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Quote from: dublin7 on September 15, 2019, 06:22:08 AM
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Dublin7
I'm happy about Dublin winning yesterday. I was cheering them on yesterday and I will be cheering them on next year. I did not want Kerry to win. I was disgusted they drew the first day. The way that Kerry Pundits write and the sense of entitlement that the Kerry fan carries makes them unbearable.
Dublin's dominance does not affect my county's (Mayo) chances anymore. It's a relief that we are no longer at the front of the chasing pack. We are now part of the forgotten others of GAA football. So I can enjoy this now annual circus of funding imbalance and home venue imbalance without any emotional attachment. Dublin winning and the media/Gaa trying to talk up a meaningful challenger each year has now become amusing.
Less will go to games next year. Already there is a decline. Kerry the leaders now from the chasing pack are renowned for being poor followers.
For Kerry (the Kingdom) there is a real fear. Yesterday Dublin surpassed one of Kerry's crowns by getting 5. In 2010 Dublin had 22 AI titles they now have won 7 in a decade and are at 29. From 1958 to 2010 Dublin won 7 titles, So they are catching up with Kerry's 37 rapidly!
I look forward to congress again this year as the delegates continue to argue over a plethora of red herring issues within the game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 15, 2019, 09:26:40 AM
I'm happy about Dublin winning yesterday. I was cheering them on yesterday and I will be cheering them on next year. I did not want Kerry to win. I was disgusted they drew the first day. The way that Kerry Pundits write and the sense of entitlement that the Kerry fan carries makes them unbearable.
Dublin's dominance does not affect my county's (Mayo) chances anymore. It's a relief that we are no longer at the front of the chasing pack. We are now part of the forgotten others of GAA football. So I can enjoy this now annual circus of funding imbalance and home venue imbalance without any emotional attachment. Dublin winning and the media/Gaa trying to talk up a meaningful challenger each year has now become amusing.
Less will go to games next year. Already there is a decline. Kerry the leaders now from the chasing pack are renowned for being poor followers.
For Kerry (the Kingdom) there is a real fear. Yesterday Dublin surpassed one of Kerry's crowns by getting 5. In 2010 Dublin had 22 AI titles they now have won 7 in a decade and are at 29. From 1958 to 2010 Dublin won 7 titles, So they are catching up with Kerry's 37 rapidly!
I look forward to congress again this year as the delegates continue to argue over a plethora of red herring issues within the game.
Like you who reckons the standard of Dublin's opposition is rising in standard each year?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 15, 2019, 09:26:40 AM
I'm happy about Dublin winning yesterday. I was cheering them on yesterday and I will be cheering them on next year. I did not want Kerry to win. I was disgusted they drew the first day. The way that Kerry Pundits write and the sense of entitlement that the Kerry fan carries makes them unbearable.
Dublin's dominance does not affect my county's (Mayo) chances anymore. It's a relief that we are no longer at the front of the chasing pack. We are now part of the forgotten others of GAA football. So I can enjoy this now annual circus of funding imbalance and home venue imbalance without any emotional attachment. Dublin winning and the media/Gaa trying to talk up a meaningful challenger each year has now become amusing.
Less will go to games next year. Already there is a decline. Kerry the leaders now from the chasing pack are renowned for being poor followers.
For Kerry (the Kingdom) there is a real fear. Yesterday Dublin surpassed one of Kerry's crowns by getting 5. In 2010 Dublin had 22 AI titles they now have won 7 in a decade and are at 29. From 1958 to 2010 Dublin won 7 titles, So they are catching up with Kerry's 37 rapidly!
I look forward to congress again this year as the delegates continue to argue over a plethora of red herring issues within the game.
The inter county game is already fucked, so in a way I hope Dublin go on and win 10 in a row. Let's see HQ defend their Dublin gravy train after that.
Whatever about Dublin's 5 in a row, it has been hugely tainted by their massive funding. So outside of blinkered Dublin fans, it won't get the recognition. The greatest team ever will still be Micko's in the 70's and 80's.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 15, 2019, 06:22:08 AM
This MB has turned into an anti dub forum over the last few years. Who do the neutrals think are most pissed off with dubs doing 5 in a row:
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Change the thread title to "...Dubs BUY Fiv€ in a Row" please
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 15, 2019, 09:26:40 AM
I'm happy about Dublin winning yesterday. I was cheering them on yesterday and I will be cheering them on next year. I did not want Kerry to win. I was disgusted they drew the first day. The way that Kerry Pundits write and the sense of entitlement that the Kerry fan carries makes them unbearable.
Dublin's dominance does not affect my county's (Mayo) chances anymore. It's a relief that we are no longer at the front of the chasing pack. We are now part of the forgotten others of GAA football. So I can enjoy this now annual circus of funding imbalance and home venue imbalance without any emotional attachment. Dublin winning and the media/Gaa trying to talk up a meaningful challenger each year has now become amusing.
Less will go to games next year. Already there is a decline. Kerry the leaders now from the chasing pack are renowned for being poor followers.
For Kerry (the Kingdom) there is a real fear. Yesterday Dublin surpassed one of Kerry's crowns by getting 5. In 2010 Dublin had 22 AI titles they now have won 7 in a decade and are at 29. From 1958 to 2010 Dublin won 7 titles, So they are catching up with Kerry's 37 rapidly!
I look forward to congress again this year as the delegates continue to argue over a plethora of red herring issues within the game.
Kilkenny footballers get a lot of stick but they have been vindicated.
The championship is a farce
Dublin have lost two championship games since 2010, and none the past five years. They probably will only lose one or two in the coming eight or nine years.
But sure what is there to be concerned about? Its just blinkered, anti-Dublin bitterness. ::)
How many British JFCs have Kilkenny won in a row now a Sheafóidín?
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2019, 12:03:46 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 15, 2019, 09:26:40 AM
I'm happy about Dublin winning yesterday. I was cheering them on yesterday and I will be cheering them on next year. I did not want Kerry to win. I was disgusted they drew the first day. The way that Kerry Pundits write and the sense of entitlement that the Kerry fan carries makes them unbearable.
Dublin's dominance does not affect my county's (Mayo) chances anymore. It's a relief that we are no longer at the front of the chasing pack. We are now part of the forgotten others of GAA football. So I can enjoy this now annual circus of funding imbalance and home venue imbalance without any emotional attachment. Dublin winning and the media/Gaa trying to talk up a meaningful challenger each year has now become amusing.
Less will go to games next year. Already there is a decline. Kerry the leaders now from the chasing pack are renowned for being poor followers.
For Kerry (the Kingdom) there is a real fear. Yesterday Dublin surpassed one of Kerry's crowns by getting 5. In 2010 Dublin had 22 AI titles they now have won 7 in a decade and are at 29. From 1958 to 2010 Dublin won 7 titles, So they are catching up with Kerry's 37 rapidly!
I look forward to congress again this year as the delegates continue to argue over a plethora of red herring issues within the game.
Kilkenny footballers get a lot of stick but they have been vindicated.
The championship is a farce
Will be cheering on Dublin ladies today (apologies Seafoid). From the odds of 1/10 for the game, the result will be a formality.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 15, 2019, 06:22:08 AM
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When Kerry were going well, Mick O'Dwyer used to always say, there are 31 and a half counties against us -- that's the rest of the country and half of Kerry.
I don't know how much support Dublin have in their own back yard but I'd be surprised if Micko's quote does not hold true for Dublin as well.
Me.
The video in this link is very interesting :
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/
The GAA have destroyed their number 1 competition
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-orourke-it-was-foolish-to-think-that-it-would-be-any-different-and-it-may-not-change-next-year-either-38498352.html
Leinster LGFA were hoping for Meath to win the intermediate Final today. Tipperary winning means there is no senior team other than Dublin in Leinster. Next year they will have to wait for the group stages to enter the Championship. So much for the tiered system!
I've moved on to indifference at this stage, I didn't even watch the final yesterday which is a first.
I consider myself a fan of sport which are balanced contests with the same rules for everyone. I'm not sure what inter-county football has became but it certainly can't be considered a balanced sport anymore, they've turned it into a complete shambles and even if the GAA are quick to react to the problem (they won't be) it'd take a generation to fix.
Fair play to the bitter ones though, it means they haven't given up and still think the situation can be fixed.
Quote from: Ciar on September 15, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
still think the situation can be fixed.
Of course it can.
There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.
And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.
Dublin superior volunteers kick in again. 6 finals in a row for the Dublin Ladies and now three all Irelands!
Quote from: Hound on September 15, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
Quote from: Ciar on September 15, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
still think the situation can be fixed.
Of course it can.
There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.
And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.
It's not just about 30 players anymore.
Quote from: Hound on September 15, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
Quote from: Ciar on September 15, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
still think the situation can be fixed.
Of course it can.
There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.
And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.
Galway have just parted company with their senior hurling and football managers over budget cuts.
The Dubs get €1.2 m from the GAA and have the biggest sponsorship income.
This problem won't fix itself over time.
It's going to get a lot worse.
Dubs don't want the county to be subdivided but maybe there will be no choice.
Quote from: Ciar on September 15, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
I've moved on to indifference at this stage, I didn't even watch the final yesterday which is a first.
I consider myself a fan of sport which are balanced contests with the same rules for everyone. I'm not sure what inter-county football has became but it certainly can't be considered a balanced sport anymore, they've turned it into a complete shambles and even if the GAA are quick to react to the problem (they won't be) it'd take a generation to fix.
Fair play to the bitter ones though, it means they haven't given up and still think the situation can be fixed.
And what sports do you watch then
Quote from: Hound on September 15, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
Quote from: Ciar on September 15, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
still think the situation can be fixed.
Of course it can.
There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.
And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.
Jez, Get your house in order! You are in a different world. When is the last time you were out of Dublin? Do you think the other 30 counties want a Kerry team to represent them? Well I don't. You are one of those who think the Dublin/Kerry rivalry of the 70's was romantic. Well it might have been romantic for those two counties, But no the rest of us!
The Pompous shite we listen to week in week out from Dubs in Ivory towers tell us what to do with a budget of pennies!
When does the general public realise there is a problem ?
7 in a row ?
When do journalists refuse to take part in the charade ?
Some members of Joe Public realised it earlier this year and stayed away.
Won't hit HQ as a combination of Rhubarbs reaching the Semis and a Final replay means the coffers will be bulging.
Journalists won't bite the hand that feeds them so they will continue to string cliches together.
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2019, 09:31:10 PM
When does the general public realise there is a problem ?
7 in a row ?
When do journalists refuse to take part in the charade ?
We've had nearly 15 in a row in Leinster and there has been hardly a whimper!
Ahh come on , there a special group of goys and they are very humble.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 15, 2019, 09:57:35 PM
Ahh come on , there a special group of goys and they are very humble.
And don't forget they work very hard!
This will take a hit as the Dublin Girlies go for 5 in a row!
(https://scontent-dub4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70000556_10157817376441042_72100621020299264_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQmDb86jfGDJhvGWc8MxpPmU6HkbOduvHisRUVvcSUlG4kNLfsKOIP6uhgdmBXjuEpc&_nc_ht=scontent-dub4-1.xx&oh=ba37a4533dc1db9f71130e8b14011645&oe=5DF0BA01)
Tis a very mean spirited thread...
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 15, 2019, 10:09:15 PM
Tis a very mean spirited thread...
...............even divisive!
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 15, 2019, 09:58:31 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 15, 2019, 09:57:35 PM
Ahh come on , there a special group of goys and they are very humble.
And don't forget they work very hard!
It's the humility that makes me a fan , they are that humble they are not having the homecoming till two weeks time .
How the fck can they have homecoming when they're already at fkn home?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 15, 2019, 09:37:55 PM
Some members of Joe Public realised it earlier this year and stayed away.
Won't hit HQ as a combination of Rhubarbs reaching the Semis and a Final replay means the coffers will be bulging.
Journalists won't bite the hand that feeds them so they will continue to string cliches together.
Average attendance is the key stat
They won't get replays every year
RTÉ are in trouble again. Maybe they could dump the football until sanity returns
Via twitter
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Ansin tháinig an ghairmiúlacht agus Sky TV anuas agus tá an córas rugbaí áitiúil loite acu...
Tá bagairtí níos measa ann don CLG ná BÁC!
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2019, 01:48:58 PM
Me.
Me actually.
I'm still not over the fact the ref missed John Small picking the ball off the ground in the draw in 2016. Nor the ref letting O'Callaghan take 8 steps in 2017.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-put-in-a-champion-performance-to-make-irish-sporting-history-1.4019028
And it is probable that GAA president John Horan and the other custodians may have felt that rising fear akin to what Dr Frankenstein experienced when the creature came alive.
In 2010, the Dubs had won a single All-Ireland since Kevin Heffernan's swansong in 1983. They were sometimes brilliant, sometimes blustery and could usually be relied upon to fall apart. Everyone wanted them to get their act together. But nobody dreamed of what that act could look like until now.
What can the others do? As a golden light fell across the city and the Dublin players enjoyed the field, Peter Canavan stood up in the television broadcast booths and argued that Dublin uphold an amateur ethos with a professional structure while the rest maintain an amateur ethos within an amateur structure.
The Tyrone man hit on something there. It's hard to avoid the sense that there has been a paradigm shift. Dublin won't be returning to the half-assed old ways. They won't be anybody's soft touch ever again. If the other counties – perhaps with GAA strategic help – cannot match them, there is a distinct possibility that the city team will continue to exist on a different plane.
Didnt read the thread, but has to be the Mayo contingent. have a great day :D
Quote from: BennyCake on September 15, 2019, 06:02:53 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 15, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
Quote from: Ciar on September 15, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
still think the situation can be fixed.
Of course it can.
There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.
And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.
It's not just about 30 players anymore.
Why not?
You have your best 30 or so, and replace 2 to 5 each year. No reason a number of counties can't be as good as Kerry.
Quote from: Hound on September 15, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
Quote from: Ciar on September 15, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
still think the situation can be fixed.
Of course it can.
There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.
And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.
That's funny, I could take you seriously if Kerry hadn't lost the All Ireland by the joint biggest margin since 2007 ( same as Tyrone last year ) .
Galway, Cork, Meath, Kildare, Tyrone, Ros , Donegal and Rhubarbs could have a grand All Ireland Senior B competition with the winners facing Dublin in the A Final :-\
Quote from: Rossfan on September 16, 2019, 02:29:27 AM
How the fck can they have homecoming when they're already at fkn home?
Takes two weeks to get from the Gibson hotel to Smithfield.
Quote from: Hound on September 15, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
Quote from: Ciar on September 15, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
still think the situation can be fixed.
Of course it can.
There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.
And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.
Only if Dublin drop in standard and Kerry improve.
Galway's effort v Dublin in 2018 was similar to Kerry's on Saturday. Plenty of reasons on Meath,Kildare and Cork who's level for the foreseeable future will reaching the last eight of the championship at best especially if the last eight doesn't return to straight knock out football.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2019, 07:37:57 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2019, 01:48:58 PM
Me.
Me actually.
I'm still not over the fact the ref missed John Small picking the ball off the ground in the draw in 2016. Nor the ref letting O'Callaghan take 8 steps in 2017.
It was Bastick...and ref gave a free out...Regan his temporal bone too in the collision :-* :-\
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 16, 2019, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 15, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
Quote from: Ciar on September 15, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
still think the situation can be fixed.
Of course it can.
There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.
And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.
That's funny, I could take you seriously if Kerry hadn't lost the All Ireland by the joint biggest margin since 2007 ( same as Tyrone last year ) .
Kerry 10 wides and missed a sitter of a goal chance, which would have levelled the scores. They did draw also previously! But even ignoring that, this was a far more competitive game than the Tyrone final.
Quote from: Hound on September 16, 2019, 10:22:45 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 15, 2019, 06:02:53 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 15, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
Quote from: Ciar on September 15, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
still think the situation can be fixed.
Of course it can.
There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.
And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.
It's not just about 30 players anymore.
Why not?
You have your best 30 or so, and replace 2 to 5 each year. No reason a number of counties can't be as good as Kerry.
Never more has it been about money and funding, and not the players.
In order to compete with Dublin, you need massive funding. You need it continually for 10-15 years, along with facilities, coaches, etc etc. Dublin are also at an advantage as their players live and work in a small area. Take larger counties like Cork, Galway, Donegal etc - players driving big distances to and from training. Plus, that's not counting players who are coming from other parts of the country (mainly Dublin), from college/work. All those hours in a car takes its toll. While Dublin players are resting, Donegal players have 2/3 hours driving ahead of them. Other county players either do the big miles or don't play county at all.
At a time when movement of people towards Dublin City is at an all time high, the rural population is rapidly declining, as is rural football, club and county. How great would it be for Offaly players to be all living and working in around Tullamore, short journey to training, up fresh for work next day. I'd say a lot of them lads are coming from Dublin/Galway etc, big miles from work/college, as the education/jobs just aren't there in Offaly. Same with a hell of a lot of counties.
Training weekends are vital now, that costs huge amounts. That costs money, money that would come from huge multi national brands sponsoring the team shirts. How many big insurance firms are in Longford? Leitrim? Carlow? There's few big companies in those counties. Dublin are paid £1m+ by AIG. How does other counties compete with that? They can't.
Years ago, the old adage that each county have 20 players as good as any other county, and could win an AI. While each county has as good a players as anyone else, most haven't a hope in hell of winning an AI.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 16, 2019, 02:57:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 16, 2019, 10:22:45 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 15, 2019, 06:02:53 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 15, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
Quote from: Ciar on September 15, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
still think the situation can be fixed.
Of course it can.
There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.
And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.
It's not just about 30 players anymore.
Why not?
You have your best 30 or so, and replace 2 to 5 each year. No reason a number of counties can't be as good as Kerry.
Never more has it been about money and funding, and not the players.
In order to compete with Dublin, you need massive funding. You need it continually for 10-15 years, along with facilities, coaches, etc etc. Dublin are also at an advantage as their players live and work in a small area. Take larger counties like Cork, Galway, Donegal etc - players driving big distances to and from training. Plus, that's not counting players who are coming from other parts of the country (mainly Dublin), from college/work. All those hours in a car takes its toll. While Dublin players are resting, Donegal players have 2/3 hours driving ahead of them. Other county players either do the big miles or don't play county at all.
At a time when movement of people towards Dublin City is at an all time high, the rural population is rapidly declining, as is rural football, club and county. How great would it be for Offaly players to be all living and working in around Tullamore, short journey to training, up fresh for work next day. I'd say a lot of them lads are coming from Dublin/Galway etc, big miles from work/college, as the education/jobs just aren't there in Offaly. Same with a hell of a lot of counties.
Training weekends are vital now, that costs huge amounts. That costs money, money that would come from huge multi national brands sponsoring the team shirts. How many big insurance firms are in Longford? Leitrim? Carlow? There's few big companies in those counties. Dublin are paid £1m+ by AIG. How does other counties compete with that? They can't.
Years ago, the old adage that each county have 20 players as good as any other county, and could win an AI. While each county has as good a players as anyone else, most haven't a hope in hell of winning an AI.
The GAA financialised Gaelic Football
The Dubs have
a. EUR 1.2 m per annum
b. the biggest sponsorship deal
c. higher GDP per head than anywhere else
d a 15 year headstart
they could win the next 5, if not more
The sport is broken
I applaud Dublin for making the most of it.
Almost totally different starting 15 from the first of the five shows they are a superb group of players.
Interesting to note in the papers yesterday there was little to nothing about the huge financial gap between the Dubs and the rest of the counties. All rightly applauding the Dubs but missing the elephant in the room.
If the counties dont kick up a stink and the tabloid and TV journalists/pundits are ignoring it the game is totally fecked as we know it.
PS - Anthony Moyles making an arse of himself on Twitter saying the finances have been levelled out :o
Quote from: Hound on September 16, 2019, 02:31:08 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 16, 2019, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 15, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
Quote from: Ciar on September 15, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
still think the situation can be fixed.
Of course it can.
There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.
And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.
That's funny, I could take you seriously if Kerry hadn't lost the All Ireland by the joint biggest margin since 2007 ( same as Tyrone last year ) .
Kerry 10 wides and missed a sitter of a goal chance, which would have levelled the scores. They did draw also previously! But even ignoring that, this was a far more competitive game than the Tyrone final.
The bare stats would say different.
Dublin in last years final scored 2-17 (23)
Dublin in the replay last Saturday scored 1-18 (21)
Tyrone last year scored 1-14 compared to Kerry's 0-15 on Saturday. Tyrone hit as many wides if not more than Kerry did last Saturday. We got a better 1st half on Saturday but in both finals Dublin won pulling up.
You came out with the view after the draw with 14 man Dublin that Kerry knew how to beat Dublin, i think the replay proved otherwise.
Quote from: Taylor on September 16, 2019, 03:22:14 PM
I applaud Dublin for making the most of it.
Almost totally different starting 15 from the first of the five shows they are a superb group of players.
Interesting to note in the papers yesterday there was little to nothing about the huge financial gap between the Dubs and the rest of the counties. All rightly applauding the Dubs but missing the elephant in the room.
If the counties dont kick up a stink and the tabloid and TV journalists/pundits are ignoring it the game is totally fecked as we know it.
PS - Anthony Moyles making an arse of himself on Twitter saying the finances have been levelled out :o
Which is why Dublin should be classed as the greatest panel of all time than team. The Kerry team that almost won 5 in a row was more or less one same starting team in those five years and when you include subs brought on i think they only used 21 players a feat that won't ever be repeated as its more of squad game nowadays.
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Quote from: Taylor on September 16, 2019, 03:22:14 PM
I applaud Dublin for making the most of it.
Almost totally different starting 15 from the first of the five shows they are a superb group of players.
Interesting to note in the papers yesterday there was little to nothing about the huge financial gap between the Dubs and the rest of the counties. All rightly applauding the Dubs but missing the elephant in the room.
If the counties dont kick up a stink and the tabloid and TV journalists/pundits are ignoring it the game is totally fecked as we know it.
PS - Anthony Moyles making an arse of himself on Twitter saying the finances have been levelled out :o
Which is why Dublin should be classed as the greatest panel of all time than team. The Kerry team that almost won 5 in a row was more or less one same starting team in those five years and when you include subs brought on i think they only used 21 players a feat that won't ever be repeated as its more of squad game nowadays.
"almost totally different starting line up" is a bit of an exaggeration! We'd 7 lads who finished the game yesterday who played in the AI final 8 years ago (and another two on the bench). But, yep we've absolutely used more players in the 5 years than Kerry did in those 5 years.
If it was soccer there would be financial fair play rules
Most sports encourage competitiveness to avoid one team dominating
the GAA is way out of its depth with this experiment
Quote from: BennyCake on September 16, 2019, 02:57:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 16, 2019, 10:22:45 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 15, 2019, 06:02:53 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 15, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
Quote from: Ciar on September 15, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
still think the situation can be fixed.
Of course it can.
There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.
And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.
It's not just about 30 players anymore.
Why not?
You have your best 30 or so, and replace 2 to 5 each year. No reason a number of counties can't be as good as Kerry.
Take larger counties like Cork, Galway, Donegal etc - players driving big distances to and from training. Plus, that's not counting players who are coming from other parts of the country (mainly Dublin), from college/work. All those hours in a car takes its toll. While Dublin players are resting, Donegal players have 2/3 hours driving ahead of them. Other county players either do the big miles or don't play county at all.
At a time when movement of people towards Dublin City is at an all time high, the rural population is rapidly declining, as is rural football, club and county. How great would it be for Offaly players to be all living and working in around Tullamore, short journey to training, up fresh for work next day. I'd say a lot of them lads are coming from Dublin/Galway etc, big miles from work/college, as the education/jobs just aren't there in Offaly. Same with a hell of a lot of counties.
Training weekends are vital now, that costs huge amounts. That costs money, money that would come from huge multi national brands sponsoring the team shirts. How many big insurance firms are in Longford? Leitrim? Carlow? There's few big companies in those counties. Dublin are paid £1m+ by AIG. How does other counties compete with that? They can't.
Years ago, the old adage that each county have 20 players as good as any other county, and could win an AI. While each county has as good a players as anyone else, most haven't a hope in hell of winning an AI.
Absolutely agree and I'v mentioned most of those points before.
The binning on McCreevy's decentralisation plan by culchie TDs who were upset at other counties/towns getting extra civil service jobs was a bad day for the GAA. The current administration are doing very little to stop the population drive towards Dublin.
Although just today I came across the following from the American Chamber of Commerce's budget submission:
QuoteSouthern & Western Priorities: Building on the significant enhancements to the road network linking the capital with the main cities of the west and south, the following
projects within the Project 2040 are vitally important opportunities to enhance physical connectivity;
In Munster
• The delivery of the M20 project between Cork and Limerick would significantly enhance the Atlantic/Western economic corridor by linking population centres, industrial clusters, ports and air hubs and thus improving regional connectivity and competitiveness to retain and attract investment.
Proposals for the N28 Cork to Ringaskiddy motorway must be delivered in a timely manner to support high-tech life science investment in that important manufacturing and development hub.
In Galway
• Advancing the N6 Galway City Transport Project, especially improved access to Parkmore's industrial zone
Northwest Accessibility: The American Chamber acknowledges the special attention that the Northwest Region received in the National Planning Framework considering the risks arising from Brexit. The region is not well connected to Dublin or international airports. The development of the A5/N2 between Derry and Dublin remains the priority for American Chamber members in the region. The American Chamber notes that the following are priority short to medium term projects:
• The N14 Letterkenny to Lifford route with connectivity to the A5 (with supporting improvement and bypass projects) to dual carriageway standard;
• In Sligo, while the N4-M4 route upgrade to dual carriageway standard remains the objective, the timely delivery of the N4 Collooney to Castlebaldwin development is greatly anticipated.
• A step forward in connectivity of the midlands and the West will be achieved with the completion of the N5 upgrade.
So maybe people are thinking about it.
Kerry manage to keep a lot of their players in and around the county. Would be interesting to examine how they manage it
A lot more businesses/jobs in Tralee and Killarney than the likes of Elphin and Frenchpark.
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still think the situation can be fixed.
Of course it can.
There's definitely All Ireland's in the Kerry team.
And it just needs Galway, Meath, Kildare and Cork to get their houses in order. No reason why they can't have panels of 30 as good as Kerry.
It's not just about 30 players anymore.
Why not?
You have your best 30 or so, and replace 2 to 5 each year. No reason a number of counties can't be as good as Kerry.
Take larger counties like Cork, Galway, Donegal etc - players driving big distances to and from training. Plus, that's not counting players who are coming from other parts of the country (mainly Dublin), from college/work. All those hours in a car takes its toll. While Dublin players are resting, Donegal players have 2/3 hours driving ahead of them. Other county players either do the big miles or don't play county at all.
At a time when movement of people towards Dublin City is at an all time high, the rural population is rapidly declining, as is rural football, club and county. How great would it be for Offaly players to be all living and working in around Tullamore, short journey to training, up fresh for work next day. I'd say a lot of them lads are coming from Dublin/Galway etc, big miles from work/college, as the education/jobs just aren't there in Offaly. Same with a hell of a lot of counties.
Training weekends are vital now, that costs huge amounts. That costs money, money that would come from huge multi national brands sponsoring the team shirts. How many big insurance firms are in Longford? Leitrim? Carlow? There's few big companies in those counties. Dublin are paid £1m+ by AIG. How does other counties compete with that? They can't.
Years ago, the old adage that each county have 20 players as good as any other county, and could win an AI. While each county has as good a players as anyone else, most haven't a hope in hell of winning an AI.
Absolutely agree and I'v mentioned most of those points before.
The binning on McCreevy's decentralisation plan by culchie TDs who were upset at other counties/towns getting extra civil service jobs was a bad day for the GAA. The current administration are doing very little to stop the population drive towards Dublin.
Although just today I came across the following from the American Chamber of Commerce's budget submission:
QuoteSouthern & Western Priorities: Building on the significant enhancements to the road network linking the capital with the main cities of the west and south, the following
projects within the Project 2040 are vitally important opportunities to enhance physical connectivity;
In Munster
• The delivery of the M20 project between Cork and Limerick would significantly enhance the Atlantic/Western economic corridor by linking population centres, industrial clusters, ports and air hubs and thus improving regional connectivity and competitiveness to retain and attract investment.
Proposals for the N28 Cork to Ringaskiddy motorway must be delivered in a timely manner to support high-tech life science investment in that important manufacturing and development hub.
In Galway
• Advancing the N6 Galway City Transport Project, especially improved access to Parkmore's industrial zone
Northwest Accessibility: The American Chamber acknowledges the special attention that the Northwest Region received in the National Planning Framework considering the risks arising from Brexit. The region is not well connected to Dublin or international airports. The development of the A5/N2 between Derry and Dublin remains the priority for American Chamber members in the region. The American Chamber notes that the following are priority short to medium term projects:
• The N14 Letterkenny to Lifford route with connectivity to the A5 (with supporting improvement and bypass projects) to dual carriageway standard;
• In Sligo, while the N4-M4 route upgrade to dual carriageway standard remains the objective, the timely delivery of the N4 Collooney to Castlebaldwin development is greatly anticipated.
• A step forward in connectivity of the midlands and the West will be achieved with the completion of the N5 upgrade.
So maybe people are thinking about it.
Kerry manage to keep a lot of their players in and around the county. Would be interesting to examine how they manage it
Yippee!
But thinking about it and doing it are totally different things.
Kevin McStay
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/kevin-mcstay-great-worry-is-that-dublin-are-unbeatable-1.4020060
Dublin therefore know they are athletically better conditioned than the other teams. That gives you an enormous weapon in any ball sport. So on Saturday night, Dublin went after the likes of David Clifford and Moran and they took them on tours of the park. They tested their aerobic capacity. They want to empty them of gas. It is no coincidence that Kerry stopped scoring in the last 15 minutes of both finals. It is Dublin's movement off the ball that staggers me. They have a near sadistic appetite for punishing running. And they tackle hard so you will be sore and sucking for oxygen when you get up. Again and again. Look at the domination of the All-Blacks. It is built on physical supremacy. It is built on pace and power. That is what Dublin are about now.
If Dublin win six, then the thing moves from historic to overwhelming. In public, Dublin talk about humility and community and family. And they mean it. Their public persona is that it is a huge privilege to wear that jersey. And it is. But when they get down to business, it is a hugely professional structure driven by people whose specialise in excellence.
So for the rest of the GAA family, the sight of six-in-a-row will be a bridge too far. They will begin to insist on intervention. Nobody within the official GAA has stepped out yet and said: we acknowledge that this is a problem. The tier-two system is just a band-aid to the issue. Most county boards are stretched financially. They don't have established annual income streams. A lot of the energy of officialdom is to try and churn out enough money just to keep their teams on the road."
Good piece by McStay. Himself and Canavan are the only ex players so far (that I've heard) to sort of tell it as it is.
He says in his piece that it's no coincidence that Kerry didn't score in the last 15 minutes, any other opposition team rarely scores against them in the last 15 in the championship.
Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 07:49:48 AM
Good piece by McStay. Himself and Canavan are the only ex players so far (that I've heard) to sort of tell it as it is.
He says in his piece that it's no coincidence that Kerry didn't score in the last 15 minutes, any other opposition team rarely scores against them in the last 15 in the championship.
The GAA doesn't want to talk about it
Next year might be the tipping point .
McStay again
" I remember Ciarán Whelan arguing that the massive GAA investment in Dublin has not influenced the current senior team. He felt that the roll-out and dividend of players from that huge GAA investment is just now beginning to emerge."
This is senior hurling
Last para by McStay sums it up well.
GAA HQ unleashed the Monster. It's up to the other 31 to force them to do something about it.
McStay's a waffler. When he's making a point that might be contentious, he doesn't have the gumption to make it himself, he puts the credit/blame on someone else, like Whelan and Canavan above.
McStay was on one of the preview podcasts before the Mayo v Donegal game. Someone else suggested match-ups for Mayo defenders to pick up the Donegal forwards. McStay added a couple of comments to support the suggested match-ups. Then the presenter said to him, "what about the match-ups down the other end?". McStay himmmed and hawwed for a couple of seconds, then said "ah, I wouldn't know enough about the Donegal defenders".
Like FFS. Not only a paid analyst, but he's just out of being an intercounty manager!!
QuoteOverall, it was a strange evening. An All-Ireland final on a Sunday at half-past three is a national occasion. It is a ceremony that dominates the day. A replay is different. Saturday night at six o'clock: the world is getting ready to go out on the town. There was no minor match, no crowd gathering in the stadium and the overall sense of the evening was: this very important game needs a resolution. But the sense of occasion was absent. So I have a strong, strong sense that the All-Irelands should go back to September and that any replay should be on a Sunday. The scale of Dublin's achievement deserved a bigger occasion.
As someone who was at the game, the above from his article today is complete and utter nonsense. Drivel.
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2019, 09:16:03 AM
McStay's a waffler. When he's making a point that might be contentious, he doesn't have the gumption to make it himself, he puts the credit/blame on someone else, like Whelan and Canavan above.
McStay was on one of the preview podcasts before the Mayo v Donegal game. Someone else suggested match-ups for Mayo defenders to pick up the Donegal forwards. McStay added a couple of comments to support the suggested match-ups. Then the presenter said to him, "what about the match-ups down the other end?". McStay himmmed and hawwed for a couple of seconds, then said "ah, I wouldn't know enough about the Donegal defenders".
Like FFS. Not only a paid analyst, but he's just out of being an intercounty manager!!
QuoteOverall, it was a strange evening. An All-Ireland final on a Sunday at half-past three is a national occasion. It is a ceremony that dominates the day. A replay is different. Saturday night at six o'clock: the world is getting ready to go out on the town. There was no minor match, no crowd gathering in the stadium and the overall sense of the evening was: this very important game needs a resolution. But the sense of occasion was absent. So I have a strong, strong sense that the All-Irelands should go back to September and that any replay should be on a Sunday. The scale of Dublin's achievement deserved a bigger occasion.
As someone who was at the game, the above from his article today is complete and utter nonsense. Drivel.
Ad hom, Hound
Sign of a weak argument/unwillingness to engage
Address the points, not McStay.
Apart from Dublin GAA circles (naturally enough) and the Croke Park hierarchy there's little interest and certainly no excitement about the Final or the 5 in a row.
It's just all so predictable and inevitable like if Real Madrid were in the Irish Soccer League.
The rest of us are getting on with Club championships while Co Boards are trying to come up with more and ever more fundraising initiatives to try and pay for their inter Co teams and managers.
They have just about enough time and energy left for the mundane tasks of administering GAA affairs in the County.
Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 07:49:48 AM
Good piece by McStay. Himself and Canavan are the only ex players so far (that I've heard) to sort of tell it as it is.
He says in his piece that it's no coincidence that Kerry didn't score in the last 15 minutes, any other opposition team rarely scores against them in the last 15 in the championship.
Wrong, Canavan said teams must match Dublin off the field, the template for what they do off the field must be followed and then discussed Culllen coming from Leinster Rugby to Dublin, but the opposite happened in Tyrone, he is calling from more of a professional approach at board level, and from what i seen a lot of people agree with him.
In fairness to Mc Stay he has been making these points for the last number of years.
He was frustrated with Roscommon because of the glass ceiling imposed with funding, travelling, etc - although its a bit of a misnomer to call it glass - its not that breakable!
All the predictions on Dublin domination, which started many years ago and seemed to have been largely ignored, have now come to pass.
Up until now the other top teams and the fans have traded on hope - even the glimmers of it - that has kept attendances relatively buoyant, but as that hope dies so will attendances and viewers and interest.
I think the GAA do recognise the problem but I think a large contingent are enjoying seeing Dublin win, given their history - they may even be delusional enough to feel part of it.
Historically, the GAA has been a slow reactive organisation with little imagination to resolve problems - so there will not be any change any time soon.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 17, 2019, 09:40:27 AM
Apart from Dublin GAA circles (naturally enough) and the Croke Park hierarchy there's little interest and certainly no excitement about the Final or the 5 in a row.
It's just all so predictable and inevitable like if Real Madrid were in the Irish Soccer League.
The rest of us are getting on with Club championships while Co Boards are trying to come up with more and ever more fundraising initiatives to try and pay for their inter Co teams and managers.
They have just about enough time and energy left for the mundane tasks of administering GAA affairs in the County.
Funny you say that...
I mentioned on the AI thread on Saturday morning that I never saw such little interest in the final here in my part of Dublin and as far as I could see, the same could be said about the entire city.
Three were far fewer flags hanging out of windows and very little bunting strung up either. Most of the decorations anyway were now new- leftovers from other years.
A local barman told me that there were less than a dozen punters in the pub at closing time Saturday night and every one of them was a regular anyway.
He had a good crowd for the game and he sold a fair amount of drink but the place was back to normal by 9 o'clock. In recent years it would be well after one before the pub would be cleared and he'd have sold more than twice as much.
Maybe the whole goddamn lot of them are saving up for the fix for six. ;D
A history of insanity intruding on the sane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f8JI9R5Suo
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2019, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 17, 2019, 09:40:27 AM
Apart from Dublin GAA circles (naturally enough) and the Croke Park hierarchy there's little interest and certainly no excitement about the Final or the 5 in a row.
It's just all so predictable and inevitable like if Real Madrid were in the Irish Soccer League.
The rest of us are getting on with Club championships while Co Boards are trying to come up with more and ever more fundraising initiatives to try and pay for their inter Co teams and managers.
They have just about enough time and energy left for the mundane tasks of administering GAA affairs in the County.
Funny you say that...
I mentioned on the AI thread on Saturday morning that I never saw such little interest in the final here in my part of Dublin and as far as I could see, the same could be said about the entire city.
Three were far fewer flags hanging out of windows and very little bunting strung up either. Most of the decorations anyway were now new- leftovers from other years.
A local barman told me that there were less than a dozen punters in the pub at closing time Saturday night and every one of them was a regular anyway.
He had a good crowd for the game and he sold a fair amount of drink but the place was back to normal by 9 o'clock. In recent years it would be well after one before the pub would be cleared and he'd have sold more than twice as much.
Maybe the whole goddamn lot of them are saving up for the fix for six. ;D
Well as you know, Dublin is not a GAA town, but there are GAA areas.
After pinting in the city centre for a few hours I got back to my local at about 11pm on Saturday and the place was absolutely rocking. Pub next door the very same and I'd guess the other 3 pubs in the village were a similar story. This was our biggest and most celebrated AI since 2011. And yes there are many many people living n Dublin who couldnt give a flying F.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2019, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 17, 2019, 09:40:27 AM
Apart from Dublin GAA circles (naturally enough) and the Croke Park hierarchy there's little interest and certainly no excitement about the Final or the 5 in a row.
It's just all so predictable and inevitable like if Real Madrid were in the Irish Soccer League.
The rest of us are getting on with Club championships while Co Boards are trying to come up with more and ever more fundraising initiatives to try and pay for their inter Co teams and managers.
They have just about enough time and energy left for the mundane tasks of administering GAA affairs in the County.
Funny you say that...
I mentioned on the AI thread on Saturday morning that I never saw such little interest in the final here in my part of Dublin and as far as I could see, the same could be said about the entire city.
Three were far fewer flags hanging out of windows and very little bunting strung up either. Most of the decorations anyway were now new- leftovers from other years.
A local barman told me that there were less than a dozen punters in the pub at closing time Saturday night and every one of them was a regular anyway.
He had a good crowd for the game and he sold a fair amount of drink but the place was back to normal by 9 o'clock. In recent years it would be well after one before the pub would be cleared and he'd have sold more than twice as much.
Maybe the whole goddamn lot of them are saving up for the fix for six. ;D
Dublin city was hopping saturday night, every pub packed that i could see. Best atmosphere since 2011.
Flagging and bunting is not for everyone and not everyone living in Dublin is a Dub or is a Dub who supports Dublin GAA.
Quote from: seafoid on September 17, 2019, 09:23:16 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2019, 09:16:03 AM
McStay's a waffler. When he's making a point that might be contentious, he doesn't have the gumption to make it himself, he puts the credit/blame on someone else, like Whelan and Canavan above.
McStay was on one of the preview podcasts before the Mayo v Donegal game. Someone else suggested match-ups for Mayo defenders to pick up the Donegal forwards. McStay added a couple of comments to support the suggested match-ups. Then the presenter said to him, "what about the match-ups down the other end?". McStay himmmed and hawwed for a couple of seconds, then said "ah, I wouldn't know enough about the Donegal defenders".
Like FFS. Not only a paid analyst, but he's just out of being an intercounty manager!!
QuoteOverall, it was a strange evening. An All-Ireland final on a Sunday at half-past three is a national occasion. It is a ceremony that dominates the day. A replay is different. Saturday night at six o'clock: the world is getting ready to go out on the town. There was no minor match, no crowd gathering in the stadium and the overall sense of the evening was: this very important game needs a resolution. But the sense of occasion was absent. So I have a strong, strong sense that the All-Irelands should go back to September and that any replay should be on a Sunday. The scale of Dublin's achievement deserved a bigger occasion.
As someone who was at the game, the above from his article today is complete and utter nonsense. Drivel.
Ad hom, Hound
Sign of a weak argument/unwillingness to engage
Address the points, not McStay.
My post was about McStay! A bluffer.
If there were any other points in his rambling article, are you seriously suggesting I haven't addressed them already? Feckin countless times!
Here's the article that sums up my position. Have a read.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html
Whatever about the pub scene in Dublin post match, I've been at a good few All Ireland finals in both codes as neutral and as partisan supporter, there was no real sense of the enormity of what this Dublin team has achieved at the end of the match in terms of an emotional outpouring from their fans. Was a far better atmosphere in the ground during the drawn match when there was a real sense of jeopardy, once O'Brien made a hames of the Kerry goal chance there was no real sign of Kerry actually winning the match at all, I thought Dublin were very comfortable 2nd half. Some Dubs fans were streaming out of the ground as soon as the match finished, it's absolutely become routine to win Sam for them and whether this was the 5 in a row or not wasn't impacting on the overall atmosphere and excitement in my opinion.
There is a lot of talk about a golden Dublin generation but at the end of the day some of the absolute stalwarts from the start of this run have been phased out and the average starting age is coming down not going up. What other county could so easily cope with the loss of the prototypical modern footballer in Paul Flynn, an absolute Rolls Royce of a player. Likewise with Connolly, the Brogans, O'Sullivan, McMahon, etc. - we were told this was just a once off batch of talent, all have been or are in the process of being phased out without any impact on the team. O'Callaghan, Mannion, Howard, Scully, Murchan have slotted in and the likes of Archer are coming down the tracks as well. Cluxton remains imperious even at 37 and will be the most difficult to replace if he goes, the ongoing disgrace that is his lack of an All Star since 2013 - with all due respect to Beggan and Clarke, it is a bizarre situation - will surely be rectified this year. Even without Cluxton there, it will merely mean that Dublin probably just have an adequate to good keeper between the sticks - much like every other county.
Expecting Dublin to come back to the pack is a pipe dream, while I cannot imagine that they will win every single year, they will remain the major player in the sport for the foreseeable. It is interesting to hear Eamonn FitzMaurice say that for this Kerry team having not prevented the five in a row that:
Quote"the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade".
It would have been unthinkable at the turn of this decade to envision Kerry's status at the top being challenged, I would venture that it is now inevitable that Dublin will overtake them at some point in the next (at the very latest) 25 years.
Even if Kerry win the next one or a few in the next 10 years, the range of winners and different final matchups that we saw in the 90's and 2000's seem like a very distant and almost quaint memory at this remove. What good is it to see the Dublin and Kerry duopoly continue to an even greater extent than it has already over the course of the last 130 odd years?
The lack of professionalism and rank bad planning in other counties is certainly something that not Dublin's fault, clearly not all counties are operating to the optimum level, some of the county boards are not fit for purpose, but even those organised well are battling with constraints and issues that will never impact Dublin, they will never be in a position to exploit the same advantages that Dublin have no matter what is done.
No one from Dublin is going to acknowledge that there is any problem with the current situation, that is just natural human bias, I'm 100% certain that if my own county were in Dublin's shoes at the moment I wouldn't give a toss what anyone outside of the county thought either.
Dublin have organised themselves to the best of their ability but the GAA must know that it is an unsustainable situation if the current pattern continues, what will they do if the All Ireland series starts to resemble the Leinster football championship? I truly hope that a more balanced championship will return and that we will see other counties getting to and winning All Ireland's but it is only a hope, if the GAA are reliant on the same thing, good luck to them.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 17, 2019, 09:00:27 AM
Last para by McStay sums it up well.
GAA HQ unleashed the Monster. It's up to the other 31 to force them to do something about it.
Yeah like they did when they approved of Dublin getting 2 Super 8 games at Croke Park?
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2019, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 17, 2019, 09:23:16 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2019, 09:16:03 AM
McStay's a waffler. When he's making a point that might be contentious, he doesn't have the gumption to make it himself, he puts the credit/blame on someone else, like Whelan and Canavan above.
McStay was on one of the preview podcasts before the Mayo v Donegal game. Someone else suggested match-ups for Mayo defenders to pick up the Donegal forwards. McStay added a couple of comments to support the suggested match-ups. Then the presenter said to him, "what about the match-ups down the other end?". McStay himmmed and hawwed for a couple of seconds, then said "ah, I wouldn't know enough about the Donegal defenders".
Like FFS. Not only a paid analyst, but he's just out of being an intercounty manager!!
QuoteOverall, it was a strange evening. An All-Ireland final on a Sunday at half-past three is a national occasion. It is a ceremony that dominates the day. A replay is different. Saturday night at six o'clock: the world is getting ready to go out on the town. There was no minor match, no crowd gathering in the stadium and the overall sense of the evening was: this very important game needs a resolution. But the sense of occasion was absent. So I have a strong, strong sense that the All-Irelands should go back to September and that any replay should be on a Sunday. The scale of Dublin's achievement deserved a bigger occasion.
As someone who was at the game, the above from his article today is complete and utter nonsense. Drivel.
Ad hom, Hound
Sign of a weak argument/unwillingness to engage
Address the points, not McStay.
My post was about McStay! A bluffer.
If there were any other points in his rambling article, are you seriously suggesting I haven't addressed them already? Feckin countless times!
Here's the article that sums up my position. Have a read.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html
You're spoofing
Again
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2019, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 17, 2019, 09:23:16 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2019, 09:16:03 AM
McStay's a waffler. When he's making a point that might be contentious, he doesn't have the gumption to make it himself, he puts the credit/blame on someone else, like Whelan and Canavan above.
McStay was on one of the preview podcasts before the Mayo v Donegal game. Someone else suggested match-ups for Mayo defenders to pick up the Donegal forwards. McStay added a couple of comments to support the suggested match-ups. Then the presenter said to him, "what about the match-ups down the other end?". McStay himmmed and hawwed for a couple of seconds, then said "ah, I wouldn't know enough about the Donegal defenders".
Like FFS. Not only a paid analyst, but he's just out of being an intercounty manager!!
QuoteOverall, it was a strange evening. An All-Ireland final on a Sunday at half-past three is a national occasion. It is a ceremony that dominates the day. A replay is different. Saturday night at six o'clock: the world is getting ready to go out on the town. There was no minor match, no crowd gathering in the stadium and the overall sense of the evening was: this very important game needs a resolution. But the sense of occasion was absent. So I have a strong, strong sense that the All-Irelands should go back to September and that any replay should be on a Sunday. The scale of Dublin's achievement deserved a bigger occasion.
As someone who was at the game, the above from his article today is complete and utter nonsense. Drivel.
Ad hom, Hound
Sign of a weak argument/unwillingness to engage
Address the points, not McStay.
My post was about McStay! A bluffer.
If there were any other points in his rambling article, are you seriously suggesting I haven't addressed them already? Feckin countless times!
Here's the article that sums up my position. Have a read.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html
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Didnt have time to read full article, but this paragraph stood out.
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The Kieran Shannon Interview: The real jackanory behind Dublin's perfect stormThe Kieran Shannon Interview: The real jackanory behind Dublin's perfect storm
A young Dublin supporter celebrates after the GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Final match between Dublin and Tyrone at Croke Park in Dublin in 2018. Photo by David Fitzgerald/Sportsfile
By Kieran Shannon
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Saturday, August 10, 2019 - 12:00 AM
You won't find them on the Hill today. They don't chant You Boys in Blue – though some of their children will. They don't enquire 'what's the jackanory', and they don't tweet vitriol any time whenever Dublin's funding is mentioned in the media. Because they're not Dubs. They're culchies, nordies, blow-ins.
Yet Dublin made them, and they've helped make Dublin, the dominant force in both the men's and women's game. Which probably makes them best placed to explain the phenomenon that is Dublin football. Because they're not one of the natives, they'll more readily acknowledge any inherent advantages unique to the capital, just as they can spot and appreciate something Dublin are doing that the rest of the country aren't.
Paraic McDonald gives both a smile and a name to the faceless acronym you keep hearing about: the GDO.
A native of Castleblaney reared on the heroics of Nudie Hughes and Eamonn McEneaney, he helped the Faughs to a further seven county championships and an Ulster club title before falling in with Kilmacud Crokes upon arriving in the big smoke in 1997 as one of the first batch of games development officers recruited from the country.
Over the decades he has served on multiple county underage coaching tickets, as well as operating out in Crokes where he is now their full-time coaching director.
Gregory McGonigle is someone else well versed in both Monaghan and Dublin football. Although he hails from Dungiven, he emerged as one of the leading coaches in the women's game by steering Monaghan to a couple of All-Ireland finals and a national league title.
He then took over a Dublin team that for three consecutive years had failed to get beyond the All-Ireland quarter-final round and duly led them to three straight finals, albeit all single-score defeats to Cork. Since passing the baton on to Mick Bohan, he has coached the Dublin minor ladies as well as a men's club team, St Maurs, featuring U20 starlet Ciaran Archer.
Kilmacud Crokes coaching director Paraic McDonald
Kilmacud Crokes coaching director Paraic McDonald
Philip McElwee is another Derry man who knows the quiet fields of north county Dublin. He's been based there 40 years now, ever since coming straight out of the Ranch training college in Belfast. For six years he'd continuously traverse the border to keep playing county football for Derry before the hassle of it wore him down.
As he was living in Drumcondra, he and his kids would gravitate to Na Fianna where he'd manage the club to minor county titles, piquing the interest and respect of one of the club's most famous sons. After a 15-year senior inter-county career, Dessie Farrell was looking to give something back to the blue jersey and for someone to help him coaching a Dublin U14 development squad featuring the likes of Ciaran Kilkenny and Jack McCaffrey.
Over the years they'd win All Ireland minor and U21 finals together, Farrell as manager and McElwee as one of his trusted selectors. McElwee then managed the Na Fianna seniors for two years before stepping aside last autumn due to a restrictive hip, allowing Farrell to take the reins. "My time has now passed," he smiles, nearly peering over his glasses. "I've given it my shot."
He's seen it all in that time. He can remember Dublin in the rare auld losing days and he got to see how the perpetual winning blue machine was assembled, having been part of the pit crew himself.
So how was it put together? How has a sleeping, dormant giant awaken to terrorise and dominate all around them? Any chance they'll dose off again? We'll hand it over to our three friends from the country to tell you the real jackanory.
***
'A PERFECT STORM': THE COACHING OF THE COACHES
McELWEE: I think what happened was something of a perfect storm, if you will. A lot of clubs started to get their act together and put in a big shift in their nurseries and juvenile sections. They began to coach the coaches so the skills were being coached correctly and that there'd be a unity of purpose running right throughout the club. Then you had the GPOs coming and helping that.
Which happened first? The GPOs or the clubs upping their game? It was nearly the two of them coming together.
McDONALD: The summer of '95, I was playing football in Chicago for St Brendan's. Kieran McGeeney and Niall Buckley would have been playing with us as well. It was my first introduction to weight training – lugging timber all around the sites. Pat McEnaney was out there refereeing and had said to someone at home, 'This boy is flying.' 'Blaney hadn't won a championship in four years so I was flown home. We ended up winning the county and having a run in Ulster by which time Chicago was shutting down for the winter, so I was stuck at home, looking for something to do.
I started coaching in the local primary school, then got involved with the Monaghan county board through a FÁS scheme, and signed up to study Applied Sports Management in UCD. Near the end of the course a job as a games development officer came up with the Dublin county board.
There were eight or nine of us starting out. You'd have had the likes of [former Dublin ladies player] Christina McGinty, Niamh Leahy. Vinny Murphy and Paul Curran were just finishing up.
The job was to increase the numbers and improve the quality of players. I was based on the southside, covering nine clubs, the likes of St Jude's, Ballyboden, Thomas Davis, St Mark's, St Killian's, St Kevin's. It would have been difficult, trying to work the club-school relationship when you were trying to cover that many clubs. I'd say 65 percent of my time back then would have been in the schools whereas now it would be 75 percent with the club [Kilmacud].
Philip McElwee during his spell as Na Fianna manager
The big change came when the funding came through in 2004, 2005. All of a sudden you had 40-45 coaches. Instead of having to go around to 10 clubs, you only had to focus on one or two. These days I'd be employed by the club, not the county board, while Niall [Corcoran, Kilmacud's hurling officer] is funded through the GDO scheme, which is half-funded by the board and half-funded by the club."
Don't want to give a lazy analysis, but how the heck could any county compete with that.
seriously, even the most unrealistic Dublin supporter has to acknowledge the above, oe even Croke Park, then again maybe not !
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 17, 2019, 01:07:09 PM
Whatever about the pub scene in Dublin post match, I've been at a good few All Ireland finals in both codes as neutral and as partisan supporter, there was no real sense of the enormity of what this Dublin team has achieved at the end of the match in terms of an emotional outpouring from their fans. Was a far better atmosphere in the ground during the drawn match when there was a real sense of jeopardy, once O'Brien made a hames of the Kerry goal chance there was no real sign of Kerry actually winning the match at all, I thought Dublin were very comfortable 2nd half. Some Dubs fans were streaming out of the ground as soon as the match finished, it's absolutely become routine to win Sam for them and whether this was the 5 in a row or not wasn't impacting on the overall atmosphere and excitement in my opinion.
There is a lot of talk about a golden Dublin generation but at the end of the day some of the absolute stalwarts from the start of this run have been phased out and the average starting age is coming down not going up. What other county could so easily cope with the loss of the prototypical modern footballer in Paul Flynn, an absolute Rolls Royce of a player. Likewise with Connolly, the Brogans, O'Sullivan, McMahon, etc. - we were told this was just a once off batch of talent, all have been or are in the process of being phased out without any impact on the team. O'Callaghan, Mannion, Howard, Scully, Murchan have slotted in and the likes of Archer are coming down the tracks as well. Cluxton remains imperious even at 37 and will be the most difficult to replace if he goes, the ongoing disgrace that is his lack of an All Star since 2013 - with all due respect to Beggan and Clarke, it is a bizarre situation - will surely be rectified this year. Even without Cluxton there, it will merely mean that Dublin probably just have an adequate to good keeper between the sticks - much like every other county.
Expecting Dublin to come back to the pack is a pipe dream, while I cannot imagine that they will win every single year, they will remain the major player in the sport for the foreseeable. It is interesting to hear Eamonn FitzMaurice say that for this Kerry team having not prevented the five in a row that:
Quote"the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade".
It would have been unthinkable at the turn of this decade to envision Kerry's status at the top being challenged, I would venture that it is now inevitable that Dublin will overtake them at some point in the next (at the very latest) 25 years.
Even if Kerry win the next one or a few in the next 10 years, the range of winners and different final matchups that we saw in the 90's and 2000's seem like a very distant and almost quaint memory at this remove. What good is it to see the Dublin and Kerry duopoly continue to an even greater extent than it has already over the course of the last 130 odd years?
The lack of professionalism and rank bad planning in other counties is certainly something that not Dublin's fault, clearly not all counties are operating to the optimum level, some of the county boards are not fit for purpose, but even those organised well are battling with constraints and issues that will never impact Dublin, they will never be in a position to exploit the same advantages that Dublin have no matter what is done.
No one from Dublin is going to acknowledge that there is any problem with the current situation, that is just natural human bias, I'm 100% certain that if my own county were in Dublin's shoes at the moment I wouldn't give a toss what anyone outside of the county thought either.
Dublin have organised themselves to the best of their ability but the GAA must know that it is an unsustainable situation if the current pattern continues, what will they do if the All Ireland series starts to resemble the Leinster football championship? I truly hope that a more balanced championship will return and that we will see other counties getting to and winning All Ireland's but it is only a hope, if the GAA are reliant on the same thing, good luck to them.
It's not going to last another 25 years
The Dubs will be broken up way before then
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 17, 2019, 01:07:09 PM
faWhatever about the pub scene in Dublin post match, I've been at a good few All Ireland finals in both codes as neutral and as partisan supporter, there was no real sense of the enormity of what this Dublin team has achieved at the end of the match in terms of an emotional outpouring from their ns. Was a far better atmosphere in the ground during the drawn match when there was a real sense of jeopardy, once O'Brien made a hames of the Kerry goal chance there was no real sign of Kerry actually winning the match at all, I thought Dublin were very comfortable 2nd half. Some Dubs fans were streaming out of the ground as soon as the match finished, it's absolutely become routine to win Sam for them and whether this was the 5 in a row or not wasn't impacting on the overall atmosphere and excitement in my opinion.
There is a lot of talk about a golden Dublin generation but at the end of the day some of the absolute stalwarts from the start of this run have been phased out and the average starting age is coming down not going up. What other county could so easily cope with the loss of the prototypical modern footballer in Paul Flynn, an absolute Rolls Royce of a player. Likewise with Connolly, the Brogans, O'Sullivan, McMahon, etc. - we were told this was just a once off batch of talent, all have been or are in the process of being phased out without any impact on the team. O'Callaghan, Mannion, Howard, Scully, Murchan have slotted in and the likes of Archer are coming down the tracks as well. Cluxton remains imperious even at 37 and will be the most difficult to replace if he goes, the ongoing disgrace that is his lack of an All Star since 2013 - with all due respect to Beggan and Clarke, it is a bizarre situation - will surely be rectified this year. Even without Cluxton there, it will merely mean that Dublin probably just have an adequate to good keeper between the sticks - much like every other county.
Expecting Dublin to come back to the pack is a pipe dream, while I cannot imagine that they will win every single year, they will remain the major player in the sport for the foreseeable. It is interesting to hear Eamonn FitzMaurice say that for this Kerry team having not prevented the five in a row that:
Quote"the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade".
It would have been unthinkable at the turn of this decade to envision Kerry's status at the top being challenged, I would venture that it is now inevitable that Dublin will overtake them at some point in the next (at the very latest) 25 years.
Even if Kerry win the next one or a few in the next 10 years, the range of winners and different final matchups that we saw in the 90's and 2000's seem like a very distant and almost quaint memory at this remove. What good is it to see the Dublin and Kerry duopoly continue to an even greater extent than it has already over the course of the last 130 odd years?
The lack of professionalism and rank bad planning in other counties is certainly something that not Dublin's fault, clearly not all counties are operating to the optimum level, some of the county boards are not fit for purpose, but even those organised well are battling with constraints and issues that will never impact Dublin, they will never be in a position to exploit the same advantages that Dublin have no matter what is done.
No one from Dublin is going to acknowledge that there is any problem with the current situation, that is just natural human bias, I'm 100% certain that if my own county were in Dublin's shoes at the moment I wouldn't give a toss what anyone outside of the county thought either.
Dublin have organised themselves to the best of their ability but the GAA must know that it is an unsustainable situation if the current pattern continues, what will they do if the All Ireland series starts to resemble the Leinster football championship? I truly hope that a more balanced championship will return and that we will see other counties getting to and winning All Ireland's but it is only a hope, if the GAA are reliant on the same thing, good luck to them.
While i respect your opinion and your enititled to it, its wrong. As stated above, the sense of enormity was there and there was outpouring of it afterwards.
While i understand your not a Dub true diehard like myself, pershaps its difficult to understand it.
Sure even Jim Gavin did a lap of Croke Park for the first time after victory ;)
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2019, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 17, 2019, 09:23:16 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2019, 09:16:03 AM
McStay's a waffler. When he's making a point that might be contentious, he doesn't have the gumption to make it himself, he puts the credit/blame on someone else, like Whelan and Canavan above.
McStay was on one of the preview podcasts before the Mayo v Donegal game. Someone else suggested match-ups for Mayo defenders to pick up the Donegal forwards. McStay added a couple of comments to support the suggested match-ups. Then the presenter said to him, "what about the match-ups down the other end?". McStay himmmed and hawwed for a couple of seconds, then said "ah, I wouldn't know enough about the Donegal defenders".
Like FFS. Not only a paid analyst, but he's just out of being an intercounty manager!!
QuoteOverall, it was a strange evening. An All-Ireland final on a Sunday at half-past three is a national occasion. It is a ceremony that dominates the day. A replay is different. Saturday night at six o'clock: the world is getting ready to go out on the town. There was no minor match, no crowd gathering in the stadium and the overall sense of the evening was: this very important game needs a resolution. But the sense of occasion was absent. So I have a strong, strong sense that the All-Irelands should go back to September and that any replay should be on a Sunday. The scale of Dublin's achievement deserved a bigger occasion.
As someone who was at the game, the above from his article today is complete and utter nonsense. Drivel.
Ad hom, Hound
Sign of a weak argument/unwillingness to engage
Address the points, not McStay.
My post was about McStay! A bluffer.
If there were any other points in his rambling article, are you seriously suggesting I haven't addressed them already? Feckin countless times!
Here's the article that sums up my position. Have a read.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html
Philip McElwee during his spell as Na Fianna manager
The big change came when the funding came through in 2004, 2005. All of a sudden you had 40-45 coaches. Instead of having to go around to 10 clubs, you only had to focus on one or two. These days I'd be employed by the club, not the county board, while Niall [Corcoran, Kilmacud's hurling officer] is funded through the GDO scheme, which is half-funded by the board and half-funded by the club."
Don't want to give a lazy analysis, but how the heck could any county compete with that.
seriously, even the most unrealistic Dublin supporter has to acknowledge the above, or even Croke Park, then again maybe not !
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 17, 2019, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 07:49:48 AM
Good piece by McStay. Himself and Canavan are the only ex players so far (that I've heard) to sort of tell it as it is.
He says in his piece that it's no coincidence that Kerry didn't score in the last 15 minutes, any other opposition team rarely scores against them in the last 15 in the championship.
Wrong, Canavan said teams must match Dublin off the field, the template for what they do off the field must be followed and then discussed Culllen coming from Leinster Rugby to Dublin, but the opposite happened in Tyrone, he is calling from more of a professional approach at board level, and from what i seen a lot of people agree with him.
How can they match the Dubs off the field ?
It's not a professional sport.
the Dubs
get EUR 1.2 m as a disadvantaged area under the GAA CAP scheme
Have the biggest pick
Have the largest sponsorship deal
how are Laois /Down/Ros supposed to compete with that ?
Quote from: seafoid on September 17, 2019, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 17, 2019, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 07:49:48 AM
Good piece by McStay. Himself and Canavan are the only ex players so far (that I've heard) to sort of tell it as it is.
He says in his piece that it's no coincidence that Kerry didn't score in the last 15 minutes, any other opposition team rarely scores against them in the last 15 in the championship.
Wrong, Canavan said teams must match Dublin off the field, the template for what they do off the field must be followed and then discussed Culllen coming from Leinster Rugby to Dublin, but the opposite happened in Tyrone, he is calling from more of a professional approach at board level, and from what i seen a lot of people agree with him.
How can they match the Dubs off the field ?
It's not a professional sport.
the Dubs
get EUR 1.2 m as a disadvantaged area under the GAA CAP scheme
Have the biggest pick
Have the largest sponsorship deal
how are Laois /Down/Ros supposed to compete with that ?
Ask Peter Canavan. I am just telling you what he said and his dissapointment loosing a good S&C like Peter Donnelly, but looks like there is someone coming the other way now so rectified.
Quote from: joemamas on September 17, 2019, 01:46:59 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html
Philip McElwee during his spell as Na Fianna manager
The big change came when the funding came through in 2004, 2005. All of a sudden you had 40-45 coaches. Instead of having to go around to 10 clubs, you only had to focus on one or two. These days I'd be employed by the club, not the county board, while Niall [Corcoran, Kilmacud's hurling officer] is funded through the GDO scheme, which is half-funded by the board and half-funded by the club."
Don't want to give a lazy analysis, but how the heck could any county compete with that.
seriously, even the most unrealistic Dublin supporter has to acknowledge the above, or even Croke Park, then again maybe not !
You read the whole article and you picked that out as the most important?
Fair enough.
Kilmacud are a massive club. Huge membership. Those members fund half the wages of a hurling GDO and all the wages of Pauric McDonald. There's only a small number of Dublin clubs that can compete with that, I doubt any non-Dublin can. They also have probably the largest number of volunteers giving up their free time than any other club in Ireland. And a significant proportion of those are non-Dubs!
Quote from: seafoid on September 17, 2019, 01:30:33 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2019, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 17, 2019, 09:23:16 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2019, 09:16:03 AM
McStay's a waffler. When he's making a point that might be contentious, he doesn't have the gumption to make it himself, he puts the credit/blame on someone else, like Whelan and Canavan above.
McStay was on one of the preview podcasts before the Mayo v Donegal game. Someone else suggested match-ups for Mayo defenders to pick up the Donegal forwards. McStay added a couple of comments to support the suggested match-ups. Then the presenter said to him, "what about the match-ups down the other end?". McStay himmmed and hawwed for a couple of seconds, then said "ah, I wouldn't know enough about the Donegal defenders".
Like FFS. Not only a paid analyst, but he's just out of being an intercounty manager!!
QuoteOverall, it was a strange evening. An All-Ireland final on a Sunday at half-past three is a national occasion. It is a ceremony that dominates the day. A replay is different. Saturday night at six o'clock: the world is getting ready to go out on the town. There was no minor match, no crowd gathering in the stadium and the overall sense of the evening was: this very important game needs a resolution. But the sense of occasion was absent. So I have a strong, strong sense that the All-Irelands should go back to September and that any replay should be on a Sunday. The scale of Dublin's achievement deserved a bigger occasion.
As someone who was at the game, the above from his article today is complete and utter nonsense. Drivel.
Ad hom, Hound
Sign of a weak argument/unwillingness to engage
Address the points, not McStay.
My post was about McStay! A bluffer.
If there were any other points in his rambling article, are you seriously suggesting I haven't addressed them already? Feckin countless times!
Here's the article that sums up my position. Have a read.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html
You're spoofing
Again
you've never made a single contribution of your own opinion, never got into a debate in any depth with anyone ever, and you've the cheek to post that.
You're a complete bore.
Thankfully we've got the ignore function so I'm not putting myself through any more of your soundbytes.
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2019, 02:54:01 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 17, 2019, 01:30:33 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2019, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 17, 2019, 09:23:16 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2019, 09:16:03 AM
McStay's a waffler. When he's making a point that might be contentious, he doesn't have the gumption to make it himself, he puts the credit/blame on someone else, like Whelan and Canavan above.
McStay was on one of the preview podcasts before the Mayo v Donegal game. Someone else suggested match-ups for Mayo defenders to pick up the Donegal forwards. McStay added a couple of comments to support the suggested match-ups. Then the presenter said to him, "what about the match-ups down the other end?". McStay himmmed and hawwed for a couple of seconds, then said "ah, I wouldn't know enough about the Donegal defenders".
Like FFS. Not only a paid analyst, but he's just out of being an intercounty manager!!
QuoteOverall, it was a strange evening. An All-Ireland final on a Sunday at half-past three is a national occasion. It is a ceremony that dominates the day. A replay is different. Saturday night at six o'clock: the world is getting ready to go out on the town. There was no minor match, no crowd gathering in the stadium and the overall sense of the evening was: this very important game needs a resolution. But the sense of occasion was absent. So I have a strong, strong sense that the All-Irelands should go back to September and that any replay should be on a Sunday. The scale of Dublin's achievement deserved a bigger occasion.
As someone who was at the game, the above from his article today is complete and utter nonsense. Drivel.
Ad hom, Hound
Sign of a weak argument/unwillingness to engage
Address the points, not McStay.
My post was about McStay! A bluffer.
If there were any other points in his rambling article, are you seriously suggesting I haven't addressed them already? Feckin countless times!
Here's the article that sums up my position. Have a read.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html
You're spoofing
Again
you've never made a single contribution of your own opinion, never got into a debate in any depth with anyone ever, and you've the cheek to post that.
You're a complete bore.
Thankfully we've got the ignore function so I'm not putting myself through any more of your soundbytes.
More nonsense from
you, Hound.
Can't wait to see the Dubs split into 4
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 17, 2019, 01:44:45 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 17, 2019, 01:07:09 PM
faWhatever about the pub scene in Dublin post match, I've been at a good few All Ireland finals in both codes as neutral and as partisan supporter, there was no real sense of the enormity of what this Dublin team has achieved at the end of the match in terms of an emotional outpouring from their ns. Was a far better atmosphere in the ground during the drawn match when there was a real sense of jeopardy, once O'Brien made a hames of the Kerry goal chance there was no real sign of Kerry actually winning the match at all, I thought Dublin were very comfortable 2nd half. Some Dubs fans were streaming out of the ground as soon as the match finished, it's absolutely become routine to win Sam for them and whether this was the 5 in a row or not wasn't impacting on the overall atmosphere and excitement in my opinion.
There is a lot of talk about a golden Dublin generation but at the end of the day some of the absolute stalwarts from the start of this run have been phased out and the average starting age is coming down not going up. What other county could so easily cope with the loss of the prototypical modern footballer in Paul Flynn, an absolute Rolls Royce of a player. Likewise with Connolly, the Brogans, O'Sullivan, McMahon, etc. - we were told this was just a once off batch of talent, all have been or are in the process of being phased out without any impact on the team. O'Callaghan, Mannion, Howard, Scully, Murchan have slotted in and the likes of Archer are coming down the tracks as well. Cluxton remains imperious even at 37 and will be the most difficult to replace if he goes, the ongoing disgrace that is his lack of an All Star since 2013 - with all due respect to Beggan and Clarke, it is a bizarre situation - will surely be rectified this year. Even without Cluxton there, it will merely mean that Dublin probably just have an adequate to good keeper between the sticks - much like every other county.
Expecting Dublin to come back to the pack is a pipe dream, while I cannot imagine that they will win every single year, they will remain the major player in the sport for the foreseeable. It is interesting to hear Eamonn FitzMaurice say that for this Kerry team having not prevented the five in a row that:
Quote"the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade".
It would have been unthinkable at the turn of this decade to envision Kerry's status at the top being challenged, I would venture that it is now inevitable that Dublin will overtake them at some point in the next (at the very latest) 25 years.
Even if Kerry win the next one or a few in the next 10 years, the range of winners and different final matchups that we saw in the 90's and 2000's seem like a very distant and almost quaint memory at this remove. What good is it to see the Dublin and Kerry duopoly continue to an even greater extent than it has already over the course of the last 130 odd years?
The lack of professionalism and rank bad planning in other counties is certainly something that not Dublin's fault, clearly not all counties are operating to the optimum level, some of the county boards are not fit for purpose, but even those organised well are battling with constraints and issues that will never impact Dublin, they will never be in a position to exploit the same advantages that Dublin have no matter what is done.
No one from Dublin is going to acknowledge that there is any problem with the current situation, that is just natural human bias, I'm 100% certain that if my own county were in Dublin's shoes at the moment I wouldn't give a toss what anyone outside of the county thought either.
Dublin have organised themselves to the best of their ability but the GAA must know that it is an unsustainable situation if the current pattern continues, what will they do if the All Ireland series starts to resemble the Leinster football championship? I truly hope that a more balanced championship will return and that we will see other counties getting to and winning All Ireland's but it is only a hope, if the GAA are reliant on the same thing, good luck to them.
While i respect your opinion and your enititled to it, its wrong. As stated above, the sense of enormity was there and there was outpouring of it afterwards.
While i understand your not a Dub true diehard like myself, pershaps its difficult to understand it.
Sure even Jim Gavin did a lap of Croke Park for the first time after victory ;)
Being a Dub or not has got nothing to do with it to be honest, it's not too difficult to assess the emotion and mood of a crowd post match, it's self evident. The outpouring was absolutely nothing compared to 2011, what Dubs were strolling out of the ground as soon as the full time whistle went that day? Or even the 2016 replay which certainly had a far better post match atmosphere than last Saturday evening. Maybe that wasn't your personal experience but it was plain to be seen on the day.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 17, 2019, 03:05:16 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 17, 2019, 01:44:45 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 17, 2019, 01:07:09 PM
faWhatever about the pub scene in Dublin post match, I've been at a good few All Ireland finals in both codes as neutral and as partisan supporter, there was no real sense of the enormity of what this Dublin team has achieved at the end of the match in terms of an emotional outpouring from their ns. Was a far better atmosphere in the ground during the drawn match when there was a real sense of jeopardy, once O'Brien made a hames of the Kerry goal chance there was no real sign of Kerry actually winning the match at all, I thought Dublin were very comfortable 2nd half. Some Dubs fans were streaming out of the ground as soon as the match finished, it's absolutely become routine to win Sam for them and whether this was the 5 in a row or not wasn't impacting on the overall atmosphere and excitement in my opinion.
There is a lot of talk about a golden Dublin generation but at the end of the day some of the absolute stalwarts from the start of this run have been phased out and the average starting age is coming down not going up. What other county could so easily cope with the loss of the prototypical modern footballer in Paul Flynn, an absolute Rolls Royce of a player. Likewise with Connolly, the Brogans, O'Sullivan, McMahon, etc. - we were told this was just a once off batch of talent, all have been or are in the process of being phased out without any impact on the team. O'Callaghan, Mannion, Howard, Scully, Murchan have slotted in and the likes of Archer are coming down the tracks as well. Cluxton remains imperious even at 37 and will be the most difficult to replace if he goes, the ongoing disgrace that is his lack of an All Star since 2013 - with all due respect to Beggan and Clarke, it is a bizarre situation - will surely be rectified this year. Even without Cluxton there, it will merely mean that Dublin probably just have an adequate to good keeper between the sticks - much like every other county.
Expecting Dublin to come back to the pack is a pipe dream, while I cannot imagine that they will win every single year, they will remain the major player in the sport for the foreseeable. It is interesting to hear Eamonn FitzMaurice say that for this Kerry team having not prevented the five in a row that:
Quote"the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade".
It would have been unthinkable at the turn of this decade to envision Kerry's status at the top being challenged, I would venture that it is now inevitable that Dublin will overtake them at some point in the next (at the very latest) 25 years.
Even if Kerry win the next one or a few in the next 10 years, the range of winners and different final matchups that we saw in the 90's and 2000's seem like a very distant and almost quaint memory at this remove. What good is it to see the Dublin and Kerry duopoly continue to an even greater extent than it has already over the course of the last 130 odd years?
The lack of professionalism and rank bad planning in other counties is certainly something that not Dublin's fault, clearly not all counties are operating to the optimum level, some of the county boards are not fit for purpose, but even those organised well are battling with constraints and issues that will never impact Dublin, they will never be in a position to exploit the same advantages that Dublin have no matter what is done.
No one from Dublin is going to acknowledge that there is any problem with the current situation, that is just natural human bias, I'm 100% certain that if my own county were in Dublin's shoes at the moment I wouldn't give a toss what anyone outside of the county thought either.
Dublin have organised themselves to the best of their ability but the GAA must know that it is an unsustainable situation if the current pattern continues, what will they do if the All Ireland series starts to resemble the Leinster football championship? I truly hope that a more balanced championship will return and that we will see other counties getting to and winning All Ireland's but it is only a hope, if the GAA are reliant on the same thing, good luck to them.
While i respect your opinion and your enititled to it, its wrong. As stated above, the sense of enormity was there and there was outpouring of it afterwards.
While i understand your not a Dub true diehard like myself, pershaps its difficult to understand it.
Sure even Jim Gavin did a lap of Croke Park for the first time after victory ;)
Being a Dub or not has got nothing to do with it to be honest, it's not too difficult to assess the emotion and mood of a crowd post match, it's self evident. The outpouring was absolutely nothing compared to 2011, what Dubs were strolling out of the ground as soon as the full time whistle went that day? Or even the 2016 replay which certainly had a far better post match atmosphere than last Saturday evening. Maybe that wasn't your personal experience but it was plain to be seen on the day.
The video at this link shows the excitement in 2005 when the Dubs beat Laois by a point in the Leinster final
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/
People need to stop moaning and whinging. Dublin can only put 15 players on a field at one time. You know who don't moan? Kerry. They just play football and only blame themsleves when they lose. They play club football all year round and don't hold up leagues/championships so certain fellas are available. That's why they've 37 football titles. They saw the Dublin train coming so what did they do - instead of crying and moaning they really went at it at underage, winning 5 in a row after they'd no minor in ages. Not only did they do that but they used their junior team as a bridge to senior. They came within a whisker of derailing Dublin with a very young team including a supposedly poor defence. They were written off in April and in June but kept working at it and improved.
That's not to say Dublin don't have advantages but they've always had money and they've always had huge population. The coaching grants are proportional on a per capita basis and to be honest - if they weren't put in place the capital could well be a no go place for gaelic games. Remember, even with the increased participation, the rates of participation in Dublin still lag behind the national average. From a social perspective we need a Dublin that is more similar to the rest of the country than not, given the ridiculous population imbalance there is. The population is a social and planning issue which has been ignored for generations. It's funny how it takes 5 in a row in football to make people realise this. Travel expenses are an anomaly that need to be addressed. Dublin don't have any (relatively) so that imbalance needs to be addressed. Super 8's will be gone after next year so the unfair home and neutral venue being the same will be removed. I also think ALL sponsorship monies should be pooled in some fashion - sponsors wouldn't pay up if Dublin had no one to play against. However, I don't really believe the top counties aren't adequately resourced to take on Dublin. The role of Jim Gavin and his coaches is severly understated in all of this. Plus a very well run county board who got their act together, made plans and stuck to them.
This is a golden era for Dublin. People in the 80's probably thought we'd never see Kerry bettered but it happened quickly. Lets see where the next 5 years brings us.
Agree with all that Seanie. The travelling expenses definitely needs a more equitable solution.
The S8 is an interesting one re Croke Park. Totally agree that Dublin should only have one game in Croker.
But if we go back to straight quarter-finals, the history of the QFs is that the Leinster champion always played their QF in Croker (and that wasn't always Dublin in the early years).
Dublin (as a Leinster loser) played Kerry (as Munster champions) in Semple Stadium one year, which was absolutely fair enough. The replay was also in Semple, interestingly.
But if we revert to QFs, then I'd imagine Croke Park will be the main venue again. Maybe home advantage for the provincial winners would be better, so if there was a repeat of the above it would be in Killarney rather than Thurles. But perhaps it would be more equitable to continue with the S8 if Dubs get just one game in Croker and 2 away/neutral ?
(I think it would be fanciful to expect Congress to vote that Dublin should play a single QF outside of Croker as Leinster champions).
I do not think this can be a simple parallel drawn with Kerry's history and experience.
Even in their prime decades they didn't dominate as much as Dublin have in this decade - and in this time there have been a few more counties trying to develop, raise their own bar and compete - the fact that they are not even getting close speaks volumes.
Only that Dublin were ambushed by Mc Guinness we would already be looking at 7-in-a-row.
Kerry were a great team in those decades - just as Dublin are a great team this decade - but it felt as though the odds were not artificially stacked in Kerry's favour then - with population, financial sponsorship, club finance, travel, home advantage, grants, etc.
That's not to be bitter about the Dublin team per se - they are phenomenal to watch - but we need a few teams to be phenomenal to make the championship interesting. Watching Dublin beat the spread will quickly get boring even for the most avid fans.
Just look at the Scottish Premier League to see how it actually belittles the achievements of the winners.
Imagine if there were another three teams at any time at a similar level to Dublin and what that would do for the game.
I realise the particular issues (certainly historically) with Dublin and why the GAA wanted to fund and develop the games.
You can question the benefits of that funding and direct impact on the current team, but the infrastructure is now in place for Dublin to reap the benefits of for many years to come - combined with many of their existing natural advantages.
The question now is what message does the GAA want to deliver to the other counties - what is their strategy to level the playing field over the next ten years - not to bring Dublin down but to bring the others up?
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 17, 2019, 03:05:16 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 17, 2019, 01:44:45 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 17, 2019, 01:07:09 PM
faWhatever about the pub scene in Dublin post match, I've been at a good few All Ireland finals in both codes as neutral and as partisan supporter, there was no real sense of the enormity of what this Dublin team has achieved at the end of the match in terms of an emotional outpouring from their ns. Was a far better atmosphere in the ground during the drawn match when there was a real sense of jeopardy, once O'Brien made a hames of the Kerry goal chance there was no real sign of Kerry actually winning the match at all, I thought Dublin were very comfortable 2nd half. Some Dubs fans were streaming out of the ground as soon as the match finished, it's absolutely become routine to win Sam for them and whether this was the 5 in a row or not wasn't impacting on the overall atmosphere and excitement in my opinion.
There is a lot of talk about a golden Dublin generation but at the end of the day some of the absolute stalwarts from the start of this run have been phased out and the average starting age is coming down not going up. What other county could so easily cope with the loss of the prototypical modern footballer in Paul Flynn, an absolute Rolls Royce of a player. Likewise with Connolly, the Brogans, O'Sullivan, McMahon, etc. - we were told this was just a once off batch of talent, all have been or are in the process of being phased out without any impact on the team. O'Callaghan, Mannion, Howard, Scully, Murchan have slotted in and the likes of Archer are coming down the tracks as well. Cluxton remains imperious even at 37 and will be the most difficult to replace if he goes, the ongoing disgrace that is his lack of an All Star since 2013 - with all due respect to Beggan and Clarke, it is a bizarre situation - will surely be rectified this year. Even without Cluxton there, it will merely mean that Dublin probably just have an adequate to good keeper between the sticks - much like every other county.
Expecting Dublin to come back to the pack is a pipe dream, while I cannot imagine that they will win every single year, they will remain the major player in the sport for the foreseeable. It is interesting to hear Eamonn FitzMaurice say that for this Kerry team having not prevented the five in a row that:
Quote"the roll of honour is a more important thing to protect and that becomes a challenge for the next decade".
It would have been unthinkable at the turn of this decade to envision Kerry's status at the top being challenged, I would venture that it is now inevitable that Dublin will overtake them at some point in the next (at the very latest) 25 years.
Even if Kerry win the next one or a few in the next 10 years, the range of winners and different final matchups that we saw in the 90's and 2000's seem like a very distant and almost quaint memory at this remove. What good is it to see the Dublin and Kerry duopoly continue to an even greater extent than it has already over the course of the last 130 odd years?
The lack of professionalism and rank bad planning in other counties is certainly something that not Dublin's fault, clearly not all counties are operating to the optimum level, some of the county boards are not fit for purpose, but even those organised well are battling with constraints and issues that will never impact Dublin, they will never be in a position to exploit the same advantages that Dublin have no matter what is done.
No one from Dublin is going to acknowledge that there is any problem with the current situation, that is just natural human bias, I'm 100% certain that if my own county were in Dublin's shoes at the moment I wouldn't give a toss what anyone outside of the county thought either.
Dublin have organised themselves to the best of their ability but the GAA must know that it is an unsustainable situation if the current pattern continues, what will they do if the All Ireland series starts to resemble the Leinster football championship? I truly hope that a more balanced championship will return and that we will see other counties getting to and winning All Ireland's but it is only a hope, if the GAA are reliant on the same thing, good luck to them.
While i respect your opinion and your enititled to it, its wrong. As stated above, the sense of enormity was there and there was outpouring of it afterwards.
While i understand your not a Dub true diehard like myself, pershaps its difficult to understand it.
Sure even Jim Gavin did a lap of Croke Park for the first time after victory ;)
Being a Dub or not has got nothing to do with it to be honest, it's not too difficult to assess the emotion and mood of a crowd post match, it's self evident. The outpouring was absolutely nothing compared to 2011, what Dubs were strolling out of the ground as soon as the full time whistle went that day? Or even the 2016 replay which certainly had a far better post match atmosphere than last Saturday evening. Maybe that wasn't your personal experience but it was plain to be seen on the day.
Nothing will ever beat 2011, Over the last few weeks and over the weekend the only All Ireland since then that has come close is this one. Agree to disagree.
QuoteKilmacud are a massive club. Huge membership. Those members fund half the wages of a hurling GDO and all the wages of Pauric McDonald. There's only a small number of Dublin clubs that can compete with that, I doubt any non-Dublin can. They also have probably the largest number of volunteers giving up their free time than any other club in Ireland. And a significant proportion of those are non-Dubs!
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/all-ireland-final-replay-james-mccarthy-a-central-pillar-of-dublin-s-towering-empire-1.4017404
When Paddy Christie got a group of players together to send a volt of energy and purpose through Ballymun's underage structure, it coincided with the arrival of James Glancy, the Leitrim footballer, as coaching officer in the area. Glancy sometimes coached the club's minor team and noticed two tall and conspicuously talented teenagers always knocking about together. He didn't know who they were until he asked and found out that they were Barney Rock's and John McCarthy's young lads.
Glancy was there to witness their progression through Jim Gavin's All-Ireland winning under-21 team in 2010 to the Dublin teams that have dominated this decade at All-Ireland senior level.When he thinks of McCarthy as a minor, he instantly sees "a long stringy lad". But in the years after Glancy arrived, the Kickhams got gym equipment into the clubhouse upstairs and burned out plenty of light bulbs over the following winters. [/i]
Glad you now agree population is an advantage. I suppose Ballymun Kichams are huge as well. They too could afford a GDO. Lookit, fair play to Dublin, no one here is saying what they achieved isn't something special, it clearly is.
But if all the senior clubs in every other county in the country have the benefits of a GDO and gym equipment that is fully funded without having to have fundraisers it might be a good start. You must agree with that?
Gröss Sublin put in its box by a Meathie ;D
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/incredibly-insulting-meath-captain-fuming-as-local-credit-union-congratulates-dublin-on-allireland-win-38507385.html
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2019, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 17, 2019, 09:40:27 AM
Apart from Dublin GAA circles (naturally enough) and the Croke Park hierarchy there's little interest and certainly no excitement about the Final or the 5 in a row.
It's just all so predictable and inevitable like if Real Madrid were in the Irish Soccer League.
The rest of us are getting on with Club championships while Co Boards are trying to come up with more and ever more fundraising initiatives to try and pay for their inter Co teams and managers.
They have just about enough time and energy left for the mundane tasks of administering GAA affairs in the County.
Funny you say that...
I mentioned on the AI thread on Saturday morning that I never saw such little interest in the final here in my part of Dublin and as far as I could see, the same could be said about the entire city.
Three were far fewer flags hanging out of windows and very little bunting strung up either. Most of the decorations anyway were now new- leftovers from other years.
A local barman told me that there were less than a dozen punters in the pub at closing time Saturday night and every one of them was a regular anyway.
He had a good crowd for the game and he sold a fair amount of drink but the place was back to normal by 9 o'clock. In recent years it would be well after one before the pub would be cleared and he'd have sold more than twice as much.
Maybe the whole goddamn lot of them are saving up for the fix for six. ;D
People need only look at the sports file pictures to see what this meant to Dublin players and fans. Any dubs fans I know far prefer sat night games for replays to Sunday, although this clearly didn't suit Kerry fans. Any sports event is better under lights and Sat night was no different. Atmosphere at the start was electric. Also why would people buy new flags/bunting when they can just use the previous years?? That's just common sense.
You can't compare Dublin to other counties when it comes to decorations for finals. People complained about Dublin flags flying on the Liffey so now all counties playing in Croker get a flag put up. People also complained about the giant dublin flags on hapenny and Fairview bridges and they had to be taken down as well. Other counties don't have that problem as at least 90% of the population are from the county.
Your local pub might have been quiet but I can assure you the city centre and surrounding bars were full of celebrating Dublin fans AND players well into Sunday morning.
Some people are only happy when they're moaning and to even acknowledge anything positive about Dublin GAA seems to cause them pain.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 17, 2019, 08:15:15 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2019, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 17, 2019, 09:40:27 AM
Apart from Dublin GAA circles (naturally enough) and the Croke Park hierarchy there's little interest and certainly no excitement about the Final or the 5 in a row.
It's just all so predictable and inevitable like if Real Madrid were in the Irish Soccer League.
The rest of us are getting on with Club championships while Co Boards are trying to come up with more and ever more fundraising initiatives to try and pay for their inter Co teams and managers.
They have just about enough time and energy left for the mundane tasks of administering GAA affairs in the County.
Funny you say that...
I mentioned on the AI thread on Saturday morning that I never saw such little interest in the final here in my part of Dublin and as far as I could see, the same could be said about the entire city.
Three were far fewer flags hanging out of windows and very little bunting strung up either. Most of the decorations anyway were now new- leftovers from other years.
A local barman told me that there were less than a dozen punters in the pub at closing time Saturday night and every one of them was a regular anyway.
He had a good crowd for the game and he sold a fair amount of drink but the place was back to normal by 9 o'clock. In recent years it would be well after one before the pub would be cleared and he'd have sold more than twice as much.
Maybe the whole goddamn lot of them are saving up for the fix for six. ;D
People need only look at the sports file pictures to see what this meant to Dublin players and fans. Any dubs fans I know far prefer sat night games for replays to Sunday, although this clearly didn't suit Kerry fans. Any sports event is better under lights and Sat night was no different. Atmosphere at the start was electric. Also why would people buy new flags/bunting when they can just use the previous years?? That's just common sense.
You can't compare Dublin to other counties when it comes to decorations for finals. People complained about Dublin flags flying on the Liffey so now all counties playing in Croker get a flag put up. People also complained about the giant dublin flags on hapenny and Fairview bridges and they had to be taken down as well. Other counties don't have that problem as at least 90% of the population are from the county.
Your local pub might have been quiet but I can assure you the city centre and surrounding bars were full of celebrating Dublin fans AND players well into Sunday morning.
Some people are only happy when they're moaning and to even acknowledge anything positive about Dublin GAA seems to cause them pain.
There seemed to be a sense of relief for most of the players and I'd say this was the case for most of the fans. Both parties knew this team/squad were well good enough to make history, but feared an ambush.
It's pure shite , it's nothing to do with the GAA we grew up on . They are a semi pro team in a competition with amateur teams , sin e. The celebrations were rubbish , it's all manufactured rubbish and that's even crept into the supporter . It's all very disappointing but I do not for one minute have any bad thing to say about the actual players , fantastic sportsmen , very dedicated .
Question for the dubs who think it's all well and good , at what point does dominance by one team become a problem in an amateur sport, if ye won 7 out of the next nine , have we a problem , or will this just be another special group of talented young men ?
Quote from: larryin89 on September 17, 2019, 09:18:21 PM
It's pure shite , it's nothing to do with the GAA we grew up on . They are a semi pro team in a competition with amateur teams , sin e. The celebrations were rubbish , it's all manufactured rubbish and that's even crept into the supporter . It's all very disappointing but I do not for one minute have any bad thing to say about the actual players , fantastic sportsmen , very dedicated .
Question for the dubs who think it's all well and good , at what point does dominance by one team become a problem in an amateur sport, if ye won 7 out of the next nine , have we a problem , or will this just be another special group of talented young men ?
This is not a question that Dubs can or have to answer. No more than Crossmaglen had to answer in the Armagh Championship for years!
There will be a further decline in attendances next summer. Even Dublin fans will wait until the later stages before they have an interest. Will be interesting to see if the Dubs have a go at the League again next year after taking this years League campaign off?
As Seafroid said, the intercounty game is broke. The GAA have gone head first down a long road and it's a long road back. If there is a road back.
Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
County boundaries don't work in the context of the GAA. We all want them to, and it would be great if they did. But they just don't. The best footballer could be born in Leitrim and never reach the top of his or her sport. That's not right in my opinion
Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Interesting that. The Dublin Problem has been a topic for a few years now, but with every success it becomes more prominent. Go back to 2016 and it was pretty much a subject exclusively for a few of us troglodytes on internet forums, but just three later we have regular open discourse on national television. The GAA public are slowly but surely waking up to The Problem and change is coming. Six, seven, eight - it's now a matter of when, not if, the break up happens.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 17, 2019, 11:28:28 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on September 17, 2019, 11:47:39 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Interesting that. The Dublin Problem has been a topic for a few years now, but with every success it becomes more prominent. Go back to 2016 and it was pretty much a subject exclusively for a few of us troglodytes on internet forums, but just three later we have regular open discourse on national television. The GAA public are slowly but surely waking up to The Problem and change is coming. Six, seven, eight - it's now a matter of when, not if, the break up happens.
Doubt there'll be a split. Lot of Dublin people would have little to no interest in supporting part of their county. And presumably, at least the Leinster Council would have to approve it--which is doubtful given the likely hit it would mean on Leinster GAA finances. The better move from the GAA would be to concentrate funding on other counties, to try to make them better, rather than trying to split Dublin.
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 18, 2019, 12:10:47 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 17, 2019, 11:28:28 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams
It was pretty pointless having someone like him on prime time (a club mate of John Horan). He had no authority to speak about the Dublin finances.
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 18, 2019, 12:10:47 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 17, 2019, 11:28:28 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams
Dubs make history on Sat night so RTÉ show this Prime Time Special on the following Monday. Classy move. Whatever about funding issues it's disappointing and insulting how people look down on Dublin GAA volunteers with their snide comments. I'm abroad and didn't watch it (not that I would anyway)but did they point out the number of former Dublin footballers/hurlers involved in coaching underage teams in Dublin on a purely voluntary level?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 18, 2019, 12:26:58 AM
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on September 17, 2019, 11:47:39 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Interesting that. The Dublin Problem has been a topic for a few years now, but with every success it becomes more prominent. Go back to 2016 and it was pretty much a subject exclusively for a few of us troglodytes on internet forums, but just three later we have regular open discourse on national television. The GAA public are slowly but surely waking up to The Problem and change is coming. Six, seven, eight - it's now a matter of when, not if, the break up happens.
Doubt there'll be a split. Lot of Dublin people would have little to no interest in supporting part of their county. And presumably, at least the Leinster Council would have to approve it--which is doubtful given the likely hit it would mean on Leinster GAA finances. The better move from the GAA would be to concentrate funding on other counties, to try to make them better, rather than trying to split Dublin.
Is that a definite though?
Its more than a decade since I lived in Dublin, but I lived there for a number of years and knew and was close with many Dubs. Particularly in my earlier years there, there was always a good bit of banter and rivalry between the north and south sides of the city. Obviously the county team unites everyone, but would it be that much of a stretch to see a spirited rivalry develop and support generated for two county teams divided by the Liffey?
It's not a given, no. Just my opinion, informed by what I've heard from other Dublin people. I've never heard anyone say they'd be interested in a split team, and I've heard plenty disavow any interest in county football if a split were to happen. By way of comparison, people on here from outside Dublin have from time to time voiced similar lack of interest in county amalgamations as a way of curtailing Dublin dominance.
On the North/South thing, yes, you're right of course, there is a natural rivalry built in there. But someone stuck up hypothetical line-outs for Dublin North and Dublin South here a year or two ago. Both teams looked very strong, on paper at least. And given the current squad--and those knocking on the door--there'd be a real possibility of North/South Dubin AI finals. Which seems like something those with a "Split Dublin" perspective would want to avoid. So what do you do then? Split Dublin into smaller units? Well, then you lose the inbuilt rivalry of North/South. I, for one, can't image ever caring particularly much about the fortunes of a Fingal team. I'd be far more in favor of other counties being targeted for development and funding rather than trying to take Dublin down a level.
Considering doing any of this assumes that Dublin's current domination is a problem to be solved. But Kerry won 7 in 9 years, and Kilkenny looked like they'd never stop winning in the hurling, but both of those eventually came to an end. Yes, population and home advantage weren't factors there, but while we were living through those years, it was sometimes hard to see the dominance ending. Until it did. What happens when Gavin retires? When Cluxton calls it a day? Dublin's bench looked less intimidating this year than in previous ones. Mick Fitz, Cooper and Philly Mc are all getting up there age wise. Kerry are on the way back up. Maybe these are the early cracks appearing.
I think people get swept up in the general hand-wringing and forget how tight most of Dublin's critical games in this five-in-a-row actually were. Here's a reminder:
2015: Dublin blew a seven-point lead in the semi-final against Mayo – shades of 06 – and clung on by their fingernails, almost literally, McCaffrey diving to block the killer blow from Sweeney. In the replay, they were four points down with a quarter of the game to go before dominating and winning convincingly. They won a tense final by three points.
2016: Dublin were five points down at half-time in the semi-final against Kerry, two down with nine minutes to go, and level in injury time, before winning by two. In the final, they were outplayed by Mayo for much of it but two own goals helped them scrape a draw. In the replay, Cillian O'Connor missed a free to send the game to extra-time.
2017: Mayo had a free in the 71st minute to go ahead. They missed. Dublin got a free in the sixth minute of injury time. They didn't miss.
2019: Kerry led by a point at the end of normal time and David Moran just had to play a routine pass to Tommy Walsh, who was completely unmarked, for what would surely have been the decisive score. He took a play instead, lost possession, and Dublin drew and won the replay convincingly.
I'd argue that 2018 was the only year this decade when Dublin were comfortably better than everyone. I grew up watching the Dublin team of the early 90s and if they'd been as calm in the decisive moments (eg scoring penalties, scoring routine frees, picking the right pass in injury time) they'd have won three or four All-Irelands. Put it another way, this five-in-a-row was far harder earned than Kerry's would have been if Kerry had held their nerve in 82.
I don't see what money has to do with those decisive moments where Dublin did the right thing and their opponents didn't. I think the more extreme people who shout "financial doping" aren't able to take the pain of watching a county they dislike clean up titles. I get that, I'm a Kildare fan, I don't like seeing Dublin win, but you have to take a deep breath, have some class, and offer your congratulations. I routinely do this with Dublin friends and family. It's painful, but Jesus lads, it's football, there's more important things – none of are getting out of here alive, as Colin Regan says.
That's not to say we should bury our head about financial inequities in how the GAA is run but that to me is a separate conversation. The GAA could easily fix some of the other small inequities - picking dressing rooms, playing Dublin songs in the build-up to games, etc.
But as far as the football goes, it comes down to this: if Mayo and Kerry had been as composed under pressure as Dublin, and Dublin had been as panicky as they used to be, it would have been business as usual this decade in terms of not many teams putting All-Irelands back to back.
Good points. Would add to that, though not part of the five-in-a-row, the 2013 semi-final against Kerry, which Dublin were losing until injury time.
Another thing I'd look at before splitting Dublin would be having AI series games involving Dublin in Semple, or Pairc ui Chaoimh, or some other suitable venue. Given the narrow margins of victory oohtoohtobe highlighted, it seems reasonable to think that Mayo or Kerry would be more likely to win a tight final/semi against Dublin outside of Croker.
But who wants to be talking about Mayo Kerry and Dublin all the time? It's boring. It doesn't work. The biggest inequity is the make up itself. And now the Turkeys will vote for Christmas with a second tier. Where's the plan to make all this more even? No plan. We're tossing over the embers of one of the most imbalanced sports there is. It's a flawed concept and you'll still be debating the same issues in twenty years time
Quote from: High Fielder on September 18, 2019, 06:53:57 AM
But who wants to be talking about Mayo Kerry and Dublin all the time? It's boring. It doesn't work. The biggest inequity is the make up itself. And now the Turkeys will vote for Christmas with a second tier. Where's the plan to make all this more even? No plan. We're tossing over the embers of one of the most imbalanced sports there is. It's a flawed concept and you'll still be debating the same issues in twenty years time
You won't be talking about Mayo for much longer.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 18, 2019, 02:59:13 AM
It's not a given, no. Just my opinion, informed by what I've heard from other Dublin people. I've never heard anyone say they'd be interested in a split team, and I've heard plenty disavow any interest in county football if a split were to happen. By way of comparison, people on here from outside Dublin have from time to time voiced similar lack of interest in county amalgamations as a way of curtailing Dublin dominance.
On the North/South thing, yes, you're right of course, there is a natural rivalry built in there. But someone stuck up hypothetical line-outs for Dublin North and Dublin South here a year or two ago. Both teams looked very strong, on paper at least. And given the current squad--and those knocking on the door--there'd be a real possibility of North/South Dubin AI finals. Which seems like something those with a "Split Dublin" perspective would want to avoid. So what do you do then? Split Dublin into smaller units? Well, then you lose the inbuilt rivalry of North/South. I, for one, can't image ever caring particularly much about the fortunes of a Fingal team. I'd be far more in favor of other counties being targeted for development and funding rather than trying to take Dublin down a level.
Considering doing any of this assumes that Dublin's current domination is a problem to be solved. But Kerry won 7 in 9 years, and Kilkenny looked like they'd never stop winning in the hurling, but both of those eventually came to an end. Yes, population and home advantage weren't factors there, but while we were living through those years, it was sometimes hard to see the dominance ending. Until it did. What happens when Gavin retires? When Cluxton calls it a day? Dublin's bench looked less intimidating this year than in previous ones. Mick Fitz, Cooper and Philly Mc are all getting up there age wise. Kerry are on the way back up. Maybe these are the early cracks appearing.
It looks like what has been done in Dublin is irreversible. If this is the case it won't matter what ordinary Dub fans want.
Dublin will be split into smaller units.
Nobody asked fans from other counties about funding Dublin
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on September 18, 2019, 03:20:43 AM
I think people get swept up in the general hand-wringing and forget how tight most of Dublin's critical games in this five-in-a-row actually were. Here's a reminder:
2015: Dublin blew a seven-point lead in the semi-final against Mayo – shades of 06 – and clung on by their fingernails, almost literally, McCaffrey diving to block the killer blow from Sweeney. In the replay, they were four points down with a quarter of the game to go before dominating and winning convincingly. They won a tense final by three points.
2016: Dublin were five points down at half-time in the semi-final against Kerry, two down with nine minutes to go, and level in injury time, before winning by two. In the final, they were outplayed by Mayo for much of it but two own goals helped them scrape a draw. In the replay, Cillian O'Connor missed a free to send the game to extra-time.
2017: Mayo had a free in the 71st minute to go ahead. They missed. Dublin got a free in the sixth minute of injury time. They didn't miss.
2019: Kerry led by a point at the end of normal time and David Moran just had to play a routine pass to Tommy Walsh, who was completely unmarked, for what would surely have been the decisive score. He took a play instead, lost possession, and Dublin drew and won the replay convincingly.
I'd argue that 2018 was the only year this decade when Dublin were comfortably better than everyone. I grew up watching the Dublin team of the early 90s and if they'd been as calm in the decisive moments (eg scoring penalties, scoring routine frees, picking the right pass in injury time) they'd have won three or four All-Irelands. Put it another way, this five-in-a-row was far harder earned than Kerry's would have been if Kerry had held their nerve in 82.
I don't see what money has to do with those decisive moments where Dublin did the right thing and their opponents didn't. I think the more extreme people who shout "financial doping" aren't able to take the pain of watching a county they dislike clean up titles. I get that, I'm a Kildare fan, I don't like seeing Dublin win, but you have to take a deep breath, have some class, and offer your congratulations. I routinely do this with Dublin friends and family. It's painful, but Jesus lads, it's football, there's more important things – none of are getting out of here alive, as Colin Regan says.
That's not to say we should bury our head about financial inequities in how the GAA is run but that to me is a separate conversation. The GAA could easily fix some of the other small inequities - picking dressing rooms, playing Dublin songs in the build-up to games, etc.
But as far as the football goes, it comes down to this: if Mayo and Kerry had been as composed under pressure as Dublin, and Dublin had been as panicky as they used to be, it would have been business as usual this decade in terms of not many teams putting All-Irelands back to back.
Very successful teams have a psychological edge over opponents and win matches other teams would lose. Fergie time .
Hurling is an interesting contrast to football now. There is a very healthy level of competition which makes 5 in a row impossible.
In the last 5 years there were 4 different champions.
This is my favorite thread of them all. Such enjoyment.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 17, 2019, 09:52:22 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 17, 2019, 09:18:21 PM
It's pure shite , it's nothing to do with the GAA we grew up on . They are a semi pro team in a competition with amateur teams , sin e. The celebrations were rubbish , it's all manufactured rubbish and that's even crept into the supporter . It's all very disappointing but I do not for one minute have any bad thing to say about the actual players , fantastic sportsmen , very dedicated .
Question for the dubs who think it's all well and good , at what point does dominance by one team become a problem in an amateur sport, if ye won 7 out of the next nine , have we a problem , or will this just be another special group of talented young men ?
This is not a question that Dubs can or have to answer. No more than Crossmaglen had to answer in the Armagh Championship for years!
There will be a further decline in attendances next summer. Even Dublin fans will wait until the later stages before they have an interest. Will be interesting to see if the Dubs have a go at the League again next year after taking this years League campaign off?
As Seafroid said, the intercounty game is broke. The GAA have gone head first down a long road and it's a long road back. If there is a road back.
It's appalling
To destroy something that worked since 1887
That brought so much pleasure to so many people. That meant so much to them.
I remember seeing "Failte go Toraigh, Sam Maguire" painted on a pier on the island in 1993.
Mairtin Beag said he never had to pay for dinner in New York after they won.
The pictures on the wall in Sheridans in Milltown.
Driving through counties and seeing the names of clubs of players who won. Mayobridge, Burren and Carryduff
Crossmaglen, Mullaghbawn and Harps.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 18, 2019, 07:34:53 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on September 18, 2019, 06:53:57 AM
But who wants to be talking about Mayo Kerry and Dublin all the time? It's boring. It doesn't work. The biggest inequity is the make up itself. And now the Turkeys will vote for Christmas with a second tier. Where's the plan to make all this more even? No plan. We're tossing over the embers of one of the most imbalanced sports there is. It's a flawed concept and you'll still be debating the same issues in twenty years time
You won't be talking about Mayo for much longer.
Only way to even it up, is to have equal funding, and allow people to play anywhere
of course they could all head to Dublin ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: seafoid on September 18, 2019, 07:59:25 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 18, 2019, 02:59:13 AM
It's not a given, no. Just my opinion, informed by what I've heard from other Dublin people. I've never heard anyone say they'd be interested in a split team, and I've heard plenty disavow any interest in county football if a split were to happen. By way of comparison, people on here from outside Dublin have from time to time voiced similar lack of interest in county amalgamations as a way of curtailing Dublin dominance.
On the North/South thing, yes, you're right of course, there is a natural rivalry built in there. But someone stuck up hypothetical line-outs for Dublin North and Dublin South here a year or two ago. Both teams looked very strong, on paper at least. And given the current squad--and those knocking on the door--there'd be a real possibility of North/South Dubin AI finals. Which seems like something those with a "Split Dublin" perspective would want to avoid. So what do you do then? Split Dublin into smaller units? Well, then you lose the inbuilt rivalry of North/South. I, for one, can't image ever caring particularly much about the fortunes of a Fingal team. I'd be far more in favor of other counties being targeted for development and funding rather than trying to take Dublin down a level.
Considering doing any of this assumes that Dublin's current domination is a problem to be solved. But Kerry won 7 in 9 years, and Kilkenny looked like they'd never stop winning in the hurling, but both of those eventually came to an end. Yes, population and home advantage weren't factors there, but while we were living through those years, it was sometimes hard to see the dominance ending. Until it did. What happens when Gavin retires? When Cluxton calls it a day? Dublin's bench looked less intimidating this year than in previous ones. Mick Fitz, Cooper and Philly Mc are all getting up there age wise. Kerry are on the way back up. Maybe these are the early cracks appearing.
It looks like what has been done in Dublin is irreversible. If this is the case it won't matter what ordinary Dub fans want.
Dublin will be split into smaller units.
Nobody asked fans from other counties about funding Dublin
I don't see that happening at all.
If Dublin were to be split than the county system would cease to exist and other models would have to be designed, such as county amalgamation creating a smaller number of stronger units.
The County (a Norman/English invention) started off as an administrative unit in the organisational hierarchy. Probably copied from the Land League/Orange Order etc.
Originally Provincial and All Ireland Championships were contested by the County Champions. Bray won an AI representing Dublin one year.
Later the Champions were allowed to pick some other players from around the County and eventually that evolved into all County selections around 1920?
We are so wedded to the County system and team would split Dublin teams or amalgamatioms of small Counties get any support?
I see bucks in places like Elphin and Keshcarrigan walking about with "Connacht" rugby jackets, caps, shirts etc. Places where no one ever saw a rugby ball in their lives.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 18, 2019, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 18, 2019, 07:59:25 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 18, 2019, 02:59:13 AM
It's not a given, no. Just my opinion, informed by what I've heard from other Dublin people. I've never heard anyone say they'd be interested in a split team, and I've heard plenty disavow any interest in county football if a split were to happen. By way of comparison, people on here from outside Dublin have from time to time voiced similar lack of interest in county amalgamations as a way of curtailing Dublin dominance.
On the North/South thing, yes, you're right of course, there is a natural rivalry built in there. But someone stuck up hypothetical line-outs for Dublin North and Dublin South here a year or two ago. Both teams looked very strong, on paper at least. And given the current squad--and those knocking on the door--there'd be a real possibility of North/South Dubin AI finals. Which seems like something those with a "Split Dublin" perspective would want to avoid. So what do you do then? Split Dublin into smaller units? Well, then you lose the inbuilt rivalry of North/South. I, for one, can't image ever caring particularly much about the fortunes of a Fingal team. I'd be far more in favor of other counties being targeted for development and funding rather than trying to take Dublin down a level.
Considering doing any of this assumes that Dublin's current domination is a problem to be solved. But Kerry won 7 in 9 years, and Kilkenny looked like they'd never stop winning in the hurling, but both of those eventually came to an end. Yes, population and home advantage weren't factors there, but while we were living through those years, it was sometimes hard to see the dominance ending. Until it did. What happens when Gavin retires? When Cluxton calls it a day? Dublin's bench looked less intimidating this year than in previous ones. Mick Fitz, Cooper and Philly Mc are all getting up there age wise. Kerry are on the way back up. Maybe these are the early cracks appearing.
It looks like what has been done in Dublin is irreversible. If this is the case it won't matter what ordinary Dub fans want.
Dublin will be split into smaller units.
Nobody asked fans from other counties about funding Dublin
I don't see that happening at all.
If Dublin were to be split than the county system would cease to exist and other models would have to be designed, such as county amalgamation creating a smaller number of stronger units.
Unfortunately, HIB, change is inevitable. Dunno when or what the end result will be but change is coming down the line fast.
I took this graphic from one of Seafóid's more cerebral posts and I think it's self-explanatory. You don't have to be pro-Dub, anti-Dub or have a foot in both camps to see that the present system is unsustainable.
(http://www.mayogodhelpus.com/gaaboard/Population-Growth.jpg)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 18, 2019, 11:22:26 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 18, 2019, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 18, 2019, 07:59:25 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 18, 2019, 02:59:13 AM
It's not a given, no. Just my opinion, informed by what I've heard from other Dublin people. I've never heard anyone say they'd be interested in a split team, and I've heard plenty disavow any interest in county football if a split were to happen. By way of comparison, people on here from outside Dublin have from time to time voiced similar lack of interest in county amalgamations as a way of curtailing Dublin dominance.
On the North/South thing, yes, you're right of course, there is a natural rivalry built in there. But someone stuck up hypothetical line-outs for Dublin North and Dublin South here a year or two ago. Both teams looked very strong, on paper at least. And given the current squad--and those knocking on the door--there'd be a real possibility of North/South Dubin AI finals. Which seems like something those with a "Split Dublin" perspective would want to avoid. So what do you do then? Split Dublin into smaller units? Well, then you lose the inbuilt rivalry of North/South. I, for one, can't image ever caring particularly much about the fortunes of a Fingal team. I'd be far more in favor of other counties being targeted for development and funding rather than trying to take Dublin down a level.
Considering doing any of this assumes that Dublin's current domination is a problem to be solved. But Kerry won 7 in 9 years, and Kilkenny looked like they'd never stop winning in the hurling, but both of those eventually came to an end. Yes, population and home advantage weren't factors there, but while we were living through those years, it was sometimes hard to see the dominance ending. Until it did. What happens when Gavin retires? When Cluxton calls it a day? Dublin's bench looked less intimidating this year than in previous ones. Mick Fitz, Cooper and Philly Mc are all getting up there age wise. Kerry are on the way back up. Maybe these are the early cracks appearing.
It looks like what has been done in Dublin is irreversible. If this is the case it won't matter what ordinary Dub fans want.
Dublin will be split into smaller units.
Nobody asked fans from other counties about funding Dublin
I don't see that happening at all.
If Dublin were to be split than the county system would cease to exist and other models would have to be designed, such as county amalgamation creating a smaller number of stronger units.
Unfortunately, HIB, change is inevitable. Dunno when or what the end result will be but change is coming down the line fast.
I took this graphic from one of Seafóid's more cerebral posts and I think it's self-explanatory. You don't have to be pro-Dub, anti-Dub or have a foot in both camps to see that the present system is unsustainable.
(http://www.mayogodhelpus.com/gaaboard/Population-Growth.jpg)
That slide is shocking
So is the table on Page 5 here
https://www.esri.ie/system/files/publications/OPEA173.pdf
Per Capita GDP in RoI South and East (Munster and Leinster) in 2014 was twice that in the rest of the island.
Most of that difference is due to Dublin.
Dubs get EUR 1.2 m but clubs have to fund half
Much easier when people are paid 2x
And rural clubs are trying to run Lottos
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 18, 2019, 08:46:34 AM
This is my favorite thread of them all. Such enjoyment.
If Mayo won 5 in a row I'd be enjoying it too.
Supporters were kept interested this year to see if the Drive for 5 could be stopped. Now that it wasn't, don't be surprised to see attendances plummet in 2020.
Quote from: seafoid on September 18, 2019, 08:03:11 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on September 18, 2019, 03:20:43 AM
I think people get swept up in the general hand-wringing and forget how tight most of Dublin's critical games in this five-in-a-row actually were. Here's a reminder:
2015: Dublin blew a seven-point lead in the semi-final against Mayo – shades of 06 – and clung on by their fingernails, almost literally, McCaffrey diving to block the killer blow from Sweeney. In the replay, they were four points down with a quarter of the game to go before dominating and winning convincingly. They won a tense final by three points.
2016: Dublin were five points down at half-time in the semi-final against Kerry, two down with nine minutes to go, and level in injury time, before winning by two. In the final, they were outplayed by Mayo for much of it but two own goals helped them scrape a draw. In the replay, Cillian O'Connor missed a free to send the game to extra-time.
2017: Mayo had a free in the 71st minute to go ahead. They missed. Dublin got a free in the sixth minute of injury time. They didn't miss.
2019: Kerry led by a point at the end of normal time and David Moran just had to play a routine pass to Tommy Walsh, who was completely unmarked, for what would surely have been the decisive score. He took a play instead, lost possession, and Dublin drew and won the replay convincingly.
I'd argue that 2018 was the only year this decade when Dublin were comfortably better than everyone. I grew up watching the Dublin team of the early 90s and if they'd been as calm in the decisive moments (eg scoring penalties, scoring routine frees, picking the right pass in injury time) they'd have won three or four All-Irelands. Put it another way, this five-in-a-row was far harder earned than Kerry's would have been if Kerry had held their nerve in 82.
I don't see what money has to do with those decisive moments where Dublin did the right thing and their opponents didn't. I think the more extreme people who shout "financial doping" aren't able to take the pain of watching a county they dislike clean up titles. I get that, I'm a Kildare fan, I don't like seeing Dublin win, but you have to take a deep breath, have some class, and offer your congratulations. I routinely do this with Dublin friends and family. It's painful, but Jesus lads, it's football, there's more important things – none of are getting out of here alive, as Colin Regan says.
That's not to say we should bury our head about financial inequities in how the GAA is run but that to me is a separate conversation. The GAA could easily fix some of the other small inequities - picking dressing rooms, playing Dublin songs in the build-up to games, etc.
But as far as the football goes, it comes down to this: if Mayo and Kerry had been as composed under pressure as Dublin, and Dublin had been as panicky as they used to be, it would have been business as usual this decade in terms of not many teams putting All-Irelands back to back.
Very successful teams have a psychological edge over opponents and win matches other teams would lose. Fergie time .
Hurling is an interesting contrast to football now. There is a very healthy level of competition which makes 5 in a row impossible.
In the last 5 years there were 4 different champions.
It's impossible currently because Kilkenny have come back to the pack, that's all. They very nearly did it not so long ago. People wanted them to be forced to play football then becasue it was an unfair advantage!!!! Mad stuff. And if you're genuinely concerned about financial doping why no outcry over Limerick?
You're on the wrong track on this one. Tyrone, Galway and Mayo have more often that not got in their own way and messed up against Dublin in recent years. Kerry did to an extent in both the draw and the replay with missed chances and mistakes. I cannot see Cluxton being replaced completely - he's the best keeper ever and an auxilliary full back rolled into one. If Gavin goes I cannot see a replacement as good as him being found. They'll have to blood new young players next season and who knows how that'll go. We had a brilliant football championship this year and I can't wait for 2020.
You looking for a job in Croke Park or with Sky??
Cork Ladies football.
Since 2005 -
-11 All ireland final appearances.
Achieving a 5 in a row and then a 6 in row.
Now thats an achievement.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 18, 2019, 01:13:38 PM
You looking for a job in Croke Park or with Sky??
You talkin to me...?
Excellent analysis Ohtoohtobe.
In 4 of the 5 years there were games where Dublin coulda/shoulda been beaten by Kerry or Mayo.
It's a freak that Dublin have managed to win each year. The three in particular where the opposition had it in their own hands, but it just slipped by where the 2 Mayo own goals, the Vaughan red, and the Moran turnover. If the role of honour of the last 5 years had been: Dublin - Mayo - Mayo - Dublin - Kerry, the narrative would be completely different.
And could you imagine what the ruckus would be if Dubs were dominating at minor!! Instead there's never any discussion how counties can copy Kerry. About all the volunteer hours ex-Kerry players put into their elite squads. Ex-Dubs do that too, and I'm sure it happens in more counties, but could there be more done?
Dublin's best ever minor team were beaten in an AI final by Tipperary.
Quote from: High Fielder on September 18, 2019, 06:53:57 AM
But who wants to be talking about Mayo Kerry and Dublin all the time? It's boring. It doesn't work. The biggest inequity is the make up itself. And now the Turkeys will vote for Christmas with a second tier. Where's the plan to make all this more even? No plan. We're tossing over the embers of one of the most imbalanced sports there is. It's a flawed concept and you'll still be debating the same issues in twenty years time
That's an interesting point High Fielder. But there's no reason Galway, Cork, Meath, Kildare, Armagh, Tyrone, Donegal all can't be equally as good as Kerry and Mayo. Of those, IMO, Tyrone and Donegal are the only two who punch at their weight, but the others all show the odd glimmer that they're getting their house in order. I appreciate there will be ups and downs as the really top quality players come and go. I fully believe there will be no more than a kick of the ball between Dublin and Kildare should they play in Leinster next year and await with interest the PP odds. And I think the next 5 years will be very competitive between the top 5 or 6.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on September 18, 2019, 03:20:43 AM
2019: Kerry led by a point at the end of normal time and David Moran just had to play a routine pass to Tommy Walsh, who was completely unmarked, for what would surely have been the decisive score. He took a play instead, lost possession, and Dublin drew and won the replay convincingly.
That's one way to look at it another would be in the last 10 minutes of the drawn match (3 minutes of normal time and 7 minutes of injury time) Kerry did not have one shot. Only had 4 possessions and only got inside the Dublin 45 once. The signs were clear if Dublin had 15 men for all of the replay they would be winning it comfortably as they did.
In other words you have to go back 2 years since Dublin didn't win a 15 v 15 match convincingly and Kerry were better in 2016 as they didn't have the extra man advantage for one full half to push Dublin all the way.
Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2019, 01:34:53 PM
I fully believe there will be no more than a kick of the ball between Dublin and Kildare should they play in Leinster next year and await with interest the PP odds.
Based on what?
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 18, 2019, 01:15:31 PM
Cork Ladies football.
Since 2005 -
-11 All ireland final appearances.
Achieving a 5 in a row and then a 6 in row.
Now thats an achievement.
2005 to 2016 you mean. Mayo caught them on the hop in 2017 and then Dublin broke them since. Three now and counting.
This decade has actually been a golden age for football, especially the last 5 years. If people could put their dublin bitterness/jealousy aside just consider how many epic games there have been between Dublin, Mayo and Kerry.
We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
Dublin are coming back to the pack and there should be some epic games between themselves and Kerry in the next decade with a young Donegal team coming through as well and Cork finally showing signs of getting their s**t together
Finally with the introduction of a 2nd tier championship teams like Leitrim, Limerick, Louth have a genuine chance to actually win a trophy come the summer and hopefully its given a chance
Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM
This decade has actually been a golden age for football, especially the last 5 years. If people could put their dublin bitterness/jealousy aside just consider how many epic games there have been between Dublin, Mayo and Kerry.
We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
Dublin are coming back to the pack and there should be some epic games between themselves and Kerry in the next decade with a young Donegal team coming through as well and Cork finally showing signs of getting their s**t together
Finally with the introduction of a 2nd tier championship teams like Leitrim, Limerick, Louth have a genuine chance to actually win a trophy come the summer and hopefully its given a chance
You actually believe that? :o
And don't forget the death of the Leinster Championship in this "golden age", and the near death of 90% of the AI Championship.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM
We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM
This decade has actually been a golden age for football, especially the last 5 years.
Golden age for football was surely the 90's when we had 8 different winners. Seems absolutely inconceivable now and we'll surely never see that again.
Quote from: haveaharp on September 18, 2019, 02:25:41 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM
We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.
This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:40:22 PM
Quote from: haveaharp on September 18, 2019, 02:25:41 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM
We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.
This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.
You give Tyrone an awful hard time but in the semi-final this year Kerry only played 5 forwards. Paul Murphy was a full time sweeper. Meanwhile Tyrone were constantly kicking the ball into their full forward line.
Against Dublin, Kerry only played 4 forwards as Killian Spillane was dropped. What makes Tyrone so defensive?
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This decade has actually been a golden age for football, especially the last 5 years.
Golden age for football was surely the 90's when we had 8 different winners. Seems absolutely inconceivable now and we'll surely never see that again.
Would agree with that and i probably won't see such a competitive decade again in my lifetime. For now it's hoping Dublin fall back into pack to make the All Ireland series more competitive but i don't see that happening any time soon.
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM
We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.
This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.
And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM
We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.
This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.
You give Tyrone an awful hard time but in the semi-final this year Kerry only played 5 forwards. Paul Murphy was a full time sweeper. Meanwhile Tyrone were constantly kicking the ball into their full forward line.
Against Dublin, Kerry only played 4 forwards as Killian Spillane was dropped. What makes Tyrone so defensive?
Tyrone are essentially a basketball side. They sit back and defend and then try to hit teams on the break by hand passing up the pitch. They pick 1/2 forwards and the rest of the team are just worker bees. Is it a coincidence all the potential forwards who have dropped themselves from the county panel in the last few years??
If you are club player from Kerry, Dublin or Mayo and you're a forward you have ay least 4 out and out attacking positions to strive for. Tyrone have 2 max. It must be soul destroying as a forward training/playing for Tyrone with their current system. Your ability to kick points is less important than your ability to run up and the pitch like an endurance runner. I mean when was the last time Tyrone beat a top side with their blanket defence tactics???
Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM
This decade has actually been a golden age for football, especially the last 5 years. If people could put their dublin bitterness/jealousy aside just consider how many epic games there have been between Dublin, Mayo and Kerry.
We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
Dublin are coming back to the pack and there should be some epic games between themselves and Kerry in the next decade with a young Donegal team coming through as well and Cork finally showing signs of getting their s**t together
Finally with the introduction of a 2nd tier championship teams like Leitrim, Limerick, Louth have a genuine chance to actually win a trophy come the summer and hopefully its given a chance
"The sight of a once vicious rivalry surviving on life support is the GAA's primetime product on the third weekend of June in 2019.
So finishes the decade with the Leinster football championship in ruin as any sense of competitiveness is lost. An era that begun with Meath thumping Dublin to the tune of 5-9 to 0-13 in this very fixture concludes with no provincial rivalry to speak about."
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2019: Kerry led by a point at the end of normal time and David Moran just had to play a routine pass to Tommy Walsh, who was completely unmarked, for what would surely have been the decisive score. He took a play instead, lost possession, and Dublin drew and won the replay convincingly.
That's one way to look at it another would be in the last 10 minutes of the drawn match (3 minutes of normal time and 7 minutes of injury time) Kerry did not have one shot. Only had 4 possessions and only got inside the Dublin 45 once. The signs were clear if Dublin had 15 men for all of the replay they would be winning it comfortably as they did.
In other words you have to go back 2 years since Dublin didn't win a 15 v 15 match convincingly and Kerry were better in 2016 as they didn't have the extra man advantage for one full half to push Dublin all the way.
Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2019, 01:34:53 PM
I fully believe there will be no more than a kick of the ball between Dublin and Kildare should they play in Leinster next year and await with interest the PP odds.
Based on what?
Kevin McStay :
"Dublin therefore know they are athletically better conditioned than the other teams. That gives you an enormous weapon in any ball sport. So on Saturday night, Dublin went after the likes of David Clifford and Moran and they took them on tours of the park. They tested their aerobic capacity. They want to empty them of gas. It is no coincidence that Kerry stopped scoring in the last 15 minutes of both finals. It is Dublin's movement off the ball that staggers me. They have a near sadistic appetite for punishing running. And they tackle hard so you will be sore and sucking for oxygen when you get up. Again and again. Look at the domination of the All-Blacks. It is built on physical supremacy. It is built on pace and power. That is what Dublin are about now."
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We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.
This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.
And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.
Do you know anything about football??
Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.
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We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.
This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.
And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.
Do you know anything about football??
Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.
I am doing nothing of the sort. I am pointing out the one eyed nature of those that claim the blanket only exists with Tyrone. Other counties as described earlier do it as well. It's not difficult and is nothing much to do with quality of forward play.
Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2019, 01:34:53 PM
Excellent analysis Ohtoohtobe.
In 4 of the 5 years there were games where Dublin coulda/shoulda been beaten by Kerry or Mayo.
It's a freak that Dublin have managed to win each year. The three in particular where the opposition had it in their own hands, but it just slipped by where the 2 Mayo own goals, the Vaughan red, and the Moran turnover. If the role of honour of the last 5 years had been: Dublin - Mayo - Mayo - Dublin - Kerry, the narrative would be completely different.
And could you imagine what the ruckus would be if Dubs were dominating at minor!! Instead there's never any discussion how counties can copy Kerry. About all the volunteer hours ex-Kerry players put into their elite squads. Ex-Dubs do that too, and I'm sure it happens in more counties, but could there be more done?
Dublin's best ever minor team were beaten in an AI final by Tipperary.
Quote from: High Fielder on September 18, 2019, 06:53:57 AM
But who wants to be talking about Mayo Kerry and Dublin all the time? It's boring. It doesn't work. The biggest inequity is the make up itself. And now the Turkeys will vote for Christmas with a second tier. Where's the plan to make all this more even? No plan. We're tossing over the embers of one of the most imbalanced sports there is. It's a flawed concept and you'll still be debating the same issues in twenty years time
That's an interesting point High Fielder. But there's no reason Galway, Cork, Meath, Kildare, Armagh, Tyrone, Donegal all can't be equally as good as Kerry and Mayo. Of those, IMO, Tyrone and Donegal are the only two who punch at their weight, but the others all show the odd glimmer that they're getting their house in order. I appreciate there will be ups and downs as the really top quality players come and go. I fully believe there will be no more than a kick of the ball between Dublin and Kildare should they play in Leinster next year and await with interest the PP odds. And I think the next 5 years will be very competitive between the top 5 or 6.
That does nothing for me at all. We have over 30 counties represented in the Association. Where you are born should not define how successful you are in your chosen sport, and if we want to look at ways of making the GAA more inclusive, then the current way of doing things won't cut it. It's simple really. A child can be born in the slums of Rio but there's always a pathway to play for the top clubs in the world, and Brazil. A child can be born in Mumbai and play for cricket clubs all over the world, and India. A child can be born in over half the counties in Ireland, be the best footballer he can possibly be, and be totally wasting his time. He wll never win anything at county level. Why wouldn't he go and play rugby instead? Or soccer? The rest of the country isn't interested in the same 2, 4 or even 8 teams commanding the Association and lording it over the rest os us. We have to find a way of allowing the best in every county an opportunity to play at the highest level. Otherwise, it will have a very limited appeal outside of certain areas.
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We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.
This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.
And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.
Do you know anything about football??
Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.
I am doing nothing of the sort. I am pointing out the one eyed nature of those that claim the blanket only exists with Tyrone. Other counties as described earlier do it as well. It's not difficult and is nothing much to do with quality of forward play.
As a Tyrone fan you're not used to watching top quality forwards play together so I understand allowances have to be made for your lack of knowledge.
The only thing Tyrone and Dublin have in common in terms of tactics is dublin used to need Cluxton to kick long range frees/45s and Tyrone need their keeper Morgan to do it now because its more important for Tyrone forward players to be athletes than point/free takers
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM
We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.
This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.
And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.
Do you know anything about football??
Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.
There is a lot of talk about the Kerry forwards ,yet they only scored 15 points.
That is the lowest score by a team in an All Ireland since the last time (2015) that Kerry contested a final when they only scored 9 points .
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Quote from: haveaharp on September 18, 2019, 02:25:41 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM
We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.
This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.
And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.
Do you know anything about football??
Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.
I am doing nothing of the sort. I am pointing out the one eyed nature of those that claim the blanket only exists with Tyrone. Other counties as described earlier do it as well. It's not difficult and is nothing much to do with quality of forward play.
As a Tyrone fan you're not used to watching top quality forwards play together so I understand allowances have to be made for your lack of knowledge.
The only thing Tyrone and Dublin have in common in terms of tactics is dublin used to need Cluxton to kick long range frees/45s and Tyrone need their keeper Morgan to do it now because its more important for Tyrone forward players to be athletes than point/free takers
Tyrone fan? :o
Questioning someones knowledge when you know nothing about them shows arrogance and a lack of class. But carry on.
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2019, 02:17:28 PM
We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.
This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.
And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.
Do you know anything about football??
Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.
There is a lot of talk about the Kerry forwards ,yet they only scored 15 points.
That is the lowest score by a team in an All Ireland since the last time (2015) that Kerry contested a final when they only scored 9 points .
Dublin only scored 0-9 in the drawn All Ireland final in 2016.
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2019: Kerry led by a point at the end of normal time and David Moran just had to play a routine pass to Tommy Walsh, who was completely unmarked, for what would surely have been the decisive score. He took a play instead, lost possession, and Dublin drew and won the replay convincingly.
That's one way to look at it another would be in the last 10 minutes of the drawn match (3 minutes of normal time and 7 minutes of injury time) Kerry did not have one shot. Only had 4 possessions and only got inside the Dublin 45 once. The signs were clear if Dublin had 15 men for all of the replay they would be winning it comfortably as they did.
In other words you have to go back 2 years since Dublin didn't win a 15 v 15 match convincingly and Kerry were better in 2016 as they didn't have the extra man advantage for one full half to push Dublin all the way.
Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2019, 01:34:53 PM
I fully believe there will be no more than a kick of the ball between Dublin and Kildare should they play in Leinster next year and await with interest the PP odds.
Based on what?
Kevin McStay :
"Dublin therefore know they are athletically better conditioned than the other teams. That gives you an enormous weapon in any ball sport. So on Saturday night, Dublin went after the likes of David Clifford and Moran and they took them on tours of the park. They tested their aerobic capacity. They want to empty them of gas. It is no coincidence that Kerry stopped scoring in the last 15 minutes of both finals. It is Dublin's movement off the ball that staggers me. They have a near sadistic appetite for punishing running. And they tackle hard so you will be sore and sucking for oxygen when you get up. Again and again. Look at the domination of the All-Blacks. It is built on physical supremacy. It is built on pace and power. That is what Dublin are about now."
What proof does he have of this? It's totally ridiculous. Dublin's (and the All Black's) skill levels are off the charts. To suggest otherwise gives away that you're pushing an agenda which I guess is no surprise from this guy.
Kerry had plenty of scoring chances in the last 15 minutes the last day but missed shots or tried to work a goal. They matched Dublin in every aspect for the two games bar taking chances.
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Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams
It was pretty pointless having someone like him on prime time (a club mate of John Horan). He had no authority to speak about the Dublin finances.
You have to admit it was poorly covered. McStay was asked his opinion and he danced around the issue. The Na Fianna lad stuck to the script,
''we have suffered, it's our time now, full credit to our amazing volunteers''. Sounbytes were played from an Ewan McKenna interview done earlier on Skype. Ewan on Twitter said the interview was 19 minutes long and was condensed to 90 seconds. So you can imagine how much detail was used from that interview.
In all it had a feel of RTE wanting to cover the topic but not wanting to ruffle any feathers in the Capital.
It's dangerous ground here. You don't want to be upsetting sponsors and a majority of the work force in RTE are from Dublin.
So here we are the rhetoric from Dublin who has set the bar so high, telling us (the rest of the Gaelic family)
To get our house in order and try harder."Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
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Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams
It was pretty pointless having someone like him on prime time (a club mate of John Horan). He had no authority to speak about the Dublin finances.
You have to admit it was poorly covered. McStay was asked his opinion and he danced around the issue. The Na Fianna lad stuck to the script, ''we have suffered, it's our time now, full credit to our amazing volunteers''. Sounbytes were played from an Ewan McKenna interview done earlier on Skype. Ewan on Twitter said the interview was 19 minutes long and was condensed to 90 seconds. So you can imagine how much detail was used from that interview.
In all it had a feel of RTE wanting to cover the topic but not wanting to ruffle any feathers in the Capital.
It's dangerous ground here. You don't want to be upsetting sponsors and a majority of the work force in RTE are from Dublin.
So here we are the rhetoric from Dublin who has set the bar so high, telling us (the rest of the Gaelic family) To get our house in order and try harder.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Answer these questions though:
Is your county team manager and his backroom team as good as Jim Gavin and his crew?
Have they instilled the same humility, dedication to the process and mental strength into their panellists?
Is your county board as good as Dublin's?
Does your county board develop strategic plans to move your county forward and see them through?
Do you have a defined, successful pathway to develop underage players through to the county setup?
Do you rush players into the senior team in the hope they can bring instant success rather than introduce them gradually?
I think nearly all counties are falling short in some way. Dublin are probably at maximum at present. My experience over my lifetime tells me that this doesn't last forever and no Dublin supporter I talk to thinks it will either. And it won't. This crying and cribbing over money used to coach kids in national schools is pitiful really.
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We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.
This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.
And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.
Do you know anything about football??
Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.
I am doing nothing of the sort. I am pointing out the one eyed nature of those that claim the blanket only exists with Tyrone. Other counties as described earlier do it as well. It's not difficult and is nothing much to do with quality of forward play.
As a Tyrone fan you're not used to watching top quality forwards play together so I understand allowances have to be made for your lack of knowledge.
The only thing Tyrone and Dublin have in common in terms of tactics is dublin used to need Cluxton to kick long range frees/45s and Tyrone need their keeper Morgan to do it now because its more important for Tyrone forward players to be athletes than point/free takers
Tyrone fan? :o
Questioning someones knowledge when you know nothing about them shows arrogance and a lack of class. But carry on.
Well if you think dublin are a defensive team then I'm absolutely calling you on your nonsense. The bitterness towards dublin shows a far bigger lack of class, but hey keep on hating. Here we go 6 in a row
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2019: Kerry led by a point at the end of normal time and David Moran just had to play a routine pass to Tommy Walsh, who was completely unmarked, for what would surely have been the decisive score. He took a play instead, lost possession, and Dublin drew and won the replay convincingly.
That's one way to look at it another would be in the last 10 minutes of the drawn match (3 minutes of normal time and 7 minutes of injury time) Kerry did not have one shot. Only had 4 possessions and only got inside the Dublin 45 once. The signs were clear if Dublin had 15 men for all of the replay they would be winning it comfortably as they did.
In other words you have to go back 2 years since Dublin didn't win a 15 v 15 match convincingly and Kerry were better in 2016 as they didn't have the extra man advantage for one full half to push Dublin all the way.
Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2019, 01:34:53 PM
I fully believe there will be no more than a kick of the ball between Dublin and Kildare should they play in Leinster next year and await with interest the PP odds.
Based on what?
Kevin McStay :
"Dublin therefore know they are athletically better conditioned than the other teams. That gives you an enormous weapon in any ball sport. So on Saturday night, Dublin went after the likes of David Clifford and Moran and they took them on tours of the park. They tested their aerobic capacity. They want to empty them of gas. It is no coincidence that Kerry stopped scoring in the last 15 minutes of both finals. It is Dublin’s movement off the ball that staggers me. They have a near sadistic appetite for punishing running. And they tackle hard so you will be sore and sucking for oxygen when you get up. Again and again. Look at the domination of the All-Blacks. It is built on physical supremacy. It is built on pace and power. That is what Dublin are about now."
What proof does he have of this? It's totally ridiculous. Dublin's (and the All Black's) skill levels are off the charts. To suggest otherwise gives away that you're pushing an agenda which I guess is no surprise from this guy.
Kerry had plenty of scoring chances in the last 15 minutes the last day but missed shots or tried to work a goal. They matched Dublin in every aspect for the two games bar taking chances.
Between the 57th minute and full time which was 77th minute. Kerry scored 1 point from S O'Shea from play. They had 3 wides, 1 each from Geaney,Barry,Moran all tired looking shots and they also have 3 aimless looking balls into square that Dublin's defence and Cluxton dealt with easily.
The only clear cut goal chance in the final 20 minutes of action was for Dublin and if Connolly had laid off the ball instead of shooting it probably would have been a goal.
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Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams
It was pretty pointless having someone like him on prime time (a club mate of John Horan). He had no authority to speak about the Dublin finances.
You have to admit it was poorly covered. McStay was asked his opinion and he danced around the issue. The Na Fianna lad stuck to the script, ''we have suffered, it's our time now, full credit to our amazing volunteers''. Sounbytes were played from an Ewan McKenna interview done earlier on Skype. Ewan on Twitter said the interview was 19 minutes long and was condensed to 90 seconds. So you can imagine how much detail was used from that interview.
In all it had a feel of RTE wanting to cover the topic but not wanting to ruffle any feathers in the Capital.
It's dangerous ground here. You don't want to be upsetting sponsors and a majority of the work force in RTE are from Dublin.
So here we are the rhetoric from Dublin who has set the bar so high, telling us (the rest of the Gaelic family) To get our house in order and try harder.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Answer these questions though:
Is your county team manager and his backroom team as good as Jim Gavin and his crew?
Probably not! Chances are we have a weaker budget to Dublin GAA. Unlike Dublin serious experts are not local, so it costs a lot of money to get these guys.
Have they instilled the same humility, dedication to the process and mental strength into their panellists?
Can't think of any Mayo players saying anything out of line the past decade. They stay well clear of media. Aidan O'Se who gets more than his fair share of negative attention. Stays stum. Same with Lee Keegan! Andy Moran who retired recently talked of his love of playing. It's a lot harder to be mentally strong on the back of losses.
Is your county board as good as Dublin's?
If you are talking about getting out on their feet and raising Money, yes. They have budget limits compared to Dublin.
Does your county board develop strategic plans to move your county forward and see them through?
A huge cost on the finances of the County board has been the McHale Park stand. Dublin have a ready made Stadium that they don't have to maintain or fund!
Do you have a defined, successful pathway to develop underage players through to the county setup?
If you are talking about GDO's there are a few in Mayo that are shared about the clubs. No one has their own and no one could afford one - bar possibly Castlebar Mitchels. Most clubs due to emigration and lack of opportunities are struggling to field teams after under 14.
Do you rush players into the senior team in the hope they can bring instant success rather than introduce them gradually?
Not many have been rushed into the present Mayo set-up the last decade. Looking at the Dublin age profile they don't hang around either if a player is ready!
I think nearly all counties are falling short in some way. Dublin are probably at maximum at present. My experience over my lifetime tells me that this doesn't last forever and no Dublin supporter I talk to thinks it will either. And it won't. This crying and cribbing over money used to coach kids in national schools is pitiful really.
Dublin county board has been phenomenal, but you have to admit the money (although well spent) has been horsed their way. It's kind of embarrassing how much money they have got. This coupled with an embarrassing series of home games in the Championship.
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We have also seen the death of the blanket defence (unless your from Tyrone)
You can't be saying that with a straight face. Dublin and Kerry when not in possession will regularly funnel every man behind the ball, Kerry especially. Mayo Galway Fermanagh all particularly bad for it. Tyrone's version of the blanket isn't that different but they regularly rack up high scores. However they have other attributes that make them all but unwatchable. It will change in time with a change in regime.
This is the usual nonsense spouted about Dublin being a defensive team. Kerry and Dublin at times drop men behind the ball, but it's not their basic plan A,B & C like it is for Tyrone.
And they get to the halfway line, hit the blanket and start playing it across the middle. Watch the final and the replay again, it happened plenty of times.
Do you know anything about football??
Kerry and Dublin have the 2 best forward lines in the country. If you had watched the game on Saturday you would have seen amazing forward play from both sides. Five different players from the 2 sides kicked 4 points from play (dub FF line kicked 0-12 from play) but you're focusing on Dublin playing defensive football.
I am doing nothing of the sort. I am pointing out the one eyed nature of those that claim the blanket only exists with Tyrone. Other counties as described earlier do it as well. It's not difficult and is nothing much to do with quality of forward play.
As a Tyrone fan you're not used to watching top quality forwards play together so I understand allowances have to be made for your lack of knowledge.
The only thing Tyrone and Dublin have in common in terms of tactics is dublin used to need Cluxton to kick long range frees/45s and Tyrone need their keeper Morgan to do it now because its more important for Tyrone forward players to be athletes than point/free takers
Tyrone fan? :o
Questioning someones knowledge when you know nothing about them shows arrogance and a lack of class. But carry on.
Well if you think dublin are a defensive team then I'm absolutely calling you on your nonsense. The bitterness towards dublin shows a far bigger lack of class, but hey keep on hating. Here we go 6 in a row
I think you are reading this wrong. I said other teams including Dublin can play the blanket and they did when required in both games. No bitterness here, maybe you should be enjoying it more rather than defending what isn't being said. And sure didn't you start the thread to see how much bitterness there was out there?
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Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams
It was pretty pointless having someone like him on prime time (a club mate of John Horan). He had no authority to speak about the Dublin finances.
You have to admit it was poorly covered. McStay was asked his opinion and he danced around the issue. The Na Fianna lad stuck to the script, ''we have suffered, it's our time now, full credit to our amazing volunteers''. Sounbytes were played from an Ewan McKenna interview done earlier on Skype. Ewan on Twitter said the interview was 19 minutes long and was condensed to 90 seconds. So you can imagine how much detail was used from that interview.
In all it had a feel of RTE wanting to cover the topic but not wanting to ruffle any feathers in the Capital.
It's dangerous ground here. You don't want to be upsetting sponsors and a majority of the work force in RTE are from Dublin.
So here we are the rhetoric from Dublin who has set the bar so high, telling us (the rest of the Gaelic family) To get our house in order and try harder.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
I think nearly all counties are falling short in some way. Dublin are probably at maximum at present. My experience over my lifetime tells me that this doesn't last forever and no Dublin supporter I talk to thinks it will either. And it won't.
Maybe it won't if you look through the history of the GAA for case studies but we are really in uncharted territory here. Dublin's vast (and ever growing) population coupled with vast funding (and proper organisation). Dublin always had the population advantage but now they have the financial and logistical advantages as well.
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2019: Kerry led by a point at the end of normal time and David Moran just had to play a routine pass to Tommy Walsh, who was completely unmarked, for what would surely have been the decisive score. He took a play instead, lost possession, and Dublin drew and won the replay convincingly.
That's one way to look at it another would be in the last 10 minutes of the drawn match (3 minutes of normal time and 7 minutes of injury time) Kerry did not have one shot. Only had 4 possessions and only got inside the Dublin 45 once. The signs were clear if Dublin had 15 men for all of the replay they would be winning it comfortably as they did.
In other words you have to go back 2 years since Dublin didn't win a 15 v 15 match convincingly and Kerry were better in 2016 as they didn't have the extra man advantage for one full half to push Dublin all the way.
Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2019, 01:34:53 PM
I fully believe there will be no more than a kick of the ball between Dublin and Kildare should they play in Leinster next year and await with interest the PP odds.
Based on what?
Kevin McStay :
"Dublin therefore know they are athletically better conditioned than the other teams. That gives you an enormous weapon in any ball sport. So on Saturday night, Dublin went after the likes of David Clifford and Moran and they took them on tours of the park. They tested their aerobic capacity. They want to empty them of gas. It is no coincidence that Kerry stopped scoring in the last 15 minutes of both finals. It is Dublin's movement off the ball that staggers me. They have a near sadistic appetite for punishing running. And they tackle hard so you will be sore and sucking for oxygen when you get up. Again and again. Look at the domination of the All-Blacks. It is built on physical supremacy. It is built on pace and power. That is what Dublin are about now."
What proof does he have of this? It's totally ridiculous. Dublin's (and the All Black's) skill levels are off the charts. To suggest otherwise gives away that you're pushing an agenda which I guess is no surprise from this guy.
Kerry had plenty of scoring chances in the last 15 minutes the last day but missed shots or tried to work a goal. They matched Dublin in every aspect for the two games bar taking chances.
Between the 57th minute and full time which was 77th minute. Kerry scored 1 point from S O'Shea from play. They had 3 wides, 1 each from Geaney,Barry,Moran all tired looking shots and they also have 3 aimless looking balls into square that Dublin's defence and Cluxton dealt with easily.
The only clear cut goal chance in the final 20 minutes of action was for Dublin and if Connolly had laid off the ball instead of shooting it probably would have been a goal.
I think in the second game they took wrong options due to the pressure dictated by the games situation and maybe their inexperience.
Did Kevin explain why Kerry didn't score a lot in the opening minutes of the game?
QuoteDid Kevin explain why Kerry didn't score a lot in the opening minutes of the game?
I wondered that myself. Dublin obviously were up for it more at the start of the replay due to the scare in the first match. The point after 17 seconds was a great boost and got the home fans up and running also which obviously fed into the Dublin momentum and quelled any of Kerry's.
With a 6 O'Clock throw in did Kerry travel up on the day or the night beforehand? If it was the night before it must have been painful hanging around all day for the match to start?
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QuoteDid Kevin explain why Kerry didn't score a lot in the opening minutes of the game?
I wondered that myself. Dublin obviously were up for it more at the start of the replay due to the scare in the first match. The point after 17 seconds was a great boost and got the home fans up and running also which obviously fed into the Dublin momentum and quelled any of Kerry's.
With a 6 O'Clock throw in did Kerry travel up on the day or the night beforehand? If it was the night before it must have been painful hanging around all day for the match to start?
Kerry didnt score at the beginning of the game because they played high balls into the scoring zone hoping to get a break for a goal.
Great if it comes off but looks piss poor if you return nothing in those 3 or 4 attacks.
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Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams
It was pretty pointless having someone like him on prime time (a club mate of John Horan). He had no authority to speak about the Dublin finances.
You have to admit it was poorly covered. McStay was asked his opinion and he danced around the issue. The Na Fianna lad stuck to the script, ''we have suffered, it's our time now, full credit to our amazing volunteers''. Sounbytes were played from an Ewan McKenna interview done earlier on Skype. Ewan on Twitter said the interview was 19 minutes long and was condensed to 90 seconds. So you can imagine how much detail was used from that interview.
In all it had a feel of RTE wanting to cover the topic but not wanting to ruffle any feathers in the Capital.
It's dangerous ground here. You don't want to be upsetting sponsors and a majority of the work force in RTE are from Dublin.
So here we are the rhetoric from Dublin who has set the bar so high, telling us (the rest of the Gaelic family) To get our house in order and try harder.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Answer these questions though:
Is your county team manager and his backroom team as good as Jim Gavin and his crew?
Have they instilled the same humility, dedication to the process and mental strength into their panellists?
Is your county board as good as Dublin's?
Does your county board develop strategic plans to move your county forward and see them through?
Do you have a defined, successful pathway to develop underage players through to the county setup?
Do you rush players into the senior team in the hope they can bring instant success rather than introduce them gradually?
I think nearly all counties are falling short in some way. Dublin are probably at maximum at present. My experience over my lifetime tells me that this doesn't last forever and no Dublin supporter I talk to thinks it will either. And it won't. This crying and cribbing over money used to coach kids in national schools is pitiful really.
Peter Canavan said that Dublin uphold an amateur ethos with a professional structure while the rest maintain an amateur ethos within an amateur structure.
They have professionalised player development.
Dublin Country board insist that they still have loads of work to do in Cherrywood so please keep the money flowing in.
They don't care about the health of the game of Gaelic Football.
Neither do the suits in Croke Park.
QuotePeter Canavan said that Dublin uphold an amateur ethos with a professional structure while the rest maintain an amateur ethos within an amateur structure.
The irony is that in 3 to 4 years football will be totally ruined. The unintended consequence of this is that you have promising talent in counties outside Dublin that will turn to soccer, rugby and Aus rules. Why would they bother with GAA?
Yesterday a Meath man told me that two of the better Meath minors from a few years back are now gone to Australia, I also heard that one of our best Mayo minors from this year will go down the rugby route.
When the same effort as professional sportsmen and women is now needed to match Dublin then it's hard to blame a young lad or lassie outside Dublin switching codes. We are going to see a lot more of this in the next few years.
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Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams
It was pretty pointless having someone like him on prime time (a club mate of John Horan). He had no authority to speak about the Dublin finances.
You have to admit it was poorly covered. McStay was asked his opinion and he danced around the issue. The Na Fianna lad stuck to the script, ''we have suffered, it's our time now, full credit to our amazing volunteers''. Sounbytes were played from an Ewan McKenna interview done earlier on Skype. Ewan on Twitter said the interview was 19 minutes long and was condensed to 90 seconds. So you can imagine how much detail was used from that interview.
In all it had a feel of RTE wanting to cover the topic but not wanting to ruffle any feathers in the Capital.
It's dangerous ground here. You don't want to be upsetting sponsors and a majority of the work force in RTE are from Dublin.
So here we are the rhetoric from Dublin who has set the bar so high, telling us (the rest of the Gaelic family) To get our house in order and try harder.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Answer these questions though:
Is your county team manager and his backroom team as good as Jim Gavin and his crew?
Have they instilled the same humility, dedication to the process and mental strength into their panellists?
Is your county board as good as Dublin's?
Does your county board develop strategic plans to move your county forward and see them through?
Do you have a defined, successful pathway to develop underage players through to the county setup?
Do you rush players into the senior team in the hope they can bring instant success rather than introduce them gradually?
I think nearly all counties are falling short in some way. Dublin are probably at maximum at present. My experience over my lifetime tells me that this doesn't last forever and no Dublin supporter I talk to thinks it will either. And it won't. This crying and cribbing over money used to coach kids in national schools is pitiful really.
Peter Canavan said that Dublin uphold an amateur ethos with a professional structure while the rest maintain an amateur ethos within an amateur structure.
They have professionalised player development.
Dublin Country board insist that they still have loads of work to do in Cherrywood so please keep the money flowing in.
They don't care about the health of the game of Gaelic Football.
Neither do the suits in Croke Park.
Did anyone ask Peter where the €120m from the British Govt to the Ulster council is gone? has this been distributed equally among all 32 counties?
Quote from: highorlow on September 19, 2019, 09:18:28 AM
QuotePeter Canavan said that Dublin uphold an amateur ethos with a professional structure while the rest maintain an amateur ethos within an amateur structure.
The irony is that in 3 to 4 years football will be totally ruined. The unintended consequence of this is that you have promising talent in counties outside Dublin that will turn to soccer, rugby and Aus rules. Why would they bother with GAA?
Yesterday a Meath man told me that two of the better Meath minors from a few years back are now gone to Australia, I also heard that one of our best Mayo minors from this year will go down the rugby route.
When the same effort as professional sportsmen and women is now needed to match Dublin then it's hard to blame a young lad or lassie outside Dublin switching codes. We are going to see a lot more of this in the next few years.
It's also the Allstars missed out on, the teams that didn't make it past the blue ceiling that in other years might have kicked on and won all Irelands, the kids who didn't experience their county winning etc
It reminds me of the difference between the provincial rugby teams and the rugby clubs. The GAA built a provincial team but forgot to build teams to play against it.
The problem won't fix itself. Something drastic will have to happen.
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Quote from: highorlow on September 19, 2019, 09:18:28 AM
QuotePeter Canavan said that Dublin uphold an amateur ethos with a professional structure while the rest maintain an amateur ethos within an amateur structure.
The irony is that in 3 to 4 years football will be totally ruined. The unintended consequence of this is that you have promising talent in counties outside Dublin that will turn to soccer, rugby and Aus rules. Why would they bother with GAA?
Yesterday a Meath man told me that two of the better Meath minors from a few years back are now gone to Australia, I also heard that one of our best Mayo minors from this year will go down the rugby route.
When the same effort as professional sportsmen and women is now needed to match Dublin then it's hard to blame a young lad or lassie outside Dublin switching codes. We are going to see a lot more of this in the next few years.
It's also the Allstars missed out on, the teams that didn't make it past the blue ceiling that in other years might have kicked on and won all Irelands, the kids who didn't experience their county winning etc
It reminds me of the difference between the provincial rugby teams and the rugby clubs. The GAA built a provincial team but forgot to build teams to play against it.
The problem won't fix itself. Something drastic will have to happen.
Excellent way of putting it!
Quote from: highorlow on September 19, 2019, 09:18:28 AM
QuotePeter Canavan said that Dublin uphold an amateur ethos with a professional structure while the rest maintain an amateur ethos within an amateur structure.
The irony is that in 3 to 4 years football will be totally ruined. The unintended consequence of this is that you have promising talent in counties outside Dublin that will turn to soccer, rugby and Aus rules. Why would they bother with GAA?
Yesterday a Meath man told me that two of the better Meath minors from a few years back are now gone to Australia, I also heard that one of our best Mayo minors from this year will go down the rugby route.
When the same effort as professional sportsmen and women is now needed to match Dublin then it's hard to blame a young lad or lassie outside Dublin switching codes. We are going to see a lot more of this in the next few years.
Forget about 3/4 years time. Football is already ruined.
In order for any county to win an AI, they have to match what Dublin do. But how is that even possible with all the funding Dublin get? It's a futile exercise. Players won't even bother participating anymore, as they'd have to train like animals, and still get nowhere near the top prize.
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Link ?
Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams
It was pretty pointless having someone like him on prime time (a club mate of John Horan). He had no authority to speak about the Dublin finances.
You have to admit it was poorly covered. McStay was asked his opinion and he danced around the issue. The Na Fianna lad stuck to the script, ''we have suffered, it's our time now, full credit to our amazing volunteers''. Sounbytes were played from an Ewan McKenna interview done earlier on Skype. Ewan on Twitter said the interview was 19 minutes long and was condensed to 90 seconds. So you can imagine how much detail was used from that interview.
In all it had a feel of RTE wanting to cover the topic but not wanting to ruffle any feathers in the Capital.
It's dangerous ground here. You don't want to be upsetting sponsors and a majority of the work force in RTE are from Dublin.
So here we are the rhetoric from Dublin who has set the bar so high, telling us (the rest of the Gaelic family) To get our house in order and try harder.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Answer these questions though:
Is your county team manager and his backroom team as good as Jim Gavin and his crew?
Have they instilled the same humility, dedication to the process and mental strength into their panellists?
Is your county board as good as Dublin's?
Does your county board develop strategic plans to move your county forward and see them through?
Do you have a defined, successful pathway to develop underage players through to the county setup?
Do you rush players into the senior team in the hope they can bring instant success rather than introduce them gradually?
I think nearly all counties are falling short in some way. Dublin are probably at maximum at present. My experience over my lifetime tells me that this doesn't last forever and no Dublin supporter I talk to thinks it will either. And it won't. This crying and cribbing over money used to coach kids in national schools is pitiful really.
Peter Canavan said that Dublin uphold an amateur ethos with a professional structure while the rest maintain an amateur ethos within an amateur structure.
They have professionalised player development.
Dublin Country board insist that they still have loads of work to do in Cherrywood so please keep the money flowing in.
They don't care about the health of the game of Gaelic Football.
Neither do the suits in Croke Park.
Did anyone ask Peter where the €120m from the British Govt to the Ulster council is gone? has this been distributed equally among all 32 counties?
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Did anyone ask Peter where the €120m from the British Govt to the Ulster council is gone? has this been distributed equally among all 32 counties?
Most immature post of the year.
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Did anyone ask Peter where the €120m from the British Govt to the Ulster council is gone? has this been distributed equally among all 32 counties?
Most immature post of the year.
How so? This funding coincided with the AI wins of Armagh & Tyrone did it not?
When was that handed over?
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Quote from: highorlow on September 18, 2019, 11:22:55 PM
QuoteDid Kevin explain why Kerry didn't score a lot in the opening minutes of the game?
I wondered that myself. Dublin obviously were up for it more at the start of the replay due to the scare in the first match. The point after 17 seconds was a great boost and got the home fans up and running also which obviously fed into the Dublin momentum and quelled any of Kerry's.
With a 6 O'Clock throw in did Kerry travel up on the day or the night beforehand? If it was the night before it must have been painful hanging around all day for the match to start?
Kerry didnt score at the beginning of the game because they played high balls into the scoring zone hoping to get a break for a goal.
Great if it comes off but looks piss poor if you return nothing in those 3 or 4 attacks.
Myth exposed that Dublin fullback line was weak under the high ball.
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2019, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 19, 2019, 11:18:49 AM
Quote from: Half quarter
Did anyone ask Peter where the €120m from the British Govt to the Ulster council is gone? has this been distributed equally among all 32 counties?
Most immature post of the year.
How so? This funding coincided with the AI wins of Armagh & Tyrone did it not?
It did. People have short memories, however i would never say the great Tyrone team of the noughties was financially doped. Or were they?
From 2009 share Curren interview:
Former Roscommon goalkeeper Shane Curran has made the extraordinary claim that Tyrone and Armagh's recent All-Ireland successes were down to generous funding from the British Government. His controversial comments in this week's Roscommon Champion newspaper are sure to raise the ire of GAA players, officials and supporters in the North. Curran insists that the extra funding has given northern counties a distinct advantage over their southern counterparts in terms of preparation, and that their success has little to do with ability. "Since the inception of the backdoor, demographics along with financial clout, have dictated who does and does not compete for All-Ireland honours," the St. Brigid's clubman said. "The emergence of the northern counties owes as much to the peace process and financial assistance afforded to them by Her Majesty than any real innovation. "Money has played a significant part in the development to which Tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh have made to the modern game." Curran will be on the sideline in Mullingar tomorrow when his Caulry charges face St. Paul's This makes alot of sense getting funding off 2 countrys.
If Cake is your evidence...... ::)
What a facility, Dublin can only dream of. A far cry from Innisfails in Kinsealy where even the pitch is slanted.
https://www.the42.ie/tyrone-garvaghey-project-1124677-Oct2013/
Agreed Dublin financial clout is extraordinary but you still have to stand back & appreciate they have some of the finest players in a generation playing together which has underpinned any of their success.
The redistribution of money from Central Council certainly should be looked at but that's only part of the answer, if you have the wrong people within the county boards spending said money it's only wasted.
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 19, 2019, 12:49:26 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2019, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on September 19, 2019, 11:18:49 AM
Quote from: Half quarter
Did anyone ask Peter where the €120m from the British Govt to the Ulster council is gone? has this been distributed equally among all 32 counties?
Most immature post of the year.
How so? This funding coincided with the AI wins of Armagh & Tyrone did it not?
It did. People have short memories, however i would never say the great Tyrone team of the noughties was financially doped. Or were they?
From 2009 share Curren interview:
Former Roscommon goalkeeper Shane Curran has made the extraordinary claim that Tyrone and Armagh's recent All-Ireland successes were down to generous funding from the British Government. His controversial comments in this week's Roscommon Champion newspaper are sure to raise the ire of GAA players, officials and supporters in the North. Curran insists that the extra funding has given northern counties a distinct advantage over their southern counterparts in terms of preparation, and that their success has little to do with ability. "Since the inception of the backdoor, demographics along with financial clout, have dictated who does and does not compete for All-Ireland honours," the St. Brigid's clubman said. "The emergence of the northern counties owes as much to the peace process and financial assistance afforded to them by Her Majesty than any real innovation. "Money has played a significant part in the development to which Tyrone and to a lesser extent Armagh have made to the modern game." Curran will be on the sideline in Mullingar tomorrow when his Caulry charges face St. Paul's This makes alot of sense getting funding off 2 countrys.
Dunno if there is a connection or not but Curran made his claim the week after Brolly said something similar in the Irish News.
He clammed that Tyrone was the one all others would be chasing and he put it down to the development work going on at underage level, thanks to the funds from the GFA- or something like that.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2019, 12:52:10 PM
If Cake is your evidence...... ::)
https://books.google.ie/books?id=eOL4AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT195&lpg=PT195&dq=ulster+council+british+grants+gaa&source=bl&ots=jRh_IhDej1&sig=ACfU3U1m2GJUrHOGUK3UA45PbvY1GOpSuA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQuMPKudzkAhUG1xoKHV1eDqc4FBDoATACegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=ulster%20council%20british%20grants%20gaa&f=false
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If we want to have the funding discussion lets have it but it has to be balanced.
Is the funding (most of it cash) from the counties with big supporters clubs included in the annual figures?
What about cash from 'influential backers' such as those alluded to in getting rid of Stephen Rochford?
Do the Ulster counties get funding from multiple sources - Westminster/GAA HQ and Ulster council?
What happened to the (heavily funded by Intel) Kildare underage development scheme in the 90's? Cash get misplaced?
Are Kildare still getting six figure grants from Intel for their schools and clubs and if so, where is this money going?
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2019, 01:53:08 PM
If we want to have the funding discussion lets have it but it has to be balanced.
Is the funding (most of it cash) from the counties with big supporters clubs included in the annual figures?
What about cash from 'influential backers' such as those alluded to in getting rid of Stephen Rochford?
Do the Ulster counties get funding from multiple sources - Westminster/GAA HQ and Ulster council?
What happened to the (heavily funded by Intel) Kildare underage development scheme in the 90's? Cash get misplaced?
Are Kildare still getting six figure grants from Intel for their schools and clubs and if so, where is this money going?
Heffo,
Thats a fair point in bold above, however, the link you provided gives no evidence of the 120 million other than stating it in writing?
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2019, 01:53:08 PM
If we want to have the funding discussion lets have it but it has to be balanced.
Is the funding (most of it cash) from the counties with big supporters clubs included in the annual figures?
What about cash from 'influential backers' such as those alluded to in getting rid of Stephen Rochford?
Do the Ulster counties get funding from multiple sources - Westminster/GAA HQ and Ulster council?
What happened to the (heavily funded by Intel) Kildare underage development scheme in the 90's? Cash get misplaced?
Are Kildare still getting six figure grants from Intel for their schools and clubs and if so, where is this money going?
I'm all for that but I can't see it happening any time soon.
I can't see the Dublin CB disclosing the full list of
sponsors partners and how much each individual deal is worth.
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2019, 01:53:08 PM
If we want to have the funding discussion lets have it but it has to be balanced.
Is the funding (most of it cash) from the counties with big supporters clubs included in the annual figures?
What about cash from 'influential backers' such as those alluded to in getting rid of Stephen Rochford?
Do the Ulster counties get funding from multiple sources - Westminster/GAA HQ and Ulster council?
What happened to the (heavily funded by Intel) Kildare underage development scheme in the 90's? Cash get misplaced?
Are Kildare still getting six figure grants from Intel for their schools and clubs and if so, where is this money going?
What money from Intel? Can you provide a link to these figures?
Does anyone see things going back to normal in the next few years?
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 05:19:50 PM
Does anyone see things going back to normal in the next few years?
What is the definition of normal, Dublin losing championship games?
What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a pre season Cupeen.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a more season Cupeen.
Normal would be :
- the Dubs losing a Leinster final
- Someone else winning the all Ireland or maybe 2 different teams winning the next 3 Sams
- Dubs getting no All Stars
as opposed to the current Dub Japanese knotweed model
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 19, 2019, 10:13:06 AM
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2019, 09:21:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 08:35:19 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2019, 06:21:28 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2019, 06:05:47 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 18, 2019, 12:27:46 AM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 18, 2019, 12:10:47 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 17, 2019, 11:28:28 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Link ?
Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams
It was pretty pointless having someone like him on prime time (a club mate of John Horan). He had no authority to speak about the Dublin finances.
You have to admit it was poorly covered. McStay was asked his opinion and he danced around the issue. The Na Fianna lad stuck to the script, ''we have suffered, it's our time now, full credit to our amazing volunteers''. Sounbytes were played from an Ewan McKenna interview done earlier on Skype. Ewan on Twitter said the interview was 19 minutes long and was condensed to 90 seconds. So you can imagine how much detail was used from that interview.
In all it had a feel of RTE wanting to cover the topic but not wanting to ruffle any feathers in the Capital.
It's dangerous ground here. You don't want to be upsetting sponsors and a majority of the work force in RTE are from Dublin.
So here we are the rhetoric from Dublin who has set the bar so high, telling us (the rest of the Gaelic family) To get our house in order and try harder.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Answer these questions though:
Is your county team manager and his backroom team as good as Jim Gavin and his crew?
Have they instilled the same humility, dedication to the process and mental strength into their panellists?
Is your county board as good as Dublin's?
Does your county board develop strategic plans to move your county forward and see them through?
Do you have a defined, successful pathway to develop underage players through to the county setup?
Do you rush players into the senior team in the hope they can bring instant success rather than introduce them gradually?
I think nearly all counties are falling short in some way. Dublin are probably at maximum at present. My experience over my lifetime tells me that this doesn't last forever and no Dublin supporter I talk to thinks it will either. And it won't. This crying and cribbing over money used to coach kids in national schools is pitiful really.
Peter Canavan said that Dublin uphold an amateur ethos with a professional structure while the rest maintain an amateur ethos within an amateur structure.
They have professionalised player development.
Dublin Country board insist that they still have loads of work to do in Cherrywood so please keep the money flowing in.
They don't care about the health of the game of Gaelic Football.
Neither do the suits in Croke Park.
Did anyone ask Peter where the €120m from the British Govt to the Ulster council is gone? has this been distributed equally among all 32 counties?
Link ?
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 19, 2019, 05:54:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 05:19:50 PM
Does anyone see things going back to normal in the next few years?
What is the definition of normal, Dublin losing championship games?
Dublin players running around Coppers off their tits the year round shagging anything that moves
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 19, 2019, 09:53:28 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 19, 2019, 10:13:06 AM
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2019, 09:21:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 08:35:19 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2019, 06:21:28 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2019, 06:05:47 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 18, 2019, 12:27:46 AM
Quote from: Mayo Border on September 18, 2019, 12:10:47 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 17, 2019, 11:28:28 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 17, 2019, 10:14:30 PM
Topic was on prime time there this evening. Anyone with RTE1 +1 will get it at 22:30
Link ?
Great praise for those Dublin GAA volunteers from the chairman of Na Fianna. Undoubtably the best and hardest working volunteers in the land. And an example to the rest of us.
The Na Fianna man refused to acknowledge the exorbitant funding available to Dublin GAA. He confirmed the bar has been raised and it is up to all other counties to raise their levels to catch up. And he mentioned the hundreds of thousands of hours the volunteers put in including his club's 174 teams
It was pretty pointless having someone like him on prime time (a club mate of John Horan). He had no authority to speak about the Dublin finances.
You have to admit it was poorly covered. McStay was asked his opinion and he danced around the issue. The Na Fianna lad stuck to the script, ''we have suffered, it's our time now, full credit to our amazing volunteers''. Sounbytes were played from an Ewan McKenna interview done earlier on Skype. Ewan on Twitter said the interview was 19 minutes long and was condensed to 90 seconds. So you can imagine how much detail was used from that interview.
In all it had a feel of RTE wanting to cover the topic but not wanting to ruffle any feathers in the Capital.
It's dangerous ground here. You don't want to be upsetting sponsors and a majority of the work force in RTE are from Dublin.
So here we are the rhetoric from Dublin who has set the bar so high, telling us (the rest of the Gaelic family) To get our house in order and try harder.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Answer these questions though:
Is your county team manager and his backroom team as good as Jim Gavin and his crew?
Have they instilled the same humility, dedication to the process and mental strength into their panellists?
Is your county board as good as Dublin's?
Does your county board develop strategic plans to move your county forward and see them through?
Do you have a defined, successful pathway to develop underage players through to the county setup?
Do you rush players into the senior team in the hope they can bring instant success rather than introduce them gradually?
I think nearly all counties are falling short in some way. Dublin are probably at maximum at present. My experience over my lifetime tells me that this doesn't last forever and no Dublin supporter I talk to thinks it will either. And it won't. This crying and cribbing over money used to coach kids in national schools is pitiful really.
Peter Canavan said that Dublin uphold an amateur ethos with a professional structure while the rest maintain an amateur ethos within an amateur structure.
They have professionalised player development.
Dublin Country board insist that they still have loads of work to do in Cherrywood so please keep the money flowing in.
They don't care about the health of the game of Gaelic Football.
Neither do the suits in Croke Park.
Did anyone ask Peter where the €120m from the British Govt to the Ulster council is gone? has this been distributed equally among all 32 counties?
Link ?
Read the thread
Quote from: mup on September 19, 2019, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2019, 01:53:08 PM
If we want to have the funding discussion lets have it but it has to be balanced.
Is the funding (most of it cash) from the counties with big supporters clubs included in the annual figures?
What about cash from 'influential backers' such as those alluded to in getting rid of Stephen Rochford?
Do the Ulster counties get funding from multiple sources - Westminster/GAA HQ and Ulster council?
What happened to the (heavily funded by Intel) Kildare underage development scheme in the 90's? Cash get misplaced?
Are Kildare still getting six figure grants from Intel for their schools and clubs and if so, where is this money going?
What money from Intel? Can you provide a link to these figures?
Don't have the wherewithal but first link from Google of intel + Kildare GAA
https://www.kildarenow.com/news/news/415177/53-clubs-and-schools-in-co-kildare-benefit-from-intel-s-matched-grants-program.html
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156979601159608&id=522964607&sfnsn=mo
Quote from: under the bar on September 19, 2019, 11:46:18 PM
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156979601159608&id=522964607&sfnsn=mo
Sure thats a common occurance in there. Not just on Dublin match days and it was people that wernt at the match.
And also, that video is tame compared to the other one doing the rounds.
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a more season Cupeen.
Normal would be :
- the Dubs losing a Leinster final
- Someone else winning the all Ireland or maybe 2 different teams winning the next 3 Sams
- Dubs getting no All Stars
as opposed to the current Dub Japanese knotweed model
Your problem is Dublin winning anything it seems or having a dominent period .
Dublin being hated and people wanting them to lose is nothing new to this decade. Its always been the case. I enjoy it and makes victory so much sweater.
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2019, 10:15:15 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 19, 2019, 09:53:28 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 19, 2019, 10:13:06 AM
Did anyone ask Peter where the €120m from the British Govt to the Ulster council is gone? has this been distributed equally among all 32 counties?
Link ?
Read the thread
Very weak stuff, heffo.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on September 20, 2019, 03:47:21 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2019, 10:15:15 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 19, 2019, 09:53:28 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 19, 2019, 10:13:06 AM
Did anyone ask Peter where the €120m from the British Govt to the Ulster council is gone? has this been distributed equally among all 32 counties?
Link ?
Read the thread
Very weak stuff, heffo.
Yeah, heffo is the one with the weak arguments on this thread.
I'm looking forward to 2020 already. "Buzzin for the half dozen". Does anyone know when the championship draw is scheduled for??
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 19, 2019, 05:54:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 05:19:50 PM
Does anyone see things going back to normal in the next few years?
What is the definition of normal, Dublin losing championship games?
Even occasionally losing championship games, yes.
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2019, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: mup on September 19, 2019, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2019, 01:53:08 PM
If we want to have the funding discussion lets have it but it has to be balanced.
Is the funding (most of it cash) from the counties with big supporters clubs included in the annual figures?
What about cash from 'influential backers' such as those alluded to in getting rid of Stephen Rochford?
Do the Ulster counties get funding from multiple sources - Westminster/GAA HQ and Ulster council?
What happened to the (heavily funded by Intel) Kildare underage development scheme in the 90's? Cash get misplaced?
Are Kildare still getting six figure grants from Intel for their schools and clubs and if so, where is this money going?
What money from Intel? Can you provide a link to these figures?
Don't have the wherewithal but first link from Google of intel + Kildare GAA
https://www.kildarenow.com/news/news/415177/53-clubs-and-schools-in-co-kildare-benefit-from-intel-s-matched-grants-program.html
So when you say Kildare 'clubs' it includes soccer, rugby etc. Not to mention scout groups and other organisations. The way you wrote it one would think this money was solely for Kildare GAA Clubs and schools. Nice try.
People should watch Jeff & Kammy goes to Croker. They visit Tyrone's centre of excellence and are blown away by the facilities.
They are far better than anything available to the dubs but does anyone question how this was paid for???
I say fair play to Tyrone. They got got money from UK, GAA and sponsors to build something that would benefit the county for years to come. If some some individuals on this MB put as much effort into helping their own county as they put into nonsense research for Dubs funding their county would be better off, but unfortunately this is Ireland a nation of begrudgers and haters gonna hate
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 20, 2019, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a more season Cupeen.
Normal would be :
- the Dubs losing a Leinster final
- Someone else winning the all Ireland or maybe 2 different teams winning the next 3 Sams
- Dubs getting no All Stars
as opposed to the current Dub Japanese knotweed model
Your problem is Dublin winning anything it seems or having a dominent period .
Dublin being hated and people wanting them to lose is nothing new to this decade. Its always been the case. I enjoy it and makes victory so much sweater.
Enjoy the modern day success that you never had when it is was based on effort alone. Pillar and Dublin couldn't compete with Tyrone and Armagh based on volunteer effort alone despite 10/1 population advantage. Enter Bertie and the €2M euro a year scam to buy AIs that you could not win!
Quote from: under the bar on September 20, 2019, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 20, 2019, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a more season Cupeen.
Normal would be :
- the Dubs losing a Leinster final
- Someone else winning the all Ireland or maybe 2 different teams winning the next 3 Sams
- Dubs getting no All Stars
as opposed to the current Dub Japanese knotweed model
Your problem is Dublin winning anything it seems or having a dominent period .
Dublin being hated and people wanting them to lose is nothing new to this decade. Its always been the case. I enjoy it and makes victory so much sweater.
Enjoy the modern day success that you never had when it is was based on effort alone. Pillar and Dublin couldn't compete with Tyrone and Armagh based on volunteer effort alone despite 10/1 population advantage. Enter Bertie and the €2M euro a year scam to buy AIs that you could not win!
If you're going out drinking that's your choice. If however after a few drinks you somehow feel the need to post nonsense/lies about the Dubs/Jim Gavin then you probably need psychological help. There's no shame in that by the way. There are plenty of organisations out there that can help you
Quote from: dublin7 on September 20, 2019, 10:18:46 PM
Quote from: under the bar on September 20, 2019, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 20, 2019, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a more season Cupeen.
Normal would be :
- the Dubs losing a Leinster final
- Someone else winning the all Ireland or maybe 2 different teams winning the next 3 Sams
- Dubs getting no All Stars
as opposed to the current Dub Japanese knotweed model
Your problem is Dublin winning anything it seems or having a dominent period .
Dublin being hated and people wanting them to lose is nothing new to this decade. Its always been the case. I enjoy it and makes victory so much sweater.
Enjoy the modern day success that you never had when it is was based on effort alone. Pillar and Dublin couldn't compete with Tyrone and Armagh based on volunteer effort alone despite 10/1 population advantage. Enter Bertie and the €2M euro a year scam to buy AIs that you could not win!
If you're going out drinking that's your choice. If however after a few drinks you somehow feel the need to post nonsense/lies about the Dubs/Jim Gavin then you probably need psychological help. There's no shame in that by the way. There are plenty of organisations out there that can help you
Why don't you enjoy the 5 in a row?
Do.
Meanwhile the rest of us will pay into ClubRossie, Club Tyrone, whatever they have in Mayo, Galway, Tipp, Leitrim etc etc.
Civic reception for their Champion hurlers tonight by the way.
Meanwhile Dublin7, Heffo and the rest don't have to fundraise to field Countyv eams, Their Co Board has €5m in the bank, 39,000 registers players, 1.4m population, a major multinational sponsor (Longford has a sawmill), most of their games at hone in a free National Stadium that's paid for by the rest of us, loads of "official partners ", free cars, dinners delivered etc etc.
Then we're being accused of being bitter and begrudging?
Fck sake we haven't time to be, too busy trying to raise €€€€a to keep the show on the road.
Do the Dubs pay rent to HQ when they use it for league games?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 20, 2019, 10:49:32 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 20, 2019, 10:18:46 PM
Quote from: under the bar on September 20, 2019, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 20, 2019, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a more season Cupeen.
Normal would be :
- the Dubs losing a Leinster final
- Someone else winning the all Ireland or maybe 2 different teams winning the next 3 Sams
- Dubs getting no All Stars
as opposed to the current Dub Japanese knotweed model
Your problem is Dublin winning anything it seems or having a dominent period .
Dublin being hated and people wanting them to lose is nothing new to this decade. Its always been the case. I enjoy it and makes victory so much sweater.
Enjoy the modern day success that you never had when it is was based on effort alone. Pillar and Dublin couldn't compete with Tyrone and Armagh based on volunteer effort alone despite 10/1 population advantage. Enter Bertie and the €2M euro a year scam to buy AIs that you could not win!
If you're going out drinking that's your choice. If however after a few drinks you somehow feel the need to post nonsense/lies about the Dubs/Jim Gavin then you probably need psychological help. There's no shame in that by the way. There are plenty of organisations out there that can help you
Why don't you enjoy the 5 in a row?
I often wondered the same thing!
Anyone with 5 titles to celebrate shouldn't be here snapping and snarling at any that dare to suggest that Dublin aren't just an ordinary, down to earth team like the others. Must be an innate sense of insecurity.
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 20, 2019, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a more season Cupeen.
Normal would be :
- the Dubs losing a Leinster final
- Someone else winning the all Ireland or maybe 2 different teams winning the next 3 Sams
- Dubs getting no All Stars
as opposed to the current Dub Japanese knotweed model
Your problem is Dublin winning anything it seems or having a dominent period .
Dublin being hated and people wanting them to lose is nothing new to this decade. Its always been the case. I enjoy it and makes victory so much sweater.
I was happy for Dublin in 95 when they got over the line and in 2011 when Cluxton scored the free with the last kick of the ball.
What is happening now is an experiment that has gone out of control.
Gaelic Football does not belong to the Dublin County Board.
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 05:38:42 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 20, 2019, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a more season Cupeen.
Normal would be :
- the Dubs losing a Leinster final
- Someone else winning the all Ireland or maybe 2 different teams winning the next 3 Sams
- Dubs getting no All Stars
as opposed to the current Dub Japanese knotweed model
Your problem is Dublin winning anything it seems or having a dominent period .
Dublin being hated and people wanting them to lose is nothing new to this decade. Its always been the case. I enjoy it and makes victory so much sweater.
I was happy for Dublin in 95 when they got over the line and in 2011 when Cluxton scored the free with the last kick of the ball.
What is happening now is an experiment that has gone out of control.
Gaelic Football does not belong to the Dublin County Board.
I'm afraid it does. If you think otherwise you are like the majority who have their head n the sand.
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 05:38:42 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 20, 2019, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a more season Cupeen.
Normal would be :
- the Dubs losing a Leinster final
- Someone else winning the all Ireland or maybe 2 different teams winning the next 3 Sams
- Dubs getting no All Stars
as opposed to the current Dub Japanese knotweed model
Your problem is Dublin winning anything it seems or having a dominent period .
Dublin being hated and people wanting them to lose is nothing new to this decade. Its always been the case. I enjoy it and makes victory so much sweater.
I was happy for Dublin in 95 when they got over the line and in 2011 when Cluxton scored the free with the last kick of the ball.
What is happening now is an experiment that has gone out of control.
Gaelic Football does not belong to the Dublin County Board.
IIRC, you didn't seem overly concerned with Dublin when it was Mayo they were beating. It was only after Dublin beat Galway in the championship that you started on with this.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 21, 2019, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 05:38:42 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 20, 2019, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a more season Cupeen.
Normal would be :
- the Dubs losing a Leinster final
- Someone else winning the all Ireland or maybe 2 different teams winning the next 3 Sams
- Dubs getting no All Stars
as opposed to the current Dub Japanese knotweed model
Your problem is Dublin winning anything it seems or having a dominent period .
Dublin being hated and people wanting them to lose is nothing new to this decade. Its always been the case. I enjoy it and makes victory so much sweater.
I was happy for Dublin in 95 when they got over the line and in 2011 when Cluxton scored the free with the last kick of the ball.
What is happening now is an experiment that has gone out of control.
Gaelic Football does not belong to the Dublin County Board.
IIRC, you didn't seem overly concerned with Dublin when it was Mayo they were beating. It was only after Dublin beat Galway in the championship that you started on with this.
To be fair to Seafoid, He like many others seen this originally as a cycle that would end. Mayo are seen as a easy touch, so Dublin just about winning AI finals beating them was not seen as hugely incredible. Galway being so close and better than Mayo in Connacht gave them the false feeling that their time again was close. It was not until that they seen Dublin up close that the realisation hit home.
The Dubs playing tiki taka after one of the goals against Mayo in the semi was particularly distasteful and said so much about their humility in a flawed system where mediocrity is the height of achievement for 31 counties.
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
The Dubs playing tiki taka after one of the goals against Mayo in the semi was particularly distasteful and said so much about their humility in a flawed system where mediocrity is the height of achievement for 31 counties.
I'd have to problem with the way Dublin went about their business. This was the way they seen fit to see the game out, it was within the rules and it was up to Mayo to get control.
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
The Dubs playing tiki taka after one of the goals against Mayo in the semi was particularly distasteful and said so much about their humility in a flawed system where mediocrity is the height of achievement for 31 counties.
Kerry tried to play keep ball the 1st day and got caught out. It's just game management. I imagine if it rained in choke park you'd moan and blame the dubs for getting wet. I take it you're not "Buzzin for the half dozen???
What I found distasteful was when Donegal sat back in their own half last year against Dublin for last 15 min happy to only lose by 5/6 rather than push up on Dublin, yet that was somehow dublin's fault.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 03:51:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
The Dubs playing tiki taka after one of the goals against Mayo in the semi was particularly distasteful and said so much about their humility in a flawed system where mediocrity is the height of achievement for 31 counties.
I'd have to problem with the way Dublin went about their business. This was the way they seen fit to see the game out, it was within the rules and it was up to Mayo to get control.
If it's not structurally possible for a team to win the all Ireland the beneficiary of that system shouldn't behave so provocatively. The IT reported that Mayo "had it coming to them" per some of the Dubs.
They can't take the money and do that . It's one or the other.
I don't care how many all Irelands they win. Gaelic football is so fucked up at this stage.
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 05:38:42 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 20, 2019, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a more season Cupeen.
Normal would be :
- the Dubs losing a Leinster final
- Someone else winning the all Ireland or maybe 2 different teams winning the next 3 Sams
- Dubs getting no All Stars
as opposed to the current Dub Japanese knotweed model
Your problem is Dublin winning anything it seems or having a dominent period .
Dublin being hated and people wanting them to lose is nothing new to this decade. Its always been the case. I enjoy it and makes victory so much sweater.
I was happy for Dublin in 95 when they got over the line and in 2011 when Cluxton scored the free with the last kick of the ball.
What is happening now is an experiment that has gone out of control.
Gaelic Football does not belong to the Dublin County Board.
Unfortunately, has and the whole shebang is gonna go tits up because of it.
Back in the late nineties/ early noughties there was a dramatic increase in the interest of football throughout the entire country.
In a ten year spell five counties won Leinster titles and Wexford improved out of all recognition.
But the levelling off of standards was not confined to Leinster.
Both Sligo and Longford went close to beating Kerry and Tipp and Limerick had their best period for decades. Galway won two AIs and Mayo made three final appearances.
In Ulster, Armagh won their first AI during this period.
In Leinster, Meath won their last AI in 1999 and were runners up in 2001. KIlldare went close in 1998.
All in all, no one can deny that GAA football was going through a very positive phase.
But there were problems in Dublin for a number of reasons and while other counties were facing them, Dublin's biggest worry was the very high fallout rate in club football. No doubt about it, the county's profile was falling. So a strategic review committee was set up to investigate the issues and reported in 2002.
When the report concluded that Dublin should be split, all hell broke loose and the report was shelved. But that did not address Dublin's club problems so that's were the central funding for Dublin entered the picture.
To be fair,it took a lot more than the gravy train to make Dublin virtually unbeatable today but it sure helped.
I can't blame Dublin for putting its house in order but I don't think any rational person could have foreseen the consequences.
Shoving in mickey mouse tweaks to the intercounty isn't addressing the central issue.
Might as well attempting to stop the Titanic from sinking by applying Band Aid plasters.
Time is running out for the future of Gaelic football as we know it.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
The Dubs playing tiki taka after one of the goals against Mayo in the semi was particularly distasteful and said so much about their humility in a flawed system where mediocrity is the height of achievement for 31 counties.
Kerry tried to play keep ball the 1st day and got caught out. It's just game management. I imagine if it rained in choke park you'd moan and blame the dubs for getting wet. I take it you're not "Buzzin for the half dozen???
What I found distasteful was when Donegal sat back in their own half last year against Dublin for last 15 min happy to only lose by 5/6 rather than push up on Dublin, yet that was somehow dublin's fault.
It was a League game. They were beaten. They were controlling score difference at that stage. That was the NEUTRAL VENUE game! That was the bit I'd not like about that! The GAA decided in their infinite wisdom to give ye even advantages on the playing field as well as off it!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 21, 2019, 04:39:16 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 05:38:42 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 20, 2019, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a more season Cupeen.
Normal would be :
- the Dubs losing a Leinster final
- Someone else winning the all Ireland or maybe 2 different teams winning the next 3 Sams
- Dubs getting no All Stars
as opposed to the current Dub Japanese knotweed model
Your problem is Dublin winning anything it seems or having a dominent period .
Dublin being hated and people wanting them to lose is nothing new to this decade. Its always been the case. I enjoy it and makes victory so much sweater.
I was happy for Dublin in 95 when they got over the line and in 2011 when Cluxton scored the free with the last kick of the ball.
What is happening now is an experiment that has gone out of control.
Gaelic Football does not belong to the Dublin County Board.
Unfortunately, has and the whole shebang is gonna go tits up because of it.
Back in the late nineties/ early noughties there was a dramatic increase in the interest of football throughout the entire country.
In a ten year spell five counties won Leinster titles and Wexford improved out of all recognition.
But the levelling off of standards was not confined to Leinster.
Both Sligo and Longford went close to beating Kerry and Tipp and Limerick had their best period for decades. Galway won two AIs and Mayo made three final appearances.
In Ulster, Armagh won their first AI during this period.
In Leinster, Meath won their last AI in 1999 and were runners up in 2001. KIlldare went close in 1998.
All in all, no one can deny that GAA football was going through a very positive phase.
But there were problems in Dublin for a number of reasons and while other counties were facing them, Dublin's biggest worry was the very high fallout rate in club football. No doubt about it, the county's profile was falling. So a strategic review committee was set up to investigate the issues and reported in 2002.
When the report concluded that Dublin should be split, all hell broke loose and the report was shelved. But that did not address Dublin's club problems so that's were the central funding for Dublin entered the picture.
To be fair,it took a lot more than the gravy train to make Dublin virtually unbeatable today but it sure helped.
I can't blame Dublin for putting its house in order but I don't think any rational person could have foreseen the consequences.
Shoving in mickey mouse tweaks to the intercounty isn't addressing the central issue.
Might as well attempting to stop the Titanic from sinking by applying Band Aid plasters.
Time is running out for the future of Gaelic football as we know it.
History is a record of "effects" the vast majority of which nobody intended to produce."
― Joseph Alois Schumpeter
Gaelic football provides a huge chunk of the GAA's revenue income. If the product isn't interesting the GAA can't force anyone to go to the matches.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
The Dubs playing tiki taka after one of the goals against Mayo in the semi was particularly distasteful and said so much about their humility in a flawed system where mediocrity is the height of achievement for 31 counties.
Kerry tried to play keep ball the 1st day and got caught out. It's just game management. I imagine if it rained in choke park you'd moan and blame the dubs for getting wet. I take it you're not "Buzzin for the half dozen???
What I found distasteful was when Donegal sat back in their own half last year against Dublin for last 15 min happy to only lose by 5/6 rather than push up on Dublin, yet that was somehow dublin's fault.
It was a League game. They were beaten. They were controlling score difference at that stage. That was the NEUTRAL VENUE game! That was the bit I'd not like about that! The GAA decided in their infinite wisdom to give ye even advantages on the playing field as well as off it!
It was put to county board delegates to change this and they didn't. THAT Dublin's fault as well???
Interestingly when the new dystem was unveiled to congress Donegal spoke out in favour and had a delegate sitting at the top table when it was introduced. Even though the fixtures had Dublin getting 2 games in croker and ulster winner playing leinster winner there 1st. Donegal didnt have any problems then, buy sure its easier to blame the big bad evil dubs. Typical of Ireland its always someone else's fault.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 05:47:43 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
The Dubs playing tiki taka after one of the goals against Mayo in the semi was particularly distasteful and said so much about their humility in a flawed system where mediocrity is the height of achievement for 31 counties.
Kerry tried to play keep ball the 1st day and got caught out. It's just game management. I imagine if it rained in choke park you'd moan and blame the dubs for getting wet. I take it you're not "Buzzin for the half dozen???
What I found distasteful was when Donegal sat back in their own half last year against Dublin for last 15 min happy to only lose by 5/6 rather than push up on Dublin, yet that was somehow dublin's fault.
It was a League game. They were beaten. They were controlling score difference at that stage. That was the NEUTRAL VENUE game! That was the bit I'd not like about that! The GAA decided in their infinite wisdom to give ye even advantages on the playing field as well as off it!
It was put to county board delegates to change this and they didn't. THAT Dublin's fault as well???
Interestingly when the new dystem was unveiled to congress Donegal spoke out in favour and had a delegate sitting at the top table when it was introduced. Even though the fixtures had Dublin getting 2 games in croker and ulster winner playing leinster winner there 1st. Donegal didnt have any problems then, buy sure its easier to blame the big bad evil dubs. Typical of Ireland its always someone else's fault.
Where in the above did I blame Dublin GAA?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on September 21, 2019, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 05:38:42 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 20, 2019, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 19, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2019, 05:57:57 PM
What do you call normal?
We'll have a biteen of local excitement in Connacht and th'Ulsters will have their annual love in. Only 3 teams won Ulster in this decade?
Munster will see if Kerry reach 100 before Cork reach 50.
Leinster will be about who gets to lose to Dublin in the Final .
The AI (tier 1 if it hapoens) will be about who Dublin with its huge numbers, resources, finances, home venue etc. beat in the Final.
If Tier 2 happens might generate a bit of excitement for the bottom 16 and the Leagues will at least give every County a chance of a more season Cupeen.
Normal would be :
- the Dubs losing a Leinster final
- Someone else winning the all Ireland or maybe 2 different teams winning the next 3 Sams
- Dubs getting no All Stars
as opposed to the current Dub Japanese knotweed model
Your problem is Dublin winning anything it seems or having a dominent period .
Dublin being hated and people wanting them to lose is nothing new to this decade. Its always been the case. I enjoy it and makes victory so much sweater.
I was happy for Dublin in 95 when they got over the line and in 2011 when Cluxton scored the free with the last kick of the ball.
What is happening now is an experiment that has gone out of control.
Gaelic Football does not belong to the Dublin County Board.
IIRC, you didn't seem overly concerned with Dublin when it was Mayo they were beating. It was only after Dublin beat Galway in the championship that you started on with this.
Sure everybody always beats poor old Mayo. ::)
The sad thing is that Mayo team would have won an All Ireland without the financial doping that was going on in BAC.
I wonder how much it would cost to get replica all Ireland medals made for the 2016 team. Beaten by one point in a replay.
It would be a media event .
Seafoid you would think listening to you it was like the Russians or east Germans in the athletics and mayo will get a retrospective medal at a ceremony at some later date lol.
No doubt there is financial injustice going on here but I think some people are getting a bit carried away.
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 08:05:57 PM
The sad thing is that Mayo team would have won an All Ireland without the financial doping that was going on in BAC.
I wonder how much it would cost to get replica all Ireland medals made for the 2016 team. Beaten by one point in a replay.
It would be a media event .
::)
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2019, 08:33:40 PM
Seafoid you would think listening to you it was like the Russians or east Germans in the athletics and mayo will get a retrospective medal at a ceremony at some later date lol.
No doubt there is financial injustice going on here but I think some people are getting a bit carried away.
Wait until it's 8 in a row, Tommy.
The GAA have a Frankenstein situation going.
Kerry have a chance of challenging the dominance. I didn't think that before the final but I do now.
Dublin will also be a lot worse off when Gavin goes.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Kerry have a chance of challenging the dominance. I didn't think that before the final but I do now.
Dublin will also be a lot worse off when Gavin goes.
The Leinster Championship will get a real boost from this! It'd be great to see a county with 37 titles put it up to them.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
The Dubs playing tiki taka after one of the goals against Mayo in the semi was particularly distasteful and said so much about their humility in a flawed system where mediocrity is the height of achievement for 31 counties.
Kerry tried to play keep ball the 1st day and got caught out. It's just game management. I imagine if it rained in choke park you'd moan and blame the dubs for getting wet. I take it you're not "Buzzin for the half dozen???
What I found distasteful was when Donegal sat back in their own half last year against Dublin for last 15 min happy to only lose by 5/6 rather than push up on Dublin, yet that was somehow dublin's fault.
It was a League game. They were beaten. They were controlling score difference at that stage. That was the NEUTRAL VENUE game! That was the bit I'd not like about that! The GAA decided in their infinite wisdom to give ye even advantages on the playing field as well as off it!
Sorry when you quote GAA you are quoting county board delegates from around the country. How exaclty is that Dublin's fault???
This MB should be linked to the Joe Duffy radio show. Posters bitch, moan and cry about the dubs but will do nothing about the so called advantages they claim Dublin have.
Dublin will do what they do next year and the same cry baby posters will bitch about Dublin's so called advantages.
Thankfully the real world is not like twitter and the bitter posters here who can appreciate one of the greatest ever teams playing attacking football and achieving historic victories.
Buzzin for the half dozen
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 09:35:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
The Dubs playing tiki taka after one of the goals against Mayo in the semi was particularly distasteful and said so much about their humility in a flawed system where mediocrity is the height of achievement for 31 counties.
Kerry tried to play keep ball the 1st day and got caught out. It's just game management. I imagine if it rained in choke park you'd moan and blame the dubs for getting wet. I take it you're not "Buzzin for the half dozen???
What I found distasteful was when Donegal sat back in their own half last year against Dublin for last 15 min happy to only lose by 5/6 rather than push up on Dublin, yet that was somehow dublin's fault.
It was a League game. They were beaten. They were controlling score difference at that stage. That was the NEUTRAL VENUE game! That was the bit I'd not like about that! The GAA decided in their infinite wisdom to give ye even advantages on the playing field as well as off it!
Sorry when you quote GAA you are quoting county board delegates from around the country. How exaclty is that Dublin's fault???
This MB should be linked to the Joe Duffy radio show. Posters bitch, moan and cry about the dubs but will do nothing about the so called advantages they claim Dublin have.
Dublin will do what they do next year and the same cry baby posters will bitch about Dublin's so called advantages.
Thankfully the real world is not like twitter and the bitter posters here who can appreciate one of the greatest ever teams playing attacking football and achieving historic victories.
Buzzin for the half dozen
Where in the above did I blame Dublin GAA?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 09:55:13 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 09:35:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
The Dubs playing tiki taka after one of the goals against Mayo in the semi was particularly distasteful and said so much about their humility in a flawed system where mediocrity is the height of achievement for 31 counties.
Kerry tried to play keep ball the 1st day and got caught out. It's just game management. I imagine if it rained in choke park you'd moan and blame the dubs for getting wet. I take it you're not "Buzzin for the half dozen???
What I found distasteful was when Donegal sat back in their own half last year against Dublin for last 15 min happy to only lose by 5/6 rather than push up on Dublin, yet that was somehow dublin's fault.
It was a League game. They were beaten. They were controlling score difference at that stage. That was the NEUTRAL VENUE game! That was the bit I'd not like about that! The GAA decided in their infinite wisdom to give ye even advantages on the playing field as well as off it!
Sorry when you quote GAA you are quoting county board delegates from around the country. How exaclty is that Dublin's fault???
This MB should be linked to the Joe Duffy radio show. Posters bitch, moan and cry about the dubs but will do nothing about the so called advantages they claim Dublin have.
Dublin will do what they do next year and the same cry baby posters will bitch about Dublin's so called advantages.
Thankfully the real world is not like twitter and the bitter posters here who can appreciate one of the greatest ever teams playing attacking football and achieving historic victories.
Buzzin for the half dozen
Where in the above did I blame Dublin GAA?
So you hate the dubs but won't call them on it. At least Seafoid is honest and just admits he hates dublin.
You blame GAA but that includes your county and the rest of the country. It must be lovely up on that high horse you sit on where you judge everyone
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Kerry have a chance of challenging the dominance. I didn't think that before the final but I do now.
Dublin will also be a lot worse off when Gavin goes.
Are Kerry really that far ahead of Tyrone Donegal Mayo that they are going to seriously challenge Dublin??? Lets be realistic here if Cooper wasnt red carded in the drawn game Dublin would have won pulling up.While Kerry have some outstanding players the replay showed the gap between dublin and the rest is only getting bigger.Kerry may be the best of the rest but theres a big difference between that and challenging Dublin.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 10:03:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 09:55:13 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 09:35:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
The Dubs playing tiki taka after one of the goals against Mayo in the semi was particularly distasteful and said so much about their humility in a flawed system where mediocrity is the height of achievement for 31 counties.
Kerry tried to play keep ball the 1st day and got caught out. It's just game management. I imagine if it rained in choke park you'd moan and blame the dubs for getting wet. I take it you're not "Buzzin for the half dozen???
What I found distasteful was when Donegal sat back in their own half last year against Dublin for last 15 min happy to only lose by 5/6 rather than push up on Dublin, yet that was somehow dublin's fault.
It was a League game. They were beaten. They were controlling score difference at that stage. That was the NEUTRAL VENUE game! That was the bit I'd not like about that! The GAA decided in their infinite wisdom to give ye even advantages on the playing field as well as off it!
Sorry when you quote GAA you are quoting county board delegates from around the country. How exaclty is that Dublin's fault???
This MB should be linked to the Joe Duffy radio show. Posters bitch, moan and cry about the dubs but will do nothing about the so called advantages they claim Dublin have.
Dublin will do what they do next year and the same cry baby posters will bitch about Dublin's so called advantages.
Thankfully the real world is not like twitter and the bitter posters here who can appreciate one of the greatest ever teams playing attacking football and achieving historic victories.
Buzzin for the half dozen
Where in the above did I blame Dublin GAA?
So you hate the dubs but won't call them on it. At least Seafoid is honest and just admits he hates dublin.
You blame GAA but that includes your county and the rest of the country. It must be lovely up on that high horse you sit on where you judge everyone
I have never said I hated the Dubs. I was cheering for them in this years final. I dislike the special treatment they and their fans get. This has nothing to do with the Dublin Players and fans.
I am only a passive Inter-county football follower for the past two years. During this period the intercounty game has not seen a cent of my money and the passion in my bones for the game has faded.
I mourn for the loss of interest that will not be passed onto my Children. They like to play the game but they have no interest in watching Mayo. Something I would not have envisaged a few years ago.
I presume this is what it feels like in counties like Meath, Kildare, Galway, Cork, and beginning to feel like in Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh, Monaghan.
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 21, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Kerry have a chance of challenging the dominance. I didn't think that before the final but I do now.
Dublin will also be a lot worse off when Gavin goes.
Are Kerry really that far ahead of Tyrone Donegal Mayo that they are going to seriously challenge Dublin??? Lets be realistic here if Cooper wasnt red carded in the drawn game Dublin would have won pulling up.While Kerry have some outstanding players the replay showed the gap between dublin and the rest is only getting bigger.Kerry may be the best of the rest but theres a big difference between that and challenging Dublin.
Kerry are at the same level as all those you mentioned. The difference is they are young. But being young guarantees nothing in the future.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 10:19:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 10:03:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 09:55:13 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 09:35:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
The Dubs playing tiki taka after one of the goals against Mayo in the semi was particularly distasteful and said so much about their humility in a flawed system where mediocrity is the height of achievement for 31 counties.
Kerry tried to play keep ball the 1st day and got caught out. It's just game management. I imagine if it rained in choke park you'd moan and blame the dubs for getting wet. I take it you're not "Buzzin for the half dozen???
What I found distasteful was when Donegal sat back in their own half last year against Dublin for last 15 min happy to only lose by 5/6 rather than push up on Dublin, yet that was somehow dublin's fault.
It was a League game. They were beaten. They were controlling score difference at that stage. That was the NEUTRAL VENUE game! That was the bit I'd not like about that! The GAA decided in their infinite wisdom to give ye even advantages on the playing field as well as off it!
Sorry when you quote GAA you are quoting county board delegates from around the country. How exaclty is that Dublin's fault???
This MB should be linked to the Joe Duffy radio show. Posters bitch, moan and cry about the dubs but will do nothing about the so called advantages they claim Dublin have.
Dublin will do what they do next year and the same cry baby posters will bitch about Dublin's so called advantages.
Thankfully the real world is not like twitter and the bitter posters here who can appreciate one of the greatest ever teams playing attacking football and achieving historic victories.
Buzzin for the half dozen
Where in the above did I blame Dublin GAA?
So you hate the dubs but won't call them on it. At least Seafoid is honest and just admits he hates dublin.
You blame GAA but that includes your county and the rest of the country. It must be lovely up on that high horse you sit on where you judge everyone
I have never said I hated the Dubs. I was cheering for them in this years final. I dislike the special treatment they and their fans get. This has nothing to do with the Dublin Players and fans.
I am only a passive Inter-county football follower for the past two years. During this period the intercounty game has not seen a cent of my money and the passion in my bones for the game has faded.
I mourn for the loss of interest that will not be passed onto my Children. They like to play the game but they have no interest in watching Mayo. Something I would not have envisaged a few years ago.
I presume this is what it feels like in counties like Meath, Kildare, Galway, Cork, and beginning to feel like in Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh, Monaghan.
Cry me a river you arrogant fool.
I'm going to guess you are a man and not a woman. I grew up in dublin with a dublin mother and a wexford father.
I went to so many Wexford games with my dad and they got destroyed by Kilkenny/Offlay so many times but did wexford people complain?? NO, they kept going year after year and that's what made years like this year more special.
So Mayo arent as good as the dubs now, deal with it.. Imagine how Leitrim, Sligo fel every year.
I actually feel sorry for your kids. You seem to think unless yiu win its not worth going to games. Winning is great, but for kids its as much the day out as anything else. I've great memories as a young lad going to croker even for losing games with wexford/dublin
It's a pity your arrogance is denying your kids similar memories
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 10:19:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 10:03:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 09:55:13 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 09:35:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
The Dubs playing tiki taka after one of the goals against Mayo in the semi was particularly distasteful and said so much about their humility in a flawed system where mediocrity is the height of achievement for 31 counties.
Kerry tried to play keep ball the 1st day and got caught out. It's just game management. I imagine if it rained in choke park you'd moan and blame the dubs for getting wet. I take it you're not "Buzzin for the half dozen???
What I found distasteful was when Donegal sat back in their own half last year against Dublin for last 15 min happy to only lose by 5/6 rather than push up on Dublin, yet that was somehow dublin's fault.
It was a League game. They were beaten. They were controlling score difference at that stage. That was the NEUTRAL VENUE game! That was the bit I'd not like about that! The GAA decided in their infinite wisdom to give ye even advantages on the playing field as well as off it!
Sorry when you quote GAA you are quoting county board delegates from around the country. How exaclty is that Dublin's fault???
This MB should be linked to the Joe Duffy radio show. Posters bitch, moan and cry about the dubs but will do nothing about the so called advantages they claim Dublin have.
Dublin will do what they do next year and the same cry baby posters will bitch about Dublin's so called advantages.
Thankfully the real world is not like twitter and the bitter posters here who can appreciate one of the greatest ever teams playing attacking football and achieving historic victories.
Buzzin for the half dozen
Where in the above did I blame Dublin GAA?
So you hate the dubs but won't call them on it. At least Seafoid is honest and just admits he hates dublin.
You blame GAA but that includes your county and the rest of the country. It must be lovely up on that high horse you sit on where you judge everyone
I have never said I hated the Dubs. I was cheering for them in this years final. I dislike the special treatment they and their fans get. This has nothing to do with the Dublin Players and fans.
I am only a passive Inter-county football follower for the past two years. During this period the intercounty game has not seen a cent of my money and the passion in my bones for the game has faded.
I mourn for the loss of interest that will not be passed onto my Children. They like to play the game but they have no interest in watching Mayo. Something I would not have envisaged a few years ago.
I presume this is what it feels like in counties like Meath, Kildare, Galway, Cork, and beginning to feel like in Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh, Monaghan.
Cry me a river you arrogant fool.
I'm going to guess you are a man and not a woman. I grew up in dublin with a dublin mother and a wexford father.
I went to so many Wexford games with my dad and they got destroyed by Kilkenny/Offlay so many times but did wexford people complain?? NO, they kept going year after year and that's what made years like this year more special.
So Mayo arent as good as the dubs now, deal with it.. Imagine how Leitrim, Sligo fel every year.
I actually feel sorry for your kids. You seem to think unless yiu win its not worth going to games. Winning is great, but for kids its as much the day out as anything else. I've great memories as a young lad going to croker even for losing games with wexford/dublin
It's a pity your arrogance is denying your kids similar memories
If you want to partake in name calling and insults then go to the School yard! I'm sorry if not hating Dublin football team and their fans does not suit your agenda. From your posts you seen to want Dublin to be hated.
Mayo have never been as good as the Dubs even in the good old days. I have had plenty of bad years following Mayo and that dates back to 1978, but there was always hope. That hope has now gone.
'What does money have to do with family? Me and my da. Jack McCaffrey's dad, Bernard Brogan's dad, Dean Rock's dad'
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/what-does-money-have-to-do-with-family-me-and-my-da-jack-mccaffreys-dad-bernard-brogans-dad-dean-rocks-dad-38519167.html?fbclid=IwAR3V5ZaYoWTYymBJ-03LtKOzP3arGeMKADOLMeoSgTa9eEHecu1JUgza2z0 (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/what-does-money-have-to-do-with-family-me-and-my-da-jack-mccaffreys-dad-bernard-brogans-dad-dean-rocks-dad-38519167.html?fbclid=IwAR3V5ZaYoWTYymBJ-03LtKOzP3arGeMKADOLMeoSgTa9eEHecu1JUgza2z0)
The telling line in the article is:
Cluxton spoke to McCarthy this week. "Macker, I played 10 years and we lost every year. It was crushing.
"And then all you guys come along and we start winning.''
Con O'Callaghan, Mannion and Kilkenny's aul lads were only average footballers so we are ok then.
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 21, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Kerry have a chance of challenging the dominance. I didn't think that before the final but I do now.
Dublin will also be a lot worse off when Gavin goes.
Are Kerry really that far ahead of Tyrone Donegal Mayo that they are going to seriously challenge Dublin??? Lets be realistic here if Cooper wasnt red carded in the drawn game Dublin would have won pulling up.While Kerry have some outstanding players the replay showed the gap between dublin and the rest is only getting bigger.Kerry may be the best of the rest but theres a big difference between that and challenging Dublin.
They could have won the first game and cooper deserved to get sent off because Clifford was forcing him to foul. I don't think any of the other teams you mention would have been able to do that.
They are more fallible than I thought though still a good bit better than the rest.
Sure this forum was full of epitaphs for half their older players and gavin after the drawn game then suddenly it was back to money again when they beat Kerry well.
(I do believe the money thing to a point but it is completely overplayed by some. )
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2019, 08:03:32 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 21, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Kerry have a chance of challenging the dominance. I didn't think that before the final but I do now.
Dublin will also be a lot worse off when Gavin goes.
Are Kerry really that far ahead of Tyrone Donegal Mayo that they are going to seriously challenge Dublin??? Lets be realistic here if Cooper wasnt red carded in the drawn game Dublin would have won pulling up.While Kerry have some outstanding players the replay showed the gap between dublin and the rest is only getting bigger.Kerry may be the best of the rest but theres a big difference between that and challenging Dublin.
They could have won the first game and cooper deserved to get sent off because Clifford was forcing him to foul. I don't think any of the other teams you mention would have been able to do that.
They are more fallible than I thought though still a good bit better than the rest.
Sure this forum was full of epitaphs for half their older players and gavin after the drawn game then suddenly it was back to money again when they beat Kerry well.
(I do believe the money thing to a point but it is completely overplayed by some. )
The money is used to leverage the population advantage that Dublin has . That is the core issue.
They can produce say 200 county standard footballers from a base of x thousand . There is then a selection for skills and another one for endurance
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/charlie-redmond-it-was-a-disgraceful-decision-by-rt-to-screen-a-programme-which-wanted-to-run-down-amateur-athletes-38520756.html
"Bryan Cullen has done a wonderful job as the strength and conditioning coach of this team.
Bryan doesn't turn out muscle-bound gym-bunnies, nor try to turn every player into Olympic speedsters.
If you've got natural pace, like Jack McCaffrey, Eric Lowndes or Eoin Murchan, Cullen adds to it, but his prime job is to turn out football players who can go to the very end.
Having already played for 31 minutes a man down, in those last 12 minutes three weeks ago they hunted down Kerry, showing awesome commitment and fitness."
What is really striking from this article is Charlie's sense of entitlement.
And how amateur Kerry and the rest are by comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsO_SlA7E8k
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 10:03:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 09:55:13 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 09:35:27 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 21, 2019, 05:28:06 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 21, 2019, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 21, 2019, 02:48:13 PM
The Dubs playing tiki taka after one of the goals against Mayo in the semi was particularly distasteful and said so much about their humility in a flawed system where mediocrity is the height of achievement for 31 counties.
Kerry tried to play keep ball the 1st day and got caught out. It's just game management. I imagine if it rained in choke park you'd moan and blame the dubs for getting wet. I take it you're not "Buzzin for the half dozen???
What I found distasteful was when Donegal sat back in their own half last year against Dublin for last 15 min happy to only lose by 5/6 rather than push up on Dublin, yet that was somehow dublin's fault.
It was a League game. They were beaten. They were controlling score difference at that stage. That was the NEUTRAL VENUE game! That was the bit I'd not like about that! The GAA decided in their infinite wisdom to give ye even advantages on the playing field as well as off it!
Sorry when you quote GAA you are quoting county board delegates from around the country. How exaclty is that Dublin's fault???
This MB should be linked to the Joe Duffy radio show. Posters bitch, moan and cry about the dubs but will do nothing about the so called advantages they claim Dublin have.
Dublin will do what they do next year and the same cry baby posters will bitch about Dublin's so called advantages.
Thankfully the real world is not like twitter and the bitter posters here who can appreciate one of the greatest ever teams playing attacking football and achieving historic victories.
Buzzin for the half dozen
Where in the above did I blame Dublin GAA?
So you hate the dubs but won't call them on it. At least Seafoid is honest and just admits he hates dublin.
You blame GAA but that includes your county and the rest of the country. It must be lovely up on that high horse you sit on where you judge everyone
I don't hate Dublin. When Dublin were shite I always had time for them ;)
I think the system of funding Dublin has to go.
I don't think it's fair to the other counties.
I also think there has to be some mechanism to share sponsorship money around .
In relation to funding, is it population based? Or number of clubs based? Cork got more clubs than any other county. There 32 counties, a simple vote on the way gaa money is divided between counties shouldn't be that hard. Also counties have all been bought off to play games in croke Park for a bigger cut of mony in the leinster championship. They can easily outvote Dublin to play their home games at home against Dublin.
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2019, 09:14:21 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2019, 08:03:32 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 21, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Kerry have a chance of challenging the dominance. I didn't think that before the final but I do now.
Dublin will also be a lot worse off when Gavin goes.
Are Kerry really that far ahead of Tyrone Donegal Mayo that they are going to seriously challenge Dublin??? Lets be realistic here if Cooper wasnt red carded in the drawn game Dublin would have won pulling up.While Kerry have some outstanding players the replay showed the gap between dublin and the rest is only getting bigger.Kerry may be the best of the rest but theres a big difference between that and challenging Dublin.
They could have won the first game and cooper deserved to get sent off because Clifford was forcing him to foul. I don't think any of the other teams you mention would have been able to do that.
They are more fallible than I thought though still a good bit better than the rest.
Sure this forum was full of epitaphs for half their older players and gavin after the drawn game then suddenly it was back to money again when they beat Kerry well.
(I do believe the money thing to a point but it is completely overplayed by some. )
The money is used to leverage the population advantage that Dublin has . That is the core issue.
They can produce say 200 county standard footballers from a base of x thousand . There is then a selection for skills and another one for endurance
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/charlie-redmond-it-was-a-disgraceful-decision-by-rt-to-screen-a-programme-which-wanted-to-run-down-amateur-athletes-38520756.html
"Bryan Cullen has done a wonderful job as the strength and conditioning coach of this team.
Bryan doesn't turn out muscle-bound gym-bunnies, nor try to turn every player into Olympic speedsters.
If you've got natural pace, like Jack McCaffrey, Eric Lowndes or Eoin Murchan, Cullen adds to it, but his prime job is to turn out football players who can go to the very end.
Having already played for 31 minutes a man down, in those last 12 minutes three weeks ago they hunted down Kerry, showing awesome commitment and fitness."
What is really striking from this article is Charlie's sense of entitlement.
And how amateur Kerry and the rest are by comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsO_SlA7E8k
Where is the sense of entitlement in the quote you have put up? Caveat, I haven't watched the YouTube video so it could be in that
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 22, 2019, 10:34:56 AM
In relation to funding, is it population based? Or number of clubs based? Cork got more clubs than any other county. There 32 counties, a simple vote on the way gaa money is divided between counties shouldn't be that hard. Also counties have all been bought off to play games in croke Park for a bigger cut of mony in the leister championship. They can easily outvote Dublin to play their home games at home against Dublin.
Outvote Dublin? Isn't it the other counties who voted to play in CP
Excately
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 22, 2019, 10:35:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2019, 09:14:21 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2019, 08:03:32 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 21, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Kerry have a chance of challenging the dominance. I didn't think that before the final but I do now.
Dublin will also be a lot worse off when Gavin goes.
Are Kerry really that far ahead of Tyrone Donegal Mayo that they are going to seriously challenge Dublin??? Lets be realistic here if Cooper wasnt red carded in the drawn game Dublin would have won pulling up.While Kerry have some outstanding players the replay showed the gap between dublin and the rest is only getting bigger.Kerry may be the best of the rest but theres a big difference between that and challenging Dublin.
They could have won the first game and cooper deserved to get sent off because Clifford was forcing him to foul. I don't think any of the other teams you mention would have been able to do that.
They are more fallible than I thought though still a good bit better than the rest.
Sure this forum was full of epitaphs for half their older players and gavin after the drawn game then suddenly it was back to money again when they beat Kerry well.
(I do believe the money thing to a point but it is completely overplayed by some. )
The money is used to leverage the population advantage that Dublin has . That is the core issue.
They can produce say 200 county standard footballers from a base of x thousand . There is then a selection for skills and another one for endurance
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/charlie-redmond-it-was-a-disgraceful-decision-by-rt-to-screen-a-programme-which-wanted-to-run-down-amateur-athletes-38520756.html
"Bryan Cullen has done a wonderful job as the strength and conditioning coach of this team.
Bryan doesn't turn out muscle-bound gym-bunnies, nor try to turn every player into Olympic speedsters.
If you've got natural pace, like Jack McCaffrey, Eric Lowndes or Eoin Murchan, Cullen adds to it, but his prime job is to turn out football players who can go to the very end.
Having already played for 31 minutes a man down, in those last 12 minutes three weeks ago they hunted down Kerry, showing awesome commitment and fitness."
What is really striking from this article is Charlie's sense of entitlement.
And how amateur Kerry and the rest are by comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsO_SlA7E8k
Where is the sense of entitlement in the quote you have put up? Caveat, I haven't watched the YouTube video so it could be in that
elsewhere in the article
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/charlie-redmond-it-was-a-disgraceful-decision-by-rt-to-screen-a-programme-which-wanted-to-run-down-amateur-athletes-38520756.html
"It was a disgraceful decision by our national broadcaster to run a programme which wanted to do nothing more than run down amateur athletes who had just created a wonderful piece of Irish sporting history.
Now for the money issue. If it was all about money, Dublin would be winning hurling titles all over the place. They are not.
And, secondly, not a cent of that coaching and games development money goes on preparing any Dublin inter-county team.
It is all spent on sending coaches into clubs and schools to encourage young boys and girls to be the best they can be."
So it's just a fluke that they won 5 in a row
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2019, 11:41:14 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 22, 2019, 10:35:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2019, 09:14:21 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2019, 08:03:32 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 21, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Kerry have a chance of challenging the dominance. I didn't think that before the final but I do now.
Dublin will also be a lot worse off when Gavin goes.
Are Kerry really that far ahead of Tyrone Donegal Mayo that they are going to seriously challenge Dublin??? Lets be realistic here if Cooper wasnt red carded in the drawn game Dublin would have won pulling up.While Kerry have some outstanding players the replay showed the gap between dublin and the rest is only getting bigger.Kerry may be the best of the rest but theres a big difference between that and challenging Dublin.
They could have won the first game and cooper deserved to get sent off because Clifford was forcing him to foul. I don't think any of the other teams you mention would have been able to do that.
They are more fallible than I thought though still a good bit better than the rest.
Sure this forum was full of epitaphs for half their older players and gavin after the drawn game then suddenly it was back to money again when they beat Kerry well.
(I do believe the money thing to a point but it is completely overplayed by some. )
The money is used to leverage the population advantage that Dublin has . That is the core issue.
They can produce say 200 county standard footballers from a base of x thousand . There is then a selection for skills and another one for endurance
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/charlie-redmond-it-was-a-disgraceful-decision-by-rt-to-screen-a-programme-which-wanted-to-run-down-amateur-athletes-38520756.html
"Bryan Cullen has done a wonderful job as the strength and conditioning coach of this team.
Bryan doesn't turn out muscle-bound gym-bunnies, nor try to turn every player into Olympic speedsters.
If you've got natural pace, like Jack McCaffrey, Eric Lowndes or Eoin Murchan, Cullen adds to it, but his prime job is to turn out football players who can go to the very end.
Having already played for 31 minutes a man down, in those last 12 minutes three weeks ago they hunted down Kerry, showing awesome commitment and fitness."
What is really striking from this article is Charlie's sense of entitlement.
And how amateur Kerry and the rest are by comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsO_SlA7E8k
Where is the sense of entitlement in the quote you have put up? Caveat, I haven't watched the YouTube video so it could be in that
elsewhere in the article
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/charlie-redmond-it-was-a-disgraceful-decision-by-rt-to-screen-a-programme-which-wanted-to-run-down-amateur-athletes-38520756.html
"It was a disgraceful decision by our national broadcaster to run a programme which wanted to do nothing more than run down amateur athletes who had just created a wonderful piece of Irish sporting history.
Now for the money issue. If it was all about money, Dublin would be winning hurling titles all over the place. They are not.
And, secondly, not a cent of that coaching and games development money goes on preparing any Dublin inter-county team.
It is all spent on sending coaches into clubs and schools to encourage young boys and girls to be the best they can be."
So it's just a fluke that they won 5 in a row
Again, where is the entitlement in that?
Yeah exactly and Kerry are not overly amateur.
I get what you say sf but you have lost the run of yourself a bit. You talk like they should be kicked out. Crazy talk.
Some people seriously losing the run of themselves here. I'd love for us to meet up to read over all these comments in 5 years time.
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2019, 11:41:14 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 22, 2019, 10:35:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 22, 2019, 09:14:21 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2019, 08:03:32 AM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 21, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 21, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Kerry have a chance of challenging the dominance. I didn't think that before the final but I do now.
Dublin will also be a lot worse off when Gavin goes.
Are Kerry really that far ahead of Tyrone Donegal Mayo that they are going to seriously challenge Dublin??? Lets be realistic here if Cooper wasnt red carded in the drawn game Dublin would have won pulling up.While Kerry have some outstanding players the replay showed the gap between dublin and the rest is only getting bigger.Kerry may be the best of the rest but theres a big difference between that and challenging Dublin.
They could have won the first game and cooper deserved to get sent off because Clifford was forcing him to foul. I don't think any of the other teams you mention would have been able to do that.
They are more fallible than I thought though still a good bit better than the rest.
Sure this forum was full of epitaphs for half their older players and gavin after the drawn game then suddenly it was back to money again when they beat Kerry well.
(I do believe the money thing to a point but it is completely overplayed by some. )
The money is used to leverage the population advantage that Dublin has . That is the core issue.
They can produce say 200 county standard footballers from a base of x thousand . There is then a selection for skills and another one for endurance
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/charlie-redmond-it-was-a-disgraceful-decision-by-rt-to-screen-a-programme-which-wanted-to-run-down-amateur-athletes-38520756.html
"Bryan Cullen has done a wonderful job as the strength and conditioning coach of this team.
Bryan doesn't turn out muscle-bound gym-bunnies, nor try to turn every player into Olympic speedsters.
If you've got natural pace, like Jack McCaffrey, Eric Lowndes or Eoin Murchan, Cullen adds to it, but his prime job is to turn out football players who can go to the very end.
Having already played for 31 minutes a man down, in those last 12 minutes three weeks ago they hunted down Kerry, showing awesome commitment and fitness."
What is really striking from this article is Charlie's sense of entitlement.
And how amateur Kerry and the rest are by comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsO_SlA7E8k
Where is the sense of entitlement in the quote you have put up? Caveat, I haven't watched the YouTube video so it could be in that
elsewhere in the article
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/charlie-redmond-it-was-a-disgraceful-decision-by-rt-to-screen-a-programme-which-wanted-to-run-down-amateur-athletes-38520756.html
"It was a disgraceful decision by our national broadcaster to run a programme which wanted to do nothing more than run down amateur athletes who had just created a wonderful piece of Irish sporting history.
Now for the money issue. If it was all about money, Dublin would be winning hurling titles all over the place. They are not.
And, secondly, not a cent of that coaching and games development money goes on preparing any Dublin inter-county team.
It is all spent on sending coaches into clubs and schools to encourage young boys and girls to be the best they can be."
So it's just a fluke that they won 5 in a row
Its factually correct though, development money does not go near the senior inter county teams.
Facts are irrelevant to most on here. If everthing came down to population and money China would be world no 1 in all sports.
It seems being better is now a crime,sin, unfair advantage to everyone else.
Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.
Imagine if all supporters in all sports were like muppets here who decided not to go to games because they think their team won't win. Competitive sport would be finished overnight
As opposed to the Inter County SFC dying over a a few years.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 23, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
Facts are irrelevant to most on here. If everthing came down to population and money China would be world no 1 in all sports.
It seems being better is now a crime,sin, unfair advantage to everyone else.
Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.
Imagine if all supporters in all sports were like muppets here who decided not to go to games because they think their team won't win. Competitive sport would be finished overnight
You start a thread clearly to stir up the likes of Galway and Mayo fans and then you whinge about them bitching? Heres the thing - don't start sad threads like this if you don't want them bitching.
I followed my county for years and years not thinking they would win. I was more hoping they would win. We don't even have that hope now. I don't even go anymore and that's from someone who travelled to the majority of games. I refuse pay for what is going on .
And it's not Dublin GAA I'm pissed with. I'm pissed with the organisation for losing that hope we had every year. I'm pissed off with the organisation for destroying the sport (especially in Leinster). Maybe if you stood back for minute and imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and see how you would feel then. But I'm sure you don't give a fiddlers about any other county. Once you get your millions and keep winning then all is well.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 23, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.
What disadvantages do they have apart from population? Sligo and Roscommon received more development funding than Mayo over the last 11 years. Leitrim aren't very far behind either despite being a much smaller county. There's generally a home/away arrangement for games in Connacht. The exception being London who start off with a home game every year.
QuoteCompetitive sport would be finished overnight
Mens and Ladies "amateur" inter county football is no longer competitive.
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2019, 09:59:44 AM
QuoteCompetitive sport would be finished overnight
Mens and Ladies "amateur" inter county football is no longer competitive.
It's a procession
Quote from: mup on September 23, 2019, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 23, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
Facts are irrelevant to most on here. If everthing came down to population and money China would be world no 1 in all sports.
It seems being better is now a crime,sin, unfair advantage to everyone else.
Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.
Imagine if all supporters in all sports were like muppets here who decided not to go to games because they think their team won't win. Competitive sport would be finished overnight
You start a thread clearly to stir up the likes of Galway and Mayo fans and then you whinge about them bitching? Heres the thing - don't start sad threads like this if you don't want them bitching.
I followed my county for years and years not thinking they would win. I was more hoping they would win. We don't even have that hope now. I don't even go anymore and that's from someone who travelled to the majority of games. I refuse pay for what is going on .
And it's not Dublin GAA I'm pissed with. I'm pissed with the organisation for losing that hope we had every year. I'm pissed off with the organisation for destroying the sport (especially in Leinster). Maybe if you stood back for minute and imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and see how you would feel then. But I'm sure you don't give a fiddlers about any other county. Once you get your millions and keep winning then all is well.
My point is teams like Sligo, London, Leitrim, Limerick enter the provincal championships every year with no chance of winning it but no seems to have any issues with that. It's all about how dublin have made it so difficult to win an All Ireland!!! Interesting that the only county you don't hear moaning is Kerry.
People constantly crying over Mayo not winning an all Ireland, but at least they have multiple titles Connaght titles/medals to their name. Great players like John Galvin, Matty Forde, Declan Browne don't even have a provincal medal. I'd much rather see structures changed so weaker counties have something tangiable to aim for come the summer and not have their season end at the end of June when it's the best time of year for football.
If you think taking money off Dublin and just throwing money at the weaker counties will work you should go work for the HSE. They are perfect example of how just throwing money at a problem doesn't work.
So you want tiered Provincial Championships?
Dundalk FC have just won the league again, 4 out of the last 5 seasons.
Also i big congrats to Derrygonnelly Harps of Fermanagh, who have just done 5 in a row county football championships.
Dont worry, no one will begrudge your succuess on here. . . . . . .
Derrygonnelly and Dundalk haven't got 10 times the population of their closest rivals.
Don't get to play all their big games at home.
Don't have the Fermanagh CB or FAI giving them preferential financial assistance.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 24, 2019, 11:00:20 AM
Quote from: mup on September 23, 2019, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 23, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
Facts are irrelevant to most on here. If everthing came down to population and money China would be world no 1 in all sports.
It seems being better is now a crime,sin, unfair advantage to everyone else.
Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.
Imagine if all supporters in all sports were like muppets here who decided not to go to games because they think their team won't win. Competitive sport would be finished overnight
You start a thread clearly to stir up the likes of Galway and Mayo fans and then you whinge about them bitching? Heres the thing - don't start sad threads like this if you don't want them bitching.
I followed my county for years and years not thinking they would win. I was more hoping they would win. We don't even have that hope now. I don't even go anymore and that's from someone who travelled to the majority of games. I refuse pay for what is going on .
And it's not Dublin GAA I'm pissed with. I'm pissed with the organisation for losing that hope we had every year. I'm pissed off with the organisation for destroying the sport (especially in Leinster). Maybe if you stood back for minute and imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and see how you would feel then. But I'm sure you don't give a fiddlers about any other county. Once you get your millions and keep winning then all is well.
My point is teams like Sligo, London, Leitrim, Limerick enter the provincal championships every year with no chance of winning it but no seems to have any issues with that. It's all about how dublin have made it so difficult to win an All Ireland!!! Interesting that the only county you don't hear moaning is Kerry.
People constantly crying over Mayo not winning an all Ireland, but at least they have multiple titles Connaght titles/medals to their name. Great players like John Galvin, Matty Forde, Declan Browne don't even have a provincal medal. I'd much rather see structures changed so weaker counties have something tangiable to aim for come the summer and not have their season end at the end of June when it's the best time of year for football.
If you think taking money off Dublin and just throwing money at the weaker counties will work you should go work for the HSE. They are perfect example of how just throwing money at a problem doesn't work.
There are hardly any Kerry posters on this board. Have a look on HoganStand if you want to see them talk about it. As I pointed out in my previous post, those counties don't have any disadvantage in the Connacht/Munster championship bar population.
So investing in Dublin is fine but putting more coaches in the likes of Dundalk, Drogheda, Bray, Sligo and other soccer towns is money down the drain?
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 24, 2019, 01:23:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 24, 2019, 11:00:20 AM
Quote from: mup on September 23, 2019, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 23, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
Facts are irrelevant to most on here. If everthing came down to population and money China would be world no 1 in all sports.
It seems being better is now a crime,sin, unfair advantage to everyone else.
Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.
Imagine if all supporters in all sports were like muppets here who decided not to go to games because they think their team won't win. Competitive sport would be finished overnight
You start a thread clearly to stir up the likes of Galway and Mayo fans and then you whinge about them bitching? Heres the thing - don't start sad threads like this if you don't want them bitching.
I followed my county for years and years not thinking they would win. I was more hoping they would win. We don't even have that hope now. I don't even go anymore and that's from someone who travelled to the majority of games. I refuse pay for what is going on .
And it's not Dublin GAA I'm pissed with. I'm pissed with the organisation for losing that hope we had every year. I'm pissed off with the organisation for destroying the sport (especially in Leinster). Maybe if you stood back for minute and imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and see how you would feel then. But I'm sure you don't give a fiddlers about any other county. Once you get your millions and keep winning then all is well.
My point is teams like Sligo, London, Leitrim, Limerick enter the provincal championships every year with no chance of winning it but no seems to have any issues with that. It's all about how dublin have made it so difficult to win an All Ireland!!! Interesting that the only county you don't hear moaning is Kerry.
People constantly crying over Mayo not winning an all Ireland, but at least they have multiple titles Connaght titles/medals to their name. Great players like John Galvin, Matty Forde, Declan Browne don't even have a provincal medal. I'd much rather see structures changed so weaker counties have something tangiable to aim for come the summer and not have their season end at the end of June when it's the best time of year for football.
If you think taking money off Dublin and just throwing money at the weaker counties will work you should go work for the HSE. They are perfect example of how just throwing money at a problem doesn't work.
There are hardly any Kerry posters on this board. Have a look on HoganStand if you want to see them talk about it. As I pointed out in my previous post, those counties don't have any disadvantage in the Connacht/Munster championship bar population.
So investing in Dublin is fine but putting more coaches in the likes of Dundalk, Drogheda, Bray, Sligo and other soccer towns is money down the drain?
If county boards have plans/structures in place for what they would do with capital grants then no problem, but how many county boards would you trust to spend the money wisely?
So what you also saying is that if you're a small county it's tough luck. You have no chance of winning even a provincal title, but that's just life, deal with it. Dublin are better than all the contenders for the All Ireland at the moment but that is somehow a disgrace and GAA shouldit seems be ashamed for allowing this to happen
Great discussion on the Joe Duffy show just now about the Dubs Homecoming bash. (I thought all dubs games were played at home). One caller suggested it be held in Croke Park but it was pointed out to him that not possible because Croker is a neutral venue for all Counties. This was met with loud laughter from all including from Joe at how ridiculous it was to suggest such a thing. When they gathered themselves, a caller pointed out in emphatic fashion that "The Dublin HQ is for the Dublin team ".
It's quite shocking that the Dubs are not loved by all
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 23, 2019, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 23, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.
What disadvantages do they have apart from population? Sligo and Roscommon received more development funding than Mayo over the last 11 years. Leitrim aren't very far behind either despite being a much smaller county. There's generally a home/away arrangement for games in Connacht. The exception being London who start off with a home game every year.
Are you factoring in the GAA talking over the 5 million debt of McHale stadium?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 24, 2019, 12:35:03 PM
Derrygonnelly and Dundalk haven't got 10 times the population of their closest rivals.
Don't get to play all their big games at home.
Don't have the Fermanagh CB or FAI giving them preferential financial assistance.
Dundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.
QuoteDundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.
Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.
Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.
Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.
Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 24, 2019, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 24, 2019, 01:23:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 24, 2019, 11:00:20 AM
Quote from: mup on September 23, 2019, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 23, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
Facts are irrelevant to most on here. If everthing came down to population and money China would be world no 1 in all sports.
It seems being better is now a crime,sin, unfair advantage to everyone else.
Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.
Imagine if all supporters in all sports were like muppets here who decided not to go to games because they think their team won't win. Competitive sport would be finished overnight
You start a thread clearly to stir up the likes of Galway and Mayo fans and then you whinge about them bitching? Heres the thing - don't start sad threads like this if you don't want them bitching.
I followed my county for years and years not thinking they would win. I was more hoping they would win. We don't even have that hope now. I don't even go anymore and that's from someone who travelled to the majority of games. I refuse pay for what is going on .
And it's not Dublin GAA I'm pissed with. I'm pissed with the organisation for losing that hope we had every year. I'm pissed off with the organisation for destroying the sport (especially in Leinster). Maybe if you stood back for minute and imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and see how you would feel then. But I'm sure you don't give a fiddlers about any other county. Once you get your millions and keep winning then all is well.
My point is teams like Sligo, London, Leitrim, Limerick enter the provincal championships every year with no chance of winning it but no seems to have any issues with that. It's all about how dublin have made it so difficult to win an All Ireland!!! Interesting that the only county you don't hear moaning is Kerry.
People constantly crying over Mayo not winning an all Ireland, but at least they have multiple titles Connaght titles/medals to their name. Great players like John Galvin, Matty Forde, Declan Browne don't even have a provincal medal. I'd much rather see structures changed so weaker counties have something tangiable to aim for come the summer and not have their season end at the end of June when it's the best time of year for football.
If you think taking money off Dublin and just throwing money at the weaker counties will work you should go work for the HSE. They are perfect example of how just throwing money at a problem doesn't work.
There are hardly any Kerry posters on this board. Have a look on HoganStand if you want to see them talk about it. As I pointed out in my previous post, those counties don't have any disadvantage in the Connacht/Munster championship bar population.
So investing in Dublin is fine but putting more coaches in the likes of Dundalk, Drogheda, Bray, Sligo and other soccer towns is money down the drain?
If county boards have plans/structures in place for what they would do with capital grants then no problem, but how many county boards would you trust to spend the money wisely?
So what you also saying is that if you're a small county it's tough luck. You have no chance of winning even a provincal title, but that's just life, deal with it. Dublin are better than all the contenders for the All Ireland at the moment but that is somehow a disgrace and GAA shouldit seems be ashamed for allowing this to happen
It's not a capital grant. Just move some of the full time coaches to areas of the country in need and try to increase the standards there. There is no money changing hands with county boards.
If players in smaller counties want a 2nd tier championship I've no problem with that but it's up to those players to ask.
Quote from: weareros on September 24, 2019, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 23, 2019, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 23, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.
What disadvantages do they have apart from population? Sligo and Roscommon received more development funding than Mayo over the last 11 years. Leitrim aren't very far behind either despite being a much smaller county. There's generally a home/away arrangement for games in Connacht. The exception being London who start off with a home game every year.
Are you factoring in the GAA talking over the 5 million debt of McHale stadium?
You mean the loan that is now being repaid in full with interest? 30,000 per month repayments, the majority of which is funded by the clubs.
Quote from: weareros on September 24, 2019, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 23, 2019, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 23, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.
What disadvantages do they have apart from population? Sligo and Roscommon received more development funding than Mayo over the last 11 years. Leitrim aren't very far behind either despite being a much smaller county. There's generally a home/away arrangement for games in Connacht. The exception being London who start off with a home game every year.
Are you factoring in the GAA talking over the 5 million debt of McHale stadium?
There's no harm sticking with the facts.
The loan repayment schedule was altered, which is normal commercial practice but the loan has to be repaid in full. ASFAIK, no part of the loan was written down,
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2019, 03:29:24 PM
QuoteDundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.
Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.
Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.
Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.
Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.
I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football. Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.
I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?
Quote from: dublin7 on September 24, 2019, 11:00:20 AM
Quote from: mup on September 23, 2019, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 23, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
Facts are irrelevant to most on here. If everthing came down to population and money China would be world no 1 in all sports.
It seems being better is now a crime,sin, unfair advantage to everyone else.
Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.
Imagine if all supporters in all sports were like muppets here who decided not to go to games because they think their team won't win. Competitive sport would be finished overnight
You start a thread clearly to stir up the likes of Galway and Mayo fans and then you whinge about them bitching? Heres the thing - don't start sad threads like this if you don't want them bitching.
I followed my county for years and years not thinking they would win. I was more hoping they would win. We don't even have that hope now. I don't even go anymore and that's from someone who travelled to the majority of games. I refuse pay for what is going on .
And it's not Dublin GAA I'm pissed with. I'm pissed with the organisation for losing that hope we had every year. I'm pissed off with the organisation for destroying the sport (especially in Leinster). Maybe if you stood back for minute and imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and see how you would feel then. But I'm sure you don't give a fiddlers about any other county. Once you get your millions and keep winning then all is well.
My point is teams like Sligo, London, Leitrim, Limerick enter the provincal championships every year with no chance of winning it but no seems to have any issues with that. It's all about how dublin have made it so difficult to win an All Ireland!!! Interesting that the only county you don't hear moaning is Kerry.
People constantly crying over Mayo not winning an all Ireland, but at least they have multiple titles Connaght titles/medals to their name. Great players like John Galvin, Matty Forde, Declan Browne don't even have a provincal medal. I'd much rather see structures changed so weaker counties have something tangiable to aim for come the summer and not have their season end at the end of June when it's the best time of year for football.
If you think taking money off Dublin and just throwing money at the weaker counties will work you should go work for the HSE. They are perfect example of how just throwing money at a problem doesn't work.
You don't hear Kerry moaning? I've heard them giving out about the finance imbalance plenty of times.
So are you trying to say that throwing money at Dublin didn't work? Are you saying there is no link to Dublin receiving financial backing and their recent successes? Are you John Horan?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2019, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2019, 03:29:24 PM
QuoteDundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.
Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.
Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.
Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.
Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.
I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football. Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.
I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?
Ah here comes the anti Dub line. And the splitting Kilkenny in two bit.
Maybe if more of you Dubs admitted that the finances that you received from the GAA are part o the reason for your success, the people might not be throwing this out as an option. Kilkenny does not have the population to be split in two. But you know that already because that particular one has been explained umpteen times. You've an excuse here because ostriches tend not to see these things.
QuoteI'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football.
We would all love to have the standards that are set by Dublin. The problem is and the bullshit that is now been floundered by ex players from both Dublin and elsewhere is that it is up to every other county to now reach the standards set by Dublin.
Here is the Dublin 23 strong backroom team from a few years back. This is the standard Dublin have set within their backroom team.
How can amateur counties like Mayo, Galway, Kildare, Cork and the rest consistently compete with this set up? All other counties need the same financial backing as Dublin to have any chance
1. Jim Gavin (manager): Since taking over in 2012, the former Under-21 manager has won three All-Irelands, four Leinster titles and four Allianz Leagues.
2. Brian Doyle (sports administrator): Works with head of high performance Bryan Cullen (not pictured).
3. Ray Boyne (head of performance analysis): On and off, the Ulster Bank employee has been crunching numbers for Dublin teams since 2003.
4. Mick Deegan (selector): Gavin's right-hand man since 2012, he is the manager's voice on the sideline - passing instructions to the players.
5. Jonathan Courtney (backroom team): The former Sarsfields (Kildare) manager is a former colleague of Gavin's in the defence forces.
6. Niall Barry (physio): The chartered physiotherapist has also worked with Leinster Rugby, Cricket Ireland and Clontarf Rugby.
7. Chris Farrell (cameraman): Involved with Gavin's All-Ireland winning Under-21s in 2012, he shoots match footage for analysis.
8. Tony Boylan (logistics): Looks after the transport of all kit and equipment.
9. Davy Byrne (goalkeeping coach): The former Dublin player has the happy task of honing the skills of Stephen Cluxton - who already held the number 1 shirt when Byrne retired in 2002.
10. James Cullen (physio): Working with the Dublin footballers since 2007, he also treats the Irish rugby team having previously been with Leinster for eight years.
11. Shane O'Hanlon (selector): The St Vincent's man is with Gavin since the Under-21 days and has been described by the manager as his 'operations manager'.
12. Jason Sherlock (forwards coach): The former 'Darling of the Hill' was a team-mate of Gavin's and has been working with the attackers for the past two years.
13. Declan Darcy (selector): Famously captained Leitrim to a Connacht title in 1994 before returning to his native Dublin. He and Deegan work mostly with the defenders in training.
14. Jim Gavin senior (backroom team): Provider of fatherly advice to the manager.
15. Bernard Dunne (lifestyle coach): Involved since 2013, the former WBA super bantamweight champion has described his role as "helping Jim in any way I can".
16. David Boylan (logistics): A son of Tony, he assists with the transport of Dublin's matchday equipment.
17. Daniel Davey (nutritionist): Like other members of the backroom team, Davey also works with Leinster Rugby. The former Sligo footballer tells them what to eat and when to eat.
18. Anne-Marie Kennedy (yoga teacher): Involved since 2013, Kennedy helps the players with breathing techniques and their mobility.
19. Mick Seavers (Dublin county board vice-chairman): The Erin's Isle man was elected in 2015.
20. Kieran O'Reilly (physio): Having previously worked with rugby and soccer professionals, O'Reilly is currently also involved with the Irish cricket team.
21. Frank Roebuck (stats): A clubmate of Gavin's at Round Towers, he assists Boyne in analysing the game data gathered.
22. Seamus McCormack (media manager): The former Erin's Isle footballer brings his Air Corps background to bare as he helps control the huge interest in Gavin and his team.
23. Ciaran O'Malley (doctor): Looks after the matchday medical needs of the squad.
http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/32760-who-s-in-mayo-s-backroom-team
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 24, 2019, 03:59:58 PM
Quote from: weareros on September 24, 2019, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 23, 2019, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 23, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.
What disadvantages do they have apart from population? Sligo and Roscommon received more development funding than Mayo over the last 11 years. Leitrim aren't very far behind either despite being a much smaller county. There's generally a home/away arrangement for games in Connacht. The exception being London who start off with a home game every year.
Are you factoring in the GAA talking over the 5 million debt of McHale stadium?
There's no harm sticking with the facts.
The loan repayment schedule was altered, which is normal commercial practice but the loan has to be repaid in full. ASFAIK, no part of the loan was written down,
The new terms still saved Mayo 5 million over the coarse of the loan. That's still financial help. When we got in debt, there was no bailout from HQ for us. Thankfully a local business man helped.
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2019, 05:55:35 PM
QuoteI'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football.
We would all love to have the standards that are set by Dublin. The problem is and the bullshit that is now been floundered by ex players from both Dublin and elsewhere is that it is up to every other county to now reach the standards set by Dublin.
Here is the Dublin 23 strong backroom team from a few years back. This is the standard Dublin have set within their backroom team.
How can amateur counties like Mayo, Galway, Kildare, Cork and the rest consistently compete with this set up? All other counties need the same financial backing as Dublin to have any chance
1. Jim Gavin (manager): Since taking over in 2012, the former Under-21 manager has won three All-Irelands, four Leinster titles and four Allianz Leagues.
2. Brian Doyle (sports administrator): Works with head of high performance Bryan Cullen (not pictured).
3. Ray Boyne (head of performance analysis): On and off, the Ulster Bank employee has been crunching numbers for Dublin teams since 2003.
4. Mick Deegan (selector): Gavin's right-hand man since 2012, he is the manager's voice on the sideline - passing instructions to the players.
5. Jonathan Courtney (backroom team): The former Sarsfields (Kildare) manager is a former colleague of Gavin's in the defence forces.
6. Niall Barry (physio): The chartered physiotherapist has also worked with Leinster Rugby, Cricket Ireland and Clontarf Rugby.
7. Chris Farrell (cameraman): Involved with Gavin's All-Ireland winning Under-21s in 2012, he shoots match footage for analysis.
8. Tony Boylan (logistics): Looks after the transport of all kit and equipment.
9. Davy Byrne (goalkeeping coach): The former Dublin player has the happy task of honing the skills of Stephen Cluxton - who already held the number 1 shirt when Byrne retired in 2002.
10. James Cullen (physio): Working with the Dublin footballers since 2007, he also treats the Irish rugby team having previously been with Leinster for eight years.
11. Shane O'Hanlon (selector): The St Vincent's man is with Gavin since the Under-21 days and has been described by the manager as his 'operations manager'.
12. Jason Sherlock (forwards coach): The former 'Darling of the Hill' was a team-mate of Gavin's and has been working with the attackers for the past two years.
13. Declan Darcy (selector): Famously captained Leitrim to a Connacht title in 1994 before returning to his native Dublin. He and Deegan work mostly with the defenders in training.
14. Jim Gavin senior (backroom team): Provider of fatherly advice to the manager.
15. Bernard Dunne (lifestyle coach): Involved since 2013, the former WBA super bantamweight champion has described his role as "helping Jim in any way I can".
16. David Boylan (logistics): A son of Tony, he assists with the transport of Dublin's matchday equipment.
17. Daniel Davey (nutritionist): Like other members of the backroom team, Davey also works with Leinster Rugby. The former Sligo footballer tells them what to eat and when to eat.
18. Anne-Marie Kennedy (yoga teacher): Involved since 2013, Kennedy helps the players with breathing techniques and their mobility.
19. Mick Seavers (Dublin county board vice-chairman): The Erin's Isle man was elected in 2015.
20. Kieran O'Reilly (physio): Having previously worked with rugby and soccer professionals, O'Reilly is currently also involved with the Irish cricket team.
21. Frank Roebuck (stats): A clubmate of Gavin's at Round Towers, he assists Boyne in analysing the game data gathered.
22. Seamus McCormack (media manager): The former Erin's Isle footballer brings his Air Corps background to bare as he helps control the huge interest in Gavin and his team.
23. Ciaran O'Malley (doctor): Looks after the matchday medical needs of the squad.
http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/32760-who-s-in-mayo-s-backroom-team
So Dublin invented the big backroom? Almost all worked for free. Absolute nonsense.
Quote from: mup on September 24, 2019, 05:19:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2019, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2019, 03:29:24 PM
QuoteDundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.
Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.
Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.
Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.
Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.
I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football. Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.
I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?
Ah here comes the anti Dub line. And the splitting Kilkenny in two bit.
Maybe if more of you Dubs admitted that the finances that you received from the GAA are part o the reason for your success, the people might not be throwing this out as an option. Kilkenny does not have the population to be split in two. But you know that already because that particular one has been explained umpteen times. You've an excuse here because ostriches tend not to see these things.
But numerous counties recieve relatively more money than Dublin, and arent coming from a position of being the counties second and fourth sports.
Its not just about money, if it was your county would simply raise it.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: mup on September 24, 2019, 05:19:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2019, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2019, 03:29:24 PM
QuoteDundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.
Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.
Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.
Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.
Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.
I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football. Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.
I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?
Ah here comes the anti Dub line. And the splitting Kilkenny in two bit.
Maybe if more of you Dubs admitted that the finances that you received from the GAA are part o the reason for your success, the people might not be throwing this out as an option. Kilkenny does not have the population to be split in two. But you know that already because that particular one has been explained umpteen times. You've an excuse here because ostriches tend not to see these things.
But numerous counties recieve relatively more money than Dublin, and arent coming from a position of being the counties second and fourth sports.
Its not just about money, if it was your county would simply raise it.
The money greases the machine
EUR 1.3 m from the GAA
Same again raised by clubs
EUR 1m or so from AIG
Dublin has around 25% of the population of the whole island and the money goes into a team of 15 players.
No other county has that sort of earning power. Why the GAA is exacerbating the problem is the big question.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gate-receipts-and-attendances-for-football-championship-slid-alarmingly-in-2018-despite-the-introduction-of-the-super-8s-37788169.html
1. "On the vexed question of Games Development grants, Dublin continue to secure a lion share of the €9.6m paid out directly to counties.
Dublin received €1.3m – an increase on last year's figure of £1.2m. Meath were the next biggest recipients with €367,400 but Cork – which has more registered GAA teams than any other county – received just €249,000."
"Permitting increased commercial activity has also been strongly to the advantage of bigger counties and especially Dublin, who have secured a number of blue-chip partnerships, including the current one with sports-sponsorship mega-brand AIG"
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: mup on September 24, 2019, 05:19:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2019, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2019, 03:29:24 PM
QuoteDundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.
Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.
Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.
Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.
Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.
I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football. Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.
I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?
Ah here comes the anti Dub line. And the splitting Kilkenny in two bit.
Maybe if more of you Dubs admitted that the finances that you received from the GAA are part o the reason for your success, the people might not be throwing this out as an option. Kilkenny does not have the population to be split in two. But you know that already because that particular one has been explained umpteen times. You've an excuse here because ostriches tend not to see these things.
But numerous counties recieve relatively more money than Dublin, and arent coming from a position of being the counties second and fourth sports.
Its not just about money, if it was your county would simply raise it.
'Simply raise it'. FFS you are unreal. Most counties are doing their damnedest to raise it. Dublin don't have up.
Quote from: mup on September 25, 2019, 08:36:43 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: mup on September 24, 2019, 05:19:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2019, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2019, 03:29:24 PM
QuoteDundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.
Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.
Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.
Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.
Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.
I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football. Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.
I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?
Ah here comes the anti Dub line. And the splitting Kilkenny in two bit.
Maybe if more of you Dubs admitted that the finances that you received from the GAA are part o the reason for your success, the people might not be throwing this out as an option. Kilkenny does not have the population to be split in two. But you know that already because that particular one has been explained umpteen times. You've an excuse here because ostriches tend not to see these things.
But numerous counties recieve relatively more money than Dublin, and arent coming from a position of being the counties second and fourth sports.
Its not just about money, if it was your county would simply raise it.
'Simply raise it'. FFS you are unreal. Most counties are doing their damnedest to raise it. Dublin don't have up.
Dublin player's have to fundraise for their holiday just like other teams. They hold corporate lunches/dinners just like other teams to raise funds. Everyone seems to have this myopic, closed minded view that all money the dubs get from the GAA is going straight to the senior inter county team when it just isn't true.
I assume this point of view means they don't have to accept to simple fact that dublin are just the best team in the country
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2019, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2019, 03:29:24 PM
QuoteDundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.
Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.
Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.
Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.
Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.
I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football. Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.
I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?
I think that's burying your head in the sand though. The reality is that Dublin have by far the largest population. Logically they will have the largest pool of footballers with the potential to step up. In the past they haven't had the structures needed to be able to bring that talent through and develop it. They now have the best structure in the country (Fair play) coupled with the largest talent pool by far. Logic would dictate that they will continually have the best team. It really is as simple as that.
I don't know why the Dubs have such as issue with that. It's not undermining their achievements, which have been fantastic. It's just pointing out that logically they will continually have the best team in the country by a long way most years. And they may lose 1 every 4-5 years but I expect that to be the ratio going forward. And if that is the case, would the Dubs accept that something needs to change for the good of the game? And if so, when would you expect that to happen? if there's 8 in 10 years, or 12 in 15 years? What would be the trigger point for the Dubs to say, Yes there's a problem. because I can't imagine that there will be much appetite for the 8 IAR when most of the rest of the country will have tuned out.
But we don't have the largers playing pool...
I don't think you really get how far behind soccer most of Dublin is on playing numbers
Quote from: dublin7 on September 24, 2019, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 24, 2019, 01:23:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 24, 2019, 11:00:20 AM
Quote from: mup on September 23, 2019, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 23, 2019, 05:51:05 PM
Facts are irrelevant to most on here. If everthing came down to population and money China would be world no 1 in all sports.
It seems being better is now a crime,sin, unfair advantage to everyone else.
Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.
Imagine if all supporters in all sports were like muppets here who decided not to go to games because they think their team won't win. Competitive sport would be finished overnight
You start a thread clearly to stir up the likes of Galway and Mayo fans and then you whinge about them bitching? Heres the thing - don't start sad threads like this if you don't want them bitching.
I followed my county for years and years not thinking they would win. I was more hoping they would win. We don't even have that hope now. I don't even go anymore and that's from someone who travelled to the majority of games. I refuse pay for what is going on .
And it's not Dublin GAA I'm pissed with. I'm pissed with the organisation for losing that hope we had every year. I'm pissed off with the organisation for destroying the sport (especially in Leinster). Maybe if you stood back for minute and imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and see how you would feel then. But I'm sure you don't give a fiddlers about any other county. Once you get your millions and keep winning then all is well.
My point is teams like Sligo, London, Leitrim, Limerick enter the provincal championships every year with no chance of winning it but no seems to have any issues with that. It's all about how dublin have made it so difficult to win an All Ireland!!! Interesting that the only county you don't hear moaning is Kerry.
People constantly crying over Mayo not winning an all Ireland, but at least they have multiple titles Connaght titles/medals to their name. Great players like John Galvin, Matty Forde, Declan Browne don't even have a provincal medal. I'd much rather see structures changed so weaker counties have something tangiable to aim for come the summer and not have their season end at the end of June when it's the best time of year for football.
If you think taking money off Dublin and just throwing money at the weaker counties will work you should go work for the HSE. They are perfect example of how just throwing money at a problem doesn't work.
There are hardly any Kerry posters on this board. Have a look on HoganStand if you want to see them talk about it. As I pointed out in my previous post, those counties don't have any disadvantage in the Connacht/Munster championship bar population.
So investing in Dublin is fine but putting more coaches in the likes of Dundalk, Drogheda, Bray, Sligo and other soccer towns is money down the drain?
If county boards have plans/structures in place for what they would do with capital grants then no problem, but how many county boards would you trust to spend the money wisely?
So what you also saying is that if you're a small county it's tough luck. You have no chance of winning even a provincal title, but that's just life, deal with it. Dublin are better than all the contenders for the All Ireland at the moment but that is somehow a disgrace and GAA shouldit seems be ashamed for allowing this to happen
I read Fermanagh had a plsn
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2019, 11:42:10 AM
But we don't have the largers playing pool...
I don't think you really get how far behind soccer most of Dublin is on playing numbers
Come on. Firstly soccer is played across the country and has an impact everywhere. Plus at the younger age groups, soccer and football aren't exclusive of each other. Secondly other areas have their own issues as well. The North have a issue with 50% of the pop not interested in football at all. That's a bigger % impact that soccer would have in Dublin.
But what I don't get is why are the Dubs so annoyed when this is raised. Are you honestly telling me that if the Dubs win 8 out of 10 AIs the interest in Dublin won't drop? Even winning 5 in 10 would detract from the joy of winning. Would there really be interest in Dublin if they win their 8 IAR when the rest of the country have tuned out? I don't think so.
But that's why I think we have to go through a few years of pain before Dublin actually speak up and say, yes it's a problem and we need to do something. Trying to force it onto Dublin will only cause resentment and push back. But if interest drops away across the rest of the country and the Senior intercounty AI becomes an irrelevance, which it is starting to, then I think even the Dubs will want change. There's no point winning something if your the only one taking it seriously.
Someone mentioned procession earlier in the thread. And you can argue about how close some finals have been, and the replays. But if Dublin start winning 6-8 ever 10 years, which is probable more than possible, then the intercounty competition is going to die.
Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.
Cork has 23,000 and I would suspect 2 to 1 at least are hurling.
Kerry, Donegal and Mayowestros were all around the 8 or 9,000 mark.
Someone posted a page from a Congress report with all the Counties' figures some years ago.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 25, 2019, 09:05:25 AM
Quote from: mup on September 25, 2019, 08:36:43 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: mup on September 24, 2019, 05:19:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 24, 2019, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2019, 03:29:24 PM
QuoteDundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.
Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.
Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.
Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.
Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.
I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football. Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.
I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?
Ah here comes the anti Dub line. And the splitting Kilkenny in two bit.
Maybe if more of you Dubs admitted that the finances that you received from the GAA are part o the reason for your success, the people might not be throwing this out as an option. Kilkenny does not have the population to be split in two. But you know that already because that particular one has been explained umpteen times. You've an excuse here because ostriches tend not to see these things.
But numerous counties recieve relatively more money than Dublin, and arent coming from a position of being the counties second and fourth sports.
Its not just about money, if it was your county would simply raise it.
'Simply raise it'. FFS you are unreal. Most counties are doing their damnedest to raise it. Dublin don't have up.
Dublin player's have to fundraise for their holiday just like other teams. They hold corporate lunches/dinners just like other teams to raise funds. Everyone seems to have this myopic, closed minded view that all money the dubs get from the GAA is going straight to the senior inter county team when it just isn't true.
I assume this point of view means they don't have to accept to simple fact that dublin are just the best team in the country
So there you go again. Changing the goalposts to justify sonething.
Can I ask you to point out where I said the players didnt fund raise for their holidays? Please show me.
Now I might be wrong but are Dublins financial figures not freely available and their fundraising income was miniscule? Am I wrong? If I am I will apologise.
Dublin are constantly fundraising. Friends of Dublin football for instance raises funds on behalf of the team all year round organising golf events/dinners/lunches etc. Where this appears and under what heading in Dublin accounts can only be shown by DCB accountant.
I still cant understand how people are so angry about Dublinn's success and the Leinster championship but no is demanding something be done about the munster championship even though that's been dominated by Kerry/Cork for decades.
In USA if someone is successful they get admiration, respect and the average joe thinks that could be me one day. In Ireland if you're successful it brings out nothing but jealousy and begrudgery with most people hoping to see you fail in the future.
It seems rather than compete with Dublin people want Dublin weakend or they won't go to games anymore like some sort of spoilt child.
At least in years to come when legends like McCaffrey, Fenton and Kilkenny retire people will look back on them and the dublin team and show them some repect for their careers and what they have achieved. Thankfully the real world is unlike twitter/internet were most people actually admire Dublin footballers for what they've done
Quote from: dublin7 on September 25, 2019, 06:47:08 PM
Dublin are constantly fundraising. Friends of Dublin football for instance raises funds on behalf of the team all year round organising golf events/dinners/lunches etc. Where this appears and under what heading in Dublin accounts can only be shown by DCB accountant.
I still cant understand how people are so angry about Dublinn's success and the Leinster championship but no is demanding something be done about the munster championship even though that's been dominated by Kerry/Cork for decades.
In USA if someone is successful they get admiration, respect and the average joe thinks that could be me one day. In Ireland if you're successful it brings out nothing but jealousy and begrudgery with most people hoping to see you fail in the future.
It seems rather than compete with Dublin people want Dublin weakend or they won't go to games anymore like some sort of spoilt child.
At least in years to come when legends like McCaffrey, Fenton and Kilkenny retire people will look back on them and the dublin team and show them some repect for their careers and what they have achieved. Thankfully the real world is unlike twitter/internet were most people actually admire Dublin footballers for what they've done
They're great footballers, the prob is there is also great footballers around the country on various different teams also but that the thing they are all on different teams.
In the interests of making the competition fairness the great footballers either need to be condensed onto 4/5 teams... or the great footballers need to be spread out on different teams.
Luckily there is a solution.... Dublin enter a revived interpros and then divide in 3/4 for the inter county competition
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 25, 2019, 06:56:23 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 25, 2019, 06:47:08 PM
Dublin are constantly fundraising. Friends of Dublin football for instance raises funds on behalf of the team all year round organising golf events/dinners/lunches etc. Where this appears and under what heading in Dublin accounts can only be shown by DCB accountant.
I still cant understand how people are so angry about Dublinn's success and the Leinster championship but no is demanding something be done about the munster championship even though that's been dominated by Kerry/Cork for decades.
In USA if someone is successful they get admiration, respect and the average joe thinks that could be me one day. In Ireland if you're successful it brings out nothing but jealousy and begrudgery with most people hoping to see you fail in the future.
It seems rather than compete with Dublin people want Dublin weakend or they won't go to games anymore like some sort of spoilt child.
At least in years to come when legends like McCaffrey, Fenton and Kilkenny retire people will look back on them and the dublin team and show them some repect for their careers and what they have achieved. Thankfully the real world is unlike twitter/internet were most people actually admire Dublin footballers for what they've done
They're great footballers, the prob is there is also great footballers around the country on various different teams also but that the thing they are all on different teams.
In the interests of making the competition fairness the great footballers either need to be condensed onto 4/5 teams... or the great footballers need to be spread out on different teams.
Luckily there is a solution.... Dublin enter a revived interpros and then divide in 3/4 for the inter county competition
So punish Dublin by handicapping them and risk the Dublin fans jacking it in.
Easier then getting your act together I suppose
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 03:25:06 PM
Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.
Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...
That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2019, 08:15:13 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 25, 2019, 06:56:23 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 25, 2019, 06:47:08 PM
Dublin are constantly fundraising. Friends of Dublin football for instance raises funds on behalf of the team all year round organising golf events/dinners/lunches etc. Where this appears and under what heading in Dublin accounts can only be shown by DCB accountant.
I still cant understand how people are so angry about Dublinn's success and the Leinster championship but no is demanding something be done about the munster championship even though that's been dominated by Kerry/Cork for decades.
In USA if someone is successful they get admiration, respect and the average joe thinks that could be me one day. In Ireland if you're successful it brings out nothing but jealousy and begrudgery with most people hoping to see you fail in the future.
It seems rather than compete with Dublin people want Dublin weakend or they won't go to games anymore like some sort of spoilt child.
At least in years to come when legends like McCaffrey, Fenton and Kilkenny retire people will look back on them and the dublin team and show them some repect for their careers and what they have achieved. Thankfully the real world is unlike twitter/internet were most people actually admire Dublin footballers for what they've done
They're great footballers, the prob is there is also great footballers around the country on various different teams also but that the thing they are all on different teams.
In the interests of making the competition fairness the great footballers either need to be condensed onto 4/5 teams... or the great footballers need to be spread out on different teams.
Luckily there is a solution.... Dublin enter a revived interpros and then divide in 3/4 for the inter county competition
So punish Dublin by handicapping them and risk the Dublin fans jacking it in.
Easier then getting your act together I suppose
No.... Dublin would be at a higher level of competition that the quality of their team deserve so in essence its a reward
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 25, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2019, 08:15:13 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 25, 2019, 06:56:23 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 25, 2019, 06:47:08 PM
Dublin are constantly fundraising. Friends of Dublin football for instance raises funds on behalf of the team all year round organising golf events/dinners/lunches etc. Where this appears and under what heading in Dublin accounts can only be shown by DCB accountant.
I still cant understand how people are so angry about Dublinn's success and the Leinster championship but no is demanding something be done about the munster championship even though that's been dominated by Kerry/Cork for decades.
In USA if someone is successful they get admiration, respect and the average joe thinks that could be me one day. In Ireland if you're successful it brings out nothing but jealousy and begrudgery with most people hoping to see you fail in the future.
It seems rather than compete with Dublin people want Dublin weakend or they won't go to games anymore like some sort of spoilt child.
At least in years to come when legends like McCaffrey, Fenton and Kilkenny retire people will look back on them and the dublin team and show them some repect for their careers and what they have achieved. Thankfully the real world is unlike twitter/internet were most people actually admire Dublin footballers for what they've done
They're great footballers, the prob is there is also great footballers around the country on various different teams also but that the thing they are all on different teams.
In the interests of making the competition fairness the great footballers either need to be condensed onto 4/5 teams... or the great footballers need to be spread out on different teams.
Luckily there is a solution.... Dublin enter a revived interpros and then divide in 3/4 for the inter county competition
So punish Dublin by handicapping them and risk the Dublin fans jacking it in.
Easier then getting your act together I suppose
No.... Dublin would be at a higher level of competition that the quality of their team deserve so in essence its a reward
eh?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 03:25:06 PM
Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.
Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...
That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.
If it includes kids for Dublin, the corresponding figures for other counties will also include kids. Yes you could remove the none Dubs. But it still wouldn't make a dent in the number between Dublin and the next biggest. I don't know why you are persisting with this line of argument. It's just wrong.
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 26, 2019, 08:54:01 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 03:25:06 PM
Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.
Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...
That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.
If it includes kids for Dublin, the corresponding figures for other counties will also include kids. Yes you could remove the none Dubs. But it still wouldn't make a dent in the number between Dublin and the next biggest. I don't know why you are persisting with this line of argument. It's just wrong.
All I am saying is the pool is not as big as you think it is.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 26, 2019, 08:54:01 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 03:25:06 PM
Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.
Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...
That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.
If it includes kids for Dublin, the corresponding figures for other counties will also include kids. Yes you could remove the none Dubs. But it still wouldn't make a dent in the number between Dublin and the next biggest. I don't know why you are persisting with this line of argument. It's just wrong.
All I am saying is the pool is not as big as you think it is.
It's not about the quantity. What counts is the quality. That is where the GAA money comes in.
Quote from: seafoid on September 26, 2019, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 26, 2019, 08:54:01 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 03:25:06 PM
Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.
Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...
That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.
If it includes kids for Dublin, the corresponding figures for other counties will also include kids. Yes you could remove the none Dubs. But it still wouldn't make a dent in the number between Dublin and the next biggest. I don't know why you are persisting with this line of argument. It's just wrong.
All I am saying is the pool is not as big as you think it is.
It's not about the quantity. What counts is the quality. That is where the GAA money comes in.
The GAA money gets gaelic games into areas they were never present in before. If anything it helped hurling more.
Now we hear anecdotal tales of tumbleweed blowing around impovershed Dublin GAA clubs, being peddled as evidence, when all evidenced based acccounts are that Dublin GAA clubs are bursting at the seams and need to expand to cope.
Kilmacud Crokes 4,800 members
Na Fianna 3,000 members, 380 mentors, 125 competitive teams between juvenile and adult ranks
Ballyboden 3000 members 140 teams between juvenile and adult ranks, two full-time coaches.
Cuala 3,000 members
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 03:50:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 26, 2019, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 26, 2019, 08:54:01 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 03:25:06 PM
Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.
Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...
That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.
If it includes kids for Dublin, the corresponding figures for other counties will also include kids. Yes you could remove the none Dubs. But it still wouldn't make a dent in the number between Dublin and the next biggest. I don't know why you are persisting with this line of argument. It's just wrong.
All I am saying is the pool is not as big as you think it is.
It's not about the quantity. What counts is the quality. That is where the GAA money comes in.
The GAA money gets gaelic games into areas they were never present in before. If anything it helped hurling more.
Average age of Dub forwards was 24 this year
The money was used to develop a conveyor belt of talent S&Cd to perfection
That is why the All Ireland is a joke
Quote from: seafoid on September 27, 2019, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 03:50:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 26, 2019, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 26, 2019, 08:54:01 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 03:25:06 PM
Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.
Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...
That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.
If it includes kids for Dublin, the corresponding figures for other counties will also include kids. Yes you could remove the none Dubs. But it still wouldn't make a dent in the number between Dublin and the next biggest. I don't know why you are persisting with this line of argument. It's just wrong.
All I am saying is the pool is not as big as you think it is.
It's not about the quantity. What counts is the quality. That is where the GAA money comes in.
The GAA money gets gaelic games into areas they were never present in before. If anything it helped hurling more.
Average age of Dub forwards was 24 this year
The money was used to develop a conveyor belt of talent S&Cd to perfection
That is why the All Ireland is a joke
Ages of Dublin's forwards that started the All Ireland final replay. 29,26,26,23,25,22 which is an average age of 25. And all of them including sub Costello brought on won U21 All Ireland's so i think it's fair to say that U21 AI success this decade (2010,2012,2014 and 2017) has played a huge part in their 5 in row senior achievement.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 27, 2019, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 27, 2019, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 03:50:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 26, 2019, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 26, 2019, 08:54:01 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 03:25:06 PM
Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.
Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...
That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.
If it includes kids for Dublin, the corresponding figures for other counties will also include kids. Yes you could remove the none Dubs. But it still wouldn't make a dent in the number between Dublin and the next biggest. I don't know why you are persisting with this line of argument. It's just wrong.
All I am saying is the pool is not as big as you think it is.
It's not about the quantity. What counts is the quality. That is where the GAA money comes in.
The GAA money gets gaelic games into areas they were never present in before. If anything it helped hurling more.
Average age of Dub forwards was 24 this year
The money was used to develop a conveyor belt of talent S&Cd to perfection
That is why the All Ireland is a joke
Ages of Dublin's forwards that started the All Ireland final replay. 29,26,26,23,25,22 which is an average age of 25. And all of them including sub Costello brought on won U21 All Ireland's so i think it's fair to say that U21 AI success this decade (2010,2012,2014 and 2017) has played a huge part in their 5 in row senior achievement.
Yeah. So minor success has nothing to do with money, because Dubs never win minor.
But U20 is all about money, because Dubs are quite successful at that level. Except, when someone else wins it, it's nothing to do with money.
Maybe, it's just because we have the best players.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the greatest keeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the hardest working goalkeeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Dean Rock is the best freetaker.
Maybe it's because Mannion and Con are just awesome
Kerry are going to knock us off our perch. But until then, either enjoy our brilliance , or suck it up
5 in a row. Never been done before. You have to hand it to the lads. Hard work.
(https://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/4826262/original/?width=630&version=4826262)
Quote from: Hound on September 28, 2019, 12:04:49 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 27, 2019, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 27, 2019, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 03:50:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 26, 2019, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 26, 2019, 08:54:01 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 03:25:06 PM
Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.
Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...
That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.
If it includes kids for Dublin, the corresponding figures for other counties will also include kids. Yes you could remove the none Dubs. But it still wouldn't make a dent in the number between Dublin and the next biggest. I don't know why you are persisting with this line of argument. It's just wrong.
All I am saying is the pool is not as big as you think it is.
It's not about the quantity. What counts is the quality. That is where the GAA money comes in.
The GAA money gets gaelic games into areas they were never present in before. If anything it helped hurling more.
Average age of Dub forwards was 24 this year
The money was used to develop a conveyor belt of talent S&Cd to perfection
That is why the All Ireland is a joke
Ages of Dublin's forwards that started the All Ireland final replay. 29,26,26,23,25,22 which is an average age of 25. And all of them including sub Costello brought on won U21 All Ireland's so i think it's fair to say that U21 AI success this decade (2010,2012,2014 and 2017) has played a huge part in their 5 in row senior achievement.
Yeah. So minor success has nothing to do with money, because Dubs never win minor.
But U20 is all about money, because Dubs are quite successful at that level. Except, when someone else wins it, it's nothing to do with money.
Maybe, it's just because we have the best players.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the greatest keeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the hardest working goalkeeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Dean Rock is the best freetaker.
Maybe it's because Mannion and Con are just awesome
Kerry are going to knock us off our perch. But until then, either enjoy our brilliance , or suck it up
5 in a row. Never been done before. You have to hand it to the lads. Hard work.
(https://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/4826262/original/?width=630&version=4826262)
Alex Ferguson quote that was referring to league titles won and overtaking Liverpool's record of 18 titles. Going by All Ireland's won Kerry aren't off their perch yet, 38 is the magic number for Dublin to aim for in the years ahead ;)
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 28, 2019, 12:50:01 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 28, 2019, 12:04:49 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 27, 2019, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 27, 2019, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 03:50:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 26, 2019, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 26, 2019, 08:54:01 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 03:25:06 PM
Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.
Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...
That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.
If it includes kids for Dublin, the corresponding figures for other counties will also include kids. Yes you could remove the none Dubs. But it still wouldn't make a dent in the number between Dublin and the next biggest. I don't know why you are persisting with this line of argument. It's just wrong.
All I am saying is the pool is not as big as you think it is.
It's not about the quantity. What counts is the quality. That is where the GAA money comes in.
The GAA money gets gaelic games into areas they were never present in before. If anything it helped hurling more.
Average age of Dub forwards was 24 this year
The money was used to develop a conveyor belt of talent S&Cd to perfection
That is why the All Ireland is a joke
Ages of Dublin's forwards that started the All Ireland final replay. 29,26,26,23,25,22 which is an average age of 25. And all of them including sub Costello brought on won U21 All Ireland's so i think it's fair to say that U21 AI success this decade (2010,2012,2014 and 2017) has played a huge part in their 5 in row senior achievement.
Yeah. So minor success has nothing to do with money, because Dubs never win minor.
But U20 is all about money, because Dubs are quite successful at that level. Except, when someone else wins it, it's nothing to do with money.
Maybe, it's just because we have the best players.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the greatest keeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the hardest working goalkeeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Dean Rock is the best freetaker.
Maybe it's because Mannion and Con are just awesome
Kerry are going to knock us off our perch. But until then, either enjoy our brilliance , or suck it up
5 in a row. Never been done before. You have to hand it to the lads. Hard work.
(https://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/4826262/original/?width=630&version=4826262)
Alex Ferguson quote that was referring to league titles won and overtaking Liverpool's record of 18 titles. Going by All Ireland's won Kerry aren't off their perch yet, 38 is the magic number for Dublin to aim for in the years ahead ;)
That quote was to do with the fact that Liverpool were the best team about and dominating, not just related to league titles . A bit like Dublin now.
Quote from: Main Street on September 27, 2019, 01:21:28 PM
Now we hear anecdotal tales of tumbleweed blowing around impovershed Dublin GAA clubs, being peddled as evidence, when all evidenced based acccounts are that Dublin GAA clubs are bursting at the seams and need to expand to cope.
Kilmacud Crokes 4,800 members
Na Fianna 3,000 members, 380 mentors, 125 competitive teams between juvenile and adult ranks
Ballyboden 3000 members 140 teams between juvenile and adult ranks, two full-time coaches.
Cuala 3,000 members
They're mental numbers but they are hardly a stick to beat Dublin with and belittle their success
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 28, 2019, 07:28:40 AM
Quote from: Main Street on September 27, 2019, 01:21:28 PM
Now we hear anecdotal tales of tumbleweed blowing around impovershed Dublin GAA clubs, being peddled as evidence, when all evidenced based acccounts are that Dublin GAA clubs are bursting at the seams and need to expand to cope.
Kilmacud Crokes 4,800 members
Na Fianna 3,000 members, 380 mentors, 125 competitive teams between juvenile and adult ranks
Ballyboden 3000 members 140 teams between juvenile and adult ranks, two full-time coaches.
Cuala 3,000 members
They're mental numbers but they are hardly a stick to beat Dublin with and belittle their success
They are evidence that Dublin needs more clubs and that the number of clubs is not a justification for Dublin having the population of a province.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 28, 2019, 04:45:51 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 28, 2019, 07:28:40 AM
Quote from: Main Street on September 27, 2019, 01:21:28 PM
Now we hear anecdotal tales of tumbleweed blowing around impovershed Dublin GAA clubs, being peddled as evidence, when all evidenced based acccounts are that Dublin GAA clubs are bursting at the seams and need to expand to cope.
Kilmacud Crokes 4,800 members
Na Fianna 3,000 members, 380 mentors, 125 competitive teams between juvenile and adult ranks
Ballyboden 3000 members 140 teams between juvenile and adult ranks, two full-time coaches.
Cuala 3,000 members
They're mental numbers but they are hardly a stick to beat Dublin with and belittle their success
They are evidence that Dublin needs more clubs and that the number of clubs is not a justification for Dublin having the population of a province.
You are right and saying that in no way belittles their success. But Dublin will bring the GAA to its knees if things continue the way there are now. Dublin's population at present is more than the combined total of 16 other counties in the republic. That's close on one third of the population of the state and yet it has only one county board. No wonder the drop out rate at club level is shocking.
Young players dropping out is nothing new and happens everywhere but nowhere nearly as much as happens in Dublin.
The principal reason for this is the lack of places on club teams as players grow older and the number of places on club sides decreases.
The chairman of Na Fianna stated that his club has about 2,000 kids involved u at weekend and I don't doubt his word. How many of these will still be around to play senior football in 8 or 10 years time?
What percentage is likely to be still involved at u17 level, never mind at any of the older grades?
You don't need a crystal ball to see trouble looming u ahead.
Quote from: Hound on September 28, 2019, 12:04:49 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 27, 2019, 08:34:20 PM
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 03:50:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 26, 2019, 03:33:42 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: supersarsfields on September 26, 2019, 08:54:01 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 25, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2019, 03:25:06 PM
Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.
Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...
That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.
If it includes kids for Dublin, the corresponding figures for other counties will also include kids. Yes you could remove the none Dubs. But it still wouldn't make a dent in the number between Dublin and the next biggest. I don't know why you are persisting with this line of argument. It's just wrong.
All I am saying is the pool is not as big as you think it is.
It's not about the quantity. What counts is the quality. That is where the GAA money comes in.
The GAA money gets gaelic games into areas they were never present in before. If anything it helped hurling more.
Average age of Dub forwards was 24 this year
The money was used to develop a conveyor belt of talent S&Cd to perfection
That is why the All Ireland is a joke
Ages of Dublin's forwards that started the All Ireland final replay. 29,26,26,23,25,22 which is an average age of 25. And all of them including sub Costello brought on won U21 All Ireland's so i think it's fair to say that U21 AI success this decade (2010,2012,2014 and 2017) has played a huge part in their 5 in row senior achievement.
Yeah. So minor success has nothing to do with money, because Dubs never win minor.
But U20 is all about money, because Dubs are quite successful at that level. Except, when someone else wins it, it's nothing to do with money.
Maybe, it's just because we have the best players.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the greatest keeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the hardest working goalkeeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Dean Rock is the best freetaker.
Maybe it's because Mannion and Con are just awesome
Kerry are going to knock us off our perch. But until then, either enjoy our brilliance , or suck it up
5 in a row. Never been done before. You have to hand it to the lads. Hard work.
(https://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/4826262/original/?width=630&version=4826262)
++ 1
Well said Hound!!
Congrats to Slaughtneil , 7 hurling titles in a row.
Congrats to Portlaoise, their 13th final in a row.I think winning 11 of them.
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:51:19 AM
Congrats to Slaughtneil , 7 hurling titles in a row.
Congrats to Portlaoise, their 13th final in a row.I think winning 11 of them.
LMFAO is that in someway legitimising the professional Dublin team. ;D ;D
Quote from: t_mac on October 01, 2019, 09:16:33 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:51:19 AM
Congrats to Slaughtneil , 7 hurling titles in a row.
Congrats to Portlaoise, their 13th final in a row.I think winning 11 of them.
LMFAO is that in someway legitimising the professional Dublin team. ;D ;D
What proffessional Dublin team? i dont know any team that is proffessional in ireland, maybe the teams that have million Euro centre of excellences built for them where they chill out all day sitting in Jacuzzis and playing pool.
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:51:19 AM
Congrats to Slaughtneil , 7 hurling titles in a row.
Congrats to Portlaoise, their 13th final in a row.I think winning 11 of them.
Yeah imagine that, Portlaoise, the only club in the largest town in Laois by a country mile, with playing and financial resources that no other club in the county can match. Oh look and they get to play all their championship games in that "Neutral venue" O'Moore Park in Portlaoise too, how convenient.
Quote from: Hound on September 28, 2019, 12:04:49 AM
Yeah. So minor success has nothing to do with money, because Dubs never win minor.
But U20 is all about money, because Dubs are quite successful at that level. Except, when someone else wins it, it's nothing to do with money.
Maybe, it's just because we have the best players.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the greatest keeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the hardest working goalkeeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Dean Rock is the best freetaker.
Maybe it's because Mannion and Con are just awesome
Kerry are going to knock us off our perch. But until then, either enjoy our brilliance , or suck it up
5 in a row. Never been done before. You have to hand it to the lads. Hard work.
This fella still spouting absolute sh1te. Dublin GAA have won about 110 Leinster, All Ireland and National league titles in women's football, men's football and hurling and men's underage football and hurling since 2001. They won 29 titles in the 18 years prior to this. This huge increase occured at the same time millions of euros was pumped into Dublin GAA. This is the reason for the increase. Don't believe the bullsh1t from fellas like this and others like the president of the GAA.
Quote from: priceyreilly on October 01, 2019, 01:04:48 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 28, 2019, 12:04:49 AM
Yeah. So minor success has nothing to do with money, because Dubs never win minor.
But U20 is all about money, because Dubs are quite successful at that level. Except, when someone else wins it, it's nothing to do with money.
Maybe, it's just because we have the best players.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the greatest keeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the hardest working goalkeeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Dean Rock is the best freetaker.
Maybe it's because Mannion and Con are just awesome
Kerry are going to knock us off our perch. But until then, either enjoy our brilliance , or suck it up
5 in a row. Never been done before. You have to hand it to the lads. Hard work.
This fella still spouting absolute sh1te. Dublin GAA have won about 110 Leinster, All Ireland and National league titles in women's football, men's football and hurling and men's underage football and hurling since 2001. They won 29 titles in the 18 years prior to this. This huge increase occured at the same time millions of euros was pumped into Dublin GAA. This is the reason for the increase. Don't believe the bullsh1t from fellas like this and others like the president of the GAA.
Pot, kettle, black. There have been many factors in dublin's improvement (including the points above) and success but unfortunately you refuse to acknowledge any of them and insist that funding for underage participation is the key to it all.
Are you not buzzin for the half dozen??
Quote from: dublin7 on October 01, 2019, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on October 01, 2019, 01:04:48 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 28, 2019, 12:04:49 AM
Yeah. So minor success has nothing to do with money, because Dubs never win minor.
But U20 is all about money, because Dubs are quite successful at that level. Except, when someone else wins it, it's nothing to do with money.
Maybe, it's just because we have the best players.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the greatest keeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the hardest working goalkeeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Dean Rock is the best freetaker.
Maybe it's because Mannion and Con are just awesome
Kerry are going to knock us off our perch. But until then, either enjoy our brilliance , or suck it up
5 in a row. Never been done before. You have to hand it to the lads. Hard work.
This fella still spouting absolute sh1te. Dublin GAA have won about 110 Leinster, All Ireland and National league titles in women's football, men's football and hurling and men's underage football and hurling since 2001. They won 29 titles in the 18 years prior to this. This huge increase occured at the same time millions of euros was pumped into Dublin GAA. This is the reason for the increase. Don't believe the bullsh1t from fellas like this and others like the president of the GAA.
Pot, kettle, black. There have been many factors in dublin's improvement (including the points above) and success but unfortunately you refuse to acknowledge any of them and insist that funding for underage participation is the key to it all.
Are you not buzzin for the half dozen??
Damn straight I'm buzzin. The Dublin senior footballers are the key to bringing the house down. I've got some images for you to show why there is and always will be an asterisk beside all the tiles:
(https://i.imgur.com/gpb1CyJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ys1YJo7.jpg)
Correlation is not causation.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 01, 2019, 03:02:44 PM
Correlation is not causation.
In soccer, Manchester City were a mid table premier league team at best. They hadn't won any top level titles since 1976. In the naughties, they got a serious amount of money invested. Standards started to increase and they've won 10 top level titles since then. A dramatic improvement at the same time as huge resources came available to them.
"Correlation is not causation."
Oh right then, that explains that. Nothing to do with money.
(https://www.animatedimages.org/data/media/1309/animated-laughing-image-0032.gif) (https://www.animatedimages.org/cat-laughing-1309.htm)
Quote from: priceyreilly on October 01, 2019, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 01, 2019, 03:02:44 PM
Correlation is not causation.
In soccer, Manchester City were a mid table premier league team at best. They hadn't won any top level titles since 1976. In the naughties, they got a serious amount of money invested. Standards started to increase and they've won 10 top level titles since then. A dramatic improvement at the same time as huge resources came available to them.
"Correlation is not causation."
Oh right then, that explains that. Nothing to do with money.
(https://www.animatedimages.org/data/media/1309/animated-laughing-image-0032.gif) (https://www.animatedimages.org/cat-laughing-1309.htm)
You don't seem to understand what I typed.
Quote from: priceyreilly on October 01, 2019, 02:53:14 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 01, 2019, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on October 01, 2019, 01:04:48 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 28, 2019, 12:04:49 AM
Yeah. So minor success has nothing to do with money, because Dubs never win minor.
But U20 is all about money, because Dubs are quite successful at that level. Except, when someone else wins it, it's nothing to do with money.
Maybe, it's just because we have the best players.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the greatest keeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the hardest working goalkeeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Dean Rock is the best freetaker.
Maybe it's because Mannion and Con are just awesome
Kerry are going to knock us off our perch. But until then, either enjoy our brilliance , or suck it up
5 in a row. Never been done before. You have to hand it to the lads. Hard work.
This fella still spouting absolute sh1te. Dublin GAA have won about 110 Leinster, All Ireland and National league titles in women's football, men's football and hurling and men's underage football and hurling since 2001. They won 29 titles in the 18 years prior to this. This huge increase occured at the same time millions of euros was pumped into Dublin GAA. This is the reason for the increase. Don't believe the bullsh1t from fellas like this and others like the president of the GAA.
Pot, kettle, black. There have been many factors in dublin's improvement (including the points above) and success but unfortunately you refuse to acknowledge any of them and insist that funding for underage participation is the key to it all.
Are you not buzzin for the half dozen??
Damn straight I'm buzzin. The Dublin senior footballers are the key to bringing the house down. I've got some images for you to show why there is and always will be an asterisk beside all the tiles:
(https://i.imgur.com/gpb1CyJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ys1YJo7.jpg)
Sorry to be a stickler for detail but you left a whopping 67.5 million out of your Games Development Funding graph, as most of the funding is distributed via Provincial Councils to the counties. I think most people are aware of this but some people choose to ignore it for some reason.
(https://imgur.com/izMTaJr.jpg)
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 01, 2019, 05:09:37 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on October 01, 2019, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 01, 2019, 03:02:44 PM
Correlation is not causation.
In soccer, Manchester City were a mid table premier league team at best. They hadn't won any top level titles since 1976. In the naughties, they got a serious amount of money invested. Standards started to increase and they've won 10 top level titles since then. A dramatic improvement at the same time as huge resources came available to them.
"Correlation is not causation."
Oh right then, that explains that. Nothing to do with money.
(https://www.animatedimages.org/data/media/1309/animated-laughing-image-0032.gif) (https://www.animatedimages.org/cat-laughing-1309.htm)
You don't seem to understand what I typed.
Explain how Man City improved? Stick that in your pipe.
Quote from: Falcao on October 01, 2019, 05:12:08 PM
Sorry to be a stickler for detail but you left a whopping 67.5 million out of your Games Development Funding graph, as most of the funding is distributed via Provincial Councils to the counties. I think most people are aware of this but some people choose to ignore it for some reason.
(https://imgur.com/izMTaJr.jpg)
First of all, Dublin is not a province, so even your graph makes it look bad for Dublin GAA. Secondly, the same thing, Dublin is not a province, they are in Leinster and get their cut from the Leinster Council! This doesn't help those defending the doping in any way. Better luck next time. ;D
As per the thread title, I'd go with Ewan MacKenna, Tommy Keegan, PriceyRiley, DONTMATTER, have I missed one or seven maybe? Some man for the accounts!!!!!!
Quote from: dublin7 on October 01, 2019, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on October 01, 2019, 01:04:48 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 28, 2019, 12:04:49 AM
Yeah. So minor success has nothing to do with money, because Dubs never win minor.
But U20 is all about money, because Dubs are quite successful at that level. Except, when someone else wins it, it's nothing to do with money.
Maybe, it's just because we have the best players.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the greatest keeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Stephen Cluxton is the hardest working goalkeeper of all time.
Maybe it's because Dean Rock is the best freetaker.
Maybe it's because Mannion and Con are just awesome
Kerry are going to knock us off our perch. But until then, either enjoy our brilliance , or suck it up
5 in a row. Never been done before. You have to hand it to the lads. Hard work.
This fella still spouting absolute sh1te. Dublin GAA have won about 110 Leinster, All Ireland and National league titles in women's football, men's football and hurling and men's underage football and hurling since 2001. They won 29 titles in the 18 years prior to this. This huge increase occured at the same time millions of euros was pumped into Dublin GAA. This is the reason for the increase. Don't believe the bullsh1t from fellas like this and others like the president of the GAA.
Pot, kettle, black. There have been many factors in dublin's improvement (including the points above) and success but unfortunately you refuse to acknowledge any of them and insist that funding for underage participation is the key to it all.
Are you not buzzin for the half dozen??
IMO, Dublin can't be faulted for being as successful as they are now and most likely will continue for as long as the GAA persist with the present county model.
The Dubs are only doing what any other county would do if only they had the opportunity to do so. Most definitely, the hard behind the scenes work by volunteers, the natural skills of the players and anything else one can think of, and not only money, are vital to Dublin's dominance.
But it would be disingenuous to pretend that everything can be put down to the above and that money, a vast player pool and the lack of hassle and expense in getting players together for training and whatever don't enter the picture.
Personally, I'm not concerned by the cause of Dublin sweeping all before them, the end result of it all does worry me a lot.
A case of cause and effect, the cause doesn't matter but the effect certainly does.
For instance, Dublin has won 14 out of the last 15 Leinster championships. (I can't recall the exact figures but this serves my purpose.)
What's the point in saying that the other counties involved should raise their standards in order to compete with a county with a population equal to that of the other eleven combined?
Meath and Kildare might go closer than any of the others but they still couldn't compare as equals.
There is no point in blaming Dublin for the rest of the country not being able to keep up with them but it's a fact of life that they can't and no amount of bitching and moaning from either side here will fix that.
Quote from: Arielatom on October 01, 2019, 07:09:49 PM
As per the thread title, I'd go with Ewan MacKenna, Tommy Keegan, PriceyRiley, DONTMATTER, have I missed one or seven maybe? Some man for the accounts!!!!!!
True, the Mayo contingent also on this forum, its hilarious.
Dublin Hate is nothing new though, its just increased due to Dublin winning and makes winning all that sweeter.
How do dubs think think will look in 2 years' time?
so far it has been possible to cover up the scam under business as usual with "what a wonderful five in a row" to round off the first 5 years to total system dominance
From now on the game changes.
Will pundits bother trying to make big matches sound interesting next year and beyond?
How will fans react to 6 and 7 in a row ?
Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2019, 11:15:01 AM
How do dubs think think will look in 2 years' time?
so far it has been possible to cover up the scam under business as usual with "what a wonderful five in a row" to round off the first 5 years to total system dominance
From now on the game changes.
Will pundits bother trying to make big matches sound interesting next year and beyond?
How will fans react to 6 and 7 in a row ?
The real world isn't like this MB. All the rubbish posted here about dublin's professional players/financial doping is an issue for some, but the majority of joe public don't obsess about it like most on here.
I think Kerry will win an All Ireland in the next few years and I think you'll have some epic games between both sides. I also think the football championship will be more entertaining overall as managers (with the odd exception) have finally realsied that the blanket defence doesn't work anymore and attacking football is now the way to go.
I'd expect other counties like Cork, Kildare and Galway to improve and challenge as well. Paddy Power has Dublin odds on for 8 in a row. Wouldn't go near that.
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 02, 2019, 10:57:06 AM
Quote from: Arielatom on October 01, 2019, 07:09:49 PM
As per the thread title, I'd go with Ewan MacKenna, Tommy Keegan, PriceyRiley, DONTMATTER, have I missed one or seven maybe? Some man for the accounts!!!!!!
True, the Mayo contingent also on this forum, its hilarious.
Dublin Hate is nothing new though, its just increased due to Dublin winning and makes winning all that sweeter.
Go on. We're not all from the bunker you know.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 02, 2019, 01:32:53 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 02, 2019, 10:57:06 AM
Quote from: Arielatom on October 01, 2019, 07:09:49 PM
As per the thread title, I'd go with Ewan MacKenna, Tommy Keegan, PriceyRiley, DONTMATTER, have I missed one or seven maybe? Some man for the accounts!!!!!!
True, the Mayo contingent also on this forum, its hilarious.
Dublin Hate is nothing new though, its just increased due to Dublin winning and makes winning all that sweeter.
Go on. We're not all from the bunker you know.
You are ok to be fair.
Quote from: dublin7 on October 02, 2019, 12:55:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2019, 11:15:01 AM
How do dubs think think will look in 2 years' time?
so far it has been possible to cover up the scam under business as usual with "what a wonderful five in a row" to round off the first 5 years to total system dominance
From now on the game changes.
Will pundits bother trying to make big matches sound interesting next year and beyond?
How will fans react to 6 and 7 in a row ?
The real world isn't like this MB. All the rubbish posted here about dublin's professional players/financial doping is an issue for some, but the majority of joe public don't obsess about it like most on here.
I think Kerry will win an All Ireland in the next few years and I think you'll have some epic games between both sides. I also think the football championship will be more entertaining overall as managers (with the odd exception) have finally realsied that the blanket defence doesn't work anymore and attacking football is now the way to go.
I'd expect other counties like Cork, Kildare and Galway to improve and challenge as well. Paddy Power has Dublin odds on for 8 in a row. Wouldn't go near that.
You NEED that to happen
But it probably won't
...unless the Dubs lose tactically next year before starting another 5 in a row, starting in 2021, just to make it look better
Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2019, 01:56:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 02, 2019, 12:55:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2019, 11:15:01 AM
How do dubs think think will look in 2 years' time?
so far it has been possible to cover up the scam under business as usual with "what a wonderful five in a row" to round off the first 5 years to total system dominance
From now on the game changes.
Will pundits bother trying to make big matches sound interesting next year and beyond?
How will fans react to 6 and 7 in a row ?
The real world isn't like this MB. All the rubbish posted here about dublin's professional players/financial doping is an issue for some, but the majority of joe public don't obsess about it like most on here.
I think Kerry will win an All Ireland in the next few years and I think you'll have some epic games between both sides. I also think the football championship will be more entertaining overall as managers (with the odd exception) have finally realsied that the blanket defence doesn't work anymore and attacking football is now the way to go.
I'd expect other counties like Cork, Kildare and Galway to improve and challenge as well. Paddy Power has Dublin odds on for 8 in a row. Wouldn't go near that.
You NEED that to happen
But it probably won't
...unless the Dubs lose tactically next year before starting another 5 in a row, starting in 2021, just to make it look better
Frankly this is Dublin's greatest ever era. Worrying about the dubs dominating the 2021 football championship (2 years before a ball is even thrown) in is a new one to blame on the dubs!! ;D ;D ;D
Just want to bump this thread up, still my favourite of all time on this forum, it equates to blissful happiness.
There is even graphs and diagrams, crying and moaning, a great thread guys, keep it going, i have shared it with all my mates to look in too.
if only posters were so passionate about their own counties.... :D
By how outraged the Dubs get over this topic, it's obvious how much it affects them. If it ever gets brought up on radio or tv, the number of texts and phone calls from angry Dubs is off the charts. It hurts them because they know it's true. They were becoming a mid ranked Leinster county and they couldn't take it. They went begging to Bertie and the millions started pouring in. They couldn't win fairly so they decided to cheat. This is what really gets to the Dubs, how they wish they'd started winning through legitimate means. But now they can't get over the fact that financial doping is the reason, they know it, we know it, everyone knows it. It will never go away either. Whenever people talk about Michelle Smith and her Olympic medals, the doping topic comes up. Whenever people talk about Lance Armstrong and his Tour De France victories, the doping topic comes up. Whenever people talk about Dublin and their 5 in a row, the doping topic comes up.
Quote from: priceyreilly on October 03, 2019, 10:27:29 AM
By how outraged the Dubs get over this topic, it's obvious how much it affects them. If it ever gets brought up on radio or tv, the number of texts and phone calls from angry Dubs is off the charts. It hurts them because they know it's true. They were becoming a mid ranked Leinster county and they couldn't take it. They went begging to Bertie and the millions started pouring in. They couldn't win fairly so they decided to cheat. This is what really gets to the Dubs, how they wish they'd started winning through legitimate means. But now they can't get over the fact that financial doping is the reason, they know it, we know it, everyone knows it. It will never go away either. Whenever people talk about Michelle Smith and her Olympic medals, the doping topic comes up. Whenever people talk about Lance Armstrong and his Tour De France victories, the doping topic comes up. Whenever people talk about Dublin and their 5 in a row, the doping topic comes up.
You should print this post out, frame it and put it up on a wall somewhere in your house where you can see it everyday. It's like your mission statement. (No graphs this time, which is not like you)
Quote from: priceyreilly on October 03, 2019, 10:27:29 AM
Whenever people talk about Dublin and their 5 in a row, the doping topic comes up.
The sad thing is I think you believe that
Close the thread. Enjoy your success. Mayo will win it and we'll all be smiling down from above whenever they do, well apart from the losing team.
Quote from: dublin7 on October 02, 2019, 04:33:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2019, 01:56:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 02, 2019, 12:55:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2019, 11:15:01 AM
How do dubs think think will look in 2 years' time?
so far it has been possible to cover up the scam under business as usual with "what a wonderful five in a row" to round off the first 5 years to total system dominance
From now on the game changes.
Will pundits bother trying to make big matches sound interesting next year and beyond?
How will fans react to 6 and 7 in a row ?
The real world isn't like this MB. All the rubbish posted here about dublin's professional players/financial doping is an issue for some, but the majority of joe public don't obsess about it like most on here.
I think Kerry will win an All Ireland in the next few years and I think you'll have some epic games between both sides. I also think the football championship will be more entertaining overall as managers (with the odd exception) have finally realsied that the blanket defence doesn't work anymore and attacking football is now the way to go.
I'd expect other counties like Cork, Kildare and Galway to improve and challenge as well. Paddy Power has Dublin odds on for 8 in a row. Wouldn't go near that.
You NEED that to happen
But it probably won't
...unless the Dubs lose tactically next year before starting another 5 in a row, starting in 2021, just to make it look better
Frankly this is Dublin's greatest ever era. Worrying about the dubs dominating the 2021 football championship (2 years before a ball is even thrown) in is a new one to blame on the dubs!! ;D ;D ;D
In order for the incumbent to be beaten by say 2021 typically 2 things need to happen
1. The Dubs decline. The rugby team are in decline after a period of success but there is no sign of the dubs fading given the supply of new players
2. A challenger emerges. Kerry are still a long way off. Who else is supposed to compete ?
Quote from: seafoid on October 04, 2019, 01:25:12 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 02, 2019, 04:33:41 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2019, 01:56:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 02, 2019, 12:55:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2019, 11:15:01 AM
How do dubs think think will look in 2 years' time?
so far it has been possible to cover up the scam under business as usual with "what a wonderful five in a row" to round off the first 5 years to total system dominance
From now on the game changes.
Will pundits bother trying to make big matches sound interesting next year and beyond?
How will fans react to 6 and 7 in a row ?
The real world isn't like this MB. All the rubbish posted here about dublin's professional players/financial doping is an issue for some, but the majority of joe public don't obsess about it like most on here.
I think Kerry will win an All Ireland in the next few years and I think you'll have some epic games between both sides. I also think the football championship will be more entertaining overall as managers (with the odd exception) have finally realsied that the blanket defence doesn't work anymore and attacking football is now the way to go.
I'd expect other counties like Cork, Kildare and Galway to improve and challenge as well. Paddy Power has Dublin odds on for 8 in a row. Wouldn't go near that.
You NEED that to happen
But it probably won't
...unless the Dubs lose tactically next year before starting another 5 in a row, starting in 2021, just to make it look better
Frankly this is Dublin's greatest ever era. Worrying about the dubs dominating the 2021 football championship (2 years before a ball is even thrown) in is a new one to blame on the dubs!! ;D ;D ;D
In order for the incumbent to be beaten by say 2021 typically 2 things need to happen
1. The Dubs decline. The rugby team are in decline after a period of success but there is no sign of the dubs fading given the supply of new players
2. A challenger emerges. Kerry are still a long way off. Who else is supposed to compete ?
Tyrone - always kick of the season with silverware - expect them to win the lot this year.
Tyrone are shit, themselves and Donegal are just a little bit less shit than the other Ulster teams.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 03, 2019, 04:11:58 PM
Mayo will win it and we'll all be smiling down from above whenever they do, well apart from the losing team.
Only as part of North Connacht beating Fingal in the Final.
Losing semi finalists West Munster and South Ulster.
Just want to Bump this up, a great topic with great input...
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-football-championship-a-lame-duck-says-former-longford-boss-1.4043069
"Leinster has become a lame duck," he said.
"It doesn't seem to exist anymore as a provincial championship and you'd wonder how long more we can keep going with it. Apathy has set in. "
Quote from: seafoid on October 08, 2019, 09:38:22 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/leinster-football-championship-a-lame-duck-says-former-longford-boss-1.4043069
"Leinster has become a lame duck," he said.
"It doesn't seem to exist anymore as a provincial championship and you'd wonder how long more we can keep going with it. Apathy has set in. "
We could probably do a deal with Boris to swap Leinster for the occupied 6. Meath etc could start playing cricket instead of GAA..