, then it'll be close enough.
Kerry's scoring power is overrated. Paul Geaney aside there's none of them hit a return worth talking about today.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2016, 07:46:10 PM
One thing's for sure, Mayo won't fear Dublin.
For sure. Mayo have nothing to lose either now - apart from another AI final.
At this stage I can empathise with a prison chaplain attending executions. It's an unnerving, messy business but you have to attend.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 28, 2016, 10:35:09 PM
Mayo should have beaten the Dubs last year and the Dubs have lost two of their better defenses since then. Kerry showed today that the Dubs are beatable and for my money Mayo have a management team who are well able to come up with a gameplan to win the game and experienced players who have been around long enough, to confidently implement it. I hope Mayo can pull it off and I'd be tempted at odds approaching 3/1. Looking forward to a cracking final.
Can you outline for the rest of us where Mayo are going to get a winning score from?
On bad day Dublin average 0-17.
I'd love to see Mayo win an AI. I don't have the perceived dislike Mayo think we have of them. I think it's be great for the game. The problem is I just can't see them outscoring Dublin. Their half forwards barely score 0-1 a game outside DOC against top class opposition.
Sure we'll go up for then look anyway.
Paul Flynn must be carrying an injury, not the same player of a few years ago.
On Kerry, had to smile at Spillanes comment of Kerry dying with their boots on....5 points and 3 points up at different stages. We know the narrative that we'd get if Mayo did that and lost.... :-X
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2016, 11:07:14 PM
Sure we'll go up for then look anyway.
Paul Flynn must be carrying an injury, not the same player of a few years ago.
On Kerry, had to smile at Spillanes comment of Kerry dying with their boots on....5 points and 3 points up at different stages. We know the narrative that we'd get if Mayo did that and lost.... :-X
Aye, very little mention of choking and lack of natural markey forwards
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 28, 2016, 10:35:09 PM
Mayo should have beaten the Dubs last year and the Dubs have lost two of their better defenses since then. Kerry showed today that the Dubs are beatable and for my money Mayo have a management team who are well able to come up with a gameplan to win the game and experienced players who have been around long enough, to confidently implement it. I hope Mayo can pull it off and I'd be tempted at odds approaching 3/1. Looking forward to a cracking final.
I think Kerry today showed Dublin extremely difficult to beat rather than beatable.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2016, 11:07:14 PM
Sure we'll go up for then look anyway.
Paul Flynn must be carrying an injury, not the same player of a few years ago.
On Kerry, had to smile at Spillanes comment of Kerry dying with their boots on....5 points and 3 points up at different stages. We know the narrative that we'd get if Mayo did that and lost.... :-X
Mayo can match Dublin in most areas. If they get 2-3 goals they can win. It's hard to credit it based on their form so far. But they are the team most likely to beat Dublin
Quote from: thewobbler on August 28, 2016, 10:56:24 PM
My tuppence is that Mayo are a better team than Kerry, so if they bring the same intensity to it as the kingdom did today, then it'll be close enough.
Better based on what? Going on this years form this Mayo team wouldnt have beaten that Kerry team.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2016, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2016, 11:07:14 PM
Sure we'll go up for then look anyway.
Paul Flynn must be carrying an injury, not the same player of a few years ago.
On Kerry, had to smile at Spillanes comment of Kerry dying with their boots on....5 points and 3 points up at different stages. We know the narrative that we'd get if Mayo did that and lost.... :-X
Mayo can match Dublin in most areas. If they get 2-3 goals they can win. It's hard to credit it based on their form so far. But they are the team most likely to beat Dublin
Hard to imagine anyone else doing it this year alright.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2016, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2016, 11:07:14 PM
Sure we'll go up for then look anyway.
Paul Flynn must be carrying an injury, not the same player of a few years ago.
On Kerry, had to smile at Spillanes comment of Kerry dying with their boots on....5 points and 3 points up at different stages. We know the narrative that we'd get if Mayo did that and lost.... :-X
Mayo can match Dublin in most areas. If they get 2-3 goals they can win. It's hard to credit it based on their form so far. But they are the team most likely to beat Dublin
That's a fair analysis. Dublin bit like medusa at the minute...Brogan/Flynn have off days like today....Kevin Mc/Rock have stormers and vice versa.
Keegan/Connolly will cancel each other out as usual...
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 28, 2016, 11:14:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 28, 2016, 10:56:24 PM
My tuppence is that Mayo are a better team than Kerry, so if they bring the same intensity to it as the kingdom did today, then it'll be close enough.
Better based on what? Going on this years form this Mayo team wouldnt have beaten that Kerry team.
Unlike Kerry though, Mayo have actually beaten a top class team this season.
Mayo have a core of 8-10 top class players either in or very close to their prime. Kerry have 2 or 3 top class players, 2-3 former top class, and the rest are inconsistent or not good enough.
While the Kingdom might be cute hoors who get unbelievable slices of luck (like cluxton's melt today), Mayo are just a superior side.
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2016, 11:17:23 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2016, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2016, 11:07:14 PM
Sure we'll go up for then look anyway.
Paul Flynn must be carrying an injury, not the same player of a few years ago.
On Kerry, had to smile at Spillanes comment of Kerry dying with their boots on....5 points and 3 points up at different stages. We know the narrative that we'd get if Mayo did that and lost.... :-X
Mayo can match Dublin in most areas. If they get 2-3 goals they can win. It's hard to credit it based on their form so far. But they are the team most likely to beat Dublin
That's a fair analysis. Dublin bit like medusa at the minute...Brogan/Flynn have off days like today....Kevin Mc/Rock have stormers and vice versa.
Keegan/Connolly will cancel each other out as usual...
Yer wan with the snakes on her head?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2016, 11:25:37 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2016, 11:17:23 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2016, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2016, 11:07:14 PM
Sure we'll go up for then look anyway.
Paul Flynn must be carrying an injury, not the same player of a few years ago.
On Kerry, had to smile at Spillanes comment of Kerry dying with their boots on....5 points and 3 points up at different stages. We know the narrative that we'd get if Mayo did that and lost.... :-X
Mayo can match Dublin in most areas. If they get 2-3 goals they can win. It's hard to credit it based on their form so far. But they are the team most likely to beat Dublin
That's a fair analysis. Dublin bit like medusa at the minute...Brogan/Flynn have off days like today....Kevin Mc/Rock have stormers and vice versa.
Keegan/Connolly will cancel each other out as usual...
Yer wan with the snakes on her head?
Aye, have you not seen MDMAs locks this year... :o
Dublin won today without scoring a goal. McMahon butchered a chance when he should have put McMan. in for a gimmie. It took great tackling to keep out Brogan also in a 1 on 1.
If Dublin had scored that early goal, the game could have got very messy for Kerry.
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2016, 11:28:38 PM
Dublin won today without scoring a goal. McMahon butchered a chance when he should have put McMan. in for a gimmie. It took great tackling to keep out Brogan also in a 1 on 1.
If Dublin had scored that early goal, the game could have got very messy for Kerry.
I can't understand how people cN say Mayo are better than Kerry. Kerry might be an aging side but how many of the mayo forwards would make the Kerry side. DOC is the only nailed on. Bottom line is Mayo have lacked the top class forwards to win an all Ireland and nothing they have shown this year changes that fact
Quote from: thewobbler on August 28, 2016, 11:23:06 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 28, 2016, 11:14:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 28, 2016, 10:56:24 PM
My tuppence is that Mayo are a better team than Kerry, so if they bring the same intensity to it as the kingdom did today, then it'll be close enough.
Better based on what? Going on this years form this Mayo team wouldnt have beaten that Kerry team.
Unlike Kerry though, Mayo have actually beaten a top class team this season.
Mayo have a core of 8-10 top class players either in or very close to their prime. Kerry have 2 or 3 top class players, 2-3 former top class, and the rest are inconsistent or not good enough.
While the Kingdom might be cute hoors who get unbelievable slices of luck (like cluxton's melt today), Mayo are just a superior side.
Tyrone a top class side? Maybe in time they will be but certainly not this year Tyrone in truth didn't improve much from last year. This year alone Kerry were the second best team in the league which included a win in MacHale park, Mayo avoided relegation on scoring difference. Kerry won a provincial title Mayo did not and Kerry were more convincing in their victory against Tipperary than Mayo was and Mayo needed a few slices of luck to finally put Tipperary away.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 28, 2016, 11:25:37 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2016, 11:17:23 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2016, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on August 28, 2016, 11:07:14 PM
Sure we'll go up for then look anyway.
Paul Flynn must be carrying an injury, not the same player of a few years ago.
On Kerry, had to smile at Spillanes comment of Kerry dying with their boots on....5 points and 3 points up at different stages. We know the narrative that we'd get if Mayo did that and lost.... :-X
Mayo can match Dublin in most areas. If they get 2-3 goals they can win. It's hard to credit it based on their form so far. But they are the team most likely to beat Dublin
That's a fair analysis. Dublin bit like medusa at the minute...Brogan/Flynn have off days like today....Kevin Mc/Rock have stormers and vice versa.
Keegan/Connolly will cancel each other out as usual...
Yer wan with the snakes on her head?
That's it so.
Tommy Jo Perseus has to start instead of Andy. All Mayo players will carry mirrors so that they don't look at Dublin players directly and turn to stone like we usually do in finals.
Best tactic so far. Can anybody come up with a better one?!
We need a ref that has to drive home to his house in Kiltane or Burrishoole or somewhere like that.
Quote from: muppet on August 29, 2016, 12:11:17 AM
We need a ref that has to drive home to his house in Kiltane or Burrishoole or somewhere like that.
Marty Duffy does a bit of work in Mayo. But he'd screw us more than the Meath lads love too.
Marty is away injured this year anyway.
Padraig Hughes could get the gig but he would probably be a homer as well when the pressure comes on. Then there's McQuillan? It's lose, lose as regards the refs anyway.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2016, 11:02:18 PM
I'd love to see Mayo win an AI. I don't have the perceived dislike Mayo think we have of them. I think it's be great for the game. The problem is I just can't see them outscoring Dublin. Their half forwards barely score 0-1 a game outside DOC against top class opposition.
Dublin - S Cluxton; P McMahon (0-1), J Cooper, D Byrne; J McCarthy, C O'Sullivan, J Small; B Fenton (0-1), M D Macauley;
P Flynn, K McManamon (0-2), C Kilkenny; D Rock (0-12, 8f, 2'45), D Connolly (0-3), B Brogan (0-2)
As opposed to what? Two points?
In all seriousness. 3 (Flynn, Kilkenny and Brogan) out of Dublin's 6 forwards had poor games by their standards. This is down in most part to their Kerry markers but it still worries me.
It will take a performance of epic proportions for us to outscore ye. Need to be at the same intensity as the Donegal 1\4 final in '13. Especially start the game at that intensity and lay down a mark.
Kerrys kickouts were shite , dubs must of got most of their first half scores from them. I dont think fitzmaurice is much use on the line .
McManamon in line for the All-Star his career richly deserves. I think he's in with a great shout for PotY if his form from the last two games carries into the final.
Connolly has had two very down years at his physical peak for a lad some want to label the best player in the country. He's due to rip the hole out of Keegan so I wouldn't be surprised by a MotM performance in the final. Keegan looked at sea on Quinvlan at times the last game and was very lucky not to get sent off, nevermind not picking up a yellow or black.
Quote from: muppet on August 29, 2016, 12:11:17 AM
We need a ref that has to drive home to his house in Kiltane or Burrishoole or somewhere like that.
He can come to Newport for a holiday, he'll get well looked after😜
Quote from: larryin89 on August 29, 2016, 06:20:11 AM
Kerrys kickouts were shite , dubs must of got most of their first half scores from them. I dont think fitzmaurice is much use on the line .
FFS Larry, this is an english language forum (for the most part)... anyway, Up feckin' Mayo! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 29, 2016, 07:40:42 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 29, 2016, 06:20:11 AM
Kerrys kickouts were shite , dubs must of got most of their first half scores from them. I dont think fitzmaurice is much use on the line .
FFS Larry, this is an english language forum (for the most part)... anyway, Up feckin' Mayo! ;)
Should of is formal English at this stage, Fear. So it is!
Quote from: muppet on August 29, 2016, 12:11:17 AM
We need a ref that has to drive home to his house in Kiltane or Burrishoole or somewhere like that.
Nobody fucks with the McManamons
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2016, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 28, 2016, 10:35:09 PM
Mayo should have beaten the Dubs last year and the Dubs have lost two of their better defenses since then. Kerry showed today that the Dubs are beatable and for my money Mayo have a management team who are well able to come up with a gameplan to win the game and experienced players who have been around long enough, to confidently implement it. I hope Mayo can pull it off and I'd be tempted at odds approaching 3/1. Looking forward to a cracking final.
Can you outline for the rest of us where Mayo are going to get a winning score from?
On bad day Dublin average 0-17.
I'd love to see Mayo win an AI. I don't have the perceived dislike Mayo think we have of them. I think it's be great for the game. The problem is I just can't see them outscoring Dublin. Their half forwards barely score 0-1 a game outside DOC against top class opposition.
If they utilize Aiden O'Se and Cillianno'connor correctly there are goals in the Dublin full back line. I'm not saying hoof every ball in but there will be opportunities in the game to exploit them, I expect O'Se to he positioned around the edge of the D to occupy his marker and the sweeper, like Donaghy did on occasion yesterday. It may be a tough ask but a few goals for Mayo may just be enough. For me Dublin can, at times, be quite indisciplined when under pressure, they shit the bed in a game they were cruising in v Donegal until Manniom came on and steady their ship. They did the same again yesterday before half time. These moments must be exploited by Mayo. Lee Keegan, for me, will tie up Connolly who I wouldn't be surprised to see leave the pitch early a la Cavanagh! Connolly is the one that kicks the massive scores, if Mayo do shut this down then it's another big plus. They must also put pressure on Cluxton, be brave and attack the kick out. I feel Mayo are well capable of dominating midfield if Cluxton is forced to go long. I think the Mayo management are clearly more tactically aware than last year, when they very nearly pulled off the victory - Rory O'Connell and Jack McCaffery were massive on those games and they won't be there. Obviously the Dubs are favourites but if I was a Mayo fan, I would be looking a plenty of areas where they could get a significant foothold in the game....,or maybe the Dubs will win by 20 points.
Mayo employed blanket defence in Feb against Dublin and still lost so what will they try this time.
Sorry I meant massed defence its only a blanket when nordies do it
Just had a look at the scoring returns of Mayo, Dublin, Kerry and Donegal over the last 5 years.
Donegal have (surprisingly enough) played most games with 30, followed by Mayo's 29 (2 x replays adding to this), Dublin 28 and Kerry 27.
Mayo have scored most goals in the period, with 56 (1.931 / game), followed by Dublin (1.8571), Kerry (1.66) and Donegal (1), however Dublin's 17.46 points / game is way ahead of the rest with Mayo (15.69) slightly ahead of Kerry (15.667) and Donegal trailing on 12.571/game.
In defence, not surprising to see Donegal the most miserly with 0.6 goals / game conceded, better than Dublin's 0.75 with nothing between trailing Kerry (0.8889) and Mayo (0.8966). Points conceded is very tight, again Donegal come out on top with 11.433/game, kerry next on 11.63, Mayo 11.793 and Dublin 12.071.
Overall though, the Dubs have a clearly superior record, with an average winning margin of 8.89 points / game, with the closest challengers Mayo on 7. Kerry average 6.37 with Donegal's 2.4 affected by a couple of heavy losses.
Mayo need to be an eraser of Dubs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcPbfZ1apSc
Galway County Board are looking into the possibility of applying the 1925 rules should Mayo win
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1925_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship
I think this could be one of the most one sided finals in recent memory. The Dubs are on a completely different level to Mayo and I really hope I am wrong but I can see this match being over quite early. There is no embarrassment in that though, the juggernaut will roll on and take another step towards immortality, this Dublin side could well be the best side we've ever seen playing Gaelic football.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 09:36:14 AM
I think this could be one of the most one sided finals in recent memory. The Dubs are on a completely different level to Mayo and I really hope I am wrong but I can see this match being over quite early. There is no embarrassment in that though, the juggernaut will roll on and take another step towards immortality, this Dublin side could well be the best side we've ever seen playing Gaelic football.
Come on. Get off the fence. Never mind saying "could be" ... "could well be" ..... just call it. They are the greatest ever
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 09:36:14 AM
I think this could be one of the most one sided finals in recent memory. The Dubs are on a completely different level to Mayo and I really hope I am wrong but I can see this match being over quite early. There is no embarrassment in that though, the juggernaut will roll on and take another step towards immortality, this Dublin side could well be the best side we've ever seen playing Gaelic football.
Juggernaut klaxon!
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2016, 11:53:15 PM
That's it so
Best tactic so far. Can anybody come up with a better one?!
I have one and I don't understand why it's not done in every game given the abuse Connolly gets.
The most mentally fragile player on the Dublin team is Cluxton, we saw again yesterday that when he's pressured he falls to pieces. Kerry pushed up yesterday and he didn't know what he was seeing.
So why not use some of the tactics used on Connolly to upset him. Go in and rough him up. Stand on his little gear bag and smash it to pieces, stand on his toes, squirt water down his leg, anything that will upset the ****. Provoke the f**k out of him and then keep going.
For Mayo supporters, rather than simply dismiss the point, can you present any logical reason why your team should pose any challenge to Dublin based on the evidence of what we've seen this year. I can see absolutely none, and I say that with no pleasure as I would be firmly in Mayos corner as a neutral supporter like 31 other counties. However I firmly believe we are watching arguably the best side ever playing Gaelic football ( I exclude the great Kerry side as I don't remember them). You can laugh and sneer if you want but history will judge this Dublin side as so. But for an aberration against Donegal in 2014, this team would be going for 4 in a row in 3 weeks time.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 09:58:22 AM
For Mayo supporters, rather than simply dismiss the point, can you present any logical reason why your team should pose any challenge to Dublin based on the evidence of what we've seen this year. I can see absolutely none, and I say that with no pleasure as I would be firmly in Mayos corner as a neutral supporter like 31 other counties. However I firmly believe we are watching arguably the best side ever playing Gaelic football ( I exclude the great Kerry side as I don't remember them). You can laugh and sneer if you want but history will judge this Dublin side as so. But for an aberration against Donegal in 2014, this team would be going for 4 in a row in 3 weeks time.
Mayo could/should have beaten Dublin last year. Since then they've lost their two most influential defenders and Mayo possibly have a must more competent management team in place. This isn't a green horn Mayo side coming up against the all conquering Dubs. This is a weather worn, battle hardened Mayo side who hopefully have been planning for this game since the final whistle of the Tyrone quarter final.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 29, 2016, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 09:58:22 AM
For Mayo supporters, rather than simply dismiss the point, can you present any logical reason why your team should pose any challenge to Dublin based on the evidence of what we've seen this year. I can see absolutely none, and I say that with no pleasure as I would be firmly in Mayos corner as a neutral supporter like 31 other counties. However I firmly believe we are watching arguably the best side ever playing Gaelic football ( I exclude the great Kerry side as I don't remember them). You can laugh and sneer if you want but history will judge this Dublin side as so. But for an aberration against Donegal in 2014, this team would be going for 4 in a row in 3 weeks time.
Mayo could/should have beaten Dublin last year. Since then they've lost their two most influential defenders and Mayo possibly have a must more competent management team in place. This isn't a green horn Mayo side coming up against the all conquering Dubs. This is a weather worn, battle hardened Mayo side who hopefully have been planning for this game since the final whistle of the Tyrone quarter final.
Absolutely I agree but they didn't beat them and they have regressed badly since last year. On the evidence of what we seen yesterday, Dublin appear to have coped fairly ok with the absence of McCaffrey and O'Carroll (I certailinly wouldn't be of the opinion that they were Dublins 2 best defenders anyway) as their replacements are no mugs themselves. People will look for reasons why they think Mayo can beat Dublin and last years games are undoubtedly the single biggest piece of evidence but this is a Dublin 12 team 12 months advanced with a culture of winning and seeing out games against a Mayo team with exactly the opposite culture. There should be no embarassment if mayo fail to win this game and they should be at least able to play this game without any great expectatin or pressure as the great majority of people will be expecting them to get betaen comfortably anyway.
Given the draw, this was the most likely AI pairing and most from both counties would have expected to be where we are if asked back in January (despite any protestations of taking one game at a time). Mayo have spluttered their way through league and championship and fell in to the final with unconvincing wins and an insipid defeat to Galway along the way. Dublin are basking in the wake of an epic semi-final win in an unbeaten gallop for the year. The tough semi-final and the way they closed out the game are huge positive factors for Dublin as they prepare for another joust with Mayo.
As yellowcard alludes to above, there is no basis on current form to give Mayo any chance. Even if we came into the game in good form, our record in finals would be a concern,as would our well documented inability to close out games efficiently and put teams away. With those two major question marks added to poor form, we are looking unlikely to be the team to topple the champions. We can talk all we like about how close we came in last years draw and replay but there's nothing to suggest we still have that level of performance in the bag and even then, we still couldn't close it out last year (in a semi-final).
The upside for Mayo is that all this is known to Dublin and they will have to be thinking at some level that they have one hand on the cup. They wouldn't be human if they didn't, and that can be fatal if things start to go against script on the day. Most will point out that Gavin will allow no complacency and that this Dublin team has got to where they are by treating the opposition with great respect and preparing accordingly. The problem is, as Gavin himself pointed out in the post-match interview, that 'Mayo have not been on our radar' this year. When he looks for them now, he won't find much that will make sense in preparation for how they will play and match up on the day. Mayo 2016 are an enigma.
It could be a strange final.
2015 - Drew with eventual winners
2014 - Drew with eventual winners
2013 - Lost by a point to winners
2012- Lost by 4 points to winners
If there is a reply I might consider the argument that Mayo could lose heavily (chance gone and all that), but the game on the 18th isn't a replay. The won't be more than a kick of the ball between them.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 10:54:37 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 29, 2016, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 09:58:22 AM
For Mayo supporters, rather than simply dismiss the point, can you present any logical reason why your team should pose any challenge to Dublin based on the evidence of what we've seen this year. I can see absolutely none, and I say that with no pleasure as I would be firmly in Mayos corner as a neutral supporter like 31 other counties. However I firmly believe we are watching arguably the best side ever playing Gaelic football ( I exclude the great Kerry side as I don't remember them). You can laugh and sneer if you want but history will judge this Dublin side as so. But for an aberration against Donegal in 2014, this team would be going for 4 in a row in 3 weeks time.
Mayo could/should have beaten Dublin last year. Since then they've lost their two most influential defenders and Mayo possibly have a must more competent management team in place. This isn't a green horn Mayo side coming up against the all conquering Dubs. This is a weather worn, battle hardened Mayo side who hopefully have been planning for this game since the final whistle of the Tyrone quarter final.
Absolutely I agree but they didn't beat them and they have regressed badly since last year. On the evidence of what we seen yesterday, Dublin appear to have coped fairly ok with the absence of McCaffrey and O'Carroll (I certailinly wouldn't be of the opinion that they were Dublins 2 best defenders anyway) as their replacements are no mugs themselves. People will look for reasons why they think Mayo can beat Dublin and last years games are undoubtedly the single biggest piece of evidence but this is a Dublin 12 team 12 months advanced with a culture of winning and seeing out games against a Mayo team with exactly the opposite culture. There should be no embarassment if mayo fail to win this game and they should be at least able to play this game without any great expectatin or pressure as the great majority of people will be expecting them to get betaen comfortably anyway.
Aye, I agree with most of what you say and the easy thing is to point out reasons why Dublin will win. But sport isn't always as straight forward as that and I've seen Dublin crumble in patches when put under pressure in their last two games. I don't think the Dublin players are particularly good at thinking themselves through an on field crisis, like occurred just before HT yesterday. They were served well by the whistle and the chance for Galvin to reset things. They got 3 men lined v Donegal ffs, in a game were they were cruising. What if the crisis occurs with 15 mins to go with Mayo coming back at them? This team haven't had to deal with too many on field crisis in the past few years and there are signs that they can be got at. In the second half they had sorted many of the problems and played a much more controlled game, but what if Galvin doesn't get the chance to sort things like yesterday?. Mayo have to force them outside their comfort zone. What if the kick outs aren't working and Mayo dominate the long kick out? What if Connolly is being bottled up by Keegan and Higgins the same on Bernard? What if Flynn goes AWOL again? What if the positioning of Aiden O'Se is troubling the full back line and also occupying Cian O'Sullivan?
Kerry got a bit of joy from the long ball in the first half, something that may not have happened if O'Connell had been there. The Dublin kick out, which was once their biggest asset is fast becoming their biggest liability, if they ship two easy goals to Mayo things will be very interesting. Mayo have the personnel to win a midfield battle if kick outs go long and also the personnel in defence to match up quite favourably to the Dublin forward line. Also, I wouldn't underestimate the new management to get an effective gameplan in place, they've had since the Tyrone game to work on it. I'm not saying Mayo will win, but I would take 3 /1 or 4/1 in a small wager, and everything would need to go right for them to be successful - but stranger things have happened on a Gaelic football field. I'm sure Mayo will relish being written off. I'm looking forward to it.
Kerry didn't maximise the aerial route at all yesterday. I couldn't figure out why the plan was to go long and high, only for the target (intentionally or not) to be Colm Cooper! That made no sense to me. They only got a bit of joy from that tactic when Donaghy was in there, and Gooch was playing off him. I thought that would have been obvious, but for some reason Donaghy was out around the 40 in that time.
So I still think the 'high ball' question is unanswered if Mayo want to probe that avenue. Moran's movement is so good they may want to just try balls down the wings and get C'OC and maybe D'OC playing off him, but a Barry Moran at 14 tactic mightn't be the worst in the world AS LONG AS THE BALL IN IS GOOD. I hope they don't put Aidan O'Shea in there, and kick aimless balls roughly in his direction. That's soul destroying to watch as a neutral, never mind the poor divil inside straining his neck looking up at them.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 29, 2016, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 10:54:37 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 29, 2016, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 09:58:22 AM
For Mayo supporters, rather than simply dismiss the point, can you present any logical reason why your team should pose any challenge to Dublin based on the evidence of what we've seen this year. I can see absolutely none, and I say that with no pleasure as I would be firmly in Mayos corner as a neutral supporter like 31 other counties. However I firmly believe we are watching arguably the best side ever playing Gaelic football ( I exclude the great Kerry side as I don't remember them). You can laugh and sneer if you want but history will judge this Dublin side as so. But for an aberration against Donegal in 2014, this team would be going for 4 in a row in 3 weeks time.
Mayo could/should have beaten Dublin last year. Since then they've lost their two most influential defenders and Mayo possibly have a must more competent management team in place. This isn't a green horn Mayo side coming up against the all conquering Dubs. This is a weather worn, battle hardened Mayo side who hopefully have been planning for this game since the final whistle of the Tyrone quarter final.
Absolutely I agree but they didn't beat them and they have regressed badly since last year. On the evidence of what we seen yesterday, Dublin appear to have coped fairly ok with the absence of McCaffrey and O'Carroll (I certailinly wouldn't be of the opinion that they were Dublins 2 best defenders anyway) as their replacements are no mugs themselves. People will look for reasons why they think Mayo can beat Dublin and last years games are undoubtedly the single biggest piece of evidence but this is a Dublin 12 team 12 months advanced with a culture of winning and seeing out games against a Mayo team with exactly the opposite culture. There should be no embarassment if mayo fail to win this game and they should be at least able to play this game without any great expectatin or pressure as the great majority of people will be expecting them to get betaen comfortably anyway.
Aye, I agree with most of what you say and the easy thing is to point out reasons why Dublin will win. But sport isn't always as straight forward as that and I've seen Dublin crumble in patches when put under pressure in their last two games. I don't think the Dublin players are particularly good at thinking themselves through an on field crisis, like occurred just before HT yesterday. They were served well by the whistle and the chance for Galvin to reset things. They got 3 men lined v Donegal ffs, in a game were they were cruising. What if the crisis occurs with 15 mins to go with Mayo coming back at them? This team haven't had to deal with too many on field crisis in the past few years and there are signs that they can be got at. In the second half they had sorted many of the problems and played a much more controlled game, but what if Galvin doesn't get the chance to sort things like yesterday?. Mayo have to force them outside their comfort zone. What if the kick outs aren't working and Mayo dominate the long kick out? What if Connolly is being bottled up by Keegan and Higgins the same on Bernard? What if Flynn goes AWOL again? What if the positioning of Aiden O'Se is troubling the full back line and also occupying Cian O'Sullivan?
Kerry got a bit of joy from the long ball in the first half, something that may not have happened if O'Connell had been there. The Dublin kick out, which was once their biggest asset is fast becoming their biggest liability, if they ship two easy goals to Mayo things will be very interesting. Mayo have the personnel to win a midfield battle if kick outs go long and also the personnel in defence to match up quite favourably to the Dublin forward line. Also, I wouldn't underestimate the new management to get an effective gameplan in place, they've had since the Tyrone game to work on it. I'm not saying Mayo will win, but I would take 3 /1 or 4/1 in a small wager, and everything would need to go right for them to be successful - but stranger things have happened on a Gaelic football field. I'm sure Mayo will relish being written off. I'm looking forward to it.
Didn't the Dublin players sort things out when 3 points down with less than 10 mins to go out on the pitch??
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 29, 2016, 12:10:08 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 29, 2016, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 10:54:37 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 29, 2016, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 09:58:22 AM
For Mayo supporters, rather than simply dismiss the point, can you present any logical reason why your team should pose any challenge to Dublin based on the evidence of what we've seen this year. I can see absolutely none, and I say that with no pleasure as I would be firmly in Mayos corner as a neutral supporter like 31 other counties. However I firmly believe we are watching arguably the best side ever playing Gaelic football ( I exclude the great Kerry side as I don't remember them). You can laugh and sneer if you want but history will judge this Dublin side as so. But for an aberration against Donegal in 2014, this team would be going for 4 in a row in 3 weeks time.
Mayo could/should have beaten Dublin last year. Since then they've lost their two most influential defenders and Mayo possibly have a must more competent management team in place. This isn't a green horn Mayo side coming up against the all conquering Dubs. This is a weather worn, battle hardened Mayo side who hopefully have been planning for this game since the final whistle of the Tyrone quarter final.
Absolutely I agree but they didn't beat them and they have regressed badly since last year. On the evidence of what we seen yesterday, Dublin appear to have coped fairly ok with the absence of McCaffrey and O'Carroll (I certailinly wouldn't be of the opinion that they were Dublins 2 best defenders anyway) as their replacements are no mugs themselves. People will look for reasons why they think Mayo can beat Dublin and last years games are undoubtedly the single biggest piece of evidence but this is a Dublin 12 team 12 months advanced with a culture of winning and seeing out games against a Mayo team with exactly the opposite culture. There should be no embarassment if mayo fail to win this game and they should be at least able to play this game without any great expectatin or pressure as the great majority of people will be expecting them to get betaen comfortably anyway.
Aye, I agree with most of what you say and the easy thing is to point out reasons why Dublin will win. But sport isn't always as straight forward as that and I've seen Dublin crumble in patches when put under pressure in their last two games. I don't think the Dublin players are particularly good at thinking themselves through an on field crisis, like occurred just before HT yesterday. They were served well by the whistle and the chance for Galvin to reset things. They got 3 men lined v Donegal ffs, in a game were they were cruising. What if the crisis occurs with 15 mins to go with Mayo coming back at them? This team haven't had to deal with too many on field crisis in the past few years and there are signs that they can be got at. In the second half they had sorted many of the problems and played a much more controlled game, but what if Galvin doesn't get the chance to sort things like yesterday?. Mayo have to force them outside their comfort zone. What if the kick outs aren't working and Mayo dominate the long kick out? What if Connolly is being bottled up by Keegan and Higgins the same on Bernard? What if Flynn goes AWOL again? What if the positioning of Aiden O'Se is troubling the full back line and also occupying Cian O'Sullivan?
Kerry got a bit of joy from the long ball in the first half, something that may not have happened if O'Connell had been there. The Dublin kick out, which was once their biggest asset is fast becoming their biggest liability, if they ship two easy goals to Mayo things will be very interesting. Mayo have the personnel to win a midfield battle if kick outs go long and also the personnel in defence to match up quite favourably to the Dublin forward line. Also, I wouldn't underestimate the new management to get an effective gameplan in place, they've had since the Tyrone game to work on it. I'm not saying Mayo will win, but I would take 3 /1 or 4/1 in a small wager, and everything would need to go right for them to be successful - but stranger things have happened on a Gaelic football field. I'm sure Mayo will relish being written off. I'm looking forward to it.
Didn't the Dublin players sort things out when 3 points down with less than 10 mins to go out on the pitch??
I think they were much more in control at that point that when they shipped 2-5 without reply at the end of the first half. Kerry only scored 6 points in that second half and that is to the credit of the Dublin team but I think Kerry had gassed and Dublin were scoring at a rate of 2 points to Kerry's 1 and had no need to panic. That's a different story from having a meltdown from kick outs, shipping two quick goals or getting 3 men sent off. Dublin heve proven they can close out tight games, that's not my point, they had recovered from 5 down already yesterday, my point is that they can implode for short periods when things don't go to plan and they don't work things out very easily. Things weren't going badly with 10 mins to go yesterday, they were playing well at that stage, they just had to keep it going.
What will Mayo do at fullback? Don't see any need for Keane to start or even for Moran to be back there.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 29, 2016, 12:51:55 PM
What will Mayo do at fullback? Don't see any need for Keane to start or even for Moran to be back there.
O'Gara might suit Keane, but I don't think either will start.
I'd like to see Barrett in full back
I would expect Mayo to field Harrison, Higgins, Durcan, Boyle, Keegan & Vaughan as backs (match-ups impossible to guess) Parsons & Seamie at midfield with Diarmuid O C, AOS, McLoughlinn,(sweeping) Andy, COC and DOC in forwards. Don't see any point in playing Barry Moran at full forward as it has never worked yet. Would personally start Barrett and hold Durcan in reserve. Havent got it right this year yet and expect Rochford to pleasantly surprise me. Hope we go at them from the start as we are at our best running at teams . Great to be back in the final.... despite all the defeats . Remember the 70s! Not a great believer in luck but perseverance is a most admirable trait.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 29, 2016, 02:06:47 PM
I would expect Mayo to field Harrison, Higgins, Durcan, Boyle, Keegan & Vaughan as backs (match-ups impossible to guess) Parsons & Seamie at midfield with Diarmuid O C, AOS, McLoughlinn,(sweeping) Andy, COC and DOC in forwards. Don't see any point in playing Barry Moran at full forward as it has never worked yet. Would personally start Barrett and hold Durcan in reserve. Havent got it right this year yet and expect Rochford to pleasantly surprise me. Hope we go at them from the start as we are at our best running at teams . Great to be back in the final.... despite all the defeats . Remember the 70s! Not a great believer in luck but perseverance is a most admirable trait.
Our best runner is Durcan, especially since Keegan seems to be mainly defensive this year.
Paddy on a tired looking Flynn might be a good match up for us. But then I wouldn't write Flynn off just yet.
It seems Stephen Coen has gone from starting to not being considered at all. Any word on him?
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 29, 2016, 02:06:47 PM
I would expect Mayo to field Harrison, Higgins, Durcan, Boyle, Keegan & Vaughan as backs (match-ups impossible to guess) Parsons & Seamie at midfield with Diarmuid O C, AOS, McLoughlinn,(sweeping) Andy, COC and DOC in forwards. Don't see any point in playing Barry Moran at full forward as it has never worked yet. Would personally start Barrett and hold Durcan in reserve. Havent got it right this year yet and expect Rochford to pleasantly surprise me. Hope we go at them from the start as we are at our best running at teams . Great to be back in the final.... despite all the defeats . Remember the 70s! Not a great believer in luck but perseverance is a most admirable trait.
Never mind the 70's, the late 50's and 60's were pretty poor as well. From 1955 to 1981 we won only two Connacht titles - 67 and 69. Two Championship visits to Croker in 26 years!
I predict a draw.
Mayo lads love a good draw.
They will then get utterly tanked in the replay.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 29, 2016, 02:28:03 PM
I predict a draw.
Mayo lads love a good draw.
They will then get utterly tanked in the replay.
The only time we will get utterly tanked, is if we win. ;D
This final Reminds me a little when Tyrone played the great Kerry goldenears team in 86... without the novel factor of it being Tyrone's first. Unfortunately I fear that Mayo are as far away from an All Ireland as they ever have been in 70 years and they are yet to play the final. They would have beat Kerry if they had got through though.
That said I think Mayo are a much better team than Kerry, but Kerry's experience was crucial as they maximised their opportunities yesterday.
I just think the Dubs are unbeatable by the best of the rest. When in doubt the referees help them along as well. Home advantage a huge help also. In 3 years time Kerry will be up with them again as well. These guys are the best prepared athletes to every play the game and are prepared to a higher level that any other. They also have the talent to match.
Mayo don't have the skill levels of Kerry, but they do have the ability to play the game at a very high-intensity.
In theory, Dublin shouldn't 'get away' from them like they do with most teams.
Mayo have good tackling technique so if they can apply lots of defensive pressure without coughing up handy frees for Rock, they'll be in with a chance.
Quote from: rrhf on August 29, 2016, 02:43:00 PM
This final Reminds me a little when Tyrone played the great Kerry goldenears team in 86... without the novel factor of it being Tyrone's first. Unfortunately I fear that Mayo are as far away from an All Ireland as they ever have been in 70 years and they are yet to play the final. They would have beat Kerry if they had got through though.
That said I think Mayo are a much better team than Kerry, but Kerry's experience was crucial as they maximised their opportunities yesterday.
I just think the Dubs are unbeatable by the best of the rest. When in doubt the referees help them along as well. Home advantage a huge help also. In 3 years time Kerry will be up with them again as well. These guys are the best prepared athletes to every play the game and are prepared to a higher level that any other. They also have the talent to match.
Well we won it 65 and 66 years ago, so we weren't too far away those years!
We're also closer than we were last year and the year before, and every other year we weren't in a final.
If you could advise one thing to Mayo what would it be:
1) Start the game well.
2) see 1
Can only see one outcome to this game and it won't be a nice one for our neighbours ( or the deluded ones in Ballagh).
Mcgloughlin provoked him in a league game in hq two years ago and he lashed out resulting in a sending off.
On Diarmuid Connolly's twitter
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In fairness to the Dubs, if they win they will have done it the hard way by convincingly beating the teams who been the most consistent in each of the 3 provinces for the last 5 years.
If Mayo can prevent the Dubs from scoring soft goals early on they could be in with a great chance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5q0KmjU0Qk!
Quote from: yellowcard on August 29, 2016, 09:58:22 AM
For Mayo supporters, rather than simply dismiss the point, can you present any logical reason why your team should pose any challenge to Dublin based on the evidence of what we've seen this year. I can see absolutely none, and I say that with no pleasure as I would be firmly in Mayos corner as a neutral supporter like 31 other counties. However I firmly believe we are watching arguably the best side ever playing Gaelic football ( I exclude the great Kerry side as I don't remember them). You can laugh and sneer if you want but history will judge this Dublin side as so. But for an aberration against Donegal in 2014, this team would be going for 4 in a row in 3 weeks time.
That's a fairly sweeping statement Yellowcard. If you don't mind my pointing out, if you're ruling out any teams you yourself haven't seen, such as the Kerry Golden Years, you're ruling out 100 years of football. 100 years is a long time.
As for your argument that 2014 against Donegal was an aberration, that's a fair-sized aberration. The history of this Dublin team isn't written yet. You wouldn't know how it'd go yet. It's best to take the hype in small doses.
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/jacahill/opinion-dublin-won-ireland-final-beating-kerry-sunday/
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I remember that day well.
The current Dublin team may or may not be the best ever but what is indisputable is that they are the best prepared team ever . Also by every possible metric they have a massive advantage on all their competitors . Another factor is how the sports governing body needs them to be successful.
Just back from a 4-day stint in Mayo. For the first day I got talking to a few locals and the same line was trotted out....we're in for a tanking and Tyrone should have beaten us and so on but I noticed a twinkle in the eyes. Also, the flags belied the defeatist attitude. By the time I left they were telling me how they were going to rip the Dubs to pieces and that this was their year because it was back to front. I even bought myself a Mayo flag when I left such was their infectious expectation. Make no mistake, Mayo expects, quietly but deeply. Mayo have found their Jim Gavin and in Keegan and Higgins they have their Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton. Islands in the stream. Sail away with me, to another world. Leenaun or Leenane. Maan or Maun. It doesn't matter. Sam is coming west.
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I remember that day well.
I was in the Nally, there was loads of room there. A lot of the Dubs were let by officials (naturally Dubs) to go across from the Nally to the Hill! Very irresponsible and very dangerous trying to prove a point that the Hill belonged to the Dubs. Thankfully there was no incident (this time!).
Quote from: ONeill on August 29, 2016, 09:32:47 PM
Just back from a 4-day stint in Mayo. For the first day I got talking to a few locals and the same line was trotted out....we're in for a tanking and Tyrone should have beaten us and so on but I noticed a twinkle in the eyes. Also, the flags belied the defeatist attitude. By the time I left they were telling me how they were going to rip the Dubs to pieces and that this was their year because it was back to front. I even bought myself a Mayo flag when I left such was their infectious expectation. Make no mistake, Mayo expects, quietly but deeply. Mayo have found their Jim Gavin and in Keegan and Higgins they have their Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton. Islands in the stream. Sail away with me, to another world. Leenaun or Leenane. Maan or Maun. It doesn't matter. Sam is coming west.
They were 4 heavy days I'd say.
Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
Aye, shaking rightly tonight. They like their country music.
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Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2016, 09:44:29 PM
Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
Quote from: ONeill on August 29, 2016, 09:32:47 PM
Just back from a 4-day stint in Mayo. For the first day I got talking to a few locals and the same line was trotted out....we're in for a tanking and Tyrone should have beaten us and so on but I noticed a twinkle in the eyes. Also, the flags belied the defeatist attitude. By the time I left they were telling me how they were going to rip the Dubs to pieces and that this was their year because it was back to front. I even bought myself a Mayo flag when I left such was their infectious expectation. Make no mistake, Mayo expects, quietly but deeply. Mayo have found their Jim Gavin and in Keegan and Higgins they have their Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton. Islands in the stream. Sail away with me, to another world. Leenaun or Leenane. Maan or Maun. It doesn't matter. Sam is coming west.
They were just having a quiet giggle at the Tyrone Lad who got caught up in Uncle Peters hype of their team. And Plámásed you into spending your Sterling. They, like us all know the All Ireland final has been played!
Quote from: ONeill on August 29, 2016, 09:45:48 PM
Aye, shaking rightly tonight. They like their country music.
isn't it the same in Philomenastan?
Quote from: seafoid on August 29, 2016, 09:55:00 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 29, 2016, 09:45:48 PM
Aye, shaking rightly tonight. They like their country music.
isn't it the same in Philomenastan?
To an extent but you crowd are closer to America and seem to like the Nashville stuff. We're more into the more innocent lyrics about blankets and tickling.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 29, 2016, 09:48:56 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2016, 09:44:29 PM
Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2016, 10:02:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 29, 2016, 09:48:56 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2016, 09:44:29 PM
Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Nearly as good as Cooper on DOC. Classy!
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Quote from: ashman on August 29, 2016, 09:31:03 PM
The current Dublin team may or may not be the best ever but what is indisputable is that they are the best prepared team ever . Also by every possible metric they have a massive advantage on all their competitors . Another factor is how the sports governing body needs them to be successful.
Plays a very small violin ...
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2016, 10:02:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 29, 2016, 09:48:56 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2016, 09:44:29 PM
Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Will Johnny Cooper rake DOC again?...it's all tres exciting! 8)
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Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Nearly as good as Cooper on DOC. Classy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY)
No this was before throw in at the first game - Mayo were obviously told to rough up the dandy boys.
DOC is a fairly classy bloke alright and behaved impeccably in both games last year - he didn't deserve that
Mayo will probably want to warm up in front of the Hill as well!!!
And for the love of God is DOC is asking the ref how long is left will he makes sure he gets clarity does that include the vat
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Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2016, 09:44:29 PM
Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Nearly as good as Cooper on DOC. Classy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY)
No this was before throw in at the first game - Mayo were obviously told to rough up the dandy boys.
DOC is a fairly classy bloke alright and behaved impeccably in both games last year - he didn't deserve that
So you would be in favour of the ones who obviously told the Mayo Boys to rough up the dandy boys getting shafted last year?
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Mayo will probably want to warm up in front of the Hill as well!!!
No, sure the Hill belongs to Dublin. It's their home ground. Why would you be doing such a thing?
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Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Nearly as good as Cooper on DOC. Classy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY)
No this was before throw in at the first game - Mayo were obviously told to rough up the dandy boys.
DOC is a fairly classy bloke alright and behaved impeccably in both games last year - he didn't deserve that
So you would be in favour of the ones who obviously told the Mayo Boys to rough up the dandy boys getting shafted last year?
Why would you conclude that?
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Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Nearly as good as Cooper on DOC. Classy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY)
No this was before throw in at the first game - Mayo were obviously told to rough up the dandy boys.
DOC is a fairly classy bloke alright and behaved impeccably in both games last year - he didn't deserve that
So you would be in favour of the ones who obviously told the Mayo Boys to rough up the dandy boys getting shafted last year?
Why would you conclude that?
Well you don't condone violence and these boys were advocating it?
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2016, 10:12:52 PM
And for the love of God is DOC is asking the ref how long is left will he makes sure he gets clarity does that include the vat
If you're going to try to wind us up, will you at least get the right player, otherwise it loses all impact. Completely unwound now :-(
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Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Nearly as good as Cooper on DOC. Classy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY)
No this was before throw in at the first game - Mayo were obviously told to rough up the dandy boys.
DOC is a fairly classy bloke alright and behaved impeccably in both games last year - he didn't deserve that
So you would be in favour of the ones who obviously told the Mayo Boys to rough up the dandy boys getting shafted last year?
Why would you conclude that?
Well you don't condone violence and these boys were advocating it?
Mayo have a long and proud history of players taking ownership of match day tactics
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Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2016, 09:44:29 PM
Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Nearly as good as Cooper on DOC. Classy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY)
No this was before throw in at the first game - Mayo were obviously told to rough up the dandy boys.
DOC is a fairly classy bloke alright and behaved impeccably in both games last year - he didn't deserve that
So you would be in favour of the ones who obviously told the Mayo Boys to rough up the dandy boys getting shafted last year?
Why would you conclude that?
Well you don't condone violence and these boys were advocating it?
Mayo have a long and proud history of players taking ownership of match day tactics
So you are saying the players took it upon themselves and were not told?
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And for the love of God is DOC is asking the ref how long is left will he makes sure he gets clarity does that include the vat
If you're going to try to wind us up, will you at least get the right player, otherwise it loses all impact. Completely unwound now :-(
Sorry getting my marquee forwards mixed up
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Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2016, 09:44:29 PM
Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Nearly as good as Cooper on DOC. Classy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY)
No this was before throw in at the first game - Mayo were obviously told to rough up the dandy boys.
DOC is a fairly classy bloke alright and behaved impeccably in both games last year - he didn't deserve that
So you would be in favour of the ones who obviously told the Mayo Boys to rough up the dandy boys getting shafted last year?
Why would you conclude that?
Well you don't condone violence and these boys were advocating it?
Mayo have a long and proud history of players taking ownership of match day tactics
So you are saying the players took it upon themselves and were not told?
I have no opinion on the matter, I just want to know can we expect it again?
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Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Nearly as good as Cooper on DOC. Classy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY)
No this was before throw in at the first game - Mayo were obviously told to rough up the dandy boys.
DOC is a fairly classy bloke alright and behaved impeccably in both games last year - he didn't deserve that
So you would be in favour of the ones who obviously told the Mayo Boys to rough up the dandy boys getting shafted last year?
Why would you conclude that?
Well you don't condone violence and these boys were advocating it?
Mayo have a long and proud history of players taking ownership of match day tactics
So you are saying the players took it upon themselves and were not told?
I have no opinion on the matter, I just want to know can we expect it again?
Expect the unexpected from Mayo this year
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Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2016, 09:44:29 PM
Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Nearly as good as Cooper on DOC. Classy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY)
No this was before throw in at the first game - Mayo were obviously told to rough up the dandy boys.
DOC is a fairly classy bloke alright and behaved impeccably in both games last year - he didn't deserve that
So you would be in favour of the ones who obviously told the Mayo Boys to rough up the dandy boys getting shafted last year?
Why would you conclude that?
Well you don't condone violence and these boys were advocating it?
Mayo have a long and proud history of players taking ownership of match day tactics
So you are saying the players took it upon themselves and were not told?
I have no opinion on the matter, I just want to know can we expect it again?
Expect the unexpected from Mayo this year
If Mayo win will the cup be going to Ballina or Castlebar on the Monday night?
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Aye, shaking rightly tonight. They like their country music.
isn't it the same in Philomenastan?
To an extent but you crowd are closer to America and seem to like the Nashville stuff. We're more into the more innocent lyrics about blankets and tickling.
We all know where the real country music capital is.
(http://www.irish-showbands.com/images/kathleen/bigtom041-ksx.jpg)
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Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2016, 09:44:29 PM
Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Nearly as good as Cooper on DOC. Classy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY)
No this was before throw in at the first game - Mayo were obviously told to rough up the dandy boys.
DOC is a fairly classy bloke alright and behaved impeccably in both games last year - he didn't deserve that
So you would be in favour of the ones who obviously told the Mayo Boys to rough up the dandy boys getting shafted last year?
Why would you conclude that?
Well you don't condone violence and these boys were advocating it?
Mayo have a long and proud history of players taking ownership of match day tactics
So you are saying the players took it upon themselves and were not told?
I have no opinion on the matter, I just want to know can we expect it again?
Expect the unexpected from Mayo this year
If Mayo win will the cup be going to Ballina or Castlebar on the Monday night?
Where were you? The final was yesterday! This is just a lap of honour for Dublin!
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Aye, shaking rightly tonight. They like their country music.
isn't it the same in Philomenastan?
To an extent but you crowd are closer to America and seem to like the Nashville stuff. We're more into the more innocent lyrics about blankets and tickling.
We all know where the real country capital is.
(http://www.irish-showbands.com/images/kathleen/bigtom041-ksx.jpg)
Is that a Superbowl ring on his pinkie?
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Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Nearly as good as Cooper on DOC. Classy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY)
No this was before throw in at the first game - Mayo were obviously told to rough up the dandy boys.
DOC is a fairly classy bloke alright and behaved impeccably in both games last year - he didn't deserve that
So you would be in favour of the ones who obviously told the Mayo Boys to rough up the dandy boys getting shafted last year?
Why would you conclude that?
Well you don't condone violence and these boys were advocating it?
Mayo have a long and proud history of players taking ownership of match day tactics
So you are saying the players took it upon themselves and were not told?
I have no opinion on the matter, I just want to know can we expect it again?
Expect the unexpected from Mayo this year
If Mayo win will the cup be going to Ballina or Castlebar on the Monday night?
Where were you? The final was yesterday! This is just a lap of honour for Dublin!
Angry Andy says otherwise!
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Aye, shaking rightly tonight. They like their country music.
isn't it the same in Philomenastan?
To an extent but you crowd are closer to America and seem to like the Nashville stuff. We're more into the more innocent lyrics about blankets and tickling.
NI should get local radio stations. Tyrone could copy Mid West
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Aye, shaking rightly tonight. They like their country music.
isn't it the same in Philomenastan?
To an extent but you crowd are closer to America and seem to like the Nashville stuff. We're more into the more innocent lyrics about blankets and tickling.
We all know where the real country capital is.
Is that a Superbowl ring on his pinkie?
Think he won a junior championship with Castleblayney.
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Aye, shaking rightly tonight. They like their country music.
isn't it the same in Philomenastan?
To an extent but you crowd are closer to America and seem to like the Nashville stuff. We're more into the more innocent lyrics about blankets and tickling.
We all know where the real country capital is.
Is that a Superbowl ring on his pinkie?
Think he won a junior championship with Castleblayney.
Close enough
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Quote from: ONeill on August 29, 2016, 09:45:48 PM
Aye, shaking rightly tonight. They like their country music.
isn't it the same in Philomenastan?
To an extent but you crowd are closer to America and seem to like the Nashville stuff. We're more into the more innocent lyrics about blankets and tickling.
We all know where the real country capital is.
Is that a Superbowl ring on his pinkie?
Think he won a junior championship with Castleblayney.
Close enough
We still talking about Banty? :)
Do you think Dublin players secretly train in Croke Park and it's covered up by Enda Kenny which is warped?
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Do you think Dublin players secretly train in Croke Park and it's covered up by Enda Kenny which is warped?
Nah we train in Dollymount. Raw Sewage and jellyfish thats the secret
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Do you think Dublin players secretly train in Croke Park and it's covered up by Enda Kenny which is warped?
No that's the Mayo team dressed and disguised as the Dublin team who secretly train in Croker.
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Are Mayo going to try rough Dublin up before throw in again or what??
This is not 1996!
They did it last year - poor aul Vaughn did his shoulder when he went at Kilkenny out on the Cusack side and Higgins bounced off Connolly, ran back 5 yards and bounced off him again.
Nearly as good as Cooper on DOC. Classy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDb9nvzY9sY)
No this was before throw in at the first game - Mayo were obviously told to rough up the dandy boys.
DOC is a fairly classy bloke alright and behaved impeccably in both games last year - he didn't deserve that
So you would be in favour of the ones who obviously told the Mayo Boys to rough up the dandy boys getting shafted last year?
Why would you conclude that?
Well you don't condone violence and these boys were advocating it?
Mayo have a long and proud history of players taking ownership of match day tactics
So you are saying the players took it upon themselves and were not told?
I have no opinion on the matter, I just want to know can we expect it again?
Expect the unexpected from Mayo this year
If Mayo win will the cup be going to Ballina or Castlebar on the Monday night?
Where were you? The final was yesterday! This is just a lap of honour for Dublin!
Angry Andy says otherwise!
Exactly. In the unlikely event Ballaghadereen will be first visit. Important that our annexed population there are rewarded for their loyalty to the fatherland. Redrawn county lines from our colonial past mean nothing. Sure British engineers, pouring over maps in tents, drew lines through villages in the Punjab during the 1947 partition of India. The fall-out in Ballaghadereen far more contentious obviously.
I think any sympathy there was for Mayo is well gone seeing as they have so many opportunities to win All Irelands. The bottm line here is that if Mayo can get a top performance out of each member of the team for 70 minutes there is no reason why they cannot win. They are a talented bunch of players but no one is going to give them Sam. They have to go out and earn it. Dublin and Jim Galvin are too crafty to fall in to a complacency trap. Personally I dont believe all this 1 versus 31 crap about Dublin. I know plenty of different county people who were delighted to see the Kerry crew and their media pals eat humble pie.
Mayo lads expect Parsons to start? Who will lose out?
A lot of commentators suggesting that while Donaghy didn't do a whole heap himself, by playing on the D he took up both McMahon and O'Sullivan leaving Gooch and Geaney one-on-one behind him, and that Mayo could mirror that using AOS. Not sure that would be the right call for Mayo, but it's an interesting one.
For the Dubs, Paul Flynn will be very lucky to start after his non-performance. Had a good enough final last year though after a relatively poor year, so maybe he gets one more chance. Given how well Paddy Andrews played against Mayo in both games last year (when both Connolly and Brogan were largely bottled up) I'd like to see him in the starting line-up.
Piss off Moysider. Ye'll never win Sam if ye're first thought is to disrespect it by coat trailing it in another County.
Note how I don't take up half the page with other people's quotes ;)
QuoteGiven how well Paddy Andrews played against Mayo in both games last year (when both Connolly and Brogan were largely bottled up
Is it a recurring theme with Brogan in last couple of years in that it seems in the big games after Leinster he is largely bottled up.... or at least bottled up more often than not.
He hasn't scored more than twice in a game in his last 5 post-Leinster games in Croke Park.... Fermanagh QF last year being the last time he contributed more than that. Is he in decline ? It feels like he needs a really big performance in the final (a la 3 years ago :'( )to ensure his name can ultimately be considered as one of the greats.
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QuoteGiven how well Paddy Andrews played against Mayo in both games last year (when both Connolly and Brogan were largely bottled up
Is it a recurring theme with Brogan in last couple of years in that it seems in the big games after Leinster he is largely bottled up.... or at least bottled up more often than not.
He hasn't scored more than twice in a game in his last 5 post-Leinster games in Croke Park.... Fermanagh QF last year being the last time he contributed more than that. Is he in decline ? It feels like he needs a really big performance in the final (a la 3 years ago :'( )to ensure his name can ultimately be considered as one of the greats.
Brogan could be under pressure to hold his place for the final. He has been relatively quiet in the last few games and whilst he is still a top class forward on his day, I think he is not as good as he once was. Flynn is another player who has plateaued out over the last 2 seasons and may also be under pressure to keep his place. Ultimately they will probably both start but its more based on the reputations they have built over a longer period than their actual form this season.
Bar the couple of wides I thought BB was very good on Sunday. Double marked and never stopped running and trying to create space. The balls that went in to him by and large stuck and struck a couple of crucial points.
He will not be dropped.
Quote from: Canalman on August 30, 2016, 12:15:48 PM
Bar the couple of wides I thought BB was very good on Sunday. Double marked and never stopped running and trying to create space. The balls that went in to him by and large stuck and struck a couple of crucial points.
He will not be dropped.
I agree. I'm happy with Bernard. Working very hard for the team. Still contributing a lot.
Is Flynn carrying an injury?
"A man with a Mayo accent is a stag at bay
Upon a bog with rabbits round its hooves."
– Paul Durcan, The Mayo Accent
It will probably come down to one or two incidents
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/james-horan-on-his-time-at-the-helm-of-mayo-1.2010683
So with Mayo: I think the team has a clear vision of what is needed to work in a high-performance environment. But I am not sure that everything else around it has. That is as nice a way as I can possibly put it. And it is critical. The team needs to relentlessly improve and always will do. Every team does. But when you are up in the top four in the country and we are talking about the width of a post or the bounce of a ball being the difference, the tiny, tiny little things that are around the team can be something that can make that difference. So that awareness and understanding is needed.
I see Ciaran Kilkenny will be flying up and down from Donegal for training :) Nice :)
Leitrim won't be able to match that anyway!
Quote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2016, 03:19:54 PM
Leitrim won't be able to match that anyway!
Sure Leitrim and Donegal are right beside each other.
I could see the Dubs throwing Connolly into the FF line at the start to see if Keegan follows him in.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2016, 03:28:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2016, 03:19:54 PM
Leitrim won't be able to match that anyway!
Sure Leitrim and Donegal are right beside each other.
The only person I ever heard of flying to Leitrim was:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/harney-wings-clipped-26062024.html (http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/harney-wings-clipped-26062024.html)
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 30, 2016, 01:01:28 PM
Is Flynn carrying an injury?
Flynn playing through pain barrier the last couple years. Should sit out the league next year as badly needs a break. I though he was out sunday. My source got that and McCarthy one wrong. McCarthy looked very rusty but came into game in last 15 minutes
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2016, 03:30:16 PM
I could see the Dubs throwing Connolly into the FF line at the start to see if Keegan follows him in.
He actually followed Shane Walsh into the FF line when they played Galway. Probably didn't help Mayo in the end.
And Quinlivan v Tipp. I don't think he's comfortable in there.
Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2016, 03:31:32 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2016, 03:28:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2016, 03:19:54 PM
Leitrim won't be able to match that anyway!
Sure Leitrim and Donegal are right beside each other.
The only person I ever heard of flying to Leitrim was:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/harney-wings-clipped-26062024.html (http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/harney-wings-clipped-26062024.html)
I'd say they had a bear of a time trying to redistribute the weight on that flight
Quote from: Gael85 on August 30, 2016, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 30, 2016, 01:01:28 PM
Is Flynn carrying an injury?
Flynn playing through pain barrier the last couple years. Should sit out the league next year as badly needs a break. I though he was out sunday. My source got that and McCarthy one wrong. McCarthy looked very rusty but came into game in last 15 minutes
I barely remembered Flynn on the ball at all as for you say McCarthy looked like a player who was back from injury. That game will have done wonders for him going forward to the final. Given the strength Dublin have in the forwards they can always rely on a couple of them to have great games.
Quote from: whitey on August 30, 2016, 03:54:51 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 30, 2016, 03:31:32 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 30, 2016, 03:28:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2016, 03:19:54 PM
Leitrim won't be able to match that anyway!
Sure Leitrim and Donegal are right beside each other.
The only person I ever heard of flying to Leitrim was:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/harney-wings-clipped-26062024.html (http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/harney-wings-clipped-26062024.html)
I'd say they had a bear of a time trying to redistribute the weight on that flight
in fairness she had a moral flexibility that meant her conscience's centre of gravity covered a large area. :D
Quote from: Gael85 on August 30, 2016, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 30, 2016, 01:01:28 PM
Is Flynn carrying an injury?
Flynn playing through pain barrier the last couple years. Should sit out the league next year as badly needs a break. I though he was out sunday. My source got that and McCarthy one wrong. McCarthy looked very rusty but came into game in last 15 minutes
I've read this on here numerous times. Is this fact or speculation? Why, with their strength and depth would they be playing any man who is injured, and has been carrying an injury for 2 years? Surely with the Dubs attention to detail, Flynn would have been sorted and rehabbed back @ this stage?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 30, 2016, 03:47:34 PM
And Quinlivan v Tipp. I don't think he's comfortable in there.
I can remember Keegan following Comer into the full forward line and didn't cope too well with the only ball that came in, he had to pull Comer down when bearing down on goal.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 30, 2016, 04:00:02 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 30, 2016, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 30, 2016, 01:01:28 PM
Is Flynn carrying an injury?
Flynn playing through pain barrier the last couple years. Should sit out the league next year as badly needs a break. I though he was out sunday. My source got that and McCarthy one wrong. McCarthy looked very rusty but came into game in last 15 minutes
I barely remembered Flynn on the ball at all as for you say McCarthy looked like a player who was back from injury. That game will have done wonders for him going forward to the final. Given the strength Dublin have in the forwards they can always rely on a couple of them to have great games.
Flynn stated at the end of last years AI series that he had carried an injury through the 2015 season. In that instance I don't understand why he would not have got it sorted out in the 2015 off season. Or maybe he did and has picked up a fresh injury this year but is playing through the pain barrier. He is definitely not the Paul Flynn of old.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 30, 2016, 04:00:02 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 30, 2016, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 30, 2016, 01:01:28 PM
Is Flynn carrying an injury?
Flynn playing through pain barrier the last couple years. Should sit out the league next year as badly needs a break. I though he was out sunday. My source got that and McCarthy one wrong. McCarthy looked very rusty but came into game in last 15 minutes
I barely remembered Flynn on the ball at all as for you say McCarthy looked like a player who was back from injury. That game will have done wonders for him going forward to the final. Given the strength Dublin have in the forwards they can always rely on a couple of them to have great games.
Ya Flynn barely touched the ball. Since Donegal 2014 he is playing a much deeper role as a auxiliary midfielder but he hasn't reached his high standards in last 12 months
Quote from: JoG2 on August 30, 2016, 04:04:25 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 30, 2016, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 30, 2016, 01:01:28 PM
Is Flynn carrying an injury?
Flynn playing through pain barrier the last couple years. Should sit out the league next year as badly needs a break. I though he was out sunday. My source got that and McCarthy one wrong. McCarthy looked very rusty but came into game in last 15 minutes
I've read this on here numerous times. Is this fact or speculation? Why, with their strength and depth would they be playing any man who is injured, and has been carrying an injury for 2 years? Surely with the Dubs attention to detail, Flynn would have been sorted and rehabbed back @ this stage?
I think he got operated last year but doesn't seem to have cured problem. Dublin strength and depth is a myth when it comes to wing forwards. Tomas Brady and Shane Carthy(St Vincents) are only half forwards on bench and have been used scarcely by Jim Gavin. Hopefully Shane Carthy(Naomh Mearnog), Gavin Burke or Niall Scully make the step up in next couple of years.
Quote from: JoG2 on August 30, 2016, 04:04:25 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 30, 2016, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 30, 2016, 01:01:28 PM
Is Flynn carrying an injury?
Flynn playing through pain barrier the last couple years. Should sit out the league next year as badly needs a break. I though he was out sunday. My source got that and McCarthy one wrong. McCarthy looked very rusty but came into game in last 15 minutes
I've read this on here numerous times. Is this fact or speculation? Why, with their strength and depth would they be playing any man who is injured, and has been carrying an injury for 2 years? Surely with the Dubs attention to detail, Flynn would have been sorted and rehabbed back @ this stage?
To me it seems he's playing like someone who's afraid he'll get injured if he pushes too hard.
And for a man who got a lot of his star quality and four All Stars for pushing so hard, it has basically taken his whole game away.
Last year, his best game was the All Ireland final (by a distance) when he probably didnt need to worry too much about a recurrance.
Quote from: Hound on August 30, 2016, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 30, 2016, 04:04:25 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on August 30, 2016, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 30, 2016, 01:01:28 PM
Is Flynn carrying an injury?
Flynn playing through pain barrier the last couple years. Should sit out the league next year as badly needs a break. I though he was out sunday. My source got that and McCarthy one wrong. McCarthy looked very rusty but came into game in last 15 minutes
I've read this on here numerous times. Is this fact or speculation? Why, with their strength and depth would they be playing any man who is injured, and has been carrying an injury for 2 years? Surely with the Dubs attention to detail, Flynn would have been sorted and rehabbed back @ this stage?
To me it seems he's playing like someone who's afraid he'll get injured if he pushes too hard.
And for a man who got a lot of his star quality and four All Stars for pushing so hard, it has basically taken his whole game away.
Last year, his best game was the All Ireland final (by a distance) when he probably didnt need to worry too much about a recurrance.
I'd say if he has started every game up to now, he'll definitely start the final. Such a brilliant footballer when on song
Mayo should focus on the last 20 minutes of the game. This is when Dublin will look to empty their bench and hit hard once they feel the opposition have worn themselves out trying to get ahead. They've burned Kerry doing this as Kerry do not have the legs to keep pace with Dublin for 70 minutes and are eventually run ragged after working hard to get their noses in front for most of the match. Fitness should not be an issue for Mayo as they are the only team who are really capable of holding their own against Dublin in this department. They should be looking to finish the game stronger than they started it and with their best 15 on the pitch. It may mean not starting some key personalities, but those guys are the ones you want to have full of running in the home straight if the game is there to be won.
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 30, 2016, 09:14:12 PM
Mayo should focus on the last 20 minutes of the game. This is when Dublin will look to empty their bench and hit hard once they feel the opposition have worn themselves out trying to get ahead. They've burned Kerry doing this as Kerry do not have the legs to keep pace with Dublin for 70 minutes and are eventually run ragged after working hard to get their noses in front for most of the match. Fitness should not be an issue for Mayo as they are the only team who are really capable of holding their own against Dublin in this department. They should be looking to finish the game stronger than they started it and with their best 15 on the pitch. It may mean not starting some key personalities, but those guys are the ones you want to have full of running in the home straight if the game is there to be won.
Kerry didn't keep pace with Dublin until the last 10, in truth Dublin were miles better for the majority of the game, for 55 minutes I would say. The first 25 minutes of the first half were almost boring such was Dublins supremacy. It seemed to affect them as well as they missed some easy chances and took some wrong options. Then we had the mad 10 minutes with the two goals where Kerry got on top. another brief stint in the second half and besides that it was all Dublin.
I think Kerry tried what you are suggesting by bringing in James O'Donoghue and Bryan Sheehan late on but it didn't work.
Quotein truth Dublin were miles better for the majority of the game,
a small bit of exaggeration
The goals came from Dublin backs not paying attention not a Clucko meltdown
Conor Lane to ref the final.
I believe he's much loved in Rhubarbia.
Quote from: iorras on August 31, 2016, 09:45:05 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 30, 2016, 09:14:12 PM
Mayo should focus on the last 20 minutes of the game. This is when Dublin will look to empty their bench and hit hard once they feel the opposition have worn themselves out trying to get ahead. They've burned Kerry doing this as Kerry do not have the legs to keep pace with Dublin for 70 minutes and are eventually run ragged after working hard to get their noses in front for most of the match. Fitness should not be an issue for Mayo as they are the only team who are really capable of holding their own against Dublin in this department. They should be looking to finish the game stronger than they started it and with their best 15 on the pitch. It may mean not starting some key personalities, but those guys are the ones you want to have full of running in the home straight if the game is there to be won.
Kerry didn't keep pace with Dublin until the last 10, in truth Dublin were miles better for the majority of the game, for 55 minutes I would say. The first 25 minutes of the first half were almost boring such was Dublins supremacy. It seemed to affect them as well as they missed some easy chances and took some wrong options. Then we had the mad 10 minutes with the two goals where Kerry got on top. another brief stint in the second half and besides that it was all Dublin.
I think Kerry tried what you are suggesting by bringing in James O'Donoghue and Bryan Sheehan late on but it didn't work.
Kerry were overly cautious for the first 20 minutes or so which contributed to their lack of scores early on. They only came to life after the goal, which seemed to give them confidence. The subs didn't work so well because James O'Donoghue simply hasn't played enough football this year to be properly sharp and Bryan Sheehan might be able to kick a ball, but he was hardly ever going to bring the pace and fitness levels required to go toe to toe with Dublin in the last 15/20 minutes. Kerry have shown a couple of times now that they tend to run out of steam against Dublin and Dublin know they don't have the legs for a full 70. My point merely was that Mayo have a very well-conditioned squad and they should be wise about how they utilise their physicality. They need to be good to go for the last 20.
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Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 30, 2016, 09:14:12 PM
Mayo should focus on the last 20 minutes of the game. This is when Dublin will look to empty their bench and hit hard once they feel the opposition have worn themselves out trying to get ahead. They've burned Kerry doing this as Kerry do not have the legs to keep pace with Dublin for 70 minutes and are eventually run ragged after working hard to get their noses in front for most of the match. Fitness should not be an issue for Mayo as they are the only team who are really capable of holding their own against Dublin in this department. They should be looking to finish the game stronger than they started it and with their best 15 on the pitch. It may mean not starting some key personalities, but those guys are the ones you want to have full of running in the home straight if the game is there to be won.
If the last twenty minutes of the final goes like the last twenty minutes of last year's semi-final replay I'll be happy.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 31, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
Conor Lane to ref the final.
I believe he's much loved in Rhubarbia.
I've a photo of him visiting Dublin Zoo a few years back.
Wait till Martin Breheny hears this.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 31, 2016, 08:07:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 31, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
Conor Lane to ref the final.
I believe he's much loved in Rhubarbia.
I've a photo of him visiting Dublin Zoo a few years back.
Wait till Martin Breheny hears this.
It'll be a flowing game with Lane in the middle. Decapatations or limb amputations will be the only offences blown for.😫
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 30, 2016, 09:14:12 PM
Mayo should focus on the last 20 minutes of the game. This is when Dublin will look to empty their bench and hit hard once they feel the opposition have worn themselves out trying to get ahead. They've burned Kerry doing this as Kerry do not have the legs to keep pace with Dublin for 70 minutes and are eventually run ragged after working hard to get their noses in front for most of the match. Fitness should not be an issue for Mayo as they are the only team who are really capable of holding their own against Dublin in this department. They should be looking to finish the game stronger than they started it and with their best 15 on the pitch. It may mean not starting some key personalities, but those guys are the ones you want to have full of running in the home straight if the game is there to be won.
They did the same to Mayo in the replay last year, does that not also suggest that Mayo don't have the legs to keep the pace with Dublin for 70 mins?
QuoteThey did the same to Mayo in the replay last year, does that not also suggest that Mayo don't have the legs to keep the pace with Dublin for 70 mins?
Would this years league game be a closer guide?
Quote from: Gaaggle on September 01, 2016, 08:43:00 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 30, 2016, 09:14:12 PM
Mayo should focus on the last 20 minutes of the game. This is when Dublin will look to empty their bench and hit hard once they feel the opposition have worn themselves out trying to get ahead. They've burned Kerry doing this as Kerry do not have the legs to keep pace with Dublin for 70 minutes and are eventually run ragged after working hard to get their noses in front for most of the match. Fitness should not be an issue for Mayo as they are the only team who are really capable of holding their own against Dublin in this department. They should be looking to finish the game stronger than they started it and with their best 15 on the pitch. It may mean not starting some key personalities, but those guys are the ones you want to have full of running in the home straight if the game is there to be won.
They did the same to Mayo in the replay last year, does that not also suggest that Mayo don't have the legs to keep the pace with Dublin for 70 mins?
Sure all the Mayo lads had to go back to work in the trenches for the week whilst the well off Dublin folk had a week of pampering.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 01, 2016, 09:30:38 AM
Quote from: Gaaggle on September 01, 2016, 08:43:00 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 30, 2016, 09:14:12 PM
Mayo should focus on the last 20 minutes of the game. This is when Dublin will look to empty their bench and hit hard once they feel the opposition have worn themselves out trying to get ahead. They've burned Kerry doing this as Kerry do not have the legs to keep pace with Dublin for 70 minutes and are eventually run ragged after working hard to get their noses in front for most of the match. Fitness should not be an issue for Mayo as they are the only team who are really capable of holding their own against Dublin in this department. They should be looking to finish the game stronger than they started it and with their best 15 on the pitch. It may mean not starting some key personalities, but those guys are the ones you want to have full of running in the home straight if the game is there to be won.
They did the same to Mayo in the replay last year, does that not also suggest that Mayo don't have the legs to keep the pace with Dublin for 70 mins?
Sure all the Mayo lads had to go back to work in the trenches for the week whilst the well off Dublin folk had a week of pampering.
Ah ya. McAlpine and John Murphys van will be waiting for them outside the caff in Kentish Town on Monday around 7
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 31, 2016, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 30, 2016, 09:14:12 PM
Mayo should focus on the last 20 minutes of the game. This is when Dublin will look to empty their bench and hit hard once they feel the opposition have worn themselves out trying to get ahead. They've burned Kerry doing this as Kerry do not have the legs to keep pace with Dublin for 70 minutes and are eventually run ragged after working hard to get their noses in front for most of the match. Fitness should not be an issue for Mayo as they are the only team who are really capable of holding their own against Dublin in this department. They should be looking to finish the game stronger than they started it and with their best 15 on the pitch. It may mean not starting some key personalities, but those guys are the ones you want to have full of running in the home straight if the game is there to be won.
If the last twenty minutes of the final goes like the last twenty minutes of last year's semi-final replay I'll be happy.
I was thinking the same about the original fixture! Burned us off well that day?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 01, 2016, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 31, 2016, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on August 30, 2016, 09:14:12 PM
Mayo should focus on the last 20 minutes of the game. This is when Dublin will look to empty their bench and hit hard once they feel the opposition have worn themselves out trying to get ahead. They've burned Kerry doing this as Kerry do not have the legs to keep pace with Dublin for 70 minutes and are eventually run ragged after working hard to get their noses in front for most of the match. Fitness should not be an issue for Mayo as they are the only team who are really capable of holding their own against Dublin in this department. They should be looking to finish the game stronger than they started it and with their best 15 on the pitch. It may mean not starting some key personalities, but those guys are the ones you want to have full of running in the home straight if the game is there to be won.
If the last twenty minutes of the final goes like the last twenty minutes of last year's semi-final replay I'll be happy.
I was thinking the same about the original fixture! Burned us off well that day?
Touché
Lane gave the most downright awful display of cheating from a match official that I have ever seen in last year's Galway-Derry game.
It was a disgrace and he should never have took charge of an intercounty game game after it. He was absolutely shocking in the Monaghan-Down game this year as well. He seems to pick sides very early on in games and allows one team to get away with everything and making punitive decisions against the other side for doing very little.
I would expect the referee is inevitably going to be a talking point after this game because this guy is disgraceful. When guys like him and Marty Duffy are awarded the biggest gig in the game for a referee after all the warning signs they had emitted beforehand then you really have to wonder what sort of money exchanges hands here. Duffy seems to be more just incompetent but Lane is a bad one.
Better to have a bad ref than a biased ref that does his clothes shopping in Arnotts.
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How to unlock the Dublin defence. Well, how to make Aidan O'Shea effective at full forward.
Mayo's biggest mistake with the long balls into O'Shea during the two semis last year was that he was surrounded by three Dublin defenders. Why was that you might ask? It can't be that hard to figure out. Dublin were playing a sweeper and he was instructed to be in front of O'Shea at all times. So where did the third defender come out of?
Easy. The third defender was the man marking Cillian O'Connor. Whenever the ball was played in, that defender sprinted straight away over to stand beside O'Shea. What Mayo got wrong is that Cillian O'Connor and O'Shea should do what happened in the first half of the semi final replay last year in the passage of Play leading up to Aidan O'Shea's point in the first half. Drag their markers out and that leaves the sweeper to mark the space in between them. In this phase of Play I have mentioned, a long ball is played in to O'Shea who has made a run out towards the Hogan stand sideline and O'Coonor headed out in the opoosite direction towards the Cusack and brought his man with him. McMahon got his hands to the ball but it was the only time they were one on one to a high ball in the two games.
O'Shea won it and scored a point.
Now, hopefully Rochford and co. have picked up on this. What is missing from this is somebody bursting through for O'Shea to pass to and you would then have 2 on 2 or maybe a 2 on 1 and a goalscoring chance.
Quote from: Bod Mor on September 03, 2016, 01:45:07 PM
How to unlock the Dublin defence. Well, how to make Aidan O'Shea effective at full forward.
Mayo's biggest mistake with the long balls into O'Shea during the two semis last year was that he was surrounded by three Dublin defenders. Why was that you might ask? It can't be that hard to figure out. Dublin were playing a sweeper and he was instructed to be in front of O'Shea at all times. So where did the third defender come out of?
Easy. The third defender was the man marking Cillian O'Connor. Whenever the ball was played in, that defender sprinted straight away over to stand beside O'Shea. What Mayo got wrong is that Cillian O'Connor and O'Shea should do what happened in the first half of the semi final replay last year in the passage of Play leading up to Aidan O'Shea's point in the first half. Drag their markers out and that leaves the sweeper to mark the space in between them. In this phase of Play I have mentioned, a long ball is played in to O'Shea who has made a run out towards the Hogan stand sideline and O'Coonor headed out in the opoosite direction towards the Cusack and brought his man with him. McMahon got his hands to the ball but it was the only time they were one on one to a high ball in the two games.
O'Shea won it and scored a point.
Now, hopefully Rochford and co. have picked up on this. What is missing from this is somebody bursting through for O'Shea to pass to and you would then have 2 on 2 or maybe a 2 on 1 and a goalscoring chance.
Just keep Big Aido away from Brian Fenton - he scored the goal last year with Aido huffing and puffing about 20 yards back after they both ran from midfield
Going by the mayogaablog, there'll be mad singing, chanting, and the whole shebang all through the game...
Players or fans?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 03, 2016, 08:26:38 PM
Players or fans?
Fans, trying to 'out-Dub' the Dubs in the stands. Mind you, It would be good craic if the likes of Keegan and Connolly started an oul slow waltz!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2016, 08:14:26 PM
Going by the mayogaablog, there'll be mad singing, chanting, and the whole shebang all through the game...
What are they hoping to achieve with that?
I better not hear any of that Icelandic chanting carry-on.
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2016, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2016, 08:14:26 PM
Going by the mayogaablog, there'll be mad singing, chanting, and the whole shebang all through the game...
What are they hoping to achieve with that?
No idea. They don't like the Mayo Mayo chant, and want to out sing the Dubs. Whatever makes people happy I suppose.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2016, 10:47:53 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 03, 2016, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2016, 08:14:26 PM
Going by the mayogaablog, there'll be mad singing, chanting, and the whole shebang all through the game...
What are they hoping to achieve with that?
No idea. They don't like the Mayo Mayo chant, and want to out sing the Dubs. Whatever makes people happy I suppose.
GAA supporters need to get their collective acts together regarding the singing. Tipp tried the Icelandic chant of 'Tipp! (Clap)..........Tipp! (Clap).........Tipp! (Clap)...... - but they seemed to forget the words.
The Dubs have COYBIB and we have Mayyyyyy---oh! Mayyyyyy ---oh!.
Both of which really need replacing. Badly.
How about '
We all dream of a team of Kevin Keanes?'Or
'My lovely horse' - adapted as a tribute to Michael Dara McCauley?
Thinking more about it....both sets of supporters could sing this as a tribute to everything from TSG Panel, to Des Cahill and even Gene Wilder!
https://youtu.be/uA7cz2-H_ZQ (https://youtu.be/uA7cz2-H_ZQ)
Quote from: Bod Mor on September 03, 2016, 01:45:07 PM
How to unlock the Dublin defence. Well, how to make Aidan O'Shea effective at full forward.
Mayo's biggest mistake with the long balls into O'Shea during the two semis last year was that he was surrounded by three Dublin defenders. Why was that you might ask? It can't be that hard to figure out. Dublin were playing a sweeper and he was instructed to be in front of O'Shea at all times. So where did the third defender come out of?
Easy. The third defender was the man marking Cillian O'Connor. Whenever the ball was played in, that defender sprinted straight away over to stand beside O'Shea. What Mayo got wrong is that Cillian O'Connor and O'Shea should do what happened in the first half of the semi final replay last year in the passage of Play leading up to Aidan O'Shea's point in the first half. Drag their markers out and that leaves the sweeper to mark the space in between them. In this phase of Play I have mentioned, a long ball is played in to O'Shea who has made a run out towards the Hogan stand sideline and O'Coonor headed out in the opoosite direction towards the Cusack and brought his man with him. McMahon got his hands to the ball but it was the only time they were one on one to a high ball in the two games.
O'Shea won it and scored a point.
Now, hopefully Rochford and co. have picked up on this. What is missing from this is somebody bursting through for O'Shea to pass to and you would then have 2 on 2 or maybe a 2 on 1 and a goalscoring chance.
Good post.The tactic of hoofing the ball into A.O.S in last years semi finals was asinine in the extreme and persisting with it in the replay was even worse.Listening to Stephen Rochford after last years replay he made the point that the biggest problem with Mayos attack was the lack of width to there play and everything was so predictable,so I suspect things will be different this year.Anybody think Keith Higgins could be moved up to the attack with Chris Barrett coming in to replace him at corner back.Higgins may revel in the wide open spaces of Croke Park and maybe this move would pull O Sullivan out of his comfort zone
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2016, 08:14:26 PM
Going by the mayogaablog, there'll be mad singing, chanting, and the whole shebang all through the game...
What are they hoping to achieve with that?
No idea. They don't like the Mayo Mayo chant, and want to out sing the Dubs. Whatever makes people happy I suppose.
Load of shite. There wont be much singing tomorrow in the hurling. Fans from both counties will be concentrating on every puck an cheering or moaning as appropriate.
This isn t soccer where you can go 90 mins and sometimes not a lot happens, so fans sing and chant insults at each other to pass the time.
Mayo fans at AI final will be just trying to hold it together and many will be watching from between fingers or just traumatised and stuck to the seat.
Dubs will be different because they are already well sated with success and will be celebratory from the start, anticipating a parade.
Dubs will be like an audience at a musical/pantomime while Mayo fans will be like an audience at a horror film, waiting for the scary bits and wondering how they ever agreed to go to one of these shows - again. Singing my hole!
Saw an interview with Willie joe over on the blog when he was asked why Mayo fans seemed to go silent towards the end of the 13 all ireland and he said all they were trying to do is breathe.That about sums it up for all of us.Yeah would agree that this idea of singing thro out the match is a load of B.S
Yee're far too middle aged, middle class and sensible lads ;)
Its a bloody All-Ireland final and the last time we played them in it in 2013, we were quite as lambs when the game was in the balance.... 16th man my arse. The time when we were needed most and we went missing. We were a collective embarrassment. Its nonsense to say we were just trying to breath. Thats complete bullsh*t.
Were we able to just breath in the 2nd half of the Kerry draw in '14. Of course - but we were also able to roar our heads off until we were hoarse.
The worst type of bloody supporter .... sitting back waiting for the team to do something before we getting involved
Why not roar and shout and sing all the way through .... more power to them. Why not collectively organise through the various social media channels to have a rendition of the chorus of the 'Green and Red of Mayo' commence immediately upon completion of the final bar of the National Anthem. And again at the 10th minute, the 20 minute and so on .... and promise to yourself that you will immediately stand to your feet and start roaring 'Mayo, Mayo....' the moment you hear someone else doing it. And if there is a lull/quiet period, then you don't wait for someone else - you get up and start the roaring yourself.
Yee're far too middle aged, middle class and sensible lads ? ?
Add in boring aul farts while we're at it >:(
I see nothing wrong with supporters collectively getting behind their team - particularly if things are starting to go wrong. And the most effective way of harnessing this vocal support is through singing. Just listen to the Welsh rugby supporters to hear it at its best.
Got a ticket to the 2013 final by the skin of my teeth.
I think I pointed out at the time at how surprised I was at how elderly (compared to other supporters) the Mayo fans were. Fewer kids and young adults there and way more females there than is usual.
Just got the impression the county proud supporters as opposed to the football mad fans got the tickets.
They paid for their tickets and entitled to go so no issues there.
Might account for the fatalism in the last 20 minutes or so.
Very similiar at the Down / Cork final . Way more Down fans, but all the noise done by the Cork fans.
I do wonder what the feeling in Mayo is before this match. Do they fear the worst or do they genuinely believe that they have a chance of winning the title. I get the sense that the expectation simply isn't there that might have existed for previous finals. Most people expect them to get beaten anyway and though it would give me absolutely no pleasure, it would come as no surprise to me if they were on a very heavy defeat. This Dublin team are at the peak of their powers and I just can't see anyway possible that Mayo will beat them.
Quote from: blast05 on September 04, 2016, 08:59:16 AM
Yee're far too middle aged, middle class and sensible lads ;)
Its a bloody All-Ireland final and the last time we played them in it in 2013, we were quite as lambs when the game was in the balance.... 16th man my arse. The time when we were needed most and we went missing. We were a collective embarrassment. Its nonsense to say we were just trying to breath. Thats complete bullsh*t.
Were we able to just breath in the 2nd half of the Kerry draw in '14. Of course - but we were also able to roar our heads off until we were hoarse.
The worst type of bloody supporter .... sitting back waiting for the team to do something before we getting involved
Why not roar and shout and sing all the way through .... more power to them. Why not collectively organise through the various social media channels to have a rendition of the chorus of the 'Green and Red of Mayo' commence immediately upon completion of the final bar of the National Anthem. And again at the 10th minute, the 20 minute and so on .... and promise to yourself that you will immediately stand to your feet and start roaring 'Mayo, Mayo....' the moment you hear someone else doing it. And if there is a lull/quiet period, then you don't wait for someone else - you get up and start the roaring yourself.
Yee're far too middle aged, middle class and sensible lads ? ?
Add in boring aul farts while we're at it >:(
I've no problem with roaring and shouting.
There were plenty of games where I left Croke Park without a voice.
However, I have never sang in my life at a football match (excluding the anthem).
It's not part of GAA culture and long may that continue.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 04, 2016, 12:16:53 PM
I do wonder what the feeling in Mayo is before this match. Do they fear the worst or do they genuinely believe that they have a chance of winning the title. I get the sense that the expectation simply isn't there that might have existed for previous finals. Most people expect them to get beaten anyway and though it would give me absolutely no pleasure, it would come as no surprise to me if they were on a very heavy defeat. This Dublin team are at the peak of their powers and I just can't see anyway possible that Mayo will beat them.
Superb analysis. Thanks for sharing it.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2016, 10:47:53 PM
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 03, 2016, 08:14:26 PM
Going by the mayogaablog, there'll be mad singing, chanting, and the whole shebang all through the game...
What are they hoping to achieve with that?
No idea. They don't like the Mayo Mayo chant, and want to out sing the Dubs. Whatever makes people happy I suppose.
Load of shite. There wont be much singing tomorrow in the hurling. Fans from both counties will be concentrating on every puck an cheering or moaning as appropriate.
This isn t soccer where you can go 90 mins and sometimes not a lot happens, so fans sing and chant insults at each other to pass the time.
Mayo fans at AI final will be just trying to hold it together and many will be watching from between fingers or just traumatised and stuck to the seat.
Dubs will be different because they are already well sated with success and will be celebratory from the start, anticipating a parade.
Dubs will be like an audience at a musical/pantomime while Mayo fans will be like an audience at a horror film, waiting for the scary bits and wondering how they ever agreed to go to one of these shows - again. Singing my hole!
Absolute cracker Moy ,burst a gut last nite or today (not sure of the days) but so true.
Thon the Dead Rabbits !
I'm bored so.....
Six men who stood shoulder to shoulder to bridge the sixty five years since Mayo won Sam
Willie Casey was 18 years old when he was sub on the Mayo team that won the All Ireland in 1951. He made his debut a couple of weeks later in the league against Kerry alongside Sean Flanagan as a replacement for Paddy Prendergast at full back.
John Morley made his debut for Mayo in 1961 and in his first outing against Sligo he took the field with Willie Casey who was still in his prime. Morley is rightfully seen as a legend of Mayo football. Both men served the county for thirteen seasons.
Richie Bell ran out against Fermanagh in the company of Morley in 1973 as the sun was beginning to set on Morleys career. Bell from Carramore would pick up an AI under 21 medal the following year and serve his county until the early 80s.
Dermot Flanagan whose father lifted Sam took the pitch with Bell in a Connacht final against Galway in 1983 as the latter was enjoying a swansong to his career. Flanagan would go on to represent Mayo with distinction for many years
Kenneth Mortimor and Dermot Flanagan were mainstays of the Mayo full back line that got to two All Ireland's in the 1990s. Mortimor appeared in finals for Mayo at all grades up to senior but he never got his Celtic cross.
Andy Moran stepped onto the pitch in February 2003 as a 20 year old beside Mortimor who was in his last year in a Mayo jersey. Andy is in line to start the final this year and is playing some of the best football of his career.
So there you have it. It is only 6 linked football generations since Sean Flanagan raised Sam Maguire. This will surely move to 7 if we're not successful this year.
Only five of them are Mayo men, though.
There's no doubt in Dublin that they'll win this one. It's not even arrogance - it's well-founded confidence.
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2016, 04:18:16 PM
Only five of them are Mayo men, though.
There's no doubt in Dublin that they'll win this one. It's not even arrogance - it's well-founded confidence.
Do you hear anybody arguing with them?
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2016, 04:18:16 PM
Only five of them are Mayo men, though.
There's no doubt in Dublin that they'll win this one. It's not even arrogance - it's well-founded confidence.
If both sides play well Dublin will win.
If Dublin under-perform Mayo can definitely win this game.
they have the best record against us since 2011 then anyone else. And it will be a titanic battle.
Dublin's biggest advantage is the cycle of fear that Gavin has over the players. It's very similar to Cody. He doesn't forget guys who don't turn up on big days because of the pick of players at his disposal.
the other motivating factor is to match the 70's team of 76 and 77 with a two in a row.
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Quote from: blast05 on September 04, 2016, 08:59:16 AM
Yee're far too middle aged, middle class and sensible lads ;)
Its a bloody All-Ireland final and the last time we played them in it in 2013, we were quite as lambs when the game was in the balance.... 16th man my arse. The time when we were needed most and we went missing. We were a collective embarrassment. Its nonsense to say we were just trying to breath. Thats complete bullsh*t.
Were we able to just breath in the 2nd half of the Kerry draw in '14. Of course - but we were also able to roar our heads off until we were hoarse.
The worst type of bloody supporter .... sitting back waiting for the team to do something before we getting involved
Why not roar and shout and sing all the way through .... more power to them. Why not collectively organise through the various social media channels to have a rendition of the chorus of the 'Green and Red of Mayo' commence immediately upon completion of the final bar of the National Anthem. And again at the 10th minute, the 20 minute and so on .... and promise to yourself that you will immediately stand to your feet and start roaring 'Mayo, Mayo....' the moment you hear someone else doing it. And if there is a lull/quiet period, then you don't wait for someone else - you get up and start the roaring yourself.
Yee're far too middle aged, middle class and sensible lads ? ?
Add in boring aul farts while we're at it >:(
I've no problem with roaring and shouting.
There were plenty of games where I left Croke Park without a voice.
However, I have never sang in my life at a football match (excluding the anthem).
It's not part of GAA culture and long may that continue.
Should get that Mayo 'firm' that was knocking about a few years ago on the go again, singing & fighting they were looking IIRC.
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Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2016, 04:18:16 PM
Only five of them are Mayo men, though.
There's no doubt in Dublin that they'll win this one. It's not even arrogance - it's well-founded confidence.
If both sides play well Dublin will win.
If Dublin under-perform Mayo can definitely win this game.
they have the best record against us since 2011 then anyone else. And it will be a titanic battle.
Dublin's biggest advantage is the cycle of fear that Gavin has over the players. It's very similar to Cody. He doesn't forget guys who don't turn up on big days because of the pick of players at his disposal.
the other motivating factor is to match the 70's team of 76 and 77 with a two in a row.
Probably as good a summary as any. We'll have to produce above and beyond anything we've done this year, at least 40-50 mins of the football we played in those 10 minute spells before half time in our matches so far. And still we'll need 4-5 Dublin players to have off days. And the bit of luck and the reffing decisions to go our way. Might be too much to expect for all those factors to fall into place. But hey it's an all Ireland final so who knows!
I'd like to see Mayo going hammer and tongs right from the start and get an early lead to ask some questions from Dublin. Kerry could have been dead and buried had Dublin not kicked so many wides.
Dublin answered a lot of questions against Kerry, especially when 3 down going into the last 10 mins.
To have any chance I think Mayo have to score goals and not give Dublin easy possession from kickouts.
I hope it's a proper manly contest.
As Brian Talty once said, "Give belts, get belts, get up and get on with the f**kin' game."
The hype officially kicked in today with the first flag put up on Main Street in Castlebar.
(http://c3.thejournal.ie/media/2013/05/market-square-castlebar-stabbing-752x501.png)
Wow, display of sickening arrogance in Castlebar.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 04, 2016, 09:04:14 PM
I'd like to see Mayo going hammer and tongs right from the start and get an early lead to ask some questions from Dublin. Kerry could have been dead and buried had Dublin not kicked so many wides.
Dublin answered a lot of questions against Kerry, especially when 3 down going into the last 10 mins.
To have any chance I think Mayo have to score goals and not give Dublin easy possession from kickouts.
There's no way Mayo can beat Dublin by playing football. It has to be pure dirt.
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2016, 10:52:39 PM
Wow, display of sickening arrogance in Castlebar.
Such hubris.
So much for the low-key build-up.
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Quote from: Fuzzman on September 04, 2016, 09:04:14 PM
I'd like to see Mayo going hammer and tongs right from the start and get an early lead to ask some questions from Dublin. Kerry could have been dead and buried had Dublin not kicked so many wides.
Dublin answered a lot of questions against Kerry, especially when 3 down going into the last 10 mins.
To have any chance I think Mayo have to score goals and not give Dublin easy possession from kickouts.
There's no way Mayo can beat Dublin by playing football. It has to be pure dirt.
If Keegan can work Desperate Dan into a sweat early and take an elbow or fist to the face and get him sent off again then I might have to reconsider Mayo having no chance.
Any truth in the rumour Jim McGuinness is assisting the Mayo team on the run up to the final?
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 05, 2016, 08:16:06 AM
Any truth in the rumour Jim McGuinness is assisting the Mayo team on the run up to the final?
They've had a frank discussion with each other and both of them are keen on getting back into their county jerseys.
In all seriousness, whether he is or isn't...the main thing is to make Dublin believe he is. :-X 8)
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 05, 2016, 08:16:06 AM
Any truth in the rumour Jim McGuinness is assisting the Mayo team on the run up to the final?
He's been with them since the start of last week
I'd be worried if Jim Mc was involved, one of my reasons for cautious optimism about the final was that our management team seem to have very clear tactical ideas on how to beat teams. Now I have no problem with taking help wherever it might come from if it helps us win, but if they need the help of Jim wouldn't that kinda mean they are not so sure of themselves? Jim won playing with a style of play that took a couple of years to put in place. It wasn't some tactical masterclass on the day, it was about a rigorous adherence to a structure developed over many days.
In fact I believe if Mayos line hadn't been so slow to react to the high ball into Murphy tactic in the 2012 final, Jim mightn't have that celtic cross to his name. That ball was hit 3 or 4 times before it actually worked, should have started alarm bells ringing not to mind even before the game when it was fairly obvious Donegal were going to try it at some stage.
It wouldn't take a management genius at that stage to say hit Mayo with high ball early in the final and see what happens.
Granted it was quality high ball, and Murphy is a quality player, but still, fairly obvious.
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Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 05, 2016, 08:16:06 AM
Any truth in the rumour Jim McGuinness is assisting the Mayo team on the run up to the final?
He's been with them since the start of last week
They're going to put him in goals.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 05, 2016, 10:00:35 AM
Quote from: heffo on September 05, 2016, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 05, 2016, 08:16:06 AM
Any truth in the rumour Jim McGuinness is assisting the Mayo team on the run up to the final?
He's been with them since the start of last week
They're going to put him in goals.
Sensible. He wouldn't have the legs for Fenton.
Quote from: iorras on September 05, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
I'd be worried if Jim Mc was involved, one of my reasons for cautious optimism about the final was that our management team seem to have very clear tactical ideas on how to beat teams. Now I have no problem with taking help wherever it might come from if it helps us win, but if they need the help of Jim wouldn't that kinda mean they are not so sure of themselves? Jim won playing with a style of play that took a couple of years to put in place. It wasn't some tactical masterclass on the day, it was about a rigorous adherence to a structure developed over many days.
In fact I believe if Mayos line hadn't been so slow to react to the high ball into Murphy tactic in the 2012 final, Jim mightn't have that celtic cross to his name. That ball was hit 3 or 4 times before it actually worked, should have started alarm bells ringing not to mind even before the game when it was fairly obvious Donegal were going to try it at some stage.
It wouldn't take a management genius at that stage to say hit Mayo with high ball early in the final and see what happens.
Granted it was quality high ball, and Murphy is a quality player, but still, fairly obvious.
He wrote an article in the IT back in May
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-rivals-will-need-new-game-plan-to-beat-dublin-1.2641373
"Mayo, for all the criticism they have shipped, have demonstrated a remarkable ability to play well under a tremendous weight of expectation. I feel they didn't quite have the marquee forwards and were a bit too open at the back to actually win the Sam Maguire in the last five years.
But their self-belief is clearly massive. They are so close. The Mayo seniors need to take inspiration from the U-21 team who seem to have achieved the balance between defence and attack. That U-21 team made themselves hard to beat. They competed at centrefield and let the ball in quickly to their forwards. No one failed to celebrate at the end of the final because they were defensive in orientation. They didn't relinquish the Mayo values and still played an expansive game.
I believe Mayo have the potential to beat Dublin in an All-Ireland final. But it remains to be seen if they will take the action required to make that happen.
Sweeper system
Look at what has gone on for the past few of summers. Mayo have gone in to play Dublin at their own game. Clearly, Dublin have better forwards than Mayo. So over the course of 70 minutes, Mayo lose the game and exit the championship. That lesson has been lost on them. Dublin, in contrast, shifted from 2014 and put their sweeper system in place and shored things up at the back. But the rest of their approach stayed the same.
So are the teams trying to beat Dublin this summer going to to do the smart thing that is required to actually beat Dublin?
Or are they just going to keep on doing what they have done? I've watched Mayo in Connacht and in the All-Ireland series and I have very, very rarely seen a change in style. But they need to go somewhere new in order to take this Dublin team down.
Give Dublin the respect they deserve; fine-tune a very, very detailed game plan based on what Dublin are about. Then bring your strengths. Be cognisant of the fact that Dublin have six top quality forwards; that Stephen Cluxton brings what he brings; that they have a sweeper system. So what is the best way to get around that? You can't just go in with a vague notion that you are good enough to beat this team. You need a game plan to get around Cian O'Sullivan.
You need a game plan to take advantage of the fact that their best full back in years is at the other end of the planet. You need specific strategic thinking to cope with their strengths – and their weaknesses. If Mayo do make that jump in approach and tactically, then it becomes a 50-50 game.
But the big question is whether Mayo or any other team is planning their championship campaign with that intent right now. If not, then I feel that Dublin will win the All-Ireland again. Just because they can be beaten doesn't mean they will be"
I bet he contacted them.
Iorras, JmG is a sports psychologist and a very intelligent guy and I admire the Mayo management team for having the balls to be big enough to invite him in to get his opinions and thoughts. Of course they don't need to heed him but he is quite the tactical genius in my eyes and is the man who last plotted the downfall of Dublin. That doesn't mean he will do it again but sometimes it just needs something extra to push a team over the line. Mickey Harte brought that to Tyrone in 2003 and so to me it shows Mayo are trying their best to leave no stone uncovered.
If nothing else it causes a bit of concern within the Dublin set up and has them talking about it. You saw how Kerry came up with the idea of pushing 12 men up on Cluxton's kickout and how well that worked so if Mayo can some up with something to create a bit of panic then maybe Mayo will have a chance. McGuinness sees things in games earlier than a lot of others do and he certainly out thought Gavin back in 2013.
How well Mayo use O'Shea could be the winning and losing of the game.
Mayo should be pulling out all the stops including making players aware of the consequences of winning this match
A well known hurler in the mid 1990s after winning the All-Ireland:
Interviewer: Well *****, what will it mean if ******* win the All-Ireland again next year?
***** : It'll mean I'll need a new mickey!
Didn't Jim already give away the tactic earlier in the year. Play B.Moran and AOS in the FF line.
How can taking advice from mcGuinness be possibly seen as a negative? A proven winner who if you only even read his comments above in May, those words were mildly prophetic and ring as true then as they are now. Ironically, the difficulty is that Mayo looked in a better place to challenge for an AI title before the AI series began. If they do all that McGuinness suggests (and he doesn't offer up what this ACTUALLY is) he states that it is a 50/50 game. I wonder would he revise his opinion now however. If Mayo are lloking for positives to take into the final they have won an AI U-21 title this year, both Rochford and McEntee have won AI club titles as managers and McEntee has won an AI as a player. So the management team have been there and got over the line in big games. Their biggest job will be in trying to convince the players that they have a chance. They need to play the game with absolutely no fear like the result doesn't matter and McGuinness can get into their minds and help with this process then that can only be an advantage.
I'm not saying its strictly speaking a negative, just saying that it would concern me from the point of view of potentially diluting the management teams viewpoint with another voice in there. As long as that is managed correctly then I agree it can work, and he could be a distinct asset. if Jim comes in and is taking training sessions and the like then it could be a disaster. I suppose I'm commenting without the full facts which is probably never wise, but then there would be no message boards on any topic if everyone only commented with all the facts :)
I hadn't read that IT article, its interesting all right. I would absolutely agree with him that Mayo need to maximise their strengths and he's right in his assertion that if you sit there just thinking about how you nullify Dublin you are at nothing. Regarding the Rory O'Carroll comment I think we've seen since then that Johnny Cooper is doing a fine job in that role so there mightn't be the weakness there everyone perceives there to be, and in fairness he wroth that last May.
The consensus this year is that Dublin don't panic. The evidence being offered is the Kerry 2-2 or whatever it was in 5 minutes and that Dublin kept plugging away. I think that's not correct analysis. They were under pressure on the scoreboard, sure, but I don't believe they were actually under pressure in many positions out the field. Most of their men were winning their individual battles, while the scoreboard said otherwise they probably didn't feel they were under pressure from a football perspective, and they weren't. I wonder what might happen if they come under pressure from a footballing perspective? They wont panic initially but if they find themselves suffocated or finding it hard to get scores through a whole half for example, will they start to panic a bit then? It hasn't happened to them in nearly two years, and I don't know if its going to happen on the 18th
God it'll be some craic if Mayo actually do it
Dunno about Jim McGuinness, but Alex Ferguson was spotted having a pint in Mick Byrne's!
Quote from: iorras on September 05, 2016, 02:12:59 PM
The consensus this year is that Dublin don't panic. The evidence being offered is the Kerry 2-2 or whatever it was in 5 minutes and that Dublin kept plugging away. I think that's not correct analysis. They were under pressure on the scoreboard, sure, but I don't believe they were actually under pressure in many positions out the field. Most of their men were winning their individual battles, while the scoreboard said otherwise they probably didn't feel they were under pressure from a football perspective, and they weren't. I wonder what might happen if they come under pressure from a footballing perspective? They wont panic initially but if they find themselves suffocated or finding it hard to get scores through a whole half for example, will they start to panic a bit then? It hasn't happened to them in nearly two years, and I don't know if its going to happen on the 18th
God it'll be some craic if Mayo actually do it
I don't think "panic" is the right word. I think in these games "momentum" is a massive factor, certainly was in both Dublin-Mayo games last year. A team gets a run and utterly dominates for 5 or more minutes. When you have it , it's about taking advantage and getting as much on the scoreboard as you can. When it's going against you, it's about somehow halting it and turning it around (which the Dubs find as difficult to do as any other top team)
Quote from: muppet on September 05, 2016, 02:58:03 PM
Dunno about Jim McGuinness, but Alex Ferguson was spotted having a pint in Mick Byrne's!
I heard they're getting Al Pacino in to give the pre match speech a la Any Given Sunday.😜
Quote from: yellowcard on September 05, 2016, 01:48:21 PM
If Mayo are lloking for positives to take into the final they have won an AI U-21 title this year, both Rochford and McEntee have won AI club titles as managers and McEntee has won an AI as a player. So the management team have been there and got over the line in big games.
AFAIK, Rochford has an AI club medal with Crossmolina as a player
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 05, 2016, 04:28:56 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 05, 2016, 01:48:21 PM
If Mayo are lloking for positives to take into the final they have won an AI U-21 title this year, both Rochford and McEntee have won AI club titles as managers and McEntee has won an AI as a player. So the management team have been there and got over the line in big games.
AFAIK, Rochford has an AI club medal with Crossmolina as a player
Did indeed full back iirc
muppet on Today at 02:58:03 PM
Dunno about Jim McGuinness, but Alex Ferguson was spotted having a pint in Mick Byrne's
Mick Byrnes there is a place that brings back some great memories
Will that blue mesh the stewards hold up after the full time whistle to stop supporters from entering the field be strong enough to hold back Mayo supporters if their team win this All Ireland final?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 05, 2016, 05:41:49 PM
Will that blue mesh the stewards hold up after the full time whistle to stop supporters from entering the field be strong enough to hold back Mayo supporters if their team win this All Ireland final?
Don't be worrying about the poor stewards? Their day will be taken up letting Nally stand Dubs into the Hill!
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 05, 2016, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 05, 2016, 04:28:56 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 05, 2016, 01:48:21 PM
If Mayo are lloking for positives to take into the final they have won an AI U-21 title this year, both Rochford and McEntee have won AI club titles as managers and McEntee has won an AI as a player. So the management team have been there and got over the line in big games.
AFAIK, Rochford has an AI club medal with Crossmolina as a player
Did indeed full back iirc
Half back
Quote from: stephenite on September 06, 2016, 02:39:44 AM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 05, 2016, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 05, 2016, 04:28:56 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 05, 2016, 01:48:21 PM
If Mayo are lloking for positives to take into the final they have won an AI U-21 title this year, both Rochford and McEntee have won AI club titles as managers and McEntee has won an AI as a player. So the management team have been there and got over the line in big games.
AFAIK, Rochford has an AI club medal with Crossmolina as a player
Did indeed full back iirc
Half back
Rochford was corner back, Tom Nallen was full back and Colm Reilly in the other corner. Peadar Gardiner and Pat McAndrew were wing backs and Damien Mulligan was CHB.
Muppet has been haunting me on WhatsApp all week - he's as cocky as a prize hen.
He's heading for Castlebar Monday afternoon for the homecoming and is going to take a fair run at that. Over to Ballina the Tuesday, park up the car and do a Senan on it and then see how things pan out. Some week planned.
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 10:03:46 AM
Muppet has been haunting me on WhatsApp all week - he's as cocky as a prize hen.
He's heading for Castlebar Monday afternoon for the homecoming and is going to take a fair run at that. Over to Ballina the Tuesday, park up the car and do a Senan on it and then see how things pan out. Some week planned.
I,he s a good runner alright.You the PRO for Muppet GAA club Heff?Whats his calender like round Christmas?
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 10:03:46 AM
Muppet has been haunting me on WhatsApp all week - he's as cocky as a prize hen.
He's heading for Castlebar Monday afternoon for the homecoming and is going to take a fair run at that. Over to Ballina the Tuesday, park up the car and do a Senan on it and then see how things pan out. Some week planned.
You picked me up wrong!
I invited you to go to Ballina.
But I'll be in Castlebar for the homecoming, homestaying and home sorrow-drowning or otherwise. ;D
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 02:12:40 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 10:03:46 AM
Muppet has been haunting me on WhatsApp all week - he's as cocky as a prize hen.
He's heading for Castlebar Monday afternoon for the homecoming and is going to take a fair run at that. Over to Ballina the Tuesday, park up the car and do a Senan on it and then see how things pan out. Some week planned.
I,he s a good runner alright.You the PRO for Muppet GAA club Heff?Whats his calender like round Christmas?
Come again?
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 03:03:12 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 02:12:40 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 10:03:46 AM
Muppet has been haunting me on WhatsApp all week - he's as cocky as a prize hen.
He's heading for Castlebar Monday afternoon for the homecoming and is going to take a fair run at that. Over to Ballina the Tuesday, park up the car and do a Senan on it and then see how things pan out. Some week planned.
I,he s a good runner alright.You the PRO for Muppet GAA club Heff?Whats his calender like round Christmas?
Come again?
Sorry H,i thought you were stalkin him,re knowing his movements etc but its obvious he s trailn you,and your welcome in Mayos capital any day(Ballina)
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 03:03:12 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 02:12:40 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 10:03:46 AM
Muppet has been haunting me on WhatsApp all week - he's as cocky as a prize hen.
He's heading for Castlebar Monday afternoon for the homecoming and is going to take a fair run at that. Over to Ballina the Tuesday, park up the car and do a Senan on it and then see how things pan out. Some week planned.
I,he s a good runner alright.You the PRO for Muppet GAA club Heff?Whats his calender like round Christmas?
Come again?
Sorry H,i thought you were stalkin him,re knowing his movements etc but its obvious he s trailn you,and your welcome in Mayos capital any day(Ballina)
I'm only catching every second word sorry
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 03:19:32 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 03:03:12 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 02:12:40 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 10:03:46 AM
Muppet has been haunting me on WhatsApp all week - he's as cocky as a prize hen.
He's heading for Castlebar Monday afternoon for the homecoming and is going to take a fair run at that. Over to Ballina the Tuesday, park up the car and do a Senan on it and then see how things pan out. Some week planned.
I,he s a good runner alright.You the PRO for Muppet GAA club Heff?Whats his calender like round Christmas?
Come again?
Sorry H,i thought you were stalkin him,re knowing his movements etc but its obvious he s trailn you,and your welcome in Mayos capital any day(Ballina)
I'm only catching every second word sorry
I must be writing to fast ;)
too
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 06, 2016, 03:43:40 PM
too
It's a GAA forum, not a place for correcting people's spelling.
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 03:30:23 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 03:19:32 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 03:03:12 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 02:12:40 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 10:03:46 AM
Muppet has been haunting me on WhatsApp all week - he's as cocky as a prize hen.
He's heading for Castlebar Monday afternoon for the homecoming and is going to take a fair run at that. Over to Ballina the Tuesday, park up the car and do a Senan on it and then see how things pan out. Some week planned.
I,he s a good runner alright.You the PRO for Muppet GAA club Heff?Whats his calender like round Christmas?
Come again?
Sorry H,i thought you were stalkin him,re knowing his movements etc but its obvious he s trailn you,and your welcome in Mayos capital any day(Ballina)
I'm only catching every second word sorry
I must be writing to fast ;)
I wouldn't call Heffo fast. :D
Quote from: Gaaggle on September 06, 2016, 03:48:00 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 06, 2016, 03:43:40 PM
too
It's a GAA forum, not a place for correcting people's spelling.
It's a GAA forum alright but only for intelligent posters who can spell ;)
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Quote from: Gaaggle on September 06, 2016, 03:48:00 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 06, 2016, 03:43:40 PM
too
It's a GAA forum, not a place for correcting people's spelling.
It's a GAA forum alright but only for intelligent posters who can spell ;)
Wow, you stay classy.
Spend a day in a literacy class with adults trying to better themselves and you won't be so quick to make jokes. Nothing worse than a grammar Nazi belittling folk online.
Quote from: muppet on September 06, 2016, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 03:30:23 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 03:19:32 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 03:03:12 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 02:12:40 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 10:03:46 AM
Muppet has been haunting me on WhatsApp all week - he's as cocky as a prize hen.
He's heading for Castlebar Monday afternoon for the homecoming and is going to take a fair run at that. Over to Ballina the Tuesday, park up the car and do a Senan on it and then see how things pan out. Some week planned.
I,he s a good runner alright.You the PRO for Muppet GAA club Heff?Whats his calender like round Christmas?
Come again?
Sorry H,i thought you were stalkin him,re knowing his movements etc but its obvious he s trailn you,and your welcome in Mayos capital any day(Ballina)
I'm only catching every second word sorry
I must be writing to fast ;)
I wouldn't call Heffo fast. :D
First you're planning on taking Sam west and now this??
Quote from: Gaaggle on September 06, 2016, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2016, 03:50:10 PM
Quote from: Gaaggle on September 06, 2016, 03:48:00 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 06, 2016, 03:43:40 PM
too
It's a GAA forum, not a place for correcting people's spelling.
It's a GAA forum alright but only for intelligent posters who can spell ;)
Wow, you stay classy.
Spend a day in a literacy class with adults trying to better themselves and you won't be so quick to make jokes. Nothing worse than a grammar Nazi belittling folk online.
Really? Nothing worse? That's not so bad then.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 06, 2016, 03:54:14 PM
Quote from: Gaaggle on September 06, 2016, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2016, 03:50:10 PM
Quote from: Gaaggle on September 06, 2016, 03:48:00 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 06, 2016, 03:43:40 PM
too
It's a GAA forum, not a place for correcting people's spelling.
It's a GAA forum alright but only for intelligent posters who can spell ;)
Wow, you stay classy.
Spend a day in a literacy class with adults trying to better themselves and you won't be so quick to make jokes. Nothing worse than a grammar Nazi belittling folk online.
Really? Nothing worse? That's not so bad then.
It's a figure of speech. But hey, it's obviously seen as ok here to slag people off if their spelling isn't up to scratch or insinuate they're not intelligent enough to post here. Each to their own.
I think you need to relax a bit. Surely you're not nervous about next week :)
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Surely pointing out the correct spelling to a poster is helping them ???z
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2016, 04:12:24 PM
Surely pointing out the correct spelling to a poster is helping them ???z
About as helpful as telling them it's a forum for 'intelligent posters who can spell'.
Quote from: muppet on September 06, 2016, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 03:30:23 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 03:19:32 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 03:03:12 PM
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 06, 2016, 02:12:40 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 06, 2016, 10:03:46 AM
Muppet has been haunting me on WhatsApp all week - he's as cocky as a prize hen.
He's heading for Castlebar Monday afternoon for the homecoming and is going to take a fair run at that. Over to Ballina the Tuesday, park up the car and do a Senan on it and then see how things pan out. Some week planned.
I,he s a good runner alright.You the PRO for Muppet GAA club Heff?Whats his calender like round Christmas?
Come again?
Sorry H,i thought you were stalkin him,re knowing his movements etc but its obvious he s trailn you,and your welcome in Mayos capital any day(Ballina)
I'm only catching every second word sorry
I must be writing to fast ;)
I wouldn't call Heffo fast. :D
Well then that was mean of ya inviting him Muppet ,especially if the wrong colour ribbons on the cup.
Dinny,the clue was in the wink and context of the five word sentence ;)
I just don't want you making Heffo even angrier, Muppet no one cares about.
Quote from: Gaaggle on September 06, 2016, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 06, 2016, 03:50:10 PM
Quote from: Gaaggle on September 06, 2016, 03:48:00 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 06, 2016, 03:43:40 PM
too
It's a GAA forum, not a place for correcting people's spelling.
It's a GAA forum alright but only for intelligent posters who can spell ;)
Wow, you stay classy.
Spend a day in a literacy class with adults trying to better themselves and you won't be so quick to make jokes. Nothing worse than a grammar Nazi belittling folk online.
plus won
We have more to be discussing than bad spelling and grammar on this thread.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2016, 07:24:04 PM
We have more to be discussing than bad spelling and grammar on this thread.
Have we though? I'm down home and there's hardly a word about it, never mind a flag or a sign by the side of the road.
Foregone conclusion, or just "been here before" fatigue?
Quote from: Tubberman on September 06, 2016, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2016, 07:24:04 PM
We have more to be discussing than bad spelling and grammar on this thread.
Have we though? I'm down home and there's hardly a word about it, never mind a flag or a sign by the side of the road.
Foregone conclusion, or just "been here before" fatigue?
I hope it's the latter but I just have this nagging feeling that it is a foregone conclusion!
I just hope for the first time since 1996 we can put in a full performance for 70 mins in an All Ireland final and if we come up short then that would be an improvement on previous finals!
Quote from: Tubberman on September 06, 2016, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2016, 07:24:04 PM
We have more to be discussing than bad spelling and grammar on this thread.
Have we though? I'm down home and there's hardly a word about it, never mind a flag or a sign by the side of the road.
Foregone conclusion, or just "been here before" fatigue?
Mayo are doing some serious keeping the head down
Quote from: Tubberman on September 06, 2016, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2016, 07:24:04 PM
We have more to be discussing than bad spelling and grammar on this thread.
Have we though? I'm down home and there's hardly a word about it, never mind a flag or a sign by the side of the road.
Foregone conclusion, or just "been here before" fatigue?
Maybe a bit of both.
They do be sayin I do be sayin' "do be". But they that do be sayin' I do be sayin' "do be" do be sayin' "do be" themselves ...so they do be.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 06, 2016, 09:43:05 PM
They do be sayin I do be sayin' "do be". But they that do be sayin' I do be sayin' "do be" do be sayin' "do be" themselves ...so they do be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnD0eVdHJfI
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2016, 09:28:29 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 06, 2016, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2016, 07:24:04 PM
We have more to be discussing than bad spelling and grammar on this thread.
Have we though? I'm down home and there's hardly a word about it, never mind a flag or a sign by the side of the road.
Foregone conclusion, or just "been here before" fatigue?
Maybe a bit of both.
Probably a lot of both.
Quote from: moysider on September 06, 2016, 10:47:14 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2016, 09:28:29 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 06, 2016, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2016, 07:24:04 PM
We have more to be discussing than bad spelling and grammar on this thread.
Have we though? I'm down home and there's hardly a word about it, never mind a flag or a sign by the side of the road.
Foregone conclusion, or just "been here before" fatigue?
Maybe a bit of both.
Probably a lot of both.
Never seen so much realism/negativity/calmness before a final. Most people (Mayo and neutral) you talk to seem to think it's the dub's to lose but we have an outside chance if lots of things click on the day. For a change its not the usual Irish cute hoorism. As fans we seem to know our lads have a chance if they play really well but if the dubs play better we'll lose. It ain't rocket science I suppose!
I think it's the best chance Mayo have. Previously Mayo were too inexperienced against Donegal and caught Dublin at full pelt at the peak of their powers.
Dublin have been on the road a while now and Mayo will have their homework done. Mayo have played differently at different times of the year which will make them slightly unpredictable for Gavin, while Dublin have the same system which I would expect lads like Rochford and McEntee will find holes in. They're shrewd operator's and will come with a good game plan.
It will be tight but as with Dublins victories all year how do you cope with the talent that appears for the last 10\15 minutes off the bench... Can Mayo counter it? Do they have the strength in depth to knock back the Dublin cavalry when they arrive?
I think the country hopes so but I really think it can happen!
The Rochford Files is a Gaelic football television drama series/soap opera that airs on RTE during the summer . Stars are Castlebar -based private investigator Stephen Rochford with Jimmy Matches McGuinness , in the supporting role of his mentor. The next show features Rochford investigating the Dub full back line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg1Cx26-928
What do people think of the Darragh O'Se article this week as below.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-mayo-know-emotion-won-t-bring-home-sam-1.2781927
I get the point he's making but I disagree with a lot he's saying. I think that's all fair and dandy when you are used to winning All Ireland finals and have great players but Mayo really need to up their performance is they have any chance of beating Dublin, just like Kerry upped the ante in the semi final. You do need huge hunger and push like mad to win the 50/50 balls. If you can be first to the ball and be ravenous for possession then you have a much better chance of winning in my opinion.
His point that Dublin calmly played their own patient game in that final 5 minutes of injury time and didn't panic or push too hard to do anything differently. That's a lot easier to do when you are reigning champions and have great players all around the pitch who have already been there and done that.
Clear Eyes, Full Heart, Can't Lose.
Quote from: screenexile on September 07, 2016, 12:39:32 AM
I think it's the best chance Mayo have. Previously Mayo were too inexperienced against Donegal and caught Dublin at full pelt at the peak of their powers.
Dublin have been on the road a while now and Mayo will have their homework done. Mayo have played differently at different times of the year which will make them slightly unpredictable for Gavin, while Dublin have the same system which I would expect lads like Rochford and McEntee will find holes in. They're shrewd operator's and will come with a good game plan.
It will be tight but as with Dublins victories all year how do you cope with the talent that appears for the last 10\15 minutes off the bench... Can Mayo counter it? Do they have the strength in depth to knock back the Dublin cavalry when they arrive?
I think the country hopes so but I really think it can happen!
Aren't Mayo around as long as Dublin though??? In terms of how Mayo will play the only system that Dublin wouldn't have met so far is if a team goes man to man all over the park which I don't believe Mayo will do
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 07, 2016, 03:02:43 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 07, 2016, 12:39:32 AM
I think it's the best chance Mayo have. Previously Mayo were too inexperienced against Donegal and caught Dublin at full pelt at the peak of their powers.
Dublin have been on the road a while now and Mayo will have their homework done. Mayo have played differently at different times of the year which will make them slightly unpredictable for Gavin, while Dublin have the same system which I would expect lads like Rochford and McEntee will find holes in. They're shrewd operator's and will come with a good game plan.
It will be tight but as with Dublins victories all year how do you cope with the talent that appears for the last 10\15 minutes off the bench... Can Mayo counter it? Do they have the strength in depth to knock back the Dublin cavalry when they arrive?
I think the country hopes so but I really think it can happen!
Aren't Mayo around as long as Dublin though??? In terms of how Mayo will play the only system that Dublin wouldn't have met so far is if a team goes man to man all over the park which I don't believe Mayo will do
They are but the majority of this Dublin team have 3 All Ireland medals already. It's very difficult to keep going to the well as we saw at the weekend! We keep hearing how desperately this Mayo team want Sam Maguire you'd have to think they'd be hungrier than Dublin and we've seen raw hunger trump better footballing teams before!
Don't get me wrong Dublin are still massive favourites but Mayo have a few things in their favour if they can capitalise on them!
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 07, 2016, 10:44:40 AM
What do people think of the Darragh O'Se article this week as below.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-mayo-know-emotion-won-t-bring-home-sam-1.2781927
I get the point he's making but I disagree with a lot he's saying. I think that's all fair and dandy when you are used to winning All Ireland finals and have great players but Mayo really need to up their performance is they have any chance of beating Dublin, just like Kerry upped the ante in the semi final. You do need huge hunger and push like mad to win the 50/50 balls. If you can be first to the ball and be ravenous for possession then you have a much better chance of winning in my opinion.
His point that Dublin calmly played their own patient game in that final 5 minutes of injury time and didn't panic or push too hard to do anything differently. That's a lot easier to do when you are reigning champions and have great players all around the pitch who have already been there and done that.
excellent stuff . Daragh always seems to be able to see the stuff that matters over the bluff and bullshit and blarney.
he seems to have the making of a top class manager. I know he was with the u21's a while.
is he doing anything now?
Quote from: rosnarun on September 07, 2016, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 07, 2016, 10:44:40 AM
What do people think of the Darragh O'Se article this week as below.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-mayo-know-emotion-won-t-bring-home-sam-1.2781927
I get the point he's making but I disagree with a lot he's saying. I think that's all fair and dandy when you are used to winning All Ireland finals and have great players but Mayo really need to up their performance is they have any chance of beating Dublin, just like Kerry upped the ante in the semi final. You do need huge hunger and push like mad to win the 50/50 balls. If you can be first to the ball and be ravenous for possession then you have a much better chance of winning in my opinion.
His point that Dublin calmly played their own patient game in that final 5 minutes of injury time and didn't panic or push too hard to do anything differently. That's a lot easier to do when you are reigning champions and have great players all around the pitch who have already been there and done that.
excellent stuff . Daragh always seems to be able to see the stuff that matters over the bluff and bullshit and blarney.
he seems to have the making of a top class manager. I know he was with the u21's a while.
is he doing anything now?
Doing weekly chats with Keith Duggan apparently
R Hennelly, T Cunniffe, G Cafferkey, C Barrett, L Keegan, D Vaughan, C Boyle, A O'Shea, S O'Shea, K McLoughlin, K Higgins, A Dillion, C O'Connor, A Freeman, A Moran.
The lads in bold will more than likely not start the next day. Well Cunniffe and Cafferkey are certs not to!
Clarke, Harrison, Parsons, Diarmuid O'Connor, Doherty are likely starters.
So our starting Full back line from 2013 has vanished along with the Keeper!
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 07, 2016, 05:00:50 PM
R Hennelly, T Cunniffe, G Cafferkey, C Barrett, L Keegan, D Vaughan, C Boyle, A O'Shea, S O'Shea, K McLoughlin, K Higgins, A Dillion, C O'Connor, A Freeman, A Moran.
The lads in bold will more than likely not start the next day. Well Cunniffe and Cafferkey are certs not to!
Clarke, Harrison, Parsons, Diarmuid O'Connor, Doherty are likely starters.
So our starting Full back line from 2013 has vanished along with the Keeper!
Wouldn't be the first time a Mayo full back line disappeared.
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
It will be hard to beat the Dubs at home. Beating any team at home in a knockout competition is hard! How many of those 27 games were knockout in nature and against a team playing at home?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 07, 2016, 09:06:00 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
It will be hard to beat the Dubs at home. Beating any team at home in a knockout competition is hard! How many of those 27 games were knockout in nature and against a team playing at home?
Getting your excuses in early? ;)
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 07, 2016, 09:06:00 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
It will be hard to beat the Dubs at home. Beating any team at home in a knockout competition is hard! How many of those 27 games were knockout in nature and against a team playing at home?
Getting your excuses in early? ;)
Getting my facts in. But hey, close your eyes and don't think about such a question. You'll enjoy the result more!
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2016, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
So let's just discount beating the likes of Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Roscommon and Monaghan. And let's forget that Dublin have won the last four National League titles.
Daragh O'Se's articles are top class, devoid of all bulls**t.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 07, 2016, 05:00:50 PM
R Hennelly, T Cunniffe, G Cafferkey, C Barrett, L Keegan, D Vaughan, C Boyle, A O'Shea, S O'Shea, K McLoughlin, K Higgins, A Dillion, C O'Connor, A Freeman, A Moran.
The lads in bold will more than likely not start the next day. Well Cunniffe and Cafferkey are certs not to!
Clarke, Harrison, Parsons, Diarmuid O'Connor, Doherty are likely starters.
So our starting Full back line from 2013 has vanished along with the Keeper!
I'm half expecting Chris to start this.
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2016, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
Says the man whose county were knocked out of the championship by a division 3 team.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
I'm afraid the Dubs on here are going to have to debate this one on their own. Do the Devil's Advocate stuff with themselves as it were. The most optimistic among us are no more than hopeful that something very unlikely might possibly happen. It's a forlorn hope though.
Mayo have failed to beat teams a lot less formidable than this Dublin team in AI finals. Let's call a spade a spade. Some Dublin posters need to stop pretending that this might be anything other than a formality.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 07, 2016, 05:00:50 PM
R Hennelly, T Cunniffe, G Cafferkey, C Barrett, L Keegan, D Vaughan, C Boyle, A O'Shea, S O'Shea, K McLoughlin, K Higgins, A Dillion, C O'Connor, A Freeman, A Moran.
The lads in bold will more than likely not start the next day. Well Cunniffe and Cafferkey are certs not to!
Clarke, Harrison, Parsons, Diarmuid O'Connor, Doherty are likely starters.
So our starting Full back line from 2013 has vanished along with the Keeper!
Expected more changes than that in 3 years. If Barrett doesnt start then both will make 3 changes to their defences. Goalkeeper wise have Mayo a better option there now and is Cluxton best days behind him? In 3 years some players can be past their peak others reaching it. This final should tell all.
Quote from: moysider on September 07, 2016, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 07, 2016, 05:00:50 PM
R Hennelly, T Cunniffe, G Cafferkey, C Barrett, L Keegan, D Vaughan, C Boyle, A O'Shea, S O'Shea, K McLoughlin, K Higgins, A Dillion, C O'Connor, A Freeman, A Moran.
The lads in bold will more than likely not start the next day. Well Cunniffe and Cafferkey are certs not to!
Clarke, Harrison, Parsons, Diarmuid O'Connor, Doherty are likely starters.
So our starting Full back line from 2013 has vanished along with the Keeper!
I'm half expecting Chris to start this.
Half expecting the same thing with Higgins moving into the forwards with maybe jason Doc dropping to the bench.It goes with out saying that Caff is a huge loss and when his season was ended early on in the year I was sure Mayos hopes for Sam were to,
Quote from: maigheo on September 08, 2016, 02:41:20 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 07, 2016, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 07, 2016, 05:00:50 PM
R Hennelly, T Cunniffe, G Cafferkey, C Barrett, L Keegan, D Vaughan, C Boyle, A O’Shea, S O’Shea, K McLoughlin, K Higgins, A Dillion, C O’Connor, A Freeman, A Moran.
The lads in bold will more than likely not start the next day. Well Cunniffe and Cafferkey are certs not to!
Clarke, Harrison, Parsons, Diarmuid O'Connor, Doherty are likely starters.
So our starting Full back line from 2013 has vanished along with the Keeper!
I'm half expecting Chris to start this.
Half expecting the same thing with Higgins moving into the forwards with maybe jason Doc dropping to the bench.It goes with out saying that Caff is a huge loss and when his season was ended early on in the year I was sure Mayos hopes for Sam were to,
looks bad but I would expect both Higgins and chris barrett, maybe even at full back to cover Brogan, to start and both were on that team , hennelly have been swapping jersey for a while now.
I really think this is the strongest mayo team to have gone up for a final and definitely the one with the clears Game plan .
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2016, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
So let's just discount beating the likes of Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Roscommon and Monaghan. And let's forget that Dublin have won the last four National League titles.
Where were all these knockout games played? How come ye have to have all your games at home?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 08, 2016, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2016, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
So let's just discount beating the likes of Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Roscommon and Monaghan. And let's forget that Dublin have won the last four National League titles.
Where were all these knockout games played? How come ye have to have all your games at home?
With your home dressing room........... :-X
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 08, 2016, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2016, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
So let's just discount beating the likes of Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Roscommon and Monaghan. And let's forget that Dublin have won the last four National League titles.
Where were all these knockout games played? How come ye have to have all your games at home?
So it's hardly worth Mayo's time travelling.... So much for always looking on the bright side of life. :D
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2016, 04:18:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 08, 2016, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2016, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
So let's just discount beating the likes of Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Roscommon and Monaghan. And let's forget that Dublin have won the last four National League titles.
Where were all these knockout games played? How come ye have to have all your games at home?
So it's hardly worth Mayo's time travelling.... So much for always looking on the bright side of life. :D
Yerra, we'll go up to cheer on the Galway minors and pay homage to the best team in history.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2016, 04:18:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 08, 2016, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2016, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
So let's just discount beating the likes of Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Roscommon and Monaghan. And let's forget that Dublin have won the last four National League titles.
Where were all these knockout games played? How come ye have to have all your games at home?
So it's hardly worth Mayo's time travelling.... So much for always looking on the bright side of life. :D
You are not one for answering questions Hill is Blue. Are you? Keep those eyes and ears closed!
If you are in a position of privilege and advantage unlikely that you would want to admit it or engage in debate about it. You make the most of it.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 08, 2016, 06:29:10 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2016, 04:18:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 08, 2016, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2016, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
So let's just discount beating the likes of Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Roscommon and Monaghan. And let's forget that Dublin have won the last four National League titles.
Where were all these knockout games played? How come ye have to have all your games at home?
So it's hardly worth Mayo's time travelling.... So much for always looking on the bright side of life. :D
You are not one for answering questions Hill is Blue. Are you? Keep those eyes and ears closed!
Why not get off the hobby horse for a while and revel in the fact that your county is about to play in an All Ireland final in one of the best stadiums in Europe. There are thirty one counties who would gladly swap places with Mayo and play on the hallowed ground.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2016, 04:18:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 08, 2016, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2016, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
So let's just discount beating the likes of Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Roscommon and Monaghan. And let's forget that Dublin have won the last four National League titles.
Where were all these knockout games played? How come ye have to have all your games at home?
So it's hardly worth Mayo's time travelling.... So much for always looking on the bright side of life. :D
It's always worth travelling for the pints of porter after the game with Dubs win lose or draw ( normally lose!!) and I for one will be raising a pint glass in recognition of a great achievement of back to back titles for a great Dublin team. ;)
As long as none of the pubs have the Sunday game on with all the Mayo god Help us stuff being spouted I will be happy enough with my pint of plain!!! ;D
Sure we tried our best not to get into the final this year so we wouldn't ruin it for everyone else!! ;D
It will be a pity though when the likes of O'Rourke , Spillane and Brolly won't give the Dubs the credit for back to back All Irelands because the only beat Mayo but the the last two back to back titles came for Cork who beat us in 89 first and Kerry who beat us in 06 first so at least you got the hard title out of the way last year which should give you some street cred over the Kingdom and the Rebels!! 8)
Right I am off to watch ESPN 30 for 30 the Four Falls of Buffalo to get myself ready for the inevitable on the 18th!
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 09, 2016, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2016, 04:18:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 08, 2016, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2016, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
So let's just discount beating the likes of Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Roscommon and Monaghan. And let's forget that Dublin have won the last four National League titles.
Where were all these knockout games played? How come ye have to have all your games at home?
So it's hardly worth Mayo's time travelling.... So much for always looking on the bright side of life. :D
It's always worth travelling for the pints of porter after the game with Dubs win lose or draw ( normally lose!!) and I for one will be raising a pint glass in recognition of a great achievement of back to back titles for a great Dublin team. ;)
As long as none of the pubs have the Sunday game on with all the Mayo god Help us stuff being spouted I will be happy enough with my pint of plain!!! ;D
Sure we tried our best not to get into the final this year so we wouldn't ruin it for everyone else!! ;D
It will be a pity though when the likes of O'Rourke , Spillane and Brolly won't give the Dubs the credit for back to back All Irelands because the only beat Mayo but the the last two back to back titles came for Cork who beat us in 89 first and Kerry who beat us in 06 first so at least you got the hard title out of the way last year which should give you some street cred over the Kingdom and the Rebels!! 8)
Right I am off to watch ESPN 30 for 30 the Four Falls of Buffalo to get myself ready for the inevitable on the 18th!
Leaving aside all the bluff and bluster on both sides this is a 50/50 game with Mayo definitely having every chance of winning. We only have to remember the drawn semi-final last year to see that there is nothing between the teams. As a Dubs supporter I wouldn't be at all confident.
Waiting now for the "trouble in the Mayo camp", "injured in training", "doubtful for the final" stories to surface shortly. Serious efforts to downplay their chances.
I for one haven't forgotten how good Mayo were last year and the year before (not to mention 2012 and 2013) when they had claims to be the best team in Ireland.
Am very fearful of Mayo tbh. Despite all their poor mouthing they are exactly where they expected to be at the beginning of the season. They destroyed us in 2006 and 2012 .
I wouldn't consider being beaten by a point and 3 points, respectively, as being 'destroyed' in 2006 and 2012.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 09, 2016, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 09, 2016, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2016, 04:18:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 08, 2016, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2016, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
So let's just discount beating the likes of Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Roscommon and Monaghan. And let's forget that Dublin have won the last four National League titles.
Where were all these knockout games played? How come ye have to have all your games at home?
So it's hardly worth Mayo's time travelling.... So much for always looking on the bright side of life. :D
It's always worth travelling for the pints of porter after the game with Dubs win lose or draw ( normally lose!!) and I for one will be raising a pint glass in recognition of a great achievement of back to back titles for a great Dublin team. ;)
As long as none of the pubs have the Sunday game on with all the Mayo god Help us stuff being spouted I will be happy enough with my pint of plain!!! ;D
Sure we tried our best not to get into the final this year so we wouldn't ruin it for everyone else!! ;D
It will be a pity though when the likes of O'Rourke , Spillane and Brolly won't give the Dubs the credit for back to back All Irelands because the only beat Mayo but the the last two back to back titles came for Cork who beat us in 89 first and Kerry who beat us in 06 first so at least you got the hard title out of the way last year which should give you some street cred over the Kingdom and the Rebels!! 8)
Right I am off to watch ESPN 30 for 30 the Four Falls of Buffalo to get myself ready for the inevitable on the 18th!
Leaving aside all the bluff and bluster on both sides this is a 50/50 game with Mayo definitely having every chance of winning. We only have to remember the drawn semi-final last year to see that there is nothing between the teams. As a Dubs supporter I wouldn't be at all confident.
Being serious Hill is Blue , most Mayo fans would see it as 60/40 or 70/30 for the Dubs mainly due to you having the edge over us in terms of firepower(starting and coming off the bench) and the patchy form which has persisted in every game bar the Tyrone game.
Up front while Andy is having an indian summer and Aidan is improving steadily in every game the rest of our forwards are struggling for consistent form including Cillian , DO'C , Jason Doc and Evan Regan. Much like they team the have flashed top form in games but don't seem to be able to sustain it.
Yeah the Dubs have lost O'Carroll and McCaffrey but Mayo have no recognised fullback with Caff being out for the year and Kevin Keane operating at best around 50% because of his shoulder problem!
The lack of Hype in Mayo , while we would all like to think we are the second coming of cute Kerry hoors , it is more down to weariness amongst the fans of coming up short to the best in a final/semi final and the realisation that this Dublin team are superb unit in terms of talent and team , maybe the best of the modern era , so there are not many weaknesses to exploit.
Do I think we can win on the 18th? Yes absolutely we are very close and have been for the last 4 years but if you asked me what I honestly expect to happen I would say it is the Dubs by 4 or 5 points in the end because when you stack the team personnel , form , squad depth up against each other then that is the logical outcome with both teams performing near to 100%.
If Mayo do finally do it this year it will have nothing to do with , a lack of hype , coming in under the radar , complacent Dubs , hunger ,luck or the ref etc.. it will be because we outworked , out thought and out performed the Dubs on the day. How does this happen? Well I think we will have to be operating close to 100% and the Dubs need to be 5 or 10% below the norm and we have to set up in away so we can move the Dubs out of their patterns at the start and again on the last 10 mins of the game.Conceding no goals is necessary because I don't think we have any hope in a shoot out and we will have to hold the Dubs to 13 or 14 points to have any chance.
James Horan questions Dublin bench
We're a little over a week out from the All-Ireland football final and the excitement is starting to ratchet up.
There's more talk about it now, more attention being focused on the two camps.
Usually, once the hurling final is done and dusted, all of our microscopes in the GAA world turn in the direction of the football decider and that is the case again now.
You can see the media interviews starting to filter through these last few days and over the coming week the thoughts and opinions of a lot of former players and analysts will be garnered.
These opinions and thoughts are vital to the build-up and colour of the game but as for the final itself are they important?
Not one bit. Unless there is something crazy said about one team in the lead up to the game the players won't even notice.
The media have a job to do and the players have a job to do as well. Simple as that. They are very different jobs and it's only between the white lines on Sunday week that the players will be concerned at what is happening.
Strength in depth
The first thing I would look at in striking a first blow of analysis is the strength in depth of both sides.
Essentially, this considers the use of subs and the strategy around their deployment.
In the past few seasons the bench has been an area where Dublin have been strong. Really strong. Indeed the perception is still there that they have an amazing bench.
But I would challenge that. With Kevin McManamon a guaranteed starter on final day, their firepower off the bench is considerably diminished as a result.
Yes, Paul Mannion looks fast and strong but he has little confidence in himself and loses a lot of ball in contact. Eoghan O'Gara is a real menace in fairness to him but he can be hit and miss too.
Dublin, for me, don't heavily outweigh Mayo in the subs department like some people feel they do.
Paddy Andrews is below his best form this year, although he is starting to come into his own again.
Denis Bastick is a very steady influence in the middle of the field and in defence outside of Michael Fitszimmons there is no real consistent cover.
On the other side I would feel that Mayo have a much strengthened bench that will add to the cause when needed.
Chris Barrett, if he doesn't start, is gaining as a player all the time. Tom Parsons, again if he doesn't start, will only add to their performance levels.
Conor O'Shea, Evan Regan and Conor Loftus have youth and pace on their side and will revel in the opening spaces if given the chance.
Both teams have ample cover up front but it is a little sketchy at the back. But Dublin, for me, don't heavily outweigh Mayo in the subs department like some people feel they do.
Discipline
Another area I would like to focus in on is the fact that Mayo are conceding too many scoreable frees.
I think there is some sloppy tackling going on with extending arms, which will always make it an easy decision for a ref to give a free, particularly against a McManamon or a Ciaran Kilkenny who look to engage the opposition.
Dublin will look to run at Mayo directly one on one from 55 yards out. They will feel they can get a high free count which will allow Dean Rock to step up and shine. Rock has been next to flawless all year long with his free-taking and it's a real bonus for the Dubs to be strong in this area.
As I have mentioned previously, take away the scores from frees for Dublin and there average margin and return from play goes way down, so this is an important point to make.
Mayo's tackling needs to be crisp and controlled, forcing the Dublin player to make the hard shot, not the soft free for Dean.
There is hope for Mayo if they can achieve this because Bernard Brogan, Paul Flynn and Ciaran Kilkenny are off their normal shooting returns. So far anyway.
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 09, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 09, 2016, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 09, 2016, 11:47:06 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 08, 2016, 04:18:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 08, 2016, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 07, 2016, 10:16:13 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 07, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
So let's just discount beating the likes of Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Roscommon and Monaghan. And let's forget that Dublin have won the last four National League titles.
Where were all these knockout games played? How come ye have to have all your games at home?
So it's hardly worth Mayo's time travelling.... So much for always looking on the bright side of life. :D
It's always worth travelling for the pints of porter after the game with Dubs win lose or draw ( normally lose!!) and I for one will be raising a pint glass in recognition of a great achievement of back to back titles for a great Dublin team. ;)
As long as none of the pubs have the Sunday game on with all the Mayo god Help us stuff being spouted I will be happy enough with my pint of plain!!! ;D
Sure we tried our best not to get into the final this year so we wouldn't ruin it for everyone else!! ;D
It will be a pity though when the likes of O'Rourke , Spillane and Brolly won't give the Dubs the credit for back to back All Irelands because the only beat Mayo but the the last two back to back titles came for Cork who beat us in 89 first and Kerry who beat us in 06 first so at least you got the hard title out of the way last year which should give you some street cred over the Kingdom and the Rebels!! 8)
Right I am off to watch ESPN 30 for 30 the Four Falls of Buffalo to get myself ready for the inevitable on the 18th!
Leaving aside all the bluff and bluster on both sides this is a 50/50 game with Mayo definitely having every chance of winning. We only have to remember the drawn semi-final last year to see that there is nothing between the teams. As a Dubs supporter I wouldn't be at all confident.
Being serious Hill is Blue , most Mayo fans would see it as 60/40 or 70/30 for the Dubs mainly due to you having the edge over us in terms of firepower(starting and coming off the bench) and the patchy form which has persisted in every game bar the Tyrone game.
Up front while Andy is having an indian summer and Aidan is improving steadily in every game the rest of our forwards are struggling for consistent form including Cillian , DO'C , Jason Doc and Evan Regan. Much like they team the have flashed top form in games but don't seem to be able to sustain it.
Yeah the Dubs have lost O'Carroll and McCaffrey but Mayo have no recognised fullback with Caff being out for the year and Kevin Keane operating at best around 50% because of his shoulder problem!
The lack of Hype in Mayo , while we would all like to think we are the second coming of cute Kerry hoors , it is more down to weariness amongst the fans of coming up short to the best in a final/semi final and the realisation that this Dublin team are superb unit in terms of talent and team , maybe the best of the modern era , so there are not many weaknesses to exploit.
Do I think we can win on the 18th? Yes absolutely we are very close and have been for the last 4 years but if you asked me what I honestly expect to happen I would say it is the Dubs by 4 or 5 points in the end because when you stack the team personnel , form , squad depth up against each other then that is the logical outcome with both teams performing near to 100%.
If Mayo do finally do it this year it will have nothing to do with , a lack of hype , coming in under the radar , complacent Dubs , hunger ,luck or the ref etc.. it will be because we outworked , out thought and out performed the Dubs on the day. How does this happen? Well I think we will have to be operating close to 100% and the Dubs need to be 5 or 10% below the norm and we have to set up in away so we can move the Dubs out of their patterns at the start and again on the last 10 mins of the game.Conceding no goals is necessary because I don't think we have any hope in a shoot out and we will have to hold the Dubs to 13 or 14 points to have any chance.
Excellent and honest analysis, IMO you have summed up a lot of Mayo fans feelings and expectations.
This will be All-Ireland number nine for me, including draws.
I have said this before, I really respect what this group have done for Mayo football. How could you not. They have made us proud to be Mayo people.
Tactically we are more astute, however, I feel our lack of firepower up front may be our undoing, in addition to the fact that we are most likely meeting the most athletically talented team I have probably ever seen playing the game. Population issues dictate that of course, but not going there today.
Crete like yourself I hope I am wrong.
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On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
So let's just discount beating the likes of Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Roscommon and Monaghan. And let's forget that Dublin have won the last four National League titles.
Where were all these knockout games played? How come ye have to have all your games at home?
So it's hardly worth Mayo's time travelling.... So much for always looking on the bright side of life. :D
It's always worth travelling for the pints of porter after the game with Dubs win lose or draw ( normally lose!!) and I for one will be raising a pint glass in recognition of a great achievement of back to back titles for a great Dublin team. ;)
As long as none of the pubs have the Sunday game on with all the Mayo god Help us stuff being spouted I will be happy enough with my pint of plain!!! ;D
Sure we tried our best not to get into the final this year so we wouldn't ruin it for everyone else!! ;D
It will be a pity though when the likes of O'Rourke , Spillane and Brolly won't give the Dubs the credit for back to back All Irelands because the only beat Mayo but the the last two back to back titles came for Cork who beat us in 89 first and Kerry who beat us in 06 first so at least you got the hard title out of the way last year which should give you some street cred over the Kingdom and the Rebels!! 8)
Right I am off to watch ESPN 30 for 30 the Four Falls of Buffalo to get myself ready for the inevitable on the 18th!
Leaving aside all the bluff and bluster on both sides this is a 50/50 game with Mayo definitely having every chance of winning. We only have to remember the drawn semi-final last year to see that there is nothing between the teams. As a Dubs supporter I wouldn't be at all confident.
Being serious Hill is Blue , most Mayo fans would see it as 60/40 or 70/30 for the Dubs mainly due to you having the edge over us in terms of firepower(starting and coming off the bench) and the patchy form which has persisted in every game bar the Tyrone game.
Up front while Andy is having an indian summer and Aidan is improving steadily in every game the rest of our forwards are struggling for consistent form including Cillian , DO'C , Jason Doc and Evan Regan. Much like they team the have flashed top form in games but don't seem to be able to sustain it.
Yeah the Dubs have lost O'Carroll and McCaffrey but Mayo have no recognised fullback with Caff being out for the year and Kevin Keane operating at best around 50% because of his shoulder problem!
The lack of Hype in Mayo , while we would all like to think we are the second coming of cute Kerry hoors , it is more down to weariness amongst the fans of coming up short to the best in a final/semi final and the realisation that this Dublin team are superb unit in terms of talent and team , maybe the best of the modern era , so there are not many weaknesses to exploit.
Do I think we can win on the 18th? Yes absolutely we are very close and have been for the last 4 years but if you asked me what I honestly expect to happen I would say it is the Dubs by 4 or 5 points in the end because when you stack the team personnel , form , squad depth up against each other then that is the logical outcome with both teams performing near to 100%.
If Mayo do finally do it this year it will have nothing to do with , a lack of hype , coming in under the radar , complacent Dubs , hunger ,luck or the ref etc.. it will be because we outworked , out thought and out performed the Dubs on the day. How does this happen? Well I think we will have to be operating close to 100% and the Dubs need to be 5 or 10% below the norm and we have to set up in away so we can move the Dubs out of their patterns at the start and again on the last 10 mins of the game.Conceding no goals is necessary because I don't think we have any hope in a shoot out and we will have to hold the Dubs to 13 or 14 points to have any chance.
superb post. When you look through the Mayo panel, there's some serious operators in every sector of the pitch and have defenders to look after a few of the Dublin big hitters, well as best as any players can. If it all comes together on the day, Mayo can absolutely win this game. I'd very rarely have a look over on Hoganstand, but had a read through a few threads there. There's some amount of balloons posting on that site and they'll be a lot of Dubs giving the old internet a wide birth if Mayo do pull the rabbit out of the hat ! Up Achill, Up Muranny, Up the Greenway, Up big Bald Grainne, Up McGings, UP MAYO ye boy ye!
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On the face of it we have fifteen men playing fifteen men so why shouldn't either team win. Then you look at Dublin's phenomonel unbeaten run of twenty seven games against all-comers and you have to admit that they have to be a special team to achieve this. However in Mayo's favour it has to be conceded that each new victory in that unbeaten run brings the Dubs one game closer to the inevitable defeat.
A good chunk of those 27 teams were in Leinster so they wouldn't count. Flourbags and Taytobags are very poor by historic standards
So let's just discount beating the likes of Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Roscommon and Monaghan. And let's forget that Dublin have won the last four National League titles.
Where were all these knockout games played? How come ye have to have all your games at home?
So it's hardly worth Mayo's time travelling.... So much for always looking on the bright side of life. :D
It's always worth travelling for the pints of porter after the game with Dubs win lose or draw ( normally lose!!) and I for one will be raising a pint glass in recognition of a great achievement of back to back titles for a great Dublin team. ;)
As long as none of the pubs have the Sunday game on with all the Mayo god Help us stuff being spouted I will be happy enough with my pint of plain!!! ;D
Sure we tried our best not to get into the final this year so we wouldn't ruin it for everyone else!! ;D
It will be a pity though when the likes of O'Rourke , Spillane and Brolly won't give the Dubs the credit for back to back All Irelands because the only beat Mayo but the the last two back to back titles came for Cork who beat us in 89 first and Kerry who beat us in 06 first so at least you got the hard title out of the way last year which should give you some street cred over the Kingdom and the Rebels!! 8)
Right I am off to watch ESPN 30 for 30 the Four Falls of Buffalo to get myself ready for the inevitable on the 18th!
Leaving aside all the bluff and bluster on both sides this is a 50/50 game with Mayo definitely having every chance of winning. We only have to remember the drawn semi-final last year to see that there is nothing between the teams. As a Dubs supporter I wouldn't be at all confident.
Being serious Hill is Blue , most Mayo fans would see it as 60/40 or 70/30 for the Dubs mainly due to you having the edge over us in terms of firepower(starting and coming off the bench) and the patchy form which has persisted in every game bar the Tyrone game.
Up front while Andy is having an indian summer and Aidan is improving steadily in every game the rest of our forwards are struggling for consistent form including Cillian , DO'C , Jason Doc and Evan Regan. Much like they team the have flashed top form in games but don't seem to be able to sustain it.
Yeah the Dubs have lost O'Carroll and McCaffrey but Mayo have no recognised fullback with Caff being out for the year and Kevin Keane operating at best around 50% because of his shoulder problem!
The lack of Hype in Mayo , while we would all like to think we are the second coming of cute Kerry hoors , it is more down to weariness amongst the fans of coming up short to the best in a final/semi final and the realisation that this Dublin team are superb unit in terms of talent and team , maybe the best of the modern era , so there are not many weaknesses to exploit.
Do I think we can win on the 18th? Yes absolutely we are very close and have been for the last 4 years but if you asked me what I honestly expect to happen I would say it is the Dubs by 4 or 5 points in the end because when you stack the team personnel , form , squad depth up against each other then that is the logical outcome with both teams performing near to 100%.
If Mayo do finally do it this year it will have nothing to do with , a lack of hype , coming in under the radar , complacent Dubs , hunger ,luck or the ref etc.. it will be because we outworked , out thought and out performed the Dubs on the day. How does this happen? Well I think we will have to be operating close to 100% and the Dubs need to be 5 or 10% below the norm and we have to set up in away so we can move the Dubs out of their patterns at the start and again on the last 10 mins of the game.Conceding no goals is necessary because I don't think we have any hope in a shoot out and we will have to hold the Dubs to 13 or 14 points to have any chance.
Excellent and honest analysis, IMO you have summed up a lot of Mayo fans feelings and expectations.
This will be All-Ireland number nine for me, including draws.
I have said this before, I really respect what this group have done for Mayo football. How could you not. They have made us proud to be Mayo people.
Tactically we are more astute, however, I feel our lack of firepower up front may be our undoing, in addition to the fact that we are most likely meeting the most athletically talented team I have probably ever seen playing the game. Population issues dictate that of course, but not going there today.
Crete like yourself I hope I am wrong.
Number 9 for me too Joemamas!! God I feel old just remembering the joy and hope I felt when Larry hit that goal in 89 and now I will be watching his son looking for goals in the minor final , in the maroon of Galway to add insult to injury!! :'(
Hope he doesn't go starting any rows....
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Hope he doesn't go starting any rows....
Sure it'll be grand if there is any Meath men in the ground the will all make a bee line for wherever Liam Mac is just like all those years ago!! ;D
2014 was very hard for Mayo based on comments here . If ye had been told the team would be back in the final within 2 years with a manager who knows how to win it might have looked different. Mayo are definitely good enough.
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Hope he doesn't go starting any rows....
Sure it'll be grand if there is any Meath men in the ground the will all make a bee line for wherever Liam Mac is just like all those years ago!! ;D
20. This year, where has the time gone,
Quote from: Canalman on September 09, 2016, 12:02:15 PM
I for one haven't forgotten how good Mayo were last year and the year before (not to mention 2012 and 2013) when they had claims to be the best team in Ireland.
Am very fearful of Mayo tbh.
Last year and years before was then and this is now. Be truly honest, is Mayos form of 2016 something Dublin should be fearful of?
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I for one haven't forgotten how good Mayo were last year and the year before (not to mention 2012 and 2013) when they had claims to be the best team in Ireland.
Am very fearful of Mayo tbh.
Last year and years before was then and this is now. Be truly honest, is Mayos form of 2016 something Dublin should be fearful of?
I still remember the shock of Dublin losing to Donegal in 1992. No Dublin supporter saw that coming. When it comes to a final previous form goes out the window and anything can happen.
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I for one haven't forgotten how good Mayo were last year and the year before (not to mention 2012 and 2013) when they had claims to be the best team in Ireland.
Am very fearful of Mayo tbh.
Last year and years before was then and this is now. Be truly honest, is Mayos form of 2016 something Dublin should be fearful of?
I still remember the shock of Dublin losing to Donegal in 1992. No Dublin supporter saw that coming. When it comes to a final previous form goes out the window and anything can happen.
I've been following Mayo football for too long now but I've maintained since 2004 that we'd need to fall over the line for our first AI win even if we were patently the better team. I still say that will be the case when it happens. Who knows if that day is Sunday week.
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I for one haven't forgotten how good Mayo were last year and the year before (not to mention 2012 and 2013) when they had claims to be the best team in Ireland.
Am very fearful of Mayo tbh.
Last year and years before was then and this is now. Be truly honest, is Mayos form of 2016 something Dublin should be fearful of?
I still remember the shock of Dublin losing to Donegal in 1992. No Dublin supporter saw that coming. When it comes to a final previous form goes out the window and anything can happen.
Standard and quality wise you can't even compare the 1992 Dublin team with the current one that is aiming for 4 All Irelands in 6 years. 1991 to 1994 Sam spent its years in Ulster making that 1992 result less of a shock now in hindsight.
Form from my memory has held up fairly well in senior AI finals however I'm not sure what hindsight could be used if Mayo in their 2016 form won this final against what is regarded by many as the greatest Dublin team of All time.
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I for one haven't forgotten how good Mayo were last year and the year before (not to mention 2012 and 2013) when they had claims to be the best team in Ireland.
Am very fearful of Mayo tbh.
Last year and years before was then and this is now. Be truly honest, is Mayos form of 2016 something Dublin should be fearful of?
I still remember the shock of Dublin losing to Donegal in 1992. No Dublin supporter saw that coming. When it comes to a final previous form goes out the window and anything can happen.
Standard and quality wise you can't even compare the 1992 Dublin team with the current one that is aiming for 4 All Irelands in 6 years. 1991 to 1994 Sam spent its years in Ulster making that 1992 result less of a shock now in hindsight.
Form from my memory has held up fairly well in senior AI finals however I'm not sure what hindsight could be used if Mayo in their 2016 form won this final against what is regarded by many as the greatest Dublin team of All time.
The Dublin team of the early 90s was a little like the current Mayo team. They contested three finals in four years and finally fell over the line at their last attempt. Of course Mayo could do it on Sunday week - and with more style than Dublin did in 1995.
Dublin 1995 was the worst team I have ever seen win the senior football All Ireland. Dublin had to wait until 2011 to reach another All Ireland final but look at them now :o
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 09, 2016, 09:31:14 PM
The Dublin team of the early 90s was a little like the current Mayo team. They contested three finals in four years and finally fell over the line at their last attempt. Of course Mayo could do it on Sunday week - and with more style than Dublin did in 1995.
If they get a referee equally blind to and ignorant of the rules perhaps, ie, if a player is sent off he actually has to leave the field of play (no offence Charlie, you beaut ya), and when a bouncing ball is flicked up it actually isn't a foul off the frigging ground!*
* But we're not bitter. ;)
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 09, 2016, 09:31:14 PM
The Dublin team of the early 90s was a little like the current Mayo team. They contested three finals in four years and finally fell over the line at their last attempt. Of course Mayo could do it on Sunday week - and with more style than Dublin did in 1995.
If they get a referee equally blind to and ignorant of the rules perhaps, ie, if a player is sent off he actually has to leave the field of play (no offence Charlie, you beaut ya), and when a bouncing ball is flicked up it actually isn't a foul off the frigging ground!*
* But we're not bitter. ;)
Just mildly annoyed since the 03/05/08! :)
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 09, 2016, 11:32:32 PM
Just mildly annoyed since the 03/05/08! :)
Huh? '08 was a GREAT year for us!* ;)
* FECKING annoyed since 17/9/95! :)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 09, 2016, 11:26:42 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 09, 2016, 09:31:14 PM
The Dublin team of the early 90s was a little like the current Mayo team. They contested three finals in four years and finally fell over the line at their last attempt. Of course Mayo could do it on Sunday week - and with more style than Dublin did in 1995.
If they get a referee equally blind to and ignorant of the rules perhaps, ie, if a player is sent off he actually has to leave the field of play (no offence Charlie, you beaut ya), and when a bouncing ball is flicked up it actually isn't a foul off the frigging ground!*
* But we're not bitter. ;)
It could have all been so different. Art would have got a well deserved AI win and Tyrone wouldn't have had to resort to puke football to eventually win it.
Quote from: moysider on September 09, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
It could have all been so different. Art would have got a well deserved AI win and Tyrone wouldn't have had to resort to puke football to eventually win it.
Borrow that leaf from our book for Sunday week, would yez bleedin' ever! :)
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Quote from: moysider on September 09, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
It could have all been so different. Art would have got a well deserved AI win and Tyrone wouldn't have had to resort to puke football to eventually win it.
Borrow that leaf from our book for Sunday week, would yez bleedin' ever! :)
I'd happily settle for a puke covered blanket, as long as we win.
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Quote from: moysider on September 09, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
It could have all been so different. Art would have got a well deserved AI win and Tyrone wouldn't have had to resort to puke football to eventually win it.
Borrow that leaf from our book for Sunday week, would yez bleedin' ever! :)
Should have done it a long time ago!
Whatever happens on Sunday week, 96, 97 and semi in 99 will always haunt me most.
'96 drawn game is the one that haunts me. At the back of the canal end with 7 mins to go I foolishly thought we had the game won. I said to the lads we should move to the front so we can get over the fence at the final whistle, one of them said hold tight, this isn't over yet. Still thought we had it in the bag at the end, couldn't believe it when that ball bounced in front of madden over the bar. It felt like a lost game, worse than any before or since for me anyway.
We were given some abuse by a section of the meath supporters at the end as we left the terrace, they had run the length of the pitch from the hill and up to the back of the terrace where they roared some crap about stealing land from them and starting spitting down on the crowd below.
Hopefully the naivety of those Mayo teams will be banished Sunday week by a good honest, clever performance for the full 70+ mins, even if we lose.
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'96 drawn game is the one that haunts me. At the back of the canal end with 7 mins to go I foolishly thought we had the game won. I said to the lads we should move to the front so we can get over the fence at the final whistle, one of them said hold tight, this isn't over yet. Still thought we had it in the bag at the end, couldn't believe it when that ball bounced in front of madden over the bar. It felt like a lost game, worse than any before or since for me anyway.
We were given some abuse by a section of the meath supporters at the end as we left the terrace, they had run the length of the pitch from the hill and up to the back of the terrace where they roared some crap about stealing land from them and starting spitting down on the crowd below.
Hopefully the naivety of those Mayo teams will be banished Sunday week by a good honest, clever performance for the full 70+ mins, even if we lose.
Sickening arrogance.
The thing I remember about 96 is the gimp of Maughan. The shorts and the tan. And they got so close.
John the Baptist for Galway 2 years later.
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Quote from: Mayoffs on September 10, 2016, 12:59:31 AM
'96 drawn game is the one that haunts me. At the back of the canal end with 7 mins to go I foolishly thought we had the game won. I said to the lads we should move to the front so we can get over the fence at the final whistle, one of them said hold tight, this isn't over yet. Still thought we had it in the bag at the end, couldn't believe it when that ball bounced in front of madden over the bar. It felt like a lost game, worse than any before or since for me anyway.
We were given some abuse by a section of the meath supporters at the end as we left the terrace, they had run the length of the pitch from the hill and up to the back of the terrace where they roared some crap about stealing land from them and starting spitting down on the crowd below.
Hopefully the naivety of those Mayo teams will be banished Sunday week by a good honest, clever performance for the full 70+ mins, even if we lose.
Sickening arrogance.
Arrogance of youth.
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Word through the grapevine tonight is that Keith Higgins has suffered a nasty fall, not in training either. A fcking poxy accident at home, of all the bad luck. Damaged ribs I've been told from a reliable source.
This is a frigging nightmare, we need him badly if we're to have any chance. Going for a pint now.
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Word through the grapevine tonight is that Keith Higgins has suffered a nasty fall, not in training either. A fcking poxy accident at home, of all the bad luck. Damaged ribs I've been told from a reliable source.
This is a frigging nightmare, we need him badly if we're to have any chance. Going for a pint now.
Higgins will be a massive loss but in all honesty they would probably need Willie Joe Padden, Liam McHale and Kieran McDonald all playing in their prime to have any chance anyway. Will be a massive loss for the player himself though as it could well have been his last chance at playing in an AI final.
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 10, 2016, 10:18:40 PM
Word through the grapevine tonight is that Keith Higgins has suffered a nasty fall, not in training either. A fcking poxy accident at home, of all the bad luck. Damaged ribs I've been told from a reliable source.
This is a frigging nightmare, we need him badly if we're to have any chance. Going for a pint now.
That, if true, is a massive blow. But, on the bright side, just fecking go for it, regardless of whatever hardships have befallen, just fecking go for it, you're not EVEN Connacht Champions! Simples! ;)
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Quote from: Mayoffs on September 10, 2016, 10:18:40 PM
Word through the grapevine tonight is that Keith Higgins has suffered a nasty fall, not in training either. A fcking poxy accident at home, of all the bad luck. Damaged ribs I've been told from a reliable source.
This is a frigging nightmare, we need him badly if we're to have any chance. Going for a pint now.
That, if true, is a massive blow. But, on the bright side, just fecking go for it, regardless of whatever hardships have befallen, just fecking go for it, you're not EVEN Connacht Champions! Simples! ;)
Would you prefer an ulster medal or a place in the all Ireland? It's a big decision in a town called malice
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Those rosy days are few these days for Throne
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 10, 2016, 10:18:40 PM
Word through the grapevine tonight is that Keith Higgins has suffered a nasty fall, not in training either. A fcking poxy accident at home, of all the bad luck. Damaged ribs I've been told from a reliable source.
This is a frigging nightmare, we need him badly if we're to have any chance. Going for a pint now.
If it's true it's being kept quiet. Not a mention of it anywhere else so far.
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Quote from: moysider on September 09, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
It could have all been so different. Art would have got a well deserved AI win and Tyrone wouldn't have had to resort to puke football to eventually win it.
Borrow that leaf from our book for Sunday week, would yez bleedin' ever! :)
Should have done it a long time ago!
Whatever happens on Sunday week, 96, 97 and semi in 99 will always haunt me most.
Why 97 & 99?
I can understand 96 certainly but were well beaten in those games in 97 & 99.
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Quote from: moysider on September 09, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
It could have all been so different. Art would have got a well deserved AI win and Tyrone wouldn't have had to resort to puke football to eventually win it.
Borrow that leaf from our book for Sunday week, would yez bleedin' ever! :)
Should have done it a long time ago!
Whatever happens on Sunday week, 96, 97 and semi in 99 will always haunt me most.
Why 97 & 99?
I can understand 96 certainly but were well beaten in those games in 97 & 99.
Yeah, '96 was the chance. 1997 Mayo were running on empty for the season. 1997 we were so hammered by Cork. And in fairness we go two chances in '96 and could not take either.
Just wondering where Mayo would fit in terms of Standard in relation to Donegal and Kerry? Would many on this board see them as not as good as teams named?
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Quote from: moysider on September 09, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
It could have all been so different. Art would have got a well deserved AI win and Tyrone wouldn't have had to resort to puke football to eventually win it.
Borrow that leaf from our book for Sunday week, would yez bleedin' ever! :)
Should have done it a long time ago!
Whatever happens on Sunday week, 96, 97 and semi in 99 will always haunt me most.
Why 97 & 99?
I can understand 96 certainly but were well beaten in those games in 97 & 99.
Yeah, '96 was the chance. 1997 Mayo were running on empty for the season. 1997 we were so hammered by Cork. And in fairness we go two chances in '96 and could not take either.
Kerry beat Mayo in 97
Mayo are certainly better than Donegal and probably better than Kerry but Kerry have better forwards so tend to eke out the wins against a Mayo team that are as good as anyone 1-9 but you can't depend on their forwards to clip a few vital scores to edge tight games against opposition at the same level as themselves.
If Mayo's forwards have a good day against Dublin then they've a great chance if they don't then they will be beaten for sure.
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Quote from: moysider on September 09, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
It could have all been so different. Art would have got a well deserved AI win and Tyrone wouldn't have had to resort to puke football to eventually win it.
Borrow that leaf from our book for Sunday week, would yez bleedin' ever! :)
Should have done it a long time ago!
Whatever happens on Sunday week, 96, 97 and semi in 99 will always haunt me most.
Why 97 & 99?
I can understand 96 certainly but were well beaten in those games in 97 & 99.
Yeah, '96 was the chance. 1997 Mayo were running on empty for the season. 1997 we were so hammered by Cork. And in fairness we go two chances in '96 and could not take either.
Kerry beat Mayo in 97
Sorry, ment to say 1999!
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 06:51:38 PM
Mayo are certainly better than Donegal and probably better than Kerry but Kerry have better forwards so tend to eke out the wins against a Mayo team that are as good as anyone 1-9 but you can't depend on their forwards to clip a few vital scores to edge tight games against opposition at the same level as themselves.
If Mayo's forwards have a good day against Dublin then they've a great chance if they don't then they will be beaten for sure.
Kerry always have good forwards, but this year - I'd struggle to think of them having more than 2 top class forwards on form?
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 06:51:38 PM
Mayo are certainly better than Donegal and probably better than Kerry but Kerry have better forwards so tend to eke out the wins against a Mayo team that are as good as anyone 1-9 but you can't depend on their forwards to clip a few vital scores to edge tight games against opposition at the same level as themselves.
If Mayo's forwards have a good day against Dublin then they've a great chance if they don't then they will be beaten for sure.
On this years form Mayo are not better than Kerry and probably would have lost to Kerry in the final if they played them. Debatable on this years form if Mayo are better than Donegal either.
Best hope of Mayo winning this final is by making the game a low scoring game. Don't be surprised if this final becomes a defensive dog fight like the league contest between the two was this year.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 11, 2016, 07:11:41 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 06:51:38 PM
Mayo are certainly better than Donegal and probably better than Kerry but Kerry have better forwards so tend to eke out the wins against a Mayo team that are as good as anyone 1-9 but you can't depend on their forwards to clip a few vital scores to edge tight games against opposition at the same level as themselves.
If Mayo's forwards have a good day against Dublin then they've a great chance if they don't then they will be beaten for sure.
On this years form Mayo are not better than Kerry and probably would have lost to Kerry in the final if they played them. Debatable on this years form if Mayo are better than Donegal either.
Best hope of Mayo winning this final is by making the game a low scoring game. Don't be surprised if this final becomes a defensive dog fight like the league contest between the two was this year.
.......Or like against Tyrone?
Kerry can't be judged on anything this year! They beat Tipp and Clare twice! Because of their draw they ended up an unknown quantity playing Dublin and even after that game people are still unsure of their standing. A past legacy keeps them considered with the big boys!
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2016, 07:17:18 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 11, 2016, 07:11:41 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 06:51:38 PM
Mayo are certainly better than Donegal and probably better than Kerry but Kerry have better forwards so tend to eke out the wins against a Mayo team that are as good as anyone 1-9 but you can't depend on their forwards to clip a few vital scores to edge tight games against opposition at the same level as themselves.
If Mayo's forwards have a good day against Dublin then they've a great chance if they don't then they will be beaten for sure.
On this years form Mayo are not better than Kerry and probably would have lost to Kerry in the final if they played them. Debatable on this years form if Mayo are better than Donegal either.
Best hope of Mayo winning this final is by making the game a low scoring game. Don't be surprised if this final becomes a defensive dog fight like the league contest between the two was this year.
.......Or like against Tyrone?
Kerry can't be judged on anything this year! They beat Tipp and Clare twice! Because of their draw they ended up an unknown quantity playing Dublin and even after that game people are still unsure of their standing. A past legacy keeps them considered with the big boys!
Will have to be more defensive than that as Dublin are not going to score just 12 times from 33 attempts.
Kerry were the second best team in NFL this year which included a win in MacHale park. If Dublin win the All Ireland final next Sunday by a comfortable margin then we can also take it as granted that Kerry were the second best team in the All Ireland championship however second means nothing to Kerry!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 11, 2016, 07:31:34 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2016, 07:17:18 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 11, 2016, 07:11:41 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 06:51:38 PM
Mayo are certainly better than Donegal and probably better than Kerry but Kerry have better forwards so tend to eke out the wins against a Mayo team that are as good as anyone 1-9 but you can't depend on their forwards to clip a few vital scores to edge tight games against opposition at the same level as themselves.
If Mayo's forwards have a good day against Dublin then they've a great chance if they don't then they will be beaten for sure.
On this years form Mayo are not better than Kerry and probably would have lost to Kerry in the final if they played them. Debatable on this years form if Mayo are better than Donegal either.
Best hope of Mayo winning this final is by making the game a low scoring game. Don't be surprised if this final becomes a defensive dog fight like the league contest between the two was this year.
.......Or like against Tyrone?
Kerry can't be judged on anything this year! They beat Tipp and Clare twice! Because of their draw they ended up an unknown quantity playing Dublin and even after that game people are still unsure of their standing. A past legacy keeps them considered with the big boys!
Will have to be more defensive than that as Dublin are not going to score just 12 times from 33 attempts.
Kerry were the second best team in NFL this year which included a win in MacHale park. If Dublin win the All Ireland final next Sunday by a comfortable margin then we can also take it as granted that Kerry were the second best team in the All Ireland championship however second means nothing to Kerry!
Take it from me, the way things are on the streets and by-roads of Mayo Second does not mean much here either!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 11, 2016, 07:31:34 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2016, 07:17:18 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 11, 2016, 07:11:41 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 06:51:38 PM
Mayo are certainly better than Donegal and probably better than Kerry but Kerry have better forwards so tend to eke out the wins against a Mayo team that are as good as anyone 1-9 but you can't depend on their forwards to clip a few vital scores to edge tight games against opposition at the same level as themselves.
If Mayo's forwards have a good day against Dublin then they've a great chance if they don't then they will be beaten for sure.
On this years form Mayo are not better than Kerry and probably would have lost to Kerry in the final if they played them. Debatable on this years form if Mayo are better than Donegal either.
Best hope of Mayo winning this final is by making the game a low scoring game. Don't be surprised if this final becomes a defensive dog fight like the league contest between the two was this year.
.......Or like against Tyrone?
Kerry can't be judged on anything this year! They beat Tipp and Clare twice! Because of their draw they ended up an unknown quantity playing Dublin and even after that game people are still unsure of their standing. A past legacy keeps them considered with the big boys!
Will have to be more defensive than that as Dublin are not going to score just 12 times from 33 attempts.
Kerry were the second best team in NFL this year which included a win in MacHale park. If Dublin win the All Ireland final next Sunday by a comfortable margin then we can also take it as granted that Kerry were the second best team in the All Ireland championship however second means nothing to Kerry!
Kerry are second best in the same sense that Mars is the second most habitable planet in the solar system.
Mayo always have been more of a match-up issue for Dublin than Kerry are, though their form this year and overall since the 2013 suggests a terminal decline.
I was listening to this today. 2 injured swans for Mayo next Sunday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ver0lMNMgw
To never have considered losing
as if to win is by your choosing
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 11, 2016, 07:11:41 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 06:51:38 PM
Mayo are certainly better than Donegal and probably better than Kerry but Kerry have better forwards so tend to eke out the wins against a Mayo team that are as good as anyone 1-9 but you can't depend on their forwards to clip a few vital scores to edge tight games against opposition at the same level as themselves.
If Mayo's forwards have a good day against Dublin then they've a great chance if they don't then they will be beaten for sure.
On this years form Mayo are not better than Kerry and probably would have lost to Kerry in the final if they played them. Debatable on this years form if Mayo are better than Donegal either.
Best hope of Mayo winning this final is by making the game a low scoring game. Don't be surprised if this final becomes a defensive dog fight like the league contest between the two was this year.
Don't really get this form talk about Mayo, they've done enough and have the experience to be able to deliver on the big day. Neither Kerry or Donegal were shooting the lights out this year either and I'd have backed Mayo to beat Donegal had they met. Wouldn't have been as confident against Kerry but they should beat the current Kerry team more often than not. Put a McManus or Brogan in their team and I think they beat Kerry 7 out of 10 times.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2016, 07:08:55 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 06:51:38 PM
Mayo are certainly better than Donegal and probably better than Kerry but Kerry have better forwards so tend to eke out the wins against a Mayo team that are as good as anyone 1-9 but you can't depend on their forwards to clip a few vital scores to edge tight games against opposition at the same level as themselves.
If Mayo's forwards have a good day against Dublin then they've a great chance if they don't then they will be beaten for sure.
Kerry always have good forwards, but this year - I'd struggle to think of them having more than 2 top class forwards on form?
True, but you can imagine the Gooch or O'Donoghue getting 1-3 or 0-4 from play having done little before. Not sure you can for most of the Mayo forwards. If Regan, Doherty and COC can find their shooting boots then Mayo can win. They need the usual suspects to perform, which I think will happen, and one or two players, ideally forwards, to have a MOM-type performance.
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 08:41:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2016, 07:08:55 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 06:51:38 PM
Mayo are certainly better than Donegal and probably better than Kerry but Kerry have better forwards so tend to eke out the wins against a Mayo team that are as good as anyone 1-9 but you can't depend on their forwards to clip a few vital scores to edge tight games against opposition at the same level as themselves.
If Mayo's forwards have a good day against Dublin then they've a great chance if they don't then they will be beaten for sure.
Kerry always have good forwards, but this year - I'd struggle to think of them having more than 2 top class forwards on form?
True, but you can imagine the Gooch or O'Donoghue getting 1-3 or 0-4 from play having done little before. Not sure you can for most of the Mayo forwards. If Regan, Doherty and COC can find their shooting boots then Mayo can win. They need the usual suspects to perform, which I think will happen, and one or two players, ideally forwards, to have a MOM-type performance.
Not this year and we are talking of the present (not the future or the past)? And probably not from now on from The Gooch!
Still wouldn't rule it for them. That's the point though, those guys have done it so it means you could see them do it again (whether they do or not is pure speculation). You can't say Regan, Doherty, Freeman or to a lesser degree COC have done it in the past in All Irelands for example. Probably going off on a bit of a tangent anyway as it doesn't matter whether the Gooch can do it on the big stage, the question is whether a few Mayo forwards can. If they do, then I think they match up pretty well in other areas against the Dubs.
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 09:38:50 PM
Still wouldn't rule it for them. That's the point though, those guys have done it so it means you could see them do it again (whether they do or not is pure speculation). You can't say Regan, Doherty, Freeman or to a lesser degree COC have done it in the past in All Irelands for example. Probably going off on a bit of a tangent anyway as it doesn't matter whether the Gooch can do it on the big stage, the question is whether a few Mayo forwards can. If they do, then I think they match up pretty well in other areas against the Dubs.
Yeah but Freeman and Regan won't be playing? Why pick them as examples? You gave Gooch and JOD as an example in present day! All poor examples!
Not really, Regan could be playing and will see action and I mentioned Doherty and COC too. O'Loughlin or AOS haven't been prolific and DOC has struggled in the past two games with injury. Of (any) starting Mayo forward line I'd only expect Andy Moran and DOC to get 3 or more scores from play and even then that's a big ask for both. I couldn't see any other forward do it which is an issue. Of course someone might but they haven't the track record to prove it possible/likely, unlike the Kerry players I mentioned.
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 09:49:15 PM
Not really, Regan could be playing and will see action and I mentioned Doherty and COC too. O'Loughlin or AOS haven't been prolific and DOC has struggled in the past two games with injury. Of (any) starting Mayo forward line I'd only expect Andy Moran and DOC to get 3 or more scores from play and even then that's a big ask for both. I couldn't see any other forward do it which is an issue. Of course someone might but they haven't the track record to prove it possible/likely, unlike the Kerry players I mentioned.
Then why did you not mention Moran or DOC in you original post only, instead of possible Mayo subs? What is JOD and Gooches Scoring record in finals the last 5 years?
Not sure what you're arguing anymore? Are you saying the Mayo forwards are proven big game scorers? I didn't mention Moran or DOC for the same reason I didn't use Geaney as the Kerry example. Those guys have been going well and I expect them to go well next Sunday but if Mayo are to win then players like Regan, Doherty, COC or AOS need to get more from play than they have been. Not sure what is unreasonable about that.
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 10:06:22 PM
Not sure what you're arguing anymore? Are you saying the Mayo forwards are proven big game scorers? I didn't mention Moran or DOC for the same reason I didn't use Geaney as the Kerry example. Those guys have been going well and I expect them to go well next Sunday but if Mayo are to win then players like Regan, Doherty, COC or AOS need to get more from play than they have been. Not sure what is unreasonable about that.
You picked players as an example for Mayo who more than likely won't be playing and expect them out of the blue to put a big game in from the bench. You named two Kerry forwards who have not done it in a long time as Marquee forwards, True they have done it in the past - But we are talking of the present. Then you proceed to talk about players that are on form (once quizzed). Why did you not mention these Mayo players and Kerry player (Geaney) the first time?
Who came up with the phrase marquee forward? It always reminds me of Declan Nerney.
For the reason I just gave you!! I said Mayo's big game players will perform (amongst them DOC and Andy M) and that Mayo 1-9 are as good as anybody but that some Mayo forwards would have to put in a scoring performance they haven't often shown previously for them to win. I didn't originally mention AOS or O'Loughlin as their game isn't about scoring primarily and they can play very well without doing that. It wold be a massive boost to Mayo's chances if AOS finished with 1-2 but he could be very influential without doing that. I mentioned Doherty and Regan as two players for example that could prove to be the difference if they had a 0-3 day from play.
Again I have no idea what you're arguing, perhaps you can clarify. I haven't picked players that are more than likely going to be on the bench bar possibly one and he will see action. I mentioned Doherty and COC in fact, one a regular starter the other at least the match of a Gooch or O'Donoughue in the Mayo set up so it's nonsense to say I wasn't comparing like with like. I could see Darren O'Sullivan get 1-1 in an All Ireland too for example.
You seem to be focusing on the minutiae of the point I'm making for some reason which is simply that a few Mayo forwards who haven't a proven track record of big game scoring need to have a good day. If you think the same applies to Kerry, fine, I don't. You're entitled to your opinion.
Agree with Zulu; amongst other things, one of our forwards would need to have a scorcher on Sunday or all of our forwards to have a good day for us to win
Midfield is where it will be won or lost though, we've struggled here all year and we need to change that on Sunday - probably need ~ 60% possession to win it.
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 10:30:14 PM
For the reason I just gave you!! I said Mayo's big game players will perform (amongst them DOC and Andy M) and that Mayo 1-9 are as good as anybody but that some Mayo forwards would have to put in a scoring performance they haven't often shown previously for them to win. I didn't originally mention AOS or O'Loughlin as their game isn't about scoring primarily and they can play very well without doing that. It wold be a massive boost to Mayo's chances if AOS finished with 1-2 but he could be very influential without doing that. I mentioned Doherty and Regan as two players for example that could prove to be the difference if they had a 0-3 day from play.
Again I have no idea what you're arguing, perhaps you can clarify. I haven't picked players that are more than likely going to be on the bench bar possibly one and he will see action. I mentioned Doherty and COC in fact, one a regular starter the other at least the match of a Gooch or O'Donoughue in the Mayo set up so it's nonsense to say I wasn't comparing like with like. I could see Darren O'Sullivan get 1-1 in an All Ireland too for example.
You seem to be focusing on the minutiae of the point I'm making for some reason which is simply that a few Mayo forwards who haven't a proven track record of big game scoring need to have a good day. If you think the same applies to Kerry, fine, I don't. You're entitled to your opinion.
How much action has Regan and Freeman seen in our 3 games in Croker? Why pick them to start now? You did not answer my question on your examples of the Gooch and JOD about what they had scored in finals the last 5 years? You have now gone down the line and picked Darran O'Sullivan to get 1-1 in a final? Two scores that's prolific? It's the usual lazy analysis. Why did you not pick DOC and Andy Moran and say they'll never score 4 points? Why? Do you think O'Shea could score 1-1? Doherty could score 1-1? Higgins could score 1-1?
Dublin will win this, but please move away from the stereotypes!
Apologies for bringing Kerry into this, but bar Geaney, they are as thin as us if not thinner in the forward line (this year).
It isn't a stereotype and you may not like hearing it but Doherty, Regan, Freeman, COC, O'Loughlin and AOS are not proven scorers from play at the top level and Higgins certainly isn't. They are all good players and the likes of O'Loughlin, Higgins and AOS don't need to be scoring forwards to play well as that isn't really their game. The point I'm making is that for Mayo to win a player or two who isn't a proven scorer needs to have a good day in front of the posts. I expect DOC and AM to get 3 or 4 points between them, COC to get 3 or 4 from frees and the half back line/back line to get 2 or 3 from play. That's around 11 points from the usual sources but I doubt that's enough. If one or two others could come up big it might be enough to get over the line as I think Mayo can limit Dublin more than any other team. You can agree or disagree with that if you like. I've made my point.
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 11:03:02 PM
It isn't a stereotype and you may not like hearing it but Doherty, Regan, Freeman, COC, O'Loughlin and AOS are not proven scorers from play at the top level and Higgins certainly isn't. They are all good players and the likes of O'Loughlin, Higgins and AOS don't need to be scoring forwards to play well as that isn't really their game. The point I'm making is that for Mayo to win a player or two who isn't a proven scorer needs to have a good day in front of the posts. I expect DOC and AM to get 3 or 4 points between them, COC to get 3 or 4 from frees and the half back line/back line to get 2 or 3 from play. That's around 11 points from the usual sources but I doubt that's enough. If one or two others could come up big it might be enough to get over the line as I think Mayo can limit Dublin more than any other team. You can agree or disagree with that if you like. I've made my point.
That is a fair analysis. The examples used earlier were poor!
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2016, 11:03:02 PM
It isn't a stereotype and you may not like hearing it but Doherty, Regan, Freeman, COC, O'Loughlin and AOS are not proven scorers from play at the top level and Higgins certainly isn't. They are all good players and the likes of O'Loughlin, Higgins and AOS don't need to be scoring forwards to play well as that isn't really their game. The point I'm making is that for Mayo to win a player or two who isn't a proven scorer needs to have a good day in front of the posts. I expect DOC and AM to get 3 or 4 points between them, COC to get 3 or 4 from frees and the half back line/back line to get 2 or 3 from play. That's around 11 points from the usual sources but I doubt that's enough. If one or two others could come up big it might be enough to get over the line as I think Mayo can limit Dublin more than any other team. You can agree or disagree with that if you like. I've made my point.
Jees lads ye have gone round in so many circles my head is spinning! I get what you're saying though Zulu, some Mayo lads have to play like they haven't in recent memory and increase their scoring rate (I'm ignoring Kerry because they are irrelevant at this stage). I'd disagree with you on COC though, he has a strong record of scoring from play in big games. The 2 games against Kerry in 2014, the Dublin games last year when he wasn't supposed to be in great form for example. Even against your beloved lads, he scored 3 from play. I expect he'll have a big say on Sunday but he has to stay nearer to goal. For me, the biggest issue with Cillian is he has spent too much time away from goal. This is possibly because Andy is the focus of the attack now, but when he's closer to goal he's lethal.
@Zulu - who is this O'Loughlin guy you keep going on about?
The strength of Mayo has been the distribution of scorers, typically have 9 or 10 different scorers. Check the stats. Cillian O'Connor is the second highest scorer in the championship this year, mainly from placed balls I'll grant it but that's they way they measure it. Mayo don't have forwards is a bit of a myth that the facts don't stack up with, consistently running up big scores over the past 6 seasons.
We don't have some unreal jinky 0-9 from play corner forward (well we do in Conor Loftus but he may not play the next day, then again it wouldn't surprise me at all if Rochford did a Cody and threw him in from the start)
Quote(well we do in Conor Loftus but he may not play the next day, then again it wouldn't surprise me at all if Rochford did a Cody and threw him in from the start)
I feel the same, I reckon he will start again with an extra forward playing in around the HB line, either Loftus or COS. We need to 'occupy' Cian O'Sullivan to have any chance of getting scores from play and to avoid easy turnovers.
Is Loftus a long range shooter?
from 2004
All-Ireland SFC Final Mayo v Kerry: Keith Duggan talks to Mayo's James Nallen who says he does not play merely to win an All-Ireland medal.In 1997, when Mayo last went into All-Ireland meltdown as they prepared to meet Kerry that September, James Nallen was safely cloistered in Maynooth. He found sanctuary in the university laboratories as a senior technician in the physics department.Seven years later and Mayo are back in the same situation, but Nallen now wears a white coat around NUI Galway. Driving back and forth across the most tempestuous football borders in Connacht has been a new experience for the senior man of the Mayo defence.
Although a son of Crossmolina, although a survivor of some scarring years for Mayo football, Nallen has been forcibly struck by the magnitude of this game for people in the county. Football is Mayo. Mayo is football. Maybe not a law of physics but something that is equally rigid in the mindset of his county men. "In 1997 I just had no idea of what the feeling was like," he says over a mineral water in Breaffy House. Nallen has just returned from a public evening in the nearby football field and like the rest of the team was stunned by the numbers that showed up. "It is different this time even though the comparisons will be made with that game. But I guess the further away you go from the past experiences like that Kerry game, the harder it is to remember what they were like. And they are the ones you don't want to have for life." Trite to say it, but that 1997 All-Ireland was played in a different country. The video of a forgettable match is framed by the backdrop of the antediluvian Croke Park and shows two very different teams playing a style of football so lacking in urgency. The grace of Maurice Fitzgerald lifted the occasion from the drab. Mayo got lost in the mediocrity of the day. The Kerry of this Sunday will bear little resemblance to the team of seven years ago in either style or substance. Mayo, too, have changed greatly. True, John Maughan still stalks the sideline but in Mayo but only five men have made the transition from that day. That Nallen is one of that gang to survive the interim years is of little surprise. Since making his debut in the long hot summer of 1995, Nallen had the look of one there for the long haul.
Since then there have been two senior All-Ireland losses, an All-Star and an All-Ireland club championship. Old friends have dropped away. Liam McHale has become a selector. Nallen has turned 30. Maybe the game is different now?
"I dunno," he confesses. "I suppose I am coming more towards the end. So I think I am at the stage where every game is more important now than it was in 1996 or 1997. So from that perspective, you are always aware that this could be the last one. That could be a driving force now. The relationship with the players, I dunno, I dunno . . . there isn't any particular reason why I play. I enjoy it and the group thing is good - there are a lot of good guys here that you would be friends with. But I don't know how many players play to win an All-Ireland or if that is their true reason for playing intercounty football. "Personally, it is not why I play. You are out there trying to improve on skills and you have to enjoy it. But I think often you play club, you get selected for your county, it is a great honour, you are on the fringe, then you make the team and all that acknowledges your skills or what not. Once you get there, it is hard to fall out of is really what I am getting at. The easiest way to fall out of it is just to not be considered. Once you are there, you are there. And then one day you do fall out of it. And then you are gone. And that's it."
He delivers this comic-bleak assessment of a footballer's lot with a wide smile although with Nallen there is the suspicion when he does leave, there will be no trail of footprints. He possesses many of the classic traits of the native football player: skilful, courteous and like all Mayo men, helplessly honest and introspective on matters concerning the county's parched All-Ireland history. Nallen is to be believed when he says he does not play merely to try to win a senior medal but yet this is his third crack at it, a privilege granted to few players and testimony to Mayo's consistency over the past decade. Unlike the 1996/'97 vintage though, there has been an appealing edge and conviction about this year's side. We have pretty much performed when we needed to perform and if our approach is the same here and we don't allow external factors to get to us on the day then we are right in there with a chance of being winners," he agrees. "In 1997, though, there was a confidence there as well - we beat Kerry in 1996 and definitely there was no doubt we could win it. If you are in a final, you gotta believe you can win no matter what you tell the press.
"You are only fooling yourself if you don't believe you are in with a chance - and you surely are because it is down to two. But in 1997 a lot of the side was young and we were just flat. I don't know if it was training or the approach but it was just a big disappointment. Something you don't want to relive." The belief that that won't happen appears justified. Nallen identifies the week Mayo spent in the Catskills in the US as the key point of the season. Young and contradictory in the league, it was a team full of maturity and urgency and skill that comfortably won the Connacht championship. The manner of their victory over Galway spelt out they were more than just pretenders. "Once you beat a team like Galway, you know you are in the frame."
Nallen is undoubtedly one of the leaders of this team but that does not mean he is responsible for taking the younger players under his wing. There are plenty of lippy young lads on the scene well able to give an opinion and that is encouraged. "The young guys have performed admirably so I am not worried about them. I can only control what I do out there." In this case, out there is Croke Park. A place simultaneously loved and feared by Mayo folk for decades. Mayo is spiritual home of the sign, "Last One to Leave, Turn Out the Lights". They truly do desert the county on weeks like this. Too often, though, they returned and found they preferred to sit in the dark for the winter. This year, they say, it must be different. Certainly, Croke Park will be a sumptuous place in which to win, say, a first All-Ireland since 1951. James Nallen agrees is it a much better place than it was when Kerry and Mayo met in 1997. "There is a big echo," he says thoughtfully. "A major echo when you are running so all you can hear as you go up and down is a 'wooh-ah wooh-ah, woooh-ah' kinda thing. At the moment it is blank at the Hill side so it might be more difficult for forwards there. But it is a much better stadium now. As for the grass, I wear six studs. I remember playing Cork in 2002 and I got blisters in the second half. So you wear double socks, blister cushions, you take precautions. It won't happen again."
It won't happen again. That is what they are saying all across the broad land.
Good man seafoid. You're mighty for bringing up past Mayo final losses. ::)
Quote from: iorras on September 12, 2016, 08:55:42 AM
We don't have some unreal jinky 0-9 from play corner forward (well we do in Conor Loftus but he may not play the next day, then again it wouldn't surprise me at all if Rochford did a Cody and threw him in from the start)
2013 with the minors in 6 games Conor Loftus scored 3-7 (1f)
This year with the U21s in 4 games Conor Loftus scored 2-13 (10fs)
A forward with a keen eye for goal than jinky 0-9 from play type of forward.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 12, 2016, 05:21:42 PM
Quote from: iorras on September 12, 2016, 08:55:42 AM
We don't have some unreal jinky 0-9 from play corner forward (well we do in Conor Loftus but he may not play the next day, then again it wouldn't surprise me at all if Rochford did a Cody and threw him in from the start)
2013 with the minors in 6 games Conor Loftus scored 3-7 (1f)
This year with the U21s in 4 games Conor Loftus scored 2-13 (10fs)
A forward with a keen eye for goal than jinky 0-9 from play type of forward.
He played half forward in both those teams as, unusual for Mayo, we had plenty of good inside forwards. If he was to play in the corner his scoring rate would be higher but I still think he's best used in the half forward line where he can dictate things more. Either way, I don't see him starting Sunday, it would be some bolt from the blue if he does.
Any update on the Keith Higgins injury, is he definitely ruled out?
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2016, 05:40:56 PM
Any update on the Keith Higgins injury, is he definitely ruled out?
Other than the 4-5 posts about it Saturday night there has been no other mention of it on other forums, mainstream or social media, so it's debatable whether it's true or not.
Quote from: bucko on September 12, 2016, 08:36:17 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 12, 2016, 05:40:56 PM
Any update on the Keith Higgins injury, is he definitely ruled out?
Other than the 4-5 posts about it Saturday night there has been no other mention of it on other forums, mainstream or social media, so it's debatable whether it's true or not.
Load of muck! Rest easy in your beds tonight lads!
Keith Duggan better be planning a revised version of House of Pain after this year's final.
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2016, 11:02:14 PM
Keith Duggan better be planning a revised version of House of Pain after this year's final.
He is too busy writing "Highway to Hell , the behind the scenes story of the Roscommon Bus".
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 12, 2016, 11:15:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2016, 11:02:14 PM
Keith Duggan better be planning a revised version of House of Pain after this year's final.
He is too busy writing "Highway to Hell , the behind the scenes story of the Roscommon Bus".
All our drama will be enveloped by Mayo's #RoadToFour thankfully. At least we had the sense to do it in AI final week whereas ye usually do it afterwards when the whole of the GAA media is looking for a story to latch onto.
Embarrassing banner in Castlerea :-[
Why haven't you pulled it down Syfín?
Like in 2012 if we stop Dublin getting goals we will win. Clarke saved us that day towards the end when Dublin were on the comeback.
Our team personnel wise is far stronger this year and everything just happened to fall into place for us on the day.
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2016, 11:23:20 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 12, 2016, 11:15:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2016, 11:02:14 PM
Keith Duggan better be planning a revised version of House of Pain after this year's final.
He is too busy writing "Highway to Hell , the behind the scenes story of the Roscommon Bus".
All our drama will be enveloped by Mayo's #RoadToFour thankfully. At least we had the sense to do it in AI final week whereas ye usually do it afterwards when the whole of the GAA media is looking for a story to latch onto.
Yes, the Roscommon saga is entirely sensible and well timed. Bravo again lads.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2016, 11:57:08 PM
Embarrassing banner in Castlerea :-[
Why haven't you pulled it down Syfín?
Any chance of a picture ?
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2016, 08:50:36 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2016, 11:57:08 PM
Embarrassing banner in Castlerea :-[
Why haven't you pulled it down Syfín?
Any chance of a picture ?
Says good luck Mayo from St Kevin's GAA club across Main Street.....wins over the weekend have tangled it up. Majority Claremorris/Ballyhaunis traffic go that way to Dublin....
The Dubs players are doing interviews with the meeja this year I see :o.
It's about themselves.
I won't win any popularity contests' - Honest Philly McMahon the ultimate team player
Quote from: highorlow on September 13, 2016, 09:07:31 AM
The Dubs players are doing interviews with the meeja this year I see :o.
It's about themselves.
I won't win any popularity contests' - Honest Philly McMahon the ultimate team player
Dublin team give very few interviews - 'ooh those hoors, who do they think they are?'
Dublin team give a few interviews - 'ooh those hoors, who do they think they are?'
Quote from: heffo on September 13, 2016, 09:10:18 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 13, 2016, 09:07:31 AM
The Dubs players are doing interviews with the meeja this year I see :o.
It's about themselves.
I won't win any popularity contests' - Honest Philly McMahon the ultimate team player
Dublin team give very few interviews - 'ooh those hoors, who do they think they are?'
Dublin team give a few interviews - 'ooh those hoors, who do they think they are?'
they normally do a lot more of these type of interviews after they have won,
, did they visit Temple Street yet to keep next week clear for celebrations?
To never have considered losin', as if to win is by your choosin'
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-touch-of-anarchy-could-be-mayo-s-secret-weapon-1.2788911
Jim McGuinness: Touch of anarchy could be Mayo's secret weapon
Connacht men will need to bring something different if they are to dethrone Dublin
What are Mayo going to do? That question was rattling around in my mind last weekend. I've heard tickets are gold dust for this All-Ireland final and it's no surprise.
Dublin are on the threshold of confirming their status as one of the great teams. But Mayo are seeking a first All-Ireland in 65 years despite having one of the strongest and most consistent sides in the country over the past five years. Who have starred in more thrillers than Mayo? Beaten in the 2012 final by Donegal. Lost by a point to Dublin in the 2013 final. They came back and lost the 2014 semi-final to Kerry after two incredible games of football. Then they lose the 2015 semi-final to Dublin, again after a replay. Without question, they are a seriously talented football team. And they 'deserve' an All-Ireland for moral courage.
But it doesn't work like that. The cold fact is that Mayo have been there on a number of occasions. And they haven't found a way to win it. And here they are back again, playing a deeply formidable team. So it seems to me that they have to bring something new to the table. But all weekend, through the back of my mind I was wondering: what? What is left to try? To be honest, I didn't have the answer. Then I realised what I was thinking about wasn't so much a system or a new tactic. It was a state of mind. I believe if Mayo are to win on Sunday, they have to introduce an element of anarchy to the day.
Are Mayo a different team now than they were in the 2012 final? And if so, how? What are the significant strides they have made? If they are simply as good as they were then, you have to conclude that that won't be enough. Clearly, Kerry did so many things right in their semi-final and they ended up nearly upsetting Dublin in a pulsating game. But they still came up short. And the match ended with a resounding show of force and composure and skill by the All-Ireland champions. Now, you can make a convincing argument that Mayo have more legs than Kerry at this juncture. If you allow that, then surely you have to allow that Kerry showed exceptional nous in how they went about creating and completing scores. They manufactured scores that Mayo may not be able to replicate. So again: how do Mayo get over the line?
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For me, they aren't radically different to the 2012 or 2013 Mayo model. Kevin McLoughlin is a sweeper designate for Mayo and that is a new departure since 2013. But Dublin are doing that themselves now so Mayo aren't going to catch them cold that way. And Dublin are a more sophisticated side now.
What Dublin do in a masterfully unspoken way is that they put it up to teams by giving them opportunities. Look at Dublin's scoring average. No matter how you play them, you are going to have to get your own scores. The question they ask of all teams is: what can you bring that will enable you to outscore us? They put the ball in your court. These are the questions – and that's without even talking about what Stephen Cluxton.
We have spoken enough about his influence and it's generally accepted that he gives Dublin an advantage other teams simply can't meet. You just have to live with it and try to disrupt it.
Of course, the trouble with playing Dublin is that you can work to perfect one element but in order to actually beat them, you have to do all things well all the time. If you match them on one level, they can hurt you in other ways. Everyone knows about their individual strengths and their potential to kick scores beyond the abilities of most teams. They can bank on their own kick-outs; they are now pushing up with unprecedented aggression on opposition kick-outs, but worst of all for opposition teams they are operating on a very high level for 80 minutes. There is noinjury-time drop-off.
Beating them is not insurmountable but it is extremely difficult.
If this final runs along anticipated lines and stays true to the form of the championship, then I envisage a match in which both teams start well and play in bursts. Maybe Dublin edge ahead and provoke a response – perhaps even a goal – from Mayo. And then Dublin go through another dominant spell and Mayo respond again. And suddenly we are in the last quarter and both teams run their bench.
And when all those bursts are added up, it produces a scoreline which has Dublin marginally – but irretrievably – ahead: maybe by three or four points.
And Mayo will have competed and lost honourably. But that's no good to Mayo. Plaudits for losing a brave All-Ireland final: they have enough of those.
That's why I feel that the Mayo management and team must impose a different pattern on this game. They have to create an environment in which Dublin are not allowed to execute what they want to do when they want to do it. But how?
In a practical sense, one thing Mayo can do which Kerry couldn't is run the ball with extreme aggression and purpose. Kerry went for precise, conscientious kicking. They kept the ball away from the Dublin defenders really well. They competed with Dublin's kick-out by pressing up. The one thing they didn't do is support with extreme intent off the shoulder.
My true instinct is that what Mayo need here isn't really anything you can draw on the board in the training ground or practise on the field. This weekend took me back to my first All-Ireland experience in 1992, as a teenager on the Donegal team that met Dublin – who were huge favourites. The whole country thought they'd win it. That was an Olympic summer as well and a day that is etched in my memory is the Saturday a week before the final when Michael Carruth was boxing for his gold medal.
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Brian McEniff pushed back our training session so the boys could listen to the fight on the radio. And I have this memory of a line of cars parked at the Four Masters pitch and all the players inside them, spellbound by the commentary. All the doors were open in all cars so everyone was connected to each other and to the moment. It was a gorgeous morning. It felt like a really significant sporting moment for Ireland and it was a very emotional, moving sort of experience to listen to it.
And it meant that everyone was wired going onto the field for training. This was during the last few training sessions and it meant that the senior guys were pushing for places. Gaelic games are all about the team, yes. But there are times when the individual instinct takes over. Boys were desperate to play. This was a team full of great friends who had never been to an All-Ireland final before. They didn't know if they'd be back. So there was a feeling that this was a once-in-a-lifetime game. And that morning, in the A versus B game, there was an edge that I had never seen between these boys before.
Brian Murray and Anthony Molloy went at it a few times. Squared up and boxed. A few rows broke out between Joyce McMullan and Donal Reid. And then came this challenge from John Joe Doherty on Declan Bonner. The pair of them were going for a ball and John Joe came like a train and he absolutely flattened Declan. What I will always remember is Declan lying still and John Joe not even turning. He just went back to the corner and stood with his hands on his hips staring straight up the field.
I am not suggesting that Donegal won that All-Ireland there and then. But I do believe that a different mentality came into that squad that morning. As it turned out, Martin Shovlin had to relinquish his place on the morning of the final with a neck injury and Brian went with John Joe. And John Joe played very well too. So he made all those weeks in his life count. They all did. They knew they had to make it count. Boys like Matt Gallagher, Noel Hegarty, Manus Boyle: there was this realisation: when will we be back in a final?
I do feel Mayo have to bring some of that into Sunday. They are on the threshold of something special. They have played in two All-Ireland finals and they know what they are about. But this is not just another game. If you win a Connacht final, then yes, you have another game. If you win a quarter-final, then yes, you have another game. But if Mayo win the All-Ireland final on Sunday, then those players have achieved something that in a will change their county. That's more profound than winning a football game.
I suppose my advice for Mayo now is: don't be cautious and safe. You know, die in a blaze of glory before that happens.
I suppose what I am talking is a mindset which is bordering on obsessive. This is not a game of football. This is a defining day in their lives. They need to bring this almost desperate sense of: we can't be beaten. The worst thing they could do is just go on being themselves and hope that will be enough to do get them over the line. History would suggest it is not. It has to be something left-field. That intensity, combined with savage discipline and real sharpness and confidence and expression on the ball and then that powerful off-the-shoulder support game at which they excel. That is how I see the way through for Mayo here.
Did I ever see that in Mayo before? How about the semi-final drawn game in 2014 when they tore through Kerry with 14 men? There was a beautiful madness to that. Why not tap into that?
I know there is a danger that if Mayo do try something new – pull a rabbit out of the hat – it may throw their own team out of rhythm. Trying something different can add pressure. But the pressure is there anyhow. You are talking about a team which is tasked with doing something that all Mayo teams since 1951 have not managed. There is pressure anyway.
So I feel that the first thing Mayo have to do is to play with a serious, serious edge. Become unreasonable. Not go out with the: let's do everything we can here. It has to be a fierce last stand of all they are. You know: let's make our mark here. Let's make this be our day. That means they run themselves into the ground.
I have watched Mayo in the past few years and I have seen situations where instead of having eight defending, they could have 11 or 12 if a few more just bust themselves to get back. That has to happen – all day long. They don't concede a goal. They just don't. They aim to hold Dublin to 0-16. Is that achievable? I think so. I think it is. Then they be brave and smart and sharp on the ball.
If that is the mindset – to contain Dublin and go put scores on the board and express themselves – then this could be a very feisty and competitive All-Ireland final. Dublin don't have to change. They simply have turn up and play their game.
It is up to Mayo to impose new terms. But if Mayo can bring a brand new dynamic, which Dublin weren't planning for, along with that real borderline approach, maybe, then maybe the individuals that Dublin are missing this year will become a factor.
So I'm talking about trying to create anarchy. What's the alternative? When you look at all the Dublin processes in isolation, they are really smart ways to play the game. Then you layer over that with all the really fine players available to Jim Gavin. Then you have their fine coaching system. Then you have younger players trying to get the jersey: it becomes an obsession.
So all of that projects the team forward to what it has become: this omnipotent force. And if you are going to take that force on, it can't just be about giving it a good rattle and hoping for the best.
Hope as nothing to do with it. Mayo have to bring a lot of things with them from the west but first and foremost is an absolute bloody-minded belief: 2016 is going to be our year because it must be our year. Sunday is going to be our day because it must be our day.
Definitely agree that our running game has to be plan A most of the time since it limits the influence of COS somewhat. Kicking long (especially if it's poor long balls like last year) just allows the Dublin HBs to crowd AOS or whoever out of it and win a demoralising turnover. Long ball in occasionally when Dublin aren't set up for it then should mean more space when it does come in
Was really expecting McGuinness to devise a tactical plan for Mayo when I started that article. Instead he simply boils it down to anarchy and bloody minded belief. Basically old school stuff dressed up in modern lingo.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 13, 2016, 11:04:34 AM
Was really expecting McGuinness to devise a tactical plan for Mayo when I started that article. Instead he simply boils it down to anarchy and bloody minded belief. Basically old school stuff dressed up in modern lingo.
And the exact opposite of what Darragh O'Sé was advocating last week.
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2016, 11:23:20 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 12, 2016, 11:15:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2016, 11:02:14 PM
Keith Duggan better be planning a revised version of House of Pain after this year's final.
He is too busy writing "Highway to Hell , the behind the scenes story of the Roscommon Bus".
All our drama will be enveloped by Mayo's #RoadToFour thankfully. At least we had the sense to do it in AI final week whereas ye usually do it afterwards when the whole of the GAA media is looking for a story to latch onto.
Ah we needn't worry about that, ye're saga is perfectly timed to crescendo just when the dust of the all Ireland final between the adults settles. Wait till it gets out that someone is going up against K Mac for the job. Theres plenty of life left in ye're soap opera yet to keep us all entertained until early Winter and maybe beyond. How many days is it until the FBD starts? You know you want to tell us
That's what I thought Chimley. Darragh O'Se was advising to keep their heads and not to be going all out.
I agree more with Jim this time that often it's he who wants it the most in finals can make the difference.
A lot of teams approach this Dublin team trying to beat them playing football rather than really getting in amongst them and upsetting their rhythm. Playing on the edge can of course be dangerous and lead to yellow, black and red cards but what have Mayo got to lose.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 13, 2016, 03:59:02 PM
That's what I thought Chimley. Darragh O'Se was advising to keep their heads and not to be going all out.
I agree more with Jim this time that often it's he who wants it the most in finals can make the difference.
A lot of teams approach this Dublin team trying to beat them playing football rather than really getting in amongst them and upsetting their rhythm. Playing on the edge can of course be dangerous and lead to yellow, black and red cards but what have Mayo got to lose.
Ah its Conor Lane reffing, he'll only blow the whistle four times during the game. Be grand
Quote from: yellowcard on September 13, 2016, 11:04:34 AM
Was really expecting McGuinness to devise a tactical plan for Mayo when I started that article. Instead he simply boils it down to anarchy and bloody minded belief. Basically old school stuff dressed up in modern lingo.
Jim knows there is no point in laying out one single plan to beat Dublin - there's no single magic bullet to beating Dublin. There's a long long list of things any team hoping to beat Dublin have to do and while Mayo are capable of doing some of them, I don't rate their chances of doing enough of them very highly.
The only reason Jim's tactical plan worked for Donegal against the Dubs was the naivety of the Dubs ; the entire half-back line were so negligent that day in their defensive duties for Dublin it was untrue.
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 13, 2016, 06:51:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 13, 2016, 11:04:34 AM
Was really expecting McGuinness to devise a tactical plan for Mayo when I started that article. Instead he simply boils it down to anarchy and bloody minded belief. Basically old school stuff dressed up in modern lingo.
The only reason Jim's tactical plan worked for Donegal against the Dubs was the naivety of the Dubs
That and the first half pass to Connolly was an inch too short - on the money and the Dubs are 8 up and win by a cricket score
For anyone who's read them how exactly do they fill the pages of these 64 and 72 page special pull-out supplements for the final in the local Mayo papers this week. That's an awful lot of pages to fill on one game. Is it half ads or what? We have them in Galway as well when the footballers or hurlers were in finals but it'd be more like 16 pages.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 13, 2016, 08:04:07 PM
For anyone who's read them how exactly do they fill the pages of these 64 and 72 page special pull-out supplements for the final in the local Mayo papers this week. That's an awful lot of pages to fill on one game. Is it half ads or what? We have them in Galway as well when the footballers or hurlers were in finals but it'd be more like 16 pages.
We do lots more songs than Galway.
In fact even Galway bands write songs about Mayo.
Personally I think we should ban AIF songs until we win one.
Quote from: muppet on September 13, 2016, 08:14:41 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 13, 2016, 08:04:07 PM
For anyone who's read them how exactly do they fill the pages of these 64 and 72 page special pull-out supplements for the final in the local Mayo papers this week. That's an awful lot of pages to fill on one game. Is it half ads or what? We have them in Galway as well when the footballers or hurlers were in finals but it'd be more like 16 pages.
Personally I think we should ban AIF songs until we win one.
Let's not do anything too hasty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dONChKbYKs
Quote from: heffo on September 13, 2016, 08:17:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 13, 2016, 08:14:41 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 13, 2016, 08:04:07 PM
For anyone who's read them how exactly do they fill the pages of these 64 and 72 page special pull-out supplements for the final in the local Mayo papers this week. That's an awful lot of pages to fill on one game. Is it half ads or what? We have them in Galway as well when the footballers or hurlers were in finals but it'd be more like 16 pages.
Personally I think we should ban AIF songs until we win one.
Let's not do anything too hasty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dONChKbYKs
Get with the times heffo , https://youtu.be/yPs7k1Uq7-o . ;D ;D
They should get DB in to motivate the team . Hogan Stand, boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk_kZspsp1o
this thread has gone a bit quite and maybe we don't have much left to say about the game its self so instead ill wax nostalgic ,this is a post i put up before last years semi
It's hard to describe the excitement I felt on that first trip to Croke park, the 18Th of august 1985 (yes of course I had to look it up!). I was 8 years old and me and my dad were going off for the day to the big game. looking back now he was probably as excited as I was, he would have been 37 at the time, younger then I am now and in his lifetime mayo had given him very few days out in Dublin, I was the eldest so it was just me and him. Up early for a bus to Dublin. I don't remember much about the bus journey up except that I was worried about my new flag. I was told I had to leave it in the overhead locker and I did not like being parted from it. it was the height of fashion that year, red and green horizontal bars as opposed to the more traditional vertical. God I loved that flag I kept it for years, until it became so frayed at the edges it was little more than a collection of streamers.
I remember being out the back of the Hogan stand waiting to go in and being in awe of this huge structure. In my mind's eye it's a beautiful sunny day. we went inside and it was dark and forbidding the toilets were horrible and crowed and my earlier euphoria was beginning to fade. Then the magic happened, a spell was cast on me that remains to this day. We turned the corner to our section and walked towards the blinding light and there it was, Croker in all its glory, the field a brilliant striped green a field like non I'd ever seen, there was no HDTV in 1985 so I had literally never seen anything as perfect, and then there were that stands and the people and the hill and all the blue and all the green and red. All the green and red, and my dad seemed to know everyone and every one was calling out and shouting and excited we took our seats and I got my first lesson in how to strike up conversations with strangers at football matches. to me the opposition were the big bad dubs so I was a bit surprised by the chatting with all the Dublin supporters, all the craic, I think I learned I was culchie that day, ( I already knew they were only auld jackeens!) My dad had worked in Dublin years before and of course he knew some relation of the guy behind us, I was trying to get my game face on but he kept gasbagging with the enemy!!
Then the band and the parade and the anthem and mayo were doing well, Kevin mc stay tj kilgallon, willie joe padden, john finn and the rest. The excitement was too much, the game went by in flash, we drew!! I was delighted but I got the impression the older ones new it was no good that we had lost our chance, still no harm we would be back and if not this year then next, I saw the future as being centred on my new favourite place in the world, the naivety of youth. Still as I said the spell was cast, the grass, the noise, the crowds the colour, the band, the players, the game, in later years the pubs, the friends, the nights out before and after, now its heading back to the day trips with kids again, the world turns. The kids, nothing sums up the GAA more than the kids that go to games big and small with their flags and headbands and hats and jerseys and a ferocious belief in their team that is hard to maintain as the years pass buy.
So on sunday we meet again, about a third of the population of Mayo will actually leave the county and head to Dublin, we will meet our best friends and people we haven't seen in years as we amble down the north circular, outside gills we will meet some Dubs we know and the craic will flow, heroes of yesteryear will walk buy and dads will whisper their names to the little ones " look that's wille joe padden over there'', "See yer man son, that's Barney Rock", the kids will nod but don't really care they only have eyes for Aiden or Bernard.
Then inside and it happens all over again, the bright light from the tunnel, the incredible green, the noise the roar of the hill, ''come on you boys in blue'', MAYO MAYO MAYO MAYO'' in response from around the ground growing louder and louder. Then a winner and a loser, Who shall it be? Doesn't really matter.
Quote from: muppet on September 13, 2016, 08:14:41 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 13, 2016, 08:04:07 PM
For anyone who's read them how exactly do they fill the pages of these 64 and 72 page special pull-out supplements for the final in the local Mayo papers this week. That's an awful lot of pages to fill on one game. Is it half ads or what? We have them in Galway as well when the footballers or hurlers were in finals but it'd be more like 16 pages.
We do lots more songs than Galway.
In fact even Galway bands write songs about Mayo.
Personally I think we should ban AIF songs until we win one.
It might be a very short ban
Great post.
Did not read the piece as I have had enough nostalgia to last a life time. Nostalgia at this stage dampens the spirit!
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2016, 01:20:59 PM
Did not read the piece as I have had enough nostalgia to last a life time. Nostalgia at this stage dampens the spirit!
It's worse than inhibited ostertagia
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2016, 01:20:59 PM
Did not read the piece as I have had enough nostalgia to last a life time. Nostalgia at this stage dampens the spirit!
If you ask me, nostalgia was way better when I was a young fella.
Nice one Guy
That report on the news by Party Marty was shocking. Vaughan get getting a bit of free advertising, John 'glug glug vroom' Maughan talking shite and Rockford telling us we need to up the intensity levels. Marty then shares the news with us that if Mayo win on Sunday, Sam will be spending the winter in Ashford Castle. Bizarre
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/all-ireland-final-a-mayo-win-means-all-we-know-is-wrong-1.2790121
Mayo as All-Ireland champions. How will we cope? We won't have Nixon to kick around anymore. No more jokes about the gang that couldn't shoot straight. No more sad heroes. We'll never hear Ciaran McDonald's name again. Liam McHale can go back to being an ex-basketball star. Pat McEnaney can go to Westport on holiday.
Dinner dance
Will Galway bate Mayo? Doesn't matter, Willie Joe or no. They're All-Ireland champions and managed to throw Galway an oul' win along the way just to get their hopes up. That will fairly take the legs out from under the end-of-year Galway GAA dinner dance. Maybe they'll get Aidan O'Shea along to hand out the Connacht medals.
Ah here, this is starting to get scary. Mayo as overlords. Mayo as the guy who gets the girl. Mayo played by George Clooney instead of Paul Giamatti. Everything we know will be wrong.
Famine
If Mayo win the All-Ireland, who will we cry about then? Whose famine do we adopt as our own? Cavan haven't won since 1952, Roscommon since 1944, Kildare since 1928. Sure when will any of them be in a final again? Or anywhere close to one? Mayo are interesting because Mayo, like the poor, are always with us. But if they win the All-Ireland, will they even be Mayo anymore?
These are questions of philosophy, of psychology, of theology almost. Nearly makes you hope for a Dublin win, just so we don't have to delve too deep into them.
Quote from: seafoid on September 14, 2016, 07:09:03 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/all-ireland-final-a-mayo-win-means-all-we-know-is-wrong-1.2790121
A bit like speculating what would life be like if aliens landed.
I did enjoy the bit about getting Aidan O'Se to present the Connacht medals.
On a more serious note I presume Galway GAA won't actually have any sort of presentation/ceremony re the provincal medals. It would just be too cruel/embarrassing for the players to force them through such rigmarole.
Time to nail my name to the Mayo mast for this weekend, Dublin are a better team, of that there is no doubt but there always a bad game in any team in a year, Mayo been lucky all year and sometimes luck can take you a long way. As Clint Eastwood said, "Deserve got nothing to do with it" but if Mayo play above themselves and the Dublin are below par, they can shade it.
Noted today the Sam has only went west twice in 50yrs. Mayo are probably the 2nd best team in the country so its wouldn't be a big a shock as many think. Donegal against Dublin in 92 and Armagh against Kerry in 02 were bigger underdogs. Anyway come on Mayo!!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 14, 2016, 08:44:15 PM
Time to nail my name to the Mayo mast for this weekend, Dublin are a better team, of that there is no doubt but there always a bad game in any team in a year, Mayo been lucky all year and sometimes luck can take you a long way. As Clint Eastwood said, "Deserve got nothing to do with it" but if Mayo play above themselves and the Dublin are below par, they can shade it.
Noted today the Sam has only went west twice in 50yrs. Mayo are probably the 2nd best team in the country so its wouldn't be a big a shock as many think. Donegal against Dublin in 92 and Armagh against Kerry in 02 were bigger underdogs. Anyway come on Mayo!!!
Hup!
Sam has only GONE West.......
Dublin by 3 .....
Byrne, Small, Cooper, McCarthy, Fenton, MDMA, McManamon, Kilkenny, Rock and Brogan are nothing out of the ordinary in comparison to their Mayo counterparts. Some may be better on their day etc but that's it. Some of the sh1te being talked by Dubs fans is quite the eye opener. You'd never hear Kerry men talking like this. Keep it coming.
Quote from: Mayo4sam16 on September 14, 2016, 11:09:05 PM
Byrne, Small, Cooper, McCarthy, Fenton, MDMA, McManamon, Kilkenny, Rock and Brogan are nothing out of the ordinary in comparison to their Mayo counterparts. Some may be better on their day etc but that's it. Some of the sh1te being talked by Dubs fans is quite the eye opener. You'd never hear Kerry men talking like this. Keep it coming.
Sounds very much like your a Dub (certainly not from Mayo anyway) by the tone of your posts. Even going to the bother of setting up a new account to spout nonsense. The reality is that Mayo are going into this final as the biggest underdogs in at least a generation. No amount of drivel you post will change that. Yes they have a punchers chance but that is all.
Quote from: Mayo4sam16 on September 14, 2016, 11:09:05 PM
Byrne, Small, Cooper, McCarthy, Fenton, MDMA, McManamon, Kilkenny, Rock and Brogan are nothing out of the ordinary in comparison to their Mayo counterparts. Some may be better on their day etc but that's it. Some of the sh1te being talked by Dubs fans is quite the eye opener. You'd never hear Kerry men talking like this. Keep it coming.
If you are a Mayo man, go back to hoganstand or the 'banter' pages on Facebook and take your opinions over there like a good ladeen.
In all fairness kilkenny, Brogan and McCarthy would be better than alot of what mayo would have in the same postions, Mayo though are stronger in Midfield, key match up the Dublin half forward line and the Mayo Half back line
Guy Crouchback I could've written the exact same thing if I had that good a memory!! Brilliant!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 15, 2016, 12:03:12 AM
In all fairness kilkenny, Brogan and McCarthy would be better than alot of what mayo would have in the same postions, Mayo though are stronger in Midfield, key match up the Dublin half forward line and the Mayo Half back line
You're taking that poster seriously?
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Quote from: Mayo4sam16 on September 14, 2016, 11:09:05 PM
Byrne, Small, Cooper, McCarthy, Fenton, MDMA, McManamon, Kilkenny, Rock and Brogan are nothing out of the ordinary in comparison to their Mayo counterparts. Some may be better on their day etc but that's it. Some of the sh1te being talked by Dubs fans is quite the eye opener. You'd never hear Kerry men talking like this. Keep it coming.
Sounds very much like your a Dub (certainly not from Mayo anyway) by the tone of your posts. Even going to the bother of setting up a new account to spout nonsense. The reality is that Mayo are going into this final as the biggest underdogs in at least a generation. No amount of drivel you post will change that. Yes they have a punchers chance but that is all.
Mayo have beaten this Dublin team twice. Hardly underdogs on the scale of Galway v Meath in 2001 or Offaly v Kerry in 1982
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Quote from: Mayo4sam16 on September 14, 2016, 11:09:05 PM
Byrne, Small, Cooper, McCarthy, Fenton, MDMA, McManamon, Kilkenny, Rock and Brogan are nothing out of the ordinary in comparison to their Mayo counterparts. Some may be better on their day etc but that's it. Some of the sh1te being talked by Dubs fans is quite the eye opener. You'd never hear Kerry men talking like this. Keep it coming.
Sounds very much like your a Dub (certainly not from Mayo anyway) by the tone of your posts. Even going to the bother of setting up a new account to spout nonsense. The reality is that Mayo are going into this final as the biggest underdogs in at least a generation. No amount of drivel you post will change that. Yes they have a punchers chance but that is all.
Mayo have beaten this Dublin team twice. Hardly underdogs on the scale of Galway v Meath in 2001 or Offaly v Kerry in 1982
That Galway side had been AI champions and were only beaten to the final the previous year by Kerry after a replay so they had every chance. The fact is that you may have to go back 34 years to find a similarly one sided final match up.
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Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2016, 06:54:31 AM
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Quote from: Mayo4sam16 on September 14, 2016, 11:09:05 PM
Byrne, Small, Cooper, McCarthy, Fenton, MDMA, McManamon, Kilkenny, Rock and Brogan are nothing out of the ordinary in comparison to their Mayo counterparts. Some may be better on their day etc but that's it. Some of the sh1te being talked by Dubs fans is quite the eye opener. You'd never hear Kerry men talking like this. Keep it coming.
Sounds very much like your a Dub (certainly not from Mayo anyway) by the tone of your posts. Even going to the bother of setting up a new account to spout nonsense. The reality is that Mayo are going into this final as the biggest underdogs in at least a generation. No amount of drivel you post will change that. Yes they have a punchers chance but that is all.
Mayo have beaten this Dublin team twice. Hardly underdogs on the scale of Galway v Meath in 2001 or Offaly v Kerry in 1982
That Galway side had been AI champions and were only beaten to the final the previous year by Kerry after a replay so they had every chance. The fact is that you may have to go back 34 years to find a similarly one sided final match up.
They were playing MEATH.
Mayo would be grand if it was a semi. They have to overcome the psychology . The Dubs are the best team to do it against.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 15, 2016, 07:06:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2016, 06:54:31 AM
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Quote from: Mayo4sam16 on September 14, 2016, 11:09:05 PM
Byrne, Small, Cooper, McCarthy, Fenton, MDMA, McManamon, Kilkenny, Rock and Brogan are nothing out of the ordinary in comparison to their Mayo counterparts. Some may be better on their day etc but that's it. Some of the sh1te being talked by Dubs fans is quite the eye opener. You'd never hear Kerry men talking like this. Keep it coming.
Sounds very much like your a Dub (certainly not from Mayo anyway) by the tone of your posts. Even going to the bother of setting up a new account to spout nonsense. The reality is that Mayo are going into this final as the biggest underdogs in at least a generation. No amount of drivel you post will change that. Yes they have a punchers chance but that is all.
Mayo have beaten this Dublin team twice. Hardly underdogs on the scale of Galway v Meath in 2001 or Offaly v Kerry in 1982
That Galway side had been AI champions and were only beaten to the final the previous year by Kerry after a replay so they had every chance. The fact is that you may have to go back 34 years to find a similarly one sided final match up.
I shouldn't bite, but ffs we drew with Dublin in semi-final last year, lost to them by a point in the final 3 years ago and beat them by 4 in the semi-final the year before that. We've been in 6 semi-finals in a row, and this is our 3rd final in that time.
Dublin are rightly favourites, but we've a damn good team too.
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 15, 2016, 07:06:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2016, 06:54:31 AM
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Quote from: Mayo4sam16 on September 14, 2016, 11:09:05 PM
Byrne, Small, Cooper, McCarthy, Fenton, MDMA, McManamon, Kilkenny, Rock and Brogan are nothing out of the ordinary in comparison to their Mayo counterparts. Some may be better on their day etc but that's it. Some of the sh1te being talked by Dubs fans is quite the eye opener. You'd never hear Kerry men talking like this. Keep it coming.
Sounds very much like your a Dub (certainly not from Mayo anyway) by the tone of your posts. Even going to the bother of setting up a new account to spout nonsense. The reality is that Mayo are going into this final as the biggest underdogs in at least a generation. No amount of drivel you post will change that. Yes they have a punchers chance but that is all.
Mayo have beaten this Dublin team twice. Hardly underdogs on the scale of Galway v Meath in 2001 or Offaly v Kerry in 1982
That Galway side had been AI champions and were only beaten to the final the previous year by Kerry after a replay so they had every chance. The fact is that you may have to go back 34 years to find a similarly one sided final match up.
I shouldn't bite, but ffs we drew with Dublin in semi-final last year, lost to them by a point in the final 3 years ago and beat them by 4 in the semi-final the year before that. We've been in 6 semi-finals in a row, and this is our 3rd final in that time.
Dublin are rightly favourites, but we've a damn good team too.
Dublin favs on the basis that it is a final I would say. If Mayo turn up and focus for the 70 minutes they have every chance. Mayo have been so close recently , losing semis after replays etc
Quote from: guy crouchback on September 14, 2016, 01:06:03 PM
this thread has gone a bit quite and maybe we don't have much left to say about the game its self so instead ill wax nostalgic ,this is a post i put up before last years semi
It's hard to describe the excitement I felt on that first trip to Croke park, the 18Th of august 1985 (yes of course I had to look it up!). I was 8 years old and me and my dad were going off for the day to the big game. looking back now he was probably as excited as I was, he would have been 37 at the time, younger then I am now and in his lifetime mayo had given him very few days out in Dublin, I was the eldest so it was just me and him. Up early for a bus to Dublin. I don't remember much about the bus journey up except that I was worried about my new flag. I was told I had to leave it in the overhead locker and I did not like being parted from it. it was the height of fashion that year, red and green horizontal bars as opposed to the more traditional vertical. God I loved that flag I kept it for years, until it became so frayed at the edges it was little more than a collection of streamers.
I remember being out the back of the Hogan stand waiting to go in and being in awe of this huge structure. In my mind's eye it's a beautiful sunny day. we went inside and it was dark and forbidding the toilets were horrible and crowed and my earlier euphoria was beginning to fade. Then the magic happened, a spell was cast on me that remains to this day. We turned the corner to our section and walked towards the blinding light and there it was, Croker in all its glory, the field a brilliant striped green a field like non I'd ever seen, there was no HDTV in 1985 so I had literally never seen anything as perfect, and then there were that stands and the people and the hill and all the blue and all the green and red. All the green and red, and my dad seemed to know everyone and every one was calling out and shouting and excited we took our seats and I got my first lesson in how to strike up conversations with strangers at football matches. to me the opposition were the big bad dubs so I was a bit surprised by the chatting with all the Dublin supporters, all the craic, I think I learned I was culchie that day, ( I already knew they were only auld jackeens!) My dad had worked in Dublin years before and of course he knew some relation of the guy behind us, I was trying to get my game face on but he kept gasbagging with the enemy!!
Then the band and the parade and the anthem and mayo were doing well, Kevin mc stay tj kilgallon, willie joe padden, john finn and the rest. The excitement was too much, the game went by in flash, we drew!! I was delighted but I got the impression the older ones new it was no good that we had lost our chance, still no harm we would be back and if not this year then next, I saw the future as being centred on my new favourite place in the world, the naivety of youth. Still as I said the spell was cast, the grass, the noise, the crowds the colour, the band, the players, the game, in later years the pubs, the friends, the nights out before and after, now its heading back to the day trips with kids again, the world turns. The kids, nothing sums up the GAA more than the kids that go to games big and small with their flags and headbands and hats and jerseys and a ferocious belief in their team that is hard to maintain as the years pass buy.
So on sunday we meet again, about a third of the population of Mayo will actually leave the county and head to Dublin, we will meet our best friends and people we haven't seen in years as we amble down the north circular, outside gills we will meet some Dubs we know and the craic will flow, heroes of yesteryear will walk buy and dads will whisper their names to the little ones " look that's wille joe padden over there'', "See yer man son, that's Barney Rock", the kids will nod but don't really care they only have eyes for Aiden or Bernard.
Then inside and it happens all over again, the bright light from the tunnel, the incredible green, the noise the roar of the hill, ''come on you boys in blue'', MAYO MAYO MAYO MAYO'' in response from around the ground growing louder and louder. Then a winner and a loser, Who shall it be? Doesn't really matter.
You weren't half as innocent nor eloquent by the time the 96 final came round, drunk out of your mind playing poker in a bed sit in Charlemont street if I recall? ;)
Have a very bad feeling about Sunday. Nothing between the teams last year. Mayo have improved and Dublin slightly weaker.
Mayo couldn't have sat down this January and scripted a better way to go into an AIF.
Every newspaper article says "nobody is giving Mayo a chance" only then to give them every chance of winning on Sunday.
On what basis do you way Mayo have improved? Sunday is the only time we will be able to tell that I think but so far nothing to suggest they've improved.
It's funny Mayo haven't really played all that well in any of their games this year (even against Tyrone) but still make the final.
All other years that they've made the final they have played well in the lead up to it especially in 2013 where they were brilliant in the lead up.
It's stating the obvious to say that if they play as they have up to now this year then Dublin will win.
They surely have one big performance in them this year though? And when better than All-Ireland final day to produce it.
They have a massive chance.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2016, 11:37:37 AM
On what basis do you way Mayo have improved? Sunday is the only time we will be able to tell that I think but so far nothing to suggest they've improved.
They got past the semi final. Players have more experience. They got over the Galway loss.
Hope Mayo do a Tipp on Sunday but it's hard to see Dublin imploding like Kilkenny did. But it's a 2 horse race so anything thing is possible.
My other hope is we don't see Diarmuid Connaly or any one else being targeted (don't know the Mayo players) in the hope they get carded.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2016, 11:37:37 AM
On what basis do you way Mayo have improved? Sunday is the only time we will be able to tell that I think but so far nothing to suggest they've improved.
Beat a much touted Tyrone team in a very thorough manner. Cantered past Tipperary who had beaten Cork and hammered Galway.
Not the Ealing Comedy manner of getting to an AIF that many would lead you to believe.
This has a Donegal 1992 written all over it.
I can understand the comparisons with the game in 92 but this Dublin team are going for their 4th AI in 6 years, that Dublin team hadn't even made a final never mind win it.
Mayo have been poor in comparison to previous years but have still managed to make the final, play like they have done since the start of the league and they'll be beaten but if they can step up a level they have a great chance.
Mayo by 3 points with a good helping hand from the referee and the GAA.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 15, 2016, 12:51:31 PM
Mayo by 3 points with a good helping hand from the referee and the GAA.
Lol, yeah.... that's likely to happen!! Mayo always getting favouritism from officialdom! Jaysus....
Theory: The best place for Mayo to be with 10 minutes left is having to make up a small points deficit, ie 1 or 2.
Based on the theories that:
i) Dublin tend to look more vulnerable defending a lead (Mayo 2013, Mayo 2015 (draw), Kerry 2015, Donegal 2016) than coming from behind when their momentum is almost impossible to stop (Kerry 2011, Kerry 2013, Mayo 2015 (replay) and Kerry 2016)
ii) When a team gets a bit of momentum against Dublin, Dublin can have a serious meltdown for at least 10-15 minutes in a game (Mayo 2012, Kerry 2013, Donegal 2014, Mayo 2015 (draw), Kerry 2016)
iii) Mayo are not good at defending a lead (Dublin 2012, Kerry 2014 (draw and replay), Dublin 2015 (replay))
iv) Momentum in the last 10 minutes could tip the balance of the result in a close final (Armagh 2002, Tyrone 2008, Cork 2010, Dublin 2011).
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 15, 2016, 12:51:31 PM
Mayo by 3 points with a good helping hand from the referee and the GAA.
Of course Mayo can win on Sunday but they will need to blot out any of the negative thoughts about previous years that are bound to be filling their heads. Their big danger is that if their carefully planned strategies and "surprise" tactics don't seem to be working and they find themselves chasing the game will they succumb to the paralysis of "here we go again".
That's the big question.
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Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 15, 2016, 12:51:31 PM
Mayo by 3 points with a good helping hand from the referee and the GAA.
Of course Mayo can win on Sunday but they will need to blot out any of the negative thoughts about previous years that are bound to be filling their heads. Their big danger is that if their carefully planned strategies and "surprise" tactics don't seem to be working and they find themselves chasing the game will they succumb to the paralysis of "here we go again".
That's the big question.
I don't agree with that. Dublin have never beaten Mayo out the gate in championship. If it was Kerry who built up a lead in a final v Mayo, then perhaps a "here we go again" vibe might have arisen, but not with the Dubs. Last year both games were on a knife edge and in the 2013 final, when Dublin looked like they could win going away, Mayo dug deep and clawed it back to 1 point (and if that had been under the new rules where a proper amount of injury time is played, then they most probably would have dug out a draw too.)
If Dublin win, it'll be because we are the better team on the day, not because of any psychological stuff (and vice versa)
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Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2016, 11:37:37 AM
On what basis do you way Mayo have improved? Sunday is the only time we will be able to tell that I think but so far nothing to suggest they've improved.
Beat a much touted Tyrone team in a very thorough manner. Cantered past Tipperary who had beaten Cork and hammered Galway.
Not sure I'd agree with that synopsis of those games. Did they beat Tyrone in a very thorough manner? Tyrone missed about 4 good chances towards the end to draw or even sneak a win in that game. Yes they beat Tipp by 5 but Tipp were on top for long spells in the game and really it was a purple patch just before half-time that was the difference in the end. Plus a rather jammy goal near the end. I mean a win is a win in the end and the Tyrone one especially was a good one as Tyrone were well fancied beforehand but it was still nip and tuck all the way.
Mayo beat Tyrone in a "very thorough manner" in the same way that Russian beat Michael Conlan in a very thorough manner.
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Quote from: Canalman on September 15, 2016, 12:03:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2016, 11:37:37 AM
On what basis do you way Mayo have improved? Sunday is the only time we will be able to tell that I think but so far nothing to suggest they've improved.
Beat a much touted Tyrone team in a very thorough manner. Cantered past Tipperary who had beaten Cork and hammered Galway.
Not sure I'd agree with that synopsis of those games. Did they beat Tyrone in a very thorough manner? Tyrone missed about 4 good chances towards the end to draw or even sneak a win in that game. Yes they beat Tipp by 5 but Tipp were on top for long spells in the game and really it was a purple patch just before half-time that was the difference in the end. Plus a rather jammy goal near the end. I mean a win is a win in the end and the Tyrone one especially was a good one as Tyrone were well fancied beforehand but it was still nip and tuck all the way.
My impression is that Mayo aimed to peak for now this year. They were off the pace in June whereas in previous years they would have come out all guns blazing. They had a gradual progression through the qualifiers, efficient but not flashy. They beat Tyrone who fancied themselves. So far so good. They had 2 moral victories in 2014 and 2015. It's time to do it.
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 15, 2016, 01:14:09 PM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 15, 2016, 12:51:31 PM
Mayo by 3 points with a good helping hand from the referee and the GAA.
Of course Mayo can win on Sunday but they will need to blot out any of the negative thoughts about previous years that are bound to be filling their heads. Their big danger is that if their carefully planned strategies and "surprise" tactics don't seem to be working and they find themselves chasing the game will they succumb to the paralysis of "here we go again".
That's the big question.
I don't agree with that. Dublin have never beaten Mayo out the gate in championship. If it was Kerry who built up a lead in a final v Mayo, then perhaps a "here we go again" vibe might have arisen, but not with the Dubs. Last year both games were on a knife edge and in the 2013 final, when Dublin looked like they could win going away, Mayo dug deep and clawed it back to 1 point (and if that had been under the new rules where a proper amount of injury time is played, then they most probably would have dug out a draw too.)
If Dublin win, it'll be because we are the better team on the day, not because of any psychological stuff (and vice versa)
Obviously the better team on the day must be favoured to win but sometimes a team can be caught up in a losing mentality which can prevent them from cashing in on their real capabilities. It happened to the Dublin team of the late 1990s and for most of the early 2000s. Remember also the final minute of the 2013 final when Mayo seemed to "freeze in the headlights" and spurned a chance of going for a goal with the last kick of the game.
It shouldn't have to be seen as a slight on Mayo to worry for them on Sunday. Its is simple recognition that they are playing against the greatest side in a generation and the best Dubln team ever who are at the peak of their powers. There will be absolutely no disgrace in losing this particular final if they are to leave everything on the field on Sunday. Firstly I'd love to see Mayo win but if that is not possible I just hope that the game is at the very least competitive because I really fear for what Dublin might do to Mayo on Sunday.
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Quote from: Canalman on September 15, 2016, 12:03:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2016, 11:37:37 AM
On what basis do you way Mayo have improved? Sunday is the only time we will be able to tell that I think but so far nothing to suggest they've improved.
Beat a much touted Tyrone team in a very thorough manner. Cantered past Tipperary who had beaten Cork and hammered Galway.
Not sure I'd agree with that synopsis of those games. Did they beat Tyrone in a very thorough manner? Tyrone missed about 4 good chances towards the end to draw or even sneak a win in that game. Yes they beat Tipp by 5 but Tipp were on top for long spells in the game and really it was a purple patch just before half-time that was the difference in the end. Plus a rather jammy goal near the end. I mean a win is a win in the end and the Tyrone one especially was a good one as Tyrone were well fancied beforehand but it was still nip and tuck all the way.
they are not good chances when you've the likes of Cathal McCarron (good footballer as he is) shooting and Niall Morgan kicking from way out..has Morgan ever scored a free can anyone confirm? ;D
On paper Mayo are stronger than the last couple of years and Dublin are weaker. Games between the two counties in recent years have been tight affairs. Sunday will be no different, they'll be very little in it. I'm still going with a 2 point victory for Mayo, and hoping to any god that I score a ticket !
Quote from: yellowcard on September 15, 2016, 01:58:33 PM
It shouldn't have to be seen as a slight on Mayo to worry for them on Sunday. Its is simple recognition that they are playing against the greatest side in a generation and the best Dubln team ever who are at the peak of their powers. There will be absolutely no disgrace in losing this particular final if they are to leave everything on the field on Sunday. Firstly I'd love to see Mayo win but if that is not possible I just hope that the game is at the very least competitive because I really fear for what Dublin might do to Mayo on Sunday.
are you a Dub?
Quote from: JoG2 on September 15, 2016, 01:59:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 15, 2016, 01:58:33 PM
It shouldn't have to be seen as a slight on Mayo to worry for them on Sunday. Its is simple recognition that they are playing against the greatest side in a generation and the best Dubln team ever who are at the peak of their powers. There will be absolutely no disgrace in losing this particular final if they are to leave everything on the field on Sunday. Firstly I'd love to see Mayo win but if that is not possible I just hope that the game is at the very least competitive because I really fear for what Dublin might do to Mayo on Sunday.
are you a Dub?
A Dub hoping that Mayo win? Definitely not. That said, I don't have the general dislike of Dublin that a lot of non Dubs seem to have. They play the game in the right way. I enjoy watching them play and to my mind they are the best footballing side I've seen play the game in living memory as I never had the fortune of seeing the Kerry golden years team.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 15, 2016, 02:03:49 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 15, 2016, 01:59:33 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 15, 2016, 01:58:33 PM
It shouldn't have to be seen as a slight on Mayo to worry for them on Sunday. Its is simple recognition that they are playing against the greatest side in a generation and the best Dubln team ever who are at the peak of their powers. There will be absolutely no disgrace in losing this particular final if they are to leave everything on the field on Sunday. Firstly I'd love to see Mayo win but if that is not possible I just hope that the game is at the very least competitive because I really fear for what Dublin might do to Mayo on Sunday.
are you a Dub?
A Dub hoping that Mayo win? Definitely not. That said, I don't have the general dislike of Dublin that a lot of non Dubs seem to have. They play the game in the right way. I enjoy watching them play and to my mind they are the best footballing side I've seen play the game in living memory as I never had the fortune of seeing the Kerry golden years team.
I'll confess I didn't read the last part first time around ! You're a fierce man for the Dubs. I'll agree though, they are brilliant to watch. I do hope to watch Mayo topple them on Sunday (like yourself it seems) :)
QuoteOn paper Mayo are stronger than the last couple of years and Dublin are weaker. Games between the two counties in recent years have been tight affairs. Sunday will be no different, they'll be very little in it. I'm still going with a 2 point victory for Mayo, and hoping to any god that I score a ticket !
Agreed ;) ;)
On the ticket front, are Dublin / Mayo fans finding it harder to get tickets this year? I'm in a few draws for tickets and would dearly love to go, but would probably end up giving it (with a heavy heart) to a Dublin friend living up in the North-West (if I won).
Quote from: JoG2 on September 15, 2016, 02:28:57 PM
On the ticket front, are Dublin / Mayo fans finding it harder to get tickets this year? I'm in a few draws for tickets and would dearly love to go, but would probably end up giving it (with a heavy heart) to a Dublin friend living up in the North-West (if I won).
Appears that way. In a couple of draws myself - if I win I'll be giving it to a mate in Dublin also.
Quote from: JoG2 on September 15, 2016, 01:58:54 PM
On paper Mayo are stronger than the last couple of years and Dublin are weaker. Games between the two counties in recent years have been tight affairs. Sunday will be no different, they'll be very little in it. I'm still going with a 2 point victory for Mayo, and hoping to any god that I score a ticket !
Are they?
Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2016, 01:40:47 PM
Mayo beat Tyrone in a "very thorough manner" in the same way that Russian beat Michael Conlan in a very thorough manner.
But they have the right feng shui
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Quote from: JoG2 on September 15, 2016, 01:58:54 PM
On paper Mayo are stronger than the last couple of years and Dublin are weaker. Games between the two counties in recent years have been tight affairs. Sunday will be no different, they'll be very little in it. I'm still going with a 2 point victory for Mayo, and hoping to any god that I score a ticket !
Are they?
yes imo
QuoteOn the ticket front, are Dublin / Mayo fans finding it harder to get tickets this year? I'm in a few draws for tickets and would dearly love to go, but would probably end up giving it (with a heavy heart) to a Dublin friend living up in the North-West (if I won).
Yes - tickets very thin on the ground
Tis only Thursday, the serious horse trading only starts now as people begin to get the actual tickets into their hands...
Anyone thinking Mayo's win over Tyrone was convincing/ thorough should read the article below.
https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/mayo-v-tyrone-2016-ai-quarter-final/
Also as for them beating a Tipp team who beat Cork and Galway that's just grasping at straws stuff given how poor Galway and Cork were this year. Tipp had so few options they played a lad with a broken bone from the start in midfield in the semi-final. They lost one of their key players to a black card early one and had so little in the way of options, the sub they brought on to replace him was subbed off again and they still made a game off it. Was anyone in the land using Kerry's much more comfortable win over Tipp as evidence that they could give Dublin a game?
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 15, 2016, 04:26:52 PM
Anyone thinking Mayo's win over Tyrone was convincing/ thorough should read the article below.
https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/mayo-v-tyrone-2016-ai-quarter-final/
the only bit that counts
Quote from: JoG2 on September 15, 2016, 04:30:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 15, 2016, 04:26:52 PM
Anyone thinking Mayo's win over Tyrone was convincing/ thorough should read the article below.
https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/mayo-v-tyrone-2016-ai-quarter-final/
the only bit that counts
Excellent analysis though. The expected points stat is very useful. Tells you a lot more than wides/attempts stats.
Quote from: stephenite on September 15, 2016, 11:27:17 AM
Quote from: guy crouchback on September 14, 2016, 01:06:03 PM
this thread has gone a bit quite and maybe we don't have much left to say about the game its self so instead ill wax nostalgic ,this is a post i put up before last years semi
It's hard to describe the excitement I felt on that first trip to Croke park, the 18Th of august 1985 (yes of course I had to look it up!). I was 8 years old and me and my dad were going off for the day to the big game. looking back now he was probably as excited as I was, he would have been 37 at the time, younger then I am now and in his lifetime mayo had given him very few days out in Dublin, I was the eldest so it was just me and him. Up early for a bus to Dublin. I don't remember much about the bus journey up except that I was worried about my new flag. I was told I had to leave it in the overhead locker and I did not like being parted from it. it was the height of fashion that year, red and green horizontal bars as opposed to the more traditional vertical. God I loved that flag I kept it for years, until it became so frayed at the edges it was little more than a collection of streamers.
I remember being out the back of the Hogan stand waiting to go in and being in awe of this huge structure. In my mind's eye it's a beautiful sunny day. we went inside and it was dark and forbidding the toilets were horrible and crowed and my earlier euphoria was beginning to fade. Then the magic happened, a spell was cast on me that remains to this day. We turned the corner to our section and walked towards the blinding light and there it was, Croker in all its glory, the field a brilliant striped green a field like non I'd ever seen, there was no HDTV in 1985 so I had literally never seen anything as perfect, and then there were that stands and the people and the hill and all the blue and all the green and red. All the green and red, and my dad seemed to know everyone and every one was calling out and shouting and excited we took our seats and I got my first lesson in how to strike up conversations with strangers at football matches. to me the opposition were the big bad dubs so I was a bit surprised by the chatting with all the Dublin supporters, all the craic, I think I learned I was culchie that day, ( I already knew they were only auld jackeens!) My dad had worked in Dublin years before and of course he knew some relation of the guy behind us, I was trying to get my game face on but he kept gasbagging with the enemy!!
Then the band and the parade and the anthem and mayo were doing well, Kevin mc stay tj kilgallon, willie joe padden, john finn and the rest. The excitement was too much, the game went by in flash, we drew!! I was delighted but I got the impression the older ones new it was no good that we had lost our chance, still no harm we would be back and if not this year then next, I saw the future as being centred on my new favourite place in the world, the naivety of youth. Still as I said the spell was cast, the grass, the noise, the crowds the colour, the band, the players, the game, in later years the pubs, the friends, the nights out before and after, now its heading back to the day trips with kids again, the world turns. The kids, nothing sums up the GAA more than the kids that go to games big and small with their flags and headbands and hats and jerseys and a ferocious belief in their team that is hard to maintain as the years pass buy.
So on sunday we meet again, about a third of the population of Mayo will actually leave the county and head to Dublin, we will meet our best friends and people we haven't seen in years as we amble down the north circular, outside gills we will meet some Dubs we know and the craic will flow, heroes of yesteryear will walk buy and dads will whisper their names to the little ones " look that's wille joe padden over there'', "See yer man son, that's Barney Rock", the kids will nod but don't really care they only have eyes for Aiden or Bernard.
Then inside and it happens all over again, the bright light from the tunnel, the incredible green, the noise the roar of the hill, ''come on you boys in blue'', MAYO MAYO MAYO MAYO'' in response from around the ground growing louder and louder. Then a winner and a loser, Who shall it be? Doesn't really matter.
You weren't half as innocent nor eloquent by the time the 96 final came round, drunk out of your mind playing poker in a bed sit in Charlemont street if I recall? ;)
I thought you were dead, welcome back
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 15, 2016, 06:47:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 15, 2016, 04:30:48 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 15, 2016, 04:26:52 PM
Anyone thinking Mayo's win over Tyrone was convincing/ thorough should read the article below.
https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/mayo-v-tyrone-2016-ai-quarter-final/
the only bit that counts
Excellent analysis though. The expected points stat is very useful. Tells you a lot more than wides/attempts stats.
Oh aye, superb work
Have me Mayo flag out. Don't let me down.
Changed my mind again after trying multiple formations and options for our team.
The bookies never have it far wrong and I would say if we went out and played Dublin 5 times over the next five weekends we might win 1 and maybe draw another. In fact if the pick of Mayo and Kerry played Dublin I would still give Dublin more than a 50/50 chance.
f**k it anyhow. I had myself deluded for a week or more. I'm just going to go on the beer from 3pm on Sat to try and ease the pain.
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 15, 2016, 04:26:52 PM
Anyone thinking Mayo's win over Tyrone was convincing/ thorough should read the article below.
https://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/mayo-v-tyrone-2016-ai-quarter-final/
There's our problem right there: "...Of course that leaves the supporting cast [outside of Harte & Mattie Donnelly] returning 7% (1 from 14) and Expt Pts of -5.13. That is genuinely appalling and even more so when you consider that eight of those 14 shots occurred either from the central zone around the D or inside the 20m line."
Dublin won't be anything like as lax, and Mayo need close that door on so many opportunities at opposition scores on Sunday.
Was talking to a fella earlier about the match and we got to discussing possible match ups and how many we expect to win, it didn't turn out great. I'd expect it to go something like this (just considering lines of play here as it's hard to call exactly who'll pick up who). And even at this, I might be optimistic in places.
Goalie
Clarke vs. Cluxton - Mayo 0, Dublin 1
Cluxton might be on the wane but he's still top quality. Clarke is a better shot stopper imo but he's nowhere near as good on kickouts
Mayo FB Line:
Barrett or Keane / Higgins / Harrison (+ McL) or AN Other vs. Rock / BB / Kevin Mc - Mayo 1, Dublin 2
I'd hope that Higgins & Harrison can break even here but Kevin Mc gives Dublin the advantage even with the sweeper
Mayo HB line:
Keegan / Boyle / Durcan vs. Connolly / KK / Flynn - Mayo 1.5, Dublin 1.5
Assuming Flynn is as poor as he's been all year, all three of these should finish up around even. If Flynn plays well then it's + 1 Dublin.
Midfield:
SOS / Vaughan or Parsons vs. Fenton & MDMA - Mayo 0.5, Dublin 1.5
I think Fenton is top quality and is too good for any of four options
Mayo HF line:
DOC / AOS / Doc vs. Small / COS / McCarthy - Mayo 2, Dublin 1
Assuming DOC is fit, I expect him and AOS to win their battles against any of these three.
Mayo FF line:
Andy / COC vs. Cooper / McMahon / Byrne Mayo 1, Dublin 2
I think both Andy & Cillian will break even with their men overall but against 3 men, it'll be hard for them to turn those battles into wins.
Subs: Dublin are weaker on the bench than previous year but still have better forwards to bring on (Mannion, Andrews & O'Gara vs. Regan, Dillon, Freeman) although Mayo have an advantage at MF (Parsons & Barry vs Bastick & ??). Neither have great strength on the bench in the backs (assuming Barrett starts for us) so if either side get a black card, it could be telling.
Overall:
Mayo: 6 Dublin 9
If it pans out like that, then you're looking at a 6+ points win for Dublin.
So for us to win, I think we need to turn ~6 of those battles from losses into draws or draws into wins. Looking at which ones we could possibly turn around:
Clarke - would need to nail all his kickouts (unlikely to get too many soft short ones) and concede < 2 goals to turn that into a draw.
The FB line would need to curtail Kevin Mc and reduce the numbers of frees conceded (Tipp scored 9 or 10 from frees)
At HB, Boyler or Durcan would need to win their battle (or Keegan help Connolly beat the queues for a shower)
It's stating the obvious but MF is crucial, we need to win all our own kickouts and a few of Dublin's. With Vaughan & SOS though we don't have our strongest fielders in there. I think SOS should be told that he's only playing 35 minutes and to empty himself in the first half; replace with Parsons at HT and repeat.
Doc is our second highest scorer in the championship so far, would need him to chip in with 2-3 points.
At FF, Andy & COC will need runners supporting to win that line for us.
Everything would need to fall into place for us to win here but there's always hope.........
Reading back on that, it's fairly pessimistic but I'm sure by 3:30pm on Sunday I'll be certain we can take them!!
Maigh Eo abu
Quote from: highorlow on September 15, 2016, 09:50:21 PM
Changed my mind again after trying multiple formations and options for our team.
The bookies never have it far wrong and I would say if we went out and played Dublin 5 times over the next five weekends we might win 1 and maybe draw another. In fact if the pick of Mayo and Kerry played Dublin I would still give Dublin more than a 50/50 chance.
f**k it anyhow. I had myself deluded for a week or more. I'm just going to go on the beer from 3pm on Sat to try and ease the pain.
Ah yeah. We must be the only fans ( well the older ones anyway, that have seen us lose 7 finals from 7 and a replay), that come to terms with the disappointment of it all before the actual match. It's the only way to cope I suppose. 90% resignation to misery and 10% hope.
Yes moysider. That's exactly how I feel. Ready for and expecting a loss. Mad I know.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 15, 2016, 11:33:44 PM
Yes moysider. That's exactly how I feel. Ready for and expecting a loss. Mad I know.
Sigh!! Not mad really though is it? A mixture of realism and conditioning. That mixture adds up to pessimism in our case. For us to be optimistic would be madness indeed. Hope is the best we can hope for.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 15, 2016, 11:33:44 PM
Yes moysider. That's exactly how I feel. Ready for and expecting a loss. Mad I know.
I wasn't expecting you to be pessimistic.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 15, 2016, 11:33:44 PM
Yes moysider. That's exactly how I feel. Ready for and expecting a loss. Mad I know.
I'm shocked at the two of ye, never thought I'd see the day!
Mayo by 4 points.
If Mayo win they will have to build a new maternity wing in Castlebar hospital.
Mayo have a chance if they wind Connelly up da feck!! Get him sent off and play against 14 men! Would still be tough but better than what they would against 15 flying fit Dubs!
This is a lovely bit of writing by Paul Rouse in the Examiner.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paul-rouse/memories-of-seamus-darbys-winner-my-greatest-day-of-all-time-421279.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paul-rouse/memories-of-seamus-darbys-winner-my-greatest-day-of-all-time-421279.html)
Quote from: ballinaman on September 16, 2016, 07:37:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 15, 2016, 11:33:44 PM
Yes moysider. That's exactly how I feel. Ready for and expecting a loss. Mad I know.
I'm shocked at the two of ye, never thought I'd see the day!
That's bad lads, and the problem is the defeatism can leach into the team from the stands on the day, I'm not one who normally thinks the crowd has much of a bearing on things on the field but I think there are two scenarios where it does ,1 Where the fans expect to be beaten and something bad happens, theres a bit of heads down and no fight coming from the stands whereas when they have hope there is a tendency to say "f*ck that we'll go again, start of the second half versus Kerry in 2014, Leeroy sent off, things not going great but the attitude of the crowd was we're going to fight this and the players were in the same mood too. 2. Where a team is expected to win handy and things start going wrong, the complacency that clearly was there leading to things not going right means the crowd get cranky and it feeds into the team. We need not to let 1 happen and hope that 2 happens to the Dubs.
Greasy wet ball, Rock misses a few frees, O'Connor is getting his, Conor Lane is annoying Dublin, the Hill wont be long getting cranky with the boys if that's starts happening. Its not that long ago that they used to fold like a cheap suit, even against us. That is still there of the muscle memory, we need to create a situation that brings it out!
Agree with above. The supporters need to behind the team from the throw in. I'll be roaring them on again, more so in hope this time. I've been to every final since 89, this year feels like a tougher challenge, that we are really up against a team of excellent footballers at their peak. The heart says us by 3 but the head says Dubs by 2. With a bit of luck and our forwards hitting form on the day, just maybe......
The one thing I'll say to Mayo fans is the players need your support when they're level or a point up with 10 minutes to go more than they need it when they're a couple of points down with 10 minutes to go.
The lack of support for the last 10 minutes of the 2013 final was bizarre.
The fans didn't believe and the players didn't believe.
Don't be looking over your shoulder with the finishing line in sight.
I was chatting to a few Dubs last night at my son's training and I was surprised they were all rather cautious about Sunday. Maybe it's because Mayo don't fear Dublin as much as other teams do now, including Kerry.
I don't know but I think Dublin have not played to their full potential this year either and haven't shown the swashbuckle approach that they did in other years. They seem much more controlled and almost machine like now in how they close out a game. People talk about the meltdown of Cluxton and Co just before half time but I didn't think so. They trust themselves to play their way out of trouble and seemed very calm going into that final 10 mins being 3 points down. They have not scored as many goals this year or don't seem to go for goals like they used to.
I think Jim Gavin is a very driven disciplined manager who knows that if they don't get the two (or three) in a row then it will all have just been talk.
I expect Mayo will find Dublin's defence much harder to break down this year than in other years and the two goals Dublin conceded v Kerry will probably mean the Dubs will be more determined now to not let that happen again.
I've a bad feeling for Mayo that Dublin will come all guns blasting in the first half and then they can sit back in numbers and pick them off on the break with the usual cavalry coming on. But who knows? Maybe Mayo will shock us all just like Donegal did two years ago.
Don't worry lads. I shout louder when I think we'll lose. The Tipp and the qualifier games I was at I wasn't as loud as other matches. Know what I mean?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2016, 11:20:38 AM
The one thing I'll say to Mayo fans is the players need your support when they're level or a point up with 10 minutes to go more than they need it when they're a couple of points down with 10 minutes to go.
The lack of support for the last 10 minutes of the 2013 final was bizarre.
The fans didn't believe and the players didn't believe.
Don't be looking over your shoulder with the finishing line in sight.
Well said.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2016, 09:00:26 AM
This is a lovely bit of writing by Paul Rouse in the Examiner.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paul-rouse/memories-of-seamus-darbys-winner-my-greatest-day-of-all-time-421279.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paul-rouse/memories-of-seamus-darbys-winner-my-greatest-day-of-all-time-421279.html)
That really is a great piece.
A few years ago, RTE did a wonderful radio documentary about that '82 Offaly team & what their lives were like in the years after they stopped playing. I was driving home from Kerry when it was on, which was very apt. It's probably in the "Doc on One" archives, if any one wants to dig it out. Well worth a listen.
Team named
http://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10011954/
Will it start?
QuoteThe one thing I'll say to Mayo fans is the players need your support when they're level or a point up with 10 minutes to go more than they need it when they're a couple of points down with 10 minutes to go.
The lack of support for the last 10 minutes of the 2013 final was bizarre.
The fans didn't believe and the players didn't believe.
Don't be looking over your shoulder with the finishing line in sight.
Similar scenario in last years replay game. Even when AM scored the goal it was as if our fans knew the inevitable result was on it's way. Maybe it was just the fans near me though, not sure.
The SOS incident happened directly in front of me and that completely dampened all the Mayo's in the middle of the Cusack that day.
If we quieten the home fans at some stage it will help, Donegal scared them in the QF and that, i think is because the home fans knew that Donegal have the beating of them, the same should apply for us.
There's an awful sense of over-compensation by the Ballagh 'Rhubarbs' with the amount of bunting they polluted the town with this month. Must feel a bit threatened.
QuoteWill it start?
No. I'd say at least one personnel change in the HF line. As for the positions, do they matter anymore?
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2016, 01:12:37 PM
There's an awful sense of over-compensation by the Ballagh 'Rhubarbs' with the amount of bunting they polluted the town with this month. Must feel a bit threatened.
Threatened by what?
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 16, 2016, 01:44:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2016, 01:12:37 PM
There's an awful sense of over-compensation by the Ballagh 'Rhubarbs' with the amount of bunting they polluted the town with this month. Must feel a bit threatened.
Threatened by what?
Touchy
Quote from: highorlow on September 16, 2016, 01:17:12 PM
QuoteWill it start?
No. I'd say at least one personnel change in the HF line. As for the positions, do they matter anymore?
I'd be surprised if any of DOC,AOS or KMcL were dropped.
QuoteI'd be surprised if any of DOC,AOS or KMcL were dropped.
So would I.
I would say we will see a change in the HF line.
Quote from: highorlow on September 16, 2016, 02:03:04 PM
QuoteI'd be surprised if any of DOC,AOS or KMcL were dropped.
So would I.
I would say we will see a change in the HF line.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jason was under pressure but he does a lot of unselfish work so the man that would come in would need to put himself about too.
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2016, 01:51:24 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 16, 2016, 01:44:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2016, 01:12:37 PM
There's an awful sense of over-compensation by the Ballagh 'Rhubarbs' with the amount of bunting they polluted the town with this month. Must feel a bit threatened.
Threatened by what?
Touchy
No it was a genuine question.
Quote from: Chimley on September 16, 2016, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 16, 2016, 02:03:04 PM
QuoteI'd be surprised if any of DOC,AOS or KMcL were dropped.
So would I.
I would say we will see a change in the HF line.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jason was under pressure but he does a lot of unselfish work so the man that would come in would need to put himself about too.
I have a feeling that maybe Vaughan will start in midfield with Coen coming into the backs , also I think Loftus might start instead of Doherty.
Jesus, Ray Silke is some spoofer, three things Mayo must do to win:
1. "Disrupt Cluxton's short kick-outs" by having "a cut and go for it"
2. "Improve on their consistency and intensity for the full 75 minutes" but fortunately "Mayo have never feared Dublin
3. "Get their match-ups right" which is probably a valid one but he offers no insight or opinion into what he thinks the right match ups are
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0916/816948-three-things-mayo-must-do-to-beat-dublin/
QuoteI was chatting to a few Dubs last night at my son's training and I was surprised they were all rather cautious about Sunday.
Yep most of us think it'll be a close game despite the apparent lack of form of Mayo this year compared to previous seasons.
Anyway these are special days so to everyone lucky enough to get a ticket enjoy the occasion.
I've a couple of good Mayo pals who I would be be happy for if Mayo win but hopefully we can continue the run going and make it two in a row
Quote from: Declan on September 16, 2016, 02:35:33 PM
QuoteI was chatting to a few Dubs last night at my son's training and I was surprised they were all rather cautious about Sunday.
Yep most of us think it'll be a close game despite the apparent lack of form of Mayo this year compared to previous seasons.
Anyway these are special days so to everyone lucky enough to get a ticket enjoy the occasion.
I've a couple of good Mayo pals who I would be be happy for if Mayo win but hopefully we can continue the run going and make it two in a row
I'm very wary.
Despite winning all our league games, and strolling through Leinster again, we haven't played as well as last year or 2013 in my view. But we did play well when it was put up to us v Kerry.
But I would have had Mayo as our biggest threat at the beginning of the year. Nothing between us last year, and with both teams down their full backs, there's absolutely no reason it shouldnt be close again this year.
With both the O'Connors and Parsons 100% fit, I'm expecting the real Mayo to show up.
I still think we'll edge it. But I'm fearful of Mayo's running game, and I'm fearful Flynn will be a passenger again for us. I hope Gavin acts quickly if he's slack again in tracking his man when he makes runs, like he was v Kerry.
I would like to see Mayo win it. If it was Mayo v Kerry, I'd be cheering loudly for them. But I don't want to be the ones to lose to them when they finally win an AI! Up the Dubs!
Parsons starting. From RTE.ie;
Mayo have made one change for their All-Ireland SFC final against Dublin in Croke Park with Tom Parsons coming into the side.
Manager Stephen Rochford brings Parsons into the midfield in place of Barry Moran.
Mayo team: David Clarke, Brendan Harrison, Donal Vaughan, Keith Higgins, Lee Keegan, Colm Boyle, Patrick Durcan, Seamus O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Kevin McLoughlin, Aidan O'Shea, Diarmuid O'Connor, Jason Doherty. Andy Moran, Cillian O'Connor.
Sunday Weather
18/09/2016 00:00–06:00 Clear sky. For the period: 00:00–06:00 13° 0 mm Light breeze, 3 m/s from south-southwestLight breeze, 3 m/s from south-southwest
06:00–12:00 Cloudy. For the period: 06:00–12:00 11° 0 mm Gentle breeze, 4 m/s from southwestGentle breeze, 4 m/s from southwest
12:00–18:00 Heavy rain. For the period: 12:00–18:00 17° 5.4 mm Gentle breeze, 4 m/s from southwestGentle breeze, 4 m/s from southwest
Big rain coming in on Sunday. Should favour the underdogs.
Best of luck to both Senior teams and also to the Galway minors.
Can see possibly 2 changes to the Mayo team named.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 16, 2016, 02:33:06 PM
Jesus, Ray Silke is some spoofer, three things Mayo must do to win:
1. "Disrupt Cluxton's short kick-outs" by having "a cut and go for it"
2. "Improve on their consistency and intensity for the full 75 minutes" but fortunately "Mayo have never feared Dublin
3. "Get their match-ups right" which is probably a valid one but he offers no insight or opinion into what he thinks the right match ups are
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0916/816948-three-things-mayo-must-do-to-beat-dublin/
Ah theres a huge numbers of fellas robbing a living at this punditry crack. Even our own James Horan is getting a bit tiresome and "over exposed". Hes fecken everywhere.
And the thing is, theres no more to say about it, its all been said already. Dublin are red hot favourites and mayo have to find something no-one has seen from us this year to win it. End of.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2016, 11:20:38 AM
The one thing I'll say to Mayo fans is the players need your support when they're level or a point up with 10 minutes to go more than they need it when they're a couple of points down with 10 minutes to go.
The lack of support for the last 10 minutes of the 2013 final was bizarre.
The fans didn't believe and the players didn't believe.
Don't be looking over your shoulder with the finishing line in sight.
TBH they might be better off without the fans until they win an all Ireland final
The fatalism is shocking
Quote from: highorlow on September 16, 2016, 03:59:52 PM
Best of luck to both Senior teams and also to the Galway minors.
Why wish best of luck to only three of the four counties on show?
Here is hoping all four counties do themselves justice on the biggest day of the football year.
And safe travels to all supporters as well.
Can RTÈ not find anyone other than the Tanman to interview in Mayo or WestRos??
Quote from: Rossfan on September 16, 2016, 06:50:28 PM
Can RTÈ not find anyone other than the Tanman to interview in Mayo or WestRos??
We roll him out this time of year to do the usual spiel, who do ye use ? Oh wait.....
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 16, 2016, 06:55:52 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 16, 2016, 06:50:28 PM
Can RTÈ not find anyone other than the Tanman to interview in Mayo or WestRos??
We roll him out this time of year to do the usual speil, who do ye use ? Oh wait.....
Oh wait what? We use Cake.
This time of year ?
Cake on as I type ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on September 16, 2016, 06:50:28 PM
Can RTÈ not find anyone other than the Tanman to interview in Mayo or WestRos??
He has the equivalent attraction of a black hole to any microphone or camera that comes anywhere near him.😜
Quote from: bucko on September 16, 2016, 03:28:25 PM
Parsons starting. From RTE.ie;
Mayo have made one change for their All-Ireland SFC final against Dublin in Croke Park with Tom Parsons coming into the side.
Manager Stephen Rochford brings Parsons into the midfield in place of Barry Moran.
Mayo team: David Clarke, Brendan Harrison, Donal Vaughan, Keith Higgins, Lee Keegan, Colm Boyle, Patrick Durcan, Seamus O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Kevin McLoughlin, Aidan O'Shea, Diarmuid O'Connor, Jason Doherty. Andy Moran, Cillian O'Connor.
Dunno what personnel switches will be made before the thrown-in but it seems to me that Rochford is putting out the best side available to him. Can't say I'm confident of the outcome but I'd prefer to face Dublin than Kerry any day.
Keep the faith!
Listened to all the previews so far and not one person has tipped Mayo yet. Aidan O'Se give an interview and admitted that Mayo are past their peak and that 2014 was the big chance blown for this team. Its not an unreasonable analysis but nonetheless it strange coming from one of the players on the week of the AI final.
I'm going to feel sorry for all those Rhubarb children on the Six-one on Sunday when their dreams are shattered. So sorry.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 16, 2016, 09:35:29 PM
Listened to all the previews so far and not one person has tipped Mayo yet. Aidan O'Se give an interview and admitted that Mayo are past their peak and that 2014 was the big chance blown for this team. Its not an unreasonable analysis but nonetheless it strange coming from one of the players on the week of the AI final.
Why would anyone give Mayo a chance anyway?
I'm not being a smartarse but do Mayo fans still believe after all these years of defeat? I mean at some point do you not just abandon hope because the pain is just too much to take. I've watched my club and county get beaten and swore I'd never be fit to put my heart and soul behind them again.
Minds me of that ROG interview where he says he can't do it anymore.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2016, 10:03:40 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 16, 2016, 09:35:29 PM
Listened to all the previews so far and not one person has tipped Mayo yet. Aidan O'Se give an interview and admitted that Mayo are past their peak and that 2014 was the big chance blown for this team. Its not an unreasonable analysis but nonetheless it strange coming from one of the players on the week of the AI final.
Why would anyone give Mayo a chance anyway?
I've seen people on here predicting a Mayo win and I've seen polls (yes they are ludicrous I know) that showed an almost equal split. The Dubs are 26 games unbeaten, Mayo have average form all season so based on what we know there is no logical reason why Mayo can win.
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2016, 10:01:38 PM
I'm going to be feel so very sorry for all those Rhubarb children on the Six-one on Sunday when their dreams are shattered. So sorry.
Save the pity for your own county first! We don't need anybody's pity.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2016, 10:16:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2016, 10:01:38 PM
I'm going to be feel so very sorry for all those Rhubarb children on the Six-one on Sunday when their dreams are shattered. So sorry.
Save the pity for your own county first! We don't need anybody's pity.
In fairness it made me wish you could still strick a slap on school-kids more than it made me feel pity.
You could release an album with the number of new Mayo songs on Mid-West these days, Bunker. The Saw Doctors must get some jump in royalties when Mayo make an AI final.
You want to slap school-kids!?
Quote from: trileacman on September 16, 2016, 10:09:52 PM
I'm not being a smartarse but do Mayo fans still believe after all these years of defeat? I mean at some point do you not just abandon hope because the pain is just too much to take. I've watched my club and county get beaten and swore I'd never be fit to put my heart and soul behind them again.
Minds me of that ROG interview where he says he can't do it anymore.
It's funny Trileacman , for me anyway I have become more cynical towards the build up over the years( I have been at all the finals since 89) but when I am in the ground I get filled with what I can best describe as a defiant hope and victory suddenly seems possible.
At this stage I occupy two characters , one which is pragmatic weighing up the pressure points on the team that will be fatal if they crack at any moment and the other which latches on to every tackle/ catch / point willing the positive outcome for the team until it is too late. Of course these characters manifest themselves as me mad shouting instructions that make no sense and cheering till I am horse!!
It probably makes no sense but that is how the last 2 finals were for me!! Afterwards usually I would be quiet for an hour , sink a couple of pints and then head into town and get on with it. I am not sure if it has gotten any easier or worse with each final losses but in my head I have conditioned myself to believe it is the same each time!!
Essentially I do still believe after all these years but you are more aware of the obstacles to actually winning and as a plus I am nearly immune to all the media sound bites , hurlers on the ditch etc...
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Listened to all the previews so far and not one person has tipped Mayo yet. Aidan O'Se give an interview and admitted that Mayo are past their peak and that 2014 was the big chance blown for this team. Its not an unreasonable analysis but nonetheless it strange coming from one of the players on the week of the AI final.
Why would anyone give Mayo a chance anyway?
I've seen people on here predicting a Mayo win and I've seen polls (yes they are ludicrous I know) that showed an almost equal split. The Dubs are 26 games unbeaten, Mayo have average form all season so based on what we know there is no logical reason why Mayo can win.
The logic would be based on Mayo scoring more than Dublin. ;)
Anyway who says logic has anything to do with it?
Ever hear of bad weather, good weather, off days, good days, team's clicking, teams falling apart, inspiration, lucky goals, great saves, mistakes, bad decisions, post post post, cards, injuries, breaking ball, inches..,
All these things can turn a game on its head so if you want to talk about the logic of the result you'll have to factor every single one of the millions of senarios that might happen their result and effect on all the other millions of factors and then conclude that no matter how any of these senarios play out Dublin will win.
Yeah I know you cant do that, no one can. Mayo have a decent side, maybe not as accomplished as Dublin but they aren't that far away and anything can happen on the day.
Bottom line is even if previous events say its more likely that Dublin will win they also say that its entirely plausible for Mayo to win it.
Gowan Mayo, I believe your time has come... hope you do to
Quote from: trileacman on September 16, 2016, 10:09:52 PM
I'm not being a smartarse but do Mayo fans still believe after all these years of defeat? I mean at some point do you not just abandon hope because the pain is just too much to take. I've watched my club and county get beaten and swore I'd never be fit to put my heart and soul behind them again.
Minds me of that ROG interview where he says he can't do it anymore.
Every dog will have its day and it's not how many times that you get knocked down that defines you. It's how many times that you get back up.
There will come a day when Mayo will win Sam in Croke Park and there's no reason why it can't happen on Sunday.
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 16, 2016, 09:35:29 PM
Listened to all the previews so far and not one person has tipped Mayo yet. Aidan O'Se give an interview and admitted that Mayo are past their peak and that 2014 was the big chance blown for this team. Its not an unreasonable analysis but nonetheless it strange coming from one of the players on the week of the AI final.
Why would anyone give Mayo a chance anyway?
I've seen people on here predicting a Mayo win and I've seen polls (yes they are ludicrous I know) that showed an almost equal split. The Dubs are 26 games unbeaten, Mayo have average form all season so based on what we know there is no logical reason why Mayo can win.
The logic would be based on Mayo scoring more than Dublin. ;)
Anyway who says logic has anything to do with it?
Ever hear of bad weather, good weather, off days, good days, team's clicking, teams falling apart, inspiration, lucky goals, great saves, mistakes, bad decisions, post post post, cards, injuries, breaking ball, inches..,
All these things can turn a game on its head so if you want to talk about the logic of the result you'll have to factor every single one of the millions of senarios that might happen their result and effect on all the other millions of factors and then conclude that no matter how any of these senarios play out Dublin will win.
Yeah I know you cant do that, no one can. Mayo have a decent side, maybe not as accomplished as Dublin but they aren't that far away and anything can happen on the day.
Bottom line is even if previous events say its more likely that Dublin will win they also say that its entirely plausible for Mayo to win it.
Gowan Mayo, I believe your time has come... hope you do to
There's nothing entirely plausible about suggesting Mayo win an AI final.
Quote from: trileacman on September 16, 2016, 10:09:52 PM
I'm not being a smartarse but do Mayo fans still believe after all these years of defeat? I mean at some point do you not just abandon hope because the pain is just too much to take. I've watched my club and county get beaten and swore I'd never be fit to put my heart and soul behind them again.
Minds me of that ROG interview where he says he can't do it anymore.
A Mayo persons psyche is a complex entity at this stage...mostly stubbornness. It's like waiting for a bus for ages, you wait so long that you say fcuk it, have to commit now.....
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Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2016, 11:23:46 PM
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 16, 2016, 09:35:29 PM
Listened to all the previews so far and not one person has tipped Mayo yet. Aidan O'Se give an interview and admitted that Mayo are past their peak and that 2014 was the big chance blown for this team. Its not an unreasonable analysis but nonetheless it strange coming from one of the players on the week of the AI final.
Why would anyone give Mayo a chance anyway?
I've seen people on here predicting a Mayo win and I've seen polls (yes they are ludicrous I know) that showed an almost equal split. The Dubs are 26 games unbeaten, Mayo have average form all season so based on what we know there is no logical reason why Mayo can win.
The logic would be based on Mayo scoring more than Dublin. ;)
Anyway who says logic has anything to do with it?
Ever hear of bad weather, good weather, off days, good days, team's clicking, teams falling apart, inspiration, lucky goals, great saves, mistakes, bad decisions, post post post, cards, injuries, breaking ball, inches..,
All these things can turn a game on its head so if you want to talk about the logic of the result you'll have to factor every single one of the millions of senarios that might happen their result and effect on all the other millions of factors and then conclude that no matter how any of these senarios play out Dublin will win.
Yeah I know you cant do that, no one can. Mayo have a decent side, maybe not as accomplished as Dublin but they aren't that far away and anything can happen on the day.
Bottom line is even if previous events say its more likely that Dublin will win they also say that its entirely plausible for Mayo to win it.
Gowan Mayo, I believe your time has come... hope you do to
There's nothing entirely plausible about suggesting Mayo win an AI final.
Its much more plausible that Roscommon getting to one
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 16, 2016, 09:35:29 PM
Listened to all the previews so far and not one person has tipped Mayo yet. Aidan O'Se give an interview and admitted that Mayo are past their peak and that 2014 was the big chance blown for this team. Its not an unreasonable analysis but nonetheless it strange coming from one of the players on the week of the AI final.
Why would anyone give Mayo a chance anyway?
I've seen people on here predicting a Mayo win and I've seen polls (yes they are ludicrous I know) that showed an almost equal split. The Dubs are 26 games unbeaten, Mayo have average form all season so based on what we know there is no logical reason why Mayo can win.
The logic would be based on Mayo scoring more than Dublin. ;)
Anyway who says logic has anything to do with it?
Ever hear of bad weather, good weather, off days, good days, team's clicking, teams falling apart, inspiration, lucky goals, great saves, mistakes, bad decisions, post post post, cards, injuries, breaking ball, inches..,
All these things can turn a game on its head so if you want to talk about the logic of the result you'll have to factor every single one of the millions of senarios that might happen their result and effect on all the other millions of factors and then conclude that no matter how any of these senarios play out Dublin will win.
Yeah I know you cant do that, no one can. Mayo have a decent side, maybe not as accomplished as Dublin but they aren't that far away and anything can happen on the day.
Bottom line is even if previous events say its more likely that Dublin will win they also say that its entirely plausible for Mayo to win it.
Gowan Mayo, I believe your time has come... hope you do to
There's nothing entirely plausible about suggesting Mayo win an AI final.
Except that we've won an AI final already this year, so there's that.
If every Mayo player punched their Dublin player full force in the face just as the ref throws the ball up, I think they'd get away with a telling off. That would be my tactic.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2016, 11:47:19 PM
If every Mayo player punched their Dublin player full force in the face just as the ref throws the ball up, I think they'd get away with a telling off. That would be my tactic.
Would it not be the old yellow each for the Dubs and Mayo players? ;D
On the subject of weather, I see it is giving rain for Sunday. Hope springs eternal for Mayo, that could be a leveller.
Quote from: trileacman on September 16, 2016, 10:09:52 PM
I'm not being a smartarse but do Mayo fans still believe after all these years of defeat? I mean at some point do you not just abandon hope because the pain is just too much to take. I've watched my club and county get beaten and swore I'd never be fit to put my heart and soul behind them again.
Minds me of that ROG interview where he says he can't do it anymore.
The answer in short is no and we will abandon nothing whatever at any point.
We haven't done so yet and Hell can fecking freeze over before Mayo fans will give up on their team.
All I will ever ask of them is that they give it their best shot and if that's not enough, I know they will be back next year.
I don't look for nor welcome any sympathy from anyone and I'm acutely aware that at least 30 other counties would dearly love to be where we will be on Sunday next. I ignore shit about Mayo's lack of mental toughness and the likes- it takes a team with immense resolve to keep coming back year upon year and sooner or later, we will crack it.
I'm proud to be a Mayo man and I'm proud of the team that represents us. Frig the begrudgers and bring on the Dubs! ;D
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2016, 11:47:19 PM
If every Mayo player punched their Dublin player full force in the face just as the ref throws the ball up, I think they'd get away with a telling off. That would be my tactic.
Or give them a running kick up the hole before throw-in like Paudí did Joe McNally in '84.
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2016, 11:47:19 PM
If every Mayo player punched their Dublin player full force in the face just as the ref throws the ball up, I think they'd get away with a telling off. That would be my tactic.
That is the best tactic I've seen put forward yet. ;D
A leveller for Mayo is pestilence.
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Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2016, 11:47:19 PM
If every Mayo player punched their Dublin player full force in the face just as the ref throws the ball up, I think they'd get away with a telling off. That would be my tactic.
Ya mean that we should take a leaf outa Mickey's book and adopt the tactics that made Tyrone what it is today? ;D ;D
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2016, 11:57:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2016, 11:47:19 PM
If every Mayo player punched their Dublin player full force in the face just as the ref throws the ball up, I think they'd get away with a telling off. That would be my tactic.
Or give them a running kick up the hole before throw-in like Paudí did Joe McNally in '84.
That was a dirty Dublin side. I remember Barney Rock lifting the goal post and hitting John Lynch over the head with it.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 16, 2016, 11:59:48 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2016, 11:47:19 PM
If every Mayo player punched their Dublin player full force in the face just as the ref throws the ball up, I think they'd get away with a telling off. That would be my tactic.
Ya mean that we should take a leaf outa Mickey's book and adopt the tactics that made Tyrone what it is today? ;D ;D
We only see the medals.
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2016, 12:01:38 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 16, 2016, 11:59:48 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2016, 11:47:19 PM
If every Mayo player punched their Dublin player full force in the face just as the ref throws the ball up, I think they'd get away with a telling off. That would be my tactic.
Ya mean that we should take a leaf outa Mickey's book and adopt the tactics that made Tyrone what it is today? ;D ;D
We only see the medals.
Yeah? Well, we have the same amount of them as you do so what's your problem? ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2016, 12:11:47 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 17, 2016, 12:01:38 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 16, 2016, 11:59:48 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2016, 11:47:19 PM
If every Mayo player punched their Dublin player full force in the face just as the ref throws the ball up, I think they'd get away with a telling off. That would be my tactic.
Ya mean that we should take a leaf outa Mickey's book and adopt the tactics that made Tyrone what it is today? ;D ;D
We only see the medals.
Yeah? Well, we have the same amount of them as you do so what's your problem? ;D
Listen I've a Mayo flag in my garden. Just play dirty.
Since 1951 only 3 teams have lost All Ireland finals without winning one in that period as well. Kildare reached and lost 1. Roscommon reached and lost 2.
Mayo have played in 7 finals in that time (all in last 27 years) without a win. It's a ridiculous stat. really. Mayo fans are in territory other counties' fans have no concept of. We naturally have to have coping strategies in place rather than the cockiness and varying degrees of arrogance you get in other places.
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2016, 12:21:30 AM
Since 1951 only 3 teams have lost All Ireland finals without winning one in that period as well. Kildare reached and lost 1. Roscommon reached and lost 2.
Mayo have played in 7 finals in that time (all in last 27 years) without a win. It's a ridiculous stat. really. Mayo fans are in territory other counties' fans have no concept of. We naturally have to have coping strategies in place rather than the cockiness and varying degrees of arrogance you get in other places.
I was thinking the same thing. It is ridiculous and it has to end some time. There is no way the Cork 2010 team is better than all of those Mayo teams
It must be hard being a Mayo fan
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But 70 minutes could change everything
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All-Ireland SFC Final: Dublin v Mayo, Croke Park, Sunday, 3.30pm
The curse of attaining the status of a great team is the instinct it creates in the rest of us to assert that actually you're not that great after all. If we spent the rest of the summer picking holes in most teams with the determination we apply to the task when Dublin are on the slate, there'd be a lot of snotty letters sent in from Outraged of Oughterard and Belligerent of Bellaghy.
We don't though. We accentuate the positives when it comes to 99 per cent of the counties, which is actually the worst kind of damning with faint praise. This team's system makes them hard to beat, that crowd have a serious free-taker who will keep them in it long enough to have a puncher's chance, SuchAndSuch Park is a tough place to go. Most of the time, we're reaching.
But with Dublin, the parlour game all year is finding the weakness that will cause the edifice to crumble. We were handed a pair of them in early spring this time around, with the defection of Jack McCaffrey and Rory O'Carroll. That'll cost them eventually, we said. Has to.
Well, we're 70 minutes from eventually and they haven't missed a beat yet. Defeat Mayo tomorrow and their status as one of the great Irish sports teams is assured. You have to go back to 2010 to find an All-Ireland final that didn't feature any two from Dublin, Mayo, Kerry and Donegal so we can say that those four counties have been consistently an ocean clear of the rest. Win tomorrow and Dublin will separate themselves finally and definitively from that elite.
The beauty of Jim Gavin and his team this year has been to recognise that you never stand in the same river twice. People move on, the game moves on, Dublin move on. They are a subtly different team this year. Still physical, still methodical, still brutally economic in front of the posts. But the loss of McCaffrey in particular has changed how they go about building a score.
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Of the 18 goals Dublin scored in the 2015 championship, McCaffrey was involved to a greater or lesser extent in nine. He scored one, had the last pass for two others, carried at pace between the 45s to take out opposition players for five (5!) more and laid off a handpass to start a move that led to another. You don't just hand the jersey to the next guy and expect to carry on as normal. Not all animals are equal.
Dublin have scored just five goals in 2016. And yet their average score total per game has not fallen away. By any means. In 2015, they scored 18-118 over seven games, an average return of 24.6 points per game. In 2016, they're on 5-98 after five games – or 22.6 points per game. Once they'd lost the footballer of the year, they looked for alternative cat-skinning methods. Taking your points and waiting for the goals to come isn't such an old-fashioned notion after all.
Argument
So what argument can be made for Mayo here? Oddly enough, there are a few. It has been said, with plenty of justification, that they haven't been impressive through the qualifiers. But anyone watching them can see that in 2016, they haven't been sent out to impress.
For one thing, they have enough players who've done enough impressing and they know by now that it's for the birds. All those games where they blew Sligo and Galway and Donegal to smithereens, what were they for? Who were they going to blow to smithereens in late August or September?
Instead, under Stephen Rochford, they are built to (a) not concede goals and (b) tailor their approach for each specific day. They've given up three goals in seven games so they're getting somewhere with the first part. As for the second, we'll see what they come with.
Rochford has taken a measure of their adventure out and replaced it with the sort of flintiness that has been missing on the days when their hearts were most badly broken. The question now is whether that buys them anything more than a two- or three-point defeat in which they are in touch all the way without ever making a burst at winning. This, it hardly needs pointing out, is an entirely feasible scenario.
Containment
It looks inevitable that Mayo's initial approach will be containment of a sort. It seems unlikely that they played a sweeper all year to abandon it in the All-Ireland final – against Dublin of all teams.
That leaves them with five forwards, which either means Cian O'Sullivan gets an armchair ride at centre-back or Philly McMahon goes score-hunting when the mood takes him. Neither is good.
Ultimately, the nagging feeling when it comes to Mayo is not particularly different to what it was midway through the 2012 and 2013 finals. You look at their forwards and you try to find enough scores and you struggle. Maybe Cillian O'Connor has a day of days, maybe Aidan O'Shea gets on the end of a high one at the edge of the square, maybe Andy Moran beats the sweeper to get enough possession for three or four points. Maybe, maybe, maybe. But you're reaching.
With Dublin, there's no reach. They are what they are, they will do what they will do. Even if it's close with 10 minutes to go, how could you back against them? This will be their 60th game under Gavin. Only 17 of them have been close – a margin of three points or less. Only four have gone against them. It is difficult to argue that this will be a fifth.
Heading East now, the more I think about this game the more I'm thinking we're just not there yet, especially in terms of the quality of our forwards. Listening to Jack O'connor on TG4 last night didn't help, he had the most miserable puss on him, like he was bitter Kerry weren't there. He alluded a couple of times to the hammerings they dished out to us in the 00's and wrote us off completely based on our form to date which is fair enough but ffs cheer up a bit
Safe journey to all Mayo supporters who will travel for the game. It's a great time for both sets of supporters. It is all still to be decided and nothing has been settled yet. Each side can still be optimistic that their team will prevail. Bring it on.
COYBIB
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 17, 2016, 11:42:21 AM
Heading East now, the more I think about this game the more I'm thinking we're just not there yet, especially in terms of the quality of our forwards. Listening to Jack O'connor on TG4 last night didn't help, he had the most miserable puss on him, like he was bitter Kerry weren't there. He alluded a couple of times to the hammerings they dished out to us in the 00's and wrote us off completely based on our form to date which is fair enough but ffs cheer up a bit
Good luck my friend and travel ye in hope and not desperation.
Bear in mind that when the referee throws the ball in, all the bulshit of the analysts disappears into thin air. It will be a case then of fifteen against fifteen and all the overwhelming resources Dublin are said to have at their disposal must be parked on the sideline for the duration of the contest.
Ask yourself if you really accept that Dublin are invincible and that Mayo is just there to make up numbers.
Cast your mind back to the meeting of Dublin and Kerry in the recent semifinal.
Right up to the very last stages, the aging maestros of Kerry gave as good as they got and only when Anno Domini took over, did they wilt in any way. Dublin got through because they were younger and fitter and, dare I say it luckier?
Mayo are definitely faster, fitter and more athletic than Kerry is, or will, be until the old guard fades into the background. Right now, I believe that Mayo would have run the feet off Kerry if they had met in that semi and remember that Kerry left Dublin looking very human indeed.
There is no real point in hypothesising about anything at this, the ultimate stage of the competition but there's no reason to abandon hope either.
KEEP THE FAITH!
(BTW, f**k Jack O'Connor!)
Good luck to all Mayo folk travelling up to Dublin for the match. All form, logic, etc points to a Dublin win but I have this feeling that Mayo will do it. They have beaten Dublin in big matches and provided they keep their cool even when it's going against them they can win. Bring Sam west of the Shannon!
How can we win tomorrow. Firstly we need a performance far and above anything we've produced so far this year, from 1-15 and from anyone who comes off the bench, we can in no way carry any passengers. We need big games from all our big players, but especially from AOS, COC and McLoughlin. We need a big performance from our management as well, in terms of team selection, match ups, tactics and use of the bench.
We need the bit of luck to go our way, the bounce of the ball, the breaks, the 50/50 refereeing decisions. Even wether or not a player slips or stays on his feet at the vital moment we need to go for us.
We need either the bit of complacency to creep into the Dublin mindset and/or 4-5 key Dublin players to have an off day, and the Dublin bench not to have as big an impact as it is capable of.
Is all this possible? Of course it is. Is it probable? I'm not so sure. Maybe it's just too many factors that need to happen for us, that's what makes it unlikely for us.
Quote from: bucko on September 17, 2016, 03:09:11 PM
How can we win tomorrow. Firstly we need a performance far and above anything we've produced so far this year, from 1-15 and from anyone who comes off the bench, we can in no way carry any passengers. We need big games from all our big players, but especially from AOS, COC and McLoughlin. We need a big performance from our management as well, in terms of team selection, match ups, tactics and use of the bench.
We need the bit of luck to go our way, the bounce of the ball, the breaks, the 50/50 refereeing decisions. Even wether or not a player slips or stays on his feet at the vital moment we need to go for us.
We need either the bit of complacency to creep into the Dublin mindset and/or 4-5 key Dublin players to have an off day, and the Dublin bench not to have as big an impact as it is capable of.
Is all this possible? Of course it is. Is it probable? I'm not so sure. Maybe it's just too many factors that need to happen for us, that's what makes it unlikely for us.
Would love to see mayo do it and I think to win they will have to score 2 at least and maybe 3 goals
I don't think they can go point for point with Dublin , get the ball into the hands of their best ball carriers and run at them up the middle may be a Dublin weakness,and knocking the ball into the corners to Andy Moran won't work ,push right up on Dublins kickouts. Try some high balls into o Shea on the edge of the square and also get some luck.
Having see both this year I think Dublin are a good bit better maybe 5+ but I hope I'm wrong.
Donegal 2014 would be the way to do it. The Dubs were cruising until the goals went in. Mayo need to put in a massive shift but if they pull it off they will become immortal. Kids will be talking about them 50 years from now.
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 17, 2016, 11:42:21 AM
Heading East now, the more I think about this game the more I'm thinking we're just not there yet, especially in terms of the quality of our forwards. Listening to Jack O'connor on TG4 last night didn't help, he had the most miserable puss on him, like he was bitter Kerry weren't there. He alluded a couple of times to the hammerings they dished out to us in the 00's and wrote us off completely based on our form to date which is fair enough but ffs cheer up a bit
Even the mention of O Connor is enough to fill me with dread. I remember convincing myself we would win in build up to 2004.
Last few years I've avoided the media build-up as much as possible but still not enjoying this at all. Awful feeling of inevitability about it all.
I'm hearing 2 changes from selected team.
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2016, 04:25:07 PM
I'm hearing 2 changes from selected team.
If Keane is starting hawk the tickets and make a quick buck instead of going in Moy. I hear Michelle Mull is looking for a ticket..
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2016, 04:25:07 PM
I'm hearing 2 changes from selected team.
Won't ask about names or positions, but is it anything significant or out of left field?
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Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2016, 04:25:07 PM
I'm hearing 2 changes from selected team.
Won't ask about names or positions, but is it anything significant or out of left field?
I presume Barrett and B Moran will start and who will drop out should be interesting.
Forecast looks poor tomorrow , who will this suit more ?
Quote from: stiffler on September 17, 2016, 05:17:28 PM
Forecast looks poor tomorrow , who will this suit more ?
Weather didn't seem to adversely affect the Dubs last year in the final, that was a bad day as well.
Quote from: bucko on September 17, 2016, 04:53:10 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2016, 04:25:07 PM
I'm hearing 2 changes from selected team.
Won't ask about names or positions, but is it anything significant or out of left field?
Wouldn t say it's out of left field.
Quote from: bucko on September 17, 2016, 05:21:37 PM
Quote from: stiffler on September 17, 2016, 05:17:28 PM
Forecast looks poor tomorrow , who will this suit more ?
Weather didn't seem to adversely affect the Dubs last year in the final, that was a bad day as well.
They narrowly won a game in which they were comfortably the better team.
I'd say it affected them quite badly.
Did Mayo enlist Jim McGuinness or not?
It doesn't come across too well on the management team when they are enlisting outside help before a final if it is the case.
My own belief is they did enlist him but did not expect the story to get out and are now frantically denying it.
I wonder how much McGuinness earned out of it.
According to Willies blog this morning and the man himself he used the term bullsh#t. re Mcgs involvement.
No less a man than David Brady says it didn't happen.
That's as credible a source as it gets.
By the way, are the Mayo players still wearing the ear-pieces during training?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 17, 2016, 08:13:19 PM
No less a man than David Brady says it didn't happen.
That's as credible a source as it gets.
By the way, are the Mayo players still wearing the ear-pieces during training?
Aye, and listening to Daniel O'Donnell too I'm told
Back to the real stuff. Dublin by however much they want to win by.
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Quote from: bucko on September 17, 2016, 04:53:10 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 17, 2016, 04:25:07 PM
I'm hearing 2 changes from selected team.
Won't ask about names or positions, but is it anything significant or out of left field?
I presume Barrett and B Moran will start and who will drop out should be interesting.
Not sure about Barrett BUT B Moran must start and not as a sweeper in front of the FB line either. Other end of the field and have a right cut at the Dub FB line, might seem like a bog basic tactic but I do think there is some merit in it for tomorrow.
Quote from: cuconnacht on September 17, 2016, 08:05:47 PM
According to Willies blog this morning and the man himself he used the term bullsh#t. re Mcgs involvement.
If we take the article as credible, are we supposed to believe that a ''talk', from someone not involved, last weekend, will dictate how we set up defensively?
If that is the case, we might as well not bother at all.
Anyway.........
BennyCake and anyone else from outside Mayo who happens to find themselves in Castlebar on Monday, if we win tomorrow, send me a PM and I guarantee you a free pint, a probable score and a P45.
I'd safely say that if McGuinness was involved the extent of it was probably just giving a talk to the players with no involvement in any of the training sessions. No different from any other team in GAA or other sports bringing in someone with success in their sport or a psychologist to give a talk before a big match. McGuinness just happens to cover both bases and just the rumour alone will stir a bit of shite. I'd ask the question, who would the notion of Jimmy McGuinness being involved with Mayo affect more?
If the question is who is the best team then it's Dublin every time, however Mayo are close enough to be realistic winners in a once off game like tomorrow. Perhaps it's the neutrals desire for Mayo to get over the hump that's clouding my judgement a bit but I think Mayo might just do it. The form talk is nonsense IMO but I'm concerned Mayo haven't the firepower. Nevertheless, I'm going to back COC and his fellow forwards to have a day they don't regularly have and kick Mayo over the line.
Hope it's a great game too!
Quote from: Zulu on September 17, 2016, 09:33:08 PM
If the question is who is the best team then it's Dublin every time, however Mayo are close enough to be realistic winners in a once off game like tomorrow. Perhaps it's the neutrals desire for Mayo to get over the hump that's clouding my judgement a bit but I think Mayo might just do it. The form talk is nonsense IMO but I'm concerned Mayo haven't the firepower. Nevertheless, I'm going to back COC and his fellow forwards to have a day they don't regularly have and kick Mayo over the line.
Hope it's a great game too!
Spot on Zulu. I see some clown saying Dublin to win by how much they decide. Raiméis. We are nicely set up for this, no fear of the Dubs who are way over confident, and tomorrow you will a performance way above anything else you have seen from us so far this year. Once we stay in this game up to the final 15 or 20 minutes we will win it - pressure will get to the Dubs and we will smell blood. Mayo by 5.
I reckon Jimmy was definitely in with Mayo last week. Even reading his article during the week it was a most unlike Jimmy article and very poor on content. Basically said that Mayo had to play like Maniacs but presented absolutely no solutions tactically which he normally does. I'd say he was brought in his capacity as sports psychologist rather than giving any tactical advice.
I hope we get a cracker of a match tomorrow and it will be like Christmas morning tomorrow for both sets of fans. May the best team win and if that is the Dubs then so be it as they are the finest Gaelic football side I've had the privilege of watching. However if Mayo could somehow upset the apple cart and bring home Sam there won't be a dry eye in the house. No county deserves it more for.
Hitting the road at 7 in the morning....hope to get mass in the big tree at 12 before heading down for a look.
Mayo have more questions to answer than Dublin do, everyone knows what's coming down the tracks for us. I've faith in the management, in game tactical switches will be key. Rub of the green could be handy as well.
C'mon ta fcuk Mayo.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 16, 2016, 11:56:59 PM
Quote from: trileacman on September 16, 2016, 10:09:52 PM
I'm not being a smartarse but do Mayo fans still believe after all these years of defeat? I mean at some point do you not just abandon hope because the pain is just too much to take. I've watched my club and county get beaten and swore I'd never be fit to put my heart and soul behind them again.
Minds me of that ROG interview where he says he can't do it anymore.
The answer in short is no and we will abandon nothing whatever at any point.
We haven't done so yet and Hell can fecking freeze over before Mayo fans will give up on their team.
All I will ever ask of them is that they give it their best shot and if that's not enough, I know they will be back next year.
I don't look for nor welcome any sympathy from anyone and I'm acutely aware that at least 30 other counties would dearly love to be where we will be on Sunday next. I ignore shit about Mayo's lack of mental toughness and the likes- it takes a team with immense resolve to keep coming back year upon year and sooner or later, we will crack it.
I'm proud to be a Mayo man and I'm proud of the team that represents us. Frig the begrudgers and bring on the Dubs! ;D
Good man Lar, great stuff
Excited now, we definitely have a chance but we need everything to go in our favour
Sideline Cut: Mayo might find Dublin vulnerability if they scratch beneath the surface
Connacht men need to turn Jim Gavin's fabulous machine into a mere 15 individuals
about 13 hours ago Updated: about 12 hours ago
Keith Duggan
In the 62nd minute of the All-Ireland semi-final the Kerry players had their first real grasp on the winning of the game – and the reversal of the mythology which has fast built up around Dublin. The quality of the play from both sides was liquid gold at this stage but there was something about the manner of Kerry's next score that stood out.
They were already three hand-passes into their move when Stephen O'Brien exchanged hand-passes with Bryan Sheehan, who in turn managed to move the ball onto Paul Geaney before the Dubs could do what they do so brilliantly: converge, stall the attacker, strip the ball and haul ass to the other end of the field. Geaney sucked in three Dublin defenders and played a ball to Colm Cooper.
So far, the Kerry men had used six-hand passes in a sequence that illuminated the pointlessness of decrying the absence of the kick-pass: when you are playing against a rush-defence like Dublin's, there is simply no time to kick. Move it or lose it.
Except then Cooper, eluding his marker, looked infield and made perfect, judicious use of the foot-pass to find Paul Murphy standing all alone and unmarked. If you freeze the picture just as Cooper is about to make his pass, you can count seven Dublin players in his vicinity and one just out of the picture. They are all looking at the ball.
All heads turn to see where his pass is going and by the time it reaches Murphy, there is nothing they can do about it. As Darragh Maloney remarks in the RTÉ commentary box: "And now there is no pressure on Paul Murphy." The score made it 2-13 to 0-16; a three point lead with eight minutes left. The Dubs managed to parlay that unpromising position into a three-point win but that was an instant in which Kerry cracked the code.
Pressuring the ball-carrier
It was one of the few visible instances in this championship in which Dublin betrayed their vulnerabilities still lurking beneath the surface. Someday, hopefully, we will get to hear the detail of how much time and effort Jim Gavin and his squad have put into transforming themselves into such an impressive defensive unit. But their defensive system, like all systems, can be stretched and the Murphy point illustrated that.
One of the central tenets of Dublin's approach involves pressuring the ball-carrier. In a way, their approach is a calculated gamble because it leaves space elsewhere. For Murphy's point, Kerry just kept moving the ball until they discovered where the space was. They played on instinct and were rewarded for it. Can Mayo move the ball with the same composure under that kind of heat? If so, their task on Sunday becomes achievable.
When Donegal played Dublin in the quarter-final, the Dubs led by 0-11 to 0-5 and were in cruise-control when the evening was coloured by that rare thing: a stray pass from the immaculate Cian O'Sullivan. No harm should have come: his kick landed inside Donegal's 45. Just over 13 seconds later, after seven slick Donegal hand-passes, Stephen Cluxton was picking the ball out of his net.
Donegal are an exceptionally instinctive counter-attacking team. But nonetheless, the response of Dublin's collective defensive system in that moment was interesting: it was non-existent. Nobody knew who to pick up or whether to mark space, and once it was turned to face its own goal, Dublin's collective – the aura of the machine – disappeared and they became individual again.
If Mayo are win their first All-Ireland since 1951, that is something they are going to have to work on for 70 long minutes and then some: stripping Dublin down into 15 individuals, into athletes who are, by virtue of being human, less than perfect. Dublin's range of splendours have been analysed and celebrated to death. But what are the chinks?
Yes, Diarmuid Connolly is an incredible score-getter of either foot. But are all of the Dublin attackers? And if not, how often can Mayo force the others to shoot off their weaker side? In the Kerry game, everyone praised the classy points from McManamon and Connolly late on. But it's Dublin's quiet points which are the killers. After Murphy's point for Kerry, Dublin responded with a move that finished with Philly McMahon breaking forward and tapping over from close in.
It was a huge, huge score. Maybe Mayo decide that while they can live with Connolly contributing six works of art from open play, they cannot allow Philly to get on the scoreboard. And maybe they decide to be brave and gamble and break with absolute abandon from deep – to overwhelm Dublin as the Dubs overwhelm others – for specific periods. There will be plenty of players from both teams with memories of the meeting in 2012 when Mayo obliterated Dublin, the then All-Ireland champions, for 50 minutes: up 0-17 to 0-7 and in for a goal chance which would have killed the game dead.
Less expressive
Yes, that was before Jim Gavin's era and Dublin are a better overall team now. Still, players are players. Mayo know deep down what they did that day. Mayo are different now too: colder, less expressive, less excitable and maybe finally sick to death of hearing how brave they are.
Only once, since that day, have Dublin been forced to doubt themselves. Only once have they been disassembled and stripped down into something less than the omnipotent force, the summer beast (the cliché: "Dublin are a different animal"). Jim Gavin's most brilliant achievement is to present a squad that seems impervious to doubt.
You watch Dublin in their pomp, all heads-up assurance and full of give-and-go chutzpah and it is easy to believe it all. When Dublin attack, they look majestic because they move the ball with the heightened confidence and boldness which comes with winning four national leagues and three All-Irelands. The Hill believes it. The press box believes it: the only time these Dublin players will doubt that they are going to win is when the final whistle goes and they find themselves behind on the scoreboard.
But it doesn't matter to the Mayo players what the world believes. It only matters what they themselves believe. Cold, clear aggression and relentless organisation and psychological belligerence and Calvinist toughness are not the Mayo traits of old but maybe this vintage of Mayo, less heralded and less liked, have that stuff. In order to win the big battle, they have to be prepared to win their share of a thousand little scraps and to sabotage – somehow, anyhow – that fabulous machine which Jim Gavin has assembled.
If Mayo come ready and prepared to do that, then hold on to your hat because it's back to the future. They better hope 1952 is all it's cracked up to be.
As a Dub I really expect a win by 3/4 points. It wud be a bonus if the game is good but I will take the win no matter. I would love to see Mayo win one but not at Dublins expense tomorrow. I have seen nothing that makes me think any result other than a Blue win is possible. Mayo were better last year I think and every player they have including the 6 subs would have to be on their 'A' game to take it tomorrow. Can't wait, on de road early.
Quote from: Syferus on September 17, 2016, 08:46:55 PM
Back to the real stuff. Dublin by however much they want to win by.
May you be as right as your were in your predictions for the Connacht Final. ;D
Incidentally, sister-in-law said she was very moved by the support for Mayo to be seen in Roscommon. She passed though Roscommon Town and said it rivalled Ballagh with the amount of flags and good luck messages to be seen.
Fair play to the Rosssies, (apart from the odd-balls on here), they are by and large a very sporting county.
Hoping for a great match tomorror.just watching up for the match one thing I agree is that the whole thing is so much more serious nowadays. Probably like most neutrals my head says Dublin but my heart says Mayo.
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I posted ten days ago that he was involved and he was
Get up the yard, Heffo.
Quote from: heffo on September 17, 2016, 11:45:03 PM
I posted ten days ago that he was involved and he was.....
....still in Limerick....
....telling us to have 12 backs.....
....fast...
...Bud.
Until victory always
maybe...
Good luck to all the Mayo folks. It's time.
Quote from: heffo on September 18, 2016, 12:00:17 AM
Until victory always
hasta la victoria siempre
That slogan does not apply to the Dubs though Heffo.
Ye lot are the Battistas. The sated and privileged. It is Mayo that is fighting the battle of the underdog and the maligned.
Maybe with Che on our side we might get there eventually, but I don't think it will be tomorrow. The struggle will go on however.
If I were Rochford, I would start big Barry Moran at full forward and bombard Cluxton and the Dub fb with high balls early on, test them out!
For one day,we are all Mayo people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBE-uBgtINg
starring Jackeen Phoenix as the emperor
Final day, hope she's a great game and would dearly love to see Mayo edge a titanic tussle! Been up since 5am lighting 65 candles for ye's!
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2016, 12:21:25 AM
Quote from: heffo on September 18, 2016, 12:00:17 AM
Until victory always
hasta la victoria siempre
That slogan does not apply to the Dubs though Heffo.
Ye lot are the Battistas. The sated and privileged. It is Mayo that is fighting the battle of the underdog and the maligned.
Maybe with Che on our side we might get there eventually, but I don't think it will be tomorrow. The struggle will go on however.
¡Arriba los dubs!
Quote from: heffo on September 18, 2016, 12:00:17 AM
Until victory always
A sentiment very compatible with the AIG sponsorship deal !!
Nothing new to add on predictions etc but I hope if Mayo do win (and I really hope ye pack of hoors don't) that you enjoy it half as much as we did in 2011
Sun is shining now but supposed to piss down for game, this is fantastic news for us.
Cluxton won't be able to find his men under pressure in the rain.
I'm more confident now than I was all week. We will do it by a point.
Will Mayo really start Vaughan at full back?
Brolly gets stuck into Mayo.
Unfortunate headline.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-defeat-doesnt-hurt-badly-enough-for-these-celebrity-losers-35057246.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-defeat-doesnt-hurt-badly-enough-for-these-celebrity-losers-35057246.html)
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 11:20:04 AM
Will Mayo really start Vaughan at full back?
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No! Expect to see him out around midfield with Chris Barrett into the FB line!
Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2016, 11:26:13 AM
Brolly gets stuck into Mayo.
Unfortunate headline.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-defeat-doesnt-hurt-badly-enough-for-these-celebrity-losers-35057246.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-defeat-doesnt-hurt-badly-enough-for-these-celebrity-losers-35057246.html)
Someone said the best criticism is lit with sympathy
Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2016, 11:26:13 AM
Brolly gets stuck into Mayo.
Unfortunate headline.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-defeat-doesnt-hurt-badly-enough-for-these-celebrity-losers-35057246.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-defeat-doesnt-hurt-badly-enough-for-these-celebrity-losers-35057246.html)
Unfortunately, I must agree with the bustard for once.
Throughout this year's campaign I was damn near close to tears as in each game, Mayo tried valiantly to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. In each game they had a spell when they took complete control of proceedings and displayed their full potential as genuine, formidable contenders, able and willing to mix it with any team in the land. And then the inevitable happened and the proverbial wheels came off the wagon once more. Talk about racehorses morphing to carthorses at the beginning of the second half in every single game!
It's alright to talk shite about winning being the only matter of importance or of Mayo conserving its energies for stiffer tasks ahead etc. etc. Truth is either Dublin or Kerry would have finished any of the games Mayo played in with double-digit victories. They knock the stuffing out of anything in their paths. Mayo have to be credited for not allowing defeat to crush them but, as Brolly might have put it, the Big Guns fall silent when the chips are down.
He's right too in saying that Mayo are good enough but maybe not hungry enough.
Christ! I wish we had a few David Bradys in our dressing room this afternoon. He might not have been pretty to watch but you could be sure that anyone he found slacking off would get an almighty kick up the hole!
There'd be no surrender if he was playing.
The weather conditions should suit Mayo. The lower the scoring the game is the better chance Mayo have of causing an upset.
any live streams??
Mayo will have had Dublin in their sights from a long way out so I'd imagine they'll have something up their sleeve. Don't agree Mayo will necessarily benefit by the rain or a low scoring game. The better team are Dublin with the better 'clutch' forwards so a low scoring game will be edged by them. However, if it's a more gung ho type of game I think Mayo have the team to prosper in that scenario, the Dubs do too of course but I think in a tight low scoring game they have more lads to kick a winner than Mayo.
Hope it's a great game and both teams do themselves justice. Can't wait now.
O`Shea getting fouled all day long here
Never knew a McLoughlin that could play football ::)
Black card all day long
16 minutes gone Dublins only score a OG :o
Not like that Bollix Lane not to issue a black card saying hes famous for it, especially as that foul was why the category was introduced
Black card Rules are fierce bullshit.
Dublin's shooting, so far, is woeful. Even their goal was as a flukey result of a poor shooting effort.
2 OG's. Crazy.
That is unreal!!
Mayo 2-3 Dublin no score, 2 very poor own goals to give away
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 18, 2016, 03:46:42 PM
16 minutes gone Dublins only score a OG :o
Another OG and Make that 23 minutes.
Seriously the ref hasnt a clue. block right in front of him, he looks at it and moves on.crazy stuff!!
The curse. Only Mayo could be getting beaten by a team yet to score.
McCarthy black carded.
My Apologies he come back for it, damn right call
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2016, 03:54:29 PM
Seriously the ref hasnt a clue. block right in front of him, he looks at it and moves on.crazy stuff!!
No expert, but I thought that as well....
Black card now
That black card a blow to Dublin and a massive boost to Mayo.
If Mayo can only score for themselves, they'd win this easily! ;)
Andrews coning on a blessing cos Rock is having a nightmare so far.
McManamon might want to change his studs. He can barely stay on his feet from slipping.
I can't see o'shea staying on the field. Should have had black.
Quote from: AQMP on September 18, 2016, 04:02:06 PM
How much shite is it possible for Carney to come out with!
Not really sure he should be doing Mayo games. It's like listening to fanzone on Sky.
Carney shouldn't on commentary with Mayo in the final.
Mayo have busted their asses for nearly the first half and still 3 behind.
You would think mayo were hammering dublin listening to him.
Mayo's tactics are killing them. They are set up to suffer a slow death. They should have far more faith in their own ability.
That kick from Kilkenny epitomises why he is no footballer of the year
As odd a half of football as I've ever seen.
Quote from: Zulu on September 18, 2016, 04:06:20 PM
Mayo's tactics are killing them. They are set up to suffer a slow death. They should have far more faith in their own ability.
If aidan o'shea could hold on to the ball it would help too.
Martin Carney is worse than Carr .
Carneys bias is incredible. An awful analyst to have to listen to.
Dreadful game.
This script was written in 2013. A rattle from a dying wasp, Death, taxes and.. you know what.
Quote from: thejuice on September 18, 2016, 03:20:52 PM
any live streams??
RTE player is open source for this game and the quality of the stream is superb.
If Mayo even had a half decent forward line then they'd be out of sight by now!
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 18, 2016, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 18, 2016, 04:06:20 PM
Mayo's tactics are killing them. They are set up to suffer a slow death. They should have far more faith in their own ability.
If aidan o'shea could hold on to the ball it would help too.
He could have got a few goals if he could hold the thing.
Dublin will walk it from here Andrews will get man of the match too!
Ffs Lane, either let the game go or be picky, mixing it up so the players haven't a notion is a waste of time. What does Aiden OShea have to do to get a free? Down the other end it's much easier.
Brogan, Connolly, Flynn and McManamon have literally done nothing and the Dubs are 5 up. Mayo panicking up top instead of recycling the ball
Crazy game of football
Quote from: square_ball on September 18, 2016, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 18, 2016, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 18, 2016, 04:06:20 PM
Mayo's tactics are killing them. They are set up to suffer a slow death. They should have far more faith in their own ability.
If aidan o'shea could hold on to the ball it would help too.
He could have got a few goals if he could hold the thing.
Dublin will walk it from here Andrews will get man of the match too!
Dublin have never walked a game against this Mayo team.. Can't see it happening today. If Mayo relax on the ball, they will win this
Cillian O'Connor has gone missing.
Have you seen this poor rural boy?
Indeed, Dublin have been bambuzeled, upset, team spirit broken yet they are 5 points ahead against the wind. I expect them to blitz Mayo in the 1st 10 minutes of the 2nd half and it will be game over.
O Shea very poor. Always trying to do it himself- if his 1st instinct was to pop of the ball to someone he'd be a fine player. Keith Higgins surprisingly careless with the ball too. Harrison at corner back is impressive though.
Floodgates on the verge of opening. I've backed total score under 38pts, not too confident at the minute.
Carney is almost as bad as Tommy Carr today!
Mayo are defending quite well, turning over Dublin etc.
But they're not doing a whole pile down the other end at the same time.
Dublin playing poorly enough but Rock has missed 3 or 4 frees which could have them further ahead.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 18, 2016, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 18, 2016, 04:06:20 PM
Mayo's tactics are killing them. They are set up to suffer a slow death. They should have far more faith in their own ability.
If aidan o'shea could hold on to the ball it would help too.
True, but they haven't a hope with the way they are playing. Granted, the Dublin goals were fortunate but Mayo have no threat up front so even without the goals Dublin would edge them. No harm to some of the Mayo forwards but they are again showing why it isn't a myth or a stereotype when people say they haven't a marquee forward or real scoring forwards.
Mayo can't win without their halfback line pushing up and scoring a few as they don't have the forwards to get enough by themselves. Christ, they might lose a shootout but they'll never beat Dublin in a low scoring dogfight as they don't have the clinical forwards to edge it.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 18, 2016, 04:13:08 PM
Cillian O'Connor has gone missing.
Have you seen this poor rural boy?
Brogan, Connolly, Flynn might get a run out in the 2nd half
Dublin far more penetrating than Mayo up front. Those own goals didn't arise out of thin air. Unless Mayo get some support runners going, Dubs will win this by six or seven.
Mayo still have every chance
Quote from: JoG2 on September 18, 2016, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 18, 2016, 04:13:08 PM
Cillian O'Connor has gone missing.
Have you seen this poor rural boy?
Brogan, Connolly, Flynn might get a run out in the 2nd half
Connolly hit a peach of a pass for the second og.
Quote from: JoG2 on September 18, 2016, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 18, 2016, 04:11:25 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 18, 2016, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 18, 2016, 04:06:20 PM
Mayo's tactics are killing them. They are set up to suffer a slow death. They should have far more faith in their own ability.
If aidan o'shea could hold on to the ball it would help too.
He could have got a few goals if he could hold the thing.
Dublin will walk it from here Andrews will get man of the match too!
Dublin have never walked a game against this Mayo team.. Can't see it happening today. If Mayo relax on the ball, they will win this
Jeez I dunno about mayo winning the game they are 5 down which is a huge lead. They will have to chase the game now at this stage.
Time to end this Black card fiasco. Mc Auley with a hand and foot trip. No Black card. Connelly an obvious pull down. Nothing. It's obvious the referee hasn't the balls to use it consistently. Let's just go back to Yellows. Maybe then players will get punished for cycinal tackles.
How could they give thy goal to brogan
Quote from: J70 on September 18, 2016, 04:16:34 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 18, 2016, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 18, 2016, 04:13:08 PM
Cillian O'Connor has gone missing.
Have you seen this poor rural boy?
Brogan, Connolly, Flynn might get a run out in the 2nd half
Connolly hit a peach of a pass for the second og.
1 pass in 38 mins.. I stand corrected
Quote from: OakLeaf on September 18, 2016, 04:17:05 PM
Time to end this Black card fiasco. Mc Auley with a hand and foot trip. No Black card. Connelly an obvious pull down. Nothing. It's obvious the referee hasn't the balls to use it consistently. Let's just go back to Yellows. Maybe then players will get punished for cycinal tackles.
Keegan threw his man to the ground off the ball early on too, blatant black card.
Why was O'Shea's "goal" not allowed?
I didn't see a foul.
Quote from: Itchy on September 18, 2016, 04:19:18 PM
Quote from: OakLeaf on September 18, 2016, 04:17:05 PM
Time to end this Black card fiasco. Mc Auley with a hand and foot trip. No Black card. Connelly an obvious pull down. Nothing. It's obvious the referee hasn't the balls to use it consistently. Let's just go back to Yellows. Maybe then players will get punished for cycinal tackles.
Keegan threw his man to the ground off the ball early on too, blatant black card.
That's not a black card and shouldn't ever be though I know it was issued to SOS.
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2016, 04:19:51 PM
Why was O'Shea's "goal" not allowed?
I didn't see a foul.
Push in the back
Quote from: Zulu on September 18, 2016, 04:21:06 PM
Quote from: Itchy on September 18, 2016, 04:19:18 PM
Quote from: OakLeaf on September 18, 2016, 04:17:05 PM
Time to end this Black card fiasco. Mc Auley with a hand and foot trip. No Black card. Connelly an obvious pull down. Nothing. It's obvious the referee hasn't the balls to use it consistently. Let's just go back to Yellows. Maybe then players will get punished for cycinal tackles.
Keegan threw his man to the ground off the ball early on too, blatant black card.
That's not a black card and shouldn't ever be though I know it was issued to SOS.
Is deliberately pulling/dragging someone to the ground not a black card?
Quote from: Itchy on September 18, 2016, 04:19:18 PM
Quote from: OakLeaf on September 18, 2016, 04:17:05 PM
Time to end this Black card fiasco. Mc Auley with a hand and foot trip. No Black card. Connelly an obvious pull down. Nothing. It's obvious the referee hasn't the balls to use it consistently. Let's just go back to Yellows. Maybe then players will get punished for cycinal tackles.
Keegan threw his man to the ground off the ball early on too, blatant black card.
Consistency has always been the problem with the black card.
Happens in every game where lads get black carded for an offence that other lads escape sanction for.
Quote from: JoG2 on September 18, 2016, 04:18:01 PM
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Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 18, 2016, 04:13:08 PM
Cillian O'Connor has gone missing.
Have you seen this poor rural boy?
Brogan, Connolly, Flynn might get a run out in the 2nd half
Connolly hit a peach of a pass for the second og.
1 pass in 38 mins.. I stand corrected
I doubt if that is all he did, but it was a rare moment of class and a key moment in the game.
On review of McCarthys black its looks like a yellow no black, funny they wouldn't review the other dodgy calls
Hard lines on McCarthy there for the black card. If anything O'Connor leant in with the shoulder and McCarthy just shoved him.
Quote from: galwayman on September 18, 2016, 04:16:03 PM
Mayo still have every chance
I wouldn't say that to be fair. They are still in the game but if they're plan is to try and win it by isolating AOS and/or Andy Moran in the full forward line and kick 1 in 5 balls into them then they'll need that tactic to be the most successful in the history of mankind.
In say that football is continuing down a worrying path. You could list out far more players who have done nothing in this game than you could say were playing well as we seem far more interested in cancelling players out rather than having your own players play to their ability. Keegan and Connelly could be in the Hogan watching the game for all either have done and that's not a good reflection of our game.
Cluxton is a complete liability.
Hang on great start from mayo. I thought they were gone to be honest!
O'Shea is a lucky boy.
he add on another 10yrs after the day
Fair play to Mayo.
Anyone else think Clarke is pretty poor in the goal, poor enough kick outs and very dodgy under high ball
I think subbing him would be a good move.
Macauley too.
Reds waiting to happen.
Quote from: Itchy on September 18, 2016, 04:33:53 PM
Fair play to Mayo.
Anyone else think Clarke is pretty poor in the goal, poor enough kick outs and very dodgy under high ball
Agree with that. I think he's been poor aside from 2 decent enough saves in the first half. There's more goals for Dublin.
Thought mannion would have been on for Rock.
Seamus o se has wasted 3 balls in the space of about 2 minutes that should have been mayo scores...
Seamy o'shea making a few mistakes here. Must be getting tired.
Ref losing it a bit.
Quote from: TabClear on September 18, 2016, 04:41:33 PM
Seamus o se has wasted 3 balls in the space of about 2 minutes that should have been mayo scores...
Sorry 4
Doherty having a great game.
Andy Moran greedy there shoulda had a goal
swing around foul on Moran there not blew either. very inconsistent game from the ref
Think mayo running out of steam here :(
Much better second half and Mayo pushing up more has yielded results. Still hard to see Mayo out score Dublin in a low scoring game but if they get a goal it might be enough as they have Dublin's number defensively.
Perfectly executed shoulder, not his fault Dub n7 wasn't looking
I remember when Paul Flynn used to be a good footballer,what the hell has happened to him
Dubs bench much better than mayos, will that be the difference?
Some bad wides from Dublin this half.
Boyle off isn't good for mayo.
I could see no more scores here.
I know Kilkenny fell down but you cant excately jump on top of him
Ah the tr**p at it again, what a w**ker, 2 slaps to the face
For a man lucky to stay out of prison, Connolly still very quick to raise his fists,
Keegan was hoping Connolly would belt him there I'd say.
Pick a motm? Nobody stood out.
Doherty been decent
Was McMahon asleep there? Just froze waiting for the ball to reach him.
Come on Mayo
Mayo corner back. When was last time brogan subbed?
Now or never for Mayo
Odds on no more scores.
Poor poor game
@WestwoodLee
What a game this Irish football is!!! Dublin v Mayo .
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Dublin didnt turn up the day and Mayo still cant win, they never had a better chance to win an all-ireland, must be a curse after all
We said it earlier about Clarke, his kick outs might just have cost Mayo
7 minutes added time!
Clear drag down from O'Connor there.
What was O`Shea thinking there??
Ref is useless.
Oshea what the hell was that!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 18, 2016, 05:01:25 PM
7 minutes added time!
New directive. Four mins alone for subs.
Oh my god o shea
Tight but very poor game of football reffed by a man more worried about not senting men off in an all-ireland than actually applying the rules to both teams.
Yeeessss!!!!
Fair fucks to O'Connor there
Ball was picked straight off the ground, should've been a free in to Mayo
Quote from: AQMP on September 18, 2016, 05:08:54 PM
O Connor shouldn't be on the pitch. Professional mouth too
Just thought that. Should have been black carded a few minutes earlier.
Well yes the ref should blacked him a few mins before
Can Dublin be as poor in the replay?
Mayo if they had a better full forward line would won this today
That was a nail biter, well done to Mayo to recover the game late on but it was poor game management by the Dubs in added time. I haven't seen Dublin play so poor for so much of a game.
Mcauley should have been black carded twice. Ref lost it.
Mayo unlikely to score two ogs again too.
Fair result mighty come back from Mayo
Dublin will not be like this the next day, against that Mayo not give away 2 own goals next day either.
Connolly silly to go for that point at the end.
Well done Mayo, even if O'Connor should not have been on the field.
Jesus.. Massive set of balls by Cillian O'Connor, what ye reckon SouthDublinBro :-)
Mayo deserved at least a draw. Will be another humdinger I hope. Slippery ball, alot of mistakes, a lot of ball turned over but damn exciting
Dublin made a right mess when they had a chance to finish it when they had a 3 on 2 in added time and somehow managed to end up with O'Gara taking a dribbler of a shot. Interplay between their forwards was not great today.
Quote from: galwayman on September 18, 2016, 05:12:45 PM
Connolly silly to go for that point at the end.
Connelly's good but still a level or two below Maurice Fitz.
QuoteWell done Mayo, even if O'Connor should not have been on the field.
Nor should Diarmuid Connolly
Mayo left it behind them.
there were probably 5 black card offences there which would been turfed out earlier in the championship,.i think that's what supporters get so annoyed with Refs, you don't know what you get from 1 day to the next as the refs don't apply the rules in the same way even when some calls are quite obvious but the ref either doesn't want to ruin a game or get the crowd on his back.
High drama at the end but the game was a poor error ridden one like the last two All Ireland finals. 16 years since a replay it was due. Why isn't the replay next weekend?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 18, 2016, 05:11:03 PM
Can Dublin be as poor in the replay?
They have been on the go at full throttle for a good while
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2016, 05:21:02 PM
there were probably 5 black card offences there which would been turfed out earlier in the championship,.i think that's what supporters get so annoyed with Refs, you don't know what you get from 1 day to the next as the refs don't apply the rules in the same way even when some calls are quite obvious but the ref either doesn't want to ruin a game or get the crowd on his back.
never mind from 1 game to the next, how about 1 minute to the next in a game.
They never get the tickets out in time
Awful awful stuff.
I know the conditions were tricky but that was one horrible stinker of a game. Lane's management of the game was utterly brutal - his approach to reffing the game was woeful and made a bad game worse.
A draw a fair result in that neither side deserved to win and truth be told both teams probably deserved to lose.
McCarthy going of for a black card when there were numerous other worse offences was a massive loss to Dublin. Andrews will start the next day ahead of McMenamin anyway...
Do think the wet conditions didn't help Dublin today. The amount of times their forwards slipped and lost possession was crazy. They couldn't really get any attacking fluency together. McManamon spent half the game on his backside sliding around before being taken off.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2016, 05:21:02 PM
there were probably 5 black card offences there which would been turfed out earlier in the championship,.i think that's what supporters get so annoyed with Refs, you don't know what you get from 1 day to the next as the refs don't apply the rules in the same way even when some calls are quite obvious but the ref either doesn't want to ruin a game or get the crowd on his back.
I think the ref stopped showing blacks. Must have been thinking about john gough in the 83 final and his reffing future!
While o'connor should have been black carded macauley should arguably have been off. He should have got a black for the sliding tackle on keegan. If it wasn't black it was a yellow then the yellow was a red.
he reffed Derry and Galway last year and was shocking, equally very poor in an ulster championship earlier this year too.
Why not give the best ref the final. Simple as.
Quote from: J70 on September 18, 2016, 05:12:55 PM
Well done Mayo, even if O'Connor should not have been on the field.
MCAuley should have been red carded. The bad calls evened themselves out
When's the replay?
Poor quality game but very exciting. Couple of initial thoughts are McAuley got away with an extremely dangerous neck pull down. Knew what he was doing too. Clear pick up off the ground by dub defender after the equaliser. Black cards should be dispensed with, the inconsistencies are ridiculous at this stage.
Last replay in 2000 Galway v Kerry was played on a Saturday as were the hurling replays of 2013 & 2014.
Thought the referee did alright, the way some of you lads are going on the game will be non-contact soon enough.
Mightily impressed with Mayo's heart and they deserved their draw. Those of you questioning whether Dublin will be as bad again are failing to give Mayo due credit for what they can do against them. Dublin could struggle just as much the next day because Mayo match up well with Dublin. However, I still fear for Mayo as Dublin are unlikely to be as poor in front on the posts again and Mayo don't have the forwards to get it done against the best. You can't help but like this Mayo team though, they are a brilliant bunch of players who deserve all the support they get.
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 18, 2016, 05:39:19 PM
Poor quality game but very exciting. Couple of initial thoughts are McAuley got away with an extremely dangerous neck pull down. Knew what he was doing too. Clear pick up off the ground by dub defender after the equaliser. Black cards should be dispensed with, the inconsistencies are ridiculous at this stage.
On the MacAuley one, Cillian O'Connor was once again leading into a player with his shoulder, it was about the third time he had done this in the game and is an equally dangerous offence.
There's way too much focus on the ref's actions in that game, overall his influence was minimal. Imo the game happened and the ref did his job. It's not his fault that the line between yellow and black is blurred and decisions taken are open to be contradicted later in the game.
To the letter of the law, he would have been dealing cards for 75 minutes. He did well letting the game flow as much as possible. The tissue of mistakes by both teams, Mayo heart and the wet weather ruled that game, for the most part both teams played the game sportingly, within the boundaries.
You would have said less on the ref if he hadn't black carded mccarthy though. He didn't implement the black card rule well at all. Agree though i don't think he influenced iutcome of game.
Mayo were defensively superb and i thought doherty and moran excellent too.
Dub forwards 2 points from play.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 05:41:44 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 18, 2016, 05:39:19 PM
Poor quality game but very exciting. Couple of initial thoughts are McAuley got away with an extremely dangerous neck pull down. Knew what he was doing too. Clear pick up off the ground by dub defender after the equaliser. Black cards should be dispensed with, the inconsistencies are ridiculous at this stage.
On the MacAuley one, Cillian O'Connor was once again leading into a player with his shoulder, it was about the third time he had done this in the game and is an equally dangerous offence.
There is a lot to like about o'connors play but off the ball him, donaghy and michael murphy are th three dirtiest forwards in the game.
Connolly up there too mind you.
Dublin really were poor today. Barely worth their salaries paid month off work to prepare.
I saw Eoghan O'Gara revert to the "footballer" he never was. Lad has no ability to keep his head whatsoever.
Brutal match except for the last ten. McAuley was f**king dreadful and must be the worst footballer to ever be crowned footballer of the year.
Jim Gavin gave a very honest appraisal of his teams performance. Mayo will have to be at least 20 percent better the next day IMO. Great display from Mayo just hope that Sam crosses the Shannon.
Missed the game due to a funeral. Anyone know where I could pick up a torrent of it. Can't get RTE in the house at the minute.
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 05:50:06 PM
I saw Eoghan O'Gara revert to the "footballer" he never was. Lad has no ability to keep his head whatsoever.
Brutal match except for the last ten. McAuley was f**king dreadful and must be the worst footballer to ever be crowned footballer of the year.
He hardly ever seems to kick the ball (McAuley)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 18, 2016, 05:21:11 PM
High drama at the end but the game was a poor error ridden one like the last two All Ireland finals. 16 years since a replay it was due. Why isn't the replay next weekend?
Ladies play next weekend
Quote from: David McKeown on September 18, 2016, 05:54:11 PM
Missed the game due to a funeral. Anyone know where I could pick up a torrent of it. Can't get RTE in the house at the minute.
Rte player is the obvious choice, it should be up there soon on the "latest" list.
The game was shown live on rte player, open source, no geo block whatsoever and in top quality.
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 18, 2016, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 18, 2016, 05:01:25 PM
7 minutes added time!
New directive. Four mins alone for subs.
Possibly for the time it takes Dean Rock to hit every free?
Tg4 showing it at 7.15 this evening i think
Quote from: Minder on September 18, 2016, 05:55:57 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 05:50:06 PM
I saw Eoghan O'Gara revert to the "footballer" he never was. Lad has no ability to keep his head whatsoever.
Brutal match except for the last ten. McAuley was f**king dreadful and must be the worst footballer to ever be crowned footballer of the year.
He hardly ever seems to kick the ball (McAuley)
Have you ever seen him kick a ball? It's like he has never been taught how to kick a ball. Brutal technique. Finds himself in great scoring position but doesn't have the necessary skills to execute a shot. Fenton a much more natural footballer.
Quote from: Minder on September 18, 2016, 05:55:57 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 05:50:06 PM
I saw Eoghan O'Gara revert to the "footballer" he never was. Lad has no ability to keep his head whatsoever.
Brutal match except for the last ten. McAuley was f**king dreadful and must be the worst footballer to ever be crowned footballer of the year.
He hardly ever seems to kick the ball (McAuley)
Because he's terrible at it. He's a superb athlete but he's no f**king footballer.
Can't believe O'Connor had the stones to finish that. Normally a sneaky wee coward who contributes shag all from play.
Mixed emotions after that. The element of surprise has gone. The hype machine cogs will start to turn again. Plus for working people with a family, this replay puts time and financial strains.'
In the normal course of events you'd say that the favorites having played badly would be much better the next day out and win the replay. But while you'd expect the Dubs to be better, what Mayo face prices is that they're well able for them. What Mayo also need is Aidan o Shea to get his finger out . He was very poor today. If he plays well then there's enough there to suggest an historic win .
Quote from: skeog on September 18, 2016, 05:53:38 PM
Jim Gavin gave a very honest appraisal of his teams performance. Mayo will have to be at least 20 percent better the next day IMO. Great display from Mayo just hope that Sam crosses the Shannon.
Mayo had the hunger and hit hard and often, they seemed to panic too often and not recycle the ball. Today's game will stand to them and I can see another very tight affair in 2 weeks. On the other hand, surely Brogan, McManamon, Connolly cannot be as poor.
Paul Flynn, serious footballer in his day, but he has lead a charmed life the last couple of seasons
I'm I the only who thinks Kilkenny is more a hindrance to the Dubs by hanging between his own 65 and 20m lines? A million and one lateral passes going nowhere and slowing their attacks down something shocking. Surely they have enough footballing half backs who can play the ball out and allow Kilkenny to cause damage higher up the pitch?
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:03:06 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 18, 2016, 05:55:57 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 05:50:06 PM
I saw Eoghan O'Gara revert to the "footballer" he never was. Lad has no ability to keep his head whatsoever.
Brutal match except for the last ten. McAuley was f**king dreadful and must be the worst footballer to ever be crowned footballer of the year.
He hardly ever seems to kick the ball (McAuley)
Because he's terrible at it. He's a superb athlete but he's no f**king footballer.
Can't believe O'Connor had the stones to finish that. Normally a sneaky wee coward who contributes shag all from play.
Poor comment, don't think COC deserves that at all. He isn't a top quality forward but he is no coward either. A brave but somewhat limited IC forward.
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 05:50:06 PM
I saw Eoghan O'Gara revert to the "footballer" he never was. Lad has no ability to keep his head whatsoever.
Brutal match except for the last ten. McAuley was f**king dreadful and must be the worst footballer to ever be crowned footballer of the year.
Plus 1 to all that. Would add that Dublin were utter muck today. Mayo were by far the better side, those 2 goals will haunt Mayo forever. Don't think Dublin can be as bad in the replay. Bad luck cost Mayo an All Ireland.
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
Are all Marty M's shirts missing the top 3 buttons?
I liked his pink today.
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
Wtf cowards don't kick equalisers in an all Ireland final with basically the kick of the game.
Pat Spillane: "Down through the years people called them chokers, mentally frail. They're not that any more. They won the second half 10 to 5. But you don't prove the critics wrong in a drawn All-Ireland. The Dubs were there for the taking."
Joe Brolly: "Mayo should be seething with disappointment. Five points down after that atrocious bad luck and I thought they would go on and win it at one stage. But the job is only half-done. Push on now."
Colm O'Rourke: "Anybody that could ever talk about Mayo's heart for a battle, they silenced all critics today. The danger is that Mayo could lose the run of themselves after a draw. Dublin will go away and analyse this now. They'll be a different team in the replay."
Quote from: clarshack on September 18, 2016, 06:25:25 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
Wtf cowards don't kick equalisers in an all Ireland final with basically the kick of the game.
Hence my surprise.
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
He tried to throw the shoulder in. Wow.
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 18, 2016, 06:26:52 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
He tried to throw the shoulder in. Wow.
Maybe you're not able to read between the lines. He tried to take McAuley out rather than playing the ball and in doing so, got hit himself.
O'Connor has the heart of a truly great player, same as Michael Murphy and Conor McManus. Not as good ability wise but he's hit massive scores in huge games before. If Aidan O'Shea was made of the same stuff Mayo would be flying.
McCauley.. It's an inexcusable travesty that he was player of the year. Did enough today to leave from the field 3 times.
O'Shea was brutal. That effort he went for from the 45 smacked of playing hero ball.
I assume replay will be at 5pm
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:29:07 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 18, 2016, 06:26:52 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
He tried to throw the shoulder in. Wow.
Maybe you're not able to read between the lines. He tried to take McAuley out rather than playing the ball and in doing so, got hit himself.
Disagree on pretty much everything you've said there. I'll have to watch it again but I'd say you are wrong there.
Quote from: Nigel White on September 18, 2016, 06:37:36 PM
I assume replay will be at 5pm
I think that's been confirmed now.
Quote from: Zulu on September 18, 2016, 06:39:26 PM
Disagree on pretty much everything you've said there. I'll have to watch it again but I'd say you are wrong there.
Fair enough. Only my opinion.
Nearly every time either O'Shea got the ball in the 2nd half I was out of my chair roaring at the telly in frustration.
Seamie's willingness to hand hard-won possession back to the Dubs nearly lost Mayo the game.
As usual, when Aidan gets the ball the first thing he looks for is contact, not the simple lay-off to a runner.
Honestly, Mayo would have been better off without either of them today.
Where do you play Aidan O'Shea to get the best out of him? Seems to be no manager has come up with a solution. Brolly was right in what he said at the end that AOS had it in his hands to be the man to drag Mayo over the line in the last 10mins and just didn't grasp it the chance.
Quote from: square_ball on September 18, 2016, 07:04:49 PM
Where do you play Aidan O'Shea to get the best out of him? Seems to be no manager has come up with a solution. Brolly was right in what he said at the end that AOS had it in his hands to be the man to drag Mayo over the line in the last 10mins and just didn't grasp it the chance.
Best I have seen of him is FF but Mayo maybe need him out field.
At half time I decided to accept that this was an utterly ridiculous match where quality and common sense was in short supply and just enjoy the occasion. As such, I must say I thoroughly enjoyed the second half. We get too bogged down by quality etc and forget that we have one of the worlds great spectacles when two teams go hammer and tongs at each other. It was edge of the seat stuff with mistakes aplenty but also masses of heart and fight. My respect for this mayo team has grown immensely this season and to overcome the ridiculousness of two own goals and pull that game around is very commendable indeed. I can't wait for the replay!
Quote from: square_ball on September 18, 2016, 07:04:49 PM
Where do you play Aidan O'Shea to get the best out of him? Seems to be no manager has come up with a solution. Brolly was right in what he said at the end that AOS had it in his hands to be the man to drag Mayo over the line in the last 10mins and just didn't grasp it the chance.
Personally I would keep him on the edge of the square.. He won enough ball going in the first half but no one to offload too. Had the conditions not been so poor he could have made a good charge at the goals. Today was definitely not the day to be carrying the ball into contact.. Both teams were at it hence the extremely high number of turnovers.
Again, like last year, the weather had a massive negative effect on the standard of play.
When the ball is like a bar of soap and you are struggling to keep your feet you're going to focus on retaining possession and keeping it simple.
During one passage of play in the 1st half, Diarmuid Connolly (who's probably one of the best balanced footballers around) fell on his arse 3 times before he picked the ball up.
If it's a dry day for the replay it'll be light years ahead in terms of quality.
Quote from: GJL on September 18, 2016, 07:07:15 PM
Quote from: square_ball on September 18, 2016, 07:04:49 PM
Where do you play Aidan O'Shea to get the best out of him? Seems to be no manager has come up with a solution. Brolly was right in what he said at the end that AOS had it in his hands to be the man to drag Mayo over the line in the last 10mins and just didn't grasp it the chance.
Best I have seen of him is FF but Mayo maybe need him out field.
He absolutely cleaned a powerful Donegal midfield out of it a few years back, definitely his best match at CP. It's the fact that Mayo are just that bit light up front and O'Shea is capable of playing well in both those areas of the pitch. Up front he'll take two Dublin forwards with him, leaving space for AM. Moran was v good again today, rarely loses possession and usually gives the correct pass
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 18, 2016, 07:08:24 PM
At half time I decided to accept that this was an utterly ridiculous match where quality and common sense was in short supply and just enjoy the occasion. As such, I must say I thoroughly enjoyed the second half. We get too bogged down by quality etc and forget that we have one of the worlds great spectacles when two teams go hammer and tongs at each other. It was edge of the seat stuff with mistakes aplenty but also masses of heart and fight. My respect for this mayo team has grown immensely this season and to overcome the ridiculousness of two own goals and pull that game around is very commendable indeed. I can't wait for the replay!
Correct. It was thoroughly enjoyable and very exciting. There were plenty of mistakes but the vast majority were forced errors through good physical tackling. The ref let both sides away with a lot. The black card was ridiculous but Andrews coming on really helped them at least initially.
Quote from: square_ball on September 18, 2016, 07:04:49 PM
Where do you play Aidan O'Shea to get the best out of him? Seems to be no manager has come up with a solution. Brolly was right in what he said at the end that AOS had it in his hands to be the man to drag Mayo over the line in the last 10mins and just didn't grasp it the chance.
The first 3 or 4 long balls into him he was completely mauled and didn't get a free. The next ball comes in he gives cooper a slight nudge and it's immediately a free out. He simply doesn't get the frees he deserves because of his size which isn't fair.
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
He led with his shoulder into lads from the front multiple times today. One thing Mayo get away with consistently is the complete inability or refusal to try and tackle the ball in the opposition's half. The amount of fouls the likes of the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Doherty and McLoughlin get away with is criminal. They just tot them up all game long without the referees doing anything about it.
I don't like O'Connor, good score at the end and showed guts to take it but he was fairly poor overall as he tends to be. He is always up at the referee yapping and trying to exaggerate things to get players sent off. He actually was pulling at the referee's arms and shoulders after Regan's dirty hit on McMahon late on.
Mayo should have won that, dominated the game from start to finish and had some real unfortunate things go against them but you simply must be winning those type of games when they are presented. Felt they may have missed their chance but they have shown once again they have the measure of Dublin if they can only get their heads right then it is there for them. Hard to see Dublin being as bad again the next day though.
Point is alot of the decisions were not blurred, MacAuley trip a def Black not anything else, same as Connolly and O`Connor take downs, its not open to interpretation, apply the rules as it pisses the life out of em teams get nailed all year with the rules up to the last 8 then the rules somehow change all of a sudden
Gut wrenching watching Mayo today knowing that it should have been us out there today. Pity as Sam would have been heading north tomorrow
In real time, I thought the MacAuley incident was a hand-trip and a definite black card.
The replay however would suggest that contact was up around the thigh/hip and not the lower leg/ankle so therefore not a trip for me.
kilkenny and Flynn need to stay up , good going forwards but aint cutting it going back, they mark space nothing more
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
He led with his shoulder into lads from the front multiple times today. One thing Mayo get away with consistently is the complete inability or refusal to try and tackle the ball in the opposition's half. The amount of fouls the likes of the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Doherty and McLoughlin get away with is criminal. They just tot them up all game long without the referees doing anything about it.
I don't like O'Connor, good score at the end and showed guts to take it but he was fairly poor overall as he tends to be. He is always up at the referee yapping and trying to exaggerate things to get players sent off. He actually was pulling at the referee's arms and shoulders after Regan's dirty hit on McMahon late on.
Mayo should have won that, dominated the game from start to finish and had some real unfortunate things go against them but you simply must be winning those type of games when they are presented. Felt they may have missed their chance but they have shown once again they have the measure of Dublin if they can only get their heads right then it is there for them. Hard to see Dublin being as bad again the next day though.
Dublin certainly won't be as bad but Mayo have room for improvement also. They have improved steadily as the season has gone on. They were extremely average against Fermanagh and Tyrone, improved slightly v Tipp and took it up another level today. They made a lot of the Dublin players look ordinary. It was not a day for forwards though as seen in the minor game also. Kerry minors had scored 25+ times in each of their last 2 games but really struggled to get scores in the conditions today.
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Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
He led with his shoulder into lads from the front multiple times today. One thing Mayo get away with consistently is the complete inability or refusal to try and tackle the ball in the opposition's half. The amount of fouls the likes of the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Doherty and McLoughlin get away with is criminal. They just tot them up all game long without the referees doing anything about it.
I don't like O'Connor, good score at the end and showed guts to take it but he was fairly poor overall as he tends to be. He is always up at the referee yapping and trying to exaggerate things to get players sent off. He actually was pulling at the referee's arms and shoulders after Regan's dirty hit on McMahon late on.
Mayo should have won that, dominated the game from start to finish and had some real unfortunate things go against them but you simply must be winning those type of games when they are presented. Felt they may have missed their chance but they have shown once again they have the measure of Dublin if they can only get their heads right then it is there for them. Hard to see Dublin being as bad again the next day though.
Imagine if they were from Tyrone?
Quote from: redzone on September 18, 2016, 07:36:55 PM
Gut wrenching watching Mayo today knowing that it should have been us out there today. Pity as Sam would have been heading north tomorrow
If you'd got your tactics right and not been so defensive you probably would've been there today. Not sure you would've been capable of putting it up to the Dubs like Mayo did.
As a neutral I have to say Mayo really do bring something brilliant to Croke Park. They were some craic outside and literally on their knees inside in the last couple of minutes. If they win Sam Maguire I honestly think it will be the greatest GAA moment in our lifetime. But by God they put their fans through the ringer.
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Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
He led with his shoulder into lads from the front multiple times today. One thing Mayo get away with consistently is the complete inability or refusal to try and tackle the ball in the opposition's half. The amount of fouls the likes of the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Doherty and McLoughlin get away with is criminal. They just tot them up all game long without the referees doing anything about it.
I don't like O'Connor, good score at the end and showed guts to take it but he was fairly poor overall as he tends to be. He is always up at the referee yapping and trying to exaggerate things to get players sent off. He actually was pulling at the referee's arms and shoulders after Regan's dirty hit on McMahon late on.
Mayo should have won that, dominated the game from start to finish and had some real unfortunate things go against them but you simply must be winning those type of games when they are presented. Felt they may have missed their chance but they have shown once again they have the measure of Dublin if they can only get their heads right then it is there for them. Hard to see Dublin being as bad again the next day though.
Dublin certainly won't be as bad but Mayo have room for improvement also. They have improved steadily as the season has gone on. They were extremely average against Fermanagh and Tyrone, improved slightly v Tipp and took it up another level today. They made a lot of the Dublin players look ordinary. It was not a day for forwards though as seen in the minor game also. Kerry minors had scored 25+ times in each of their last 2 games but really struggled to get scores in the conditions today.
That was their best performance of the season.
They played a lot better against us than they did in the semi-final against Tipp. Mayo can improve but you'd expect Dublin have much more room to improve and you really need to be taking those type of opportunities when they come along.
Hard to know about Dublin. Should we read into that performance too much and are they beginning to wane? Flynn and Brogan look done and Dublin seem to be carrying both at the minute. Conditions were a big factor and were a bigger benefit to Mayo, IMO. Dublin have forwards who like to take their men on and change direction but the likes of Connolly and McManamon kept losing their feet today.
Mannion & Andrews will probably start the next day.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
He led with his shoulder into lads from the front multiple times today. One thing Mayo get away with consistently is the complete inability or refusal to try and tackle the ball in the opposition's half. The amount of fouls the likes of the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Doherty and McLoughlin get away with is criminal. They just tot them up all game long without the referees doing anything about it.
I don't like O'Connor, good score at the end and showed guts to take it but he was fairly poor overall as he tends to be. He is always up at the referee yapping and trying to exaggerate things to get players sent off. He actually was pulling at the referee's arms and shoulders after Regan's dirty hit on McMahon late on.
Mayo should have won that, dominated the game from start to finish and had some real unfortunate things go against them but you simply must be winning those type of games when they are presented. Felt they may have missed their chance but they have shown once again they have the measure of Dublin if they can only get their heads right then it is there for them. Hard to see Dublin being as bad again the next day though.
Imagine if they were from Tyrone?
Regan's hit wasn't dirty. He went for the ball. It actually ended up a bad enough clash of heads. (It was Bastick). mcLoughlin rarely fouls too and Doherty not too much. O'Shea and O'Connor do though.
I would move Aidan to midfield and maybe drop Seamus. Aidan o'Shea is in danger of being the boy who cried wolf after his fermanagh dive this year. He probably should have got a few more fouls today but I think he is wasted in FF. Occasionally to mix it up maybe but not half the game.
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2016, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
He led with his shoulder into lads from the front multiple times today. One thing Mayo get away with consistently is the complete inability or refusal to try and tackle the ball in the opposition's half. The amount of fouls the likes of the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Doherty and McLoughlin get away with is criminal. They just tot them up all game long without the referees doing anything about it.
I don't like O'Connor, good score at the end and showed guts to take it but he was fairly poor overall as he tends to be. He is always up at the referee yapping and trying to exaggerate things to get players sent off. He actually was pulling at the referee's arms and shoulders after Regan's dirty hit on McMahon late on.
Mayo should have won that, dominated the game from start to finish and had some real unfortunate things go against them but you simply must be winning those type of games when they are presented. Felt they may have missed their chance but they have shown once again they have the measure of Dublin if they can only get their heads right then it is there for them. Hard to see Dublin being as bad again the next day though.
Imagine if they were from Tyrone?
Regan's hit wasn't dirty. He went for the ball. It actually ended up a bad enough clash of heads. (It was Bastick). mcLoughlin rarely fouls too and Doherty not too much. O'Shea and O'Connor do though.
I would move Aidan to midfield and maybe drop Seamus. Aidan o'Shea is in danger of being the boy who cried wolf after his fermanagh dive this year. He probably should have got a few more fouls today but I think he is wasted in FF. Occasionally to mix it up maybe but not half the game.
Turning your shoulder into the front of a player who is carrying the ball is not going for the ball, it's a dirty hit.
dubs caught in their own hype about forward play from the last game.
dubs smaller and we're second best today on a wet ball and pitch
dublin manager tactically caught out today. Dean rock should have been replaced after 10 mins as he obv wasn't up to it and almost cost dublin the game
whoever coached dublin forwards needs replaced as they were anonymous and made feck all runs to offer themselves to colleagues with possession out the field
ref was to be honest poor enough and dublin had shouts for freed ignored while similar mayo situations were blown. same for black/yellow cards.
Rochford proved he was tactically head and shoulders above dublin mgt. two own goals cost his side the all Ireland.
Dean rock and brogan will be lucky to start next day.
a dry day and impartial ref will help dublin. but suspect Rochford will outwit them again next day.
Greg Maher RIP
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
He led with his shoulder into lads from the front multiple times today. One thing Mayo get away with consistently is the complete inability or refusal to try and tackle the ball in the opposition's half. The amount of fouls the likes of the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Doherty and McLoughlin get away with is criminal. They just tot them up all game long without the referees doing anything about it.
I don't like O'Connor, good score at the end and showed guts to take it but he was fairly poor overall as he tends to be. He is always up at the referee yapping and trying to exaggerate things to get players sent off. He actually was pulling at the referee's arms and shoulders after Regan's dirty hit on McMahon late on.
Mayo should have won that, dominated the game from start to finish and had some real unfortunate things go against them but you simply must be winning those type of games when they are presented. Felt they may have missed their chance but they have shown once again they have the measure of Dublin if they can only get their heads right then it is there for them. Hard to see Dublin being as bad again the next day though.
Imagine if they were from Tyrone?
Regan's hit wasn't dirty. He went for the ball. It actually ended up a bad enough clash of heads. (It was Bastick). mcLoughlin rarely fouls too and Doherty not too much. O'Shea and O'Connor do though.
I would move Aidan to midfield and maybe drop Seamus. Aidan o'Shea is in danger of being the boy who cried wolf after his fermanagh dive this year. He probably should have got a few more fouls today but I think he is wasted in FF. Occasionally to mix it up maybe but not half the game.
Turning your shoulder into the front of a player who is carrying the ball is not going for the ball, it's a dirty hit.
That wasn't a dirty hit.
Impartial ref... sure macauley should have been off. Yeah so should O'Connor but if he wasn't impartial macauley would have gone!! He wasn't great but he was certainly impartial. For every free dublin could have had aidan o'shea could have had one
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 18, 2016, 07:58:11 PM
dubs caught in their own hype about forward play from the last game.
dubs smaller and we're second best today on a wet ball and pitch
dublin manager tactically caught out today. Dean rock should have been replaced after 10 mins as he obv wasn't up to it and almost cost dublin the game
whoever coached dublin forwards needs replaced as they were anonymous and made feck all runs to offer themselves to colleagues with possession out the field
ref was to be honest poor enough and dublin had shouts for freed ignored while similar mayo situations were blown. same for black/yellow cards.
Rochford proved he was tactically head and shoulders above dublin mgt. two own goals cost his side the all Ireland.
Dean rock and brogan will be lucky to start next day.
a dry day and impartial ref will help dublin. but suspect Rochford will outwit them again next day.
Greg Maher RIP
Dublin were laid back as were the fans going in to the ground
They will kick on now
Strangely enjoyable game despite the poor quality - particularly in the second half. For me Mayo should have been further in front before the comedy sketch began as they missed a serious amount of chances, with the last pass either being a poor one or the correct pass not spotted. Seamus O'Shea gives away a savage amount of ball in big games, and Kevin McLoughlin the same type of frustrating head-down type of player. Lee Keegan didn't get into the game in attacking sense and Mayo were the poorer for it. Aidan O'Shea continues to abandon Mayo in the big games, and his effort st the end was shocking.
Dubs were poor and can't see them being as bad again. None of the forwards got into the game - a credit to the Mayo defence and the pressure being put on out the field. Would love to see them start Connolly in midfield, and drop McAuley for Andrews in the replay. Would be tough to scapegoat McManamin on today's performance where nothing clicked.
I'm no psychologist but there is a big mental gap between not knowing when you are beaten, and knowing when you can win. Unfortunately Mayo continue to fall into the former, and for that reason I fancy Dublin in the replay.
Quote from: Erne Man on September 18, 2016, 08:14:32 PM
Strangely enjoyable game despite the poor quality - particularly in the second half. For me Mayo should have been further in front before the comedy sketch began as they missed a serious amount of chances, with the last pass either being a poor one or the correct pass not spotted. Seamus O'Shea gives away a savage amount of ball in big games, and Kevin McLoughlin the same type of frustrating head-down type of player. Lee Keegan didn't get into the game in attacking sense and Mayo were the poorer for it. Aidan O'Shea continues to abandon Mayo in the big games, and his effort st the end was shocking.
Dubs were poor and can't see them being as bad again. None of the forwards got into the game - a credit to the Mayo defence and the pressure being put on out the field. Would love to see them start Connolly in midfield, and drop McAuley for Andrews in the replay. Would be tough to scapegoat McManamin on today's performance where nothing clicked.
I'm no psychologist but there is a big mental gap between not knowing when you are beaten, and knowing when you can win. Unfortunately Mayo continue to fall into the former, and for that reason I fancy Dublin in the replay.
He had arguably the best player in the country in his back pocket and started off countless attacks... Not a bad days work!
All of the pundits I read this weekend were sure the Dubs would win. I can't remember which one mentioned all the players the team lost - including McCaffrey and O'Carroll - and what a sign of a great team it was that they did so well without them. But maybe they don't.
Flip I enjoyed every second of that. Mayo kept Dublin scoreless from play for the first 33 mins. Heart breaking it meant nothing.
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2016, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
He led with his shoulder into lads from the front multiple times today. One thing Mayo get away with consistently is the complete inability or refusal to try and tackle the ball in the opposition's half. The amount of fouls the likes of the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Doherty and McLoughlin get away with is criminal. They just tot them up all game long without the referees doing anything about it.
I don't like O'Connor, good score at the end and showed guts to take it but he was fairly poor overall as he tends to be. He is always up at the referee yapping and trying to exaggerate things to get players sent off. He actually was pulling at the referee's arms and shoulders after Regan's dirty hit on McMahon late on.
Mayo should have won that, dominated the game from start to finish and had some real unfortunate things go against them but you simply must be winning those type of games when they are presented. Felt they may have missed their chance but they have shown once again they have the measure of Dublin if they can only get their heads right then it is there for them. Hard to see Dublin being as bad again the next day though.
Imagine if they were from Tyrone?
Regan's hit wasn't dirty. He went for the ball. It actually ended up a bad enough clash of heads. (It was Bastick). mcLoughlin rarely fouls too and Doherty not too much. O'Shea and O'Connor do though.
I would move Aidan to midfield and maybe drop Seamus. Aidan o'Shea is in danger of being the boy who cried wolf after his fermanagh dive this year. He probably should have got a few more fouls today but I think he is wasted in FF. Occasionally to mix it up maybe but not half the game.
Turning your shoulder into the front of a player who is carrying the ball is not going for the ball, it's a dirty hit.
That wasn't a dirty hit.
Impartial ref... sure macauley should have been off. Yeah so should O'Connor but if he wasn't impartial macauley would have gone!! He wasn't great but he was certainly impartial. For every free dublin could have had aidan o'shea could have had one
Turning your shoulder into a guy is the definition of a dirty hit and is extremely dangerous.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 18, 2016, 07:58:11 PM
dubs caught in their own hype about forward play from the last game.
dubs smaller and we're second best today on a wet ball and pitch
dublin manager tactically caught out today. Dean rock should have been replaced after 10 mins as he obv wasn't up to it and almost cost dublin the game
whoever coached dublin forwards needs replaced as they were anonymous and made feck all runs to offer themselves to colleagues with possession out the field
ref was to be honest poor enough and dublin had shouts for freed ignored while similar mayo situations were blown. same for black/yellow cards.
Rochford proved he was tactically head and shoulders above dublin mgt. two own goals cost his side the all Ireland.
Dean rock and brogan will be lucky to start next day.
a dry day and impartial ref will help dublin. but suspect Rochford will outwit them again next day.
Greg Maher RIP
Rochford is good
2 points from 6 forwards from open play is dreadful
Rochford knows that frees win games.
Crossmaglens mcentee coaching mayo how to win frees and be cynical. They needed that.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
He led with his shoulder into lads from the front multiple times today. One thing Mayo get away with consistently is the complete inability or refusal to try and tackle the ball in the opposition's half. The amount of fouls the likes of the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Doherty and McLoughlin get away with is criminal. They just tot them up all game long without the referees doing anything about it.
I don't like O'Connor, good score at the end and showed guts to take it but he was fairly poor overall as he tends to be. He is always up at the referee yapping and trying to exaggerate things to get players sent off. He actually was pulling at the referee's arms and shoulders after Regan's dirty hit on McMahon late on.
Mayo should have won that, dominated the game from start to finish and had some real unfortunate things go against them but you simply must be winning those type of games when they are presented. Felt they may have missed their chance but they have shown once again they have the measure of Dublin if they can only get their heads right then it is there for them. Hard to see Dublin being as bad again the next day though.
Imagine if they were from Tyrone?
Regan's hit wasn't dirty. He went for the ball. It actually ended up a bad enough clash of heads. (It was Bastick). mcLoughlin rarely fouls too and Doherty not too much. O'Shea and O'Connor do though.
I would move Aidan to midfield and maybe drop Seamus. Aidan o'Shea is in danger of being the boy who cried wolf after his fermanagh dive this year. He probably should have got a few more fouls today but I think he is wasted in FF. Occasionally to mix it up maybe but not half the game.
Turning your shoulder into the front of a player who is carrying the ball is not going for the ball, it's a dirty hit.
That wasn't a dirty hit.
Impartial ref... sure macauley should have been off. Yeah so should O'Connor but if he wasn't impartial macauley would have gone!! He wasn't great but he was certainly impartial. For every free dublin could have had aidan o'shea could have had one
Turning your shoulder into a guy is the definition of a dirty hit and is extremely dangerous.
Just watched it there on tg4 no way was that a dirty hit.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 18, 2016, 08:43:39 PM
Rochford knows that frees win games.
Crossmaglens mcentee coaching mayo how to win frees and be cynical. They needed that.
In fairness Buckley already had that coached into Mayo before Mcentee arrived.
Just watched it again. That was a clear lift off the ground right at the death. Take a brave ref to give that one though
Quote from: An Watcher on September 18, 2016, 08:51:15 PM
Just watched it again. That was a clear lift off the ground right at the death. Take a brave ref to give that one though
Thought that at the time and was wondering if he was waiting for things to settle down before awarding that decision.
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Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
He led with his shoulder into lads from the front multiple times today. One thing Mayo get away with consistently is the complete inability or refusal to try and tackle the ball in the opposition's half. The amount of fouls the likes of the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Doherty and McLoughlin get away with is criminal. They just tot them up all game long without the referees doing anything about it.
I don't like O'Connor, good score at the end and showed guts to take it but he was fairly poor overall as he tends to be. He is always up at the referee yapping and trying to exaggerate things to get players sent off. He actually was pulling at the referee's arms and shoulders after Regan's dirty hit on McMahon late on.
Mayo should have won that, dominated the game from start to finish and had some real unfortunate things go against them but you simply must be winning those type of games when they are presented. Felt they may have missed their chance but they have shown once again they have the measure of Dublin if they can only get their heads right then it is there for them. Hard to see Dublin being as bad again the next day though.
Imagine if they were from Tyrone?
Regan's hit wasn't dirty. He went for the ball. It actually ended up a bad enough clash of heads. (It was Bastick). mcLoughlin rarely fouls too and Doherty not too much. O'Shea and O'Connor do though.
I would move Aidan to midfield and maybe drop Seamus. Aidan o'Shea is in danger of being the boy who cried wolf after his fermanagh dive this year. He probably should have got a few more fouls today but I think he is wasted in FF. Occasionally to mix it up maybe but not half the game.
Turning your shoulder into the front of a player who is carrying the ball is not going for the ball, it's a dirty hit.
That wasn't a dirty hit.
Impartial ref... sure macauley should have been off. Yeah so should O'Connor but if he wasn't impartial macauley would have gone!! He wasn't great but he was certainly impartial. For every free dublin could have had aidan o'shea could have had one
Turning your shoulder into a guy is the definition of a dirty hit and is extremely dangerous.
Just watched it there on tg4 no way was that a dirty hit.
Exactly. Not even close.
Mayo corner back for mom?
John Small was MOTM for me.
Quote from: ONeill on September 18, 2016, 08:36:49 PM
Flip I enjoyed every second of that. Mayo kept Dublin scoreless from play for the first 33 mins. Heart breaking it meant nothing.
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We'd two goals from play. Did you not see that?
Thought Jason Doherty had a very good game.
By the way, it was admirable the way Dublin refused to 'ice' the clock.
All they had to do was go back into their own half and probe up and down either wing to run out the time.
They stuck to their principles and only for Connolly taking the crazy decision to shoot from the sideline, they would have prevailed.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2016, 09:37:28 PM
By the way, it was admirable the way Dublin refused to 'ice' the clock.
All they had to do was go back into their own half and probe up and down either wing to run out the time.
They stuck to their principles and only for Connolly taking the crazy decision to shoot from the sideline, they would have prevailed.
Admirable me bollix. Cost us the match. You could see too that Kilkenny wanted to do the sensible thing, until Connolly grabbed the ball off him.
Quote from: seafoid on September 18, 2016, 08:34:37 PM
All of the pundits I read this weekend were sure the Dubs would win. I can't remember which one mentioned all the players the team lost - including McCaffrey and O'Carroll - and what a sign of a great team it was that they did so well without them. But maybe they don't.
No one won (or lost) anything today.
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2016, 09:37:28 PM
By the way, it was admirable the way Dublin refused to 'ice' the clock.
All they had to do was go back into their own half and probe up and down either wing to run out the time.
They stuck to their principles and only for Connolly taking the crazy decision to shoot from the sideline, they would have prevailed.
Admirable me bollix. Cost us the match. You could see too that Kilkenny wanted to do the sensible thing, until Connolly grabbed the ball off him.
That incident cost you the match? 2 own goals aside, not a score from a Dublin hand or foot for nearly the entire first half more than likely nearly cost you the match, no?
Oh, and Connolly thought yer man was a Kilkenny impersonator as he thought there was no way the real Kilkenny was that far up the pitch
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2016, 09:37:28 PM
By the way, it was admirable the way Dublin refused to 'ice' the clock.
All they had to do was go back into their own half and probe up and down either wing to run out the time.
They stuck to their principles and only for Connolly taking the crazy decision to shoot from the sideline, they would have prevailed.
Admirable me bollix. Cost us the match. You could see too that Kilkenny wanted to do the sensible thing, until Connolly grabbed the ball off him.
That incident cost you the match? 2 own goals aside, not a score from a Dublin hand or foot for nearly the entire first half more than likely nearly cost you the match, no?
Oh, and Connolly thought yer man was a Kilkenny impersonator as he thought there was no way the real Kilkenny was that far up the pitch
None of that is in any way relevant. We had a one point lead with seconds left. Instead of being sensible and retaining possession, Connolly went for a hero point.
Yes, it cost us the match. Just like your OGs would have cost you the match had you lost.
I presume Keegan will be getting the same ban as Ricey did for his altercation with Connolly.
The only thing we learned today was that the mayo Jersey is made of a far superior material.
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I presume Keegan will be getting the same ban as Ricey did for his altercation with Connolly.
Ricey !!!
Would you get a life
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 09:58:39 PM
I presume Keegan will be getting the same ban as Ricey did for his altercation with Connolly.
Good man Bomber. ;D ;D
The silence from the Free-State media is deafening.
Quote from: Hereiam on September 18, 2016, 09:59:58 PM
The only thing we learned today was that the mayo Jersey is made of a far superior material.
You can't beat hessian.
Dublin gone back a bit since last year , at least they managed to score 12 points in the 2015 final !!
Senan Connell said both teams should have won the game and lost the game. Think that kinda sums it up.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 09:58:39 PM
I presume Keegan will be getting the same ban as Ricey did for his altercation with Connolly.
Are you equating a knee drop to pulling a jersey?
Quote from: Zulu on September 18, 2016, 10:12:44 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 09:58:39 PM
I presume Keegan will be getting the same ban as Ricey did for his altercation with Connolly.
Are you equating a knee drop to pulling a jersey?
No.
Ricey got banned for interfering with Galvin's privates. I wonder if Keegan will get a similar treatment for doing the same with Connolly?
When did that happen?
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 18, 2016, 10:06:24 PM
Dublin gone back a bit since last year , at least they managed to score 12 points in the 2015 final !!
They miss the players that left the panel. Maybe they don't have any Fergie time this year
Quote from: Zulu on September 18, 2016, 10:16:26 PM
When did that happen?
In their second half coming together.
I really cant understand why people engage with this clown
Dubs are still 4/11 for the replay
Quote from: criostlinn on September 18, 2016, 10:26:10 PM
I really cant understand why people engage with this clown
WUM?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 10:14:51 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 18, 2016, 10:12:44 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 09:58:39 PM
I presume Keegan will be getting the same ban as Ricey did for his altercation with Connolly.
Are you equating a knee drop to pulling a jersey?
No.
Ricey got banned for interfering with Galvin's privates. I wonder if Keegan will get a similar treatment for doing the same with Connolly?
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2016, 10:36:16 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 10:14:51 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 18, 2016, 10:12:44 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 09:58:39 PM
I presume Keegan will be getting the same ban as Ricey did for his altercation with Connolly.
Are you equating a knee drop to pulling a jersey?
No.
Ricey got banned for interfering with Galvin's privates. I wonder if Keegan will get a similar treatment for doing the same with Connolly?
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Are you an ostrich?
Who Sky give MOTM to?
Had motm between small and vaughan. Think small deserved it overall. Covered well and kicked a great point.
Most people are saying Dublin won't be as bad again.
But Mayo won't score 2 OGs again.
Looking forward to the replay.
Quote from: orangeman on September 18, 2016, 10:47:50 PM
Most people are saying Dublin won't be as bad again.
But Mayo won't score 2 OGs again.
Looking forward to the replay.
Will Rock be as poor on frees again?
Dublin will have to improve a lot whereas Mayo are getting there,
I think it's going to be a very close to the wire replay.
How did o Connor not get a man of the match nomination ?
Biased Dublin medja again.
Quote from: stiffler on September 18, 2016, 10:52:20 PM
How did o Connor not get a man of the match nomination ?
Biased Dublin medja again.
How many motm awards are there?
Small picked up a motm award there on the evening Sunday Game.
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2016, 10:58:06 PM
Quote from: stiffler on September 18, 2016, 10:52:20 PM
How did o Connor not get a man of the match nomination ?
Biased Dublin medja again.
How many motm awards are there?
Small picked up a motm award there on the evening Sunday Game.
Because it's man of the match and not man of the last score.
Sunday game trying to big up Kilkenny once again, ffs what's he paying them to talk him into an all-star. Dublin's starting HF line were pure shite, absolute passengers. Andrews, Fenton and John Small were their MOTM contenders. I'd have gave it to Small.
Keegan once again is the premier spoiler in the game. Have to give that to him. Someone said it's a sad indictment of the game that he or Connolly had hardly touched the ball. That's Keegan's job ffs and he done it to near perfection once again today. Even worked in the customary yellow card for the man he was marking.
O'Connor and O'Shea are serious yaps alright but all the top games forwards are now because refs are so easily bought it's career suicide not to be. I actually admire COC, stood up several times when he was needed, as did Moran and were very effective despite there limitations as players.
Vaughan had a shite year but was very good today, Seamus O'Shea up until his head melt in the 2nd half was top notch too.
Quote from: trileacman on September 18, 2016, 11:00:44 PM
Sunday game trying to big up Kilkenny once again, ffs what's he paying them to talk him into an all-star. Dublin's starting HF line were pure shite, absolute passengers. Andrews, Fenton and John Small were their MOTM contenders. I'd have gave it to Small.
Keegan once again is the premier spoiler in the game. Have to give that to him. Someone said it's a sad indictment of the game that he or Connolly had hardly touched the ball. That's Keegan's job ffs and he done it to near perfection once again today. Even worked in the customary yellow card for the man he was marking.
O'Connor and O'Shea are serious yaps alright but all the top games forwards are now because refs are so easily bought it's career suicide not to be. I actually admire COC, stood up several times when he was needed, as did Moran and were very effective despite there limitations as players.
Vaughan had a shite year but was very good today, Seamus O'Shea up until his head melt in the 2nd half was top notch too.
Couldn't agree more about Kilkenny.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 18, 2016, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 18, 2016, 10:27:36 PM
Dubs are still 4/11 for the replay
And why not?
Same price as before the match.
They were disappointing and appear to miss the fellas who left the panel. But no allowance for that in pricing
Quote from: stiffler on September 18, 2016, 10:52:20 PM
How did o Connor not get a man of the match nomination ?
Biased Dublin medja again.
It was a game for defenders and I'm not sure how Fenton got nominated instead of another Mayo defender.
Quote from: trileacman on September 18, 2016, 11:00:44 PM
O'Connor and O'Shea are serious yaps alright but all the top games forwards are now because refs are so easily bought it's career suicide not to be. I actually admire COC, stood up several times when he was needed, as did Moran and were very effective despite there limitations as players.
In fairness the only times Paul Flynn was on telly was when he was in the referees ear also. I'm frankly amazed at the amount of whinging from the dubs about the refereeing decisions when they were so lucky not to have Connolly sent off for punching and MacAuley sent off for his assault on O'Connor.
The match in full is up on RTE PLAYER now.
An ugly game. These kind of games will be the norm as long as the hand pass is unrestricted .
Quote from: orangeman on September 18, 2016, 10:47:50 PM
Most people are saying Dublin won't be as bad again.
But Mayo won't score 2 OGs again.
Looking forward to the replay.
I agree, it's going to be close again, but I think the Mayo's defence matches up quite well against the Dublin forward line so I can't see them getting much more change the next day. I said at the start of this thread that Dublin aren't good at thinking on their feet when things go agai st them and I believe that this was exposed again today - bar the two OGs they were utterly clueless for the whole first half until Paddy Andrews came on. The Dubs underperformed but so did, Seamus O'Se, Aiden O'Se, Kevin McLoughlin and Diarmuid O'Connor. If Mayo believe in themselves and push up on the Dubs they will win - each time it looked like the game was lost and they went for Dublin they kicked scores with ease, when they got close they seemed to be crippled with anxiety in front of goal.
One last point, Cluxtons kick outs are the most signposted tactic in the GAA these days, they are a complete liability and I would drop him for the replay as it's an all too obvious tactic to attack. It would put Mayo on the back foot if another keeper trotted out.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 18, 2016, 11:16:10 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 18, 2016, 10:47:50 PM
Most people are saying Dublin won't be as bad again.
But Mayo won't score 2 OGs again.
Looking forward to the replay.
I agree, it's going to be close again, but I think the Mayo's defence matches up quite well against the Dublin forward line so I can't see them getting much more change the next day. I said at the start of this thread that Dublin aren't good at thinking on their feet when things go agai st them and I believe that this was exposed again today - bar the two OGs they were utterly clueless for the whole first half until Paddy Andrews came on. The Dubs underperformed but so did, Seamus O'Se, Aiden O'Se, Kevin McLoughlin and Diarmuid O'Connor. If Mayo believe in themselves and push up on the Dubs they will win - each time it looked like the game was lost and they went for Dublin they kicked scores with ease, when they got close they seemed to be crippled with anxiety in front of goal.
One last point, Cluxtons kick outs are the most signposted tactic in the GAA these days, they are a complete liability and I would drop him for the replay as it's an all too obvious tactic to attack. It would put Mayo on the back foot if another keeper trotted out.
In the pecking order of who should be dropped Cluxton is safe enough with Flynn, Brogan and McAuley ahead of him
Quote from: straightred on September 18, 2016, 11:19:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 18, 2016, 11:16:10 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 18, 2016, 10:47:50 PM
Most people are saying Dublin won't be as bad again.
But Mayo won't score 2 OGs again.
Looking forward to the replay.
I agree, it's going to be close again, but I think the Mayo's defence matches up quite well against the Dublin forward line so I can't see them getting much more change the next day. I said at the start of this thread that Dublin aren't good at thinking on their feet when things go agai st them and I believe that this was exposed again today - bar the two OGs they were utterly clueless for the whole first half until Paddy Andrews came on. The Dubs underperformed but so did, Seamus O'Se, Aiden O'Se, Kevin McLoughlin and Diarmuid O'Connor. If Mayo believe in themselves and push up on the Dubs they will win - each time it looked like the game was lost and they went for Dublin they kicked scores with ease, when they got close they seemed to be crippled with anxiety in front of goal.
One last point, Cluxtons kick outs are the most signposted tactic in the GAA these days, they are a complete liability and I would drop him for the replay as it's an all too obvious tactic to attack. It would put Mayo on the back foot if another keeper trotted out.
In the pecking order of who should be dropped Cluxton is safe enough with Flynn, Brogan and McAuley ahead of him
None of these players are so central to such a obvious, defunct and easily attacked tactic. Even at the death, his kick out to Bastick nearly done for them. Cluxton is clearly untouchable but I think he's been central to all Dublins mini collapses in Championship games this summer.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 18, 2016, 11:27:04 PM
Quote from: straightred on September 18, 2016, 11:19:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 18, 2016, 11:16:10 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 18, 2016, 10:47:50 PM
Most people are saying Dublin won't be as bad again.
But Mayo won't score 2 OGs again.
Looking forward to the replay.
I agree, it's going to be close again, but I think the Mayo's defence matches up quite well against the Dublin forward line so I can't see them getting much more change the next day. I said at the start of this thread that Dublin aren't good at thinking on their feet when things go agai st them and I believe that this was exposed again today - bar the two OGs they were utterly clueless for the whole first half until Paddy Andrews came on. The Dubs underperformed but so did, Seamus O'Se, Aiden O'Se, Kevin McLoughlin and Diarmuid O'Connor. If Mayo believe in themselves and push up on the Dubs they will win - each time it looked like the game was lost and they went for Dublin they kicked scores with ease, when they got close they seemed to be crippled with anxiety in front of goal.
One last point, Cluxtons kick outs are the most signposted tactic in the GAA these days, they are a complete liability and I would drop him for the replay as it's an all too obvious tactic to attack. It would put Mayo on the back foot if another keeper trotted out.
In the pecking order of who should be dropped Cluxton is safe enough with Flynn, Brogan and McAuley ahead of him
None of these players are so central to such a obvious, defunct and easily attacked tactic. Even at the death, his kick out to Bastick nearly done for them. Cluxton is clearly untouchable but I think he's central to Dublins mini collapses in Championship games this summer.
I think the mayo keeper probably gave away more scores today from bad kickouts. Not 100% sure but it seemed that way.
Dublin sticking with Flynn is close to playing with 14. He has been really poor this year
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
Says the keyboard warrior. You wouldn't have the balls to say that to his face. He's a class act but if only he was half as brave as you in your dark room calling him out in such manly style
Quote from: stiffler on September 18, 2016, 10:52:20 PM
How did o Connor not get a man of the match nomination ?
Biased Dublin medja again.
Because the 3 lads that got nominated played better than him over the course of the game that's why.
Quote from: straightred on September 18, 2016, 11:28:56 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 18, 2016, 11:27:04 PM
Quote from: straightred on September 18, 2016, 11:19:50 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 18, 2016, 11:16:10 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 18, 2016, 10:47:50 PM
Most people are saying Dublin won't be as bad again.
But Mayo won't score 2 OGs again.
Looking forward to the replay.
I agree, it's going to be close again, but I think the Mayo's defence matches up quite well against the Dublin forward line so I can't see them getting much more change the next day. I said at the start of this thread that Dublin aren't good at thinking on their feet when things go agai st them and I believe that this was exposed again today - bar the two OGs they were utterly clueless for the whole first half until Paddy Andrews came on. The Dubs underperformed but so did, Seamus O'Se, Aiden O'Se, Kevin McLoughlin and Diarmuid O'Connor. If Mayo believe in themselves and push up on the Dubs they will win - each time it looked like the game was lost and they went for Dublin they kicked scores with ease, when they got close they seemed to be crippled with anxiety in front of goal.
One last point, Cluxtons kick outs are the most signposted tactic in the GAA these days, they are a complete liability and I would drop him for the replay as it's an all too obvious tactic to attack. It would put Mayo on the back foot if another keeper trotted out.
In the pecking order of who should be dropped Cluxton is safe enough with Flynn, Brogan and McAuley ahead of him
None of these players are so central to such a obvious, defunct and easily attacked tactic. Even at the death, his kick out to Bastick nearly done for them. Cluxton is clearly untouchable but I think he's central to Dublins mini collapses in Championship games this summer.
I think the mayo keeper probably gave away more scores today from bad kickouts. Not 100% sure but it seemed that way.
Dublin sticking with Flynn is close to playing with 14. He has been really poor this year
Mayo keeper gave 3 points to Dublin with bad kick outs from 65th minute. He also came for two ridiculous high balls, one resulting in a tap over free and the other almost yielded a 3rd own goal. He was very poor.
Quote from: trileacman on September 18, 2016, 11:00:44 PM
Sunday game trying to big up Kilkenny once again, ffs what's he paying them to talk him into an all-star. Dublin's starting HF line were pure shite, absolute passengers. Andrews, Fenton and John Small were their MOTM contenders. I'd have gave it to Small.
I thought Kilkenny was class today when all around him was failing.
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2016, 12:10:51 AM
Quote from: trileacman on September 18, 2016, 11:00:44 PM
Sunday game trying to big up Kilkenny once again, ffs what's he paying them to talk him into an all-star. Dublin's starting HF line were pure shite, absolute passengers. Andrews, Fenton and John Small were their MOTM contenders. I'd have gave it to Small.
I thought Kilkenny was class today when all around him was failing.
Didn't score and bitched out of a shot at a point at the death when completely un marked. Shoveled it off to some guy being marked and a gilt edged chance from 30m was lost. A brainless footballer but a staticians dream.
A few observations....
Where does this much-talked about Dublin improvement for the replay come from ? Brogan hasn't had a real top drawer game in QF, SF or final since v Mayo in 2013 - he's best days are behind him. Seems to be the same for Flynn. Connolly will have minimum affect again due to himself and Keegan cancelling one another out. Colm Boyle has McMen's number and Kilkenny is King of the lateral so will never be a game winner.
Fenton was outstanding today and was Small.
Rest of Dub backline was pretty good so where is the massive improvement going to come from ............
And this whole "Dublin can't be as bad again" presume 3 or 4 Aidan O'S, Diarmuid, and a couple of others have no room for improvement
Clarkes kickouts .... he has the toughest job on the pitch. Brilliant and all as the Mayo backs were, they - along with midfield - didn't work hard/smart enough to give Clarke enough easier options
The failure by the Sunday Game panel to make any mention of the clearcut pick off the ground after Cluxtons last kickout was pathetic. It was the biggest and most important decision of the game and completely saved Dublin. My brother was watching the game in Australia in a club and the the screen stopped working at the precise moment the ball was picked off the ground and just before Regan collided with Dublin player. "There was nearly a riot" and they all presumed it was a Mayo free in and that Mayo had won the game. When the picture came back just after full time whistle, they then presumed O'Connor has missed the free.....
The weather was always going to be the single biggest factor in the game. Aidan was never going to play well in it. Rock (who - correct me if i am wrong - has not kicked frees on a wet day this summer) has a free taking technique that is very difficult to get right on a wet Croke Park surface. On balance, i think the wet day was more better for Mayo than Dublin and i hope its wet again (or at least 'greasy') the next day!
And the ref .... aside from the whole yellow/black card mess (which is hardly the refs fault), then i thought he had on balance a decent game
And finally.... can Mayo expect an allocation of tickets for the central section of Hill 16 for the replay with Dub supporters split in the peripheral sections, i.e.: the reverse of today? No, of course not. What was I thinking
Well well, nice escape today. There we were praying for rain and low and behold it went against us.
We will win the replay as long as Rochford has the balls to make some big decisions and leave our American Footballer(s) as impact subs.
Aidan O'Shea must be that referee's lover. Persistent fouling throughout the game but somehow never got 2nd yellow/black card.
Dubs were awful today yet got a draw. No way they can be that poor again and have such a week referee. Connolly literally had his shirt ripped off him by Keegan and got a yellow card. Farcical stuff. Dublin were rubbish only scored 9 points and still got a draw. They have far more room for improvement than Mayo and should win the replay
Quote from: trileacman on September 19, 2016, 12:23:42 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2016, 12:10:51 AM
Quote from: trileacman on September 18, 2016, 11:00:44 PM
Sunday game trying to big up Kilkenny once again, ffs what's he paying them to talk him into an all-star. Dublin's starting HF line were pure shite, absolute passengers. Andrews, Fenton and John Small were their MOTM contenders. I'd have gave it to Small.
I thought Kilkenny was class today when all around him was failing.
Didn't score and bitched out of a shot at a point at the death when completely un marked. Shoveled it off to some guy being marked and a gilt edged chance from 30m was lost. A brainless footballer but a staticians dream.
Kilkenny does a huge amount of work. I don't know what bitched out means.
Out of interest when was the last time Mayo lost a championship game to the defending All Ireland champions?
I think "bitched out" means I'm going to the pub? Ciaran Kilkenny is Dublins best player, if he was on our team we would be champions this morning.
P.s,
In real time that pick off the ground couldn't be given by lane so quit that petty whinge good man. Andy picked off the ground twice in the 2nd half and lane didn't spot it.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 19, 2016, 12:36:35 AM
Aidan O'Shea must be that referee's lover. Persistent fouling throughout the game but somehow never got 2nd yellow/black card.
Dubs were awful today yet got a draw. No way they can be that poor again and have such a week referee. Connolly literally had his shirt ripped off him by Keegan and got a yellow card. Farcical stuff. Dublin were rubbish only scored 9 points and still got a draw. They have far more room for improvement than Mayo and should win the replay
He also punched Keegan on the head about 3 times.
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 12:24:13 AM
A few observations....
Where does this much-talked about Dublin improvement for the replay come from ? Brogan hasn't had a real top drawer game in QF, SF or final since v Mayo in 2013 - he's best days are behind him. Seems to be the same for Flynn. Connolly will have minimum affect again due to himself and Keegan cancelling one another out. Colm Boyle has McMen's number and Kilkenny is King of the lateral so will never be a game winner.
Fenton was outstanding today and was Small.
Rest of Dub backline was pretty good so where is the massive improvement going to come from ............
And this whole "Dublin can't be as bad again" presume 3 or 4 Aidan O'S, Diarmuid, and a couple of others have no room for improvement
Clarkes kickouts .... he has the toughest job on the pitch. Brilliant and all as the Mayo backs were, they - along with midfield - didn't work hard/smart enough to give Clarke enough easier options
The failure by the Sunday Game panel to make any mention of the clearcut pick off the ground after Cluxtons last kickout was pathetic. It was the biggest and most important decision of the game and completely saved Dublin. My brother was watching the game in Australia in a club and the the screen stopped working at the precise moment the ball was picked off the ground and just before Regan collided with Dublin player. "There was nearly a riot" and they all presumed it was a Mayo free in and that Mayo had won the game. When the picture came back just after full time whistle, they then presumed O'Connor has missed the free.....
The weather was always going to be the single biggest factor in the game. Aidan was never going to play well in it. Rock (who - correct me if i am wrong - has not kicked frees on a wet day this summer) has a free taking technique that is very difficult to get right on a wet Croke Park surface. On balance, i think the wet day was more better for Mayo than Dublin and i hope its wet again (or at least 'greasy') the next day!
And the ref .... aside from the whole yellow/black card mess (which is hardly the refs fault), then i thought he had on balance a decent game
And finally.... can Mayo expect an allocation of tickets for the central section of Hill 16 for the replay with Dub supporters split in the peripheral sections, i.e.: the reverse of today? No, of course not. What was I thinking
Your brother in Australia obviously missed the free out then?
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 19, 2016, 12:50:06 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 19, 2016, 12:36:35 AM
Aidan O'Shea must be that referee's lover. Persistent fouling throughout the game but somehow never got 2nd yellow/black card.
Dubs were awful today yet got a draw. No way they can be that poor again and have such a week referee. Connolly literally had his shirt ripped off him by Keegan and got a yellow card. Farcical stuff. Dublin were rubbish only scored 9 points and still got a draw. They have far more room for improvement than Mayo and should win the replay
He also punched Keegan on the head about 3 times.
Keegan was on borrowed time at that stage. Officials need to cop on to him.
The dubs are jealous of Keegan due to his Dubliness!
I'd say in 15 years time himself and Diarmuid will be drinking buddies.
I love our sport.
Cillian O'Connor, take a bow son. Had always considered him talented but free taking and high scoring performances against the lesser lights were a big part of this. He's taken it to a different level now outshining the likes of Connolly, Brogan and Flynn. 7 points and 2 from play mightn't be spectacular but when the opposition can only manage 9 points and you throw in the weighting of a 45 yard last second equaliser, it's a great days work.
How are the media fawning over Kilkenny's possession stats so much when the vast majority involve receiving and giving 5 yard lateral hand passes 70 yards from goal?
Some load of bull about the logic that Dublin are sure to win the replay because they've the most improving to do. Heard the same about Cork in the 2013 hurling replay. I think Mayo have a lot of improving to do also.
Kilkenny also takes 6 or 7 steps every time he gets the ball before passing backwards.
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 12:24:13 AM
And finally.... can Mayo expect an allocation of tickets for the central section of Hill 16 for the replay with Dub supporters split in the peripheral sections, i.e.: the reverse of today? No, of course not. What was I thinking
Is the hill not just general admission anymore?
It was segregated today but the GAA showed preference for one county as usual.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 18, 2016, 05:44:14 PM
You would have said less on the ref if he hadn't black carded mccarthy though. He didn't implement the black card rule well at all. Agree though i don't think he influenced iutcome of game.
Mayo were defensively superb and i thought doherty and moran excellent too.
Black card sucks...I think by the letter of the law that was a black card, not dissimilar to the stupid one picked up by Richie Feeney in the Club Final
Consensus was that Mayo could only win if the Dubs had an off-day and although that happened and Mayo themselves expertly engineered it in part themselves, they didn't finish the job. The crucial momentum they generated after half-time was allowed to dissipate as when the lead beckoned and they had the first nail for Dublin's coffin at hand, anxiety seemed to take over and a thread of aimless passes and a lack of composure ensured that promising attacking platforms were squandered. Andy Moran, with all his experience, should have done better with the goal chance too. Mayo kept the Dubs in the game when they could have been strangling the life out of them, but would hitting a 2/3-point lead at that stage of the game have served Mayo anyway? I think there was too much time left for them to see it home, given their fragilities. It's weird though, to question Mayo's gumption after the battling qualities they showed in the match but it almost looks like they need to be chasing a game to get the best out of themselves but then freeze in the limelight when they are at the doorstep of destiny.
If the replay is level approaching injury time and Mayo had a promising attacking move in progress, or even a sight of goal for a point, would you back them to take a score from it? Not based on today I wouldn't. But, we go again regardless.
Did Dublin 'choke'? Ya know the way they were 3 points up with a few minutes to go?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 19, 2016, 06:53:51 AM
Did Dublin 'choke'? Ya know the way they were 3 points up with a few minutes to go?
Absolutely, pointer steps Kilkenny and Rock in the last few minutes being the main culprits.
Quote from: Syferus on September 17, 2016, 08:46:55 PM
Back to the real stuff. Dublin by however much they want to win by.
They obviously didn't want to win at all then. So that's why they conceded the last 3 scores of the game.
Greatest team of all time? Yer arse. This dublin team can only play if you allow them to. Wouldn't have counted against Tyrone Armagh or Kerry of the 90s. Just a handy era now.
Quote from: straightred on September 19, 2016, 12:50:24 AM
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 12:24:13 AM
The failure by the Sunday Game panel to make any mention of the clearcut pick off the ground after Cluxtons last kickout was pathetic. It was the biggest and most important decision of the game and completely saved Dublin. My brother was watching the game in Australia in a club and the the screen stopped working at the precise moment the ball was picked off the ground and just before Regan collided with Dublin player. "There was nearly a riot" and they all presumed it was a Mayo free in and that Mayo had won the game. When the picture came back just after full time whistle, they then presumed O'Connor has missed the free.....
Your brother in Australia obviously missed the free out then?
Which 'offence' was committed first ? (and I don't agree that Regan's attempted tackle was even a foul .... it was an unfortunate clash of heads)
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 19, 2016, 12:50:06 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 19, 2016, 12:36:35 AM
Aidan O'Shea must be that referee's lover. Persistent fouling throughout the game but somehow never got 2nd yellow/black card.
Dubs were awful today yet got a draw. No way they can be that poor again and have such a week referee. Connolly literally had his shirt ripped off him by Keegan and got a yellow card. Farcical stuff. Dublin were rubbish only scored 9 points and still got a draw. They have far more room for improvement than Mayo and should win the replay
He also punched Keegan on the head about 3 times.
& the first man to grab another man's shirt. The Keegan v Connolly battle is a brilliant subplot of this fixture. We all love it, the blood and thunder, 2 of the best players in the country going at it hammer and tongs. A shake of the hands at the end and I'd say serious mutual respect when all is said and done between the pair. The faux outrage in here is a bit girly tbh
When are referees going to give C O'Connor a black card for cynical fouling? I counted at least 3 yesterday
Or a yellow for constantly mouthing at the referee trying to influence decisions.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 19, 2016, 12:46:55 AM
Out of interest when was the last time Mayo lost a championship game to the defending All Ireland champions?
Kerry 2007?
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 19, 2016, 12:46:55 AM
Out of interest when was the last time Mayo lost a championship game to the defending All Ireland champions?
Kerry 2007?
Was it not Derry who put us out that year?
As I kinda feared, the only real form guide for this game was last year's 2 semi-finals. Everything that happened this year pretty much irrelevant.
These are two very evenly matched teams. Mayo were the best team, but some defensive errors cost them massively.
I thought we got the better of the Connolly - Keegan match up. Connolly much less effective than usual of course, because Keegan is class defender, but he still contributed more than Keegan to the game, and was the best of our very poor bunch of forwards.
The worst, as usual, was Flynn.
I don't really buy that Dublin can't be as bad the next day. Of course they can. For example, if Flynn plays, he will be exactly as bad as he was, the same as he is every day. He's a reputation as being the hardest working player in the country, when in actual fact he's the least hard working player on our entire team. Completely lost it, and from the first minute his objective seems to be to conserve energy. A complete waste of space, and yet stayed on for nearly the whole game. Contributed absolutely nothing as usual, but Gavin seems to have a blind spot.
A joke, when we have so much talented footballers, that the clown O'Gara gets game time for us. Not much ability, and not much brains. A combination that does not make a good intercounty footballer.
Please let us not have Joe McQuillan for the replay.
Quote from: JoG2 on September 19, 2016, 08:03:50 AM
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 19, 2016, 12:36:35 AM
Aidan O'Shea must be that referee's lover. Persistent fouling throughout the game but somehow never got 2nd yellow/black card.
Dubs were awful today yet got a draw. No way they can be that poor again and have such a week referee. Connolly literally had his shirt ripped off him by Keegan and got a yellow card. Farcical stuff. Dublin were rubbish only scored 9 points and still got a draw. They have far more room for improvement than Mayo and should win the replay
He also punched Keegan on the head about 3 times.
& the first man to grab another man's shirt. The Keegan v Connolly battle is a brilliant subplot of this fixture. We all love it, the blood and thunder, 2 of the best players in the country going at it hammer and tongs. A shake of the hands at the end and I'd say serious mutual respect when all is said and done between the pair. The faux outrage in here is a bit girly tbh
Who's outraged? I was just pointing out that Connelly struck. To claim Connelly as the victim as the previous poster claimed is just wrong.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 19, 2016, 08:08:11 AM
When are referees going to give C O'Connor a black card for cynical fouling? I counted at least 3 yesterday
Or a yellow for constantly mouthing at the referee trying to influence decisions.
Spot on hes a horrible slithery toad, pegged it off the pitch at full time too
I agree about Flynn. Total passenger and has been in gradual decline for the last 2 seasons. How Gavin doesn't see it is beyond me. I thought Gavin was outfoxed by Rochford yesterday. Dublin have the better players but Mayo had the better game plan and nullified much of the Dublin threat. Dublin looked below par because Mayo set up their system well. I expected Dublin to win easily and at half time even though they hadn't played well, I thought that this would still materialise. That was based on this years form alone. Now I'm not so sure as I think I under estimated Mayo. As someone else stated the only true form guide were the games between the 2 sides over the last few seasons. It's not even as if Mayo have no room for improvement, a few of their key players can play much better. I'd still have Dublin as favourites but Mayo are a resilient bunch and they have every chance the next day.
What went on at the tunnel comrades ??? was in the loo in the cusack at the time
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 19, 2016, 08:08:11 AM
When are referees going to give C O'Connor a black card for cynical fouling? I counted at least 3 yesterday
Or a yellow for constantly mouthing at the referee trying to influence decisions.
Spot on hes a horrible slithery toad, pegged it off the pitch at full time too
Did that equalising point hurt much?
Quote from: Zulu on September 18, 2016, 05:40:29 PM
Thought the referee did alright, the way some of you lads are going on the game will be non-contact soon enough.
Mightily impressed with Mayo's heart and they deserved their draw. Those of you questioning whether Dublin will be as bad again are failing to give Mayo due credit for what they can do against them. Dublin could struggle just as much the next day because Mayo match up well with Dublin. However, I still fear for Mayo as Dublin are unlikely to be as poor in front on the posts again and Mayo don't have the forwards to get it done against the best. You can't help but like this Mayo team though, they are a brilliant bunch of players who deserve all the support they get.
I agree 100% with this. All of this. I thought Mayo would win this game because of the way they match up against Dublin's big players, and in terms of their physical stature and fitness all around the pitch. I think the only reason Mayo haven't gotten over the line is a bit of top quality in the forward line. I know Mayo lads don't like hearing it, but I think it's true. I hate when I hear people talking about Mayo choking. I don't believe they choke at all. I just think they are lacking a small bit of top quality in the way they attack. One or two forwards, certainly, but also just the way they attack is not as polished as the rest of their game.
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 19, 2016, 08:08:11 AM
When are referees going to give C O'Connor a black card for cynical fouling? I counted at least 3 yesterday
Or a yellow for constantly mouthing at the referee trying to influence decisions.
Spot on hes a horrible slithery toad, pegged it off the pitch at full time too
Did that equalising point hurt much?
No at all. Mayo deserved the draw big time................ I wish though that some people could actually acknowledge the behavior of one or two of their players
Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2016, 06:57:27 PM
Nearly every time either O'Shea got the ball in the 2nd half I was out of my chair roaring at the telly in frustration.
Seamie's willingness to hand hard-won possession back to the Dubs nearly lost Mayo the game.
As usual, when Aidan gets the ball the first thing he looks for is contact, not the simple lay-off to a runner.
Honestly, Mayo would have been better off without either of them today.
Also agree with this. And it should be mentioned whenever people say Dublin will be much better the next day. Surely Aidan O'Shea, Seamie O'Shea and Diarmuid O'Connor won't be as poor again.
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 19, 2016, 12:36:35 AM
Aidan O'Shea must be that referee's lover. Persistent fouling throughout the game but somehow never got 2nd yellow/black card.
Dubs were awful today yet got a draw. No way they can be that poor again and have such a week referee. Connolly literally had his shirt ripped off him by Keegan and got a yellow card. Farcical stuff. Dublin were rubbish only scored 9 points and still got a draw. They have far more room for improvement than Mayo and should win the replay
He also punched Keegan on the head about 3 times.
& the first man to grab another man's shirt. The Keegan v Connolly battle is a brilliant subplot of this fixture. We all love it, the blood and thunder, 2 of the best players in the country going at it hammer and tongs. A shake of the hands at the end and I'd say serious mutual respect when all is said and done between the pair. The faux outrage in here is a bit girly tbh
Who's outraged? I was just pointing out that Connelly struck. To claim Connelly as the victim as the previous poster claimed is just wrong.
wasn't aimed at you Benny, get the morning coffee inte you :D
Connolly covered himself in glory yet again with a few well aimed punches.
Keegan was at him continually off the ball mind you. Our linesman and umpires are as useful as chocolate teapots.
Lane has no balls. Black carded McCarthy then sh1t himself from making any other big decisions.
Connolly, McAuley & clear lift ball at end being prime examples.
Roll on 1st October
Neither team lived up to the conventional wisdom's view of them. The Dubs didn't look like a team for the ages. Mayo had bottle. They reminded me of the 95 Clare hurlers. They didn't have a lot of forwards either.
4 All Ireland finals in 5 years and Dublin have won them by and aggregate score of 5 points. Undoubtedly they've been the top team for a while, but how far they're in front of the chasing pack gets wildly exaggerated. Much of this is out of Dublin's control and is a by-product of the generally negative analysis of the overall championship.
Jim Gavin may actually find this draw a blessing, as for first time he has a real mandate to bench under performers like Brogan or Flynn who might well be over the hill. Much of his supposed ruthlessness has involved fringe players.
You'd still say Dublin are most likely to win the replay, but I don't believe there is an easy extra gear they can click into.
Mayo have still plenty to play for. For a bunch of bottlers, they calmly reeled in a 3 point deficit without panicking and desperately going looking for goal.
The consensus of opinion from this discussion would suggest that Mayo will be at unbackable odds to win the replay - that's if their supporters are prepared to put their money where their mouths are.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 19, 2016, 10:11:19 AM
4 All Ireland finals in 5 years and Dublin have won them by and aggregate score of 5 points. Undoubtedly they've been the top team for a while, but how far they're in front of the chasing pack gets wildly exaggerated. Much of this is out of Dublin's control and is a by-product of the generally negative analysis of the overall championship.
Jim Gavin may actually find this draw a blessing, as for first time he has a real mandate to bench under performers like Brogan or Flynn who might well be over the hill. Much of his supposed ruthlessness has involved fringe players.
You'd still say Dublin are most likely to win the replay, but I don't believe there is an easy extra gear they can click into.
Mayo have still plenty to play for. For a bunch of bottlers, they calmly reeled in a 3 point deficit without panicking and desperately going looking for goal.
Good post and I'd agree with that assessment. It can't be a co-incidence that Mayo are the team that they have struggled with most to put to the sword. The Dubs are the best side in the country but Mayo are a close second best. Prior to the match I thought Mayo were just operating at a lower level than previous years and that was based on form to date, now I'm not so sure. They are a seriously good side and are anything but bottlers.
who got sunday game mom?
Where did the 7 miutes injury time come from?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 19, 2016, 09:05:27 AM
What went on at the tunnel comrades ??? was in the loo in the cusack at the time
Heard on the radio (I think it was Today FM) this morning that Mayo were meant to come out first but they delayed so they came out the same time as the Dubs and there were shouldering and handbags but not sure to what extent.
Did it look like both teams come out at the one time?
What was the story on the Hill? Were Mayo fans ushered to that corner or could you go where you wanted? Was there any hassle on the Hill?
IMHO, Mayo's tigerish tackling along with the rain seemed to knock Dublin's shooting and passing confidence. Rock was having a very high success rate all year but yesterday it all fell apart for him. I saw Dermo C in Harry Byrnes pub last night looking very relaxed.
Does the banquet get cancelled after a draw?
Quote from: yellowcard on September 19, 2016, 10:27:03 AM
Where did the 7 miutes injury time come from?
This year refs have been under instruction to add on the proper amount of stoppage as opposed to the token 1 or 2 minutes.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 19, 2016, 10:21:42 AM
The consensus of opinion from this discussion would suggest that Mayo will be at unbackable odds to win the replay.
Ah yeah, every 2nd post here is about how Mayo will hammer Dublin the next day.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 19, 2016, 10:27:33 AM
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What went on at the tunnel comrades ??? was in the loo in the cusack at the time
Heard on the radio (I think it was Today FM) this morning that Mayo were meant to come out first but they delayed so they came out the same time as the Dubs and there were shouldering and handbags but not sure to what extent.
Did it look like both teams come out at the one time?
What was the story on the Hill? Were Mayo fans ushered to that corner or could you go where you wanted? Was there any hassle on the Hill?
IMHO, Mayo's tigerish tackling along with the rain seemed to knock Dublin's shooting and passing confidence. Rock was having a very high success rate all year but yesterday it all fell apart for him. I saw Dermo C in Harry Byrnes pub last night looking very relaxed.
Does the banquet get cancelled after a draw?
According to the program Dublin were meant to come out first at 2.56pm. Well after 3pm when they came out. It seems they were trying a bit of the auld mind games
So when people excuse Connolly's behaviour on a football pitch by saying Keegan was at him, what does this actually mean. What exactly is Keegan at and if its something so bad how come we never see any footage or pictures of it. There is video's and pictures of Connolly punching and fish hooking Keegan and the worse we see from Keegan is him holding his jersey during this tussle.
People making these excuses would want to look at other battles around the pitch and they may realise the loose canon Connolly is. Was the marking of Keegan on Connolly any worse then Coopers marking of Andy Moran. How did Andy Moran react.
As Joe Brolly said on the Sunday Game, it's one of the most amazing coincidences of gaelic football, how so many of Lee Keegan's opponents get yellow carded for wrestling. What does poor Lee do I wonder to attract such behaviour?
Quote from: criostlinn on September 19, 2016, 10:40:27 AM
So when people excuse Connolly's behaviour on a football pitch by saying Keegan was at him, what does this actually mean. What exactly is Keegan at and if its something so bad how come we never see any footage or pictures of it. There is video's and pictures of Connolly punching and fish hooking Keegan and the worse we see from Keegan is him holding his jersey during this tussle.
People making these excuses would want to look at other battles around the pitch and they may realise the loose canon Connolly is. Was the marking of Keegan on Connolly any worse then Coopers marking of Andy Moran. How did Andy Moran react.
Keegan definitely seems to have the number of Connolly. It can't be a co-incidence that he has never really performed against Mayo and it's just pure frustration from Connolly.
Quote from: criostlinn on September 19, 2016, 10:33:57 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 19, 2016, 10:27:33 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 19, 2016, 09:05:27 AM
What went on at the tunnel comrades ??? was in the loo in the cusack at the time
Heard on the radio (I think it was Today FM) this morning that Mayo were meant to come out first but they delayed so they came out the same time as the Dubs and there were shouldering and handbags but not sure to what extent.
Did it look like both teams come out at the one time?
What was the story on the Hill? Were Mayo fans ushered to that corner or could you go where you wanted? Was there any hassle on the Hill?
IMHO, Mayo's tigerish tackling along with the rain seemed to knock Dublin's shooting and passing confidence. Rock was having a very high success rate all year but yesterday it all fell apart for him. I saw Dermo C in Harry Byrnes pub last night looking very relaxed.
Does the banquet get cancelled after a draw?
According to the program Dublin were meant to come out first at 2.56pm. Well after 3pm when they came out. It seems they were trying a bit of the auld mind games
That's what I thought too.
Quote from: Hound on September 19, 2016, 10:44:19 AM
As Joe Brolly said on the Sunday Game, it's one of the most amazing coincidences of gaelic football, how so many of Lee Keegan's opponents get yellow carded for wrestling. What does poor Lee do I wonder to attract such behaviour?
Thats what Im asking. The Keegan / Connolly battle was hyped up all week. Im sure there were many camera lenses on them all game. So what did Keegan do to deserve getting fish hooked and punched twice in the face. And as for Brolly's comments, he could as easily have said the same thing about Connolly
Quote from: Hound on September 19, 2016, 10:44:19 AM
As Joe Brolly said on the Sunday Game, it's one of the most amazing coincidences of gaelic football, how so many of Lee Keegan's opponents get yellow carded for wrestling. What does poor Lee do I wonder to attract such behaviour?
Yet when it came down to it Connolly was the instigator and should very possibly have seen red. He was at it against McHugh in Donegal game too.
Keegan I'm sure has a part to play but the unfortunate part of being a star forward is that you will get attention and you will need to deal with it within the rules. Keegan isn't the first and won't be the last to be at that kind of thing.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 19, 2016, 10:11:19 AM
4 All Ireland finals in 5 years and Dublin have won them by and aggregate score of 5 points. Undoubtedly they've been the top team for a while, but how far they're in front of the chasing pack gets wildly exaggerated. Much of this is out of Dublin's control and is a by-product of the generally negative analysis of the overall championship.
Jim Gavin may actually find this draw a blessing, as for first time he has a real mandate to bench under performers like Brogan or Flynn who might well be over the hill. Much of his supposed ruthlessness has involved fringe players.
You'd still say Dublin are most likely to win the replay, but I don't believe there is an easy extra gear they can click into.
Mayo have still plenty to play for. For a bunch of bottlers, they calmly reeled in a 3 point deficit without panicking and desperately going looking for goal.
Mayo should have won at least one of those All Irelands. I also think it's very hard to win Sams back to back these days.
Still digesting the game. Mixed emotions to be honest, the own goals were crazy but didn't come out of thin air either.
Favourites tend to win replays when 1 team are complete outsiders...don't think there is much between the teams TBH however so it's up for grabs big time.
Dublin are winged big time with Connolly taken out of the game. John Small was excellent, burned O Shea for his point late on.
Kilkenny had chance to kill the game late on with clear shot for a point, thought that was worse than Connolly going for the superstar sideline point.
Harrison, Paddy Durcan and Vaughan were pick of Mayo bunch for me.
The 6 days turnaround hurt us last year so the 13 days are most welcome.
Small has been excellent all season, used to think he was limited going forward but he has improved this aspect of his game. Deserved MOTM.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 19, 2016, 10:27:33 AM
Did it look like both teams come out at the one time?
What was the story on the Hill? Were Mayo fans ushered to that corner or could you go where you wanted? Was there any hassle on the Hill?
No hassle on the hill where we were anyway. No segregation either although it must have looked that way as a few people mentioned that afterwards.
I noticed some mayo people scattered around the hill as usual but there seemed to be a large section of Mayo fans all in the corner with a line of stewards in yellow bibs standing in the gangway as if to keep them in there. Then down at the bottom there was a huge number of stewards standing down there. It looked like they were expecting trouble.
what about the Mayo club championship?????
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 19, 2016, 11:43:50 AM
I noticed some mayo people scattered around the hill as usual but there seemed to be a large section of Mayo fans all in the corner with a line of stewards in yellow bibs standing in the gangway as if to keep them in there. Then down at the bottom there was a huge number of stewards standing down there. It looked like they were expecting trouble.
They were all there just to hold this fella back...
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2016, 10:03:32 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 09:58:39 PM
I presume Keegan will be getting the same ban as Ricey did for his altercation with Connolly.
Good man Bomber. ;D ;D
The silence from the Free-State media is deafening.
;D
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 19, 2016, 11:43:50 AM
I noticed some mayo people scattered around the hill as usual but there seemed to be a large section of Mayo fans all in the corner with a line of stewards in yellow bibs standing in the gangway as if to keep them in there. Then down at the bottom there was a huge number of stewards standing down there. It looked like they were expecting trouble.
That's where the stewards stand every week before they are called to their end of match positions
The abuse directed at Cillian O'Connor makes me, as a Mayoman, really happy. This sort of stuff:
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
Isn't it brilliant? For years and years and years we've heard about there being no marquee forward in Mayo. Well, there by-God is now and just how impactful O'Connor is can measured by this sort of spluttering indignation. And you know the best thing? O'Connor is only twenty-five years old. He'll be around for years and years and years. Good times. 8)
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2016, 12:22:55 PM
The abuse directed at Cillian O'Connor makes me, as a Mayoman, really happy. This sort of stuff:
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
Isn't it brilliant? For years and years and years we've heard about there being no marquee forward in Mayo. Well, there by-God is now and just how impactful O'Connor is can measured by this sort of spluttering indignation. And you know the best thing? O'Connor is only twenty-five years old. He'll be around for years and years and years. Good times. 8)
24?
http://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/669367735/#134 (http://www.sportsfile.com/more-images/669367735/#134)
Why is the replay on a Saturday ???
Will ticket prices be reduced. I know the hurling tickets were well reduced from 80 to 50 for replays but this was due to the fact the games would not sell out.
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 12:24:13 AM
And finally.... can Mayo expect an allocation of tickets for the central section of Hill 16 for the replay with Dub supporters split in the peripheral sections, i.e.: the reverse of today? No, of course not. What was I thinking
Another urban myth.
There is no segregation on the Hill.
Supporters naturally gravitate towards their own colours, so you get clusters of supporters in particular areas. I was on the centre of the Hill behind the goalposts. During the minor game there were groups of Mayo lads around us but they all gradually moved across to where the bulk of the Mayo supporters had positioned themselves.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 19, 2016, 12:39:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 12:24:13 AM
And finally.... can Mayo expect an allocation of tickets for the central section of Hill 16 for the replay with Dub supporters split in the peripheral sections, i.e.: the reverse of today? No, of course not. What was I thinking
Another urban myth.
There is no segregation on the Hill.
Supporters naturally gravitate to towards their own colours, so you get clusters of supporters in particular areas. I was on the centre of the Hill behind the goalposts. During the minor game there were groups of Mayo lads around us but they all gradually moved across to where the bulk of the Mayo supporters had positioned themselves.
Ye f**king bullies!
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2016, 12:22:55 PM
The abuse directed at Cillian O'Connor makes me, as a Mayoman, really happy. This sort of stuff:
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
Isn't it brilliant? For years and years and years we've heard about there being no marquee forward in Mayo. Well, there by-God is now and just how impactful O'Connor is can measured by this sort of spluttering indignation. And you know the best thing? O'Connor is only twenty-five years old. He'll be around for years and years and years. Good times. 8)
Boo f**king hoo, someone disagrees with your assessment of how good a player someone is.
O'Connor is massively over hyped and overrated. As I said yesterday, that he scored that point showed balls I didn't think he had. Mind you, he did foul the ball in the buildup...
A marquee forward? Catch yourself on. Any Mayo fans who say they'd trust COC to go out there and win them a tough game are talking complete balls.
Quote from: Taylor on September 19, 2016, 09:54:10 AM
Lane has no balls. Black carded McCarthy then sh1t himself from making any other big decisions.
I wouldn't mind but of all the punishments he could have issued, McCarthy was probably the least deserving. MDMA, O'Shea, Connolly, O'Connor all did worse over the course of the game and stayed on the field.
How was Cillian O'Connor not black carded? That he then turned around and kicked the equaliser compounded it. I'm not sure Connolly's was a *deliberate* trip.
Dublin went 6/23 from play (26%) and 3/8 from frees (38%).
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 12:50:33 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2016, 12:22:55 PM
The abuse directed at Cillian O'Connor makes me, as a Mayoman, really happy. This sort of stuff:
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
Isn't it brilliant? For years and years and years we've heard about there being no marquee forward in Mayo. Well, there by-God is now and just how impactful O'Connor is can measured by this sort of spluttering indignation. And you know the best thing? O'Connor is only twenty-five years old. He'll be around for years and years and years. Good times. 8)
Boo f**king hoo, someone disagrees with your assessment of how good a player someone is.
O'Connor is massively over hyped and overrated. As I said yesterday, that he scored that point showed balls I didn't think he had. Mind you, he did foul the ball in the buildup...
A marquee forward? Catch yourself on. Any Mayo fans who say they'd trust COC to go out there and win them a tough game are talking complete balls.
I'd say COC had won Mayo quite a few tough games. You need balls of steal to kick frees in big matches in front of 10s of thousands and his conversion percentages speak for themselves and he does it time and time again. The entire Dublin forward division Inc subs couldn't outscore him yesterday. He's near enough the one forward in the country you could trust at the minute imo
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 19, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
Dublin went 6/23 from play (26%) and 3/8 from frees (38%).
Those stats just show how the media control the narrative. If Mayo had run up those sort of numbers they would be labelled 'bottlers'. Instead the narrative is that Dublin simply had an off day. Which is probably true as I think Dublin simply didn't play well enough on the day. Watching the match again I was surprised at just how mistakes Mayo made in possession as well. Both sides have a lot of room for improvement and I think conditions played a major factor in that.
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 12:50:33 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2016, 12:22:55 PM
The abuse directed at Cillian O'Connor makes me, as a Mayoman, really happy. This sort of stuff:
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
Isn't it brilliant? For years and years and years we've heard about there being no marquee forward in Mayo. Well, there by-God is now and just how impactful O'Connor is can measured by this sort of spluttering indignation. And you know the best thing? O'Connor is only twenty-five years old. He'll be around for years and years and years. Good times. 8)
Boo f**king hoo, someone disagrees with your assessment of how good a player someone is.
O'Connor is massively over hyped and overrated. As I said yesterday, that he scored that point showed balls I didn't think he had. Mind you, he did foul the ball in the buildup...
A marquee forward? Catch yourself on. Any Mayo fans who say they'd trust COC to go out there and win them a tough game are talking complete balls.
As a neutral it appears as though you are letting your obvious hatred for O'Connor skew your opinion. Whatever you think about O'Connor he certainly doesn't lack balls. He doesn't run up big tallies from play but as a free taker he is among the most reliable in the country. Rock misfired for Dublin yesterday in a way that O'Connor didn't but that doesn't mean he lacked the balls either, just simply had an off day. It happens sometimes.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 19, 2016, 01:23:14 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 19, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
Dublin went 6/23 from play (26%) and 3/8 from frees (38%).
Those stats just show how the media control the narrative. If Mayo had run up those sort of numbers they would be labelled 'bottlers'. Instead the narrative is that Dublin simply had an off day. Which is probably true as I think Dublin simply didn't play well enough on the day. Watching the match again I was surprised at just how mistakes Mayo made in possession as well. Both sides have a lot of room for improvement and I think conditions played a major factor in that.
Except most of the Dublin lads have multiple Celtic crosses so they are hardly going to be called bottlers. Mayo haven't any and until they do the rest of us will doubt them
Quote from: yellowcard on September 19, 2016, 01:26:34 PM
As a neutral it appears as though you are letting your obvious hatred for O'Connor skew your opinion. Whatever you think about O'Connor he certainly doesn't lack balls. He doesn't run up big tallies from play but as a free taker he is among the most reliable in the country. Rock misfired for Dublin yesterday in a way that O'Connor didn't but that doesn't mean he lacked the balls either, just simply had an off day. It happens sometimes.
I don't hate him - I don't know the man, how on earth could I hate him?! I just don't rate him as an elite footballer.
My labelling him as a coward was to do with the sneaky, dirty hits he frequently utilises as part of his game. Part of his game that was, incidentally, on show yesterday.
€60 a ticket for stand! Why is it not €50 like the Hurling replays? >:(
Quote from: yellowcard on September 19, 2016, 01:23:14 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 19, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
Dublin went 6/23 from play (26%) and 3/8 from frees (38%).
Those stats just show how the media control the narrative. If Mayo had run up those sort of numbers they would be labelled 'bottlers'. Instead the narrative is that Dublin simply had an off day. Which is probably true as I think Dublin simply didn't play well enough on the day. Watching the match again I was surprised at just how mistakes Mayo made in possession as well. Both sides have a lot of room for improvement and I think conditions played a major factor in that.
The 6/23 also ignores the shots turned down. Once Kilkenny and Flynn had hit a wide a piece, they both refused to shoot any more!
At least Rock kept plugging away. Scored with his last two shots, one from play, one from a free and neither were gimmees.
COC last year was unbelieveable from frees. He's not going quite as well this year. Not sure, but I think the last point was his only one from play. But it was a class point, and should give him a huge confidence boost for next time. I think Diarmuid might be better left on the bench next time, he'd make a big impact as a sub I'd say.
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 12:50:33 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2016, 12:22:55 PM
The abuse directed at Cillian O'Connor makes me, as a Mayoman, really happy. This sort of stuff:
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 06:21:58 PM
O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in. He's a nasty little bollocks.
Isn't it brilliant? For years and years and years we've heard about there being no marquee forward in Mayo. Well, there by-God is now and just how impactful O'Connor is can measured by this sort of spluttering indignation. And you know the best thing? O'Connor is only twenty-five years old. He'll be around for years and years and years. Good times. 8)
Boo f**king hoo, someone disagrees with your assessment of how good a player someone is.
O'Connor is massively over hyped and overrated. As I said yesterday, that he scored that point showed balls I didn't think he had. Mind you, he did foul the ball in the buildup...
A marquee forward? Catch yourself on. Any Mayo fans who say they'd trust COC to go out there and win them a tough game are talking complete balls.
Give it to me, big boy. This is just exactly how I like it. Oh, yeah. ;D
Quote from: Hound on September 19, 2016, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 19, 2016, 01:23:14 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 19, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
Dublin went 6/23 from play (26%) and 3/8 from frees (38%).
Those stats just show how the media control the narrative. If Mayo had run up those sort of numbers they would be labelled 'bottlers'. Instead the narrative is that Dublin simply had an off day. Which is probably true as I think Dublin simply didn't play well enough on the day. Watching the match again I was surprised at just how mistakes Mayo made in possession as well. Both sides have a lot of room for improvement and I think conditions played a major factor in that.
The 6/23 also ignores the shots turned down. Once Kilkenny and Flynn had hit a wide a piece, they both refused to shoot any more!
At least Rock kept plugging away. Scored with his last two shots, one from play, one from a free and neither were gimmees.
COC last year was unbelieveable from frees. He's not going quite as well this year. Not sure, but I think the last point was his only one from play. But it was a class point, and should give him a huge confidence boost for next time. I think Diarmuid might be better left on the bench next time, he'd make a big impact as a sub I'd say.
Cillian scored as many points from play as all of the Dublin forwards did, i.e. 2. Gallsman's constant cowardly posts attacking him are emabarrasing. Mayo forwards all tackle on, or just beyond, the rules. This is a strategy where the reward (turnover very high up the pitch) greatly exceeds the risk (free out).
Cillian has showed massive bottle many times, not least in the drawn game against Dublin last year when he scored the very late penalty. His equaliser yesterday, selling a dummy with a greasy ball, on a pitch where quality players like Diarmuid Connelly and Kevin McMenamin couldn't keep their feet, was top class.
Regarding the game, I hate the black card and I think McCarthy was another unfortunate victim of a daft rule.
I thought John Small was the Dubs best player and that Andrews should be starting ahead of about 3 of their forwards.
Part of me wants to say Dublin would have won if they had a marquee forward, but that would just sound like a cheap insult to some great amateur exponents of our game.
For us, Harrison, Durcan and Vaughan were excellent. Doherty was good while Cillian and Andy played well at times, but not consistently.
One feature of recent Dublin v Mayo matches is that when each team gets a run on the other, they score heavily. We did that after halftime, but strangely the Dubs didn't seem to get one of those purple patches. I'd be surprised if that happens the next day.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2016, 02:29:49 PM
Give it to me, big boy. This is just exactly how I like it. Oh, yeah. ;D
Sigh. I thought you might actually be interested, oddly enough, in a discussion.
anyone know about Alan Dillons injury?
FFs to COC. When he first came on the scene I never thought he was that great and that his scoring rate was more down to the circumstance he found himself in than anything else.
But hes proved that to be complete bollocks, I also thought he may be a bit of a soft touch but he's proved that BS too.
Gallsman seems to have had the same opinion as I did but wants to hold on to it despite the player in question proving it wrong again and again
His brother on the other hand looks like a good footballer but hasnt proved it at all yet from what I have seen of him, and has done nothing to warrrant on the praise heaped on him
Most of us said before this game that Mayo had to really get into Dublin's faces and get physical with them and it looks like this is exactly what they did. They had huge intensity in the tackle which certainly put the Dublin forwards off their game.
From an article in the Indo.
There was nearly a repeat of the infamous 'Mill at the Hill' from the 2006 meetings of the team as both panels rushed towards the bench for the pre-match photograph.
Mayo were supposed to take to the field first but John Casey of Midwest Radio revealed that Mayo waited in the tunnel for six minutes to confront the reigning champs as they took to the pitch.
He claimed that Aidan O'Shea and Kevin McManamon were 'swinging at each other' as they crossed the field from the Hogan to the Cusack side.
I'm sure the program said Dublin were supposed to take the field first.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2016, 03:18:22 PM
I'm sure the program said Dublin were supposed to take the field first.
as am I, the programme said that Dublin were to be out first then two minutes later Mayo, but i heard someone saying Dublin were delayed.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2016, 03:18:22 PM
I'm sure the program said Dublin were supposed to take the field first.
as am I, the programme said that Dublin were to be out first then two minutes later Mayo, but i heard someone saying Dublin were delayed.
Delayed? Jaysus, wait until the bus strike on the 1st, they'll not be able to make it there at all!
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 19, 2016, 03:15:39 PM
FFs to COC. When he first came on the scene I never thought he was that great and that his scoring rate was more down to the circumstance he found himself in than anything else.
But hes proved that to be complete bollocks, I also thought he may be a bit of a soft touch but he's proved that BS too.
Gallsman seems to have had the same opinion as I did but wants to hold on to it despite the player in question proving it wrong again and again
His brother on the other hand looks like a good footballer but hasnt proved it at all yet from what I have seen of him, and has done nothing to warrrant on the praise heaped on him
When has he proved it wrong again and again? Diarmuid is a vastly superior footballer and has shown in repeatedly in his shorter career to date.
Quote from: thebackbar1 on September 19, 2016, 03:25:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2016, 03:18:22 PM
I'm sure the program said Dublin were supposed to take the field first.
as am I, the programme said that Dublin were to be out first then two minutes later Mayo, but i heard someone saying Dublin were delayed.
Yeah, Dublin were definitely due out first and were ~4 mins late coming out
Quote from: muppet on September 19, 2016, 02:59:18 PM
One feature of recent Dublin v Mayo matches is that when each team gets a run on the other, they score heavily. We did that after halftime, but strangely the Dubs didn't seem to get one of those purple patches. I'd be surprised if that happens the next day.
Thats something Ive noticed more and more in the tight games between the top teams lately. Kinda like Ozzie rules
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Quote from: thebackbar1 on September 19, 2016, 03:25:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2016, 03:18:22 PM
I'm sure the program said Dublin were supposed to take the field first.
as am I, the programme said that Dublin were to be out first then two minutes later Mayo, but i heard someone saying Dublin were delayed.
Yeah, Dublin were definitely due out first and were ~4 mins late coming out
It looked to me that both sets of players were trying to get to the bench for the team photo first.
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2016, 02:29:49 PM
Give it to me, big boy. This is just exactly how I like it. Oh, yeah. ;D
Sigh. I thought you might actually be interested, oddly enough, in a discussion.
How about a kick in the balls instead, discussion my hole, all you want to do is spew invective against a great player.
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 03:29:12 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 19, 2016, 03:15:39 PM
FFs to COC. When he first came on the scene I never thought he was that great and that his scoring rate was more down to the circumstance he found himself in than anything else.
But hes proved that to be complete bollocks, I also thought he may be a bit of a soft touch but he's proved that BS too.
Gallsman seems to have had the same opinion as I did but wants to hold on to it despite the player in question proving it wrong again and again
His brother on the other hand looks like a good footballer but hasnt proved it at all yet from what I have seen of him, and has done nothing to warrrant on the praise heaped on him
When has he proved it wrong again and again? Diarmuid is a vastly superior footballer and has shown in repeatedly in his shorter career to date.
Despite your denials, for some strange reason you really do hate him don't you.
Quote from: Mac2 on September 19, 2016, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2016, 02:29:49 PM
Give it to me, big boy. This is just exactly how I like it. Oh, yeah. ;D
Sigh. I thought you might actually be interested, oddly enough, in a discussion.
How about a kick in the balls instead, discussion my hole, all you want to do is spew invective against a great player.
Hes a good player not a great player to be fair
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 03:29:12 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 19, 2016, 03:15:39 PM
FFs to COC. When he first came on the scene I never thought he was that great and that his scoring rate was more down to the circumstance he found himself in than anything else.
But hes proved that to be complete bollocks, I also thought he may be a bit of a soft touch but he's proved that BS too.
Gallsman seems to have had the same opinion as I did but wants to hold on to it despite the player in question proving it wrong again and again
His brother on the other hand looks like a good footballer but hasnt proved it at all yet from what I have seen of him, and has done nothing to warrrant on the praise heaped on him
When has he proved it wrong again and again? Diarmuid is a vastly superior footballer and has shown in repeatedly in his shorter career to date.
Imagine if COC missed that last point at the end. We'd never hear the end of it from gallsman!
Quote from: Mac2 on September 19, 2016, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2016, 02:29:49 PM
Give it to me, big boy. This is just exactly how I like it. Oh, yeah. ;D
Sigh. I thought you might actually be interested, oddly enough, in a discussion.
How about a kick in the balls instead, discussion my hole, all you want to do is spew invective against a great player.
Woohoo, another one! I had no idea COC had such a large fan club! Invective? I'm impressed you know what the word even means. Pray tell, what invective have I been spewing?
A "great" footballer?! f**k me, maybe that's why Mayo can't win things. Considering that as great. Great my f**king hole. Tell me what other players you think are great and who he ranks alongside
Quote from: yellowcard on September 19, 2016, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 03:29:12 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 19, 2016, 03:15:39 PM
FFs to COC. When he first came on the scene I never thought he was that great and that his scoring rate was more down to the circumstance he found himself in than anything else.
But hes proved that to be complete bollocks, I also thought he may be a bit of a soft touch but he's proved that BS too.
Gallsman seems to have had the same opinion as I did but wants to hold on to it despite the player in question proving it wrong again and again
His brother on the other hand looks like a good footballer but hasnt proved it at all yet from what I have seen of him, and has done nothing to warrrant on the praise heaped on him
When has he proved it wrong again and again? Diarmuid is a vastly superior footballer and has shown in repeatedly in his shorter career to date.
Despite your denials, for some strange reason you really do hate him don't you.
How about you just answer the f**king question? Is he your mate or something? Is that why you're so offended?! I don't hate him in the slightest. I don't know him and I don't give two fucks about him. I just don't think he's all that much of a footballer. Is that really that difficult to comprehend?!
He's no CJ McGourtey that's for sure but I think COC is a good forward more on a Dean Rock kinda level rather than a Bernard Brogan in his pomp (he was poor yesterday). I like that devilment in him too don't see much wrong with it though the yapping to the ref is annoying and should cut that crap out.
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 03:57:23 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 19, 2016, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 03:29:12 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 19, 2016, 03:15:39 PM
FFs to COC. When he first came on the scene I never thought he was that great and that his scoring rate was more down to the circumstance he found himself in than anything else.
But hes proved that to be complete bollocks, I also thought he may be a bit of a soft touch but he's proved that BS too.
Gallsman seems to have had the same opinion as I did but wants to hold on to it despite the player in question proving it wrong again and again
His brother on the other hand looks like a good footballer but hasnt proved it at all yet from what I have seen of him, and has done nothing to warrrant on the praise heaped on him
When has he proved it wrong again and again? Diarmuid is a vastly superior footballer and has shown in repeatedly in his shorter career to date.
Despite your denials, for some strange reason you really do hate him don't you.
How about you just answer the f**king question? Is he your mate or something? Is that why you're so offended?! I don't hate him in the slightest. I don't know him and I don't give two f**ks about him. I just don't think he's all that much of a footballer. Is that really that difficult to comprehend?!
Calm down, I'm not offended in the slightest and no he is not my mate. I don't even know him. Ok that's that cleared up then. You think he's an average footballer, I think he's one of the most consistent scorers and reliable freetakers in the country, we agree to disagree.
He's an excellent free taker. I don't dispute it. I don't think that makes a great footballer.
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 03:55:23 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on September 19, 2016, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2016, 02:29:49 PM
Give it to me, big boy. This is just exactly how I like it. Oh, yeah. ;D
Sigh. I thought you might actually be interested, oddly enough, in a discussion.
How about a kick in the balls instead, discussion my hole, all you want to do is spew invective against a great player.
Woohoo, another one! I had no idea COC had such a large fan club! Invective? I'm impressed you know what the word even means. Pray tell, what invective have I been spewing?
A "great" footballer?! f**k me, maybe that's why Mayo can't win things. Considering that as great. Great my f**king hole. Tell me what other players you think are great and who he ranks alongside
You're looking for rational discussion after abusing a player and you're too dense to recognise it?
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 03:29:12 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 19, 2016, 03:15:39 PM
FFs to COC. When he first came on the scene I never thought he was that great and that his scoring rate was more down to the circumstance he found himself in than anything else.
But hes proved that to be complete bollocks, I also thought he may be a bit of a soft touch but he's proved that BS too.
Gallsman seems to have had the same opinion as I did but wants to hold on to it despite the player in question proving it wrong again and again
His brother on the other hand looks like a good footballer but hasnt proved it at all yet from what I have seen of him, and has done nothing to warrrant on the praise heaped on him
When has he proved it wrong again and again? Diarmuid is a vastly superior footballer and has shown in repeatedly in his shorter career to date.
By his scoring rate season in season out...
Diarmuid looks quality but I've never seen him prove it with end results.
ON another note Kilkenny was pure shite yesterday
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 19, 2016, 03:52:47 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on September 19, 2016, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2016, 02:29:49 PM
Give it to me, big boy. This is just exactly how I like it. Oh, yeah. ;D
Sigh. I thought you might actually be interested, oddly enough, in a discussion.
How about a kick in the balls instead, discussion my hole, all you want to do is spew invective against a great player.
Hes a good player not a great player to be fair
I'd beg to differ. He's a great player right now. You do realise how important a free taker is, yes? Tyrone may well have been in yesterdays final if they had a free taker 1/2 as good and consistent as COC. Men like COC are as rare as hen's teeth and vitally important to any team with aspirations of winning the AI. To continuously rake up the scores under serious pressure time and time again puts him the great category for me. With all the resources Dublin have at their disposal, Jim Gavin carries a free taker ie Dean Rock. Very average in general play but an ace marksman.
7th minute of injury-time, a point down and not playing particularly well and he does this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38)
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 19, 2016, 04:10:35 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 03:29:12 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 19, 2016, 03:15:39 PM
FFs to COC. When he first came on the scene I never thought he was that great and that his scoring rate was more down to the circumstance he found himself in than anything else.
But hes proved that to be complete bollocks, I also thought he may be a bit of a soft touch but he's proved that BS too.
Gallsman seems to have had the same opinion as I did but wants to hold on to it despite the player in question proving it wrong again and again
His brother on the other hand looks like a good footballer but hasnt proved it at all yet from what I have seen of him, and has done nothing to warrrant on the praise heaped on him
When has he proved it wrong again and again? Diarmuid is a vastly superior footballer and has shown in repeatedly in his shorter career to date.
By his scoring rate season in season out...
Diarmuid looks quality but I've never seen him prove it with end results.
He was very good in the two games v Dublin last year, 2 points from play in both games I think
Watching the match again and Gavin will have selection issues for the replay. He cannot continue to keep starting Flynn as he is keeping his place purely on his reputation but has dropped way below his previous level now for sometime. Brogan is another player who must be under pressure and I'd imagine that Andrews will be difficult to keep out after his display off the bench.
Quote from: muppet on September 19, 2016, 04:16:00 PM
7th minute of injury-time, a point down and not playing particularly well and he does this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38)
could that of been a free in for picking the ball off the ground ? it would of been a very big call
Surely Paddy Andrews has to start. He's been good all year, and he's not the sort of lad that is better 'coming off the bench'. His movement is a lot better than Bernard Brogan's at this stage.
Quote from: thebackbar1 on September 19, 2016, 04:20:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 19, 2016, 04:16:00 PM
7th minute of injury-time, a point down and not playing particularly well and he does this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38)
could that of been a free in for picking the ball off the ground ? it would of been a very big call
Wasn't there a very similar incident in the final Tyrone were involved in back in the 90's?
Quote from: yellowcard on September 19, 2016, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: thebackbar1 on September 19, 2016, 04:20:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 19, 2016, 04:16:00 PM
7th minute of injury-time, a point down and not playing particularly well and he does this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38)
could that of been a free in for picking the ball off the ground ? it would of been a very big call
Wasn't there a very similar incident in the final Tyrone were involved in back in the 90's?
Yes, because that's relevant here, isn't it?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2016, 04:23:25 PM
Surely Paddy Andrews has to start. He's been good all year, and he's not the sort of lad that is better 'coming off the bench'. His movement is a lot better than Bernard Brogan's at this stage.
That black James McCarthy got was unfortunate from a Mayo pov. Andrews scored 0-3 I think towards the end of the first half. Critical in the overall outcome.
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 04:25:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 19, 2016, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: thebackbar1 on September 19, 2016, 04:20:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 19, 2016, 04:16:00 PM
7th minute of injury-time, a point down and not playing particularly well and he does this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38)
could that of been a free in for picking the ball off the ground ? it would of been a very big call
Wasn't there a very similar incident in the final Tyrone were involved in back in the 90's?
Yes, because that's relevant here, isn't it?
Your really deperate for a row now at this stage. I'm not going to oblige you.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 19, 2016, 04:27:37 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 04:25:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 19, 2016, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: thebackbar1 on September 19, 2016, 04:20:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 19, 2016, 04:16:00 PM
7th minute of injury-time, a point down and not playing particularly well and he does this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38)
could that of been a free in for picking the ball off the ground ? it would of been a very big call
Wasn't there a very similar incident in the final Tyrone were involved in back in the 90's?
Yes, because that's relevant here, isn't it?
Your really deperate for a row now at this stage. I'm not going to oblige you.
I'm not looking for a row at all - just pointing out the obvious. Topic under discussion was the 2016 All Ireland between Mayo and Dublin and the role of O'Connor. You bring up Tyrone from the 90s. To what end?
Cillian O Connor failed to score from play in the 2012,2013 Al finals at least he scored twice yesterday the first one came from a Cluxton mistake while the second one was up there with one of the best ever points from play in AI final. Now he had the element of luck because he really should have received a black card minutes earlier and if Mayo win the replay it could well be the grain of rice that tipped the scales for them.
His younger brother Diarmuid is a different type of player and probably a better all round footballer but he has a bit to go before he establishes himself as key county senior footballer like Cillian has these last 6 years.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2016, 04:23:25 PM
Surely Paddy Andrews has to start. He's been good all year, and he's not the sort of lad that is better 'coming off the bench'. His movement is a lot better than Bernard Brogan's at this stage.
Andrews obviously enjoys playing against Mayo.
Got 5 from play in the replay last year I think.
Definite starter.
Quote from: Mac2 on September 19, 2016, 04:09:45 PM
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Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 19, 2016, 02:29:49 PM
Give it to me, big boy. This is just exactly how I like it. Oh, yeah. ;D
Sigh. I thought you might actually be interested, oddly enough, in a discussion.
How about a kick in the balls instead, discussion my hole, all you want to do is spew invective against a great player.
Woohoo, another one! I had no idea COC had such a large fan club! Invective? I'm impressed you know what the word even means. Pray tell, what invective have I been spewing?
A "great" footballer?! f**k me, maybe that's why Mayo can't win things. Considering that as great. Great my f**king hole. Tell me what other players you think are great and who he ranks alongside
You're looking for rational discussion after abusing a player and you're too dense to recognise it?
Right, so now it's abuse to express an opinion on the quality of a footballer or express dislike of aspects of their playing style. Yet you offer me "a kick in the balls". But I'm the one who's dense. Well done.
As for looking for rational discussion, it's a discussion board, that's exactly what I'm looking for. Shouldn't be that much of a surprise. I can't legislate for the utter idiocy of some though, so I guess I was a bit naive there.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 19, 2016, 04:38:44 PM
Cillian O Connor failed to score from play in the 2012,2013 Al finals at least he scored twice yesterday the first one came from a Cluxton mistake while the second one was up there with one of the best ever points from play in AI final. Now he had the element of luck because he really should have received a black card minutes earlier and if Mayo win the replay it could well be the grain of rice that tipped the scales for them.
His younger brother Diarmuid is a different type of player and probably a better all round footballer but he has a bit to go before he establishes himself as key county senior footballer like Cillian has these last 6 years.
I wonder if a fully fit Diarmuid O'Connor would ultimately be best suited to a midfield role.
He has a similar physique to Brian Fenton and should even fill out a bit more over the next year or so.
Has the running power and football brain to play that role very effectively in my opinion.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2016, 04:46:11 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 19, 2016, 04:38:44 PM
Cillian O Connor failed to score from play in the 2012,2013 Al finals at least he scored twice yesterday the first one came from a Cluxton mistake while the second one was up there with one of the best ever points from play in AI final. Now he had the element of luck because he really should have received a black card minutes earlier and if Mayo win the replay it could well be the grain of rice that tipped the scales for them.
His younger brother Diarmuid is a different type of player and probably a better all round footballer but he has a bit to go before he establishes himself as key county senior footballer like Cillian has these last 6 years.
I wonder if a fully fit Diarmuid O'Connor would ultimately be best suited to a midfield role.
He has a similar physique to Brian Fenton and should even fill out a bit more over the next year or so.
Has the running power and football brain to play that role very effectively in my opinion.
Don't think so, Diarmuid played midfield at minor and U21 level and it never really suited him. Brian Fenton is natural modern midfielder and at his young age is going to better in that position.
What height is Diarmiud O'Connor? Wouldn't have thought he was big enough. Fenton is a big guy and probably considerably more powerful than he looks.
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Give it to me, big boy. This is just exactly how I like it. Oh, yeah. ;D
Sigh. I thought you might actually be interested, oddly enough, in a discussion.
How about a kick in the balls instead, discussion my hole, all you want to do is spew invective against a great player.
Woohoo, another one! I had no idea COC had such a large fan club! Invective? I'm impressed you know what the word even means. Pray tell, what invective have I been spewing?
A "great" footballer?! f**k me, maybe that's why Mayo can't win things. Considering that as great. Great my f**king hole. Tell me what other players you think are great and who he ranks alongside
You're looking for rational discussion after abusing a player and you're too dense to recognise it?
Right, so now it's abuse to express an opinion on the quality of a footballer or express dislike of aspects of their playing style. Yet you offer me "a kick in the balls". But I'm the one who's dense. Well done.
As for looking for rational discussion, it's a discussion board, that's exactly what I'm looking for. Shouldn't be that much of a surprise. I can't legislate for the utter idiocy of some though, so I guess I was a bit naive there.
Below is you expressing an 'opinion' as you call it, no abuse there are you for real?
"O'Connor is most certainly a coward. As mentioned previously, he's a bad f**ker for sneaky hits off the ball. While he was hit a nasty wraparound by McAuley, it a only came after he tried to throw the shoulder in.
He's a nasty little bollocks."
Which if you've the ability to read between the lines (you clearly don't), you can clearly see is a statement in relation to his style of play, particularly given that the phrase in bold follows discussion of, you know, his style of play. He is very much a nasty little bollocks of a footballer, always throwing sly, late hits in.
Whether he's a nasty little bollocks of a human being, I've no idea. I've certainly never heard anything to suggest it, nor do I have any reason to.
Take your faux outrage somewhere else. But please, only after you elaborate on his greatness.
Oh I see he's only a nasty bollocks of a footballer, that's alright then, ffs cop on would you.
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 05:22:15 PM
Which if you've the ability to read between the lines (you clearly don't), you can clearly see is a statement in relation to his style of play, particularly given that the phrase in bold follows discussion of, you know, his style of play. He is very much a nasty little bollocks of a footballer, always throwing sly, late hits in.
Whether he's a nasty little bollocks of a human being, I've no idea. I've certainly never heard anything to suggest it, nor do I have any reason to.
Take your faux outrage somewhere else. But please, only after you elaborate on his greatness.
You've called him a coward and a nasty little bollocks. That's not discussion or assessment of him as a footballer. That's abuse, so why don't you take it somewhere else? You're contributing nothing.
I give up. He's an outstanding footballer. A real leader of men on the field. Pin all your hopes and dreams on him for the replay and see how far it goes. As I said, any of you pretending you have faith in him to go out and drag you to an all-Ireland are talking through your holes.
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 05:34:02 PM
I give up. He's an outstanding footballer. A real of men on the field. Pin all your hopes and dreams on him for the replay and see how far it goes. As I said, any of you pretending you have faith in him to go out and drag you to an all-Ireland are talking through your holes.
Well without his last minute point yesterday, the Dublin homecoming would be in full swing around now, so you sound more likely to be talking through your hole. Good luck.
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 05:22:15 PM
Which if you've the ability to read between the lines (you clearly don't), you can clearly see is a statement in relation to his style of play, particularly given that the phrase in bold follows discussion of, you know, his style of play. He is very much a nasty little bollocks of a footballer, always throwing sly, late hits in.
Whether he's a nasty little bollocks of a human being, I've no idea. I've certainly never heard anything to suggest it, nor do I have any reason to.
Take your faux outrage somewhere else. But please, only after you elaborate on his greatness.
No lad its you that's the nasty little bollix and a cowardly p***k spewing your abuse from behind a keyboard. You are totally ignoring facts re Cillian O'Connor to get across some sort of personal agenda
Ps. Dont take offence. Im just forming this opinion from your posts. Nothing against you as I dont know you
Even if the Dubs win the next day I think Jim Gavin will resign. He can't bring them on much.
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 05:34:02 PM
I give up. He's an outstanding footballer. A real leader of men on the field. Pin all your hopes and dreams on him for the replay and see how far it goes. As I said, any of you pretending you have faith in him to go out and drag you to an all-Ireland are talking through your holes.
He actually is those things though. You know, I've come across a few people (mostly Dubs) who seem to have a completely irrational hatred of the O'Connor lad and seem to take it in an oddly personal way when he does well. It also leads to them ignoring blatant facts about him. He regularly does his part for Mayo, even if only as a free-taker, and does seem to be a genuine leader within the team. He's one of the steeliest players in the game right now, very mentally strong and regularly takes responsibility when the game is in the melting pot. He's an intelligent kid. Does he have a mischevious streak? Most definitely, as all top inter-county players should and do have. He's a great man to have on your side, probably frustrating to play against. If Mayo finish the job, which I think they will, you can be sure O'Connor will have had something to do with it.
Quote from: muppet on September 19, 2016, 04:16:00 PM
7th minute of injury-time, a point down and not playing particularly well and he does this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38)
After receiving a lay off from AO'S, who's not supposed to do things like that.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 19, 2016, 05:05:24 PM
What height is Diarmiud O'Connor? Wouldn't have thought he was big enough. Fenton is a big guy and probably considerably more powerful than he looks.
Fenton has the knack of being tall but plays with the elegance of someone less tall.
A majority of hill 16 dubs are tinkers amd hate both cillian and aido in a soccer fan type style. Of course ye will now rubbish this as completely untrue " youre a fookin c u n t" diry horrible sc**bag" just two examples from the hill 16 dubs who are without question tinkers.
Malachy Clerkin: A collective stinker from Dublin forwards
It had never occurred to anyone that Mayo's forwards would outscore the Dublin ones
about 8 hours ago
Malachy Clerkin at Croke Park
With the clock rolling at 76 minutes and Dublin a point ahead, the ball went out off a Mayo toe under the Hogan Stand. Ciarán Kilkenny went over to collect it, but by the time he turned around to look to play it short, Diarmuid Connolly had all but tackled him to the ground. Kilkenny wanted to play a short one and keep possession but Connolly was having none of it.
The shot went wide and Mayo saved the day from the kickout, but it was easy enough to forgive Connolly his indulgence. For one of the only times all day he had a chance to shoot at the posts without Lee Keegan velcroed to his side.
It summed up the sort of day the Dublin forwards had. Couldn't do right for doing wrong. We looked at this game from a thousand different angles in the build-up and not once did it occur to anyone that the Mayo forwards would outscore the Dublin ones.
Or that the return from Bernard Brogan, Kevin McManamon, Paul Flynn and Ciarán Kilkenny would be zero points. Mad stuff.
A Dublin team malfunctioning as an attacking unit hasn't been seen around these parts since the Celtic Tiger was in full cry. Even accounting for the rain and the underfoot conditions, even giving full credit to the Mayo defence, this was a collective stinker. Including substitutes, nine Dublin forwards took 22 shots at the posts and returned a meagre 0-7.
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Exempt from all criticism must be Paddy Andrews, who came off the bench 10 minutes before half time when James McCarthy was black carded and kicked two splendid points into the Canal End, one from either wing. Mayo shackled him better in the second half, yet his chance of a start in the replay must have sky-rocketed.
Paul Mannion, pacy and dangerous in possession when he came on, must be in with a shout as well.
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Dean Rock had a terrible day, kicking four wides and dropping two short. Normally such a done deal from placed balls, he missed three frees and a 45. To his enduring credit, he nailed a fine score in the 52nd minute to help stop the bleeding after Mayo had come out and scored the first five points of the second half. But he must be under pressure now.
And what of Brogan? Dublin's leading scorer (either jointly or alone) in each of their three All-Ireland finals, he was anonymous here. His main contribution was to toe-poke the ball goalwards en route to Kevin McLoughlin's own goal but otherwise he was silenced by Brendan Harrison. He took two shots at the posts – one went wide, one dropped on the 20-metre line.
Flynn made little impression. McManamon was the first man called ashore. Kilkenny had to do a stint at wing-back after McCarthy walked. Dublin's best performers in attack were runners from deep – Brian Fenton in the first half, John Small in the second.
Connolly and Keegan essentially reduced this to a 28-man game, alkali to the other's acid all afternoon. Connolly was reduced to three shots in total – that sideline ball at the end, a first half-effort that was blocked by Seamie O'Shea and a 69th-minute point from a botched David Clarke kickout. Mayo would have happily taken that beforehand.
The own goals kept Dublin in the game. Mayo reacted well to both of them, scoring the next point each time. And squeezing ever tighter on the Dublin forwards. "There is going to be setbacks," said Keegan afterwards. "When you're playing a team of the quality of Dublin there are going to be setbacks regardless of how well you're going or not going.
Huge positive
"The goals were what they were, but we had a very good start to the first half and we held them scoreless points-wise for 20 minutes or so, so that's a huge positive for us.
"The Dublin forward line is built up to be one of the best there is out there, and I thought we did well as a unit and, look, in the second half we only conceded four [it was actually five] points. The stats are pretty good on our behalf but it's not the result we wanted."
Maybe not but as a defensive unit their day couldn't have worked out much better.
For the Dublin forwards it couldn't have been any worse.
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And finally.... can Mayo expect an allocation of tickets for the central section of Hill 16 for the replay with Dub supporters split in the peripheral sections, i.e.: the reverse of today? No, of course not. What was I thinking
Another urban myth.
There is no segregation on the Hill.
Supporters naturally gravitate towards their own colours, so you get clusters of supporters in particular areas. I was on the centre of the Hill behind the goalposts. During the minor game there were groups of Mayo lads around us but they all gradually moved across to where the bulk of the Mayo supporters had positioned themselves.
Maybe so, but in this instance probably the smell of hay was much more attractive than the smell of urine.
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Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 19, 2016, 12:39:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 12:24:13 AM
And finally.... can Mayo expect an allocation of tickets for the central section of Hill 16 for the replay with Dub supporters split in the peripheral sections, i.e.: the reverse of today? No, of course not. What was I thinking
Another urban myth.
There is no segregation on the Hill.
Supporters naturally gravitate towards their own colours, so you get clusters of supporters in particular areas. I was on the centre of the Hill behind the goalposts. During the minor game there were groups of Mayo lads around us but they all gradually moved across to where the bulk of the Mayo supporters had positioned themselves.
Maybe so, but in this instance probably the smell of hay was much more attractive than the smell of urine.
Dublin fans very subdued yesterday I felt. Years of success and pummelling teams at will would do that i suppose.
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Quote from: muppet on September 19, 2016, 04:16:00 PM
7th minute of injury-time, a point down and not playing particularly well and he does this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UCjXpOQQX38)
After receiving a lay off from AO'S, who's not supposed to do things like that.
Did you not see the shot he attempted just before that? ;D
Even Aidan O'Shea would have realised he needed to pass the ball to someone else after that.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2016, 07:19:16 PM
A majority of hill 16 dubs are tinkers amd hate both cillian and aido in a soccer fan type style. Of course ye will now rubbish this as completely untrue " youre a fookin c u n t" diry horrible sc**bag" just two examples from the hill 16 dubs who are without question tinkers.
You've a problem.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 19, 2016, 07:33:06 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 19, 2016, 07:27:19 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 19, 2016, 12:39:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 12:24:13 AM
And finally.... can Mayo expect an allocation of tickets for the central section of Hill 16 for the replay with Dub supporters split in the peripheral sections, i.e.: the reverse of today? No, of course not. What was I thinking
Another urban myth.
There is no segregation on the Hill.
Supporters naturally gravitate towards their own colours, so you get clusters of supporters in particular areas. I was on the centre of the Hill behind the goalposts. During the minor game there were groups of Mayo lads around us but they all gradually moved across to where the bulk of the Mayo supporters had positioned themselves.
Maybe so, but in this instance probably the smell of hay was much more attractive than the smell of urine.
Dublin fans very subdued yesterday I felt. Years of success and pummelling teams at will would do that i suppose.
I thought that myself.......however Mayo out numbered us Dubs and bar the central section behind the goals on hill16 ..........Mayo had the pick of the seats..................no complaints on the day and happy with the draw
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2016, 07:19:16 PM
A majority of hill 16 dubs are tinkers amd hate both cillian and aido in a soccer fan type style. Of course ye will now rubbish this as completely untrue " youre a fookin c u n t" diry horrible sc**bag" just two examples from the hill 16 dubs who are without question tinkers.
You've a problem.
Noose signals and thumb dragged across neck signaled at myself and kids from some lovely Mayo buckos...............cop on there is good and bad in every county
If the rumours emanating from the post match 'feed' in the Croke Park Hotel are true, then it could get nasty in 12 days time.
Go on Farr, spill the beans.
Feel free to use the word 'allegedly' as much as you want.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 19, 2016, 09:17:39 PM
If the rumours emanating from the post match 'feed' in the Croke Park Hotel are true, then it could get nasty in 12 days time.
Go on....
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 19, 2016, 09:17:39 PM
If the rumours emanating from the post match 'feed' in the Croke Park Hotel are true, then it could get nasty in 12 days time.
lovely pic of Princess OShea circulating now going full contact out of the tunnel.........hopefully investigated too :-X ???
Jesus you're great men at writing a post without putting any f**king proof into it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Csvij8UWYAANtOZ.jpg:large)
Wonder what Bastick did in the few seconds before this was taken.
;D
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 19, 2016, 12:39:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 12:24:13 AM
And finally.... can Mayo expect an allocation of tickets for the central section of Hill 16 for the replay with Dub supporters split in the peripheral sections, i.e.: the reverse of today? No, of course not. What was I thinking
Another urban myth.
There is no segregation on the Hill.
Supporters naturally gravitate towards their own colours, so you get clusters of supporters in particular areas. I was on the centre of the Hill behind the goalposts. During the minor game there were groups of Mayo lads around us but they all gradually moved across to where the bulk of the Mayo supporters had positioned themselves.
So Hill tickets that say "Nally terrace" allow you to mingle anywhere on the Hill ??
Who was having the 'feed' in the Croke Park Hotel anyway?
Mayo were in CityWest and Dublin always go to the Gibson.
Farr, explain yourself quick before I report you to the mods.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2016, 09:53:26 PM
Who was having the 'feed' in the Croke Park Hotel anyway?
Mayo were in CityWest and Dublin always go to the Gibson.
Farr, explain yourself quick before I report you to the mods.
There was no row between players in the Croke Park hotel afterwards as they weren't there.
It's almost like he's talking a bunch of bullshit or something!
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0919/817634-dubs-delay/
Seems odd that Dublin would insist on coming out later than asked. Did they think there was some sort of psychological edge to be gained??
Quote from: ZeitChrist on September 19, 2016, 09:55:23 PM
It's almost like he's talking a bunch of bullshit or something!
He's like the Mayo version of Heffo.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2016, 09:57:52 PM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on September 19, 2016, 09:55:23 PM
It's almost like he's talking a bunch of bullshit or something!
He's like the Mayo version of Heffo.
Except I've never posted anything inaccurate
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2016, 09:57:52 PM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on September 19, 2016, 09:55:23 PM
It's almost like he's talking a bunch of bullshit or something!
He's like the Mayo version of Heffo.
Probably a tad more pessimistic than heffo. Sure I did say rumours and put it in bold.
Quote from: heffo on September 05, 2016, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 05, 2016, 08:16:06 AM
Any truth in the rumour Jim McGuinness is assisting the Mayo team on the run up to the final?
He's been with them since the start of last week
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2016, 09:58:56 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2016, 09:57:52 PM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on September 19, 2016, 09:55:23 PM
It's almost like he's talking a bunch of bullshit or something!
He's like the Mayo version of Heffo.
Except I've never posted anything inaccurate
Ahem ;D
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 09:41:32 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 19, 2016, 12:39:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 12:24:13 AM
And finally.... can Mayo expect an allocation of tickets for the central section of Hill 16 for the replay with Dub supporters split in the peripheral sections, i.e.: the reverse of today? No, of course not. What was I thinking
Another urban myth.
There is no segregation on the Hill.
Supporters naturally gravitate towards their own colours, so you get clusters of supporters in particular areas. I was on the centre of the Hill behind the goalposts. During the minor game there were groups of Mayo lads around us but they all gradually moved across to where the bulk of the Mayo supporters had positioned themselves.
So Hill tickets that say "Nally terrace" allow you to mingle anywhere on the Hill ??
The Nally terrace is not the Hill. I repeat - there is no segregation on the Hill. The support on the Nally terrace was fairly evenly divided between Mayo and Dublin supporters. The majority of Mayo supporters on the terraces were on the Hill. In fact many Mayo supporters in the Nally terrace climbed out and crossed the Hill to join the Mayo supporters on the far side of the Hill.
Get your facts right before concocting conspiracy theories.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 19, 2016, 10:04:03 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 09:41:32 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 19, 2016, 12:39:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 12:24:13 AM
And finally.... can Mayo expect an allocation of tickets for the central section of Hill 16 for the replay with Dub supporters split in the peripheral sections, i.e.: the reverse of today? No, of course not. What was I thinking
Another urban myth.
There is no segregation on the Hill.
Supporters naturally gravitate towards their own colours, so you get clusters of supporters in particular areas. I was on the centre of the Hill behind the goalposts. During the minor game there were groups of Mayo lads around us but they all gradually moved across to where the bulk of the Mayo supporters had positioned themselves.
So Hill tickets that say "Nally terrace" allow you to mingle anywhere on the Hill ??
The Nally terrace is not the Hill. I repeat - there is no segregation on the Hill. The support on the Nally terrace was fairly evenly divided between Mayo and Dublin supporters. The majority of Mayo supporters on the terraces were on the Hill. In fact many Mayo supporters in the Nally terrace climbed out and crossed the Hill to join the Mayo supporters on the far side of the Hill.
Get your facts right before concocting conspiracy theories.
OK, fair enough.
Not conspiracy theories .... i was just wrong.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 19, 2016, 09:17:39 PM
If the rumours emanating from the post match 'feed' in the Croke Park Hotel are true, then it could get nasty in 12 days time.
Familiarity breeds contempt.
Hopefully if it does kick off it won be the deciding of the game like it was in our replay 20 years ago.
I suspect that the referee is between Deegan and McQuillan. I'd prefer McQuillan as I fear Deegan would be a complete homer.
They cant let any of the Meath mafia near it surely?
What's the idea of that red arm / wrist bandage on some of the Dublin players yesterday? , Macauley and Andrews had them on.
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 10:11:37 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 19, 2016, 10:04:03 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 09:41:32 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 19, 2016, 12:39:55 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2016, 12:24:13 AM
And finally.... can Mayo expect an allocation of tickets for the central section of Hill 16 for the replay with Dub supporters split in the peripheral sections, i.e.: the reverse of today? No, of course not. What was I thinking
Another urban myth.
There is no segregation on the Hill.
Supporters naturally gravitate towards their own colours, so you get clusters of supporters in particular areas. I was on the centre of the Hill behind the goalposts. During the minor game there were groups of Mayo lads around us but they all gradually moved across to where the bulk of the Mayo supporters had positioned themselves.
So Hill tickets that say "Nally terrace" allow you to mingle anywhere on the Hill ??
The Nally terrace is not the Hill. I repeat - there is no segregation on the Hill. The support on the Nally terrace was fairly evenly divided between Mayo and Dublin supporters. The majority of Mayo supporters on the terraces were on the Hill. In fact many Mayo supporters in the Nally terrace climbed out and crossed the Hill to join the Mayo supporters on the far side of the Hill.
Get your facts right before concocting conspiracy theories.
OK, fair enough.
Not conspiracy theories .... i was just wrong.
Maith an fear ;)
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2016, 09:58:56 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2016, 09:57:52 PM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on September 19, 2016, 09:55:23 PM
It's almost like he's talking a bunch of bullshit or something!
He's like the Mayo version of Heffo.
Except I've never posted anything inaccurate
Until now, that is. ;D
Anyway I think he was talking about Indiana. That boyo is keeping very quiet at the moment but he's always good for a few off the wall posts at times like this.
Farr wouldn't hold the proverbial candle to him.
Yeah, where's Indiana?
I'd love to know what went wrong with the Dubs and he usually has the inside track.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2016, 10:35:52 PM
Yeah, where's Indiana?
I'd love to know what went wrong with the Dubs and he usually has the inside track.
He is in Lee Keegan's pocket. :D
I genuinely don't get the hatred coming for O'Connor from some corners. Yes, he has a bit of spite in his game but that is a nearly a prerequisite for a top forward operating at the highest level these days. His point on Sunday was pure class and perhaps, in a way, served to fuel a little frustration in those who watch him, as it highlights what he is capable of.
I personally think he is top drawer and said after Mayo beat Tyrone that if he swapped teams that day, we'd have been sitting in an All Ireland final.
Connolly and Keegan have been banging away at each other quite happily since the '13 final or maybe earlier.
If anyone with a copy of the video of this game is interested enough to go and check back to around the 10th minute of the game, an off-the-ball incident was picked up by a camera with Connolly standing behind Keegan, tugging the collar of his jersey. The bould Lee didn't turn around but he was using his elbow to dig Connolly in the stomach or at least to break his grip.
Bu I also saw a photo somewhere where the two lads were pictured shaking hands and apparently about to swap jerseys at the end of the game.
Leroy and Diarmuid are probably the most fascinating match up in the country at present and both are absolutely vital to their respective sides. He who gains the upper hand next day will finish up on the winning side.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2016, 10:35:52 PM
Yeah, where's Indiana?
I'd love to know what went wrong with the Dubs and he usually has the inside track.
On a bad day Indiana said Dublin would score 17 points at least. Only 9 points they scored yesterday and only Indiana can really describe what type of day that was for Dublin.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 19, 2016, 10:58:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2016, 10:35:52 PM
Yeah, where's Indiana?
I'd love to know what went wrong with the Dubs and he usually has the inside track.
On a bad day Indiana said Dublin would score 17 points at least. Only 9 points they scored yesterday and only Indiana can really describe what type of day that was for Dublin.
It was a bad day for positive thinking Dubs. They were so let down by the forwards. A lot of journalists were let down as well.
AIG were let down. A lot of players' dogs would have been very angry watching TSG
Here's the image I mentioned earlier. Is this a case of mutual respect or what?
(http://mayogodhelpus.com/lbom/keegan.png)
Great game yesterday.
For me the result was almost like a victory. Unlike 96' draw and they semi draws last 2 years which felt like losses. I know the general consensus is that we blew it but I think we rescued it after some of the worst set-backs a team could get.
However while the own goals were freakish, at the same time they resulted from Dublin pressure.
We had a few turn-overs with ball into ff line. That is acceptable because there is no way that Keegan, Durcan and Higgins can mark quality forwards and bomb up all the time as well. To be solid at the back we have to kick inside and hope for a break.
Mayo need to be more exact in possession overall.
One of my favourite players, Seamie O Sé had a meltdown of sorts in the second half when we had momentum and the Dubs got 2 scores of 4 his jitters.
Harsh, but that waywardness gave Dublin a foothold they should not have been given. A pivotal player can not afford to have a brain freeze like that if a team is going to win. It was surreal in a way. He was doing so much right; showing for ball, courageous, driving on, but ..... One of those things.
Seamie could have a mom game the next day.
Clarkey seemed to panic a bit after Small's point down the stretch as well and Dublin picked off 2 points from his kick-outs. He seemed to rush things, not realising that there is loads of 'injury' time now. Or Maybe it was just good Dublin pressure.
Mayo, as a result, ended up chasing a 3 point deficit at the end when it should have been only 1.
Well, got home earlier this evening after a great weekend in the capital. The craic was mighty Saturday night and the place was giddy with excitement, even the normally cool headed Dubs were a bit nervous and so that's how it played out on the pitch the following day.
It's a game I'm still thinking about, in all my year's following Mayo I've never seen such a half of football as that first half. Mayo were bullying Dublin who couldn't settle yet we were lacking in front of goal again. AOS persistently carrying the ball into the tackle and then losing it was frustrating, yes he was on the receiving end of some pulling and dragging but that's no excuse for not distributing the ball sooner instead of looking for a free all the time. I'd put him into ff the next day with Coen beside him.
I don't believe in curses but after the second og went in I began to doubt myself, I see the curse even made the BBC news home page
A fresh chance to banish the curse of Mayo - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37378935
Second half performance was again only middling, poor distribution again into the forwards along with some crazy unforced errors.
Defensively we were excellent especially Harrison and Durkan. Boyler not having a good year, I think time is catching up with him. Higgins will hopefully improve the next day.
Fenton had too much freedom, he needs to be marked. Also, I'd drop SOS for the next day.
It's a pity Dillon got injured when he did because I think we might have pinched it if his wise old head was on the field until the end, and last word to the other old head, Andy Moran. We'd have been well beaten but for him
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2016, 01:15:51 AM
Here's the image I mentioned earlier. Is this a case of mutual respect or what?
(http://mayogodhelpus.com/lbom/keegan.png)
They are like an ould married couple at this stage. They are sick of one another and row most of the time but at the end of the day they love each other!
Both great players. Let them belt away. I think referees have wisely realised to let them be for the most part.
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 20, 2016, 01:31:22 AM
Well, got home earlier this evening after a great weekend in the capital. The craic was mighty Saturday night and the place was giddy with excitement, even the normally cool headed Dubs were a bit nervous and so that's how it played out on the pitch the following day.
It's a game I'm still thinking about, in all my year's following Mayo I've never seen such a half of football as that first half. Mayo were bullying Dublin who couldn't settle yet we were lacking in front of goal again. AOS persistently carrying the ball into the tackle and then losing it was frustrating, yes he was on the receiving end of some pulling and dragging but that's no excuse for not distributing the ball sooner instead of looking for a free all the time. I'd put him into ff the next day with Coen beside him.
I don't believe in curses but after the second og went in I began to doubt myself, I see the curse even made the BBC news home page
A fresh chance to banish the curse of Mayo - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37378935
Second half performance was again only middling, poor distribution again into the forwards along with some crazy unforced errors.
Defensively we were excellent especially Harrison and Durkan. Boyler not having a good year, I think time is catching up with him. Higgins will hopefully improve the next day.
Fenton had too much freedom, he needs to be marked. Also, I'd drop SOS for the next day.
It's a pity Dillon got injured when he did because I think we might have pinched it if his wise old head was on the field until the end, and last word to the other old head, Andy Moran. We'd have been well beaten but for him
Boyle has been brilliant this year again. He was one of a few with drive in some of the earlier games. You don't want him doing a marking job in last line but he is some warrior as well as being a top footballer. Years left in him.
No way can Seamie be dropped. He had a bit of a meltdown and it was costly but he has to get back on track. There is no Gibbons and no way Barry would be able to go with Fenton. Higgins was fine. Things have changed. The way we are set up means he will not be attacking much.
Dillon is a worry however. Him going off was costly because he steadied things after Seamie's wobble and after he got injured we wobbled again. I'm hearing 2 things about Dillon. One that it was an impact injury and another that is possible knee ligament issue. If it's the former he should be fine. If it's the latter, strap him up to f**k for a last push for the summit.
I'd have left Andy on. He still looked fresh enough.
Bastick may have picked that late kick out off the ground but the hit by Regan on Bastick might have been good foul to give away because we were not well set. On the other hand Dublin were living off our mistakes all day and were unlikely to be able to push for winning score.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 19, 2016, 10:47:34 PM
Connolly and Keegan have been banging away at each other quite happily since the '13 final or maybe earlier.
If anyone with a copy of the video of this game is interested enough to go and check back to around the 10th minute of the game, an off-the-ball incident was picked up by a camera with Connolly standing behind Keegan, tugging the collar of his jersey. The bould Lee didn't turn around but he was using his elbow to dig Connolly in the stomach or at least to break his grip.
Bu I also saw a photo somewhere where the two lads were pictured shaking hands and apparently about to swap jerseys at the end of the game.
Leroy and Diarmuid are probably the most fascinating match up in the country at present and both are absolutely vital to their respective sides. He who gains the upper hand next day will finish up on the winning side.
Higgins-JOD is a thousand times more watchable a match-up than Connolly and Keegan trying to out-macho each other. The former had a purity of skill sorely lacking in the latter. It's not defending, it's just two lads going out to belt and smash and niggle. No different to McMahon on O'Shea last year, only in this case the victim is easy to provoke.
Dublin get by just fine when Connolly is quiet too, because players like Flynn and Kilkenny are very skilled too and don't engage in nonsense. Connolly is grand when he keeps the head on but he loses it too frequently for a team to be reliant on him.
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2016, 02:13:07 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 19, 2016, 10:47:34 PM
Connolly and Keegan have been banging away at each other quite happily since the '13 final or maybe earlier.
If anyone with a copy of the video of this game is interested enough to go and check back to around the 10th minute of the game, an off-the-ball incident was picked up by a camera with Connolly standing behind Keegan, tugging the collar of his jersey. The bould Lee didn't turn around but he was using his elbow to dig Connolly in the stomach or at least to break his grip.
Bu I also saw a photo somewhere where the two lads were pictured shaking hands and apparently about to swap jerseys at the end of the game.
Leroy and Diarmuid are probably the most fascinating match up in the country at present and both are absolutely vital to their respective sides. He who gains the upper hand next day will finish up on the winning side.
Higgins-JOD is a thousand times more watchable a match-up than Connolly and Keegan trying to out-macho each other. The former had a purity of skill sorely lacking in the latter. It's not defending, it's just two lads going out to belt and smash and niggle. No different to McMahon on O'Shea last year, only in this case the victim is easy to provoke.
Dublin get by just fine when Connolly is quiet too, because players like Flynn and Kilkenny are very skilled too and don't engage in nonsense. Connolly is grand when he keeps the head on but he loses it too frequently for a team to be reliant on him.
Not quite sure what you are about there.
But I will say this. Connolly gets no more from Keegan than likes of O Connor, McManus, O Sé, Gooch and others get.
If O Sé and others reacted to every pull and nudge like Connolly does they would hardly be treated as sympathetically by refs. Connolly gets nothing more than P Joyce, McDonald and others had to put up with every day they went out. The difference maybe is that Keegan is better than most defenders Connolly plays against. Connolly can overawe most defender with his size, speed and athleticism and then his football ability kills them. Keegan can match him with size, speed and athleticism and has the football radar as well.
40 yrs ago JB Murphy quit county football because he was horsed around by one corner back in particular and concentrated on football. Jamie Clarke seems to have got sick of been targeted by special attention as well. It's not new that good forwards get marked tightly.
Jimmy's writing very good articles
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-mayo-need-something-new-and-unexpected-1.2797466
Jim McGuinness: Mayo need something new and unexpected
Sunday's All-Ireland final will be spoken about for many years because all of us in Croke Park left the stadium wondering if we could believe – or trust – what we had seen. The game was pitched into such a realm of strangeness, from the weather through to what happened on the field that it was like a deception.
As I flew back to Glasgow on Sunday night, I kept asking myself that question: just what happened out there?
All weekend, the build-up in Dublin was hugely expectant. I have never experienced such a demand for tickets. When I got a taxi in from the airport on Saturday, I got chatting to the driver who was a true Dubs supporter; genuine and knowledgeable, he had gone to see them in every game in the championship. And he could not get a ticket.
I took his card in the hope I could get him a ticket but I wasn't able to locate one. On Sunday, the one thing that struck me was that the crowd was up around Croke Park really early. It was as if both sets of supporters couldn't wait.
Last week here, I suggested that Mayo needed to go somewhere primal. There was an element of that in the jostling and pushing when the teams took to the field, but I don't feel it was contained in Mayo's overall performance.
My sense is that Dublin's underwhelming display is attributable to something within themselves more than what Mayo did to them. I don't think it is a coincidence that Dublin's last poor performance was in last year's All-Ireland final, even though they won then.
So much happened in the first half alone that it became difficult to break down and categorise. The critical man-to-man match up featured, as expected, Mayo's Lee Keegan picking up Diarmuid Connolly. Lee is a huge part of Mayo's attacking threat. The task of shadowing Diarmuid is considerable: he has been the best footballer in Ireland all summer. But Keegan is up there with him.
So the impact which both players can have goes a long way to shaping the dynamic of the game. There was a lot going on between them both off and on the ball: it was an intense and riveting confrontation.
It seemed that Lee edged their battle because Diarmuid has this unique array of power, running, strength, agility and that ability to kick off both feet, so it is a huge achievement to hold him to a single point. He is a frightening proposition and the way Lee coped with him was impressive.
However, that containment comes at a cost because they lost what Lee can offer to Mayo's attack. I felt Mayo started brightly and ran straight lines and forced Dublin to deal with that. They used Aidan O'Shea as an inside threat and he made himself a big, disruptive presence on the edge of the Dublin D. They were at the pitch of the game and their defenders – Colm Boyle, Brendan Harrison and Kevin McLoughlin – were so sharp and alive to everything.
Unforgettable
Then came those two bizarre, unforgettable goals. I was sitting beside James Horan for the first one. We were both in the Sky studio. The first goal happened and James's head went down. I just said something about it being really bad luck. James said: "That's an understatement." When the second one went in, we were all stunned and I said: "James, I know you're not going to like this but you do have to question the concept of this curse." It was said in jest, but I had this sense that James never, ever stopped believing, which is indicative of the spirit within the squad.
Apart from those freak goals, Dublin had a serious amount of possession. But they were too methodical and not supporting the ball with attacking runs. They were cautious. Why? I was thinking about the Donegal game, when they knew they would face 14 men and that it would require huge patience and discipline and recycling. They were excellent in how they executed that and found the gaps to garner scores against Donegal.
But has that system or formula somehow seeped into their play? I felt I could see traces of that methodology in the Kerry game even though they kicked 0-22.
For me, the hallmark of previous Jim Gavin teams was their lightning transition into attack. That has slowed since the Donegal game. They are happy to recycle and wait. So there has been a shift that seemed very pronounced on Sunday.
Things you work on in the training ground can morph into other things. Dublin look at the Donegal game and say: 'Look, we went down to 13 men and we still controlled the game!' And then that drifts into your mindset and you become a more controlled, stilted version of what you were originally were.
The threat that Dublin have presented is that of a torrent: wave after wave of attack generated by Stephen Cluxton's laser-issue restarts. When you played Dublin, you were in for a busy day. Against Mayo, I felt they were too safe and methodical. At times I was urging them to go on.
In normal circumstances they are a fountain of support running and varied attack. They threatened at times here and just as in last year's final, it was often the final ball which betrayed them. We also shouldn't forget that Brian Fenton drew two important saves from David Clarke.
Still, Dublin only kicked 0-4 points in the first half and were ruffled: we saw Bernard Brogan kick a ball straight into the air. Dean Rock had a bad wide.
The key question is why. Mayo went man to man with Dublin all over the pitch, apart from Kevin McLoughlin. They didn't set up a bank of four and force Dublin to play through them. So the question is: did we witness a brilliant defensive job by Mayo or was it a consequence of conditions and of Dublin being too lateral and conservative and not providing the runners, which has been the blueprint of this team?
I'm not convinced that what happened to Dublin was down to Mayo. Yes, Mayo were competitive in the game. But they weren't bringing anything new. They were just doing what they had done before but with even more hunger. And once Dublin doubled up on Aidan O'Shea, I felt Mayo needed to go with at least two big men inside.
Ironically, the black card changed the game in Dublin's favour. I felt it was a mess of a call. Two guys run into each other and hit each other's shoulders. It wasn't a third-man tackle: it was just machismo on both players' part and McCarthy paid a heavy price. It beggars belief. That card needs to go.
But weirdly, as if this game needed more weirdness, the change brought Dublin back in to it through Paddy Andrews's two points from play. He got the engine started. So by half time, it was hard to weigh up what we had just seen.
Regardless, it was double scores at half time. In fairness, Mayo's response was excellent and spirited in the second half. Their moral courage is beyond reproach. But I would ask this again: what did they do differently?
From the Donegal 2012 final to Sunday is eight big knockout championship games and I would ask: what have we seen from Mayo that is different apart from the sweeper system? They haven't managed to win the All-Ireland so it stands to reason that they must do something different.
People will say they held Dublin to a de facto 0-9. I don't believe that the core truth of the game is about that. What we saw from Dublin was false, for whatever reason. Ninety-nine percent of the time a team will revert back to its average mean. The champions were below average on Sunday. It's the old saying that the favourite wins the replay. I think on October 1st, they will kick a lot more points.
Mayo were nothing if not brave. They thundered into the second half and scored 0-4 in five minutes. It was an inspirational burst. Then they kind of went missing offensively again, which is replicating a pattern throughout their championship. I scribbled a note: "Fifty minutes gone. Game in balance. Who wants it? "
What I was really saying was: this is Mayo's opportunity. Yet from that minute to the 74th, Dublin controlled the game. Mayo didn't bring the fire or the big hits. They were just treading water. I felt Paul Mannion did well for Dublin and you could see him or Eoghan O'Gara starting and Kevin McManamon reverting to impact substitute.
Yet Dublin were still labouring in attack. It was still cautious and defined by lateral passing. They are not afraid to go back the field. Interestingly, there were a number of attacks when they didn't have the bodies inside to kick the ball into. That was something we used to struggle with in Donegal sometimes: your forwards make runs and when the ball doesn't come in, they end up straying out to the 45.
That almost never happens with Dublin because the two corner forwards play on the byline and the full forward on the top of the D and they make 50-metre sprints across goal. There was a conspicuous absence of that on Sunday. Again: why?
I thought Dublin looked tired in the last 15 minutes. Had they won, they would have fallen over the line to their All-Ireland title. It is a long time since the Hill was so quiet. It is an All-Ireland final and they had nothing much to cheer about.
Catastrophic
However, when the match was in the balance, some of the Mayo decision-making was catastrophic. I was thinking: they need to get the ball to a marquee forward to drop the shoulder and slip inside and kick the ball over the bar. Just do simple things well.
Dublin have guys who could pop up and make those incisions and tag those scores on. They took control of possession and found a way to kick themselves into a three-point lead at the end of normal time. John Small was excellent in the second half and Jonny Cooper too. Donal Vaughan was a shining light for Mayo: had they won, he was the man of the match.
So: 70 minutes gone. And the board goes up and shows seven minutes just as Cillian O'Connor scores a free. And Dublin decide: let's just keep ball. And the longer you watched them do this, on a treacherous surface, you felt they would slip or make a mistake and cough it up. Yet they didn't. Their handling was very good and their composure was what we have all come to expect.
Then Vaughan steals in for a huge point and Dublin still try to manage the clock. Then came the sideline ball and with 30 seconds left, having kept the ball from the 70th minute to the 76th, Connolly decides to kick for a score. I can't get my head around this: a short sideline pass and they keep it and they have the All-Ireland.
After the shot goes wide, they fail to push up on the kick-out quickly enough and the ball goes out to a Mayo player on the Cusack Stand side and then it goes into the centre. There are 25 seconds left in the All-Ireland final and I notice that four Dublin players don't sprint back. I'm thinking: 15 behind the ball. Just survive for 25 seconds and it's over.
Instead, Mayo came through the middle. It was a magnificent point by O'Connor under pressure, but I couldn't believe Dublin didn't shut them down.
Why? That's a big question. Was it because they were out on their feet?
I asked a question here last week: can Mayo keep Dublin to 16 points? And if they can, what would that game look like? So they kept them to 0-9 and two own goals. But Sunday didn't look like the game I had imagined in my mind. I didn't see anything new or leftfield from Mayo.
I thought I might see two innovations: an off-the-hook, ultra-intense mentality. Don't get me wrong: some of the defending was lion-hearted and their recovery from the brink of another bleak All-Ireland defeat was hugely impressive. But I just didn't see the fire and gung-ho positivity that might have carried them to victory in the last 15 minutes of normal time. That only became visible when the cause was almost beyond their grasp.
Tenacious
And why not try something different? Why not go with not even two but three monsters at the edge of the square: O'Shea, Barry Moran and Tom Parsons? Bombard the square for a while and have the rest of the Mayo side defending as a unit of 12. Just see where that would bring them.
And if that doesn't work, have something else up your sleeve. I didn't see that. I just saw that familiar, very tenacious and honest Mayo team but nothing new. And I am fearful that Dublin will return to the norm in the replay and instead of kicking 0-9, they will kick 0-19. If it is a dry day, that will facilitate a higher scoring average.
Over the next fortnight, Mayo need to find a way to drag Dublin into the trenches because Dublin are vulnerable when they are brought there. I wouldn't be heaping too much praise on Mayo just yet. They've earned themselves another chance. But: they have another chance.
So can they come up with something? That's why I was talking about that primal dimension. Take Dublin back to that place when Brogan is skying the ball and Connolly is blasting the ball wide and they are addled. But I am not convinced that Mayo will do that in the replay. I feel it will be the same set-up: Aidan going in full forward and Andy and Cillian in the corner and Kevin McLoughlin playing sweeper.
I don't believe that will be enough. I think Mayo are saying to themselves: "We are as good as Dublin. We are good enough. We stick to our principles. We're going to win this because we are as good as Dublin." And, yes, you have to believe in yourself. But you also have to accept that that is not quite true. Pound for pound, Dublin carry more offensive threat than any football team in Ireland.
That doesn't mean Mayo can't become All-Ireland champions. I just a have a gut conviction that Mayo need to introduce something new and unexpected to finally shift the dynamic fully in their favour.
Only the two teams really know what happened out there. The rest of us have to wait for a fortnight for the true answers.
Leftfield :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3grqa6t71w
Told you all a few times in the last few weeks the ref and GAA would try their best to get Mayo over the line. Nearly worked too. Some of you nearly got your wish that the Dubs were beaten.
However, it show that the greatest football team of all time are vulnerable, the Dubs to win well the next day.
Also, the GAA ticket office must be in Mayo, 2-1 outnumbered Dublin, it was probably all the neutrals supporting Mayo I presume.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 20, 2016, 08:43:31 AM
Told you all a few times in the last few weeks the ref and GAA would try their best to get Mayo over the line. Nearly worked too. Some of you nearly got your wish that the Dubs were beaten.
However, it show that the greatest football team of all time are vulnerable, the Dubs to win well the next day.
Also, the GAA ticket office must be in Mayo, 2-1 outnumbered Dublin, it was probably all the neutrals supporting Mayo I presume.
I'd safely say you wouldn't know your arse from your elbow
Quote from: JoG2 on September 20, 2016, 09:31:29 AM
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 20, 2016, 08:43:31 AM
Told you all a few times in the last few weeks the ref and GAA would try their best to get Mayo over the line. Nearly worked too. Some of you nearly got your wish that the Dubs were beaten.
However, it show that the greatest football team of all time are vulnerable, the Dubs to win well the next day.
Also, the GAA ticket office must be in Mayo, 2-1 outnumbered Dublin, it was probably all the neutrals supporting Mayo I presume.
I'd safely say you wouldn't know your arse from your elbow
Disagree. ;)
In fairness and my real opinion is , it was a good hard tough battle, a draw a fair result, not sure what will happen the next day, 2 weeks of listening and reading crap on social media, forums :-X and main stream, that's the downside.
Not sure if it was on this site but I was a bit harsh on two of our lads and regret it now. Heat of the moment with drink on board. All the lads gave it 100%. Major tiredness in the 2nd half is always going to lead to mistakes, it was the same for both teams.
If our lads that played poorly the last day play to their full potential in the replay and the lads that played well play well again (most of the lads that played well nearly always play well so I'm confident on that front) then we will win the replay.
A lot of Dublin fans I knew said they werent bothered if they got a ticket or not. They reckoned the homecoming or what ever ye call it in the big shmoke was a far better buzz
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 20, 2016, 08:43:31 AM
Also, the GAA ticket office must be in Mayo.
Ticket Office? Sure all the All Ireland tickets were sold online.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on September 20, 2016, 08:43:31 AM
Told you all a few times in the last few weeks the ref and GAA would try their best to get Mayo over the line. Nearly worked too. Some of you nearly got your wish that the Dubs were beaten.
However, it show that the greatest football team of all time are vulnerable, the Dubs to win well the next day.
Also, the GAA ticket office must be in Mayo, 2-1 outnumbered Dublin, it was probably all the neutrals supporting Mayo I presume.
A golden opportunity missed when not giving a pick off the ground after the last point.
I see the Dublin propaganda machine is in full swing already over on (Dublin) joe dot ie. FFS.
Quote from: seafoid on September 20, 2016, 08:11:51 AM
Jimmy's writing very good articles
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-mayo-need-something-new-and-unexpected-1.2797466
Jim McGuinness: Mayo need something new and unexpected
Sunday's All-Ireland final will be spoken about for many years because all of us in Croke Park left the stadium wondering if we could believe – or trust – what we had seen. The game was pitched into such a realm of strangeness, from the weather through to what happened on the field that it was like a deception.
As I flew back to Glasgow on Sunday night, I kept asking myself that question: just what happened out there?
All weekend, the build-up in Dublin was hugely expectant. I have never experienced such a demand for tickets. When I got a taxi in from the airport on Saturday, I got chatting to the driver who was a true Dubs supporter; genuine and knowledgeable, he had gone to see them in every game in the championship. And he could not get a ticket.
I took his card in the hope I could get him a ticket but I wasn't able to locate one. On Sunday, the one thing that struck me was that the crowd was up around Croke Park really early. It was as if both sets of supporters couldn't wait.
Last week here, I suggested that Mayo needed to go somewhere primal. There was an element of that in the jostling and pushing when the teams took to the field, but I don't feel it was contained in Mayo's overall performance.
My sense is that Dublin's underwhelming display is attributable to something within themselves more than what Mayo did to them. I don't think it is a coincidence that Dublin's last poor performance was in last year's All-Ireland final, even though they won then.
So much happened in the first half alone that it became difficult to break down and categorise. The critical man-to-man match up featured, as expected, Mayo's Lee Keegan picking up Diarmuid Connolly. Lee is a huge part of Mayo's attacking threat. The task of shadowing Diarmuid is considerable: he has been the best footballer in Ireland all summer. But Keegan is up there with him.
So the impact which both players can have goes a long way to shaping the dynamic of the game. There was a lot going on between them both off and on the ball: it was an intense and riveting confrontation.
It seemed that Lee edged their battle because Diarmuid has this unique array of power, running, strength, agility and that ability to kick off both feet, so it is a huge achievement to hold him to a single point. He is a frightening proposition and the way Lee coped with him was impressive.
However, that containment comes at a cost because they lost what Lee can offer to Mayo's attack. I felt Mayo started brightly and ran straight lines and forced Dublin to deal with that. They used Aidan O'Shea as an inside threat and he made himself a big, disruptive presence on the edge of the Dublin D. They were at the pitch of the game and their defenders – Colm Boyle, Brendan Harrison and Kevin McLoughlin – were so sharp and alive to everything.
Unforgettable
Then came those two bizarre, unforgettable goals. I was sitting beside James Horan for the first one. We were both in the Sky studio. The first goal happened and James's head went down. I just said something about it being really bad luck. James said: "That's an understatement." When the second one went in, we were all stunned and I said: "James, I know you're not going to like this but you do have to question the concept of this curse." It was said in jest, but I had this sense that James never, ever stopped believing, which is indicative of the spirit within the squad.
Apart from those freak goals, Dublin had a serious amount of possession. But they were too methodical and not supporting the ball with attacking runs. They were cautious. Why? I was thinking about the Donegal game, when they knew they would face 14 men and that it would require huge patience and discipline and recycling. They were excellent in how they executed that and found the gaps to garner scores against Donegal.
But has that system or formula somehow seeped into their play? I felt I could see traces of that methodology in the Kerry game even though they kicked 0-22.
For me, the hallmark of previous Jim Gavin teams was their lightning transition into attack. That has slowed since the Donegal game. They are happy to recycle and wait. So there has been a shift that seemed very pronounced on Sunday.
Things you work on in the training ground can morph into other things. Dublin look at the Donegal game and say: 'Look, we went down to 13 men and we still controlled the game!' And then that drifts into your mindset and you become a more controlled, stilted version of what you were originally were.
The threat that Dublin have presented is that of a torrent: wave after wave of attack generated by Stephen Cluxton's laser-issue restarts. When you played Dublin, you were in for a busy day. Against Mayo, I felt they were too safe and methodical. At times I was urging them to go on.
In normal circumstances they are a fountain of support running and varied attack. They threatened at times here and just as in last year's final, it was often the final ball which betrayed them. We also shouldn't forget that Brian Fenton drew two important saves from David Clarke.
Still, Dublin only kicked 0-4 points in the first half and were ruffled: we saw Bernard Brogan kick a ball straight into the air. Dean Rock had a bad wide.
The key question is why. Mayo went man to man with Dublin all over the pitch, apart from Kevin McLoughlin. They didn't set up a bank of four and force Dublin to play through them. So the question is: did we witness a brilliant defensive job by Mayo or was it a consequence of conditions and of Dublin being too lateral and conservative and not providing the runners, which has been the blueprint of this team?
I'm not convinced that what happened to Dublin was down to Mayo. Yes, Mayo were competitive in the game. But they weren't bringing anything new. They were just doing what they had done before but with even more hunger. And once Dublin doubled up on Aidan O'Shea, I felt Mayo needed to go with at least two big men inside.
Ironically, the black card changed the game in Dublin's favour. I felt it was a mess of a call. Two guys run into each other and hit each other's shoulders. It wasn't a third-man tackle: it was just machismo on both players' part and McCarthy paid a heavy price. It beggars belief. That card needs to go.
But weirdly, as if this game needed more weirdness, the change brought Dublin back in to it through Paddy Andrews's two points from play. He got the engine started. So by half time, it was hard to weigh up what we had just seen.
Regardless, it was double scores at half time. In fairness, Mayo's response was excellent and spirited in the second half. Their moral courage is beyond reproach. But I would ask this again: what did they do differently?
From the Donegal 2012 final to Sunday is eight big knockout championship games and I would ask: what have we seen from Mayo that is different apart from the sweeper system? They haven't managed to win the All-Ireland so it stands to reason that they must do something different.
People will say they held Dublin to a de facto 0-9. I don't believe that the core truth of the game is about that. What we saw from Dublin was false, for whatever reason. Ninety-nine percent of the time a team will revert back to its average mean. The champions were below average on Sunday. It's the old saying that the favourite wins the replay. I think on October 1st, they will kick a lot more points.
Mayo were nothing if not brave. They thundered into the second half and scored 0-4 in five minutes. It was an inspirational burst. Then they kind of went missing offensively again, which is replicating a pattern throughout their championship. I scribbled a note: "Fifty minutes gone. Game in balance. Who wants it? "
What I was really saying was: this is Mayo's opportunity. Yet from that minute to the 74th, Dublin controlled the game. Mayo didn't bring the fire or the big hits. They were just treading water. I felt Paul Mannion did well for Dublin and you could see him or Eoghan O'Gara starting and Kevin McManamon reverting to impact substitute.
Yet Dublin were still labouring in attack. It was still cautious and defined by lateral passing. They are not afraid to go back the field. Interestingly, there were a number of attacks when they didn't have the bodies inside to kick the ball into. That was something we used to struggle with in Donegal sometimes: your forwards make runs and when the ball doesn't come in, they end up straying out to the 45.
That almost never happens with Dublin because the two corner forwards play on the byline and the full forward on the top of the D and they make 50-metre sprints across goal. There was a conspicuous absence of that on Sunday. Again: why?
I thought Dublin looked tired in the last 15 minutes. Had they won, they would have fallen over the line to their All-Ireland title. It is a long time since the Hill was so quiet. It is an All-Ireland final and they had nothing much to cheer about.
Catastrophic
However, when the match was in the balance, some of the Mayo decision-making was catastrophic. I was thinking: they need to get the ball to a marquee forward to drop the shoulder and slip inside and kick the ball over the bar. Just do simple things well.
Dublin have guys who could pop up and make those incisions and tag those scores on. They took control of possession and found a way to kick themselves into a three-point lead at the end of normal time. John Small was excellent in the second half and Jonny Cooper too. Donal Vaughan was a shining light for Mayo: had they won, he was the man of the match.
So: 70 minutes gone. And the board goes up and shows seven minutes just as Cillian O'Connor scores a free. And Dublin decide: let's just keep ball. And the longer you watched them do this, on a treacherous surface, you felt they would slip or make a mistake and cough it up. Yet they didn't. Their handling was very good and their composure was what we have all come to expect.
Then Vaughan steals in for a huge point and Dublin still try to manage the clock. Then came the sideline ball and with 30 seconds left, having kept the ball from the 70th minute to the 76th, Connolly decides to kick for a score. I can't get my head around this: a short sideline pass and they keep it and they have the All-Ireland.
After the shot goes wide, they fail to push up on the kick-out quickly enough and the ball goes out to a Mayo player on the Cusack Stand side and then it goes into the centre. There are 25 seconds left in the All-Ireland final and I notice that four Dublin players don't sprint back. I'm thinking: 15 behind the ball. Just survive for 25 seconds and it's over.
Instead, Mayo came through the middle. It was a magnificent point by O'Connor under pressure, but I couldn't believe Dublin didn't shut them down.
Why? That's a big question. Was it because they were out on their feet?
I asked a question here last week: can Mayo keep Dublin to 16 points? And if they can, what would that game look like? So they kept them to 0-9 and two own goals. But Sunday didn't look like the game I had imagined in my mind. I didn't see anything new or leftfield from Mayo.
I thought I might see two innovations: an off-the-hook, ultra-intense mentality. Don't get me wrong: some of the defending was lion-hearted and their recovery from the brink of another bleak All-Ireland defeat was hugely impressive. But I just didn't see the fire and gung-ho positivity that might have carried them to victory in the last 15 minutes of normal time. That only became visible when the cause was almost beyond their grasp.
Tenacious
And why not try something different? Why not go with not even two but three monsters at the edge of the square: O'Shea, Barry Moran and Tom Parsons? Bombard the square for a while and have the rest of the Mayo side defending as a unit of 12. Just see where that would bring them.
And if that doesn't work, have something else up your sleeve. I didn't see that. I just saw that familiar, very tenacious and honest Mayo team but nothing new. And I am fearful that Dublin will return to the norm in the replay and instead of kicking 0-9, they will kick 0-19. If it is a dry day, that will facilitate a higher scoring average.
Over the next fortnight, Mayo need to find a way to drag Dublin into the trenches because Dublin are vulnerable when they are brought there. I wouldn't be heaping too much praise on Mayo just yet. They've earned themselves another chance. But: they have another chance.
So can they come up with something? That's why I was talking about that primal dimension. Take Dublin back to that place when Brogan is skying the ball and Connolly is blasting the ball wide and they are addled. But I am not convinced that Mayo will do that in the replay. I feel it will be the same set-up: Aidan going in full forward and Andy and Cillian in the corner and Kevin McLoughlin playing sweeper.
I don't believe that will be enough. I think Mayo are saying to themselves: "We are as good as Dublin. We are good enough. We stick to our principles. We're going to win this because we are as good as Dublin." And, yes, you have to believe in yourself. But you also have to accept that that is not quite true. Pound for pound, Dublin carry more offensive threat than any football team in Ireland.
That doesn't mean Mayo can't become All-Ireland champions. I just a have a gut conviction that Mayo need to introduce something new and unexpected to finally shift the dynamic fully in their favour.
Only the two teams really know what happened out there. The rest of us have to wait for a fortnight for the true answers.
Leftfield :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3grqa6t71w
Why does Jim feel Mayo have to reinvent the wheel to beat Dublin? Cafferkey aside, with Vaughan playing so well and Harrison and Durkan flying the Mayo back 6 has improved in the last few years. On the other hand, the Dublin front 6, age profile, hunger etc have regressed. The Dublin back 6 have also been weakened with the absence of McCaffrey and O'Carroll as we all know. McLoughlin is improving in his new role game on game. Seamie O'Shea (poor 2nd half aside) and Parsons are a stronger unit than Fenton and MDMA / Bastick. DOC, AM, J Doherty (who is finally stepping up) and COC (the best, most consistent free taker in the country) are a strong attacking / support unit...in recent history, there has only ever been a kick of a ball between these two sides.
For me, Mayo don't need to change their style at this juncture, they have to get the match up rights, not panic in the final third and they will win on Saturday week, but again, there wont be a kick of the ball between them
I'd be worried about Diarmuid O'Connor at this stage. He's definitely injured to some degree. He usually can burn opponents for pace but that has been missing since the injury in the Kildare game. He has looked out on his feet before half time in all the games since. I think this helped Small to get forward with more intent on Sunday. I think that we will see Coen much earlier the next day.
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2016, 09:39:26 AM
A lot of Dublin fans I knew said they werent bothered if they got a ticket or not. They reckoned the homecoming or what ever ye call it in the big shmoke was a far better buzz
I met Mayo people from all over the world they were everywhere at the weekend
Must have been at least 2 - 1 against Dub support
The ones I spoke with cant afford to come back for the replay and felt deflated at the end
Weather forecast is good and I am sure it will be an exciting game
I think Jimmy McG wants Mayo to do something expected like running out dressed in pink tutus.
An absolutely bizarre final, you would have gotten some odds on Dublin not scoring on their own for thirty minutes, it speaks volumes for Mayo that despite scoring two own goals they live to fight another day.
I hope they employ the same tactics the next day and kick on to win it, they know they can beat Dublin and they will if they go for it, forget containment, kick scores and concede not stupid goals and they will lift Sam.
It's hard to see Mayo being as successful defensively the next day, particularly if it's dry, but they have a lot of scope themselves to improve from midfield up.
I would argue that most of Dublin's bad play was down to Mayo pressure, whereas most of Mayo's bad play was down to simple mistakes or sheer bad luck (the OGs).
I watched the game again last night and am amazed the ref let so much go.
I mean I know it's the AI final and refs expect it to be of a higher intensity but still some of the stuff going on was just ridiculous from both teams.
I can appreciate Mayo had to make it into a war to knock Dublin off their game but it has to be within some limits.
A lot of people just seem to think it's OK to let Keegan and Connolly do their own thing for the whole game and not punish them. Connolly is one of our top top players in the country and whilst I like to see him being well marked I think what Lee Keegan gets away with is just scandalous.
There seems to be HUGE double standards within the association at all levels that for some players or teams this is fierce cynical play that needs to be stamped out to a blasé attitude sure let them sort it out themselves.
Some will see Connolly was as guilty as Keegan was but this is not true in my eyes. Connolly is a top forward who will want to break free from his marker to kick scores. To me it's very simple. If he goes to make a run forward and Keegan drags him down or blocks his run then the linesman should report that to the ref and he gets booked. By NOT doing so time and time again then Connolly gets involved and tries to break free from the holding and it soon gets out of hand which is what Keegan wants.
How can the linesman tell the ref to black card McCarthy for what he done yet stand by and watch Keegan do what he does all day long? It doesn't make sense.
No point telling me that Tyrone have done this before as well so I should shut up. Of course they have and it should be punished as well. So why are the refs, linesmen etc all letting this go? It seems a very simple problem to solve but for some reason this type of stuff has become quite common now in our game.
Just because Dublin players did similar things back to Mayo forwards doesn't make it right for either yet on the Sunday game they showed it but there was no big uproar about it.
I don't think Brolly or Spillane mentioned it on the live game did they?
Quote from: stew on September 20, 2016, 10:45:11 AM
An absolutely bizarre final, you would have gotten some odds on Dublin not scoring on their own for thirty minutes, it speaks volumes for Mayo that despite scoring two own goals they live to fight another day.
I hope they employ the same tactics the next day and kick on to win it, they know they can beat Dublin and they will if they go for it, forget containment, kick scores and concede not stupid goals and they will lift Sam.
The last time Dublin played on the 18th was 1983 another crazy game.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 20, 2016, 10:55:22 AM
I watched the game again last night and am amazed the ref let so much go.
I mean I know it's the AI final and refs expect it to be of a higher intensity but still some of the stuff going on was just ridiculous from both teams.
I can appreciate Mayo had to make it into a war to knock Dublin off their game but it has to be within some limits.
A lot of people just seem to think it's OK to let Keegan and Connolly do their own thing for the whole game and not punish them. Connolly is one of our top top players in the country and whilst I like to see him being well marked I think what Lee Keegan gets away with is just scandalous.
There seems to be HUGE double standards within the association at all levels that for some players or teams this is fierce cynical play that needs to be stamped out to a blasé attitude sure let them sort it out themselves.
Some will see Connolly was as guilty as Keegan was but this is not true in my eyes. Connolly is a top forward who will want to break free from his marker to kick scores. To me it's very simple. If he goes to make a run forward and Keegan drags him down or blocks his run then the linesman should report that to the ref and he gets booked. By NOT doing so time and time again then Connolly gets involved and tries to break free from the holding and it soon gets out of hand which is what Keegan wants.
How can the linesman tell the ref to black card McCarthy for what he done yet stand by and watch Keegan do what he does all day long? It doesn't make sense.
No point telling me that Tyrone have done this before as well so I should shut up. Of course they have and it should be punished as well. So why are the refs, linesmen etc all letting this go? It seems a very simple problem to solve but for some reason this type of stuff has become quite common now in our game.
Just because Dublin players did similar things back to Mayo forwards doesn't make it right for either yet on the Sunday game they showed it but there was no big uproar about it.
I don't think Brolly or Spillane mentioned it on the live game did they?
Dublin's stall was set 2 or 3 mins in with Kevin McManamons 'tackle' down in the Cussack / Canal End corner.
Keegan / Connolly is a high profile duel, but what exactly do you think is happening down the other end? Cooper, Philly and the boys giving the Mayo forwards a free pass?
Just a reminder to people who say Mayo have Dublin's number. They have not beaten Jim Gavins Dublin in 9 attempts league and championship.
Quote from: highorlow on September 20, 2016, 10:04:30 AM
I see the Dublin propaganda machine is in full swing already over on (Dublin) joe dot ie. FFS.
You mad, With Scruff click bait Parkinson in control of their GAA section, stay away from all social media as the mass hysteria from people over GAA matches is gone crazy, especially when the Dubs are involved.
Lee Keegan is the big loser in this battle, his whole game is taken up stretching Connollys jersey.
Crazy crazy game. We should have been beaten by anything upwards of 5 points but amazingly found ourselves 5 points up at half time and 2 up after normal time. No rhyme nor reason to the game.
By the way, can you imagine the meltdown if Dublin were down after normal time and 7 minutes extra time was announced.
Two Dublin players literally had their shirts torn off them during the game. Never seen that before tbh.
I can't agree with Jimmy McGuinness' idea that Mayo need to bring something new. Why? They got their tactical set up correct on Sunday and held Dublin to 9 points and yet he is advoscating trying something completely different by playing 2 or 3 big men inside and bombarding the Dublin full back line with long balls. The irony of Jimmy above all people actually advocating this approach is lost on him. They need to come with the exact same game plan only execute it better. I watched the match again and was surprised at just how many unforced errors were made by both sides and Seamus O'Shea give away the ball stupidly 3 times in a row which had negative consequences for Mayo each time. It's not like Mayo played to their full capabilities, both sides can get better given a dry sod on the day. In my opinion Jim Gavin has more questions to answer than Rochford particularly in the forward line with Brogan and Flynn. Will he stay loyal to the old foot soldiers like Brogan and Flynn who look battle weary or will he throw in Mannion/O'Gara or Andrews from the start who are fresher with something to prove.
Not much mention of the " Process " these days .It seems to have gone into the same dustbin as "Fiscal Space " .
Kurtz are you for real? Connolly can usually score 4 or 5 points and often great goals so it's well worth their while taking him out of the game at the expense of Keegan pushing up for the odd attack.
I said it's on both sides and right from the start when both teams ran out of the pitch it began yet I heard Spillane say several times it was a good clean tough game. Philly McMahon does do a lot of stuff similar to Keegan but I don't think Johnny Cooper does. He more often that not plays the ball not the man but of course there are incidents where he too oversteps the line. It's just Keegan seems to be the man who does it for the whole game and remarkably gets away with it time and time again.
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 20, 2016, 11:16:50 AM
Not much mention of the " Process " these days .It seems to have gone into the same dustbin as "Fiscal Space " .
Mentioning the process has worked out pretty well for Jim Gavin and win, lose or draw in the replay I doubt very much he'll change his entire approach.
I dunno what McG was at this morning; he had already said that Mayo got the matchups rights, so now he wants them to try something new.
I'll back Rochford's judgement any day over his.
I think neither Horan nor Connolly/ Holmes had an ounce of tactical nous between them and the inability to spot the need to make changes or positional switches cost Mayo dearly during their tenures in office.
Even though Mayo were misfiring right up to the final, Rochford impressed me by his preparation for each game. I think he outfoxed Jim Gavin on Sunday and that's no mean feat.
I'm quite happy with our prospects now.
There was very little between Mayo and Dublin last year and the absolute shambles H&C made of directing play on the field ultimately cost them their jobs.
Mayo felt they could have taken Dublin then if only Holmes and Pateen hadn't left their plans of campaign behind them in their hotel.
The personnel on either side hadn't altered significantly in the interim, so which should Mayo have been overawed by their opponents?
Also, I think Dublin has slipped back somewhat since last year. In the game v Kerry they were in trouble right to the closing stages when Kerry''s ancient warriors began to run out of steam.
Maybe there's truth in the notion that trying to win a two in a row can be put down to mental tiredness but the fact that Mayo were definitely rarin' to go from the start was the major cause of Dublin's subdued display last Sunday.
There's no reason to believe that Gavin will outfox Rochford next time either. The usual suspects who consider themselves to be pundits had Dublin marked in as unbackable favourites the last day and they are at it again since Sunday.
They got it wrong then and they will get it wrong second time around.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2016, 11:26:38 AM
I dunno what McG was at this morning; he had already said that Mayo got the matchups rights, so now he wants them to try something new.
I'll back Rochford's judgement any day over his.
I think neither Horan nor Connolly/ Holmes had an ounce of tactical nous between them and the inability to spot the need to make changes or positional switches cost Mayo dearly during their tenures in office.
Even though Mayo were misfiring right up to the final, Rochford impressed me by his preparation for each game. I think he outfoxed Jim Gavin on Sunday and that's no mean feat.
I'm quite happy with our prospects now.
There was very little between Mayo and Dublin last year and the absolute shambles H&C made of directing play on the field ultimately cost them their jobs.
Mayo felt they could have taken Dublin then if only Holmes and Pateen hadn't left their plans of campaign behind them in their hotel.
The personnel on either side hadn't altered significantly in the interim, so which should Mayo have been overawed by their opponents?
Also, I think Dublin has slipped back somewhat since last year. In the game v Kerry they were in trouble right to the closing stages when Kerry''s ancient warriors began to run out of steam.
Maybe there's truth in the notion that trying to win a two in a row can be put down to mental tiredness but the fact that Mayo were definitely rarin' to go from the start was the major cause of Dublin's subdued display last Sunday.
There's no reason to believe that Gavin will outfox Rochford next time either. The usual suspects who consider themselves to be pundits had Dublin marked in as unbackable favourites the last day and they are at it again since Sunday.
They got it wrong then and they will get it wrong second time around.
Clucko is not as good as he was.
They do miss people like O'Carroll
Mayo seem to be improved in the head department
Rochford seems to be a better tactician than his predecessors
It is all to play for
Quote from: seafoid on September 20, 2016, 08:11:51 AM
Jimmy's writing very good articles
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-mayo-need-something-new-and-unexpected-1.2797466
Jim McGuinness: Mayo need something new and unexpected
Sunday's All-Ireland final will be spoken about for many years because all of us in Croke Park left the stadium wondering if we could believe – or trust – what we had seen. The game was pitched into such a realm of strangeness, from the weather through to what happened on the field that it was like a deception.
As I flew back to Glasgow on Sunday night, I kept asking myself that question: just what happened out there?
All weekend, the build-up in Dublin was hugely expectant. I have never experienced such a demand for tickets. When I got a taxi in from the airport on Saturday, I got chatting to the driver who was a true Dubs supporter; genuine and knowledgeable, he had gone to see them in every game in the championship. And he could not get a ticket.
I took his card in the hope I could get him a ticket but I wasn't able to locate one. On Sunday, the one thing that struck me was that the crowd was up around Croke Park really early. It was as if both sets of supporters couldn't wait.
Last week here, I suggested that Mayo needed to go somewhere primal. There was an element of that in the jostling and pushing when the teams took to the field, but I don't feel it was contained in Mayo's overall performance.
My sense is that Dublin's underwhelming display is attributable to something within themselves more than what Mayo did to them. I don't think it is a coincidence that Dublin's last poor performance was in last year's All-Ireland final, even though they won then.
So much happened in the first half alone that it became difficult to break down and categorise. The critical man-to-man match up featured, as expected, Mayo's Lee Keegan picking up Diarmuid Connolly. Lee is a huge part of Mayo's attacking threat. The task of shadowing Diarmuid is considerable: he has been the best footballer in Ireland all summer. But Keegan is up there with him.
So the impact which both players can have goes a long way to shaping the dynamic of the game. There was a lot going on between them both off and on the ball: it was an intense and riveting confrontation.
It seemed that Lee edged their battle because Diarmuid has this unique array of power, running, strength, agility and that ability to kick off both feet, so it is a huge achievement to hold him to a single point. He is a frightening proposition and the way Lee coped with him was impressive.
However, that containment comes at a cost because they lost what Lee can offer to Mayo's attack. I felt Mayo started brightly and ran straight lines and forced Dublin to deal with that. They used Aidan O'Shea as an inside threat and he made himself a big, disruptive presence on the edge of the Dublin D. They were at the pitch of the game and their defenders – Colm Boyle, Brendan Harrison and Kevin McLoughlin – were so sharp and alive to everything.
Unforgettable
Then came those two bizarre, unforgettable goals. I was sitting beside James Horan for the first one. We were both in the Sky studio. The first goal happened and James's head went down. I just said something about it being really bad luck. James said: "That's an understatement." When the second one went in, we were all stunned and I said: "James, I know you're not going to like this but you do have to question the concept of this curse." It was said in jest, but I had this sense that James never, ever stopped believing, which is indicative of the spirit within the squad.
Apart from those freak goals, Dublin had a serious amount of possession. But they were too methodical and not supporting the ball with attacking runs. They were cautious. Why? I was thinking about the Donegal game, when they knew they would face 14 men and that it would require huge patience and discipline and recycling. They were excellent in how they executed that and found the gaps to garner scores against Donegal.
But has that system or formula somehow seeped into their play? I felt I could see traces of that methodology in the Kerry game even though they kicked 0-22.
For me, the hallmark of previous Jim Gavin teams was their lightning transition into attack. That has slowed since the Donegal game. They are happy to recycle and wait. So there has been a shift that seemed very pronounced on Sunday.
Things you work on in the training ground can morph into other things. Dublin look at the Donegal game and say: 'Look, we went down to 13 men and we still controlled the game!' And then that drifts into your mindset and you become a more controlled, stilted version of what you were originally were.
The threat that Dublin have presented is that of a torrent: wave after wave of attack generated by Stephen Cluxton's laser-issue restarts. When you played Dublin, you were in for a busy day. Against Mayo, I felt they were too safe and methodical. At times I was urging them to go on.
In normal circumstances they are a fountain of support running and varied attack. They threatened at times here and just as in last year's final, it was often the final ball which betrayed them. We also shouldn't forget that Brian Fenton drew two important saves from David Clarke.
Still, Dublin only kicked 0-4 points in the first half and were ruffled: we saw Bernard Brogan kick a ball straight into the air. Dean Rock had a bad wide.
The key question is why. Mayo went man to man with Dublin all over the pitch, apart from Kevin McLoughlin. They didn't set up a bank of four and force Dublin to play through them. So the question is: did we witness a brilliant defensive job by Mayo or was it a consequence of conditions and of Dublin being too lateral and conservative and not providing the runners, which has been the blueprint of this team?
I'm not convinced that what happened to Dublin was down to Mayo. Yes, Mayo were competitive in the game. But they weren't bringing anything new. They were just doing what they had done before but with even more hunger. And once Dublin doubled up on Aidan O'Shea, I felt Mayo needed to go with at least two big men inside.
Ironically, the black card changed the game in Dublin's favour. I felt it was a mess of a call. Two guys run into each other and hit each other's shoulders. It wasn't a third-man tackle: it was just machismo on both players' part and McCarthy paid a heavy price. It beggars belief. That card needs to go.
But weirdly, as if this game needed more weirdness, the change brought Dublin back in to it through Paddy Andrews's two points from play. He got the engine started. So by half time, it was hard to weigh up what we had just seen.
Regardless, it was double scores at half time. In fairness, Mayo's response was excellent and spirited in the second half. Their moral courage is beyond reproach. But I would ask this again: what did they do differently?
From the Donegal 2012 final to Sunday is eight big knockout championship games and I would ask: what have we seen from Mayo that is different apart from the sweeper system? They haven't managed to win the All-Ireland so it stands to reason that they must do something different.
People will say they held Dublin to a de facto 0-9. I don't believe that the core truth of the game is about that. What we saw from Dublin was false, for whatever reason. Ninety-nine percent of the time a team will revert back to its average mean. The champions were below average on Sunday. It's the old saying that the favourite wins the replay. I think on October 1st, they will kick a lot more points.
Mayo were nothing if not brave. They thundered into the second half and scored 0-4 in five minutes. It was an inspirational burst. Then they kind of went missing offensively again, which is replicating a pattern throughout their championship. I scribbled a note: "Fifty minutes gone. Game in balance. Who wants it? "
What I was really saying was: this is Mayo's opportunity. Yet from that minute to the 74th, Dublin controlled the game. Mayo didn't bring the fire or the big hits. They were just treading water. I felt Paul Mannion did well for Dublin and you could see him or Eoghan O'Gara starting and Kevin McManamon reverting to impact substitute.
Yet Dublin were still labouring in attack. It was still cautious and defined by lateral passing. They are not afraid to go back the field. Interestingly, there were a number of attacks when they didn't have the bodies inside to kick the ball into. That was something we used to struggle with in Donegal sometimes: your forwards make runs and when the ball doesn't come in, they end up straying out to the 45.
That almost never happens with Dublin because the two corner forwards play on the byline and the full forward on the top of the D and they make 50-metre sprints across goal. There was a conspicuous absence of that on Sunday. Again: why?
I thought Dublin looked tired in the last 15 minutes. Had they won, they would have fallen over the line to their All-Ireland title. It is a long time since the Hill was so quiet. It is an All-Ireland final and they had nothing much to cheer about.
Catastrophic
However, when the match was in the balance, some of the Mayo decision-making was catastrophic. I was thinking: they need to get the ball to a marquee forward to drop the shoulder and slip inside and kick the ball over the bar. Just do simple things well.
Dublin have guys who could pop up and make those incisions and tag those scores on. They took control of possession and found a way to kick themselves into a three-point lead at the end of normal time. John Small was excellent in the second half and Jonny Cooper too. Donal Vaughan was a shining light for Mayo: had they won, he was the man of the match.
So: 70 minutes gone. And the board goes up and shows seven minutes just as Cillian O'Connor scores a free. And Dublin decide: let's just keep ball. And the longer you watched them do this, on a treacherous surface, you felt they would slip or make a mistake and cough it up. Yet they didn't. Their handling was very good and their composure was what we have all come to expect.
Then Vaughan steals in for a huge point and Dublin still try to manage the clock. Then came the sideline ball and with 30 seconds left, having kept the ball from the 70th minute to the 76th, Connolly decides to kick for a score. I can't get my head around this: a short sideline pass and they keep it and they have the All-Ireland.
After the shot goes wide, they fail to push up on the kick-out quickly enough and the ball goes out to a Mayo player on the Cusack Stand side and then it goes into the centre. There are 25 seconds left in the All-Ireland final and I notice that four Dublin players don't sprint back. I'm thinking: 15 behind the ball. Just survive for 25 seconds and it's over.
Instead, Mayo came through the middle. It was a magnificent point by O'Connor under pressure, but I couldn't believe Dublin didn't shut them down.
Why? That's a big question. Was it because they were out on their feet?
I asked a question here last week: can Mayo keep Dublin to 16 points? And if they can, what would that game look like? So they kept them to 0-9 and two own goals. But Sunday didn't look like the game I had imagined in my mind. I didn't see anything new or leftfield from Mayo.
I thought I might see two innovations: an off-the-hook, ultra-intense mentality. Don't get me wrong: some of the defending was lion-hearted and their recovery from the brink of another bleak All-Ireland defeat was hugely impressive. But I just didn't see the fire and gung-ho positivity that might have carried them to victory in the last 15 minutes of normal time. That only became visible when the cause was almost beyond their grasp.
Tenacious
And why not try something different? Why not go with not even two but three monsters at the edge of the square: O'Shea, Barry Moran and Tom Parsons? Bombard the square for a while and have the rest of the Mayo side defending as a unit of 12. Just see where that would bring them.
And if that doesn't work, have something else up your sleeve. I didn't see that. I just saw that familiar, very tenacious and honest Mayo team but nothing new. And I am fearful that Dublin will return to the norm in the replay and instead of kicking 0-9, they will kick 0-19. If it is a dry day, that will facilitate a higher scoring average.
Over the next fortnight, Mayo need to find a way to drag Dublin into the trenches because Dublin are vulnerable when they are brought there. I wouldn't be heaping too much praise on Mayo just yet. They've earned themselves another chance. But: they have another chance.
So can they come up with something? That's why I was talking about that primal dimension. Take Dublin back to that place when Brogan is skying the ball and Connolly is blasting the ball wide and they are addled. But I am not convinced that Mayo will do that in the replay. I feel it will be the same set-up: Aidan going in full forward and Andy and Cillian in the corner and Kevin McLoughlin playing sweeper.
I don't believe that will be enough. I think Mayo are saying to themselves: "We are as good as Dublin. We are good enough. We stick to our principles. We're going to win this because we are as good as Dublin." And, yes, you have to believe in yourself. But you also have to accept that that is not quite true. Pound for pound, Dublin carry more offensive threat than any football team in Ireland.
That doesn't mean Mayo can't become All-Ireland champions. I just a have a gut conviction that Mayo need to introduce something new and unexpected to finally shift the dynamic fully in their favour.
Only the two teams really know what happened out there. The rest of us have to wait for a fortnight for the true answers.
Leftfield :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3grqa6t71w
Howe many articles has Jim McGuinness written on how to beat Dublin? Must be a couple dozen at this stage. He's gotten some milage out of it anyway.
The curse only applies to All Ireland finals in September, somebody missed the Ts&Cs, we're sorted. Roll on October 1st!
Quote from: Canalman on September 20, 2016, 11:11:39 AM
Crazy crazy game. We should have been beaten by anything upwards of 5 points but amazingly found ourselves 5 points up at half time and 2 up after normal time. No rhyme nor reason to the game.
By the way, can you imagine the meltdown if Dublin were down after normal time and 7 minutes extra time was announced.
Two Dublin players literally had their shirts torn off them during the game. Never seen that before tbh.
That amount of extra-time was completely justified.
Remember the days when you could have any amount of stoppages during a game and there would still only be 2 minutes added on?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2016, 11:26:38 AM
I dunno what McG was at this morning; he had already said that Mayo got the matchups rights, so now he wants them to try something new.
I'll back Rochford's judgement any day over his.
I think neither Horan nor Connolly/ Holmes had an ounce of tactical nous between them and the inability to spot the need to make changes or positional switches cost Mayo dearly during their tenures in office.
Even though Mayo were misfiring right up to the final, Rochford impressed me by his preparation for each game. I think he outfoxed Jim Gavin on Sunday and that's no mean feat.
I'm quite happy with our prospects now.
There was very little between Mayo and Dublin last year and the absolute shambles H&C made of directing play on the field ultimately cost them their jobs.
Mayo felt they could have taken Dublin then if only Holmes and Pateen hadn't left their plans of campaign behind them in their hotel.
The personnel on either side hadn't altered significantly in the interim, so which should Mayo have been overawed by their opponents?
Also, I think Dublin has slipped back somewhat since last year. In the game v Kerry they were in trouble right to the closing stages when Kerry''s ancient warriors began to run out of steam.
Maybe there's truth in the notion that trying to win a two in a row can be put down to mental tiredness but the fact that Mayo were definitely rarin' to go from the start was the major cause of Dublin's subdued display last Sunday.
There's no reason to believe that Gavin will outfox Rochford next time either. The usual suspects who consider themselves to be pundits had Dublin marked in as unbackable favourites the last day and they are at it again since Sunday.
They got it wrong then and they will get it wrong second time around.
Kerry would have won that match on Sunday that is the difference I think between them and Mayo
Quote from: Jinxy on September 20, 2016, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: Canalman on September 20, 2016, 11:11:39 AM
Crazy crazy game. We should have been beaten by anything upwards of 5 points but amazingly found ourselves 5 points up at half time and 2 up after normal time. No rhyme nor reason to the game.
By the way, can you imagine the meltdown if Dublin were down after normal time and 7 minutes extra time was announced.
Two Dublin players literally had their shirts torn off them during the game. Never seen that before tbh.
That amount of extra-time was completely justified.
Remember the days when you could have any amount of stoppages during a game and there would still only be 2 minutes added on?
That amount of injury time seems to be the norm in this years championship, quite a few games have had that sort of time added.
It makes sense IMO, especially if a lot of subs are used or there are any significant injuries
GBB nobody other than a few Rossies is that interested in reading about the first round of the league.
Good article from a Mayo perspective from ex-backroom man Kieran Shannon in the examiner
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/stephen-rochford-and-mayo-have-time-as-a-friend-for-replay-421871.html
Quote from: Kurtz on September 20, 2016, 11:54:22 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2016, 11:26:38 AM
I dunno what McG was at this morning; he had already said that Mayo got the matchups rights, so now he wants them to try something new.
I'll back Rochford's judgement any day over his.
I think neither Horan nor Connolly/ Holmes had an ounce of tactical nous between them and the inability to spot the need to make changes or positional switches cost Mayo dearly during their tenures in office.
Even though Mayo were misfiring right up to the final, Rochford impressed me by his preparation for each game. I think he outfoxed Jim Gavin on Sunday and that's no mean feat.
I'm quite happy with our prospects now.
There was very little between Mayo and Dublin last year and the absolute shambles H&C made of directing play on the field ultimately cost them their jobs.
Mayo felt they could have taken Dublin then if only Holmes and Pateen hadn't left their plans of campaign behind them in their hotel.
The personnel on either side hadn't altered significantly in the interim, so which should Mayo have been overawed by their opponents?
Also, I think Dublin has slipped back somewhat since last year. In the game v Kerry they were in trouble right to the closing stages when Kerry''s ancient warriors began to run out of steam.
Maybe there's truth in the notion that trying to win a two in a row can be put down to mental tiredness but the fact that Mayo were definitely rarin' to go from the start was the major cause of Dublin's subdued display last Sunday.
There's no reason to believe that Gavin will outfox Rochford next time either. The usual suspects who consider themselves to be pundits had Dublin marked in as unbackable favourites the last day and they are at it again since Sunday.
They got it wrong then and they will get it wrong second time around.
Kerry would have won that match on Sunday that is the difference I think between them and Mayo
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Whilst it is a fair observation that both Diarmuid Connolly and Aidan O'Shea were well below par on Sunday, kudos must go to Keegan and McMahon for sacrificing their own games and nullifying the threat of their opponents main danger man. Both Keegan and McMahon are 2 of the best attacking defenders in the game but they have proven they are actually very good at defending as well. If Keegan repeated the dose the next day and Mayo actually won Sam, he would be a firm favourite for footballer of the year imo.
I would add that Mayo need to plan for Barry Moran's introduction to the FF line, whenever it happens the next day.
There should be a raised level of awareness out the field that a tactical shift is required in terms of the delivery into the inside line.
Moran came on the last day and Mayo kept playing the same way bar one aimless hoof in the general direction of the square by AOS from a sideline ball (why was he even taking it?).
If you bring Moran on, use him properly, he's 7 foot tall ffs.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 20, 2016, 11:16:37 AM
I can't agree with Jimmy McGuinness' idea that Mayo need to bring something new. Why? They got their tactical set up correct on Sunday and held Dublin to 9 points and yet he is advoscating trying something completely different by playing 2 or 3 big men inside and bombarding the Dublin full back line with long balls. The irony of Jimmy above all people actually advocating this approach is lost on him. They need to come with the exact same game plan only execute it better. I watched the match again and was surprised at just how many unforced errors were made by both sides and Seamus O'Shea give away the ball stupidly 3 times in a row which had negative consequences for Mayo each time. It's not like Mayo played to their full capabilities, both sides can get better given a dry sod on the day. In my opinion Jim Gavin has more questions to answer than Rochford particularly in the forward line with Brogan and Flynn. Will he stay loyal to the old foot soldiers like Brogan and Flynn who look battle weary or will he throw in Mannion/O'Gara or Andrews from the start who are fresher with something to prove.
The more I think about it the more I agree, take out the 2 freak og's and we won that game by 6 point's, so our defensive system largely worked. If our defender's go in with the same level of intensity and keep the heads there's no reason to doubt they'll have the same success Saturday week. I'm still worried about Boyler though. ......
SOS had a good first half but nearly cost us the game in the second, he was out on his feet. My question is whether he's fit for 70 mins at this level?
JMcG's Donegal tactic is ok as a backup plan. Move AOS to full, add Moran to the mix and have a couple of forwards in close to battle for the breaks. If anything it could create confusion, Dub defenders double marking could open up a lot of space around the 30. These are big ifs though and this approach might allow Dublin to get their running game going if they were to break out. If Aidan can distribute the ball quicker the next day, then we might get a better return.
I expect no big changes from Rochford really, maybe tighten up midfield a bit. Fenton and Andrews will need minding.
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 20, 2016, 12:19:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 20, 2016, 11:16:37 AM
I can't agree with Jimmy McGuinness' idea that Mayo need to bring something new. Why? They got their tactical set up correct on Sunday and held Dublin to 9 points and yet he is advoscating trying something completely different by playing 2 or 3 big men inside and bombarding the Dublin full back line with long balls. The irony of Jimmy above all people actually advocating this approach is lost on him. They need to come with the exact same game plan only execute it better. I watched the match again and was surprised at just how many unforced errors were made by both sides and Seamus O'Shea give away the ball stupidly 3 times in a row which had negative consequences for Mayo each time. It's not like Mayo played to their full capabilities, both sides can get better given a dry sod on the day. In my opinion Jim Gavin has more questions to answer than Rochford particularly in the forward line with Brogan and Flynn. Will he stay loyal to the old foot soldiers like Brogan and Flynn who look battle weary or will he throw in Mannion/O'Gara or Andrews from the start who are fresher with something to prove.
The more I think about it the more I agree, take out the 2 freak og's and we won that game by 6 point's, so our defensive system largely worked. If our defender's go in with the same level of intensity and keep the heads there's no reason to doubt they'll have the same success Saturday week. I'm still worried about Boyler though. ......
SOS had a good first half but nearly cost us the game in the second, he was out on his feet. My question is whether he's fit for 70 mins at this level?
JMcG's Donegal tactic is ok as a backup plan. Move AOS to full, add Moran to the mix and have a couple of forwards in close to battle for the breaks. If anything it could create confusion, Dub defenders double marking could open up a lot of space around the 30. These are big ifs though and this approach might allow Dublin to get their running game going if they were to break out. If Aidan can distribute the ball quicker the next day, then we might get a better return.
I expect no big changes from Rochford really, maybe tighten up midfield a bit. Fenton and Andrews will need minding.
Don't agree... that was Mayo's best against probably Dublin's worst performance in 5 years!
If Mayo want to win the next day they have to try something different. Yes to a degree Mayo stopped Dublin but they played very poorly as well. You can't presume they will play like that the next day again!!
Quote from: ZeitChrist on September 19, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 19, 2016, 05:34:02 PM
I give up. He's an outstanding footballer. A real leader of men on the field. Pin all your hopes and dreams on him for the replay and see how far it goes. As I said, any of you pretending you have faith in him to go out and drag you to an all-Ireland are talking through your holes.
He actually is those things though. You know, I've come across a few people (mostly Dubs) who seem to have a completely irrational hatred of the O'Connor lad and seem to take it in an oddly personal way when he does well. It also leads to them ignoring blatant facts about him. He regularly does his part for Mayo, even if only as a free-taker, and does seem to be a genuine leader within the team. He's one of the steeliest players in the game right now, very mentally strong and regularly takes responsibility when the game is in the melting pot. He's an intelligent kid. Does he have a mischevious streak? Most definitely, as all top inter-county players should and do have. He's a great man to have on your side, probably frustrating to play against. If Mayo finish the job, which I think they will, you can be sure O'Connor will have had something to do with it.
That's because at a fundamental level the Dubs cannot comprehend how such a, in their view, backward arsehole of a place like Mayo, could put it up to them and beat them on a regular basis. They can take it from Kerry, they just cant take it from us and their outrage around players like Cillian, Lee Keegan and others is based on an "how dare they?" type of attitude. Alan Brogan, someone who was in the panel last year came out with his "don't poke the bear" bullshit article which shows what they really think.
Its good though, that along with their antics on Sunday with the delaying exiting the dressing room, leaving the parade early and other general shite around the field shows a surprisingly weak mind set.
If you are supposed to be that superior and really believe you are, well then just go out and win the f**king thing, and stop with the side shows. The fact that they didn't shows once again that we rattle them and it throws them off their game.
Quote from: screenexile on September 20, 2016, 12:32:39 PM
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 20, 2016, 12:19:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 20, 2016, 11:16:37 AM
I can't agree with Jimmy McGuinness' idea that Mayo need to bring something new. Why? They got their tactical set up correct on Sunday and held Dublin to 9 points and yet he is advoscating trying something completely different by playing 2 or 3 big men inside and bombarding the Dublin full back line with long balls. The irony of Jimmy above all people actually advocating this approach is lost on him. They need to come with the exact same game plan only execute it better. I watched the match again and was surprised at just how many unforced errors were made by both sides and Seamus O'Shea give away the ball stupidly 3 times in a row which had negative consequences for Mayo each time. It's not like Mayo played to their full capabilities, both sides can get better given a dry sod on the day. In my opinion Jim Gavin has more questions to answer than Rochford particularly in the forward line with Brogan and Flynn. Will he stay loyal to the old foot soldiers like Brogan and Flynn who look battle weary or will he throw in Mannion/O'Gara or Andrews from the start who are fresher with something to prove.
The more I think about it the more I agree, take out the 2 freak og's and we won that game by 6 point's, so our defensive system largely worked. If our defender's go in with the same level of intensity and keep the heads there's no reason to doubt they'll have the same success Saturday week. I'm still worried about Boyler though. ......
SOS had a good first half but nearly cost us the game in the second, he was out on his feet. My question is whether he's fit for 70 mins at this level?
JMcG's Donegal tactic is ok as a backup plan. Move AOS to full, add Moran to the mix and have a couple of forwards in close to battle for the breaks. If anything it could create confusion, Dub defenders double marking could open up a lot of space around the 30. These are big ifs though and this approach might allow Dublin to get their running game going if they were to break out. If Aidan can distribute the ball quicker the next day, then we might get a better return.
I expect no big changes from Rochford really, maybe tighten up midfield a bit. Fenton and Andrews will need minding.
Don't agree... that was Mayo's best against probably Dublin's worst performance in 5 years!
If Mayo want to win the next day they have to try something different. Yes to a degree Mayo stopped Dublin but they played very poorly as well. You can't presume they will play like that the next day again!!
There's plenty of scope for improvement for Mayo as well as Dublin.
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 20, 2016, 12:19:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 20, 2016, 11:16:37 AM
I can't agree with Jimmy McGuinness' idea that Mayo need to bring something new. Why? They got their tactical set up correct on Sunday and held Dublin to 9 points and yet he is advoscating trying something completely different by playing 2 or 3 big men inside and bombarding the Dublin full back line with long balls. The irony of Jimmy above all people actually advocating this approach is lost on him. They need to come with the exact same game plan only execute it better. I watched the match again and was surprised at just how many unforced errors were made by both sides and Seamus O'Shea give away the ball stupidly 3 times in a row which had negative consequences for Mayo each time. It's not like Mayo played to their full capabilities, both sides can get better given a dry sod on the day. In my opinion Jim Gavin has more questions to answer than Rochford particularly in the forward line with Brogan and Flynn. Will he stay loyal to the old foot soldiers like Brogan and Flynn who look battle weary or will he throw in Mannion/O'Gara or Andrews from the start who are fresher with something to prove.
The more I think about it the more I agree, take out the 2 freak og's and we won that game by 6 point's,
That's not how it works, if those don't go in the game is totally different and you might win by six or lose by six for that matter or anything in between, the whole game is different if one of those go in or neither of them do!
I think Dublin should be changing what they do far more than Mayo, another sub par performance and Mayo have them, I hope so anyway, for me, Mayo by a point or two.
Quote from: Kurtz on September 20, 2016, 11:54:22 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2016, 11:26:38 AM
I dunno what McG was at this morning; he had already said that Mayo got the matchups rights, so now he wants them to try something new.
I'll back Rochford's judgement any day over his.
I think neither Horan nor Connolly/ Holmes had an ounce of tactical nous between them and the inability to spot the need to make changes or positional switches cost Mayo dearly during their tenures in office.
Even though Mayo were misfiring right up to the final, Rochford impressed me by his preparation for each game. I think he outfoxed Jim Gavin on Sunday and that's no mean feat.
I'm quite happy with our prospects now.
There was very little between Mayo and Dublin last year and the absolute shambles H&C made of directing play on the field ultimately cost them their jobs.
Mayo felt they could have taken Dublin then if only Holmes and Pateen hadn't left their plans of campaign behind them in their hotel.
The personnel on either side hadn't altered significantly in the interim, so which should Mayo have been overawed by their opponents?
Also, I think Dublin has slipped back somewhat since last year. In the game v Kerry they were in trouble right to the closing stages when Kerry''s ancient warriors began to run out of steam.
Maybe there's truth in the notion that trying to win a two in a row can be put down to mental tiredness but the fact that Mayo were definitely rarin' to go from the start was the major cause of Dublin's subdued display last Sunday.
There's no reason to believe that Gavin will outfox Rochford next time either. The usual suspects who consider themselves to be pundits had Dublin marked in as unbackable favourites the last day and they are at it again since Sunday.
They got it wrong then and they will get it wrong second time around.
Kerry would have won that match on Sunday that is the difference I think between them and Mayo
Oh I see, so is it just their own games against Dublin that they cant win?
QuoteIts good though, that along with their antics on Sunday with the delaying exiting the dressing room, leaving the parade early and other general shite around the field shows a surprisingly weak mind set.
Taking about 2 minutes to take a fifty also.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 20, 2016, 12:17:46 PM
I would add that Mayo need to plan for Barry Moran's introduction to the FF line, whenever it happens the next day.
There should be a raised level of awareness out the field that a tactical shift is required in terms of the delivery into the inside line.
Moran came on the last day and Mayo kept playing the same way bar one aimless hoof in the general direction of the square by AOS from a sideline ball (why was he even taking it?).
If you bring Moran on, use him properly, he's 7 foot tall ffs.
AOS reminds me of the lad we all knew growing up. The bigget f*cker on the team who demands the ball at every break in play even though he couldn't hit a barn door with a shovel and nobody is able to stand up to him. He nearly cost us in the Tyrone match with the free to David Clarke that was very nearly intercepted. He should be banned from taking any free or sideline.
Quote from: Chimley on September 20, 2016, 12:45:28 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 20, 2016, 12:17:46 PM
I would add that Mayo need to plan for Barry Moran's introduction to the FF line, whenever it happens the next day.
There should be a raised level of awareness out the field that a tactical shift is required in terms of the delivery into the inside line.
Moran came on the last day and Mayo kept playing the same way bar one aimless hoof in the general direction of the square by AOS from a sideline ball (why was he even taking it?).
If you bring Moran on, use him properly, he's 7 foot tall ffs.
AOS reminds me of the lad we all knew growing up. The bigget f*cker on the team who demands the ball at every break in play even though he couldn't hit a barn door with a shovel and nobody is able to stand up to him. He nearly cost us in the Tyrone match with the free to David Clarke that was very nearly intercepted. He should be banned from taking any free or sideline.
On that point I also think sometimes that deep in his subconscious when he gets the ball he thinks he is still an u-16 or minor in that when he gets the ball all he needs to do is turn and drive down the middle and blast it to the net. He still somehow thinks he should be getting 5-4 per game. Which he could if you put a 5'10 innocent full back on him, but its only the mad counties like Sligo and Galway who do that on the odd occasion.
Quote from: Kurtz on September 20, 2016, 11:54:22 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2016, 11:26:38 AM
I dunno what McG was at this morning; he had already said that Mayo got the matchups rights, so now he wants them to try something new.
I'll back Rochford's judgement any day over his.
I think neither Horan nor Connolly/ Holmes had an ounce of tactical nous between them and the inability to spot the need to make changes or positional switches cost Mayo dearly during their tenures in office.
Even though Mayo were misfiring right up to the final, Rochford impressed me by his preparation for each game. I think he outfoxed Jim Gavin on Sunday and that's no mean feat.
I'm quite happy with our prospects now.
There was very little between Mayo and Dublin last year and the absolute shambles H&C made of directing play on the field ultimately cost them their jobs.
Mayo felt they could have taken Dublin then if only Holmes and Pateen hadn't left their plans of campaign behind them in their hotel.
The personnel on either side hadn't altered significantly in the interim, so which should Mayo have been overawed by their opponents?
Also, I think Dublin has slipped back somewhat since last year. In the game v Kerry they were in trouble right to the closing stages when Kerry''s ancient warriors began to run out of steam.
Maybe there's truth in the notion that trying to win a two in a row can be put down to mental tiredness but the fact that Mayo were definitely rarin' to go from the start was the major cause of Dublin's subdued display last Sunday.
There's no reason to believe that Gavin will outfox Rochford next time either. The usual suspects who consider themselves to be pundits had Dublin marked in as unbackable favourites the last day and they are at it again since Sunday.
They got it wrong then and they will get it wrong second time around.
Kerry would have won that match on Sunday that is the difference I think between them and Mayo
Yeah but Dublin caught them at the end of the semi game when the likes of O'Mahony, Cooper, Donaghy and Darran O'Sullivan ran out of puff.
I think Dublin would have run the feet off them once again if they met in the final.
I think Dublin were caught on the hop a bit by the intensity of tackling and workrate that Mayo brought to the game from the first whistle the last day. You would imagine they should have been expecting it but they just seemed to be a bit below the desired level that Gavin would have been looking for. And it's very hard to turn that switch back on mid-game even though they battled manfully. Obviously this is something I think Gavin will be looking to rectify for the replay. Dublin won't get the OG's again but I don't think they'll be waiting 30 minutes to score either.
Maurice Deegan to referee the replay.
Who does that suit? I tend to forget refs (except for Pat McEnaney, a special place in a bog near Ballycastle is waiting for him), so I'm not sure if we have a grudge against Maurice or not.
Is he a Laois man? That's not good so, he'll be in thrall to the lads from the big city.
Quote from: iorras on September 20, 2016, 02:00:02 PM
Who does that suit? I tend to forget refs (except for Pat McEnaney, a special place in a bog near Ballycastle is waiting for him), so I'm not sure if we have a grudge against Maurice or not.
Is he a Laois man? That's not good so, he'll be in thrall to the lads from the big city.
He waved play on after Cillian got a box from one of the McGees by the canal end line in 2012 final and Donegal scored a goal from resulting possession.
That's only gripe I have with him off top of my head...I'm sure we'll find more :D
I really hate the way we automatically assume all decisions are against us.
Mayo Banter on Facebook is full of this crap, although Hill 16 isn't any better.
I have no problem with Deegan. He reffed the 2012 Final and had nothing to do with the result iirc.
Quote from: stew on September 20, 2016, 12:40:15 PM
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 20, 2016, 12:19:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 20, 2016, 11:16:37 AM
I can't agree with Jimmy McGuinness' idea that Mayo need to bring something new. Why? They got their tactical set up correct on Sunday and held Dublin to 9 points and yet he is advoscating trying something completely different by playing 2 or 3 big men inside and bombarding the Dublin full back line with long balls. The irony of Jimmy above all people actually advocating this approach is lost on him. They need to come with the exact same game plan only execute it better. I watched the match again and was surprised at just how many unforced errors were made by both sides and Seamus O'Shea give away the ball stupidly 3 times in a row which had negative consequences for Mayo each time. It's not like Mayo played to their full capabilities, both sides can get better given a dry sod on the day. In my opinion Jim Gavin has more questions to answer than Rochford particularly in the forward line with Brogan and Flynn. Will he stay loyal to the old foot soldiers like Brogan and Flynn who look battle weary or will he throw in Mannion/O'Gara or Andrews from the start who are fresher with something to prove.
The more I think about it the more I agree, take out the 2 freak og's and we won that game by 6 point's,
That's not how it works, if those don't go in the game is totally different and you might win by six or lose by six for that matter or anything in between, the whole game is different if one of those go in or neither of them do!
I think Dublin should be changing what they do far more than Mayo, another sub par performance and Mayo have them, I hope so anyway, for me, Mayo by a point or two.
What I'm trying to say is that Mayo had set-up to snuff out the Dublin attack and barring the goals it largely worked. With some improvement from 2 or 3 individuals, I think we have the beating of them, fingers crossed
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2016, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 20, 2016, 12:32:39 PM
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 20, 2016, 12:19:03 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 20, 2016, 11:16:37 AM
I can't agree with Jimmy McGuinness' idea that Mayo need to bring something new. Why? They got their tactical set up correct on Sunday and held Dublin to 9 points and yet he is advoscating trying something completely different by playing 2 or 3 big men inside and bombarding the Dublin full back line with long balls. The irony of Jimmy above all people actually advocating this approach is lost on him. They need to come with the exact same game plan only execute it better. I watched the match again and was surprised at just how many unforced errors were made by both sides and Seamus O'Shea give away the ball stupidly 3 times in a row which had negative consequences for Mayo each time. It's not like Mayo played to their full capabilities, both sides can get better given a dry sod on the day. In my opinion Jim Gavin has more questions to answer than Rochford particularly in the forward line with Brogan and Flynn. Will he stay loyal to the old foot soldiers like Brogan and Flynn who look battle weary or will he throw in Mannion/O'Gara or Andrews from the start who are fresher with something to prove.
The more I think about it the more I agree, take out the 2 freak og's and we won that game by 6 point's, so our defensive system largely worked. If our defender's go in with the same level of intensity and keep the heads there's no reason to doubt they'll have the same success Saturday week. I'm still worried about Boyler though. ......
SOS had a good first half but nearly cost us the game in the second, he was out on his feet. My question is whether he's fit for 70 mins at this level?
JMcG's Donegal tactic is ok as a backup plan. Move AOS to full, add Moran to the mix and have a couple of forwards in close to battle for the breaks. If anything it could create confusion, Dub defenders double marking could open up a lot of space around the 30. These are big ifs though and this approach might allow Dublin to get their running game going if they were to break out. If Aidan can distribute the ball quicker the next day, then we might get a better return.
I expect no big changes from Rochford really, maybe tighten up midfield a bit. Fenton and Andrews will need minding.
Don't agree... that was Mayo's best against probably Dublin's worst performance in 5 years!
If Mayo want to win the next day they have to try something different. Yes to a degree Mayo stopped Dublin but they played very poorly as well. You can't presume they will play like that the next day again!!
There's plenty of scope for improvement for Mayo as well as Dublin.
Exactly !
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I can't agree with Jimmy McGuinness' idea that Mayo need to bring something new. Why? They got their tactical set up correct on Sunday and held Dublin to 9 points and yet he is advoscating trying something completely different by playing 2 or 3 big men inside and bombarding the Dublin full back line with long balls. The irony of Jimmy above all people actually advocating this approach is lost on him. They need to come with the exact same game plan only execute it better. I watched the match again and was surprised at just how many unforced errors were made by both sides and Seamus O'Shea give away the ball stupidly 3 times in a row which had negative consequences for Mayo each time. It's not like Mayo played to their full capabilities, both sides can get better given a dry sod on the day. In my opinion Jim Gavin has more questions to answer than Rochford particularly in the forward line with Brogan and Flynn. Will he stay loyal to the old foot soldiers like Brogan and Flynn who look battle weary or will he throw in Mannion/O'Gara or Andrews from the start who are fresher with something to prove.
The more I think about it the more I agree, take out the 2 freak og's and we won that game by 6 point's,
That's not how it works, if those don't go in the game is totally different and you might win by six or lose by six for that matter or anything in between, the whole game is different if one of those go in or neither of them do!
I think Dublin should be changing what they do far more than Mayo, another sub par performance and Mayo have them, I hope so anyway, for me, Mayo by a point or two.
What I'm trying to say is that Mayo had set-up to snuff out the Dublin attack and barring the goals it largely worked. With some improvement from 2 or 3 individuals, I think we have the beating of them, fingers crossed
The mayo defense largely did well.
BUT,
on the subject of the two own goals.....on another day the own goals wouldn't go in, but don't forget that on another day bernard brogan sticks the ball in the net instead of towards Kevin McLoughlin and Dean Rock catches the ball and sticks it in the net instead of dropping it onto colm Boyle's toe!
So it's much too simplistic to say that if the own goals don't go in Mayo are six points better off at the end of the game.
Don't forget as well that Brian Fenton had a second goal chance (i.e. in addition to the first one that lead to the own goal).
So If that goes in Dublin are 3 points better off???
And also Clarke dropped a ball in the second half which could have resulted in another goal.
It's all hypothetical arguments.
What happened, happened. And will have no bearing on the next day.
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2016, 02:06:40 PM
I really hate the way we automatically assume all decisions are against us.
Mayo Banter on Facebook is full of this crap, although Hill 16 isn't any better.
I have no problem with Deegan. He reffed the 2012 Final and had nothing to do with the result iirc.
Thank God, I haven't been on nosebook since I went back to school. I can imagine the amount of Mayo statuses. And that Banter page is terrible.
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2016, 02:06:40 PM
I really hate the way we automatically assume all decisions are against us.
Mayo Banter on Facebook is full of this crap, although Hill 16 isn't any better.
I have no problem with Deegan. He reffed the 2012 Final and had nothing to do with the result iirc.
Boyle could have been red carded....that was a crazy tackle
All in all the good calls and bad calls evened themselves out last week
I don't think either side can feel aggrieved
I bet a few will see the line on Saturday week
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Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2016, 02:06:40 PM
I really hate the way we automatically assume all decisions are against us.
Mayo Banter on Facebook is full of this crap, although Hill 16 isn't any better.
I have no problem with Deegan. He reffed the 2012 Final and had nothing to do with the result iirc.
Boyle could have been red carded....that was a crazy tackle
All in all the good calls and bad calls evened themselves out last week
I don't think either side can feel aggrieved
I bet a few will see the line on Saturday week
Cillian was close to black as well. I know MDMA could have also gone but if we lost Cillian at that stage, it was over.
So I agree that things probably evened out. The 7 minutes helped as well!
In fairness to the ref re extra-time, he made it very clear to the players (and viewers at home) that the watch was stopped during breaks in play, particularly when the free-takers were taking the piss.
Yeah I think he did well over all. First half he was a bit fussy, second half he swallowed the whistle a bit but no harm.
Linesman should have caught Basticks pick off the ground before the full suplex from Evan Regan but I suppose it would be a bit much to expect a ref to "award" an all Ireland to Mayo from a pick off the ground.
All one eyedness aside, change the jerseys for a second and imagine the narrative.
Dublin gifted ye two goals and ye still couldn't win it???
3 points up with 68 minutes gone and ye still couldn't win it?
Ye went to sleep after half time, 5 points on, should have pushed on. Never win an all Ireland doing that.
The experts would be telling us, just saying......
Any analysis based on the two own goals is basically flawed. Dublin had carved open the Mayo defense twice and it is highly likely that they would score one or both given the same opportunities. Likewise Mayo showed tremendous character to come back from the two own goals. Had the goals been scored by Dublin players, would the reaction have been the same.? It's one thing to pick yourself up after two pieces of unprecedented bad luck and another to react to conceeding two easy scores early in a game.
The main point I take from the game was that Mayo were very much up for it, won the early exchanges and dominated their men. While much has been said about the quality of our defenders I thought that the early defending by our forwards was key. Johnny Cooper and Philly Mac were rarely seen in our half of the field and it is often their presence allows the Dub forwards to slip their men. We lacked support at times when attacking. Dillon has the knack of slipping into space within scoring range. I had thought that he might start but it would be difficult to drop any of last week's starters. DOC ran out of steam (has to be an ongoing illness/injury) after a day of running. Again I thought the youngest O Shea might have been a better option than Barry Moran or Evan as he has the ball winning ability in front of goal as well as athleticism around the field.
Pundits are suggesting that we missed our chance. I think that might have been a fair call if we had ever headed Dublin in the second half. Given the conditions 15 points was a good score. Dublin were, and will be, rattled and no amount of talking will change that before Saturday week. Once again it will come down to 15 individual battles allied to the tactical nous on the sideline. So far I'd think it is advantage Mayo. The suggestion is that Dublin will never be as poor again but if Mayo apply themselves in the same way Dublin may not be capable of lifting it. You would imagine changes in the Dublin forward line but how demoralising would that be on the players dropped and would they be capable of lifting themselves in the last quarter should Mayo have a lead? O Gara & Bastick are not game winners and should Mannion and Andrews start instead of Flynn and McMenamin their bench would look thin enough if Brogan and Rock misfire again. Dublin have now played two hugely intensive games in a short period and allied to the extra minutes regularly being played in both halves Mayo might well be the fresher side. The intensity with which Stephen Coen hit the field amazed me and he looked hungry for ball. Perhaps our bench is deeper than we thought.
All to play for. If we are in it with 60 mins gone I would expect us to push on and win. There is a growing confidence about the team. I wish the same could be said about some of our supporters who feel that having paid for a ticket they can hurl abuse at our own players for long periods only to scream for them as heroes when the result dictates. There were times when I wished I was in the sea of Blue behind the goal where you wouldn't mind what abuse was thrown. 10th time lucky , God willing.
That's true enough regarding the own goals.
They happened because Dublin got right in on top of David Clarke twice in quick succession.
On a dry day, Brogan probably buries his chance first time and Dean Rock gathers the pass from Connolly, sidesteps Boyle and scores.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 20, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
Any analysis based on the two own goals is basically flawed. Dublin had carved open the Mayo defense twice and it is highly likely that they would score one or both given the same opportunities. Likewise Mayo showed tremendous character to come back from the two own goals. Had the goals been scored by Dublin players, would the reaction have been the same.? It's one thing to pick yourself up after two pieces of unprecedented bad luck and another to react to conceeding two easy scores early in a game.
The main point I take from the game was that Mayo were very much up for it, won the early exchanges and dominated their men. While much has been said about the quality of our defenders I thought that the early defending by our forwards was key. Johnny Cooper and Philly Mac were rarely seen in our half of the field and it is often their presence allows the Dub forwards to slip their men. We lacked support at times when attacking. Dillon has the knack of slipping into space within scoring range. I had thought that he might start but it would be difficult to drop any of last week's starters. DOC ran out of steam (has to be an ongoing illness/injury) after a day of running. Again I thought the youngest O Shea might have been a better option than Barry Moran or Evan as he has the ball winning ability in front of goal as well as athleticism around the field.
Pundits are suggesting that we missed our chance. I think that might have been a fair call if we had ever headed Dublin in the second half. Given the conditions 15 points was a good score. Dublin were, and will be, rattled and no amount of talking will change that before Saturday week. Once again it will come down to 15 individual battles allied to the tactical nous on the sideline. So far I'd think it is advantage Mayo. The suggestion is that Dublin will never be as poor again but if Mayo apply themselves in the same way Dublin may not be capable of lifting it. You would imagine changes in the Dublin forward line but how demoralising would that be on the players dropped and would they be capable of lifting themselves in the last quarter should Mayo have a lead? O Gara & Bastick are not game winners and should Mannion and Andrews start instead of Flynn and McMenamin their bench would look thin enough if Brogan and Rock misfire again. Dublin have now played two hugely intensive games in a short period and allied to the extra minutes regularly being played in both halves Mayo might well be the fresher side. The intensity with which Stephen Coen hit the field amazed me and he looked hungry for ball. Perhaps our bench is deeper than we thought.
All to play for. If we are in it with 60 mins gone I would expect us to push on and win. There is a growing confidence about the team. I wish the same could be said about some of our supporters who feel that having paid for a ticket they can hurl abuse at our own players for long periods only to scream for them as heroes when the result dictates. There were times when I wished I was in the sea of Blue behind the goal where you wouldn't mind what abuse was thrown. 10th time lucky , God willing.
Michael Murphy took the wind out of Mayo in 2012 and they never caught up after that during the match
This team seems to be different. I think Rochford gets the tactical side. Huge difference when players can have confidence in that.
Dublin were not let play. That is very important.
Over the last 5 years Mayo have been so close but this might be the year.
Dublin have been on the go for 2 full seasons as well.
QuoteCillian was close to black as well. I know MDMA could have also gone but if we lost Cillian at that stage, it was over.
So I agree that things probably evened out. The 7 minutes helped as well!
The last (i think) free we got on Parsons was a soft one. I think he was losing possession of the ball anyhow. That free (i think) led to the equalizer.
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QuoteCillian was close to black as well. I know MDMA could have also gone but if we lost Cillian at that stage, it was over.
So I agree that things probably evened out. The 7 minutes helped as well!
The last (i think) free we got on Parsons was a soft one. I think he was losing possession of the ball anyhow. That free (i think) led to the equalizer.
Yes, that was very soft I thought. Having watch the match back, I thought the free against AOS in first half when he managed to get in behind the Dubs defence (put it in net after whistle went) was also harsh enough.
Thought the ref did well overall, couple of decisions both sides can question, but didn't affect the outcome.
QuoteThought the ref did well overall, couple of decisions both sides can question, but didn't affect the outcome.
Ya, they even out alright. The 50/50 Clarke v Rock (i think ball) went against Clarke and led to a tap over. Thought this was a soft one for the home side.
I must watch the game again tonight.
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QuoteThought the ref did well overall, couple of decisions both sides can question, but didn't affect the outcome.
Ya, they even out alright. The 50/50 Clarke v Rock (i think ball) went against Clarke and led to a tap over. Thought this was a soft one for the home side.
I must watch the game again tonight.
Rock made a divot in the pitch after that to tee up the free....I remember thinking are we allowing that these days? Basic rule but surprised Rock did that because could have easily been a hop ball, his head must have been all over the shop.
Quote from: highorlow on September 20, 2016, 04:30:15 PM
QuoteCillian was close to black as well. I know MDMA could have also gone but if we lost Cillian at that stage, it was over.
So I agree that things probably evened out. The 7 minutes helped as well!
The last (i think) free we got on Parsons was a soft one. I think he was losing possession of the ball anyhow. That free (i think) led to the equalizer.
I thought it was soft at the time but having watched it back, MDMA pulled him on the shoulder as he was getting away which caused him to spill the ball so it was definitely a free imo
Quote from: highorlow on September 20, 2016, 04:30:15 PM
QuoteCillian was close to black as well. I know MDMA could have also gone but if we lost Cillian at that stage, it was over.
So I agree that things probably evened out. The 7 minutes helped as well!
The last (i think) free we got on Parsons was a soft one. I think he was losing possession of the ball anyhow. That free (i think) led to the equalizer.
Wrong on both counts.It was a double handed foul by Dermo(pull back with left and punch to shoulder with right to stop play rather than disposess.ref was a yard away so no choice.It led to AOS,s high hoof wide.
Quote from: highorlow on September 20, 2016, 04:55:33 PM
QuoteThought the ref did well overall, couple of decisions both sides can question, but didn't affect the outcome.
Ya, they even out alright. The 50/50 Clarke v Rock (i think ball) went against Clarke and led to a tap over. Thought this was a soft one for the home side.
I must watch the game again tonight.
we'll argue over these for the next 2 weeks. Thought Connolly was clearly fouled over on the Hogan stand side and Mayo broke for Moran to get a point when he could easily have got a goal.
Now that the Mayo diaspora has dispersed around the world again will there be more tickets available for Dubs next day? We were badly under-represented last Sunday.
No Galway or Kerry fans for tickets also and with it being a Sat evening I'd imagine more tickets about
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I would add that Mayo need to plan for Barry Moran's introduction to the FF line, whenever it happens the next day.
There should be a raised level of awareness out the field that a tactical shift is required in terms of the delivery into the inside line.
Moran came on the last day and Mayo kept playing the same way bar one aimless hoof in the general direction of the square by AOS from a sideline ball (why was he even taking it?).
If you bring Moran on, use him properly, he's 7 foot tall ffs.
AOS reminds me of the lad we all knew growing up. The bigget f*cker on the team who demands the ball at every break in play even though he couldn't hit a barn door with a shovel and nobody is able to stand up to him. He nearly cost us in the Tyrone match with the free to David Clarke that was very nearly intercepted. He should be banned from taking any free or sideline.
Couldn't agree more with the last line!
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2016, 02:06:40 PM
I really hate the way we automatically assume all decisions are against us.
Mayo Banter on Facebook is full of this crap, although Hill 16 isn't any better.
I have no problem with Deegan. He reffed the 2012 Final and had nothing to do with the result iirc.
Except for the passage leading up to the second Donegal goal. There was a blatant foul on Cillian down at the other end and they swept down the field to score when it wasn't given
I have had mixed feeling since Sunday! Actually I have strange emotions. We have done this drawning championship games the last two years and we have come out bad in the replays.
We have missed a huge chance. The lead up to this final was all about Dublin. Beating Kerry in the final. Their Character. Their 27 game unbeaten run. Their forwards. Their subs bench. Their backroom team. It's wonder Mayo togged out at all, if the media was to be believed. Even the natives down west bought into the story. Streets and Villages all over Mayo had never been as dead before a AI final (never!). This was set for the ambush and Full marks to our lads, they give 100% and more. They had a game plan and they executed it perfectly. Well almost perfectly. Regretfully, I think we have missed the boat. The opportunity was there, but fate seems to have put it beyond our grasp. The pendulum has swung. The media have started to talk about Mayo. Dublin are forewarned. There won't be many new surprises next Saturday that Rochford can pull from the hat. Just like last year, Dublin will learn form the original fixture and punish Mayo.
A horrible feeling is in my gut that Cillians equalising point is only prolonging the agony!
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Out of interest when was the last time Mayo lost a championship game to the defending All Ireland champions?
Kerry 2007?
Was it not Derry who put us out that year?
Yeah you are right Farr - Must be 2005 then?
I believe Mayo may have gone all in with their performance on Sunday and may have left it behind them to a certain extent. Difficult to maintain that level of intensity for another 70 mins. I can only see Dublin improving and one if not more of their forwards stepping up to make the difference in the replay.
I hope to be proved wrong.
Quote from: iorras on September 20, 2016, 02:00:02 PM
Who does that suit? I tend to forget refs (except for Pat McEnaney, a special place in a bog near Ballycastle is waiting for him), so I'm not sure if we have a grudge against Maurice or not.
Is he a Laois man? That's not good so, he'll be in thrall to the lads from the big city.
Deegan not good enough in my view. Not sure why he is being given a game of this stature. He's very easily swayed on his decisions, doesn't take a firm and consistent enough stance in his decision making. Could see both sides having serious gripes with some of his decisions the next day, but then there always seems to be nasty sniping back and forth between supporters of these teams.
As a matter of fact, I feel sorry for all Gaelic referees.
It's a case of damned if you do and double-damned if you don't for every poor hoor with his whistle in his gob. Conor Lane can feel with some justification that he did a pretty good job on Sunday since both sets of fans effed him in equal measure.
Conor must be in his late 40s or probably into his 50s and couldn't possibly keep up with all the goings-on on the field all around him. Thirty of the fittest and most revved up athletes in the country with 80,000 spectators roaring them on and anyone who really expects such a ref to turn in a flawless performance needs psychiatric intervention, fast.
Yet two of the most experienced refs in the business, McQuilland and Deegan, were acting as linesmen with no powers to intervene and alert the ref to anything he might have missed unless he asked for it.
Sure, a pair of garsúns outa sixth class could have done that.
There is no possible way that putting an extra ref on the field would work, the speed of the game alone would see to that. Besides, if changes are implemented in one type of game but not in others, chaos will be the inevitable result.
You either use two refs for all grades of games or you don't bother with the idea at all.
Those who watch proceedings on telly or those with a seat in the stands have a far better view of what's going on than the ref who is trying to keep up with the play at ground level. If there's a player or two between him and the ball, he has no way over looking over their heads and he can't see through them so inevitably he won't get every call right. I think the linesmen should have the authority to alert the ref if either one sees something they feel should be brought to his attention.
This could work equally well in an All Ireland final or in a junior game between Pollawaddy and Crucksbullaghadawn without a bother.
In all seriousness, the only fact we can be certain of as we await the replay is that Maurice Deegan will get assloads of abuse from Mayo and Dublin fans alike.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 20, 2016, 10:17:31 PM
I have had mixed feeling since Sunday! Actually I have strange emotions. We have done this drawning championship games the last two years and we have come out bad in the replays.
We have missed a huge chance. The lead up to this final was all about Dublin. Beating Kerry in the final. Their Character. Their 27 game unbeaten run. Their forwards. Their subs bench. Their backroom team. It's wonder Mayo togged out at all, if the media was to be believed. Even the natives down west bought into the story. Streets and Villages all over Mayo had never been as dead before a AI final (never!). This was set for the ambush and Full marks to our lads, they give 100% and more. They had a game plan and they executed it perfectly. Well almost perfectly. Regretfully, I think we have missed the boat. The opportunity was there, but fate seems to have put it beyond our grasp. The pendulum has swung. The media have started to talk about Mayo. Dublin are forewarned. There won't be many new surprises next Saturday that Rochford can pull from the hat. Just like last year, Dublin will learn form the original fixture and punish Mayo.
A horrible feeling is in my gut that Cillians equalising point is only prolonging the agony!
Maybe your waters are sending the wrong signals. Maybe Mayo are actually better than Dublin
Sometimes things work out.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2016, 10:57:13 PM
As a matter of fact, I feel sorry for all Gaelic referees.
It's a case of damned if you do and double-damned if you don't for every poor hoor with his whistle in his gob. Conor Lane can feel with some justification that he did a pretty good job on Sunday since both sets of fans effed him in equal measure.
Conor must be in his late 40s or probably into his 50s and couldn't possibly keep up with all the goings-on on the field all around him. Thirty of the fittest and most revved up athletes in the country with 80,000 spectators roaring them on and anyone who really expects such a ref to turn in a flawless performance needs psychiatric intervention, fast.
Yet two of the most experienced refs in the business, McQuilland and Deegan, were acting as linesmen with no powers to intervene and alert the ref to anything he might have missed unless he asked for it.
Sure, a pair of garsúns outa sixth class could have done that.
There is no possible way that putting an extra ref on the field would work, the speed of the game alone would see to that. Besides, if changes are implemented in one type of game but not in others, chaos will be the inevitable result.
You either use two refs for all grades of games or you don't bother with the idea at all.
Those who watch proceedings on telly or those with a seat in the stands have a far better view of what's going on than the ref who is trying to keep up with the play at ground level. If there's a player or two between him and the ball, he has no way over looking over their heads and he can't see through them so inevitably he won't get every call right. I think the linesmen should have the authority to alert the ref if either one sees something they feel should be brought to his attention.
This could work equally well in an All Ireland final or in a junior game between Pollawaddy and Crucksbullaghadawn without a bother.
In all seriousness, the only fact we can be certain of as we await the replay is that Maurice Deegan will get assloads of abuse from Mayo and Dublin fans alike.
Is that cause their colleagues in Galway are making them speak English?
http://gaaprostats.blogspot.ie/2016/09/why-mayo-came-so-closeand-whythey-didnt.html
Quote from: Well on September 20, 2016, 10:33:54 PM
I believe Mayo may have gone all in with their performance on Sunday and may have left it behind them to a certain extent. Difficult to maintain that level of intensity for another 70 mins. I can only see Dublin improving and one if not more of their forwards stepping up to make the difference in the replay.
I hope to be proved wrong.
A few well worn clichés here. The RTE panel would be proud.
I'm not convinced by the Dublin forward line. They look great when flat tracking a Leinster team programmed to take their beating but Connolly looks spooked by the very sight of Lee Keegan, Brogan and Flynn are living on past achievements, Kilkenny has talent to burn but this looks wasted as he runs around in circles picking up lose ball in his own half, shovelling the ball sideways. He appears to have lost the confidence to kick a long range point which was a big feature of his game when he burst onto the scene. Dean Rock will be lying awake sleepless tonight still agonising over his performance last Sunday - I hope for Dublins sake that he isn't a confidence player and McMannamon is a one trick pony who is meat and drink to a tight marking defence. The big danger for me will come from impact subs such as Mannion or Andrews who are capable of playing a little bit more off the cuff. Mayo are well matched v Dublin in their defence so don't make the mistake of thinking the Dublin performance up front was just a bad day at the office.
I lost a small bet on Mayo winning on Sunday but if they can put in a similar defensive performance as the last day, get Diarmuid O'Connor into the game and get the O'Se brothers to just do the feckin simple things right then I'd be fairly confident of recouping my money a week on Saturday.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 20, 2016, 10:17:31 PM
I have had mixed feeling since Sunday! Actually I have strange emotions. We have done this drawning championship games the last two years and we have come out bad in the replays.
We have missed a huge chance. The lead up to this final was all about Dublin. Beating Kerry in the final. Their Character. Their 27 game unbeaten run. Their forwards. Their subs bench. Their backroom team. It's wonder Mayo togged out at all, if the media was to be believed. Even the natives down west bought into the story. Streets and Villages all over Mayo had never been as dead before a AI final (never!). This was set for the ambush and Full marks to our lads, they give 100% and more. They had a game plan and they executed it perfectly. Well almost perfectly. Regretfully, I think we have missed the boat. The opportunity was there, but fate seems to have put it beyond our grasp. The pendulum has swung. The media have started to talk about Mayo. Dublin are forewarned. There won't be many new surprises next Saturday that Rochford can pull from the hat. Just like last year, Dublin will learn form the original fixture and punish Mayo.
A horrible feeling is in my gut that Cillians equalising point is only prolonging the agony!
I dunno. Who knows?
These games have a life of their own. I would be more hopeful going into the replay than I was for Sunday.
Sure Mayo have to do it all again but so do Dublin. Performances at the high end of any sport are not something that can be taken for granted. Mayo's lack of form coming into the final was disheartening but they showed some form the last day and that should be encouraging. That should boost confidence as well. A couple of lads like Doherty and Durcan had their best games for some time and a few more have more to give.
A lot has been made of the 2 freaky goals but we recovered well from them. Dublin players and even the fans were not energised by them. Perversely they were not the worst goals to concede. They were the result of good goal opportunities for Dublin anyway. If Brogan or Rock scored from play it could have well energised them to go on and have better games tan they did.
They pendulum swung back to Dublin in second half due to some silly stuff by us. Dublin got into a winning position largely picking off Mayo errors.
The next day will throw up its own misfortune for us probably. However our biggest 'misfortune' the last day was not the ogs which could not be legislated for, it was individual errors in second half that could be avoided. That can be addressed. In the past we lost due to tactical naivety or complete system failure. That was not the case the last day.
hopefully some of the injury rumours are just rumours and we have a full deck to play with again.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 20, 2016, 10:17:31 PM
I have had mixed feeling since Sunday! Actually I have strange emotions. We have done this drawning championship games the last two years and we have come out bad in the replays.
We have missed a huge chance. The lead up to this final was all about Dublin. Beating Kerry in the final. Their Character. Their 27 game unbeaten run. Their forwards. Their subs bench. Their backroom team. It's wonder Mayo togged out at all, if the media was to be believed. Even the natives down west bought into the story. Streets and Villages all over Mayo had never been as dead before a AI final (never!). This was set for the ambush and Full marks to our lads, they give 100% and more. They had a game plan and they executed it perfectly. Well almost perfectly. Regretfully, I think we have missed the boat. The opportunity was there, but fate seems to have put it beyond our grasp. The pendulum has swung. The media have started to talk about Mayo. Dublin are forewarned. There won't be many new surprises next Saturday that Rochford can pull from the hat. Just like last year, Dublin will learn form the original fixture and punish Mayo.
A horrible feeling is in my gut that Cillians equalising point is only prolonging the agony!
Do losses to Longford not count?
Hi folks, heading to Lanzarote with the family tomorrow for a couple of weeks and will miss replay. Anyone know whats best way to watch it online? Is rte player a goer? Pub might be an issue with 2 little ones!! :o
Quote from: spoofer on September 21, 2016, 12:43:08 AM
Hi folks, heading to Lanzarote with the family tomorrow for a couple of weeks and will miss replay. Anyone know whats best way to watch it online? Is rte player a goer? Pub might be an issue with 2 little ones!! :o
Wont be an issue in Lanzarote.
Quote from: spoofer on September 21, 2016, 12:43:08 AM
Hi folks, heading to Lanzarote with the family tomorrow for a couple of weeks and will miss replay. Anyone know whats best way to watch it online? Is rte player a goer? Pub might be an issue with 2 little ones!! :o
Sky Sports streams are easy to find allegedly
Quote from: ballinaman on September 20, 2016, 11:07:16 PM
http://gaaprostats.blogspot.ie/2016/09/why-mayo-came-so-closeand-whythey-didnt.html
Interesting stats backing up what most of us saw on Sunday. SOS and Boyle playing a large part in Dublins first half tally and it didn't get much better for poor Seamie in the second half.
Ballinaman that stats site is good in itself but it's unusual that yer man didn't talk about all the free's Dublin missed and the sideline.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 20, 2016, 11:10:18 PM
Quote from: Well on September 20, 2016, 10:33:54 PM
I believe Mayo may have gone all in with their performance on Sunday and may have left it behind them to a certain extent. Difficult to maintain that level of intensity for another 70 mins. I can only see Dublin improving and one if not more of their forwards stepping up to make the difference in the replay.
I hope to be proved wrong.
I'm not convinced by the Dublin forward line. They look great when flat tracking a Leinster team programmed to take their beating but Connolly looks spooked by the very sight of Lee Keegan, Brogan and Flynn are living on past achievements, Kilkenny has talent to burn but this looks wasted as he runs around in circles picking up lose ball in his own half, shovelling the ball sideways. He appears to have lost the confidence to kick a long range point which was a big feature of his game when he burst onto the scene. Dean Rock will be lying awake sleepless tonight still agonising over his performance last Sunday - I hope for Dublins sake that he isn't a confidence player and McMannamon is a one trick pony who is meat and drink to a tight marking defence.
That Dublin forward line has won 3 x AI's and 4 x Div 1 National leagues - I'm not sure what standards are set in your county to get your approval. Kevin McManamon has made significant contributions at the highest level for three AI's, again I'm not sure what is needed for your approval.
Sunday was not a day for forwards to shine - Brogan has had a mixed year but is generally a big game player, Flynn was poor all last year after a stellar number of years - a groin operation over last autumn was supposed to fix the issue. He's been playing deeper since but he has had a quiet year by his standards.
Quote from: heffo on September 21, 2016, 09:40:13 AM
Flynn was poor all last year after a stellar number of years - a groin operation over last autumn was supposed to fix the issue. He's been playing deeper since but he has had a quiet year by his standards.
Is he really "playing deeper"? He's just hovering between the two 45s, doing very little. With the very odd exception, he's simply not getting involved in attacks and not chasing back in defence. Against both Kerry and Mayo, his man had complete free reign. Flynn is getting the odd handpass, and then handpassing it on. I remember him kicking one ball in the direction of Bernard in the first half, I'm not sure if he kicked it at all in the 2nd.
I was disappointed that Gavin's initial subs were of lads who had just made mistakes, but at least they were trying to influence the game. Rather than the guy who was doing nothing.
They are very harsh comments on a player who has been absolutely brilliant for us in the past, 4 All Stars, but I'm assuming he doesn't read stupid message boards. Given he lasted 70 minutes before being taken off, I fear we're going to have to make do with playing with 14 men again next time.
Quote from: heffo on September 21, 2016, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 20, 2016, 11:10:18 PM
Quote from: Well on September 20, 2016, 10:33:54 PM
I believe Mayo may have gone all in with their performance on Sunday and may have left it behind them to a certain extent. Difficult to maintain that level of intensity for another 70 mins. I can only see Dublin improving and one if not more of their forwards stepping up to make the difference in the replay.
I hope to be proved wrong.
I'm not convinced by the Dublin forward line. They look great when flat tracking a Leinster team programmed to take their beating but Connolly looks spooked by the very sight of Lee Keegan, Brogan and Flynn are living on past achievements, Kilkenny has talent to burn but this looks wasted as he runs around in circles picking up lose ball in his own half, shovelling the ball sideways. He appears to have lost the confidence to kick a long range point which was a big feature of his game when he burst onto the scene. Dean Rock will be lying awake sleepless tonight still agonising over his performance last Sunday - I hope for Dublins sake that he isn't a confidence player and McMannamon is a one trick pony who is meat and drink to a tight marking defence.
That Dublin forward line has won 3 x AI's and 4 x Div 1 National leagues - I'm not sure what standards are set in your county to get your approval. Kevin McManamon has made significant contributions at the highest level for three AI's, again I'm not sure what is needed for your approval.
Sunday was not a day for forwards to shine - Brogan has had a mixed year but is generally a big game player, Flynn was poor all last year after a stellar number of years - a groin operation over last autumn was supposed to fix the issue. He's been playing deeper since but he has had a quiet year by his standards.
Fair enough, they have won 3 all Irelands - but are you confident that they are all still at that level? As things stand, I think Mayo match up pretty well against them and I don't subscribe to the view that they just had an off day and will improve significantly the next day. I may be proved wrong.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 21, 2016, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: heffo on September 21, 2016, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 20, 2016, 11:10:18 PM
Quote from: Well on September 20, 2016, 10:33:54 PM
I believe Mayo may have gone all in with their performance on Sunday and may have left it behind them to a certain extent. Difficult to maintain that level of intensity for another 70 mins. I can only see Dublin improving and one if not more of their forwards stepping up to make the difference in the replay.
I hope to be proved wrong.
I'm not convinced by the Dublin forward line. They look great when flat tracking a Leinster team programmed to take their beating but Connolly looks spooked by the very sight of Lee Keegan, Brogan and Flynn are living on past achievements, Kilkenny has talent to burn but this looks wasted as he runs around in circles picking up lose ball in his own half, shovelling the ball sideways. He appears to have lost the confidence to kick a long range point which was a big feature of his game when he burst onto the scene. Dean Rock will be lying awake sleepless tonight still agonising over his performance last Sunday - I hope for Dublins sake that he isn't a confidence player and McMannamon is a one trick pony who is meat and drink to a tight marking defence.
That Dublin forward line has won 3 x AI's and 4 x Div 1 National leagues - I'm not sure what standards are set in your county to get your approval. Kevin McManamon has made significant contributions at the highest level for three AI's, again I'm not sure what is needed for your approval.
Sunday was not a day for forwards to shine - Brogan has had a mixed year but is generally a big game player, Flynn was poor all last year after a stellar number of years - a groin operation over last autumn was supposed to fix the issue. He's been playing deeper since but he has had a quiet year by his standards.
Fair enough, they have won 3 all Irelands - but are you confident that they are all still at that level? As things stand, I think Mayo match up pretty well against them
Of course they match up well to them - Mayo have been a top side for a number of years - they've been 'there or thereabout' but not good enough. I wouldn't be writing off triple AI winners on the basis of a wet day in Croker.
It's a straight shoot out between management and tactics
mayo showed they were far superior the last day on the line only for the own goals so this is where Dublin will win or lose the game. plan a and plan b to thwart the mayo plans to nullify dublins attack.
ref again will have a big say and needs to be more consistent and equitable with his decisions.
a dry day might suit dublin but it's down to the strategies and tactics now.
this is great stuff. v intriguing.
can't wait for next game
Quote from: Chimley on September 21, 2016, 07:37:34 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 20, 2016, 11:07:16 PM
http://gaaprostats.blogspot.ie/2016/09/why-mayo-came-so-closeand-whythey-didnt.html
Interesting stats backing up what most of us saw on Sunday. SOS and Boyle playing a large part in Dublins first half tally and it didn't get much better for poor Seamie in the second half.
I was almost on my knees praying for Rochford to take Seamie ashore before he did the obvious and replaced him. There isn't a more hardworking, solid grafter in the business than Seamie but the lack of basic skills lets him down.
Nothing personal in that: I believe that his major faults can be eradicated with a bit of practice in training.
I remember only too clearly how the tactic of moving Aidan to the edge of the square and bombarding him with long-range ball from outfield misfired.
I think H&C tried this tactic, mindful of the damage Donaghy did to use in Limerick with Moran and others directing a string of pinpoint passes to him throughout the game.
I'm thinking of the Dublin games in particular here.
It was agony watching Seamie attempting to land shots in on Aidan. To put it charitably, his GPS system was backfiring and some of his efforts landed closer to the corner flag than the edge of the square.
He'll graft and grunt until he's ready to drop- there's no holding back but much of his efforts is wasted, wayward kicking and overholding the ball until he gets dispossessed time after time.
A bit of a bullock on the rampage like his younger brother, I'm afraid.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 21, 2016, 10:55:12 AM
Fair enough, they have won 3 all Irelands - but are you confident that they are all still at that level? As things stand, I think Mayo match up pretty well against them and I don't subscribe to the view that they just had an off day and will improve significantly the next day. I may be proved wrong.
I agree that there's no glaringly obvious reason why Dublin's forwards should be any better the next day than they were this time.
The 27 wins in a row statistic has annoyed me for a long time. Utterly irrelevant. About 20 of those matches, the opposition made absolutely no attempt to beat us, and we take the league seriously (rightly in my view, I've really enjoyed winning them after so many years with no league success).
As for the 6 forwards:
Connolly: Our best forward v Mayo. I was actually happy with him. Keegan and himself neutralised each other pretty much, although, in my biased opinion, Connolly influenced the game more than Keegan. I'd be happy for an exact repeat next time, but that may be wishful thinking.
Kilkenny: Plenty of workrate, but little incision. He played the way he's been playing in the All Ireland series. Goes sideways mostly, sometimes forwards, sometimes backwards! No reason to think he'll be better or worse next time. He's not a good shooter (poor technique), but he can get a good streaky run from time to time.
Flynn: Anonymous. Same as all year. No reason to think he'll do anything differently next time.
Brogan: Not in great form. Still gets to the ball (more often than not) ahead of his marker. But usually gets bottled up quickly or has to release. A similar performance to his others this year, so no reason to think we'll see an explosion next time.
McManamon: Plenty of workrate, didn't contribute a whole heap. Tried a shot off his left that went well wide (scored from a very similar position v Kerry). Big mistake from Gavin taking him off straight after he made a bad passing mistake, because it's the last quarter, when the game loses a lot of shape, that he excels (as he did v Kerry). My biased view is I think we'd have won by a few had Gavin taken off Flynn instead of Kev at that time.
Rock: I'm not Rock's biggest fan, by a long shot, but I'd give him a pass. The conditions, and a couple of very difficult starters counted against him. But he still came up with 2 pressure points late in the 2nd half. I wouldn't say he'll miss anything easy the next day, and he'll get a few hard ones too.
Subs:
Andrews: Did very well when he came on, but shackled well in the 2nd half in fairness to the Mayo defence (which was top notch). Surely has to start the next day. Surely?
Mannion: Pacy, lively, but didnt seem to have enough confidence to take on a man in a danger area and create a point scoring opportunity for himself.
O'Gara: Scored a point from 25 yards out in front of the posts v Kerry, and some Dublin fans thought this was utterly magnificent. Tried the same v Mayo and barely got it off the grass. Ineffective and will be ineffective again the next day.
Costello: With the grace of god, will have moved a place up the pecking order the next day and may see some action. Plenty of ability, yet to produce it in a big match (not having had a heap of opportunities, in fairness)
So overall, it's fair to expect a slight improvement in the Dublin forwards, but nothing of huge significance.
It's going to be a game that can go either way. Like almost all our championship games v Mayo in recent years.
Quote from: spoofer on September 21, 2016, 12:43:08 AM
Hi folks, heading to Lanzarote with the family tomorrow for a couple of weeks and will miss replay. Anyone know whats best way to watch it online? Is rte player a goer? Pub might be an issue with 2 little ones!! :o
Rte website had details on how to view it worldwide last Sunday, Google it and the page is probably still there
I think Dublins' forwards were a shadow of themselves on Sunday due to two things.
They had not came up against that intensity of tackle before i believe. Even v Kerry or against Mayo last year. It reminded me of Tyrone v Kerry in 2003 that Kerry were shell shocked and their forwards struggled to score all day (only scoring 6 points in total).
Dublin forwards were used to getting good ball and having time to lay if off or to turn and shoot but the ref was very willing to let a lot of robust challenges go (which could be given as fouls on other days) and so Dublin were rattled. Combine this with the wet conditions, so a very slippery ball to catch (as seen when Rock let a simple enough catch drop for Boyle to score the OG) and also to kick as we saw so many bad wides by both teams.
Mayo played like men possessed and even CoC was much more physical than normal to the extent that he could have got sent off or black carded. Dublin can play amazing attacking football if given time and space to do so and their forwards (and defenders) can hit amazing scores when confidence is high. However, when it's a wet day and you've defenders putting you under HUGE pressure then doubt soon creeps into your shooting as we saw from Brogan and Rock who usually rarely miss easy enough chances.
You would imagine Mayo can show this intensity again and if the ref "lets it flow" and doesn't give soft frees then I think Mayo will have a great chance again. A lot of teams fear Dublin and are mentally defeated even before they start (including Kerry recently) but Mayo showed them no respect whatsoever and if they can iron out some of their problems like the two O'Sheas wasting so much possession then I think we could see a surprise.
Are you even allowed wear long-sleeved jerseys during the championship now?
Can't remember the last time I saw them.
Pete McGrath was on the radio talking about how it's harder for players to gather the wet ball in first-time in short-sleeves than it is in long-sleeves.
Quote from: heffo on September 21, 2016, 10:58:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 21, 2016, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: heffo on September 21, 2016, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 20, 2016, 11:10:18 PM
Quote from: Well on September 20, 2016, 10:33:54 PM
I believe Mayo may have gone all in with their performance on Sunday and may have left it behind them to a certain extent. Difficult to maintain that level of intensity for another 70 mins. I can only see Dublin improving and one if not more of their forwards stepping up to make the difference in the replay.
I hope to be proved wrong.
I'm not convinced by the Dublin forward line. They look great when flat tracking a Leinster team programmed to take their beating but Connolly looks spooked by the very sight of Lee Keegan, Brogan and Flynn are living on past achievements, Kilkenny has talent to burn but this looks wasted as he runs around in circles picking up lose ball in his own half, shovelling the ball sideways. He appears to have lost the confidence to kick a long range point which was a big feature of his game when he burst onto the scene. Dean Rock will be lying awake sleepless tonight still agonising over his performance last Sunday - I hope for Dublins sake that he isn't a confidence player and McMannamon is a one trick pony who is meat and drink to a tight marking defence.
That Dublin forward line has won 3 x AI's and 4 x Div 1 National leagues - I'm not sure what standards are set in your county to get your approval. Kevin McManamon has made significant contributions at the highest level for three AI's, again I'm not sure what is needed for your approval.
Sunday was not a day for forwards to shine - Brogan has had a mixed year but is generally a big game player, Flynn was poor all last year after a stellar number of years - a groin operation over last autumn was supposed to fix the issue. He's been playing deeper since but he has had a quiet year by his standards.
Fair enough, they have won 3 all Irelands - but are you confident that they are all still at that level? As things stand, I think Mayo match up pretty well against them
Of course they match up well to them - Mayo have been a top side for a number of years - they've been 'there or thereabout' but not good enough. I wouldn't be writing off triple AI winners on the basis of a wet day in Croker.
Ok, is Brogan the player he was 4 or 5 years ago? Is Flynn the player he was 3 or 4 years ago? All Ireland medals or not, time catches up. We are talking about today - not 3 years ago here. We will agree to disagree about McManaman, I'm not convinced he is top drawer - neither has successive Dublin managers as he has often been left on the bench more often than not. I personally think that he is relatively easily bottled up when teams have time to prepare for him, coming off the bench can be a different story as organisation is harder to put in place at that point for a defence. Connolly gets cancelled out by Keegan and Rock is unproven - his performance on Sunday would be a worry though. Again, all im saying is, that I don't think the rain was the key factor on Sunday, they met a team who were well matched to them and they struggled up front. I don't subscribe to the view that Dublin will just crank up a gear and turn it on the replay. I apologise for this viewpoint as I fully understand that it's frowned upon on these pages to not think that Dublin are the greatest team in the history of team sport.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 12:03:46 PM
Are you even allowed wear long-sleeved jerseys during the championship now?
Can't remember the last time I saw them.
Pete McGrath was on the radio talking about how it's harder for players to gather the wet ball in first-time in short-sleeves than it is in long-sleeves.
There's a danger that it would be easier for the longer sleeve to get snagged on the velchro on the back of an opponents glove in close contact.
Quote from: Chimley on September 21, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 12:03:46 PM
Are you even allowed wear long-sleeved jerseys during the championship now?
Can't remember the last time I saw them.
Pete McGrath was on the radio talking about how it's harder for players to gather the wet ball in first-time in short-sleeves than it is in long-sleeves.
There's a danger that it would be easier for the longer sleeve to get snagged on the velchro on the back of an opponents glove in close contact.
What? Do they do a Health and Safety method statement on this stuff now.
Sounds like a genius idea, play with long sleeved jersies if its raining, spray rugby grip wax on the sleeves as well and the gloves.
Do any teams do that I wonder?
I think the long sleeve jerseys McHugh is referring to is the older style ones. The cotton type ones that rip the nipples off you when it's wet. The new style material is probably less adhesive than natural skin.
God, I remember playing a few underage games in a downpour wearing those heavy cotton jerseys.
They'd weigh half a stone by the end of it.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 12:03:46 PM
Are you even allowed wear long-sleeved jerseys during the championship now?
Can't remember the last time I saw them.
Pete McGrath was on the radio talking about how it's harder for players to gather the wet ball in first-time in short-sleeves than it is in long-sleeves.
Think McGrath has a valid point here.
Have to say also that the younger generation of footballers have an obsession with wearing mouldies all the time , even when wet. For me , last Sunday was a day for the screw in stud type boots for grip. Doubt many wore them last Sunday.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 21, 2016, 12:19:15 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 21, 2016, 10:58:17 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 21, 2016, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: heffo on September 21, 2016, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 20, 2016, 11:10:18 PM
Quote from: Well on September 20, 2016, 10:33:54 PM
I believe Mayo may have gone all in with their performance on Sunday and may have left it behind them to a certain extent. Difficult to maintain that level of intensity for another 70 mins. I can only see Dublin improving and one if not more of their forwards stepping up to make the difference in the replay.
I hope to be proved wrong.
I'm not convinced by the Dublin forward line. They look great when flat tracking a Leinster team programmed to take their beating but Connolly looks spooked by the very sight of Lee Keegan, Brogan and Flynn are living on past achievements, Kilkenny has talent to burn but this looks wasted as he runs around in circles picking up lose ball in his own half, shovelling the ball sideways. He appears to have lost the confidence to kick a long range point which was a big feature of his game when he burst onto the scene. Dean Rock will be lying awake sleepless tonight still agonising over his performance last Sunday - I hope for Dublins sake that he isn't a confidence player and McMannamon is a one trick pony who is meat and drink to a tight marking defence.
That Dublin forward line has won 3 x AI's and 4 x Div 1 National leagues - I'm not sure what standards are set in your county to get your approval. Kevin McManamon has made significant contributions at the highest level for three AI's, again I'm not sure what is needed for your approval.
Sunday was not a day for forwards to shine - Brogan has had a mixed year but is generally a big game player, Flynn was poor all last year after a stellar number of years - a groin operation over last autumn was supposed to fix the issue. He's been playing deeper since but he has had a quiet year by his standards.
Fair enough, they have won 3 all Irelands - but are you confident that they are all still at that level? As things stand, I think Mayo match up pretty well against them
Of course they match up well to them - Mayo have been a top side for a number of years - they've been 'there or thereabout' but not good enough. I wouldn't be writing off triple AI winners on the basis of a wet day in Croker.
Ok, is Brogan the player he was 4 or 5 years ago? Is Flynn the player he was 3 or 4 years ago? All Ireland medals or not, time catches up. We are talking about today - not 3 years ago here. We will agree to disagree about McManaman, I'm not convinced he is top drawer - neither has successive Dublin managers as he has often been left on the bench more often than not. I personally think that he is relatively easily bottled up when teams have time to prepare for him, coming off the bench can be a different story as organisation is harder to put in place at that point for a defence. Connolly gets cancelled out by Keegan and Rock is unproven - his performance on Sunday would be a worry though. Again, all im saying is, that I don't think the rain was the key factor on Sunday, they met a team who were well matched to them and they struggled up front. I don't subscribe to the view that Dublin will just crank up a gear and turn it on the replay. I apologise for this viewpoint as I fully understand that it's frowned upon on these pages to not think that Dublin are the greatest team in the history of team sport.
Actually think the rain and slippy underfoot conditions was a big factor in the game. It makes it a day for defenders. The last two All-Ireland finals have been played in similar wet slippy conditions and in both games the Dublin forwards have struggled. Even against Kerry last year while Dublin always looked comfortable they could only eke out a narrow 3 point win despite being completely in control of the game.
It's Ireland though so no guarantee it's dry for the replay.
Quote from: Canalman on September 21, 2016, 01:33:38 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 12:03:46 PM
Are you even allowed wear long-sleeved jerseys during the championship now?
Can't remember the last time I saw them.
Pete McGrath was on the radio talking about how it's harder for players to gather the wet ball in first-time in short-sleeves than it is in long-sleeves.
Think McGrath has a valid point here.
Have to say also that the younger generation of footballers have an obsession with wearing mouldies all the time , even when wet. For me , last Sunday was a day for the screw in stud type boots for grip. Doubt many wore them last Sunday.
That pitch won't take a stud though, no matter how much rain there is.
You'd be crippled.
Correct Jinxy
Croke park is always 'solid' underfoot and when the surface gets wet, it becomes extremely greasy and balls skid along rather than take a 'normal' bounce.
It makes it very difficult to control the ball and suits defenders.
Quote from: spoofer on September 21, 2016, 12:43:08 AM
Hi folks, heading to Lanzarote with the family tomorrow for a couple of weeks and will miss replay. Anyone know whats best way to watch it online? Is rte player a goer? Pub might be an issue with 2 little ones!! :o
RTE.Mainstreet i think said that the rte player was open with geo block removed for the game,I tried it just now and the geo is back up but you,ll be nearer hq even in lanzarote and like he said on the day so worth a peak.
GAAGO.Ive Derry,Kerry,and Donny mates both sides of the big pond who swear by this but invariably at some point have all ended up swearing at it!
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This one ya can take to the bank.Ive used this under shadow of aztec pyramids,cantinas where landlords stuck it up on a big screen yet you wouldnt get phone reception!Every game perfect.
The match is on skysports 2 but i stuck the address(dont know how to do links)for 5,GAA Championship review at 11pm tonight as you should do a dry run to work it out and check quality before ya leave,nothing worse than shittn a brick about seeing the big game,have it in your pocket.
Good luck on your travels
Thon "los futbolistas de Mayo.......y Dublin" ;D
This is superb
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-and-mayo-are-peers-but-they-are-not-seen-as-equals-1.2798747
Dublin and Mayo are peers but they are not seen as equals
Close your eyes and imagine Mayo had given away a three point lead in injury time
about 12 hours ago
Malachy Clerkin
The greatest rebranding exercise in Irish sport took place in Croke Park seven years ago. Nothing to do with Mayo or Dublin, nothing to do with the GAA at all, in fact. No, it was the day Leinster rugby rose up as one and thumped Munster in the Heineken Cup semi-final in front of 82,000.
It was a duffing, plain and simple. A brutal declaration of not taking this anymore. It was a kid who'd spent years being picked on turning bully and very much enjoying it.
If you put together a montage you'd overlay it with Thom Yorke of Radiohead sneering "this is what you get when you mess with us".
It's funny now to look back and recall just how easy it was to insult Leinster in those days. There was the Ladyboy stuff, obviously, but not all the jibes were that unsubtle.
I remember being on a radio panel that afternoon on a makeshift stage at the front of the Croke Park hotel and one of the other talking heads making fun of Isa Nacewa's kicking style out of his hand.
The rest of us kind of chuckled along, but not because we had given it any particularly deep thought before. It was more that, yeah, sure that's the kind of thing Leinster would do, isn't it? Bring in a fella to play full-back who didn't kick the ball properly. That was, like, soooo Leinster.
Everything changed for them that day.
They beat Munster 25-6 and by three tries to none, and went on to win their first Heineken Cup three weeks later. They followed up with two more, and nobody ever mentioned Ladyboys again. Nacewa, of course, became a club legend.
Second Captains
Nobody laughs at Leinster now. When they fail, they get criticised. It's not always even-handed and it can often be harsh and even spiteful, as with all teams. But the undercurrent of derision that was once there is a long-since faded memory. That's what happens in sport. Winning changes how people see you, and it takes a lot to change it back.
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Swap the jerseys
Close your eyes and swap the jerseys last Sunday. Imagine Mayo had been three points up in the 69th minute and still found a way not to win.
Imagine they'd been a point up with two minutes to go and Cillian O'Connor had tried to score from a sideline ball, leaving enough time on the clock after he missed for Dublin to equalise from the kickout.
Imagine the combination of pity and disdain that would have been directed Mayo's way.
Imagine also what would have been said about Dublin. The mark of champions. Stuck to their process, trusted their experience. Dug it out when the need was greatest. Never beaten till they're beaten. All guff, really. But – and this is the key point – all thoroughly believable guff.
When you win you put a nice big chunk of change on deposit in the bank where nobody can touch it.
You are forgiven for all manner of ills and spills because you have shown that you have a record of being able to get across the line. Judgement is usually sensible and mostly benign.
When you don't win people don't want to hear it. It's a simple truth that Mayo have given Dublin stiffer examinations than Kerry since 2011 – Kerry have lost four from four, Mayo have one win, two draws and two defeats.
Yet if this was a Dublin-Kerry replay we were preparing for it is unlikely you would be hearing very much talk of Kerry having left it behind them the first day.
Instead the inevitable consensus says that Dublin can't possibly be as bad in the replay as they were on Sunday. They will find their feet, their shooting boots and enough goals of their own not to have to rely on Mayo's.
Gripe pile
Sure as night follows day, this view has annoyed some Mayo people no end. It goes on the gripe pile, along with – and this is not a gag – the fact that there were two Dubs on The Sunday Game panel the other night. One of them was Des Cahill. This is the sort of paranoia that strikes people who feel they are not being taken seriously.
They should let it wash over them, frankly. Leaving Croke Park on Sunday night it was hard to feel too sorry for the gathered thousands of Mayo people on the streets.
Leave aside all the fatalism and the talk of famine and all the rest of it. This must be an enthralling time to feel connected to the Mayo football team.
Honesty
Imagine looking down from the stands and seeing those players as your representatives. The honesty, the drive, the total manic unwillingness to allow their myriad flaws define them.
There are plenty worse things you could be doing with your life than following the Mayo football team around.
For the rest of us, though, it's disgustingly simple. Time and again over the past five seasons Dublin and Mayo have shown themselves to be peers. Yet there is no chance of them being seen as equals unless and until Mayo go and beat them. You are who you are until you change who you are.
Only one way to do that.
RTÉ has confirmed coverage details for the All-Ireland SFC final replay between Dublin and Mayo on Saturday week, throw-in 5pm.
Michael Lyster will be joined by Colm O'Rourke, Joe Brolly and Pat Spillane for The Saturday Game Live on RTÉ Two for coverage from Croke Park from 4pm.
Ger Canning will be joined in the commentary booth by Martin Carney.
It must be in his contract or something.
Was hoping it would be Darragh Maloney.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 01:08:23 PM
God, I remember playing a few underage games in a downpour wearing those heavy cotton jerseys.
They'd weigh half a stone by the end of it.
And god love the poor fella having to carry the bag of jerseys home for the wash and them weighing ten tonne.
Not sure I believe in the idea that Dublin just had a bad day at the office nor do I believe they suffered because of the rain. They won an All-Ireland in far worse conditions last year. Two of their starting forwards have been off form all year and I see no reason why they would suddenly rediscover that form before the final. Additionally Mayo are more than a match for Dublin physically and I actually thought they out muscled Dublin throughout the match last Sunday. What should be concerning from a Dublin point of view is that their players looked out on their feet towards the end. Mayo looked the fresher team both mentally and physically.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 21, 2016, 07:39:05 PM
RTÉ has confirmed coverage details for the All-Ireland SFC final replay between Dublin and Mayo on Saturday week, throw-in 5pm.
Michael Lyster will be joined by Colm O'Rourke, Joe Brolly and Pat Spillane for The Saturday Game Live on RTÉ Two for coverage from Croke Park from 4pm.
Ger Canning will be joined in the commentary booth by Martin Carney.
Why Martin Carney again? He played (and managed underage) for Mayo! Should it not be someone from Ulster/Munster?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2016, 08:23:22 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 21, 2016, 07:39:05 PM
RTÉ has confirmed coverage details for the All-Ireland SFC final replay between Dublin and Mayo on Saturday week, throw-in 5pm.
Michael Lyster will be joined by Colm O'Rourke, Joe Brolly and Pat Spillane for The Saturday Game Live on RTÉ Two for coverage from Croke Park from 4pm.
Ger Canning will be joined in the commentary booth by Martin Carney.
Why Martin Carney again? He played (and managed underage) for Mayo! Should it not be someone from Ulster/Munster?
Sky have the two best Ulster pundits and I think the next best one is on the Radio..... Óisín??
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2016, 08:23:22 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 21, 2016, 07:39:05 PM
RTÉ has confirmed coverage details for the All-Ireland SFC final replay between Dublin and Mayo on Saturday week, throw-in 5pm.
Michael Lyster will be joined by Colm O'Rourke, Joe Brolly and Pat Spillane for The Saturday Game Live on RTÉ Two for coverage from Croke Park from 4pm.
Ger Canning will be joined in the commentary booth by Martin Carney.
Why Martin Carney again? He played (and managed underage) for Mayo! Should it not be someone from Ulster/Munster?
'Why always Martin?'
Quote from: ZeitChrist on September 21, 2016, 08:06:53 PM
Not sure I believe in the idea that Dublin just had a bad day at the office nor do I believe they suffered because of the rain. They won an All-Ireland in far worse conditions last year. Two of their starting forwards have been off form all year and I see no reason why they would suddenly rediscover that form before the final. Additionally Mayo are more than a match for Dublin physically and I actually thought they out muscled Dublin throughout the match last Sunday. What should be concerning from a Dublin point of view is that their players looked out on their feet towards the end. Mayo looked the fresher team both mentally and physically.
or............ for all mayo's apparent dominance it was still the team in blue that created 4 goals chances,kicked 3 easy points into the goalies hands and watch a sub totally miscue a simple point along the ground in the dying minutes. They did all that on a bad day - you' wonder what they'll do if they actually do play well.
That's an excellent piece seafoid, and it's so true about the BS media narratives after the game. If the roles were reversed Mayo would be a laughing stock (wrongly of course).
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 07:47:11 PM
It must be in his contract or something.
Was hoping it would be Darragh Maloney.
Yeah, Darragh is immeasurably better.
Carney is biased but still better than Tom by a country mile
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Hi folks, heading to Lanzarote with the family tomorrow for a couple of weeks and will miss replay. Anyone know whats best way to watch it online? Is rte player a goer? Pub might be an issue with 2 little ones!! :o
RTE.Mainstreet i think said that the rte player was open with geo block removed for the game,I tried it just now and the geo is back up but you,ll be nearer hq even in lanzarote and like he said on the day so worth a peak.
GAAGO.Ive Derry,Kerry,and Donny mates both sides of the big pond who swear by this but invariably at some point have all ended up swearing at it!
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This one ya can take to the bank.Ive used this under shadow of aztec pyramids,cantinas where landlords stuck it up on a big screen yet you wouldnt get phone reception!Every game perfect.
The match is on skysports 2 but i stuck the address(dont know how to do links)for 5,GAA Championship review at 11pm tonight as you should do a dry run to work it out and check quality before ya leave,nothing worse than shittn a brick about seeing the big game,have it in your pocket.
Good luck on your travels
Thon "los futbolistas de Mayo.......y Dublin" ;D
Thanks for all the info people. I'll be more than sorted now. Miffed i'm missing being there but i'll plough on
Tough over here in Puerto del Carmen. 26 degrees, went for a swim earlier and when I came back to the clan found I had a bit of sand in me 'corona'! Rough 8)
Quote from: straightred on September 21, 2016, 08:45:19 PM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on September 21, 2016, 08:06:53 PM
Not sure I believe in the idea that Dublin just had a bad day at the office nor do I believe they suffered because of the rain. They won an All-Ireland in far worse conditions last year. Two of their starting forwards have been off form all year and I see no reason why they would suddenly rediscover that form before the final. Additionally Mayo are more than a match for Dublin physically and I actually thought they out muscled Dublin throughout the match last Sunday. What should be concerning from a Dublin point of view is that their players looked out on their feet towards the end. Mayo looked the fresher team both mentally and physically.
or............ for all mayo's apparent dominance it was still the team in blue that created 4 goals chances,kicked 3 easy points into the goalies hands and watch a sub totally miscue a simple point along the ground in the dying minutes. They did all that on a bad day - you' wonder what they'll do if they actually do play well.
You've missed my point. I'm questioning the very narrative that Dublin simply had one off day and that it could never happen again. That's such an unsatisfactory explanation for their performance on Sunday, completely void of any real thought or analysis, and it shows blatant disrespect to the opposition. My point was that from a Dubs point of view, I would be concerned about whether Dublin are as fresh as Mayo and whether they could be physically and mentally out-muscled. Mayo look steelier than ever and they seem to have timed things very well to be hitting peak physical fitness for later in the year. The trek through the qualifiers can do wonders for the body and mind. They looked like they could have kept going the last day, while the dubs looked liek they couldn't get out of there quick enough.
and as much as people keeping harping on about Dublin's scope for improvement, so too do Mayo have room for improvement. They can get better performances out of their key individuals and I'm sure they'll do something about Fenton as he seems to make Dublin tick and was highly influential on sunday. Put someone with a good engine on him and keep him quiet and it would go a long way to helping their cause.
Quote from: straightred on September 21, 2016, 08:45:19 PM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on September 21, 2016, 08:06:53 PM
Not sure I believe in the idea that Dublin just had a bad day at the office nor do I believe they suffered because of the rain. They won an All-Ireland in far worse conditions last year. Two of their starting forwards have been off form all year and I see no reason why they would suddenly rediscover that form before the final. Additionally Mayo are more than a match for Dublin physically and I actually thought they out muscled Dublin throughout the match last Sunday. What should be concerning from a Dublin point of view is that their players looked out on their feet towards the end. Mayo looked the fresher team both mentally and physically.
or............ for all mayo's apparent dominance it was still the team in blue that created 4 goals chances,kicked 3 easy points into the goalies hands and watch a sub totally miscue a simple point along the ground in the dying minutes. They did all that on a bad day - you' wonder what they'll do if they actually do play well.
Mayo created 3 goal chances, 1 blocked, 1 blasted over the bar and 1 harshly blown for a free out.
As for kicking the ball into the keeper's hands, isn't that Joe Brolly's proof that Lee Keegan is a loser and capitulates under pressure?
Quote from: muppet on September 21, 2016, 10:27:51 PM
Quote from: straightred on September 21, 2016, 08:45:19 PM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on September 21, 2016, 08:06:53 PM
Not sure I believe in the idea that Dublin just had a bad day at the office nor do I believe they suffered because of the rain. They won an All-Ireland in far worse conditions last year. Two of their starting forwards have been off form all year and I see no reason why they would suddenly rediscover that form before the final. Additionally Mayo are more than a match for Dublin physically and I actually thought they out muscled Dublin throughout the match last Sunday. What should be concerning from a Dublin point of view is that their players looked out on their feet towards the end. Mayo looked the fresher team both mentally and physically.
or............ for all mayo's apparent dominance it was still the team in blue that created 4 goals chances,kicked 3 easy points into the goalies hands and watch a sub totally miscue a simple point along the ground in the dying minutes. They did all that on a bad day - you' wonder what they'll do if they actually do play well.
Mayo created 3 goal chances, 1 blocked, 1 blasted over the bar and 1 harshly blown for a free out.
As for kicking the ball into the keeper's hands, isn't that Joe Brolly's proof that Lee Keegan is a loser and capitulates under pressure?
I'm not with you on the brolly reference as I honestly don't listen to him anymore.All i know is that it's criminal wastage - Rock's one in the 2nd half in particular was just poor full stop. As for the goal chances - there was nothing harsh about the free out. That was a clear push and he blew for it immediately. However, that's all detail.My point is that for all the talk about how poor Dublin were they left close to 10 points out there due to poor finishing and I don't expect them to do that again.
Quote from: straightred on September 21, 2016, 11:28:46 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 21, 2016, 10:27:51 PM
Quote from: straightred on September 21, 2016, 08:45:19 PM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on September 21, 2016, 08:06:53 PM
Not sure I believe in the idea that Dublin just had a bad day at the office nor do I believe they suffered because of the rain. They won an All-Ireland in far worse conditions last year. Two of their starting forwards have been off form all year and I see no reason why they would suddenly rediscover that form before the final. Additionally Mayo are more than a match for Dublin physically and I actually thought they out muscled Dublin throughout the match last Sunday. What should be concerning from a Dublin point of view is that their players looked out on their feet towards the end. Mayo looked the fresher team both mentally and physically.
or............ for all mayo's apparent dominance it was still the team in blue that created 4 goals chances,kicked 3 easy points into the goalies hands and watch a sub totally miscue a simple point along the ground in the dying minutes. They did all that on a bad day - you' wonder what they'll do if they actually do play well.
Mayo created 3 goal chances, 1 blocked, 1 blasted over the bar and 1 harshly blown for a free out.
As for kicking the ball into the keeper's hands, isn't that Joe Brolly's proof that Lee Keegan is a loser and capitulates under pressure?
I'm not with you on the brolly reference as I honestly don't listen to him anymore.All i know is that it's criminal wastage - Rock's one in the 2nd half in particular was just poor full stop. As for the goal chances - there was nothing harsh about the free out. That was a clear push and he blew for it immediately. However, that's all detail.My point is that for all the talk about how poor Dublin were they left close to 10 points out there due to poor finishing and I don't expect them to do that again.
The point that Malachy Clerking made so well is that you, and most others, only bother analysing one half of the puzzle.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2016, 07:47:11 PM
It must be in his contract or something.
Was hoping it would be Darragh Maloney.
"One way of looking at the history of the human group is that it has been a continuing struggle against the veneration of 'crap'." Neil Postman
Dublin were good but they compete in a dead province. Kilkenny had the same problem in the early years of the Cody regime and they got ambushed a few times. Regarding longevity, Dublin are not Kilkenny.
They won the 2011 All Ireland with a last minute free. They beat Kerry by 3 points last year. Wow. They are not galacticos.
They can bitchslap Kerry but they have 2 wins, 2 draws and a loss against Mayo.
Maybe the Mayo semi last year was the real all Ireland.
Mayo have been held back by psychological issues but maybe Rochford has addressed them. They were also weak tactically previously. Perhaps they have improved in this area. Maybe they do have the balls.
And media are lazy. Reading the Indo last weekend was very insightful.
J. K. Galbraith "The conventional wisdom"gives way not so much to new ideas as to "the massive onslaught of circumstances with which it cannot contend".
Mayo by 5
Current Mayo management have matched last year's management successes . Acid test for them is Saturday week.
Really, Mayo should win the replay pulling up on the basis of last Sunday. But there are alot of Dublin players stinging from the criticism they are getting and maybe there is one last sting in the dying wasp. Age profile of alot of the key Dublin players now an issue.
Quote from: Canalman on September 22, 2016, 09:59:04 AM
Current Mayo management have matched last year's management successes . Acid test for them is Saturday week.
Really, Mayo should win the replay pulling up on the basis of last Sunday. But there are alot of Dublin players stinging from the criticism they are getting and maybe there is one last sting in the dying wasp. Age profile of alot of the key Dublin players now an issue.
I doubt the current management are going to leave the tactics behind them in the hotel lobby on the morning replay this year, that'll be a start.
"age profile of a lot of key dublin players now an issue"
Yes 13 days older is a significant amount of time in the age profile of the modern footballer.
I was interested to hear how many players and pundits talk after the game about how a wet day in croker makes a huge difference. That the grass gets very greasy and the ball is like a bar of soap. I thought it affected Dublin more than Mayo to be honest and so I thought too much was being made of it as an excuse but interesting to read Darragh O'Se's take on it from today's Irish Times.
As a player, the feeling after a drawn All-Ireland final is unique. There is no game in your career that you have put more of yourself into; then all of a sudden it's over and you don't know what to do with yourself.
The amazing thing about a draw is that even though everyone knows that a game must end one of three ways, we only really ever consider two of them.
I remember playing Galway in 2000 and not even being sure what way to shake hands with them at the final whistle. It's one thing shaking hands with a guy you won't see again until the League. It's easy to be friends when the war is over. But knowing I had to see them again in a fortnight just threw me for a minute.
All through the build-up to a final, the aftermath is in the back of your mind. It's away in the back but it's there somewhere. If you win, it'll be mighty. If you lose, it'll be brutal. But those are the only two possibilities you have in your head. You don't think about what might happen if it's a draw.
It's a total anti-climax. It's like a wedding that doesn't go ahead. You're neither here nor there. There's no enjoyment in it. The end of the season is a release – you've been aiming for it and living like a schoolboy for months. And then, out of nowhere, it's delayed. It's hard to get your head around.
The next two weeks are also a bit different to what has gone before. For the last month or two, you have been having the time of your life. Training on summer's evenings, hard ground, sun setting, all that jazz. Students on the panel haven't a thing to worry about; it's the same for teachers. This is holiday time and what better thing would you be doing with your holidays than training for an All-Ireland?
However, the two teams would have been back training together last night. The sun was gone by 7.30pm. The ground was soft after the rain from the weekend. The students were back at college – I presume a few of the Mayo lads are studying in Dublin so there's travel involved.
The weather was colder. The air had smoke coming from the chimneys in the local neighbourhood because people are lighting the fire for the first time since the spring.
It can take a couple of days to get your head right. I don't think the managers can simply go: "Right lads, it's only half-time here – let's get stuck in."
It feels different. You have to let these players get the first game out of their system, allow them to come down from the emotional high of playing in that game and clear their heads.
In fairness, players these days are probably better able to handle things happening out of the blue than we were. They won't get involved in any sideshows.
As for the game itself, I don't want to pick on referee Conor Lane too much but I think it's fair to say he missed a good few things on Sunday. He got things wrong for both sides and balanced the books as the game went on.
Reality
Is he the best referee in the country? No. That's not a criticism, it's just reality. Is he the most experienced? Again, no. So why not make the referee for the final someone better and more experienced? The same guys referee the hurling final all the time: if it's not Brian Gavin, it's Barry Kelly or James Owens. They're the best referees so they do the biggest games.
Who's nose did David Coldrick or Maurice Deegan put out of joint that they didn't get the football final? These games are too important to put in the hands of someone who hasn't done a lot of big games before. I know Lane refereed the club final in March but otherwise has he done many big games in Croke Park? I don't think he has ever done an All-Ireland semi-final, for example.
Why did they put a guy in that position when he wasn't used to it? It's unfair on him and it's unfair on players. A draw papers over the cracks and everyone moves on and goes again. But ultimately it's not good enough.
The other thing that they'd want to keep an eye on is the ball they use. For the second year in a row, they got a rainy day in Croke Park for the final and, as everyone can see, that pitch gets very greasy with a shower of rain on it. But there's a big problem with the ball when the final comes on a rainy day.
Croke Park breaks out a brand new ball for the final and they put six behind each goal straight out of the wrapper. That's all well and good on a fine day, but a new O'Neill's ball is a total bar of soap in the rain. The water slides off it, like it does off a new wax jacket.
Anybody who has ever played football knows that the ball is different a few weeks after it gets used for the first time. There's a bit more grip on it, the leather is a bit more worn down. But a brand new ball has a shine on it and as soon as water gets anywhere near it, it becomes nearly impossible to control.
The major effect is to swing the game massively towards defenders. Every inter-county player has a way of protecting the ball in possession that can survive a regulation tackle. If you're running with the ball and the tackle comes in, you pull it into you by reflex. But if it's a brand new ball on a rainy day, it can just as easily pop out itself.
That plays on your mind. You're more careful in possession, which makes you slower. In an All-Ireland final, you need to be forceful and decisive. You need to impose your will on the opposition. If your will involves punching the ball away so the forward can't collect it, then a slippy new ball straight out of the wrapper is ideal.
After about five minutes on Sunday, Bernard Brogan went over to the sideline and flicked a ball up into his hands. He was in front of Brendan Harrison and started turning in towards goal . You've seen him do it 100 times: run out, collect the ball, drive infield and pop the point.
But just as he got his head up, Harrison got a hand in and flicked the ball away. He barely had to touch the ball to knock it out of Brogan's grasp. It was good defending, yes. But he was helped by the fact that it took very little pressure to dislodge the ball.
So it was a backs day on Sunday, no question. Dublin's shooting was well below par and Mayo had some wild ones as well. I know Aidan O'Shea drove a lot of people mad with that shot at the end but in fairness to him, I thought he put in a serious day's work otherwise.
Spectacular
O'Shea skinned Cian O'Sullivan with a run in the first half to set up a goal chance for Patrick Durcan – the move started with that Harrison dispossession, in fact. He tackled like a demon all day and got hit plenty too without cribbing about it. He attracted Dublin players to him like a honeypot and freed up his teammates.
O'Shea shouldn't have gone for the spectacular shot at the end – it wasn't the day for the big 40-yarder with the outside of the boot. But I thought he did plenty in the game.
Someone else who was better than people gave him credit for was Stephen Cluxton. Mayo got a run on Dublin at the start of the second half but it was Cluxton who calmed everything down with his kickouts. He hit Brian Fenton long into midfield like a bullet from a gun after one of them. He mixed it up and went to John Small for another.
These weren't easy, short dribblers out to the corner back. They were tough kicks into small windows but they got Dublin back on the front foot. Mayo's job hasn't changed for the replay. They must target Cluxton, who is still Dublin's most important player.
Underperformed
I didn't play well in the drawn All-Ireland final in 2000. For that reason, I was delighted there was a replay and I'd say I was probably able to get focused on it more quickly than some of the guys who had played well.
I was just relieved that I wasn't going to have to spend the winter in the horrors because I had underperformed in an All-Ireland final and lost the game.
Nothing stings like turning up in an All-Ireland final and letting it pass you by. Usually, the best-case scenario is you get back the following year but the reality is most players never get back. So to have another shot a fortnight later is like getting a pardon from the prison warden just as they're strapping you into the electric chair. You'll do everything you can to make it count.
So I'd watch out for Brogan, Paul Flynn, Kevin McManamon and these guys in the replay. They're getting a second bite of the cherry, whether they deserve it or not. I won't make up my mind until next week but I get the feeling that could be the difference in the replay.
Quote from: westbound on September 21, 2016, 03:32:29 PM
Correct Jinxy
Croke park is always 'solid' underfoot and when the surface gets wet, it becomes extremely greasy and balls skid along rather than take a 'normal' bounce.
It makes it very difficult to control the ball and suits defenders.
That's a common opinion, but I'm not sure that a greasy ball 'suits' defenders. A greasy ball is a fast ball, and in my experience, testing conditions are a great test of your skills. The more skillful you are, the more able you are to deal with stuff like that. A lack of skill gets exposed in wet/slippy conditions because your touch has to be better, your balance has to be better, your technique has to be better.
A slippy day was a nightmare for defenders in my experience, because if they made a mistake, it was punished and I don't think good forwards are neutralised by bad weather.
Bad PITCHES on the other hand were a leveller. A boggy surface, where you can't run quickly is a much more serious impediment for a good forward. That does negate speed advantages.
I'd agree that it's less about the ball and more about the pitch.
Look at Dean Rock trying to kick off the ground in the first half.
His technique was completely different as he wasn't confident that his non-kicking foot was secure when he planted it.
He effectively 'stood over' the ball at the point of contact because if he was to lean back he would lose his footing.
This meant he forced his kicks and as a result they dropped short.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 22, 2016, 10:26:00 AM
"age profile of a lot of key dublin players now an issue"
Yes 13 days older is a significant amount of time in the age profile of the modern footballer.
It was the 30 or so years before the 13 days I was more concerned about.
I think people say it suits defenders better because they mean it's easier for them to dispossess the forward or know the ball away out of their hands. It's easier to spoil than to get the ball into your possession, turn without falling and get your balance right to shoot without sliding off your standing foot and kick the ball cleanly without your foot mis-hitting it because it's so slippery.
There were several examples of Brogan, McManamon, O'Gara and Rock all looking very cautious and unbalanced when taking shots or where the ball wasn't hit cleanly.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 22, 2016, 11:08:39 AM
I think people say it suits defenders better because they mean it's easier for them to dispossess the forward or know the ball away out of their hands. It's easier to spoil than to get the ball into your possession, turn without falling and get your balance right to shoot without sliding off your standing foot and kick the ball cleanly without your foot mis-hitting it because it's so slippery.
There were several examples of Brogan, McManamon, O'Gara and Rock all looking very cautious and unbalanced when taking shots or where the ball wasn't hit cleanly.
Yes, I understand and agree with that point. It is harder to hold a greasy ball in a tackle, but on balance I think a greasy ball is as much a benefit for a good forward as a defender, and in a lot of scenarios a slippy, quick ball is brilliant. If your touch and balance is good, you can burn a defender who over commits.
As regards Brogan and the lads, I wouldn't be surprised that the likes of O'Gara and Rock were affected because I think their balance wouldn't be the best anyway, they are tall rangy guys. Brogan should, and does, have better balance. I just think he's not playing particularly well.
In Ireland, there isn't really an excuse for a top forward to struggle with kicking a greasy ball, or on a greasy pitch. It's not as if they've never seen it before. That's why I say a greasy ball, or a greasy pitch (not a boggy pitch) is a great test of things like balance and touch, and the better players should handle that better than less accomplished technicians.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 22, 2016, 11:08:39 AM
I think people say it suits defenders better because they mean it's easier for them to dispossess the forward or know the ball away out of their hands. It's easier to spoil than to get the ball into your possession, turn without falling and get your balance right to shoot without sliding off your standing foot and kick the ball cleanly without your foot mis-hitting it because it's so slippery.
There were several examples of Brogan, McManamon, O'Gara and Rock all looking very cautious and unbalanced when taking shots or where the ball wasn't hit cleanly.
It undoubtedly suits defenders. The ball is greasy so is harder to control meaning more drops, more turnovers, the ball is much easier to dislodge. Footing is harder so there are more slips and skids. Now defenders can slip as well but in general it is forwards who are jinking and turning quickly trying to get away from defenders so are more susceptible to falling on their arse IMO. It's harder for a forward to get secure footing when shooting leading to more wides, more balls dropped short. Balls skid and fly off the surface leading to more misplaced passes, etc. Obviously there are exceptions where teams shoot the lights out in wet conditions but they are definitely the exception rather than the rule.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2016, 11:17:27 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 22, 2016, 11:08:39 AM
I think people say it suits defenders better because they mean it's easier for them to dispossess the forward or know the ball away out of their hands. It's easier to spoil than to get the ball into your possession, turn without falling and get your balance right to shoot without sliding off your standing foot and kick the ball cleanly without your foot mis-hitting it because it's so slippery.
There were several examples of Brogan, McManamon, O'Gara and Rock all looking very cautious and unbalanced when taking shots or where the ball wasn't hit cleanly.
Yes, I understand and agree with that point. It is harder to hold a greasy ball in a tackle, but on balance I think a greasy ball is as much a benefit for a good forward as a defender, and in a lot of scenarios a slippy, quick ball is brilliant. If your touch and balance is good, you can burn a defender who over commits.
As regards Brogan and the lads, I wouldn't be surprised that the likes of O'Gara and Rock were affected because I think their balance wouldn't be the best anyway, they are tall rangy guys. Brogan should, and does, have better balance. I just think he's not playing particularly well.
In Ireland, there isn't really an excuse for a top forward to struggle with kicking a greasy ball, or on a greasy pitch. It's not as if they've never seen it before. That's why I say a greasy ball, or a greasy pitch (not a boggy pitch) is a great test of things like balance and touch, and the better players should handle that better than less accomplished technicians.
Nah, sorry AZ I'd have to disagree.
I've good balance but if you put me on that pitch last Sunday I'd be like a newborn giraffe wearing roller-skates.
You wouldn't find a better balanced footballer than Connolly and he slipped several times.
Like I said already, I think the more skilled players will be able to deal with the ball-handling challenges of a wet day, but when a pitch is as hard and as slick as Croke Park was the last day, you either play your normal game and slip and slide all over the place, or you hold back a few % and focus on the basics.
'Limited' players adapt more easily to conditions like that because they just focus on the basics.
Secure possession and take the simple option.
More 'expressive' players struggle because they can't do what they would normally do, i.e. turn quickly, take their opponent on, shoot from distance etc.
This leads to frustration, poor shot selection, basic skill errors etc.
We'll agree to disagree so. The better your balance, the better you can handle slippy conditions. I'm not talking about a bog now, but a greasy pitch. I actually think Connolly was slipping because he had one eye on Keegan, which was taking him out of his normal slick movement.
If you have 1 lad with great balance, and 1 lad who is less balanced, and put them out on a slippy surface, who adapts better? The original point was that it suited defenders better, and I'm just saying I don't agree with that view, because I think it suits the better balanced, technically skillful guys.
Both lads themselves would probably prefer a nice sunny day mind you.
Wet days suit backs better cos they're not as soft as forwards
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 22, 2016, 10:33:16 AM
I was interested to hear how many players and pundits talk after the game about how a wet day in croker makes a huge difference. That the grass gets very greasy and the ball is like a bar of soap. I thought it affected Dublin more than Mayo to be honest and so I thought too much was being made of it as an excuse but interesting to read Darragh O'Se's take on it from today's Irish Times.
As a player, the feeling after a drawn All-Ireland final is unique. There is no game in your career that you have put more of yourself into; then all of a sudden it's over and you don't know what to do with yourself.
The amazing thing about a draw is that even though everyone knows that a game must end one of three ways, we only really ever consider two of them.
I remember playing Galway in 2000 and not even being sure what way to shake hands with them at the final whistle. It's one thing shaking hands with a guy you won't see again until the League. It's easy to be friends when the war is over. But knowing I had to see them again in a fortnight just threw me for a minute.
All through the build-up to a final, the aftermath is in the back of your mind. It's away in the back but it's there somewhere. If you win, it'll be mighty. If you lose, it'll be brutal. But those are the only two possibilities you have in your head. You don't think about what might happen if it's a draw.
It's a total anti-climax. It's like a wedding that doesn't go ahead. You're neither here nor there. There's no enjoyment in it. The end of the season is a release – you've been aiming for it and living like a schoolboy for months. And then, out of nowhere, it's delayed. It's hard to get your head around.
The next two weeks are also a bit different to what has gone before. For the last month or two, you have been having the time of your life. Training on summer's evenings, hard ground, sun setting, all that jazz. Students on the panel haven't a thing to worry about; it's the same for teachers. This is holiday time and what better thing would you be doing with your holidays than training for an All-Ireland?
However, the two teams would have been back training together last night. The sun was gone by 7.30pm. The ground was soft after the rain from the weekend. The students were back at college – I presume a few of the Mayo lads are studying in Dublin so there's travel involved.
The weather was colder. The air had smoke coming from the chimneys in the local neighbourhood because people are lighting the fire for the first time since the spring.
It can take a couple of days to get your head right. I don't think the managers can simply go: "Right lads, it's only half-time here – let's get stuck in."
It feels different. You have to let these players get the first game out of their system, allow them to come down from the emotional high of playing in that game and clear their heads.
In fairness, players these days are probably better able to handle things happening out of the blue than we were. They won't get involved in any sideshows.
As for the game itself, I don't want to pick on referee Conor Lane too much but I think it's fair to say he missed a good few things on Sunday. He got things wrong for both sides and balanced the books as the game went on.
Reality
Is he the best referee in the country? No. That's not a criticism, it's just reality. Is he the most experienced? Again, no. So why not make the referee for the final someone better and more experienced? The same guys referee the hurling final all the time: if it's not Brian Gavin, it's Barry Kelly or James Owens. They're the best referees so they do the biggest games.
Who's nose did David Coldrick or Maurice Deegan put out of joint that they didn't get the football final? These games are too important to put in the hands of someone who hasn't done a lot of big games before. I know Lane refereed the club final in March but otherwise has he done many big games in Croke Park? I don't think he has ever done an All-Ireland semi-final, for example.
Why did they put a guy in that position when he wasn't used to it? It's unfair on him and it's unfair on players. A draw papers over the cracks and everyone moves on and goes again. But ultimately it's not good enough.
The other thing that they'd want to keep an eye on is the ball they use. For the second year in a row, they got a rainy day in Croke Park for the final and, as everyone can see, that pitch gets very greasy with a shower of rain on it. But there's a big problem with the ball when the final comes on a rainy day.
Croke Park breaks out a brand new ball for the final and they put six behind each goal straight out of the wrapper. That's all well and good on a fine day, but a new O'Neill's ball is a total bar of soap in the rain. The water slides off it, like it does off a new wax jacket.
Anybody who has ever played football knows that the ball is different a few weeks after it gets used for the first time. There's a bit more grip on it, the leather is a bit more worn down. But a brand new ball has a shine on it and as soon as water gets anywhere near it, it becomes nearly impossible to control.
The major effect is to swing the game massively towards defenders. Every inter-county player has a way of protecting the ball in possession that can survive a regulation tackle. If you're running with the ball and the tackle comes in, you pull it into you by reflex. But if it's a brand new ball on a rainy day, it can just as easily pop out itself.
That plays on your mind. You're more careful in possession, which makes you slower. In an All-Ireland final, you need to be forceful and decisive. You need to impose your will on the opposition. If your will involves punching the ball away so the forward can't collect it, then a slippy new ball straight out of the wrapper is ideal.
After about five minutes on Sunday, Bernard Brogan went over to the sideline and flicked a ball up into his hands. He was in front of Brendan Harrison and started turning in towards goal . You've seen him do it 100 times: run out, collect the ball, drive infield and pop the point.
But just as he got his head up, Harrison got a hand in and flicked the ball away. He barely had to touch the ball to knock it out of Brogan's grasp. It was good defending, yes. But he was helped by the fact that it took very little pressure to dislodge the ball.
So it was a backs day on Sunday, no question. Dublin's shooting was well below par and Mayo had some wild ones as well. I know Aidan O'Shea drove a lot of people mad with that shot at the end but in fairness to him, I thought he put in a serious day's work otherwise.
Spectacular
O'Shea skinned Cian O'Sullivan with a run in the first half to set up a goal chance for Patrick Durcan – the move started with that Harrison dispossession, in fact. He tackled like a demon all day and got hit plenty too without cribbing about it. He attracted Dublin players to him like a honeypot and freed up his teammates.
O'Shea shouldn't have gone for the spectacular shot at the end – it wasn't the day for the big 40-yarder with the outside of the boot. But I thought he did plenty in the game.
Someone else who was better than people gave him credit for was Stephen Cluxton. Mayo got a run on Dublin at the start of the second half but it was Cluxton who calmed everything down with his kickouts. He hit Brian Fenton long into midfield like a bullet from a gun after one of them. He mixed it up and went to John Small for another.
These weren't easy, short dribblers out to the corner back. They were tough kicks into small windows but they got Dublin back on the front foot. Mayo's job hasn't changed for the replay. They must target Cluxton, who is still Dublin's most important player.
Underperformed
I didn't play well in the drawn All-Ireland final in 2000. For that reason, I was delighted there was a replay and I'd say I was probably able to get focused on it more quickly than some of the guys who had played well.
I was just relieved that I wasn't going to have to spend the winter in the horrors because I had underperformed in an All-Ireland final and lost the game.
Nothing stings like turning up in an All-Ireland final and letting it pass you by. Usually, the best-case scenario is you get back the following year but the reality is most players never get back. So to have another shot a fortnight later is like getting a pardon from the prison warden just as they're strapping you into the electric chair. You'll do everything you can to make it count.
So I'd watch out for Brogan, Paul Flynn, Kevin McManamon and these guys in the replay. They're getting a second bite of the cherry, whether they deserve it or not. I won't make up my mind until next week but I get the feeling that could be the difference in the replay.
I think Dara is a decent skin and was a fairly accomplished footballer also and I accept that he writes from personal experience at times.
This was one of those times and I know he has more AI medals in his arse pocket than I have in mine but that doesn't make him infallible.
If you want to hang your coat on the nearest coatrack, you will know that you may use any peg that's available and each one will do the job as well as any other.
Same with football punditry: Here I'm referring to last Sunday's game and so much out of the ordinary happened that it would be impossible for any one (ever Syferus!) to come up with a comprehensive review that covers all aspects of the game in question.
Dara dwells on the subject of the slippery ball and how playing with such a one gives backs an advantage over forwards. THe implication intended is that the Dublin forwards were knocked off their stride and this gave the Mayo defence a decided advantage.
But he doesn't appear to have considered the fact that the Mayo forwards were playing with the same ball and had to put up with the same problems.
Mayo's forwards (+ Alan Dillon) contributed 0-7 from play while The Team For The Ages managed just 0-9 of all varieties between them. (I haven't time to check it but I think the most accomplished attack in the game since Fionn Mac Cuimhail played u-10s, managed just 0-2 from play.)
I know all of this counts for nothing when Maurice Deegan throws the ball in the next day but I'm just saying like, that somebody else could have written about the same game and arrived at a totally different conclusion if he chose to dwell on some aspects of the game but ignored equally significant ones.
Regarding the wet ball, I do think it suits defenders overall. They are usually happier reacting to passes that are slightly off, or a fumble, than most forwards. That weather can turn a 70/30 ball into a 50/50 and most defenders would fancy those. The caveat though is that a fumble or slip by a member of the FB line (or keeper) can end up in the net.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 22, 2016, 02:44:35 PM
Wet days suit backs better cos they're not as soft as forwards
Yeah, I'd say half the Dublin forwards are like me. If it's time to go training, but there's rain coming down, its put the kettle on and sit back down in front of the telly :)
#pray4rain
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2016, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 22, 2016, 04:44:44 PM
Quote from: iorras on September 22, 2016, 04:43:39 PM
#pray4rain
#butnotintheirhalfofthepitch
#gameof2halves
So is this going the most important website until Saturday week?
http://www.accuweather.com/en/ie/dublin/207931/evening-weather-forecast/207931?day=10
Quote from: straightred on September 22, 2016, 05:44:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2016, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 22, 2016, 04:44:44 PM
Quote from: iorras on September 22, 2016, 04:43:39 PM
#pray4rain
#butnotintheirhalfofthepitch
#gameof2halves
So is this going the most important website until Saturday week?
http://www.accuweather.com/en/ie/dublin/207931/evening-weather-forecast/207931?day=10
Aye,sure with the rate the Old Moores almanac flew off the shelves in Dublin sunday night it might well be :)
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2016, 08:23:22 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 21, 2016, 07:39:05 PM
RTÉ has confirmed coverage details for the All-Ireland SFC final replay between Dublin and Mayo on Saturday week, throw-in 5pm.
Michael Lyster will be joined by Colm O'Rourke, Joe Brolly and Pat Spillane for The Saturday Game Live on RTÉ Two for coverage from Croke Park from 4pm.
Ger Canning will be joined in the commentary booth by Martin Carney.
Why Martin Carney again? He played (and managed underage) for Mayo! Should it not be someone from Ulster/Munster?
You could also ask why Ciaran Whelan was on the Sunday Game panel trying to influence refs about Keegan.