Super 8 Dark Horses

Farrandeelin · June 01, 2018, 01:31:40 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on May 31, 2018, 11:05:09 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 31, 2018, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on May 30, 2018, 07:24:53 PM

Quote from: Ball Hopper on May 29, 2018, 04:50:59 AM

Also note any contest requiring a free-taking contest to decide a qualifier round winner will have the frees taken from 33 metres out.

Is that correct? Was initially announced as 45m. Pretty sure there was an O'Byrne Cup match that went to Frees and it was from 45m.

Maybe it has been changed.

http://www.gaa.ie/sportteller-content/stories/1/1/da3cc421-de34-4bdf-acdf-8588f1e77048/index.html#Slide_5

Cheers!

The other change in that to what was originally advertised re the Super 8s is that the provincial champions were originally down to have their away game in Match 3. But that says it's Match 2.

Hopefully that's reliable, as it's definitely better. ~~A couple~~ Oneof the Mayo lads have been banging on that there's no way Dublin will play any Super 8 game outside Croke Park, unless perhaps it's a dead rubber. Whereas this would mean a trip to Pairc Ui Chaoimh or Killarney for the Dubs in Match 2, when clearly everything will still be up in the air (or against whoever might beat the Munster runners up in Round 4 of the qualifiers).

Fixed that! I'm the only one that said that. Good to see it if it happens. Ye still will get two games at home! Unlike all the rest and ye still will have home games for the Semi final and final!
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They're not there yet.

From the Bunker · June 03, 2018, 01:16:14 AM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 01, 2018, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 31, 2018, 11:05:09 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 31, 2018, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on May 30, 2018, 07:24:53 PM

Quote from: Ball Hopper on May 29, 2018, 04:50:59 AM

Also note any contest requiring a free-taking contest to decide a qualifier round winner will have the frees taken from 33 metres out.

Is that correct? Was initially announced as 45m. Pretty sure there was an O'Byrne Cup match that went to Frees and it was from 45m.

Maybe it has been changed.

http://www.gaa.ie/sportteller-content/stories/1/1/da3cc421-de34-4bdf-acdf-8588f1e77048/index.html#Slide_5

Cheers!

The other change in that to what was originally advertised re the Super 8s is that the provincial champions were originally down to have their away game in Match 3. But that says it's Match 2.

Hopefully that's reliable, as it's definitely better. ~~A couple~~ Oneof the Mayo lads have been banging on that there's no way Dublin will play any Super 8 game outside Croke Park, unless perhaps it's a dead rubber. Whereas this would mean a trip to Pairc Ui Chaoimh or Killarney for the Dubs in Match 2, when clearly everything will still be up in the air (or against whoever might beat the Munster runners up in Round 4 of the qualifiers).

Fixed that! I'm the only one that said that. Good to see it if it happens. Ye still will get two games at home! Unlike all the rest and ye still will have home games for the Semi final and final!

They're not there yet.
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I very much think Dublin are! (if you are talking about Dublin!)

armaghniac · June 03, 2018, 03:43:29 PM

Fermanagh only need to win one game in two now.

donelli · June 06, 2018, 11:43:47 AM

Quote from: armaghniac on June 03, 2018, 03:43:29 PM
Fermanagh only need to win one game in two now.

And theyll win neither

westbound · June 06, 2018, 12:21:38 PM

Quote from: donelli on June 06, 2018, 11:43:47 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 03, 2018, 03:43:29 PM
Fermanagh only need to win one game in two now.

And theyll win neither

Even if Fermanagh lose the Ulster final. They could beat a lot of teams in the qualifers.
The qualifer draws will have a huge bearing on who makes the quarter finals.

If Tyrone, monaghan and mayo avoid each other in the R2 & R3 qualifers then the losing provincial finalists will all be trying to avoid those three. Also, every R3 winner will be looking to the leinster runner up (or Fermanagh) as the weakest team in R4 and therefore the one to get. R3 winners will certainly want to avoid Ros/Galway and Kerry/Cork.

yellowcard · June 06, 2018, 02:37:33 PM

The 4 beaten provincial finalists at this stage look most likely to be Carlow/Laois, Fermanagh, Cork & Roscommon. All of the teams coming through the qualifiers will be fancied to beat any of these sides with the possible exception of Roscommon depending on the draw. So a lot still depends on the draw and whether the division 1 teams who were already knocked out can avoid each other. If they all avoid each other they would still be expected to arrive in the super 8's.

Rossfan · June 06, 2018, 03:04:26 PM

So your expected last 8 will be Dublin, Donegal, Galway, Kerry
Kildare, Mayo, Tyrone and Monaghan.

westbound · June 06, 2018, 03:47:42 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on June 06, 2018, 02:37:33 PM
The 4 beaten provincial finalists at this stage look most likely to be Carlow/Laois, Fermanagh, Cork & Roscommon. All of the teams coming through the qualifiers will be fancied to beat any of these sides with the possible exception of Roscommon depending on the draw. So a lot still depends on the draw and whether the division 1 teams who were already knocked out can avoid each other. If they all avoid each other they would still be expected to arrive in the super 8's.

That's a massive IF.

Also, Do you really expect Kildare to make the quarter final?

I think both Cork and Roscommon (or Galway!!!!) will fancy their chances against anyone in the qualifers.

omagh_gael · June 06, 2018, 04:47:19 PM

Round three is going to be the most important round in qualifiers. Highly likely that the bigger teams will meet then and round 4 will have a number of games that will be massively unbalanced.

Rossfan · June 06, 2018, 04:58:48 PM

Who'll make Round 3?
Meath/Tyrone, Mayowestros, Monaghan, Cavan,Tipp, Kildare/Derry........,

tippabu · June 06, 2018, 05:17:58 PM

Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2018, 04:58:48 PM
Who'll make Round 3?
Meath/Tyrone, Mayowestros, Monaghan, Cavan,Tipp, Kildare/Derry........,

Just have to see how it pans out. Tyrone for example cant meet mayo in round 2 but they can play each other in round 3 and thats flipped for tyrone monaghan, they can play each other in round 2 but cant face each other in round 3.

No disrespect to any of these team but theres a chance the winners of London and Louth will play Leitrim in round 2 and the winners of wexford waterford play sligo in round 2. Winners of them two ties meet in round 3 and winners of that drawn against the losers of leinster (laois/carlow) and from them teams mentioned you have 1 of them in the super 8's. Theres no point before the draws predicting who'll make super 8's.

twohands!!! · June 06, 2018, 09:13:45 PM

Quote from: omagh_gael on June 06, 2018, 04:47:19 PM
Round three is going to be the most important round in qualifiers. Highly likely that the bigger teams will meet then and round 4 will have a number of games that will be massively unbalanced.

The four provincial losers will be

Galway/Roscommon
Kerry/Cork
Dublin/Longford/Carlow/Laois
Fermanagh/Donegal/Down

If you assume the favourites win the 4 provincial finals, you are left with the following as the provincial losers on one side of the draw for Round 4.

Roscommon
Cork
Carlow/Laois
Fermanagh

The sides coming through the qualifiers would definitely be fancying their chances of getting to the Super 8.

The problem for the sides coming through the qualifier route is game fatigue/injuries/suspensions.

You can see it clear as day in the hurling groups that playing week after week takes a toll on players and I expect the same to happen with the Super 8.