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On March the 7th 2015 Tyrone make the painful trip back to Dublin to meet the AIG(Dubs) in their own backyard, sorry I mean GAA HQ.

With it being my birthday and us (www.tad.ie (http://www.tad.ie)) planning a big night on the 6th at the Tyrone owned Lansdowne Hotel, I decided to get this thread started early to give ye all a bit of notice and to book a hotel.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/329662576095/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/329662576095/)

Noel McGinn and the TeamTalkMag.com team are coming down to stream the night live with us having Charlie Redmond as our star guest on the night to re-live that moment when he wasn't really sent off at all. Charlie has the real story that will put our minds all at rest so we can forgive the poor Dubs for this travesty once and for all and get back to hating Meath and Armagh.

By the way does anyone know Paddy Russell's email address?

Also found this little thread in my research. Where is the one on here?
http://www.hoganstand.com/Clare/MessagePage.aspx?PageNumber=0&TopicID=16827 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Clare/MessagePage.aspx?PageNumber=0&TopicID=16827)

paddyrussell@offtheground.ie

I suggest deleting the above, any email here will be flooded with spam.

This match was shown again on TG4 recently and I can remember thinking how sh*te both teams were

It was a heroic win by 14 man Dublin.

Isn't it amazing in Gaelic football the way having a man sent off seems to make no difference. It even helps sometimes.

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 27, 2015, 05:38:07 PM
It was a heroic win by 14 man Dublin.

Isn't it amazing in Gaelic football the way having a man sent off seems to make no difference. It even helps sometimes.

I thought that Dub team would never win the all ireland. Charlie Redmond went through hell before he got his medal. They lost big matches to Donegal, Derry and then Down.

Will Bernard Brogan be starting in this one?

AI final rivalry? What the hell does that mean?

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 27, 2015, 05:38:07 PM
It was a heroic win by 14 man Dublin.

Isn't it amazing in Gaelic football the way having a man sent off seems to make no difference. It even helps sometimes.

Of course it helps if the player in question doesn't actually leave the pitch.

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 02, 2015, 04:16:43 PM
Will Bernard Brogan be starting in this one?

Id imagine so

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 27, 2015, 05:38:07 PM
It was a heroic win by 14 man Dublin.

Isn't it amazing in Gaelic football the way having a man sent off seems to make no difference. It even helps sometimes.

Especially when he doesn't go off.

Dubs will be well in the mire if they lose this one.
They are too good to be relegated but could be a last day survival act.

Quote from: Jinxy on March 02, 2015, 06:05:22 PM

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on February 27, 2015, 05:38:07 PM
It was a heroic win by 14 man Dublin.

Isn't it amazing in Gaelic football the way having a man sent off seems to make no difference. It even helps sometimes.

Especially when he doesn't go off.

true enough..did he actually touch the ball between the "first" sending off and actually leaving the field ?

Does it really matter if he touched it or not. He occupied defenders who otherwise could have been pushed up the field.  Not to worry though as we got there in the end. Just a pity for some of the players from that team

G 20 years later and still cant take their beating, maybe if some forward but peter scored you won the damn thing

Quote from: An Watcher on March 02, 2015, 11:11:29 PM
Does it really matter if he touched it or not. He occupied defenders who otherwise could have been pushed up the field.  Not to worry though as we got there in the end. Just a pity for some of the players from that team

Of course it matters. If he never touched the ball then I fail to see how he could have affected the result ?

Why are you Tyrone lads so paranoid  about this ::)

Quote from: Mike Sheehy on March 03, 2015, 12:27:43 AM

Quote from: An Watcher on March 02, 2015, 11:11:29 PM
Does it really matter if he touched it or not. He occupied defenders who otherwise could have been pushed up the field.  Not to worry though as we got there in the end. Just a pity for some of the players from that team

Of course it matters. If he never touched the ball then I fail to see how he could have affected the result ?

Why are you Tyrone lads so paranoid  about this ::)

You used to be better at this. Has stalking Seafoid for so long meant you have lost your mojo?

Yes he was involved in an attack.

What you tend not to hear from some Tyrone posters here about that game is balance.

Tyrone got imo anyway some huge refereeing breaks in the 2003 AIF * and a soft penalty against Dublin in 2005 replay for example. There are probably more examples and there isn't a county in Ireland that hasn't been harshly treated or benefited from lady luck and borderline refereeing decisions.

Iirc the freecount in the 1995 final was heavily weighed in favour of Tyrone.

All a long time ago anyway.

* Apologies for allowing Armagh posters to pile in to the thread.

We got what our performance deserved that day.Having watched the game numerous times it was a poor display from a Tyrone team which relied too heavily on the one man.

Quote from: Canalman on March 03, 2015, 09:20:36 AM
What you tend not to hear from some Tyrone posters here about that game is balance.

Tyrone got imo anyway some huge refereeing breaks in the 2003 AIF * and a soft penalty against Dublin in 2005 replay for example. There are probably more examples and there isn't a county in Ireland that hasn't been harshly treated or benefited from lady luck and borderline refereeing decisions.

Iirc the freecount in the 1995 final was heavily weighed in favour of Tyrone.

All a long time ago anyway.

* Apologies for allowing Armagh posters to pile in to the thread.

I always hate the free count statistic - the freecount 'for' is always going to be higher if the opposition fouls more often.  The simple fact regarding the 1995 final is that a player was sent-off and did not immediately leave the pitch and a legitimate point to equalise was not given.  The fair result in that game would have been a draw.  I was too young to remember the aftermath, but was there no big push for a replay or anything like that? 

I think the County board issued a statement the following day saying there would be no appeal going in.

The sad thing was Dublin were crap that day too. 

Anyway lads.
This Sats game suddenly means a lot more to both teams. With both dropping more points at the weekend both will be keen to get back to winning ways.
Tyrone will be hoping to emulate the Mayo performance  combined with the lads upping their performance with the Croke park big crowd, Fuzz's birthday thing.
Dublin will be hurting a bit after Kerry's style of softening them up.
It's been s while since we beat the Dubs but sadly I can't see it happen this weekend.

A bit like Donegal, Monaghan and Cork we seem to no longer have the psychological edge over teams any more.
Hopefully its like the league final 2 years ago but I fear we have gone backwards under our current management but then I was shocked by the Mayo victory. I expect Dubs to play a much more potent forward line this time out.
Dublin by 6

I just hope Tyrone can match the physicality of the Dubs as patently illustrated in THE BATTLE OF KILLARNEY

http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/classic-all-ireland-finals-dublin-v-2280363 (http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/classic-all-ireland-finals-dublin-v-2280363)

Quote from: An Watcher on March 02, 2015, 11:11:29 PM
Does it really matter if he touched it or not. He occupied defenders who otherwise could have been pushed up the field.  Not to worry though as we got there in the end. Just a pity for some of the players from that team

The Redmond fiasco and the wrongly disallowed point were heartbreaking at the time but ultimately Tyrone didn't play well enough on the day. It was far from a vintage Dublin team and I reckon one of the weakest All-Ireland winning sides in recent memory. But only two Tyrone men scored and the majority of the scores were from frees. Easy to blame the ref but Tyrone just didn't do enough that day.

Very tough for Tyrone this weekend but they have done reasonably well against the Dubs in the league in recent years so you never know. Even a draw would be a very good result.

Tyrone will give the dubs their fill of it this Saturday. Kerry and done gal have shown up a soft centre.  I'd say gavin is a worried man.

Quote from: rrhf on March 04, 2015, 10:54:01 PM
Tyrone will give the dubs their fill of it this Saturday. Kerry and done gal have shown up a soft centre.  I'd say gavin is a worried man.

eh?

Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 04, 2015, 08:23:19 PM

Quote from: An Watcher on March 02, 2015, 11:11:29 PM
Does it really matter if he touched it or not. He occupied defenders who otherwise could have been pushed up the field.  Not to worry though as we got there in the end. Just a pity for some of the players from that team

The Redmond fiasco and the wrongly disallowed point were heartbreaking at the time but ultimately Tyrone didn't play well enough on the day. It was far from a vintage Dublin team and I reckon one of the weakest All-Ireland winning sides in recent memory. But only two Tyrone men scored and the majority of the scores were from frees. Easy to blame the ref but Tyrone just didn't do enough that day.

Very tough for Tyrone this weekend but they have done reasonably well against the Dubs in the league in recent years so you never know. Even a draw would be a very good result.

It ultimately wasn't their own performance though that decided the game, it was 2 bad calls made from the referee.

Quote from: nrico2006 on March 05, 2015, 08:10:29 AM

Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 04, 2015, 08:23:19 PM

Quote from: An Watcher on March 02, 2015, 11:11:29 PM
Does it really matter if he touched it or not. He occupied defenders who otherwise could have been pushed up the field.  Not to worry though as we got there in the end. Just a pity for some of the players from that team

The Redmond fiasco and the wrongly disallowed point were heartbreaking at the time but ultimately Tyrone didn't play well enough on the day. It was far from a vintage Dublin team and I reckon one of the weakest All-Ireland winning sides in recent memory. But only two Tyrone men scored and the majority of the scores were from frees. Easy to blame the ref but Tyrone just didn't do enough that day.

Very tough for Tyrone this weekend but they have done reasonably well against the Dubs in the league in recent years so you never know. Even a draw would be a very good result.

It ultimately wasn't their own performance though that decided the game, it was 2 bad calls made from the referee.

Which game are you commenting on?  ........... the 1995 or 2003 final. Arguably your comment is accurate for both games.

Really looking forward to the Cork game next Saturday............. less so the football which I feel has the makings of a spikey affair.

Quote from: Canalman on March 05, 2015, 09:23:35 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on March 05, 2015, 08:10:29 AM

Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on March 04, 2015, 08:23:19 PM

Quote from: An Watcher on March 02, 2015, 11:11:29 PM
Does it really matter if he touched it or not. He occupied defenders who otherwise could have been pushed up the field.  Not to worry though as we got there in the end. Just a pity for some of the players from that team

The Redmond fiasco and the wrongly disallowed point were heartbreaking at the time but ultimately Tyrone didn't play well enough on the day. It was far from a vintage Dublin team and I reckon one of the weakest All-Ireland winning sides in recent memory. But only two Tyrone men scored and the majority of the scores were from frees. Easy to blame the ref but Tyrone just didn't do enough that day.

Very tough for Tyrone this weekend but they have done reasonably well against the Dubs in the league in recent years so you never know. Even a draw would be a very good result.

It ultimately wasn't their own performance though that decided the game, it was 2 bad calls made from the referee.

Which game are you commenting on?  ........... the 1995 or 2003 final. Arguably your comment is accurate for both games.

Really looking forward to the Cork game next Saturday............. less so the football which I feel has the makings of a spikey affair.

There was no valid game deciding score ruled out in 2003 and none of teams in 2003 had an illegal extra player on the pitch.

Quote from: rrhf on March 04, 2015, 10:54:01 PM
Tyrone will give the dubs their fill of it this Saturday. Kerry and done gal have shown up a soft centre.  I'd say gavin is a worried man.

Soft centre ??, Remember James McCarthy, Flynn, Connolly, Mdma all to come back in there and maybe put some shoulder to the wheel

Quote from: Canalman on March 05, 2015, 09:23:35 AM

Which game are you commenting on?  ........... the 1995 or 2003 final. Arguably your comment is accurate for both games.

I think 2003 is a poor comparison. The red card for Marsden was overturned on a technicality. He did raise his hands and hit Philip Jordan, however poor it was of Jordan to run at him then hit the ground dramatically after being hit. In 1995 there were two genuine refereeing mistakes, one of which directly prevented Tyrone getting a draw.

Where the comparison does stand up is that some Armagh fans still complain about that decision costing them an All-Ireland when in reality they were well beaten by a better team. They didn't deserve to win. Tyrone didn't do enough to win in 1995. Dublin didn't do enough to beat Tyrone in 2005 either. Refereeing mistakes are very frustrating but they are also an easy excuse for fans rather than accepting their team's shortcomings.

In the terms of quality Dublin 1995 had to be the worst All Ireland winner of the last twenty years.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 05, 2015, 06:22:35 PM
In the terms of quality Dublin 1995 had to be the worst All Ireland winner of the last twenty years.

Kerry vs Donegal not far behind, Muck

Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 05, 2015, 06:22:35 PM
In the terms of quality Dublin 1995 had to be the worst All Ireland winner of the last twenty years.

Matter of opinion.


Played sparkling football in Leinster final and AI semi final. Didn't play well in AIF I will admit.
Better Dublin teams imo the previous years and also in 1996 but won nothing.

1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór
5 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mór
6 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn
10 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair
11 – Mattie Donnelly – Trí Leac
12 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh
15 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo

16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo
17 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac
19 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach
20 – PJ Lavery – Cluain Eo
21 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chochair
22 – Emmett McKenna – Eaglais
23 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais
24 – Patrick McNeice – Oileán a'Ghuail
25 – Cathal McShane – E R Uí Néill
26 – Ronan O Neill – An Omaigh

Same team two weeks running, not too often that happens!

Three defenders in half forward line
Tyrone for a 1 point win
3-4

I know after last year one of the big wishes was for Harte to get a settled team this year. In fairness we seem to be getting there and look much more settled than last year. On paper it looks like a strong enough team.

Reasonably strong  defensively and pushing Donnelly and Harte up should improve the half forward scoring power. What I want to see is a bit of consistency and character from the team. They seem to turn it on and off. A high energy hard working performance got a result in mayo but the levels and physicality seemed to drop last week.

If they're as up for it on Saturday as the mayo game I would not be surprised if we can pull of a victory. I just hope we don't get too bogged down on defensive tactics and Donnelly Harte etc are allowed to bomb forward. Them combined with cavanagh mccurry and Mcaliskey should get scores if allowed to push up.

In terms of the team I'd say there is 11 close to cemented starters. Tierney mcnulty McCann and Mcaliskey have to prove there place in the team. Pj lavery has did well coming of the bench and I think that will be his role, as a game opens up he can cause problems. Would like to get a look at Bradley.

Right, Fuzzman has come off the beer (allegedly), and unlocked the accidentally locked thread on the big game! ;)

Anyway, we Dublin domiciled Tyronies are having something of a free bash in da Capital on the eve of the mighty clash between the Division I table-scraping Dubs and the slightly less table-scraping Tyrone, in the Lansdowne Hotel on Pembroke Road, D4 (don't ya bleedin' know!).

Everyone, regardless of unfortunate county of genesis, is more than welcome, where we can offer:

• Music of the very highest calibre, sort of, yaay! Great music, actually, from Brendan 'Bacon' Gallagher from Strabane, with very able accomplices from Tipperary, and possibly, even elsewhere!
• A guest appearance from the one and only Charlie Redmond
• Carrickmore's Séamus Mc Callan, very placid these days, so we'll have no more of this oul chat about 1995 (even though Paddy Russell declined our very meek, mild and totally submissive invitations to attend)
• Noel Mc Ginn as MC (yeah, THAT Noel Mc Ginn), who'll be broadcasting live on TeamTalkMag.com
• Cathal Coyle with his Little Book of Tyrone
• €4 a feckin' pint!
• All totally free (apart from the cheap pints)!
• And quite probably more players from that era

I would say that, in particular, Charlie could do with a bit of oul support from his fellow Dubs, if any of you lot fancy it. Promise, we'll treat you a lot more kindly on the Friday evening than our football compadres will do on the Saturday evening! ;)

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That side selected means only one thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee00qR3vYhs

Watching this now
Dublin V Tyrone 1995 All Ireland Final: http://youtu.be/5ZSL_szMke8
I forgot it was Charlie Darling who got the goal.
Was an amazing move from start to finish.
Any time PTG got the ball there was 5 men round him.
Wasn't called a blanket back then.
Big Mattie playing a blinder
Did the Ref change his mind NOT to send Charlie off?
Dubs very cynical.
Dubs only scored 2 points in the 2nd half
12 men behind the ball for most of 2nd half

Paddy, in his book, said he assumed Charlie was off the field.

Not really a blanket - Dubs forwards were mostly in place. They just didn't have to mark anyone else.

Another thing is the athleticism and physique was completely different. And plenty of aimless hail marys.

Have to say, the Dubs' jerseys back in the '95 day were the business! :)

I expect the Dubs to field a much stronger team this week as they need points on the table. They will be able expecting three victories at home to the NW teams but could find the 13 man defence hard to break down.

Hopefully Tyrone deliver fast ball into that potentially potent FF line and not "crab it" up the field.
Being a Sat 7th March I think Dublin by 10 pints  ;D ;D

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 06, 2015, 07:42:11 AM
I expect the Dubs to field a much stronger team this week as they need points on the table. They will be able expecting three victories at home to the NW teams but could find the 13 man defence hard to break down.

Hopefully Tyrone deliver fast ball into that potentially potent FF line and not "crab it" up the field.
Being a Sat 7th March I think Dublin by 10 pints  ;D ;D

Deliver fast ball to who???
No point kicking the ball forward when there is one man being marked by 3 !!! (That's if mickey leaves one up and doesn't bring everybody back into the Tyrone half)

I've 3 (season tickets) if anyone has a good home for them, 310.

We're playing the Dubs who don't care about defence so I would hope to see our 2 corner forwards timing their runs around Big Sean catching it and giving it to them rather than slow kickout and crab it up the field until Dublin make an interception from a lose handpass and we're back on the back foot again

We've played out best football so far this year at pace.

I got a taker for the tickets and they've been delivered.

I got a taker for the tickets and they've been delivered.
Ballygawley address by any chance???! :)

Dubs have managed to name their 15

DUBLIN (SF v Tyrone)

1 Stephen Cluxton Parnell's

2 Eoin Culligan Kilmacud Crokes

3 Rory O'Carroll Kilmacud Crokes

4 Jonny Cooper Na Fianna

5 Nicky Devereux Ballinteer St John's

6 Philip McMahon Ballymun Kickhams

7 Jack McCaffrey Clontarf

8 Denis Bastick Templeogue Synge Street

9 Emmett O Conghaile Lucan Sarsfields

10 Tomás Brady Na Fianna

11 Dean Rock Ballymun Kickhams

12 Ciarán Kilkenny Castleknock

13 Kevin McManamon St Jude's

14 Paddy Andrews St Brigid's

15 Bernard Brogan St Oliver Plunkett'sEoghan Ruadh

Big news is obviously Cluxton back in goals - with Currie's disaster display against Kerry this looks into the no-brainer category.
The other big news is the first start of the season for Bernard Brogan - how much of this is down to the fact that he was pretty much only forward who was anywhere near decent for Dublin in the 2nd half v Kerry and how much is related to the fact that Costello has a knock.
Fitzsimmons is suspended because of his straight red, so Culligan who has impressed me from what I've seen comes in. O'Gara dropped for Andrews and Devereaux replaces Daly with O'COnghaile starting ahead of Carthy who played the full U21 game midweek at midfield.

As is standard practice Gavin and co, continue to keep the subs bench a secret. You'd think there surely won't be any late changes to the starting 15 given how close to the match the 15 were named.

I will be gobsmacked if Dublin don't win this at home. Bookies have Dublin at 1/4 and crazy as it is that looks very close to being decent odds to me

Is there an online link for tonight's clash at Croke Park?

http://www.vipleague.is/rugby/289518/1/gaa-gaelic:-dublin-vs-tyrone-live-stream-online.html

Interesting point in the pre-match analysis from Declan O'Sullivan about the Dublin half-backs tendency to push forward and using example of how this cost them in the game against Kerry and how this hasn't changed from last year.

Cathal McShane in for Conor McAliskey is the only change to the named 15

Dublin Subs

Seán Currie
Phillip Ryan
Ciaran Reddin
Eoghan O'Gara
Kevin Nolan
James McCArthy
Eric Lowndes
Paul Flynn
Brian Fenton
Shane Carthy
David Byrne

Dublin not doing all that great in terms of dealing with a blanket's sides counterattack giving away 2 cheap frees.

Sean Cavanagh hits a free off the top of the post so gone to Hawkeye which gives the score.

Tyrone 0-3 Dublin 0-1

0-3 apiece - 2 decent scores from Rock and Brogan in play.

Tyrone have dropped 3 shots in a row short into Cluxton's hand

McNulty with a very nice score to put Tyrone a point up .

Donnelley hits the post and Cluxton gets very fortunate not to concede a 45

Reasonable enough pace to the game but not exactly blistering intensity.

Rock with a very poor effort at a 45 .

Dublin defence concede another very scorable free converted by McCurry

Brogan hits the post from a tight angle and Deveraux makes a mess of the goal chance when the ball falls to him unmarked but Morgan is out very quick and the result is a tap-over for Rock to narrow it to a point again.

Tyrone blanket doing a job on Dublin's attack so far.

Also notable is that Tyrone defence have only conceded 2 free to Dublin in 28 minutes despite a lot of close quarters tackling by Tyrone in defence.

Edir : Tyrone just conceded a 3rd free

Bastic off and Cian O'Sullivan on 28 minutes

6 points a piece - both sides have 2 points from play so far.

Tyrone have dropped their 5th effort short into Cluxton's hands.

Dull enough fare.

0-6 apiece at HT

Tyrone missed 13 possible scoring chances that half. Could have been miles ahead.

It's no cricket that's for sure ;-)

Two hands!! Please tell me you haven't put your rent money on Dublin at 1/4 to make a quick buck??

Declan O'Sullivan says Tyrone are deadly. Always like Declan. Nice, honest chap.

Quote from: under the bar on March 07, 2015, 07:43:13 PM
Two hands!! Please tell me you haven't put your rent money on Dublin at 1/4 to make a quick buck??

Nah - Said I would wait and see how things went at the start before going on the betting-in running.

Fairly glad I didnt now.

Really surprised at how poor Dublin have been, thought there was sure to be a reaction after the 2nd half of the Kerry game  -

Horan and O'Sullivan hit the nail on the head with their HT analysis - 1 side have a gameplan and 1 side don't.

Having said that I still expect Dublin to win this.

Quote from: ONeill on March 07, 2015, 07:45:00 PM
Declan O'Sullivan says Tyrone are deadly. Always like Declan. Nice, honest chap.

Shure doesnt everyone love a GAA player once they are retired ;)

Dublin still 1/3.

Flynn and O'Gara on at HT

Seems a lot of the fringe/younger Dublin lads are pretty much playing their way off the starting 15

Impressive synchronised dance routine there by Dublin ;)

Surely Dublin know that they have to be patient in front of the 15 man defence, work a wee opening and buy a free? The pot shots from around the 45 ain't working

http://nowwatchtvlive.me/setanta-ireland-live-stream-watch-setanta-sports-channel-online/

Quote from: JoG2 on March 07, 2015, 08:06:38 PM
Surely Dublin know that they have to be patient in front of the 15 man defence, work a wee opening and buy a free? The pot shots from around the 45 ain't working

Really doesn't look like it.

Said it before and I'll say it again - a fit Justy McMahon is some player!

Threw that one away I doubt. 3 points up at 68 minutes and ends up a draw!

Definatly a point thrown away for Tyrone and for me Mattie Donnelly clearly man of the match

Well it got a bit exciting in the end but the fact that Dublin got anything out of that has to fall into the day-light robbery category, even though it was under lights.

Dublin looked like a side that had never even heard of a blanket defence, nevermind actually played against it. Definitely not in form at the moment and they can't be looking forward to what looks like a very tricky away game to Mayo next weekend.

Tyrone will be absolutely sickened by that result especially with the number of efforts dropped short and put wide, especially given how well and how disciplined their defending was throughout. However as against that I reckon they had 23 attempts for points in play and only scored 5 of them. Almost impossible to win a game with that sort of shooting display.

Can't help wonder if all the chopping and changing with the Dub and all the squad players is stopping them from getting any sort of settled consistency as a team.

Good result for Mayo, Cork, Kerry and Donegal in terms of getting a semi-final spot

A better Tyrone performance tonight I thought and should have won by a few, disappointing to only get the point in the end. Good to see Donnelly performing so well further up the field and hopefully he stays there.

Gavin a bit of a snarky bollox there in the post-match interview  ;D

"Would you be surprised if I told you that the free count was 26 6 against you?"
"No I have those stats myself"

Was MOTM pre-decided in the Evening Herald?

Disappointed not to take both points there. You love it when those pot shots off the post fall in your favour but it's a real sickener when they go against you! All we are interested in is staying in division1 so hopefully our superior score difference against the likes of Monaghan and Derry will be worth a point itself.

McCurry had a nightmare this evening but he's been our main man recently so no problem there. Thought, once again, that young McNulty showed up well, very hard stopped when he gets a gallop up.

Gotta try mickey on Neill in goals.  Well done mic key harte and the lads.  We shall overcome.

If a team with a decent free taker and good scoring forwards plays against Dublin mimicking that system they will be finished.

Tyrone lack both, sadly.

Dubs are copying Derry & not taking the league 2 seriously.

Hard luck to the Tyrone buckos tonight ye deserved to win, very well organised and well drilled, Dublin were horrid, it was like the Donegal game/semi last year were we ran into alleys............................. Bring back Gilroy and Mickey Whelan  :D

Mattie Donnelly is some operator, a mistake putting him in at ff with about 15 / 20 to go I thought

Aye we did, Ye dont take yer chances in Croke Park ye rarely win.  How many was there tonight?  Felt big Mc Nulty was outstanding and destroyed Bastick.

Quote from: rrhf on March 07, 2015, 10:04:15 PM
Aye we did, Ye dont take yer chances in Croke Park ye rarely win.  How many was there tonight?  Felt big Mc Nulty was outstanding and destroyed Bastick.

27,000 in attendance, Bastick is finished Im afraid

A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

This ultra version of blanket defense was unveiled in McHale Park in the second round and it has got Tyrone 3 results in a row after an awful start to the league v Monaghan. So we can expect an improving model from Tyrone from now on. No way is Harte going to abandon this route imo. How can he. I had my doubts about it holding up v Dubs in open spaces in CP but it more than held its own and expect it to develop into the Summer.

Quote from: hardstation on March 07, 2015, 11:22:33 PM

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

You're being a tad sensationalist IMO. I thought it was a really good game to be honest.

Most everyone I spoke to after the game was aghast like myself. TV does not really convey what a blanket defence does to a game as a spectacle. 

Seen a certain Dublin defender pull out of three 50/ 50  tackles in the second half and I  have to say for all our faults in the past  I have never had reason to say that before.

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

Tyrone have 1-2 ore gears, Dublin have 4.

Quote from: hardstation on March 07, 2015, 11:22:33 PM

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

You're being a tad sensationalist IMO. I thought it was a really good game to be honest.

Not a great game, but not bad; nowhere near as bad as Canalman is making out.  Defence is part of the game.  If that's your strength, play to it. 

I'd be worried about Dublin's inability to deal with the blanket defence come summer, myself.

I would nt be too worried about Dublin. Started tonight without fitzsimmons brennan mc carthy Macauley o sullivan Flynn Connolly a brogan Costello j small so can only take so much out of a draw!!

Oh and paul mannion and Conor mc Hugh options. Serious strength and depth!

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

Typical sensationalist BS when a team puts in a good defensive performance.  Actually thought it was a good game,tight and exciting till the end and some decent passages play and good football.
Unless it finishes 4-15 to 3-18 with not defending taking place at all some people aren't happy.

Quote from: the goal was on on March 07, 2015, 11:56:32 PM
I would nt be too worried about Dublin. Started tonight without fitzsimmons brennan mc carthy Macauley o sullivan Flynn Connolly a brogan Costello j small so can only take so much out of a draw!!

Fair enough, but none of Costello, Small, Fitszimmons and maybe even Brennan are guaranteed starters.  And if anything Dublin had a harder time of things in the second half once Flynn and O' Sullivan were on the field.

Jesus Dublin fans don't look like it when things are put up to them. Too used to winning matches I'd say.
I was behind the Davin goals and how the umpire didn't give Tyrone two 45's in the first half I'll never know. Even the very biased lads behind me admitted the 2nd one.

A lot of frustrated folk around me used to watching too much Leinster dodgeball. The relief when they scored the goal was huge. At least my eldest lad was smiling again.
Too early in the season to write off Dubs but the more tough games like this the better for them.

What's people's opinion on Dean Rock. He wS great at U21 but seems to be finding it hard to nail down a place at senior

Quote from: thejuice on March 08, 2015, 01:07:40 AM
What's people's opinion on Dean Rock. He wS great at U21 but seems to be finding it hard to nail down a place at senior

Did his chances no harm today anyway.  I'd thought he was gone off the boil over the past few games, but was the only Dublin forward to make an impact today (except for O' Gara' winning the ball and laying on the goal).

Dean Rock is a definite starter for most people. He missed quite a few last night which isn't like him. He was being used as s major impact sub last year a lot like McManoman.
In the pub after the game in town I met a lot of Dubs who are VERY unhappy with Gavin.
After they finally got over defending themselves about Dublin's thirds and how Tyrone are so ultra negative and play ugly football which I agree with, we finally discussed how we do beat these systems.
The general consensus was it's not easy but Gavin's naivity v Donegal last year is still there. He has no plan B and the amount of times Tyrone broke fast down the pitch and scored handy enough scores whereas Dublin had to battle for every score.
Met McCurry after the game and he was very annoyed with himself about his shooting on the night.
Morgan also had an off night and showed us what it feels like to lose when her free taker is off his game. The fact that its your keeper seems to add to that frustration as there is more pressure or expectation on him just cos he's not an outfield player.
I'd say Mickey is raging we threw that away.
Again we showed our Jekyl and Hyde side again. I hate us playing at home any more but luckily so do the games admin team when we go back door.

It's horrible to watch but fair dues to Mickey H for his tactics last night. It certainly works and the disciplined tackling was exceptional. Justy and McNamee played well I thought but must watch it again on TV today.
I'd say Dub will beat most teams that don't play such a defensive system but I think most Dubs with a brain will be worried now again about walking Leinster and coming up against that type of game again. Especially now as Kerry too have sold their soul to it.

the talking was done on the pitch.
i think we have the bones of something good here.  Niall Mc Kenna would have added more presence had he been fit and I hope tierney is not a long termer.
Id be replacing Morgan on current form.  His positioning was poor for the goal and his free taking is a disaster.
Id still take Big Sean over Michael Murphy any day.
Colm, Padraig, Justy, Mc Namee all played well. We lack finishers when a man like Mc Curry is off his game.  He has been Tyrones star performer this year to date though. 
Hats off to Harte for laying down a game plan which for the most part worked.

Yes Tyrone's disciplined defending the main focus last night. Fair dues to the ref for not interfering as usual suspects like Marty Duffy or Coldrick would hv seen infringements no one else in the stadium sees.

Agree on Morgan & the frees, the X Factor & expectation of a score is gone. It did waste the injury time last night though and stopped the momentum of the Dubs stealing the win.

I'm delighted Sean has finally stopped trying to be the hero and is playing much more for the team now. His tracking back and tackling is amazing and now he passes much faster and not just cos he's forced into a pass.

It's a bit like Ireland in the rugby to me. We could play differently but we play a disciplined type of game which won't win us many admirers but had we have taken half of our chances last night we would have beaten one of the AI favourites in their own backyard.
Free takers need a few easy ones to boost their confidence sometimes but Morgan never gets this option. He is only asked to hit the far out ones

Dublin only pacing themselves in this years league they won't be too concerned with a 5th place finish and missing out on a semi final spot. Tyrone will be happy enough with sixth place avoiding relegation.

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

I've seen far worse games as a spectacle if I'm honest. The shooting was so bad that the low score doesn't reflect how much the momentum swung in the course of the game.

You can complain about the system Tyrone played all you want but it largely worked. Only for an awful display by Morgan at both ends it would have been a walkover.

Why do you think he did bad defencively?
Do you think he should have saved that goal?

Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 08, 2015, 10:12:27 AM
Dublin only pacing themselves in this years league they won't be too concerned with a 5th place finish and missing out on a semi final spot. Tyrone will be happy enough with sixth place avoiding relegation.

I dont believe that for a second , I think Jim inherited some promising talent and a excellent system from Pat Gilroy and Mickey Whelan, and now he is making a balls of things by believing he can play wonderful attacking football........................... I think he is being found out nowpersonally, that nicey nicey stuff to the cameras doesnt wash with me

My only consolation from last night is that the Mayo buckos approched the tyrone game in a similar vein to us

Lads is the full game repeated anywhere any time soon, or is there a dlaod available.

Missed it last night.

Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 08, 2015, 01:25:47 PM
Lads is the full game repeated anywhere any time soon, or is there a dlaod available.

Missed it last night.

Setanta who broadcast it often repeat full games at odd hours during the week. Check the Setanta listings for the week.

Quote from: stibhan on March 08, 2015, 11:09:49 AM

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

I've seen far worse games as a spectacle if I'm honest. The shooting was so bad that the low score doesn't reflect how much the momentum swung in the course of the game.

You can complain about the system Tyrone played all you want but it largely worked. Only for an awful display by Morgan at both ends it would have been a walkover.

You're not going to win an AI playing that shite. Donegal had better players. Hard to believe Tyrone football has been reduced to that rubbish last night.

I missed the match last night is there anywhere I can see the full game today does anyone know?

Quote from: INDIANA on March 08, 2015, 01:32:56 PM

Quote from: stibhan on March 08, 2015, 11:09:49 AM

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

I've seen far worse games as a spectacle if I'm honest. The shooting was so bad that the low score doesn't reflect how much the momentum swung in the course of the game.

You can complain about the system Tyrone played all you want but it largely worked. Only for an awful display by Morgan at both ends it would have been a walkover.

You're not going to win an AI playing that shite. Donegal had better players. Hard to believe Tyrone football has been reduced to that rubbish last night.

Neither will Dublin.

Donegal evolved over 2/3 years - maybe Tyrone are at the start of that cycle. If defending in numbers and breaking at speed works for you, why would you not play to that strength? So people can say that you play lovely football? Wise up.

Quote from: WT4E on March 08, 2015, 01:42:28 PM
I missed the match last night is there anywhere I can see the full game today does anyone know?

It's repeated on Setanta Ire at 4.10pm today.

Quote from: INDIANA on March 08, 2015, 01:32:56 PM

Quote from: stibhan on March 08, 2015, 11:09:49 AM

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

I've seen far worse games as a spectacle if I'm honest. The shooting was so bad that the low score doesn't reflect how much the momentum swung in the course of the game.

You can complain about the system Tyrone played all you want but it largely worked. Only for an awful display by Morgan at both ends it would have been a walkover.

You're not going to win an AI playing that shite. Donegal had better players. Hard to believe Tyrone football has been reduced to that rubbish last night.

dubs are chokers also

Quote from: laceer on March 08, 2015, 02:05:22 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on March 08, 2015, 01:32:56 PM

Quote from: stibhan on March 08, 2015, 11:09:49 AM

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

I've seen far worse games as a spectacle if I'm honest. The shooting was so bad that the low score doesn't reflect how much the momentum swung in the course of the game.

You can complain about the system Tyrone played all you want but it largely worked. Only for an awful display by Morgan at both ends it would have been a walkover.

You're not going to win an AI playing that shite. Donegal had better players. Hard to believe Tyrone football has been reduced to that rubbish last night.

Neither will Dublin.

Donegal evolved over 2/3 years - maybe Tyrone are at the start of that cycle. If defending in numbers and breaking at speed works for you, why would you not play to that strength? So people can say that you play lovely football? Wise up.

Have you checked the roll of honour lately?

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Quote from: INDIANA on March 08, 2015, 01:32:56 PM

Quote from: stibhan on March 08, 2015, 11:09:49 AM

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

I've seen far worse games as a spectacle if I'm honest. The shooting was so bad that the low score doesn't reflect how much the momentum swung in the course of the game.

You can complain about the system Tyrone played all you want but it largely worked. Only for an awful display by Morgan at both ends it would have been a walkover.

You're not going to win an AI playing that shite. Donegal had better players. Hard to believe Tyrone football has been reduced to that rubbish last night.

dubs are chokers also

2 all irelands in the last 4 years suggests otherwise. You've only ever won 3.

Puts it in context.

Id rather play like donegal, tyrone and kerry last year than the way we play currently, swosh buckling bullshit

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Quote from: laceer on March 08, 2015, 02:05:22 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on March 08, 2015, 01:32:56 PM

Quote from: stibhan on March 08, 2015, 11:09:49 AM

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

I've seen far worse games as a spectacle if I'm honest. The shooting was so bad that the low score doesn't reflect how much the momentum swung in the course of the game.

You can complain about the system Tyrone played all you want but it largely worked. Only for an awful display by Morgan at both ends it would have been a walkover.

You're not going to win an AI playing that shite. Donegal had better players. Hard to believe Tyrone football has been reduced to that rubbish last night.

Neither will Dublin.

Donegal evolved over 2/3 years - maybe Tyrone are at the start of that cycle. If defending in numbers and breaking at speed works for you, why would you not play to that strength? So people can say that you play lovely football? Wise up.

Have you checked the roll of honour lately?

I have. I enjoy looking back from time to time.

My comment was based on this weekend's match and the current Tyrone and Dublin teams. If Dublin can find a way of getting past a packed defence and get the ball into the hands of their forwards then they surely do have a shot at an All Ireland. Defenders taking wild shots from the 45 like last night is "shite", as you say, and "not going to win an AI".

I enjoy watching the Dubs; they have some wonderful attacking talent. I enjoy watching Tyrone get the better of them more so.

Can't understand why Morgan is persisted with for these frees. Last night he was 1/5 or 1/6. The previous 3 games he was rotten. The one big moment he had last year against Monaghan he fluffed.

A chance to deservedly come away with 2 points last night in as good a position as you would like....fluffed again.

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Quote from: stibhan on March 08, 2015, 11:09:49 AM

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

I've seen far worse games as a spectacle if I'm honest. The shooting was so bad that the low score doesn't reflect how much the momentum swung in the course of the game.

You can complain about the system Tyrone played all you want but it largely worked. Only for an awful display by Morgan at both ends it would have been a walkover.

You're not going to win an AI playing that shite. Donegal had better players. Hard to believe Tyrone football has been reduced to that rubbish last night.

Neither will Dublin.

Donegal evolved over 2/3 years - maybe Tyrone are at the start of that cycle. If defending in numbers and breaking at speed works for you, why would you not play to that strength? So people can say that you play lovely football? Wise up.

Have you checked the roll of honour lately?

I have. I enjoy looking back from time to time.

My comment was based on this weekend's match and the current Tyrone and Dublin teams. If Dublin can find a way of getting past a packed defence and get the ball into the hands of their forwards then they surely do have a shot at an All Ireland. Defenders taking wild shots from the 45 like last night is "shite", as you say, and "not going to win an AI".

I enjoy watching the Dubs; they have some wonderful attacking talent. I enjoy watching Tyrone get the better of them more so.

When we get our power athletes in Flynn/Connolly/MDMA and James Mac back in full flow you'll lose by 6-9 points against us.

I can't believe Tyrone with the structures they have , the underage success they have have been reduced to that rubbish.

Something seriously wrong up there. Donegal had an excuse at least. Nothing at underage or club level to suggest they were capable of playing a better system. But Tyrone are the Aristocrats of Ulster Football and once they embrace the Jim G template there is no future for Gaelic Football in the province.

Brolly is for once correct. I'd retire from coaching rather than train a team to play with 14 players behind the bal

Pure muck from Tyrone last night. It looks like they tried to play a more attacking expansive game last season with poor results, they simply hadn't got the players to play such a game and lost faith completely in that system. Now it's back to horrible ultra defensive stuff and to a certain extent they can feel justified after picking up a good result against the Dubs.

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Quote from: laceer on March 08, 2015, 02:05:22 PM

Quote from: INDIANA on March 08, 2015, 01:32:56 PM

Quote from: stibhan on March 08, 2015, 11:09:49 AM

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

I've seen far worse games as a spectacle if I'm honest. The shooting was so bad that the low score doesn't reflect how much the momentum swung in the course of the game.

You can complain about the system Tyrone played all you want but it largely worked. Only for an awful display by Morgan at both ends it would have been a walkover.

You're not going to win an AI playing that shite. Donegal had better players. Hard to believe Tyrone football has been reduced to that rubbish last night.

Neither will Dublin.

Donegal evolved over 2/3 years - maybe Tyrone are at the start of that cycle. If defending in numbers and breaking at speed works for you, why would you not play to that strength? So people can say that you play lovely football? Wise up.

Have you checked the roll of honour lately?

I have. I enjoy looking back from time to time.

My comment was based on this weekend's match and the current Tyrone and Dublin teams. If Dublin can find a way of getting past a packed defence and get the ball into the hands of their forwards then they surely do have a shot at an All Ireland. Defenders taking wild shots from the 45 like last night is "shite", as you say, and "not going to win an AI".

I enjoy watching the Dubs; they have some wonderful attacking talent. I enjoy watching Tyrone get the better of them more so.

When we get our power athletes in Flynn/Connolly/MDMA and James Mac back in full flow you'll lose by 6-9 points against us.

I can't believe Tyrone with the structures they have , the underage success they have have been reduced to that rubbish.

Something seriously wrong up there. Donegal had an excuse at least. Nothing at underage or club level to suggest they were capable of playing a better system. But Tyrone are the Aristocrats of Ulster Football and once they embrace the Jim G template there is no future for Gaelic Football in the province.

Brolly is for once correct. I'd retire from coaching rather than train a team to play with 14 players behind the bal

Where those guys not playing against Donegal last year? They made an awful shape of playing against a defensive system then. You'll need some sort of game plan to compliment those power athletes.

Aristocrats? If you check that roll of honour we won our first All Ireland only 12 years ago, and a further 2 since with mostly the same group of players. Cavan or Down would surely lay more claim to that title.

Comparing minor football to senior championship has to be a wind up?

Brolly loves a sound bite and you're firing out a few here yourself

Talk about sour grapes from the some of the dubs.

INDIANA  how many times do you have to be told, football only started in 2003!! lol

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Quote from: laceer on March 08, 2015, 02:05:22 PM

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Quote from: stibhan on March 08, 2015, 11:09:49 AM

Quote from: Canalman on March 07, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
A truly shocking game as a spectacle tonight.

Neither county will be within an ass's roar of Sam in September.

3 times in the 1st half there was not a single Tyrone player outside their own 45 line. Absolutely bizarre stuff .   Several other times Cluxton,  O'Carroll and the Tyrone full forward on their own in the Dublin half. Chatting away and swapping water bottle at times. 

Would fear for the game in the future after tonight.

Tyrone deserved to win and imho around 4 Dublin players played themselves out of consideration of the championship team they were so bad.

I've seen far worse games as a spectacle if I'm honest. The shooting was so bad that the low score doesn't reflect how much the momentum swung in the course of the game.

You can complain about the system Tyrone played all you want but it largely worked. Only for an awful display by Morgan at both ends it would have been a walkover.

You're not going to win an AI playing that shite. Donegal had better players. Hard to believe Tyrone football has been reduced to that rubbish last night.

Neither will Dublin.

Donegal evolved over 2/3 years - maybe Tyrone are at the start of that cycle. If defending in numbers and breaking at speed works for you, why would you not play to that strength? So people can say that you play lovely football? Wise up.

Have you checked the roll of honour lately?

I have. I enjoy looking back from time to time.

My comment was based on this weekend's match and the current Tyrone and Dublin teams. If Dublin can find a way of getting past a packed defence and get the ball into the hands of their forwards then they surely do have a shot at an All Ireland. Defenders taking wild shots from the 45 like last night is "shite", as you say, and "not going to win an AI".

I enjoy watching the Dubs; they have some wonderful attacking talent. I enjoy watching Tyrone get the better of them more so.

When we get our power athletes in Flynn/Connolly/MDMA and James Mac back in full flow you'll lose by 6-9 points against us.

I can't believe Tyrone with the structures they have , the underage success they have have been reduced to that rubbish.

Something seriously wrong up there. Donegal had an excuse at least. Nothing at underage or club level to suggest they were capable of playing a better system. But Tyrone are the Aristocrats of Ulster Football and once they embrace the Jim G template there is no future for Gaelic Football in the province.

Brolly is for once correct. I'd retire from coaching rather than train a team to play with 14 players behind the bal

Where those guys not playing against Donegal last year? They made an awful shape of playing against a defensive system then. You'll need some sort of game plan to compliment those power athletes.

Aristocrats? If you check that roll of honour we won our first All Ireland only 12 years ago, and a further 2 since with mostly the same group of players. Cavan or Down would surely lay more claim to that title.

Comparing minor football to senior championship has to be a wind up?

Brolly loves a sound bite and you're firing out a few here yourself

Cavan haven't been a factor at Gaelic Football on any sustained basis since the Polo Grounds. Down since the mid 90's.

We were two goal chances away from absolutely demolishing Donegal. But we were beaten fair and square .

I've no issue with a blanket defence. We used one in 2011 ourselves. But 14-15 men behind the ball is taking the piss

Heard Monaghan v Donegal had the same defensive crap today, horrible by all accounts, showed on the score board too.

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 08, 2015, 11:21:59 AM
Why do you think he did bad defencively?
Do you think he should have saved that goal?

Gave away a bad free in front of the posts which could have been a black card by handling ball on ground (I'm not sure what the ruling would be on this, anyone?). Seems strange to me that it's not a penalty, but whatever. I think he could have been more centrally positioned before the goal also. His frees, which are meant to be his real positive, were absolutely woeful bar one nice strike and him coming up for the last kick of the game was madness considering his form in the game.

Quote from: stibhan on March 08, 2015, 06:13:16 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 08, 2015, 11:21:59 AM
Why do you think he did bad defencively?
Do you think he should have saved that goal?

Gave away a bad free in front of the posts which could have been a black card by handling ball on ground (I'm not sure what the ruling would be on this, anyone?). Seems strange to me that it's not a penalty, but whatever. I think he could have been more centrally positioned before the goal also. His frees, which are meant to be his real positive, were absolutely woeful bar one nice strike and him coming up for the last kick of the game was madness considering his form in the game.

Technical foul in big square  = free
Technical foul in small square = pen

Only going by the highlights but the no. 9 McNulty looks like a real find for Tyrone.

According to the rte highlights, Dublin had 80% of the game

Quote from: Main Street on March 08, 2015, 08:16:28 PM
According to the rte highlights, Dublin had 80% of the game

That's bullshit, we had double digit wides and dropped at least 6/7 into Cluxton. No chance was it an 80/20 split. We threw that game away big-time.

I went to the game last night but I'd have been better off doing something else.
Dublin were shoite!
If every county plays the way Tyrone played last night within ten years there'll be no one in Croker in September never mind March!
Horrible win at all costs for personal glory from certain managers without any concern over the damage they are inflicting on the game!

Quote from: Johnnybegood on March 08, 2015, 10:29:54 PM
I went to the game last night but I'd have been better off doing something else.
Dublin were shoite!
If every county plays the way Tyrone played last night within ten years there'll be no one in Croker in September never mind March!
Horrible win at all costs for personal glory from certain managers without any concern over the damage they are inflicting on the game!

There's an awful lot of hyperbole going on about last nights game. It is no the end of the world. It is not the end of Gaelic football either. Systems come and go.

Also if a team feels they cannot cope with the attacking play of another team to me it makes sense that they plug the holes. Why allow another team oceans of space and be on the end of 10 point hammering?

Usual over the top reaction to tyrones tactics. It wasn't a great game but it was still very interesting. I'm sensing a lot of fear for Dublin fans. They were used to stuffing teams in recent years and think counties like tyrone should lie down to their full time athletes. Last year they were the first ever county to crowned all Ireland champions in March April time but it's gone a bit wrong since then.

Would people rather pay in to watch dublin win a non event by 15 points?

Tyrone did get men behind the ball last night but you'd swear in the media and from some on here that they stayed there all night. Tyrone scored 12 times kicked 12 wides a lot of them very scoreable, kicked 5 into the keepers hands and missed a great goal chance. That's 30 good scoring opportunities which is a lot against a top team.

If we can improve our efficiency anything is possible. We dominated that game last night and have only been playing that way for 3 games. A bit of tweaking on the offensive side over the next few months and we'll give any one a game. The tactics suit the type of players we have and the players are showing a lot of heart.

I don't mind the abuse. It's when people aren't talking about tyrone that we need to be worried. For some reason we seem to be up there as the most hated gaa county in Ireland. It'll be some craic with rte if we start getting competitive again.

Quote from: Johnnybegood on March 08, 2015, 10:29:54 PM
I went to the game last night but I'd have been better off doing something else.
Dublin were shoite!
If every county plays the way Tyrone played last night within ten years there'll be no one in Croker in September never mind March!
Horrible win at all costs for personal glory from certain managers without any concern over the damage they are inflicting on the game!

Oh ffs would you ever get a grip and come down off that horse, it's far too high for you. Dublin have learned nothing from getting beaten by Donegal last year and teams know how to set up to compete against them now. If they are good enough Dublin will work it out but until they do, teams will do what they have to do when facing them. Except of course, every team in Leinster who will continue to roll over.

To be honest Dublin will be in the last 4 come the end of the year, teams set up the way they do against them because they are afraid of them, Kerry and Mayo be there, don`t think Donegal will, the way they play is too demanding

Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 08, 2015, 10:53:41 PM
Usual over the top reaction to tyrones tactics. It wasn't a great game but it was still very interesting. I'm sensing a lot of fear for Dublin fans. They were used to stuffing teams in recent years and think counties like tyrone should lie down to their full time athletes. Last year they were the first ever county to crowned all Ireland champions in March April time but it's gone a bit wrong since then.

Would people rather pay in to watch dublin win a non event by 15 points?

Tyrone did get men behind the ball last night but you'd swear in the media and from some on here that they stayed there all night. Tyrone scored 12 times kicked 12 wides a lot of them very scoreable, kicked 5 into the keepers hands and missed a great goal chance. That's 30 good scoring opportunities which is a lot against a top team.

If we can improve our efficiency anything is possible. We dominated that game last night and have only been playing that way for 3 games. A bit of tweaking on the offensive side over the next few months and we'll give any one a game. The tactics suit the type of players we have and the players are showing a lot of heart.

I don't mind the abuse. It's when people aren't talking about tyrone that we need to be worried. For some reason we seem to be up there as the most hated gaa county in Ireland. It'll be some craic with rte if we start getting competitive again.

If you think we're worried about Tyrone you're mistaken. I'd be very worried if I was Tyrone fan. Unfortunately Tyrone fans are still living in 03-08. You've got nothing to worry anyone except 15 men behind the ball

Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 08, 2015, 10:53:41 PMTyrone scored 12 times kicked 12 wides a lot of them very scoreable, kicked 5 into the keepers hands and missed a great goal chance. That's 30 good scoring opportunities which is a lot against a top team.

The thing I can't help but think about the tactics of the blanket defence is that having your attackers, especially your  forwards falling all the way back to inside their own 45 and then breaking forward is going to affect their accuracy in front of goal quite a bit.

The other thing is that for a defence playing against a blanket like Dublin were it's critical not to give away frees, as it makes it so much easier for the opposition to get scores and also allows them to slow the pace of the game down - a side playing a blanket just loves the opportunity to slow the tempt.

The fact that Dublin gave away 26 frees last night show that they have learned very little about playing a side playing the blanket.

Joe Brolly and his rant about the Cavan being the black death , he was missing the point that it was a Tyrone man who was training Cavan,Peter Donnolly.

Tyrone are now playing much the same  defensive system now Donnolly is involved

Quote from: BennyHarp on March 08, 2015, 11:09:19 PM

Quote from: Johnnybegood on March 08, 2015, 10:29:54 PM
I went to the game last night but I'd have been better off doing something else.
Dublin were shoite!
If every county plays the way Tyrone played last night within ten years there'll be no one in Croker in September never mind March!
Horrible win at all costs for personal glory from certain managers without any concern over the damage they are inflicting on the game!

Oh ffs would you ever get a grip and come down off that horse, it's far too high for you. Dublin have learned nothing from getting beaten by Donegal last year and teams know how to set up to compete against them now. If they are good enough Dublin will work it out but until they do, teams will do what they have to do when facing them. Except of course, every team in Leinster who will continue to roll over.

it ain't about Dublin winning or loosing! I make the point on football in general regardless of wether Dublin are playing or not! Last years Af was crap and pretty much most of Donegal's games over the last few years have been crap! You can add Monaghan Armagh Tyrone Cavan Westmeath Laois Dublin and Wexford all playing a version of a blanket over the past decade! It's rubbish to watch and will strangle the game similar to the English first division in the eighties which was plagued by the long ball! If I was offered a free ticket to go and see last nights game again I would decline and I've no doubt I wouldn't be alone in my refusal

Quote from: INDIANA on March 08, 2015, 11:20:36 PM

Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 08, 2015, 10:53:41 PM
Usual over the top reaction to tyrones tactics. It wasn't a great game but it was still very interesting. I'm sensing a lot of fear for Dublin fans. They were used to stuffing teams in recent years and think counties like tyrone should lie down to their full time athletes. Last year they were the first ever county to crowned all Ireland champions in March April time but it's gone a bit wrong since then.

Would people rather pay in to watch dublin win a non event by 15 points?

Tyrone did get men behind the ball last night but you'd swear in the media and from some on here that they stayed there all night. Tyrone scored 12 times kicked 12 wides a lot of them very scoreable, kicked 5 into the keepers hands and missed a great goal chance. That's 30 good scoring opportunities which is a lot against a top team.

If we can improve our efficiency anything is possible. We dominated that game last night and have only been playing that way for 3 games. A bit of tweaking on the offensive side over the next few months and we'll give any one a game. The tactics suit the type of players we have and the players are showing a lot of heart.

I don't mind the abuse. It's when people aren't talking about tyrone that we need to be worried. For some reason we seem to be up there as the most hated gaa county in Ireland. It'll be some craic with rte if we start getting competitive again.

If you think we're worried about Tyrone you're mistaken. I'd be very worried if I was Tyrone fan. Unfortunately Tyrone fans are still living in 03-08. You've got nothing to worry anyone except 15 men behind the ball

One can only imagine the level of crying if dublin had actually got the beating they deserved if this is the reaction to a draw!

I thought that was interesting, frustrating for Tyrone to miss so many chances though, should have won by at least five.

Quote from: INDIANA on March 08, 2015, 11:20:36 PM

Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 08, 2015, 10:53:41 PM
Usual over the top reaction to tyrones tactics. It wasn't a great game but it was still very interesting. I'm sensing a lot of fear for Dublin fans. They were used to stuffing teams in recent years and think counties like tyrone should lie down to their full time athletes. Last year they were the first ever county to crowned all Ireland champions in March April time but it's gone a bit wrong since then.

Would people rather pay in to watch dublin win a non event by 15 points?

Tyrone did get men behind the ball last night but you'd swear in the media and from some on here that they stayed there all night. Tyrone scored 12 times kicked 12 wides a lot of them very scoreable, kicked 5 into the keepers hands and missed a great goal chance. That's 30 good scoring opportunities which is a lot against a top team.

If we can improve our efficiency anything is possible. We dominated that game last night and have only been playing that way for 3 games. A bit of tweaking on the offensive side over the next few months and we'll give any one a game. The tactics suit the type of players we have and the players are showing a lot of heart.

I don't mind the abuse. It's when people aren't talking about tyrone that we need to be worried. For some reason we seem to be up there as the most hated gaa county in Ireland. It'll be some craic with rte if we start getting competitive again.

If you think we're worried about Tyrone you're mistaken. I'd be very worried if I was Tyrone fan. Unfortunately Tyrone fans are still living in 03-08. You've got nothing to worry anyone except 15 men behind the ball

I dunno, Indiana, the last 3 or 4 games between these sides have ended in a one point win or a draw.  I'd be plenty concerned if we meet Tyrone in the summer--especially as it seems that in the months since the Donegal loss, we've learned nothing at all about how to counter blanket defences.  In all honesty, if Tyrone had forwards of Donegal's caliber, we'd have been slaughtered on Saturday. 

Quote from: tyroneman on March 08, 2015, 07:12:46 PM

Quote from: stibhan on March 08, 2015, 06:13:16 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 08, 2015, 11:21:59 AM
Why do you think he did bad defencively?
Do you think he should have saved that goal?

Gave away a bad free in front of the posts which could have been a black card by handling ball on ground (I'm not sure what the ruling would be on this, anyone?). Seems strange to me that it's not a penalty, but whatever. I think he could have been more centrally positioned before the goal also. His frees, which are meant to be his real positive, were absolutely woeful bar one nice strike and him coming up for the last kick of the game was madness considering his form in the game.

Technical foul in big square  = free
Technical foul in small square = pen

I actually thought it shouldnt have been a foul at all as he struck the ball on the ground which I believe you are allowed to do (or at least used to be).
Im not sure where youar e getting the black card out of?  ???

Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 08, 2015, 10:53:41 PM
Usual over the top reaction to tyrones tactics. It wasn't a great game but it was still very interesting. I'm sensing a lot of fear for Dublin fans. They were used to stuffing teams in recent years and think counties like tyrone should lie down to their full time athletes. Last year they were the first ever county to crowned all Ireland champions in March April time but it's gone a bit wrong since then.

Would people rather pay in to watch dublin win a non event by 15 points?

Tyrone did get men behind the ball last night but you'd swear in the media and from some on here that they stayed there all night. Tyrone scored 12 times kicked 12 wides a lot of them very scoreable, kicked 5 into the keepers hands and missed a great goal chance. That's 30 good scoring opportunities which is a lot against a top team.

If we can improve our efficiency anything is possible. We dominated that game last night and have only been playing that way for 3 games. A bit of tweaking on the offensive side over the next few months and we'll give any one a game. The tactics suit the type of players we have and the players are showing a lot of heart.

I don't mind the abuse. It's when people aren't talking about tyrone that we need to be worried. For some reason we seem to be up there as the most hated gaa county in Ireland. It'll be some craic with rte if we start getting competitive again.

100% agree - if half the wides had dropped and we'd won by 5 or 6 then you would have tons ay that the headlines would have been more focused on Jim Gavin rather than Tyrone

Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 09, 2015, 08:15:57 AM

Quote from: tyroneman on March 08, 2015, 07:12:46 PM

Quote from: stibhan on March 08, 2015, 06:13:16 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 08, 2015, 11:21:59 AM
Why do you think he did bad defencively?
Do you think he should have saved that goal?

Gave away a bad free in front of the posts which could have been a black card by handling ball on ground (I'm not sure what the ruling would be on this, anyone?). Seems strange to me that it's not a penalty, but whatever. I think he could have been more centrally positioned before the goal also. His frees, which are meant to be his real positive, were absolutely woeful bar one nice strike and him coming up for the last kick of the game was madness considering his form in the game.

Technical foul in big square  = free
Technical foul in small square = pen

I actually thought it shouldnt have been a foul at all as he struck the ball on the ground which I believe you are allowed to do (or at least used to be).
Im not sure where youar e getting the black card out of?  ???

He was outside the small square.

Supposing Dublin had opted for the same tactics as Tyrone wat would the score have been?
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A 03-02 thriller?

Quote from: Jinxy on March 09, 2015, 11:01:01 AM

Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 09, 2015, 08:15:57 AM

Quote from: tyroneman on March 08, 2015, 07:12:46 PM

Quote from: stibhan on March 08, 2015, 06:13:16 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 08, 2015, 11:21:59 AM
Why do you think he did bad defencively?
Do you think he should have saved that goal?

Gave away a bad free in front of the posts which could have been a black card by handling ball on ground (I'm not sure what the ruling would be on this, anyone?). Seems strange to me that it's not a penalty, but whatever. I think he could have been more centrally positioned before the goal also. His frees, which are meant to be his real positive, were absolutely woeful bar one nice strike and him coming up for the last kick of the game was madness considering his form in the game.

Technical foul in big square  = free
Technical foul in small square = pen

I actually thought it shouldnt have been a foul at all as he struck the ball on the ground which I believe you are allowed to do (or at least used to be).
Im not sure where youar e getting the black card out of?  ???

He was outside the small square.

This is what i meant:

"Any player who falls or is knocked to the
ground while in possession of the ball may
fist or palm the ball away on the ground,
and may score by so doing."

however Morgon wouldnt have been in possesion of the ball so i suppose its not relevant.
Even so, you would almost never see this being allowed

Morgan was poor for the goal, should have saved that.

It was fisted fairly powerfully from 6 yards out right into the bottom corner, cant see any keeper in Ireland being expected to save that tbh.

It lobbed into the corner, softest goal I've seen in a long time. Morgan badly at fault, his confidence must have been at odds due to the missed frees. The burden of free taking should be taken away.

(http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2013/06/niall-morgan-react-to-the-crowd-2652013-310x415.jpg)

Quote from: Keyser soze on March 09, 2015, 02:21:10 PM
It was fisted fairly powerfully from 6 yards out right into the bottom corner, cant see any keeper in Ireland being expected to save that tbh.

His positioning didn't look the greatest (looked too close to the near post) but his defence definitely didnt do much to help him; Morgan as keeper would have be primarily concerned about the player in possession and the threat of him shooting [no comments about Eoghan O'Gara's finishing please  ;) ] - the fact that Cavanagh was the player closest to Rock surely raises questions about Tyrone's overall defending as a unit on the goal, especially given how deep Tyrone had been defending all night. Basically leaving a man unmarked at the far post has to go down as very slack defending from Morgan's defenders, especially when Dublin were desperately in need of a goal. Maybe Tyrone were a bit confused with their marking as Dublin had replaced Brady for Costello a few minutes earlier and this possibly might have lead to a mixup in marking.

Would be very interesting to look at the goal in detail and see who was meant to be marking Rock, where everyone in the Tyrone defence was for the goal.

Quote from: JoG2 on March 09, 2015, 03:00:14 PM
(http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2013/06/niall-morgan-react-to-the-crowd-2652013-310x415.jpg)

yes you do have lovely ears

Are yis for real lads
We were right behind the goal and it went right into the corner
I can be critical of Morgan at times for his attitude and how he wants to hit all these frees but I think he's a very good keeper and to say he should have saved that is just ridiculous.

The defender should have made bloody sure Rock should have got so much time to get a clean hand onto it to pick his spot
Its not like he was just punching it anywhere towards the goal with loads of pressure.

The big question now is will he continue taking them. As someone said to me on Sat could we not mix it the odd time and take a quick free short and then kick it over. We've enough good kickers like Mattie, Sean and usually McCurry

Meant to ask what do ye make of this young Bradley?
Who is he? Where from? Is he any good or will he be? Best position? half back I suppose with everyone else Haha

Interesting to read the differences in attitude with some of the Dubs posters on here.
Some of ye are like the fans on Sat night just totally frustrated with playing against these very defensive systems and get annoyed by it whereas others like Squire & a few others have got over the whining about it stage and just accept its here to stay so how do we overcome it
Tyrone have been frustrated in Ulster for the last 4 or years with Donegal tormenting them with it and now Monaghan are doing the same to us. So sadly we had to bite the bullet and play the same way.
Being honest I miss the nice attack open football which is much nicer to watch but and the same time Tyrone created some very good chances on Sat night and missed a fortune so maybe we're not as bad as we're being made out.

As I said before Dublin need to get their game sorted out cos if they play the gung-ho way for the 1st half of teh summer its very hard then to suddenly turn it on for the tougher games.

fuzzman club football must not be your scene if you dont know mark bradley

Quote from: skeog on March 09, 2015, 03:30:33 PM
fuzzman club football must be your scene if you dont know mark bradley

Nor buy a programme when he goes to the games.

Quote from: skeog on March 09, 2015, 03:30:33 PM
fuzzman club football must not be your scene if you dont know mark bradley

He has been one of the best forwards in Tyrone club football for a couple of seasons now, but may be too wee to play at intercouny level.
Talented lad though, great finisher and we arent exactly coming down with scoring forwards at the minute.
He is from Killyclogher

Quote from: LeoMc on March 09, 2015, 03:38:58 PM

Quote from: skeog on March 09, 2015, 03:30:33 PM
fuzzman club football must be your scene if you dont know mark bradley

Nor buy a programme when he goes to the games.

In fairness to Fuzz I think he resides in Dublin and has done for quite a few years so he can be excused for not knowing too much about Bradley. However, anyone following club football in Tyrone and specifically Div 1 would know all about him - very good player but small which may come against him as we have quite a few nippy, small accurate inside men but we cant play a team full of them...

On the Morgan issue - no one can deny he is a top keeper but he is not a top free kicker. If he was a forward he would be removed from frees after 2 or max 3 misses so why do we persist in him taking frees especially as they are always 40+ yards out and you must be playing with confidence to strike them over on a consistent basis. I would even go so far as to say it is possibly affecting his overall game. I don't think he should be put under that added pressure of taking frees unless they are 55+ out. Let the others take responsibility and if they don't have the capacity to make the distance then play it short and work a score from there. Let Morgan stick to the position he is best at and don't apply any more pressure on him.

Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 09, 2015, 03:51:42 PM

Quote from: skeog on March 09, 2015, 03:30:33 PM
fuzzman club football must not be your scene if you dont know mark bradley

He has been one of the best forwards in Tyrone club football for a couple of seasons now, but may be too wee to play at intercouny level.
Talented lad though, great finisher and we arent exactly coming down with scoring forwards at the minute.
He is from Killyclogher

BUOS, you are possibly correct that we don't have scoring forwards but any that we do have are either sitting on the bench, playing deep or have quit the panel. Ability to run at speed up and down is now the No.1 requirement is seems not the ability to shoot and score...

Quote from: Mikhailov on March 09, 2015, 03:57:13 PM

Quote from: LeoMc on March 09, 2015, 03:38:58 PM

Quote from: skeog on March 09, 2015, 03:30:33 PM
fuzzman club football must be your scene if you dont know mark bradley

Nor buy a programme when he goes to the games.

In fairness to Fuzz I think he resides in Dublin and has done for quite a few years so he can be excused for not knowing too much about Bradley. However, anyone following club football in Tyrone and specifically Div 1 would know all about him - very good player but small which may come against him as we have quite a few nippy, small accurate inside men but we cant play a team full of them...

On the Morgan issue - no one can deny he is a top keeper but he is not a top free kicker. If he was a forward he would be removed from frees after 2 or max 3 misses so why do we persist in him taking frees especially as they are always 40+ yards out and you must be playing with confidence to strike them over on a consistent basis. I would even go so far as to say it is possibly affecting his overall game. I don't think he should be put under that added pressure of taking frees unless they are 55+ out. Let the others take responsibility and if they don't have the capacity to make the distance then play it short and work a score from there. Let Morgan stick to the position he is best at and don't apply any more pressure on him.

Fair point about Morgan - seems that Harte has had a lot of faith in him as free taker...pressure would be serious and is bound to be effecting his game...hope he breaks thru it...seems like a good lad too

Quote from: Johnnybegood on March 09, 2015, 11:10:21 AM
Supposing Dublin had opted for the same tactics as Tyrone wat would the score have been?
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A 03-02 thriller?

Dublin had 14 behind the 45 when Tyrone were attacking on several occasions. Looked to be similar tactics to me.....

Thanks Mikhailov. Pity some others weren't so helpful. Its the World wide Web lads not Tyrone only.
I agree if Mickey is smart he'll stop these long frees. Too often were just kicking away possession.
Cork will be a tough game.

Is this Bradley's first year in the squad? Is he a cf?

He fair announced himself in that 2012 minor match v Armagh

Quote from: tyroneman on March 09, 2015, 10:55:18 PM
He fair announced himself in that 2012 minor match v Armagh

He sure did, he was a brilliant minor, must of got about 2-5 that day. Armagh were a pretty decent minor team that year as well.

Bradley is a fine wee player. Great off both feet, intelligent runs and passes and no shortage of confidence. Wide open spaces of Croke Park will suit him. If he can mix it against the physical side of Dublin, he will be inter-county standard. I liked the way he won a few awkward balls on Saturday. Is it just me or are there several greedy forwards on the Tyrone team?

Quote from: tyroneman on March 09, 2015, 08:24:39 PM

Quote from: Johnnybegood on March 09, 2015, 11:10:21 AM
Supposing Dublin had opted for the same tactics as Tyrone wat would the score have been?
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A 03-02 thriller?

Dublin had 14 behind the 45 when Tyrone were attacking on several occasions. Looked to be similar tactics to me.....

No they didn't. Never happened.

Btw forgot to point out earlier that despite the two poor games it was still great value at E15 for a stand ticket.

Quote from: Canalman on March 10, 2015, 09:19:34 AM

Quote from: tyroneman on March 09, 2015, 08:24:39 PM

Quote from: Johnnybegood on March 09, 2015, 11:10:21 AM
Supposing Dublin had opted for the same tactics as Tyrone wat would the score have been?
1 all
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A 03-02 thriller?

Dublin had 14 behind the 45 when Tyrone were attacking on several occasions. Looked to be similar tactics to me.....

No they didn't. Never happened.

Btw forgot to point out earlier that despite the two poor games it was still great value at E15 for a stand ticket.

:o The hurling had 55 scores in 70 mins - can you lads decide what you want from a match so we are all clear? 

I actually find the defending in numbers and breaking at speed quite exciting to be honest, why expose your team in 1 on 1 battles were you might come out the worse for it, Spillane, Brolly and ORourke played in some of the ugliest games ever produced so I wouldnt listen to a word they spout out