Who are the favourites?
I suppose Armagh (only team playing in Division 2) and Roscommon (Div 3 champions) must be the front-runners.
Four groups of three counties: A: Sligo, Armagh, Tyrone; B: Donegal, longford and Leitrim; C: Roscommon, Fermanagh, and Monaghan; D: louth, Warwickshire and Cavan.
Top 2 qualify for quarter-finals.
Fixtures:
-- 23.06.07 (Sat) Round 1 --
Group 3A
Sligeach v Ard Mhacha
Tír Eoghain bye
Group 3B
Liatroim v Longfort
Dún na nGall bye
Group 3C
Ros Comáin v Fear Manach
Muineachán bye
Group 3D
Warwickshire v An Lú
An Cabhán bye
-- 30.06.07 (Sat) Round 2 --
Group 3A
Ard Mhacha v Tír Eoghain
Sligeach bye
Group 3B
Longfort v Dún na nGall
Liatroim bye
Group 3C
Fear Manach v Muineachán
Ros Comáin bye
Group 3D
An Lú v An Cabhán
Warwickshire bye
-- 07.07.07 (Sat) Round 3 --
Group 3A
Tír Eoghain v Sligeach
Ard Mhacha bye
Group 3B
Dún na nGall v Liatroim
Longfort bye
Group 3C
Muineachán v Ros Comáin
Fear Manach bye
Group 3D
An Cabhán v Warwickshire
An Lú bye
-- 14.07.07 (Sat) --
Quarter-Finals
-- 21.07.07 (Sat) --
Semi-Finals
-- 12.08.07 --
Final
Any pricing on this LoneShark ???
Should have it by the end of the week. Did all my football stuff last week, just getting a look at the hurling now - busy out for the next few days though. It'll all be done though.
And I wasn't in charge last year, so the likes of that 9/4 about Derry won't happen again, I can promise you ..... ;)
Quote from: Lone Shark on May 01, 2007, 04:42:05 PM
Should have it by the end of the week. Did all my football stuff last week, just getting a look at the hurling now - busy out for the next few days though. It'll all be done though.
And I wasn't in charge last year, so the likes of that 9/4 about Derry won't happen again, I can promise you ..... ;)
Sorted yet Lone Shark? I'd be on Armagh.
I'd like to see prices for this as well. Armagh will be very well prepared and have a good chance despite a tough draw.
Hurling - Nicky Rackard Cup - (Tournament winner) Saturday 23rd of June, 2007
Roscommon 4/5
Armagh 7/4
Donegal 10/1
Sligo 12/1
Louth 12/1
Longford 14/1
Tyrone 20/1
Warwickshire 33/1
Leitrim 80/1
Cavan 100/1
Fermanagh 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
Each-way bets 1/3 odds first 2
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Hurling - Christy Ring Cup 2007 - (Tournament winner) Saturday 23rd of June, 2007
Down 7/4
Westmeath 9/4
Carlow 5/1
Wicklow 7/1
Kerry 12/1
Meath 12/1
Kildare 16/1
Derry 25/1
Mayo 50/1
London 500/1
Each-way bets 1/2 odds first 2
Copyright ©2007 Ladbrokes
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I've heard Tyrone only started back training this week after a month or 2 of doing nothing. They were flying in the league this year until they got a few injuries. Tyrone really should be up with Armagh at this level, wasnt too long ago they beat them by 17 odd points in the championship. The problem is getting the best hurlers from Dungannon, Carrickmore, Strabane and Coalisland to turn out and play. The winner favourites have to be Roscommon and Armagh, with Donegal Tyrone and Louth thereabouts.
Lone shark, can you give any indication as to what way the market is going in this one?
Is there any or much money going on each of the teams or is it impractical of me to ask that.
Anybody going to any of the games today? Post any results as they happen please
Quote from: SimpleSimon on June 21, 2007, 11:48:55 PM
Lone shark, can you give any indication as to what way the market is going in this one?
Is there any or much money going on each of the teams or is it impractical of me to ask that.
You're always welcome to ask. I won't guarantee that I'll answer, but you can ask... ;)
After the early money for Armagh, at what I now accept must have been a wrong price, the market has settled and I've seen very few bets of note. A few quid for Longford from Longford people, a bit of money for Warwickshire to turn over Louth in the group, but essentially very little. No doubt it'll take off again after the weekend's games.
Very high scoring by louth and I see roscommon won 7-27 to 1-06 against fermanagh. They both must be sharp teams this could turn out to be a cracking competition and very open. Donegal and Tyrone won't be far away either.
Quote from: SimpleSimon on June 23, 2007, 08:16:43 PM
Very high scoring by louth and I see roscommon won 7-27 to 1-06 against fermanagh. They both must be sharp teams this could turn out to be a cracking competition and very open. Donegal and Tyrone won't be far away either.
Shows the massive gap in standards between the best and worst counties in the country in hurling - Fermanagh beaten by almost 40 points by Roscommon who in turn were beaten by around 60 points in the Christy Ring Cup last year by Antrim who in turn would probably lose to Kilkenny by about 30 points if they played in a championship match.
I know hurling has more scores in it than football but the gap between top and bottom is nowhere near as bad. The gap in class between different counties in hurling is depressing for the future of the game.
Huge win for Roscommon! I know Meath are using the new rule and have a lad from Tipp leading their attack. Have any other counties selected lads from the stronger counties?
Bad result for sligo though apparently they were missing a few key players. Hopefully they will be back for the Tyrone game.
-This Saturdays fixtures.-
Group 3A
Ard Mhacha v Tír Eoghain
Armagh are going well. The run out in Ulster has done them the power of good and they will be far to strong for Tyrone. I hear the Tyrone preparation hasn't gone well and there's a wee bit of dissent in the camp. Armagh to win by 8.
Group 3B
Longfort v Dún na nGall
Donegal aren't the force they were at this level but should still have too much for Longford who beat Leitrim last week but lost the Leinster Shield final to Down Juniors. Donegal to win by 6.
Group 3C
Fear Manach v Muineachán
This one will be tighter than you might think after Fermangh got tanked by Roscommon. Monaghan to win by a pt.
Group 3D
An Lú v An Cabhán
Louth to win by 10.
I think Armagh will have too much in the tank for Tyrone, but Coulter is struggling with a dead leg and would like to see how Armagh coped without him.
the game was originally scheduled for Cross, has it beed switched to Keady and at what time.
QuoteLongford who beat Leitrim last week but lost the Leinster Shield final to Down Juniors
That was after a replay, after dominating (apparently) the game in Tullamore (conceded a last minute goal - that I did see), and I think we beat Donegal in the League, so I'd expect it to be closer than was predicted.
Spirit, I was led to believe Armagh played without declan Coulter last week as well. So it shouldn't be the shock to them you are suggesting. I have no doubt a few of the other forwards will step up and do their bit.
But you never know declan could be available yet!
Match is in keady at 7pm, arrive early to avoid the ques! I think anyone around should go and see the game. Might even turn up myself :)
Roscommon have no outside players on the panel
Any results through from today?
Armagh best Tyrone by 10 points, don't know the score in what was a lot tighter game than the winning margin would suggest.
Was at the game in keady. armagh won 3-13 to 1-9 not 2-13. Good ole Aertel has Donegal beating Longford by four. anyone know which it is? My bet is the simpletons in Aertel have got it wrong again.
Was there much of a crowd in Keady?
From what I know ger rogan is not the manager, he's a selector. Mattie lennon is the manager. I think you under estimated the crowd, there was closer to 200! Exile how come you were at the armagh match?
Was on the way back from Antrim game and thought I would see what sort of standard Armagh were at. Apologies to Aertel and demerit to Setanta for getting the Longford/Donegal game wrong (Donegal won by four). coverage of Rackard games seems to have slipped badly in the Indo this year, with just a cursory "round-up".
I was at the Armagh game on Saturday, although a convincing score line, Armagh were not worth a 10 point victory. A scrapy performance i thought with the forwards, although showing glimpses of skill did not function as a unit. The Ref contributed to the stop start nature of the game with a lot of hop balls and petty frees given in the tackle. A win is a win though. Paul McCormack was a class act at Centre back.
As you were at the game Spirit did you notice the crowd of young hooligans beside the changing rooms taking bets on scores and misses in the game. This is discraceful for an amater sport and i heard that a large sum of money changed hands with people betting on the outcome of Ryan Gaffneys penalty. ;)
Hooligans!! Why what did they do? I too was at the game but this is the first I have heard of this. I don't are how these actions caused anyone any harm, though not exactly showing much faith in the players involved.
Quote from: rolloutking on July 02, 2007, 07:08:31 PM
As you were at the game Spirit did you notice the crowd of young hooligans beside the changing rooms taking bets on scores and misses in the game. This is discraceful for an amater sport and i heard that a large sum of money changed hands with people betting on the outcome of Ryan Gaffneys penalty. ;)
Well ROK, I'll get my quid back don't worry.
Apparently the quarter-finals of the Rackard Cup are an open draw. Does that mean teams from the same group qualifying could play each other. Would say the other six teams would be hoping for an Armagh v Roscommon quarter-final.
True, I heard it is an open draw which doesn't really make sense to me. I'd say roscommon probably wouldn't mind getting Armagh either. Though i'd like to see them stay apart for a while yet to add to the competition.
First team drawn out gets home advantage as far as I know which could put a twist in a few of the ties when made!
When is the Draw as the 1/4 finals are to be played next Saturday?
Draw is Sunday or monday!
Teams in the draw are:
Roscommon
Monaghan
Donegal
Longford
Armagh
Tyrone
Louth
Warrickshire
Though I stand to be corrected! There should be some good games from that.
Anyone know the outcome of the draw? Was to be made this afternoon. Here is hoping Armagh and Roscommon are kept apart as I would love to see both teams in Croker.
Draw is being made in Croker between 3.30 and 4pm today.
According to Hoganstand.com....
The draw for the Nicky Rackard Cup quarter finals was also made today. The quarter finals, to be played next Saturday, will see Roscommon play Monaghan, Louth play Warwickshire, Armagh against Tyrone and Donegal against Longford.
That strikes me as ridiculous. All four group winners drew their group runners up. I know you'd expect all four of them to win anyway, but even so.... ::)
Will you still be pricing these matches up loneshark? It does seem coincidental the way each group winner got the runner-up from their same group.
Freaky if you ask me ;)
Armagh wern't great against Tyrone but should take them again.
Were are the games going to be played.
When I see the fixtures confirmed they will be priced. You won't be getting rich off them though. I'll have to look into the Donegal/Longford one a bit more closely, but the others will all be 1/10 or shorter.
Why the wink spirit? Was this not the open draw that it was supposed to be?
Will you consider laying any handicap prices? That Donegal game will be very close I would think, little between them in the group I think. Tyrone could also upset the applecart, excuse the pun ;)
Quote from: SimpleSimon on July 09, 2007, 09:09:16 PM
Will you consider laying any handicap prices? That Donegal game will be very close I would think, little between them in the group I think. Tyrone could also upset the applecart, excuse the pun ;)
Not a prayer.
I really want to price these games in order to provide as good a service as possible, but the likes of last weekend when I get absolutely hosed by half the Ards peninsula who know that Down are not going to make any effort down in Kerry, it makes it a lot harder to justify.
(Yes, I know there were injuries, but Kerry still lost to Meath by ten points the previous week. There is no way I have access to the kind of information I'd need to price games like this accurately)
Lone shark, every hurling fan in ulster knows kerry is a dog of a place to go to. Antrim have been beat there a few times. Ulster hurling teams generally travel the day of the match, not great preparation an 8 hour bus journey you know??
Quote from: slow corner back on July 09, 2007, 09:36:02 PM
Lone shark, every hurling fan in ulster knows kerry is a dog of a place to go to. Antrim have been beat there a few times. Ulster hurling teams generally travel the day of the match, not great preparation an 8 hour bus journey you know??
Five competitive home wins between league and championship over the last three years, with Kildare probably the biggest scalp. Yeah, it's a real fortress.
I don't want anyone misinterpreting this - I am not saying that there was anything going on here. I'm certianly not implicating players or anything like that. I'm saying that the fact that Down were in bad shape, beyond the injuries, was obviously common knowledge around Ards based on the betting patterns, and in contrast to how Down went to Mullingar and gave Westmeath socks of it down there, a team ten points better than Kerry, this wasn't going to happen here.
The reason this comes up is that I have punters on this website and elsewhere complaining that I don't offer a lot of markets like this (to be fair to Simple Simon he justs asks the question and accepts the answer, and I would never want anyone to stop asking) but even so I've just lost more money on this game than I took on every other Christy Ring game so far put together, based on team info that I was not and never could be privy to. I felt it was an adequate explanation in terms of why handicap betting on Nicky Rackard games is out of the question.
To be honest I didbly think it would be justifiable for you. I did hear from someone in the know about the Down v Kerry betting though, I was told there were a number of payouts suspended pending investigation, any thruth? I found it hard to believe.
How did this money get on when I and others were being restricted to small amounts on a previous bets
Quote from: SimpleSimon on July 09, 2007, 11:56:44 PM
To be honest I didbly think it would be justifiable for you. I did hear from someone in the know about the Down v Kerry betting though, I was told there were a number of payouts suspended pending investigation, any thruth? I found it hard to believe.
How did this money get on when I and others were being restricted to small amounts on a previous bets
Not with Ladbrokes anyway, all bets have been paid out. I suppose there's no chance you could tell me where that rumour came from?
As for bets getting on, well I'm hardly about to post up on a discussion board the ways that people circumvent betting systems. Sorry about that....
I wasn't expecting an answer. I'd say I could guess! I just heard from a punter I know who knows a few people...only heard on Sunday mind you which wasn't much use, he hadn't backed it either so I thought it was here say until I seen your response on this thread.
Quote from: Lone Shark on July 09, 2007, 09:30:07 PM
Quote from: SimpleSimon on July 09, 2007, 09:09:16 PM
Will you consider laying any handicap prices? That Donegal game will be very close I would think, little between them in the group I think. Tyrone could also upset the applecart, excuse the pun ;)
Not a prayer.
I really want to price these games in order to provide as good a service as possible, but the likes of last weekend when I get absolutely hosed by half the Ards peninsula who know that Down are not going to make any effort down in Kerry, it makes it a lot harder to justify.
(Yes, I know there were injuries, but Kerry still lost to Meath by ten points the previous week. There is no way I have access to the kind of information I'd need to price games like this accurately)
To say that the Down hurlers didn't try against Kerry is a bit rich there lone shark. The team was decimated and yes the dogs on the street knew the odds of them winning should of been long, so if a bookie makes a f**k up then yes people are going to take advantage. As for the bet being withheld, I don't know if it was with Ladbrokes or not as he but in on in a bookies in belfast, don't know if Ladbrokes has offices over here as well as the on-line stuff.
As for lack of information, I'd posted on the Christy Ring thread that Down had lost their only real scoring threat, their centre back to suspension and their corner back as well as a few other injuries to starting players. I think even the hogan stand had it as well, so someone wasn't doing their homework. Toals in Portaferry or Foxes in Kircubbin certainly weren't offering such generous odds.
Armagh play Tyrone this Saturday at 3pm in Keady.
Loneshark any odds on Armagh doing the double (no not the dole thing) - the hurlers and the Ladies Footballers.
Quote from: johnneycool on July 10, 2007, 08:33:24 AM
To say that the Down hurlers didn't try against Kerry is a bit rich there lone shark. The team was decimated and yes the dogs on the street knew the odds of them winning should of been long, so if a bookie makes a f**k up then yes people are going to take advantage. As for the bet being withheld, I don't know if it was with Ladbrokes or not as he but in on in a bookies in belfast, don't know if Ladbrokes has offices over here as well as the on-line stuff.
As for lack of information, I'd posted on the Christy Ring thread that Down had lost their only real scoring threat, their centre back to suspension and their corner back as well as a few other injuries to starting players. I think even the hogan stand had it as well, so someone wasn't doing their homework. Toals in Portaferry or Foxes in Kircubbin certainly weren't offering such generous odds.
Yes, Down had injuries. Incidentally most of the bets that did the damage were taken well before Hogan stand posted anything about the injuries, so to say that the Dogs on the street knew when I am an Offalyman living in Galway is a bit of a stretch. (Yes I know people had made posts, but I can't be checking every thread and nor can I be taking the posts of an internet forum as gospel, irrespective of who they come from) People give out when I don't do games like this, and it's not practical to wait until I see a team announced somewhere because I'd be waiting all week and the bets would only be up for around 24 hours. Interesting how despite all these "dogs" knowing about this not a single bet came from outside the Ards peninsula.
However - and here is the relevant thing - Down went to Westmeath in their first match of this competition and lost by a point, a fair reflection of two evenly match teams. TWELVE of that team lined out down in Kerry. Yes Johnston is a fine player, worth three or four points at least. (However he only scored two against Westmeath), but you cannot for a minute tell me that losing by ten points to Kerry is an acceptable result for 80% of that team. On a normal day Down would be beating that Kerry by seven or eight points - if you replaced those three lads with cardboard cut outs you shouldn't have an eighteen point swing.
Once again - let me stress I am not suggesting this game was thrown or anything like that. I am saying that Down clearly did not put their best foot forward in this game (much like Offaly put in a pathetic show against Cork) and several people knew this was coming. From a bookies point of view this is hard to take, because at the end of the year unless something unusual happens I'm going to have to break down my profit and loss as per competition and take the decision that I can't price stuff like this anymore, which I don't want to do.
Now if anyone here wants to try and explain to me why I should come to any other decision, please tell me, but don't try to tell me that I "didn't do my homework".
Incidentally, that was NOT our shop who is witholding payment - I would not let that happen. However I see the fact that you are unsure on this thread didn't stop you from saying it was us anyway on another thread. Bad form if I may say so sir, and I'll ask you to change it. Ladbrokes have no shops in Belfast to my knowledge - only in Derry within the six.
If one is happy to lay match prices, should one not be happy to lay handicap prices. Are they not connected
Is anyone going to any of the rackard games tomorrow?
Armagh hammered Tyrone 2-19 to 1-09 today.
Tyrone hit 12 wides in the first half.
Why can't this draw be made today along with all the others? It just belittle's the competition by only making it the Monday of the semi-finals! Unless off course it has been made, if so can someone please post!
Armagh v Donegal at Keady on Sat at 3pm
Louth v Roscommon at Drogheda at 3pm
Armagh v Roscommon at Croke Park ;)
Great result for Armagh and would be quite ironic if they were to win something this year with the footballers not.
Do the Nicky Rackard winners automatically go into the Christy Ring for the following year?
Yes. and somebody drops down to the Rackard Cup
Donegal and Louth could have a few things to say about that potential lineup in Croker
I'm not 100 per cent it's automatic that the winners go up like they have done in the past. They might have to play-off against bottom in the Christy Ring. The same goes for the Chrsity Ring winners and bottom in the Liam McCarthy
The finallists from 2007 both go up to the christy Ring cup in 2008. No relegation from the Ring this year.
Brokencrossbar it would be nice and ironic if that were to happen Armagh. But as Neilthemac says I think both louth and donegal will have a lot to say about it as both have been written off since the start of the competition. If I recall I think I said both would be there or there abouts.
Regarding the fixtures I was told the louth game was at 7pm, with the Armagh v Donegal game at 3pm!
When was that decided about both finalists going into the Ring cup?
I knew something was different this year
Sorry to show my ignorance - but can someone confirm if the Armagh v Donegal match is this Saturday 21.7.07
Thanks
Yes datsun its this saturday 21.7.07
delighted to see the Armagh hurlers on the up! Theres always been some fanatical and massively dedicated hurling men in the county and its good to see the work they've been putting in for years finally starting to bear fruit. Nothing won yet and big games ahead but div 2 hurling should stand them in good stead.
Thanks for that Simon
There is no relegation from the Christy Rin this year. Next year will have 12 teams in the CRC. It will be 4 groups of three and run in a similar format to the NRC.
Any coverage in the local papers in Armagh on the Rackard win? I know Examiner did a bit on back page (no pictures), Newry Democrat did 2-page colour spread and was wondering how other papers fare in other areas.
Headin up to Keady on the Saturday for the game, confident for an armagh win although they wont have it all their own way.
Any confirmation on when the final is being played, heard someone say it will precede the Dublin AL1/4 game at croker. What date is this scheduled for.
The final is the 11th of July, before the Dublin Quarter Final, so croke will be empty!
QuoteThe final is the 11th of July
Well I won't be able to go, I only do time travel for really important occasions.
if armagh hurlers get to croke park get down there and support them in numbers
What sort of ticket allocation we Armagh get IF they win. Cant see too many coming when the Dubs are on.
Bit of a shame that the Armagh Donegal match is in Keady, would be a bit fairer if it was in a neutral venue. Armagh have had a lot of home games in the Rackard. A home draw is definitely worth a few points to the home side!
It is hardly armagh's fault the way croke park set uo the venues as first drawn out!
I think every1 should support these games this weekend and not wait for their respective county,s to reach the final!
hurrah! we might get a day in Croker after all.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 20, 2007, 12:43:05 PM
Bit of a shame that the Armagh Donegal match is in Keady, would be a bit fairer if it was in a neutral venue. Armagh have had a lot of home games in the Rackard. A home draw is definitely worth a few points to the home side!
You sound like a bitter Tyronie.......
Is today's game in Keady at 3pm or 3.30pm?
3pm
Good luck to Armagh today
Pitch is bound to be in dodgy shape.
What like a Jumbo...? Two sausage, two bacon, two rasher.... (eh?) - What's the differnce between bacon and rashers?
Stupid song.
Yeah field won't be too hot.
Should be a good game. Crowd at last match was pitiful. Hope a few more get out today before begging for tickets to see history in the making and the Dubs. Well here is hoping.
Best of luck Armagh.
Great win for Armagh. 3-27 to 2-10. Roll on Croker. :D
QuoteGood luck to Armagh today
Pitch is bound to be in dodgy shape.
Great win for Armagh - they hit a purple patch early in the first half and blew Donegal away - they never seemed to recover from that despite looking more than a match for Armagh early on.
Armagh's finishing was devastating throughout, with only a handful of wides.
The pitch was in excellent condition dispite all the recent rain.
Roscommon seem to be having it easy at Drogheda.
Latest, according to Aertel
Rosommon 2-08 Louth 0-03
Fine win for Armagh 3-28 to 2-10. Declan Coulter is a real class act. He scored something like 3-9. So we get a trip to Croker after all!! I hope the bandwagon followers jump on thios one and give our hurlers a bit of support. They deserve it.
Wait til you hear the crys from the Dubs when us an Roscommon get an allocation of tickets for "their" match.
So when will this match be on? Great to see teams like Ros & Armagh getting a chance to croker. Assume Ros would be favorites??
Great win for Armagh, workrate throughout the team was good to see. More improvement is needed I feel for the final though, though it seems we are going in the right direction. Good to are some of the football posters are showing there support for the hurlers.
Excellent win for Armagh on Sat. Pitch was in great nick. Donegal could not handle Coulter what so ever and he did to them what he does to me at training every week, 3-9 from play is exceptional for an All-Ireland semi no matter what level it is. Assures Armagh promotion to Christy Ring and further development.
I'm running a bus to the final from Armagh town all welcome to get behind the lads. Anyone interested drop us a PM.
Are you still allowed on the bus if you dont drink buckfast? ;)
Good to see a bus heading down. They deserve our support. What way will the tickets go out. Is it just the hurling clubs or will football clubs also get allocated a limited number.
An Armagh win and then to hear the Dublin Roar. Sounds like a sweet way to spend a Saturday.
Anyone for the Poc Fada on Saturday, August 4 in Cooley Mountians. The best All-Ireland final of the year and I hope to be there. Eion Kelly is competing this year.
Tickets will be available to football clubs if they ask I'd say. I know hurling clubs get football matches, well I think they do!
Spirit good to hear about the bus.
The two best teams in the competition are in the final which i suppose is the best outcome of any competition.Personally I hope Armagh win because I think it would lift hurling there more than Roscommon who like Derry are a county gone down looking for a confidence boost rather than a county there for the first time.I am a Warwickshire man so we know here what its like to struggle as we had a great year until we were mullered by Louth last day out.But counties like Armagh and Mayo have shown what progress can be made by the "lesser lights"
Bringing this back to the top.
any Dublin or Derry people who dont want their tickets please send them to Ros Co Board Castle St Roscommon.
Spirit does the bus also go through armagh city? ;)
Best of luck to Armagh hurlers in this. In Paul McCormack you have a hurler who would get on any team in Ulster and had he been schooled in Kilkenny probably there too.
Any word on what the ticket allocations are for the county's involved in the final?
Have you many for the bus Spirit? I'm sure there is a big crowd from your club going with 2 representatives.
Tommy, yes Paul is a very good hurler as he's proved playing for Ulster and Ireland in the shinty internationals. But if asked I'm sure he'd rather be playing with Armagh than any other team in Ulster!
Rossfan, is there many travelling up from the west for the game?
Whats the story with tickets for the game. No word yet as to how many the counties are getting. I'd say demand will far outway supply in Roscommon, i've booked two with my club but theres no guarantee in getting any at all.
As for the game i dont really know what to expect, will hope for a good tight game of hurling would benefit both teams as they havent had to excert themselves too much so far with the big scores that they have been piling up against the other teams they have met in the competition.
The benefit of playing in division 2 of the national league and the game against Derry in the Ulster championship which they were unlucky to lose will stand to Armagh, so on that basis Armagh are slight favourites for the title.
We have come on leaps and bounds in the past year compared to the debacle and shame of last year.
COME ON THE ROSSIES
What's the point having the game on the same day as the dub match? Wouldn't it have been
better to pair it with the Monaghan/ Kerry game?
Maybe it's time the GAA fixed a date for the CR and NR cups to be played together in Croke Park on their own. Have all sorts of concessions for kids/families /club tickets etc etc. Also have all the works like band/parade/anthem/President etc
I'm sure it would do more to promote Hurling in Ros/Armagh/Kildare/Westmeath than sticking games on at 12.15 or before a sell out football game with only a few hundred tickets to the Counties.
Similarly with the TM Cup - double it up with the Junior Final or the like.
The point is to shove the game to be back of the queue and not give Armagh and Roscommon hurlers any credit whatsoever for their endeavours this year. Match was originally fixed for Sunday 12 August before Munster champions side of the draw semi final. Moved to Saturday to accomodate the Dublin crowd for an All Ireland 1/4 final. Have the GAA not realised that Nicky Rackard Cup final is an All Ireland Final?
exactly.
the hurling is being shoved around to accommodate Dublin in the football for fecks sake!
Winning the u21 will give Roscommon a lift for the nrc final. Have they many u21's on the senior squad?
our club team wud comfortably beat the nicky rackard cup finalists, thats how shite they are
Quote from: heurebag on August 05, 2007, 07:26:22 PM
our club team wud comfortably beat the nicky rackard cup finalists, thats how shite they are
Excellent post. We will really make strides in improving hurling with that attitude. ???
Where is your club from as i'd beg to differ and I'm imagine you don't get on your club team as no one but a tool would come out with a statement like that!!
well the likes of Roscommon and Armagh would regularly play senior club teams in challenge games, and usually win
i doubt it - louth and roscommon were hockeyed by my club in dublin in recent challenges - the standard is sub dublin club hurling level.
"our club team wud comfortably beat the nicky rackard cup finalists, thats how shite they are"
And your team is?
Be careful how you spell it!
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The Dublin Clubs would be proud of you, you bollocks!!!!
Heurebag - all you proved with that post is you are an idiot! :PFair play to Armagh and Roscommon although they should have had their game played before the Hurling Semi-Final and give them the recognition their efforts deserve. The world doesn't always have to revolve around money for the GAA and while I appreciate the vast number of followers that Dublin footballers have sometimes the GAA shouldn't just do things to make a quick buck. Was at the Cork V Dublin match in Portlaoise at the weekend and that was a disgrace too, two fine young minor teams instead of getting their day in the sun pushed out to an evening throw in rather than getting the chance to grace Croker - not acceptable.
That said best of luck to Matty Lennon and the Armagh lads this week, would be great to see them get a victory with the enhanced effort they are putting into hurling. If Armagh do lose out will Matty rue the fact that the Courtney's and Mc Guinness's are hurling with Down rather than Armagh! ;)
The Dublin Clubs would be proud of you, you bollocks!!!!
wasn't trying to be smart. fair play to all concerned-it takes real dedication to play at that level in my view considering how little exposure they get.just commenting on what i saw. i actually witnessed the louth game as were training beside it. The reality is unfortunately that the top louth team plays in the dubli intermediate hurling league. Let's face it the Dublin senior league isn't that strong a standard although it is gradullay improving. you'd imagine armagh will probably win out.
INDIANA, I will reply to your response at a more appropriate time, but I must add Louth are not in the NRC final! A number of top Louth teams, used to play in the Armagh league and were regularly hockeyed by Middletown, Keady and Cuchulians. As a result a few of them spent time in Armagh's Division 2. Maybe they have found their level in Dublin's Intermediate League. :P
Pull Hard Hes No Relation, I don't think Mattie will have any regrets regardless of the result as I'd say he will give it his best as will his team.
I'd say the fella's in question are happy where they are and are enjoying hurling with Down.
well i saw 30 mins of the roscommon game as well- and they were well beaten too. that's why i imagine armagh will be the likely winners. i take your point but it louth are so weak them getting to the semi-finals of the competition hardly gives an indication that the standard is especially strong.
Any Armagh or Roscommon Gaels on this board attending Nicky Rackard Final on Saturday?
Anyone looking tickets (Premium Level) can win them in the Newry Democrat, which is out today. Seen it myself and its on orchardcounty site. Yeah Im def going to the game. How long does it take to get from Croker to Mullingar? Armagh Ladies play Tyrone in the All Ire Quarter final at 5.30pm in Mullingar
yeah. crowd of us from Ros heading up
Yeah, I'll be there ;)
I wouldn't miss it. It should be a great occassion.
Quote from: Sidelined on August 07, 2007, 03:09:22 PM
How long does it take to get from Croker to Mullingar? Armagh Ladies play Tyrone in the All Ire Quarter final at 5.30pm in Mullingar
On a normal day about an hour and thirty minutes. But given you're coming from Croker on match day, hard to know. Would take at least 2 hours on a big match day to make the reverse journey, leaving early. Once you get beyond Lucan on the N4 and onto the M4 you'll be laughing but getting that far can be stressful.
1 hour 15 minutes from Phibsboro
Hope to be there but may have to forego the pleasure due to a family occasion.
I hope to be welcoming Nicky Sat night in Athleague though :)
armagh to win, decy coulter is a leg end
Quote from: heurebag on August 07, 2007, 06:44:36 PM
armagh to win, decy coulter is a leg end
A Leg end?? Are you calling him a foot or an arse? ::)
I will be there all being well. Armagh are certainly putting a big effort into hurling and will move up the rankings in the coming years. WQinning on Saturday would be a good start.
Absolutely heading up. Any excuse to get to croker.
Mattie Lennon has done a great job, the lads are in a great
condition and he's given the team a good shape.
Not much support from the business community for Armagh in today's Armagh Observer - only two adverts supporting the team! If it was football there'd be 6 pages!
Quote from: MrTaylor on August 08, 2007, 11:34:34 AM
Not much support from the business community for Armagh in today's Armagh Observer - only two adverts supporting the team! If it was football there'd be 6 pages!
Thats disappointing, but we should expect no better.
I haven't spotted a flag in Armagh city (?) so far - There's a good few around keady, plenty of bunting on the street, lots of support
from the local business with signs out wishing the boys all the best.
Probably because there's a few lads from the town.
Still, disappointing.
Does anyone know of an internet radio station carrying the game, Armagh or Roscommon?
Im headin, ive two repeat exams monday and tuesday but fcuk it.
Hoping for an orange victory (and red) ;)
Quote from: Oraisteach on August 08, 2007, 04:13:49 PM
Does anyone know of an internet radio station carrying the game, Armagh or Roscommon?
Shannonside might be but you never know with them lads (www.shannonside.ie)
The support at a lot of the Armagh matches this season has been atrocious - even at the home matches in Keady. Having said that I'd have expected a bit of bandwagon jumping for the match in Croke Park but Armagh isn't exactly buzzing with excitement. If Armagh want to keep improving the county board and supporters need to get behind them. Unless they reduce their reliance on Coulter for scores they'll be back in the depths in a couple of years anyway!
QuoteIm headin, ive two repeat exams monday and tuesday but fcuk it.
Hoping for an orange victory (and red)
Thats the stuff Cliff
Got my ticket as well - will be there roaring on Ros..................to be honest I know very little about the Armagh team but by all accounts this should be close. Either way should be a great day for both sides and a stepping stone in the right direction......then think I will turn to shouting on Derry in the football
looking forward to the match on Saturday and feel Armagh have every chance. Hope its a close game for the final as the last two finals have been easily won.
Delighted! Setanta Broadband (USA) is offering a package of Armagh-Roscommon and Derry-Dublin on the internet for $9.95.
Up the Orchard and Oak Leaf.
Quote from: Oraisteach on August 10, 2007, 11:49:35 AM
Delighted! Setanta Broadband (USA) is offering a package of Armagh-Roscommon and Derry-Dublin on the internet for $9.95.
Up the Orchard and Oak Leaf.
Absolutely. Will have to check out the bookies this evening, see what odd's you would get. Could be a tasty wee double.
Derry + 3 is evens. Armagh 11/10 Roscommon 10/11 or the otherway round. Whichever makes Rossies the favs
Good luck to Armagh on Sunday!!
Best of luck to the sheepstealers ! Would be good to see a national title coming west
How many hurlings clubs are there in Armagh? I know Lisnaskea and Lisbellaw participate in the Armagh hurling league. How many divisions are there?
im listening to the match on t'internet. whats the standard like?(be gentle with them)
you'd def know it was the 3rd tier of all ireland hurling but there are some skillful players on show. declan coulter from armagh looks a real talent.
Well done to both teams. OK a wee bit slower than the top sides but they all looked like they could hurl out there today. I thought it was a real entertaining game and it was great to see such passion and skill in these so called "weaker counties". A good day for hurling. Hopefully both counties push on in the years to come
What was the result? Couldn't get to listen to it on the net.
Just in - saw the first half 6pts each
What was the final score anyone?
RTE is a disgrace, also the BBC - no mention of an AI Final!
Armagh beaten in Rackard decider
Roscommon edged out Armagh 1-12 to 0-13 in Saturday's Nicky Rackard final.
There was never more than a point in it in the first half and it was was 0-6 to 0-6 at the break with Chris McAlinden having hit three Armagh points.
Armagh keeper Joby Burke had made a great first half save but his mistake allowed sub Gary Fallon to score the crucial second-half goal.
The goal put Roscommon three ahead and Armagh, despite having plenty of possession, couldn't get on terms.
Well done lads . I'm sorry I couldnt get there but still we are
ALL IRELAND HURLING CHAMPIONS 2007
Proud to see Armagh hurling at Croke Park, and they looked very good too.
Thought Armagh were a slighly better outfit, but Roscommon took their free chances and Armagh didn't. That's all part of the game.
Still, very pleased with the showing. The McCormacks were strong, as was McAlinden. Coullter showed real flashes of excellence.
In the end, congratulations to Roscommon, a team that weathered an early storm and came out fine champions.
A good game to watch even if it wasn't in the same league as Waterford/Cork. But sure what is? Fair play to both teams for fighting hard and hurling well. Armagh are on the up in hurling and it's only a matter of time before they are in the Christy Ring.
Arent they in the CR next year?
As far as I know both teams are getting promoted this year as they are bringing the CR up to 12 teams.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 12, 2007, 04:01:00 PM
Arent they in the CR next year?
As far as I know both teams are getting promoted this year as they are bringing the CR up to 12 teams.
That's my understanding too.
Great to see Armagh Hurlers at HQ, and they gave a good account of themselves. They panicked a bit, going for a goal when there
was still ten minutes left and only three points between the teams. Thought young Gaffney had a really good game. Roscommon
just that wee bit more experianced.
Armagh Have two divisions:
In One there is:
Dungannon (Tyrone)
Carrickmore (Tyrone)
Keady
Middletown
Armagh Cuchulains
Lisanaskea (Fermanagh)
Lisbellaw (Fermanagh)
Pearse Og (Louth)
In two there is:
Lurgan
Portadown
Naomh Columcille (Tyrone)
Derrynoose
Killeavy
Camlough
Naomh Monine (Louth)
Decent match, but as mentioned Armagh went looking for the goal to early. Nucleus of a good side, and McAlinden, McCormacks and Coulter shone for them. Up front Gaffney was too reluctant to shoot and for me he just wanted to try and pass every time he got it, and the wee corner forward Bradley simply isn't up to it. Enright was having a stinker, but he would have been more dangerous in the fuill forward line!
Just so you are up to spend on the Roscommon club situation. There is no league, but the championship is run on a round robin format with the top four going into the semi finals. There is also a junior championship run on a round robin format with the top four going into the semi finals for second teams with 5 clubs competing in this along with an amalgamation between Athleague and Tremane.
The clubs are:
Athleague
Four Roads
Padraig Pearses
Oran
Roscommon Gaels
Tremane
St. Domnicks
Castlerea are another club competing well at underage level but have yet to inter into competitions above minor grade.
Revs who are the dominant club in Roscommon? I remember in 88 Four Roads won the Connacht Club championship with a shock win over the Galway champions.
I see big Colm Kelly lined out on saturday still. He was a good hurler in his prime and got a few runs out for Connacht.
He had an older brother play as well, probably bigger than him, horses of men.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 14, 2007, 11:28:08 AM
Decent match, but as mentioned Armagh went looking for the goal to early. Nucleus of a good side, and McAlinden, McCormacks and Coulter shone for them. Up front Gaffney was too reluctant to shoot and for me he just wanted to try and pass every time he got it, and the wee corner forward Bradley simply isn't up to it. Enright was having a stinker, but he would have been more dangerous in the fuill forward line!
Not everybody is a greedy s*ite......
Punxsutawney Fergal:
Athleague would be the more dominant club at the moment at senior grade but Four Roads are always not far away. At underage level Four Roads would be very strong. Yea thats right about Four Roads winning the connaught club title in 1988, Tremane also won it in the 70's think it was 1978 or 79.
Johnneycool:
Colm Kelly is playing club hurling in Westmeath now hes moved there with his wife. I think he plays for Castlepollard but iam not 100% sure on that. Big loss to his home club Oran. His brother Adrain does still play, more of an impact sub at this stage in his hurling career. Still fair play to him for making the long trip to his home club from his adopted home in county Clare.