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« Reply #1545 on: June 10, 2018, 07:52:10 PM »
What a waste of 5 weeks coming up.

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« Reply #1546 on: June 10, 2018, 08:03:13 PM »
We are getting away from Derry's shortcomings,  but this whole modern stuff with cynical play has gotten out of hand. All top level sport has an element of 'cynical play'. Successful teams are not angels. Our only all-Ireland winning team had their share, anyone who thinks differently is in la-la land. Off the ball holding, third man tackes, taking out the runner. These type of things actually used to be worse.
Name them.

Not going to personalize things with our 93 team, but you can't be serious! Look at our current all-Ireland champs. What did all their players do when Rock scored the last point?
As I mentioned earlier,  this is distracting from a symbolic year that our senior football team had. No point in blaming those big bad cynical Kildare men. Carlow seemed to handle them.
Knew you were full of shite about 93.

Greg Blaney must have hit himself off the ball in the marshes! Niall Cahalane must have knocked his own teeth out in the final. Grow up and learn how to watch.
And you are still full of shite trying to discredit our 93 team. Grow a pair and name them.
Don't be silly. We had masters of cynicism on that team and everyone who watched football in that generation new them. We laughed when they played for Derry and we yelled and screamed at them when they played for their clubs because we knew what they were at.

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« Reply #1547 on: June 10, 2018, 08:07:43 PM »
Look back at my posts since yesterday's game. Nothing to do with discrediting 93 team. I pointed out that all winners play on the edge, and then some. This was in reference to some crying about 'cycinicle' Kildare. I have no real problem with this, it's reality. We need to stop papering over our senior teams inadequacies with lame excuses. You seem to want to avoid our failings by petty point scoring with me. Maybe that's your thing.   ;)

Btw congrats to all involved in the U20s. Great job!
Typical mouth who can't back up his shite talk and who defends "cycinicle" (new one for me!?) play to win.

On a more positive note for the future, Deegan had no bother giving out the red today, compared to Coldrick's performance yesterday.  Players gave their all against Kildare and definitely restored pride in the jersey. Good crowd support as well which is encouraging moving forward. Fair play to Rodgers, great club and county man.  Don't let the moaners pull and drag us down.
Coldrick was poor yesterday. A leinster man should not have been the ref at this match. But he didn't beat us. We were poor. But thankfully we have a good u20 team and a useful u17 team coming through. Division 4 is where we are at and these fellas will get plenty of opportunities to prove their worth next year. Doire Abu

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« Reply #1548 on: June 10, 2018, 08:17:21 PM »
Look back at my posts since yesterday's game. Nothing to do with discrediting 93 team. I pointed out that all winners play on the edge, and then some. This was in reference to some crying about 'cycinicle' Kildare. I have no real problem with this, it's reality. We need to stop papering over our senior teams inadequacies with lame excuses. You seem to want to avoid our failings by petty point scoring with me. Maybe that's your thing.   ;)

Btw congrats to all involved in the U20s. Great job!
Typical mouth who can't back up his shite talk and who defends "cycinicle" (new one for me!?) play to win.

On a more positive note for the future, Deegan had no bother giving out the red today, compared to Coldrick's performance yesterday.  Players gave their all against Kildare and definitely restored pride in the jersey. Good crowd support as well which is encouraging moving forward. Fair play to Rodgers, great club and county man.  Don't let the moaners pull and drag us down.
Coldrick was poor yesterday. A leinster man should not have been the ref at this match. But he didn't beat us. We were poor. But thankfully we have a good u20 team and a useful u17 team coming through. Division 4 is where we are at and these fellas will get plenty of opportunities to prove their worth next year. Doire Abu

Problem is we’ve had shitloads of good minor and u21 teams in the past but where has it got us ?
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« Reply #1549 on: June 10, 2018, 08:58:39 PM »
Another point. I don't know the exact numbers but kildare seemed to have as many,if not more supporters in Owenbeg yesterday. Derry need to bring the National league games to Glen/Bellaghy/Ballinascreen next year if they want a decent support behind the team.

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« Reply #1550 on: June 10, 2018, 09:07:06 PM »
We are getting away from Derry's shortcomings,  but this whole modern stuff with cynical play has gotten out of hand. All top level sport has an element of 'cynical play'. Successful teams are not angels. Our only all-Ireland winning team had their share, anyone who thinks differently is in la-la land. Off the ball holding, third man tackes, taking out the runner. These type of things actually used to be worse.
Name them.

Not going to personalize things with our 93 team, but you can't be serious! Look at our current all-Ireland champs. What did all their players do when Rock scored the last point?
As I mentioned earlier,  this is distracting from a symbolic year that our senior football team had. No point in blaming those big bad cynical Kildare men. Carlow seemed to handle them.
Knew you were full of shite about 93.

Greg Blaney must have hit himself off the ball in the marshes! Niall Cahalane must have knocked his own teeth out in the final. Grow up and learn how to watch.
And you are still full of shite trying to discredit our 93 team. Grow a pair and name them.
Don't be silly. We had masters of cynicism on that team and everyone who watched football in that generation new them. We laughed when they played for Derry and we yelled and screamed at them when they played for their clubs because we knew what they were at.
Go ahead big balls and name them. Or are you another bluffer?

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« Reply #1551 on: June 10, 2018, 09:21:04 PM »
We can't blame Coldrick, bad as he was.  Defensive approach was brutal.  Letting Kildare carry the ball so far up the field, without a challenge.  What was the thinking there?

Wouldn’t blame coldrick but his performance didn’t help. At times we played very well. But it all came down to how much we concede. Which has been the issue over the past few years. Scoring 2-14 should win most games
Agree that 2-14 should win most games but we have been conceding an average of 20pts a game from the start of the league and thats us playing in division 3, we have been shocking the whole year, sorry but i have to be honest, just not good enough with the quality of players we have

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« Reply #1552 on: June 10, 2018, 10:07:52 PM »
We are getting away from Derry's shortcomings,  but this whole modern stuff with cynical play has gotten out of hand. All top level sport has an element of 'cynical play'. Successful teams are not angels. Our only all-Ireland winning team had their share, anyone who thinks differently is in la-la land. Off the ball holding, third man tackes, taking out the runner. These type of things actually used to be worse.
Name them.

Not going to personalize things with our 93 team, but you can't be serious! Look at our current all-Ireland champs. What did all their players do when Rock scored the last point?
As I mentioned earlier,  this is distracting from a symbolic year that our senior football team had. No point in blaming those big bad cynical Kildare men. Carlow seemed to handle them.
Knew you were full of shite about 93.

Greg Blaney must have hit himself off the ball in the marshes! Niall Cahalane must have knocked his own teeth out in the final. Grow up and learn how to watch.
And you are still full of shite trying to discredit our 93 team. Grow a pair and name them.
Don't be silly. We had masters of cynicism on that team and everyone who watched football in that generation new them. We laughed when they played for Derry and we yelled and screamed at them when they played for their clubs because we knew what they were at.
Go ahead big balls and name them. Or are you another bluffer?
Not for naming anyone but heard of the Cahalane story in the aftermath of 93 and dont think drag and pull is trying to "discredit the 93 team"  by bringing it up, , back them if you were mixing it with the likes of Meath/ Cork/ Donegal  for example you had to be able to meet fire with fire  in terms of the physicality and " cuteness " that they had.

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« Reply #1553 on: June 10, 2018, 10:10:48 PM »
Another point. I don't know the exact numbers but kildare seemed to have as many,if not more supporters in Owenbeg yesterday. Derry need to bring the National league games to Glen/Bellaghy/Ballinascreen next year if they want a decent support behind the team.

Ah, jayzus Braveheart, would Kildare have had 4-500 max there yesterday?? Owenbeg is a handy enough drive for anyone in the county, how much more do we want to move the mountain to Mohammad? There's serious apathy in the county towards the county teams, not just the senior football team. Folk need to stop the sniping and get behind the county. In the past I would have had zero problem with the games being in Glen, 'Screen wherever (I live 7 mins from Celtic Pk door to door btw), but the last couple of years, especially travelling to the away games, I'm now of the opinion, if a man or woman wouldn't travel to support their county in Dungiven, will they can run on.

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« Reply #1554 on: June 10, 2018, 10:12:55 PM »
We are getting away from Derry's shortcomings,  but this whole modern stuff with cynical play has gotten out of hand. All top level sport has an element of 'cynical play'. Successful teams are not angels. Our only all-Ireland winning team had their share, anyone who thinks differently is in la-la land. Off the ball holding, third man tackes, taking out the runner. These type of things actually used to be worse.
Name them.

Not going to personalize things with our 93 team, but you can't be serious! Look at our current all-Ireland champs. What did all their players do when Rock scored the last point?
As I mentioned earlier,  this is distracting from a symbolic year that our senior football team had. No point in blaming those big bad cynical Kildare men. Carlow seemed to handle them.
Knew you were full of shite about 93.

Greg Blaney must have hit himself off the ball in the marshes! Niall Cahalane must have knocked his own teeth out in the final. Grow up and learn how to watch.
And you are still full of shite trying to discredit our 93 team. Grow a pair and name them.
Don't be silly. We had masters of cynicism on that team and everyone who watched football in that generation new them. We laughed when they played for Derry and we yelled and screamed at them when they played for their clubs because we knew what they were at.
Go ahead big balls and name them. Or are you another bluffer?
Not for naming anyone but heard of the Cahalane story in the aftermath of 93 and dont think drag and pull is trying to "discredit the 93 team"  by bringing it up, , back them if you were mixing it with the likes of Meath/ Cork/ Donegal  for example you had to be able to meet fire with fire  in terms of the physicality and " cuteness " that they had.

Wee Johnny, the Hulk, Barton, McKeever for eg, those boys all had a bit of divelment in them

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« Reply #1555 on: June 10, 2018, 10:50:50 PM »
Some ramblings about the game yesterday:

Derry beaten by the better team. There are two divisions between the two sides. And the end result reflected that. Yes, Kildare hadn’t won a match all year. But they were playing against the top sides in the country and weren’t embarrassed by too many of them. Derry were playing Div 3 sides and were getting beat.

The Carlow game is one of those anomalies. Didn’t they have a 100% scoring return, which is virtually unheard of, and I’m sure Kildare will go further than them in the qualifiers.

Kildare’s pace throughout the team was immense. And giving them the kick outs wasn’t a great idea. Never understood conceding kick outs and then let the opposition have a free run  to your own 45. Some of that is the sweeper system, but at times we’d the numbers to cut out the short kick out, but didn’t track a runner. Especially just before half time. We scored with injury time up. The kick out should have been forced long, but it wasn’t and Kildare went up the field to score a handy point from a free.

Kildare’s shooting was superb to start. I think they hit 1-05 before their first wide. Derry missed a few Bradley hit one free wide and one of the post. Though he did have O’Neill roaring in his ear during the run up. Bradley also hit a shot with the right which he didn’t catch right, after doing all the hard work with a great dummy. So there’s 3 valuable scores that got away. I don’t want to be picking on Bradley, I thought he had a great game regardless and one of the few that stood out.

Coldricks performance was erratic at best. The first black card for Kildare was wrong. Not giving blatant fouls either way. Regarding the high tackles, he can’t do anything else other than give yellow cards.  With the Red Card for Lynch, it looks like he pushed the Kildare man in the face.  And he made the most of it. Unlike McHugh in the Down/Donegal game.

The Kildare Maor Foirne was constantly disrupting the Derry’s kickout in the second half. As soon as Kildare scored / hit a wide. He was good 15/20yds on the pitch just to be a presence on that side of the pitch, and fill a space. Someone should have filled him. It was a clear tactic, didn’t seem to need to do the same thing on Kildare’s kick outs.

Thought Cassidy had a great game, Doherty and Bradley too. Sean Leo was always composed. Rogers when he came on kept Flynn on a leash. And McGuigan was always giving an option up front.

Ultimately the tackles / hits weren’t happening until they were already within scoring range and it was too easy for them. They seemed to score from everyone of their own kick outs. And we didn’t. And of course they were gonna be cynical as Derry were get through a few gaps in the defence. Don’t expect anything less these days.

Division 4 is where we are at for the coming season. I’d like to think that there is enough in this team to get out of the Division at the first time of asking.
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« Reply #1556 on: June 11, 2018, 08:07:45 AM »
Surly county board will have some sense now and play league games in 2 weeks time? then take a week or 2 weeks off over july fortnight? crazy to put games on 15th july, world cup final day and loads of people away on holidays.

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« Reply #1557 on: June 11, 2018, 08:27:40 AM »
Saturdays match a side that was as bad a year as there's been in my time following the county. Down to division 4 and no championship wins (albeit the draw wasn't very kind to us)

One thing summed it up for me. After 8 months (November-June) of training, preparation and everything else our county manager had a Goalkeeping coach who hasn't even played club football in 3 years - on the bench for the county team. Absolute shambles. With that level of preparation we are going nowhere.

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« Reply #1558 on: June 11, 2018, 08:42:59 AM »
We are getting away from Derry's shortcomings,  but this whole modern stuff with cynical play has gotten out of hand. All top level sport has an element of 'cynical play'. Successful teams are not angels. Our only all-Ireland winning team had their share, anyone who thinks differently is in la-la land. Off the ball holding, third man tackes, taking out the runner. These type of things actually used to be worse.
Name them.

Not going to personalize things with our 93 team, but you can't be serious! Look at our current all-Ireland champs. What did all their players do when Rock scored the last point?
As I mentioned earlier,  this is distracting from a symbolic year that our senior football team had. No point in blaming those big bad cynical Kildare men. Carlow seemed to handle them.
Knew you were full of shite about 93.

Greg Blaney must have hit himself off the ball in the marshes! Niall Cahalane must have knocked his own teeth out in the final. Grow up and learn how to watch.
And you are still full of shite trying to discredit our 93 team. Grow a pair and name them.
Don't be silly. We had masters of cynicism on that team and everyone who watched football in that generation new them. We laughed when they played for Derry and we yelled and screamed at them when they played for their clubs because we knew what they were at.
Go ahead big balls and name them. Or are you another bluffer?
Not for naming anyone but heard of the Cahalane story in the aftermath of 93 and dont think drag and pull is trying to "discredit the 93 team"  by bringing it up, , back them if you were mixing it with the likes of Meath/ Cork/ Donegal  for example you had to be able to meet fire with fire  in terms of the physicality and " cuteness " that they had.

Wee Johnny, the Hulk, Barton, McKeever for eg, those boys all had a bit of divelment in them
You are nearly suggesting that naming them would be some kind of a character deformation - discredit them my arse! The 93 team was loaded with men who did what it took and were full of men with plenty of "divelment".
McKeever, Downey x 2, McGurk, Barton were as cute a set of hures as you would get on any pitch. And as for McGilligan - not so much cute just a savage!

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« Reply #1559 on: June 11, 2018, 09:52:12 AM »
Saturdays match a side that was as bad a year as there's been in my time following the county. Down to division 4 and no championship wins (albeit the draw wasn't very kind to us)

One thing summed it up for me. After 8 months (November-June) of training, preparation and everything else our county manager had a Goalkeeping coach who hasn't even played club football in 3 years - on the bench for the county team. Absolute shambles. With that level of preparation we are going nowhere.

In fairness, who would want to be the 3rd Choice County Keeper?  What club would support their first choice keeper missing games because they were 3rd choice for the county. We’ve had lads who’ve stepped away from the county scene because there was going to be some competition and rotation for the No.1 spot. Which is a decision that they are fully entitled to make. Didn’t Mickey C have to tog out for the county a couple of years ago as well, as goalkeeper coach.  Admittedly he was still playing club football at the time, but it still happened.  Derry have two young goalkeepers, hopefully with long county careers in front of them, and hopefully they keep pushing each other to improve.
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