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 Think I'll get this started under the granny-rule. The Granny was from Ederney.

I wonder how Pete and Fermanagh will approach this?

Quote from: Denn Forever on July 26, 2015, 11:55:09 AM
I wonder how Pete and Fermanagh will approach this?

Get the coach to block Dublins dressing room door, so they can't get out, therefore forfeiting the game. It gives another meaning to the term 'parking the bus".

This is a thread I wouldn't have predicted at the start of the year. Fair play to Fermanagh and Pete McGrath.

Out of interest, what's the story with Conor Quigley? Not interested or long term injury?

Don't think fermanagh will be the canon fodder that Leinster teams are. Don't expect them to win but they won't lie down either

Goes to show how far you can go with determination and a well drilled panel. Pity Seamus Quigley didnt bye into it, This be the sort game which would highlighted his talents

Dublin 1/80 to beat Fermanagh.Has there ever been shorter odds on any County team in a Senior Championship game?

Quote from: T Fearon on July 26, 2015, 09:24:59 PM
Dublin 1/80 to beat Fermanagh.Has there ever been shorter odds on any County team in a Senior Championship game?

Go back to bed! Sure the odds for the Longford game were 1/200!

PP have Dublin priced at 1/200 so if somebody is giving you 1/80 Tony I would lump on.
Sure when have we ever beat a team who were All Ireland champions 2 years previous at the quarter final stage ........

Boylesports pricing 1/80.Fermanagh worth a bet at 20/1 with a hundred point lead in the handicap  ;D

Quote from: An Watcher on July 26, 2015, 02:12:21 PM
Don't think fermanagh will be the canon fodder that Leinster teams are. Don't expect them to win but they won't lie down either

Agree with this.


C'mon you boys in green will be heard at Croker.

Someone on Twitter just posted a picture of crowd on Croke Park pitch at Ed Sheeran gig with the comment "This is how Fermanagh will set up against Dublin!"  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I wonder how armagh would set up? oh thats right we'll never know for a long time

Any guarantees of getting good tickets if you buy them early?

I have a list of all Dublin's National Football results from 1926 (which presumably is when it started) to 2006.

In that time Dublin have played Fermanagh twice:

14/3/2004: Fermanagh 0-12 Dublin 0-12

19/3/2006: Fermanagh 0-9 Dublin 0-8

Did we meet again post 2006 or are Fermanagh the only team the Dubs have never beaten?

Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2015, 09:07:41 AM
I have a list of all Dublin's National Football results from 1926 (which presumably is when it started) to 2006.

In that time Dublin have played Fermanagh twice:
14/3/2004: Fermanagh 0-12 Dublin 0-12
19/3/2006: Fermanagh 0-9 Dublin 0-8
Did we meet again post 2006 or are Fermanagh the only team the Dubs have never beaten?

Great stat Hound, but in fairness that was during fermanaghs previous purple patch and coincided with Dublins confused period. The marching to the hill, the blue book, before turning all professional  ;)

Would have been a nice little subplot, but Dublin beat Fermanagh comfortably in 2007. I don't think they've met since.

Still, they need a win to pull clear in the head to head :)

Quote from: haranguerer on July 28, 2015, 09:57:19 AM
Would have been a nice little subplot, but Dublin beat Fermanagh comfortably in 2007. I don't think they've met since.

Still, they need a win to pull clear in the head to head :)

They haven't. In 2008 the league moved back to the 4 divisions that we still have. Dublin got promotion from Div 2, which Fermanagh were not it, and have remained in Div 1 since. IIRC, next year will be the first year Fermanagh will have played in Div 2 since the league was restructured.

So basically Fermanagh have a flawless record v Dublin??

They met in Parnell in 2007.

Its Mission Impossible. Diarmuid Connolly v Marty O'Brien, Bernard Brogan v Niall Cassidy, Paul Flynn v James McMahon, MD McAuley v Eoin Donnelly, Kieran McManamon v Tiernan Daly... ah jaysus it'll be over after 20 minutes.  :-[ I have no idea what tactic they can take which will keep this game competitive for any length of time...

Hats off to everyone of them Fermanagh lads who've been involved this last 2 years under Pete, I just hope they don't take a mullering at the hands of the Dubs on Sunday afternoon... but they'll walk off the pitch with their heads held high regardless.

I remember a certain quarter final game back in 2004 and Fermanagh being rank outsiders against one of the favourites for the All Ireland

Impossible surely.

But they got a tanking in 03 at the hands of Tyrone and had their best ever year in 04. And Dublin gave Monaghan a 17 point hiding last year, and they're back better this year...

Its great to be there, and the experience will stand to them. No shame in getting beaten, even stuffed, by this Dublin team; those are the teams you want to be facing, even if it will take a while to get near their level.

If anyone wants to know how clubs in Armagh feel when they draw Crossmaglen this is a prime comparison. Of course both teams are beatable, just very few teams believe they can beat them.

All this two tier chat this week is basically Fermanagh et al being told they shouldn't be on the same pitch as Dublin incase they get hammered.
Dublin have the capability to hammer pretty much anyone in the country on a good day. If we only want competitive games the 'top tier' Championship would be 5/6 teams at most.
So f**king what if we get well beaten by Dublin. Obviously I hope we don't but big wins happen in all sports around the world. The last few years in Champions League soccer has seen huge wins in latter stages for Real Madrid and Bayern Munich, there are drubbings throughout the tournament. The analysis there is based on the brilliance of the victors, not how pathetic the losers were or how the elite could possibly run a competition without involving the also rans.
Jesus, only one team/man can win a sports tournament. The cream will rise to the top. All but one will lose, but that doesn't mean it's a disaster to fall short or be well beaten by one of the game's brilliant sides. It's like this nonsense of handing out medals for all to young players, rewarding the weaker. We don't need a medal or trophy to achieve our goals.
Competitive sport is about finding out who's best, the All-Ireland does that. If you're not the best, so be it. At least the way things are players in 'weaker' counties can aspire to be the best they can be, and if they get everything together and get on a roll, maybe take on the best in the game.
If a second tier Championship was announced right now for 2016 it would be a disaster for weaker counties. Managers would have a huge fight on their hands getting the best players in the county to commit, why bother? Levels of dedication and professionalism would inevitably drop for stronger teams in the lower tier. It's the same with teams coming from Division Three/Four etc into Championship, if you're not playing at a decent level it's almost impossible to then make that step up.
Interest in the Tommy Murphy cup was pathetic. Exit the provincial Championship and it would be open season on US transfers. Even more so than now. Is the Christy Ring/Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher a roaring success? Every year in hurling you hear the same arguments trotted out. One man saying 'we need to be playing the top teams to bring us on and help young players develop' another stating 'these heavy defeats are doing nothing for our development'.
I can think of one county manager (Louth) who said in the aftermath of a huge defeat that a two tier Championship would help them. They were after getting stuffed by Tipperary, who would still be at their level. It's putting a roof on aspirations, telling players you're not good enough so don't even bother. Niall Carew was saying the complete opposite in Irish News and he has managed/assisted right around the country at various levels.
The argument to that is that whoever wins second tier competition can get into top tier, but say a Fermanagh/Tipperary did win that, they would still be cannon fodder for Dublin/Mayo/Kerry in all probability the year after.
Heaney in IN today used example of US Masters saying any budding golfer can't go and take on the world's best. Ireland's Paul Dunne was one of the stories of the British Open a few weeks back. To be blunt, he fell apart on the final day and finished miles off the pace. Did you hear one pundit/expert/rival saying that these amateurs don't deserve that platform or shouldn't be on same course. Not a negative word. It was a great achievement to compete with best and get to that stage.
Not everyone can win the bloody thing, it's not all about the winners, the elite. This season has been a huge success for Fermanagh, regardless of what happens on Sunday.
As has been said earlier, we took a huge drubbing against Tyrone in 2003 and came back for more, Monaghan were destroyed last year in quarters but regrouped and raised the bar again.
Don't put a limit on what any player can achieve in a given year.

Well said Exiledgael. Give me a run in the qualifiers and a potential big win over a pointless B competition every time!! Among the players I don't think there is any support for a tiered comp, personnally I just think the idea is been drove by the media as it's easy column inches and sound bites!

A tiered system would just make the strong stronger and the weak weaker!

Quote from: ExiledGael on July 28, 2015, 05:28:19 PM
All this two tier chat this week is basically Fermanagh et al being told they shouldn't be on the same pitch as Dublin incase they get hammered.
Dublin have the capability to hammer pretty much anyone in the country on a good day. If we only want competitive games the 'top tier' Championship would be 5/6 teams at most.
So f**king what if we get well beaten by Dublin. Obviously I hope we don't but big wins happen in all sports around the world. The last few years in Champions League soccer has seen huge wins in latter stages for Real Madrid and Bayern Munich, there are drubbings throughout the tournament. The analysis there is based on the brilliance of the victors, not how pathetic the losers were or how the elite could possibly run a competition without involving the also rans.
Jesus, only one team/man can win a sports tournament. The cream will rise to the top. All but one will lose, but that doesn't mean it's a disaster to fall short or be well beaten by one of the game's brilliant sides. It's like this nonsense of handing out medals for all to young players, rewarding the weaker. We don't need a medal or trophy to achieve our goals.
Competitive sport is about finding out who's best, the All-Ireland does that. If you're not the best, so be it. At least the way things are players in 'weaker' counties can aspire to be the best they can be, and if they get everything together and get on a roll, maybe take on the best in the game.
If a second tier Championship was announced right now for 2016 it would be a disaster for weaker counties. Managers would have a huge fight on their hands getting the best players in the county to commit, why bother? Levels of dedication and professionalism would inevitably drop for stronger teams in the lower tier. It's the same with teams coming from Division Three/Four etc into Championship, if you're not playing at a decent level it's almost impossible to then make that step up.
Interest in the Tommy Murphy cup was pathetic. Exit the provincial Championship and it would be open season on US transfers. Even more so than now. Is the Christy Ring/Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher a roaring success? Every year in hurling you hear the same arguments trotted out. One man saying 'we need to be playing the top teams to bring us on and help young players develop' another stating 'these heavy defeats are doing nothing for our development'.
I can think of one county manager (Louth) who said in the aftermath of a huge defeat that a two tier Championship would help them. They were after getting stuffed by Tipperary, who would still be at their level. It's putting a roof on aspirations, telling players you're not good enough so don't even bother. Niall Carew was saying the complete opposite in Irish News and he has managed/assisted right around the country at various levels.
The argument to that is that whoever wins second tier competition can get into top tier, but say a Fermanagh/Tipperary did win that, they would still be cannon fodder for Dublin/Mayo/Kerry in all probability the year after.
Heaney in IN today used example of US Masters saying any budding golfer can't go and take on the world's best. Ireland's Paul Dunne was one of the stories of the British Open a few weeks back. To be blunt, he fell apart on the final day and finished miles off the pace. Did you hear one pundit/expert/rival saying that these amateurs don't deserve that platform or shouldn't be on same course. Not a negative word. It was a great achievement to compete with best and get to that stage.
Not everyone can win the bloody thing, it's not all about the winners, the elite. This season has been a huge success for Fermanagh, regardless of what happens on Sunday.
As has been said earlier, we took a huge drubbing against Tyrone in 2003 and came back for more, Monaghan were destroyed last year in quarters but regrouped and raised the bar again.
Don't put a limit on what any player can achieve in a given year.

Well bloody said.

Dublin will tank Fermanagh. That said all this Joe Brolly/two tier system is complete bollocks, we tried it before the Tommy Murphy Cup and everyone f**king hated it.

If we're looking for teams to throw out of the championship system then why throw out a team that consistently punches above their weight? I'd say chuck out perennial underachievers and those who shit the togs at every available opportunity, i.e. Derry.

Difficult game in prospect for Dublin.

Fermanagh have all the momentum and beat Westmeath well.

Well organised defensive structure that they are comfortable with.

I think it will be tight enough with Dublin eventually wearing them down.

probably through the bench.

Have a lot of time for Fermanagh though .

If Fermanagh only manage two scores in the first half an hour, they'll struggle hugely on Sunday. That said I think McGrath will have learned lessons from the Westmeath game. I'm sure he has studied the Dublin-Westmeath game too. Can't see anything other than a Dublin win, but I hope Fermanagh don't give in as easily as a lot of other opponents this year. (Mayo this year in the league included)

They're from ulster though indiana ;)

Really wanted fermanagh to avoid this game. Think they might have rattled kerry a bit but dublin a step too far. Hope it doesn't get too bad but great job by fermanagh and mcgrath getting this far. Their defense will be harder to breakdown than anything thus far i think but still far too much firepower.

Brolly very patronising. Fermanagh doing great and should be a two tier system. They're in the last 8 - does he want a 5 or 6 team championship then the rest?!

Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2015, 09:03:22 PM
If Fermanagh only manage two scores in the first half an hour, they'll struggle hugely on Sunday. That said I think McGrath will have learned lessons from the Westmeath game. I'm sure he has studied the Dublin-Westmeath game too. Can't see anything other than a Dublin win, but I hope Fermanagh don't give in as easily as a lot of other opponents this year. (Mayo this year in the league included)

Fermanagh were wide machines in the first half against us too. Quigley will need to rectify his form from the last two games to keep this one alive for very long.

I feel a draw in this one and the toss of a coin might decide the winners.
If Fermanagh pull this off would this be double all Ireland winner Pete Mc Graths finest achievement?

The two (even 3+) tier system works at club level. Why not for intercounty? Why?

Why was it brought up when talking about a team in the last 8 though??

It doesn't work, and I am speaking as a Fermanagh fan here, as Fermanagh would prefer to lose to Dublin in front of 40k instead of potentially beating a Div3 team in a B final in front of 5k. Fermanagh train for the big days out, not to play in a side show. I have never heard one player say they wanted a tiered system, it seems to just be the media.

A tiered system would mean less revenue for the B counties from sponsorship and attendences etc as they would have far less exposure, I can't see Sky or RTE fighting over the B comp. It would just lead to a bigger gap opening up between the strong and weak.

It folks really want more teams contending for the all Ireland and less hammerings, why not try to improve the weaker counties and not just boot them out. The real issue is money, if the GAA spread the wealth more from the rich to the poor, over time more teams will improve!

At which stage of the championship does the cliched Fermanagh phrase "Sure it's 50% water and 30% Protestant"  get trotted out?

Because it has never been that way and thats no reason... It even works at club level for all irelands with Junior and intermediate being relatively new and prized competitions.
Top 14 teams play for Sam. league system with top 4 playing semis and finals.  Bottom 4 relegated
Next 14 play for Paidi four up including the winners and four down.Each team will have 13 games winners 15.  August  - November Season.
and the final 4 + New York, London and Dublin seconds, Kerry seconds and Tyrone seconds and other counties with seconds squads play for the third tier competition. Why stop at 32 -34?  Four up..
Current league and Mc Kenna cup and others are ditched and Provincial championships stand alone before the tournament or during it
Clubs play from March - Early July. All Ireland Club final finals.   

Quote from: Fermanaghandsam on July 28, 2015, 09:45:57 PM
It doesn't work, and I am speaking as a Fermanagh fan here, as Fermanagh would prefer to lose to Dublin in front of 40k instead of potentially beating a Div3 team in a B final in front of 5k. Fermanagh train for the big days out, not to play in a side show. I have never heard one player say they wanted a tiered system, it seems to just be the media.

A tiered system would mean less revenue for the B counties from sponsorship and attendences etc as they would have far less exposure, I can't see Sky or RTE fighting over the B comp. It would just lead to a bigger gap opening up between the strong and weak.

It folks really want more teams contending for the all Ireland and less hammerings, why not try to improve the weaker counties and not just boot them out. The real issue is money, if the GAA spread the wealth more from the rich to the poor, over time more teams will improve!

It's not really all about the players either , GAA in general always seem to take supporters for granted, I don't want to watch Dublin hammer Fermanagh . All the objections to a tiered championship are " everyone deserves a chance of the big time " blah blah , sure you won't be a junior club for long if you put the work in .

13 league games each to get to a top 4, and basically removing the knock out part of the competition to me is a complete no go. It would lead to a lot of meaningless games and over exposure in my eyes!

Championship should be knock out, with a back door if we want, but shouldn't have a league format for me. A few counties including Fermanagh have tried a league type championship and it failed. People just didn't like it.

I do think it would be great if teams took the national league more seriously but.

Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2015, 10:06:43 PM

Quote from: Fermanaghandsam on July 28, 2015, 09:45:57 PM
It doesn't work, and I am speaking as a Fermanagh fan here, as Fermanagh would prefer to lose to Dublin in front of 40k instead of potentially beating a Div3 team in a B final in front of 5k. Fermanagh train for the big days out, not to play in a side show. I have never heard one player say they wanted a tiered system, it seems to just be the media.

A tiered system would mean less revenue for the B counties from sponsorship and attendences etc as they would have far less exposure, I can't see Sky or RTE fighting over the B comp. It would just lead to a bigger gap opening up between the strong and weak.

It folks really want more teams contending for the all Ireland and less hammerings, why not try to improve the weaker counties and not just boot them out. The real issue is money, if the GAA spread the wealth more from the rich to the poor, over time more teams will improve!

It's not really all about the players either , GAA in general always seem to take supporters for granted, I don't want to watch Dublin hammer Fermanagh . All the objections to a tiered championship are " everyone deserves a chance of the big time " blah blah , sure you won't be a junior club for long if you put the work in .

That's a fair point, but there will still be hammerings. Every competition in the world has them.

Is it all simply because of the Dubs?

I'd say Fermanagh would have a fair crack at any of the other provincial champs

A game in the last eight shouldn't be provoking this discussion. Odd.

There are teams who may benefit from lower tier if a suitable alternative. Fermanagh not one.

Fermanagh have reached this stage by beating Antrim twice,Roscommon (a team beaten by Sligo who were in turn annihilated by Mayo) and Westmeath.Hardly a strenuous path,it makes the route out of Munster look difficult.

Reality check happening on Sunday I'm afraid.

Quote from: Fermanaghandsam on July 28, 2015, 10:09:50 PM
13 league games each to get to a top 4, and basically removing the knock out part of the competition to me is a complete no go. It would lead to a lot of meaningless games and over exposure in my eyes!

Championship should be knock out, with a back door if we want, but shouldn't have a league format for me. A few counties including Fermanagh have tried a league type championship and it failed. People just didn't like it.

I do think it would be great if teams took the national league more seriously but.

If the counties keep the gate receipts for reinvestment in their gaa it might become more acceptable.

Quote from: T Fearon on July 28, 2015, 10:49:45 PM
Fermanagh have reached this stage by beating Antrim twice,Roscommon (a team beaten by Sligo who were in turn annihilated by Mayo) and Westmeath.Hardly a strenuous path,it makes the route out of Munster look difficult.

Reality check happening on Sunday I'm afraid.

You've a bee in your bonnet all year about Fermanagh Tony, why so? I remember you starting ridiculoys threads when Armagh beat them in the Div 3 final too...

Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2015, 11:00:59 PM

Quote from: T Fearon on July 28, 2015, 10:49:45 PM
Fermanagh have reached this stage by beating Antrim twice,Roscommon (a team beaten by Sligo who were in turn annihilated by Mayo) and Westmeath.Hardly a strenuous path,it makes the route out of Munster look difficult.

Reality check happening on Sunday I'm afraid.

You've a bee in your bonnet all year about Fermanagh Tony, why so? I remember you starting ridiculoys threads when Armagh beat them in the Div 3 final too...

Fermanagh beat a mighty D1 team sure and came close to beating another (the eventual Ulster champions) until they ran out of gas.

In all seriousness apart from wides that Fermangh team do all the basics well, good at the back, at midfield, at breaking it forward. I'd be surprised if they go straight back down to D3 next year, that's how much I'd rate them. That puts them in the top 10-14 teams in Ireland. What they have done the past few years under McGrath has been very impressive. And I'll say it again - their supporters are first class.

Fermanagh are in an all Ireland quarter final.  Brings back painful memories for the man.
It's his way of dealing with it.

I don't begrudge Fermanagh their place in the AI quarter final and would like nothing better than to see them beat Dublin,but like Armagh last year,they are there due to the luck of the draw.Cavan were quarter finalists two years ago,Armagh were there last year,what has either done since?

Both have barely changed their tactics since which has been a large factor in why they haven't done anything more.

Whether Fermanagh do or don't we'll see in the next few years but for now they're in last 8 on merit.

This is depressing for me as literally if we (Antrim) had anything close to a full team we could (given the draw) be in an All Ireland Quarter Final. We tore through Fermanagh last year with some of our better attacking players (about 9 of which were unavailable this year for reasons only they know).

I said before it was our C team playing Fermanagh this year so losing to them was inevitable. They are well organised with a couple of good attackers, nothing more but yet that is enough to beat half the teams in the country. Our club teams would run over the top of Fermanagh teams at the moment.

I agree they've only beaten Ross (who are well organised and have improved but are defo seriously lacking up front) and Westmeath (who are atrocious at the back and everyone thought were fantastic as they made a comeback v a Meath team who looked like they were going to win by 20 points) and our C team.

We would defo fancy our chances with a full (or anywhere near to it) team of getting to the AIQF. The reason we haven't is that we are a mess ran by a joke County Board, who have no desire to succeed, spreading apathy to the players, supporters and kids growing up in our County that includes the 2nd largest populated City on the Island. We should (given our population and number of clubs) be hockeying the rest of Ulster (Dublin Style) year in and out.

Sorry for the rant but it's frustrating to watch teams with inferior players progress further than us due to lack of structure/pride in ourselves.

Quote from: Gold on July 29, 2015, 09:51:07 AM
This is depressing for me as literally if we (Antrim) had anything close to a full team we could (given the draw) be in an All Ireland Quarter Final. We tore through Fermanagh last year with some of our better attacking players (about 9 of which were unavailable this year for reasons only they know).

I said before it was our C team playing Fermanagh this year so losing to them was inevitable. They are well organised with a couple of good attackers, nothing more but yet that is enough to beat half the teams in the country. Our club teams would run over the top of Fermanagh teams at the moment.

I agree they've only beaten Ross (who are well organised and have improved but are defo seriously lacking up front) and Westmeath (who are atrocious at the back and everyone thought were fantastic as they made a comeback v a Meath team who looked like they were going to win by 20 points) and our C team.

We would defo fancy our chances with a full (or anywhere near to it) team of getting to the AIQF. The reason we haven't is that we are a mess ran by a joke County Board, who have no desire to succeed, spreading apathy to the players, supporters and kids growing up in our County that includes the 2nd largest populated City on the Island. We should (given our population and number of clubs) be hockeying the rest of Ulster (Dublin Style) year in and out.

Sorry for the rant but it's frustrating to watch teams with inferior players progress further than us due to lack of structure/pride in ourselves.

Lay off the drugs.

Quote from: T Fearon on July 29, 2015, 06:41:20 AM
I don't begrudge Fermanagh their place in the AI quarter final and would like nothing better than to see them beat Dublin,but like Armagh last year,they are there due to the luck of the draw.Cavan were quarter finalists two years ago,Armagh were there last year,what has either done since?

Totally agree. The draw couldn't have been kinder to Fermanagh.. 3 home games against below average teams. Someone mentioned that they "nearly" beat Monaghan.. were they not beaten by 10 points?
Tony is just adding reality here. Like him I would be delighted if they do well against Dublin and will be cheering them on, but as to how they got here? Good management, good support, average players all pushing in same direction and VERY LUCKY DRAW!

On that basis, Dublin don't deserve to be in the quarter final either because they've had an easy run!

Dublin have beaten Longford, Kildare and westmeath.
Fermanagh have beaten Antrim, Roscommon and Westmeath.

Very similiar standard of teams that both have beaten to get to the Q-final!

Lay off the begrudgery and say well done to Fermanagh (and good luck)

Well done fermanagh!   You know you're on the right track when you have the begrudgers moaning about your success.

Looks like theres more than a bit of the green eyed monster from some of those in other smaller weaker counties.  Gold from Antrim, CK from Sligo and Fearon from Armagh.

Don't get me wrong I'm delighted for Fermanagh and I hope they put it up to Dublin and win.

I just know that we (Antrim) currently have better players than they do yet we cannot get them on the field--that's what is frustrating.

Fermanagh are united whereas we are not, hence we are nowhere and they are in Croker on Sunday.

Fear manach Abu!

Quote from: ck on July 29, 2015, 10:18:20 AM

Quote from: T Fearon on July 29, 2015, 06:41:20 AM
I don't begrudge Fermanagh their place in the AI quarter final and would like nothing better than to see them beat Dublin,but like Armagh last year,they are there due to the luck of the draw.Cavan were quarter finalists two years ago,Armagh were there last year,what has either done since?

Totally agree. The draw couldn't have been kinder to Fermanagh.. 3 home games against below average teams. Someone mentioned that they "nearly" beat Monaghan.. were they not beaten by 10 points?
Tony is just adding reality here. Like him I would be delighted if they do well against Dublin and will be cheering them on, but as to how they got here? Good management, good support, average players all pushing in same direction and VERY LUCKY DRAW!

Quote from: ck on July 12, 2015, 10:20:19 AM
Rossies by 5 or 6. Can't believe the hype around Fermanagh. People saying they're "going well" and they're "on a good run". They've beaten Antrim twice. That's it! id say they'll get a rude awakening today

Oh he's back with more disparaging remarks about this Fermanagh side. I don't believe CK has commented on a Fermanagh match thread since he predicted a "rude awakening" against Roscommon who he now dismisses as "below average".

Maybe it would be better to focus on your own county team's shortcomings which were more than evident in the Connacht Final than to run down a team who have done nothing except beat what has been put in front of them, bar Monaghan.
There are a lot of begrudgers out there with an apparent element of the green eyed monster when it comes to brave, little Fermanagh reaching an AI quarter final.

Anyway, on Sunday we are rightly huge underdogs and in all probability will lose the match. This will not stop me travelling to Croke Park on Sunday with optimism to support the team which has given us a great summer so far and has created a real buzz and positivity around the county - something that a second tier competition will simply not do, no chance!

We have a sprinkling of very good players in key areas plus a handful of extremely underrated players (such as James McMahon, Niall Cassidy and Damian Kelly) and one thing is for sure we have a panel full of extremely dedicated and disciplined players who will be proud to represent their county in Croke Park on Sunday and will not give up no matter how things are going.

This young group of players will have learned a lot this year and will learn a lot more this Sunday and in our division 2 campaign this week. Hopefully the squad will stick together and can deliver our long awaited first Ulster title. We can only hope!

TBF, I think Gold is moreso bemoaning the setup within his own county rather than criticising Fermanagh

Fermanagh have apparently offered to decide the game on a coin toss, in solidarity with the Dublin and Clare camogie teams.

Quote from: Gold on July 29, 2015, 10:54:41 AM
Don't get me wrong I'm delighted for Fermanagh and I hope they put it up to Dublin and win.

I just know that we (Antrim) currently have better players than they do yet we cannot get them on the field--that's what is frustrating.

Fermanagh are united whereas we are not, hence we are nowhere and they are in Croker on Sunday.

Fear manach Abu!

This always seems to have been the problem with Antrim, whether it is solely the County Board's fault or if it comes down to attitude problems is open to interpretation.

Every county will have players who will not commit for one reason or another, a County of Antrim's size (in comparison to Fermanagh for instance) should be able to cope with this. When players are missing they automatically become better players than what they actually are in the mind of supporters. There is nothing to suggest Antrim have any better players than Fermanagh. Last years Ulster Championship defeat was as much down to Fermanagh not coming out of the stalls until the damage was done and tactical naivety (surprisingly) from Pete as it was down to Antrim's good play.

We have at least another 5 players not on the panel who would challenge for starting spots but for one reason or another they are not there - Seamus and Conor Quigley are prime examples but for completely different reasons. It is up to the management and squad to pull together and become stronger as a whole.

The question is do the last eight reflect the 8 best teams in the Country? Are Fermanagh better than Cork? Last year,due to losing by a single point to Donegal in the qtr finals,it was announced that Armagh were back,and serious contenders for Ulster etc.A bit wide off the mark.

Armagh were considerably better last year though.

No doubt with any knockout competition the last 8 may not be the best 8 but not sure Cork is a good example as on their day they are as poor as anyone.

Before last week you'd have asked are Kildare better than Cork too.

Quote from: T Fearon on July 29, 2015, 12:22:10 PM
The question is do the last eight reflect the 8 best teams in the Country? Are Fermanagh better than Cork? Last year,due to losing by a single point to Donegal in the qtr finals,it was announced that Armagh were back,and serious contenders for Ulster etc.A bit wide off the mark.

Why is that the question?

In all tournaments that have a knockout section there's every chance that two big guns will meet early and one will be out.

Sure Dublin were the best team last year and they didn't reach the final ;)

Quote from: Emmett on July 29, 2015, 11:16:22 AM

Quote from: Gold on July 29, 2015, 10:54:41 AM
Don't get me wrong I'm delighted for Fermanagh and I hope they put it up to Dublin and win.

I just know that we (Antrim) currently have better players than they do yet we cannot get them on the field--that's what is frustrating.

Fermanagh are united whereas we are not, hence we are nowhere and they are in Croker on Sunday.

Fear manach Abu!

This always seems to have been the problem with Antrim, whether it is solely the County Board's fault or if it comes down to attitude problems is open to interpretation.

Every county will have players who will not commit for one reason or another, a County of Antrim's size (in comparison to Fermanagh for instance) should be able to cope with this. When players are missing they automatically become better players than what they actually are in the mind of supporters. There is nothing to suggest Antrim have any better players than Fermanagh. Last years Ulster Championship defeat was as much down to Fermanagh not coming out of the stalls until the damage was done and tactical naivety (surprisingly) from Pete as it was down to Antrim's good play.

We have at least another 5 players not on the panel who would challenge for starting spots but for one reason or another they are not there - Seamus and Conor Quigley are prime examples but for completely different reasons. It is up to the management and squad to pull together and become stronger as a whole.

I know it's come up before but I never saw an answer.
Is there any possibility that Seamus Quigley could be pulled in again or have all bridges been burnt?
If he was in any sort of form he would be some addition to the forwards.

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 29, 2015, 08:41:55 AM
Both have barely changed their tactics since which has been a large factor in why they haven't done anything more.

Whether Fermanagh do or don't we'll see in the next few years but for now they're in last 8 on merit.

Armagh completely changed their tactics!

Agree though Fermanagh deserve their place in the QF. A lot of time for Pete McGrath, he has got this team playing to their potential and I know they won't lack in motivation. Probably a bridge too far for them though.

There are some moaners about. Fermanagh are in the quarter finals on merit, fair play to them, and  i hope they give the Dubs a test. From a punting perspective, i am tempted by Fermanagh +14.

Best of Luck Fermanagh, Go and beat them

Quote from: thebuzz on July 29, 2015, 12:51:30 PM

Quote from: Emmett on July 29, 2015, 11:16:22 AM

Quote from: Gold on July 29, 2015, 10:54:41 AM
Don't get me wrong I'm delighted for Fermanagh and I hope they put it up to Dublin and win.

I just know that we (Antrim) currently have better players than they do yet we cannot get them on the field--that's what is frustrating.

Fermanagh are united whereas we are not, hence we are nowhere and they are in Croker on Sunday.

Fear manach Abu!

This always seems to have been the problem with Antrim, whether it is solely the County Board's fault or if it comes down to attitude problems is open to interpretation.

Every county will have players who will not commit for one reason or another, a County of Antrim's size (in comparison to Fermanagh for instance) should be able to cope with this. When players are missing they automatically become better players than what they actually are in the mind of supporters. There is nothing to suggest Antrim have any better players than Fermanagh. Last years Ulster Championship defeat was as much down to Fermanagh not coming out of the stalls until the damage was done and tactical naivety (surprisingly) from Pete as it was down to Antrim's good play.

We have at least another 5 players not on the panel who would challenge for starting spots but for one reason or another they are not there - Seamus and Conor Quigley are prime examples but for completely different reasons. It is up to the management and squad to pull together and become stronger as a whole.

I know it's come up before but I never saw an answer.
Is there any possibility that Seamus Quigley could be pulled in again or have all bridges been burnt?
If he was in any sort of form he would be some addition to the forwards.

I think the ball is in Seamie's court. If he sorts himself out, displays the attitude required and is prepared to put in the same level of effort the rest of the boys do then he would be welcomed back I am sure.

Quote from: Emmett on July 29, 2015, 02:37:53 PM

Quote from: thebuzz on July 29, 2015, 12:51:30 PM

Quote from: Emmett on July 29, 2015, 11:16:22 AM

Quote from: Gold on July 29, 2015, 10:54:41 AM
Don't get me wrong I'm delighted for Fermanagh and I hope they put it up to Dublin and win.

I just know that we (Antrim) currently have better players than they do yet we cannot get them on the field--that's what is frustrating.

Fermanagh are united whereas we are not, hence we are nowhere and they are in Croker on Sunday.

Fear manach Abu!

This always seems to have been the problem with Antrim, whether it is solely the County Board's fault or if it comes down to attitude problems is open to interpretation.

Every county will have players who will not commit for one reason or another, a County of Antrim's size (in comparison to Fermanagh for instance) should be able to cope with this. When players are missing they automatically become better players than what they actually are in the mind of supporters. There is nothing to suggest Antrim have any better players than Fermanagh. Last years Ulster Championship defeat was as much down to Fermanagh not coming out of the stalls until the damage was done and tactical naivety (surprisingly) from Pete as it was down to Antrim's good play.

We have at least another 5 players not on the panel who would challenge for starting spots but for one reason or another they are not there - Seamus and Conor Quigley are prime examples but for completely different reasons. It is up to the management and squad to pull together and become stronger as a whole.

I know it's come up before but I never saw an answer.
Is there any possibility that Seamus Quigley could be pulled in again or have all bridges been burnt?
If he was in any sort of form he would be some addition to the forwards.

I think the ball is in Seamie's court. If he sorts himself out, displays the attitude required and is prepared to put in the same level of effort the rest of the boys do then he would be welcomed back I am sure.

I'm a big fan of Seamy Quigleys and I even asked the Same question but I think it would be a disservice to the men that have ploughed away since last October or whenever to get themselves here to parachute him in at this stage.

Quote from: general_lee on July 29, 2015, 03:07:08 PM

Quote from: Emmett on July 29, 2015, 02:37:53 PM

Quote from: thebuzz on July 29, 2015, 12:51:30 PM

Quote from: Emmett on July 29, 2015, 11:16:22 AM

Quote from: Gold on July 29, 2015, 10:54:41 AM
Don't get me wrong I'm delighted for Fermanagh and I hope they put it up to Dublin and win.

I just know that we (Antrim) currently have better players than they do yet we cannot get them on the field--that's what is frustrating.

Fermanagh are united whereas we are not, hence we are nowhere and they are in Croker on Sunday.

Fear manach Abu!

This always seems to have been the problem with Antrim, whether it is solely the County Board's fault or if it comes down to attitude problems is open to interpretation.

Every county will have players who will not commit for one reason or another, a County of Antrim's size (in comparison to Fermanagh for instance) should be able to cope with this. When players are missing they automatically become better players than what they actually are in the mind of supporters. There is nothing to suggest Antrim have any better players than Fermanagh. Last years Ulster Championship defeat was as much down to Fermanagh not coming out of the stalls until the damage was done and tactical naivety (surprisingly) from Pete as it was down to Antrim's good play.

We have at least another 5 players not on the panel who would challenge for starting spots but for one reason or another they are not there - Seamus and Conor Quigley are prime examples but for completely different reasons. It is up to the management and squad to pull together and become stronger as a whole.

I know it's come up before but I never saw an answer.
Is there any possibility that Seamus Quigley could be pulled in again or have all bridges been burnt?
If he was in any sort of form he would be some addition to the forwards.

I think the ball is in Seamie's court. If he sorts himself out, displays the attitude required and is prepared to put in the same level of effort the rest of the boys do then he would be welcomed back I am sure.

I'm a big fan of Seamy Quigleys and I even asked the Same question but I think it would be a disservice to the men that have ploughed away since last October or whenever to get themselves here to parachute him in at this stage.

I don't anyone is suggesting he be added for this weekend. It's pretty safe to assume they mean next year at this stage.

True. Even earlier in the season though, had the opportunity arisen.

the fermanagh team deserve to be in the last 8  and all 31 other counties will be cheering them on come sunday hope they have a huge support to cheer them on

Yes but a few points.

What earthly benefit/pleasure will the Fermanagh team and its supporters derive from a crushing defeat on Sunday?

Beating a disillusioned Antrim team twice and Roscommon (humbled by Sligo) and Westmeath (humiliated by Dublin) doesn't make Pete Mc Grath a great manager just as defeat to Longford when he was with Down didn't make him a bad manager.

Why are two excellent Fermanagh natives managing Donegal and Monaghan?


Are Fermanagh really any closer to winning an elusive first Ulster title?

Is getting to the AI Qtr Final and getting slaughtered there really the benchmark of sustainable progress?

It won't do them much good, but I'm sure their supporters won't stay away all the same!

I forgot Fermanagh have never won Ulster. Nor have the Dubs for that matter.

Quote from: T Fearon on July 29, 2015, 11:01:05 PM
What earthly benefit/pleasure will the Fermanagh team and its supporters derive from a crushing defeat on Sunday?

A cracking day out. Something better that mass. The atmosphere. Their team being there. Maybe giving it a lash. Life

Quote from: T Fearon on July 29, 2015, 11:01:05 PM
Beating a disillusioned Antrim team twice and Roscommon (humbled by Sligo) and Westmeath (humiliated by Dublin) doesn't make Pete Mc Grath a great manager just as defeat to Longford when he was with Down didn't make him a bad manager.

Quite correct. But live a little.

Quote from: T Fearon on July 29, 2015, 11:01:05 PM
Why are two excellent Fermanagh natives managing Donegal and Monaghan?

Modern GAA. Mercenary roles filled ny mercenary candidates. Fools standing up and saying its a an amateur organisation with a words and then sh1tting all over this with their actions.

Quote from: T Fearon on July 29, 2015, 11:01:05 PM
Are Fermanagh really any closer to winning an elusive first Ulster title?

No. And? My best friend won a McKenna Cup with Fermangh. He is a legend. Their population places a natural cap on their ambition. 25% of the population lives in County Dublin. They should win every year. They don't. Fermanagh got withinin a kick of the '04 final. Real heros.

Quote from: T Fearon on July 29, 2015, 11:01:05 PM
Is getting to the AI Qtr Final and getting slaughtered there really the benchmark of sustainable progress?

No, But having a go is a reason for celebration. I. like you am an Armagh man. There is no pride, credit or cause for celebration in our championship achievements this year. Nor is there in our lamentable approach.   

Quote from: T Fearon on July 29, 2015, 11:01:05 PM
Yes but a few points.

What earthly benefit/pleasure will the Fermanagh team and its supporters derive from a crushing defeat on Sunday?

Beating a disillusioned Antrim team twice and Roscommon (humbled by Sligo) and Westmeath (humiliated by Dublin) doesn't make Pete Mc Grath a great manager just as defeat to Longford when he was with Down didn't make him a bad manager.

Why are two excellent Fermanagh natives managing Donegal and Monaghan?


Are Fermanagh really any closer to winning an elusive first Ulster title?

Is getting to the AI Qtr Final and getting slaughtered there really the benchmark of sustainable progress?

I bet they lose by less then kildare did. When you compare the relative populations that's a victory in itself.

Pete Mc Grath has a good record versus Dublin.

I just can't see them putting up a winning score

Pete Mc Grath's record against Dublin played one and won one,21 years ago is irrelevant.

Population size is irrelevant,out with Dublin's Northside Gaelic Sports are treated with contempt in the metropolis.

The current managers of Monaghan and Donegal rightly perceive they have more chance of success in their current positions than managing their native counties, as their ambition extends beyond a hiding in the quarter finals.

How on earth can any fan enjoy a day at Croke Park watching his or her county get a hammering?

It is patronising in the extreme to congratulate "little" Fermanagh in reaching the quarter finals,almost like saying you're shit and no one expected you to be here,but sure just enjoy the experience.

Quote from: ck on July 29, 2015, 10:18:20 AM

Quote from: T Fearon on July 29, 2015, 06:41:20 AM
I don't begrudge Fermanagh their place in the AI quarter final and would like nothing better than to see them beat Dublin,but like Armagh last year,they are there due to the luck of the draw.Cavan were quarter finalists two years ago,Armagh were there last year,what has either done since?

Totally agree. The draw couldn't have been kinder to Fermanagh.. 3 home games against below average teams. Someone mentioned that they "nearly" beat Monaghan.. were they not beaten by 10 points?
Tony is just adding reality here. Like him I would be delighted if they do well against Dublin and will be cheering them on, but as to how they got here? Good management, good support, average players all pushing in same direction and VERY LUCKY DRAW!

T Fearon is a WUM and you are the poster that totally wrote off Fermanagh before their game against Roscommon. Cop on lads and start giving Fermanagh some credit for reaching the quarter final against the odds.

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Quote from: ck on July 29, 2015, 10:18:20 AM

Quote from: T Fearon on July 29, 2015, 06:41:20 AM
I don't begrudge Fermanagh their place in the AI quarter final and would like nothing better than to see them beat Dublin,but like Armagh last year,they are there due to the luck of the draw.Cavan were quarter finalists two years ago,Armagh were there last year,what has either done since?

Totally agree. The draw couldn't have been kinder to Fermanagh.. 3 home games against below average teams. Someone mentioned that they "nearly" beat Monaghan.. were they not beaten by 10 points?
Tony is just adding reality here. Like him I would be delighted if they do well against Dublin and will be cheering them on, but as to how they got here? Good management, good support, average players all pushing in same direction and VERY LUCKY DRAW!

T Fearon is a WUM and you are the poster that totally wrote off Fermanagh before their game against Roscommon. Cop on lads and start giving Fermanagh some credit for reaching the quarter final against the odds.

+1

Fear Manach Abú (and fcuk the begrudgers of whichever hue!).

Quote from: T Fearon on July 29, 2015, 11:01:05 PM
Yes but a few points.

What earthly benefit/pleasure will the Fermanagh team and its supporters derive from a crushing defeat on Sunday?

It's clear you are a WUM and to your credit you've given me a few laughs with your ramblings but this had to be commented on.

With comments like that you are obviously not the most loyal Armagh supporter around and would not even consider going to support your county in a match they are expected to lose badly.

Like it or loathe it but Fermanagh and Armagh are on a very level playing field at the moment. On current form we are probably the slightly better side but we'll not go there. With this in mind, if the roles were reversed and Armagh were due to face Dublin this weekend would you not be prepared to go support them when they most need it? (In spite of the lack of an "earthly benefit/reward")

Our young squad of players will benefit from the experience of playing at Croke Park in front of a full house against an excellent team. After all, they may never have another opportunity to have the pleasure of sharing a football pitch with the likes of Dublin should this proposed 2nd tier competition come to fruition.

Of course I would be there. But let's face it,if Armagh,Tyrone or any other Ulster county apart from Antrim,were being patronised for beating Antrim twice,Roscommon and Westmesth,I'd be embarrassed.

Being on a par with Armagh currently is not boast worthy.


A hiding in Croke Park in a high profile game,is not what young players need neither will they need the inevitable "sure weren't they great to get as far as the quarter finals anyhow (the subtext of which is "when they are normally shite"), patronisation that will follow the equally inevitable hiding.

The more I read your posts Tony, the sweeter '04 gets ;)

Quote from: T Fearon on July 30, 2015, 05:28:05 AM
Of course I would be there. But let's face it,if Armagh,Tyrone or any other Ulster county apart from Antrim,were being patronised for beating Antrim twice,Roscommon and Westmesth,I'd be embarrassed.

Being on a par with Armagh currently is not boast worthy.


A hiding in Croke Park in a high profile game,is not what young players need neither will they need the inevitable "sure weren't they great to get as far as the quarter finals anyhow (the subtext of which is "when they are normally shite"), patronisation that will follow the equally inevitable hiding.

Roscommon are in division 1 and were touted as all Ireland Contenders sure  ;)

As much as i would like to see Fermanagh win, i fear for them being on the wrong side of an almighty hammering!

Quote from: Emmett on July 29, 2015, 11:02:57 AM

Quote from: ck on July 29, 2015, 10:18:20 AM

Quote from: T Fearon on July 29, 2015, 06:41:20 AM
I don't begrudge Fermanagh their place in the AI quarter final and would like nothing better than to see them beat Dublin,but like Armagh last year,they are there due to the luck of the draw.Cavan were quarter finalists two years ago,Armagh were there last year,what has either done since?

Totally agree. The draw couldn't have been kinder to Fermanagh.. 3 home games against below average teams. Someone mentioned that they "nearly" beat Monaghan.. were they not beaten by 10 points?
Tony is just adding reality here. Like him I would be delighted if they do well against Dublin and will be cheering them on, but as to how they got here? Good management, good support, average players all pushing in same direction and VERY LUCKY DRAW!

Quote from: ck on July 12, 2015, 10:20:19 AM
Rossies by 5 or 6. Can't believe the hype around Fermanagh. People saying they're "going well" and they're "on a good run". They've beaten Antrim twice. That's it! id say they'll get a rude awakening today

Oh he's back with more disparaging remarks about this Fermanagh side. I don't believe CK has commented on a Fermanagh match thread since he predicted a "rude awakening" against Roscommon who he now dismisses as "below average".

Maybe it would be better to focus on your own county team's shortcomings which were more than evident in the Connacht Final than to run down a team who have done nothing except beat what has been put in front of them, bar Monaghan.
There are a lot of begrudgers out there with an apparent element of the green eyed monster when it comes to brave, little Fermanagh reaching an AI quarter final.

Anyway, on Sunday we are rightly huge underdogs and in all probability will lose the match. This will not stop me travelling to Croke Park on Sunday with optimism to support the team which has given us a great summer so far and has created a real buzz and positivity around the county - something that a second tier competition will simply not do, no chance!

We have a sprinkling of very good players in key areas plus a handful of extremely underrated players (such as James McMahon, Niall Cassidy and Damian Kelly) and one thing is for sure we have a panel full of extremely dedicated and disciplined players who will be proud to represent their county in Croke Park on Sunday and will not give up no matter how things are going.

This young group of players will have learned a lot this year and will learn a lot more this Sunday and in our division 2 campaign this week. Hopefully the squad will stick together and can deliver our long awaited first Ulster title. We can only hope!

Lads, ye'r far too sensitive. Chill out will ye.
I believe that Fermanagh are a very average group of players who are playing way above themselves due to good management and are succeeding with more than a little help from the luck of the draw. Now who would argue with that??
There are a lot of parallels with my own county in many ways and I will certainly be supporting ye this weekend. To say Fermanagh are there on merit is arguable but to suggest that they are a top 8 team in the country is utter madness. They are just about top 8 in Ulster being ahead of Antrim.

Lol. You're either a wind up merchant or have had a bad experience with a fermanagh person at some point.

Fearon in a nutshell

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Fearon wouldnt go to watch Armagh playing if he had to pay in.

But if Armagh were playing on Sunday he'd be on here spouting nonsense about what a great chance they had, regardless of who they'd beaten to get there. A fool hoor who just likes to listen to himself.

Quote from: INDIANA on July 29, 2015, 11:29:52 PM
I bet they lose by less then kildare did. When you compare the relative populations that's a victory in itself.

Sackening irrogance.

I'd say Fermanagh will take great heart if they try to emulate Tyrone's performance v Dublin in the league.
Yes I know its the league but if they force them to shoot from 40 yards from the wings and really get in their faces, then we all saw last year how Dublin can go from heroes to zeroes in 10 mins. If a few shots go wide and doubt creeps in, then Fermanagh need to drill that home.
Their lack of penetration to put up scores could be their downfall but I think you'll see a more perfected defensive system than Dublin found v Westmeath.
Dublin by 2 points

Fermanagh have been a playing a defensive system all year.

Its a sign of how big the gap is between the top few counties and the rest that this will probably be a turkey shoot for Dublin. Quarter final weekend used to be the best GAA weekend of the year but nearly of all the games have a predictable outcome this year (certainly the 2 played this weekend). I'd be surprised if the gap is less than 15 points in this match. Dublin 1/200 with Paddy Power to win the match.

One thing is for sure, Fermanagh won't fear Dublin.

Quote from: Thastheball on July 30, 2015, 11:40:53 AM

Quote from: FermGael on July 30, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Fermanagh have been a playing a defensive system all year.

I know that, but we are referring to an ultra defensive set up similar to Tyrones and Derry, which caused Dublin serious problems.

McGrath has said that they will stick to the same gameplan they've played all year which is fair enough, I'd believe him as I don't think there's any point in trying to re-jig at this stage nor is it possible. Ultimately Dublin's superior fitness and options on bench will see them through, I expect Fermanagh to give it a right oul lash though and get tore into those Jackeen bastards. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

I expect the Jones Road to be a sea of green at about 5.10pm on Sunday.The only good thing for Mc Grath is that Croke Park is nearer to Rostrevor than Enniskillen.Enjoy your day all the same.

Quote from: general_lee on July 30, 2015, 11:53:39 AM

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Quote from: FermGael on July 30, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Fermanagh have been a playing a defensive system all year.

I know that, but we are referring to an ultra defensive set up similar to Tyrones and Derry, which caused Dublin serious problems.

McGrath has said that they will stick to the same gameplan they've played all year which is fair enough, I'd believe him as I don't think there's any point in trying to re-jig at this stage nor is it possible. Ultimately Dublin's superior fitness and options on bench will see them through, I expect Fermanagh to give it a right oul lash though and get tore into those Jackeen b**tards. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

The days of giving it an "oul lash" and getting stuck in relevance to the outcome of games at this level are long gone.
Fermanagh will be tanked.

Correct and then subjected to patronising crap about how great they are for getting this far and sure its amazing when Fermanagh is 40% water and 40% protestant ::)

The likelihood is that Fermanagh will be beaten but if they can stop Dublin scoring early goals then they could frustrate them for long periods of time.  They have a strong unit mentality and that goes a long way but the Dubs will have too much power to turn to and their fitness levels will be higher.  The one thing that may go in Fermanagh's favour would be that there could be a certain level of complacency in Dublin,  similar to Armagh in 2004.  This could bite them in the ass if the men from the lakelands get a run at them. 

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 30, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
They have a strong unit mentality and that goes a long way but the Dubs will have too much power to turn to and their fitness levels will be higher.  The one thing that may go in Fermanagh's favour would be that there could be a certain level of complacency in Dublin,  similar to Armagh in 2004.  This could bite them in the ass if the men from the lakelands get a run at them.

That's the only real difference between the teams alright

Quote from: ballinaman on July 30, 2015, 12:26:20 PM

Quote from: general_lee on July 30, 2015, 11:53:39 AM

Quote from: Thastheball on July 30, 2015, 11:40:53 AM

Quote from: FermGael on July 30, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Fermanagh have been a playing a defensive system all year.

I know that, but we are referring to an ultra defensive set up similar to Tyrones and Derry, which caused Dublin serious problems.

McGrath has said that they will stick to the same gameplan they've played all year which is fair enough, I'd believe him as I don't think there's any point in trying to re-jig at this stage nor is it possible. Ultimately Dublin's superior fitness and options on bench will see them through, I expect Fermanagh to give it a right oul lash though and get tore into those Jackeen b**tards. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

The days of giving it an "oul lash" and getting stuck in relevance to the outcome of games at this level are long gone.
Fermanagh will be tanked.

With regret on both counts you are 100% correct. Fermangh were 8-2 down after 25mins against the Rossies who were missing half their team. Were 5-2 down verses a poor Westmeath side after 30mins. How much will they trail Dublin after 25? The Dubs wont let up either. Fermanagh would give any side outside the top 4 a game. Alas Dublin, Kerry, Donegal and Mayo are in a different class. Then again the same could be said most Div 2 and 3 teams, when they come up against the top 4.

Quote from: ballinaman on July 30, 2015, 12:26:20 PM

Quote from: general_lee on July 30, 2015, 11:53:39 AM

Quote from: Thastheball on July 30, 2015, 11:40:53 AM

Quote from: FermGael on July 30, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Fermanagh have been a playing a defensive system all year.

I know that, but we are referring to an ultra defensive set up similar to Tyrones and Derry, which caused Dublin serious problems.

McGrath has said that they will stick to the same gameplan they've played all year which is fair enough, I'd believe him as I don't think there's any point in trying to re-jig at this stage nor is it possible. Ultimately Dublin's superior fitness and options on bench will see them through, I expect Fermanagh to give it a right oul lash though and get tore into those Jackeen b**tards. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

The days of giving it an "oul lash" and getting stuck in relevance to the outcome of games at this level are long gone.
Fermanagh will be tanked.

Interesting stat - Fermanagh have only conceded one goal so far in the championship (5 if you include the league) Statistically one of the best defences, if not the best across the 4 divisions (granted it was Division 3). Agreed though, I think Fermanagh will be competitive to a certain point before Dubs do their usual stunt and turn it on with a few goals/points combined in quick succession.

Quote from: T Fearon on July 30, 2015, 12:35:25 PM
Correct and then subjected to patronising crap about how great they are for getting this far and sure its amazing when Fermanagh is 40% water and 40% protestant ::)

But it is great that they have gotten this far. Fair play to all involved.

They will get beat, prob by a big margin. It's a huge mismatch with of all of Dublin's advantages. We've 1 championship, Fermanagh and Dublin are both in it. These match ups will happen at this stage of the competition from time to time.

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 30, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
The likelihood is that Fermanagh will be beaten but if they can stop Dublin scoring early goals then they could frustrate them for long periods of time.  They have a strong unit mentality and that goes a long way but the Dubs will have too much power to turn to and their fitness levels will be higher.  The one thing that may go in Fermanagh's favour would be that there could be a certain level of complacency in Dublin,  similar to Armagh in 2004.  This could bite them in the ass if the men from the lakelands get a run at them.

It would probably require 'forgetting what time the match is on' levels of complacency to have any effect on the outcome.

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Fermanagh have been a playing a defensive system all year.

I know that, but we are referring to an ultra defensive set up similar to Tyrones and Derry, which caused Dublin serious problems.

McGrath has said that they will stick to the same gameplan they've played all year which is fair enough, I'd believe him as I don't think there's any point in trying to re-jig at this stage nor is it possible. Ultimately Dublin's superior fitness and options on bench will see them through, I expect Fermanagh to give it a right oul lash though and get tore into those Jackeen b**tards. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

The days of giving it an "oul lash" and getting stuck in relevance to the outcome of games at this level are long gone.
Fermanagh will be tanked.

With regret on both counts you are 100% correct. Fermangh were 8-2 down after 25mins against the Rossies who were missing half their team. Were 5-2 down verses a poor Westmeath side after 30mins. How much will they trail Dublin after 25? The Dubs wont let up either. Fermanagh would give any side outside the top 4 a game. Alas Dublin, Kerry, Donegal and Mayo are in a different class. Then again the same could be said most Div 2 and 3 teams, when they come up against the top 4.

In fairness it's a bit cheeky including Donegal in a top four now. Fermanagh would probably give them a game given how well they played against Monaghan for much of their match.

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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 30, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
They have a strong unit mentality and that goes a long way but the Dubs will have too much power to turn to and their fitness levels will be higher.  The one thing that may go in Fermanagh's favour would be that there could be a certain level of complacency in Dublin,  similar to Armagh in 2004.  This could bite them in the ass if the men from the lakelands get a run at them.

That's the only real difference between the teams alright

He didn't wanna bring up the millions of money, home advantage, professional setup again Heffo

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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 30, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
They have a strong unit mentality and that goes a long way but the Dubs will have too much power to turn to and their fitness levels will be higher.  The one thing that may go in Fermanagh's favour would be that there could be a certain level of complacency in Dublin,  similar to Armagh in 2004.  This could bite them in the ass if the men from the lakelands get a run at them.

That's the only real difference between the teams alright

He didn't wanna bring up the millions of money, home advantage, professional setup again Heffo

Are you referring to the £120m received by the Ulster Council from Her Majestys Govt which coincided with Tyrones brief period of success?

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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 30, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
They have a strong unit mentality and that goes a long way but the Dubs will have too much power to turn to and their fitness levels will be higher.  The one thing that may go in Fermanagh's favour would be that there could be a certain level of complacency in Dublin,  similar to Armagh in 2004.  This could bite them in the ass if the men from the lakelands get a run at them.

That's the only real difference between the teams alright

He didn't wanna bring up the millions of money, home advantage, professional setup again Heffo

Are you referring to the £120 received by the Ulster Council from Her Majestys Govt which coincided with Tyrones brief period of success?

£120 wouldnt cover MDMC's power shakes for a week

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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 30, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
They have a strong unit mentality and that goes a long way but the Dubs will have too much power to turn to and their fitness levels will be higher.  The one thing that may go in Fermanagh's favour would be that there could be a certain level of complacency in Dublin,  similar to Armagh in 2004.  This could bite them in the ass if the men from the lakelands get a run at them.

That's the only real difference between the teams alright

He didn't wanna bring up the millions of money, home advantage, professional setup again Heffo

Are you referring to the £120 received by the Ulster Council from Her Majestys Govt which coincided with Tyrones brief period of success?

£120 wouldnt cover MDMC's power shakes for a week

(http://www.bmi.com/images/news/2011/cache/Run_DMC-600x340.jpg)

Cheers heffo....mea culpa.......me bad.   Got confused, then thought MDMA was a banned substance.

Quote from: Jinxy on July 30, 2015, 11:45:10 AM
One thing is for sure, Fermanagh won't fear Dublin.

They're just happy to be in the quarter-final. (http://www.tubechop.com/watch/6519302)

God, but this is an awful depressing place at times.
Because of our size/population and dreadful record any sort of praise appears patronising. On the other end of the scale some are just being arseholes.
No further response to that is deserved.
Dublin will almost certainly win, nobody anywhere is saying otherwise.
The truth is that the pick of Ulster may not even beat this Dublin team on a certain day but we have reached this stage on merit and will go in huge numbers to support the team.
The result on Sunday is not how this season or Fermanagh's future will be defined. The impact off the pitch has been huge in the country and the buzz around the place is great to see. There's almost as many green and white flags up now as red, white and blue.

History as you say is against the dubs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6492233.stm

Didn't go so well that night. Dublin have certainly improved since then. On paper we looked reasonable that night but it was in final year of Mulgrew's time and were struggling badly for form in League.

If the entire population of Fermanagh was sitting in Croke Pk,  there would still be over 20 000 spare seats. 

Very depressing thread for a match between 2 teams with one favourite (when you support the underdog). Happens throughout the GAA every weekend yet Fermanagh are expected to be apologetic about getting there? Think the media have a lot to for answer for as its sickening to listen to all this "winning is all that matters"

Thought this sums up a lot of what Fermanagh people feel listening to the patronising sh!te that most people are speaking http://www.hoganstand.com/Fermanagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=241757

Quote from: wanderer on July 30, 2015, 11:00:27 PM
Very depressing thread for a match between 2 teams with one favourite (when you support the underdog). Happens throughout the GAA every weekend yet Fermanagh are expected to be apologetic about getting there? Think the media have a lot to for answer for as its sickening to listen to all this "winning is all that matters"

Thought this sums up a lot of what Fermanagh people feel listening to the patronising sh!te that most people are speaking http://www.hoganstand.com/Fermanagh/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=241757

Corrigan comes off well in interviews. Doesn't do bullshit and says it like it is.

An answer to all the Dubs complaining why they have become easily the most unpopular team in Ireland..Dry your eyes and take your medicine lads, you get slagged for all the success you are enjoying and the arrogance that this brings....  They need to split Dublin in two and form an easy beaten South Dublin team that could be loved by 31 counties....
Carve the dubs up!   

9 pages.
That's a new record for any stand alone fermanagh game

Quote from: FermGael on July 30, 2015, 11:45:44 PM
9 pages.
That's a new record for any stand alone fermanagh game

Did you miss the Ros-Fermanagh thread so Ferm..

Is it right that Fermanagh qualify for the Quarter Finals beating Antrim Roscommon and Westmeath whereas a Donegal have to beat Tyrone,Armagh,Derry and Galway?

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Quote from: FermGael on July 30, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Fermanagh have been a playing a defensive system all year.

I know that, but we are referring to an ultra defensive set up similar to Tyrones and Derry, which caused Dublin serious problems.

McGrath has said that they will stick to the same gameplan they've played all year which is fair enough, I'd believe him as I don't think there's any point in trying to re-jig at this stage nor is it possible. Ultimately Dublin's superior fitness and options on bench will see them through, I expect Fermanagh to give it a right oul lash though and get tore into those Jackeen b**tards. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

The days of giving it an "oul lash" and getting stuck in relevance to the outcome of games at this level are long gone.
Fermanagh will be tanked.

With regret on both counts you are 100% correct. Fermangh were 8-2 down after 25mins against the Rossies who were missing half their team. Were 5-2 down verses a poor Westmeath side after 30mins. How much will they trail Dublin after 25? The Dubs wont let up either. Fermanagh would give any side outside the top 4 a game. Alas Dublin, Kerry, Donegal and Mayo are in a different class. Then again the same could be said most Div 2 and 3 teams, when they come up against the top 4.

In fairness it's a bit cheeky including Donegal in a top four now. Fermanagh would probably give them a game given how well they played against Monaghan for much of their match.

Well, we'll know soon enough, but in the meantime, who would be ahead of us outside of Mayo, Kerry and the Dubs?

Lots of teams could give a top 4 side a game. Cork gave Kerry their fill the first day and should have won. Armagh ran us extremely close last year. Monaghan match up extremely well against us, but have yet to do anything beyond that on the national stage and were annihilated by the Dubs last year before we got our chance. Giving someone a game and consistently making AI semis and finals are two different things.

Say McBrearty's last minute shot goes three inches to the left and we get the replay and then win Ulster? Are we still top 4?

I have my doubts personally about our prospects after the tough run of games we've had and could yet have, but that doesn't mean there are suddenly five or six teams who are better than us, any more than the hype after the Armagh game meant we were suddenly part of a top three, ahead of Mayo.

Quote from: T Fearon on July 31, 2015, 12:48:30 AM
Is it right that Fermanagh qualify for the Quarter Finals beating Antrim Roscommon and Westmeath whereas a Donegal have to beat Tyrone,Armagh,Derry and Galway?

Not Fermanagh's fault, blame an anachronistic provincial system. Who of note have Dublin beaten to get to the same stage?

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Quote from: FermGael on July 30, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Fermanagh have been a playing a defensive system all year.

I know that, but we are referring to an ultra defensive set up similar to Tyrones and Derry, which caused Dublin serious problems.

McGrath has said that they will stick to the same gameplan they've played all year which is fair enough, I'd believe him as I don't think there's any point in trying to re-jig at this stage nor is it possible. Ultimately Dublin's superior fitness and options on bench will see them through, I expect Fermanagh to give it a right oul lash though and get tore into those Jackeen b**tards. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

The days of giving it an "oul lash" and getting stuck in relevance to the outcome of games at this level are long gone.
Fermanagh will be tanked.

With regret on both counts you are 100% correct. Fermangh were 8-2 down after 25mins against the Rossies who were missing half their team. Were 5-2 down verses a poor Westmeath side after 30mins. How much will they trail Dublin after 25? The Dubs wont let up either. Fermanagh would give any side outside the top 4 a game. Alas Dublin, Kerry, Donegal and Mayo are in a different class. Then again the same could be said most Div 2 and 3 teams, when they come up against the top 4.

In fairness it's a bit cheeky including Donegal in a top four now. Fermanagh would probably give them a game given how well they played against Monaghan for much of their match.

Well, we'll know soon enough, but in the meantime, who would be ahead of us outside of Mayo, Kerry and the Dubs?

Lots of teams could give a top 4 side a game. Cork gave Kerry their fill the first day and should have won. Armagh ran us extremely close last year. Monaghan match up extremely well against us, but have yet to do anything beyond that on the national stage and were annihilated by the Dubs last year before we got our chance. Giving someone a game and consistently making AI semis and finals are two different things.

Say McBrearty's last minute shot goes three inches to the left and we get the replay and then win Ulster? Are we still top 4?

I have my doubts personally about our prospects after the tough run of games we've had and could yet have, but that doesn't mean there are suddenly five or six teams who are better than us, any more than the hype after the Armagh game meant we were suddenly part of a top three, ahead of Mayo.

If buts and maybes J70, we know all about those. Fact is Monaghan have beaten ye twice in three Ulster finals now, it's simply impossible to put you ahead of them on any right-minded scale at this point. If you beat Galway and Mayo you may have a case but that's another huge maybe.

You also have not exhibited the provincial dominance Mayo, Kerry and Dublin have in the past few years. You might say 'ah sure Ulster is tough' but both times it came down not the toughness of the province but to one team finding you out tactically. So what right does Donegal have to being put before Monaghan on any list?

Donegal would be number five if I had to rank the teams, and with Lacey out and Murphy perhaps far more limited than Gallagher is letting on its hard to put ye any higher than that at this moment.

Quote from: Syferus on July 31, 2015, 02:01:18 AM
If buts and maybes J70, we know all about those. Fact is Monaghan have beaten ye twice in three Ulster finals now, it's simply impossible to put you ahead of them on any right-minded scale at this point. If you beat Galway and Mayo you may have a case but that's another huge maybe.

You also have not exhibited the provincial dominance Mayo, Kerry and Dublin have in the past few years. You might say 'ah sure Ulster is tough' but both times it came down not the toughness of the province but to one team finding you out tactically. So what right does Donegal have to being put before Monaghan on any list?

Donegal would be number five if I had to rank the teams, and with Lacey out and Murphy perhaps far more limited than Gallagher is letting on its hard to put ye any higher than that at this moment.

Donegal will be vulnerable v Galway.

But if you asked Dublin, Mayo or Kerry would they rather play Donegal or Monaghan in an All Ireland semi or final, they'd all choose Monaghan in an instant. That could change by the end of this year, depending on whether Monaghan can up their game to the next level, which maybe they can, but for now Donegal are still top 4 and Monaghan are 5.

Can't happen but if Donegal beat Galway and were then drawn to play Monaghan in the QFs, Donegal would be favourites with every bookie. Not by a huge amount, but still favourites.

Donegal are ahead of monaghan.  They in recent years have won the anglo celt 3 out of 5 years. They have beaten Mayo, Kerry,  Dublin, Cork and not lost to Tyrone during that period.  More importantly they have won an AI title. Mayo are behind them. They are top three.

Quote from: rrhf on July 30, 2015, 11:07:31 PM
An answer to all the Dubs complaining why they have become easily the most unpopular team in Ireland..Dry your eyes and take your medicine lads, you get slagged for all the success you are enjoying and the arrogance that this brings....  They need to split Dublin in two and form an easy beaten South Dublin team that could be loved by 31 counties....
Carve the dubs up!   

Who's complaining? I'd say 99.9% of us have never known any different and couldnt give a fiddlers

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Quote from: T Fearon on July 31, 2015, 12:48:30 AM
Is it right that Fermanagh qualify for the Quarter Finals beating Antrim Roscommon and Westmeath whereas a Donegal have to beat Tyrone,Armagh,Derry and Galway?

Not Fermanagh's fault, blame an anachronistic provincial system. Who of note have Dublin beaten to get to the same stage?

use the ignore function Fear

Up Fermanagh !

Quote from: rrhf on July 30, 2015, 11:07:31 PM
An answer to all the Dubs complaining why they have become easily the most unpopular team in Ireland..Dry your eyes and take your medicine lads, you get slagged for all the success you are enjoying and the arrogance that this brings....  They need to split Dublin in two and form an easy beaten South Dublin team that could be loved by 31 counties....
Carve the dubs up!   

Prefer not to be liked and don't want to be liked, makes its all the sweater when we win, all Dubs know its 31 v1 and we love it and its great being a Dub when we are the best football playing team ever seen with naturally gifted players and the best player in the country this year and winning numerous leagues, Leinsters and all Irelands at all levels in both codes and with the best clubs in the country accompanied by the most efficient county board in the country, sure who's complaining and giving out?

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Quote from: rrhf on July 30, 2015, 11:07:31 PM
An answer to all the Dubs complaining why they have become easily the most unpopular team in Ireland..Dry your eyes and take your medicine lads, you get slagged for all the success you are enjoying and the arrogance that this brings....  They need to split Dublin in two and form an easy beaten South Dublin team that could be loved by 31 counties....
Carve the dubs up!   

Prefer not to be liked and don't want to be liked, makes its all the sweater when we win, all Dubs know its 31 v1 and we love it and its great being a Dub when we are the best football playing team ever seen with naturally gifted players and the best player in the country this year and winning numerous leagues, Leinsters and all Irelands at all levels in both codes and with the best clubs in the country accompanied by the most efficient county board in the country, sure who's complaining and giving out?

Bullsh*t, I know you all lie awake at night crying because nobody likes you (tis probably hard to sleep with all the needles and burnt spoons in the bed anyway)

With the amount of money pumped into the county the Dublin CB is by far the most inefficient in all of Ireland..

Quote from: Syferus on July 31, 2015, 10:09:52 AM
With the amount of money pumped into the county the Dublin CB is by far the most inefficient in all of Ireland..

Your ignorance makes our victories more satisfying.

Prediction: Dublin 6-25 Fermanagh 0-5.

Did someone mention Dublin getting millions of euro? I'll have a look into it and I might be back later to do a comparison between Dublin and Fermanagh in the money tables.

Quote from: Sidney on July 31, 2015, 11:10:22 AM
Prediction: Dublin 6-25 Fermanagh 0-5.

You think we will score?
Optimistic

Will Croker be full on Sunday?

Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 31, 2015, 11:37:26 AM
Did someone mention Dublin getting millions of euro? I'll have a look into it and I might be back later to do a comparison between Dublin and Fermanagh in the money tables.

Hi Leo, please do it, it would be great to see it, would really prove the point that if you gave Feermangh the same amount of money over the last 10 years they would beat Dublin on Sunday, looking forward to it Leo, thanks.

To level the playing field each dub player should wear a rucksack containing 1/15th of the difference in money between Fermanagh funding and Dublin funding on their back to weigh them down ;-)

In 5 euros notes...

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Quote from: FermGael on July 30, 2015, 11:36:42 AM
Fermanagh have been a playing a defensive system all year.

I know that, but we are referring to an ultra defensive set up similar to Tyrones and Derry, which caused Dublin serious problems.

McGrath has said that they will stick to the same gameplan they've played all year which is fair enough, I'd believe him as I don't think there's any point in trying to re-jig at this stage nor is it possible. Ultimately Dublin's superior fitness and options on bench will see them through, I expect Fermanagh to give it a right oul lash though and get tore into those Jackeen b**tards. Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

The days of giving it an "oul lash" and getting stuck in relevance to the outcome of games at this level are long gone.
Fermanagh will be tanked.

With regret on both counts you are 100% correct. Fermangh were 8-2 down after 25mins against the Rossies who were missing half their team. Were 5-2 down verses a poor Westmeath side after 30mins. How much will they trail Dublin after 25? The Dubs wont let up either. Fermanagh would give any side outside the top 4 a game. Alas Dublin, Kerry, Donegal and Mayo are in a different class. Then again the same could be said most Div 2 and 3 teams, when they come up against the top 4.

In fairness it's a bit cheeky including Donegal in a top four now. Fermanagh would probably give them a game given how well they played against Monaghan for much of their match.

Well, we'll know soon enough, but in the meantime, who would be ahead of us outside of Mayo, Kerry and the Dubs?

Lots of teams could give a top 4 side a game. Cork gave Kerry their fill the first day and should have won. Armagh ran us extremely close last year. Monaghan match up extremely well against us, but have yet to do anything beyond that on the national stage and were annihilated by the Dubs last year before we got our chance. Giving someone a game and consistently making AI semis and finals are two different things.

Say McBrearty's last minute shot goes three inches to the left and we get the replay and then win Ulster? Are we still top 4?

I have my doubts personally about our prospects after the tough run of games we've had and could yet have, but that doesn't mean there are suddenly five or six teams who are better than us, any more than the hype after the Armagh game meant we were suddenly part of a top three, ahead of Mayo.

If buts and maybes J70, we know all about those. Fact is Monaghan have beaten ye twice in three Ulster finals now, it's simply impossible to put you ahead of them on any right-minded scale at this point. If you beat Galway and Mayo you may have a case but that's another huge maybe.

You also have not exhibited the provincial dominance Mayo, Kerry and Dublin have in the past few years. You might say 'ah sure Ulster is tough' but both times it came down not the toughness of the province but to one team finding you out tactically. So what right does Donegal have to being put before Monaghan on any list?

Donegal would be number five if I had to rank the teams, and with Lacey out and Murphy perhaps far more limited than Gallagher is letting on its hard to put ye any higher than that at this moment.

Yes, Monaghan have beaten us twice, but they've done little else, yet. And the fact is they just about beat us this year, while the previous two fixtures were pretty one sided affairs,  one apiece. But if rankings go game to game, knee jerk style, with no mind paid to fixtures, then I guess you are right. What shape would Monaghan have been in, had our positions in the draw been reversed?

It's just amusing how, for the past five years, people are always writing off this team at the first sign of weakness (I've been a little guilty myself once or twice). And go back two months and read how Mayo were not too highly rated either in terms of an All Ireland.

As requested I have returned with some interesting facts and figures.

Population of Dublin: 1,270,603
Population of Fermanagh: 61,805

Clubs in Dublin: 215 (approximately)
Clubs in Fermanagh: 22

As we can see, Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh and almost 200 more clubs. In an effort to have a more even playing field, the GAA have pumped loads of money into games development in Fermanagh while giving Dublin very little. Over the past 10 years the average amount given to each yearly has been this:

Fermanagh: 1.5 million
Dublin: 42,500

So Dublin may have a huge advantage when it comes to population and club numbers but Fermanagh have far more finance available to them. I don't see why anyone is predicting a whipping, surely it will be a close game going on the figures? What's that you say? I've made a mistake? What do you mean? Dublin get the 1.5 million yearly while Fermanagh get 42,500. What are you talking about you loony? Surely that can't be right.

So you're telling me that Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh, they have almost 200 more clubs yet still get 1.5 million annually while Fermanagh only get 42,500? You're having a laugh, next you'll be telling me that they play every game at home. WHAT?????

They also have a multi million euro deal with AIG. Numerous other sponsors, them being: O'Neills, Bavaria, The Gibson Hotel, Toyota, Aer Lingus, Ros Nutrition, Ballygowan, Linwoods, Energise sport and Skins. They've added 2 new sponsors in recent times also. Benetti menswear and Gourmet food parlour. They have top level coaches, nutritionists, physiologists, lifestyle coaches, basketball coaches, a huge backroom team. They get to use the same dressing room for every game and pick which side of the pitch they warm up on. They're able to get their players time off work, they train in the best facilities in Ireland, they're getting a 9 million euro training centre built for them.

Stop, stop, STOP!!!! You are just making all of this up. There's no way this can be true. It's ridiculously crazy, how can this happen? Will somebody tell me there's some mistake here? Somebody? Anybody?

Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 31, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
As requested I have returned with some interesting facts and figures.

Population of Dublin: 1,270,603
Population of Fermanagh: 61,805

Clubs in Dublin: 215 (approximately)
Clubs in Fermanagh: 22

As we can see, Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh and almost 200 more clubs. In an effort to have a more even playing field, the GAA have pumped loads of money into games development in Fermanagh while giving Dublin very little. Over the past 10 years the average amount given to each yearly has been this:

Fermanagh: 1.5 million
Dublin: 42,500

So Dublin may have a huge advantage when it comes to population and club numbers but Fermanagh have far more finance available to them. I don't see why anyone is predicting a whipping, surely it will be a close game going on the figures? What's that you say? I've made a mistake? What do you mean? Dublin get the 1.5 million yearly while Fermanagh get 42,500. What are you talking about you loony? Surely that can't be right.

So you're telling me that Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh, they have almost 200 more clubs yet still get 1.5 million annually while Fermanagh only get 42,500? You're having a laugh, next you'll be telling me that they play every game at home. WHAT?????

They also have a multi million euro deal with AIG. Numerous other sponsors, them being: O'Neills, Bavaria, The Gibson Hotel, Toyota, Aer Lingus, Ros Nutrition, Ballygowan, Linwoods, Energise sport and Skins. They've added 2 new sponsors in recent times also. Benetti menswear and Gourmet food parlour. They have top level coaches, nutritionists, physiologists, lifestyle coaches, basketball coaches, a huge backroom team. They get to use the same dressing room for every game and pick which side of the pitch they warm up on. They're able to get their players time off work, they train in the best facilities in Ireland, they're getting a 9 million euro training centre built for them.

Stop, stop, STOP!!!! You are just making all of this up. There's no way this can be true. It's ridiculously crazy, how can this happen? Will somebody tell me there's some mistake here? Somebody? Anybody?

215 clubs? Are you mad??

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 31, 2015, 12:21:12 PM
To level the playing field each dub player should wear a rucksack containing 1/15th of the difference in money between Fermanagh funding and Dublin funding on their back to weigh them down ;-)

In 5 euros notes...

2 Euro coins more like it!!

Closer to 90 clubs in Dublin

I think I see the point of confusion. Each club has 215 teams.

Quote from: heffo on July 31, 2015, 01:30:20 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 31, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
As requested I have returned with some interesting facts and figures.

Population of Dublin: 1,270,603
Population of Fermanagh: 61,805

Clubs in Dublin: 215 (approximately)
Clubs in Fermanagh: 22

As we can see, Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh and almost 200 more clubs. In an effort to have a more even playing field, the GAA have pumped loads of money into games development in Fermanagh while giving Dublin very little. Over the past 10 years the average amount given to each yearly has been this:

Fermanagh: 1.5 million
Dublin: 42,500

So Dublin may have a huge advantage when it comes to population and club numbers but Fermanagh have far more finance available to them. I don't see why anyone is predicting a whipping, surely it will be a close game going on the figures? What's that you say? I've made a mistake? What do you mean? Dublin get the 1.5 million yearly while Fermanagh get 42,500. What are you talking about you loony? Surely that can't be right.

So you're telling me that Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh, they have almost 200 more clubs yet still get 1.5 million annually while Fermanagh only get 42,500? You're having a laugh, next you'll be telling me that they play every game at home. WHAT?????

They also have a multi million euro deal with AIG. Numerous other sponsors, them being: O'Neills, Bavaria, The Gibson Hotel, Toyota, Aer Lingus, Ros Nutrition, Ballygowan, Linwoods, Energise sport and Skins. They've added 2 new sponsors in recent times also. Benetti menswear and Gourmet food parlour. They have top level coaches, nutritionists, physiologists, lifestyle coaches, basketball coaches, a huge backroom team. They get to use the same dressing room for every game and pick which side of the pitch they warm up on. They're able to get their players time off work, they train in the best facilities in Ireland, they're getting a 9 million euro training centre built for them.

Stop, stop, STOP!!!! You are just making all of this up. There's no way this can be true. It's ridiculously crazy, how can this happen? Will somebody tell me there's some mistake here? Somebody? Anybody?

215 clubs? Are you mad??

The only corrective action is to split Dublin.

Regardless of the result on Sunday Fermanagh are rightly the team of this years championship, they have shown what can be done with commitment and dedication, Dublin will probably win easily and the pundits  and scribes will give the usual pat on the back to Fermanagh but what they have achieved is way beyond what winning and All-ire would be for Dublin or Kerry etc, congrats Fermanagh and well done, you are an example to all counties with limited resources including my own beloved Rossies.

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 31, 2015, 12:21:12 PM
To level the playing field each dub player should wear a rucksack containing 1/15th of the difference in money between Fermanagh funding and Dublin funding on their back to weigh them down ;-)

In 5 euros notes...

Very good, this comment cheered me up. Wouldn't it make a great scene. Like something out of Father Ted

Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 31, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
They get to use the same dressing room for every game and pick which side of the pitch they warm up on

Ahem cough cough

Quote from: Bod Mor on July 31, 2015, 02:00:04 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 31, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
They get to use the same dressing room for every game and pick which side of the pitch they warm up on

Ahem cough cough

(http://c1.thejournal.ie/media/2013/09/both-teams-warm-up-at-the-hiil-16-end-of-the-pitch-2782006-630x399.jpg)

Yes maybe all true Two but there's one thing the Dubs can't buy and that the Fermanagh fans have bought lots if this year and that's an exciting, entertaining run of matches where the true feeling of GAA championship football runs through their veins. Where each match is a proper battle and those butterfly feelings in your stomach makes it the amazing journey that it is. To get to play in Croke park will be exciting for both players and fans.
Dublin fans are instead served up game after game of predictability with them arriving in late from the pubs to see that the game is already over after 5 mins.
No atmosphere, no tension, no butterflies each game a borefest. Then Bam, its all over for another year and the summer wasn't one if stories of the weekend in Ballybofey or Tralee.
They've created a monster and are giving the poor Dub fans a poor excuse for entertainment.

Quote from: Fuzzman on July 31, 2015, 02:04:38 PM
Yes maybe all true Two but there's one thing the Dubs can't buy and that the Fermanagh fans have bought lots if this year and that's an exciting, entertaining run of matches where the true feeling of GAA championship football runs through their veins. Where each match is a proper battle and those butterfly feelings in your stomach makes it the amazing journey that it is. To get to play in Croke park will be exciting for both players and fans.
Dublin fans are instead served up game after game of predictability with them arriving in late from the pubs to see that the game is already over after 5 mins.
No atmosphere, no tension, no butterflies each game a borefest. Then Bam, its all over for another year and the summer wasn't one if stories of the weekend in Ballybofey or Tralee.
They've created a monster and are giving the poor Dub fans a poor excuse for entertainment.

We just have to wait longer until the quarters, semis and final to get that, that's the only difference.

Quote from: heffo on July 31, 2015, 01:30:20 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 31, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
As requested I have returned with some interesting facts and figures.

Population of Dublin: 1,270,603
Population of Fermanagh: 61,805

Clubs in Dublin: 215 (approximately)
Clubs in Fermanagh: 22

As we can see, Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh and almost 200 more clubs. In an effort to have a more even playing field, the GAA have pumped loads of money into games development in Fermanagh while giving Dublin very little. Over the past 10 years the average amount given to each yearly has been this:

Fermanagh: 1.5 million
Dublin: 42,500

So Dublin may have a huge advantage when it comes to population and club numbers but Fermanagh have far more finance available to them. I don't see why anyone is predicting a whipping, surely it will be a close game going on the figures? What's that you say? I've made a mistake? What do you mean? Dublin get the 1.5 million yearly while Fermanagh get 42,500. What are you talking about you loony? Surely that can't be right.

So you're telling me that Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh, they have almost 200 more clubs yet still get 1.5 million annually while Fermanagh only get 42,500? You're having a laugh, next you'll be telling me that they play every game at home. WHAT?????

They also have a multi million euro deal with AIG. Numerous other sponsors, them being: O'Neills, Bavaria, The Gibson Hotel, Toyota, Aer Lingus, Ros Nutrition, Ballygowan, Linwoods, Energise sport and Skins. They've added 2 new sponsors in recent times also. Benetti menswear and Gourmet food parlour. They have top level coaches, nutritionists, physiologists, lifestyle coaches, basketball coaches, a huge backroom team. They get to use the same dressing room for every game and pick which side of the pitch they warm up on. They're able to get their players time off work, they train in the best facilities in Ireland, they're getting a 9 million euro training centre built for them.

Stop, stop, STOP!!!! You are just making all of this up. There's no way this can be true. It's ridiculously crazy, how can this happen? Will somebody tell me there's some mistake here? Somebody? Anybody?

215 clubs? Are you mad??

That figure includes Copper's, Dicey's, Club 92, Tamango's, The Wright Venue and all those horrible places on Leeson Street.

Decent comp here for Dublin fans, Brogan jersey up for grabs! https://twitter.com/BeanBagSports/status/627117275947102209

Quote from: giveballaghback on July 31, 2015, 01:52:49 PM
Regardless of the result on Sunday Fermanagh are rightly the team of this years championship, they have shown what can be done with commitment and dedication, Dublin will probably win easily and the pundits  and scribes will give the usual pat on the back to Fermanagh but what they have achieved is way beyond what winning and All-ire would be for Dublin or Kerry etc, congrats Fermanagh and well done, you are an example to all counties with limited resources including my own beloved Rossies.

The game is being covered by RTE. There's little doubt, in the event that the game goes as many predict, that the three stooges will tell us that that game did Fermanagh no good nor did it do anything for Dublin. Poor little Fermanagh should play in a second tier blah blah..............

Jim Galvin kept talking about Seamie Quigley in his press conference yesterday.
Invitations sent out to press launches with Philly McMahon and Cian O'Sullivan in next few weeks.

Quote from: FermGael on July 31, 2015, 04:03:28 PM
Jim Galvin kept talking about Seamie Quigley in his press conference yesterday.
Invitations sent out to press launches with Philly McMahon and Cian O'Sullivan in next few weeks.

This can't be true? They've arranged press calls with those players before a ball is kicked???

Check out @KCsixtyseven's Tweet: https://twitter.com/KCsixtyseven/status/627096554680254464?s=08

                      1 Thomas Treacy
2 Mickey Jones 3 Marty O'Brien 4 Niall Cassidy
5 Declan McCusker 6 Ryan McCluskey 7 James McMahon
        8 Eoin Donnelly9 Richard O'Callaghan
10 Barry Mulrone 11 Ryan Jones 12 Ruairi Corrigan
13 Paul McCusker 14 Sean Quigley 15 Tomas Corrigan

Fermanagh team named and only the one change with Ruairi Corrigan coming in for T Daly.  Means Marty O Brien dropping back to the full back line which is a position he excelled in against Monaghan when he kept Conor McManus fairly quiet from play.

Fermanagh will set up as they have done all year.  They will leave play with men behind the ball and break out of defence at pace.  Ruairi Corrigan had to start after his performance the last day.  Against both Roscommon and Westmeath he came in from the bench and immediately we were a lot better going forward.  We have to get off to a good start.  We have to be clinical up front and deny Dublin space in defence.
We cannot give Dublin procession from kickouts. We have 3 very strong aerial players around the middle and our midfield 3 have been a strength all year.  If we can frustrate Dublin,give them a bit to think about, and get the crowd on their back then who knows.
Some of the commentary in the written and spoken media this week has been nothing short of patronising and lazy about Fermanagh.  The 20 clubs line is a fact not an excuse.  Seems most are delighted that we have made it this far but we should know our role, turn up, take a good beating and go back up the road happy about it.
I think there is a big performance within this Fermanagh team. McGrath has instilled a great sense of self belief within the players. We have a bench with players who have made a difference when introduced this year.  I remember all this chat in 2004 when we played Armagh.  Serious panel, physically stronger, better players, all Ireland champions the year before. Meant nothing when the wheels came off.  Dublin are human. They are not infallible.

Good man fermgael,

Exact same as 2004, We were told it was a privilege to be on the same pitch as Armagh and to be happy with the experience.

Fcuk it, we will go out and do what we can do and see where it takes us.

Dubs are exceptional, but overhyped as usual, let's hope there is complacency and we can take advantage.

Fear manach Abu and fcuk the begrudgers.

I sense a certain circumspection in the Dublin camp, something they're somewhat unaccustomed to at this particular juncture: if those pigs aren't flying, they might just be gliding, unaided! :)

Dream on.

Excellent post Ferm Gael. Tony, I suppose is dreaming what it would be like if Armagh were there. To be honest, I like many others can't see anything other than a Dublin win, but here's hoping I'm wrong on this one.

So much begrudgery on this thread. Shame on fermanagh for getting this far!

Hope to see them keep it tight for twenty minutes anyway. Be interesting to see where quigley plays after last day.

Bonus territory for Fermanagh. The dream lives on and even if they get by whatever margin they will reflect on 2015 as a massive season for them. Division 2 for 2016 and quarter final at least of the championship.

If I was a Fermanagh fan I would be truly embarrassed.Everyone telling me how great my county is while simultaneously predicting we're going to get a hiding tomorrow but nevertheless we're still great.

No other Ulster county,apart from Fermanagh,would be patronised in this way.

If Fermanagh had anything truly about them,they would have beaten Armagh in the league div 3 final,but were well beaten in the end,by a mediocre Armagh team.

Quote from: T Fearon on August 01, 2015, 10:23:32 AM
If I was a Fermanagh fan I would be truly embarrassed.Everyone telling me how great my county is while simultaneously predicting we're going to get a hiding tomorrow but nevertheless we're still great.

No other Ulster county,apart from Fermanagh,would be patronised in this way.

If Fermanagh had anything truly about them,they would have beaten Armagh in the league div 3 final,but were well beaten in the end,by a mediocre Armagh team.

As a human being you have nothing. Literally nothing.

I know we shouldn't get personal but surely at this stage its just a statement of objective fact

Quote from: T Fearon on August 01, 2015, 10:23:32 AM
If I was a Fermanagh fan I would be truly embarrassed.Everyone telling me how great my county is while simultaneously predicting we're going to get a hiding tomorrow but nevertheless we're still great.

No other Ulster county,apart from Fermanagh,would be patronised in this way.

If Fermanagh had anything truly about them,they would have beaten Armagh in the league div 3 final,but were well beaten in the end,by a mediocre Armagh team.

Should they not turn up then? Solution-time.

Tony do you sit at home just constantly wumming.

Of course they should turn up,but there should be no nauseating media campaign patronising them.As with all their ties in Leinster previously this is a routine fixture for Dublin ahead of their first real challenge of the season,in the semi final.

I guess the media should just say dublin are playing and not mention the opposition then ???

Irish News preview a bit confusing. First of all, a picture of Andy Watters yet a byline for Paddy Heaney. My guess is that it's Watters.Then the article attributes a quote to Jim Gavin that he admired wee Pete going back to what he achieved with Burren in the 80s.I would doubt if Gavin said that as the only thing Pete achieved with Burren was going to see them play

Gavin said that about Burren during an interview last night,on either BBC Newsline or UTV Live,can't remember which,but I did hear it.Obviously his pr team haven't done their research.

Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 31, 2015, 01:49:26 PM

Quote from: heffo on July 31, 2015, 01:30:20 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 31, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
As requested I have returned with some interesting facts and figures.

Population of Dublin: 1,270,603
Population of Fermanagh: 61,805

Clubs in Dublin: 215 (approximately)
Clubs in Fermanagh: 22

As we can see, Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh and almost 200 more clubs. In an effort to have a more even playing field, the GAA have pumped loads of money into games development in Fermanagh while giving Dublin very little. Over the past 10 years the average amount given to each yearly has been this:

Fermanagh: 1.5 million
Dublin: 42,500

So Dublin may have a huge advantage when it comes to population and club numbers but Fermanagh have far more finance available to them. I don't see why anyone is predicting a whipping, surely it will be a close game going on the figures? What's that you say? I've made a mistake? What do you mean? Dublin get the 1.5 million yearly while Fermanagh get 42,500. What are you talking about you loony? Surely that can't be right.

So you're telling me that Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh, they have almost 200 more clubs yet still get 1.5 million annually while Fermanagh only get 42,500? You're having a laugh, next you'll be telling me that they play every game at home. WHAT?????

They also have a multi million euro deal with AIG. Numerous other sponsors, them being: O'Neills, Bavaria, The Gibson Hotel, Toyota, Aer Lingus, Ros Nutrition, Ballygowan, Linwoods, Energise sport and Skins. They've added 2 new sponsors in recent times also. Benetti menswear and Gourmet food parlour. They have top level coaches, nutritionists, physiologists, lifestyle coaches, basketball coaches, a huge backroom team. They get to use the same dressing room for every game and pick which side of the pitch they warm up on. They're able to get their players time off work, they train in the best facilities in Ireland, they're getting a 9 million euro training centre built for them.

Stop, stop, STOP!!!! You are just making all of this up. There's no way this can be true. It's ridiculously crazy, how can this happen? Will somebody tell me there's some mistake here? Somebody? Anybody?

215 clubs? Are you mad??

The only corrective action is to split Dublin.

No way,
you can't split a joke into two.
Dublin need the 1.5m people, a zilion senior/ intermediate/junior teams, a few zillion euros, play all their games at home and  make shapes about how good they are,  just so they can win the occasional AI.

The ulster begrudgery towards the Dubs knows no bounds.

Fermanagh have the songs out for this one.

Quote from: Main Street on August 01, 2015, 07:56:51 PM

Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 31, 2015, 01:49:26 PM

Quote from: heffo on July 31, 2015, 01:30:20 PM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 31, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
As requested I have returned with some interesting facts and figures.

Population of Dublin: 1,270,603
Population of Fermanagh: 61,805

Clubs in Dublin: 215 (approximately)
Clubs in Fermanagh: 22

As we can see, Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh and almost 200 more clubs. In an effort to have a more even playing field, the GAA have pumped loads of money into games development in Fermanagh while giving Dublin very little. Over the past 10 years the average amount given to each yearly has been this:

Fermanagh: 1.5 million
Dublin: 42,500

So Dublin may have a huge advantage when it comes to population and club numbers but Fermanagh have far more finance available to them. I don't see why anyone is predicting a whipping, surely it will be a close game going on the figures? What's that you say? I've made a mistake? What do you mean? Dublin get the 1.5 million yearly while Fermanagh get 42,500. What are you talking about you loony? Surely that can't be right.

So you're telling me that Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh, they have almost 200 more clubs yet still get 1.5 million annually while Fermanagh only get 42,500? You're having a laugh, next you'll be telling me that they play every game at home. WHAT?????

They also have a multi million euro deal with AIG. Numerous other sponsors, them being: O'Neills, Bavaria, The Gibson Hotel, Toyota, Aer Lingus, Ros Nutrition, Ballygowan, Linwoods, Energise sport and Skins. They've added 2 new sponsors in recent times also. Benetti menswear and Gourmet food parlour. They have top level coaches, nutritionists, physiologists, lifestyle coaches, basketball coaches, a huge backroom team. They get to use the same dressing room for every game and pick which side of the pitch they warm up on. They're able to get their players time off work, they train in the best facilities in Ireland, they're getting a 9 million euro training centre built for them.

Stop, stop, STOP!!!! You are just making all of this up. There's no way this can be true. It's ridiculously crazy, how can this happen? Will somebody tell me there's some mistake here? Somebody? Anybody?

215 clubs? Are you mad??

The only corrective action is to split Dublin.

No way,
you can't split a joke into two.
Dublin need the 1.5m people, a zilion senior/ intermediate/junior teams, a few zillion euros, play all their games at home and  make shapes about how good they are,  just so they can win the occasional AI.

Ha ha let's see how good you are next week kid. Instead of the usual diatribe you should turn your attention to trying to beat Tyrone.

When you understand the basic demographics of Dublin GAA give us a shout

You have to send you best footballers to DCU to be trained by us anyway.

It's part of the Dublin Give Together programme of sharing.

If anything we send our best to UUJ.

Antrim GAA has been good to us.

Quote from: Schkite on August 01, 2015, 08:52:38 PM
If anything we send our best to UUJ.

Antrim GAA has been good to us.

Glad it's been good to someone.

Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 31, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
As requested I have returned with some interesting facts and figures.

Population of Dublin: 1,270,603
Population of Fermanagh: 61,805

Clubs in Dublin: 215 (approximately)
Clubs in Fermanagh: 22

As we can see, Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh and almost 200 more clubs. In an effort to have a more even playing field, the GAA have pumped loads of money into games development in Fermanagh while giving Dublin very little. Over the past 10 years the average amount given to each yearly has been this:

Fermanagh: 1.5 million
Dublin: 42,500

So Dublin may have a huge advantage when it comes to population and club numbers but Fermanagh have far more finance available to them. I don't see why anyone is predicting a whipping, surely it will be a close game going on the figures? What's that you say? I've made a mistake? What do you mean? Dublin get the 1.5 million yearly while Fermanagh get 42,500. What are you talking about you loony? Surely that can't be right.

So you're telling me that Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh, they have almost 200 more clubs yet still get 1.5 million annually while Fermanagh only get 42,500? You're having a laugh, next you'll be telling me that they play every game at home. WHAT?????

They also have a multi million euro deal with AIG. Numerous other sponsors, them being: O'Neills, Bavaria, The Gibson Hotel, Toyota, Aer Lingus, Ros Nutrition, Ballygowan, Linwoods, Energise sport and Skins. They've added 2 new sponsors in recent times also. Benetti menswear and Gourmet food parlour. They have top level coaches, nutritionists, physiologists, lifestyle coaches, basketball coaches, a huge backroom team. They get to use the same dressing room for every game and pick which side of the pitch they warm up on. They're able to get their players time off work, they train in the best facilities in Ireland, they're getting a 9 million euro training centre built for them.

Stop, stop, STOP!!!! You are just making all of this up. There's no way this can be true. It's ridiculously crazy, how can this happen? Will somebody tell me there's some mistake here? Somebody? Anybody?

In fairness to dublin they prob need the money to pay for their players drug habits. And they play all there games at home cause none of them know how to drive.

Not appropriate at all.

Quote from: Rua1r1 on August 02, 2015, 12:26:40 AM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 31, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
As requested I have returned with some interesting facts and figures.

Population of Dublin: 1,270,603
Population of Fermanagh: 61,805

Clubs in Dublin: 215 (approximately)
Clubs in Fermanagh: 22

As we can see, Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh and almost 200 more clubs. In an effort to have a more even playing field, the GAA have pumped loads of money into games development in Fermanagh while giving Dublin very little. Over the past 10 years the average amount given to each yearly has been this:

Fermanagh: 1.5 million
Dublin: 42,500

So Dublin may have a huge advantage when it comes to population and club numbers but Fermanagh have far more finance available to them. I don't see why anyone is predicting a whipping, surely it will be a close game going on the figures? What's that you say? I've made a mistake? What do you mean? Dublin get the 1.5 million yearly while Fermanagh get 42,500. What are you talking about you loony? Surely that can't be right.

So you're telling me that Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh, they have almost 200 more clubs yet still get 1.5 million annually while Fermanagh only get 42,500? You're having a laugh, next you'll be telling me that they play every game at home. WHAT?????

They also have a multi million euro deal with AIG. Numerous other sponsors, them being: O'Neills, Bavaria, The Gibson Hotel, Toyota, Aer Lingus, Ros Nutrition, Ballygowan, Linwoods, Energise sport and Skins. They've added 2 new sponsors in recent times also. Benetti menswear and Gourmet food parlour. They have top level coaches, nutritionists, physiologists, lifestyle coaches, basketball coaches, a huge backroom team. They get to use the same dressing room for every game and pick which side of the pitch they warm up on. They're able to get their players time off work, they train in the best facilities in Ireland, they're getting a 9 million euro training centre built for them.

Stop, stop, STOP!!!! You are just making all of this up. There's no way this can be true. It's ridiculously crazy, how can this happen? Will somebody tell me there's some mistake here? Somebody? Anybody?

In fairness to dublin they prob need the money to pay for their players drug habits. And they play all there games at home cause none of them know how to drive.

As part of their rehabilitation we offer free skills programmes on teaching other counties how to play the game. Typically every 3rd or 4th  week of every month in Croke Park

Quote from: Rua1r1 on August 02, 2015, 12:26:40 AM
In fairness to dublin they prob need the money to pay for their players drug habits. And they play all there games at home cause none of them know how to drive.

By five o'clock today you'll be counting down the minutes and wishing for it to be all over.

Quote from: Rua1r1 on August 02, 2015, 12:26:40 AM

Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 31, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
As requested I have returned with some interesting facts and figures.

Population of Dublin: 1,270,603
Population of Fermanagh: 61,805

Clubs in Dublin: 215 (approximately)
Clubs in Fermanagh: 22

As we can see, Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh and almost 200 more clubs. In an effort to have a more even playing field, the GAA have pumped loads of money into games development in Fermanagh while giving Dublin very little. Over the past 10 years the average amount given to each yearly has been this:

Fermanagh: 1.5 million
Dublin: 42,500

So Dublin may have a huge advantage when it comes to population and club numbers but Fermanagh have far more finance available to them. I don't see why anyone is predicting a whipping, surely it will be a close game going on the figures? What's that you say? I've made a mistake? What do you mean? Dublin get the 1.5 million yearly while Fermanagh get 42,500. What are you talking about you loony? Surely that can't be right.

So you're telling me that Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh, they have almost 200 more clubs yet still get 1.5 million annually while Fermanagh only get 42,500? You're having a laugh, next you'll be telling me that they play every game at home. WHAT?????

They also have a multi million euro deal with AIG. Numerous other sponsors, them being: O'Neills, Bavaria, The Gibson Hotel, Toyota, Aer Lingus, Ros Nutrition, Ballygowan, Linwoods, Energise sport and Skins. They've added 2 new sponsors in recent times also. Benetti menswear and Gourmet food parlour. They have top level coaches, nutritionists, physiologists, lifestyle coaches, basketball coaches, a huge backroom team. They get to use the same dressing room for every game and pick which side of the pitch they warm up on. They're able to get their players time off work, they train in the best facilities in Ireland, they're getting a 9 million euro training centre built for them.

Stop, stop, STOP!!!! You are just making all of this up. There's no way this can be true. It's ridiculously crazy, how can this happen? Will somebody tell me there's some mistake here? Somebody? Anybody?

In fairness to dublin they prob need the money to pay for their players drug habits. And they play all there games at home cause none of them know how to drive.

You went to all the trouble of registering to post that tripe you attention seeking fcukwit!

My wife asked the question this morning; why are Dublin 1/200 and Fermanagh 20/1, why are they not the inverse? Now, I'm no betting expert, I get the basics and my response was that the bookies are never gonna offer 200/1 in a two-horse race. I'm sure there's more to it; elaborate please and thank you?

Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on August 02, 2015, 11:12:27 AM
My wife asked the question this morning; why are Dublin 1/200 and Fermanagh 20/1, why are they not the inverse? Now, I'm no betting expert, I get the basics and my response was that the bookies are never gonna offer 200/1 in a two-horse race. I'm sure there's more to it; elaborate please and thank you?

Simples.....  The bookie does not want to lose much!

But if she is feeling confident on the Dubs, tell her to stick £20,000 on to get £100 back!

Fermanagh are 16-1 to win, as my brother put a fiver on them, so i don't know how Dublin are 1-200 on but you can only get the Erne men at 16-1, had them been 50 /75 -1 i put a tenner on them myself

Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 31, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
As requested I have returned with some interesting facts and figures.

Population of Dublin: 1,270,603
Population of Fermanagh: 61,805

Clubs in Dublin: 215 (approximately)
Clubs in Fermanagh: 22

As we can see, Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh and almost 200 more clubs. In an effort to have a more even playing field, the GAA have pumped loads of money into games development in Fermanagh while giving Dublin very little. Over the past 10 years the average amount given to each yearly has been this:

Fermanagh: 1.5 million
Dublin: 42,500

So Dublin may have a huge advantage when it comes to population and club numbers but Fermanagh have far more finance available to them. I don't see why anyone is predicting a whipping, surely it will be a close game going on the figures? What's that you say? I've made a mistake? What do you mean? Dublin get the 1.5 million yearly while Fermanagh get 42,500. What are you talking about you loony? Surely that can't be right.

So you're telling me that Dublin have 1.2 million more people than Fermanagh, they have almost 200 more clubs yet still get 1.5 million annually while Fermanagh only get 42,500? You're having a laugh, next you'll be telling me that they play every game at home. WHAT?????

They also have a multi million euro deal with AIG. Numerous other sponsors, them being: O'Neills, Bavaria, The Gibson Hotel, Toyota, Aer Lingus, Ros Nutrition, Ballygowan, Linwoods, Energise sport and Skins. They've added 2 new sponsors in recent times also. Benetti menswear and Gourmet food parlour. They have top level coaches, nutritionists, physiologists, lifestyle coaches, basketball coaches, a huge backroom team. They get to use the same dressing room for every game and pick which side of the pitch they warm up on. They're able to get their players time off work, they train in the best facilities in Ireland, they're getting a 9 million euro training centre built for them.

Stop, stop, STOP!!!! You are just making all of this up. There's no way this can be true. It's ridiculously crazy, how can this happen? Will somebody tell me there's some mistake here? Somebody? Anybody?

So the only mistake out of all of this was the club numbers? Noone can tell me any of the rest is untrue? So people know that Dublin are been given huge advantages, advantages that are impossible for most counties to overcome, yet there is no uproar over this? Has it ever been mentioned on the Sunday Game even? I might have to ring them up or tweeter them as they do these days to get them to mention it.

Ok, I signed up to the twitter and I sent the Sunday Game a few tweeters. I'm sure it's going to get mentioned!

Best of luck fermanagh, who's to say it can't be a repeat of this time 11 years ago when the two underdogs upset the two raging hot favourites

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Quote from: Schkite on August 01, 2015, 08:52:38 PM
If anything we send our best to UUJ.

Antrim GAA has been good to us.

Glad it's been good to someone.

Antrim GAA is mainly good to comedy writers.

C'mon Fermanagh! Let's see at least one game today.

Dublin will want to make a statement after that Kerry performance.Bet of the day is the 4/1 Dublin to score four or more goals

This could be savagery as well. How many buses did Fermanagh bring to the match?

If Fermsnagh can keep things tight and the margin to about half the previous game then  that will be a decent outcome on the day.

Lovely touch by the GAA to remember Mellisa Patterson who was killed jogging in Breaffy. Two weeks before her Leaving Cert results were due, one of the most horrible accidents I've ever heard of.

Fermanagh all over the dubs..

Dublin player took out the defender. No free

Can't understand Fermanagh opting to start against the wind.

Bleddy pigeons again. Can CP not afford to employ a hawk?

Game over

Game over! Only need another three Dubs goals to get a 4/1 Bet up

Sin é. Not too bad. Contest for 14 minutes.

Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2015, 04:13:18 PM

Bleddy pigeons again. Can CP not afford to employ a hawk?

They have one already. Too busy telling us if there have been scores or not.

Fermanagh wasting a lot of chances upfront. Otherwise doing alright.

Dublin look good without over extending themselves  , Fermanagh trying hard and not doing too bad but Jesus could someone shut Martin carney up!!

Quote from: Beantown on August 02, 2015, 04:35:02 PM
Dublin look good without over extending themselves  , Fermanagh trying hard and not doing too bad but Jesus could someone shut Martin carney up!!

:-[

Some of the defending by Fermanagh today has been very loose. Brogan won't have as much room to score in the next game.

Fermanagh's refusal to go for goal is admirable.

Quote from: never kickt a ball on August 02, 2015, 05:23:13 PM
Fermanagh's refusal to go for goal is admirable.

:)

Quigley with the assist for the goal there.

Martin Carney, "Fermanagh are beginning to wilt", Shut up the f**k will ya  >:(

Quote from: T Fearon on August 02, 2015, 03:44:41 PM
Dublin will want to make a statement after that Kerry performance.Bet of the day is the 4/1 Dublin to score four or more goals

Time running out for your bet T.

Another comedy goal.

Both fermanagh goals comical, in different ways.

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Quote from: T Fearon on August 02, 2015, 03:44:41 PM
Dublin will want to make a statement after that Kerry performance.Bet of the day is the 4/1 Dublin to score four or more goals

Time running out for your bet T.

Four goals scored now. Is that your bet up Tony?

Cluxton is having a bit of a nightmare 😂😂😂

Only one team on the pitch showing balls.  Dublin look as if they have the inferiority complex.  Donegal will kick their pan in (if they get past Mayo).

Fermanagh won the second half.

Quote from: under the bar on August 02, 2015, 05:35:26 PM
Only one team on the pitch showing balls.  Dublin look as if they have the inferiority complex.  Donegal will kick their pan in.

Or Mayo

Fair play Fermanagh. Played like they could win even 9pts down and 2 mins left. Quigley MOTM.

Great finish. No doubt loads of bets lost on that margin.

Fair play to Fermanagh went down fighting gave it their best shot unlike Kildare v Kerry or Sligo v Mayo. Quarter final and promoted to division two well done to Fermanagh on a good year.

Have to admit I was wrong.Fermanagh hugely impressive,and fought like tigers.Quigley's performance was immense,as was every other player's in a green jersey.

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Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2015, 05:30:49 PM

Quote from: T Fearon on August 02, 2015, 03:44:41 PM
Dublin will want to make a statement after that Kerry performance.Bet of the day is the 4/1 Dublin to score four or more goals

Time running out for your bet T.

Four goals scored now. Is that your bet up Tony?

I had Sean Quigley over 3.5 1.83/1.  Not much of a sweat.

Fair play Fermanagh. Imagine what quigley would be like if he lost that arse!

Based on what I seen today, I'd have to put Kerry as new favourites to win the All Ireland. Dublin have shown some weaknesses in the last couple of matches and when they come under pressure against better opposition they could well come a cropper. They will be hoping Mayo beat Donegal as I feel that they might struggle again against Donegals defensive style.

Some spirit and pride in the jersey from the Fermanagh men.  Big Quigley is some pup.  Barry Mulrone was superb from start to finish motm for me

Fairly surprised how easy they cut through the Dublin defence at times

Quote from: T Fearon on August 02, 2015, 05:40:09 PM
Have to admit I was wrong.Fermanagh hugely impressive,and fought like tigers.Quigley's performance was immense,as was every other player's in a green jersey.

You're used to it, surely.

Fermanagh only losing to Dublin by 8 points, with all the advantages Dublin have that I listed earlier in this thread Dublin should have won by 50 points at least. This is a victory for Fermanagh, fair play to them.

Quote from: yellowcard on August 02, 2015, 05:42:30 PM
Based on what I seen today, I'd have to put Kerry as new favourites to win the All Ireland. Dublin have shown some weaknesses in the last couple of matches and when they come under pressure against better opposition they could well come a cropper. They will be hoping Mayo beat Donegal as I feel that they might struggle again against Donegals defensive style.

Kerry played against a heartless team. Dublin played against a team that did most of the basics right and had no shortage of heart.

I wouldn't be installing favourites or reading much into what happened today.

Quote from: Itchy on August 02, 2015, 05:41:06 PM
Fair play Fermanagh. Imagine what quigley would be like if he lost that arse!

Serious tyre about middle as well. Great to see that playing the Dublin nutritionists and dieticians. ;D

Huge credit to Fermanagh who showed Kildare, Meath & the rest of Leinster what a bit of spirit can do for you.

Dublin still have huge problems at the back & I'd say the odds for winning Sam will have changed somewhat after today

Kerry will be favourites.  They have the winners of Tyrone Monaghan in the semi.  Other side of the draw a lot harder.

Quote from: Teo Lurley on August 02, 2015, 05:45:02 PM
Fermanagh only losing to Dublin by 8 points, with all the advantages Dublin have that I listed earlier in this thread Dublin should have won by 50 points at least. This is a victory for Fermanagh, fair play to them.

Who do you fancy next? Mayo or Donegal.

Let's be real here, kerry are streets ahead of everyone else left. Unless mayo have something up their sleeves, they are far ahead of the dubs.  Claxton best days are behind him also.

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
Let's be real here, kerry are streets ahead of everyone else left. Unless mayo have something up their sleeves, they are far ahead of the dubs.  Claxton best days are behind him also.

Ok.

Fermanagh emerge with credit and put many bigger counties to shame. Galvin can point to Dublin errors and Kerry excellence to reduce hype. Mayo or Donegal will probably learn more from their quarter final by playing strong opposition.

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
Let's be real here, kerry are streets ahead of everyone else left. Unless mayo have something up their sleeves, they are far ahead of the dubs.  Claxton best days are behind him also.

Kerry would beat the pick of the rest of the teams left by 20 points.

Fair play to fermanagh for showing a lot of heart. Pity they missed a lot of chances in the first half or they might have had a chance to put Dublin under some real pleasure

Quigley is class. That goal and aftermath shows what gaelic football has lost.

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:45:45 PM
Quigley is class. That goal and aftermath shows what gaelic football has lost.

Are you saying Gaelic football has lost the art of pushing a goalkeeper over the line to score a goal?

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:45:45 PM
Quigley is class. That goal and aftermath shows what gaelic football has lost.

Overweight full forwards that can't run? Not sure we miss them much.

Did you see Connolly's two points today- a thoroughbred athlete with perfect skills execution.

That's modern Gaelic Football.

The Seamus Quigley's Rebels without a Cause of this world always end their careers wondering what might have been had they swopped pizza  for proper nutrition.

Quote from: armaghniac on August 02, 2015, 06:13:31 PM
Fermanagh emerge with credit and put many bigger counties to shame. Galvin can point to Dublin errors and Kerry excellence to reduce hype. Mayo or Donegal will probably learn more from their quarter final by playing strong opposition.

Galvin? PLays for Kerry I think.

Dublin on a hiding to nothing today in my view. Just glad it's over and the serious business starts now. It's put up or shut up time for Dublin now. They have to produce a performance the next day.

The game had a carnival atmosphere to it. We dismantled fermanagh's defence relatively easily but conceded a very sloppy goal. Some of our key men aren't playing well either.

Kerry are well ahead of the posse at present and won't be tested till the Final again.

I think it will be a Kerry v Mayo final myself with the usual result unfortunately.

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 07:02:17 PM

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:45:45 PM
Quigley is class. That goal and aftermath shows what gaelic football has lost.

Overweight full forwards that can't run? Not sure we miss them much.

Did you see Connolly's two points today- a thoroughbred athlete with perfect skills execution.

That's modern Gaelic Football.

The Seamus Quigley's Rebels without a Cause of this world always end their careers wondering what might have been had they swopped pizza  for proper nutrition.

Why the need to belittle the fella??? Strange!!

Anyway you can't judge too much from today but it doesn't look like the Dubs have learned many lessons from last year and should they come up against a Kerry or Mayo I know who my money will be on!!

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 07:02:17 PM

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:45:45 PM
Quigley is class. That goal and aftermath shows what gaelic football has lost.

Overweight full forwards that can't run? Not sure we miss them much.

Did you see Connolly's two points today- a thoroughbred athlete with perfect skills execution.

That's modern Gaelic Football.

The Seamus Quigley's Rebels without a Cause of this world always end their careers wondering what might have been had they swopped pizza  for proper nutrition.

Will the patrons of McGowans be safe tonight?

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 07:02:17 PM

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:45:45 PM
Quigley is class. That goal and aftermath shows what gaelic football has lost.

Overweight full forwards that can't run? Not sure we miss them much.

Did you see Connolly's two points today- a thoroughbred athlete with perfect skills execution.

That's modern Gaelic Football.

The Seamus Quigley's Rebels without a Cause of this world always end their careers wondering what might have been had they swopped pizza  for proper nutrition.

Strange commentary. Sometimes it's hard to decipher when you're WUMing and when you're being serious.

Dublin 5/4
Kerry 6/4

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Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 07:02:17 PM

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:45:45 PM
Quigley is class. That goal and aftermath shows what gaelic football has lost.

Overweight full forwards that can't run? Not sure we miss them much.

Did you see Connolly's two points today- a thoroughbred athlete with perfect skills execution.

That's modern Gaelic Football.

The Seamus Quigley's Rebels without a Cause of this world always end their careers wondering what might have been had they swopped pizza  for proper nutrition.

Will the patrons of McGowans be safe tonight?

Be careful would be my advice

Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2015, 07:16:57 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 07:02:17 PM

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:45:45 PM
Quigley is class. That goal and aftermath shows what gaelic football has lost.

Overweight full forwards that can't run? Not sure we miss them much.

Did you see Connolly's two points today- a thoroughbred athlete with perfect skills execution.

That's modern Gaelic Football.

The Seamus Quigley's Rebels without a Cause of this world always end their careers wondering what might have been had they swopped pizza  for proper nutrition.

Strange commentary. Sometimes it's hard to decipher when you're WUMing and when you're being serious.

Absolutely serious. The idea that he's operating anywhere near what's he capable of by being two stone overweight is for the dreamers of this website.
He plays for Fermanagh so he can pretty much do what he likes. Put him in an elite environment and he wouldn't get on the Dublin or Kerry forward lines unless he decided to become an elite athlete. Whereby his game would improve 40 percent by getting fit and he could end up being one of the best in the country.

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
Let's be real here, kerry are streets ahead of everyone else left. Unless mayo have something up their sleeves, they are far ahead of the dubs.  Claxton best days are behind him also.

Go back two years and the hype after Mayo hammered Donegal.

It's one match. Kildare lay down.

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Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
Let's be real here, kerry are streets ahead of everyone else left. Unless mayo have something up their sleeves, they are far ahead of the dubs.  Claxton best days are behind him also.

Go back two years and the hype after Mayo hammered Donegal.

It's one match. Kildare lay down.

Go back six weeks after Donegal hammered Armagh. You are only as good as the hype after your last hammering.

Quigley is natural class, Connolly is manufactured rubbish. It's like comparing Elvis with Justin Bieber!

Quote from: under the bar on August 02, 2015, 07:52:38 PM

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Did you see Connolly's two points today- a thoroughbred athlete with perfect skills execution.

That's modern Gaelic Football.

The Seamus Quigley's Rebels without a Cause of this world always end their careers wondering what might have been had they swopped pizza  for proper nutrition.

Since you have the inside track Indiana what was the reason for Fermanagh running the Dubs ragged in  the 2nd half?   Maybe Quigley had the phone number of the team moll written on his glove? Maybe Mulrone knew about GFs intimate tattoos?? Maybe Pete McGrath whispered something to Jim Gavin about his granny???  ;D

Ran the Dubs ragged??? You must have been watching a different game than me.

Quote from: under the bar on August 02, 2015, 07:52:38 PM

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Did you see Connolly's two points today- a thoroughbred athlete with perfect skills execution.

That's modern Gaelic Football.

The Seamus Quigley's Rebels without a Cause of this world always end their careers wondering what might have been had they swopped pizza  for proper nutrition.

Since you have the inside track Indiana what was the reason for Fermanagh running the Dubs ragged in  the 2nd half?   Maybe Quigley had the phone number of the team moll written on his glove? Maybe Mulrone knew about GFs intimate tattoos?? Maybe Pete McGrath whispered something to Jim Gavin about his granny???  ;D

You lost by 8 points against a team you never remotely looked like beating. Ran ragged- I mean seriously?

The game was over after 11 minutes when Dublin went 4-1 up.

Fair play for getting there and all that and not throwing the towel in the second half.

If the game had gone on for another 10 mins Dublin could have coughed it up as they were starting to panic.   Cluxton and backs were all at sea.   Mayo or Donegal would have ripped you to shreds in the last 10 mins today.  You'd best start hoping you don't have an off day in front of goal iwhen you meet either of them or Kerry.

Quote from: under the bar on August 02, 2015, 08:25:11 PM
If the game had gone on for another 10 mins Dublin could have coughed it up as they were starting to panic.   Cluxton and backs were all at sea.   Mayo or Donegal would have ripped you to shreds in the last 10 mins today.  You'd best start hoping you don't have an off day in front of goal iwhen you meet either of them or Kerry.

Ah, I like your romantic view of things! But really that's stretching things a bit!

A key point that Pete McGrath made in his post-match interview is that for a serious chunk of the Fermanagh its their first championship campaign.

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 02, 2015, 07:37:44 PM

Quote from: J70 on August 02, 2015, 07:33:21 PM

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
Let's be real here, kerry are streets ahead of everyone else left. Unless mayo have something up their sleeves, they are far ahead of the dubs.  Claxton best days are behind him also.

Go back two years and the hype after Mayo hammered Donegal.

It's one match. Kildare lay down.

Go back six weeks after Donegal hammered Armagh. You are only as good as the hype after your last hammering.

Exactly

Another mission accomplished by Dublin with a clear-cut eight point victory. Fermanagh gave a gutsy performance but realistically they never had a snowball's chance in hell of winning. It just shows the gap that has opened up between the top teams and the rest when a team having lost a game by eight points remains on the pitch taking the plaudits of their supporters as though they had won.

What can we say about an umpire and referee who could award a "goal" the likes of which we have not seen since Joe Sheridan's travesty against Louth many years ago?

Quote from: under the bar on August 02, 2015, 08:25:11 PM
If the game had gone on for another 10 mins Dublin could have coughed it up as they were starting to panic.   Cluxton and backs were all at sea.   Mayo or Donegal would have ripped you to shreds in the last 10 mins today.  You'd best start hoping you don't have an off day in front of goal iwhen you meet either of them or Kerry.

I love dreamers. They are what keeps life interesting

Dublin actually seem to be getting poorer as the championship progresses which would be a worry as they haven't played a top team. Donegal or Mayo will be well fit for them but again both these teams have problems also. Kerry look very strong, winning an ireland for a mostly young team has brought them on a vast amount in a year. Expect it to be a Dublin v Kerry Final. Oh and Sean Quigley very good, yes needs to lose abit of weight but is a natural footballer, The brother Seamus i always maintained had the ability to be the best footballer in ireland

Poor defensive performance from Dublin,  midfield is awful currently, it's times like this I wish Pat Gilroy was at the helm.

I'd fancy Mayo or Kerry to do a number on us, I'd imagine we could squeak by Donegal but fancy the Mayo buckos to beat them.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 02, 2015, 08:54:14 PM
Dublin actually seem to be getting poorer as the championship progresses which would be a worry as they haven't played a top team. Donegal or Mayo will be well fit for them but again both these teams have problems also. Kerry look very strong, winning an ireland for a mostly young team has brought them on a vast amount in a year. Expect it to be a Dublin v Kerry Final. Oh and Sean Quigley very good, yes needs to lose abit of weight but is a natural footballer, The brother Seamus i always maintained had the ability to be the best footballer in ireland

Have to agree.  They are gonna be badly caught on the hop by one of the big hitters I reckon.  Defence was so porous at times today. 

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 02, 2015, 08:43:23 PM
It just shows the gap that has opened up between the top teams and the rest when a team having lost a game by eight points remains on the pitch taking the plaudits of their supporters as though they had won.

In fairness it showed a county with a small population applauding the efforts of what was achieved this year. At the start of the year few Fermanagh supporters would have expected promotion to division two and reaching All Ireland quarter final giving a good account of themselves against Dublin a top three side.

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 07:24:57 PM

Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2015, 07:16:57 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 07:02:17 PM

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:45:45 PM
Quigley is class. That goal and aftermath shows what gaelic football has lost.

Overweight full forwards that can't run? Not sure we miss them much.

Did you see Connolly's two points today- a thoroughbred athlete with perfect skills execution.

That's modern Gaelic Football.

The Seamus Quigley's Rebels without a Cause of this world always end their careers wondering what might have been had they swopped pizza  for proper nutrition.

Strange commentary. Sometimes it's hard to decipher when you're WUMing and when you're being serious.

Absolutely serious. The idea that he's operating anywhere near what's he capable of by being two stone overweight is for the dreamers of this website.
He plays for Fermanagh so he can pretty much do what he likes. Put him in an elite environment and he wouldn't get on the Dublin or Kerry forward lines unless he decided to become an elite athlete. Whereby his game would improve 40 percent by getting fit and he could end up being one of the best in the country.

Jimmy Keaveney didn't have the spoils the current Dublin squad have either.  #dividetheresourcesfair

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 02, 2015, 08:54:14 PM
Dublin actually seem to be getting poorer as the championship progresses which would be a worry as they haven't played a top team. Donegal or Mayo will be well fit for them but again both these teams have problems also. Kerry look very strong, winning an ireland for a mostly young team has brought them on a vast amount in a year. Expect it to be a Dublin v Kerry Final. Oh and Sean Quigley very good, yes needs to lose abit of weight but is a natural footballer, The brother Seamus i always maintained had the ability to be the best footballer in ireland

I would have Donegal, Mayo and Dublin at the same level.

Kerry are well ahead and really it's their's to lose. I think Tyrone would cause them a bit of grief but aren't good enough to beat them . But Monaghan could beat Tyrone I just don't think Monaghan are setup at all for kerry.

Kerry don't have any alarming weaknesses like the others. Donegal's problem is they getting old, Mayo have problems at the back and Dublin are coming to terms with some of their key men are on the wane.

Its been a very poor championship this year and invariably when it's a poor championship Kerry usually win it

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 02, 2015, 09:02:40 PM

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 02, 2015, 08:43:23 PM
It just shows the gap that has opened up between the top teams and the rest when a team having lost a game by eight points remains on the pitch taking the plaudits of their supporters as though they had won.

In fairness it showed a county with a small population applauding the efforts of what was achieved this year. At the start of the year few Fermanagh supporters would have expected promotion to division two and reaching All Ireland quarter final giving a good account of themselves against Dublin a top three side.

Fair play to the Fermangh buckos today, their team gave a great account of themselves and their fans lapped it up, well done to them

25-3 in fermanagh's favour the free count today.

That referee should never be allowed referee at this level again.

Out of his depth

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 07:02:17 PM

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:45:45 PM
Quigley is class. That goal and aftermath shows what gaelic football has lost.

Overweight full forwards that can't run? Not sure we miss them much.

Did you see Connolly's two points today- a thoroughbred athlete with perfect skills execution.

That's modern Gaelic Football.

The Seamus Quigley's Rebels without a Cause of this world always end their careers wondering what might have been had they swopped pizza  for proper nutrition.

Ah steady Indiana some of our coppers loving team didn't cover themselves in glory circa 2001 to 2009. Johnny Magee had an arse like the back of a bus and Shane Ryan had a ponch like Santa at one stage

Quote from: supersub on August 02, 2015, 07:21:23 PM
Dublin 5/4
Kerry 6/4

With Dublin having a much harder semifinal (on paper anyway) means Dublin would be heavy favourites if they get over their semi.

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:09:50 PM
25-3 in fermanagh's favour the free count today.

That referee should never be allowed referee at this level again.

Out of his depth

The Fermanagh backs weren't close enough to be able to foul most of the time. Contextless stats are meaningless stats.

Quote from: laoislad on August 02, 2015, 07:16:45 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 07:02:17 PM

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 06:45:45 PM
Quigley is class. That goal and aftermath shows what gaelic football has lost.

Overweight full forwards that can't run? Not sure we miss them much.

Did you see Connolly's two points today- a thoroughbred athlete with perfect skills execution.

That's modern Gaelic Football.

The Seamus Quigley's Rebels without a Cause of this world always end their careers wondering what might have been had they swopped pizza  for proper nutrition.

Will the patrons of McGowans be safe tonight?

Thought you were a lover of The George  ;)  :-* :-*

Quote from: Syferus on August 02, 2015, 09:12:10 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:09:50 PM
25-3 in fermanagh's favour the free count today.

That referee should never be allowed referee at this level again.

Out of his depth

The Fermanagh backs weren't close enough to be able to foul most of the time. Contextless stats are meaningless stats.

Have you seen some of the "frees" awarded to Fermanagh today?

Well I said in an earlier post that regardless of todays result Fermanagh are the team of this years championship and how right i am, what a performance today against all the odds, if you take indianas snide and ignorant comments about Sean Quigley as fact then every player that plays in the rugby world cup can be considered as unfit and ill prepared, the thing is Quigley after putting in a hard shift was going better than any Dublin player at the end, maybe if the dubs were given proper dinners instead of bangers and mash when they were kids they would have a bit of stamina as well, yere factory athletes well get turned over once again in the semi, maybe they should try cabbage and bacon, Cluxton was pushed over the line like a feather weight, as for Connolly an athlete? for .... sake, im outa here, wheres me old moores almanac so I can read proper bull.

Quote from: Hospital Road on August 02, 2015, 09:13:45 PM
If my county were serious contenders for the All Ireland and the defence conceded 1-7 to a pizza munching fat arse, I know what I would worry about more.

In fairness I think you'll agree that maybe the goal should not have stood.

Quote from: giveballaghback on August 02, 2015, 09:30:09 PM
Well I said in an earlier post that regardless of todays result Fermanagh are the team of this years championship and how right i am, what a performance today against all the odds, if you take indianas snide and ignorant comments about Sean Quigley as fact then every player that plays in the rugby world cup can be considered as unfit and ill prepared, the thing is Quigley after putting in a hard shift was going better than any Dublin player at the end, maybe if the dubs were given proper dinners instead of bangers and mash when they were kids they would have a bit of stamina as well, yere factory athletes well get turned over once again in the semi, maybe they should try cabbage and bacon, Cluxton was pushed over the line like a feather weight, as for Connolly an athlete? for .... sake, im outa here, wheres me old moores almanac so I can read proper bull.

Nothing snide about it at all. I'm simply bemused how someone who is quite obviously very talented , that his 2 stone overweight girth is a case for celebration by the GAA world. And then the even more ludricrous suggestion that if he got fitter he'd dis-improve. Bizarre, bizarre stuff in my opinion.
This isn't the 70's you know

Quote from: giveballaghback on August 02, 2015, 09:30:09 PM
Well I said in an earlier post that regardless of todays result Fermanagh are the team of this years championship and how right i am, what a performance today against all the odds, if you take indianas snide and ignorant comments about Sean Quigley as fact then every player that plays in the rugby world cup can be considered as unfit and ill prepared, the thing is Quigley after putting in a hard shift was going better than any Dublin player at the end, maybe if the dubs were given proper dinners instead of bangers and mash when they were kids they would have a bit of stamina as well, yere factory athletes well get turned over once again in the semi, maybe they should try cabbage and bacon, Cluxton was pushed over the line like a feather weight, as for Connolly an athlete? for .... sake, im outa here, wheres me old moores almanac so I can read proper bull.

Strong post.  Claxton 10 years ago would have bulled through Sean and maybe hit him a wee kick as well.  Either his diet has sapped his strength or he's done anyway.

#DropClux

The rest of Ireland will be thankful.

Quote from: rrhf on August 02, 2015, 09:40:03 PM

Quote from: giveballaghback on August 02, 2015, 09:30:09 PM
Well I said in an earlier post that regardless of todays result Fermanagh are the team of this years championship and how right i am, what a performance today against all the odds, if you take indianas snide and ignorant comments about Sean Quigley as fact then every player that plays in the rugby world cup can be considered as unfit and ill prepared, the thing is Quigley after putting in a hard shift was going better than any Dublin player at the end, maybe if the dubs were given proper dinners instead of bangers and mash when they were kids they would have a bit of stamina as well, yere factory athletes well get turned over once again in the semi, maybe they should try cabbage and bacon, Cluxton was pushed over the line like a feather weight, as for Connolly an athlete? for .... sake, im outa here, wheres me old moores almanac so I can read proper bull.

Strong post.  Claxton 10 years ago would have bulled through Sean and maybe hit him a wee kick as well.  Either his diet has sapped his strength or he's done anyway.

We've never had a keeper called Claxton.

Quote from: blanketattack on August 02, 2015, 09:12:02 PM

Quote from: supersub on August 02, 2015, 07:21:23 PM
Dublin 5/4
Kerry 6/4

With Dublin having a much harder semifinal (on paper anyway) means Dublin would be heavy favourites if they get over their semi.

The weight of money on Dublin means their odds will always be shorter than their "true" odds though

Quote from: macdanger2 on August 02, 2015, 09:53:21 PM

The weight of money on Dublin means their odds will always be shorter than their "true" odds though

Of course you're right - it's clear that Dublin won't even make it to the final.

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 02, 2015, 10:03:09 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on August 02, 2015, 09:53:21 PM

The weight of money on Dublin means their odds will always be shorter than their "true" odds though

Of course you're right - it's clear that Dublin won't even make it to the final.

Of course you're right - it's clear he was dismissing Dublin.

15/2 Mayo doesn't look bad value.Bound to break the hoodoo sooner or later.

Quote from: T Fearon on August 02, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
15/2 Mayo doesn't look bad value.Bound to break the hoodoo sooner or later.

I guess there was someone saying that around 1960

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 02, 2015, 10:03:09 PM

Quote from: macdanger2 on August 02, 2015, 09:53:21 PM

The weight of money on Dublin means their odds will always be shorter than their "true" odds though

Of course you're right - it's clear that Dublin won't even make it to the final.

I wasn't saying that at all!

Ordinarily speaking, you'd expect kerry to be slight favourites ahead of Dublin based on form and having a supposed easier run of it.

Since Dublin will always attract more bets however, the bookies will shorten their odds to reduce their risk. It was just a comment on how bookies operate rather than on either team's chances.

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:36:56 PM

Quote from: giveballaghback on August 02, 2015, 09:30:09 PM
Well I said in an earlier post that regardless of todays result Fermanagh are the team of this years championship and how right i am, what a performance today against all the odds, if you take indianas snide and ignorant comments about Sean Quigley as fact then every player that plays in the rugby world cup can be considered as unfit and ill prepared, the thing is Quigley after putting in a hard shift was going better than any Dublin player at the end, maybe if the dubs were given proper dinners instead of bangers and mash when they were kids they would have a bit of stamina as well, yere factory athletes well get turned over once again in the semi, maybe they should try cabbage and bacon, Cluxton was pushed over the line like a feather weight, as for Connolly an athlete? for .... sake, im outa here, wheres me old moores almanac so I can read proper bull.

Nothing snide about it at all. I'm simply bemused how someone who is quite obviously very talented , that his 2 stone overweight girth is a case for celebration by the GAA world. And then the even more ludricrous suggestion that if he got fitter he'd dis-improve. Bizarre, bizarre stuff in my opinion.
This isn't the 70's you know

I was half expecting to see Jimmy Keavney down the other end.

Dublin are a horrible team to watch. Manufactured athletes that are so far above everyone else in terms of funding and professionalism that they rarely need to show any sort of heart to get through games which they play in their back yard with their off season soccer supporters. They don't look like they particularly enjoy the game, it looks more like a case of going out and winning to keep their semi celebrity lifestyles going. Plus they all have the personality of a wet paper bag on and off the pitch. They're winning by sheer weight of numbers and $$$. Fermanagh today is what the GAA is about, something da Duubs will never experience.

Quote from: T Fearon on August 02, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
15/2 Mayo doesn't look bad value.Bound to break the hoodoo sooner or later.

Here's the problem. For Mayo to win they would have to beat 3 top4 teams in Donegal, Dublin and Kerry. Now what are the chances of that happening?

Donegal also have to beat 3 top4 teams in Mayo, Dublin and Kerry.

Dublin will have to beat 2 in Mayo/Donegal and Kerry.

And of course Kerry play only one top 4 team to win Sam. Lucky hoors. It's important to be lucky as well as good.

If Cork had beaten Kerry the first day (and they should have only for a tit of a ref) Kerry would have played Dublin today I think? That would have opened things nicely. As it is Kerry have only to worry about getting one day right in September realistically.

Quote from: Westside on August 02, 2015, 10:35:16 PM
Dublin are a horrible team to watch. Manufactured athletes that are so far above everyone else in terms of funding and professionalism that they rarely need to show any sort of heart to get through games which they play in their back yard with their off season soccer supporters. They don't look like they particularly enjoy the game, it looks more like a case of going out and winning to keep their semi celebrity lifestyles going. Plus they all have the personality of a wet paper bag on and off the pitch. They're winning by sheer weight of numbers and $$$. Fermanagh today is what the GAA is about, something da Duubs will never experience.

I spotted 47 Dublin players playing at one stage in the first half today. It did look a bit suss but I was happy to go along with it if it meant we won.

I'm looking forward to seeing Denis Bastick appear on the front cover of next week's Sunday Independent "Life" magazine with Paul Galvin, Darran O'Sullivan, James O'Donoghue and Dick Clerkin for Barry Egan's weekly "Men About Town" feature.

Michael Dara.. How in the name of God did that man get footballer of the year? He played a whole half of football today, I don't think he kicked the ball once...

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:09:50 PM
25-3 in fermanagh's favour the free count today.

That referee should never be allowed referee at this level again.

Out of his depth

I really loved the twee patronising of Fermanagh today.

It was like if a much younger fat child is allowed play football with the older, bigger boys at school to raise his self-esteem. The bigger boys go easy in the tackle on him, let him do a few nutmegs on them and deliberately crash into each other, leaving him to score a few tap-ins for goals. The teacher refereeing the match gives a free any time he loses the ball.

Jim Gavin's big grin at the end when he went over to Pete McGrath was like the teacher patting the fat kid on the head at the end and giving him a special badge to tell him he was the best player in the match.

I haven't seen such a triumph of human spirit in a sporting context since Eric The Eel. Heroic stuff.

Disappointing from the Dubs today.

In defence, I'm happy enough with O'Carroll, Cooper and McCaffrey. But McCarthy is playing well below what he's capable off, and O'Sullivan a bit below what his level should be. I've no fackin idea what Philly McMahon's role is. He's doing very well generally when on the ball, but he's regularly out of position when the opposition have the ball. I think we're wide open to concede goals from now on when we'll be playing good teams.

Fenton's doing really well at midfield, but its an unknown how he'll do against the strong midfields that the likes of Mayo, Donegal, Kerry will have. Macauley has to start alongside him.

Flynn has had a shocking year. Shooting and footpassing has been just awful and he's showing no urgency. Ironcially finished the match well today after he got a belt late on. Maybe he needs a belt earlier in the game next time! Otherwise forwards are going reasonably well. Bernard is in good form and Andrews played well. Kilkenny had a decent first half, looked to pull up with a strain of some sort in the warm up to the 2nd half, but will hopefully be ok for the semi. Diarmuid still the best player in the country in my very biased opinion.

Contrary to a lot of opinion, I'm not overly impressed with our bench.

Not confident of winning Sam any longer, but if Mayo beat Donegal, the semi v Dublin will be a super game of football, as would a final of Mayo/Dublin v Kerry.
Kerry have definitely improved on last year, so I think they'll have enough to win overall, but exciting games to come.

QuoteQuigley is natural class, Connolly is manufactured rubbish. It's like comparing Elvis with Justin Bieber!

Quigley outshone the entire creatine brigade today.  Natural skill and normal eating will always show up the artificially enhanced who live their lives on dodgy drinks supplements!

Quote from: under the bar on August 02, 2015, 10:55:12 PM

QuoteQuigley is natural class, Connolly is manufactured rubbish. It's like comparing Elvis with Justin Bieber!

Quigley outshone the entire creatine brigade today.  Natural skill and normal eating will always show up the artificially enhanced who live their lives on dodgy drinks supplements!

You call the Fat Brendan Grace's diet "normal eating"?

Quote from: Sidney on August 02, 2015, 10:54:00 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:09:50 PM
25-3 in fermanagh's favour the free count today.

That referee should never be allowed referee at this level again.

Out of his depth

I really loved the twee patronising of Fermanagh today.

It was like if a much younger fat child is allowed play football with the older, bigger boys at school to raise his self-esteem. The bigger boys go easy in the tackle on him, let him do a few nutmegs on them and deliberately crash into each other, leaving him to score a few tap-ins for goals. The teacher refereeing the match gives a free any time he loses the ball.

Jim Gavin's big grin at the end when he went over to Pete McGrath was like the teacher patting the fat kid on the head at the end and giving him a special badge to tell him he was the best player in the match.

I haven't seen such a triumph of human spirit in a sporting context since Eric The Eel. Heroic stuff.

Crow away boys. If Fermanagh had 20% of dubs funding then expectations might be different. Dubs are heads and shoulders above all other teams commercially but still not within an ass's roar of an all Ireland. Well done.

Quote from: TomFun on August 02, 2015, 11:00:29 PM

Quote from: Sidney on August 02, 2015, 10:54:00 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:09:50 PM
25-3 in fermanagh's favour the free count today.

That referee should never be allowed referee at this level again.

Out of his depth

I really loved the twee patronising of Fermanagh today.

It was like if a much younger fat child is allowed play football with the older, bigger boys at school to raise his self-esteem. The bigger boys go easy in the tackle on him, let him do a few nutmegs on them and deliberately crash into each other, leaving him to score a few tap-ins for goals. The teacher refereeing the match gives a free any time he loses the ball.

Jim Gavin's big grin at the end when he went over to Pete McGrath was like the teacher patting the fat kid on the head at the end and giving him a special badge to tell him he was the best player in the match.

I haven't seen such a triumph of human spirit in a sporting context since Eric The Eel. Heroic stuff.

Crow away boys. If Fermanagh had 20% of dubs funding then expectations might be different. Dubs are heads and shoulders above all other teams commercially but still not within an ass's roar of an all Ireland. Well done.

Ah yes - funding the crutch for all pizza eating county teams out there.

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 11:01:26 PM

Quote from: TomFun on August 02, 2015, 11:00:29 PM

Quote from: Sidney on August 02, 2015, 10:54:00 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:09:50 PM
25-3 in fermanagh's favour the free count today.

That referee should never be allowed referee at this level again.

Out of his depth

I really loved the twee patronising of Fermanagh today.

It was like if a much younger fat child is allowed play football with the older, bigger boys at school to raise his self-esteem. The bigger boys go easy in the tackle on him, let him do a few nutmegs on them and deliberately crash into each other, leaving him to score a few tap-ins for goals. The teacher refereeing the match gives a free any time he loses the ball.

Jim Gavin's big grin at the end when he went over to Pete McGrath was like the teacher patting the fat kid on the head at the end and giving him a special badge to tell him he was the best player in the match.

I haven't seen such a triumph of human spirit in a sporting context since Eric The Eel. Heroic stuff.

Crow away boys. If Fermanagh had 20% of dubs funding then expectations might be different. Dubs are heads and shoulders above all other teams commercially but still not within an ass's roar of an all Ireland. Well done.

Ah yes - funding the crutch for all pizza eating county teams out there.

Genius or kn**ker?

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 11:01:26 PM

Quote from: TomFun on August 02, 2015, 11:00:29 PM

Quote from: Sidney on August 02, 2015, 10:54:00 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:09:50 PM
25-3 in fermanagh's favour the free count today.

That referee should never be allowed referee at this level again.

Out of his depth

I really loved the twee patronising of Fermanagh today.

It was like if a much younger fat child is allowed play football with the older, bigger boys at school to raise his self-esteem. The bigger boys go easy in the tackle on him, let him do a few nutmegs on them and deliberately crash into each other, leaving him to score a few tap-ins for goals. The teacher refereeing the match gives a free any time he loses the ball.

Jim Gavin's big grin at the end when he went over to Pete McGrath was like the teacher patting the fat kid on the head at the end and giving him a special badge to tell him he was the best player in the match.

I haven't seen such a triumph of human spirit in a sporting context since Eric The Eel. Heroic stuff.

Crow away boys. If Fermanagh had 20% of dubs funding then expectations might be different. Dubs are heads and shoulders above all other teams commercially but still not within an ass's roar of an all Ireland. Well done.

Ah yes - funding the crutch for all pizza eating county teams out there.

Ah jaysus Indiana cut them a bit of slack. A small population and half that no interest in the game. About 20 clubs. Huge achievement for them to get there.

What are counties like Fermanagh supposed to do. Lie down and die?

The way scorelines are going I can see some counties regressing further because the gap is widening and for 20+ counties the effort is futile.  A waste of time and the bit of money they have and demoralising for a county.

Dublin can lose a game and most of the population wouldn t know or care. That is not the way it is in a county like Roscommon e.g.

I m not convinced that funding would overcome the imbalance but it has to be looked at. The fact that it is causing resentment is a problem in itself.

Croke Park's location a problem. Mostly less than half empty for games and hamstrung when it comes to holding concerts and stuff. Smaller/all counties could have done with a bit of money from Rugby/Soccer matches and Garth Brookes' concerts.

Disgraceful refereeing performance I have to say.
It's not his job to try and make a game of it.

Quote from: TomFun on August 02, 2015, 11:08:02 PM

Crow away boys. If Fermanagh had 20% of dubs funding then expectations might be different. Dubs are heads and shoulders above all other teams commercially but still not within an ass's roar of an all Ireland. Well done.

Another newbie of the type that we see at this time every year. I don't expect that we'll hear too much from you from now on.

QuoteQuote from: under the bar on Today at 10:55:12 PM
Quote
Quigley is natural class, Connolly is manufactured rubbish. It's like comparing Elvis with Justin Bieber!

Quigley outshone the entire creatine brigade today.  Natural skill and normal eating will always show up the artificially enhanced who live their lives on dodgy drinks supplements!
You call the Fat Brendan Grace's diet "normal eating"?

Call him what you like but he was the most skilful and talented player on the field by a mile and still has to get up for a days work in the morning while Dublin players have an appointment with their nutritionist for a bag of supplements.

Who's the newbie? 315 posts make you some sort of guru?What have you gotto say in the context of the post?

Pride well and truly restored in the Fermanagh jersey.
Stood up and never stopped.
The majority of the team is 24 or under. They will learn a lot from playing in an occasion like that. Poor decisions at times cost us,  especially in the first half.
Just need to look at what Monaghan have done from their quarter final defeat to Dublin last year.
Marty O'Brien was outstanding today.
Sean was just Sean.  An outstanding talent and someone who clearly thrived of the Dublin crowd.
Some of the comments about his weight are in poor taste here.
An ulster title is a realistic aim for us now.
They players are there and we are good enough to compete at that level.

Those refereeing stats are pretty damning. He made a game of it. Just shows the power and influence they possess.

Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2015, 11:24:35 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 11:01:26 PM

Quote from: TomFun on August 02, 2015, 11:00:29 PM

Quote from: Sidney on August 02, 2015, 10:54:00 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:09:50 PM
25-3 in fermanagh's favour the free count today.

That referee should never be allowed referee at this level again.

Out of his depth

I really loved the twee patronising of Fermanagh today.

It was like if a much younger fat child is allowed play football with the older, bigger boys at school to raise his self-esteem. The bigger boys go easy in the tackle on him, let him do a few nutmegs on them and deliberately crash into each other, leaving him to score a few tap-ins for goals. The teacher refereeing the match gives a free any time he loses the ball.

Jim Gavin's big grin at the end when he went over to Pete McGrath was like the teacher patting the fat kid on the head at the end and giving him a special badge to tell him he was the best player in the match.

I haven't seen such a triumph of human spirit in a sporting context since Eric The Eel. Heroic stuff.

Crow away boys. If Fermanagh had 20% of dubs funding then expectations might be different. Dubs are heads and shoulders above all other teams commercially but still not within an ass's roar of an all Ireland. Well done.

Ah yes - funding the crutch for all pizza eating county teams out there.

Ah jaysus Indiana cut them a bit of slack. A small population and half that no interest in the game. About 20 clubs. Huge achievement for them to get there.

What are counties like Fermanagh supposed to do. Lie down and die?

The way scorelines are going I can see some counties regressing further because the gap is widening and for 20+ counties the effort is futile.  A waste of time and the bit of money they have and demoralising for a county.

Dublin can lose a game and most of the population wouldn t know or care. That is not the way it is in a county like Roscommon e.g.

I m not convinced that funding would overcome the imbalance but it has to be looked at. The fact that it is causing resentment is a problem in itself.

Croke Park's location a problem. Mostly less than half empty for games and hamstrung when it comes to holding concerts and stuff. Smaller/all counties could have done with a bit of money from Rugby/Soccer matches and Garth Brookes' concerts.

I was lead to believe that each county got £100,000 from Croke Park for the opening up to Rugby/Soccer a few years back and it was up to them how they distributed it.  In Down, four clubs got £25,000 each but in many other counties the money was put towards Centres of Excellence.  I may be wrong on this but this is how I remember it.

Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
Disgraceful refereeing performance I have to say.
It's not his job to try and make a game of it.

You had little or nothing to say of your fellow countyman last year when he helped make a game of it down in Limerick!

McGrath has done a great with Fermanagh.  A big turnover of players since Canavan was there through retirement.

Sean Quigley and Corrigan 2 great forwards. Seamus Quigley would add to that only for poor discipline.

Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
Disgraceful refereeing performance I have to say.
It's not his job to try and make a game of it.

True. But it's even more disgraceful when a ref decides a game between 2 evenly matched teams and ultimately decides a championship. The first Kerry/Cork game this year being an example. It has completely changed the nature of the championship. It has given Kerry an easy path to a final and affected the chances of others.

Also, if the ref had seen the charge on Cluxton then he would have given a free out. That's a given. You can t give what you don t see at that distance and probably unsighted as well. There was a defender between Quigley and Cluxton.
If the ball crossed the line the green umpire should have raised the flag (white umpire clearly told him to but he hesitated - probably because he noted the foul, but not his job to make that call!). When the referee wen t in, all he could do was ask if the ball crossed the line. If he did not see a foul he could not call one in retrospect. Umpires can call off the ball stuff but not call fouls in play. And neither can linesmen. It's something that needs looking at but as things stand the ref probably did what he was supposed to do in that situation.
Ironically Cluxton had a go at the umpire that was sympathetic towards him 8)

Anyway it probably balances out the 45 Quigley should have had in first half and Dublin tacked on a handy point from kick-out. Another umpire error. I d say things were pretty frosty between ref and his umpires after today.

Quote from: under the bar on August 02, 2015, 10:55:12 PM

QuoteQuigley is natural class, Connolly is manufactured rubbish. It's like comparing Elvis with Justin Bieber!

Quigley outshone the entire creatine brigade today.  Natural skill and normal eating will always show up the artificially enhanced who live their lives on dodgy drinks supplements!

Creatine is a weight lifting supplement you neantherthal  ::)

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 02, 2015, 11:45:49 PM

Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
Disgraceful refereeing performance I have to say.
It's not his job to try and make a game of it.

You had little or nothing to say of your fellow countyman last year when he helped make a game of it down in Limerick!

Excuse me, I had plenty to say at the time.







I thought he did a great job.

Quote from: rodney trotter on August 02, 2015, 11:54:50 PM
McGrath has done a great with Fermanagh.  A big turnover of players since Canavan was there through retirement.

Sean Quigley and Corrigan 2 great forwards. Seamus Quigley would add to that only for poor discipline.

Who'd win a pizza-eating competition between Sean and Seamus?

Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2015, 11:55:01 PM

Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
Disgraceful refereeing performance I have to say.
It's not his job to try and make a game of it.

True. But it's even more disgraceful when a ref decides a game between 2 evenly matched teams and ultimately decides a championship. The first Kerry/Cork game this year being an example. It has completely changed the nature of the championship. It has given Kerry an easy path to a final and affected the chances of others.

Also, if the ref had seen the charge on Cluxton then he would have given a free out. That's a given. You can t give what you don t see at that distance and probably unsighted as well. There was a defender between Quigley and Cluxton.
If the ball crossed the line the green umpire should have raised the flag (white umpire clearly told him to but he hesitated - probably because he noted the foul, but not his job to make that call!). When the referee wen t in, all he could do was ask if the ball crossed the line. If he did not see a foul he could not call one in retrospect. Umpires can call off the ball stuff but not call fouls in play. And neither can linesmen. It's something that needs looking at but as things stand the ref probably did what he was supposed to do in that situation.
Ironically Cluxton had a go at the umpire that was sympathetic towards him 8)

Anyway it probably balances out the 45 Quigley should have had in first half and Dublin tacked on a handy point from kick-out. Another umpire error. I d say things were pretty frosty between ref and his umpires after today.

Have to agree with all of that but the game is far too big, fast and professional for amateur referees, they need more help as shown by the goal today

Quote from: Sidney on August 02, 2015, 10:54:00 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:09:50 PM
25-3 in fermanagh's favour the free count today.

That referee should never be allowed referee at this level again.

Out of his depth

I really loved the twee patronising of Fermanagh today.

It was like if a much younger fat child is allowed play football with the older, bigger boys at school to raise his self-esteem. The bigger boys go easy in the tackle on him, let him do a few nutmegs on them and deliberately crash into each other, leaving him to score a few tap-ins for goals. The teacher refereeing the match gives a free any time he loses the ball.

Jim Gavin's big grin at the end when he went over to Pete McGrath was like the teacher patting the fat kid on the head at the end and giving him a special badge to tell him he was the best player in the match.

I agree with you about Jim Gavin. A more patronising & smug git I have never seen.

Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2015, 11:58:01 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 02, 2015, 11:45:49 PM

Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
Disgraceful refereeing performance I have to say.
It's not his job to try and make a game of it.

You had little or nothing to say of your fellow countyman last year when he helped make a game of it down in Limerick!

Excuse me, I had plenty to say at the time.







I thought he did a great job.

Very good!  ;D

Quote from: BluestackBoy on August 03, 2015, 12:03:42 AM

Quote from: Sidney on August 02, 2015, 10:54:00 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:09:50 PM
25-3 in fermanagh's favour the free count today.

That referee should never be allowed referee at this level again.

Out of his depth

I really loved the twee patronising of Fermanagh today.

It was like if a much younger fat child is allowed play football with the older, bigger boys at school to raise his self-esteem. The bigger boys go easy in the tackle on him, let him do a few nutmegs on them and deliberately crash into each other, leaving him to score a few tap-ins for goals. The teacher refereeing the match gives a free any time he loses the ball.

Jim Gavin's big grin at the end when he went over to Pete McGrath was like the teacher patting the fat kid on the head at the end and giving him a special badge to tell him he was the best player in the match.

I agree with you about Jim Gavin. A more patronising & smug git I have never seen.

;D ;D Bit rich coming from the Jim mc Guinness brigade

What was Gavin suppose to do round house Pete......... ?

The boil is well and truely ticking over on this thread, sets it up nicely for the semi's

Dubs don't play now for 4 weeks. Crazy wait this time of year.

Quote from: Line Ball on August 02, 2015, 11:44:39 PM

Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2015, 11:24:35 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 11:01:26 PM

Quote from: TomFun on August 02, 2015, 11:00:29 PM

Quote from: Sidney on August 02, 2015, 10:54:00 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:09:50 PM
25-3 in fermanagh's favour the free count today.

That referee should never be allowed referee at this level again.

Out of his depth

I really loved the twee patronising of Fermanagh today.

It was like if a much younger fat child is allowed play football with the older, bigger boys at school to raise his self-esteem. The bigger boys go easy in the tackle on him, let him do a few nutmegs on them and deliberately crash into each other, leaving him to score a few tap-ins for goals. The teacher refereeing the match gives a free any time he loses the ball.

Jim Gavin's big grin at the end when he went over to Pete McGrath was like the teacher patting the fat kid on the head at the end and giving him a special badge to tell him he was the best player in the match.

I haven't seen such a triumph of human spirit in a sporting context since Eric The Eel. Heroic stuff.

Crow away boys. If Fermanagh had 20% of dubs funding then expectations might be different. Dubs are heads and shoulders above all other teams commercially but still not within an ass's roar of an all Ireland. Well done.

Ah yes - funding the crutch for all pizza eating county teams out there.

Ah jaysus Indiana cut them a bit of slack. A small population and half that no interest in the game. About 20 clubs. Huge achievement for them to get there.

What are counties like Fermanagh supposed to do. Lie down and die?

The way scorelines are going I can see some counties regressing further because the gap is widening and for 20+ counties the effort is futile.  A waste of time and the bit of money they have and demoralising for a county.

Dublin can lose a game and most of the population wouldn t know or care. That is not the way it is in a county like Roscommon e.g.

I m not convinced that funding would overcome the imbalance but it has to be looked at. The fact that it is causing resentment is a problem in itself.

Croke Park's location a problem. Mostly less than half empty for games and hamstrung when it comes to holding concerts and stuff. Smaller/all counties could have done with a bit of money from Rugby/Soccer matches and Garth Brookes' concerts.

I was lead to believe that each county got £100,000 from Croke Park for the opening up to Rugby/Soccer a few years back and it was up to them how they distributed it.  In Down, four clubs got £25,000 each but in many other counties the money was put towards Centres of Excellence.  I may be wrong on this but this is how I remember it.

That kind of money is needed all the time - not just a once off.

I remember Garth Brookes gig going belly up last year. I don t care much for Brookes but all I could see was easy money going down the Swanee. Money that's badly needed. Clubs running lottos and forced to sell board tickets. Begging bowl stuff really. I get knocks on the door from lads from 4 clubs each year as well as from my own club. I do my best for them but I resent that heap can t be making a few bob. Also cat that Donegal and Sligo had to be dragged up there to play yesterday. A town like Castlebar would appreciate a game like that and the bleddy suits in CP need to cop themselves on.

Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 03, 2015, 12:12:31 AM
Dubs don't play now for 4 weeks. Crazy wait this time of year.

Was hoping it was 3, fancy the Mayo buckos to make the final at our expense

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Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:09:50 PM
25-3 in fermanagh's favour the free count today.

That referee should never be allowed referee at this level again.

Out of his depth

I really loved the twee patronising of Fermanagh today.

It was like if a much younger fat child is allowed play football with the older, bigger boys at school to raise his self-esteem. The bigger boys go easy in the tackle on him, let him do a few nutmegs on them and deliberately crash into each other, leaving him to score a few tap-ins for goals. The teacher refereeing the match gives a free any time he loses the ball.

Jim Gavin's big grin at the end when he went over to Pete McGrath was like the teacher patting the fat kid on the head at the end and giving him a special badge to tell him he was the best player in the match.

I agree with you about Jim Gavin. A more patronising & smug git I have never seen.

;D ;D Bit rich coming from the Jim mc Guinness brigade

What was Gavin suppose to do round house Pete......... ?

The boil is well and truely ticking over on this thread, sets it up nicely for the semi's

You re clearly expecting to meet Donegal so - you could well be right.

The boil though? Is that bile maybe? I m more hoping Boyle will be ticking over well for the semi :)

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Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
Disgraceful refereeing performance I have to say.
It's not his job to try and make a game of it.

True. But it's even more disgraceful when a ref decides a game between 2 evenly matched teams and ultimately decides a championship. The first Kerry/Cork game this year being an example. It has completely changed the nature of the championship. It has given Kerry an easy path to a final and affected the chances of others.

Also, if the ref had seen the charge on Cluxton then he would have given a free out. That's a given. You can t give what you don t see at that distance and probably unsighted as well. There was a defender between Quigley and Cluxton.
If the ball crossed the line the green umpire should have raised the flag (white umpire clearly told him to but he hesitated - probably because he noted the foul, but not his job to make that call!). When the referee wen t in, all he could do was ask if the ball crossed the line. If he did not see a foul he could not call one in retrospect. Umpires can call off the ball stuff but not call fouls in play. And neither can linesmen. It's something that needs looking at but as things stand the ref probably did what he was supposed to do in that situation.
Ironically Cluxton had a go at the umpire that was sympathetic towards him 8)

Anyway it probably balances out the 45 Quigley should have had in first half and Dublin tacked on a handy point from kick-out. Another umpire error. I d say things were pretty frosty between ref and his umpires after today.

Have to agree with all of that but the game is far too big, fast and professional for amateur referees, they need more help as shown by the goal today

Exactly but under the current system the ref did damn all wrong in that match. The free stats are a bit misleading (I agree with Sy on that). Dublin move the ball well and weren t taking much flak. You couldn t say that Dublin should have been awarded more frees?
On the other hand Fermanagh were running into traffic more. Y'know smaller men mostly as well. The ref made those calls individually I d say without any agenda. My impression of the game as a whole though was that it was a very gentlemanly affair. Everybody knew what was expected of them an only one or two lost their temper.

Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 03, 2015, 12:12:31 AM
Dubs don't play now for 4 weeks. Crazy wait this time of year.

It's strange how the Dubs have a four week wait now, but the winners of Monaghan/Tyrone are out 2 weeks later in their semi.

Maybe it's a knock-on effect of the A and B qualifier layout, but I'd have thought it could be better organised.

Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2015, 11:55:01 PM

Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
Disgraceful refereeing performance I have to say.
It's not his job to try and make a game of it.

True. But it's even more disgraceful when a ref decides a game between 2 evenly matched teams and ultimately decides a championship. The first Kerry/Cork game this year being an example. It has completely changed the nature of the championship. It has given Kerry an easy path to a final and affected the chances of others.

Wrong on both counts. it is said the more you repeat things you will eventually become to believe in what you say. Regarding the replay in Limerick, Mayo got a least the same amount of dubious decisions that day. The free at the end of normal time to win it being just one. It should have been a free out to David Moran. Mayo were destroyed in the middle third, it should never have gone to extra time.

Regarding the Cork game. take another look. Granted the penalty was a mistake but that is about the only decision Kerry got. Nine steps by Collins before Cork's first goal, two phantom first half tap over frees supposedly committed on Hurley, Donnacha O'Connors given a point at the end of the first half when it was clearly wide, another tap over "free" after the Kerry penalty. Wrong decisions against Stephen O'Brien in the first half and Paul Geaney should have gotten a penalty instead of the 45. Media propaganda ( especially Brolly, Carr and McStay) is some tool along with the ABK agenda.

Quote from: Seamus on August 03, 2015, 01:03:02 AM

Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2015, 11:55:01 PM

Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
Disgraceful refereeing performance I have to say.
It's not his job to try and make a game of it.

True. But it's even more disgraceful when a ref decides a game between 2 evenly matched teams and ultimately decides a championship. The first Kerry/Cork game this year being an example. It has completely changed the nature of the championship. It has given Kerry an easy path to a final and affected the chances of others.

Wrong on both counts. it is said the more you repeat things you will eventually become to believe in what you say. Regarding the replay in Limerick, Mayo got a least the same amount of dubious decisions that day. The free at the end of normal time to win it being just one. It should have been a free out to David Moran. Mayo were destroyed in the middle third, it should never have gone to extra time.

Regarding the Cork game. take another look. Granted the penalty was a mistake but that is about the only decision Kerry got. Nine steps by Collins before Cork's first goal, two phantom first half tap over frees supposedly committed on Hurley, Donnacha O'Connors given a point at the end of the first half when it was clearly wide, another tap over "free" after the Kerry penalty. Wrong decisions against Stephen O'Brien in the first half and Paul Geaney should have gotten a penalty instead of the 45. Media propaganda ( especially Brolly, Carr and McStay) is some tool along with the ABK agenda.

Nonsense. There are decisions and there are decisions. O Reilly decided the game in Limerick period. Accept that and go and cherish the win and don't  go spinning it afterwards. Ye controlled the middle for a good bit alright but so what? If Mayo won every game we controlled midfield  we d be laughing. Ye were helped as well by AOS being concussed for most of the game and the usual silliness by our sideline. As well as the obvious missed sending off there is no way that Donnacha Walsh should have finished either semi final. Maybe it's because of his choir-boy appearance, but he got away with some nasty stuff. The p***k also did a biteen of a war dance to get Keegan sent off in the first game - and as usual a Meath ref will readily screw us.

Look Seamus, enjoy your AIs.   

Quote from: under the bar on August 02, 2015, 08:25:11 PM
If the game had gone on for another 10 mins Dublin could have coughed it up as they were starting to panic.   Cluxton and backs were all at sea.   Mayo or Donegal would have ripped you to shreds in the last 10 mins today.  You'd best start hoping you don't have an off day in front of goal iwhen you meet either of them or Kerry.

Ahhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahahaha.....!!!!!

Quote from: giveballaghback on August 02, 2015, 09:30:09 PM
Well I said in an earlier post that regardless of todays result Fermanagh are the team of this years championship and how right i am, what a performance today against all the odds, if you take indianas snide and ignorant comments about Sean Quigley as fact then every player that plays in the rugby world cup can be considered as unfit and ill prepared, the thing is Quigley after putting in a hard shift was going better than any Dublin player at the end, maybe if the dubs were given proper dinners instead of bangers and mash when they were kids they would have a bit of stamina as well, yere factory athletes well get turned over once again in the semi, maybe they should try cabbage and bacon, Cluxton was pushed over the line like a feather weight, as for Connolly an athlete? for .... sake, im outa here, wheres me old moores almanac so I can read proper bull.

McGrath is in line for manager of the year, there's still a lot of life left in the old fox.
Fermanagh were inspirational today. When the game was  lost  for other bigger teams in this year's championship, they bent over without a whimper, but not Fermanagh.
I think it would have been a closer game had they chosen to play with the wind in the first half, I couldn't make sense out of that decision.

F*ck it I really enjoyed that game today. Credit to both teams for that.

I know we might be next up for the chop, but as a neutral this game had everything considering it was expected to be an annihilation.

Fair play to Fermanagh for fighting the good fight. It is fantastic to see a huge underdoog refuse to sit, when told, and park no buses. Quigley being booed by the Hill was fantastic. Yes the referee was a muppet, aren't they all these days, but it added a wonderfull villlian to the expected coronation.

Hound had a good analysis of the game earlier but I wuld have two major points of disagreement. Firstly while Diarmuid Connellly had a couple of his Ciaran McDonald moments, and when he does them they are awe inspiring, but I am amazed that he is used as a stick to beat Paul Flynn. If there is one player I could buy for Mayo it would be Flynn. I don't care where you play him. When Fermanagh got the dodgy goal who else but Paul Flyan to convert the sense of injustice into 3 points without falling into the usual trap of using an elbow etc. I thought he popped up everywhere as usual and retained the ball as usual.

To me he his Galvin/Dooher Mk 3.0.

They might have started it, but Jebus he does it all, everywhere, at all, and particularly the important times.

Now roll on a Dub/Mo semi!!!!!

Quote from: moysider on August 03, 2015, 01:20:03 AM

Quote from: Seamus on August 03, 2015, 01:03:02 AM

Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2015, 11:55:01 PM

Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
Disgraceful refereeing performance I have to say.
It's not his job to try and make a game of it.

True. But it's even more disgraceful when a ref decides a game between 2 evenly matched teams and ultimately decides a championship. The first Kerry/Cork game this year being an example. It has completely changed the nature of the championship. It has given Kerry an easy path to a final and affected the chances of others.

Wrong on both counts. it is said the more you repeat things you will eventually become to believe in what you say. Regarding the replay in Limerick, Mayo got a least the same amount of dubious decisions that day. The free at the end of normal time to win it being just one. It should have been a free out to David Moran. Mayo were destroyed in the middle third, it should never have gone to extra time.

Regarding the Cork game. take another look. Granted the penalty was a mistake but that is about the only decision Kerry got. Nine steps by Collins before Cork's first goal, two phantom first half tap over frees supposedly committed on Hurley, Donnacha O'Connors given a point at the end of the first half when it was clearly wide, another tap over "free" after the Kerry penalty. Wrong decisions against Stephen O'Brien in the first half and Paul Geaney should have gotten a penalty instead of the 45. Media propaganda ( especially Brolly, Carr and McStay) is some tool along with the ABK agenda.

Nonsense. There are decisions and there are decisions. O Reilly decided the game in Limerick period. Accept that and go and cherish the win and don't  go spinning it afterwards. Ye controlled the middle for a good bit alright but so what? If Mayo won every game we controlled midfield  we d be laughing. Ye were helped as well by AOS being concussed for most of the game and the usual silliness by our sideline. As well as the obvious missed sending off there is no way that Donnacha Walsh should have finished either semi final. Maybe it's because of his choir-boy appearance, but he got away with some nasty stuff. The p***k also did a biteen of a war dance to get Keegan sent off in the first game - and as usual a Meath ref will readily screw us.

Look Seamus, enjoy your AIs.

Thanks Moy but I'll have you know I enjoy every All Ireland as if's it the first. Everyone is biased toward their teams including people from non-participating counties that choose which team they prefer to win a certain game. Very few outsiders ever support the likes of Kerry or Kilkenny unless they have a connection to the counties or have money on the line, hence a general distorted view of the game is very common. The outsiders back up the distorted views, in this case of the Mayo supporters and add fuel to their fire. They falsely believe they are backed up by the opinion of a "neutral" thus a terrible wrong must have being committed. The recent Cork/Kerry drawn game is one of the best case in point. Uproar in the media and on this forum amongst other places on how badly Cork were wronged. A proper study of the game would prove otherwise.

I understand the continuous disappointments of the Mayo team and supporters and I genuinely feel for them but the sooner they realize that those defeats were totally their own doing the sooner they will go on and win an All Ireland. It's not the thinker's curse that is the problem, it's the never ending whining. Move on, ye have a great team, end the excuses.   

Cormac O'Rielly is a poor referee. That is not an opinion but a statement of fact. Meta-talk about neutrals not liking Kerry doesn't change that fact.

I genuinely don't think Dublin will beat Donegal.

I don't believe we've learned enough from the corresponding fixture last year.

Fermanagh did Ulster proud against the dubs and I'm not surprised. The Ulster championship is a dogged one unlike Leinster so we knew they wouldn't lie down. Take note westmeath, Kildare, meath and all

Invitations to join the ulster championship for teams looking to toughen up next year now open.

Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
Disgraceful refereeing performance I have to say.
It's not his job to try and make a game of it.

+1

Quigley was still motoring well towards the end, one of his final points was a cracking run by 3 or 4 Dublin defenders before he cut in and popped it over.  I was watching yesterday and was thinking how they could do with his brother there, considering he is the more talented.  A County as small as Fermanagh needs everyone on board.

As for Flynn, there was only one Brian Dooher.  Nobody has came close to the hoover since he retired.

Quote from: nrico2006 on August 03, 2015, 09:09:03 AM
As for Flynn, there was only one Brian Dooher.  Nobody has came close to the hoover since he retired.

Ah I remember when I used to be into nostalgia....good times.

I have to agree about Flynn.  He, in my opinion, is the metronome that runs the Dublin team.  Connolly, Brogan etc are all excellent players but Flynn is the real deal and the one player that I would take from them over the rest.  He does the simple things right but has a heart of a lion and fantastic drive and workrate. 

The reality is that Dublin were never losing this game but they were exposed.  Cluxton is not as infallible as he once was.  The FB line are there for the taking as the HB line provide little protection at times.  The MF is just OK and would not compete against Moran and Maher for instance.  The forwards are brilliant if they are fed the ball and outside of Kerry are the most complete forward unit. 

I fancy Donegal to stifle Mayo next week.  It will be interesting to see how Dublin match up against Donegal this time round.  Murphy is coming into a bit of form and McBrearty and McFadden can be very dangerous.  If Lacey is fit then Donegal will be hard beaten.

Decent result, At least Fermanagh didn't role over like so many other teams in the country when faced by the Big Bad Dubs, they played with heart and passion and their fans were magnificent right till the very end.

I read somewhere the free count was 25-3 in Fermanagh's favour is that correct? Says it all if the case.

Few errors yesterday by the Dubs but having some of the best players in the country help you get over the line on days like today.

As for all the Dub haters spouting viral verbal diarrhea, please continue to do so as it makes it all the sweater when we win and makes us all have Jim Gavin syndrome which makes all smirk for a few days.

As for the guy who said that Dublin are not the real GAA and not real community etc wake up, come down to Vincent's or Ballybodden or any other club and Dublin and say that, a real sense of community with all clubs here, great rivalries, go down to Clontarf on a Saturday morning to see Jack McCaffery train kids or Duirmuid Connolly doing the same in Vincent's  for the summer camps, and no media present in case some smart arse says it.

Well done Fermanagh ye have given us smaller counties great hope. As a Sligo supporter I sat and watched us not even compete against Tyrone (despite the positive spin by Carew!) and then 24hrs later I witness Fermanagh show balls and grit to at least compete and not give up. Credit to the, for that. Pete McGrath has to take serious credit

Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 03, 2015, 09:49:04 AM
Decent result, At least Fermanagh didn't role over like so many other teams in the country when faced by the Big Bad Dubs, they played with heart and passion and their fans were magnificent right till the very end.

I read somewhere the free count was 25-3 in Fermanagh's favour is that correct? Says it all if the case.

Few errors yesterday by the Dubs but having some of the best players in the country help you get over the line on days like today.

As for all the Dub haters spouting viral verbal diarrhea, please continue to do so as it makes it all the sweater when we win and makes us all have Jim Gavin syndrome which makes all smirk for a few days.

As for the guy who said that Dublin are not the real GAA and not real community etc wake up, come down to Vincent's or Ballybodden or any other club and Dublin and say that, a real sense of community with all clubs here, great rivalries, go down to Clontarf on a Saturday morning to see Jack McCaffery train kids or Duirmuid Connolly doing the same in Vincent's  for the summer camps, and no media present in case some smart arse says it.

Its more a case of certain Dubs on here spouting poop that has many non Dubs enjoying their speed wobbles. There's nerves now being in the group of 3 with Mayo and Donegal with possibly Kerry waiting in the final. With the kinda money being talked about , only Dublin winning Sam every year could be seen as being anywhere near value for money. The mits are starting to sweat !

Quote from: rrhf on August 03, 2015, 08:08:21 AM
Invitations to join the ulster championship for teams looking to toughen up next year now open.

The Ulster Championship did not do much to toughen up Cavan, Derry, Down, Armagh this season! All beaten by the might of Roscommon, Wexford and Galway! I think we'll stay where we are!  But you go ahead and believe the hype!

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Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 03, 2015, 09:49:04 AM
Decent result, At least Fermanagh didn't role over like so many other teams in the country when faced by the Big Bad Dubs, they played with heart and passion and their fans were magnificent right till the very end.

I read somewhere the free count was 25-3 in Fermanagh's favour is that correct? Says it all if the case.

Few errors yesterday by the Dubs but having some of the best players in the country help you get over the line on days like today.

As for all the Dub haters spouting viral verbal diarrhea, please continue to do so as it makes it all the sweater when we win and makes us all have Jim Gavin syndrome which makes all smirk for a few days.

As for the guy who said that Dublin are not the real GAA and not real community etc wake up, come down to Vincent's or Ballybodden or any other club and Dublin and say that, a real sense of community with all clubs here, great rivalries, go down to Clontarf on a Saturday morning to see Jack McCaffery train kids or Duirmuid Connolly doing the same in Vincent's  for the summer camps, and no media present in case some smart arse says it.

Its more a case of certain Dubs on here spouting poop that has many non Dubs enjoying their speed wobbles. There's nerves now being in the group of 3 with Mayo and Donegal with possibly Kerry waiting in the final. With the kinda money being talked about , only Dublin winning Sam every year could be seen as being anywhere near value for money. The mits are starting to sweat !

There is talk over the Dubs forum that some think that this team is actually in decline and that if we don't win it this year it could be a long time before we do, as in decline not age but tactically and managerially etc. Some players too. Not sure Dublin can get past Donegal/Mayo, would actually prefer to play Donegal.

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 03, 2015, 10:24:57 AM

Quote from: rrhf on August 03, 2015, 08:08:21 AM
Invitations to join the ulster championship for teams looking to toughen up next year now open.

The Ulster Championship did not do much to toughen up Cavan, Derry, Down, Armagh this season! All beaten by the might of Roscommon, Wexford and Galway! I think we'll stay where we are!  But you go ahead and believe the hype!

Ironically though all beaten by Ulster teams in the end, Derry, Fermanagh, Donegal

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Quote from: Jinxy on August 02, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
Disgraceful refereeing performance I have to say.
It's not his job to try and make a game of it.

+1

He shouldn't be let referee an IC game again, he was a disgrace.

Dubs rightly outsiders for the AI now

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:36:56 PM

Quote from: giveballaghback on August 02, 2015, 09:30:09 PM
Well I said in an earlier post that regardless of todays result Fermanagh are the team of this years championship and how right i am, what a performance today against all the odds, if you take indianas snide and ignorant comments about Sean Quigley as fact then every player that plays in the rugby world cup can be considered as unfit and ill prepared, the thing is Quigley after putting in a hard shift was going better than any Dublin player at the end, maybe if the dubs were given proper dinners instead of bangers and mash when they were kids they would have a bit of stamina as well, yere factory athletes well get turned over once again in the semi, maybe they should try cabbage and bacon, Cluxton was pushed over the line like a feather weight, as for Connolly an athlete? for .... sake, im outa here, wheres me old moores almanac so I can read proper bull.

Nothing snide about it at all. I'm simply bemused how someone who is quite obviously very talented , that his 2 stone overweight girth is a case for celebration by the GAA world. And then the even more ludricrous suggestion that if he got fitter he'd dis-improve. Bizarre, bizarre stuff in my opinion.
This isn't the 70's you know

Lol he top scored yesterday you f**king moron. 1-8. (You were probably sat in the bar watching some Re-run on Mutv)

The guy is 22, built like the m1 with two hard shoulders and you're on here mouthing when in reality he had a bit of a field day yesterday.

What seems to have gotten totally missed is how bad of a goal the second goal Dublin conceded was.

You'd imagine it has kiboshed any notion of Cluxton picking up an All-Star this year and has probably done a bit of damage to a couple of Dublin defenders odds given how slack the marking was.

Lame wind-ups about certain counties not being proper GAA counties, supporters watching MUTV and the obvious weight problems of problems of certain players.

People taking the bait and giving offended replies to lame wind ups.

Supporters of teams claiming they're now outsiders in an attempt to influence the result of future matches.

I love the INTERNET.

Quote from: heffo on August 03, 2015, 11:19:16 AM

Dubs rightly outsiders for the AI now

Dublin are still favourites, mate.

Quote from: twohands!!! on August 03, 2015, 12:21:30 PM
What seems to have gotten totally missed is how bad of a goal the second goal Dublin conceded was.

You'd imagine it has kiboshed any notion of Cluxton picking up an All-Star this year and has probably done a bit of damage to a couple of Dublin defenders odds given how slack the marking was.

Paul Durcan won an All Star last year despite his deft pass to Kieran Donaghy to hand Kerry the All Ireland title.

Quoteif you take indianas snide and ignorant comments about Sean Quigley as fact then every player that plays in the rugby world cup can be considered as unfit and ill prepared,

Indiana's comments also blows quite a hole his claims to have played at the highest level winning AI medals etc as the stuff of a fantasist.  You could just imagine Ray Cosgrove comming on here making such comments about another county forward who top scores in a championship match against the Dubs.  Not!!

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 03, 2015, 12:31:30 PM

Quote from: twohands!!! on August 03, 2015, 12:21:30 PM
What seems to have gotten totally missed is how bad of a goal the second goal Dublin conceded was.

You'd imagine it has kiboshed any notion of Cluxton picking up an All-Star this year and has probably done a bit of damage to a couple of Dublin defenders odds given how slack the marking was.

Paul Durcan won an All Star last year despite his deft pass to Kieran Donaghy to hand Kerry the All Ireland title.

Do you honestly think Cluxton is likely to pick up an All-Star still?

Quote from: general_lee on August 03, 2015, 12:16:38 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 02, 2015, 09:36:56 PM

Quote from: giveballaghback on August 02, 2015, 09:30:09 PM
Well I said in an earlier post that regardless of todays result Fermanagh are the team of this years championship and how right i am, what a performance today against all the odds, if you take indianas snide and ignorant comments about Sean Quigley as fact then every player that plays in the rugby world cup can be considered as unfit and ill prepared, the thing is Quigley after putting in a hard shift was going better than any Dublin player at the end, maybe if the dubs were given proper dinners instead of bangers and mash when they were kids they would have a bit of stamina as well, yere factory athletes well get turned over once again in the semi, maybe they should try cabbage and bacon, Cluxton was pushed over the line like a feather weight, as for Connolly an athlete? for .... sake, im outa here, wheres me old moores almanac so I can read proper bull.

Nothing snide about it at all. I'm simply bemused how someone who is quite obviously very talented , that his 2 stone overweight girth is a case for celebration by the GAA world. And then the even more ludricrous suggestion that if he got fitter he'd dis-improve. Bizarre, bizarre stuff in my opinion.
This isn't the 70's you know

Lol he top scored yesterday you f**king moron. 1-8. (You were probably sat in the bar watching some Re-run on Mutv)

The guy is 22, built like the m1 with two hard shoulders and you're on here mouthing when in reality he had a bit of a field day yesterday.

He took the dub fullback line to the cleaners on pure ability. Performance of the year.  I'd love to see seamy back next year.  Fermanagh are a talented team and need to push up to division 1 and stay there but they are capable of following the monaghan lead.  Imagine the dubs give over some of their purse for a nutrition guy in the interests of good sport. Yesterday he roasted them.  But he's been great this season and could nab the full forward all star if that dub team won the all Ireland.

Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 03, 2015, 10:36:34 AM

There is talk over the Dubs forum that some think that this team is actually in decline and that if we don't win it this year it could be a long time before we do, as in decline not age but tactically and managerially etc. Some players too. Not sure Dublin can get past Donegal/Mayo, would actually prefer to play Donegal.

Last year Dublin were going to win five in a row.

Now they're not going to win it at all for five decades in a row.

Quote from: Sidney on August 03, 2015, 12:49:05 PM

Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 03, 2015, 10:36:34 AM

There is talk over the Dubs forum that some think that this team is actually in decline and that if we don't win it this year it could be a long time before we do, as in decline not age but tactically and managerially etc. Some players too. Not sure Dublin can get past Donegal/Mayo, would actually prefer to play Donegal.

Last year Dublin were going to win five in a row.

Now they're not going to win it at all for five decades in a row.

Yeah that came from the pundits and outside Dublin media. We are more realistic up in Dublin and people who know Dublin GAA are more cautious with that sort of speak, to me and to a lot of others its between Kerry and Mayo. I think Mayo will get to the final.

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He took the dub fullback line to the cleaners on pure ability. Performance of the year.  I'd love to see seamy back next year.  Fermanagh are a talented team and need to push up to division 1 and stay there but they are capable of following the monaghan lead.  Imagine the dubs give over some of their purse for a nutrition guy in the interests of good sport. Yesterday he roasted them.  But he's been great this season and could nab the full forward all star if that dub team won the all Ireland.

I predict that Pete McGrath goes back to Down, Fermanagh get some county board stooge in to replace him, the Quigleys go on strike and are hospitalised after a massive pizza bender, and Fermanagh get beaten by 20 points by Leitrim in the first round of the qualifiers next year.

What's the craic with Seamas Quigley? Is he ever going back to play for Fermanagh? Is he playing with his club? The man is a serious talent.

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There is talk over the Dubs forum that some think that this team is actually in decline and that if we don't win it this year it could be a long time before we do, as in decline not age but tactically and managerially etc. Some players too. Not sure Dublin can get past Donegal/Mayo, would actually prefer to play Donegal.

Last year Dublin were going to win five in a row.

Now they're not going to win it at all for five decades in a row.

Yeah that came from the pundits and outside Dublin media. We are more realistic up in Dublin and people who know Dublin GAA are more cautious with that sort of speak, to me and to a lot of others its between Kerry and Mayo. I think Mayo will get to the final.

It's alright mate, what you say here won't affect the result of the remaining matches in this year's championship so there's no need to play the poor mouth.

Five of the remaining 6 teams would have bate the dubs yesterday.

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Five of the remaining 6 teams would have bate the dubs yesterday.

But they won't when they play them.

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What seems to have gotten totally missed is how bad of a goal the second goal Dublin conceded was.

You'd imagine it has kiboshed any notion of Cluxton picking up an All-Star this year and has probably done a bit of damage to a couple of Dublin defenders odds given how slack the marking was.

Paul Durcan won an All Star last year despite his deft pass to Kieran Donaghy to hand Kerry the All Ireland title.

Do you honestly think Cluxton is likely to pick up an All-Star still?

Stephen has every chance of picking up an All-Star award. There is no other intercounty goal keeper who contributes more to the overall performance of his team than does Stephen Cluxton.

Quote from: rrhf on August 03, 2015, 01:29:03 PM
Five of the remaining 6 teams would have bate the dubs yesterday.

Tyrone wouldn't have!!!

Hold that thought!

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Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 03, 2015, 10:36:34 AM

There is talk over the Dubs forum that some think that this team is actually in decline and that if we don't win it this year it could be a long time before we do, as in decline not age but tactically and managerially etc. Some players too. Not sure Dublin can get past Donegal/Mayo, would actually prefer to play Donegal.

Last year Dublin were going to win five in a row.

Now they're not going to win it at all for five decades in a row.

Yeah that came from the pundits and outside Dublin media. We are more realistic up in Dublin and people who know Dublin GAA are more cautious with that sort of speak, to me and to a lot of others its between Kerry and Mayo. I think Mayo will get to the final.

+1

If not Dublin Ill be routing for the Mayo bucks

Aristocrat is spot on most grounded Dublin Gaa fans feet are firmly on the ground and know are our team aren't all that they are talked up to be by country media/folk

Cant wait to cast an eye on the shite Darragh OSe pens this week in the times  ::)

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Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 03, 2015, 10:36:34 AM

There is talk over the Dubs forum that some think that this team is actually in decline and that if we don't win it this year it could be a long time before we do, as in decline not age but tactically and managerially etc. Some players too. Not sure Dublin can get past Donegal/Mayo, would actually prefer to play Donegal.

Last year Dublin were going to win five in a row.

Now they're not going to win it at all for five decades in a row.

Yeah that came from the pundits and outside Dublin media. We are more realistic up in Dublin and people who know Dublin GAA are more cautious with that sort of speak, to me and to a lot of others its between Kerry and Mayo. I think Mayo will get to the final.

+1

If not Dublin Ill be routing for the Mayo bucks

Aristocrat is spot on most grounded Dublin Gaa fans feet are firmly on the ground and know are our team aren't all that they are talked up to be by country media/folk

Cant wait to cast an eye on the shite Darragh OSe pens this week in the times  ::)

Even a Dublin supporter with their feet on the ground can see they've the best panel panel in the country by a good margin. And anyone that thinks they're not at the top of the AI conversation (much less not in it) is doing their best stereotypical Kerryman impression.

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Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 03, 2015, 10:36:34 AM

There is talk over the Dubs forum that some think that this team is actually in decline and that if we don't win it this year it could be a long time before we do, as in decline not age but tactically and managerially etc. Some players too. Not sure Dublin can get past Donegal/Mayo, would actually prefer to play Donegal.

Last year Dublin were going to win five in a row.

Now they're not going to win it at all for five decades in a row.

Yeah that came from the pundits and outside Dublin media. We are more realistic up in Dublin and people who know Dublin GAA are more cautious with that sort of speak, to me and to a lot of others its between Kerry and Mayo. I think Mayo will get to the final.

+1

If not Dublin Ill be routing for the Mayo bucks

Aristocrat is spot on most grounded Dublin Gaa fans feet are firmly on the ground and know are our team aren't all that they are talked up to be by country media/folk

Cant wait to cast an eye on the shite Darragh OSe pens this week in the times  ::)

Even a Dublin supporter with their feet on the ground can see they've the best panel panel in the country by a good margin. And anyone that thinks they're not at the top of the AI conversation (much less not in it) is doing their best stereotypical Kerryman impression.

Kerry substitutions yesterday. BJ Keane,D O'Sullivan, P Crowley,P Galvin,J Buckley,T Walsh and K Donaghy not used. All would arguably be starters on the Monaghan,Tyrone,Donegal,Mayo teams.

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Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 03, 2015, 12:55:32 PM

Quote from: Sidney on August 03, 2015, 12:49:05 PM

Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 03, 2015, 10:36:34 AM

There is talk over the Dubs forum that some think that this team is actually in decline and that if we don't win it this year it could be a long time before we do, as in decline not age but tactically and managerially etc. Some players too. Not sure Dublin can get past Donegal/Mayo, would actually prefer to play Donegal.

Last year Dublin were going to win five in a row.

Now they're not going to win it at all for five decades in a row.

Yeah that came from the pundits and outside Dublin media. We are more realistic up in Dublin and people who know Dublin GAA are more cautious with that sort of speak, to me and to a lot of others its between Kerry and Mayo. I think Mayo will get to the final.

+1

If not Dublin Ill be routing for the Mayo bucks

Aristocrat is spot on most grounded Dublin Gaa fans feet are firmly on the ground and know are our team aren't all that they are talked up to be by country media/folk

Cant wait to cast an eye on the shite Darragh OSe pens this week in the times  ::)

Even a Dublin supporter with their feet on the ground can see they've the best panel panel in the country by a good margin. And anyone that thinks they're not at the top of the AI conversation (much less not in it) is doing their best stereotypical Kerryman impression.

Kerry substitutions yesterday. BJ Keane,D O'Sullivan, P Crowley,P Galvin,J Buckley,T Walsh and K Donaghy not used. All would arguably be starters on the Monaghan,Tyrone,Donegal,Mayo teams.

Most of them wouldn't be starting for Donegal or Mayo. Few of them at positions where either have needs or are any better that the current starters.

Dublin struggle against a very movitated and talented Fermanagh outfit and suddenly they are struggling!

Bollocks to that, Dublin were looking past Fermanagh just like we did back in the day, I hope they push on and finally win that Ulster, shit, this might well inspire them to win Sam in a few years, not many teams could make Dublin struggle like that and I am delighted for the Fermanagh men.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 03, 2015, 04:58:47 PM

Kerry substitutions yesterday. BJ Keane,D O'Sullivan, P Crowley,P Galvin,J Buckley,T Walsh and K Donaghy not used. All would arguably be starters on the Monaghan,Tyrone,Donegal,Mayo teams.

Defensively not many options there? Not as great a selection as it sounds, many of those players there have been hounded by injury and loss of form. BJ Keane is a sunshine player. Not sure where Paul Galvin is at? He was struggling 2 years ago as a 33 year old. Not saying they are completely useless (far from it)., They all are handy just are mixed bag of what they have to offer. The TV cameras spent most of time yesterday looking at both Kerry and Dublin substitute benches. Got a bit tedious after a while.

Quote from: rrhf on August 03, 2015, 03:28:36 PM
Hold that thought!

The only reason you would beat Monaghan is they have some kind of mental block for Tyrone... You don't have a better team.

Should you beat Monaghan (which I don't think you will anyway) there is no chance, absolutely no chance you'd beat Mayo/Dublin/Donegal/Kerry!

Lads Dublin were going at approx 60% yesterday. The only worry I'd have about them is can they press the accelerator up to 100% when they need to, and maintain at that level for a 70 minute game against a real contender. They knew that had that game won after 15 minutes, similar to their other games this year. I wouldn't be basing my opinion of how they'll do against Mayo/Donegal on that basis. As I said, there may be lingering doubts about them being able to hit their straps when they need to from the start, but I wouldn't worry on the basis that Fermanagh hung around.

On that note, and I don't want to be hard on Fermanagh who tried really hard, but was anyone else slightly disconcerted to see the smiles and laughs from them after the game? I know they were huge outsiders and probably relieved they didn't get a beating like Kerry gave Kildare, but that was an All Ireland Quarter Final, and the losing team were beaten by 8 points, and would have been much more but for a couple of lucky goals, by a team operating at probably 60% intensity.

I understand the pride that they kept trying, but if you are essentially not within an asses roar of really competing with the team that just beat you in an All Ireland Quarter Final, should you be laughing and smiling?

I'm not trying to be hard on them, and I'm not suggesting my own county would have done in anyway any better, but I thought this Fermanagh team had a bit more oomph in them than that. I thought it was a bit worrying from a competition standpoint. Would Fermanagh be that blasé about losing by 8 points to Donegal?

And I think some of the media comment is patronising at best.

Did you want them to be grumpy?

Fermanagh put a bit of a smile back on a game that's obsessed with professionalism at that level. They knew they were well beaten long before the whistle and were also aware of the ludicrous nature of the two goals. The gay abandon made a fleeting reappearance and it was a joy to watch. Quigley's last score was a clinker. Instead of trudging off the field a whipped side, they knew exactly what had happened and revelled in it. More to life and Rudyard Kipling and all that. Won't win Sams but FFS.

They've to return to the dreary steeples y'know.

Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2015, 08:15:10 PM
Did you want them to be grumpy?

Fermanagh put a bit of a smile back on a game that's obsessed with professionalism at that level. They knew they were well beaten long before the whistle and were also aware of the ludicrous nature of the two goals. The gay abandon made a fleeting reappearance and it was a joy to watch. Quigley's last score was a clinker. Instead of trudging off the field a whipped side, they knew exactly what had happened and revelled in it. More to life and Rudyard Kipling and all that. Won't win Sams but FFS.

They've to return to the dreary steeples y'know.

I'd expect them to be a bit shocked that that sort of gap exists, a bit raw from being beaten so well, but proud that at least they kept going.

I wouldn't have expected them to look so happy so soon after the game.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2015, 08:07:05 PM
Lads Dublin were going at approx 60% yesterday. The only worry I'd have about them is can they press the accelerator up to 100% when they need to, and maintain at that level for a 70 minute game against a real contender. They knew that had that game won after 15 minutes, similar to their other games this year. I wouldn't be basing my opinion of how they'll do against Mayo/Donegal on that basis. As I said, there may be lingering doubts about them being able to hit their straps when they need to from the start, but I wouldn't worry on the basis that Fermanagh hung around.

On that note, and I don't want to be hard on Fermanagh who tried really hard, but was anyone else slightly disconcerted to see the smiles and laughs from them after the game? I know they were huge outsiders and probably relieved they didn't get a beating like Kerry gave Kildare, but that was an All Ireland Quarter Final, and the losing team were beaten by 8 points, and would have been much more but for a couple of lucky goals, by a team operating at probably 60% intensity.

I understand the pride that they kept trying, but if you are essentially not within an asses roar of really competing with the team that just beat you in an All Ireland Quarter Final, should you be laughing and smiling?

I'm not trying to be hard on them, and I'm not suggesting my own county would have done in anyway any better, but I thought this Fermanagh team had a bit more oomph in them than that. I thought it was a bit worrying from a competition standpoint. Would Fermanagh be that blasé about losing by 8 points to Donegal?

And I think some of the media comment is patronising at best.

Look the whole thing about yesterdays game was for Fermanagh to stay in single figures behind Dublin. Kildare getting hammered by Kerry helped with the perception of the performance coupled with 2 lucky goals and a couple of late points to make the final scoreline look less daunting. The attitude of the fans helped with the feel good factor.

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Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2015, 08:15:10 PM
Did you want them to be grumpy?

Fermanagh put a bit of a smile back on a game that's obsessed with professionalism at that level. They knew they were well beaten long before the whistle and were also aware of the ludicrous nature of the two goals. The gay abandon made a fleeting reappearance and it was a joy to watch. Quigley's last score was a clinker. Instead of trudging off the field a whipped side, they knew exactly what had happened and revelled in it. More to life and Rudyard Kipling and all that. Won't win Sams but FFS.

They've to return to the dreary steeples y'know.

I'd expect them to be a bit shocked that that sort of gap exists, a bit raw from being beaten so well, but proud that at least they kept going.

I wouldn't have expected them to look so happy so soon after the game.

It's the end of the inter-county season for Fermanagh. The hilly journey through the qualifiers and bond between the supporters and players had been spoken about more than any other side this summer and both parties recognised that one last time. As Pete McGrath said at half time, they can lie down and get hammered by 20 or put up a fight and show pride in the jersey. Next year is a different matter.

Of course they were aware that gap exists. Everyone knows it. Even my ma.

Don't think there is anything wrong with a bit of good humour to pervade the dour, win-at-all-costs attitude that hovers over football most of the time.

My own thoughts on yesterday would be

I'm more nervous of the Dubs than ever. The form of Paul Flynn is very worrying - as a number of posters have said he is the engine of our team, but if anyone thinks he is anywhere near 2014 or 2013 form, they are deluding themselves.

I love fenton as a player, great footpasser, but we can only afford him if MDMA is firing on all cylinders. I'd fear for our midfield against any of the teams left. I've always wanted Cian O'Sullivan as centre back, think it is his best position, but there is also something to be said for having a completely solid grafter in beside MDMA, letting him rampage forward. John Small might be have to be thrown in.

Some of our passing, by foot and hand, was terrible - not a great position to be in, especially given the fact that for 55 mins of that game we were under no pressure.

Peaking for a semi? Dangerous game to play.

As for Quigley, maybe there was an issue with how other posters phrased it, but I think it is fair enough to say that I'd love to see what kind of performance he'd put in if he was a stone or so lighter. Whatever you may think of the philosophy of there being elite athletes in the GAA, the fact is, at this level, he is up against them. You can mythologise about his shoulders like the M1 (!! Jesus, he put both hands on a keeper and pushed him over the line when he was coming down from a catch, hardly the Rock against Limerick 2001!!) all you like, the fact remains the Dublin team were markedly bigger and faster than Fermanagh. And his best scores came after the game was dead.

He has a choice to make, expand his undoubted talents to the very limit, and maybe drag the entire team with him - or head out for a 2am pizza. It was great to see Fermanagh leave with heads held high - but the team of 2004 did more than that, and Armagh were as unbackable in that game as Dublin were yesterday. Counties like Fermanagh will never have sustained success a la Kerry or Dublin, which makes it all the more important when they have players like Quigley, Corrigan etc to make the very best of them.

Quote from: easytiger95 on August 03, 2015, 08:38:07 PM
Don't think there is anything wrong with a bit of good humour to pervade the dour, win-at-all-costs attitude that hovers over football most of the time.

My own thoughts on yesterday would be

I'm more nervous of the Dubs than ever. The form of Paul Flynn is very worrying - as a number of posters have said he is the engine of our team, but if anyone thinks he is anywhere near 2014 or 2013 form, they are deluding themselves.

I love fenton as a player, great footpasser, but we can only afford him if MDMA is firing on all cylinders. I'd fear for our midfield against any of the teams left. I've always wanted Cian O'Sullivan as centre back, think it is his best position, but there is also something to be said for having a completely solid grafter in beside MDMA, letting him rampage forward. John Small might be have to be thrown in.

Some of our passing, by foot and hand, was terrible - not a great position to be in, especially given the fact that for 55 mins of that game we were under no pressure.

Peaking for a semi? Dangerous game to play.

As for Quigley, maybe there was an issue with how other posters phrased it, but I think it is fair enough to say that I'd love to see what kind of performance he'd put in if he was a stone or so lighter. Whatever you may think of the philosophy of there being elite athletes in the GAA, the fact is, at this level, he is up against them. You can mythologise about his shoulders like the M1 (!! Jesus, he put both hands on a keeper and pushed him over the line when he was coming down from a catch, hardly the Rock against Limerick 2001!!) all you like, the fact remains the Dublin team were markedly bigger and faster than Fermanagh. And his best scores came after the game was dead.

He has a choice to make, expand his undoubted talents to the very limit, and maybe drag the entire team with him - or head out for a 2am pizza. It was great to see Fermanagh leave with heads held high - but the team of 2004 did more than that, and Armagh were as unbackable in that game as Dublin were yesterday. Counties like Fermanagh will never have sustained success a la Kerry or Dublin, which makes it all the more important when they have players like Quigley, Corrigan etc to make the very best of them.

I know a 15 min. 5K runner who eats pizza at 2am. Never did him any harm :-\

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Quote from: easytiger95 on August 03, 2015, 08:38:07 PM
Don't think there is anything wrong with a bit of good humour to pervade the dour, win-at-all-costs attitude that hovers over football most of the time.

My own thoughts on yesterday would be

I'm more nervous of the Dubs than ever. The form of Paul Flynn is very worrying - as a number of posters have said he is the engine of our team, but if anyone thinks he is anywhere near 2014 or 2013 form, they are deluding themselves.

I love fenton as a player, great footpasser, but we can only afford him if MDMA is firing on all cylinders. I'd fear for our midfield against any of the teams left. I've always wanted Cian O'Sullivan as centre back, think it is his best position, but there is also something to be said for having a completely solid grafter in beside MDMA, letting him rampage forward. John Small might be have to be thrown in.

Some of our passing, by foot and hand, was terrible - not a great position to be in, especially given the fact that for 55 mins of that game we were under no pressure.

Peaking for a semi? Dangerous game to play.

As for Quigley, maybe there was an issue with how other posters phrased it, but I think it is fair enough to say that I'd love to see what kind of performance he'd put in if he was a stone or so lighter. Whatever you may think of the philosophy of there being elite athletes in the GAA, the fact is, at this level, he is up against them. You can mythologise about his shoulders like the M1 (!! Jesus, he put both hands on a keeper and pushed him over the line when he was coming down from a catch, hardly the Rock against Limerick 2001!!) all you like, the fact remains the Dublin team were markedly bigger and faster than Fermanagh. And his best scores came after the game was dead.

He has a choice to make, expand his undoubted talents to the very limit, and maybe drag the entire team with him - or head out for a 2am pizza. It was great to see Fermanagh leave with heads held high - but the team of 2004 did more than that, and Armagh were as unbackable in that game as Dublin were yesterday. Counties like Fermanagh will never have sustained success a la Kerry or Dublin, which makes it all the more important when they have players like Quigley, Corrigan etc to make the very best of them.

I know a 15 min. 5K runner who eats pizza at 2am. Never did him any harm :-\

Is there any end to Ciaran Mac's talents?

Lads come on, let's have a bit of cop on here. The Dubs are a multi million euro prepared team backed by multi Nationals and all sorts of big business. There's no way they can lose the All Ireland after last year. They are just strolling round at the moment trying to keep the hype under wrap. They even have the ref out giving decisions against them to keep the score down. Watch what sort of decisions they get for them the next day.
I've listed what the Dubs have going for them as an advantage over every other team earlier in this thread. It would take some doing for them to blow this All Ireland. They managed to do it last year, AIG don't like to add their name to a team of chokers. Look at the decisions New Zealand got in the last rugby world cup final. So as I said lads, a bit of cop on. This is Dublins All Ireland.

B Brogan this Championship

Goal attempts   5-00 from 6 shots
Point attempts  0-16 from 24 shots

Combined Conversion Rate of 70%

Fecker must have known Dinny Breen was questioning his clinicalness...

Moysider, compared to most of the players in opposition to him, and most of the players on his own side, he is carrying serious weight. Now if he struggled with it, I'd have a fair bit of sympathy with him. But he seems to be ok with it, which, on one hand, speaks to a well adjusted personality, but on the other hand, if I was playing/coaching him I'd be tearing my hair out. Imagine having those natural gifts and not doing your absolute best to maximise them?

Well, we all know the "genius" player down at the club who could have been a contender - and a heartlifting and fairly funny cameo towards the end of a dead game, should only be the start to the career that he should have at club and county. I'm thinking of exceptionally talented guys like Ciaran McDonald, who were able to both express their personality and their talent. McDonald never won a senior AI - but for a period between 2004-2006 he was one of the top forwards in the country, a player that teams had to change their plans for. Quigley could do the same - immortality for him will be winning an Ulster title - but with the kind of wolves running in Ulster, will he?

There is nothing to say he will lose his personality with the pounds. Johnny Pilkington always said that all of the reports of his carousing and smoking were hugely exaggerated and underneath he was a serious athlete. But he was seriously loved as well, by any fans of offaly hurling during their golden years, and ended up with two AI medals.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2015, 08:07:05 PM
Lads Dublin were going at approx 60% yesterday. The only worry I'd have about them is can they press the accelerator up to 100% when they need to, and maintain at that level for a 70 minute game against a real contender. They knew that had that game won after 15 minutes, similar to their other games this year. I wouldn't be basing my opinion of how they'll do against Mayo/Donegal on that basis. As I said, there may be lingering doubts about them being able to hit their straps when they need to from the start, but I wouldn't worry on the basis that Fermanagh hung around.

On that note, and I don't want to be hard on Fermanagh who tried really hard, but was anyone else slightly disconcerted to see the smiles and laughs from them after the game? I know they were huge outsiders and probably relieved they didn't get a beating like Kerry gave Kildare, but that was an All Ireland Quarter Final, and the losing team were beaten by 8 points, and would have been much more but for a couple of lucky goals, by a team operating at probably 60% intensity.

I understand the pride that they kept trying, but if you are essentially not within an asses roar of really competing with the team that just beat you in an All Ireland Quarter Final, should you be laughing and smiling?

I'm not trying to be hard on them, and I'm not suggesting my own county would have done in anyway any better, but I thought this Fermanagh team had a bit more oomph in them than that. I thought it was a bit worrying from a competition standpoint. Would Fermanagh be that blasé about losing by 8 points to Donegal?

And I think some of the media comment is patronising at best.

Disappointing but understandable perspective.  Perhaps because we are the gaa and we support our clubs and our counties when realistically they don't have a hope most years, we can take great joy from the crazy effort and enthusiasm and just once in a blue moon success can be deemed as being the best you can be which may not involve a trophy win but taking on a mighty challenge and never once bending the knee....If we want Fermanagh to get closer let's give them some resources to lessen the lack of population argument.

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25-3 in fermanagh's favour the free count today.

That referee should never be allowed referee at this level again.

Out of his depth

I really loved the twee patronising of Fermanagh today.

It was like if a much younger fat child is allowed play football with the older, bigger boys at school to raise his self-esteem. The bigger boys go easy in the tackle on him, let him do a few nutmegs on them and deliberately crash into each other, leaving him to score a few tap-ins for goals. The teacher refereeing the match gives a free any time he loses the ball.

Jim Gavin's big grin at the end when he went over to Pete McGrath was like the teacher patting the fat kid on the head at the end and giving him a special badge to tell him he was the best player in the match.

I agree with you about Jim Gavin. A more patronising & smug git I have never seen.

Yeah, I can't stand him to be honest, smarmy git.

I was amongst the Fermanagh crowd in the Upper Cusack yesterday. The marked contrast to them and Mayo supporters let's say (who'd be streaming out with 15 mins to go) was stark. Cheering and clapping away to their hearts content. I know they don't get big days out too often, but it's a bad mentality to have in my opinion. However, they can rightly hold their heads high and I reckon if they keep Pete McGrath they will cause a lot fo Div 2 teams problems next Spring.

I used to be a fan of Gavin but have went off him too. He did an interview with RTE after the Fermanagh game and was in the most pissy humour. I mean you'd won a handy QF over much lesser opponents as you were predict by the media to do, you'd wonder what the fcuk he was up on his high horse about.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2015, 08:07:05 PM
Lads Dublin were going at approx 60% yesterday. The only worry I'd have about them is can they press the accelerator up to 100% when they need to, and maintain at that level for a 70 minute game against a real contender. They knew that had that game won after 15 minutes, similar to their other games this year. I wouldn't be basing my opinion of how they'll do against Mayo/Donegal on that basis. As I said, there may be lingering doubts about them being able to hit their straps when they need to from the start, but I wouldn't worry on the basis that Fermanagh hung around.

On that note, and I don't want to be hard on Fermanagh who tried really hard, but was anyone else slightly disconcerted to see the smiles and laughs from them after the game? I know they were huge outsiders and probably relieved they didn't get a beating like Kerry gave Kildare, but that was an All Ireland Quarter Final, and the losing team were beaten by 8 points, and would have been much more but for a couple of lucky goals, by a team operating at probably 60% intensity.

I understand the pride that they kept trying, but if you are essentially not within an asses roar of really competing with the team that just beat you in an All Ireland Quarter Final, should you be laughing and smiling?

I'm not trying to be hard on them, and I'm not suggesting my own county would have done in anyway any better, but I thought this Fermanagh team had a bit more oomph in them than that. I thought it was a bit worrying from a competition standpoint. Would Fermanagh be that blasé about losing by 8 points to Donegal?

And I think some of the media comment is patronising at best.

Couldn't agree any more AZ

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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2015, 08:07:05 PM
Lads Dublin were going at approx 60% yesterday. The only worry I'd have about them is can they press the accelerator up to 100% when they need to, and maintain at that level for a 70 minute game against a real contender. They knew that had that game won after 15 minutes, similar to their other games this year. I wouldn't be basing my opinion of how they'll do against Mayo/Donegal on that basis. As I said, there may be lingering doubts about them being able to hit their straps when they need to from the start, but I wouldn't worry on the basis that Fermanagh hung around.

On that note, and I don't want to be hard on Fermanagh who tried really hard, but was anyone else slightly disconcerted to see the smiles and laughs from them after the game? I know they were huge outsiders and probably relieved they didn't get a beating like Kerry gave Kildare, but that was an All Ireland Quarter Final, and the losing team were beaten by 8 points, and would have been much more but for a couple of lucky goals, by a team operating at probably 60% intensity.

I understand the pride that they kept trying, but if you are essentially not within an asses roar of really competing with the team that just beat you in an All Ireland Quarter Final, should you be laughing and smiling?

I'm not trying to be hard on them, and I'm not suggesting my own county would have done in anyway any better, but I thought this Fermanagh team had a bit more oomph in them than that. I thought it was a bit worrying from a competition standpoint. Would Fermanagh be that blasé about losing by 8 points to Donegal?

And I think some of the media comment is patronising at best.

Couldn't agree any more AZ

I couldn't disagree more. If it's their attitude you're casting aspersions on then show me a team this year who've achieved more from so relatively little?

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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2015, 08:07:05 PM
Lads Dublin were going at approx 60% yesterday. The only worry I'd have about them is can they press the accelerator up to 100% when they need to, and maintain at that level for a 70 minute game against a real contender. They knew that had that game won after 15 minutes, similar to their other games this year. I wouldn't be basing my opinion of how they'll do against Mayo/Donegal on that basis. As I said, there may be lingering doubts about them being able to hit their straps when they need to from the start, but I wouldn't worry on the basis that Fermanagh hung around.

On that note, and I don't want to be hard on Fermanagh who tried really hard, but was anyone else slightly disconcerted to see the smiles and laughs from them after the game? I know they were huge outsiders and probably relieved they didn't get a beating like Kerry gave Kildare, but that was an All Ireland Quarter Final, and the losing team were beaten by 8 points, and would have been much more but for a couple of lucky goals, by a team operating at probably 60% intensity.

I understand the pride that they kept trying, but if you are essentially not within an asses roar of really competing with the team that just beat you in an All Ireland Quarter Final, should you be laughing and smiling?

I'm not trying to be hard on them, and I'm not suggesting my own county would have done in anyway any better, but I thought this Fermanagh team had a bit more oomph in them than that. I thought it was a bit worrying from a competition standpoint. Would Fermanagh be that blasé about losing by 8 points to Donegal?

And I think some of the media comment is patronising at best.

Couldn't agree any more AZ

Couldn't disagree more. It's not true to say Dublin were operating at 60%. Sixty per cent is just over half pace which greatly exaggerates Dublins ability should they simply DECIDE to turn it up a level. The last few games have exposed some deficiencies in the Dublin side, most notably at full back and midfield. Dublins midfield is probably the poorest of the main 4 contenders left in the competition.

Fermanagh have scant playing resources compared to almost every other county in Ireland and had been playing a lot of energy sapping games recently. I agree that the scoreline possibly flattered them but there is a natural progression that a team has to go through before they can hit peak levels. They will have something tangible to build on for next season but if you think Fermanagh should be competing for AI titles then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

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Lads Dublin were going at approx 60% yesterday. The only worry I'd have about them is can they press the accelerator up to 100% when they need to, and maintain at that level for a 70 minute game against a real contender. They knew that had that game won after 15 minutes, similar to their other games this year. I wouldn't be basing my opinion of how they'll do against Mayo/Donegal on that basis. As I said, there may be lingering doubts about them being able to hit their straps when they need to from the start, but I wouldn't worry on the basis that Fermanagh hung around.

On that note, and I don't want to be hard on Fermanagh who tried really hard, but was anyone else slightly disconcerted to see the smiles and laughs from them after the game? I know they were huge outsiders and probably relieved they didn't get a beating like Kerry gave Kildare, but that was an All Ireland Quarter Final, and the losing team were beaten by 8 points, and would have been much more but for a couple of lucky goals, by a team operating at probably 60% intensity.

I understand the pride that they kept trying, but if you are essentially not within an asses roar of really competing with the team that just beat you in an All Ireland Quarter Final, should you be laughing and smiling?

I'm not trying to be hard on them, and I'm not suggesting my own county would have done in anyway any better, but I thought this Fermanagh team had a bit more oomph in them than that. I thought it was a bit worrying from a competition standpoint. Would Fermanagh be that blasé about losing by 8 points to Donegal?

And I think some of the media comment is patronising at best.

Couldn't agree any more AZ

I couldn't disagree more. If it's their attitude you're casting aspersions on then show me a team this year who've achieved more from so relatively little?

I must have missed what fermanagh achieved.

I thought they had beaten antrim at home twice twice, robbed a depleted Roscommon team in the last few minutes,  beat a westmeath team coming off a tanking and shorn of their two best players and avoided a 20 point tanking in the 1/4 final because of a combination of luck,  atrocious refereeing & a sedate opponent.

Enlighten me

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There is talk over the Dubs forum that some think that this team is actually in decline and that if we don't win it this year it could be a long time before we do, as in decline not age but tactically and managerially etc. Some players too. Not sure Dublin can get past Donegal/Mayo, would actually prefer to play Donegal.

Last year Dublin were going to win five in a row.

Now they're not going to win it at all for five decades in a row.

Yeah that came from the pundits and outside Dublin media. We are more realistic up in Dublin and people who know Dublin GAA are more cautious with that sort of speak, to me and to a lot of others its between Kerry and Mayo. I think Mayo will get to the final.

+1

If not Dublin Ill be routing for the Mayo bucks

Aristocrat is spot on most grounded Dublin Gaa fans feet are firmly on the ground and know are our team aren't all that they are talked up to be by country media/folk

A lot of it is from Leinster teams - Laois, Offaly, Meath, Kildare - who cannot accept that they're actually doing a lot wrong now and have fallen way back. Yesterday might have been an eye-opener. It was easier to pretend that a very good Dublin team were unbeatable.

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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2015, 08:07:05 PM
Lads Dublin were going at approx 60% yesterday. The only worry I'd have about them is can they press the accelerator up to 100% when they need to, and maintain at that level for a 70 minute game against a real contender. They knew that had that game won after 15 minutes, similar to their other games this year. I wouldn't be basing my opinion of how they'll do against Mayo/Donegal on that basis. As I said, there may be lingering doubts about them being able to hit their straps when they need to from the start, but I wouldn't worry on the basis that Fermanagh hung around.

On that note, and I don't want to be hard on Fermanagh who tried really hard, but was anyone else slightly disconcerted to see the smiles and laughs from them after the game? I know they were huge outsiders and probably relieved they didn't get a beating like Kerry gave Kildare, but that was an All Ireland Quarter Final, and the losing team were beaten by 8 points, and would have been much more but for a couple of lucky goals, by a team operating at probably 60% intensity.

I understand the pride that they kept trying, but if you are essentially not within an asses roar of really competing with the team that just beat you in an All Ireland Quarter Final, should you be laughing and smiling?

I'm not trying to be hard on them, and I'm not suggesting my own county would have done in anyway any better, but I thought this Fermanagh team had a bit more oomph in them than that. I thought it was a bit worrying from a competition standpoint. Would Fermanagh be that blasé about losing by 8 points to Donegal?

And I think some of the media comment is patronising at best.

Couldn't agree any more AZ

I couldn't disagree more. If it's their attitude you're casting aspersions on then show me a team this year who've achieved more from so relatively little?

I must have missed what fermanagh achieved.

I thought they had beaten antrim at home twice twice, robbed a depleted Roscommon team in the last few minutes,  beat a westmeath team coming off a tanking and shorn of their two best players and avoided a 20 point tanking in the 1/4 final because of a combination of luck,  atrocious refereeing & a sedate opponent.

Enlighten me

They have a population of 60000, half of which have no interest in GAA.  They got promoted to division 2 and got to the All Ireland quarter final.  If your best is to score 2-15 against a team bigger, fitter, faster, stronger then that should be celebrated.

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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2015, 08:07:05 PM
Lads Dublin were going at approx 60% yesterday. The only worry I'd have about them is can they press the accelerator up to 100% when they need to, and maintain at that level for a 70 minute game against a real contender. They knew that had that game won after 15 minutes, similar to their other games this year. I wouldn't be basing my opinion of how they'll do against Mayo/Donegal on that basis. As I said, there may be lingering doubts about them being able to hit their straps when they need to from the start, but I wouldn't worry on the basis that Fermanagh hung around.

On that note, and I don't want to be hard on Fermanagh who tried really hard, but was anyone else slightly disconcerted to see the smiles and laughs from them after the game? I know they were huge outsiders and probably relieved they didn't get a beating like Kerry gave Kildare, but that was an All Ireland Quarter Final, and the losing team were beaten by 8 points, and would have been much more but for a couple of lucky goals, by a team operating at probably 60% intensity.

I understand the pride that they kept trying, but if you are essentially not within an asses roar of really competing with the team that just beat you in an All Ireland Quarter Final, should you be laughing and smiling?

I'm not trying to be hard on them, and I'm not suggesting my own county would have done in anyway any better, but I thought this Fermanagh team had a bit more oomph in them than that. I thought it was a bit worrying from a competition standpoint. Would Fermanagh be that blasé about losing by 8 points to Donegal?

And I think some of the media comment is patronising at best.

Couldn't agree any more AZ

I couldn't disagree more. If it's their attitude you're casting aspersions on then show me a team this year who've achieved more from so relatively little?

I must have missed what fermanagh achieved.

I thought they had beaten antrim at home twice twice, robbed a depleted Roscommon team in the last few minutes,  beat a westmeath team coming off a tanking and shorn of their two best players and avoided a 20 point tanking in the 1/4 final because of a combination of luck,  atrocious refereeing & a sedate opponent.

Enlighten me

Bored tonight or just simply in a bad mood?

We lost to Dublin but we lost putting up a fight which is a lot more than can be said for the majority of Dublin's conquests. We realise exactly where we are at in Fermanagh. We know our current limitations. This does not mean we do not want to challenge for honours but we know it will be difficult given how the larger counties are financed. This will not stop us trying and will not make us roll over to the likes of Dublin.

To say our opponents were operating at 60% is an insult to Fermanagh and also is simply not true. Dublin were not allowed to play their all concurring style of football they get away with in Leinster and they rarely do against Ulster opposition. Their players were somewhat rattled towards the end (despite the scoreline) and so too were a lot of their fans.

This Fermanagh team have ability and a superb attitude. They are very young and the majority of the panel were having their first Championship year. To say that they have not achieved anything in gaining promotion to Division 2 and winning 4 championship matches is absolute madness. Against Westmeath we lost 2 key players to black cards early on and lost our captain to injury - this should have stretched our panel more than our opponents 2 injurys but it didn't. The defeats to both Dublin and Monaghan will have taught the team an awful lot.

Anyway, whether or not you agree is not important. What is important is that we build on this year and raise our expectations further again. An Ulster title is a distinct possibility for this group of players should they actually believe it!

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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2015, 08:07:05 PM
Lads Dublin were going at approx 60% yesterday. The only worry I'd have about them is can they press the accelerator up to 100% when they need to, and maintain at that level for a 70 minute game against a real contender. They knew that had that game won after 15 minutes, similar to their other games this year. I wouldn't be basing my opinion of how they'll do against Mayo/Donegal on that basis. As I said, there may be lingering doubts about them being able to hit their straps when they need to from the start, but I wouldn't worry on the basis that Fermanagh hung around.

On that note, and I don't want to be hard on Fermanagh who tried really hard, but was anyone else slightly disconcerted to see the smiles and laughs from them after the game? I know they were huge outsiders and probably relieved they didn't get a beating like Kerry gave Kildare, but that was an All Ireland Quarter Final, and the losing team were beaten by 8 points, and would have been much more but for a couple of lucky goals, by a team operating at probably 60% intensity.

I understand the pride that they kept trying, but if you are essentially not within an asses roar of really competing with the team that just beat you in an All Ireland Quarter Final, should you be laughing and smiling?

I'm not trying to be hard on them, and I'm not suggesting my own county would have done in anyway any better, but I thought this Fermanagh team had a bit more oomph in them than that. I thought it was a bit worrying from a competition standpoint. Would Fermanagh be that blasé about losing by 8 points to Donegal?

And I think some of the media comment is patronising at best.

Couldn't agree any more AZ

I couldn't disagree more. If it's their attitude you're casting aspersions on then show me a team this year who've achieved more from so relatively little?

I must have missed what fermanagh achieved.

I thought they had beaten antrim at home twice twice, robbed a depleted Roscommon team in the last few minutes,  beat a westmeath team coming off a tanking and shorn of their two best players and avoided a 20 point tanking in the 1/4 final because of a combination of luck,  atrocious refereeing & a sedate opponent.

Enlighten me

Not possible,
dimmer than a dying light bulb

Fermanagh achieved loads. Promotion, four wins, creditable losses. Leinster teams just don't like the fact that they showed some balls and didn't appear to be scared of the Dubs in spite of being inferior to them. You can die with honour. Kildare didn't. Were Fermanagh players wilting from the hill? Nah, they embraced it. Sure, their first goal should have been disallowed, but how refreshing was it to see a weaker team having the temerity to show no respect for a superstar! They've a tiny population, fuckall funding, fuckall tradition, but they've heart.

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Lads Dublin were going at approx 60% yesterday. The only worry I'd have about them is can they press the accelerator up to 100% when they need to, and maintain at that level for a 70 minute game against a real contender. They knew that had that game won after 15 minutes, similar to their other games this year. I wouldn't be basing my opinion of how they'll do against Mayo/Donegal on that basis. As I said, there may be lingering doubts about them being able to hit their straps when they need to from the start, but I wouldn't worry on the basis that Fermanagh hung around.

On that note, and I don't want to be hard on Fermanagh who tried really hard, but was anyone else slightly disconcerted to see the smiles and laughs from them after the game? I know they were huge outsiders and probably relieved they didn't get a beating like Kerry gave Kildare, but that was an All Ireland Quarter Final, and the losing team were beaten by 8 points, and would have been much more but for a couple of lucky goals, by a team operating at probably 60% intensity.

I understand the pride that they kept trying, but if you are essentially not within an asses roar of really competing with the team that just beat you in an All Ireland Quarter Final, should you be laughing and smiling?

I'm not trying to be hard on them, and I'm not suggesting my own county would have done in anyway any better, but I thought this Fermanagh team had a bit more oomph in them than that. I thought it was a bit worrying from a competition standpoint. Would Fermanagh be that blasé about losing by 8 points to Donegal?

And I think some of the media comment is patronising at best.

Couldn't agree any more AZ

I couldn't disagree more. If it's their attitude you're casting aspersions on then show me a team this year who've achieved more from so relatively little?

I must have missed what fermanagh achieved.

I thought they had beaten antrim at home twice twice, robbed a depleted Roscommon team in the last few minutes,  beat a westmeath team coming off a tanking and shorn of their two best players and avoided a 20 point tanking in the 1/4 final because of a combination of luck,  atrocious refereeing & a sedate opponent.

Enlighten me

Bored tonight or just simply in a bad mood?

We lost to Dublin but we lost putting up a fight which is a lot more than can be said for the majority of Dublin's conquests. We realise exactly where we are at in Fermanagh. We know our current limitations. This does not mean we do not want to challenge for honours but we know it will be difficult given how the larger counties are financed. This will not stop us trying and will not make us roll over to the likes of Dublin.

To say our opponents were operating at 60% is an insult to Fermanagh and also is simply not true. Dublin were not allowed to play their all concurring style of football they get away with in Leinster and they rarely do against Ulster opposition. Their players were somewhat rattled towards the end (despite the scoreline) and so too were a lot of their fans.

This Fermanagh team have ability and a superb attitude. They are very young and the majority of the panel were having their first Championship year. To say that they have not achieved anything in gaining promotion to Division 2 and winning 4 championship matches is absolute madness. Against Westmeath we lost 2 key players to black cards early on and lost our captain to injury - this should have stretched our panel more than our opponents 2 injurys but it didn't. The defeats to both Dublin and Monaghan will have taught the team an awful lot.

Anyway, whether or not you agree is not important. What is important is that we build on this year and raise our expectations further again. An Ulster title is a distinct possibility for this group of players should they actually believe it!

Ah here - delude yourself about the year all you want but leave the fairytales out

Where are you from Duffle King? Definitely a Leinster county?

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Lads Dublin were going at approx 60% yesterday. The only worry I'd have about them is can they press the accelerator up to 100% when they need to, and maintain at that level for a 70 minute game against a real contender. They knew that had that game won after 15 minutes, similar to their other games this year. I wouldn't be basing my opinion of how they'll do against Mayo/Donegal on that basis. As I said, there may be lingering doubts about them being able to hit their straps when they need to from the start, but I wouldn't worry on the basis that Fermanagh hung around.

On that note, and I don't want to be hard on Fermanagh who tried really hard, but was anyone else slightly disconcerted to see the smiles and laughs from them after the game? I know they were huge outsiders and probably relieved they didn't get a beating like Kerry gave Kildare, but that was an All Ireland Quarter Final, and the losing team were beaten by 8 points, and would have been much more but for a couple of lucky goals, by a team operating at probably 60% intensity.

I understand the pride that they kept trying, but if you are essentially not within an asses roar of really competing with the team that just beat you in an All Ireland Quarter Final, should you be laughing and smiling?

I'm not trying to be hard on them, and I'm not suggesting my own county would have done in anyway any better, but I thought this Fermanagh team had a bit more oomph in them than that. I thought it was a bit worrying from a competition standpoint. Would Fermanagh be that blasé about losing by 8 points to Donegal?

And I think some of the media comment is patronising at best.

Couldn't agree any more AZ

I couldn't disagree more. If it's their attitude you're casting aspersions on then show me a team this year who've achieved more from so relatively little?

I must have missed what fermanagh achieved.

I thought they had beaten antrim at home twice twice, robbed a depleted Roscommon team in the last few minutes,  beat a westmeath team coming off a tanking and shorn of their two best players and avoided a 20 point tanking in the 1/4 final because of a combination of luck,  atrocious refereeing & a sedate opponent.

Enlighten me

Bored tonight or just simply in a bad mood?

We lost to Dublin but we lost putting up a fight which is a lot more than can be said for the majority of Dublin's conquests. We realise exactly where we are at in Fermanagh. We know our current limitations. This does not mean we do not want to challenge for honours but we know it will be difficult given how the larger counties are financed. This will not stop us trying and will not make us roll over to the likes of Dublin.

To say our opponents were operating at 60% is an insult to Fermanagh and also is simply not true. Dublin were not allowed to play their all concurring style of football they get away with in Leinster and they rarely do against Ulster opposition. Their players were somewhat rattled towards the end (despite the scoreline) and so too were a lot of their fans.

This Fermanagh team have ability and a superb attitude. They are very young and the majority of the panel were having their first Championship year. To say that they have not achieved anything in gaining promotion to Division 2 and winning 4 championship matches is absolute madness. Against Westmeath we lost 2 key players to black cards early on and lost our captain to injury - this should have stretched our panel more than our opponents 2 injurys but it didn't. The defeats to both Dublin and Monaghan will have taught the team an awful lot.

Anyway, whether or not you agree is not important. What is important is that we build on this year and raise our expectations further again. An Ulster title is a distinct possibility for this group of players should they actually believe it!

Ah here - delude yourself about the year all you want but leave the fairytales out

Ok, so the year as a whole was not a posititive one for Fermanagh in your opinion? How so?

You criticise the players for looking happy in defeat but when I suggest they push on for an Ulster title you dismiss it as an impossibility?

I really do not know what to say to that....

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There is talk over the Dubs forum that some think that this team is actually in decline and that if we don't win it this year it could be a long time before we do, as in decline not age but tactically and managerially etc. Some players too. Not sure Dublin can get past Donegal/Mayo, would actually prefer to play Donegal.

Last year Dublin were going to win five in a row.

Now they're not going to win it at all for five decades in a row.

Yeah that came from the pundits and outside Dublin media. We are more realistic up in Dublin and people who know Dublin GAA are more cautious with that sort of speak, to me and to a lot of others its between Kerry and Mayo. I think Mayo will get to the final.

+1

If not Dublin Ill be routing for the Mayo bucks

Aristocrat is spot on most grounded Dublin Gaa fans feet are firmly on the ground and know are our team aren't all that they are talked up to be by country media/folk

A lot of it is from Leinster teams - Laois, Offaly, Meath, Kildare - who cannot accept that they're actually doing a lot wrong now and have fallen way back. Yesterday might have been an eye-opener. It was easier to pretend that a very good Dublin team were unbeatable.

That's exactly it, and the league is the league. One month to prepare, if they play at the level they have been playing at they will be gone. 

I think if you have Hill 16 supporter clubs coming out and praising you you have done something badly WRONG!

Basically saying thanks for coming down, giving us a good day out and taking your beating. How patronising, Fermanagh players were going down to win and would be cringing at some of this stuff going on in the aftermath!

Hope some other ulster team gets a craic at them this year and there won't be much praise coming out of the hill

AZ and Duffle, I'm trying to work out from what position you guys are coming from. Are youse big players in your respective counties 'big' clubs?  (I didnt mention counties as I'm assuming AZ is an Offlay man).
You guys must only know success and not what it means to try and win against the odds. Have you guys coached / managed a team? Personally I find it strange that anyone would downplay Fermanagh's achievements this year, league promotion, getting to an AI q/f and scoring 2-15 away to Dublin . There's 20 clubs in total, 18 of those clubs had representation in the senior squad. Personally I'd have been a very proud man on Sunday if I happened to have been born in Fermanagh.

Lads, I'm not trying to have a go at what Fermanagh did on the field. Apologies if that's the way it reads. Nor am I necessarily having a go at Fermanagh per se. I just think it's worrying and a bit disconcerting when a team are happy to have 'only' been beaten by 8 points in an All Ireland Quarter Final. And if you think Dublin were going at 100% in that game, we'll have to agree to disagree. The only time they raised a canter was after Sean Quigley forced Cluxton into the O.G, and they responded with 1-1 in about 5 minutes. I would much more understand the post game reaction if they put Dublin to the pin of their collar for 45 minutes, but the Dubs pulled away to win by 8 in the end. But let's not cod ourselves, that's not what happened on Sunday. I have my doubts that Fermanagh would react in such a manner following an 8 point defeat to Donegal or Mayo, for example. Both teams who will fancy their chances against the Dubs in an All Ireland Semi Final. So why the 'happy to be here' reaction on Sunday?

And finally, I think Leinster has regressed significantly in the past 15 years. No doubt about that. This is not a 'defend Leinster Football' spiel. However, I would wonder what the reaction would be to a team like Louth or Westmeath losing by 8 points to Dublin, without ever threatening to push them hard, and then coming off smiling and relieved, and even a bit proud?  I suspect the reaction here would be to slate that team for rolling over and getting their tummies tickled.

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AZ and Duffle, I'm trying to work out from what position you guys are coming from. Are youse big players in your respective counties 'big' clubs?  (I didnt mention counties as I'm assuming AZ is an Offlay man).
You guys must only know success and not what it means to try and win against the odds. Have you guys coached / managed a team? Personally I find it strange that anyone would downplay Fermanagh's achievements this year, league promotion, getting to an AI q/f and scoring 2-15 away to Dublin . There's 20 clubs in total, 18 of those clubs had representation in the senior squad. Personally I'd have been a very proud man on Sunday if I happened to have been born in Fermanagh.

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm involved in coaching, and have played a bit of football in ye olden days. I'm not trying to belittle Fermanagh's performance on the field. I'm just trying to understand why they would be so happy coming off the field? I'd be proud of my efforts if I were them, but I wouldn't be happy that we were that far off the pace. As I said above, apologies if I am coming across as having a got at their performance.

I'll ask the question again though. If they lost to Donegal by that amount, in a game that went in that way, would they be smiling coming off the field? Donegal beat Dublin well last year, so why this reaction from Fermanagh?

Great article in the times by McGuinness this morning on this.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 09:25:51 AM
Lads, I'm not trying to have a go at what Fermanagh did on the field. Apologies if that's the way it reads. Nor am I necessarily having a go at Fermanagh per se. I just think it's worrying and a bit disconcerting when a team are happy to have 'only' been beaten by 8 points in an All Ireland Quarter Final. And if you think Dublin were going at 100% in that game, we'll have to agree to disagree. The only time they raised a canter was after Sean Quigley forced Cluxton into the O.G, and they responded with 1-1 in about 5 minutes. I would much more understand the post game reaction if they put Dublin to the pin of their collar for 45 minutes, but the Dubs pulled away to win by 8 in the end. But let's not cod ourselves, that's not what happened on Sunday. I have my doubts that Fermanagh would react in such a manner following an 8 point defeat to Donegal or Mayo, for example. Both teams who will fancy their chances against the Dubs in an All Ireland Semi Final. So why the 'happy to be here' reaction on Sunday?

And finally, I think Leinster has regressed significantly in the past 15 years. No doubt about that. This is not a 'defend Leinster Football' spiel. However, I would wonder what the reaction would be to a team like Louth or Westmeath losing by 8 points to Dublin, without ever threatening to push them hard, and then coming off smiling and relieved, and even a bit proud?  I suspect the reaction here would be to slate that team for rolling over and getting their tummies tickled.

You said Dublin were operating at 60%. That is nonsense and greatly exaggerates Dublin's capabilities. Dublin were a bit below par but so were Fermanagh who had played a lot of matches in recent weeks with little squad depth.

The Fermanagh reaction was as much in celebration of the year that they had and it's better to see a team play with a smile on their face than much of the sterile robotic characters we see in the modern game. Put the performance in context though, if it had been a first round provincial defeat with nothing of note achieved this year then they would not have been coming off the field laughing. Fermanagh have never even won a provincial title and are realistic in their expectations. They will not be challenging for AI titles anytime soon. Or maybe you would be happier if they trudged off the field with drooped shoulders after ''rolling over and getting their tummies tickled'' by Kerry in a 27 point defeat. I'd be far more upset at that in game performance than any post match reaction by Fermanagh.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 09:28:24 AM

Quote from: JoG2 on August 04, 2015, 09:22:04 AM
AZ and Duffle, I'm trying to work out from what position you guys are coming from. Are youse big players in your respective counties 'big' clubs?  (I didnt mention counties as I'm assuming AZ is an Offlay man).
You guys must only know success and not what it means to try and win against the odds. Have you guys coached / managed a team? Personally I find it strange that anyone would downplay Fermanagh's achievements this year, league promotion, getting to an AI q/f and scoring 2-15 away to Dublin . There's 20 clubs in total, 18 of those clubs had representation in the senior squad. Personally I'd have been a very proud man on Sunday if I happened to have been born in Fermanagh.

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm involved in coaching, and have played a bit of football in ye olden days. I'm not trying to belittle Fermanagh's performance on the field. I'm just trying to understand why they would be so happy coming off the field? I'd be proud of my efforts if I were them, but I wouldn't be happy that we were that far off the pace. As I said above, apologies if I am coming across as having a got at their performance.

I'll ask the question again though. If they lost to Donegal by that amount, in a game that went in that way, would they be smiling coming off the field? Donegal beat Dublin well last year, so why this reaction from Fermanagh?

The same thing struck me - I would say the Fermanagh team can be proud of how they performed this year but to me it was not a result to celebrate, to smile and laugh about - I would hope it gives them an impetus to attempt to push on next year to bridge the gap somewhat. Good article from McGuinness, it's worrying that teams are happy to keep the margin to single figures.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 09:28:24 AM

Quote from: JoG2 on August 04, 2015, 09:22:04 AM
AZ and Duffle, I'm trying to work out from what position you guys are coming from. Are youse big players in your respective counties 'big' clubs?  (I didnt mention counties as I'm assuming AZ is an Offlay man).
You guys must only know success and not what it means to try and win against the odds. Have you guys coached / managed a team? Personally I find it strange that anyone would downplay Fermanagh's achievements this year, league promotion, getting to an AI q/f and scoring 2-15 away to Dublin . There's 20 clubs in total, 18 of those clubs had representation in the senior squad. Personally I'd have been a very proud man on Sunday if I happened to have been born in Fermanagh.

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm involved in coaching, and have played a bit of football in ye olden days. I'm not trying to belittle Fermanagh's performance on the field. I'm just trying to understand why they would be so happy coming off the field? I'd be proud of my efforts if I were them, but I wouldn't be happy that we were that far off the pace. As I said above, apologies if I am coming across as having a got at their performance.

I'll ask the question again though. If they lost to Donegal by that amount, in a game that went in that way, would they be smiling coming off the field? Donegal beat Dublin well last year, so why this reaction from Fermanagh?

I don't think I am. You're making a big deal of some Fermanagh players smiling coming off the pitch. Sunday was the equivalent of Northwich Victoria playing Chelsea @ Standford Bridge and making a game of it. Not lying down to them and giving it everything. That's all that could have been asked of Fermanagh. They had been busting themselves since collectively meeting in October. The gulf in resources between the 2 counties is off the scale. Getting to a q/f and running Dublin to 8 points in today's Sky sponsored football championship is worth smiling about. Your beef should be with the GAA, not the Ernemen smiling imo AZ

Quote from: lfdown2 on August 04, 2015, 09:57:12 AM

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 09:28:24 AM

Quote from: JoG2 on August 04, 2015, 09:22:04 AM
AZ and Duffle, I'm trying to work out from what position you guys are coming from. Are youse big players in your respective counties 'big' clubs?  (I didnt mention counties as I'm assuming AZ is an Offlay man).
You guys must only know success and not what it means to try and win against the odds. Have you guys coached / managed a team? Personally I find it strange that anyone would downplay Fermanagh's achievements this year, league promotion, getting to an AI q/f and scoring 2-15 away to Dublin . There's 20 clubs in total, 18 of those clubs had representation in the senior squad. Personally I'd have been a very proud man on Sunday if I happened to have been born in Fermanagh.

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm involved in coaching, and have played a bit of football in ye olden days. I'm not trying to belittle Fermanagh's performance on the field. I'm just trying to understand why they would be so happy coming off the field? I'd be proud of my efforts if I were them, but I wouldn't be happy that we were that far off the pace. As I said above, apologies if I am coming across as having a got at their performance.

I'll ask the question again though. If they lost to Donegal by that amount, in a game that went in that way, would they be smiling coming off the field? Donegal beat Dublin well last year, so why this reaction from Fermanagh?

The same thing struck me - I would say the Fermanagh team can be proud of how they performed this year but to me it was not a result to celebrate, to smile and laugh about - I would hope it gives them an impetus to attempt to push on next year to bridge the gap somewhat. Good article from McGuinness, it's worrying that teams are happy to keep the margin to single figures.

The Fermanagh camp have said an Anglo Celt is their aim next year. They wouldn't have said so last year. They are on the push and can take great pleasure in that. McGuinness, I haven't read the article. His Donegal team spent nearly as much as Dublin in their rise  and winning their AI, millions of euro. If Fermanagh had access to the type of money Donegal were receiving maybe they would have picked up an Ulster in the last few years

McGuinness makes some very good observations in that article and it's part of an overall GAA problem, the growing gulf in standards.

There are some awfully mean-spirited comments about Fermanagh here, and not just from the usual suspects. I remember a time when I was grateful for Waterford to put up a decent showing in any Championship hurling (obviously) match. And by 'any', I mean at Senior, Minor or Under-21 level. A win of any description was enough to make the year and to put up a decent showing on a bigger stage was the stuff of fantasy. That was our attitude 20-something years ago and despite suggestions here that such an attitude typified a culture of mediocrity we have gotten to the point where what was the stuff of fantasy has become a matter of routine. A little understanding for why Fermanagh would treat Sunday's performance as a victory of sorts would not go amiss.

I'm not trying to be mean spirited about it, and I'm not trying to denigrate Fermanagh's performance. I just find it odd that they would be happy about it. Proud they kept going, yes. Determined to push on from there, absolutely. But happy?  As I said, I could even buy the moral victory angle if they really put it up to Dublin and the Dubs just pulled away to win by 8 at the end. It wasn't anything like that, and I think it's patronising to Fermanagh to suggest it was. I just can't see it, but maybe I'm being too harsh on them. If so, it's unintentional.

And JoG, I take your point, and that's actually what I am badly articulating here. My being disconcerted by their reaction is more about the huge gulf that is opening up between the top 3 or 4 (or maybe 5 or 6) and everyone else.  Fermanagh should be disgusted they've just lost by 8 points, in an ideal world, not relieved and happy. Maybe we do need a tiered championship after all, much as I hate to think about it. The problem is the top tier is really only those 5-6 teams.

And yellowcard, of course I was exaggerating with 60%. How can you quantify that? But I'll clarify. I believe that Dublin were not at their top level of intensity, and didn't have to be to win comfortably. How much more they have to find, I suppose we'll see in the next game or maybe two.

Fermanagh were the first team to hold Dublin under 10pts, that was an achievement in itself. They were probaly relieved after witnessing Kildare who are much bigger County population wise getting trounced by Kery beforehand.

Big gulf after the top 3/4 teams.

I haven't saw the game on TV yet, but going on what I saw at the match, and my take on it...

Dublin won comfortably, but they weren't comfortable in their performance. And I don't know about complacency going in to the game, but it wasn't a 'foot off the gas' scenario. Fermanagh, particularly in the first half, dominated midfield and the break area, they had the lions share of possession in that first half too (ht stats showed they had 60% of possession), and were largely able to work possession into scoreable positions. Where the difference was was in terms of efficiency; Fermanagh had four opportunities for scores before Dublin had one - Dublin scored theirs however, Fermanagh put three wide and one short. Perhaps in the highlights, it looked like a game whereby Dublin pulled ahead easily enough and took their foot of the pedal, but while Dublin continued to be much more efficient than Fermanagh, they were getting their fill of it out the field. The corrigans and quigley were all able to win ball, and the corrigans and mccusker took players on and more often than not got by them.

For all that, Dublin continued to pull away; Bernard Brogan, although there was slack enough marking at times, was a joy to watch, and the match seemed to be going very much to script. The +14 the bookies had offered seemed to be a benchmark of what would be a decent result for Fermanagh, and 10 down at ht it didn't look that achievable, especially given Dublins propensity for really pulling away in the last 15 min.

It continued in much the same vein in the second half - I didn't see the second half stats; Dublin won more possession round the middle than they had the first, but there were large periods where it was tit for tat, some good scores from Fermanagh being responded to by simple scores by Dublin. The goal shouldn't have counted obviously - the scenario, whereby he hadn't awarded a free straight off, put him a quandary when it was called back and the umpire told him it had crossed the line. He should have cleared his head and taken longer to think about the situation, but what was surprising was that it did seem to rattle Dublin.

That goal was celebrated raucously, and the atmosphere from there til the end was the best prolonged atmosphere I've ever experienced at a gaelic match. It was just having the craic at the scenario, an underdog (altho under no illusions they were going to get beaten) taking the p*ss out of a great team; the hill were booing quigley, who was loving it, Fermanagh were hitting some great scores and also got another goal from a mix up: it was just sheer pantomime, and great craic altogether.

A lot has been made of the contrasting free count, having  not seen the game on tv I'd say Fermanagh got one or two that you were thinking were soft enough, but not many more, and I don't remember an incident where Dublin were denied a clear cut free - perhaps watching a replay will clear that up for me though. The reality for me was that we were often too far off in defence, and seemed perhaps overly concerned with preventing goals; the low free count for Dublin an indictment of not being near enough the shooter to put good pressure on them, rather than an indicator of a heavily biased referee. Referees in gaa do have way too much influence on the game though, it is something that needs to be looked at, and I'd definitely be in favour of their matches being reviewed with an assessor after the game so their decisions would have to be explained.

I note a few have been critical of the fermanagh team being cheered off the field, and the players reacting accordingly, and I can see that an argument could be made that if defeat is celebrated, then perhaps there is a danger it would be settled for...but this fails to take into account the evolution of a team. With each good campaign, the bar is raised. A lot has been learnt from that campaign, and if we were to get through to the QF next year, we'd be expecting more than an honourable defeat no matter who we were up against. We were celebratnig the start of a new era for Fermanagh, and I'd like to think the support gives them a greater incentive to push on.

In relation to Dublin, this hasn't been a bad game for them at all imo. They won easily, but frailties were exposed; Fermanagh were through on goal at least 4 times, and they dominated midfield and breaks for significant periods. These frailties were there, better for them to be exposed now in a win than against Kerry or someone when its too late to recover. They were also probably exaggerated a bit (esp mf) with the changes that were made; perhaps Gavin was trying not to show his hand, either way, I'd much rather have had Dublins game than Kerrys, and I don't think I'd make much distinction as to who actually is in the better position. One thing I would say though it that it seems to me in modern football, despite the defensive systems [and actually because of them] there are goals there for the taking if a bit of nous is used, and the gooch is unmatched for that sort of nous. 

Quote from: rodney trotter on August 04, 2015, 10:38:20 AM
Fermanagh were the first team to hold Dublin under 10pts, that was an achievement in itself. They were probaly relieved after witnessing Kildare who are much bigger County population wise getting trounced by Kery beforehand.

Big gulf after the top 3/4 teams.

The Kildare thing is a whole other spectrum in terms of performance in my view alright.

Lads fermanagh did well and no-one is taking away from them but I genuinely think that the 2004 Fermanagh team were a better side and it was a greater achievement to what happened the other day.  Dublin could have won that game by 20 points if they really focused.  Fermanagh were plucky etc but I agree with AZ,  if I played on that team I would be gutted coming off the field and not laughing and joking. 

To put things in perspective,  Monaghan has a smaller population than Fermanagh,  8 more clubs.  I know there is a fair Protestant community in Fermanagh but there's a few in Monaghan too, they just play the games!!!    Fermanagh will do well this year, push to a final in Ulster in the next 2 years if the draw is kind but ultimately they will fall back to the nearly men category.  This is the way of things and unless there is a significant change in the club structures and the schools football then there will be no building on this current 'success'.  People are saying how they kept Dublin within 10 points.  If the first 'goal' had not been given I reckon Dublin would have coasted on to a 15 point win.  Let's not fool ourselves any further.

In my view, the Fermanagh players weren't laughing and smiling at the "achievement" of just losing by 8 points.

The Fermanagh fans came down with the intention of giving their lads 100% support and to stick with their team no matter what the scoreline.

There was a big group of fans near me in the lower Hogan. They gave a massive cheer when Fermanagh got their first point to equalise. 2 or 3 of them whooped, hollered and gesticulated the same way I did when Cluxton kicked the winning point in the AI final v Kerry! Sure, they were exaggerating, but they were out to enjoy themselves.

The two late goals they got were as comical as I've ever seen in Croker. For them to happen so close together at the end of the game was remarkable, the Fermanagh fans went ultra-mental. The game was long gone, but I don't see how, as a Fermanagh player, you couldnt have a smile on your face at the end given the noise from your fans and the last few minutes of absolute madness.

Quote from: rodney trotter on August 04, 2015, 10:38:20 AM
Fermanagh were the first team to hold Dublin under 10pts, that was an achievement in itself. They were probaly relieved after witnessing Kildare who are much bigger County population wise getting trounced by Kery beforehand.

Big gulf after the top 3/4 teams.

So slighty less of a hammering than other teams Dublin have hammered..Thats one to tell the grandkids about alright.
This thread has got silly. Great entertainment reading it though.

Quote from: Hound on August 04, 2015, 10:47:16 AM
In my view, the Fermanagh players weren't laughing and smiling at the "achievement" of just losing by 8 points.

The Fermanagh fans came down with the intention of giving their lads 100% support and to stick with their team no matter what the scoreline.

There was a big group of fans near me in the lower Hogan. They gave a massive cheer when Fermanagh got their first point to equalise. 2 or 3 of them whooped, hollered and gesticulated the same way I did when Cluxton kicked the winning point in the AI final v Kerry! Sure, they were exaggerating, but they were out to enjoy themselves.

The two late goals they got were as comical as I've ever seen in Croker. For them to happen so close together at the end of the game was remarkable, the Fermanagh fans went ultra-mental. The game was long gone, but I don't see how, as a Fermanagh player, you couldnt have a smile on your face at the end given the noise from your fans and the last few minutes of absolute madness.

Maybe because I'm walking off the field after losing by 8 points and never looking like winning it? Ara I don't know. Maybe I'm just turning into a narky f**ker.

Quote from: laoislad on August 04, 2015, 10:48:39 AM

Quote from: rodney trotter on August 04, 2015, 10:38:20 AM
Fermanagh were the first team to hold Dublin under 10pts, that was an achievement in itself. They were probaly relieved after witnessing Kildare who are much bigger County population wise getting trounced by Kery beforehand.

Big gulf after the top 3/4 teams.

So slighty less of a hammering than other teams Dublin have hammered..Thats one to tell the grandkids about alright.
This thread has got silly. Great entertainment reading it though.

You discovered the Gaa section well done. Thought you just talked shite about Liverpool

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 10:50:45 AM

Quote from: Hound on August 04, 2015, 10:47:16 AM
In my view, the Fermanagh players weren't laughing and smiling at the "achievement" of just losing by 8 points.

The Fermanagh fans came down with the intention of giving their lads 100% support and to stick with their team no matter what the scoreline.

There was a big group of fans near me in the lower Hogan. They gave a massive cheer when Fermanagh got their first point to equalise. 2 or 3 of them whooped, hollered and gesticulated the same way I did when Cluxton kicked the winning point in the AI final v Kerry! Sure, they were exaggerating, but they were out to enjoy themselves.

The two late goals they got were as comical as I've ever seen in Croker. For them to happen so close together at the end of the game was remarkable, the Fermanagh fans went ultra-mental. The game was long gone, but I don't see how, as a Fermanagh player, you couldnt have a smile on your face at the end given the noise from your fans and the last few minutes of absolute madness.

Maybe because I'm walking off the field after losing by 8 points and never looking like winning it? Ara I don't know. Maybe I'm just turning into a narky f**ker.

'Turning'?  :P

Good job you're not turning. It'd take you a week :)

Quote from: haranguerer on August 04, 2015, 10:39:22 AM

A lot has been made of the contrasting free count, having  not seen the game on tv I'd say Fermanagh got one or two that you were thinking were soft enough, but not many more, and I don't remember an incident where Dublin were denied a clear cut free - perhaps watching a replay will clear that up for me though. The reality for me was that we were often too far off in defence, and seemed perhaps overly concerned with preventing goals; the low free count for Dublin an indictment of not being near enough the shooter to put good pressure on them, rather than an indicator of a heavily biased referee. Referees in gaa do have way too much influence on the game though, it is something that needs to be looked at, and I'd definitely be in favour of their matches being reviewed with an assessor after the game so their decisions would have to be explained.

There will have been an assessor in the stands and the ref will receive feedback from them on their performance.

On the free count - my opinion would have been very similar to yours in that maybe Fermanagh got one or two soft frees - bar the first Fermanagh goal I would have said the ref had a very solid performance and got the overwhelming majority of decisions correct - however I can see that goal haunting him a fair bit as it was a woeful one to get wrong.
I would say a large part of the contrasting free count was due to the fact that Fermanagh were constantly running into contact, moving the ball through the hands, especially in terms of bringing the ball out of defence whereas Dublin did a lot more quick kick passing and Fermanagh defenders often weren't even close enough to foul.
Also Dublin were left take their kickouts unopposed and move out of their own half under no pressure whatsoever whereas Dublin were pushing up as afar as possible on Fermanagh's kickouts and constantly putting them under pressure - I think it would be very interesting if there was a breakdown of who in the Dublin team committed the most fouls - really wouldn't be surprised if the Dublin forwards and midfielders featured fairly highly.

Classy statement from Fermanagh GAA to the fans.

QuoteFermanagh GAA would like to thank its fans for their undying support throughout the 2015 season, from the Queens University game in the McKenna Cup on January 4th right through to 210 days later and our defeat to Dublin in the All Ireland Quarter Final.

We have received unrivalled support at all games this season, with some fantastic days in Brewster Park, including the victory over Roscommon a particular highlight.

The atmosphere on the road has been just as good with the draw against Armagh, the victory against Westmeath in Breffni Park and of course the support shown to the players after Sunday's defeat to Dublin.

The Fermanagh GAA players and management team would like to thank all of our supporters for getting behind the County and being the '16th Man' in the crowd and we look forward to welcoming everyone back in the 2016 season in which we will compete in Division 2 of the National Football League.

We will leave no stone unturned in our quest to be the best we can be and with your support we are fully committed in making this happen.

http://fermanagh.gaa.ie/a-message-to-all-our-fermanagh-fans/

Look at the Dublin match in isolation, and fair enough. But it isn't in isolation - it was the sign off on a very good season. The way the game finished also contributed massively - the players would have been clapped off regardless, but the cheering was a result of the last ten min where they scored two goals, and some great points. Those last ten minutes were great craic! And it was in a tongue in cheek way, not 'we're great'. Why not have a good time if you can? I don't think Pete McGrath will settle for 8 point defeats, and I'm sure he'll have made that pretty clear to the players too.

BC, of course the 2004 fermanagh team were better. They had been great since the qualifiers, and took some notable scalps, esp meath who they seemed to knock out every year, and who were good then...But in 2003 they got to the qf and were hammered by Tyrone. We expected better, and it was not a good day, yet in 2004 we had our best year ever, beating Meath, hammering Cork, beating Donegal and Armagh. That teams last hurrah was 2008, and we all said to ourselves, it'll be a long time before we see the like of '04 again, but here is a very young team who perhaps could be as good. It would be great to win an AI, (or anything for that matter), but if we ever were to achieve those giddy heights, I would hope that in doing so our expectations wouldn't become so skewed that we could never again take joy in anything less, as it seems to have done with nearly everyone else.

Quote from: haranguerer on August 04, 2015, 10:39:22 AM
I haven't saw the game on TV yet, but going on what I saw at the match, and my take on it...

Dublin won comfortably, but they weren't comfortable in their performance. And I don't know about complacency going in to the game, but it wasn't a 'foot off the gas' scenario. Fermanagh, particularly in the first half, dominated midfield and the break area, they had the lions share of possession in that first half too (ht stats showed they had 60% of possession), and were largely able to work possession into scoreable positions. Where the difference was was in terms of efficiency; Fermanagh had four opportunities for scores before Dublin had one - Dublin scored theirs however, Fermanagh put three wide and one short. Perhaps in the highlights, it looked like a game whereby Dublin pulled ahead easily enough and took their foot of the pedal, but while Dublin continued to be much more efficient than Fermanagh, they were getting their fill of it out the field. The corrigans and quigley were all able to win ball, and the corrigans and mccusker took players on and more often than not got by them.

For all that, Dublin continued to pull away; Bernard Brogan, although there was slack enough marking at times, was a joy to watch, and the match seemed to be going very much to script. The +14 the bookies had offered seemed to be a benchmark of what would be a decent result for Fermanagh, and 10 down at ht it didn't look that achievable, especially given Dublins propensity for really pulling away in the last 15 min.

It continued in much the same vein in the second half - I didn't see the second half stats; Dublin won more possession round the middle than they had the first, but there were large periods where it was tit for tat, some good scores from Fermanagh being responded to by simple scores by Dublin. The goal shouldn't have counted obviously - the scenario, whereby he hadn't awarded a free straight off, put him a quandary when it was called back and the umpire told him it had crossed the line. He should have cleared his head and taken longer to think about the situation, but what was surprising was that it did seem to rattle Dublin.

That goal was celebrated raucously, and the atmosphere from there til the end was the best prolonged atmosphere I've ever experienced at a gaelic match. It was just having the craic at the scenario, an underdog (altho under no illusions they were going to get beaten) taking the p*ss out of a great team; the hill were booing quigley, who was loving it, Fermanagh were hitting some great scores and also got another goal from a mix up: it was just sheer pantomime, and great craic altogether.

A lot has been made of the contrasting free count, having  not seen the game on tv I'd say Fermanagh got one or two that you were thinking were soft enough, but not many more, and I don't remember an incident where Dublin were denied a clear cut free - perhaps watching a replay will clear that up for me though. The reality for me was that we were often too far off in defence, and seemed perhaps overly concerned with preventing goals; the low free count for Dublin an indictment of not being near enough the shooter to put good pressure on them, rather than an indicator of a heavily biased referee. Referees in gaa do have way too much influence on the game though, it is something that needs to be looked at, and I'd definitely be in favour of their matches being reviewed with an assessor after the game so their decisions would have to be explained.

I note a few have been critical of the fermanagh team being cheered off the field, and the players reacting accordingly, and I can see that an argument could be made that if defeat is celebrated, then perhaps there is a danger it would be settled for...but this fails to take into account the evolution of a team. With each good campaign, the bar is raised. A lot has been learnt from that campaign, and if we were to get through to the QF next year, we'd be expecting more than an honourable defeat no matter who we were up against. We were celebratnig the start of a new era for Fermanagh, and I'd like to think the support gives them a greater incentive to push on.

In relation to Dublin, this hasn't been a bad game for them at all imo. They won easily, but frailties were exposed; Fermanagh were through on goal at least 4 times, and they dominated midfield and breaks for significant periods. These frailties were there, better for them to be exposed now in a win than against Kerry or someone when its too late to recover. They were also probably exaggerated a bit (esp mf) with the changes that were made; perhaps Gavin was trying not to show his hand, either way, I'd much rather have had Dublins game than Kerrys, and I don't think I'd make much distinction as to who actually is in the better position. One thing I would say though it that it seems to me in modern football, despite the defensive systems [and actually because of them] there are goals there for the taking if a bit of nous is used, and the gooch is unmatched for that sort of nous.

+1

Very well written summary of the game.

(However, I'll have to disagree with you on the performance of the referee. Having seen the game again on television later I thought that up to 50% of Fermanagh's frees were soft  ;))

Monaghan has a bigger population than Fermanagh, but only just. Population means feck all really though in grand scheme of things, if you're a rural county with only 20 clubs you'll always have a far smaller pick (Not to mention a load of steel rods)

Honestly though you'd think some people didn't watch the game, Fermanagh took the absolute piss out of Dublin, how could they not laugh going off the pitch? Quigley was winding the dubs up all through the second half. When's the last time you saw an inter county footballer show such enjoyment during a game?

I'm sure they have since had serious reflection on their season and what they plan on next year. McGrath has instilled a bit of belief and I reckon they'll target an Ulster final next year.

Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2015, 10:19:12 AM
McGuinness makes some very good observations in that article and it's part of an overall GAA problem, the growing gulf in standards.

He did.... but... he fell for the oul myth that the black card was brought in because of the Cavanagh tackle v Monaghan.
As we on this Board all know of course  ;) it had been passed by Congress a few moths earlier but wasn't to come into operation till 1/1/2014.

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 04, 2015, 10:40:47 AM

To put things in perspective,  Monaghan has a smaller population than Fermanagh,  8 more clubs.  I know there is a fair Protestant community in Fermanagh but there's a few in Monaghan too, they just play the games!!!    Fermanagh will do well this year, push to a final in Ulster in the next 2 years if the draw is kind but ultimately they will fall back to the nearly men category.  This is the way of things and unless there is a significant change in the club structures and the schools football then there will be no building on this current 'success'.  People are saying how they kept Dublin within 10 points.  If the first 'goal' had not been given I reckon Dublin would have coasted on to a 15 point win.  Let's not fool ourselves any further.

Just to note; Monaghan were Ulster champions in 2013. They played Dublin last year after another final, and the margin of defeat was 17 points. I was at the game and it was utterly over, after 9 minutes. That was Ulster finalists who had just been dethroned as Ulster champions.

Quote from: general_lee on August 04, 2015, 11:13:12 AM
Monaghan has a bigger population than Fermanagh,

They have double the "GAA minded" population of Fermanagh.
Fermanagh have to be quite pleased with their 2015 achievements overall, (yet have no shiny cup or cupeen to show for it all) and were enjoying a rare big Championship day out in Croker so good luck to them.
However will they ever ( or Leitrim, Longford or Carlow ) ever have a big day out with a chance of winning there?

I think it's too early to talk of a crisis, that the top 4-6 are racing away from everyone else. There are a few counties in Leinster in particular who really need to pull their socks instead of cowering behind the population excuse that definitely does not apply to them. The problem is I don't know at what point it is acceptable to talk of a crisis . . .

A large proportion of the free were classic examples of penalising the stronger man.
Some of the Fermanagh forwards are very small & light.
That's not Dublin's problem.
If I tackle someone fairly, and he falls over in the process, that's not a free.

Quote from: deiseach on August 04, 2015, 11:20:22 AM
I think it's  too early to talk of a crisis, that the top 4-6 are racing away from everyone else. There are a few counties in Leinster in particular who really need to pull their socks instead of cowering behind the population excuse that definitely does not apply to them. The problem is I don't know at what point it is acceptable to talk of a crisis . . .

This is the GAA.
It's never too early to talk of a crisis.

Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2015, 11:21:33 AM

Quote from: deiseach on August 04, 2015, 11:20:22 AM
I think it's  too early to talk of a crisis, that the top 4-6 are racing away from everyone else. There are a few counties in Leinster in particular who really need to pull their socks instead of cowering behind the population excuse that definitely does not apply to them. The problem is I don't know at what point it is acceptable to talk of a crisis . . .

This is the GAA.
It's never too early to talk of a crisis.

;D

Quote from: Rossfan on August 04, 2015, 11:17:47 AM

Quote from: general_lee on August 04, 2015, 11:13:12 AM
Monaghan has a bigger population than Fermanagh,

They have double the "GAA minded" population of Fermanagh.
Fermanagh have to be quite pleased with their 2015 achievements overall, (yet have no shiny cup or cupeen to show for it all) and were enjoying a rare big Championship day out in Croker so good luck to them.
However will they ever ( or Leitrim, Longford or Carlow ) ever have a big day out with a chance of winning there?

You're a Roscommon man correct? You tell them !

Quote from: Rossfan on August 04, 2015, 11:17:47 AM

Quote from: general_lee on August 04, 2015, 11:13:12 AM
Monaghan has a bigger population than Fermanagh,

They have double the "GAA minded" population of Fermanagh.
Fermanagh have to be quite pleased with their 2015 achievements overall, (yet have no shiny cup or cupeen to show for it all) and were enjoying a rare big Championship day out in Croker so good luck to them.
However will they ever ( or Leitrim, Longford or Carlow ) ever have a big day out with a chance of winning there?

I don't know why you pick those 4. You could apply the same to about 20-25 other counties including your own.

The gap between the top 3 or 4 is large and getting bigger. The smaller teams just can't do the preparation the bigger teams can. That leavs them miles behind in fitness and conditioning stakes never mind the football side of it.

Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2015, 11:20:30 AM
A large proportion of the free were classic examples of penalising the stronger man.
Some of the Fermanagh forwards are very small & light.
That's not Dublin's problem.
If I tackle someone fairly, and he falls over in the process, that's not a free.

this for me though is probably my biggest bugbear in football in general. A man gets touched (not fouled), goes to ground, what percentage of the time does he get a free? I'd say its a pretty high percentage

The McHughs now &  Dooher, Canavan were the absolute best at 'creating' a foul....a real gear grinder

Yeah, it was Tyrone that started it off.

Quote from: JoG2 on August 04, 2015, 11:31:35 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2015, 11:20:30 AM
A large proportion of the free were classic examples of penalising the stronger man.
Some of the Fermanagh forwards are very small & light.
That's not Dublin's problem.
If I tackle someone fairly, and he falls over in the process, that's not a free.

this for me though is probably my biggest bugbear in football in general. A man gets touched (not fouled), goes to ground, what percentage of the time does he get a free? I'd say its a pretty high percentage

The McHughs now &  Dooher, Canavan were the absolute best at 'creating' a foul....a real gear grinder

Is the biggest bugbear not that its virtually impossible to tackle someone "fairly"

Quote from: Boycey on August 04, 2015, 11:36:07 AM

Quote from: JoG2 on August 04, 2015, 11:31:35 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2015, 11:20:30 AM
A large proportion of the free were classic examples of penalising the stronger man.
Some of the Fermanagh forwards are very small & light.
That's not Dublin's problem.
If I tackle someone fairly, and he falls over in the process, that's not a free.

this for me though is probably my biggest bugbear in football in general. A man gets touched (not fouled), goes to ground, what percentage of the time does he get a free? I'd say its a pretty high percentage

The McHughs now &  Dooher, Canavan were the absolute best at 'creating' a foul....a real gear grinder

Is the biggest bugbear not that its virtually impossible to tackle someone "fairly"

It is, as long as the man with the ball has to play the ball according to the rules as well. If lads are allowed to take 8 steps it's very hard to do anything. But on a hop or a solo, a good near hand tackle can be very effective.

Quote from: JoG2 on August 04, 2015, 11:26:22 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 04, 2015, 11:17:47 AM

Quote from: general_lee on August 04, 2015, 11:13:12 AM
Monaghan has a bigger population than Fermanagh,

They have double the "GAA minded" population of Fermanagh.
Fermanagh have to be quite pleased with their 2015 achievements overall, (yet have no shiny cup or cupeen to show for it all) and were enjoying a rare big Championship day out in Croker so good luck to them.
However will they ever ( or Leitrim, Longford or Carlow ) ever have a big day out with a chance of winning there?

You're a Roscommon man correct? You tell them !

Roscommon a County with 10 All Ireland Titles across the grades, one of very few (Galway/Meath/?? ) Counties to have beaten Kerry in All Ireland Finals in all four grades of football, reached 2 U21 Finals in this decade, Won a Club AI this decade, are now ( maybe briefly) a Div 1 team, Won a Minor AI in the last ten years, Have countless Provincial Titles ( 12 in the 21st Century).
Yeah sure how could we think we might do better than Fermanagh, Leitrim, Carlow or Longford. Mind you the latter aren't doing badly at underage in recent years either.

It's not all about roscommon. Don't forget you were beat by... yes that's right Fermanagh.

There's a massive gap between the top teams and the rest. Massive. About 26 or 27 counties in Ireland would get beat by ,at a minimum, the same as what fermanagh did.

The football has become like the hurling and there are really only 2 or 3 potential winners every year. The rest are nowhere near. The scorelines are beginning to resemble hurling ones too.

Quote from: Rossfan on August 04, 2015, 11:37:52 AM

Quote from: JoG2 on August 04, 2015, 11:26:22 AM

Quote from: Rossfan on August 04, 2015, 11:17:47 AM

Quote from: general_lee on August 04, 2015, 11:13:12 AM
Monaghan has a bigger population than Fermanagh,

They have double the "GAA minded" population of Fermanagh.
Fermanagh have to be quite pleased with their 2015 achievements overall, (yet have no shiny cup or cupeen to show for it all) and were enjoying a rare big Championship day out in Croker so good luck to them.
However will they ever ( or Leitrim, Longford or Carlow ) ever have a big day out with a chance of winning there?

You're a Roscommon man correct? You tell them !

Roscommon a County with 10 All Ireland Titles across the grades, one of very few (Galway/Meath/?? ) Counties to have beaten Kerry in All Ireland Finals in all four grades of football, reached 2 U21 Finals in this decade, Won a Club AI this decade, are now ( maybe briefly) a Div 1 team, Won a Minor AI in the last ten years, Have countless Provincial Titles ( 12 in the 21st Century).
Yeah sure how could we think we might do better than Fermanagh, Leitrim, Carlow or Longford. Mind you the latter aren't doing badly at underage in recent years either.

what has the Roscommon senior football team achieved in recent years in the championship? I wee retrospective look back at 'all grades' is all well and good, but we (you) were discussing the Fermanagh senior football team and their campaign. I could see through if you were from the Kingdom or Dublin. But you're not, you're from Roscommon who would be lumped in with Fermanagh ie teams with little chance of winning cups at senior level

That's my worry. We had people talking about tiered championships early in the year, but last weekend theoretically we had 4 of the best 12 teams in the country playing 4 games. The winning margins were 7 points, 10 points, 27 points and 8 points. And arguably the 10 point game was the closest of the 3. Next weekend I'd expect Tyrone and Monaghan to be very close, and Donegal- Mayo to be likewise. Is there a county in the country that would be close to breaking into the circle of 5-6 teams? Kerry, Dublin, Mayo, Donegal and Monaghan seem to be out in front, with Tyrone probably the ones with the best case to be included in that bunch. Who else is within an asses roar? Anyone else in Ulster? Armagh, Fermanagh, Cavan, Derry, Antrim, Down? Not really. And Ulster would be the one with the best overall standard. In Connacht, maybe Galway are next in line, but Sligo, Roscommon, Leitrim are all a good bit off that. Maybe Roscommon will get a bit closer next year. Leinster is a bit of a wasteland outside the pale. It would be very competitive if you took Dublin away, but competitive at what level? Westmeath, Meath, Kildare and Laois are probably the top 4 in Leinster outside the Dubs, and they are all miles off the likes of Kerry and Mayo. Offaly, Longford, Carlow, Wexford, Louth, Wicklow are all miles off that again. And in Munster, Cork might be dangerous with their heads on right, but there are problems in Cork I think. Tipperary are obviously trying but are still a mile away from the top top teams. Clare, Limerick and Waterford are a level below that. Actually Waterford are on a level below the other teams.

It's not so much that there's a gap, it's that the gap is so wide. To be honest, you could nearly make a 6 team 'premier' division and have another 20 play a very competitive championship, and the bottom 6 play a novice championship. And the teams in the 20 team group are a mile ahead of the bottom 6 and a mile behind the top 6. It'll get really worrying when the level of separation in the middle 20 starts to grow.

Tyrone and Monaghan will be tight but the winner will play Kerry and that may not be so tight. I'd even worry Donegal Mayo may not be so tight as I think Donegal have dropped their standards a good bit(though hope I'm wrong).

I think it's 3 or 4 rather than 5 or 6.

I really don't know who has the potential to drift into those top 3 or 4. With the players cork have they should be a lot better. In Leinster it doesn't look like there's anybody. In munster, while tipp are good underage, it's a massive step up for them and at this stage the step up is looking increasingly large for cork. In connacht I would say once Galway had players but not so sure any more so I'm not even sure there is anyone else there.

Your Kilkenny, Tipp, Galway and Waterford in the hurling are mirrored by Kerry, Donegal, Mayo, Dublin. I'd say it's the same case too. Realistically you'd be very surprised if AI hurling wasn't KK or Tipp and in the football Kerry or Dublin.

I was looking at the hammerings dished out by Dublin and Kerry in the All-Ireland semis in the late 70s/early 80s. Not much has changed.

Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2015, 12:09:35 PM
I was looking at the hammerings dished out by Dublin and Kerry in the All-Ireland semis in the late 70s/early 80s. Not much has changed.

The only thing that has changed is the media exposure. The whole notion of a widening gap is a fallacy. Only 3 'new' teams have won an AI in the last 40 odd years. 20 teams have won titles but if that 8 teams won them from 1957 backwards!  So for the last 60 odd years the cup has been shared between 12 teams with a Kerry and Dublin having 28 of them!!!  The gap has always been there and frankly always will. That's the way of sport and rarely will it change.

My admiration for Fermanagh the last day had nothing to do with the gap of eight points at the end. As a lot of people here have said, there should have been a bigger gulf between the teams. My admiration had to do with their players who seemingly didn't give a f**k about the opposition. Look at the Leinster teams before a game with Dublin, absolutely spilling their pints at the prospect. Frontal charge on Cluxton was never a goal, but was it not heartening to see Quigley didn't give a f**k about Cluxton's reputation? Would you see a Kildare man showing such disrespect? Jeered by the hill, firing over a free from past the 45? Riling the hill after a goal? If you're going to die, die with honour.

Quote from: Darby on August 04, 2015, 12:57:57 PM
My admiration for Fermanagh the last day had nothing to do with the gap of eight points at the end. As a lot of people here have said, there should have been a bigger gulf between the teams. My admiration had to do with their players who seemingly didn't give a f**k about the opposition. Look at the Leinster teams before a game with Dublin, absolutely spilling their pints at the prospect. Frontal charge on Cluxton was never a goal, but was it not heartening to see Quigley didn't give a f**k about Cluxton's reputation? Would you see a Kildare man showing such disrespect? Jeered by the hill, firing over a free from past the 45? Riling the hill after a goal? If you're going to die, die with honour.

Are we talking about Dublin or Fermanagh?
The Dublin players had the indifferent air of a teenager who's forced to have a kick around with his 8 year old cousin while his mother and aunt look out the kitchen window.

I think it's self evident the gap is widening lads. Maybe it's only widening back to the way it was, or maybe it's a cyclical widening. But the top 5 or 6 teams are so far ahead of the next 20 at the moment, that I can't remember anything like it. I'm not talking about Kerry or Dublin in the 70s. I remember the 80s, 90s, 00s etc. in that spell we had a Kerry famine of 11 years, which contributed, and we also had a long period of Dublin being down, which the GAA sought to address in conjunction with the Dublin Co. Board. I don't think there's any question that the 'blanket' (no pun intended) which could be thrown across the top 12 or 13 teams in the 90s and 00s has shrunk considerably down to 5 or 6 at most. So maybe it's always been there before the 90s and 00s, but does that mean we should be happy to go back to that state of affairs?

In sport, you will always have good teams, and bad teams. But your 'mean' shouldn't be so far behind the maximum.

I just read McGuinness' article there at lunch time, and I agree with a lot of what he is saying. He articulated it better than I did as well. However there's a fundamental flaw in the tenet of his article, i.e. that the GAA took action after the Cavanagh foul. The Black Card was brought in in the congress before, it just wasn't due to be implemented until the following year, so Brolly took advantage of the Cavanagh incident to show a 'prime example' of cynical fouling.

But back to the main point, I agree with Jimmy. I found the whole weekend a bit of a worry, and I found Fermanagh's attitude towards the result disconcerting rather than refreshing.

Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2015, 12:09:35 PM
I was looking at the hammerings dished out by Dublin and Kerry in the All-Ireland semis in the late 70s/early 80s. Not much has changed.

http://gaelicstats.com/head-to-head/

Kerry especially more or less got a bye to the all ireland semi final every year other than the odd time Cork gave them a game.

15/06/1986   KERRY   5 - 9   0 - 12   TIPPERARY   CLONMEL   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;
10/06/1984   KERRY   0 - 23   0 - 6   TIPPERARY   TRALEE   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;
26/06/1983   KERRY   5 - 16   2 - 5   TIPPERARY   CLONMEL   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;
03/07/1977   KERRY   3 - 14   0 - 9   TIPPERARY   TRALEE   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;
15/06/1975   KERRY   3 - 13   0 - 9   TIPPERARY   CLONMEL   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;
17/06/1973   KERRY   3 - 11   0 - 5   TIPPERARY   TRALEE   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;
11/06/1972   KERRY   1 - 12   0 - 9   TIPPERARY   CLONMEL   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;
13/06/1971   KERRY   1 - 14   1 - 7   TIPPERARY   KILLARNEY   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;

27/05/1990   KERRY   1 - 23   0 - 13   CLARE   LISTOWEL   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;
06/06/1982   KERRY   1 - 15   0 - 9   CLARE   ENNIS   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;
28/06/1981   KERRY   4 - 17   0 - 6   CLARE   LISTOWEL   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;
01/07/1979   KERRY   9 - 21   1 - 9   CLARE   M MALBAY   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;

29/05/1988   KERRY   3 - 10   1 - 7   WATERFORD   TRALEE   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;
21/06/1987   KERRY   3 - 15   2 - 8   WATERFORD   DUNGARVAN   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;
18/06/1978   KERRY   4 - 27   2 - 8   WATERFORD   KILLARNEY   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;
20/06/1976   KERRY   3 - 17   0 - 6   WATERFORD   DUNGARVAN   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;
16/06/1974   KERRY   7 - 16   0 - 8   WATERFORD   KILLARNEY   CHAMPIONSHIP   MUNSTER   W;

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 01:09:19 PM
I just read McGuinness' article there at lunch time, and I agree with a lot of what he is saying. He articulated it better than I did as well. However there's a fundamental flaw in the tenet of his article, i.e. that the GAA took action after the Cavanagh foul. The Black Card was brought in in the congress before, it just wasn't due to be implemented until the following year, so Brolly took advantage of the Cavanagh incident to show a 'prime example' of cynical fouling.

But back to the main point, I agree with Jimmy. I found the whole weekend a bit of a worry, and I found Fermanagh's attitude towards the result disconcerting rather than refreshing.

I've found the medias attitude towards the result disconcerting. They have really hyped how well Fermanagh did.

Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2015, 01:02:22 PM

Quote from: Darby on August 04, 2015, 12:57:57 PM
My admiration for Fermanagh the last day had nothing to do with the gap of eight points at the end. As a lot of people here have said, there should have been a bigger gulf between the teams. My admiration had to do with their players who seemingly didn't give a f**k about the opposition. Look at the Leinster teams before a game with Dublin, absolutely spilling their pints at the prospect. Frontal charge on Cluxton was never a goal, but was it not heartening to see Quigley didn't give a f**k about Cluxton's reputation? Would you see a Kildare man showing such disrespect? Jeered by the hill, firing over a free from past the 45? Riling the hill after a goal? If you're going to die, die with honour.

Are we talking about Dublin or Fermanagh?
The Dublin players had the indifferent air of a teenager who's forced to have a kick around with his 8 year old cousin while his mother and aunt look out the kitchen window.

Do Dublin ever give a f**k about the opposition in Leinster? No, but the teams they play certainly give a f**k about Dublin. Offaly, Meath, Laois, Kildare, these were all serious football counties. Fermanagh never were. They were always going to die, but died with honour. End of.

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 04, 2015, 01:15:33 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 01:09:19 PM
I just read McGuinness' article there at lunch time, and I agree with a lot of what he is saying. He articulated it better than I did as well. However there's a fundamental flaw in the tenet of his article, i.e. that the GAA took action after the Cavanagh foul. The Black Card was brought in in the congress before, it just wasn't due to be implemented until the following year, so Brolly took advantage of the Cavanagh incident to show a 'prime example' of cynical fouling.

But back to the main point, I agree with Jimmy. I found the whole weekend a bit of a worry, and I found Fermanagh's attitude towards the result disconcerting rather than refreshing.

I've found the medias attitude towards the result disconcerting. They have really hyped how well Fermanagh did.

That too. That's the patronising attitude I was talking about earlier.

To people talking about a second tier, who are you going to put in the top tier if there's 3/4 teams well ahead, 6 at a maximum, you still have to have 10-13 teams, who are they going to be?

Some people have proposed a top tier of 16.
There would be some unmerciful hammerings when the top 4 play the bottom 4.
Ultimately the divisional structure in the NFL is the most equitable.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 01:19:05 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on August 04, 2015, 01:15:33 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 01:09:19 PM
I just read McGuinness' article there at lunch time, and I agree with a lot of what he is saying. He articulated it better than I did as well. However there's a fundamental flaw in the tenet of his article, i.e. that the GAA took action after the Cavanagh foul. The Black Card was brought in in the congress before, it just wasn't due to be implemented until the following year, so Brolly took advantage of the Cavanagh incident to show a 'prime example' of cynical fouling.

But back to the main point, I agree with Jimmy. I found the whole weekend a bit of a worry, and I found Fermanagh's attitude towards the result disconcerting rather than refreshing.

I've found the medias attitude towards the result disconcerting. They have really hyped how well Fermanagh did.

That too. That's the patronising attitude I was talking about earlier.

Fermanagh easily beaten, but fought to the end is the jist of the most positive articles I've seen. Perhaps you've seen others?

A lot of the talk around this game is proving the fact that no matter what occurs, people will interpret it to suit themselves.

In the studio last week, they were lining up a campaign for a two tier championship, and its show piece example was to be this game. This forum is full of disparaging remarks about the Sunday game panellists, yet its also full of their parrots. You can say what you want about how far Fermanagh were away, but the fact of the matter is they were competitive for the whole game. I only saw the stats for one half, but in that half they had 60% of the possession. It was less easy to point to the result or the game itself to back up a misguided campaign, so instead they reference how players and fans reacted to their respectable loss as evidence for the need for a second tier. Its ludicrous.

Structures in the GAA do need overhauling, but the last place they should be even looking at starting is by splitting the flagship competition into two or more tiers. It would be madness.

I don't want multiple tiers!! Jaysus I've been consistent on that for years. But when I see a reaction like Fermanagh's to an 8 point defeat, it makes me wonder. Is that genuinely seen as an achievement worthy of celebration?

Maybe I'm completely misreading their smiles and the rest of it (after the game), but to me it looked like they were celebrating not getting obliterated. Is that what it has come to?

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 02:02:19 PM
I don't want multiple tiers!! Jaysus I've been consistent on that for years. But when I see a reaction like Fermanagh's to an 8 point defeat, it makes me wonder. Is that genuinely seen as an achievement worthy of celebration?

Maybe I'm completely misreading their smiles and the rest of it (after the game), but to me it looked like they were celebrating not getting obliterated. Is that what it has come to?

You could see it before the game. A section of their fans on the Hill pissed as farts and beaten before the ball was thrown in.

It's a fine line celebrating a defeat and being too disappointed about one. But the debate is now tiresome and if I were a Fermanagh fan I'd be embarrassed about being viewed as a gallant loser. They should have left the field then doing a lap of honour celebrating an 8 point defeat.

Reminded me of Dublin doing something similar in 2002 after the replay against Donegal . Despite having won it was an embarrassing ending to the game for a Dublin fan. But then that Dublin team had a lot of things wrong with it. Armagh must have been pissing themselves laughing at us.

Drunk people on the Hill. Won't someone please think of the children?

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 02:02:19 PM
I don't want multiple tiers!! Jaysus I've been consistent on that for years. But when I see a reaction like Fermanagh's to an 8 point defeat, it makes me wonder. Is that genuinely seen as an achievement worthy of celebration?

Maybe I'm completely misreading their smiles and the rest of it (after the game), but to me it looked like they were celebrating not getting obliterated. Is that what it has come to?

Yes, that is what it has come to.

Its laughable that people posting comments on a message board are lecturing other counties players on how they should behave in defeat. I hope that Leitrim, Waterford, Carlow etc are taking note the next time they get to a quarter final to make sure they storm off down the tunnel and ignore their supporters who want to celebrate their seasons journey.

Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2015, 02:15:08 PM
Its laughable that people posting comments on a message board are lecturing other counties players on how they should behave in defeat. I hope that Leitrim, Waterford, Carlow etc are taking note the next time they get to a quarter final to make sure they storm off down the tunnel and ignore their supporters who want to celebrate their seasons journey.

But that's enough about Stephen Cluxton ;)

Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2015, 02:15:08 PM
Its laughable that people posting comments on a message board are lecturing other counties players on how they should behave in defeat. I hope that Leitrim, Waterford, Carlow etc are taking note the next time they get to a quarter final to make sure they storm off down the tunnel and ignore their supporters who want to celebrate their seasons journey.

If that's levelled at me I've lectured my own county in the same post for doing the same in the past.

Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2015, 01:25:07 PM
Some people have proposed a top tier of 16.
There would be some unmerciful hammerings when the top 4 play the bottom 4.
Ultimately the divisional structure in the NFL is the most equitable.

I Disagree. The move to a 4 tier league structure has seen power hoarded towards the top 6. The old 2 tier league allowed a better mix of teams and a more equitable chances come championship time.

It's the same in hurling. The move to the Christy Ring/ Nicky Rackard was heralded as a great idea but has clearly siphoned power down to fewer and fewer teams with each passing year. Antrim, Offaly and Wexford's decline continues unabated, how far away does Offaly's and Wexford's mid 90's success seem now? What are the chances of similar success in the next 3-5 years for these teams?

It dawned on Socrates he was the smartest buck about because he realised he knew nothing. Nowadays every arsehole has an opinion on making football more competitive, and I'd say 99.5% of them will change absolutely f**k all, a good 50% will make the status quo even worse.

PS. The most infuriating aspect of all this is how sleazy and manipulative some fcukers are to peddle their own ideas. None more so than Joe Brolly and his ilk that have even went the step of hijacking the names of the recently deceased to further their own objective. Unable to stand their ideas up on their own merits, poor Paudi O'Se has now been dragged into this to add gravitas to ravings of a jumped-up, four-eyed, motor-mouth.

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Quote from: Jinxy on August 04, 2015, 01:25:07 PM
Some people have proposed a top tier of 16.
There would be some unmerciful hammerings when the top 4 play the bottom 4.
Ultimately the divisional structure in the NFL is the most equitable.

I Disagree. The move to a 4 tier league structure has seen power hoarded towards the top 6. The old 2 tier league allowed a better mix of teams and a more equitable chances come championship time.

It's the same in hurling. The move to the Christy Ring/ Nicky Rackard was heralded as a great idea but has clearly siphoned power down to fewer and fewer teams with each passing year. Antrim, Offaly and Wexford's decline continues unabated, how far away does Offaly's and Wexford's mid 90's success seem now? What are the chances of similar success in the next 3-5 years for these teams?

It dawned on Socrates he was the smartest buck about because he realised he knew nothing. Nowadays every arsehole has an opinion on making football more competitive, and I'd say 99.5% of them will change absolutely f**k all, a good 50% will make the status quo even worse.

PS. The most infuriating aspect of all this is how sleazy and manipulative some fcukers are to peddle their own ideas. None more so than Joe Brolly and his ilk that have even went the step of hijacking the names of the recently deceased to further their own objective. Unable to stand their ideas up on their own merits, poor Paudi O'Se has now been dragged into this to add gravitas to ravings of a jumped-up, four-eyed, motor-mouth.

Myopic at best. Wexford have won the last 3 u21 Leinster hurling titles. Laois have improved. Kerry are back playing A championship hurling for the first time in 10 years.

Offaly and Antrim's decline has a lot to do with themselves. A lot of former Offaly hurlers have great media jobs but I'm always confused as to why they don't get involved at development level. Antrim were invited into the Leinster minor and U21 competitions and keep declining the offer.

Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2015, 02:19:51 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2015, 02:15:08 PM
Its laughable that people posting comments on a message board are lecturing other counties players on how they should behave in defeat. I hope that Leitrim, Waterford, Carlow etc are taking note the next time they get to a quarter final to make sure they storm off down the tunnel and ignore their supporters who want to celebrate their seasons journey.

If that's levelled at me I've lectured my own county in the same post for doing the same in the past.

It was a general comment not directed specifically at you but if your comparing Dublin to Fermanagh it's like comparing Real Madrid to Shamrock Rovers, hardly comparable.

Offaly's decline is ALL to do with ourselves.

Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2015, 02:27:47 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2015, 02:19:51 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2015, 02:15:08 PM
Its laughable that people posting comments on a message board are lecturing other counties players on how they should behave in defeat. I hope that Leitrim, Waterford, Carlow etc are taking note the next time they get to a quarter final to make sure they storm off down the tunnel and ignore their supporters who want to celebrate their seasons journey.

If that's levelled at me I've lectured my own county in the same post for doing the same in the past.

It was a general comment not directed specifically at you but if your comparing Dublin to Fermanagh it's like comparing Real Madrid to Shamrock Rovers, hardly comparable.

I'm not lecturing anyone. Jaysus, how would I be entitled to lecture anyone? I just find it disconcerting. I realise I'm probably in a minority position, but when I was watching it, I found it uncomfortable viewing.

It may surprise some of you to learn that Fermanagh didn't start their campaign against Dublin. The reaction wasn't a reaction to losing gallantly to Dublin. It was celebrating a good season, the start of a new team. At the start of the year, we expected very little, but we got promotion, and a run to a quarter final for the first time in 10 years. Is that not achievement? Should it not be celebrated? People were saying to Jim McG they hoped they wouldn't be annihilated because the Dublin game was their victory lap. They also would have had a bit of hope, but they wouldn't want to sound like eejits saying it aloud. Yous are on saying they shouldn't be going down with an attitude like that, yet the very same people would have pissed themselves laughing if they'd been on here saying we should give them a good game. Make up your minds. Fermanagh had a great year, were justifiably proud, and were right to celebrate that at the close of their season, which happily was after a much better than expected performance v one of the best teams in the country (which, again happily, had a very enjoyable last ten min from a fermanagh perspective).

Next year, expectations will be higher - it will take more to earn applause. Its all relative, and thats the same for every team in the land.

It's a bit mad that some seem to think they've a better understanding of how to behave after a defeat than a double All Ireland winning manager and a squad of players who play at a much higher level than anyone here on bigger stages. If Pete McGrath is grinning from ear to ear after a quarter final I'll trust his judgement that it was something to be happy about. A bit of common sense.

Quote from: haranguerer on August 04, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
It may surprise some of you to learn that Fermanagh didn't start their campaign against Dublin. The reaction wasn't a reaction to losing gallantly to Dublin. It was celebrating a good season, the start of a new team. At the start of the year, we expected very little, but we got promotion, and a run to a quarter final for the first time in 10 years. Is that not achievement? Should it not be celebrated? People were saying to Jim McG they hoped they wouldn't be annihilated because the Dublin game was their victory lap. They also would have had a bit of hope, but they wouldn't want to sound like eejits saying it aloud. Yous are on saying they shouldn't be going down with an attitude like that, yet the very same people would have pissed themselves laughing if they'd been on here saying we should give them a good game. Make up your minds. Fermanagh had a great year, were justifiably proud, and were right to celebrate that at the close of their season, which happily was after a much better than expected performance v one of the best teams in the country (which, again happily, had a very enjoyable last ten min from a fermanagh perspective).

Next year, expectations will be higher - it will take more to earn applause. Its all relative, and thats the same for every team in the land.

So the smiles and happiness was due to reflecting on a good season? Seconds after losing a quarter final? OK. Fair enough, I'm off base if so, but I just can't believe it. I think it was happiness that Dublin didn't blow them away on the scoreboard, but I am willing to admit I might be wrong. It has happened a couple of times in the past that I was wrong :)

Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2015, 02:36:52 PM
It's a bit mad that some seem to think they've a better understanding of how to behave after a defeat than a double All Ireland winning manager and a squad of players who play at a much higher level than anyone here on bigger stages. If Pete McGrath is grinning from ear to ear after a quarter final I'll trust his judgement that it was something to be happy about. A bit of common sense.

Like Jimmy McGuinness?

Quote from: haranguerer on August 04, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
Next year, expectations will be higher - it will take more to earn applause. Its all relative, and thats the same for every team in the land.

This. Although should Fermanagh folk express disappointment at (say) an Ulster final defeat to Donegal, ye'll get lectured for having ideas above your station.

Quote from: deiseach on August 04, 2015, 02:46:40 PM

Quote from: haranguerer on August 04, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
Next year, expectations will be higher - it will take more to earn applause. Its all relative, and thats the same for every team in the land.

This. Although should Fermanagh folk express disappointment at (say) an Ulster final defeat to Donegal, ye'll get lectured for having ideas above your station.

By whom?

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 02:29:38 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2015, 02:27:47 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2015, 02:19:51 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2015, 02:15:08 PM
Its laughable that people posting comments on a message board are lecturing other counties players on how they should behave in defeat. I hope that Leitrim, Waterford, Carlow etc are taking note the next time they get to a quarter final to make sure they storm off down the tunnel and ignore their supporters who want to celebrate their seasons journey.

If that's levelled at me I've lectured my own county in the same post for doing the same in the past.

It was a general comment not directed specifically at you but if your comparing Dublin to Fermanagh it's like comparing Real Madrid to Shamrock Rovers, hardly comparable.

I'm not lecturing anyone. Jaysus, how would I be entitled to lecture anyone? I just find it disconcerting. I realise I'm probably in a minority position, but when I was watching it, I found it uncomfortable viewing.

I have found most of the championship uncomfortable viewing and the Kerry v Kildare match was far worse. The fact that Dublin were considered 1/200 to win a quarter final before a ball was thrown in is a concern for the overall state of the game. Fermanagh doing a lap of honour at the end of their season wouldn't worry me too much. Professional soccer players do it every season after their last home game, often with less justification for it. It doesn't mean that they aren't disappointed but they were probably reacting instinctively to their fans recognition for their seasons achievements. It's a step on the ladder for them but expectations will rise next year and I doubt if a similar result then would be greeted with the same enthusiasm. There appeared to be a bond between players and supporters that had to be acknowledged from the squad.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 02:50:11 PM

Quote from: deiseach on August 04, 2015, 02:46:40 PM

Quote from: haranguerer on August 04, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
Next year, expectations will be higher - it will take more to earn applause. Its all relative, and thats the same for every team in the land.

This. Although should Fermanagh folk express disappointment at (say) an Ulster final defeat to Donegal, ye'll get lectured for having ideas above your station.

By whom?

Not you

*runs*

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 02:44:50 PM

Quote from: haranguerer on August 04, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
It may surprise some of you to learn that Fermanagh didn't start their campaign against Dublin. The reaction wasn't a reaction to losing gallantly to Dublin. It was celebrating a good season, the start of a new team. At the start of the year, we expected very little, but we got promotion, and a run to a quarter final for the first time in 10 years. Is that not achievement? Should it not be celebrated? People were saying to Jim McG they hoped they wouldn't be annihilated because the Dublin game was their victory lap. They also would have had a bit of hope, but they wouldn't want to sound like eejits saying it aloud. Yous are on saying they shouldn't be going down with an attitude like that, yet the very same people would have pissed themselves laughing if they'd been on here saying we should give them a good game. Make up your minds. Fermanagh had a great year, were justifiably proud, and were right to celebrate that at the close of their season, which happily was after a much better than expected performance v one of the best teams in the country (which, again happily, had a very enjoyable last ten min from a fermanagh perspective).

Next year, expectations will be higher - it will take more to earn applause. Its all relative, and thats the same for every team in the land.

So the smiles and happiness was due to reflecting on a good season? Seconds after losing a quarter final? OK. Fair enough, I'm off base if so, but I just can't believe it. I think it was happiness that Dublin didn't blow them away on the scoreboard, but I am willing to admit I might be wrong. It has happened a couple of times in the past that I was wrong :)

I don't think there is any way they would have been coming off the field milking the acclaim if it had been a defeat in say the Leinster championship. It had everything to do with it being an acknowledgement of their seasons achievements imo.

The Kildare performance was way worse than Fermanagh's. Absolutely. I'm not talking about the lap of honour. To be honest I didn't realise they had done that. I'm talking about the smiling and laughing among the players immediately after the game. Anyway, I've done this to death.

And by the way, I'm glad the Fermanagh fans applauded the players efforts on the pitch. It makes a refreshing change from the 'hang them from the highest tree' reactions that we see too often.

From a player's perspective, or a coaches, perspective I found the reaction odd and strange. That's all.

Quote from: deiseach on August 04, 2015, 02:46:40 PM

Quote from: haranguerer on August 04, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
Next year, expectations will be higher - it will take more to earn applause. Its all relative, and thats the same for every team in the land.

This. Although should Fermanagh folk express disappointment at (say) an Ulster final defeat to Donegal, ye'll get lectured for having ideas above your station.

I'd agree with this and what haranguerer said but the talk of the "good season" is all well and good having played well against Dublin. If they'd done a Kildare and lost heavily then I think the rest of the season would have been quickly forgotten.

But the expectation level is up in Fermanagh as are their hopes with talk of Ulster. The Dublin game should bring them on and I agree with Quigley in preferring a run like they've had rather than winning a B competition.

Why is everyone ignoring the elephant in the room????? Talk of multi tiered championships and all that crap is nonsense. Let's look at a few facts. Gaelic football was in good order, many different teams were competing at provincial and All Ireland level. It completely changed from when it was a 2 horse race for most of the 70's and early 80's. Cork and Meath came through, Down, Donegal, Derry won All Irelands, Mayo were getting to finals, Galway won a few, Armagh won their first, Tyrone won 3, Kerry also won a good few in this time but it was way more competitive. At provincial level you had Kildare, Laois, Westmeath, Offaly winning Leinster titles, Sligo, Roscommon and Leitrim winning Connacht titles and anyone could win Ulster nearly. The game has been in great order for the past few decades. What has changed?

The top teams have been backed by huge sums of money! Dublin are the main culprits here. They have had their youth structures paid for by us for the past decade. This has brought talent through that has won them a few All Irelands. On the back of these wins they have got themselves some high level sponsors. These companies are pumping even more money into Dublin GAA. How are the other teams going to compete with this? There's only one way, they have to get there hands on huge sums of money also. Kerry have done this, Mayo have done this, Donegal have done this.

This is the one and only reason the top teams are pushing away from the rest. If you're able to pay for top level people to come in and look after the coaching, gym, nutrition programs and so forth and have your team prepared to a far higher standard than other teams, then it will result in that team having a far higher standard on the pitch. That's just basic common sense. Some teams are operating at a professional level, they're playing against amateur teams. There's only going to be one outcome in this scenario.

It's high level finance that is making the gap grow bigger, what we're left with is numerous whippings in the championship until the rich teams meet together in the latter stages. Eventually people will start to think what's the point of playing the early rounds and just get on with the top boys playing together. We already see it with this tiered system nonsense. Some teams are so far ahead that it will be impossible to reverse the advantages they have at this stage but the game will be ruined in a few years if we don't do anything soon. You can come up with any system you want, you can scrap provincial championships, you can play it on a champions league format but until the issue of financial doping is sorted it wont make one bit of difference.

Quote from: Teo Lurley on August 04, 2015, 03:01:00 PM
Why is everyone ignoring the elephant in the room????? Talk of multi tiered championships and all that crap is nonsense. Let's look at a few facts. Gaelic football was in good order, many different teams were competing at provincial and All Ireland level. It completely changed from when it was a 2 horse race for most of the 70's and early 80's. Cork and Meath came through, Down, Donegal, Derry won All Irelands, Mayo were getting to finals, Galway won a few, Armagh won their first, Tyrone won 3, Kerry also won a good few in this time but it was way more competitive. At provincial level you had Kildare, Laois, Westmeath, Offaly winning Leinster titles, Sligo, Roscommon and Leitrim winning Connacht titles and anyone could win Ulster nearly. The game has been in great order for the past few decades. What has changed?

The top teams have been backed by huge sums of money! Dublin are the main culprits here. They have had their youth structures paid for by us for the past decade. This has brought talent through that has won them a few All Irelands. On the back of these wins they have got themselves some high level sponsors. These companies are pumping even more money into Dublin GAA. How are the other teams going to compete with this? There's only one way, they have to get there hands on huge sums of money also. Kerry have done this, Mayo have done this, Donegal have done this.

This is the one and only reason the top teams are pushing away from the rest. If you're able to pay for top level people to come in and look after the coaching, gym, nutrition programs and so forth and have your team prepared to a far higher standard than other teams, then it will result in that team having a far higher standard on the pitch. That's just basic common sense. Some teams are operating at a professional level, they're playing against amateur teams. There's only going to be one outcome in this scenario.

It's high level finance that is making the gap grow bigger, what we're left with is numerous whippings in the championship until the rich teams meet together in the latter stages. Eventually people will start to think what's the point of playing the early rounds and just get on with the top boys playing together. We already see it with this tiered system nonsense. Some teams are so far ahead that it will be impossible to reverse the advantages they have at this stage but the game will be ruined in a few years if we don't do anything soon. You can come up with any system you want, you can scrap provincial championships, you can play it on a champions league format but until the issue of financial doping is sorted it wont make one bit of difference.

Jaysus you talk some awful shite. If that's the height of Laois intelligence it's no wonder you're as bad as you are

For the multi tier guys, here is the opinion of the ex-Kerry manager about the Christy Ring Cup. I'd fear exactly the same happening in the football.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/the-christy-ring-final-is-played-in-front-of-noone-with-only-the-echo-of-your-own-voice-coming-back-at-you-31421404.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/the-christy-ring-final-is-played-in-front-of-noone-with-only-the-echo-of-your-own-voice-coming-back-at-you-31421404.html)

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 02:53:52 PM
The Kildare performance was way worse than Fermanagh's. Absolutely. I'm not talking about the lap of honour. To be honest I didn't realise they had done that. I'm talking about the smiling and laughing among the players immediately after the game. Anyway, I've done this to death.

And by the way, I'm glad the Fermanagh fans applauded the players efforts on the pitch. It makes a refreshing change from the 'hang them from the highest tree' reactions that we see too often.

From a player's perspective, or a coaches, perspective I found the reaction odd and strange. That's all.

What was seen on Sunday was men enjoying playing football. That is what it is all about!

Quote from: TheOptimist on August 04, 2015, 03:06:22 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 02:53:52 PM
The Kildare performance was way worse than Fermanagh's. Absolutely. I'm not talking about the lap of honour. To be honest I didn't realise they had done that. I'm talking about the smiling and laughing among the players immediately after the game. Anyway, I've done this to death.

And by the way, I'm glad the Fermanagh fans applauded the players efforts on the pitch. It makes a refreshing change from the 'hang them from the highest tree' reactions that we see too often.

From a player's perspective, or a coaches, perspective I found the reaction odd and strange. That's all.

Well you are called The Optimist.

AZ's point is that they seemed to enjoy losing at football.

What was seen on Sunday was men enjoying playing football. That is what it is all about!

Quote from: deiseach on August 04, 2015, 02:46:40 PM

Quote from: haranguerer on August 04, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
Next year, expectations will be higher - it will take more to earn applause. Its all relative, and thats the same for every team in the land.

This. Although should Fermanagh folk express disappointment at (say) an Ulster final defeat to Donegal, ye'll get lectured for having ideas above your station.

Were we beaten by Donegal this year, or any Ulster team, there would have been disappointment. We're not worried or awed by Ulster teams, because we're used to playing them, and have beaten them in the past. Dublin were a different story - never played them before, and they're the best team in the land (although odds have lengthened slightly after Sunday). They also relish putting up big scores, and have battered teams who would be seen as significantly further progressed than Fermanagh. However, now that we've played them, we'll be a lot better for next time, and any defeat will be a disappointment. 

This is also the crux of why it would be madness to split the AI series. The gap would inevitably widen.

Quote from: Esmarelda on August 04, 2015, 03:08:19 PM

Quote from: TheOptimist on August 04, 2015, 03:06:22 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 02:53:52 PM
The Kildare performance was way worse than Fermanagh's. Absolutely. I'm not talking about the lap of honour. To be honest I didn't realise they had done that. I'm talking about the smiling and laughing among the players immediately after the game. Anyway, I've done this to death.

And by the way, I'm glad the Fermanagh fans applauded the players efforts on the pitch. It makes a refreshing change from the 'hang them from the highest tree' reactions that we see too often.

From a player's perspective, or a coaches, perspective I found the reaction odd and strange. That's all.

Well you are called The Optimist.

AZ's point is that they seemed to enjoy losing at football.

What was seen on Sunday was men enjoying playing football. That is what it is all about!

Not quite. I'm sure they didn't enjoy losing as such. But they seemed happy to only lose by 8 points.

Quote from: INDIANA on August 04, 2015, 03:05:07 PM
Jaysus you talk some awful shite. If that's the height of Laois intelligence it's no wonder you're as bad as you are

Money buys success, look at any sport in the world. Give any county in Ireland including Laois the amount of money the Dubs have and watch them fly up the ladder.
You just don't like these facts being pointed out because it means you have to face the reality that the Dubs are doping financially. It's hard to get satisfaction out of victories when you know it's been bought for you.

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 03:05:44 PM
For the multi tier guys, here is the opinion of the ex-Kerry manager about the Christy Ring Cup. I'd fear exactly the same happening in the football.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/the-christy-ring-final-is-played-in-front-of-noone-with-only-the-echo-of-your-own-voice-coming-back-at-you-31421404.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/the-christy-ring-final-is-played-in-front-of-noone-with-only-the-echo-of-your-own-voice-coming-back-at-you-31421404.html)

Interesting read. My cousins come from one of clubs he mentions (Ardfert) and one of my cousins told me that hurling is the game that matters there. Which is something I find disconcerting, given Ardfert are the All-Ireland Intermediate football champions...

Whatever became of Dont [sic] Matter anyway?

Hard to see Cluxton getting another All Star after Sunday's performance. Discuss.

Quote from: Rossfan on August 04, 2015, 11:37:52 AM

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Quote from: general_lee on August 04, 2015, 11:13:12 AM
Monaghan has a bigger population than Fermanagh,

They have double the "GAA minded" population of Fermanagh.
Fermanagh have to be quite pleased with their 2015 achievements overall, (yet have no shiny cup or cupeen to show for it all) and were enjoying a rare big Championship day out in Croker so good luck to them.
However will they ever ( or Leitrim, Longford or Carlow ) ever have a big day out with a chance of winning there?

You're a Roscommon man correct? You tell them !

Roscommon a County with 10 All Ireland Titles across the grades, one of very few (Galway/Meath/?? ) Counties to have beaten Kerry in All Ireland Finals in all four grades of football, reached 2 U21 Finals in this decade, Won a Club AI this decade, are now ( maybe briefly) a Div 1 team, Won a Minor AI in the last ten years, Have countless Provincial Titles ( 12 in the 21st Century).
Yeah sure how could we think we might do better than Fermanagh, Leitrim, Carlow or Longford. Mind you the latter aren't doing badly at underage in recent years either.

Greatest county of all time™

Quote from: Aristo 60 on August 04, 2015, 03:22:33 PM
Hard to see Cluxton getting another All Star after Sunday's performance. Discuss.

Well the mistake he made wasn't nearly as important as the mistake Durcan made in last year's AI final, and that didn't cost him his All Star.

But its from here on in that the keeper All Star will be decided, as will every other All Star. I don't see anyone outside of the top 6 teams picking one up.

Quote from: Esmarelda on August 04, 2015, 03:00:18 PM

I'd agree with this and what haranguerer said but the talk of the "good season" is all well and good having played well against Dublin. If they'd done a Kildare and lost heavily then I think the rest of the season would have been quickly forgotten.

But the expectation level is up in Fermanagh as are their hopes with talk of Ulster. The Dublin game should bring them on and I agree with Quigley in preferring a run like they've had rather than winning a B competition.

Thats it - if Dublin had battered them, we'd have all slipped away with our tails between our legs. Even if we'd lost by 8, but without that last ten min, things would have been quite subdued. You had to be there, we were looking at the scoreboard as they got another point or two, 20 min left, sh*t, point or two back, not so bad, 15 min left...10 min left, there was about 12 or 14 in it, you're hoping they can hang on to as small a margin as possible, then we get a crazy goal, theres only 8 minutes left, they aren;t going to be embarrassed at this stage, you're all laughing at the goal more than celebrating it, then quigley and the hill get involved - as I said, it was pantomime; then with a goal and another few points, everyone was just in great form as it was finishing, relief as much as anything (and thats not defeatist, thats just reality) - and that was reflected at the end, the culmination of a good season.

They didn't do a lap of honour, thats bo**ocks, they hung about before going in just. With the crowd reaction, how could the players not stay out for a while? This is a small county - they know everyone in the stands thats shouting down at them. How could they not be breaking into smiles looking up at their mates acting the eejit in general??

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 03:05:44 PM
For the multi tier guys, here is the opinion of the ex-Kerry manager about the Christy Ring Cup. I'd fear exactly the same happening in the football.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/the-christy-ring-final-is-played-in-front-of-noone-with-only-the-echo-of-your-own-voice-coming-back-at-you-31421404.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/the-christy-ring-final-is-played-in-front-of-noone-with-only-the-echo-of-your-own-voice-coming-back-at-you-31421404.html)

Unlike the thousands who used to attend Kerry hurling games before the CR/NR/LM Cups came along????
Our hurlers were shocking happy with themselves winning the Nicky this year anyway.

Last year Fermanagh got beat by Antrim and Laois and did well in the league. Had you offered them the run they had in the qualifiers at the start of the year they would have bitten your hand off.

All this talk about celebrating defeat. I don't think that's what it was. The match at the weekend was bonus territory and the fans were recognising the effort the players had put in all year and the fact that they had surpassed their aims for the season.

Not every team can win the championship. . . can  progress not be celebrated? Is every team who doesn't get their hands on Sam Maguire ultimately a failure?

What's the point if that's the case? Fermanagh had a good year and got to showcase their talents in front of 58 odd thousand in Croke Park. The total population of Fermanagh is 61,000 and half of that Protestant who wouldn't look at football.

They did well this year and I for the life of me can't understand why people are having a go!!

Jeez lads – an awful lot of guff being posted on here. Supporter reactions do not equal player reactions.
The Fermanagh players standing in front of me in the Hogan Stand were a sombre looking bunch, as you'd expect after a comprehensive 8pt defeat. To me they seemed embarrassed and awkward with what was happening around them, and Eoin Donnelly, who has been a fantastic captain this year, made a number of attempts to get the players towards the tunnel. There seemed to be a few light hearted comments between Dublin & Fermanagh players immediately after the game – I'd imagine Sean's goal being the main topic.
The supporters, myself included, got a bit over-excited, but that was driven by the last 15minutes – the Sean/Cluxton incident, the booing from the Hill & some good scores from Sean and Conall Jones towards the end of the match. Appreciation for a better season than any of us expected. Applauding the supporters in the circumstances was the right thing to do – and I think was more a consequence of the majority of Fermanagh supporters being in the Hogan Stand around the tunnel area. Perhaps if we had the budget for a PR company the players may have been instructed differently. There was no "lap of honour", as some seem to be suggesting.
Surprised at McGuinness comments on player/family interaction which probably happens at least a good hour after the game has ended. If family are slapping you on the back and telling you they are proud of what you achieved this year – how is a player supposed to react?

With all due respect screen, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said they hadn't performed fairly well on the day, I also didn't say they hadn't had a good year, or that they had no right to be happy with their year. I never said every team has to win Sam or be a failure.

But normally, in my opinion, these sort of reflections tend to come in the days and weeks after you finish for the year. This reaction was immediately after losing by 8 points. I do not believe it was a reaction to the year they had. I believe it was happiness to not have been obliterated, and that's why I found it disconcerting.

As I said, I might be wrong, and I am not 'having a go'.

Quote from: Erne Man on August 04, 2015, 03:50:34 PM
Jeez lads – an awful lot of guff being posted on here. Supporter reactions do not equal player reactions.
The Fermanagh players standing in front of me in the Hogan Stand were a sombre looking bunch, as you'd expect after a comprehensive 8pt defeat. To me they seemed embarrassed and awkward with what was happening around them, and Eoin Donnelly, who has been a fantastic captain this year, made a number of attempts to get the players towards the tunnel. There seemed to be a few light hearted comments between Dublin & Fermanagh players immediately after the game – I'd imagine Sean's goal being the main topic.
The supporters, myself included, got a bit over-excited, but that was driven by the last 15minutes – the Sean/Cluxton incident, the booing from the Hill & some good scores from Sean and Conall Jones towards the end of the match. Appreciation for a better season than any of us expected. Applauding the supporters in the circumstances was the right thing to do – and I think was more a consequence of the majority of Fermanagh supporters being in the Hogan Stand around the tunnel area. Perhaps if we had the budget for a PR company the players may have been instructed differently. There was no "lap of honour", as some seem to be suggesting.
Surprised at McGuinness comments on player/family interaction which probably happens at least a good hour after the game has ended. If family are slapping you on the back and telling you they are proud of what you achieved this year – how is a player supposed to react?

Erne Man, what I am talking about was immediately after the final whistle. It was the players together on the pitch, smiling and looking relieved.

I have no problem with them interacting with their fans and friends, in fact it's one of the great things about our games. I have no problem with them being proud of their efforts over the year, or of the fans standing 100% behind them. That's all good stuff.

I just thought the reaction IMMEDIATELY on the final whistle was strange, and not one I was expecting from any team losing a game like that.

Quote from: Aristo 60 on August 04, 2015, 03:22:33 PM
Hard to see Cluxton getting another All Star after Sunday's performance. Discuss.

There are very few players in any position who contribute as much to the overall performance of their team as Stephen Cluxton does to Dublin. He is irreplaceable at the moment and well deserving of an All Star.

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 04, 2015, 03:58:22 PM

Quote from: Aristo 60 on August 04, 2015, 03:22:33 PM
Hard to see Cluxton getting another All Star after Sunday's performance. Discuss.

There are very few players in any position who contribute as much to the overall performance of their team as Stephen Cluxton does to Dublin. He is irreplaceable at the moment and well deserving of an All Star.

Ye've only made the semi-final ffs! No one deserves an All-Star yet, particularly by the standards of All-Stars, ie ignoring everything up till late August.

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Quote from: Aristo 60 on August 04, 2015, 03:22:33 PM
Hard to see Cluxton getting another All Star after Sunday's performance. Discuss.

There are very few players in any position who contribute as much to the overall performance of their team as Stephen Cluxton does to Dublin. He is irreplaceable at the moment and well deserving of an All Star.

Ye've only made the semi-final ffs! No one deserves an All-Star yet, particularly by the standards of All-Stars, ie ignoring everything up till late August.

You have a point there  ;)

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 03:53:34 PM

Quote from: Erne Man on August 04, 2015, 03:50:34 PM
Jeez lads – an awful lot of guff being posted on here. Supporter reactions do not equal player reactions.
The Fermanagh players standing in front of me in the Hogan Stand were a sombre looking bunch, as you'd expect after a comprehensive 8pt defeat. To me they seemed embarrassed and awkward with what was happening around them, and Eoin Donnelly, who has been a fantastic captain this year, made a number of attempts to get the players towards the tunnel. There seemed to be a few light hearted comments between Dublin & Fermanagh players immediately after the game – I'd imagine Sean's goal being the main topic.
The supporters, myself included, got a bit over-excited, but that was driven by the last 15minutes – the Sean/Cluxton incident, the booing from the Hill & some good scores from Sean and Conall Jones towards the end of the match. Appreciation for a better season than any of us expected. Applauding the supporters in the circumstances was the right thing to do – and I think was more a consequence of the majority of Fermanagh supporters being in the Hogan Stand around the tunnel area. Perhaps if we had the budget for a PR company the players may have been instructed differently. There was no "lap of honour", as some seem to be suggesting.
Surprised at McGuinness comments on player/family interaction which probably happens at least a good hour after the game has ended. If family are slapping you on the back and telling you they are proud of what you achieved this year – how is a player supposed to react?

Erne Man, what I am talking about was immediately after the final whistle. It was the players together on the pitch, smiling and looking relieved.

I have no problem with them interacting with their fans and friends, in fact it's one of the great things about our games. I have no problem with them being proud of their efforts over the year, or of the fans standing 100% behind them. That's all good stuff.

I just thought the reaction IMMEDIATELY on the final whistle was strange, and not one I was expecting from any team losing a game like that.

You have explained yourself a number of times, but you're just ignoring what people (who were at the match) are saying in response.

The laughing and smiling at the end was totally to do with the two calamitous goals and nothing to do with being happy about not being hammered. And it was far from every player who was laughing and smiling.

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Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 03:53:34 PM

Quote from: Erne Man on August 04, 2015, 03:50:34 PM
Jeez lads – an awful lot of guff being posted on here. Supporter reactions do not equal player reactions.
The Fermanagh players standing in front of me in the Hogan Stand were a sombre looking bunch, as you'd expect after a comprehensive 8pt defeat. To me they seemed embarrassed and awkward with what was happening around them, and Eoin Donnelly, who has been a fantastic captain this year, made a number of attempts to get the players towards the tunnel. There seemed to be a few light hearted comments between Dublin & Fermanagh players immediately after the game – I'd imagine Sean's goal being the main topic.
The supporters, myself included, got a bit over-excited, but that was driven by the last 15minutes – the Sean/Cluxton incident, the booing from the Hill & some good scores from Sean and Conall Jones towards the end of the match. Appreciation for a better season than any of us expected. Applauding the supporters in the circumstances was the right thing to do – and I think was more a consequence of the majority of Fermanagh supporters being in the Hogan Stand around the tunnel area. Perhaps if we had the budget for a PR company the players may have been instructed differently. There was no "lap of honour", as some seem to be suggesting.
Surprised at McGuinness comments on player/family interaction which probably happens at least a good hour after the game has ended. If family are slapping you on the back and telling you they are proud of what you achieved this year – how is a player supposed to react?

Erne Man, what I am talking about was immediately after the final whistle. It was the players together on the pitch, smiling and looking relieved.

I have no problem with them interacting with their fans and friends, in fact it's one of the great things about our games. I have no problem with them being proud of their efforts over the year, or of the fans standing 100% behind them. That's all good stuff.

I just thought the reaction IMMEDIATELY on the final whistle was strange, and not one I was expecting from any team losing a game like that.

You have explained yourself a number of times, but you're just ignoring what people (who were at the match) are saying in response.

The laughing and smiling at the end was totally to do with the two calamitous goals and nothing to do with being happy about not being hammered. And it was far from every player who was laughing and smiling.

Fair enough. I don't think I'm ignoring what people are saying though, I just don't believe it's because of some sort of review of the year. You seem to think it's because of the nature of the two goals so it's actually you ignoring what the lads are saying :). If it's the latter, then fine. I still think it's weird after losing a quarter final, but fair enough.

I'm not ignoring anyone though, I'm just disagreeing :)

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Quote from: Hound on August 04, 2015, 04:11:29 PM

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2015, 03:53:34 PM

Quote from: Erne Man on August 04, 2015, 03:50:34 PM
Jeez lads – an awful lot of guff being posted on here. Supporter reactions do not equal player reactions.
The Fermanagh players standing in front of me in the Hogan Stand were a sombre looking bunch, as you'd expect after a comprehensive 8pt defeat. To me they seemed embarrassed and awkward with what was happening around them, and Eoin Donnelly, who has been a fantastic captain this year, made a number of attempts to get the players towards the tunnel. There seemed to be a few light hearted comments between Dublin & Fermanagh players immediately after the game – I'd imagine Sean's goal being the main topic.
The supporters, myself included, got a bit over-excited, but that was driven by the last 15minutes – the Sean/Cluxton incident, the booing from the Hill & some good scores from Sean and Conall Jones towards the end of the match. Appreciation for a better season than any of us expected. Applauding the supporters in the circumstances was the right thing to do – and I think was more a consequence of the majority of Fermanagh supporters being in the Hogan Stand around the tunnel area. Perhaps if we had the budget for a PR company the players may have been instructed differently. There was no "lap of honour", as some seem to be suggesting.
Surprised at McGuinness comments on player/family interaction which probably happens at least a good hour after the game has ended. If family are slapping you on the back and telling you they are proud of what you achieved this year – how is a player supposed to react?

Erne Man, what I am talking about was immediately after the final whistle. It was the players together on the pitch, smiling and looking relieved.

I have no problem with them interacting with their fans and friends, in fact it's one of the great things about our games. I have no problem with them being proud of their efforts over the year, or of the fans standing 100% behind them. That's all good stuff.

I just thought the reaction IMMEDIATELY on the final whistle was strange, and not one I was expecting from any team losing a game like that.

You have explained yourself a number of times, but you're just ignoring what people (who were at the match) are saying in response.

The laughing and smiling at the end was totally to do with the two calamitous goals and nothing to do with being happy about not being hammered. And it was far from every player who was laughing and smiling.

Fair enough. I don't think I'm ignoring what people are saying though, I just don't believe it's because of some sort of review of the year. You seem to think it's because of the nature of the two goals so it's actually you ignoring what the lads are saying :). If it's the latter, then fine. I still think it's weird after losing a quarter final, but fair enough.

I'm not ignoring anyone though, I'm just disagreeing :)

The review of the year was the acknowledements to the crowd.
The laughing was the goals - probably one of those jokes were "you had to be there"!

Fair enough. Didn't come across like that, but I'll take your word for it. It's credible :)

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I was looking at the hammerings dished out by Dublin and Kerry in the All-Ireland semis in the late 70s/early 80s. Not much has changed.

The only thing that has changed is the media exposure. The whole notion of a widening gap is a fallacy. Only 3 'new' teams have won an AI in the last 40 odd years. 20 teams have won titles but if that 8 teams won them from 1957 backwards!  So for the last 60 odd years the cup has been shared between 12 teams with a Kerry and Dublin having 28 of them!!!  The gap has always been there and frankly always will. That's the way of sport and rarely will it change.

Another thing that has changed is the qualifiers - it gave Kildare a 2nd bit of the cherry in terms of getting a hammering.
I'd imagine that for a fair chunk of the bottom 16 teams that if they were drawn against Dublin and Kerry in the same year, the odds of receiving 2 hammerings would be fairly high.
Before the qualifiers the worst teams only had to worry about receiving 1 hammering - now depending on how the qualifier draw goes, they have to worry about two.

The record of the Division 4 teams this year was played 20, lost 17.
2 of the wins were where 1 Division 4 side played another and the sole win against a team outside Division 4 was Laois's disaster against Antrim. Forget the talk about a two tier system the bottom-level needs to be kept apart from the middle level otherwise there will still be teams just making up the numbers and not competing. If they are not going to be competing for Sam anyway, at least have them at a level where they get competitive games.

Dublin deserve the most funding. Do they deserve 51% of the funding? No. They get 1.46 million from central council, Cork are in 2nd with 69,000. But at least Cork, Tipp, Kerry, Kilkenny, Mayo etc can attract excellent sponsors and fundraising. Professional approach has gone through the roof since 2003, and now money is more important than ever. Even up what you give to everyone, see a difference. It's not rocket science.

For the record, I'm not bashing Dublin. Dublin and Kerry are not just helped by cash. They both have an outstanding tradition which has helped breed success.

Where to begin? I think it's better to start at the beginning.
At the start of the year Fermanagh were third favourites to get relegated to division 4. We were not given a chance of promotion and McGrath would have been under a bit of pressure as some Fermanagh people were questioning his tactics and if he could adapt to the modern game.  We had lost another couple of quality footballers to retirement in Barry Owens and Tommy McElroy and we had a largely young untested team. 
We won promotion quite convincingly finishing top of the league and were then defeated in a league final by Armagh. 
Beat Antrim in the first round despite playing terribly and had managed to keep in touch of Monaghan until we had a man sent off.   Then we hit the qualifiers where McGrath set the team a target of playing football in August which they achieved.
Then we played Dublin and got beat despite a spirited last 10 minutes.The scenes at the end of the match were a lot to do with where the majority of the Fermanagh were sitting which was around the middle of the Hogan.
What choice did the players have? Walk down the tunnel in a huff, ignore the fans ? I can just imagine what sort of reaction that would have gotten.   All they did was thank the supporters for there support but if you listened to most of the Fermanagh interviews after the match you could see the focus was all ready about an Ulster title next year.  That has to be the focus.
In fairness to Fermanagh we are blessed in having a first class school that has been producing county footballers for the last 25 years in St Michael's and we have been very competitive at schools level across Ulster.  But our underage record has been terrible.  We have won one or two minor games in the last 20 years.  That's where our issue is.  That's why Club Eirne was reformed this year as a way of raising money for the county.  According to an interview in last weeks paper we have now over 120 members each giving between £500 and £1000 per year.   Events like a qualifier run make that an easier sell. 
We also have a number of players who have not made themselves available for one reason or another ( and I do not include Seamie Quigley in that as that ship has sailed FFS Malachy O'Rourke, Peter Canavan and now Pete McGrath have now all omitted him from there panels for one reason or another). Next year should be an easier sell to some of those players who will have seen how much the Fermanagh set up has progressed.
In 2003 we got thumped by Tyrone in an All Ireland quarter final.  17 points I believe.  A year later we were back and managed to get to the next stage. The 04 team were a special group of lads but always remember some of the best players in the county refused to play for them that year.  A certain Donegal manager springs to mind.

As for Jim's article I think he missed the point.  In fact I remember Donegal getting a hammering one year from Mayo in a quarter or semi final by at least 10 points I think and they regrouped even better the next year.  He has a short memory.  As others have stated if the Gaa really want to help weaker counties they will increase funding. Any 'a' and ''b' tiered championship will just increase the gap between top and bottom. Crowds will be there for the 'a' tier games but it will be die hards only for the 'b' games.  That means even less money at the gate for the weaker counties. The issue is funding and the Gaa have to deal with it. 

Fermanagh had a good year and the hope now is to build on it next year in division 2 and then push on for that Ulster title.

Oh and Cluxton made a mistake.  He's the best keeper in Ireland by a country mile.  The pinpoint accuracy of his kickouts was amazing.

I might be in the minority but I watched the game back and I don't see all these players who were celebrating getting beaten?? I Have spoken to a few of the players since and they were somewhere between bemused and grateful for all the support and goodwill they had received this year. Obviously they shouldn't have stayed on the pitch and acknowledged their families, club mates, friends and neighbours but they stupidly thought that the GAA had something to do with communities in their uncoached and poorly media trained minds.

Personally I would rather have a team that is able to acknowledge that they lost to a better team, rather than blame fixture scheduling, referee's and every other reason & conspiracy under than sun.  ::)

As a Fermanagh man I am proud of the team doing close to their best (not their best, as I believe there is more to come) but all success is relative and at the end of the day there will be 31 failures of counties in Ireland based on the criteria in this thread, and come the 3rd weekend in September I have no doubt Dublin will be 1 of 31

Ignore the cynical bastards

Quote from: FermGael on August 04, 2015, 10:55:34 PM
Where to begin? I think it's better to start at the beginning.
At the start of the year Fermanagh were third favourites to get relegated to division 4. We were not given a chance of promotion and McGrath would have been under a bit of pressure as some Fermanagh people were questioning his tactics and if he could adapt to the modern game.  We had lost another couple of quality footballers to retirement in Barry Owens and Tommy McElroy and we had a largely young untested team. 
We won promotion quite convincingly finishing top of the league and were then defeated in a league final by Armagh. 
Beat Antrim in the first round despite playing terribly and had managed to keep in touch of Monaghan until we had a man sent off.   Then we hit the qualifiers where McGrath set the team a target of playing football in August which they achieved.
Then we played Dublin and got beat despite a spirited last 10 minutes.The scenes at the end of the match were a lot to do with where the majority of the Fermanagh were sitting which was around the middle of the Hogan.
What choice did the players have? Walk down the tunnel in a huff, ignore the fans ? I can just imagine what sort of reaction that would have gotten.   All they did was thank the supporters for there support but if you listened to most of the Fermanagh interviews after the match you could see the focus was all ready about an Ulster title next year.  That has to be the focus.
In fairness to Fermanagh we are blessed in having a first class school that has been producing county footballers for the last 25 years in St Michael's and we have been very competitive at schools level across Ulster.  But our underage record has been terrible.  We have won one or two minor games in the last 20 years.  That's where our issue is.  That's why Club Eirne was reformed this year as a way of raising money for the county.  According to an interview in last weeks paper we have now over 120 members each giving between £500 and £1000 per year.   Events like a qualifier run make that an easier sell. 
We also have a number of players who have not made themselves available for one reason or another ( and I do not include Seamie Quigley in that as that ship has sailed FFS Malachy O'Rourke, Peter Canavan and now Pete McGrath have now all omitted him from there panels for one reason or another). Next year should be an easier sell to some of those players who will have seen how much the Fermanagh set up has progressed.
In 2003 we got thumped by Tyrone in an All Ireland quarter final.  17 points I believe.  A year later we were back and managed to get to the next stage. The 04 team were a special group of lads but always remember some of the best players in the county refused to play for them that year.  A certain Donegal manager springs to mind.

As for Jim's article I think he missed the point.  In fact I remember Donegal getting a hammering one year from Mayo in a quarter or semi final by at least 10 points I think and they regrouped even better the next year.  He has a short memory.  As others have stated if the Gaa really want to help weaker counties they will increase funding. Any 'a' and ''b' tiered championship will just increase the gap between top and bottom. Crowds will be there for the 'a' tier games but it will be die hards only for the 'b' games.  That means even less money at the gate for the weaker counties. The issue is funding and the Gaa have to deal with it. 

Fermanagh had a good year and the hope now is to build on it next year in division 2 and then push on for that Ulster title.

Oh and Cluxton made a mistake.  He's the best keeper in Ireland by a country mile.  The pinpoint accuracy of his kickouts was amazing.

Forgot that. p***k.

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Monaghan has a bigger population than Fermanagh,

They have double the "GAA minded" population of Fermanagh.
Fermanagh have to be quite pleased with their 2015 achievements overall, (yet have no shiny cup or cupeen to show for it all) and were enjoying a rare big Championship day out in Croker so good luck to them.
However will they ever ( or Leitrim, Longford or Carlow ) ever have a big day out with a chance of winning there?

You're a Roscommon man correct? You tell them !

Roscommon a County with 10 All Ireland Titles across the grades, one of very few (Galway/Meath/?? ) Counties to have beaten Kerry in All Ireland Finals in all four grades of football, reached 2 U21 Finals in this decade, Won a Club AI this decade, are now ( maybe briefly) a Div 1 team, Won a Minor AI in the last ten years, Have countless Provincial Titles ( 12 in the 21st Century).
Yeah sure how could we think we might do better than Fermanagh, Leitrim, Carlow or Longford. Mind you the latter aren't doing badly at underage in recent years either.

Greatest county of all time™

Tyrone have also beaten Kerry in minor, u-21 and senior finals.