Do we need a thread for each match given how quickly this is going to run through?
Sat Oct 31 - Monaghan v Cavan
Sun Nov 1 - Donegal v Tyrone
Sun Nov 1 - Derry v Armagh
Sat Nov 7 - Mon/Cav v Antrim
Sun Nov 8 - Fermanagh v Down
Sat Nov 14 - Don/Tyr v Der/Arm
Sun Nov 15 - Fer/Down v Mon/Cav/Ant
Sun Nov 22 - Final
Hard to know where ourselves and Tyrone stand after the league. McBrearty has only started one game this year and didn't feature since the restart. Tyrone seem to have a few issues too, including the current COVID issue.
Neither team gave away much last week is a pretty tame affair. Tyrone then beat a Mayo team who'd just pummeled Galway, while Donegal barely broke a sweat in basically fulfilling the fixture down in Kerry.
For the love of fcuk, please nobody blame results on covid "we would have won only we were missing players with covid" everyone is in the same boat, and its down to pot luck whether players get away without it.
Monaghan (it should be closer than the league standing would suggest)
Armagh (Armagh to be cruising, Derry to cop on the defence is suspect and to run them close in the end, me to have a mini heart attack as is the norm with Armagh matches these days)
Down (should be routine, Fermanagh are in a bad place)
Donegal/Tyrone too hard to call and will come down to who makes the least mistakes on the day.
Donegal/Tyrone to win Ulster
Is Monaghan v Cavan live on TV?
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 26, 2020, 04:06:03 PM
For the love of fcuk, please nobody blame results on covid "we would have won only we were missing players with covid" everyone is in the same boat, and its down to pot luck whether players get away without it.
Monaghan (it should be closer than the league standing would suggest)
Armagh (Armagh to be cruising, Derry to cop on the defence is suspect and to run them close in the end, me to have a mini heart attack as is the norm with Armagh matches these days)
Down (should be routine, Fermanagh are in a bad place)
Donegal/Tyrone too hard to call and will come down to who makes the least mistakes on the day.
Donegal/Tyrone to win Ulster
Everybody might not be in the same boat though
Quote from: Taylor on October 26, 2020, 04:07:44 PM
Is Monaghan v Cavan live on TV?
nearly sure sky showing it.
Donegal will be strong favourites and rightly so.
They have absolutely pummeled us on kickouts in the last two meetings. Tyrone lost both games by 4 points but that scoreline flattered them as it could have been double digits on both occasions .
We are also likely to be down a number of players. McShane definitely gone and likely to be without Hampsey, Brennan, R Donnelly, Bradley, Cassidy and M O'Neill so I think you can safely say we will be down a third of our strongest XV is all of those miss out.
Hamspey or Brennan would also have been the most likely options to tag Murphy so we will have to come up with another alternative.
Donegal have had our number tactically in those two meetings so it's time to find out if Harte has learned anything.
Outright odds
Donegal 15/8
Monaghan 11/4
Tyrone 4/1
Armagh 10/1
Down 16/1
Cavan 20/1
Derry 20/1
Fermanagh 66/1
Weekend match odds
Monaghan 4/11 Cavan 10/3
Derry 2/1 Armagh 8/15
Donegal 4/6 Tyrone 7/4
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 26, 2020, 05:44:06 PM
Outright odds
Donegal 15/8
Monaghan 11/4
Tyrone 4/1
Armagh 10/1
Down 16/1
Cavan 20/1
Derry 20/1
Fermanagh 66/1
Weekend match odds
Monaghan 4/11 Cavan 10/3
Derry 2/1 Armagh 8/15
Donegal 4/6 Tyrone 7/4
Tasty treble however if I was going with my head rather than my heart I would have Donegal in
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 26, 2020, 05:44:06 PM
Outright odds
Donegal 15/8
Monaghan 11/4
Tyrone 4/1
Armagh 10/1
Down 16/1
Cavan 20/1
Derry 20/1
Fermanagh 66/1
Disrespectful to Antrim. Ammunition for Lenny to fire up the troops - Monaghan/Cavan won't know what's hit them!
Quote from: glens73 on October 26, 2020, 05:53:59 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 26, 2020, 05:44:06 PM
Outright odds
Donegal 15/8
Monaghan 11/4
Tyrone 4/1
Armagh 10/1
Down 16/1
Cavan 20/1
Derry 20/1
Fermanagh 66/1
Disrespectful to Antrim. Ammunition for Lenny to fire up the troops - Monaghan/Cavan won't know what's hit them!
That is serious odds on Tyrone.
It's hard to find grounds for real optimism about Monaghan's chances. Porous in defence with 2 traffic corridors leading directly to a free shot on goal and a return to default up front with McManus clocking up most of the scores.
I'd have a punt on Tyrone at 4/1 if I was given a free bet with no restrictions. Though the last time Tyrone beat Donegal it was Big Sean who calmed the nerves and led the team through the last 1/4.
Quote from: Main Street on October 27, 2020, 07:46:57 AM
It's hard to find grounds for real optimism about Monaghan's chances. Porous in defence with 2 traffic corridors leading directly to a free shot on goal and a return to default up front with McManus clocking up most of the scores.
I'd have a punt on Tyrone at 4/1 if I was given a free bet with no restrictions. Though the last time Tyrone beat Donegal it was Big Sean who calmed the nerves and led the team through the last 1/4.
The last time they beat Donegal was in the super 8s in Ballybofey after he retired.
I felt Donegal didnt even come out of second gear against Tyrone, yes Tyrone were doing maybe some shadow boxing also but they needed the wins to secure safety in Div1..
Once Donegal develop a lead, its very hard to win ball back and get a score before they get another one, Murphy was picking up balls in his fullback line and popping up a minute or so later fighting for the ball at fullforward.
15/8 is the best price you'll get on that list
Donegal are serious All Ireland contenders!
It'll be Donegal's 6th Ulster in 10 years. They have ruled the roost in Ulster and would have to be thinking more of national honours.
No ulster team is close to national honours.
Though this is maybe one year dublin could be caught on the hop but I would doubt it. Kerry I think have moved to a level above the ulster teams too.
You could be right but it's still Dublin's to lose. Kerry when they played second half against Tyrone were very good and I just think that the all irelands last year will maybe have brought them on.
I still think that "business end" Tyrone have a bit more about them than even Donegal. Monaghan floated about like Donegal did for years but when it came down to actual knockout games Tyrone always came out on top. Harte always has them peaking at the knockout. Ulster different this year though so who knows but it's far from a given that Donegal will beat Tyrone. It'll be interesting to see if Tyrone can plan for shutting down Murphy.
Dublin are definitely vulnerable this year.
No packed Croke Park and the influence of The Hill.
New manager, no continuity in the league - Farrell was trying players out in the league so he has no settled team.
No McCaffrey
Winter football conditions may possibly suit other teams.
If Dublin are to be caught, this is the best possible example and I think with the format of this Championship Kerry have the best possible Championship.
Cork might not be a pushover but they should win Ulster handy. They then face the Connacht champions, Galway looked good early in the league but look a shadow of that side now and are missing key players. Mayo are in transition and while Roscommon are game and could win Connacht they are a limited side who Kerry will beat in their sleep.
I would be 80% certain Kerry will be in an All Ireland final this year, most likely against Dublin but I think Donegal are looking good if they can keep their main men fit and they deliver.
I assume these games can go to penalties?
Quote from: clarshack on October 27, 2020, 10:53:06 AM
I assume these games can go to penalties?
I think all championship games require a winner on the day this year, so extra time then penalties I'd have thought
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 09:01:21 AM
I felt Donegal didnt even come out of second gear against Tyrone, yes Tyrone were doing maybe some shadow boxing also but they needed the wins to secure safety in Div1..
Once Donegal develop a lead, its very hard to win ball back and get a score before they get another one, Murphy was picking up balls in his fullback line and popping up a minute or so later fighting for the ball at fullforward.
15/8 is the best price you'll get on that list
Tyrone did it just two years ago though. We were on top in that Super 8 qualifier, still up four points going into the last 15, but the subs Harte sent on, particularly the likes of Lee Brennan, swung the game and they finished very strongly to end up winning by seven points thanks to a couple of late goals.
Not sure where I see the optimism on this thread for Donegal. Yes, if we get past Tyrone, I'd have us favourites for Ulster, but this weekend's game is 50/50. If we knew McBrearty was going to be fully fit and back to full sharpness, that would be one thing, but all we have to go on is two league games, one of which was a fairly tight shadow-boxing match between the two.
It's a lot of tyrone ones playing their chances down... I'd say it's close to a 50-50 game.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2020, 11:40:10 AM
It's a lot of tyrone ones playing their chances down... I'd say it's close to a 50-50 game.
Not really.
Donegal have done a number on us in the last two meetings and look to be at close to full strength. McBrearty being the only definite starter not involved against Tyrone who in contrast are likely to be without 7/8 players who would have featured against Donegal if available (Brennan, Hampsey, McShane, R Donnelly, Bradley, Cassidy, M O'Neill).
It would be 50-50 if both teams are at full tilt but Tyrone are down a number of key men and good options off the bench.
I want to see an improvement on the line next weekend, Donegal had our number tactically in the last two meetings. Our kickouts have been attacked as a result we have fared really badly around the middle of the field. We have not shown the patience or craft to breakdown Donegal's mass defence. So we need to see something new.
The game against Mayo should bring Tyrone on as they are a bit more battle hardened and got a tough game with a real competitive edge in which is important in a condensed Championship like this.
The bookies have it Donegal 8/13 and Tyrone 7/4 which I think is right.
They've tended to do a number in the ulster championship though which hasn't been knockout whereas this is.
A lot of different variables here from the standard year I guess so hard to say.
McKenna and / or Canavan should give you something different. It should be interesting to see how McKenna shows u in championship.
I would have Donegal as slight favourites but not as much as the bookies say.
If we were not missing any players I would say we would be favourites.
The strength of your squad is going to be vital in this condensed season - we dont have that quality.
Betting is correct as it is now
Quote from: LCohen on October 26, 2020, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 26, 2020, 04:06:03 PM
For the love of fcuk, please nobody blame results on covid "we would have won only we were missing players with covid" everyone is in the same boat, and its down to pot luck whether players get away without it.
Monaghan (it should be closer than the league standing would suggest)
Armagh (Armagh to be cruising, Derry to cop on the defence is suspect and to run them close in the end, me to have a mini heart attack as is the norm with Armagh matches these days)
Down (should be routine, Fermanagh are in a bad place)
Donegal/Tyrone too hard to call and will come down to who makes the least mistakes on the day.
Donegal/Tyrone to win Ulster
Everybody might not be in the same boat though
I think they are to be honest. Most teams have the risk of getting decimated with covid dropouts on a week to week basis. A team at full strength may be unfortunate to have several key players out of action the week after.
Hopefully players be extra careful over the next month so it doesn't come to that.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 27, 2020, 12:02:39 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 26, 2020, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 26, 2020, 04:06:03 PM
For the love of fcuk, please nobody blame results on covid "we would have won only we were missing players with covid" everyone is in the same boat, and its down to pot luck whether players get away without it.
Monaghan (it should be closer than the league standing would suggest)
Armagh (Armagh to be cruising, Derry to cop on the defence is suspect and to run them close in the end, me to have a mini heart attack as is the norm with Armagh matches these days)
Down (should be routine, Fermanagh are in a bad place)
Donegal/Tyrone too hard to call and will come down to who makes the least mistakes on the day.
Donegal/Tyrone to win Ulster
Everybody might not be in the same boat though
I think they are to be honest. Most teams have the risk of getting decimated with covid dropouts on a week to week basis. A team at full strength may be unfortunate to have several key players out of action the week after.
Hopefully players be extra careful over the next month so it doesn't come to that.
Respectfully that is complete nonsense.
Your original point was that nobody should complain that "we would have won only we were missing players with covid" as everyone is in the same boat. It is simply not the case that a team that is missing 20 players is in the same boat as a team that could have been missing 20 players. It simply isn't.
Hopefully it doesn't come to that or anything like it
Murphy is the key, stop him and Tyrone have a better chance.
Donegal still strong favs
Quote from: Dire Ear on October 27, 2020, 12:22:07 PM
Murphy is the key, stop him and Tyrone have a better chance.
Donegal still strong favs
Fancy Tyrone for this one. That tough game v Mayo was perfect preparation and winning should give them the confidence.
You would imagine that the only reason that the bookies have Donegal as favourites is due to Tyrones absentee list. Any word on McShanes progress?
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 27, 2020, 01:52:36 PM
You would imagine that the only reason that the bookies have Donegal as favourites is due to Tyrones absentee list. Any word on McShanes progress?
So if Tyrone had a full team available Tyrone would be favs? Where's the game being played?
Quote from: LCohen on October 27, 2020, 12:18:56 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 27, 2020, 12:02:39 PM
Quote from: LCohen on October 26, 2020, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 26, 2020, 04:06:03 PM
For the love of fcuk, please nobody blame results on covid "we would have won only we were missing players with covid" everyone is in the same boat, and its down to pot luck whether players get away without it.
Monaghan (it should be closer than the league standing would suggest)
Armagh (Armagh to be cruising, Derry to cop on the defence is suspect and to run them close in the end, me to have a mini heart attack as is the norm with Armagh matches these days)
Down (should be routine, Fermanagh are in a bad place)
Donegal/Tyrone too hard to call and will come down to who makes the least mistakes on the day.
Donegal/Tyrone to win Ulster
Everybody might not be in the same boat though
I think they are to be honest. Most teams have the risk of getting decimated with covid dropouts on a week to week basis. A team at full strength may be unfortunate to have several key players out of action the week after.
Hopefully players be extra careful over the next month so it doesn't come to that.
Respectfully that is complete nonsense.
Your original point was that nobody should complain that "we would have won only we were missing players with covid" as everyone is in the same boat. It is simply not the case that a team that is missing 20 players is in the same boat as a team that could have been missing 20 players. It simply isn't.
Hopefully it doesn't come to that or anything like it
Of course a team missing 20 players isn't the same as a team at full strength, but my point was simply all teams can be equally as unlucky to have players out of a fixture as a result of it.
The only thing I say me and you will agree on is that we will need a fresh set of togs coming into the last 10mins of the Armagh match.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 09:01:21 AM
I felt Donegal didnt even come out of second gear against Tyrone, yes Tyrone were doing maybe some shadow boxing also but they needed the wins to secure safety in Div1..
Once Donegal develop a lead, its very hard to win ball back and get a score before they get another one, Murphy was picking up balls in his fullback line and popping up a minute or so later fighting for the ball at fullforward.
15/8 is the best price you'll get on that list
The main issue with Tyrone is defensively. Donegal at their ease scored 2-17 in that round 6 tie, last Sunday was a do or die championship like match whereby one would expect Tyrone to concede a low score yet they conceded 1-19 to a Mayo side without their main marksman Cillian O’Connor and Tyrone only won because of agurably David Clarkes worst performance in a Mayo shirt.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 27, 2020, 02:20:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 27, 2020, 09:01:21 AM
I felt Donegal didnt even come out of second gear against Tyrone, yes Tyrone were doing maybe some shadow boxing also but they needed the wins to secure safety in Div1..
Once Donegal develop a lead, its very hard to win ball back and get a score before they get another one, Murphy was picking up balls in his fullback line and popping up a minute or so later fighting for the ball at fullforward.
15/8 is the best price you'll get on that list
The main issue with Tyrone is defensively. Donegal at their ease scored 2-17 in that round 6 tie, last Sunday was a do or die championship like match whereby one would expect Tyrone to concede a low score yet they conceded 1-19 to a Mayo side without their main marksman Cillian O'Connor and Tyrone only won because of agurably David Clarkes worst performance in a Mayo shirt.
Tyrone should have been a lot further ahead at HT than 8 points and Mayo were eased back into it with a number of very soft frees in comparison. Tyrone made very hard work of what should have been fairly routine to close out. Players looked out on their feet near the end but hopefully a battle like the second turned into will bring them on for Donegal.
The key of this game will be kickouts. Donegal have aggressively pressed in the last two meetings as they have backed themselves to dominate us in midfield which they did, they have more size and pace in that middle third area. Thought Kennedy added a lot to us at the weekend but was notably tiring in that second half before being withdrawn.
We are lacking in defensive options - Hampsey, Brennan, Cassidy and O'Neill are all likely to miss out. Three of those would have started I'd have guessed.
If we can break even in primary possession then we have a decent shot but I just feel that Donegal completely have our number tactically and given the number of players we likely be down, key players, then it's hard to see a Tyrone win here.
Quote from: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 02:59:10 PM
Tyrone should have been a lot further ahead at HT than 8 points and Mayo were eased back into it with a number of very soft frees in comparison. Tyrone made very hard work of what should have been fairly routine to close out. Players looked out on their feet near the end but hopefully a battle like the second turned into will bring them on for Donegal.
Could be a less in front at half time but for Mayo butchering a number of good goal scoring chances 1st half. Mayo dominated the 2nd half out scoring Tyrone 1-12 to 1-5 in the end the goal keeping error on the 3rd goal was key to Tyrones narrow win. If a simliar 70 minute performance is produced by Tyrone on Sunday it will result in a comfortable win for Donegal.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 27, 2020, 03:21:40 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 02:59:10 PM
Tyrone should have been a lot further ahead at HT than 8 points and Mayo were eased back into it with a number of very soft frees in comparison. Tyrone made very hard work of what should have been fairly routine to close out. Players looked out on their feet near the end but hopefully a battle like the second turned into will bring them on for Donegal.
Could be a less in front at half time but for Mayo butchering a number of good goal scoring chances 1st half. Mayo dominated the 2nd half out scoring Tyrone 1-12 to 1-5 in the end the goal keeping error on the 3rd goal was key to Tyrones narrow win. If a simliar 70 minute performance is produced by Tyrone on Sunday it will result in a comfortable win for Donegal.
No we should have been a lot more in front, Harte and Donnelly had goal chances which they took points in. McKenna had another goal chance himself, we hit about 5/6 scorable wides in the first half, McKernan dropped one into Clarke's hands. We should have been about 12 up at HT on the balance of play and had the game over as a contest. Mayo were highly reliant on a number of soft frees to keep them in it.
0-02 of Tyrone's 2-09 came from frees in the first half.
0-03 of Mayo's 0-07 came from frees in the first half.
Has Murphy recovered from when Mc kenna put him on his arse? Might take more than last weeks game.
Quote from: rrhf on October 27, 2020, 05:26:54 PM
Has Murphy recovered from when Mc kenna put him on his arse? Might take more than last weeks game.
Think he was fine when he showed him the score at the end ;)
Leagues for playing in, championship is what counts!
Tyrone player positive for COVID
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Quote from: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 04:25:36 PM
No we should have been a lot more in front, Harte and Donnelly had goal chances which they took points in. McKenna had another goal chance himself, we hit about 5/6 scorable wides in the first half, McKernan dropped one into Clarke's hands. We should have been about 12 up at HT on the balance of play and had the game over as a contest. Mayo were highly reliant on a number of soft frees to keep them in it.
0-02 of Tyrone's 2-09 came from frees in the first half.
0-03 of Mayo's 0-07 came from frees in the first half.
As I already stated could be a less in front at half time also. If Mayo were clinical on Sunday they would have scored in the region of 4-22. For the record this is what Tyrone conceded in their previous 6 matches in McHale Park. 0-8,1-7,1-11,1-11,1-8,1-5
The current issues Tyrone have in defence has to be a big cause for concern for this upcoming knock out championship tie.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 27, 2020, 06:23:25 PM
Quote from: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 04:25:36 PM
No we should have been a lot more in front, Harte and Donnelly had goal chances which they took points in. McKenna had another goal chance himself, we hit about 5/6 scorable wides in the first half, McKernan dropped one into Clarke's hands. We should have been about 12 up at HT on the balance of play and had the game over as a contest. Mayo were highly reliant on a number of soft frees to keep them in it.
0-02 of Tyrone's 2-09 came from frees in the first half.
0-03 of Mayo's 0-07 came from frees in the first half.
As I already stated could be a less in front at half time also. If Mayo were clinical on Sunday they would have scored in the region of 4-22. For the record this is what Tyrone conceded in their previous 6 matches in McHale Park. 0-8,1-7,1-11,1-11,1-8,1-5
The current issues Tyrone have in defence has to be a big cause for concern for this upcoming knock out championship tie.
Could have but they
should have been more than the 8 pts ahead on the balance of play.
If Mayo took every single opportunity going they might have scored 4-22, if Tyrone took every single opportunity available they might have scored 6-26.
That's the hypothesis you're proposing.
Tyrone do have an issue in their defence presently and also in midfield.
Brennan and Hampsey are guaranteed starters we will have to do without in that defence next week. I hope we show improvements in that area this coming weekend but my eyes are more focused to next year and what having a fit and fresh McShane can do to our attack along with McKenna.
Middle 8 not winning an equal share of the breaking ball is a major reason why defence is under pressure. The defence do turn over alot of forwards to be fair to them.
Quote from: delgany on October 27, 2020, 06:59:14 PM
Middle 8 not winning an equal share of the breaking ball is a major reason why defence is under pressure. The defence do turn over alot of forwards to be fair to them.
It certainly does a lot to explain it but then you look at two goals we let in against Donegal and it was just brainless defending, players letting men run in behind them without tracking the runs, three or four players charging towards a player with the ball and leaving so much space in behind.
There's a lot of players you could blame for the first Donegal goal but McKernan was the most guilty party as he was in a good position to cover, left his position to go after Mogan when there was enough there to deal with him and then they all bought the dummy and were wide open.
Hampsey was at fault for the second as he didn't track Brennan in behind when he was the closest player to him.
Quote from: Angelo on October 27, 2020, 06:30:16 PM
my eyes are more focused to next year.
You better hope that Tyrone players and management haven't the same focus this Sunday.
Quote from: delgany on October 27, 2020, 06:59:14 PM
Middle 8 not winning an equal share of the breaking ball is a major reason why defence is under pressure. The defence do turn over alot of forwards to be fair to them.
Massive gaps in the Tyrone defence at moment with a number of defenders switching off. Tyrone need to get back to playing to their strengths. Hard to score against and beat.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 27, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Presumably this is a squad member who wasn't involved in any way in Sunday past's squad?
Quote from: smelmoth on October 27, 2020, 08:04:05 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 27, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Presumably this is a squad member who wasn't involved in any way in Sunday past's squad?
Is this a further player or the same player from the weekend?
Quote from: rrhf on October 27, 2020, 05:26:54 PM
Has Murphy recovered from when Mc kenna put him on his arse? Might take more than last weeks game.
Looked like he slipped and fell forwards from the replays that I saw.
That aul chestnut
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 27, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Why on earth would you get tested the week of a championship match?
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 27, 2020, 08:13:57 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on October 27, 2020, 08:04:05 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 27, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Presumably this is a squad member who wasn't involved in any way in Sunday past's squad?
Is this a further player or the same player from the weekend?
If Tyrone are forced to forfeit because of a Covid case, then the Championship should be put on hold.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2020, 09:00:01 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 27, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Why on earth would you get tested the week of a championship match?
Eh cos you have symptoms and are a risk to your friends, family and team mates.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2020, 09:00:01 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 27, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Why on earth would you get tested the week of a championship match?
Seriously?
Is this not old news?? It was well known over the weekend. Surprised the BBC took as long to report it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2020, 09:00:01 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 27, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Why on earth would you get tested the week of a championship match?
Would Armagh cover it up if a player was showing symptoms? I suspect that there would be a few counties that would do so.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 27, 2020, 09:01:16 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 27, 2020, 08:13:57 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on October 27, 2020, 08:04:05 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 27, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Presumably this is a squad member who wasn't involved in any way in Sunday past's squad?
Is this a further player or the same player from the weekend?
If Tyrone are forced to forfeit because of a Covid case, then the Championship should be put on hold.
I agree.
It would completely devalue it.
Quote from: J70 on October 27, 2020, 11:00:46 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 27, 2020, 09:01:16 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 27, 2020, 08:13:57 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on October 27, 2020, 08:04:05 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 27, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Presumably this is a squad member who wasn't involved in any way in Sunday past's squad?
Is this a further player or the same player from the weekend?
If Tyrone are forced to forfeit because of a Covid case, then the Championship should be put on hold.
I agree.
It would completely devalue it.
The GAA need to be clear on their policy on this imo, if say Leitrim have players missing against Mayo then they should be treated the same as any "big" team would be in a game that's expected to be tight.
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Tyrone player positive for COVID
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Why on earth would you get tested the week of a championship match?
Would Armagh cover it up if a player was showing symptoms? I suspect that there would be a few counties that would do so.
Jesus you would hope that players, squads and management in all counties are following all the protocols and best practices. No sympathy for any county, including my own, if they are playing fast and loose with this.
Imagine the team Doc having to account for their conduct if proper procedures were not in place and being followed
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 27, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Presumably this is a squad member who wasn't involved in any way in Sunday past's squad?
Is this a further player or the same player from the weekend?
If Tyrone are forced to forfeit because of a Covid case, then the Championship should be put on hold.
I agree.
It would completely devalue it.
The GAA need to be clear on their policy on this imo, if say Leitrim have players missing against Mayo then they should be treated the same as any "big" team would be in a game that's expected to be tight.
Absolutely.
But I get the impression is that all teams will be treated equally with the championship run off in short order with no delays for anybody
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1027/1174141-dungarvan-set-to-lose-title-over-covid-19-breach/
Quote from: delgany on October 27, 2020, 11:24:21 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1027/1174141-dungarvan-set-to-lose-title-over-covid-19-breach/
That is the way it has to be. Deliberately avoiding testing needs to be punished heavily also. A clear statement to that effect before the weekend would be wise
Wonder did any other teams play players in finals who should have been isolating?
Quote from: The Trap on October 27, 2020, 11:30:19 PM
Wonder did any other teams play players in finals who should have been isolating?
Well on another thread you are not wondering.
If you have something to say, say it
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 27, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Presumably this is a squad member who wasn't involved in any way in Sunday past's squad?
Is this a further player or the same player from the weekend?
If Tyrone are forced to forfeit because of a Covid case, then the Championship should be put on hold.
I agree.
It would completely devalue it.
Completely devalue? That's a tad overreactive. Think of it as a horse race over fences and one of the outsiders the 6th favorite is raring to go, full of beans, chest pumping and full of bravado, then refuses at the first fence. Soon forgotten about.
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 27, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
Tyrone player positive for COVID
https://www.bbc.com/sport/gaelic-games/54707189
Presumably this is a squad member who wasn't involved in any way in Sunday past's squad?
Is this a further player or the same player from the weekend?
If Tyrone are forced to forfeit because of a Covid case, then the Championship should be put on hold.
I agree.
It would completely devalue it.
Completely devalue? That's a tad overreactive. Think of it as a horse race over fences and one of the outsiders the 6th favorite is raring to go, full of beans, chest pumping and full of bravado, then refuses at the first fence. Soon forgotten about.
Absolutely
Has to be play or concede.
Everyone should be tested and positive players removed.
Training needs to be done in such a way that all players are casual contacts and not close contacts.
Counties with bigger picks will find it easier to replace players - same as any year with injuries - but more pronounced if you need to replace 5 or 6 or more.
Counties with lower Covid infection rates will be less likely to have players test positive, but them are the breaks.
It's inevitable that at least one county will be decimated by positive results, that will be very disappointing, but no reason to cancel the whole show.
There are going to be highs and lows, great highs and lows, if they can get this championship done as planned. And imagine if Dublin slip up how many counties will think, this could be our best opportunity
Devalued championship? It may be a different championship, but especially if someone other than Dublin or Kerry win it, when Sam Maguire is lifted I doubt there'll be many talking about a devalued championship.
If players stuck to their positions like in the olden days they would be spaced out, instead of have 29 in one half of the field. ;D
Quote from: Seaney on October 28, 2020, 02:14:57 PM
If players stuck to their positions like in the olden days they would be spaced out, instead of have 29 in one half of the field. ;D
Then a player wouldn't have to give up the fags.
I may be showing my ignorance here, but how is young Canavan?
Does he have the makings of a player in the same league as his father?
Quote from: J70 on October 28, 2020, 04:57:05 PM
I may be showing my ignorance here, but how is young Canavan?
Does he have the makings of a player in the same league as his father?
He is exceptional J70.
Not sure if he is at the level of the Da but there is masses of potential there.
His development will depend on how we play - we have been known to stifle a number of forwards in recent years
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Quote from: J70 on October 28, 2020, 04:57:05 PM
I may be showing my ignorance here, but how is young Canavan?
Does he have the makings of a player in the same league as his father?
He is exceptional J70.
Not sure if he is at the level of the Da but there is masses of potential there.
His development will depend on how we play - we have been known to stifle a number of forwards in recent years
Refereed him last year in a schools finalsl game, decent player and was being picked on by the opposition a lot! But he shrugged it off and played really well, would need to strengthen up a bit, height wise (like myself) is against him, which in the modern game he'd need to have speed and strength to get through it.
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Quote from: Taylor on October 28, 2020, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 28, 2020, 04:57:05 PM
I may be showing my ignorance here, but how is young Canavan?
Does he have the makings of a player in the same league as his father?
He is exceptional J70.
Not sure if he is at the level of the Da but there is masses of potential there.
His development will depend on how we play - we have been known to stifle a number of forwards in recent years
Refereed him last year in a schools finalsl game, decent player and was being picked on by the opposition a lot! But he shrugged it off and played really well, would need to strengthen up a bit, height wise (like myself) is against him, which in the modern game he'd need to have speed and strength to get through it.
I think that's lazy analysis - just because he's small he'll not be fit for it at senior level.
Just ask Peter.
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Quote from: J70 on October 28, 2020, 04:57:05 PM
I may be showing my ignorance here, but how is young Canavan?
Does he have the makings of a player in the same league as his father?
He is exceptional J70.
Not sure if he is at the level of the Da but there is masses of potential there.
His development will depend on how we play - we have been known to stifle a number of forwards in recent years
Refereed him last year in a schools finalsl game, decent player and was being picked on by the opposition a lot! But he shrugged it off and played really well, would need to strengthen up a bit, height wise (like myself) is against him, which in the modern game he'd need to have speed and strength to get through it.
Are you sure it was Darragh? There's another son Ruairi who was playing for St Ciaran's last year in a final as far as I know.
Darragh is an exceptional talent. Obviously there'll be comparisons with his Da but he'll be an excellent player in his own right.
Canavan has been working on the building site the last year or so hasn't he?
Looks like he has bulked up a bit. Think he's probably better coming off the bench at this stage, be nice to have Bradley available at the weekend but looks doubtful.
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Quote from: Taylor on October 28, 2020, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 28, 2020, 04:57:05 PM
I may be showing my ignorance here, but how is young Canavan?
Does he have the makings of a player in the same league as his father?
He is exceptional J70.
Not sure if he is at the level of the Da but there is masses of potential there.
His development will depend on how we play - we have been known to stifle a number of forwards in recent years
Refereed him last year in a schools finalsl game, decent player and was being picked on by the opposition a lot! But he shrugged it off and played really well, would need to strengthen up a bit, height wise (like myself) is against him, which in the modern game he'd need to have speed and strength to get through it.
I think that's lazy analysis - just because he's small he'll not be fit for it at senior level.
Just ask Peter.
Not lazy just an observation but obviously I was speaking about the wrong one, seems it was the younger. Size unfortunately in the modern game is important. Though if he has the talent of his da he'll be fine
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Quote from: Taylor on October 28, 2020, 05:08:45 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 28, 2020, 04:57:05 PM
I may be showing my ignorance here, but how is young Canavan?
Does he have the makings of a player in the same league as his father?
He is exceptional J70.
Not sure if he is at the level of the Da but there is masses of potential there.
His development will depend on how we play - we have been known to stifle a number of forwards in recent years
Refereed him last year in a schools finalsl game, decent player and was being picked on by the opposition a lot! But he shrugged it off and played really well, would need to strengthen up a bit, height wise (like myself) is against him, which in the modern game he'd need to have speed and strength to get through it.
Are you sure it was Darragh? There's another son Ruairi who was playing for St Ciaran's last year in a final as far as I know.
Darragh is an exceptional talent. Obviously there'll be comparisons with his Da but he'll be an excellent player in his own right.
Must have been then, they won after extra time I think
Was listening to Brendan Devenney and Colm Cavanagh on Off the Ball yesterday. Conor McKenna too.
Apparently the Donegal-Tyrone league game was the first game Tyrone played since the spring.
Surely THAT was a factor in them losing the game?
Methinks the Tyrone boys are being a wee bit cute here with the defeatism.
McBrearty still a doubt for us too.
Quote from: J70 on October 29, 2020, 11:53:08 AM
Was listening to Brendan Devenney and Colm Cavanagh on Off the Ball yesterday. Conor McKenna too.
Apparently the Donegal-Tyrone league game was the first game Tyrone played since the spring.
Surely THAT was a factor in them losing the game?
Methinks the Tyrone boys are being a wee bit cute here with the defeatism.
McBrearty still a doubt for us too.
Tyrone are almost certain to be missing five starters from last year's AI SF with Kerry.
Hampsey
R Brennan
Cassidy
R Donnelly
McShane
There's 2 all stars in there and Brennan has been our best defender over the last 18 months. We are down a load of players. Donegal are strong favourites and that is reflected in the odds.
6 when you actually include Cavanagh too.
A timely tribute to Nudie Hughes unveiled (almost) on the eve of the 2020 Ulster championship campaign.
I didn't know he could hurl as well.
https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1)
Quote from: Main Street on October 30, 2020, 07:56:10 PM
A timely tribute to Nudie Hughes unveiled (almost) on the eve of the 2020 Ulster championship campaign.
I didn't know he could hurl as well.
https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1)
Castleblaney man? Great hurling team
Tyrone's appeal for the ref incident being heard today I believe.
12 week ban is too long imo, but I think there should be some ban. But not sure if the rules allow for a small ban, might be either 0 or 12.
Any man know of any 'streams' for today's match, in lieu of not having Sky Sports or Virgin Media?
Quote from: Main Street on October 30, 2020, 07:56:10 PM
A timely tribute to Nudie Hughes unveiled (almost) on the eve of the 2020 Ulster championship campaign.
I didn't know he could hurl as well.
https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1)
Is Nudie not well or what?
Quote from: BennyCake on October 31, 2020, 12:16:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 30, 2020, 07:56:10 PM
A timely tribute to Nudie Hughes unveiled (almost) on the eve of the 2020 Ulster championship campaign.
I didn't know he could hurl as well.
https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1)
Is Nudie not well or what?
He's been battling cancer the last couple of years. Not sure if it had been public knowledge but I only heard about it in an interview with him earlier in the summer. Back then he was still getting treatment, haven't heard anything more since but hopefully he's doing well.
Didn't hear that. Hope he's doing well.
Cavan just need to stay in touch here
Kiss of death
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on October 31, 2020, 11:56:11 AM
Any man know of any 'streams' for today's match, in lieu of not having Sky Sports or Virgin Media?
If you haven't got one yet, this might do you, stable so far.
cricfree.live/watchfeeds/index/112
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Quote from: Main Street on October 30, 2020, 07:56:10 PM
A timely tribute to Nudie Hughes unveiled (almost) on the eve of the 2020 Ulster championship campaign.
I didn't know he could hurl as well.
https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/RTEmcbennettd/status/1321852184900849665/photo/1)
Is Nudie not well or what?
He's been battling cancer the last couple of years. Not sure if it had been public knowledge but I only heard about it in an interview with him earlier in the summer. Back then he was still getting treatment, haven't heard anything more since but hopefully he's doing well.
He's in the photo, life size vs the legend, looks alive and sprightly on the outside. I think it must be about 18 months or more since he suddenly stopped the Northern Sound co-commentry.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElqBG1HX0AMWZaT?format=jpg&name=medium)
Tyrone man's ban upheld I hear.
That's some FF line.
A physically very big front eight in that Donegal line-up, apart from Brennan and O'Donnell.
Hopefully McBrearty is fit and that team starts.
Christ the night! You'd think they'd wipe the camera!
You wouldn't put the dog out in that.
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Christ the night! You'd think they'd wipe the camera!
It's blowing straight across the pitch into them.
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You wouldn't put the dog out in that.
Teams could be out in worse before this is all over, given the tight schedule and need to have games played. We could see another Clones 1993 debacle.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 01:35:12 PM
Christ the night! You'd think they'd wipe the camera!
It's blowing straight across the pitch into them.
Whatabout rainx? You don't need wipers with rainx and a bit of wind.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 01:35:12 PM
Christ the night! You'd think they'd wipe the camera!
Jesus it's ruining it for me!
Thought Tyrone would win this one.
Quote from: Rudi on November 01, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
Thought Tyrone would win this one.
Its only 20 minutes in!!
Joe "two yellows" McQuillan living up to the name.
Tyrone by far the better team so far. Donegal would want to get going soon. A five or six point lead will not be easy to claw back if they don't wake up. Murphy, McHugh etc not in it at all.
What a move!
Simple and effective football.
Kick out to the opposition 45, super goal.
What a kick out if it was intentional
Much improved last ten since the water break.
McCurry and Burns playing well for Tyrone. Pitch in poor shape.
Physio on for that dive.
Ridiculous from both Brennan and McKernan.
Tyrone 7 needs a kick in the hole.
Fair play to the Tyrone no 7. Takes a slight tap to the head, collapsed dramatically, but after treatment is going to heroically carry on
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.
That's a red. Joe bottles it again.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 01, 2020, 02:11:01 PM
That's a red. Joe bottles it again.
Should have been a red alright. I'd be embarrassed if I was that tyrone player though
HT Donegal 1-5 Tyrone 0-6. As expected a tight and tense affair.
Quote from: Estimator on November 01, 2020, 02:10:15 PM
Ridiculous from both Brennan and McKernan.
Tyrone will have to run through the correct concussion protocols and protect McKernan for that was a heavy hit to the head :D
Looked like McKernon cracked his skull there, a brave lad to carry on with not even a bandage,
McKernan made the most of it but was still a slap to the side of the head. Red card all day long.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.
A strike. Hahahaha
Mckernan with his best tiernan mccann impression. Embarrassing.
Stupid from brennan but typical tyrone diving.. Joe losing the run of thr game.
Embarrassing from McKiernan
No. 7 should get a red for that dive. Typical Tyrone..if it's not hair get ruffled, it's a tickle to the ear.
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Quote from: Estimator on November 01, 2020, 02:10:15 PM
Ridiculous from both Brennan and McKernan.
+1
McKernan feigned injury but Brennan could have easily got the road for that.
Thank god the officials are finally understanding the difference between a strike and a slap. Embarrasing from McKernan. Like the McCann incident all over again
It might have been light but ultimately technically a strike and a straight red. Them's the rules.
Donegal lucky to be ahead, Tyrone only themselves to blame though.
Somehow we're two points up after not turning up for first 20 and gifting Tyrone a couple of points.
Need to up it in the second half. It's going to be tight.
Tyrone have no shame when it comes to that sort of diving. This is no surprise. Makes the slap all the more stupid from the Donegal player.
McKernan obviously over played it but 99% of players would go down there to highlight that. No question that's a red, Joe bottled that big time.
Water break fucked Tyrone there. :)
If someone smacks you on the head as you run past, you go down and let the ref sort of out. How anyone can blame McKernan for that incident is beyond me. The ref bottled it...plain and simple. If anyone should be ashamed after that incident it's Joe McQuillan.
Quote from: marty34 on November 01, 2020, 02:14:47 PM
No. 7 should get a red for that dive. Typical Tyrone..if it's not hair get ruffled, it's a tickle to the ear.
Definitley not a McCann hair ruffle, more of an ear tickle.
Joe McQ did well not to fall for it, though should have given yellow to both of them.
Quote from: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 02:15:21 PM
It might have been light but ultimately technically a strike and a straight red. Them's the rules.
Donegal lucky to be ahead, Tyrone only themselves to blame though.
Definition of a strike is 'hit forcibly and deliberately with one's hand'. Was it deliberate-Yes was it forceful- Absolutely not
Fair play to McQuillan he's well used to Tyrone antics at this stage!!!
Regardless of McKernan going down, it's a red all day long.
But not with bottler Joe.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.
A strike. Hahahaha
Listen its a clear dive but it's a hit to the head regardless of force. Completely stupid thing to do. If brennan is banned for 12 weeks for touching a ref arm which is the rule then it's a straight red for a hit to the head. The ref completely bottled it. Either ignore it and play on or give a red. Don't make up the rules as you go along.
Quote from: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 02:15:21 PM
It might have been light but ultimately technically a strike and a straight red. Them's the rules.
Donegal lucky to be ahead, Tyrone only themselves to blame though.
Wise up - a tickle to the ear and if it's as if he's been hit by a brick. Catch a grip and call it out. Typical Tyrone, always at this diving trying to get men sent off.
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 01, 2020, 02:17:00 PM
If someone smacks you on the head as you run past, you go down and let the ref sort of out. How anyone can blame McKernan for that incident is beyond me. The ref bottled it...plain and simple. If anyone should be ashamed after that incident it's Joe McQuillan.
You go down for ages and then get physio attention. Don't make me laugh. It was seen anyway. All he's done is made himself look a diver.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.
A strike. Hahahaha
He made the most of it, but its a strike.
Its a red all day long. The pundits say its a red.
But I suppose you know best.
Unfortunately we will he talking about Joe McQuillan in 40 minutes time. It's his day.
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 01, 2020, 02:17:00 PM
If someone smacks you on the head as you run past, you go down and let the ref sort of out. How anyone can blame McKernan for that incident is beyond me. The ref bottled it...plain and simple. If anyone should be ashamed after that incident it's Joe McQuillan.
Are you for real? He lay down for 3 mins. Doctor out checking for concussion...ffs.
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 01, 2020, 02:21:46 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.
A strike. Hahahaha
Listen its a clear dive but it's a hit to the head regardless of force. Completely stupid thing to do. If brennan is banned for 12 weeks for touching a ref arm which is the rule then it's a straight red for a hit to the head. The ref completely bottled it. Either ignore it and play on or give a red. Don't make up the rules as you go along.
There's a big difference between touching a ref and touching a player. Why would you even compare the two incidents?
It's interesting how the tyronies are demanding red and everyone else is ridiculing the Tyrone player for taking the dive
That Brennan lad coughed up posession all game and then nearly cost his team the game for no good reason. I wouldn't be too worried of Donegal competing in the later stages of the championship if he is a starter.
It's time to pen an original tribute to the bould Joe, beginning with
"Hey Joe, where you goin' with that card in your hand?
Straight red end of story Mc Quillan again bottled it.
Quote from: marty34 on November 01, 2020, 02:24:59 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 01, 2020, 02:17:00 PM
If someone smacks you on the head as you run past, you go down and let the ref sort of out. How anyone can blame McKernan for that incident is beyond me. The ref bottled it...plain and simple. If anyone should be ashamed after that incident it's Joe McQuillan.
Are you for real? He lay down for 3 mins. Doctor out checking for concussion...ffs.
Doctor hasn't the benefit of tv cameras that you have sitting at home. For all he knows it could be closed fist.
Closed fist or not, its a strike to the head and a red card.
Jarlath burns is right, Donegal have got away with one
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 01, 2020, 02:17:00 PM
If someone smacks you on the head as you run past, you go down and let the ref sort of out. How anyone can blame McKernan for that incident is beyond me. The ref bottled it...plain and simple. If anyone should be ashamed after that incident it's Joe McQuillan.
Wise up. Yer man should be embarrassed with himself. Doesn't mean it shouldn't have been a red. McQuillan a bad ref. Missed a blatant check bu one of the tyrone backs too
Quote from: Aaron Boone on November 01, 2020, 02:24:41 PM
Unfortunately we will he talking about Joe McQuillan in 40 minutes time. It's his day.
McQuillan ruins every game he gets. Every game.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:22:56 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.
A strike. Hahahaha
He made the most of it, but its a strike.
Its a red all day long. The pundits say its a red.
But I suppose you know best.
A lot of pundits saying it's not a red either. But every pundit is taking the mick out of the dive.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:22:07 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on November 01, 2020, 02:17:00 PM
If someone smacks you on the head as you run past, you go down and let the ref sort of out. How anyone can blame McKernan for that incident is beyond me. The ref bottled it...plain and simple. If anyone should be ashamed after that incident it's Joe McQuillan.
You go down for ages and then get physio attention. Don't make me laugh. It was seen anyway. All he's done is made himself look a diver.
If that's what it takes. The other option i suppose with the big hard men on here is to be manly and smack him back?? Is that what we expect? Brennan should have been sent off. The ref bottled it.
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Quote from: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.
A strike. Hahahaha
Listen its a clear dive but it's a hit to the head regardless of force. Completely stupid thing to do. If brennan is banned for 12 weeks for touching a ref arm which is the rule then it's a straight red for a hit to the head. The ref completely bottled it. Either ignore it and play on or give a red. Don't make up the rules as you go along.
There's a big difference between touching a ref and touching a player. Why would you even compare the two incidents?
It's interesting how the tyronies are demanding red and everyone else is ridiculing the Tyrone player for taking the dive
I'm not a Tyronie. It was red.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:27:06 PM
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Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.
A strike. Hahahaha
He made the most of it, but its a strike.
Its a red all day long. The pundits say its a red.
But I suppose you know best.
A lot of pundits saying it's not a red either. But every pundit is taking the mick out of the dive.
Who said its not a red. The 2 commentors on the match and the 3 commentators at half time all said its a red.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on November 01, 2020, 02:17:00 PM
If someone smacks you on the head as you run past, you go down and let the ref sort of out. How anyone can blame McKernan for that incident is beyond me. The ref bottled it...plain and simple. If anyone should be ashamed after that incident it's Joe McQuillan.
You go down for ages and then get physio attention. Don't make me laugh. It was seen anyway. All he's done is made himself look a diver.
If that's what it takes. The other option i suppose with the big hard men on here is to be manly and smack him back?? Is that what we expect? Brennan should have been sent off. The ref bottled it.
No. The other option was to not react to a slight tap and use it as motivation for the rest of the game.
Tyrone are well able to dish out the verbals. Put the ball over the bar and let the marker know about it is another option
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:27:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:22:56 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.
A strike. Hahahaha
He made the most of it, but its a strike.
Its a red all day long. The pundits say its a red.
But I suppose you know best.
A lot of pundits saying it's not a red either. But every pundit is taking the mick out of the dive.
Who? BBC was unanimous in saying its a red.
The pitch is in very bad shape.
I'd have thought all pitches, after the summer, would be in top quality shape. I understand that there was probably county s/f's and finals played on it but it's not in great shape.
A pair of poor wides from Murphy and Brennan there. McGonigle missed another right at the start of the half too.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:30:28 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:27:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:22:56 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 01, 2020, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.
A strike. Hahahaha
He made the most of it, but its a strike.
Its a red all day long. The pundits say its a red.
But I suppose you know best.
A lot of pundits saying it's not a red either. But every pundit is taking the mick out of the dive.
Who? BBC was unanimous in saying its a red.
RTE. Lots of ex players on twitter saying same.
It's the home pitch for Mcchumaills gaa, so all underage from u6 to u18 boys and girls plus 3 adult teams need to be accommodated too.
And there's the goal. Inevitable something like that was going to happen at some point to either side.
It's no day for pissing about with the ball in your full back line.
Can't understand why Donegal don't put Murphy at FF.
No matter what the result of this game might be Tyrone will be in with at least one serious chance of an Oscar nomination.
Quote from: Rudi on November 01, 2020, 02:37:14 PM
It's the home pitch for Mcchumaills gaa, so all underage from u6 to u18 boys and girls plus 3 adult teams need to be accommodated too.
And? Same as most other pitches around Ireland.
I don't know which is more embarrassing, the player going down like his was hit by a bus or the Tyrone ones defending him going down.
Common sense refereeing for a change
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Quote from: Rudi on November 01, 2020, 02:37:14 PM
It's the home pitch for Mcchumaills gaa, so all underage from u6 to u18 boys and girls plus 3 adult teams need to be accommodated too.
And? Same as most other pitches around Ireland.
You do realise it rarely stops raining in Ireland this time of year??
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.
No but ruffling a mans hair apparently is!!
Tyrone wasting an awful lot of attacks.
Quote from: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 02:43:57 PM
Tyrone wasting an awful lot of attacks.
Donegal mistakes are keeping Tyrone in it. Gifted a goal by Donegal. No obvious tactic when they're attacking.
The absurdity of water breaks in November is obvious today. Should never have been allowed in the championship
Decent game given the circumstances Donegal playing well this second half and bar the goal should be relatively comfortable. Tyrone not finished yet though it's setup a good finish!
The amount of ball Tyrone giving away is criminal...under no pressure.
This is turning into a lottery of spilled ball
Mark Bradley is making a big difference for Tyrone.
I didn't realise Peter Harte was on until that score!!
Tyrone are going to steal this.
Touched it on the ground clearing it. Penalty.
Donegal seem to have more difficulty hanging on to the ball in possession. Dropping passes and mis-handling. Patton also not playing well either.
Fancy Tyrone to edge this one. Their subs are making the difference.
If the Donegal player should have been sent off for striking should the Tyrone no 19 have got a red for his strike on the Donegal player for the last free?
Maybe if the Donegal player screams in agony the red takes action?
McQuillan giving all the soft ones to Donegal now. Was just was just biding his time.
Quote from: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 03:00:54 PM
McQuillan giving all the soft ones to Donegal now. Was just was just biding his time.
McKiernan channeling his inner Tiernan McCann earlier. Should get a ban for that.
Great effort from both sides. Frank Burns putting in some shift. Donegal winning every kick out.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 02:59:49 PM
If the Donegal player should have been sent off for striking should the Tyrone no 19 have got a red for his strike on the Donegal player for the last free?
Maybe if the Donegal player screams in agony the red takes action?
Was it to the head?
If youre talking about the Ritchie donnelly one it wasn't to the head, it was to the body. Still brought the doctors and all on though.
If its another incident you're on about and it was to the head then yes its a red.
Dangerous game here for Donegal. Carrying it too many times into the tackle.
4mins of stoppage
Joe deciding Donegal players can have 12 steps and a free at the end of it.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 03:04:55 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 02:59:49 PM
If the Donegal player should have been sent off for striking should the Tyrone no 19 have got a red for his strike on the Donegal player for the last free?
Maybe if the Donegal player screams in agony the red takes action?
Was it to the head?
If youre talking about the Ritchie donnelly one it wasn't to the head, it was to the body. Still brought the doctors and all on though.
If its another incident you're on about and it was to the head then yes its a red.
A strike is a strike. Donegal player pays the price for being too honest
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
Nice to know a strike to the side of the head is a yellow and not a red.
Red for the diver would have been more appropriate.
Donegal got more soft score able frees. In a close game the ref made a difference. Great credit to both sides for an entertaining game in terrible conditions
McKernan just slapped Murphy on the head... Red Card.
Good and deserved win for Donegal.
Tight margins in this game, it could have gone either way. One difference was the ever presence of Murphy in the last 1/3 of the game.
Joe McQuillan decided to give Michael Murphy the whistle in that second half.
Donegal the better team it would have been comfortable only for the freak goal fair play to them they'll be a handful for anyone!
Donegal 1-13 Tyrone 1-11. Deserved winners, Murphy to the fore in that win.
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:12:38 PM
Joe McQuillan decided to give Michael Murphy the whistle in that second half.
Oh look Angelo crying about the referee again ::) ::)
Quote from: Estimator on November 01, 2020, 03:11:23 PM
McKernan just slapped Murphy on the head... Red Card.
Murphy has too much self respect to even acknowledge that tap
Quote from: Estimator on November 01, 2020, 03:11:23 PM
McKernan just slapped Murphy on the head... Red Card.
He had a dig at him first though. Not sure if he connected with Murphy or punched the ball against his face.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 03:04:55 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 02:59:49 PM
If the Donegal player should have been sent off for striking should the Tyrone no 19 have got a red for his strike on the Donegal player for the last free?
Maybe if the Donegal player screams in agony the red takes action?
Was it to the head?
If youre talking about the Ritchie donnelly one it wasn't to the head, it was to the body. Still brought the doctors and all on though.
If its another incident you're on about and it was to the head then yes its a red.
A strike is a strike. Donegal player pays the price for being too honest
You really can't compare the two incidents and any attempt to draw equivalence shows you either don't know the rules or you are showing bias.
Lot of soft frees to see Donegal home. Murphy as usual..untouchable....ie no-one is allowed to touch him.
Always good to see them Tyrone ones gone. ;)
In all seriousness, fair play to both sides, very enjoyable game in that weather. Donegal very impressive and all their forwards will take some stopping.
Quote from: Estimator on November 01, 2020, 03:11:23 PM
McKernan just slapped Murphy on the head... Red Card.
I agree. But slaps to the head are no longer red card offences apparently.
Was that McGeary mouthing bringing that second last score in for donegal? He gave away two stupid frees in the first half as well.
Quote from: Estimator on November 01, 2020, 03:11:23 PM
McKernan just slapped Murphy on the head... Red Card.
A strike is a strike. Has to be facing a retrospective ban for it. At least he won't have to worry missing a game next week through concussion even if he isn't suspended
Quote from: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 03:12:48 PM
Donegal the better team it would have been comfortable only for the freak goal fair play to them they'll be a handful for anyone!
Nice unbiased contribution as usual.
Quote from: Nanderson on November 01, 2020, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: Estimator on November 01, 2020, 03:11:23 PM
McKernan just slapped Murphy on the head... Red Card.
Murphy has too much self respect to even acknowledge that tap
Seen that. Wonder what mental gymnastics the Tyrone ones will come up with to justify it.
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 03:04:55 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on November 01, 2020, 02:59:49 PM
If the Donegal player should have been sent off for striking should the Tyrone no 19 have got a red for his strike on the Donegal player for the last free?
Maybe if the Donegal player screams in agony the red takes action?
Was it to the head?
If youre talking about the Ritchie donnelly one it wasn't to the head, it was to the body. Still brought the doctors and all on though.
If its another incident you're on about and it was to the head then yes its a red.
A strike is a strike. Donegal player pays the price for being too honest
Was no were near his head, why make something completely up
Few observations following the match
Winter football is a horrendous idea.
Mcquillan is (still) a horrible ref.
Tyrone are exactly where I thought they are.
Donegal played well but not as far on as I thought.
Tierarn McCann and Conor Meyler need to go.
Michael Murphy is always beside the ref following an incident.
Quote from: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 03:13:38 PM
Lot of soft frees to see Donegal home. Murphy as usual..untouchable....ie no-one is allowed to touch him.
He was yellow carded in the first half early on
Throne are out in the first round although they stayed in the championship even longer than 2005.
Most Tyrone supporters bad losers, somethings never change.
Think we just about deserved it in the end after a poor start.
Good game considering the conditions.
McCann and McKernan with about 5 really bad wides between them in the 2nd half proved costly.
McQuillan an embarrassment of a referee as well.
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Out of the championship on the 1st of November. The only consolation for Tyrone is that the winter is short this year.
Tyrone gave away the ball time after time in the second half Morgan bombing kicks on the Donegal half back line which they kept winning.
Donegal owned the ball in the second half and we're deserved winners!
Harte out?
This was supposed to be his last year anyway was it not?
Quote from: BennyCake on November 01, 2020, 03:13:26 PM
Quote from: Estimator on November 01, 2020, 03:11:23 PM
McKernan just slapped Murphy on the head... Red Card.
He had a dig at him first though. Not sure if he connected with Murphy or punched the ball against his face.
Think he just punched the Ball out of his hand
Fair dues to both teams. A great game in terrible conditions.
Tyrone were gifted a goal and still lost by 2 points. Lack of leadership up front for Tyrone. At least McKenna and Canavan tried. Harte might as well have been sitting in the stand. He would have got to stay dry and would have been as effective as he was on the pitch
Angelo what about Micky Harte? Sack him? should never have been reappointed ;). Out of his depth. Hasn't a clue (Sorry to the rest of you Tyrone boyo's)
Tyrone had so many goal chances in that second half.
Bradley and Harte had two wonderful opportunities for goals but took the points.
Really frustrating, Tyrone kicked it away.
It was a mental decision to withdraw McCurry that early too.
Murphy has been refereeing matches for years now. He's just unfortunate refs fear Dublin and Kerry more than him.
How many soft frees did Doneagl get in that second half.
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 01, 2020, 03:15:15 PM
Few observations following the match
Winter football is a horrendous idea.
Mcquillan is (still) a horrible ref.
Tyrone are exactly where I thought they are.
Donegal played well but not as far on as I thought.
Tierarn McCann and Conor Meyler need to go.
Michael Murphy is always beside the ref following an incident.
Conditions had a huge effect, Donegal were impressive enough I thought. Meyler done rightly I thought, didn't see much of McHugh
That was a great game the reason for intensity and hype was cause its knockout time for gaa to back to knockout and for those that moan knockout aint fair and too harsh well have two all ireland series per year a spring all ireland an an autumn all ireland.
Its hard to beat knockout championship football, fair play to both teams in those conditions.
No sign of McBrearty either.
Wonder will he be back for two weeks time?
Harte anonymous again, but McCurry the man hooked. Typical.
Quote from: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 03:18:55 PM
Harte out?
This was supposed to be his last year anyway was it not?
Banty will be available shortly I'd highly recommend him as Hartes replacement.
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Umpire can't call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasn't deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
I hope somebody has told Mickey about the change in the rules, re the absence of the back door.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 01, 2020, 03:22:24 PM
That was a great game the reason for intensity and hype was cause its knockout time for gaa to back to knockout and for those that moan knockout aint fair and too harsh well have two all ireland series per year a spring all ireland an an autumn all ireland.
Should have been on Friday night though, would have made it a better game!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Umpire can't call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasn't deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
Can you back that up? They can notify the referee of what they have seen.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Umpire can't call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasn't deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.
Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.
Odd that some Derrymen are more interested in this game than one involving their own county.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Umpire can't call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasn't deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
Can you back that up? They can notify the referee of what they have seen.
2.1 POWERS OF UMPIRES
The Umpires shall decide if a score is made, or
if the ball has crossed the endline for a wide, or
for a 45m or 65m free, subject to Rule 1.1 (v)
above.
2.2 DUTIES OF UMPIRES
(i) The Umpires shall signal their decisions as
follows:
(a) A 45m free in Football or a 65m free in
Hurling by raising an arm upright, and then
pointing directly infield, at the place where
the ball passed over the endline.
(b) A wide by crossing both arms above the
head.
(c) A score by raising a green flag for a goal
or a white flag for a point, in front of the
scoring space.
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(d) A decision to disallow a score by crossing
the flags at the centre of the scoring space.
(ii) The Umpires shall bring to the notice of
the referee, during a break in play, any
instances of foul play in particular, rough or
dangerous play, striking, hitting, or kicking, or
unauthorised incursions onto the field of play,
which have not been noticed by the Referee.
Umpires have no power to call fouls in a game
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 01, 2020, 03:29:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Umpire can't call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasn't deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.
Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.
False
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Umpire can't call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasn't deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
Can you back that up? They can notify the referee of what they have seen.
I can back it up yes, umpire can be questioned on a personal foul. That's it. The ref would need to blow his whistle for something then speak to his umpires. It didn't happen and thats that!
Some armchair refs about ;D
Quote from: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 03:12:48 PM
Donegal the better team it would have been comfortable only for the freak goal fair play to them they'll be a handful for anyone!
Not sure if this is a wind up or are you entirely blinded by bias but neither side was ever comfortable in that game and to suggest such isn't credible.
Anyway, it was a great battle in terrible conditions and both teams deserve a lot of credit. Very small margins in the end and ultimately Donegal's decision taking and discipline was that bit better and that got them across the line. Their leaders were to the fore and the rest of the team followed their example. The score to put them 2 up at the end was a great example, a player standing up and taking responsibility.
For Tyrone the likes of Donnelly and Harte were too peripheral, two hugely talented players that Mickey has generally struggled to deploy effectively over the years. And similarly, other players too often took the wrong option in promising positions. Time for a change in Tyrone.
Donegal deserved it, just, and all the best to them in the weeks ahead.
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:30:48 PM
Odd that some Derrymen are more interested in this game than one involving their own county.
Derry game isn't on for another 25 minutes lad!
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 01, 2020, 03:29:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Umpire can't call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasn't deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.
Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.
Take your beating and move on.. embarrassing
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 01, 2020, 03:37:13 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 03:12:48 PM
Donegal the better team it would have been comfortable only for the freak goal fair play to them they'll be a handful for anyone!
Not sure if this is a wind up or are you entirely blinded by bias but neither side was ever comfortable in that game and to suggest such isn't credible.
Anyway, it was a great battle in terrible conditions and both teams deserve a lot of credit. Very small margins in the end and ultimately Donegal's decision taking and disciple was that bit better and that got them across the line. Their leaders were to the fore and the rest of the team followed their example. The score to put them 2 up at the end was a great example, a player standing up and taking responsibility.
For Tyrone the likes of Donnelly and Harte were too peripheral, two hugely talented players that Mickey has generally struggled to deploy effectively over the years. And similarly, other players too often took the wrong option in promising positions. Time for a change in Tyrone.
Donegal deserved it, just, and all the best to them in the weeks ahead.
You can excuse Donnelly today as he was tasked with doing a number on Murphy which he did well so it was naturally going to take away from his game but Peter Harte was so disappointing. He scored a point in the second half when they goal was really on and I'd forgotten he was on the pitch until that point.
Look, conditions today were appalling so you've got to give some leeway but it was yet another very disappointing big day from Harte. When you take McCurry off when he was playing so well.......questions have to be asked. I don't think it's to do with favouritism for Peter Harte, he has the ability so that's why you leave him on but he really needs to give more in big games. McKenna was very poor and was also left on. But McCurry and Kennedy really should not have been taken off today.
Quote from: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:30:48 PM
Odd that some Derrymen are more interested in this game than one involving their own county.
Derry game isn't on for another 25 minutes lad!
I know that but I also know your form, not an unusual occurrence for you chaps to be stalking the Tyrone forums.
It's an unusual obsession.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 03:38:10 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 01, 2020, 03:29:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Umpire can't call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasn't deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.
Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.
Take your beating and move on.. embarrassing
Stupid comment. The beating has already been give. The whole point of these forums is to discuss incidents and highlight areas after the match has happened. Otherwise after the match their would be no discussions at all or suggestions in how to improve for the future.
If you don't want to discuss it then I suggest you leave the forum. As an antrim man I expect you are well used to beatings.
Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:41:08 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on November 01, 2020, 03:37:13 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 03:12:48 PM
Donegal the better team it would have been comfortable only for the freak goal fair play to them they'll be a handful for anyone!
Not sure if this is a wind up or are you entirely blinded by bias but neither side was ever comfortable in that game and to suggest such isn't credible.
Anyway, it was a great battle in terrible conditions and both teams deserve a lot of credit. Very small margins in the end and ultimately Donegal's decision taking and disciple was that bit better and that got them across the line. Their leaders were to the fore and the rest of the team followed their example. The score to put them 2 up at the end was a great example, a player standing up and taking responsibility.
For Tyrone the likes of Donnelly and Harte were too peripheral, two hugely talented players that Mickey has generally struggled to deploy effectively over the years. And similarly, other players too often took the wrong option in promising positions. Time for a change in Tyrone.
Donegal deserved it, just, and all the best to them in the weeks ahead.
You can excuse Donnelly today as he was tasked with doing a number on Murphy which he did well so it was naturally going to take away from his game but Peter Harte was so disappointing. He scored a point in the second half when they goal was really on and I'd forgotten he was on the pitch until that point.
Look, conditions today were appalling so you've got to give some leeway but it was yet another very disappointing big day from Harte. When you take McCurry off when he was playing so well.......questions have to be asked. I don't think it's to do with favouritism for Peter Harte, he has the ability so that's why you leave him on but he really needs to give more in big games. McKenna was very poor and was also left on. But McCurry and Kennedy really should not have been taken off today.
I wasn't having a go at Donnelly, I was questioning the decision to deploy him there. We lost his talent and influence in the area of the field where he is at his most effective. And Murphy still had big impact on the game. It was a poor decision by the management.
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Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Umpire can't call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasn't deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
Can you back that up? They can notify the referee of what they have seen.
2.1 POWERS OF UMPIRES
The Umpires shall decide if a score is made, or
if the ball has crossed the endline for a wide, or
for a 45m or 65m free, subject to Rule 1.1 (v)
above.
2.2 DUTIES OF UMPIRES
(i) The Umpires shall signal their decisions as
follows:
(a) A 45m free in Football or a 65m free in
Hurling by raising an arm upright, and then
pointing directly infield, at the place where
the ball passed over the endline.
(b) A wide by crossing both arms above the
head.
(c) A score by raising a green flag for a goal
or a white flag for a point, in front of the
scoring space.
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(d) A decision to disallow a score by crossing
the flags at the centre of the scoring space.
(ii) The Umpires shall bring to the notice of
the referee, during a break in play, any
instances of foul play in particular, rough or
dangerous play, striking, hitting, or kicking, or
unauthorised incursions onto the field of play,
which have not been noticed by the Referee.
Umpires have no power to call fouls in a game
Fair enough but in decisions as clearcut as that it's fairly ridiculous that umpires can't assist the referee.
Quote from: tyroneman on November 01, 2020, 03:23:31 PM
Harte anonymous again, but McCurry the man hooked. Typical.
Unbelievable call. I'd never take McCurry off. He was lethal in 1st half, hadn't seen the ball for 1st 15 of 2nd half but not his fault
Likewise taking Canavan off...why?!
Absolute lottery in that weather to be fair.
The 2x sunbed boys shooting wides repeatedly didn't help, ego getting in the way of passing to the scorers.
That dive and holding face and getting an ice pack tio the hesd after a clip to back of head was stomach churning
Disappointed not to be seeing Canavan, McCurry, Bradley and McKenna again this year though
Donegal were helped massively by Tyrone being indisciplined...the 2 frees brought forward were criminal
As a neutral, well as neutral as I could be, I was very surprised that both McCurry and Canavan were taken off.
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Donegal the better team it would have been comfortable only for the freak goal fair play to them they'll be a handful for anyone!
Not sure if this is a wind up or are you entirely blinded by bias but neither side was ever comfortable in that game and to suggest such isn't credible.
Anyway, it was a great battle in terrible conditions and both teams deserve a lot of credit. Very small margins in the end and ultimately Donegal's decision taking and disciple was that bit better and that got them across the line. Their leaders were to the fore and the rest of the team followed their example. The score to put them 2 up at the end was a great example, a player standing up and taking responsibility.
For Tyrone the likes of Donnelly and Harte were too peripheral, two hugely talented players that Mickey has generally struggled to deploy effectively over the years. And similarly, other players too often took the wrong option in promising positions. Time for a change in Tyrone.
Donegal deserved it, just, and all the best to them in the weeks ahead.
You can excuse Donnelly today as he was tasked with doing a number on Murphy which he did well so it was naturally going to take away from his game but Peter Harte was so disappointing. He scored a point in the second half when they goal was really on and I'd forgotten he was on the pitch until that point.
Look, conditions today were appalling so you've got to give some leeway but it was yet another very disappointing big day from Harte. When you take McCurry off when he was playing so well.......questions have to be asked. I don't think it's to do with favouritism for Peter Harte, he has the ability so that's why you leave him on but he really needs to give more in big games. McKenna was very poor and was also left on. But McCurry and Kennedy really should not have been taken off today.
I wasn't having a go at Donnelly, I was questioning the decision to deploy him there. We lost his talent and influence in the area of the field where he is at his most effective. And Murphy still had big impact on the game. It was a poor decision by the management.
I'd agree on Donnelly. You look at our main men - Donnelly, Harte, McKenna - we didn't get anything really from them today. The conditions have to be factored in and you can certainly give McKenna a pass. Harte is the one that deserves the most criticism, he just didn't get going when we needed someone. McCurry and Kennedy were probably our best players at the point they were taken off. I thought McNamee and Burns had terrific games too and Meyler did a very good job on McHugh.
I don't think you can criticise any of them for effort but there were just too many basic mistakes. Look next year has been the obvious aim anyway, not many of us expected McKenna to make the instant impact he did, a fully fit McShane, a few more returning faces and some more additional talent in the mix and we're well set.
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 01, 2020, 03:49:13 PM
As a neutral, well as neutral as I could be, I was very surprised that both McCurry and Canavan were taken off.
Canavan I could more understand, it was later on and he had been pretty quiet bar the scores though you can make the point that he is capable of that. He's also younger and maybe not as well set for it.
McCurry though was instrumental for Tyrone in the first half, 3 scores, showing well and loads of the play coming through him - it was mental to haul him off.
Kennedy too was competing really well in the middle, almost by himself.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on November 01, 2020, 03:49:13 PM
As a neutral, well as neutral as I could be, I was very surprised that both McCurry and Canavan were taken off.
Canavan I could more understand, it was later on and he had been pretty quiet bar the scores though you can make the point that he is capable of that. He's also younger and maybe not as well set for it.
McCurry though was instrumental for Tyrone in the first half, 3 scores, showing well and loads of the play coming through him - it was mental to haul him off.
Kennedy too was competing really well in the middle, almost by himself.
I was saying to my brother that the thought of McCurry up against our defence was giving me the fear. He's a good player
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Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Umpire can't call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasn't deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.
Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.
Take your beating and move on.. embarrassing
Stupid comment. The beating has already been give. The whole point of these forums is to discuss incidents and highlight areas after the match has happened. Otherwise after the match their would be no discussions at all or suggestions in how to improve for the future.
If you don't want to discuss it then I suggest you leave the forum. As an antrim man I expect you are well used to beatings.
Which was a stupid comment? The one about the umpires ? Have you read the rules yet?
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Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Umpire can't call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasn't deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.
Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.
Take your beating and move on.. embarrassing
Stupid comment. The beating has already been give. The whole point of these forums is to discuss incidents and highlight areas after the match has happened. Otherwise after the match their would be no discussions at all or suggestions in how to improve for the future.
If you don't want to discuss it then I suggest you leave the forum. As an antrim man I expect you are well used to beatings.
Which was a stupid comment? The one about the umpires ? Have you read the rules yet?
Strange that oisin and Peter both indicated that the umpire should have called it a penalty. Sure apparently you can change the rules on the pitch like Mcquillan did.
Also as per the rule
The umpire has the power to bring to the attention of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play or incursions onto the field of play which have not been noticed by the referee
So the umpire could have called the ref at the next break in play and said a penalty occurred as the ball was touched on the ground. That's within the rules.
Great win for Donegal. It was a real day for grit and slogging, and fair play to both teams for the intensity and skill that they brought. The amount of turnovers by both sides was unreal. It wouldn't have been an injustice if Tyrone had won - it was that close.
Brennan should have got red - we were very lucky that he got away with it.
Tyrone will rue the goal chances in the last 10 min - especially Peter Hartes one.
Star men kept very quiet on both sides. That's as quiet as I've ever seen Ryan McHugh.
Our bench did well - Gallen, McGrath and McClean all contributed.
Thought our forwards made the difference - just a bit more composed and powerful than Tyrones.
The amount of times we needlesssly brought the ball into contact was infuriating - P. Brennan and McGonigle particularly guilty.
McMenamin's forearm touched the ball all right - strictly speaking a penalty but brilliant scramble defending.
Was surprised by the lack of offensive marks in the game.
Tyrone's discipline very costly - those 2 frees were huge.
Considering we had no McBrearty and lost Neil McGee at half-time, it was a great team performance.
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Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Umpire can't call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasn't deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.
Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.
Take your beating and move on.. embarrassing
Stupid comment. The beating has already been give. The whole point of these forums is to discuss incidents and highlight areas after the match has happened. Otherwise after the match their would be no discussions at all or suggestions in how to improve for the future.
If you don't want to discuss it then I suggest you leave the forum. As an antrim man I expect you are well used to beatings.
Which was a stupid comment? The one about the umpires ? Have you read the rules yet?
Strange that oisin and Peter both indicated that the umpire should have called it a penalty. Sure apparently you can change the rules on the pitch like Mcquillan did.
Also as per the rule
The umpire has the power to bring to the attention of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play or incursions onto the field of play which have not been noticed by the referee
So the umpire could have called the ref at the next break in play and said a penalty occurred as the ball was touched on the ground. That's within the rules.
No. Foul play is not the same as calling technical fouls.
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Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Umpire can't call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasn't deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.
Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.
Take your beating and move on.. embarrassing
Stupid comment. The beating has already been give. The whole point of these forums is to discuss incidents and highlight areas after the match has happened. Otherwise after the match their would be no discussions at all or suggestions in how to improve for the future.
If you don't want to discuss it then I suggest you leave the forum. As an antrim man I expect you are well used to beatings.
Which was a stupid comment? The one about the umpires ? Have you read the rules yet?
Strange that oisin and Peter both indicated that the umpire should have called it a penalty. Sure apparently you can change the rules on the pitch like Mcquillan did.
Also as per the rule
The umpire has the power to bring to the attention of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play or incursions onto the field of play which have not been noticed by the referee
So the umpire could have called the ref at the next break in play and said a penalty occurred as the ball was touched on the ground. That's within the rules.
No. Foul play is not the same as calling technical fouls.
Fair comment, never thougtb about that. Tyrone rode Donegal a whole lot closer than I ever thought they would so I suppose those calls really stick out as they were the winning of the game.
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Quote from: Angelo on November 01, 2020, 03:17:27 PM
Murphy spent the entire second half shouting at McQuillan telling him what to do and McQuillan rode Tyrone. He got soft free after soft free after soft free. Murphy shouting at him all game yet he pulls in two frees for Donegal into the scoring range. It was madness, a pathetic refereeing performance.
Umpire has to call that penalty as well when McMenamin handles it on the ground, he's looking right at it.
Umpire can't call penalty, so stop talking about it. Would have been a very harsh one to give, wasn't deliberate and conditions attributed to the touch.
Can people please read the rules before commenting. It doesn't have to be deliberate to be called. Any touch in the ground is an offence. Also the umpire can call it to the refs attention for him to award the penalty. Its literally their job.
Apparently today we learnt than undeliberate handle of the ball on the ground isn't a free and slaps to the head are a yellow card.
Take your beating and move on.. embarrassing
Stupid comment. The beating has already been give. The whole point of these forums is to discuss incidents and highlight areas after the match has happened. Otherwise after the match their would be no discussions at all or suggestions in how to improve for the future.
If you don't want to discuss it then I suggest you leave the forum. As an antrim man I expect you are well used to beatings.
Which was a stupid comment? The one about the umpires ? Have you read the rules yet?
Strange that oisin and Peter both indicated that the umpire should have called it a penalty. Sure apparently you can change the rules on the pitch like Mcquillan did.
Also as per the rule
The umpire has the power to bring to the attention of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play or incursions onto the field of play which have not been noticed by the referee
So the umpire could have called the ref at the next break in play and said a penalty occurred as the ball was touched on the ground. That's within the rules.
Osin and peter to be fair to them are not referees, and their interpretation of the rules shows their lack of knowledge on that, the referee blows for the fouls not linesmen or umpires, now can you accept that part?
Isn't it an awful f**king shame that Rory Gallagher still gets work?
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Isn't it an awful f**king shame that Rory Gallagher still gets work?
What do you mean 'work'? Are you implying he's being paid?
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Fair dues to both teams. A great game in terrible conditions.
+1
Pity Tyrone didn't just take their points in injury time, instead of lobbing a heap of balls in. Pretty sure they would have got the draw and we all could have had an extra 20 minutes of it. Not that Donegal were undeserving winners.
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Quote from: thewobbler on November 01, 2020, 04:43:21 PM
Isn't it an awful f**king shame that Rory Gallagher still gets work?
What do you mean 'work'? Are you implying he's being paid?
Doing it out of the goodness of his heart same as the rest of the managers ;) ;)
Of all the anti tyrone nonsense I've read today I think the worst is "it isn't a penalty if he touches it on the ground because the conditions are bad".
Also, I don't think I saw anyone trying to defend McKernans behaviour, we all know what he did. We aren't proud of it.
However, it should have been a red card. A strike to the head with your hand (when the ball is out of play!) Is unquestionably a sending off. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the rules or is blinded by their anti-tyrone bias.
/rant
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 05:34:47 PM
Of all the anti tyrone nonsense I've read today I think the worst is "it isn't a penalty if he touches it on the ground because the conditions are bad".
Also, I don't think I saw anyone trying to defend McKernans behaviour, we all know what he did. We aren't proud of it.
However, it should have been a red card. A strike to the head with your hand (when the ball is out of play!) Is unquestionably a sending off. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the rules or is blinded by their anti-tyrone bias.
/rant
You summed it up well. You can't connect with a person's head, otherwise it's a red. McKiernan's reaction was pathetic.
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Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 05:34:47 PM
Of all the anti tyrone nonsense I've read today I think the worst is "it isn't a penalty if he touches it on the ground because the conditions are bad".
Also, I don't think I saw anyone trying to defend McKernans behaviour, we all know what he did. We aren't proud of it.
However, it should have been a red card. A strike to the head with your hand (when the ball is out of play!) Is unquestionably a sending off. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the rules or is blinded by their anti-tyrone bias.
/rant
You summed it up well. You can't connect with a person's head, otherwise it's a red. McKiernan's reaction was pathetic.
So, by that definition should McKiernan been sent off for his 'strike' on Murphy?
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Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 05:34:47 PM
Of all the anti tyrone nonsense I've read today I think the worst is "it isn't a penalty if he touches it on the ground because the conditions are bad".
Also, I don't think I saw anyone trying to defend McKernans behaviour, we all know what he did. We aren't proud of it.
However, it should have been a red card. A strike to the head with your hand (when the ball is out of play!) Is unquestionably a sending off. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the rules or is blinded by their anti-tyrone bias.
/rant
You summed it up well. You can't connect with a person's head, otherwise it's a red. McKiernan's reaction was pathetic.
So, by that definition should McKiernan been sent off for his 'strike' on Murphy?
I missed it in live play but if he's stuck him on the head then yes.
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Quote from: currychip on November 01, 2020, 05:42:27 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 05:34:47 PM
Of all the anti tyrone nonsense I've read today I think the worst is "it isn't a penalty if he touches it on the ground because the conditions are bad".
Also, I don't think I saw anyone trying to defend McKernans behaviour, we all know what he did. We aren't proud of it.
However, it should have been a red card. A strike to the head with your hand (when the ball is out of play!) Is unquestionably a sending off. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the rules or is blinded by their anti-tyrone bias.
/rant
McKernan struck the ball which then hit Murphy in the face if that's the incident being referred to. Not a red card.
Brennan's is a textbook red card.
You summed it up well. You can't connect with a person's head, otherwise it's a red. McKiernan's reaction was pathetic.
So, by that definition should McKiernan been sent off for his 'strike' on Murphy?
I missed it in live play but if he's stuck him on the head then yes.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2020, 05:45:37 PM
Quote from: currychip on November 01, 2020, 05:42:27 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 01, 2020, 05:34:47 PM
Of all the anti tyrone nonsense I've read today I think the worst is "it isn't a penalty if he touches it on the ground because the conditions are bad".
Also, I don't think I saw anyone trying to defend McKernans behaviour, we all know what he did. We aren't proud of it.
However, it should have been a red card. A strike to the head with your hand (when the ball is out of play!) Is unquestionably a sending off. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the rules or is blinded by their anti-tyrone bias.
/rant
You summed it up well. You can't connect with a person's head, otherwise it's a red. McKiernan's reaction was pathetic.
So, by that definition should McKiernan been sent off for his 'strike' on Murphy?
I missed it in live play but if he's stuck him on the head then yes.
He did.. but it's a red card for snowflakes.
He tapped Murphy on the face/head area after he punched ball out of his arm Angelo, you missed it no doubt
Can't be bothered reading back through the last numbers of pages.
McKernan made a meal of it tho technically should have been red. No complaints with the yellow considering.
Thought it was a really good game in terrible conditions. There was always going to be handling errors, misplaced passes etc and there were plenty. But lacked nothing in the physical stakes. If the rest o the championship holds up to the same levels, a winter AI might not be too bad.
For Tyrone, we weren't far away against a strong Donegal side that I think will do well. Plenty to look forward to next year.
Armagh just laboured over the line but i'll take that all day long. Have a mammoth task to try and defeat this Donegal team. Tyrone and Donegal would be the 2 best teams in Ulster so Armagh have it all to do. On the flip side there will be little pressure on them as Donegal will be red hot favourites. Will this game be in Clones? And is it safe to assume it's in two weeks time?
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Armagh just laboured over the line but i'll take that all day long. Have a mammoth task to try and defeat this Donegal team. Tyrone and Donegal would be the 2 best teams in Ulster so Armagh have it all to do. On the flip side there will be little pressure on them as Donegal will be red hot favourites. Will this game be in Clones? And is it safe to assume it's in two weeks time?
Yes two weeks away.
How'd the young fella who came back from Australia get on?
Mixed feelings towards that Armagh game.
Armagh again showing they are incompetent of putting the game beyond doubt when its all in their favour, Donegal will tear them apart if they give them the 10/15mins of a purple patch Armagh seem to be allowing teams at the moment.
Their forward line as expected firing on all cylinders, and their defence looked more assured and confident. I'm not sure if the bad conditions favour the Armagh backline, but they looked good today.
Derry were ok and showed glimpses, but even when they taken the game back to a point their body language said gave the impression they would not win.
Some great scores from both sides also considering.
On the Mc Kernan incident, I think it's a bit of gamesmanship taken to a new level and takes away from the ethos of the game. I'm sure he will look back on that with a bit of embarrassment/disappointment.
Quote from: illdecide on November 01, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
Armagh just laboured over the line but i'll take that all day long. Have a mammoth task to try and defeat this Donegal team. Tyrone and Donegal would be the 2 best teams in Ulster so Armagh have it all to do. On the flip side there will be little pressure on them as Donegal will be red hot favourites. Will this game be in Clones? And is it safe to assume it's in two weeks time?
Thought the 2 keepers were very good but blaine hughes in particular was excellent. His kickouts were brilliant.
Quote from: greatpoint on November 01, 2020, 08:28:48 PM
How'd the young fella who came back from Australia get on?
Honestly, imho underwhelming, was keeping an eye for him to see what extra he brought to the team, but nothing special. A solid league next year should be more of an indication of how important he will be for Derry.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 01, 2020, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on November 01, 2020, 08:28:48 PM
How'd the young fella who came back from Australia get on?
Honestly, imho underwhelming, was keeping an eye for him to see what extra he brought to the team, but nothing special. A solid league next year should be more of an indication of how important he will be for Derry.
I thought he was from Tyrone?
Quote from: marty34 on November 01, 2020, 02:14:47 PM
No. 7 should get a red for that dive. Typical Tyrone..if it's not hair get ruffled, it's a tickle to the ear.
In fairness a few Donegal not shy to hold the head when been tackled.
Quote from: greatpoint on November 01, 2020, 08:50:41 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 01, 2020, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on November 01, 2020, 08:28:48 PM
How'd the young fella who came back from Australia get on?
Honestly, imho underwhelming, was keeping an eye for him to see what extra he brought to the team, but nothing special. A solid league next year should be more of an indication of how important he will be for Derry.
I thought he was from Tyrone?
McKenna in tyrone and Glass in Derry
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 01, 2020, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on November 01, 2020, 08:50:41 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 01, 2020, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on November 01, 2020, 08:28:48 PM
How'd the young fella who came back from Australia get on?
Honestly, imho underwhelming, was keeping an eye for him to see what extra he brought to the team, but nothing special. A solid league next year should be more of an indication of how important he will be for Derry.
I thought he was from Tyrone?
McKenna in tyrone and Glass in Derry
I'd give them lads another 6 months and see what tbey're like then. Unfair to judge them niw and them only back a few weeks.
They'll be decent assets I'd imagine when they settle into it.
I thought it was a risk that didn't pay off playing Glass he hasn't had enough game time.
Give him a few months of training and Club football and I think he could be a force for us but he was thrown in there and wasn't ready for Championship.
Just thought Donegal closed that game out yesterday very well. We got them back level, 1-9 apiece and then two great scores to win the match. Their goal and the last two points meant they were deserving winners on the day. That said Tyrone could have won. The two frees brought forward were criminal. In a game of small margins those were give aways. Tyrone were scrambling in the final 10 minutes, Donegal showed more composure and their bigger more powerful men were better in the conditions.
Donegal have a right chance this year. Pity the likes of Dublin or Kerry don't have to travel to Ballybofey for a knock out Championship match in the mud and rain. That would test them.
Quote from: screenexile on November 01, 2020, 11:03:02 PM
I thought it was a risk that didn't pay off playing Glass he hasn't had enough game time.
Give him a few months of training and Club football and I think he could be a force for us but he was thrown in there and wasn't ready for Championship.
We don't have enough in terms of big strong athletic players and I'd say the thinking was he could compete physically with the more imposing Armagh players. Glass did Ok. Would we have anyone who would have done any better at MF?
I'd have been tempted to throw glass into FF for 10 mins and kick some ball in on top of him to see what would happen.
If nothing else, it will help bring him on for next season.
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.
I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
Quote from: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.
I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
Did you see what he put up on twitter that evening too?
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2020, 01:12:15 PM
Quote from: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.
I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
Did you see what he put up on twitter that evening too?
I did.
One one level it was a stupid irresponsible thing to do and he should rise above it rather than take the bait. In addition it was taking a mans personal life into it.
However other people will say JB is giving out abuse so he has to expect to take some back no matter how low it is. Brolly has taken plenty of cuts at players. Doubt he will take another cut at McKernan when he sees what could be coming back.
What did he say? Brolly has got very personal with insults anyway so can hardly complain if someone is doing it to him.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 02, 2020, 01:22:49 PM
What did he say? Brolly has got very personal with insults anyway so can hardly complain if someone is doing it to him.
Footage from a nightclub of a certain loudmouth pundit touching up a young one.
Ah right. Probably not a great reaction but hard to have sympathy for Brolly with how he conducts himself.
Tbf like most of the Derry slabberers, Brolly went very quiet when he got a dose of his own back.
I noticed Brolly had tweeted quite a bit during the match. Someone can't bear not to be in the limelight. I'm sure he'll try to have his own TV Twitter show for the rest of the championship. Everyone should just ignore the attention seeker.
By the way, what happened to him being on BBC NI's coverage? Hopefully that's all fell through!
Quote from: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 01:17:01 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2020, 01:12:15 PM
Quote from: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.
I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
Did you see what he put up on twitter that evening too?
I did.
One one level it was a stupid irresponsible thing to do and he should rise above it rather than take the bait. In addition it was taking a mans personal life into it.
However other people will say JB is giving out abuse so he has to expect to take some back no matter how low it is. Brolly has taken plenty of cuts at players. Doubt he will take another cut at McKernan when he sees what could be coming back.
For me if Brolly had made a personal attack on him then fair enough game. But did he not just call him out on diving and feigning injury unless I missed something else? I think it was a low enough act but maybe McKernan was projecting outwards his anger at what he did himself.
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2020, 03:09:43 PM
Quote from: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 01:17:01 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2020, 01:12:15 PM
Quote from: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.
I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
Did you see what he put up on twitter that evening too?
I did.
One one level it was a stupid irresponsible thing to do and he should rise above it rather than take the bait. In addition it was taking a mans personal life into it.
However other people will say JB is giving out abuse so he has to expect to take some back no matter how low it is. Brolly has taken plenty of cuts at players. Doubt he will take another cut at McKernan when he sees what could be coming back.
For me if Brolly had made a personal attack on him then fair enough game. But did he not just call him out on diving and feigning injury unless I missed something else? I think it was a low enough act but maybe McKernan was projecting outwards his anger at what he did himself.
Yes it was the diving and feigning of injury from what I could see.
However he may have been sick of Brolly having a cut at Tyrone in general.
I guess only the man himself can answer that.
Either way I hope thats the end of it from both perspectives.
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2020, 03:09:43 PM
Quote from: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 01:17:01 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 02, 2020, 01:12:15 PM
Quote from: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.
I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
Did you see what he put up on twitter that evening too?
I did.
One one level it was a stupid irresponsible thing to do and he should rise above it rather than take the bait. In addition it was taking a mans personal life into it.
However other people will say JB is giving out abuse so he has to expect to take some back no matter how low it is. Brolly has taken plenty of cuts at players. Doubt he will take another cut at McKernan when he sees what could be coming back.
For me if Brolly had made a personal attack on him then fair enough game. But did he not just call him out on diving and feigning injury unless I missed something else? I think it was a low enough act but maybe McKernan was projecting outwards his anger at what he did himself.
I agree, Brolly, like everyone else, is a mere spectator, commenting on the game as he sees it, McKeirnan response was juvenile and in haste most likely and uncalled for.
Quote from: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.
I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
There was no strike with the hand, the ref Joe correctly deemed it to be a push with the hand, therefore a yellow.
The only mystery is why Joe didn't give a yellow card to McKernan for blatantly feigning an injury.
I don't remember if tyronies actually thought the ref was correct to give a red card to Darren Hughes for his alleged "striking action" on McCann in that infamous day in croke park?
I firmly believe he didn't red card him because the linesman/umpire or fourth official now, said there's nothing in it and your man went down like he was hit by a bus!!
Maybe if Joe seen it first hand he might have sent him off.
I hate sending someone off on someone else's call, but it's ultimately the refs call, regardless of what the officials said, I believe.
If a Tyrone man had have been sent off for that we'd be into 2000 pages by now
Honestly, it looked to me to be much more in line with what Tyrone's Brennan did to Michael Murphy in the league game a few weeks ago than a "strike".
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2020, 08:25:33 PM
I firmly believe he didn't red card him because the linesman/umpire or fourth official now, said there's nothing in it and your man went down like he was hit by a bus!!
Maybe if Joe seen it first hand he might have sent him off.
I hate sending someone off on someone else's call, but it's ultimately the refs call, regardless of what the officials said, I believe.
If a Tyrone man had have been sent off for that we'd be into 2000 pages by now
The linesman was closest to the situation so he probably was the bearer of the witness report to Joe. That meant in all probability the linesman said it wasn't a strike, therefore a push of sorts, still McKernan should have been carded as well.
Quote from: Main Street on November 02, 2020, 08:18:45 PM
Quote from: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.
I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
There was no strike with the hand, the ref Joe correctly deemed it to be a push with the hand, therefore a yellow.
The only mystery is why Joe didn't give a yellow card to McKernan for blatantly feigning an injury.
I don't remember if tyronies actually thought the ref was correct to give a red card to Darren Hughes for his alleged "striking action" on McCann in that infamous day in croke park?
Blind leading the blind.
Joe Brolly got what he deserved.
Quote from: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.
I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
Canavan and Kennedy have both struggled with injuries recently. I'd say that combined with playing on such a heavy pitch was probably the main reason they were taken off. Not sure if there was much left in Kennedy in particular and we had struggled badly in the middle in the period before he went off.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 03, 2020, 08:13:08 AM
Quote from: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.
I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
Canavan and Kennedy have both struggled with injuries recently. I'd say that combined with playing on such a heavy pitch was probably the main reason they were taken off. Not sure if there was much left in Kennedy in particular and we had struggled badly in the middle in the period before he went off.
I thought Kennedy was our only presence in the middle of the pitch before being removed, it was a bad call. He may have been tiring but we missed him there when he went off and he had won an awful lot of ball in the middle of the pitch.
Kilpatrick was surely worth a run too.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 03, 2020, 08:13:08 AM
Quote from: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.
I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
Canavan and Kennedy have both struggled with injuries recently. I'd say that combined with playing on such a heavy pitch was probably the main reason they were taken off. Not sure if there was much left in Kennedy in particular and we had struggled badly in the middle in the period before he went off.
Did Canavan not pick up a knock in a collision a few minutes before he went off ?
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 03, 2020, 10:25:38 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 03, 2020, 08:13:08 AM
Quote from: Taylor on November 02, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
Bitterly disappointed with the game yesterday on so many levels.
I have defended him in the past but MH had a stinker yesterday - McCurry, Canavan & Kennedy all taken off when other players underperformed is sickening.
McKernan - he got tapped and dropped but then the laying on the ground for 3mins topped it all!
Why did Brennan get the yellow card? He either hit him or he didnt. Red or nothing.
Cavan Joe (the above incident aside) done ok I thought, in difficult conditions.
We missed a lot of simple scores in last 10 - including taking a point when there was a goal opportunity.
Mouthing at referees & the ball moved up has to stop.
Donegal will destroy Armagh - difference in intensity between both games was clear as day
Canavan and Kennedy have both struggled with injuries recently. I'd say that combined with playing on such a heavy pitch was probably the main reason they were taken off. Not sure if there was much left in Kennedy in particular and we had struggled badly in the middle in the period before he went off.
Did Canavan not pick up a knock in a collision a few minutes before he went off ?
He did indeed, was checked for concussion prior to being taken off
Provincial championships are better and mean more when its knockout and no all Ireland backdoor
Antrim a point up at ht as Cavan look like they only had to turn up to wi it.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 07, 2020, 01:59:59 PM
Antrim a point up at ht as Cavan look like they only had to turn up to wi it.
Antrim might buck up a bit now that the GAA, like Cromwell, are threatening to send them to Connacht.
That was a clear penalty
This is a shocking display from Cavan. Heads will roll if they lose this.
Antrim wasteful with chances.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 07, 2020, 02:29:35 PM
Antrim wasteful with chances.
That's true and we lack the physically of breaking tackles, which is evident in most parts of this game
Cavan look the likely winners now.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 02:33:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 07, 2020, 02:29:35 PM
Antrim wasteful with chances.
That's true and we lack the physically of breaking tackles, which is evident in most parts of this game
Not really that - too many wides.
You can have all the S & C you want but if you can't kick the ball, under pressure or not, over the bar then you're done for.
Simple as.
Down seem to missing a few big players tomorrow?
Are D O'Hagan, R Johnston and Harrison still involved or injured? I'd fancy them to make the Ulster final if they had a full contingent.
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 02:33:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 07, 2020, 02:29:35 PM
Antrim wasteful with chances.
That's true and we lack the physically of breaking tackles, which is evident in most parts of this game
Not really that - too many wides.
You can have all the S & C you want but if you can't kick the ball, under pressure or not, over the bar then you're done for.
Simple as.
The strength and conditioning allows you to have the strength to kick a score, it's not all about breaking tackles, it's having the strength and conditioning to shoot or lay off the best ball.
But yes it's an area for any team to improve on
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.
Quote from: Angelo on November 07, 2020, 03:01:03 PM
Down seem to missing a few big players tomorrow?
Are D O'Hagan, R Johnston and Harrison still involved or injured? I'd fancy them to make the Ulster final if they had a full contingent.
O'Hagan and Harrison are out for the season but Ryan Johnston will be on the panel tomorrow
Quote from: Itchy on November 07, 2020, 03:06:03 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.
It was a impossible call on that black card, the problem was it was a foul and a yellow but the call is a black due to taking him out..
Big call from ref and I think bar that one slight push on Paddy Gallagher on goal I thought he was excellent.
Cavan don't seem to be the team that plays well with the favourites tag so they'll put this behind them and set themselves up for the next game.
Quote from: Itchy on November 07, 2020, 03:06:03 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.
Not sure what the lad could have done with that black.
Had he not turned his shoulder, the pair would have collided face to face.
There was no way to avoid that collision.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 03:04:10 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 02:33:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 07, 2020, 02:29:35 PM
Antrim wasteful with chances.
That's true and we lack the physically of breaking tackles, which is evident in most parts of this game
Not really that - too many wides.
You can have all the S & C you want but if you can't kick the ball, under pressure or not, over the bar then you're done for.
Simple as.
The strength and conditioning allows you to have the strength to kick a score, it's not all about breaking tackles, it's having the strength and conditioning to shoot or lay off the best ball.
But yes it's an area for any team to improve on
What?
Are you saying you need S & C to kick a ball over the bar from 30 yards?
I've heard it all now.
Antrim to credit was well organised in defence and Cavan had to work hard for every score and the win. What happened in that league match against Wicklow? Going by that performance it makes no sense why Antrim conceded 7 goals against Wicklow.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 03:04:10 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 07, 2020, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 02:33:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 07, 2020, 02:29:35 PM
Antrim wasteful with chances.
That's true and we lack the physically of breaking tackles, which is evident in most parts of this game
Not really that - too many wides.
You can have all the S & C you want but if you can't kick the ball, under pressure or not, over the bar then you're done for.
Simple as.
The strength and conditioning allows you to have the strength to kick a score, it's not all about breaking tackles, it's having the strength and conditioning to shoot or lay off the best ball.
But yes it's an area for any team to improve on
What?
Are you saying you need S & C to kick a ball over the bar from 30 yards?
I've heard it all now.
Well if you're fucked after breaking a tackle or running at a team and not have the composure to kick it over the bar then you're not fit enough, kicking a ball over the bar is easier when you are fit and have the strength in your legs, not sure how difficult that is to understand
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 03:14:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 07, 2020, 03:06:03 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.
It was a impossible call on that black card, the problem was it was a foul and a yellow but the call is a black due to taking him out..
Big call from ref and I think bar that one slight push on Paddy Gallagher on goal I thought he was excellent.
Cavan don't seem to be the team that plays well with the favourites tag so they'll put this behind them and set themselves up for the next game.
Would've been a very soft penalty if it was gjven. Overall Cavan had just a bit more quality and antrim made life very difficult for us.
Quote from: Itchy on November 07, 2020, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2020, 03:14:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 07, 2020, 03:06:03 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.
It was a impossible call on that black card, the problem was it was a foul and a yellow but the call is a black due to taking him out..
Big call from ref and I think bar that one slight push on Paddy Gallagher on goal I thought he was excellent.
Cavan don't seem to be the team that plays well with the favourites tag so they'll put this behind them and set themselves up for the next game.
Would've been a very soft penalty if it was gjven. Overall Cavan had just a bit more quality and antrim made life very difficult for us.
Yes soft, but just enough to reduce the shot, VAR was needed ;D
See you do love them.
Quote from: Seaney on November 07, 2020, 06:08:15 PM
See you do love them.
If there was a facepalm emoji here, I'd use it for you. Stalker
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Antrim wasteful with chances.
That's true and we lack the physically of breaking tackles, which is evident in most parts of this game
Not really that - too many wides.
You can have all the S & C you want but if you can't kick the ball, under pressure or not, over the bar then you're done for.
Simple as.
The strength and conditioning allows you to have the strength to kick a score, it's not all about breaking tackles, it's having the strength and conditioning to shoot or lay off the best ball.
But yes it's an area for any team to improve on
What?
Are you saying you need S & C to kick a ball over the bar from 30 yards?
I've heard it all now.
Well if you're fucked after breaking a tackle or running at a team and not have the composure to kick it over the bar then you're not fit enough, kicking a ball over the bar is easier when you are fit and have the strength in your legs, not sure how difficult that is to understand
Omg.
Maybe that's why Antrim are in the place they're in - not enough practice on the basics of kicking the ball over the bar.
You see they got into the positions to kick it over the bar but the kicking was the problem...not the S&C.
Quote from: Itchy on November 07, 2020, 03:06:03 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.
Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.
As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.
Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.
Cavan were more economical than Antrim, as the disposition of their inhabitants would suggest.
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Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.
Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.
As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.
Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.
I didn't see the game but have heard and read a number of reports on it. All of them made reference to Antrim being the exact opposite of "extremely economical up front". Interested how your view differs.
Have it recorded. Probably won't watch it back.
I said for a long time Antrim were economical up front. They made the most out of a small number of attacks in the first half. Scored 6 times from 8 shots is something like that. Cavan by comparison scored 5 times from probably 12 shots on goal. That difference kept Antrim in the game.
In the second half Antrim kicked a load of wides and missed a goal opportunity and the game drifted away slowly. I
I thought Antrim had control more in the second half, and definitely seemed to have more possession, but some of their decision making was poor and their shooting wasn't up to scratch either, but definitely progressive and lots of positive signs there. Some work on the final third of the pitch and Antrim will be in a good place next year.
Cavan seemed that bit more experienced and had taken the majority of their chances when it mattered most. McKiernans catch in midfield, pass, support play and score was great to watch. Simple, direct and a great score.
For Cavan however, Antrim were very wasteful and they cannot afford to give their next round opponents the same level of possession on the ball, or they'll have an early winter ;)
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Quote from: Itchy on November 07, 2020, 03:06:03 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.
Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.
As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.
Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.
Well we are lucky the ref didn't give him a yellow as he already had one so we got a 10 minute sin bin instead of 35 mins with 14 men. Gunner brings great physicality but also great stupidity to the team. To be on a yellow and to do that us just off the wall stupid. And its not like we haven't been here before is it?
I fancy Fermanagh today, they are waiting in the long grass for Down.
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Quote from: Itchy on November 07, 2020, 03:06:03 PM
Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.
Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.
As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.
Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.
Well we are lucky the ref didn't give him a yellow as he already had one so we got a 10 minute sin bin instead of 35 mins with 14 men. Gunner brings great physicality but also great stupidity to the team. To be on a yellow and to do that us just off the wall stupid. And its not like we haven't been here before is it?
I fancy Fermanagh today, they are waiting in the long grass for Down.
Is a yellow and a black card not a red anyway or has that changed?
Funny game today .
Not a lot of chat about it .
Fermanagh missing 8 players from last year's starting team .
Down have won promotion from division 3 but have absentees of their own.
This won't be pretty , plenty of men behind the ball but I think Fermanagh could just shade it. Midfield will be crucial and I think we hold the upper hand there.
Tomas Corrigan has shown definite signs that he is getting back to himself and if he can hit 6 or 7 points I think we will sneak it by a point or two
Quote from: FermGael on November 08, 2020, 11:09:02 AM
Funny game today .
Not a lot of chat about it .
Fermanagh missing 8 players from last year's starting team .
Down have won promotion from division 3 but have absentees of their own.
This won't be pretty , plenty of men behind the ball but I think Fermanagh could just shade it. Midfield will be crucial and I think we hold the upper hand there.
Tomas Corrigan has shown definite signs that he is getting back to himself and if he can hit 6 or 7 points I think we will sneak it by a point or two
Its the fermanagh midfielder im most concerned about, they seem very strong there, and its been a major problem for Down this past few years lack of ability to win their own kick outs or even put pressure on opponents kick outs. However that said I hate conceding the opposition kicksout, but I think Down will do just that today.
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Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.
Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.
As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.
Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.
Well we are lucky the ref didn't give him a yellow as he already had one so we got a 10 minute sin bin instead of 35 mins with 14 men. Gunner brings great physicality but also great stupidity to the team. To be on a yellow and to do that us just off the wall stupid. And its not like we haven't been here before is it?
I fancy Fermanagh today, they are waiting in the long grass for Down.
Is a yellow and a black card not a red anyway or has that changed?
Yeah, I'm not sure he was yellow carded though in first place
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Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.
Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.
As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.
Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.
Well we are lucky the ref didn't give him a yellow as he already had one so we got a 10 minute sin bin instead of 35 mins with 14 men. Gunner brings great physicality but also great stupidity to the team. To be on a yellow and to do that us just off the wall stupid. And its not like we haven't been here before is it?
I fancy Fermanagh today, they are waiting in the long grass for Down.
Is a yellow and a black card not a red anyway or has that changed?
Yeah, I'm not sure he was yellow carded though in first place
I don't think the yellow + black = red rule is there anymore although I xould be wrong. I'm almost certain gunner was booked in 1st half
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Really sloppy performance from Cavan and if Antrim had a bit more quality they couldve won. I thought the ref was good. Black cards were all correct bar maybe Oisin Kiernans which he had little chance to get out of the way. Just glad to get over that game and the nature of win will certainly suck away expectations of the cavan support.
Disagree about the ref, Gunner's was a yellow card. Black card is for cynical play. It wasnt designed for a player swinging another player around to the ground during a tussle in a break in play. Stupid by Gunner, but not a black.
As for Oisin Kiernan, where was he meant to go? Very harsh black.
Cavan had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that game. Antrim made it very hard for us and for a long time were extremely economical up front. Cavan arent good enough to put poor teams away. But got it done that's the main thing.
Well we are lucky the ref didn't give him a yellow as he already had one so we got a 10 minute sin bin instead of 35 mins with 14 men. Gunner brings great physicality but also great stupidity to the team. To be on a yellow and to do that us just off the wall stupid. And its not like we haven't been here before is it?
I fancy Fermanagh today, they are waiting in the long grass for Down.
Is a yellow and a black card not a red anyway or has that changed?
Yeah, I'm not sure he was yellow carded though in first place
I don't think the yellow + black = red rule is there anymore although I xould be wrong. I'm almost certain gunner was booked in 1st half
Yellow and black = RED is still a rule
Turgid stuff.
Brutal tactics being deployed, particularly from Fermanagh - Donegal or Armagh would coast past either of these sides and Cavan
Down have a few tidy enough players but not quite at the level of the top teams overall. Fermanagh have been like this for a few years - they lack real threat do have to set up ultra defensively.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 08, 2020, 02:59:38 PM
Down have a few tidy enough players but not quite at the level of the top teams overall. Fermanagh have been like this for a few years - they lack real threat do have to set up ultra defensively.
Agree. Down have always had handy,quick forwards. Probably too harsh to judge McMenamin after this campaign but would be expecting much better next year.
With how many cases they had etc I would say he needs a good bit more time. Down and Cavan should be a much more interesting game - has the makings of a good one that. I maybe just fancy down but suspect they'd be similar levels.
That was a bad a second half as I have seen from Fermanagh in quite a while.
We made Down look like world beaters.
Quote from: tintin25 on November 08, 2020, 02:51:52 PM
Brutal tactics being deployed, particularly from Fermanagh - Donegal or Armagh would coast past either of these sides and Cavan
Yep, not pretty to watch. Down much better the second half and crucially have a lot more pace.
Donegal at full strength would definitely dispatch Down handy enough. Im not so sure about Armagh or Cavan(ive a feeling there at a similar level to Down). I guess next weekend will tell the tell.
Unfortunately with Covid 19, key players could be missing. That could make all the difference
Given this weekends games, Armagh v Donegal shaping up to be the Ulster Final, with Donegal the Champions-Elect at this stage.
Quote from: balladmaker on November 08, 2020, 03:43:42 PM
Given this weekends games, Armagh v Donegal shaping up to be the Ulster Final, with Donegal the Champions-Elect at this stage.
Given how both games went, I would tend to agree.
Down seemed to have that bit more in them today, but based on the style of play employed, it would be more of a token final appearance between themselves and Cavan.
Moooney sparked a bit of magic to create the goal which gave Down the impetus to kick on, but if they play a first half of football like that against Donegal/Armagh they are toast.
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Quote from: balladmaker on November 08, 2020, 03:43:42 PM
Given this weekends games, Armagh v Donegal shaping up to be the Ulster Final, with Donegal the Champions-Elect at this stage.
Given how both games went, I would tend to agree.
Down seemed to have that bit more in them today, but based on the style of play employed, it would be more of a token final appearance between themselves and Cavan.
Moooney sparked a bit of magic to create the goal which gave Down the impetus to kick on, but if they play a first half of football like that against Donegal/Armagh they are toast.
really sticking your necks out with the donegal prediction lads ;)
Donegal are one of the top 5 teams in the country, the other 3 teams are not near their level.
However, if Armagh stay in touch with Donegal they might just get a last minute goal, such things have been known to happen to top teams.
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However, if Armagh stay in touch with Donegal they might just get a last minute goal, such things have been known to happen to top teams.
They need a night like Cork had
I dunno lads, that Down team def can get better and if they beat Cavan they could be dangerous in the final. My worry for Cavan if they beat Down they'll be out four weeks on the trot and Ulster final could be too much and mighten have the legs for it.
If Armagh was to beat Donegal next Sat it would become a 50/50 final with either Cavan or Down but if Donegal win against Armagh they'll be hot favourites
Quote from: illdecide on November 08, 2020, 10:09:11 PM
I dunno lads, that Down team def can get better and if they beat Cavan they could be dangerous in the final. My worry for Cavan if they beat Down they'll be out four weeks on the trot and Ulster final could be too much and mighten have the legs for it.
If Armagh was to beat Donegal next Sat it would become a 50/50 final with either Cavan or Down but if Donegal win against Armagh they'll be hot favourites
Cavan have already been out 4 weeks on the trot, if they make the final it will be 6.
Down installed as favourites by the bookies which will suit Cavan fine I think. Few of our lads like niall Murray getting bit more into the legs and I think conor madden might be back next weekend so I do think its set up for Cavan. It'll be tight but I think Cavan by 1 or 2 points.
Oisin McConville wants a few thousand allowed attend the Ulster final. He should look at the number of cases in the North. Its worse then the 26, and the crowds cant attend in Repiblic. Not even 200 would be possible
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Oisin McConville wants a few thousand allowed attend the Ulster final. He should look at the number of cases in the North. Its worse then the 26, and the crowds cant attend in Repiblic. Not even 200 would be possible
In fairness, i think for example, if families of the players were put into the ground in pods and kept even 10 meters apart from other pods there would be no issue. It is outdoors after all. Its probably just not worth the hassle from the GAA perspective but I think it would be nice for the players. You could probably get a few hundred in that way but not a few thousand.
It probably wouldn't matter so much for Donegal but if Cavan, Armagh or Down were to win an Ulster title in an empty stadium it would be a travesty. Not sure if there's a good way around it but it would be a real shame.
Pundits should not be advocating crowds at games. We've heard it with soccer and GAA. It's not something they should be spouting, as it sends out the wrong message.
Quote from: Westside on November 11, 2020, 01:32:24 PM
It probably wouldn't matter so much for Donegal but if Cavan, Armagh or Down were to win an Ulster title in an empty stadium it would be a travesty. Not sure if there's a good way around it but it would be a real shame.
After 23 years waiting, I'd gladly take a travesty.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 11, 2020, 01:38:55 PM
Pundits should not be advocating crowds at games. We've heard it with soccer and GAA. It's not something they should be spouting, as it sends out the wrong message.
I fully agree. Oisin has a profile. Covid is a serious issue. He shouldn't use his profile to guess. He needs to be sure
NI play their Euro qualifier tomorrow night - 1000 fans are allowed to attend.
What is the difference?
Quote from: Taylor on November 11, 2020, 02:24:48 PM
NI play their Euro qualifier tomorrow night - 1000 fans are allowed to attend.
What is the difference?
Unionists don't spread or catch Covid, according to Edwin Poots.
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Quote from: Taylor on November 11, 2020, 02:24:48 PM
NI play their Euro qualifier tomorrow night - 1000 fans are allowed to attend.
What is the difference?
Unionists don't spread or catch Covid, according to Edwin Poots.
Yet, given the age profile of deaths, I wonder who the deceased had voted for.
If SF introduced a disease that killed all OAPs then they probably have a majority, but it is the DUP who is doing this!
Quote from: Taylor on November 11, 2020, 02:24:48 PM
NI play their Euro qualifier tomorrow night - 1000 fans are allowed to attend.
What is the difference?
Its all about the 'flag' isn't it ... hardly surprising
Armagh totally outclassed today. Donegal at a different level. For Tyrone it puts their defeat in perspective. You would have to say at this stage probably the only team left capable of beating Dublin.
Don't care what the bookies are saying Down have it all to do to win tomorrow. Cavan have a serious advantage at midfield at that will probably decide the outcome.
Should be a close enough affair with Cavan to shade it.
Quote from: grounded on November 14, 2020, 07:14:43 PM
Armagh totally outclassed today. Donegal at a different level. For Tyrone it puts their defeat in perspective. You would have to say at this stage probably the only team left capable of beating Dublin.
Don't care what the bookies are saying Down have it all to do to win tomorrow. Cavan have a serious advantage at midfield at that will probably decide the outcome.
Should be a close enough affair with Cavan to shade it.
Down have some natural forwards though and that's why I'd edge for them.
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Quote from: grounded on November 14, 2020, 07:14:43 PM
Armagh totally outclassed today. Donegal at a different level. For Tyrone it puts their defeat in perspective. You would have to say at this stage probably the only team left capable of beating Dublin.
Don't care what the bookies are saying Down have it all to do to win tomorrow. Cavan have a serious advantage at midfield at that will probably decide the outcome.
Should be a close enough affair with Cavan to shade it.
Down have some natural forwards though and that's why I'd edge for them.
Thats a slightly strange assessment. Same could have been said for monaghan who have forwards way better than Down. I think the main 2 arguments for a Down win are 1) Cavan are out 5 weeks in a row while down only played 2 games in the same time, 1 with a B team and 2) They looked impressive beating Fermanagh while Cavan looked jaded against antrim
For me No 1 can work both ways, cavan looked fit in all their games finishing strong and matches bring fitness too. We won't know for sure until this game is over. On No2 yes Cavan were poor against Antrim but what sort of a state were Fermanagh in? Not good im told. I find the odds a bit strange but delighted for Cavan to be outsiders. I also think we've the advantage on the line in Graham.
I'd fancy Cavan to win by a point or two
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I'd fancy Cavan to win by a point or two
They'd need to buck up.
The Athletic grounds is a bit muddy, what other games were there recently?
Quote from: grounded on November 14, 2020, 07:14:43 PM
Armagh totally outclassed today. Donegal at a different level. For Tyrone it puts their defeat in perspective. You would have to say at this stage probably the only team left capable of beating Dublin.
Don't care what the bookies are saying Down have it all to do to win tomorrow. Cavan have a serious advantage at midfield at that will probably decide the outcome.
Should be a close enough affair with Cavan to shade it.
Looks like Down have done it all by half time.
Very disappointed with this from cavan, never got going and down are the opposite and playing with great confidence and pace. No coming back from this.
Down have natural forwards where as Cavan don't.
Mooney has been absolutely sensational, his forward runs are hurting Cavan everytime but the amount of quality defensive work he has done has been terrific.
Cavan still in this. You can't touch a goalie in the square mind you so to me no penalty.
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Quote from: grounded on November 14, 2020, 07:14:43 PM
Armagh totally outclassed today. Donegal at a different level. For Tyrone it puts their defeat in perspective. You would have to say at this stage probably the only team left capable of beating Dublin.
Don't care what the bookies are saying Down have it all to do to win tomorrow. Cavan have a serious advantage at midfield at that will probably decide the outcome.
Should be a close enough affair with Cavan to shade it.
Looks like Down have done it all by half time.
Christsake, kiss of death
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Down showing frailties here. Missed 2 or 3 goal chances and now getting it tight. I thought there wasnt a big lot between Cavan, Down and Armagh before this weekend.
Im afraid Donegal on current form would beat the pick of them.
BBC have excellent pundits, not so sure about the commentary. Niblock is pedantic, "Down now have the football", "this football match is more even now". WTF, what other sort of ball or match is going on in front of us?
Tally's odds for the Tyrone gig lengthing big time
Going to give donegal 10 point lead at the start for the final. Well done to the lads, magnificent 2nd half
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Quote from: macdanger2 on November 15, 2020, 10:24:29 AM
I'd fancy Cavan to win by a point or two
They'd need to buck up.
The Athletic grounds is a bit muddy, what other games were there recently?
Never doubted it 8)
Some comeback in fairness. Donegal will ate them alive though
Down absolutely butchered that, they had a number of goal chances at the end of the first half, start of the second that would have killed off the game but didn't take them.
I would be furious if I was a Down player though at the referee, tackling was being refereed completely different at opposite ends of the pitch in that second half.
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Yes it can't be done. My assuming is that the ref had made his decision it was a penalty at the least but wanted to make sure the ball hadn't crossed the line legally to award a goal instead. But looking at the other decisions he made during the game, Down mark inside 45 leading to goal, Cavan getting a free for their winning point despite clearly touching the ball on the ground, i wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know what his decision was.
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Good refereeing again, he made the right decision. Same as the Donegal Tyrone game the correct decision made. This time the down man clearly lifts the ball off the ground. In the other game the Donegal man doesn't touch the ball on the ground with his hands. It does touch his elbow but not his hands.
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Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Yes it can't be done. My assuming is that the ref had made his decision it was a penalty at the least but wanted to make sure the ball hadn't crossed the line legally to award a goal instead. But looking at the other decisions he made during the game, Down mark inside 45 leading to goal, Cavan getting a free for their winning point despite clearly touching the ball on the ground, i wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know what his decision was.
He blew up with issuing any signal and consulted with the umpire.
He acted on his umpire's word.
He made the right decision, if that happened in Ballybofey a couple of weeks ago then Tyrone would have got a penalty.
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls
As for the umpires it's still not their call, they didn't blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?
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Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Good refereeing again, he made the right decision. Same as the Donegal Tyrone game the correct decision made. This time the down man clearly lifts the ball off the ground. In the other game the Donegal man doesn't touch the ball on the ground with his hands. It does touch his elbow but not his hands.
The old Derry bitterness getting in your way again Lenny, what else would you expect from a Derry man that spends more time lurking around the Tyrone forums than following his own county - it's no wonder Derry football is at an all time low.
It was a certain penalty in Ballybofey, you need to learn the rules.
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Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls
As for the umpires it's still not their call, they didn't blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?
He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.
If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls
As for the umpires it's still not their call, they didn't blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?
He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.
If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.
He blew his whistle. The umpires don't have whistles, you do know that? The umpires don't make those decisions, you know the rules?
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Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls
As for the umpires it's still not their call, they didn't blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?
He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.
If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.
He blew his whistle. The umpires don't have whistles, you do know that? The umpires don't make those decisions, you know the rules?
Yes.
He blew his whistle and made no signal. He went to his umpire and asked him what he saw and gave a penalty as a result.
If there referee does the same in Ballybofey it's a Tyrone penalty.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:31:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls
As for the umpires it's still not their call, they didn't blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?
He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.
If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.
He blew his whistle. The umpires don't have whistles, you do know that? The umpires don't make those decisions, you know the rules?
So the penalty shouldn't have stood? Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:31:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls
As for the umpires it's still not their call, they didn't blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?
He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.
If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.
He blew his whistle. The umpires don't have whistles, you do know that? The umpires don't make those decisions, you know the rules?
So the penalty shouldn't have stood? Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.
Was outside the line to gain advantage free out. But hey Angelo will tell me different, he knows the rules ya know!
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:31:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls
As for the umpires it's still not their call, they didn't blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?
He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.
If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.
He blew his whistle. The umpires don't have whistles, you do know that? The umpires don't make those decisions, you know the rules?
So the penalty shouldn't have stood? Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.
Was outside the line to gain advantage free out. But hey Angelo will tell me different, he knows the rules ya know!
You're a bit sour. You told us the umpire had no role in award penalties for handling the ball on the ground.
Maybe you should inform the referee today on that.
I said the ref got it wrong.. whatever way you want to look at it.. umpires have no authority. I really don't see how you can keep making things up that ain't true
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Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls
As for the umpires it's still not their call, they didn't blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?
He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.
If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.
He blew his whistle. The umpires don't have whistles, you do know that? The umpires don't make those decisions, you know the rules?
So the penalty shouldn't have stood? Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.
Was outside the line to gain advantage free out. But hey Angelo will tell me different, he knows the rules ya know!
Does that apply in hurling Milltown? And if so when did the rule change? We were always coached to stand behind the line for 70s and keep the ball in play if it was going wide. Never saw it blew for a free in my life. Saw it blew for a square ball if you came into play too soon but that's another rule.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:41:13 PM
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Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:29:45 PM
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Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls
As for the umpires it's still not their call, they didn't blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?
He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.
If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.
He blew his whistle. The umpires don't have whistles, you do know that? The umpires don't make those decisions, you know the rules?
So the penalty shouldn't have stood? Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.
Was outside the line to gain advantage free out. But hey Angelo will tell me different, he knows the rules ya know!
Does that apply in hurling Milltown? And if so when did the rule change? We were always coached to stand behind the line for 70s and keep the ball in play if it was going wide. Never saw it blew for a free in my life. Saw it blew for a square ball if you came into play too soon but that's another rule.
A good while now, it's one of those questions that comes up when we are doing our rules test practicing
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:45:38 PM
I said the ref got it wrong.. whatever way you want to look at it.. umpires have no authority. I really don't see how you can keep making things up that ain't true
It's just sour grapes from Angela. Donegal were far the better side v Tyrone and he's clutching at the few straws he can get his hands on. Well done to Cavan today. Brilliant comeback. Down have some fast young players and they're improving also.
Be worth reading this
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/ul9vfetopu5mp8pg9svq.pdf
4.34 To deliberately go outside the boundary lines to
gain an advantage except as provided in Rule
1.9.
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Quote from: Orior on November 15, 2020, 02:14:01 PM
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Armagh totally outclassed today. Donegal at a different level. For Tyrone it puts their defeat in perspective. You would have to say at this stage probably the only team left capable of beating Dublin.
Don't care what the bookies are saying Down have it all to do to win tomorrow. Cavan have a serious advantage at midfield at that will probably decide the outcome.
Should be a close enough affair with Cavan to shade it.
Looks like Down have done it all by half time.
Christsake, kiss of death
Whoops.
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Quote from: grounded on November 14, 2020, 07:14:43 PM
Armagh totally outclassed today. Donegal at a different level. For Tyrone it puts their defeat in perspective. You would have to say at this stage probably the only team left capable of beating Dublin.
Don't care what the bookies are saying Down have it all to do to win tomorrow. Cavan have a serious advantage at midfield at that will probably decide the outcome.
Should be a close enough affair with Cavan to shade it.
Looks like Down have done it all by half time.
Christsake, kiss of death
Whoops.
Cheers Orior.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on November 15, 2020, 03:38:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:31:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls
As for the umpires it's still not their call, they didn't blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?
He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.
If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.
He blew his whistle. The umpires don't have whistles, you do know that? The umpires don't make those decisions, you know the rules?
So the penalty shouldn't have stood? Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.
Was outside the line to gain advantage free out. But hey Angelo will tell me different, he knows the rules ya know!
Here MR2, what are the 3 rules that people don't know correctly?
We should have a thread on refereeing rules!
Quote from: marty34 on November 15, 2020, 04:07:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on November 15, 2020, 03:38:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:31:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls
As for the umpires it's still not their call, they didn't blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?
He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.
If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.
He blew his whistle. The umpires don't have whistles, you do know that? The umpires don't make those decisions, you know the rules?
So the penalty shouldn't have stood? Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.
Was outside the line to gain advantage free out. But hey Angelo will tell me different, he knows the rules ya know!
Here MR2, what are the 3 rules that people don't know correctly?
We should have a thread on refereeing rules!
Christ there's some rules that I'm left scratching my head at, the best one is the ref can't change his mind once he makes a decision! Regardless of whether it's complete wrong
Quote from: lenny on November 15, 2020, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:45:38 PM
I said the ref got it wrong.. whatever way you want to look at it.. umpires have no authority. I really don't see how you can keep making things up that ain't true
It's just sour grapes from Angela. Donegal were far the better side v Tyrone and he's clutching at the few straws he can get his hands on. Well done to Cavan today. Brilliant comeback. Down have some fast young players and they're improving also.
You're the one permanently sour, constantly lurking about the Tyrone forums like a voyeur.
It should have been a penalty in Ballybofey for Tyrone two weeks ago.
Fine comeback win for Cavan, plenty of character in their team. Two Ulster finals in a row for the first time since the 60s is a sure sign of progress under Mickey Graham.
Mickey Graham has done a wonderful job with Cavan when you look at the resources available to him. Losing a player like McVeetey and the absence of natural forwards in their team puts them at a significant advantage but he's got them to back to back Ulster finals by beating what I would regard as superior teams in Monghan x2, Armagh and Down along the way.
He's clearly fostered a good spirt in the camp, it's a shame he can't get all the best players in the county available to him. It's a long time since Cavan can say they have all their best men involved in a given season.
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: lenny on November 15, 2020, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 03:45:38 PM
I said the ref got it wrong.. whatever way you want to look at it.. umpires have no authority. I really don't see how you can keep making things up that ain't true
It's just sour grapes from Angela. Donegal were far the better side v Tyrone and he's clutching at the few straws he can get his hands on. Well done to Cavan today. Brilliant comeback. Down have some fast young players and they're improving also.
You're the one permanently sour, constantly lurking about the Tyrone forums like a voyeur.
It should have been a penalty in Ballybofey for Tyrone two weeks ago.
The game is over now so it doesn't make any difference, it's just down to opinions. If you watch the incident again closely you'll see he does touch the ball while it's on the ground but not with his hand, therefore not a penalty. At the end of the day Donegal were the better side comfortably but if a couple of Tyrone players had more belief in themselves they could've got in for goals and that's the main difference, not a marginal call from a referee.
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 04:22:20 PM
Mickey Graham has done a wonderful job with Cavan when you look at the resources available to him. Losing a player like McVeetey and the absence of natural forwards in their team puts them at a significant advantage but he's got them to back to back Ulster finals by beating what I would regard as superior teams in Monghan x2, Armagh and Down along the way.
He's clearly fostered a good spirt in the camp, it's a shame he can't get all the best players in the county available to him. It's a long time since Cavan can say they have all their best men involved in a given season.
Monaghan an established Div 1 perhaps but Armagh last year and Down currently superior? i think not. Cavan winning 4 in a row U21 Ulster titles 2011 to 2014 is finally showing some consistency at senior championship level.
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 04:22:20 PM
Mickey Graham has done a wonderful job with Cavan when you look at the resources available to him. Losing a player like McVeetey and the absence of natural forwards in their team puts them at a significant advantage but he's got them to back to back Ulster finals by beating what I would regard as superior teams in Monghan x2, Armagh and Down along the way.
He's clearly fostered a good spirt in the camp, it's a shame he can't get all the best players in the county available to him. It's a long time since Cavan can say they have all their best men involved in a given season.
Who was missing last year that would make an appreciable difference?
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:20:23 PM
Down absolutely butchered that, they had a number of goal chances at the end of the first half, start of the second that would have killed off the game but didn't take them.
I would be furious if I was a Down player though at the referee, tackling was being refereed completely different at opposite ends of the pitch in that second half.
::) if only then Angelos prediction would have come to pass and all would be well with the world. Its was a definite penalty and if you want to split hairs Downs goal came from an incorrectly awarded Mark and Cavan were pulled back from a goal chance when advantage should have been played.
Quote from: Itchy on November 15, 2020, 04:53:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:20:23 PM
Down absolutely butchered that, they had a number of goal chances at the end of the first half, start of the second that would have killed off the game but didn't take them.
I would be furious if I was a Down player though at the referee, tackling was being refereed completely different at opposite ends of the pitch in that second half.
::) if only then Angelos prediction would have come to pass and all would be well with the world. Its was a definite penalty and if you want to split hairs Downs goal came from an incorrectly awarded Mark and Cavan were pulled back from a goal chance when advantage should have been played.
I know as a supporter you want to believe it was a penalty, but technically it was a free out
Can't believe we lost that; should have been even further ahead at half-time, Martin Reilly getting black card when we were 9 pts up. BTW I hope Martin Reilly gets an All-Star this year, he has been a wonderful player fro years. Mooney, Kerr, Johnson were running riot in the first 25 mins, disappeared after that. One of our subs could have called a mark from 25 yds out, played on and flopped it into keepers hands. Should have known not to get my hopes up
Quote from: befair on November 15, 2020, 05:20:01 PM
Can't believe we lost that; should have been even further ahead at half-time, Martin Reilly getting black card when we were 9 pts up. BTW I hope Martin Reilly gets an All-Star this year, he has been a wonderful player fro years. Mooney, Kerr, Johnson were running riot in the first 25 mins, disappeared after that. One of our subs could have called a mark from 25 yds out, played on and flopped it into keepers hands. Should have known not to get my hopes up
Was baffling as to why he didn't call that mark..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 15, 2020, 04:53:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 03:20:23 PM
Down absolutely butchered that, they had a number of goal chances at the end of the first half, start of the second that would have killed off the game but didn't take them.
I would be furious if I was a Down player though at the referee, tackling was being refereed completely different at opposite ends of the pitch in that second half.
::) if only then Angelos prediction would have come to pass and all would be well with the world. Its was a definite penalty and if you want to split hairs Downs goal came from an incorrectly awarded Mark and Cavan were pulled back from a goal chance when advantage should have been played.
I know as a supporter you want to believe it was a penalty, but technically it was a free out
Just watched it back there and amazingly in the run up to every single score there were technical fouls which the ref missed, too many steps, players pushing and pulling etc. The game should have actually been 0-0 to 0-0 and gone to extra time. Absolute scandal, ref was a disgrace.
Quote from: befair on November 15, 2020, 05:20:01 PM
Can't believe we lost that; should have been even further ahead at half-time, Martin Reilly getting black card when we were 9 pts up. BTW I hope Martin Reilly gets an All-Star this year, he has been a wonderful player fro years. Mooney, Kerr, Johnson were running riot in the first 25 mins, disappeared after that. One of our subs could have called a mark from 25 yds out, played on and flopped it into keepers hands. Should have known not to get my hopes up
No complaints about the ref btw
I can see why the ref give it, I understand his view on it, real time and all that, but it was incorrect. It happens in all games, the ref players and managers make mistakes.
There would have been no complaints had he given a free out.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
I can see why the ref give it, I understand his view on it, real time and all that, but it was incorrect. It happens in all games, the ref players and managers make mistakes.
There would have been no complaints had he given a free out.
sorry can you explain again what the foul was?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: befair on November 15, 2020, 05:20:01 PM
Can't believe we lost that; should have been even further ahead at half-time, Martin Reilly getting black card when we were 9 pts up. BTW I hope Martin Reilly gets an All-Star this year, he has been a wonderful player fro years. Mooney, Kerr, Johnson were running riot in the first 25 mins, disappeared after that. One of our subs could have called a mark from 25 yds out, played on and flopped it into keepers hands. Should have known not to get my hopes up
Was baffling as to why he didn't call that mark..
Or slipped it over the top to the man through free on goal.
Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2020, 05:40:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
I can see why the ref give it, I understand his view on it, real time and all that, but it was incorrect. It happens in all games, the ref players and managers make mistakes.
There would have been no complaints had he given a free out.
sorry can you explain again what the foul was?
It's been explained, a player can't come from behind end line to gain an advantage, the Cavan lad did that to push the ball from keepers hands, which lead to the Down lad picking ball off the ground
Didn't see the game but must hve been some 2nd half by Cavan?
That's 2 big comebacks in 3 games.
Must be great team spirit and fitness.
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 15, 2020, 06:22:10 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.
Yes, decisions balanced themselves out. Down have no one to blame but themselves. Fair play to Cavan on comeback.
I'd love to see them win Ulster as they have a great spirit about them. But Donegal are too strong.
Quote from: grounded on November 15, 2020, 06:29:54 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 15, 2020, 06:22:10 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.
Yes, decisions balanced themselves out. Down have no one to blame but themselves. Fair play to Cavan on comeback.
I'd love to see them win Ulster as they have a great spirit about them. But Donegal are too strong.
My point was with Angelo saying the umpires made the decision. They can't make that call, it's always the refs call, he blew the whistle and went in for confirmation, which is fine
Do we know what the ref spoke to the umpires about? Is it possible that he spotted the pick up and blew the whistle.. and he was just checking the legality of another incident, before being sure that he could give the penalty? ie asking the umpire if the Cavan player came from behind the line or asking if the keeper was tackled in the small square?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 05:43:41 PM
Quote from: trileacman on November 15, 2020, 05:40:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
I can see why the ref give it, I understand his view on it, real time and all that, but it was incorrect. It happens in all games, the ref players and managers make mistakes.
There would have been no complaints had he given a free out.
sorry can you explain again what the foul was?
It's been explained, a player can't come from behind end line to gain an advantage, the Cavan lad did that to push the ball from keepers hands, which lead to the Down lad picking ball off the ground
Where is that in the rule book?
Quote from: Estimator on November 15, 2020, 06:32:16 PM
Do we know what the ref spoke to the umpires about? Is it possible that he spotted the pick up and blew the whistle.. and he was just checking the legality of another incident, before being sure that he could give the penalty? ie asking the umpire if the Cavan player came from behind the line or asking if the keeper was tackled in the small square?
We don't know, but what was clear was he was behind the keeper, so either the rule of coming in behind the line or square ball would do
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Quote from: Nanderson on November 15, 2020, 04:01:49 PM
4.34 To deliberately go outside the boundary lines to
gain an advantage except as provided in Rule
1.9.
Thanks. But that's not what happened here. He didn't deliberately go outside the boundary lines, he went out in the normal course of play along the end line and came back and rejoined the play. Perfectly legal.
Quote from: Blowitupref on November 15, 2020, 04:49:34 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 04:22:20 PM
Mickey Graham has done a wonderful job with Cavan when you look at the resources available to him. Losing a player like McVeetey and the absence of natural forwards in their team puts them at a significant advantage but he's got them to back to back Ulster finals by beating what I would regard as superior teams in Monghan x2, Armagh and Down along the way.
He's clearly fostered a good spirt in the camp, it's a shame he can't get all the best players in the county available to him. It's a long time since Cavan can say they have all their best men involved in a given season.
Monaghan an established Div 1 perhaps but Armagh last year and Down currently superior? i think not. Cavan winning 4 in a row U21 Ulster titles 2011 to 2014 is finally showing some consistency at senior championship level.
Definitely in terms of playing personnel I would say. Cavan are missing a hell of a lot of players who would be involved if they made themselves available. Guys like Givney, Moynagh, McVeetey immeadiately come to min and I'm sure the Cavan lads can fill in on the rest.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 06:31:55 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 15, 2020, 06:29:54 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 15, 2020, 06:22:10 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.
Yes, decisions balanced themselves out. Down have no one to blame but themselves. Fair play to Cavan on comeback.
I'd love to see them win Ulster as they have a great spirit about them. But Donegal are too strong.
My point was with Angelo saying the umpires made the decision. They can't make that call, it's always the refs call, he blew the whistle and went in for confirmation, which is fine
I was not.
I was saying the referee went to this umpire to make the call. You were saying umpires were incapable of getting involved in a decision in giving a penalty. You gave that reason two weeks ago.
The referee blew his whistle, consulted his umpire and gave a penalty for a pickup off the ground. That's a fact.
The referee could have done the same in Ballybofey two weeks ago and if he did it would certainly have resulted in a penalty but you told us the referee can't consult his umpire for that purpose.
Quote from: Estimator on November 15, 2020, 06:32:16 PM
Do we know what the ref spoke to the umpires about? Is it possible that he spotted the pick up and blew the whistle.. and he was just checking the legality of another incident, before being sure that he could give the penalty? ie asking the umpire if the Cavan player came from behind the line or asking if the keeper was tackled in the small square?
He surely would have signaled for a penalty if he gave the penalty. He didn't, he blew his whistle and went to the referee.
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Quote from: mrdeeds on November 15, 2020, 06:22:10 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.
Yes, decisions balanced themselves out. Down have no one to blame but themselves. Fair play to Cavan on comeback.
I'd love to see them win Ulster as they have a great spirit about them. But Donegal are too strong.
My point was with Angelo saying the umpires made the decision. They can't make that call, it's always the refs call, he blew the whistle and went in for confirmation, which is fine
I was not.
I was saying the referee went to this umpire to make the call. You were saying umpires were incapable of getting involved in a decision in giving a penalty. You gave that reason two weeks ago.
The referee blew his whistle, consulted his umpire and gave a penalty for a pickup off the ground. That's a fact.
The referee could have done the same in Ballybofey two weeks ago and if he did it would certainly have resulted in a penalty but you told us the referee can't consult his umpire for that purpose.
The Donegal player didn't pick the ball up. Nor did he touch the ball on the ground with his hands
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Quote from: mrdeeds on November 15, 2020, 06:22:10 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.
Yes, decisions balanced themselves out. Down have no one to blame but themselves. Fair play to Cavan on comeback.
I'd love to see them win Ulster as they have a great spirit about them. But Donegal are too strong.
My point was with Angelo saying the umpires made the decision. They can't make that call, it's always the refs call, he blew the whistle and went in for confirmation, which is fine
I was not.
I was saying the referee went to this umpire to make the call. You were saying umpires were incapable of getting involved in a decision in giving a penalty. You gave that reason two weeks ago.
The referee blew his whistle, consulted his umpire and gave a penalty for a pickup off the ground. That's a fact.
The referee could have done the same in Ballybofey two weeks ago and if he did it would certainly have resulted in a penalty but you told us the referee can't consult his umpire for that purpose.
The Donegal player didn't pick the ball up. Nor did he touch the ball on the ground with his hands
He absolutely did play the ball with his hands along the ground. 1000% played it along the ground with his hand. Clear as day.
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Quote from: Nanderson on November 15, 2020, 04:01:49 PM
4.34 To deliberately go outside the boundary lines to
gain an advantage except as provided in Rule
1.9.
Thanks. But that's not what happened here. He didn't deliberately go outside the boundary lines, he went out in the normal course of play along the end line and came back and rejoined the play. Perfectly legal.
Did he? I thought he deliberately left the pitch and came around the back of the square to avoid entering it before the ball.
He stepped outside then came in.
Regardless there's no complaints about the game as the Down goal had a mistake in there also.
Game of two half's and the best team won, you can't stop momentum!!
Angelo you haven't a clue what was said, the ref blew made the call got confirmation that's it, the umpires don't make decisions or blow whistles.
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Mickey Graham has done a wonderful job with Cavan when you look at the resources available to him. Losing a player like McVeetey and the absence of natural forwards in their team puts them at a significant advantage but he's got them to back to back Ulster finals by beating what I would regard as superior teams in Monghan x2, Armagh and Down along the way.
He's clearly fostered a good spirt in the camp, it's a shame he can't get all the best players in the county available to him. It's a long time since Cavan can say they have all their best men involved in a given season.
Monaghan an established Div 1 perhaps but Armagh last year and Down currently superior? i think not. Cavan winning 4 in a row U21 Ulster titles 2011 to 2014 is finally showing some consistency at senior championship level.
Definitely in terms of playing personnel I would say. Cavan are missing a hell of a lot of players who would be involved if they made themselves available. Guys like Givney, Moynagh, McVeetey immeadiately come to min and I'm sure the Cavan lads can fill in on the rest.
Givney is 31 and hasn't played for Cavan since 2016. Was anonymous in the Cavan Junior Championship this year. Moynagh and McVeety are really the only 2 lads missing worth talking about and they were both there last year.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 06:57:23 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 15, 2020, 06:47:55 PM
Quote from: Westside on November 15, 2020, 06:40:22 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 15, 2020, 06:37:26 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on November 15, 2020, 04:01:49 PM
4.34 To deliberately go outside the boundary lines to
gain an advantage except as provided in Rule
1.9.
Thanks. But that's not what happened here. He didn't deliberately go outside the boundary lines, he went out in the normal course of play along the end line and came back and rejoined the play. Perfectly legal.
Did he? I thought he deliberately left the pitch and came around the back of the square to avoid entering it before the ball.
He stepped outside then came in.
Regardless there's no complaints about the game as the Down goal had a mistake in there also.
Game of two half's and the best team won, you can't stop momentum!!
Angelo you haven't a clue what was said, the ref blew made the call got confirmation that's it, the umpires don't make decisions or blow whistles.
And neither do you.
He blew his whistle, went to the umpire and made his decision after consulting him.
You were saying umpires could not get involved in decisions to give penalties so it seems you're wrong or the referee was wrong today.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 06:57:23 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 15, 2020, 06:47:55 PM
Quote from: Westside on November 15, 2020, 06:40:22 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 15, 2020, 06:37:26 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on November 15, 2020, 04:01:49 PM
4.34 To deliberately go outside the boundary lines to
gain an advantage except as provided in Rule
1.9.
Thanks. But that's not what happened here. He didn't deliberately go outside the boundary lines, he went out in the normal course of play along the end line and came back and rejoined the play. Perfectly legal.
Did he? I thought he deliberately left the pitch and came around the back of the square to avoid entering it before the ball.
He stepped outside then came in.
Regardless there's no complaints about the game as the Down goal had a mistake in there also.
Game of two half's and the best team won, you can't stop momentum!!
Angelo you haven't a clue what was said, the ref blew made the call got confirmation that's it, the umpires don't make decisions or blow whistles.
The rule is doing it deliberately to gain an advantage. That's not what happened. By your reckoning you can't rejoin the play when you step over end line because doing so would gain an advantage. Absolute nonsense. A perfectly legal passage of play.
Not a legal passage of play, it's in the rule book, however daft that may be it is. It allowed him to be behind the keeper to illegally play the ball.
And Angelo if the ref blew his whistle without knowing what he was doing then he was wrong.
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Mickey Graham has done a wonderful job with Cavan when you look at the resources available to him. Losing a player like McVeetey and the absence of natural forwards in their team puts them at a significant advantage but he's got them to back to back Ulster finals by beating what I would regard as superior teams in Monghan x2, Armagh and Down along the way.
He's clearly fostered a good spirt in the camp, it's a shame he can't get all the best players in the county available to him. It's a long time since Cavan can say they have all their best men involved in a given season.
Monaghan an established Div 1 perhaps but Armagh last year and Down currently superior? i think not. Cavan winning 4 in a row U21 Ulster titles 2011 to 2014 is finally showing some consistency at senior championship level.
Definitely in terms of playing personnel I would say. Cavan are missing a hell of a lot of players who would be involved if they made themselves available. Guys like Givney, Moynagh, McVeetey immeadiately come to min and I'm sure the Cavan lads can fill in on the rest.
Givney is 31 and hasn't played for Cavan since 2016. Was anonymous in the Cavan Junior Championship this year. Moynagh and McVeety are really the only 2 lads missing worth talking about and they were both there last year.
There seems to be a big turnover in the squad from McGleenan, I was under the impression that it was mainly due to players making themselves unavailable. Here was the team from 2018 that played against Tyrone.
CAVAN: James Farrelly, Killian Brady, Conor Moynagh, Enda Flanagan, Ciaran Brady, Martin Reilly, Fergal Reilly, Dara McVeety, Killian Clarke, Oisin Kiernan, Gearoid McKiernan, Niall Murray, Conor Bradley, Cian Mackey, Sean Johnston.
Subs: Sean McCormack for Clarke (34 mins), Adrian Cole for Mackey (HT), Jason McLoughlin for Flanagan, Padraig Faulkner for Murray (both 44 mins), Caoimhin O'Reilly for Johnston (65), Mackey for K Brady (66).
Would be quite a few of those no longer involved? No.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 07:03:59 PM
And Angelo if the ref blew his whistle without knowing what he was doing then he was wrong.
That's exactly what he did.
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Quote from: grounded on November 15, 2020, 06:29:54 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 15, 2020, 06:22:10 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.
Yes, decisions balanced themselves out. Down have no one to blame but themselves. Fair play to Cavan on comeback.
I'd love to see them win Ulster as they have a great spirit about them. But Donegal are too strong.
My point was with Angelo saying the umpires made the decision. They can't make that call, it's always the refs call, he blew the whistle and went in for confirmation, which is fine
I was not.
I was saying the referee went to this umpire to make the call. You were saying umpires were incapable of getting involved in a decision in giving a penalty. You gave that reason two weeks ago.
The referee blew his whistle, consulted his umpire and gave a penalty for a pickup off the ground. That's a fact.
The referee could have done the same in Ballybofey two weeks ago and if he did it would certainly have resulted in a penalty but you told us the referee can't consult his umpire for that purpose.
The Donegal player didn't pick the ball up. Nor did he touch the ball on the ground with his hands
He absolutely did play the ball with his hands along the ground. 1000% played it along the ground with his hand. Clear as day.
The thought it hit his elbow, which wouldn't be a penalty. Granted I haven't replayed it as much as you maybe have done. Was it in the small square?
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Quote from: grounded on November 15, 2020, 06:29:54 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 15, 2020, 06:22:10 PM
Quit going on about the penalty. Sure Down's goal should never have been a mark.
Yes, decisions balanced themselves out. Down have no one to blame but themselves. Fair play to Cavan on comeback.
I'd love to see them win Ulster as they have a great spirit about them. But Donegal are too strong.
My point was with Angelo saying the umpires made the decision. They can't make that call, it's always the refs call, he blew the whistle and went in for confirmation, which is fine
I was not.
I was saying the referee went to this umpire to make the call. You were saying umpires were incapable of getting involved in a decision in giving a penalty. You gave that reason two weeks ago.
The referee blew his whistle, consulted his umpire and gave a penalty for a pickup off the ground. That's a fact.
The referee could have done the same in Ballybofey two weeks ago and if he did it would certainly have resulted in a penalty but you told us the referee can't consult his umpire for that purpose.
The Donegal player didn't pick the ball up. Nor did he touch the ball on the ground with his hands
He absolutely did play the ball with his hands along the ground. 1000% played it along the ground with his hand. Clear as day.
The thought it hit his elbow, which wouldn't be a penalty. Granted I haven't replayed it as much as you maybe have done. Was it in the small square?
Wasn't his elbow, should have been a penalty.
Look it wasn't the losing of the game, Harte had a glorious goal chance in the same passage of play and blew it. But it's frustrating when you see two similar instances and referees doing two completely different things. The referee arrived at the right decision today regardless of how he did it. He didn't make the right decision in Ballybofey.
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Mickey Graham has done a wonderful job with Cavan when you look at the resources available to him. Losing a player like McVeetey and the absence of natural forwards in their team puts them at a significant advantage but he's got them to back to back Ulster finals by beating what I would regard as superior teams in Monghan x2, Armagh and Down along the way.
He's clearly fostered a good spirt in the camp, it's a shame he can't get all the best players in the county available to him. It's a long time since Cavan can say they have all their best men involved in a given season.
Monaghan an established Div 1 perhaps but Armagh last year and Down currently superior? i think not. Cavan winning 4 in a row U21 Ulster titles 2011 to 2014 is finally showing some consistency at senior championship level.
Definitely in terms of playing personnel I would say. Cavan are missing a hell of a lot of players who would be involved if they made themselves available. Guys like Givney, Moynagh, McVeetey immeadiately come to min and I'm sure the Cavan lads can fill in on the rest.
Givney is 31 and hasn't played for Cavan since 2016. Was anonymous in the Cavan Junior Championship this year. Moynagh and McVeety are really the only 2 lads missing worth talking about and they were both there last year.
There seems to be a big turnover in the squad from McGleenan, I was under the impression that it was mainly due to players making themselves unavailable. Here was the team from 2018 that played against Tyrone.
CAVAN: James Farrelly, Killian Brady, Conor Moynagh, Enda Flanagan, Ciaran Brady, Martin Reilly, Fergal Reilly, Dara McVeety, Killian Clarke, Oisin Kiernan, Gearoid McKiernan, Niall Murray, Conor Bradley, Cian Mackey, Sean Johnston.
Subs: Sean McCormack for Clarke (34 mins), Adrian Cole for Mackey (HT), Jason McLoughlin for Flanagan, Padraig Faulkner for Murray (both 44 mins), Caoimhin O'Reilly for Johnston (65), Mackey for K Brady (66).
Would be quite a few of those no longer involved? No.
Yes but who of the lads that were there would be making the Cavan team? Moynagh and McVeety only.
In Cavan, your ability goes up the longer you aren't on the team. We are missing 2 starting players, there are lots of lads in the county who could possibly be as good as some of the lads on the bench and a couple on the team but we are not being hampered by our inability to get players to commit.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 07:03:59 PM
Not a legal passage of play, it's in the rule book, however daft that may be it is. It allowed him to be behind the keeper to illegally play the ball.
And Angelo if the ref blew his whistle without knowing what he was doing then he was wrong.
It is in the rule book that it must be deliberately done to gain an advantage. Clearly not the case here.
If he didn't pick it up (and he did) with the ball in his possession he carried it over the goal line too. Mackey and rehill (a debutant last yr) also missing this yr. Killian Clarke opted out due to work but with covid and working from home he came back in again.
Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 07:04:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 07:03:59 PM
And Angelo if the ref blew his whistle without knowing what he was doing then he was wrong.
That's exactly what he did.
I highlighted it there for you.
Refs make mistakes
Quote from: Westside on November 15, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 07:03:59 PM
Not a legal passage of play, it's in the rule book, however daft that may be it is. It allowed him to be behind the keeper to illegally play the ball.
And Angelo if the ref blew his whistle without knowing what he was doing then he was wrong.
It is in the rule book that it must be deliberately done to gain an advantage. Clearly not the case here.
What's clear? He didn't gain an advantage or step outside the boundary line come back behind the keeper win the ball that lead to a penalty?
How's that work out?
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Quote from: Angelo on November 15, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
Ref gives a penalty after consulting with the umpire for a pickup off the ground.
Weren't there posters saying this couldn't be done three weeks ago?
Was the wrong call, Cavan fullforward came from behind the line, so two technical fouls
As for the umpires it's still not their call, they didn't blow the whistle, so the question is why did the ref blow?
He went to his umpire before making the call, the foul committed was a pick up off the ground and that's what the penalty was awarded for after consultation with the umpire.
If the same thing had happened in Ballybofey it was a Tyrone penalty.
He blew his whistle. The umpires don't have whistles, you do know that? The umpires don't make those decisions, you know the rules?
So the penalty shouldn't have stood? Didn't know the rule about coming from behind the line.
Was outside the line to gain advantage free out. But hey Angelo will tell me different, he knows the rules ya know!
Here MR2, what are the 3 rules that people don't know correctly?
We should have a thread on refereeing rules!
Christ there's some rules that I'm left scratching my head at, the best one is the ref can't change his mind once he makes a decision! Regardless of whether it's complete wrong
Is than an actual rule or is there some secret referee code of conduct?
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Not a legal passage of play, it's in the rule book, however daft that may be it is. It allowed him to be behind the keeper to illegally play the ball.
And Angelo if the ref blew his whistle without knowing what he was doing then he was wrong.
It is in the rule book that it must be deliberately done to gain an advantage. Clearly not the case here.
What's clear? He didn't gain an advantage or step outside the boundary line come back behind the keeper win the ball that lead to a penalty?
How's that work out?
Get a dictionary, look up the word deliberate, then read the rule again. Please tell me you aren't actually a referee?
So he didn't step outside? If he didn't then was he in the square?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 08:16:10 PM
So he didn't step outside? If he didn't then was he in the square?
Why are you asking me questions? A quick read of the rule and a look at what happened should clear it up for you. Unless you don't understand the rule in which case there's nothing I can do for you.
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So he didn't step outside? If he didn't then was he in the square?
Why are you asking me questions? A quick read of the rule and a look at what happened should clear it up for you. Unless you don't understand the rule in which case there's nothing I can do for you.
I understand the rules, if he deliberately stepped outside the boundary line ( in my view he did) then came in to gain an advantage (which he did) then it's a free out. I don't see how you see it differently.
He was either outside the end line or not. It's up to the ref to decide whether it was deliberate or not, bit like the Black cars rule.
Anyone watching the Sunday game?
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Anyone watching the Sunday game?
Ah don't mind that bitter Meath Bollocks
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Anyone watching the Sunday game?
Ah don't mind that bitter Meath Bollocks
Waiting on Westside itchy 8)
I presume they agreed with your analysis? Which of the brain trust did they have on, Whelan and O'Rourke? Thankfully the ref agreed with mine, Madden didn't do it to gain an advantage. Legal passage of play, goal stands. It's not that complicated.
Tbh, I don't think he "deliberately" went outside the field of play, his eyes were on the ball the whole time. It should have been a free for tackling the keeper in the small rectangle though
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Anyone watching the Sunday game?
Ah don't mind that bitter Meath Bollocks
Waiting on Westside itchy 8)
I presume they agreed with your analysis? Which of the brain trust did they have on, Whelan and O'Rourke? Thankfully the ref agreed with mine, Madden didn't do it to gain an advantage. Legal passage of play, goal stands. It's not that complicated.
You obviously didn't watch it and it was roundly put down as a mistake by all three and highlighted when he deliberately went behind line to gain advantage.
It's not complicated
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.
Quote from: Westside on November 15, 2020, 11:14:59 PM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.
Wasn't talking about the Sunday game you didn't watch, you obviously didn't watch it live!
You couldn't get the rules right so let's just leave it there. Typical though of armchair pundits who know nothing of the rules
Lol at this thread.
McKernan's indiscretion was the most obvious one. But a referee and two umpires still shouldn't have missed what happened in the lead up.
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 15, 2020, 11:09:57 PM
Tbh, I don't think he "deliberately" went outside the field of play, his eyes were on the ball the whole time. It should have been a free for tackling the keeper in the small rectangle though
Thought you can tackle keeper in small square? You're not allowed charge keeper?
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Tbh, I don't think he "deliberately" went outside the field of play, his eyes were on the ball the whole time. It should have been a free for tackling the keeper in the small rectangle though
Thought you can tackle keeper in small square? You're not allowed charge keeper?
Can't touch him, thought the lad played the ball in fairness to him. But if he was in the square before the ball it was a square ball.
should they scrap mckenna cup fbd etc next year give players a rest.
Yes but inside that square most refs will blow when there is contact, in this case the player played the ball cleanly.
Quote from: hardstation on November 16, 2020, 08:05:20 AM
Then most refs are 100% wrong. The rule clearly states:
When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.
As far as I'm reading on that, other than being shouldered, a keeper can be legally tackled like everyone else. It is a myth that the keeper can't be touched and referees believe it and fecking perpetuate it.
... and have done so for as long as I can remember. Can't remember seeing a ref. permitting a keeper being challenged within the small rectangle.
Quote from: hardstation on November 16, 2020, 08:05:20 AM
Then most refs are 100% wrong. The rule clearly states:
When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.
As far as I'm reading on that, other than being shouldered, a keeper can be legally tackled like everyone else. It is a myth that the keeper can't be touched and referees believe it and fecking perpetuate it.
Yes, like I said most refs will hear the cry, "ya can't touch the keeper" challenging the ball is acceptable, I've no problem that, there are some rules that for whatever reason have lingered on from way back that still be called, but at intercounty level or certainly at senior championship level these calls shouldn't be missed, that's why I'm surprised at yesterdays game.
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Yet you are on here saying "can't touch him" like it's a fact.
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Tbh, I don't think he "deliberately" went outside the field of play, his eyes were on the ball the whole time. It should have been a free for tackling the keeper in the small rectangle though
Thought you can tackle keeper in small square? You're not allowed charge keeper?
Can't touch him, thought the lad played the ball in fairness to him. But if he was in the square before the ball it was a square ball.
I know ;D
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Quote from: Westside on November 15, 2020, 11:14:59 PM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.
Wasn't talking about the Sunday game you didn't watch, you obviously didn't watch it live!
You couldn't get the rules right so let's just leave it there. Typical though of armchair pundits who know nothing of the rules
You seem to think you know more about the rules than the intercounty referee who was on the field looking at the incident. And you're talking about armchair pundits while using the Sunday Game panel to confirm that you are correct. LOL.
Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
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Quote from: Westside on November 15, 2020, 11:14:59 PM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.
Wasn't talking about the Sunday game you didn't watch, you obviously didn't watch it live!
You couldn't get the rules right so let's just leave it there. Typical though of armchair pundits who know nothing of the rules
You seem to think you know more about the rules than the intercounty referee who was on the field looking at the incident. And you're talking about armchair pundits while using the Sunday Game panel to confirm that you are correct. LOL.
Well I'm a ref, so its the same rules if its under 12b league and intercounty, the ref got it wrong, most refs go through a game with some mistakes, like players and managers. The pundits on the Sunday game have the technology to review it and highlight it better, I seen it first time like the ref and called it.
The difference is the referee is looking at it differently on the day than someone sitting in his armchair. I doubt like some on here already have said you knew it was a rule.
It did even itself out if the mark was incorrect leading up to the Down goal.
Hopefully come Sunday against Donegal we won't be looking at mistakes by referees
Quote from: hardstation on November 16, 2020, 08:05:20 AM
Then most refs are 100% wrong. The rule clearly states:
When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.
As far as I'm reading on that, other than being shouldered, a keeper can be legally tackled like everyone else. It is a myth that the keeper can't be touched and referees believe it and fecking perpetuate it.
But apart from incidental contact when playing the ball or blocking, it would be unusual to touch the keeper in the small rectangle without fouling him. So I would say in the vast majority of cases, refs are correct in calling fouls in such instances.I think forwards could be a lot cleverer in general in the way they tackle keepers, they often make it very easy for the ref to give the free out.
Quote from: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 09:52:15 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
He gave a mark to a down player when he caught the ball inside his own 45 and then landed over the sideline. It should have been a line ball to Cavan but instead Down went up the field and got the goal.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 09:59:30 AM
Quote from: Westside on November 16, 2020, 09:41:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 11:17:36 PM
Quote from: Westside on November 15, 2020, 11:14:59 PM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.
Wasn't talking about the Sunday game you didn't watch, you obviously didn't watch it live!
You couldn't get the rules right so let's just leave it there. Typical though of armchair pundits who know nothing of the rules
You seem to think you know more about the rules than the intercounty referee who was on the field looking at the incident. And you're talking about armchair pundits while using the Sunday Game panel to confirm that you are correct. LOL.
Well I'm a ref, so its the same rules if its under 12b league and intercounty, the ref got it wrong, most refs go through a game with some mistakes, like players and managers. The pundits on the Sunday game have the technology to review it and highlight it better, I seen it first time like the ref and called it.
The difference is the referee is looking at it differently on the day than someone sitting in his armchair. I doubt like some on here already have said you knew it was a rule.
It did even itself out if the mark was incorrect leading up to the Down goal.
Hopefully come Sunday against Donegal we won't be looking at mistakes by referees
There was no mistake, the ref didn't think it was done deliberately to gain an advantage. I don't see how you can't understand that, I sincerely hope you're never handed the whistle for an important game.
Quote from: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 09:52:15 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.
Quote from: Westside on November 16, 2020, 10:26:33 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 09:59:30 AM
Quote from: Westside on November 16, 2020, 09:41:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 11:17:36 PM
Quote from: Westside on November 15, 2020, 11:14:59 PM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.
Wasn't talking about the Sunday game you didn't watch, you obviously didn't watch it live!
You couldn't get the rules right so let's just leave it there. Typical though of armchair pundits who know nothing of the rules
You seem to think you know more about the rules than the intercounty referee who was on the field looking at the incident. And you're talking about armchair pundits while using the Sunday Game panel to confirm that you are correct. LOL.
Well I'm a ref, so its the same rules if its under 12b league and intercounty, the ref got it wrong, most refs go through a game with some mistakes, like players and managers. The pundits on the Sunday game have the technology to review it and highlight it better, I seen it first time like the ref and called it.
The difference is the referee is looking at it differently on the day than someone sitting in his armchair. I doubt like some on here already have said you knew it was a rule.
It did even itself out if the mark was incorrect leading up to the Down goal.
Hopefully come Sunday against Donegal we won't be looking at mistakes by referees
There was no mistake, the ref didn't think it was done deliberately to gain an advantage. I don't see how you can't understand that, I sincerely hope you're never handed the whistle for an important game.
You're boring me now, if you, and its only you that thinks this, can't see it as being a foul, or even a square ball then I hope you are not involved with coaching kids..
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 16, 2020, 10:32:11 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 09:52:15 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.
Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.
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Quote from: Westside on November 16, 2020, 09:41:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 11:17:36 PM
Quote from: Westside on November 15, 2020, 11:14:59 PM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.
Wasn't talking about the Sunday game you didn't watch, you obviously didn't watch it live!
You couldn't get the rules right so let's just leave it there. Typical though of armchair pundits who know nothing of the rules
You seem to think you know more about the rules than the intercounty referee who was on the field looking at the incident. And you're talking about armchair pundits while using the Sunday Game panel to confirm that you are correct. LOL.
Well I'm a ref, so its the same rules if its under 12b league and intercounty, the ref got it wrong, most refs go through a game with some mistakes, like players and managers. The pundits on the Sunday game have the technology to review it and highlight it better, I seen it first time like the ref and called it.
The difference is the referee is looking at it differently on the day than someone sitting in his armchair. I doubt like some on here already have said you knew it was a rule.
It did even itself out if the mark was incorrect leading up to the Down goal.
Hopefully come Sunday against Donegal we won't be looking at mistakes by referees
There was no mistake, the ref didn't think it was done deliberately to gain an advantage. I don't see how you can't understand that, I sincerely hope you're never handed the whistle for an important game.
You're boring me now, if you, and its only you that thinks this, can't see it as being a foul, or even a square ball then I hope you are not involved with coaching kids..
Milltown, I can see it in a certain application of this rule you could be right. However, in my entire time playing and following GAA I have never seen such a call made by a referee at any level of the game. For me Madden was on the line and ran past the defender inside him, he may have slighty stepped over the line. No different than a man running say along the sideline and sidesteps a player bringing himself out of the field of play.
Downs goal coming from an incorrectly awarded mark and Martin Reilly not getting advantage were much greater injustices but these things happen.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 11:03:58 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 09:59:30 AM
Quote from: Westside on November 16, 2020, 09:41:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 15, 2020, 11:17:36 PM
Quote from: Westside on November 15, 2020, 11:14:59 PM
When I asked who did the Sunday game have on I thought it would be obvious I didn't watch it... You're obviously not the sharpest tool, which explains a lot about why this is so confusing for you.
Wasn't talking about the Sunday game you didn't watch, you obviously didn't watch it live!
You couldn't get the rules right so let's just leave it there. Typical though of armchair pundits who know nothing of the rules
You seem to think you know more about the rules than the intercounty referee who was on the field looking at the incident. And you're talking about armchair pundits while using the Sunday Game panel to confirm that you are correct. LOL.
Well I'm a ref, so its the same rules if its under 12b league and intercounty, the ref got it wrong, most refs go through a game with some mistakes, like players and managers. The pundits on the Sunday game have the technology to review it and highlight it better, I seen it first time like the ref and called it.
The difference is the referee is looking at it differently on the day than someone sitting in his armchair. I doubt like some on here already have said you knew it was a rule.
It did even itself out if the mark was incorrect leading up to the Down goal.
Hopefully come Sunday against Donegal we won't be looking at mistakes by referees
There was no mistake, the ref didn't think it was done deliberately to gain an advantage. I don't see how you can't understand that, I sincerely hope you're never handed the whistle for an important game.
You're boring me now, if you, and its only you that thinks this, can't see it as being a foul, or even a square ball then I hope you are not involved with coaching kids..
It's not only me. The referee, the man whose opinion actually matters, saw it the same way.
And if you think any coach in the country is telling young players not to hit touch like they're playing rugby or they can't rejoin the play, you're absolutely deluded. You sound like the typical schoolmaster type club referee that's out to exercise some authority and read the rule in the way that allows you to blow the whistle.
Yes don't make the rules up, I wouldn't be the hard nose ref either, I don't do a lot of cards and allow a lot of physical contact. It's just a point that this was a foul before the touching on ground for penalty.
I probably wouldn't have called him running in behind his marker (as he did clearly) and win the ball, I'd have questioned how he got behind the keeper to win the ball first, and blew for square ball
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 12:31:18 PM
Yes don't make the rules up, I wouldn't be the hard nose ref either, I don't do a lot of cards and allow a lot of physical contact. It's just a point that this was a foul before the touching on ground for penalty.
I probably wouldn't have called him running in behind his marker (as he did clearly) and win the ball, I'd have questioned how he got behind the keeper to win the ball first, and blew for square ball
The referee didn't think he left the field deliberately to gain an advantage, the referee didn't think he was in the square before the ball. Happy Monday.
Quote from: Westside on November 16, 2020, 12:49:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 12:31:18 PM
Yes don't make the rules up, I wouldn't be the hard nose ref either, I don't do a lot of cards and allow a lot of physical contact. It's just a point that this was a foul before the touching on ground for penalty.
I probably wouldn't have called him running in behind his marker (as he did clearly) and win the ball, I'd have questioned how he got behind the keeper to win the ball first, and blew for square ball
The referee didn't think he left the field deliberately to gain an advantage, the referee didn't think he was in the square before the ball. Happy Monday.
And the 'mark' incident he didn't see that one either.. I'm sure his assessor will have though
Quote from: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 11:26:29 AM
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Quote from: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
Shouldn't but it happened and it wouldn't have happened if the right call was made. Anyway have a good day guys i'm sure you will all agree at some stage ;D
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.
Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.
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Quote from: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 11:26:29 AM
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Quote from: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 09:52:15 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
Shouldn't but it happened and it wouldn't have happened if the right call was made. Anyway have a good day guys i'm sure you will all agree at some stage ;D
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.
Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.
It's not the reason for the goal though.
Wrong decision but it didn't really have an impact in a goal or not. If you were to contest every wrong free out decision you could be here all day.
The Reilly goal chance was an absolutely terrible. I thought the referee had an error ridden game yesterday in its entirety.
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Quote from: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 09:52:15 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.
Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.
But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.
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Quote from: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 11:26:29 AM
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Quote from: Angelo on November 16, 2020, 09:52:15 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
Shouldn't but it happened and it wouldn't have happened if the right call was made. Anyway have a good day guys i'm sure you will all agree at some stage ;D
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.
Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.
It's not the reason for the goal though.
Wrong decision but it didn't really have an impact in a goal or not. If you were to contest every wrong free out decision you could be here all day.
The Reilly goal chance was an absolutely terrible. I thought the referee had an error ridden game yesterday in its entirety.
How did it not have an impact on the goal? Down scored from that possession. It absolutely did have an impact. That goal is not happening in that way if Cavan got the sideline ball as Down backs would have dropped back, not attacking forward with the ball.
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Quote from: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.
Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.
But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.
Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.
There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.
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Quote from: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.
Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.
But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.
Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.
There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.
Angelo, can you define then how long before a score a referring mistake should be analysed as to whether it lead to a goal. Is it 1 second, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Or is it by distance from the goals or what is it. Should we just refer all calls to you on the board here so you can adjudicate? What is the process.
The goal stood and in my opinion it was the right decision and even though the ref got two big calls wrong against us and he was from Monaghan I still think he had a damn good game.
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Quote from: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.
Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.
But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.
Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.
There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.
Angelo, can you define then how long before a score a referring mistake should be analysed as to whether it lead to a goal. Is it 1 second, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Or is it by distance from the goals or what is it. Should we just refer all calls to you on the board here so you can adjudicate? What is the process.
The goal stood and in my opinion it was the right decision and even though the ref got two big calls wrong against us and he was from Monaghan I still think he had a damn good game.
You can't.
I'm only making the point that the wrong award for a free to the opponents in their own 45 yard line is not the cause of the goal. It is admittedly a fairly idiotic decision from the referee but he's not the reason Down scored that goal. It was the combination of a really slick Down move and some shambolic defending from Cavan.
I thought the referee was fairly terrible throughout the game. You could argue that wrong decisions in the first half went Down's way, the first was just brainless refereeing but it wasn't the reason for the Down goal. The second was a crazy decision that denied Reilly a great goal chance.
I think Cavan got the benefit of loads of iffy calls in that second half, to me Down seemed to have work so much harder to get a free. GAA referees can seem to be very reactive to changes in games and tend to award the frees to the team with all the momentum.
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Quote from: Cavan19 on November 16, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.
Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.
But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.
Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.
There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.
Angelo, can you define then how long before a score a referring mistake should be analysed as to whether it lead to a goal. Is it 1 second, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Or is it by distance from the goals or what is it. Should we just refer all calls to you on the board here so you can adjudicate? What is the process.
The goal stood and in my opinion it was the right decision and even though the ref got two big calls wrong against us and he was from Monaghan I still think he had a damn good game.
You can't.
I'm only making the point that the wrong award for a free to the opponents in their own 45 yard line is not the cause of the goal. It is admittedly a fairly idiotic decision from the referee but he's not the reason Down scored that goal. It was the combination of a really slick Down move and some shambolic defending from Cavan.
I thought the referee was fairly terrible throughout the game. You could argue that wrong decisions in the first half went Down's way, the first was just brainless refereeing but it wasn't the reason for the Down goal. The second was a crazy decision that denied Reilly a great goal chance.
I think Cavan got the benefit of loads of iffy calls in that second half, to me Down seemed to have work so much harder to get a free. GAA referees can seem to be very reactive to changes in games and tend to award the frees to the team with all the momentum.
But the goal came direct from the wrong decision. A Cavan man did not touch the ball in that time, it was the same possession. Absolutely the defending should have been better, but if the ref gives the right decision, then that goal in that form is not being scored, in fact Cavan are attacking and that's a huge swing. Are you being deliberately obtuse on this? It's really not that hard to see. Anything that happened in that possession would not have happened with the decision going the other way...
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Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.
Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.
But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.
Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.
There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.
Angelo, can you define then how long before a score a referring mistake should be analysed as to whether it lead to a goal. Is it 1 second, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Or is it by distance from the goals or what is it. Should we just refer all calls to you on the board here so you can adjudicate? What is the process.
The goal stood and in my opinion it was the right decision and even though the ref got two big calls wrong against us and he was from Monaghan I still think he had a damn good game.
You can't.
I'm only making the point that the wrong award for a free to the opponents in their own 45 yard line is not the cause of the goal. It is admittedly a fairly idiotic decision from the referee but he's not the reason Down scored that goal. It was the combination of a really slick Down move and some shambolic defending from Cavan.
I thought the referee was fairly terrible throughout the game. You could argue that wrong decisions in the first half went Down's way, the first was just brainless refereeing but it wasn't the reason for the Down goal. The second was a crazy decision that denied Reilly a great goal chance.
I think Cavan got the benefit of loads of iffy calls in that second half, to me Down seemed to have work so much harder to get a free. GAA referees can seem to be very reactive to changes in games and tend to award the frees to the team with all the momentum.
But the goal came direct from the wrong decision. A Cavan man did not touch the ball in that time, it was the same possession. Absolutely the defending should have been better, but if the ref gives the right decision, then that goal in that form is not being scored, in fact Cavan are attacking and that's a huge swing. Are you being deliberately obtuse on this? It's really not that hard to see. Anything that happened in that possession would not have happened with the decision going the other way...
Teams can score a goal in 10 seconds from a kickout, it shouldn't happen though so you can't lay the blame at the referee in those instances. They are going to make mistakes, that was a minor mistake in reality but Cavan were just very badly set up and paid the price for it.
Red cards and penalties, scorable frees and and punishing consistent/cynical fouling appropriately are the big decisions in games.
The line ball wasn't a big decision but it was an obvious one. Reminds me when Beggan punched ball wide in first game and a kick out given. If officials can't get easy decisions right then how can you trust them.
Cavan people have long memories for grievances.
Does anyone know to Cavan now avoid the B Championship next yr as a result of making this final? I read somewhere that was the case.
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Does anyone know to Cavan now avoid the B Championship next yr as a result of making this final? I read somewhere that was the case.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1019/1084423-two-tier-senior-football-championship-to-begin-in-2020/
It may be subject to change due to Covid - who knows
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Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.
Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.
But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.
Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.
There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.
Angelo, can you define then how long before a score a referring mistake should be analysed as to whether it lead to a goal. Is it 1 second, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Or is it by distance from the goals or what is it. Should we just refer all calls to you on the board here so you can adjudicate? What is the process.
The goal stood and in my opinion it was the right decision and even though the ref got two big calls wrong against us and he was from Monaghan I still think he had a damn good game.
You can't.
I'm only making the point that the wrong award for a free to the opponents in their own 45 yard line is not the cause of the goal. It is admittedly a fairly idiotic decision from the referee but he's not the reason Down scored that goal. It was the combination of a really slick Down move and some shambolic defending from Cavan.
I thought the referee was fairly terrible throughout the game. You could argue that wrong decisions in the first half went Down's way, the first was just brainless refereeing but it wasn't the reason for the Down goal. The second was a crazy decision that denied Reilly a great goal chance.
I think Cavan got the benefit of loads of iffy calls in that second half, to me Down seemed to have work so much harder to get a free. GAA referees can seem to be very reactive to changes in games and tend to award the frees to the team with all the momentum.
But the goal came direct from the wrong decision. A Cavan man did not touch the ball in that time, it was the same possession. Absolutely the defending should have been better, but if the ref gives the right decision, then that goal in that form is not being scored, in fact Cavan are attacking and that's a huge swing. Are you being deliberately obtuse on this? It's really not that hard to see. Anything that happened in that possession would not have happened with the decision going the other way...
Yes - that is his style. Attention seeking. Probably a poor referee in a former life!
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Does anyone know to Cavan now avoid the B Championship next yr as a result of making this final? I read somewhere that was the case.
I think that would usually be the case, but it didn't start in 2020 due to Covid. Although looks like a motion at the time of voting for the B Championship also went in place to take the placings from the end of the league that season. So if Cavan get promoted from Division 3 early 2021, they're then technically in Division 2 and would be in the main championship. That's my reading of it anyway, could be wrong...
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Getting good mileage out of this one lads ;D
If Madden did wrong it went a bit of way to even out previous mistakes by the referee as there was a 5 point swing in the Down goal that shouldn't have been and giving Martin Reilly a free with the goal at his mercy.
What was wrong the Down goal?
Thought the referee played advantage rightly there. He definitely should have given Reilly the advantage at the other end though.
He gave a mark for a catch just inside the 45. Should not have been a mark, should have been a line ball to Cavan as he went over the sideline. Down scored the goal directly off this decision.
Fair enough but you're talking about a dead ball in Down's own half. You shouldn't be conceding goals in those situations so you can hardly lay the blame for the goal there.
But Down quite literally scored the goal from that possession. Sure, Cavan should have stopped them getting in, but if you look at it simply, it should have been a Cavan lineball inside Downs 45. Down aren't scoring that goal as it was if possession was with Cavan. It's not that hard to see that.
Goals could be scored from a wrongly awarded kickout in similar circumstances. You could analyse every minor decision like that. Cavan should not have been allowing a goal chance to develop so easily from a situation like that.
There's no doubt it was a wrong decision but you can't lay the blame of a goal at the referee in that situation. It's not like a dodgy penalty or a clear foul being committed that caused the goal. It was lax defending from Cavan. Down pretty much worked their ball from their own half without a challenge.
Angelo, can you define then how long before a score a referring mistake should be analysed as to whether it lead to a goal. Is it 1 second, 10 seconds, 20 seconds. Or is it by distance from the goals or what is it. Should we just refer all calls to you on the board here so you can adjudicate? What is the process.
The goal stood and in my opinion it was the right decision and even though the ref got two big calls wrong against us and he was from Monaghan I still think he had a damn good game.
You can't.
I'm only making the point that the wrong award for a free to the opponents in their own 45 yard line is not the cause of the goal. It is admittedly a fairly idiotic decision from the referee but he's not the reason Down scored that goal. It was the combination of a really slick Down move and some shambolic defending from Cavan.
I thought the referee was fairly terrible throughout the game. You could argue that wrong decisions in the first half went Down's way, the first was just brainless refereeing but it wasn't the reason for the Down goal. The second was a crazy decision that denied Reilly a great goal chance.
I think Cavan got the benefit of loads of iffy calls in that second half, to me Down seemed to have work so much harder to get a free. GAA referees can seem to be very reactive to changes in games and tend to award the frees to the team with all the momentum.
But the goal came direct from the wrong decision. A Cavan man did not touch the ball in that time, it was the same possession. Absolutely the defending should have been better, but if the ref gives the right decision, then that goal in that form is not being scored, in fact Cavan are attacking and that's a huge swing. Are you being deliberately obtuse on this? It's really not that hard to see. Anything that happened in that possession would not have happened with the decision going the other way...
The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.
What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?
You're right Dread.
Also if a D3 or 4 team make a Provincial Final they avoid Tier 2.
If it was in this year Cavan and Tipp would have avoided it.
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The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.
What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?
I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...
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The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.
What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?
I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...
I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.
The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.
The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.
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The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.
What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?
I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...
I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.
The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.
The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.
Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?
Quote from: Rossfan on November 17, 2020, 09:44:22 AM
You're right Dread.
Also if a D3 or 4 team make a Provincial Final they avoid Tier 2.
If it was in this year Cavan and Tipp would have avoided it.
So does that mean that both A and B championships could have different numbers participating annually depending on who reached their provincial finals?
So, youd normally have 16 in A... but say Antrim, Leitrim, Waterford and Wicklow reach their provincial finals, that means the race for Sam would have 20 teams (16 plus those 4), and B championship just 12 (16 less those 4)?
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You're right Dread.
Also if a D3 or 4 team make a Provincial Final they avoid Tier 2.
If it was in this year Cavan and Tipp would have avoided it.
So does that mean that both A and B championships could have different numbers participating annually depending on who reached their provincial finals?
So, youd normally have 16 in A... but say Antrim, Leitrim, Waterford and Wicklow reach their provincial finals, that means the race for Sam would have 20 teams (16 plus those 4), and B championship just 12 (16 less those 4)?
It does seem there are some ways to avoid the B champ (if you are in Div3/4) but I dont see it displacing any teams that are in the A champ. All a bit daft really.
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You're right Dread.
Also if a D3 or 4 team make a Provincial Final they avoid Tier 2.
If it was in this year Cavan and Tipp would have avoided it.
So does that mean that both A and B championships could have different numbers participating annually depending on who reached their provincial finals?
So, youd normally have 16 in A... but say Antrim, Leitrim, Waterford and Wicklow reach their provincial finals, that means the race for Sam would have 20 teams (16 plus those 4), and B championship just 12 (16 less those 4)?
I believe so. I think the reasoning is that they really don't expect any Div 3 or 4 teams (or recently relegated Div 2 teams) to reach their finals that often. And generally they'd be right, but this year has skewed with Cavan and Tipp reaching their final. If I read that right, then it's 18 teams in A, and 14 in B. Not a huge issue, but that will likely be the exception. Most years you'll probably have 16 and 16. And this is a 3 year trial by the way, could be gone by 2024
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The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.
What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?
I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...
I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.
The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.
The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.
Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?
Quite possibly if that's the way Cavan were set up in the first half.
It was the wrong decision but it was not the reason for the goal. Allowing a team to run the ball from their own half without getting a glove on them is not the referee's fault.
If the 2 Tiers were used this year (and no Covid!!)
Tailteann Cup would contain
Fermanagh Antrim Derry
London Leitrim Sligo
Waterford Limerick
Wexford Wicklow Carlow Offaly Longford Louth.
Qualifiers
Roscommon
Tyrone Monaghan Armagh Down
Kerry Clare
Kildare Laois Westmeath.
Bennycake's dream of Tyrone v Kerry in a preliminary might have come true 😄
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The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.
What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?
I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...
I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.
The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.
The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.
Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?
Quite possibly if that's the way Cavan were set up in the first half.
It was the wrong decision but it was not the reason for the goal. Allowing a team to run the ball from their own half without getting a glove on them is not the referee's fault.
So you think the exact same goal, with the exact same move would happen, even if Cavan got the ball. Please stop man ;D ;D you're embarrassing yourself
They may well have scored a goal that half, but not that one, as both teams would have set up for the sideline ball differently, and Down would not have had the ball to attack a stretched Cavan defence. That is my point, just ridiculous you think they could have scored that goal if the decision went the other way.
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You're right Dread.
Also if a D3 or 4 team make a Provincial Final they avoid Tier 2.
If it was in this year Cavan and Tipp would have avoided it.
So does that mean that both A and B championships could have different numbers participating annually depending on who reached their provincial finals?
So, youd normally have 16 in A... but say Antrim, Leitrim, Waterford and Wicklow reach their provincial finals, that means the race for Sam would have 20 teams (16 plus those 4), and B championship just 12 (16 less those 4)?
I believe so. I think the reasoning is that they really don't expect any Div 3 or 4 teams (or recently relegated Div 2 teams) to reach their finals that often. And generally they'd be right, but this year has skewed with Cavan and Tipp reaching their final. If I read that right, then it's 18 teams in A, and 14 in B. Not a huge issue, but that will likely be the exception. Most years you'll probably have 16 and 16. And this is a 3 year trial by the way, could be gone by 2024
So, more teams in A, means one or more preliminary rounds, meaning squeezing in an extra week. If those Super 8 bollix is still happening, they are fired off in quick succession, so there's not much room for manoeuvre.
It's all a load of bollix really.
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If the 2 Tiers were used this year (and no Covid!!)
Tailteann Cup would contain
Fermanagh Antrim Derry
London Leitrim Sligo
Waterford Limerick
Wexford Wicklow Carlow Offaly Longford Louth.
Qualifiers
Roscommon
Tyrone Monaghan Armagh Down
Kerry Clare
Kildare Laois Westmeath.
Bennycake's dream of Tyrone v Kerry in a preliminary might have come true 😄
That's not my dream (by the way, I'm not from Tyrone, as you stated a day or two ago!).
My idea is an open draw, meaning it's possible we could get big teams drawn together, like Dublin v Kerry in the first round. Look at what we got this year, Donegal v Tyrone, Kerry v Cork. Two exciting games. Two big guns gone early, no second chances.
And you have to say, the championship has been all the better for do or die clashes like those this year.
The mini winter Championship is pure shite.
Ros aren't in it any more.
Anyway the Qualifiers are "do or die" too.
P S sorry for the Tyrone insult :-[
It shouldn't be difficult to sort out a second tier championship.
Based on leagues Div 3/4 are in the B championship and Div 1/2 in Sam Maguire
Winners of the league move up and Winners of the second tier championship move up, two teams.
That means two teams drop out of the Sam Maguire, If the winners of the league and second tier championship are the same team then next in the league goes up.
Relegation playoff to decide who drops down based on league positions, so in the unlikely event that a team being relegated from Div 2 wins Sam Maguire then they stay up and its the next in the lowest position goes down..
Almost everything should be based on league standings. Getting to the final of your province should not be a means to keep you up
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It shouldn't be difficult to sort out a second tier championship.
Based on leagues Div 3/4 are in the B championship and Div 1/2 in Sam Maguire
Winners of the league move up and Winners of the second tier championship move up, two teams.
That means two teams drop out of the Sam Maguire, If the winners of the league and second tier championship are the same team then next in the league goes up.
Relegation playoff to decide who drops down based on league positions, so in the unlikely event that a team being relegated from Div 2 wins Sam Maguire then they stay up and its the next in the lowest position goes down..
Almost everything should be based on league standings. Getting to the final of your province should not be a means to keep you up
With respect, that last bit is rubbish. I still don't know why they are using the league mainly as the gauge here for championship. Should use championship for championship. That you say reaching a provincial final shouldn't matter vs league is nonsense. Any team that does well in championship should be rewarded more than only on a league in winter/spring. Imagine getting to a provincial final and they say nah, B championship for you due to your league placing 3 months ago...
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2020, 01:51:45 PM
It shouldn't be difficult to sort out a second tier championship.
Based on leagues Div 3/4 are in the B championship and Div 1/2 in Sam Maguire
Winners of the league move up and Winners of the second tier championship move up, two teams.
That means two teams drop out of the Sam Maguire, If the winners of the league and second tier championship are the same team then next in the league goes up.
Relegation playoff to decide who drops down based on league positions, so in the unlikely event that a team being relegated from Div 2 wins Sam Maguire then they stay up and its the next in the lowest position goes down..
Almost everything should be based on league standings. Getting to the final of your province should not be a means to keep you up
With respect, that last bit is rubbish. I still don't know why they are using the league mainly as the gauge here for championship. Should use championship for championship. That you say reaching a provincial final shouldn't matter vs league is nonsense. Any team that does well in championship should be rewarded more than only on a league in winter/spring. Imagine getting to a provincial final and they say nah, B championship for you due to your league placing 3 months ago...
Munster championship and Waterford get to a final as Cork and Kerry meet in the first round.. Waterford should be in the Sam Maguire even though they are Div 4?
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 11:40:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 11:33:10 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 10:12:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 09:43:46 AM
The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.
What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?
I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...
I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.
The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.
The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.
Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?
Quite possibly if that's the way Cavan were set up in the first half.
It was the wrong decision but it was not the reason for the goal. Allowing a team to run the ball from their own half without getting a glove on them is not the referee's fault.
So you think the exact same goal, with the exact same move would happen, even if Cavan got the ball. Please stop man ;D ;D you're embarrassing yourself
They may well have scored a goal that half, but not that one, as both teams would have set up for the sideline ball differently, and Down would not have had the ball to attack a stretched Cavan defence. That is my point, just ridiculous you think they could have scored that goal if the decision went the other way.
It's very possible Down would have scored a similar goal yes. Down ran the ball from their 45 yard line without a Cavan player laying a glove on them.
You are fairly reaching to be putting the blame at the referee in that situation.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2020, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2020, 01:51:45 PM
It shouldn't be difficult to sort out a second tier championship.
Based on leagues Div 3/4 are in the B championship and Div 1/2 in Sam Maguire
Winners of the league move up and Winners of the second tier championship move up, two teams.
That means two teams drop out of the Sam Maguire, If the winners of the league and second tier championship are the same team then next in the league goes up.
Relegation playoff to decide who drops down based on league positions, so in the unlikely event that a team being relegated from Div 2 wins Sam Maguire then they stay up and its the next in the lowest position goes down..
Almost everything should be based on league standings. Getting to the final of your province should not be a means to keep you up
With respect, that last bit is rubbish. I still don't know why they are using the league mainly as the gauge here for championship. Should use championship for championship. That you say reaching a provincial final shouldn't matter vs league is nonsense. Any team that does well in championship should be rewarded more than only on a league in winter/spring. Imagine getting to a provincial final and they say nah, B championship for you due to your league placing 3 months ago...
Munster championship and Waterford get to a final as Cork and Kerry meet in the first round.. Waterford should be in the Sam Maguire even though they are Div 4?
They will likely still have to get past past Clare and Tipperary so yes. But that example is a long shot, when was the last time Waterford to to the MSFC final? But saying that, if they go on a run and get to the final, they absolutely deserve their chance
Quote from: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 11:40:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 11:33:10 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 10:12:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 09:43:46 AM
The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.
What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?
I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...
I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.
The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.
The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.
Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?
Quite possibly if that's the way Cavan were set up in the first half.
It was the wrong decision but it was not the reason for the goal. Allowing a team to run the ball from their own half without getting a glove on them is not the referee's fault.
So you think the exact same goal, with the exact same move would happen, even if Cavan got the ball. Please stop man ;D ;D you're embarrassing yourself
They may well have scored a goal that half, but not that one, as both teams would have set up for the sideline ball differently, and Down would not have had the ball to attack a stretched Cavan defence. That is my point, just ridiculous you think they could have scored that goal if the decision went the other way.
It's very possible Down would have scored a similar goal yes. Down ran the ball from their 45 yard line without a Cavan player laying a glove on them.
You are fairly reaching to be putting the blame at the referee in that situation.
So you're finally admitting that Down would not have scored that goal if the ball went to Cavan? Glad you've seen the light. Finally. And if they could have scored similar goals, why didn't they? Fact is they benefitted from a bad referring decision. Luckily Cavan won, so it didn't matter so much in the grand scheme
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 04:03:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2020, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2020, 01:51:45 PM
It shouldn't be difficult to sort out a second tier championship.
Based on leagues Div 3/4 are in the B championship and Div 1/2 in Sam Maguire
Winners of the league move up and Winners of the second tier championship move up, two teams.
That means two teams drop out of the Sam Maguire, If the winners of the league and second tier championship are the same team then next in the league goes up.
Relegation playoff to decide who drops down based on league positions, so in the unlikely event that a team being relegated from Div 2 wins Sam Maguire then they stay up and its the next in the lowest position goes down..
Almost everything should be based on league standings. Getting to the final of your province should not be a means to keep you up
With respect, that last bit is rubbish. I still don't know why they are using the league mainly as the gauge here for championship. Should use championship for championship. That you say reaching a provincial final shouldn't matter vs league is nonsense. Any team that does well in championship should be rewarded more than only on a league in winter/spring. Imagine getting to a provincial final and they say nah, B championship for you due to your league placing 3 months ago...
Munster championship and Waterford get to a final as Cork and Kerry meet in the first round.. Waterford should be in the Sam Maguire even though they are Div 4?
They will likely still have to get past past Clare and Tipperary so yes. But that example is a long shot, when was the last time Waterford to to the MSFC final? But saying that, if they go on a run and get to the final, they absolutely deserve their chance
No they don't deserve it, they are Div 4 and that's that. When Kerry and Cork play on same side of draw it serves up a mismatch final usually. Clare were div4 two years ago. Tipp only recently making an impact but that'll fade.
Base it on the leagues, works well for the hurling and promotion produces teams that can compete and improve, Laois a great example as is Dublin, not that far back I remember Antrim always giving Dublin their fill of it, now they have stormed ahead and have managed to stay ...
If teams know their progression into Sam Maguire is based on league performance then they'll be putting big effort into their training and conditioning.
Again we'll all hold personal views on this based on where you actually see your own county.
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 04:06:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 11:40:48 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 11:33:10 AM
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Quote from: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 09:43:46 AM
The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.
What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?
I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...
I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.
The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.
The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.
Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?
Quite possibly if that's the way Cavan were set up in the first half.
It was the wrong decision but it was not the reason for the goal. Allowing a team to run the ball from their own half without getting a glove on them is not the referee's fault.
So you think the exact same goal, with the exact same move would happen, even if Cavan got the ball. Please stop man ;D ;D you're embarrassing yourself
They may well have scored a goal that half, but not that one, as both teams would have set up for the sideline ball differently, and Down would not have had the ball to attack a stretched Cavan defence. That is my point, just ridiculous you think they could have scored that goal if the decision went the other way.
It's very possible Down would have scored a similar goal yes. Down ran the ball from their 45 yard line without a Cavan player laying a glove on them.
You are fairly reaching to be putting the blame at the referee in that situation.
So you're finally admitting that Down would not have scored that goal if the ball went to Cavan? Glad you've seen the light. Finally. And if they could have scored similar goals, why didn't they? Fact is they benefitted from a bad referring decision. Luckily Cavan won, so it didn't matter so much in the grand scheme
Couldn't tell you.
What ifs aren't certain.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2020, 05:42:32 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 04:03:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2020, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2020, 01:51:45 PM
It shouldn't be difficult to sort out a second tier championship.
Based on leagues Div 3/4 are in the B championship and Div 1/2 in Sam Maguire
Winners of the league move up and Winners of the second tier championship move up, two teams.
That means two teams drop out of the Sam Maguire, If the winners of the league and second tier championship are the same team then next in the league goes up.
Relegation playoff to decide who drops down based on league positions, so in the unlikely event that a team being relegated from Div 2 wins Sam Maguire then they stay up and its the next in the lowest position goes down..
Almost everything should be based on league standings. Getting to the final of your province should not be a means to keep you up
With respect, that last bit is rubbish. I still don't know why they are using the league mainly as the gauge here for championship. Should use championship for championship. That you say reaching a provincial final shouldn't matter vs league is nonsense. Any team that does well in championship should be rewarded more than only on a league in winter/spring. Imagine getting to a provincial final and they say nah, B championship for you due to your league placing 3 months ago...
Munster championship and Waterford get to a final as Cork and Kerry meet in the first round.. Waterford should be in the Sam Maguire even though they are Div 4?
They will likely still have to get past past Clare and Tipperary so yes. But that example is a long shot, when was the last time Waterford to to the MSFC final? But saying that, if they go on a run and get to the final, they absolutely deserve their chance
No they don't deserve it, they are Div 4 and that's that. When Kerry and Cork play on same side of draw it serves up a mismatch final usually. Clare were div4 two years ago. Tipp only recently making an impact but that'll fade.
Base it on the leagues, works well for the hurling and promotion produces teams that can compete and improve, Laois a great example as is Dublin, not that far back I remember Antrim always giving Dublin their fill of it, now they have stormed ahead and have managed to stay ...
If teams know their progression into Sam Maguire is based on league performance then they'll be putting big effort into their training and conditioning.
Again we'll all hold personal views on this based on where you actually see your own county.
So even though they do better in Championship than league (which is the point, you want to be better in championship) then you'd deny them further progress in the championship after reaching a final, based on league position from 3 months before? That's madness. And even the GAA know its madness hence why they have this failsafe built in. The whole point is a good championship run is rewarded sufficiently, and they can deal with this if it happens. But it will be rare
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Quote from: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 17, 2020, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 09:43:46 AM
The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.
What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?
I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...
I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.
The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.
The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.
Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?
Quite possibly if that's the way Cavan were set up in the first half.
It was the wrong decision but it was not the reason for the goal. Allowing a team to run the ball from their own half without getting a glove on them is not the referee's fault.
So you think the exact same goal, with the exact same move would happen, even if Cavan got the ball. Please stop man ;D ;D you're embarrassing yourself
They may well have scored a goal that half, but not that one, as both teams would have set up for the sideline ball differently, and Down would not have had the ball to attack a stretched Cavan defence. That is my point, just ridiculous you think they could have scored that goal if the decision went the other way.
It's very possible Down would have scored a similar goal yes. Down ran the ball from their 45 yard line without a Cavan player laying a glove on them.
You are fairly reaching to be putting the blame at the referee in that situation.
So you're finally admitting that Down would not have scored that goal if the ball went to Cavan? Glad you've seen the light. Finally. And if they could have scored similar goals, why didn't they? Fact is they benefitted from a bad referring decision. Luckily Cavan won, so it didn't matter so much in the grand scheme
Couldn't tell you.
What ifs aren't certain.
Indeed, but we can be certain that goal wouldn't have been scored if Down weren't awarded that mark
Can we talk about the final.
If you are a team in div 4 your main goals are promotion, winning the All Ireland is not happening. Steady progression through Div 3 to gain promotion and you're at least ready to compete in your province (unless you're in Leinster)
If you win a B championship along the way then happy days!
This continued mismatch games (before this year) were poor shows (in my view)
It's got to happen and some teams will be feel aggrieved at the start..
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 17, 2020, 09:54:37 PM
Can we talk about the final.
Bonner must be worried, playing daft auld mind games about poor Michael Murphy getting no protection. From what I see, Murphy is well able to dish it out too. Wasnt Bonner over one of those U21 teams Cavan bet back in the day, one with McBrearty on it?
Anyway, I have no idea why and I have no logical reason for this but I think Cavan will go for this and might rattle Donegal.
Quote from: Itchy on November 17, 2020, 10:07:08 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 17, 2020, 09:54:37 PM
Can we talk about the final.
Bonner must be worried, playing daft auld mind games about poor Michael Murphy getting no protection. From what I see, Murphy is well able to dish it out too. Wasnt Bonner over one of those U21 teams Cavan bet back in the day, one with McBrearty on it?
Anyway, I have no idea why and I have no logical reason for this but I think Cavan will go for this and might rattle Donegal.
Would need to play for two half this time!
How tired would the lads be leading up to this? Both teams?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2020, 10:13:29 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 17, 2020, 10:07:08 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 17, 2020, 09:54:37 PM
Can we talk about the final.
Bonner must be worried, playing daft auld mind games about poor Michael Murphy getting no protection. From what I see, Murphy is well able to dish it out too. Wasnt Bonner over one of those U21 teams Cavan bet back in the day, one with McBrearty on it?
Anyway, I have no idea why and I have no logical reason for this but I think Cavan will go for this and might rattle Donegal.
Would need to play for two half this time!
How tired would the lads be leading up to this? Both teams?
It was interesting listening to Mickey Harte who said hed prefer his team to be playing the games rather than have a break waiting. Cavan have finished all their games well so fitness hasn't been an issue yet. Would Donegal have preferred a tougher game in the semi, I think so.
Quote from: delgany on November 16, 2020, 10:46:37 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 16, 2020, 10:40:29 PM
Does anyone know to Cavan now avoid the B Championship next yr as a result of making this final? I read somewhere that was the case.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1019/1084423-two-tier-senior-football-championship-to-begin-in-2020/
It may be subject to change due to Covid - who knows
Not decided on yet. If the CCCC choose to have a regional league for 2021 (starting February 20th BTW) then the likes of Tipp and Cavan will avoid the All-Ireland B competition next summer.
If the normal NFL is played off then Cavan, Tipperary would have to either gain promotion to Division 2 or reach another provincial final to avoid the B All-Ireland.
Looking likely that the Super 8s will be scrapped and a return to the knock out stand alone Quarter final.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 17, 2020, 11:17:38 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 16, 2020, 10:46:37 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 16, 2020, 10:40:29 PM
Does anyone know to Cavan now avoid the B Championship next yr as a result of making this final? I read somewhere that was the case.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1019/1084423-two-tier-senior-football-championship-to-begin-in-2020/
It may be subject to change due to Covid - who knows
Not decided on yet. If the CCCC choose to have a regional league for 2021 (starting February 20th BTW) then the likes of Tipp and Cavan will avoid the All-Ireland B competition next summer.
If the normal NFL is played off then Cavan, Tipperary would have to either gain promotion to Division 2 or reach another provincial final to avoid the B All-Ireland.
Looking likely that the Super 8s will be scrapped and a return to the knock out stand alone Quarter final.
If the normal NFL is replaced in 2021 with a regional NFL, then the B championship shouldn't happen next year (personally i think it should never happen).
Super 8 or knockout QFs - hardly matters in the great scheme of things, as the whole AI structures are a load of bollix.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 17, 2020, 11:17:38 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 16, 2020, 10:46:37 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 16, 2020, 10:40:29 PM
Does anyone know to Cavan now avoid the B Championship next yr as a result of making this final? I read somewhere that was the case.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1019/1084423-two-tier-senior-football-championship-to-begin-in-2020/
It may be subject to change due to Covid - who knows
Not decided on yet. If the CCCC choose to have a regional league for 2021 (starting February 20th BTW) then the likes of Tipp and Cavan will avoid the All-Ireland B competition next summer.
If the normal NFL is played off then Cavan, Tipperary would have to either gain promotion to Division 2 or reach another provincial final to avoid the B All-Ireland.
Looking likely that the Super 8s will be scrapped and a return to the knock out stand alone Quarter final.
If the normal NFL is replaced in 2021 with a regional NFL, then the B championship shouldn't happen next year (personally i think it should never happen).
Super 8 or knockout QFs - hardly matters in the great scheme of things, as the whole AI structures are a load of bollix.
They are going to plough along with the B All-Ireland next year regardless. Shouldn't have brought it back IMO but those in Congress thought otherwise.
Knock out Qfs gives the underdogs a better chance of reaching All-Ireland semi finals plus knock out football is better than group system for the last 8 again in my opinion.
Mr Covid will influence a lot of decisions.
I'm sure Cavan will be looking forward to a semi final with Meath.
No individual player deserves protection especially one that refs the game himself. Murphy should have got gate last year in first few minutes.
Quote from: mrdeeds on November 18, 2020, 10:10:54 AM
No individual player deserves protection especially one that refs the game himself. Murphy should have got gate last year in first few minutes.
Indeed he should have, I'd hazard that any other player would have got the line for that. So maybe that does swing both ways, the big players do get targeted, but do get decisions like this too. Part and parcel of being the big player I suppose
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Quote from: Angelo on November 17, 2020, 09:43:46 AM
The goal came from sloppy defending. You could trace most scores back to a point where a referee makes a mistake. There is no way Down should be able to work a score from that situation so easily so to blame the referee for that one is absolutely laughable.
What if a Down player kicked it straight to a Cavan player from the move and Cavan went and scored a goal? Would you have blamed the ref for that?
I know it came from sloppy defending, but you repeatedly miss the point, that sloppy defending wouldn't have happened like that if Cavan rightly got the ball. That goal came from the same possession within 10 seconds of that mark being kicked. A mark within the 45, which is obviously wrong. All I'm saying, is that if that was not a mark, but a sideline to Cavan, then that exact move would not have happened, and we can't say that goal would have happened. That's a big swing. You're over complicating the whole situation. The fact is that goal would not have happened if Cavan got the sideline ball. Jeez man...
I'm not the one completely missing the point, it's you is missing the point. If we apply your logic, you could trace most scores back to a refereeing mistake, if you look at the Cavan penalty you could probably argue a free that Down should have been awarded in the minute or two before it and argue that if that free had been awarded the goal wouldn't have been scored.
The bottom line is, the point that you keep missing is, that the award of the free is not the reason Down scored that goal, no team should be able to run the ball from their 45 yard line without having a glove laid on them and score a goal. That goal was not the referee's fault. If you want to attribute every minor error the ref makes to a score you could be there all day.
The difference between that mistake and the Reilly one is absolute night and day.
Ok, answer me this simply. Would that goal have been scored in that way, if Cavan got the sideline ball, and Down did not get the 45?
Quite possibly if that's the way Cavan were set up in the first half.
It was the wrong decision but it was not the reason for the goal. Allowing a team to run the ball from their own half without getting a glove on them is not the referee's fault.
So you think the exact same goal, with the exact same move would happen, even if Cavan got the ball. Please stop man ;D ;D you're embarrassing yourself
They may well have scored a goal that half, but not that one, as both teams would have set up for the sideline ball differently, and Down would not have had the ball to attack a stretched Cavan defence. That is my point, just ridiculous you think they could have scored that goal if the decision went the other way.
It's very possible Down would have scored a similar goal yes. Down ran the ball from their 45 yard line without a Cavan player laying a glove on them.
You are fairly reaching to be putting the blame at the referee in that situation.
So you're finally admitting that Down would not have scored that goal if the ball went to Cavan? Glad you've seen the light. Finally. And if they could have scored similar goals, why didn't they? Fact is they benefitted from a bad referring decision. Luckily Cavan won, so it didn't matter so much in the grand scheme
Couldn't tell you.
What ifs aren't certain.
Indeed, but we can be certain that goal wouldn't have been scored if Down weren't awarded that mark
We simply cannot. What ifs aren't certain so I fail to see how you could conclude that.
Quote from: Angelo on November 18, 2020, 02:23:18 PM
We simply cannot. What ifs aren't certain so I fail to see how you could conclude that.
Of course we can be certain, the entire move that Down made for that goal would therefore not have happened, as Cavan would have the ball and they'd be attacking instead. We can be absolutely 100% certain that the goal would not have been scored in that way if Cavan got the ball. I really don't understand how you think differently, all players would have set up in a different formation with a Cavan ball...
Anyway, on to the match. Weather looking to be an ok afternoon on Sunday. Good day will suit Donegal, although if the pitch is still heavy, and the goalmouth/20 areas are re-laid then they could lift a bit. Think Cavan will learn from last year and the games this year. Donegal still will likely win, but maybe not as big a margin as some are saying. The war of words from both camps has started already. Be interesting to see where things are by Sunday.
If Cavan got a 10 point lead in the first half would they know what to do next?
Not happening Orior. This Donegal team is a different animal this year. I can see a dozen points in it and thats not being disrespectful.
No disrespect to cavan but I'd say the donegal management team will have one eye on the semi final already. They'll churn out the usual lines, one game at a time, cavan will be tough etc etc but realistically the dubs are on the horizon. Think I'm correct in that it's ulster v Leinster this year?
Donegal turning into a very good team but I don't get why people think they'll beat Dublin. I would love to be wrong but I just really don't see it.
Quote from: Orior on November 18, 2020, 03:46:20 PM
If Cavan got a 10 point lead in the first half would they know what to do next?
Probably go on to have an even better second half, like they've done in every match since the restart! :D
Quote from: An Watcher on November 18, 2020, 04:00:14 PM
No disrespect to cavan but I'd say the donegal management team will have one eye on the semi final already. They'll churn out the usual lines, one game at a time, cavan will be tough etc etc but realistically the dubs are on the horizon. Think I'm correct in that it's ulster v Leinster this year?
Absolutely fine by Cavan. Let them do that, that's a sure fire way of slipping up. If they take one eye off, that's when a team like Cavan will beat you, a team when doesn't know it's dead and won't go away will take advantage of concentration slipping
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 18, 2020, 04:00:48 PM
Donegal turning into a very good team but I don't get why people think they'll beat Dublin. I would love to be wrong but I just really don't see it.
I don't think anyone is really saying we'll beat Dublin.
They're saying we're the most likely to put it up to Dublin now that Kerry are gone (I'd have Mayo in that category, personally).
I'd say most still would have Dublin down to win it by five or six points.
I'd be far more worried about a game against Mayo, if we did somehow get through Cavan and Dublin. Dublin would be a free hit. Mayo just have our number and physically bully us. Maybe this would be the year to change that, but last year was supposed to be, and the whole team wilted from the challenge, except for Murphy's Superman act to try and drag us through single-handedly.
Quote from: An Watcher on November 18, 2020, 04:00:14 PM
No disrespect to cavan but I'd say the donegal management team will have one eye on the semi final already. They'll churn out the usual lines, one game at a time, cavan will be tough etc etc but realistically the dubs are on the horizon. Think I'm correct in that it's ulster v Leinster this year?
It is disrespect to think like that and I really hope that they are thinking like that.
Quote from: Itchy on November 18, 2020, 04:41:07 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on November 18, 2020, 04:00:14 PM
No disrespect to cavan but I'd say the donegal management team will have one eye on the semi final already. They'll churn out the usual lines, one game at a time, cavan will be tough etc etc but realistically the dubs are on the horizon. Think I'm correct in that it's ulster v Leinster this year?
It is disrespect to think like that and I really hope that they are thinking like that.
They didn't think like that against Armagh. They didn't in last year's final.
All Bonner has to say is "Cork!".
I will be the first to applaud you Itchy if you are competitive against Donegal. As I say I dont think Cavan are a bad team, but I think Donegal are 20 - 30% better than last year which is a large amount. Yes J70, Mayo did put you to the sword easily that night in Castlebar, but you were a very tired team....peaking in May to beat Tyrone, again in Ulster final six weeks later, again versus Kerry drawing in Croke Park and I had a feeling you would go out like a light the way you did.
This year....fresh, hungry, four or five new players, Rochford in and playing with a real swagger.
I think they could go all the way, honestly.
There's a number of reasons Donegal are being tipped to beat Dublin.
They were actually flying it up until the Mayo game last year. A lot of their big men didn't perform but it's also worth noting the injury problems, Ban Gallagher is a huge player for them, Neil McGee is still a vital cog and he was also missing. They lost J McGee in midfield early due to injury, think McGonagle missed the Championship last year and Paddy McGrath also picked up a bad injury in that game. And it's Mayo in Castlebar in a knockout game and Mayo were terrific.
They are advancing well Donegal, you look at Mogan this year who has been superb, McGonagle in midfield has been great. Langan, Niall O'Donnell and Thompson have all come on leaps and bounds. A semi-final with Dublin will be the big test. Donegal did have two important games against Tyrone since the resumption that both sides needed a win in and Donegal won both matches. The routinely swatted aside Armagh at the weekend and they're doing this with Murphy and McHugh being relatively quiet. For the first time in a while Donegal look like they are actually more than a Murphy and McHugh double act.
Then there's the other side of the coin - Dublin. We still have questions, new manager, unsettled team and possibly undercooked, no McCaffrey, winter football though Croke Park still plays well but Dublin were iffy enough in the league in what will be similar conditions. I saw bits and pieces of the two games, Howard is on the bench, so is Mannion. I don't think Fenton is going that well and McCarthy has been quiet enough. I think Meath could actually give them a right go but we'll see. Bar Kilkenny and Bugler so far I haven't really seen too many of those Dublin players look at their best and you could find the hunger may not be there this year with the strange atmosphere about the Championship.
I certainly don't think anyone from the pack has as good a chance at an All Ireland as there is this year.
Everyone jumping on the Donegal hype train bandwagon, that's all it is.
Dublin are still the team to beat.
I think every year (for the last few), people have been dying to think that there's a team that'll put it up to the Dubs. There's a desperation there; a hope that the Championship isn't inevitable. With Kerry gone, people are turning to Donegal and Mayo, and of course, the column inches still have to be written.
IMO we don't deserve to be talken about as challengers to the Dubs. We've shite the bed the last 2 years when the pressure came on, and suddenly we're going to beat what is probably the greatest Gaeic Football team ever?
Cavan will give us a right rattle in the Ulster final. I'll be shocked and incredibly disappointed if we don't win it (no offence to the Cavan Gaels) but it's not a foregone conclusion.
We're a good team; probably as skillful a bunch as I've ever seen line out for us, but I don't think we are the great hope that the country is waiting for.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/cavan-s-mickey-graham-this-is-100-per-cent-bonus-territory-for-us-1.4412841
Cavan's Mickey Graham: 'This is 100 per cent bonus territory for us'
Donegal to provide daunting challenge in Sunday's Ulster SFC Final
about 9 hours ago Updated: about 3 hours ago
Ian O'Riordan
Mickey Graham has already earned a subtle reputation for orchestrating minor miracles on the football field, and he sounds well pleased with the latest one.
With the score, the odds, the incentive and whatever else stacked against them, his Cavan team came from 1-9 to 0-2 behind, just before half-time, to beat Down by a single point in last Sunday's Ulster football semi-final. No one and everyone can say they saw it coming.
Because this sort of hide-and-seek tactic has served Graham particularly well, as long as it works of course. Cavan produced a similarly spirited comeback to beat Monaghan in the Ulster preliminary round, when no one saw them being beaten, and they also took the second half of their semi-final win over Antrim by the scruff of the neck.
"In fairness the lads just had a wee chat amongst themselves," says Graham. "There was no panic, they just realised they weren't doing a lot of things they should have been doing, were letting themselves down. As a management team we just said if this is our last 35, 40 minutes of the year, let's just play with some pride, really go for it. When you've nothing to lose, it's knockout football, let's have no regrets.
"We threw some caution to the wind, made some adjustments and pushed a few lads up the field. Sometimes those things don't pay off, and this was just one of those days it just about worked."
Pádraig Faulkner, Thomas Galligan and half-time replacement Conor Madden were all immense, Cavan also pinching 10 of Down's 12 kick-outs as they pressed ever higher. A small part of this minor miracle is that it landed Cavan in back-to-back Ulster football finals for the first time since 1969.
• Cavan into Ulster final after stunning Down comeback
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• Shanahan impressed with Cahill's impact on a resurgent Waterford
Last year, when they also faced off against Donegal, it was their first final appearance since 2001, when Graham came off the bench in the narrow defeat to Tyrone. They haven't won the Ulster title since 1997, Graham also part of that team, and it's come after two successive relegations in the league, to Division 2 last year, more recently to Division 3.
Cavan players celebrate the Ulster semi-final victory over Armagh at the Athletic Grounds. Photograph: Matt Mackey/Inpho
"That was the just the situation we found ourselves in," admits Graham. "First and foremost, we were just delighted to be back playing football. When we did come back, we just said we'd take it one step at a time, try to consolidate our Division 2 status. Unfortunately we didn't get the results we needed, but still felt we were learning along the way.
"After that it was all about Monaghan. That's all you want from the players, just go out and give it a right go, playing with a bit of freedom, and expression, which they showed that day too.
"In fairness they were doing that in a lot of games this year, even when results weren't going our way. But I feel the lads know now there is a wee bit of resilience there, because this isn't the first time they've been able to get a result from a nearly impossible position. And look, Cavan have suffered some heavy defeats down through the years, and if anything that has made them a bit more mentally tough, that they know how to give it everything when they do go out."
A quick glance through Graham's orchestral CV reveals ample evidence of teams knowing how to give their all: from winning a county intermediate title in 2006 with Drumalee, a small club on the outskirts of Cavan town, to the historic Leinster football title with Longford club Mullinalaghta, in 2018.
Sunday's showdown against Donegal is a different proposition. Cavan held up reasonably well last year in Graham's first season as manager, losing 1-24 to 2-16, but this Donegal team, contesting their ninth final in 10 years and seeking a sixth title in that periods, are viewed as the only contenders remaining to Dublin's All-Ireland crown.
Still a large part of this miracle is that in the depths of the pandemic winter Cavan are still out there. Graham's work with Coca-Cola has him on the road meeting [from a social distance] some of the county supporters, and some of them still can't believe it.
"At the start of this championship, if you came out and said Cavan were going to be in an Ulster final, people would laugh at you. So this is 100 per cent bonus territory for us, in an Ulster final, coming up against probably the second best team in the country. They're a formidable outfit, we're under no illusions about that, the challenge that lies ahead.
"We're just delighted to be still playing football at this time of year. They're only seven teams left in the country, Cavan are one of them. And if there is anything to take out of this, it's given people something to look forward to at weekend. Especially Cavan people, they've been sitting at home at weekends, with nothing to do. I've been moving around, and the amount of people saying to me they're so excited to have something to look forward to again this weekend.
"Even dropping the young child to school this week, the excitement in their faces, they need it as much as we do. They can't go anywhere beyond school. And if it can inspire the next generation of young footballers in Cavan in some small way that will be a success in itself."
Early days yet but Cavan giving a far better account of themselves than Armagh against Donegal.
Donegal would want to wake up if they want a crack at Dublin
Mickey Graham has done a hell of a job with this Cavan team
Killian Brady black carded, a blow to Cavan
Never a black card
Cavan had started too well for barry cassidy so he decided to give the favs a helping hand.....well known for that is Barry
Ryan McHugh is always throwing the hands up screaming that's he's always hard done by. It's clearly a Donegal tactic, and it worked there. I don't think the ref was for doing anything until he threw the hands up.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 22, 2020, 04:17:29 PM
Ryan McHugh is always throwing the hands up screaming that's he's always hard done by. It's clearly a Donegal tactic, and it worked there. I don't think the ref was for doing anything until he threw the hands up.
Even if it is a Donegal thing, he is by far the worst at it
That's just a f**king joke of a decision
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2020, 04:13:30 PM
Early days yet but Cavan giving a far better account of themselves than Armagh against Donegal.
They really turned it on after the water break against us
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 04:14:33 PM
Never a black card
Ryan McHugh made an absolute meal of it, had a real hissy fit on his knees!!
Clear black card, not sure how it could be see otherwise. He deliberately ran across Ryan.
After a shakey start our attack has started to click - still look very open at the back.
Cassidy fucked any chance Cavan had here, 5 scores on the trot in the black card time for Donegal.
Quote from: StephenC on November 22, 2020, 04:19:44 PM
Clear black card, not sure how it could be see otherwise. He deliberately ran across Ryan.
After a shakey start our attack has started to click - still look very open at the back.
McHugh ran across him just as much.
Cassidy riding Cavan out of it here
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on November 22, 2020, 04:19:08 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 04:14:33 PM
Never a black card
Ryan McHugh made an absolute meal of it, had a real hissy fit on his knees!!
He's always at that. Hard to like him. Fantastic player though
Cassidy is absolutely riding Cavan here.
O'Reilly was swung around by the shoulders there.
Donegal player knew what he was doing there.
That's nasty looking
Quote from: square_ball on November 22, 2020, 04:27:29 PM
Donegal player knew what he was doing there.
I don't know about that
Big team bias, Cavan having to work twice as hard for frees and the black was a joke
Hard to say there but could easily have been a red. Cavan have cause to be furious at some of the decisions made by Cassidy here.
It was 0-05 - 0-02 Cavan before the black card and I think 0-9 - 0-06 Donegal by the end of it.
Quote from: square_ball on November 22, 2020, 04:27:29 PM
Donegal player knew what he was doing there.
Left the elbow in to do the Cavan player. That was a horrible cheap shot. Should have been a red card. If Donegal win this he should get a retrospective ban for that
Woeful refereeing by Cassidy, Cavan can feel very hard done by, the game changed on the black card.
Quote from: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 04:28:16 PM
Quote from: square_ball on November 22, 2020, 04:27:29 PM
Donegal player knew what he was doing there.
I actually think he did too.
Absolutely. And Ger and McStay don't see it...trailing arm my ass. Sending off offence
Definite red card deliberately took out one of Cavan's best players.
It might be an Ulster final in Armagh in late November in front of no spectators, but you just knew there would be an ice cream van hanging around the place
An Ulster final is an Ulster final
I still don't see any way Donegal challenge Dublin. Very loose in defense. Still a very good team no doubt but not at that level.
That's a mark!
Cavan denied an almost certain point
Cassidy has been worth 6 points to Donegal in that first half.
Why didn't the ref give that last catch as a mark? Looked like he called it as he landed.
Ref has been the most important factor in Donegal leading at half time
It was blocked on the way in so no mark.
According to Marty Clarke.... who to be fair to him comes across very knowledgeable
That was Cavans best 1st half of this years championship if they can deliver another good 2nd half performance they might just might produce a shock.
Cassidy is a poor ref and has favoured Donegal in that 1st half.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 04:42:03 PM
That's a mark!
Cavan denied an almost certain point
Was half distracted, was the ball into McKiernan a free? If not, a certain mark
I know he's a Derryman but must have some Donegal blood. Very harsh on Cavan.
Donegal would want to wake up. Cavan seem far more up for this, and are defending like terriers. We got lucky with the black card or we'd be in trouble. Bonner better be reading the riot act.
Quote from: weareros on November 22, 2020, 04:45:36 PM
I know he's a Derryman but must have some Donegal blood. Very harsh on Cavan.
Both parents from Donegal, has a caravan in The Downings, favours suits by Magee and Football Special is his favourite tipple.
That ref has never been very good tbh.
Having watched Cassidy on numerous occasions I am simply shocked that he has been the dominant factor in this game ::)
There's a reason why he's only had 3 Ulster Championship games before now & is better known as a linesman in the bigger games.
Cassidy has certainly been easier on us. Sure looked like a mark at the end - must have been a very small touch if there was one.
Having just seen the black card, I'll change my position - it was very harsh.
On first look, I felt the McGonagle challenge was accidental - looked like he was tracking his man. But will need to see it again. Hope Galligan is OK.
We'll need to tighten up at the back if we're to win this, and to take a goal chance when it comes along.
Cavan needed a bit of luck in this game and thanks to Barry Cassidy its Donegal getting it all. Galligan gone now for 2nd half, massive loss and a serious injustice.
Black card was a borderline decision. Deliberate or not?
Only the player will know for sure and the ref just had a moment to make up his mind. Tomas OSe thought it was deliberate, O'Rourke thought it wasn't.
I would not have given the card on the basis I couldn't be sure it was deliberate. Albeit if he wasn't looking to take out McHugh, what was he trying to do?
Fair to say more of the borderline decisions have gone Donegal's way.
What a miss
Donegal's defence opened up like the Red Sea there
Big goal chance not taken for Cavan.
Cavan playing fantastic stuff, great commitment and ability. No luck regarding chances and referring decisions. Hope they can go on and win it.
Cassidy bowing to every shout from the Donegal sideline.
Thomas Galligan today is the Gaelic football equivalent of those cartoon characters who are followed around by their own personal rain shower
Quote from: Angelo on November 22, 2020, 05:10:57 PM
Cassidy bowing to every shout from the Donegal sideline.
That free McGee got there is laughable. Cassidy is properly riding Cavan here
The defensive effort and heart shown by Cavan has been unreal.
That two marshmallow soft frees Donegal have scored from 2nd half.
Its actually turning into a disgusting refereeing performance now
McBrearty must have taken about 10 steps there.
Neil McGee and Murphy looking their age today, Cavan if it weren't for Cassidy would be well on their way to winning this.
Cavan are going to win this
Mickey Graham seems to have the makings of a very good manager. Declan Bonner for Donegal on the other hand lacks that personality.
Some calls are very soft. But it's not making Cavan lose this game there's 19 minutes to go if Cavan get another chance on the goal they'll take it. Donegal need to raise their game but momentum will play a big part on this, depends on who gets it!
Another Black card! f**k me
This is the worst ever.
Cassidy should never ref intercounty again. Disgraceful.
There is so much to admire about this Cavan team
Another black card
Conor Madden seconds after he scored a beauty of a point
The fix is in
That was definitely a black card!
Apart from that call Cassidy has been horrific though.
Another soft black card. Donegal are poxed to be leading this match.
Shades of Martin Sludden here. He's lucky there aren't fans in the stadium today.
This is a f**kin joke at this stage. Ref is just taking the piss at this stage
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2020, 05:17:09 PM
Some calls are very soft. But it's not making Cavan lose this game there's 19 minutes to go if Cavan get another chance on the goal they'll take it. Donegal need to raise their game but momentum will play a big part on this, depends on who gets it!
Another Black card! f**k me
It was 0-6 to 0-01 in favour of Donegal in the first black card period. It made a huge, huge difference.
I think that one was a black card
Black card my hole. Cassidy is embarrassing himself here, he's screwing Cavan at every turn.
Derrymen destroy everything they touch
Yellow card offence, ref has rode Cavan
There is a purpose about the way Cavan are moving that Donegal just don't have at the moment
Cavan being absolutely rode today by Cassidy. 2 nin black cards and the non given mark the most blatant.
Quote from: screenexile on November 22, 2020, 05:17:47 PM
That was definitely a black card!
Apart from that call Cassidy has been horrific though.
Wording is critical here
Quote5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.
Nailed on black card here.
I think this might be the offence for the first black card as well.
Well, whatever the outcome here, Dublin will win the All-Ireland pulling up.
Level game
Donegal seem shell shocked that they're in a fight here
And now a chance to go ahead
Cavan supporters should be so proud of their team.
Quote from: twohands!!! on November 22, 2020, 05:23:05 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 22, 2020, 05:17:47 PM
That was definitely a black card!
Apart from that call Cassidy has been horrific though.
Wording is critical here
Quote5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.
Nailed on black card here.
I think this might be the offence for the first black card as well.
You couldn't say the first one was deliberate
he's started to give cavan a few decisions now. About time too
Cavan take a deserved lead. 8 minutes of normal time left.
Great save
Cavan have showed such an indomitable spirit in this championship that you can't help but root for them
Even if Dublin would pummel them
Oisin Kiernan with a beauty to go ahead again
After watching last nights game and tonight's I would give anything for the GAA to do away with the black card and the mark, 2 stupid rules killing the game
Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 05:29:08 PM
Cavan have showed such an indomitable spirit in this championship that you can't help but root for them
Even if Dublin would pummel them
Oisin Kiernan with a beauty to go ahead again
Heroic effort. Will the 20 min at 14 men be an issue in the last few min?
What a goal chance for Cavan and don't even get a point
Galligan is some warrior
Langan never missed as much
Incredible
Incredible
Incredible!!!!!
Quote from: Rudi on November 22, 2020, 05:34:05 PM
Langan never missed as much
Last year against Mayo in a similarly tense game
Jesus Mary and st Joseph.
What odds a Tipp and Cavan double today?
Holy f**k, come on Cavan!!!
Well done Cavan.
Thoroughly deserved.
YESSSSSSSS
From screaming at him for wasting the free to roaring for the goal.
Justice hopefully about to be done
Fair play to Cavan well worth their victory both them and Tipperary have been magnificent!!
Dublin may get the pipe and slippers they'll cruise the next 2 games. Will Mayo be able to do anything? Hard to see it!
Hon cavan
Thomas Galligan what a player he is. All star in the bag after that.
Hon cavan
Same semi final line up as 1920 looking good now!
Well you can't argue with that. 2 soft black cards and some dodgy decisions against them and Cavan still showed what you need to win an Ulster title. Hats off to them.
Hard to know what we were at TBH. Unclear what our gameplan was and we were incapable of getting our main men on the ball. Anyway, that's for another day. Congrats Cavan.
Brilliant. Well done
Delighted for Cavan... What a warrior like performance
Only beat us by 4 ffs! ;D
Unreal.
That performance from Cavan was outstanding, the courage, heart and bravery on display there today was outrageous.
Wow
Take a bow Mickey Graham and team
They've done something absolutely remarkable for their county
One of the greatest Ulster titles ever won
Well you can't argue with that. 2 soft black cards and some dodgy decisions against them and Cavan still showed what you need to win an Ulster title. Hats off to them.
Hard to know what we were at TBH. Unclear what our gameplan was and we were incapable of getting our main men on the ball. Anyway, that's for another day. Congrats Cavan.
Well done Cavan.....superb display.....tomas galligan take a bow son
Nothing against Donegal, but this was a heroic performance from Cavan, delighted for them. Team of the 2020 championship. McKiernan and O Reilly deserve their moment in the sun.
Fan-tache-tic!!
Well done Cavan.
Delighted for Cavan. What a day for the provincial championships with Cavan and Tipperary winning enjoy the celebrations lads. An awful shame Cavan supporters aren't on the field right now with their heroes.
A bit of pluck there from Cavan, Donegal were lackadaisical, no intensity no urgency.
Quote from: StephenC on November 22, 2020, 05:38:30 PM
Well you can't argue with that. 2 soft black cards and some dodgy decisions against them and Cavan still showed what you need to win an Ulster title. Hats off to them.
Hard to know what we were at TBH. Unclear what our gameplan was and we were incapable of getting our main men on the ball. Anyway, that's for another day. Congrats Cavan.
Looks like a few boys got distracted by the Dublin talk.
Cavan won every 50/50 ball, didn't give us a sniff after the half hour mark, and thoroughly deserved that win.
Reminded me of the Monaghan final in 2013.
Congrats & all the credit in the world due to Cavan!
Dunno what Donegal were at, thinking of the Dubs no doubt.
Well done Cavan. Best team won in the end. Delighted for them
What did Donegal score in the 2nd half, 3 points?
Michael Murphy looked like his legs have gone. He was anonymous today.
Only for some poor shooting towards the end Cavan would have won more comfortably. Martin Reilly and Thomas Galligan were immense
Congratulations Cavan, terrific effort and well deserved title.
Some eye on him lol
Superb display by Cavan. I had Donegal down as a certainty for this one, but totally underestimated Cavans indominatible spirit. Not to mention some superb players all over the pitch. Defence outstanding. What a day for the underdog, and humblest apologies if I treated Cavan with disrespect earlier in the week. Enjoy the day and the weeks ahead.
Great to see, well done Cavan.
Donegal arrogance cost them, they thought it would be a breeze today.
Well done Cavan. Justice done in the end. The fight and hunger was as good as you'll ever see. Great day for Gaelic Football overall.
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2020, 05:41:12 PM
A bit of pluck there from Cavan, Donegal were lackadaisical, no intensity no urgency.
Give Cavan more credit than that. "A bit of pluck" you're still obviously sore about them doing Monaghan.
Tyrone beat cavan by 16 points last year. Ben mcdonnell goal. Some turn round for cavan, well deserving champions
Semi finals exactly as they were in 1920
Wow. What a result. Where did that come from for Cavan? Some turnaround from the league. Donegal will be sick though.
Mental, what a day for the underdog.
Well deserved Cavan, best team in Ulster this year and did it the hard way coming from the prelim round on a tight schedule
Well done Cavan. Best team won.
Cavan have been the team of destiny in this Ulster Championship
But there's no such thing as destiny
Quote from: Armamike on November 22, 2020, 05:45:20 PM
Wow. What a result. Where did that come from for Cavan? Some turnaround from the league. Donegal will be sick though.
We got what we deserved.
I'd Cavan even money +8!!!
Was waiting on this for my 4 timer which had Galway -1 Dubs -10 and Tipp +4!
Happy days
Will Cavan still be playing in the 2nd tier next year? (if they don't get promoted or make an Ulster final)
Fair play to Mickey Graham, he has the ability to turn out a determined team even if the raw materials are not superior on paper.
Mighty win for Cavan. Delighted for them.
Quote from: tintin25 on November 22, 2020, 05:48:46 PM
Will Cavan still be playing in the 2nd tier next year? (if they don't get promoted or make an Ulster final)
They can join Tipp in the b championship
Quote from: armaghniac on November 22, 2020, 05:49:03 PM
Fair play to Mickey Graham, he has the ability to turn out a determined team even if the raw materials are not superior on paper.
Quote from: tintin25 on November 22, 2020, 05:48:46 PM
Will Cavan still be playing in the 2nd tier next year? (if they don't get promoted or make an Ulster final)
The concept of the second tier hasn't really done well this weekend.
There are 8 or 10 complete also rans, there are another 20 teams that compete among themselves, and Dublin.
Great to see. Its unlikely.......it's very very unlikely...... but 2020 could see a Cavan v Tipp football final......
Fair play to Cavan
https://youtu.be/G5QPirQITZI
Some emotions on show from the Cavan lads. Just shows what this means to them. Heartwarming stuff.
Cavan need to push for the athletic grounds or Portlaoise for the semi final. There is absolutely no need for it to be in Croke Park with no crowd.
The Ulster Football Championship is truly special.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 22, 2020, 05:53:21 PM
Cavan need to push for the athletic grounds or Portlaoise for the semi final. There is absolutely no need for it to be in Croke Park with no crowd.
Absolutely.
Quote from: J70 on November 22, 2020, 05:42:46 PM
Quote from: StephenC on November 22, 2020, 05:38:30 PM
Well you can't argue with that. 2 soft black cards and some dodgy decisions against them and Cavan still showed what you need to win an Ulster title. Hats off to them.
Hard to know what we were at TBH. Unclear what our gameplan was and we were incapable of getting our main men on the ball. Anyway, that's for another day. Congrats Cavan.
Looks like a few boys got distracted by the Dublin talk.
Cavan won every 50/50 ball, didn't give us a sniff after the half hour mark, and thoroughly deserved that win.
Reminded me of the Monaghan final in 2013.
Yeah, had that feel about it. We may not like it, but there's no avoiding the fact that this team has, for 3 years in a row, not been able to deliver in a knock-out high-intensity game. Our younger lads looked VERY young today. And old older lads looked old. It's a sobering day.
Over the moon for Cavan. Got to say i didnt see it coming. Delighted
That second half by Donegal was reminiscent of the Mayo game last year in the 2nd half. Last year against Mayo all the Donegal players went missing and it was left to Michael Murphy to try and do it all on his own. Today I'm the 2nd half all Donegal's big guns disappeared again and with Murphy struggling no one stood up to show any leadership. Even before the goal Cavan had got on top at that stage and they were the ones driving forward looking for the victory
Quote from: armaghniac on November 22, 2020, 05:49:03 PM
Fair play to Mickey Graham, he has the ability to turn out a determined team even if the raw materials are not superior on paper.
The difference a good coach makes is phenomenal
Mickey Graham has now added an Ulster title to a Leinster club title with Mullinyachta which was won against the might of the biggest club in Ireland, Kilmacud Crokes - that is serious going
Declan Bonner will be under pressure now
Donegal looking extremely impressive and then failing when it matters seems to be becoming a pattern
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 22, 2020, 05:53:21 PM
Cavan need to push for the athletic grounds or Portlaoise for the semi final. There is absolutely no need for it to be in Croke Park with no crowd.
Absolutely
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 22, 2020, 05:53:21 PM
Cavan need to push for the athletic grounds or Portlaoise for the semi final. There is absolutely no need for it to be in Croke Park with no crowd.
Totally agree
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 22, 2020, 05:53:21 PM
Cavan need to push for the athletic grounds or Portlaoise for the semi final. There is absolutely no need for it to be in Croke Park with no crowd.
That's a very valid point. Dublin have enough advantages as is.
Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 05:57:12 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 22, 2020, 05:49:03 PM
Fair play to Mickey Graham, he has the ability to turn out a determined team even if the raw materials are not superior on paper.
The difference a good coach makes is phenomenal
Mickey Graham has now added an Ulster title to a Leinster club title with Mullinyachta which was won against the might of the biggest club in Ireland, Kilmacud Crokes - that is serious going
Declan Bonner will be under pressure now
Donegal looking extremely impressive and then failing when it matters seems to be becoming a pattern
3 years in a row now they've fallen flat on their faces in an effective quarter final. Bonnar could be looking over his shoulder.
Quote from: square_ball on November 22, 2020, 05:59:20 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 05:57:12 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 22, 2020, 05:49:03 PM
Fair play to Mickey Graham, he has the ability to turn out a determined team even if the raw materials are not superior on paper.
The difference a good coach makes is phenomenal
Mickey Graham has now added an Ulster title to a Leinster club title with Mullinyachta which was won against the might of the biggest club in Ireland, Kilmacud Crokes - that is serious going
Declan Bonner will be under pressure now
Donegal looking extremely impressive and then failing when it matters seems to be becoming a pattern
3 years in a row now they've fallen flat on their faces in an effective quarter final. Bonnar could be looking over his shoulder.
They continue to flatter to deceive under Bonner alright.
They have too many attacking players. Eoin mchugh is a half forward playing corner back and ban Gallagher is a roving half back. You can get away with one but not two in corner back.
Against Armagh, Donegal had the wind and Armagh didn't get a couple of early chances, so Donegal went ahead and Armagh lost their composure completely. In that environment, Donegal certainly looked good. Today, Cavan kept coming at them and Donegal did not really perform.
Good to see that games do not always go to script.
That was some display by Cavan, the performance analysts and stats men will be scratching their heads as the game was won with a level of intensity, controlled aggression and pure raw emotion that rendered systems and processes redundant.
That was the highlight of the GAA year and I don't think it will be bettered, the post match interviews just showed what it meant. A great sporting day for Gaelic football.
Cavan's fitness levels in the games so far have looked top class. They have lots of athletic players around the middle of the pitch in the likes of Galligan, Brady, Smith, Clarke etc there.
Also fair play to someone like Martin Reilly who has hung on in there with Cavan through all the lean years.
Donegal over-rated because Armagh were so poor; as with Cork, probably felt they only had to turn up. Cavan deserve the title; as I recall, in the prelim round, they were 6 pts down to Monaghan with 10 mins to go, and looking pretty abject. But great spirit and heart and determination got them through in the end
Cavan Dublin should be in Navan
Tipp Mayo should be in Salthill
Guaranteed they'll both be at Croke Park though.
Galligan's interview on bbc bear had me in tears.
Brilliant performance, renews my faith in gaelic football a bit. Also, rubbishes the idea of doing away with the provincial championships. Dublin will probably hammer them but who cares
Valid point from mcconville there. Why should the semi finals be in croker. Take them to a wet n windy athletic grounds or portlaoise
Brilliant day for gaelic football. Great to see the raw emotion which has been missing these last few years. If this was any other year Donegal, Tyrone, Cork ,Kerry etc would have another chance and the stronger teams would survive. Hopefully this will put an end to the back door and the B championship
Quote from: BennyCake on November 22, 2020, 06:14:57 PM
Cavan Dublin should be in Navan
Tipp Mayo should be in Salthill
Guaranteed they'll both be at Croke Park though.
At the very least Dublin will be forced out of their home dressing home at Croke Park against "An Cabhan", right??
Ath Cliath will have to take the second changing room.
As memorable an afternoon of Gaelic football as I can remember, it was as earth shattering as FA Cup semi-final day 1990, perhaps the last afternoon of Gaelic football that made anything like this sort of impact was the time Kerry and Tyrone were taken out by Down and Dublin in 2010
And certain people said the public didn't care about the county game (hello Joe)
They may have to re-evaluate their stance now
The 1920 All-Ireland semi-final between Dublin and Cavan was in Navan
I'd be happy enough with that again
I think there's an argument to say that the county season should move back to later in the year on a permanent basis, have it from say August onwards with the finals at the end of October or even into November
Play the club championships from April until July
That way the club championships still get the long evenings and decent ground and also serve as a genuine proving ground for county teams - and cut back on the all consuming county training scene
The reason for it is that it will look better on TV. It has better lightning, better camera angles, and a better surface than anywhere else.
It's hard to argue with that reasoning.
Congrats to Cavan. Guts, passion and pure belief to end their Ulster famine. Mickey Graham deserves all the praise he's getting. Learnt from the last 3 Ulster championship games and got his team to produce a top 70 minutes performance today in truth they really should have beaten Donegal by more and they learnt loads from last year's 5 point Ulster final defeat.
They are now in bonus territory and the Cavan posters on here who had no faith after league relegation should be very proud of their team tonight.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 22, 2020, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 22, 2020, 05:49:03 PM
Fair play to Mickey Graham, he has the ability to turn out a determined team even if the raw materials are not superior on paper.
Quote from: tintin25 on November 22, 2020, 05:48:46 PM
Will Cavan still be playing in the 2nd tier next year? (if they don't get promoted or make an Ulster final)
The concept of the second tier hasn't really done well this weekend.
There are 8 or 10 complete also rans, there are another 20 teams that compete among themselves, and Dublin.
The second tier makes no difference to what happened today, teams only enter the second tier after they exit their provincial championship so both Cavan and Tipp would have still been able to do what they done today
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2020, 06:23:07 PM
The reason for it is that it will look better on TV. It has better lightning, better camera angles, and a better surface than anywhere else.
It's hard to argue with that reasoning.
Looking better on TV is very much in the eye of the beholder
Armagh is a great winter venue, the Athletic Grounds has a nice ambience, the surface was good, and it looked very well on television today, as did Pairc Ui Chaoimh yesterday and today
I think a smaller ground looks better empty than Croke Park does - even with crowds, Croke Park requires a minimum of 50k to not feel lonely
Maybe they could even hold the final in Armagh - if NI allows crowds in - and something like 1,000 people attended the play off at Windsor Park last week, why not hold it in there and let at least a few hundred in
Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2020, 06:23:07 PM
The reason for it is that it will look better on TV. It has better lightning, better camera angles, and a better surface than anywhere else.
It's hard to argue with that reasoning.
Looking better on TV is very much in the eye of the beholder
Armagh is a great winter venue, the Athletic Grounds has a nice ambience, the surface was good, and it looked very well on television today, as did Pairc Ui Chaoimh yesterday and today
I think a smaller ground looks better empty than Croke Park does - even with crowds, Croke Park requires a minimum of 50k to not feel lonely
Maybe they could even hold the final in Armagh - if NI allows crowds in - and something like 1,000 people attended the play off at Windsor Park last week, why not hold it in there and let at least a few hundred in
It's really not Sid.
You might find Armagh pretty. But Croke Park has innumerable fixed cameras, overhead cameras and Hawkeye.
It will provide a better visual experience for the tv viewer.
Well done Cavan.
Great to see one of the old traditional Counties doing the job.
Ye'll hardly be too worried about th'oul relegation now!
Armagh must have taken more out of Donegal last week than we realised 😊
Seriously though, fair play Cavan, team of 2020 so far, some team spirit, a well deserved Ulster!
There is something more atmospheric about a game played under floodlights. Moreso with fans but it also looks visually better. Same applies in soccer.
Logic would dictate that the semi finals be held at neutral venues but I suspect the GAA sponsors and marketing men will have their say. Let's hope not.
The campaign to bring the Dubs out of Croker must continue, especially this year when the capacity to hold a large audience cannot be used. Half way venue between the competing finalists.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2020, 06:34:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2020, 06:23:07 PM
The reason for it is that it will look better on TV. It has better lightning, better camera angles, and a better surface than anywhere else.
It's hard to argue with that reasoning.
Looking better on TV is very much in the eye of the beholder
Armagh is a great winter venue, the Athletic Grounds has a nice ambience, the surface was good, and it looked very well on television today, as did Pairc Ui Chaoimh yesterday and today
I think a smaller ground looks better empty than Croke Park does - even with crowds, Croke Park requires a minimum of 50k to not feel lonely
Maybe they could even hold the final in Armagh - if NI allows crowds in - and something like 1,000 people attended the play off at Windsor Park last week, why not hold it in there and let at least a few hundred in
It's really not Sid.
You might find Armagh pretty. But Croke Park has innumerable fixed cameras, overhead cameras and Hawkeye.
It will provide a better visual experience for the tv viewer.
Well I'm a TV viewer and would beg to disagree
I suspect many others would too
There is something crushing and soulless about an empty Croke Park that isn't there to the same extent at a venue like Armagh
Also given that there are no corporate commitments to fulfil there is no need for Croke Park for this match
As a Dub, I say level the playing field and give Cavan the neutral venue
Quote from: bannside on November 22, 2020, 06:48:09 PM
The campaign to bring the Dubs out of Croker must continue, especially this year when the capacity to hold a large audience cannot be used. Half way venue between the competing finalists.
100% and to hell with the rubbish spouted about players wanting to play in croke park , that's mostly in the context of the big day and big crowd .
No crowds no reason for dubs to have advantage
I'm not that bothered where we beat Dublin! ;)
What a win, so proud of them lads and sick I can't he there at breffni this evening to welcome them home. But what a win and what a day.
Thats what its all about Itchy. You must be bouncing with joy....today was as good as it gets for the under dog and thats what keeps all the lower tier counties living in hope, by witnessing performances and occasions like today.
Im proud to say Antrim at least gave you a competitive game, every scrap of encouragement is needed!
Quote from: bannside on November 22, 2020, 06:57:59 PM
Thats what its all about Itchy. You must be bouncing with joy....today was as good as it gets for the under dog and thats what keeps all the lower tier counties living in hope, by witnessing performances and occasions like today.
Im proud to say Antrim at least gave you a competitive game, every scrap of encouragement is needed!
That's it, that goal chance ye had goes in and Antrim couldve won. That's the beauty of competitive ulster championship and knock out football.
A great day for the GAA today with two massive underdogs really coming to the fore and ending long famines at provincial level.
But both were nearly derailed by two utterly shambolic refereeing performances. When are the GAA going to do something about some of the shambolic refereeing performances we see week in week out during Championship season?
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 22, 2020, 05:53:21 PM
Cavan need to push for the athletic grounds or Portlaoise for the semi final. There is absolutely no need for it to be in Croke Park with no crowd.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVqtzB0XYAIh5lJ?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
I can think of a grounds in Leinster that the Cavan management may be familiar with. ;D
Well done Mickey and JD.
It's often said that being involved in inter-county football or hurling in the modern era is no fun, that's it's a pure grind
One thing that is very obvious from just looking at or listening to Mickey Graham is that he brings a huge sense of fun and enjoyment to that Cavan team
Indomitable spirit like that does not happen by accident, it comes from having fun, from enjoyment, from trust, from loyalty, from the dressing room not being a grind but a happy place where players want to be
You need modern thinking, but you also need the very best of old school values
It's a massive lesson to some other bigger counties
You couldn't but be so happy for Cavan people, they'll be talking about this Ulster title for decades
Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 06:52:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2020, 06:34:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on November 22, 2020, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2020, 06:23:07 PM
The reason for it is that it will look better on TV. It has better lightning, better camera angles, and a better surface than anywhere else.
It's hard to argue with that reasoning.
Looking better on TV is very much in the eye of the beholder
Armagh is a great winter venue, the Athletic Grounds has a nice ambience, the surface was good, and it looked very well on television today, as did Pairc Ui Chaoimh yesterday and today
I think a smaller ground looks better empty than Croke Park does - even with crowds, Croke Park requires a minimum of 50k to not feel lonely
Maybe they could even hold the final in Armagh - if NI allows crowds in - and something like 1,000 people attended the play off at Windsor Park last week, why not hold it in there and let at least a few hundred in
It's really not Sid.
You might find Armagh pretty. But Croke Park has innumerable fixed cameras, overhead cameras and Hawkeye.
It will provide a better visual experience for the tv viewer.
Well I'm a TV viewer and would beg to disagree
I suspect many others would too
There is something crushing and soulless about an empty Croke Park that isn't there to the same extent at a venue like Armagh
Also given that there are no corporate commitments to fulfil there is no need for Croke Park for this match
As a Dub, I say level the playing field and give Cavan the neutral venue
I don't think the Dubs would have any complaints either and I don't think it will make any difference to the result. I agree that Croke Park is soulless when empty when all you can hear is a loud shrill echo.
Well Done To Cavan and let's hope they can give the Dubs a better game than what they got last night from Meath. I'd agree that the semis should be taken out of Croke Park which would help Cavan.
Quote from: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 06:54:26 PM
I'm not that bothered where we beat Dublin! ;)
What a win, so proud of them lads and sick I can't he there at breffni this evening to welcome them home. But what a win and what a day.
Well done Itchy, your boys played a hell of a game.
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 06:16:09 PM
Galligan's interview on bbc bear had me in tears.
Great stuff by him and his manager on tv. Pure speaking from the heart instead of this robotic prehersed stuff that managers and players come out with.
Cavan played with passion from the first whistle. The goalie said they talked during the week about having a cut at it and that's what they did.
Too many managers, and by extension players, just go through the motions - routine stuff with no passion etc. Graham is some manager- he has something which other managers like Bonner and Gallagher etc. don't have...passion with no little tactical nous and skill.
A great day for Cavan and their people - a huge gaa traditional county.
100 years after Bloody Sunday, the 4 same teams are in the semi-finala. That's magic.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 22, 2020, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 22, 2020, 06:14:57 PM
Cavan Dublin should be in Navan
Tipp Mayo should be in Salthill
Guaranteed they'll both be at Croke Park though.
At the very least Dublin will be forced out of their home dressing home at Croke Park against "An Cabhan", right??
Ath Cliath will have to take the second changing room.
#armaghornowhere
Quote from: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 06:54:26 PM
I'm not that bothered where we beat Dublin! ;)
What a win, so proud of them lads and sick I can't he there at breffni this evening to welcome them home. But what a win and what a day.
Great stuff Itchy.
You must be incredibly proud this evening.
From Shannon Gaels to Munsterconnacht and everywhere in between.
Jesus them interviews after the match were great. Some passion left in the game yet. Well done Cavan im now a fan 😊
This Cavan team have lit up the championship....4 wins in 4 weeks! Fair to say the whole of Ulster and just about everywhere else Itchy will be rooting for Cavan now after that. I never fancied a team as much as today and have never been so wrong. Sport can be a great leveller.
This illustrates that the Ulster championship is indeed a proper competition. If someone asked you who would be in the Ulster final in 2030, you might express a slight preference for Donegal or Tyrone and perhaps suggest that Fermanagh lacks the pick, but a few years down the line you really couldn't really say. Even Antrim, long in a slump, came as close to the Ulster champions this year as anyone and an interesting choice of managerial team might bring them onwards.
Both Cavan and Tipperary built on underage success, nothing of the one day wonder there.
Cheers lads. Could be mayhem this eve at Breffni, some footage already doesn't look good. Hard to keep a lid on this. 40th ulster title, people are going to go nuts.
More nuts than normal nuts?
Has Patton's soccer background came back to haunt him. There is no questioning his kick out ability but his tendency to punch everything has caught up with him.
Quote from: pbat on November 22, 2020, 08:56:28 PM
Has Patton's soccer background came back to haunt him. There is no questioning his kick out ability but his tendency to punch everything has caught up with him.
He was targeted by long ball surely
Quote from: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 08:41:55 PM
Might even spend a fiver between them!
Its great to see the 1970s cutting edge comedy of Niall Tobin is alive and well.
Well done Cavan - fantastic result today - winning Ulster from the preliminary round is a massive achievement.
We can only look across the border enviously, at a manager who uses the resources he has to the max, and ensures that his players, are playing in a way that best utilises their strengths. Some of the individual performances today, and over the previous 3 games have been heroic. It was great to see players going at it, not afraid to take on chances, and not stuck in rigid systems.
Enjoy the celebrations - and good luck in the semi.
Quote from: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 08:58:38 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 22, 2020, 08:41:55 PM
Might even spend a fiver between them!
Its great to see the 1970s cutting edge comedy of Niall Tobin is alive and well.
The Cavan Gabe Hurl
Well done Cavan
Quote from: Erne Man on November 22, 2020, 09:01:11 PM
Well done Cavan - fantastic result today - winning Ulster from the preliminary round is a massive achievement.
We can only look across the border enviously, at a manager who uses the resources he has to the max, and ensures that his players, are playing in a way that best utilises their strengths. Some of the individual performances today, and over the previous 3 games have been heroic. It was great to see players going at it, not afraid to take on chances, and not stuck in rigid systems.
Enjoy the celebrations - and good luck in the semi.
Bit of a difference in the ability of the two sides though. Most of these Cavan players are underage ulster champions.
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2020, 08:00:04 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 06:16:09 PM
Galligan's interview on bbc bear had me in tears.
Great stuff by him and his manager on tv. Pure speaking from the heart instead of this robotic prehersed stuff that managers and players come out with.
Cavan played with passion from the first whistle. The goalie said they talked during the week about having a cut at it and that's what they did.
Too many managers, and by extension players, just go through the motions - routine stuff with no passion etc. Graham is some manager- he has something which other managers like Bonner and Gallagher etc. don't have...passion with no little tactical nous and skill.
A great day for Cavan and their people - a huge gaa traditional county.
100 years after Bloody Sunday, the 4 same teams are in the semi-finala. That's magic.
Excellent post and can't disagree with any of it
Quote from: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 08:39:18 PM
Cheers lads. Could be mayhem this eve at Breffni, some footage already doesn't look good. Hard to keep a lid on this. 40th ulster title, people are going to go nuts.
Itchy, we had some disagreements on here after our semifinals last year but by god I'm delighted for ye pal. Enjoy it. I'm not jealous at all. Promise
Quote from: pbat on November 22, 2020, 08:56:28 PM
Has Patton's soccer background came back to haunt him. There is no questioning his kick out ability but his tendency to punch everything has caught up with him.
Yeah, he's been caught a few times this year at county and club.
I honestly don't think we would have won anyway. It was more likely Cavan would have hit an insurance point than us an equalizer IMO. You never know, of course, but that was no smash and grab where the mishit punch cost us the game. Only one team deserved to win that. Which makes it worse. Once again we wilted when the pressure came on. Three years in a row.
Hopefully we'll learn from it and come back in six months for another crack at it.
The 1920 AIF wasn't played until June 1922 and was won by Tipperary who beat Dublin 1.06 to 1.02; the same again?
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 09:31:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 08:39:18 PM
Cheers lads. Could be mayhem this eve at Breffni, some footage already doesn't look good. Hard to keep a lid on this. 40th ulster title, people are going to go nuts.
Itchy, we had some disagreements on here after our semifinals last year but by god I'm delighted for ye pal. Enjoy it. I'm not jealous at all. Promise
No bother lad, sure I know I'm a contrary f**ker.
Quote from: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 09:45:02 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 22, 2020, 09:31:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 08:39:18 PM
Cheers lads. Could be mayhem this eve at Breffni, some footage already doesn't look good. Hard to keep a lid on this. 40th ulster title, people are going to go nuts.
Itchy, we had some disagreements on here after our semifinals last year but by god I'm delighted for ye pal. Enjoy it. I'm not jealous at all. Promise
No bother lad, sure I know I'm a contrary f**ker.
Well, I didn't want to say haha. Enjoy the celebrations. However you're doing them. And stay safe
Fair play to Cavan.
Fully deserved.
Just don't make a habit of it.
Quote from: Sandy Hill on November 22, 2020, 09:40:27 PM
The 1920 AIF wasn't played until June 1922 and was won by Tipperary who beat Dublin 1.06 to 1.02; the same again?
Dublin scoring 1-2 ??
Quote from: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 08:57:56 PM
Quote from: pbat on November 22, 2020, 08:56:28 PM
Has Patton's soccer background came back to haunt him. There is no questioning his kick out ability but his tendency to punch everything has caught up with him.
He was targeted by long ball surely
He looked to be well off his line. He had to run back and turn to face the high ball coming in so prob not positioned to catch.
I was so glad to see Cavan win today...It's great to see a different team lift the cup but as a complete neutral i thought Cavan deserved it and genuinely thought they'd to work extra hard from the ref to get decisions. Honest opinion they'd to wait about 60 mins before he gave them a reasonable free, thought the two black cards were harsh and can't understand why he didn't allow the mark to Cavan but sure it didn't matter in the end and was delighted for Cavan. Unlucky Donegal, just wasn't your day but hey you guys can afford to share a bit of that around for the rest of us...
Thomas Galligan. What a performance. Every time he went for the ball I was wincing. His neck must've been in bits but he kept at it.
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2020, 10:46:19 PM
Thomas Galligan. What a performance. Every time he went for the ball I was wincing. His neck must've been in bits but he kept at it.
There are some great pics of Thonas on twitter this eve, the die hard one isvtge best. Dont know how to stick them up here
Galligan. Plays with a smile on his face while emptying everything that gets in his way. Such a footballer.
That first injury reminded me of McGinley when he broke his neck in the AIF in 03 and played on. Ended up in a neck brace for ages.
That brilliant catch in the second half...my heart was in my mouth.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2020, 10:58:46 PM
Galligan. Plays with a smile on his face while emptying everything that gets in his way. Such a footballer.
So happy seeing him reach his potential. MOTM in McRory cup final and actually gave an exhibition versus Castlerahan in club championship this summer. Class act and great interviews.
Just seeing the joy. Class.
Special special day. More than anything i'm delighted for the players who could easily have let their generation pass by without a reward. They went out and grabbed it today. Unreal.
Great great victory for Cavan today. Had the privilege to be there and from the start Cavan had a purpose and a confidence in their play that was different. They seemed to sense that today was the day and that they had to make it happen - and they did. Also thinking of people like Terry Hyland who contributed so much to the development of many of the players and thinking of Cian Mackey who just missed out on a deserved Ulster medal. Glad that the 2 black cards didn't cost them as at least one looked suspect. Mickey Graham's tactics superb.
Quote from: restorepride on November 22, 2020, 11:18:22 PM
Great great victory for Cavan today. Had the privilege to be there and from the start Cavan had a purpose and a confidence in their play that was different. They seemed to sense that today was the day and that they had to make it happen - and they did. Also thinking of people like Terry Hyland who contributed so much to the development of many of the players and thinking of Cian Mackey who just missed out on a deserved Ulster medal. Glad that the 2 black cards didn't cost them as at least one looked suspect. Mickey Graham's tactics superb.
Must be weird but intriguing in that atmosphere. You hear everything?
Quote from: Itchy on November 22, 2020, 06:54:26 PM
I'm not that bothered where we beat Dublin! ;)
What a win, so proud of them lads and sick I can't he there at breffni this evening to welcome them home. But what a win and what a day.
Delighted for you Itchy. What a great day for all neutral GAA fans
Hearing the players voices echo in an empty Croker is awful
Semis have to be in a neutral venue
#NavanOrNowhere
Feck a neutral venue, go the whole hog and play it in Breffni Park
Dublin have played All-Ireland semi-finals in the home ground of the opposition before
It would be great to do so again, think of the interest it would create
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2020, 11:00:14 PM
That first injury reminded me of McGinley when he broke his neck in the AIF in 03 and played on. Ended up in a neck brace for ages.
That brilliant catch in the second half...my heart was in my mouth.
That catch was INCREDIBLE ...flew into the TV screen ...at such a crucial time too. His neck, wrist and face all fcuked....what a warrior!
Red haired Corner back immense.
Barry Cassidy though...those 2 black cards were criminal. Cavan were rode. Donegal got a free on Neil magee and one McBrearty tapped over after a donegal player missed...for NOTHING!
Delighted they won. And Tipp!
Best GAA day in years.
James Smith is a baller. As is Madden. What a team
what made it great was the knockout factor would the celebrations have been as big if there was back door maybe but the defeat would not have been as devastating for Donegal.
I think the knockout factor has made the provincials more important i dont think the provincials work under backdoor what i would do is if they go to a backdoor system get rid of the super 8s and give the 4 provincial champions a home game in the quarter finals i dont know why they dont do that you should be awarded with home game for winning your province.
Anyway they need to get rid of super 8s this year shows knockout football is more intense they have the league for multiple game format no need to turn the all Ireland into league at that stage
Quote from: Gold on November 23, 2020, 12:46:31 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2020, 11:00:14 PM
That first injury reminded me of McGinley when he broke his neck in the AIF in 03 and played on. Ended up in a neck brace for ages.
That brilliant catch in the second half...my heart was in my mouth.
That catch was INCREDIBLE ...flew into the TV screen ...at such a crucial time too. His neck, wrist and face all fcuked....what a warrior!
Red haired Corner back immense.
Barry Cassidy though...those 2 black cards were criminal. Cavan were rode. Donegal got a free on Neil magee and one McBrearty tapped over after a donegal player missed...for NOTHING!
Delighted they won. And Tipp!
Best GAA day in years.
James Smith is a baller. As is Madden. What a team
Can't think of many better days from a neutral point of view. Certainly not in a long time. Maybe 2004 quarter finals with Fermanagh shocking Armagh and Mayo beating defending champions Tyrone. To think this season nearly didn't happen and some people arguing it wouldn't mean anything without fans. Yesterday fairly ended that idea!
Quote from: Eire90 on November 23, 2020, 02:09:59 AM
what made it great was the knockout factor would the celebrations have been as big if there was back door maybe but the defeat would not have been as devastating for Donegal.
I don't think Tipperary or Cavan would have enjoyed winning less if there was a backdoor, but as you say Donegal might not have been as devastated.
Magical weekend of football with both Tipp and Cavan tearing up the script.
Cavan were wonderful to watch and it goes to show that a team with absolute belief in themselves can achieve anything. I am more an advocate of the knockout system now than I ever was.
As Mc Conville stated also, should the semi final be played in Croke Park? I don't believe it should? No fans should surely dictate a neutral venue?
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on November 23, 2020, 10:16:51 AM
Magical weekend of football with both Tipp and Cavan tearing up the script.
Cavan were wonderful to watch and it goes to show that a team with absolute belief in themselves can achieve anything. I am more an advocate of the knockout system now than I ever was.
As Mc Conville stated also, should the semi final be played in Croke Park? I don't believe it should? No fans should surely dictate a neutral venue?
Should be in Armagh or Newry. Especially if teams arent travelling on buses.
Quote from: Dreadnought on November 18, 2020, 04:04:42 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on November 18, 2020, 04:00:14 PM
No disrespect to cavan but I'd say the donegal management team will have one eye on the semi final already. They'll churn out the usual lines, one game at a time, cavan will be tough etc etc but realistically the dubs are on the horizon. Think I'm correct in that it's ulster v Leinster this year?
Absolutely fine by Cavan. Let them do that, that's a sure fire way of slipping up. If they take one eye off, that's when a team like Cavan will beat you, a team when doesn't know it's dead and won't go away will take advantage of concentration slipping
Seems Donegal did take their eye off the ball and looked to Dublin, but Cavan also raised the game immensely too. I knew we had a chance. Got to say there was huge disrespect coming to Cavan both here and from all corners including the media, seeing odds against Cavan. Which were mad considering the path of both teams last few years. There wasn't that much between them. We'll enjoy our title anyway, and look forward to Dublin in 2 weeks. No fear now.
Will Galligan be fit for the semi final?
Quote from: Taylor on November 23, 2020, 10:39:21 AM
Will Galligan be fit for the semi final?
Ah jaysus, he will don't worry about that man. Its only bruising and cuts he has.
Anyone know will the game be on the BBC player, don't see it there this morning but all the other games were?
Quote from: Itchy on November 23, 2020, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on November 23, 2020, 10:39:21 AM
Will Galligan be fit for the semi final?
Ah jaysus, he will don't worry about that man. Its only bruising and cuts he has.
Anyone know will the game be on the BBC player, don't see it there this morning but all the other games were?
I can't see it up yet. NI things can go up a bit slowly, I'd expect that to be up soon though. Lucky I have it recorded, so going to rewatch it now!
Quote from: Itchy on November 23, 2020, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on November 23, 2020, 10:39:21 AM
Will Galligan be fit for the semi final?
Ah jaysus, he will don't worry about that man. Its only bruising and cuts he has.
Anyone know will the game be on the BBC player, don't see it there this morning but all the other games were?
He was holding his wrist a lot during the interview so thought it could be more serious than bruising.
Hope to Christ he is ok.
A lot has to be said for a team going out and having a go at it
Last night the GAA fixtures page had all 4 semis in Croke Park. Don't understand this at all.
82,000 stadium totally empty, echos around the place. A smaller stadium looks and sounds far better.
If you look at the map, Thurles ideal for both hurling semis. Salthill for Mayo-Tipp and Navan for Cav-Dub.
I'm not sure what the situation is with team travel, whether they use their cars or what, and use of changing rooms etc, but taking all teams to Dublin is madness.
should it be held in a neutral province so play it in Connaught mayo v tipperary can be played in donegal or cavan or armagh
Is it not bad form that panel members outside the matchday 26 were not allowed attend the matches yesterday but you had some partners of players and management there?
I noticed the Tipp captain gave a mention to the 12 players who had been training with them all along but could not attend the match yesterday?
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 12:54:12 PM
Is it not bad form that panel members outside the matchday 26 were not allowed attend the matches yesterday but you had some partners of players and management there?
I noticed the Tipp captain gave a mention to the 12 players who had been training with them all along but could not attend the match yesterday?
It is completely idiotic but would you expect anything else?
Tbh the overwhelming feeling I have is of sorrow for poor Larry Reilly.
Quote from: Itchy on November 23, 2020, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on November 23, 2020, 10:39:21 AM
Will Galligan be fit for the semi final?
Ah jaysus, he will don't worry about that man. Its only bruising and cuts he has.
Anyone know will the game be on the BBC player, don't see it there this morning but all the other games were?
Wasn't up til Tuesday last week Itchy.
I've rewatched it on RTE Player. Will of course be rewatching it on BBC too. :)
It wouldn't be a Cavan team without a Brady or a Reilly,
Quote from: BennyCake on November 23, 2020, 11:09:34 AM
Last night the GAA fixtures page had all 4 semis in Croke Park. Don't understand this at all.
82,000 stadium totally empty, echos around the place. A smaller stadium looks and sounds far better.
If you look at the map, Thurles ideal for both hurling semis. Salthill for Mayo-Tipp and Navan for Cav-Dub.
I'm not sure what the situation is with team travel, whether they use their cars or what, and use of changing rooms etc, but taking all teams to Dublin is madness.
Mayo and Dublin will definitely be pushing for Croke Park anyway. I wouldn't give Tipp much of a chance at Croke Park but I'd give them a decent outside chance in a provincial ground.
Salthill is probably not the best ground to play in at this time of year given the way it always seems to have a gale force wind blowing. Limerick or Ennis perhaps better options?
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 12:54:12 PM
Is it not bad form that panel members outside the matchday 26 were not allowed attend the matches yesterday but you had some partners of players and management there?
I noticed the Tipp captain gave a mention to the 12 players who had been training with them all along but could not attend the match yesterday?
Its totally pathetic and that "rule" came from GAA HQ, from nowhere else. To think you have the stand full of hacks and broadcasters yet you cannot have an extra 10 or 12 lads that bust their arses training all year and of course they arent for turning when the stupidity of it is put to them during the week (as it was by the Cavan chairman for one).
Quote from: Itchy on November 23, 2020, 02:57:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 12:54:12 PM
Is it not bad form that panel members outside the matchday 26 were not allowed attend the matches yesterday but you had some partners of players and management there?
I noticed the Tipp captain gave a mention to the 12 players who had been training with them all along but could not attend the match yesterday?
Its totally pathetic and that "rule" came from GAA HQ, from nowhere else. To think you have the stand full of hacks and broadcasters yet you cannot have an extra 10 or 12 lads that bust their arses training all year and of course they arent for turning when the stupidity of it is put to them during the week (as it was by the Cavan chairman for one).
You'd really feel for lads who have given it all up, who have actually worked as hard and contributed as much as anyone else has to that success and they were not allowed be there today. There's probably some lads who took some part in that Ulster campaign for Cavan that were unable to attend yesterday. Outside of the matchday 26 the very first people that should be accommodated to attend are the additional squad members.
I noticed there seemed to be partners of some players there yesterday which is fine in a way but to have the likes of those people there ahead of actual squad members is totally disgraceful. Surely some kind of lifting of it on the final day when silverware is handed out was necessary.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on November 23, 2020, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: Gold on November 23, 2020, 12:46:31 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2020, 11:00:14 PM
That first injury reminded me of McGinley when he broke his neck in the AIF in 03 and played on. Ended up in a neck brace for ages.
That brilliant catch in the second half...my heart was in my mouth.
That catch was INCREDIBLE ...flew into the TV screen ...at such a crucial time too. His neck, wrist and face all fcuked....what a warrior!
Red haired Corner back immense.
Barry Cassidy though...those 2 black cards were criminal. Cavan were rode. Donegal got a free on Neil magee and one McBrearty tapped over after a donegal player missed...for NOTHING!
Delighted they won. And Tipp!
Best GAA day in years.
James Smith is a baller. As is Madden. What a team
Can't think of many better days from a neutral point of view. Certainly not in a long time. Maybe 2004 quarter finals with Fermanagh shocking Armagh and Mayo beating defending champions Tyrone. To think this season nearly didn't happen and some people arguing it wouldn't mean anything without fans. Yesterday fairly ended that idea!
As good as the scenes was the fans not there was greatly missed yesterday.
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 03:23:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 23, 2020, 02:57:56 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 23, 2020, 12:54:12 PM
Is it not bad form that panel members outside the matchday 26 were not allowed attend the matches yesterday but you had some partners of players and management there?
I noticed the Tipp captain gave a mention to the 12 players who had been training with them all along but could not attend the match yesterday?
Its totally pathetic and that "rule" came from GAA HQ, from nowhere else. To think you have the stand full of hacks and broadcasters yet you cannot have an extra 10 or 12 lads that bust their arses training all year and of course they arent for turning when the stupidity of it is put to them during the week (as it was by the Cavan chairman for one).
You'd really feel for lads who have given it all up, who have actually worked as hard and contributed as much as anyone else has to that success and they were not allowed be there today. There's probably some lads who took some part in that Ulster campaign for Cavan that were unable to attend yesterday. Outside of the matchday 26 the very first people that should be accommodated to attend are the additional squad members.
I noticed there seemed to be partners of some players there yesterday which is fine in a way but to have the likes of those people there ahead of actual squad members is totally disgraceful. Surely some kind of lifting of it on the final day when silverware is handed out was necessary.
It's a ridiculous rule to not allow extended panelist attend provincial finals.
Dublin 1/100 for the semi final.
I dont think I have ever seen such a price at this stage of the competition - in fact in any competition or any sport at this stage
Quote from: Taylor on November 23, 2020, 04:46:08 PM
Dublin 1/100 for the semi final.
I dont think I have ever seen such a price at this stage of the competition - in fact in any competition or any sport at this stage
Not even Kilmacud had those odds...
Those odds are nuts. What price are Cavan to win?
I never saw that result coming, I thought Donegal had a real chance at the All-Ireland this year but to be honest, absolutely delighted for Cavan.
Sheer hard work, desire to win and some extremely talented players meant Cavan totally deserved the win.
Could the fairytale continue?
I'm starting to get the feeling this year could be one of those rare occassions where the underdog triumphs. We've already seen it with Cavan and Tipp and in various club championships.
Dublin still overwhelming favourites, but write Cavan off at your peril now.
Watched it again. Cavan totally shut Donegal out. Brennan, McHugh and McBrearty were hardly in the game at all. McBrearty got 2 from play during that 10 minutes first half (black card). Brennan one point early on. Barely seen them after. Murphy was nullified too.
Donegal got 3 scores second half. One from play and two very very soft frees.
Cavan had to work hard for their scores, but they look controlled in possession, and fully deserved the win.
One thing missed though. Cillian Brady could have got red, swung the elbow and caught Brennan early second half.
The 2 black cards screwed Cavan. Donegal got 7 points in 10 minutes and Gallagher had a goal chance. More than half their scores came in those 10 minutes. Thankfully it didn't prevent a Cavan victory.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 26, 2020, 04:02:39 PM
Watched it again. Cavan totally shut Donegal out. Brennan, McHugh and McBrearty were hardly in the game at all. McBrearty got 2 from play during that 10 minutes first half (black card). Brennan one point early on. Barely seen them after. Murphy was nullified too.
Donegal got 3 scores second half. One from play and two very very soft frees.
Cavan had to work hard for their scores, but they look controlled in possession, and fully deserved the win.
One thing missed though. Cillian Brady could have got red, swung the elbow and caught Brennan early second half.
The 2 black cards screwed Cavan. Donegal got 7 points in 10 minutes and Gallagher had a goal chance. More than half their scores came in those 10 minutes. Thankfully it didn't prevent a Cavan victory.
The Brady elbow probably balanced itself out with the McGonigle one, both could easily have been red.
Quote from: BennyCake on November 26, 2020, 04:02:39 PM
Watched it again. Cavan totally shut Donegal out. Brennan, McHugh and McBrearty were hardly in the game at all. McBrearty got 2 from play during that 10 minutes first half (black card). Brennan one point early on. Barely seen them after. Murphy was nullified too.
Donegal got 3 scores second half. One from play and two very very soft frees.
Cavan had to work hard for their scores, but they look controlled in possession, and fully deserved the win.
One thing missed though. Cillian Brady could have got red, swung the elbow and caught Brennan early second half.
The 2 black cards screwed Cavan. Donegal got 7 points in 10 minutes and Gallagher had a goal chance. More than half their scores came in those 10 minutes. Thankfully it didn't prevent a Cavan victory.
Dont think it was an elbow, more of a push off with a closed fist. I remember thinking he was lucky Cassidy didnt see it cos the way he was riding Cavan he probably would have sent 2 players off for that.