Two teams who beat Sligo well in their last wins but Clare coming in with the momentum and the form. Will take something to lift the lads' heads after yesterday.
A good draw. There will be nothing soft. But a chance to make quarters.
If the Rossies lose this they could do a deal with Clare and lease the bus to them for the remainder of the campaign. Slight modifications are all that's needed.
Both home and away jerseys clash?
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2016, 08:43:45 AM
Two teams who beat Sligo well in their last wins but Clare coming in with the momentum and the form. Will take something to lift the lads' heads after yesterday.
There are a few questions over on the other thread that you might address from genuine Roscommon supporters as to the comments you made leading up to the game........what's that.........don't have the balls to reply, thought as much.
Quote from: Mclf on July 18, 2016, 09:09:04 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2016, 08:43:45 AM
Two teams who beat Sligo well in their last wins but Clare coming in with the momentum and the form. Will take something to lift the lads' heads after yesterday.
There are a few questions over on the other thread that you might address from genuine Roscommon supporters as to the comments you made leading up to the game........what's that.........don't have the balls to reply, thought as much.
And a typical dig at Sligo thrown in there, probably taking after the form of his Messiah, who's looking more like a tin god after yesterday's defeat.
2nd year in a row for Roscommon to make a championship exit to a promoted division 3 team? With the way Roscommon lost yesterday and just 6 days to recover I believe so.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on July 18, 2016, 09:19:09 AM
Quote from: Mclf on July 18, 2016, 09:09:04 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2016, 08:43:45 AM
Two teams who beat Sligo well in their last wins but Clare coming in with the momentum and the form. Will take something to lift the lads' heads after yesterday.
There are a few questions over on the other thread that you might address from genuine Roscommon supporters as to the comments you made leading up to the game........what's that.........don't have the balls to reply, thought as much.
And a typical dig at Sligo thrown in there, probably taking after the form of his Messiah, who's looking more like a tin god after yesterday's defeat.
He may as well try to dig something, seen as Ros are in such a hole at the min.
Good draw for Ros. Chance for players ar redemption. 3x Connacht in qfs would be class to go with bitch slapping Leinster in the rugby. :o
Need to throw in the kids, have a cut at it and see what happens
Lowe
Seànie Mullooly McI
Lennon Carty Daly
CShine Compton/Corcoran
2Smiths, 2 Murtagh, Harney, and anybody other than Cregger/Kilbride/DShine.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2016, 10:37:56 AM
Need to throw in the kids, have a cut at it and see what happens
Lowe
Seànie Mullooly McI
Lennon Carty Daly
CShine Compton/Corcoran
2Smiths, 2 Murtagh, Harney, and anybody other than Cregger/Kilbride/DShine.
Instead of Cregger!? Surely not? This is the same man who produces the goods time and time again in the white heat of football in January, February and March according to Syferus, I remember him describing Creggers performance been so good against the mighty limerick a couple years ago that he was making it rain, so I'm confused as to why he should be dropped? Or was that more hyperbole from Sufferus?
Quote from: Owenmoresider on July 18, 2016, 09:19:09 AM
Quote from: Mclf on July 18, 2016, 09:09:04 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2016, 08:43:45 AM
Two teams who beat Sligo well in their last wins but Clare coming in with the momentum and the form. Will take something to lift the lads' heads after yesterday.
There are a few questions over on the other thread that you might address from genuine Roscommon supporters as to the comments you made leading up to the game........what's that.........don't have the balls to reply, thought as much.
And a typical dig at Sligo thrown in there, probably taking after the form of his Messiah, who's looking more like a tin god after yesterday's defeat.
Ignore the muppet and just savour the embarrassment for that clown McStay. Utterly clueless, it's great to see him being shown up for the windbag he is. His interview on The Sunday Game was comedy gold. He had no idea what had just happened.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 18, 2016, 12:39:59 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on July 18, 2016, 09:19:09 AM
Quote from: Mclf on July 18, 2016, 09:09:04 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2016, 08:43:45 AM
Two teams who beat Sligo well in their last wins but Clare coming in with the momentum and the form. Will take something to lift the lads' heads after yesterday.
There are a few questions over on the other thread that you might address from genuine Roscommon supporters as to the comments you made leading up to the game........what's that.........don't have the balls to reply, thought as much.
And a typical dig at Sligo thrown in there, probably taking after the form of his Messiah, who's looking more like a tin god after yesterday's defeat.
Ignore the muppet and just savour the embarrassment for that clown McStay. Utterly clueless, it's great to see him being shown up for the windbag he is. His interview on The Sunday Game was comedy gold. He had no idea what had just happened.
Why the hate for McStay? He was badly shown up yesterday and looked a shell of a man on TSG, but he seems a decent guy.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2016, 10:37:56 AM
Need to throw in the kids, have a cut at it and see what happens
Lowe
Seànie Mullooly McI
Lennon Carty Daly
CShine Compton/Corcoran
2Smiths, 2 Murtagh, Harney, and anybody other than Cregger/Kilbride/DShine.
Lowe, a keeper not even on the panel? Do you want to bring back Frankie or Seamie while you're at it?
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2016, 12:49:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2016, 10:37:56 AM
Need to throw in the kids, have a cut at it and see what happens
Lowe
Seànie Mullooly McI
Lennon Carty Daly
CShine Compton/Corcoran
2Smiths, 2 Murtagh, Harney, and anybody other than Cregger/Kilbride/DShine.
Lowe, a keeper not even on the panel? Do you want to bring back Frankie or Seamie while you're at it?
What about Geoffrey Claffey?
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Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2016, 12:49:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2016, 10:37:56 AM
Need to throw in the kids, have a cut at it and see what happens
Lowe
Seànie Mullooly McI
Lennon Carty Daly
CShine Compton/Corcoran
2Smiths, 2 Murtagh, Harney, and anybody other than Cregger/Kilbride/DShine.
Lowe, a keeper not even on the panel? Do you want to bring back Frankie or Seamie while you're at it?
What about Geoffrey Claffey?
Cake must be due a recall.
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2016, 12:49:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2016, 10:37:56 AM
Need to throw in the kids, have a cut at it and see what happens
Lowe
Seànie Mullooly McI
Lennon Carty Daly
CShine Compton/Corcoran
2Smiths, 2 Murtagh, Harney, and anybody other than Cregger/Kilbride/DShine.
Lowe, a keeper not even on the panel? Do you want to bring back Frankie or Seamie while you're at it?
Ok - Lavin so.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 18, 2016, 12:59:32 PM
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Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2016, 10:37:56 AM
Need to throw in the kids, have a cut at it and see what happens
Lowe
Seànie Mullooly McI
Lennon Carty Daly
CShine Compton/Corcoran
2Smiths, 2 Murtagh, Harney, and anybody other than Cregger/Kilbride/DShine.
Lowe, a keeper not even on the panel? Do you want to bring back Frankie or Seamie while you're at it?
What about Geoffrey Claffey?
Cake must be due a recall.
Cake must be getting mouldy at this stage?
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Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2016, 10:37:56 AM
Need to throw in the kids, have a cut at it and see what happens
Lowe
Seànie Mullooly McI
Lennon Carty Daly
CShine Compton/Corcoran
2Smiths, 2 Murtagh, Harney, and anybody other than Cregger/Kilbride/DShine.
Lowe, a keeper not even on the panel? Do you want to bring back Frankie or Seamie while you're at it?
What about Geoffrey Claffey?
Cake must be due a recall.
Cake must be getting mouldy at this stage?
by the ocean. With FF
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2016, 01:00:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2016, 12:49:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2016, 10:37:56 AM
Need to throw in the kids, have a cut at it and see what happens
Lowe
Seànie Mullooly McI
Lennon Carty Daly
CShine Compton/Corcoran
2Smiths, 2 Murtagh, Harney, and anybody other than Cregger/Kilbride/DShine.
Lowe, a keeper not even on the panel? Do you want to bring back Frankie or Seamie while you're at it?
Ok - Lavin so.
If Lavin has learnt to use his size in the air he would be a powerful keeper. But not this year.
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2016, 01:10:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2016, 01:00:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2016, 12:49:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2016, 10:37:56 AM
Need to throw in the kids, have a cut at it and see what happens
Lowe
Seànie Mullooly McI
Lennon Carty Daly
CShine Compton/Corcoran
2Smiths, 2 Murtagh, Harney, and anybody other than Cregger/Kilbride/DShine.
Lowe, a keeper not even on the panel? Do you want to bring back Frankie or Seamie while you're at it?
Ok - Lavin so.
If Lavin has learnt to use his size in the air he would be a powerful keeper. But not this year.
The Galway and genuine Ros lads are still awaiting an explanation over on the other thread, at what time can we expect to see a statement from you about the good job Walsh is doing, the nice brand of attacking football galway played and how their forwards were far superior to Roscommons?
"" The Galway and genuine Ros lads are still awaiting an explanation over on the other thread, at what time can we expect to see a statement from you about the good job Walsh is doing, the nice brand of attacking football galway played and how their forwards were far superior to Roscommons?""
Yes Still waiting , Here and over on the sheep ? Maybe he needs to have "" a press conference ""
Rule no 1 in being successful
Be run down by Syfín ;D
Kerry 2014, Walsh 2016...
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2016, 01:41:02 PM
Rule no 1 in being successful
Be run down by Syfín ;D
Kerry 2014, Walsh 2016...
Kerry are still pretty shite by Kerry standards. Actually more shite than 2014 now. Sadly we look to be beating them in the shiteness stakes so even if we stumble over Clare..
Given the stats on the six day turnaround I find it amazing that Clare aren't favourites for this one.
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Quote from: Mclf on July 18, 2016, 09:09:04 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2016, 08:43:45 AM
Two teams who beat Sligo well in their last wins but Clare coming in with the momentum and the form. Will take something to lift the lads' heads after yesterday.
There are a few questions over on the other thread that you might address from genuine Roscommon supporters as to the comments you made leading up to the game........what's that.........don't have the balls to reply, thought as much.
And a typical dig at Sligo thrown in there, probably taking after the form of his Messiah, who's looking more like a tin god after yesterday's defeat.
Ignore the muppet and just savour the embarrassment for that clown McStay. Utterly clueless, it's great to see him being shown up for the windbag he is. His interview on The Sunday Game was comedy gold. He had no idea what had just happened.
Why the hate for McStay? He was badly shown up yesterday and looked a shell of a man on TSG, but he seems a decent guy.
Sure McStay was manager of a side that beat Seanies beloved Ballymun. Very harsh words for McStay who is a wee bit cocky but decent to the core. Not mad about joint managers, its a dilution of responsibilities. In some ways its good to see teams from divisions 2 and 3 going well against supposed better division 1 teams. This is a game Roscommon need to win, no excuses. Its time to man up and leaders need to lead.
Quote from: Esmarelda on July 18, 2016, 02:41:32 PM
Given the stats on the six day turnaround I find it amazing that Clare aren't favourites for this one.
Indeed, Clare will never get a better chance of reaching All Ireland quarter final.
Never understood the hype that surrounds Kilbride, he was woeful again yesterday.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 18, 2016, 04:21:38 PM
Never understood the hype that surrounds Kilbride, he was woeful again yesterday.
Yep
Didn't look fully fit.
Was very well marked though.
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 18, 2016, 04:21:38 PM
Never understood the hype that surrounds Kilbride, he was woeful again yesterday.
Yep
Didn't look fully fit.
Was very well marked though.
In fairness Kilbride was unlucky he didn't score a goal with that shot off the crossbar. He ended up with 2 points from play, the Mayo starting 6 forwards against Galway in June only managed 1 point from play between them.
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 18, 2016, 04:38:58 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 18, 2016, 04:21:38 PM
Never understood the hype that surrounds Kilbride, he was woeful again yesterday.
Yep
Didn't look fully fit.
Was very well marked though.
In fairness Kilbride was unlucky he didn't score a goal with that shot off the crossbar. He ended up with 2 points from play, the Mayo starting 6 forwards against Galway in June only managed 1 point from play between them.
I think Mayo started with no forwards against Galway. Inexcusable tactics.
Quote from: muppet on July 18, 2016, 05:06:25 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 18, 2016, 05:03:12 PM
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 18, 2016, 04:21:38 PM
Never understood the hype that surrounds Kilbride, he was woeful again yesterday.
Yep
Didn't look fully fit.
Was very well marked though.
In fairness Kilbride was unlucky he didn't score a goal with that shot off the crossbar. He ended up with 2 points from play, the Mayo starting 6 forwards against Galway in June only managed 1 point from play between them.
I think Mayo started with no forwards against Galway. Inexcusable tactics.
Evan Regan C O Connor started against Galway and at times AOS played on the edge of square without any success. The one point Mayo scored from play Jason Doc was surrounded by Galway Jerseys.
Lookit any decent forward will score freely against a poor defence however if well marked or smothered out by a blanket they will struggle for scores.
Q, how did Roscommon beat, Kerry, Cork, Donegal in the league. Were those teams that ill prepared.
I could see one lucky result but TBH, they are three decent outfits.
What midfield were they using in those games.
I would also have Clare favorites for Sunday.
QuoteQ, how did Roscommon beat, Kerry, Cork, Donegal in the league. Were those teams that ill prepared.
I could see one lucky result but TBH, they are three decent outfits.
What midfield were they using in those games.
I would also have Clare favorites for Sunday.
Sorry have to take issue with your notion of Cork as a decent outfit - they have gone back a mile from where they were and were deservedly relegated.
The last time they beat a Division 1 side in the championship was 2012.
The last time they beat a Division 2 side in the championship was 2013.
Tipp who beat them this year are a division 3 side, Kildare who beat them last year were relegated to Division 3 last year.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 18, 2016, 05:03:12 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 18, 2016, 04:38:58 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 18, 2016, 04:21:38 PM
Never understood the hype that surrounds Kilbride, he was woeful again yesterday.
Yep
Didn't look fully fit.
Was very well marked though.
In fairness Kilbride was unlucky he didn't score a goal with that shot off the crossbar. He ended up with 2 points from play, the Mayo starting 6 forwards against Galway in June only managed 1 point from play between them.
All in the 2nd half when Galway were going through the motions. I wouldn't pay much attention to that.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 18, 2016, 08:22:50 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 18, 2016, 05:03:12 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 18, 2016, 04:38:58 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 18, 2016, 04:21:38 PM
Never understood the hype that surrounds Kilbride, he was woeful again yesterday.
Yep
Didn't look fully fit.
Was very well marked though.
In fairness Kilbride was unlucky he didn't score a goal with that shot off the crossbar. He ended up with 2 points from play, the Mayo starting 6 forwards against Galway in June only managed 1 point from play between them.
All in the 2nd half when Galway were going through the motions. I wouldn't pay much attention to that.
Well I would pay attention to it as IMO at no stage in the game did the Galway system of play go through the motions. At 15 points ahead Galway were still defending in numbers and tackled with high intensity. The majority of scores Roscommon got yesterday was top quality long range efforts.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 18, 2016, 12:39:59 PM
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Two teams who beat Sligo well in their last wins but Clare coming in with the momentum and the form. Will take something to lift the lads' heads after yesterday.
There are a few questions over on the other thread that you might address from genuine Roscommon supporters as to the comments you made leading up to the game........what's that.........don't have the balls to reply, thought as much.
And a typical dig at Sligo thrown in there, probably taking after the form of his Messiah, who's looking more like a tin god after yesterday's defeat.
Ignore the muppet and just savour the embarrassment for that clown McStay. Utterly clueless, it's great to see him being shown up for the windbag he is. His interview on The Sunday Game was comedy gold. He had no idea what had just happened.
It was quite enjoyable alright, and I'm sure he went to the Galway dressing room afterwards to congratulate them on a comprehensive victory, he's always been gracious in defeat like that.
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Quote from: Mclf on July 18, 2016, 09:09:04 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2016, 08:43:45 AM
Two teams who beat Sligo well in their last wins but Clare coming in with the momentum and the form. Will take something to lift the lads' heads after yesterday.
There are a few questions over on the other thread that you might address from genuine Roscommon supporters as to the comments you made leading up to the game........what's that.........don't have the balls to reply, thought as much.
And a typical dig at Sligo thrown in there, probably taking after the form of his Messiah, who's looking more like a tin god after yesterday's defeat.
Ignore the muppet and just savour the embarrassment for that clown McStay. Utterly clueless, it's great to see him being shown up for the windbag he is. His interview on The Sunday Game was comedy gold. He had no idea what had just happened.
It was quite enjoyable alright, and I'm sure he went to the Galway dressing room afterwards to congratulate them on a comprehensive victory, he's always been gracious in defeat like that.
He hasn't needed to make many visits to a Sligo dressing room so it not like you'd know..
All about restoring a bit of pride, fell sorry for the players as the management have let them down. They had the league campaign to work on a proper structure and nobody from outside the camp had a clue how Roscommon were going to set up and even more worrying the players wouldn't have known until last Tuesday. There's no doubt you have some really good young forwards in the 2 Murtaghs's, the 2 Smith's and Harney but there no use if you're ill prepared at the other end.
I wouldn't no too much about the the 2 midfielders missing in Kilbride & Higgins but are they mobile enough to stick with the likes of Flynn/Conroy & SOS/Parsons?
You name 5 forwards Manyonly one of whom started Sunday as we went with lads who failed to make much impression a week earlier.
Lack of midfield and no HBL has been flagged for the last 2 years even by gobsh1tes like me.
Our management and myopic lùdairs were the only ones who thought that 2 of our HBL were Inter County defenders.
As for playing wing backs in midfield.......
Anyway a chance for redemption awaits.
Have our management the courage to throw away the stats and analysis and go with their footballing instincts?
Put out a fast young hungry set of lads and tear into it with CHAMPIONSHIP intensity, not oul'. watery League tossball shiteology.
JUST FUCKIN GO FOR IT¡!!!!!!!!!! 8)
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 19, 2016, 10:35:53 AM
All about restoring a bit of pride, fell sorry for the players as the management have let them down. They had the league campaign to work on a proper structure and nobody from outside the camp had a clue how Roscommon were going to set up and even more worrying the players wouldn't have known until last Tuesday. There's no doubt you have some really good young forwards in the 2 Murtaghs's, the 2 Smith's and Harney but there no use if you're ill prepared at the other end.
I wouldn't no too much about the the 2 midfielders missing in Kilbride & Higgins but are they mobile enough to stick with the likes of Flynn/Conroy & SOS/Parsons?
Both would be more mobile than Conroy or Flynn. Sure Kilbride is a HB playing the middle and Higgins' best position until 2014 was wing forward. The issue would be competing in the air, not keeping up with lads.
Team I would like to see out would require 8 or 9 changes but fear our management are too conservative/stubborn/blind/unwilling to admit mistakes/dicking around with our best players.
Claffey
Murray, Mullooly (Carthy if fit), McInerny
Lennon, Ian Kilbride, Daly
Corcoran, Cathal Shine
Enda Smith, Ciaran Murtagh, Harney
Diarmuid Murtagh, Donie Shine, D Smith
Round 4A game in less than 48 hours and no discussion for the last few days!
Are things gone so bad that even the Rhubarbs have stopped slagging us? :-\
Going by McStay's comments in the free sheet it looks like we won't be seeing radical changes.
Comments like we have all the information on players' fitness and condition and how they are in training and that's how we pick the team.
Sounds like the team is picked by a robot/computer.
Ah well maybe when they reflect over the Autumn/Winter they might start to look at pace, intensity, mental strength and the like which you need for Championship football in July and later.
Not really hopeful about this game at all as I feel the wheels have come off the wagon (and the bandwagon).
Small crowd expected too so it could be a miserable experience all round.
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Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2016, 08:43:45 AM
Two teams who beat Sligo well in their last wins but Clare coming in with the momentum and the form. Will take something to lift the lads' heads after yesterday.
There are a few questions over on the other thread that you might address from genuine Roscommon supporters as to the comments you made leading up to the game........what's that.........don't have the balls to reply, thought as much.
And a typical dig at Sligo thrown in there, probably taking after the form of his Messiah, who's looking more like a tin god after yesterday's defeat.
Ignore the muppet and just savour the embarrassment for that clown McStay. Utterly clueless, it's great to see him being shown up for the windbag he is. His interview on The Sunday Game was comedy gold. He had no idea what had just happened.
It was quite enjoyable alright, and I'm sure he went to the Galway dressing room afterwards to congratulate them on a comprehensive victory, he's always been gracious in defeat like that.
Aye, he has! ;D
Where is Niall Carty, Kevin Higgins, Donal Ward,Ciaran Cafferkey, Kevin Higgins and Cian Connolly? How come young Murtagh and Donal Shine not start Connacht final?
There could be a serious Rossie backlash in this match.
doubt it, they looked completely off the pace at McHale Park
Was like Junior B v Senior
On paper they should win but it wont be easy
Quote from: kerryforsam16 on July 22, 2016, 12:50:03 AM
Where is Niall Carty, Kevin Higgins, Donal Ward,Ciaran Cafferkey, Kevin Higgins and Cian Connolly? How come young Murtagh and Donal Shine not start Connacht final?
Ward and Cafferkey not on panel
Higgins only coming back from knee injury
Carty the same
Connolly had his jaw broken by some thug out playing New York
Its a mystery to most people why the younger Murtagh hasn't been starting or coming on as a sub. He is young and mightn't be full fit.
Donie Shine lacks a bit of pace and mobility but I'd always have him on the team at CHF to put accurate foot passes up the field and help out aerially at midfield. His long range free taking is less important due to the goalies taking 45s etc
Quote from: kerryforsam16 on July 22, 2016, 12:50:03 AM
Where is Niall Carty, Kevin Higgins, Donal Ward,Ciaran Cafferkey, Kevin Higgins and Cian Connolly? How come young Murtagh and Donal Shine not start Connacht final?
I think they are injured except for Murtagh no idea why he isnt playing
Ros have such a small pick any injuries fucks up the season but thats life in a small county
Quote from: Kurtz on July 22, 2016, 10:04:18 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam16 on July 22, 2016, 12:50:03 AM
Where is Niall Carty, Kevin Higgins, Donal Ward,Ciaran Cafferkey, Kevin Higgins and Cian Connolly? How come young Murtagh and Donal Shine not start Connacht final?
I think they are injured except for Murtagh no idea why he isnt playing
Ros have such a small pick any injuries f**ks up the season but thats life in a small county
Ward not on the panel. Caff rehabbed with the county from his cruciate injury and has been released to play football with his club. The rest are fit.
But obviously not fit enough for the "McFod" team picking app!!
Quote from: Kurtz on July 22, 2016, 10:01:35 AM
doubt it, they looked completely off the pace at McHale Park
Was like Junior B v Senior
On paper they should win but it wont be easy
galway have the indian sign over Ros.
I know Seafìn, sure ye bet us in all 3 grades this year ;)
Just like the last 5 or 6 years.......
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2016, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: Kurtz on July 22, 2016, 10:01:35 AM
doubt it, they looked completely off the pace at McHale Park
Was like Junior B v Senior
On paper they should win but it wont be easy
galway have the indian sign over Ros.
everyone has the Indian sign over Ros
I think its lack of confidence. they also look jaded but that can sometimes be psychological
Hope we can get it together tomorrow. McHale going on GAA hour and individually criticising players by name does not inspire confidence. Not the first time this management has been blaming players. Nigel Dineen is still in the black book for criticising players after U21 final and he named no one. What are the current lot at at all? Well hopefully they will see their own mistakes and at bare minimum start Diarmiud, Enda, Ultan and Donie Shine in forwards tomorrow, play natural midfielders and put Nial Daly in his natural position in half back line tomorrow. Do that and I'd be confident of a tired win.
Quote from: weareros on July 22, 2016, 11:38:40 AM
Hope we can get it together tomorrow. McHale going on GAA hour and individually criticising players by name does not inspire confidence. Not the first time this management has been blaming players. Nigel Dineen is still in the black book for criticising players after U21 final and he named no one. What are the current lot at at all? Well hopefully they will see their own mistakes and at bare minimum start Diarmiud, Enda, Ultan and Donie Shine in forwards tomorrow, play natural midfielders and put Nial Daly in his natural position in half back line tomorrow. Do that and I'd be confident of a tired win.
Nigel was put in the black book for saying the entire team didn't apply his gameplan, not because he mentioned a player by name..
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2016, 11:42:14 AM
Quote from: weareros on July 22, 2016, 11:38:40 AM
Hope we can get it together tomorrow. McHale going on GAA hour and individually criticising players by name does not inspire confidence. Not the first time this management has been blaming players. Nigel Dineen is still in the black book for criticising players after U21 final and he named no one. What are the current lot at at all? Well hopefully they will see their own mistakes and at bare minimum start Diarmiud, Enda, Ultan and Donie Shine in forwards tomorrow, play natural midfielders and put Nial Daly in his natural position in half back line tomorrow. Do that and I'd be confident of a tired win.
Nigel was put in the black book for saying the entire team didn't apply his gameplan, not because he mentioned a player by name..
I said Nigel named no players, in contrast to McHale who identified the failings of players by name. Horrid stuff to listen to at a time when they need to be building up players confidence given the short turnaround.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 22, 2016, 11:20:55 AM
I know Seafìn, sure ye bet us in all 3 grades this year ;)
Just like the last 5 or 6 years.......
It is probably 70/30
If thé Ros lads have character they will get over the last day. They are not a bad team.
Quote from: Kurtz on July 22, 2016, 10:04:18 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam16 on July 22, 2016, 12:50:03 AM
Where is Niall Carty, Kevin Higgins, Donal Ward,Ciaran Cafferkey, Kevin Higgins and Cian Connolly? How come young Murtagh and Donal Shine not start Connacht final?
I think they are injured except for Murtagh no idea why he isnt playing
Ros have such a small pick any injuries f**ks up the season but thats life in a small county
Are Ultan Harnwey and Tommy Corcoaran injured too? They some amount injuries and Compton only back too
Clare should win. It would be more of a surprise if Ros put in a 70 minute championship performance than a hungry Clare with momentum putting us on our arses again.
Quote from: kerryforsam16 on July 22, 2016, 01:48:16 PM
Are Ultan Harnwey and Tommy Corcoaran injured too? They some amount injuries and Compton only back too
UH and TC came on as subs last Sunday .
Compton isn't physically developed yet for senior midfield.
Carty has been on the programme 26 for nearly all the Championship games but hasn't got a sniff of action.
Most of us are baffled at team and sub selections.
That plus the flatness of performance in the Championship and McHale's stupid waffling in the media has reduced confidence in the "Rolls Royce" management team. :-\
Clare have a very strong midfield. Brennan is getting all the plaudits and while yes he is playing very well it is Cathal O'Connor who has been Clare's standout player in midfield this year.
Along with that Clare have some decent scoring forwards in Tubridy, Cleary, Malone & Sexton.
Their defence is a bit suspect and lacks physicality.
Unless the weather is terrible, I reckon it should be a high scoring game
Quote from: Ringfort on July 22, 2016, 01:58:55 PM
Clare should win. It would be more of a surprise if Ros put in a 70 minute championship performance than a hungry Clare with momentum putting us on our arses again.
It would be a pity to fade out after such a good start to the year
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2016, 03:51:03 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on July 22, 2016, 01:58:55 PM
Clare should win. It would be more of a surprise if Ros put in a 70 minute championship performance than a hungry Clare with momentum putting us on our arses again.
It would be a pity to fade out after such a good start to the year
Would merely be a continuation of the pattern of the past few years
do well in the league, reach a knockout game in the league
then underperform in the championship
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 22, 2016, 04:10:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2016, 03:51:03 PM
Quote from: Ringfort on July 22, 2016, 01:58:55 PM
Clare should win. It would be more of a surprise if Ros put in a 70 minute championship performance than a hungry Clare with momentum putting us on our arses again.
It would be a pity to fade out after such a good start to the year
Would merely be a continuation of the pattern of the past few years
do well in the league, reach a knockout game in the league
then underperform in the championship
Thats a biteen harsh. They survived and actually did well in the top flight. Thats an upward trend as they havent been in div one in a while.They could very well reach qf stage which is also an upward trend.
Roscommon have got a bit carried away the last couple of years , a few light headed bucks drivin the whole thing on like a bit of a circus tbh.
Hard one to call, both teams probably weak enough at the back. Clare coming into it on a much better trajectory than Ross though. If you take sligo as a form line, both were down at ht and came back in the second half to win well.
I fancy Ross to sneak it by a point or two, maybe after et
Roscommon will do well to turn things around in 6 days. Morale can t be great and Liam McHale musings will hardly have helped things. Whatever his intentions were?
I doubt anyone without a tin hat on gives two fucks about a media interview.
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2016, 10:19:02 PM
I doubt anyone without a tin hat on gives two f**ks about a media interview.
Translation anybody???
Anyway th'oul 135 is filled with dodgy diesel so I'll be on the road early.
We're only 70 minutes away from a Quarter Final v Kerry in Croke Park .
C'mon Ros ye can do it lads!!!!
Quote from: Roashter on July 22, 2016, 03:06:19 PM
Clare have a very strong midfield. Brennan is getting all the plaudits and while yes he is playing very well it is Cathal O'Connor who has been Clare's standout player in midfield this year.
Along with that Clare have some decent scoring forwards in Tubridy, Cleary, Malone & Sexton.
Their defence is a bit suspect and lacks physicality.
Unless the weather is terrible, I reckon it should be a high scoring game
I thought he did very well in the Kerry game and a Kerryman who was at the game I was talking to was the opinion that he absolutely destroyed Sheehan in that game - was complaining about Fitzmaurice not taking Sheehan off at half-time.
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2016, 12:26:35 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 22, 2016, 11:20:55 AM
I know Seafìn, sure ye bet us in all 3 grades this year ;)
Just like the last 5 or 6 years.......
It is probably 70/30
If thé Ros lads have character they will get over the last day. They are not a bad team.
They are a bad team.
They are a very bad team.
Have a look at the betting. Paddy Power seems tohave more faith in Ross than a lot here. Clare at the end of the day will always only go so far.
I'm predicting about 5/6 changes for Roscommon to freshen things up.
6 day turn around mightn't be that huge an issue considering Roscommon didn't perform at all the last day
Roscommon only make one change.
Lennon comes in for Purcell.
I Kilbride and D Murtagh are on the subs bench.
Baffling
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 23, 2016, 11:29:20 AM
Roscommon only make one change.
Lennon comes in for Purcell.
I Kilbride and D Murtagh are on the subs bench.
Baffling
Wait for the first whistle before decrying the starting line-up.
Best of luck to the Rossies. If it were other than a neighbour involved, I would love to see Clare progress.
Roscommon aren't a bad side .. but they were seriously over-rated after early league form. They have natural forwards, a weak midfield and a backline that struggles without Carty. They have a good management team. The difficulty they have is that they are trying to implement a new "system" during championship whereas the more successful teams have bedded this in over a one/two year period in the league. In Roscommon's case the collection of the kick-out at their own 20m line and its transfer through hands up the field means that forward who were used to getting quick ball in space are now bottled up. This has also led to management indecision regarding the make-up of the forward contingent.
I expect them to come through today and improve further in the quarters even though they will exit at that stage. A winter/spring of work combined with more realistic expectations will allow management to tweak the system. 2017 league will define them.
Two very evenly matched sides. Clare coming off the momentum of a few wins and having more proven quality should see them prevail.
Quote from: Syferus on July 23, 2016, 11:32:44 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 23, 2016, 11:29:20 AM
Roscommon only make one change.
Lennon comes in for Purcell.
I Kilbride and D Murtagh are on the subs bench.
Baffling
Wait for the first whistle before decrying the starting line-up.
Youre a pure chancer man. When D Murtagh didnt make match day panel, you didnt bat an eyelid now you see him there youre hintin he'll be starting , to put into context youll just agree with ".mcfod". no matter what.
Its been the most stupid f**king team selection ever leaving him out. Probably get his place on Dublin team tbh.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on July 23, 2016, 11:39:50 AM
Best of luck to the Rossies. If it were other than a neighbour involved, I would love to see Clare progress.
Roscommon aren't a bad side .. but they were seriously over-rated after early league form. They have natural forwards, a weak midfield and a backline that struggles without Carty. They have a good management team. The difficulty they have is that they are trying to implement a new "system" during championship whereas the more successful teams have bedded this in over a one/two year period in the league. In Roscommon's case the collection of the kick-out at their own 20m line and its transfer through hands up the field means that forward who were used to getting quick ball in space are now bottled up. This has also led to management indecision regarding the make-up of the forward contingent.
I expect them to come through today and improve further in the quarters even though they will exit at that stage. A winter/spring of work combined with more realistic expectations will allow management to tweak the system. 2017 league will define them.
We struggled at the back before Carty, we struggled with Carty and we'll probably continue to struggle at the back unless something seriously changes. Issue is far bigger than one player.
League football is matterless at this point. We've proven everything there is to prove in the spring and the only thing that matter is the summer. That's why today is huge.
Drizzly and windy in Salthill
Are Roscommon being punished for something?, having to play in the wind tunnel twice this summer.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 23, 2016, 12:26:40 PM
Drizzly and windy in Salthill
Are Roscommon being punished for something?, having to play in the wind tunnel twice this summer.
It's karma for inflicting syferus on the rest of us ;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 23, 2016, 12:50:26 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 23, 2016, 12:26:40 PM
Drizzly and windy in Salthill
Are Roscommon being punished for something?, having to play in the wind tunnel twice this summer.
It's karma for inflicting syferus on the rest of us ;D
I was trying to think of an insult about Antrim as a comeback, but being from Antrim is enough in itself.
Quote from: Syferus on July 23, 2016, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 23, 2016, 12:50:26 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 23, 2016, 12:26:40 PM
Drizzly and windy in Salthill
Are Roscommon being punished for something?, having to play in the wind tunnel twice this summer.
It's karma for inflicting syferus on the rest of us ;D
I was trying to think of an insult about Antrim as a comeback, but being from Antrim is enough in itself.
;D
Two sides poor defensively and well able to score. It should be a high scoring game with plenty of goals.
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2016, 10:19:02 PM
I doubt anyone without a tin hat on gives two f**ks about a media interview.
There must be a few tin hats about so. Hearing it went down like a lead balloon. Ructions was how it was described.
Quote from: moysider on July 23, 2016, 02:27:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2016, 10:19:02 PM
I doubt anyone without a tin hat on gives two f**ks about a media interview.
There must be a few tin hats about so. Hearing it went down like a lead balloon. Ructions was how it was described.
A bit like the bus 'ructions' last year alright.
4 changes for Roscommon
Much better balanced defence
No midfield again
Roscommon no 13 well versed in the dark arts and drags his marker down with a pull and wins a soft free in.
Can Roscommon substitute their bus into the centre of defence?
They are wide open down the middle.
The big question is whether or not the weather is suitable for Roscommon today.
Roscommon getting plenty of incorrect calls going their way.
This Brennan lad can fairly play.
Just tuned into Shannonside. Talk about a tool of a commentator.
Effin' Eddie wouldn't hold a candle to him. ;D
Numbers 8 and 10 have been impressive so far for Clare.
Can't wait for expert half time analysis from Syferus on that exhibition of defending from the galacticos, McFod have everything under control I'm sure though!
Hughes bottled a card there for Compton. Ros. lucky not down to 14.
Compton taken off before he was sent off
Can't believe a Clare player could win a high ball completely unchallenged, standing practically in the Roscommon goalmouth. Don't often see that. Was plenty of defenders there. Just that nobody challenged for it.
I've no feckin idea what's a black card or yellow card anymore!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 23, 2016, 03:25:54 PM
Just tuned into Shannonside. Talk about a tool of a commentator.
Effin' Eddie wouldn't hold a candle to him. ;D
Willie The Lisppp.
Ye have to say it adds to the craziness!!
Can't believe that Roscommon are this bad. They look like they want the season to be over and serious questions need to be asked in the winter as Clare are making most of their players look like club players. I can't see what the management have done or are trying to do. This group look very underprepared.
Roscommon need to draw on that October training now... ::)
The boos, the boos!
Quote from: moysider on July 23, 2016, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 23, 2016, 03:25:54 PM
Just tuned into Shannonside. Talk about a tool of a commentator.
Effin' Eddie wouldn't hold a candle to him. ;D
Willie The Lisppp.
Ye have to say it adds to the craziness!!
Listen to it for the entertainment value
It is refreshing I think
Compare him to tommy Tom who is convinced he knows everything about everything
The Clare forwards are doing a good impression of the latest batch of natural Galway footballers I have been hearing about all week from Breheney/O'Rourke/Spillane /Brolly/Dolan et all!!!
Roscommon are shite.
Quote from: moysider on July 23, 2016, 03:25:10 PM
This Brennan lad can fairly play.
Father from Curry in Sligo, his family were in front of me last week. Nice folk. He's a class player, good enough for any team in the country.
Now its time for the gurus to prove their greatness. As Kevin might say himself - this crowd were in Div 4 15 months ago (as if that f**king matters)!!!
Hmmm, second game in a row at half time and we don't hear from Syferus, surely there is something to say for this bunch of pedigrees that we all constantly hear about, it's a good job Kevin Walsh is the only one that doesn't know what he is doing!
Sad to see the Rossies 2 goals down. Get the finger out.
Lar. Can't believe you never heard the legend that is Willie Hegarty before. He makes a bad game sound worse.
Rossies seem bereft of belief unless McStay does something wonderful at half time.
Hard to see anything but a rout from here. The Clare forwards and midfield are well on top so you'd imagine they'll have plenty of joy with the wind and Roscommon don't have the athleticism to run at Clare. Ros will need a lot to go right in this second half to get anything out of it.
Ah now that's hardly worthy of a red.
Terrible diving by the Roscommon player to get O'Connor sent off!!
Disgraceful decision and that clown Early saying it was a red just highlights all we need to know.
It was a yellow. Muloooley off the ball more deserving of a red. Compton should have walked earlier. Poor by Hughes.
Padraig Hughes strikes again! Missed black card for Ros No.9 in first half as it would have been a red. Watch as he levels it up.
.....and it's starting to rain now! All going wrong for Roscommon!
Worst red card decision I have seen in some time.
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 03:59:38 PM
Disgraceful decision and that clown Early saying it was a red just highlights all we need to know.
In car listening to radio, Earley will be rightly sick by the end of this game
I hope certain Rossie posters call out their bullying number 3. They apparently don't like that sort of thing in Roscommon.
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 23, 2016, 04:01:45 PM
Padraig Hughes strikes again! Missed black card for Ros No.9 in first half as it would have been a red. Watch as he levels it up.
Mulloooley should not be still on the pitch. Higgins gone with a black. Discipline poor. Lucky to still have 15 though.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 23, 2016, 04:02:29 PM
Worst red card decision I have seen in some time.
He is the most annoying red on the circuit
He sickens me with his antics
He makes it all about him, a tool
Hughes has lost the plot.
Terrible dive by Collins there , manly hurlers my hole!!
Never was a red card more deserved!!
And Early tries to take the harm out of it! Lol. Joke.
Diving all over the show now.
In what rulebook was that a yellow?
The Clare player hit Mullooly then dived
Just looked at it again there very sly from collins, his arm was out and it made contact with the roscommon defender who looked as if he was going to put his shoulder into him but missed him completely. Collins down as if head was take off. Very poor but whatever.
Blatant dive
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 23, 2016, 04:11:56 PM
In what rulebook was that a yellow?
The Clare player hit Mullooly then dived
The rule book doesn't matter a shite these days when dishing out cards!
Clare visibly tiring.
They may well have blown it with all those poor misses. Should have been out of sight.
Poor from Collins for the red but refs need to calm down on issuing cards anyway. Why have Clare taken off their forward line, with the wind they've hardly any options up front? Roscommon are back in this but the game has descended into a game where both teams are trying their best to lose it rather than anyone trying to win it. The second half has been brutal.
That Clare no 10 is a quality player!!
It's like a fairly entertaining junior B game at this stage. Lads falling over when nobody near them and reffing awful to boot!
7 mins. injury time! Still time for Ros. They 'll get another goal chance.
Maybe not. Down to 13 men and and back to 5 in it.
Roscommon are absolutely rotten.
So how good were Galway?
Guess we ll soon find out.
Oooft.
I hope certain Roscommon posters are quick to be very critical of the antics of their players today.
If Podge Collins was from Tyrone....
If Derry win and the draw is good, Clare could easily find themselves in an AI semi-final, well worth the win today and impressive any time I have seen them this year. Can't see them beating Kerry, Kerry like Dublin just tend to swat away the inferior opposition from their province.
Roscommon though looked shot of confidence and their discipline was awful, normally a sign of unrest in the camp.
Quote from: Syferus on April 19, 2015, 07:11:52 PM
Oh, do not open that can of worms.
McNulty essentially assaulted Ronan Daly for over a minute, choking, pushing, pulling, wrestling him to the ground nevermind a few jabs. This happened near the end when Tyrone had the match as good as won and he was clearly taunting Daly too. All he wanted was for the ref to see it and spend an age trying to figure out what happened. It went on so long other Roscommon players had to go over to Daly to get the joker off him and he still didn't stop until the referee finally noticed what had become a five or six person melee. Genuinely one of the most pointlessly prolonged dirty acts I've seen on a football field.
You won fair and square, why engage in that shite?
I hope the antics from the Roscommon no.3 today will garner the same sort of hand wringing from the above poster.
Quote from: moysider on July 23, 2016, 04:39:00 PM
So how good were Galway?
Guess we ll soon find out.
So how good were Mayo? 😉
Quote from: moysider on July 23, 2016, 04:39:00 PM
So how good were Galway?
Guess we ll soon find out.
A fair question I think. Roscommon probably need to thank a few players and send them back to club football because they won't go anywhere with them. Some younger players may not be any better but at least they might improve. Too many Ros players don't have the athleticism for modern football.
Well done Clare, a fine performance (1st half anyway) and a great year for them. You'd fear for them if they've to play Kerry though.
Roscommon woeful at the back. Have they a backs coach in the set up. Hard to know how good Galway are after watching that.
P.s Mayo are below Galway in the pecking order imo. But Galway shouldn't lose the run of themselves looking at that game.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 23, 2016, 04:47:22 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 23, 2016, 04:39:00 PM
So how good were Galway?
Guess we ll soon find out.
So how good were Mayo? 😉
Good enough to allow ye have a handy Connacht title to keep you happy this winter! ;D ;D
This thread needs more Syferus
New York must be kicking themselves :P
Quote from: highorlow on July 23, 2016, 04:48:57 PM
Roscommon woeful at the back. Have they a backs coach in the set up. Hard to know how good Galway are after watching that.
P.s Mayo are below Galway in the pecking order imo. But Galway shouldn't lose the run of themselves looking at that game.
I can assure you we aren't!
Ros might have been better off losing the drawn match by a point.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 23, 2016, 04:55:04 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 23, 2016, 04:48:57 PM
Roscommon woeful at the back. Have they a backs coach in the set up. Hard to know how good Galway are after watching that.
P.s Mayo are below Galway in the pecking order imo. But Galway shouldn't lose the run of themselves looking at that game.
I can assure you we aren't!
The lady dost protest too much me thinks!! ;D
I must keep an eye out for Galway for Sam graffiti on the road in the tour re France!! ;)
Quote from: seafoid on July 23, 2016, 04:55:56 PM
Ros might have been better off losing the drawn match by a point.
I'm afraid you rate Connacht football far higher than is currently justified. Roscommon have been useless for a good few months now so drawing the Connacht final is not a factor at all.
Looking forward to the post match bullshit excuses and ungracious whining. McStay definitely needs a few more years, it's great having him off the Sunday Game.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 23, 2016, 05:03:19 PM
Looking forward to the post match bullshit excuses and ungracious whining. McStay definitely needs a few more years, it's great having him off the Sunday Game.
Yeah he is no Eamonn O'Hara that's for sure!! Although O'Hara did a great management job with Ballaghadreen in fairness to him. ::)
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 23, 2016, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 23, 2016, 04:55:04 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 23, 2016, 04:48:57 PM
Roscommon woeful at the back. Have they a backs coach in the set up. Hard to know how good Galway are after watching that.
P.s Mayo are below Galway in the pecking order imo. But Galway shouldn't lose the run of themselves looking at that game.
I can assure you we aren't!
The lady dost protest too much me thinks!! ;D
I must keep an eye out for Galway for Sam graffiti on the road in the tour re France!! ;)
Duine Eile is the lady round these parts! 😉
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 05:00:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 23, 2016, 04:55:56 PM
Ros might have been better off losing the drawn match by a point.
I'm afraid you rate Connacht football far higher than is currently justified. Roscommon have been useless for a good few months now so drawing the Connacht final is not a factor at all.
the Dubs will do their usual post Sam flop I expect
They haven't so far and I doubt they will. If they don't win Sam it will be down to missing personnel rather than a hangover from last year.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 23, 2016, 05:23:05 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 23, 2016, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on July 23, 2016, 04:55:04 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 23, 2016, 04:48:57 PM
Roscommon woeful at the back. Have they a backs coach in the set up. Hard to know how good Galway are after watching that.
P.s Mayo are below Galway in the pecking order imo. But Galway shouldn't lose the run of themselves looking at that game.
I can assure you we aren't!
The lady dost protest too much me thinks!! ;D
I must keep an eye out for Galway for Sam graffiti on the road in the tour re France!! ;)
Duine Eile is the lady round these parts! 😉
And this lady isn't getting ahead of herself when it comes to this Galway team, next step, play Tipp/Clare/Derry in Croke Park, then we'll see! If Derry win is there going to be a draw for QF pairings, I was presuming teams that had already met would be kept apart but is that just for provincial final pairings?
I think it's an open draw if Derry win. Great opportunity for Galway whatever the opponent.
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 05:48:53 PM
I think it's an open draw if Derry win. Great opportunity for Galway whatever the opponent.
Unbelievable opportunity as Conor Lane is already down to ref the game! How many Galway games has he officiated these last 2 seasons? No other ref's appointment thus far
Is there any team in Ireland more mentally brittle than Roscommon? Eliminated from the Championship in successive years by Fermanagh,and Clare after performing admirably in the league and drawing with the eventual champions in their own province?
Quote from: Avondhu star on July 23, 2016, 09:03:37 AM
Have a look at the betting. Paddy Power seems tohave more faith in Ross than a lot here. Clare at the end of the day will always only go so far.
So much for that theory!!
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 05:26:02 PM
They haven't so far and I doubt they will. If they don't win Sam it will be down to missing personnel rather than a hangover from last year.
[/quoteIt is very hard to keep the level going after 2 seasons even with the full deck
2 seasons of what? Roscommon can have very few excuses. Clare hurlers would have a few lads who can play football, not mention Tipp who have just beaten Derry. You need to reassess your view of Connacht football. It seems to be quite weak this year though I think Mayo can still go with the best even if there's little to suggest they'll go all the way.
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 06:44:11 PM
2 seasons of what? Roscommon can have very few excuses. Clare hurlers would have a few lads who can play football, not mention Tipp who have just beaten Derry. You need to reassess your view of Connacht football. It seems to be quite weak this year though I think Mayo can still go with the best even if there's little to suggest they'll go all the way.
I agree with this for the most part. We took our eye off the ball v galway , complacency of sorts as in we always thought wed win from 4 up. Mayo would beat both ros and galway 9/10 . Ros are very over hyped amd i have to admit i was of the opinion they were going to be a decent side but these underage stars are not the only ingredient you need as we are now realising and wow what a result for our CB knockin the mcstay and mchale ticket back.
Couldnt believe a clare man caught the ball clean in the square with three rossies lookin on , not a glove i kid you not.
Who meets Clare in the QF?
Quote from: JoG2 on July 23, 2016, 05:54:28 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 05:48:53 PM
I think it's an open draw if Derry win. Great opportunity for Galway whatever the opponent.
Unbelievable opportunity as Conor Lane is already down to ref the game! How many Galway games has he officiated these last 2 seasons? No other ref's appointment thus far
He's reffed 2 out of 3 and he was linesman for the 3rd I think. Clare play Kerry again Benny.
Are Ross any further on than they would've been with Evans, I think not.
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 06:44:11 PM
2 seasons of what? Roscommon can have very few excuses. Clare hurlers would have a few lads who can play football, not mention Tipp who have just beaten Derry. You need to reassess your view of Connacht football. It seems to be quite weak this year though I think Mayo can still go with the best even if there's little to suggest they'll go all the way.
I think the football is very open this year. The Dubs are 3vens but there may be rich pickings in the FB line. A qf is progress for Galway with potential for upside. I don't think any of the top 4 are fantastic
Quote from: Mac2 on July 23, 2016, 07:00:38 PM
Are Ross any further on than they would've been with Evans, I think not.
Stayed up in D1. First year under new mgt. Lost in last 12 like Galway last year. They can build on it.
It really has been a downward trajectory for Roscommon since the league game v Mayo
Fair play to Clare. They are a good team and played well.
Podge Collins should be ashamed for the dive to get Mullooly yellow carded.
the red card for Clare was never a straight red
I think Dublin are fantastic, Tyrone are improving quickly and Kerry will still beat most teams in the country. Mayo are improving but bar DOC and Boyle they don't seem to have too many lads pulling up trees which they'll need to change if they are to get over the best. It will probably be a Galway Kerry semi final and Galway may just find out how far away they are from the top teams then.
By the way, I think Ros and Galway are improving teams but the evidence so far indicates that Galway may have caught Mayo and that they are still a division 2 team. Good to see them back but Roscommon's performance today puts a real asterix beside their Connacht final performance.
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 07:12:27 PM
I think Dublin are fantastic, Tyrone are improving quickly and Kerry will still beat most teams in the country. Mayo are improving but bar DOC and Boyle they don't seem to have too many lads pulling up trees which they'll need to change if they are to get over the best. It will probably be a Galway Kerry semi final and Galway may just find out how far away they are from the top teams then.
By the way, I think Ros and Galway are improving teams but the evidence so far indicates that Galway may have caught Mayo and that they are still a division 2 team. Good to see them back but Roscommon's performance today puts a real asterix beside their Connacht final performance.
Galway are in the same side as tyrone, kerry will likely play Dublin in the SF
I thought it was munster Leinster and Connacht ulster this year.
Ros had the curse of the provincial replay losers.
Ah right, I thought it was winners of Kerry and Galway QF's against each other. So if Mayo and Galway win they'll meet each other in the SF?
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 07:20:53 PM
Ah right, I thought it was winners of Kerry and Galway QF's against each other. So if Mayo and Galway win they'll meet each other in the SF?
Yep, and a rather big IF! ;)
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 07:20:53 PM
Ah right, I thought it was winners of Kerry and Galway QF's against each other. So if Mayo and Galway win they'll meet each other in the SF?
Not necessarily, Zulu.
If Donegal beat Cork, it is Donegal v Dublin in a QF game, with the winner playing Kerry or Clare in the semifinal. The other QF will be Mayo or Westmeath v Tyrone, winner of that play Galway or Tipp.
If Cork beat Donegal and Mayo beat Weatmeath, it will be an open draw to see who meets Tyrone or Dublin.
The only way Galway and Mayo meet in a semifinal is Galway beating Tipp, and Mayo getting past Westmeath and drawing (and beating) Tyrone in the QF.
The easiest way to look at semifinal match ups is this:
Aug 21. Galway or Tipp V Tyrone or the team that beat them;
Aug 28. Dublin or the the team that beats them V Kerry or Clare.
Ah ok. Cheers lads!
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 07:12:27 PM
I think Dublin are fantastic, Tyrone are improving quickly and Kerry will still beat most teams in the country. Mayo are improving but bar DOC and Boyle they don't seem to have too many lads pulling up trees which they'll need to change if they are to get over the best. It will probably be a Galway Kerry semi final and Galway may just find out how far away they are from the top teams then.
By the way, I think Ros and Galway are improving teams but the evidence so far indicates that Galway may have caught Mayo and that they are still a division 2 team. Good to see them back but Roscommon's performance today puts a real asterix beside their Connacht final performance.
Who are the 8 best teams in the Country then?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 23, 2016, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 07:12:27 PM
I think Dublin are fantastic, Tyrone are improving quickly and Kerry will still beat most teams in the country. Mayo are improving but bar DOC and Boyle they don't seem to have too many lads pulling up trees which they'll need to change if they are to get over the best. It will probably be a Galway Kerry semi final and Galway may just find out how far away they are from the top teams then.
By the way, I think Ros and Galway are improving teams but the evidence so far indicates that Galway may have caught Mayo and that they are still a division 2 team. Good to see them back but Roscommon's performance today puts a real asterix beside their Connacht final performance.
Who are the 8 best teams in the Country then?
Dublin
Tyrone
Kerry
Mayo
Donegal
Monaghan
Galway
Cork
Kerry
Galway v Tipperary
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 23, 2016, 08:19:53 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 23, 2016, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 07:12:27 PM
I think Dublin are fantastic, Tyrone are improving quickly and Kerry will still beat most teams in the country. Mayo are improving but bar DOC and Boyle they don't seem to have too many lads pulling up trees which they'll need to change if they are to get over the best. It will probably be a Galway Kerry semi final and Galway may just find out how far away they are from the top teams then.
By the way, I think Ros and Galway are improving teams but the evidence so far indicates that Galway may have caught Mayo and that they are still a division 2 team. Good to see them back but Roscommon's performance today puts a real asterix beside their Connacht final performance.
Who are the 8 best teams in the Country then?
Dublin
Tyrone
Kerry
Mayo
Donegal
Monaghan
Galway
Cork
Is that the order you rate the teams as well?
Roscommon very poor in front of the posts. Their last 3 game were 1-9, 0-14 and 1-10 and the 0-14 was when the game was over.
Would be remiss not to congratulate Clare, they have had a really stellar year so far. It's great to see, and while it would have been very tough on Tipp to see Clare zoom in and take their thunder by qualifying for a 1/4 final after all the 'progress' Tipp have made, it was still a very well earned achievement. Lads like Croí flagged this up early in the year, and I wasn't convinced, but I have to say I was very impressed today, even if Roscommon looked lethargic and poor. Clare should have won that by 10 points.
If I remember correctly, Zulu is from those parts and I'm sure he got a buzz out of that, so well done Clare.
On a personal note, we obviously regularly come across Clare in development, and they are every bit as passionate as anyone else, so it is great to see them getting a fantastic boost as well.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 23, 2016, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 07:20:53 PM
Ah right, I thought it was winners of Kerry and Galway QF's against each other. So if Mayo and Galway win they'll meet each other in the SF?
Yep, and a rather big IF! ;)
Mayo know how to.put smacht on throne
Quote from: seafoid on July 23, 2016, 08:36:44 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 23, 2016, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 07:20:53 PM
Ah right, I thought it was winners of Kerry and Galway QF's against each other. So if Mayo and Galway win they'll meet each other in the SF?
Yep, and a rather big IF! ;)
Mayo know how to.put smacht on throne
Stick your house on them so. I'll take my counsel from an oul Castlebar lad, in the aftermath of our trouncing of Mayo in the League last year, who reckoned they'd missed the Sam bus (D O'C & Boyle, etc., notwithstanding).
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 23, 2016, 08:23:27 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 23, 2016, 08:19:53 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 23, 2016, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 07:12:27 PM
I think Dublin are fantastic, Tyrone are improving quickly and Kerry will still beat most teams in the country. Mayo are improving but bar DOC and Boyle they don't seem to have too many lads pulling up trees which they'll need to change if they are to get over the best. It will probably be a Galway Kerry semi final and Galway may just find out how far away they are from the top teams then.
By the way, I think Ros and Galway are improving teams but the evidence so far indicates that Galway may have caught Mayo and that they are still a division 2 team. Good to see them back but Roscommon's performance today puts a real asterix beside their Connacht final performance.
Who are the 8 best teams in the Country then?
Dublin
Tyrone
Kerry
Mayo
Donegal
Monaghan
Galway
Cork
Is that the order you rate the teams as well?
Yes.
That big yellow bus will be reversing into a shed about now for the winter months.
Quote from: snoopdog on July 23, 2016, 09:05:04 PM
That big yellow bus will be reversing into a shed about now for the winter months.
It wont be the only one
Plenty to throw under the Blue Bus between now and Sept
First off, brilliant result for Clare and honestly never seen that coming. Roscommon promised much early in the season but like a bad postman, yet again they failed to deliver.
As for a system that allows Kerry get to the last 4 without playing one of the 16 best teams in the country based on League position, well if that isn't a wake up call to the authorities I don't know what is. Every year they can peak for August knowing they will be there for AI qf weekend. A flawed system for years and long past the time for a rethink.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 23, 2016, 09:02:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 23, 2016, 08:23:27 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 23, 2016, 08:19:53 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 23, 2016, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 23, 2016, 07:12:27 PM
I think Dublin are fantastic, Tyrone are improving quickly and Kerry will still beat most teams in the country. Mayo are improving but bar DOC and Boyle they don't seem to have too many lads pulling up trees which they'll need to change if they are to get over the best. It will probably be a Galway Kerry semi final and Galway may just find out how far away they are from the top teams then.
By the way, I think Ros and Galway are improving teams but the evidence so far indicates that Galway may have caught Mayo and that they are still a division 2 team. Good to see them back but Roscommon's performance today puts a real asterix beside their Connacht final performance.
Who are the 8 best teams in the Country then?
Dublin
Tyrone
Kerry
Mayo
Donegal
Monaghan
Galway
Cork
Is that the order you rate the teams as well?
Yes.
Glad to see you are underestimating the challenge of Tyrone! :P
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 23, 2016, 05:11:37 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 23, 2016, 05:03:19 PM
Looking forward to the post match bullshit excuses and ungracious whining. McStay definitely needs a few more years, it's great having him off the Sunday Game.
Yeah he is no Eamonn O'Hara that's for sure!! Although O'Hara did a great management job with Ballaghadreen in fairness to him. ::)
Not sure what you're trying to say but obviously as a player he wouldn't have been in Eamonn's league. O'Hara's only management job has been in club management from Ballaghadereen which was acknowledged to be a difficult job. I think the reports were reasonably ok as to how he did. Jury is out on whether he'll be a good manager or not, time will tell.
Most importantly I've never heard Eamonn be ungracious or entertain making excuses. It wouldn't be his style to be fair.
Hugh congrats to Clre football team a massive achievement and in truth they should have won by more. Sat in middle of Clare supporters and nicest fans I have met in a long time.
On the few issues raised here. Some lad on about our number 3 I don't no what you are on about as I have not seen it from television all I know is he should never have been sent off got a yellow because Clare water boy shouldered him and second was very harsh.
Apart from that clare midfielder should never ever been sent off and any consistency would have seen us get least 3 reds for us for similar tackles. Compton should have been sent off in first half too for us. Ref was poor but would have been a lot more annoyed if I was a Clare supporter.
We have been a shambles since our first real test this year which was Mayo in league since then we have go backwards and underperformed. This needs to be addressed by imo it's down to team selection in majority of the cases. Too much faith given to lads not up to standard and best players not given proper chances. Bad man management skills too for so many involved. Joint managements don't work imo and someone has to have final say because no way in hell both can be thinking same way.
Anyway best of luck to Clare in next round and also to the two Connacht teams left in competition. Would love see one come west.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 23, 2016, 10:54:36 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 23, 2016, 05:11:37 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 23, 2016, 05:03:19 PM
Looking forward to the post match bullshit excuses and ungracious whining. McStay definitely needs a few more years, it's great having him off the Sunday Game.
Yeah he is no Eamonn O'Hara that's for sure!! Although O'Hara did a great management job with Ballaghadreen in fairness to him. ::)
Not sure what you're trying to say but obviously as a player he wouldn't have been in Eamonn's league. O'Hara's only management job has been in club management from Ballaghadereen which was acknowledged to be a difficult job. I think the reports were reasonably ok as to how he did. Jury is out on whether he'll be a good manager or not, time will tell.
Most importantly I've never heard Eamonn be ungracious or entertain making excuses. It wouldn't be his style to be fair.
One thing McStay is - Is media savvy! In all the years he has done the Sunday Game, I can't recall him having a personal issue with any player, Manager, county! Nothing was personal. No attacks! Nothing that would make the Monday papers.
As a co-commentator, Carr and Carney show how decent he was. And in analysing games for the sunday game he at least tried to throw you a few stats and observations.
From my own point of view. Found him to be a bit of a watered down fan of Mayo football. His home in Roscommon and his work in KIldare has seen him with divided loyalties. That is more a observation than a critisism.
You have to admire that he took a intercounty managerial job. It's one thing Talking the talk. It's another Walking it.
This is not a McStay is great rant. Because he's not. But he's not bad either!
I always thought he came across as a decent enough spud.
Talks a bit of drivel no doubt but better than most on sunday game these days.
Clare and Tipp showing the qualifiers still have a lot of value and derry and longford too. Can't see an argument to scrap them now.
Kevin retired last year Bunker.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 23, 2016, 11:21:12 PM
Clare and Tipp showing the qualifiers still have a lot of value and derry and longford too. Can't see an argument to scrap them now.
Clare, Tipp and Longford have shown that the qualifiers are an improvement on what was there before, i.e. a straight knockout. That does not mean that the qualifiers are the best solution. There are plenty more Clares and Tipps going out in the Championship each year after their obligatory two defeats. Someone has already pointed out where Kerry are likely to end up after two games against Clare and a game against Tipp. The system is inherently unfair.
The elephant in the room remains the Provincial Championships and the amazing contortions that are being carried out by the fixtures people over the years e.g. the 'A' and 'B' sides of the draw, serves only to underline the unfairness that exists.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 23, 2016, 09:14:13 PM
First off, brilliant result for Clare and honestly never seen that coming. Roscommon promised much early in the season but like a bad postman, yet again they failed to deliver.
As for a system that allows Kerry get to the last 4 without playing one of the 16 best teams in the country based on League position, well if that isn't a wake up call to the authorities I don't know what is. Every year they can peak for August knowing they will be there for AI qf weekend. A flawed system for years and long past the time for a rethink.
The problem is you and the media are basing top sixteen on league when it should be championship. Kerry have beaten two top 8 teams en route to qtr final, more than any other provincial finalist.
Well done to Clare and hard luck to Roscommon. Very few teams have been able to digest a provincial final defeat and win a qualifier match 6 days later. Clare are a well drilled extremely fit outfit which we also found out last week. Very inconsistent reffing again for this game in my opinion.
Without a doubt the worst ref on the circuit. Shame that the players have to put up with such incompetence in such an important game. I don't believe he favoured one team over the other, but be definitely impacted on the score given he was so bad
anyone know what the attendance was ?
Left it till now to post to avoid any intemperate remarks.
We were bloody awful and couldn't handle a fit, well drilled well motivated team.
McStay and Fergal have a lot of thinking to do. We were stuck to the ground yesterday and seemed to have no grasp if basics, positioning, showing for the ball etc. Most lads looked like they'd had enough of it all.
Where are we going to find backs ?
Most of our decent underage teams this decade had poor defences.
Haven't seen any TV so can't comment on Mullooly/Collins.
Felt the Clare 9 sending off was fair enough as it happened right beside me and while maybe not intentional was some wallop.
Where do we go from here? Hard to know as I wonder how many have the stomach for what's needed to stay around the top.
As for getting rid of the Provincials - 22 Qualifier games 70,000 spectators max (26k at the Mayowestros games) 31 Provincial games perhaps 300k.
Only 5,301 in Salthill
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2016, 11:25:58 AM
Left it till now to post to avoid any intemperate remarks.
We were bloody awful and couldn't handle a fit, well drilled well motivated team.
McStay and Fergal have a lot of thinking to do. We were stuck to the ground yesterday and seemed to have no grasp if basics, positioning, showing for the ball etc. Most lads looked like they'd had enough of it all.
Where are we going to find backs ?
Most of our decent underage teams this decade had poor defences.
Haven't seen any TV so can't comment on Mullooly/Collins.
Felt the Clare 9 sending off was fair enough as it happened right beside me and while maybe not intentional was some wallop.
Where do we go from here? Hard to know as I wonder how many have the stomach for what's needed to stay around the top.
As for getting rid of the Provincials - 22 Qualifier games 70,000 spectators max (26k at the Mayowestros games) 31 Provincial games perhaps 300k.
Only 5,301 in Salthill
Mullooly didnt even touch the guy but should have got black card for obstruction. Yer man went down like an Argentina soccer player.
Didnt matter anyway, the game was over by half time and Brolly was right they are clueless.
They simply cant read a game they dont know whats going on around them and react too late.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2016, 11:25:58 AM
Left it till now to post to avoid any intemperate remarks.
We were bloody awful and couldn't handle a fit, well drilled well motivated team.
McStay and Fergal have a lot of thinking to do. We were stuck to the ground yesterday and seemed to have no grasp if basics, positioning, showing for the ball etc. Most lads looked like they'd had enough of it all.
Where are we going to find backs ?
Most of our decent underage teams this decade had poor defences.
Haven't seen any TV so can't comment on Mullooly/Collins.
Felt the Clare 9 sending off was fair enough as it happened right beside me and while maybe not intentional was some wallop.
Where do we go from here? Hard to know as I wonder how many have the stomach for what's needed to stay around the top.
As for getting rid of the Provincials - 22 Qualifier games 70,000 spectators max (26k at the Mayowestros games) 31 Provincial games perhaps 300k.
Only 5,301 in Salthill
Were you anywhere near that fùcking Clare balluba that spent the entire match shouting at the linesman and referee. He thought a Clare defender flinging himself into the back of Davy Murray wasn't a foul and when the Clare midfielder rightly got red for his clothesline all he could do was piss and moan about their 14 going down like a sack of spuds in a very obvious attempt to get Mul sent off or carded. I think he managed to piss off every single person around him.
Podge Collins let himself down big time. Hopefully Galway can give him some medicine today but I doubt it.
Hughes eventually sent that Clare sideline bolx outside the fence.
At one stage I thought he was some sort of referees advisor >:(
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2016, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2016, 11:25:58 AM
Left it till now to post to avoid any intemperate remarks.
We were bloody awful and couldn't handle a fit, well drilled well motivated team.
McStay and Fergal have a lot of thinking to do. We were stuck to the ground yesterday and seemed to have no grasp if basics, positioning, showing for the ball etc. Most lads looked like they'd had enough of it all.
Where are we going to find backs ?
Most of our decent underage teams this decade had poor defences.
Haven't seen any TV so can't comment on Mullooly/Collins.
Felt the Clare 9 sending off was fair enough as it happened right beside me and while maybe not intentional was some wallop.
Where do we go from here? Hard to know as I wonder how many have the stomach for what's needed to stay around the top.
As for getting rid of the Provincials - 22 Qualifier games 70,000 spectators max (26k at the Mayowestros games) 31 Provincial games perhaps 300k.
Only 5,301 in Salthill
Were you anywhere near that fùcking Clare balluba that spent the entire match shouting at the linesman and referee. He thought a Clare defender flinging himself into the back of Davy Murray wasn't a foul and when the Clare midfielder rightly got red for his clothesline all he could do was piss and moan about their 14 going down like a sack of spuds in a very obvious attempt to get Mul sent off or carded. I think he managed to piss off every single person around him.
Podge Collins let himself down big time. Hopefully Galway can give him some medicine today but I doubt it.
I noted that you have negated to mention the 3 clothesline tackles from Roscommon players which were the exact same as the Clare lad got sent off for but received less minor punishments and also the fact your no. 9 should have gone in the first half and full back should have been dismissed a lot earlier as he had been acting the maggot all game.
Of course we know you turn a blind eye to your own team's indiscretions and leave the hand wringing to everyone else.
This must be a tough month for you.
The best thing the Rossies (Players and management) can do now is take a break from all things football for two months. Clear the head! Serious thought has to be put into what effort is put into various competitions. Roscommon has won the FBD and done well in the League the last two seasons. FBD has to be relegated greatly importance wise. The last two seasons we have played the Rossies in the FBD, I found they were hitting hard and taking it to serious. I can totally understand Ros taking the League serious the last two seasons. Next year they are going to have to take a chance on not being as sharp for the league. Two to three wins can keep you in Division One. The Championship is the be all and end all of the season. In 2010 Mayo won the FBD, won 6 out of 7 league games and got to the league final. We were flying and looking forward to the Championship. We lost to Sligo in the Connacht Quarter final and Longford in round one of the Qualifiers. We put to much effort into earlier competitions and were flat coming into the Championship.
The reality is the Championship is where it is at. Galway stumbled through Division Two this year. The Rossies held their own in Division One. All the talk is of Galway. No body cares that they are a mid-table 2nd Division side! They put Mayo on their Arse, Won a Connacht, are in the Quaters and could make a semi final at least. Roscommons early form is all but forgotten (or even ridiculed in true GAA fashion).
I don't know too much about the thinking of Rossie people or the team but as an outside looking in they appear to blame everything but themselves. Last years U21 defeat was blamed on big bad Tyrone, nothing to do with how Roscommon players couldn't handle the heat when pressure was applied. A few weeks ago the bloody rain and wind was blamed, yesterday McStay is blaming a 6 day turnaround, even though Clare had the same turnaround. Until they look at their own failings they will never progress. After a huge amount of moaning about big bad Meath in 1996, Tyrone eventually used the experience as a positive. Roscommon have plenty of good players, hopefully they can learn from their mistakes and eventually become a big force, the championship would be better for it.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 24, 2016, 12:21:08 PM
The best thing the Rossies (Players and management) can do now is take a break from all things football for two months. Clear the head! Serious thought has to be put into what effort is put into various competitions. Roscommon has won the FBD and done well in the League the last two seasons. FBD has to be relegated greatly importance wise. The last two seasons we have played the Rossies in the FBD, I found they were hitting hard and taking it to serious. I can totally understand Ros taking the League serious the last two seasons. Next year they are going to have to take a chance on not being as sharp for the league. Two to three wins can keep you in Division One. The Championship is the be all and end all of the season. In 2010 Mayo won the FBD, won 6 out of 7 league games and got to the league final. We were flying and looking forward to the Championship. We lost to Sligo in the Connacht Quarter final and Longford in round one of the Qualifiers. We put to much effort into earlier competitions and were flat coming into the Championship.
The reality is the Championship is where it is at. Galway stumbled through Division Two this year. The Rossies held their own in Division One. All the talk is of Galway. No body cares that they are a mid-table 2nd Division side! They put Mayo on their Arse, Won a Connacht, are in the Quaters and could make a semi final at least. Roscommons early form is all but forgotten (or even ridiculed in true GAA fashion).
Bunker, we were naming quintessentially FBD teams against ye in January, to put it in perspective in this year's FBD League final we played 6 of the eventual starters for the Connacht final whereas Galway lined out with something like 13 of their starters. The idea the FBD even registers is nonsense to be frank - we've won a single one of them since 1999, how many do Mayo and Galway have in that period? The only reason the Mayo game has any importance is because it's usually the last warm-up game before the league starts barring a final appearance, which is more of a hassle than a help given it will always be week before Round 1. Players are playing to either stay on the panel for the league or make the starting line-up for the league. There's plenty of motivation for every team in the country in that situation.
The NFL you might have more of a case to be made but we've basically been in a tailspin since we beat a Donegal team that was in fine form coming into that game in March. People can say, oh you peaked too early, but really March was still very early in the year so it's hardly as simple as that. We had plenty of time between the Donegal game and our next serious game - Galway, with all due respect to Sligo - on July 10th to find energy or form but we found neither. That needs to be looked at and the answer will not be as simple as pretending we're doing absolutely no work in the winter ala Kerry.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
I don't know too much about the thinking of Rossie people or the team but as an outside looking in they appear to blame everything but themselves. Last years U21 defeat was blamed on big bad Tyrone, nothing to do with how Roscommon players couldn't handle the heat when pressure was applied. A few weeks ago the bloody rain and wind was blamed, yesterday McStay is blaming a 6 day turnaround, even though Clare had the same turnaround. Until they look at their own failings they will never progress. After a huge amount of moaning about big bad Meath in 1996, Tyrone eventually used the experience as a positive. Roscommon have plenty of good players, hopefully they can learn from their mistakes and eventually become a big force, the championship would be better for it.
I agree, the bottom line is they are pretty average.
Some of their fans seem to have a bizarre take on where their team are at. They don't look to have any standout player in their team, they don't seem to have any player who has done it at Championship level, they haven't beaten Mayo or Galway in 15 years in Championship, they haven't really beaten anyone of note in 15 years of Championship football. If Roscommon are to progress I think there needs to be an acceptance that they are pretty ordinary and in order to compete with the best they will have to sacrifice their games and fight and battle for every ball. I think as has been shown in the past few years with them, when the heat is turned up they don't want to know about the battle.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 12:40:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
I don't know too much about the thinking of Rossie people or the team but as an outside looking in they appear to blame everything but themselves. Last years U21 defeat was blamed on big bad Tyrone, nothing to do with how Roscommon players couldn't handle the heat when pressure was applied. A few weeks ago the bloody rain and wind was blamed, yesterday McStay is blaming a 6 day turnaround, even though Clare had the same turnaround. Until they look at their own failings they will never progress. After a huge amount of moaning about big bad Meath in 1996, Tyrone eventually used the experience as a positive. Roscommon have plenty of good players, hopefully they can learn from their mistakes and eventually become a big force, the championship would be better for it.
I agree, the bottom line is they are pretty average.
Some of their fans seem to have a bizarre take on where their team are at. They don't look to have any standout player in their team, they don't seem to have any player who has done it at Championship level, they haven't beaten Mayo or Galway in 15 years in Championship, they haven't really beaten anyone of note in 15 years of Championship football. If Roscommon are to progress I think there needs to be an acceptance that they are pretty ordinary and in order to compete with the best they will have to sacrifice their games and fight and battle for every ball. I think as has been shown in the past few years with them, when the heat is turned up they don't want to know about the battle.
I asked the question 4 months ago how good were Roscommon when they couldn't beat Dublin's B Team in the National League
Quote from: INDIANA on July 24, 2016, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 12:40:57 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
I don't know too much about the thinking of Rossie people or the team but as an outside looking in they appear to blame everything but themselves. Last years U21 defeat was blamed on big bad Tyrone, nothing to do with how Roscommon players couldn't handle the heat when pressure was applied. A few weeks ago the bloody rain and wind was blamed, yesterday McStay is blaming a 6 day turnaround, even though Clare had the same turnaround. Until they look at their own failings they will never progress. After a huge amount of moaning about big bad Meath in 1996, Tyrone eventually used the experience as a positive. Roscommon have plenty of good players, hopefully they can learn from their mistakes and eventually become a big force, the championship would be better for it.
I agree, the bottom line is they are pretty average.
Some of their fans seem to have a bizarre take on where their team are at. They don't look to have any standout player in their team, they don't seem to have any player who has done it at Championship level, they haven't beaten Mayo or Galway in 15 years in Championship, they haven't really beaten anyone of note in 15 years of Championship football. If Roscommon are to progress I think there needs to be an acceptance that they are pretty ordinary and in order to compete with the best they will have to sacrifice their games and fight and battle for every ball. I think as has been shown in the past few years with them, when the heat is turned up they don't want to know about the battle.
I asked the question 4 months ago how good were Roscommon when they couldn't beat Dublin's B Team in the National League
I think it's also worth noting that Roscommon had one of the biggest spending budgets of any intercounty team last year.
As I said yesterday this thread needs more Syferus, however just like every other time when he is called out as a spoofer he runs to another thread with his tail between his legs, as Joe Brolly said, Roscommon are useless, simple are them three words. Where the sense of grandeur or delusion comes from inside the county of how good they are is insane.
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The best thing the Rossies (Players and management) can do now is take a break from all things football for two months. Clear the head! Serious thought has to be put into what effort is put into various competitions. Roscommon has won the FBD and done well in the League the last two seasons. FBD has to be relegated greatly importance wise. The last two seasons we have played the Rossies in the FBD, I found they were hitting hard and taking it to serious. I can totally understand Ros taking the League serious the last two seasons. Next year they are going to have to take a chance on not being as sharp for the league. Two to three wins can keep you in Division One. The Championship is the be all and end all of the season. In 2010 Mayo won the FBD, won 6 out of 7 league games and got to the league final. We were flying and looking forward to the Championship. We lost to Sligo in the Connacht Quarter final and Longford in round one of the Qualifiers. We put to much effort into earlier competitions and were flat coming into the Championship.
The reality is the Championship is where it is at. Galway stumbled through Division Two this year. The Rossies held their own in Division One. All the talk is of Galway. No body cares that they are a mid-table 2nd Division side! They put Mayo on their Arse, Won a Connacht, are in the Quaters and could make a semi final at least. Roscommons early form is all but forgotten (or even ridiculed in true GAA fashion).
Bunker, we were naming quintessentially FBD teams against ye in January, to put it in perspective in this year's FBD League final we played 6 of the eventual starters for the Connacht final whereas Galway lined out with something like 13 of their starters. The idea the FBD even registers is nonsense to be frank - we've won a single one of them since 1999, how many do Mayo and Galway have in that period? The only reason the Mayo game has any importance is because it's usually the last warm-up game before the league starts barring a final appearance, which is more of a hassle than a help given it will always be week before Round 1. Players are playing to either stay on the panel for the league or make the starting line-up for the league. There's plenty of motivation for every team in the country in that situation.
The NFL you might have more of a case to be made but we've basically been in a tailspin since we beat a Donegal team that was in fine form coming into that game in March. People can say, oh you peaked too early, but really March was still very early in the year so it's hardly as simple as that. We had plenty of time between the Donegal game and our next serious game - Galway, with all due respect to Sligo - on July 10th to find energy or form but we found neither. That needs to be looked at and the answer will not be as simple as pretending we're doing absolutely no work in the winter ala Kerry.
All due respect my arse, you wouldn't know the meaning of the word, your sense of delusion has been well exposed the last few weeks, we might be rather mediocre but we realise it, and besides at least we have beaten Mayo and Galway (x 3) in championship football in the last 15 years, unlike your heroes for all the talk. Well done Clare.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
I don't know too much about the thinking of Rossie people or the team but as an outside looking in they appear to blame everything but themselves. Last years U21 defeat was blamed on big bad Tyrone, nothing to do with how Roscommon players couldn't handle the heat when pressure was applied. A few weeks ago the bloody rain and wind was blamed, yesterday McStay is blaming a 6 day turnaround, even though Clare had the same turnaround. Until they look at their own failings they will never progress. After a huge amount of moaning about big bad Meath in 1996, Tyrone eventually used the experience as a positive. Roscommon have plenty of good players, hopefully they can learn from their mistakes and eventually become a big force, the championship would be better for it.
In fairness the Roscommon U21 team last year was Connacht champions and got within four points of Tyrone the eventual All Ireland champions.
Roscommon seniors even though they drew the first Connacht final they look further than ever away from winning a provincial title. Yesterday they had no energy,confidence game plan or system of play. I don't want to take away from Clares fine achievement of reaching All Ireland quarter final but Roscommon in that type of form was there for taking for any decent organised team.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on July 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
I don't know too much about the thinking of Rossie people or the team but as an outside looking in they appear to blame everything but themselves. Last years U21 defeat was blamed on big bad Tyrone, nothing to do with how Roscommon players couldn't handle the heat when pressure was applied. A few weeks ago the bloody rain and wind was blamed, yesterday McStay is blaming a 6 day turnaround, even though Clare had the same turnaround. Until they look at their own failings they will never progress. After a huge amount of moaning about big bad Meath in 1996, Tyrone eventually used the experience as a positive. Roscommon have plenty of good players, hopefully they can learn from their mistakes and eventually become a big force, the championship would be better for it.
In fairness the Roscommon U21 team last year was Connacht champions and got within four points of Tyrone the eventual All Ireland champions.
Roscommon seniors even though they drew the first Connacht final they look further than ever away from winning a provincial title. Yesterday they had no energy,confidence game plan or system of play. I don't want to take away from Clares fine achievement of reaching All Ireland quarter final but Roscommon in that type of form was there for taking for any decent organised team.
Roscommon have been there for the taking in the last 15 years for any decent organised team.
The four point defeat we inflicted on them in last year's u21 final was as flattering on them a yesterday's 6 point defeat to Clare was. It should have been a lot more.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on July 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
I don't know too much about the thinking of Rossie people or the team but as an outside looking in they appear to blame everything but themselves. Last years U21 defeat was blamed on big bad Tyrone, nothing to do with how Roscommon players couldn't handle the heat when pressure was applied. A few weeks ago the bloody rain and wind was blamed, yesterday McStay is blaming a 6 day turnaround, even though Clare had the same turnaround. Until they look at their own failings they will never progress. After a huge amount of moaning about big bad Meath in 1996, Tyrone eventually used the experience as a positive. Roscommon have plenty of good players, hopefully they can learn from their mistakes and eventually become a big force, the championship would be better for it.
In fairness the Roscommon U21 team last year was Connacht champions and got within four points of Tyrone the eventual All Ireland champions.
Roscommon seniors even though they drew the first Connacht final they look further than ever away from winning a provincial title. Yesterday they had no energy,confidence game plan or system of play. I don't want to take away from Clares fine achievement of reaching All Ireland quarter final but Roscommon in that type of form was there for taking for any decent organised team.
Roscommon have been there for the taking in the last 15 years for any decent organised team.
The four point defeat we inflicted on them in last year's u21 final was as flattering on them a yesterday's 6 point defeat to Clare was. It should have been a lot more.
Don't agree. Only two years ago I seen Roscommons seniors get within one point of Mayo. The Tyrone Roscommon U21 semi final last year was in balance right up to the final few minutes Tyrone secured the win with a few late scores.
Clare could easily have won by more but that was as much about Roscommon and how they performed than Clare in my opinion.
For a team that was in Division 4 only 5 years ago, Roscommon aren't doing that bad
A lot of the bad habits formed by playing at that level are still evident.
It'll take a few years but I'd have confidence in the quality of young players in the county. But do we have the coaches and management good enough to improve them?
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Quote from: BennyHarp on July 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
I don't know too much about the thinking of Rossie people or the team but as an outside looking in they appear to blame everything but themselves. Last years U21 defeat was blamed on big bad Tyrone, nothing to do with how Roscommon players couldn't handle the heat when pressure was applied. A few weeks ago the bloody rain and wind was blamed, yesterday McStay is blaming a 6 day turnaround, even though Clare had the same turnaround. Until they look at their own failings they will never progress. After a huge amount of moaning about big bad Meath in 1996, Tyrone eventually used the experience as a positive. Roscommon have plenty of good players, hopefully they can learn from their mistakes and eventually become a big force, the championship would be better for it.
In fairness the Roscommon U21 team last year was Connacht champions and got within four points of Tyrone the eventual All Ireland champions.
Roscommon seniors even though they drew the first Connacht final they look further than ever away from winning a provincial title. Yesterday they had no energy,confidence game plan or system of play. I don't want to take away from Clares fine achievement of reaching All Ireland quarter final but Roscommon in that type of form was there for taking for any decent organised team.
Roscommon have been there for the taking in the last 15 years for any decent organised team.
The four point defeat we inflicted on them in last year's u21 final was as flattering on them a yesterday's 6 point defeat to Clare was. It should have been a lot more.
Don't agree. Only two years ago I seen Roscommons seniors get within one point of Mayo. The Tyrone Roscommon U21 semi final last year was in balance right up to the final few minutes Tyrone secured the win with a few late scores.
Clare could easily have won by more but that was as much about Roscommon and how they performed than Clare in my opinion.
The Tyrone Roscommon u21 game was in the balance the same way the Roscommon Clare game was in the balance yesterday. The scoreline flattered Roscommon as it did yesterday, they were kept at arms lenght for the majority of the game, Tyrone pretty much led from start to finish in the u21 game.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on July 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
I don't know too much about the thinking of Rossie people or the team but as an outside looking in they appear to blame everything but themselves. Last years U21 defeat was blamed on big bad Tyrone, nothing to do with how Roscommon players couldn't handle the heat when pressure was applied. A few weeks ago the bloody rain and wind was blamed, yesterday McStay is blaming a 6 day turnaround, even though Clare had the same turnaround. Until they look at their own failings they will never progress. After a huge amount of moaning about big bad Meath in 1996, Tyrone eventually used the experience as a positive. Roscommon have plenty of good players, hopefully they can learn from their mistakes and eventually become a big force, the championship would be better for it.
In fairness the Roscommon U21 team last year was Connacht champions and got within four points of Tyrone the eventual All Ireland champions.
Roscommon seniors even though they drew the first Connacht final they look further than ever away from winning a provincial title. Yesterday they had no energy,confidence game plan or system of play. I don't want to take away from Clares fine achievement of reaching All Ireland quarter final but Roscommon in that type of form was there for taking for any decent organised team.
Roscommon have been there for the taking in the last 15 years for any decent organised team.
The four point defeat we inflicted on them in last year's u21 final was as flattering on them a yesterday's 6 point defeat to Clare was. It should have been a lot more.
Don't agree. Only two years ago I seen Roscommons seniors get within one point of Mayo. The Tyrone Roscommon U21 semi final last year was in balance right up to the final few minutes Tyrone secured the win with a few late scores.
Clare could easily have won by more but that was as much about Roscommon and how they performed than Clare in my opinion.
The Tyrone Roscommon u21 game was in the balance the same way the Roscommon Clare game was in the balance yesterday. The scoreline flattered Roscommon as it did yesterday, they were kept at arms lenght for the majority of the game, Tyrone pretty much led from start to finish in the u21 game.
You must have watched different games than me. Yesterday game was over when Clare led by five points at half time against the wind. Tyrone only led that U21 game by 2 points and it took three injury time points to secure the win. Like I said already that was a good Tyrone team that went on to win that All Ireland Clare on the other hand will likely get well beaten next Sunday.
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I don't know too much about the thinking of Rossie people or the team but as an outside looking in they appear to blame everything but themselves. Last years U21 defeat was blamed on big bad Tyrone, nothing to do with how Roscommon players couldn't handle the heat when pressure was applied. A few weeks ago the bloody rain and wind was blamed, yesterday McStay is blaming a 6 day turnaround, even though Clare had the same turnaround. Until they look at their own failings they will never progress. After a huge amount of moaning about big bad Meath in 1996, Tyrone eventually used the experience as a positive. Roscommon have plenty of good players, hopefully they can learn from their mistakes and eventually become a big force, the championship would be better for it.
In fairness the Roscommon U21 team last year was Connacht champions and got within four points of Tyrone the eventual All Ireland champions.
Roscommon seniors even though they drew the first Connacht final they look further than ever away from winning a provincial title. Yesterday they had no energy,confidence game plan or system of play. I don't want to take away from Clares fine achievement of reaching All Ireland quarter final but Roscommon in that type of form was there for taking for any decent organised team.
Roscommon have been there for the taking in the last 15 years for any decent organised team.
The four point defeat we inflicted on them in last year's u21 final was as flattering on them a yesterday's 6 point defeat to Clare was. It should have been a lot more.
Don't agree. Only two years ago I seen Roscommons seniors get within one point of Mayo. The Tyrone Roscommon U21 semi final last year was in balance right up to the final few minutes Tyrone secured the win with a few late scores.
Clare could easily have won by more but that was as much about Roscommon and how they performed than Clare in my opinion.
The Tyrone Roscommon u21 game was in the balance the same way the Roscommon Clare game was in the balance yesterday. The scoreline flattered Roscommon as it did yesterday, they were kept at arms lenght for the majority of the game, Tyrone pretty much led from start to finish in the u21 game.
You must have watched different games than me. Yesterday game was over when Clare led by five points at half time against the wind. Tyrone only led that U21 game by 2 points and it took three injury time points to secure the win. Like I said already that was a good Tyrone team that went on to win that All Ireland Clare on the other hand will likely get well beaten next Sunday.
There was about 3 points in it yesterday with not too long to go and I think Clare might have been a man down at the time, the game should have been over a lot earlier but it wasn't. That doesn't disguise the fact that the 6 point defeat flattered Roscommon.
The same was the case with Roscommon and Tyrone in the u21 game, Tyrone led from pretty much start to finish and had Roscommon at arms length, the result flattered Roscommon.
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I don't know too much about the thinking of Rossie people or the team but as an outside looking in they appear to blame everything but themselves. Last years U21 defeat was blamed on big bad Tyrone, nothing to do with how Roscommon players couldn't handle the heat when pressure was applied. A few weeks ago the bloody rain and wind was blamed, yesterday McStay is blaming a 6 day turnaround, even though Clare had the same turnaround. Until they look at their own failings they will never progress. After a huge amount of moaning about big bad Meath in 1996, Tyrone eventually used the experience as a positive. Roscommon have plenty of good players, hopefully they can learn from their mistakes and eventually become a big force, the championship would be better for it.
In fairness the Roscommon U21 team last year was Connacht champions and got within four points of Tyrone the eventual All Ireland champions.
Roscommon seniors even though they drew the first Connacht final they look further than ever away from winning a provincial title. Yesterday they had no energy,confidence game plan or system of play. I don't want to take away from Clares fine achievement of reaching All Ireland quarter final but Roscommon in that type of form was there for taking for any decent organised team.
Roscommon have been there for the taking in the last 15 years for any decent organised team.
The four point defeat we inflicted on them in last year's u21 final was as flattering on them a yesterday's 6 point defeat to Clare was. It should have been a lot more.
Don't agree. Only two years ago I seen Roscommons seniors get within one point of Mayo. The Tyrone Roscommon U21 semi final last year was in balance right up to the final few minutes Tyrone secured the win with a few late scores.
Clare could easily have won by more but that was as much about Roscommon and how they performed than Clare in my opinion.
The Tyrone Roscommon u21 game was in the balance the same way the Roscommon Clare game was in the balance yesterday. The scoreline flattered Roscommon as it did yesterday, they were kept at arms lenght for the majority of the game, Tyrone pretty much led from start to finish in the u21 game.
You must have watched different games than me. Yesterday game was over when Clare led by five points at half time against the wind. Tyrone only led that U21 game by 2 points and it took three injury time points to secure the win. Like I said already that was a good Tyrone team that went on to win that All Ireland Clare on the other hand will likely get well beaten next Sunday.
There was about 3 points in it yesterday with not too long to go and I think Clare might have been a man down at the time, the game should have been over a lot earlier but it wasn't. That doesn't disguise the fact that the 6 point defeat flattered Roscommon.
The same was the case with Roscommon and Tyrone in the u21 game, Tyrone led from pretty much start to finish and had Roscommon at arms length, the result flattered Roscommon.
You are missing my point. The Tyrone U21 win and manner of it was all about the quality of Tyrone. Clares win yesterday and the manner of it was as much about Roscommon than Clare.
That Bomber has a bad obsession.
Get herself a girl friend.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2016, 06:17:59 PM
That Bomber has a bad obsession.
Get herself a girl friend.
He has an unhealthy obsession of how good Tyrone truly are as well.
Roscommon are guilty of playing like an u21 team still. Not uncommon for a young panel but they have no defensive organisation whatsoever.
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Quote from: BennyHarp on July 24, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
I don't know too much about the thinking of Rossie people or the team but as an outside looking in they appear to blame everything but themselves. Last years U21 defeat was blamed on big bad Tyrone, nothing to do with how Roscommon players couldn't handle the heat when pressure was applied. A few weeks ago the bloody rain and wind was blamed, yesterday McStay is blaming a 6 day turnaround, even though Clare had the same turnaround. Until they look at their own failings they will never progress. After a huge amount of moaning about big bad Meath in 1996, Tyrone eventually used the experience as a positive. Roscommon have plenty of good players, hopefully they can learn from their mistakes and eventually become a big force, the championship would be better for it.
In fairness the Roscommon U21 team last year was Connacht champions and got within four points of Tyrone the eventual All Ireland champions.
Roscommon seniors even though they drew the first Connacht final they look further than ever away from winning a provincial title. Yesterday they had no energy,confidence game plan or system of play. I don't want to take away from Clares fine achievement of reaching All Ireland quarter final but Roscommon in that type of form was there for taking for any decent organised team.
Roscommon have been there for the taking in the last 15 years for any decent organised team.
The four point defeat we inflicted on them in last year's u21 final was as flattering on them a yesterday's 6 point defeat to Clare was. It should have been a lot more.
Don't agree. Only two years ago I seen Roscommons seniors get within one point of Mayo. The Tyrone Roscommon U21 semi final last year was in balance right up to the final few minutes Tyrone secured the win with a few late scores.
Clare could easily have won by more but that was as much about Roscommon and how they performed than Clare in my opinion.
The Tyrone Roscommon u21 game was in the balance the same way the Roscommon Clare game was in the balance yesterday. The scoreline flattered Roscommon as it did yesterday, they were kept at arms lenght for the majority of the game, Tyrone pretty much led from start to finish in the u21 game.
You must have watched different games than me. Yesterday game was over when Clare led by five points at half time against the wind. Tyrone only led that U21 game by 2 points and it took three injury time points to secure the win. Like I said already that was a good Tyrone team that went on to win that All Ireland Clare on the other hand will likely get well beaten next Sunday.
There was about 3 points in it yesterday with not too long to go and I think Clare might have been a man down at the time, the game should have been over a lot earlier but it wasn't. That doesn't disguise the fact that the 6 point defeat flattered Roscommon.
The same was the case with Roscommon and Tyrone in the u21 game, Tyrone led from pretty much start to finish and had Roscommon at arms length, the result flattered Roscommon.
You are missing my point. The Tyrone U21 win and manner of it was all about the quality of Tyrone. Clares win yesterday and the manner of it was as much about Roscommon than Clare.
And you're missing my point.
Tyrone comprehensively beat Roscommon in u21 last year, they led from start to finish, held a 3 point wind against the breeze at half time and the result flattered Roscommon. They never looked liked winning and Tyrone had them at arms length for the majority of the game.
The same happened yesterday.
Roscommon were big favourites for that game, they were favourites against Clare yesterday, they were favourites against Sligo and Fermanagh last year, they were favourites against Armagh the year before that. They were pretty much comprehensively beaten in all those games with the exception of the Fermanagh game where they collapsed late on.
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Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2016, 06:17:59 PM
That Bomber has a bad obsession.
Get herself a girl friend.
He has an unhealthy obsession of how good Tyrone truly are as well.
Roscommon are guilty of playing like an u21 team still. Not uncommon for a young panel but they have no defensive organisation whatsoever.
Management have a lot of things to be looking at starting with themselves.
Won't go running down individual players but a number of players featured in the last 3 games who virtually everyone bar the management knew weren't good enough. We obviously have no coaching of our players in defending, tackling, tracking opponents.
Whether staleness or friction players were not mentally or physically able for Championship football.
I think the management are getting off very lightly, I feel sorry for the some of the players as they've been heavily let down by the men in charge. McStay/FoD have had a lot time to prepare Roscommon defensively for the championship and the Kerry league semi final should have been a wake up call but it looks like they totally ignored what went on that day. At what point do you stop been unlucky with injuries? I've never heard of a team with so many hamstring injuries, there's something clearly not right.
Its not all doom and gloom though with the two Murtaghs's and the two Smith's and Harney there's a lot of potentially good forwards and in D Murtagh potentially one of the best in the country.
Them 5 lads have potential alright but we're awful short on decent defenders.
Hopefully management have a good look at themselves, identify what they did wrong and bring in coaches and maybe run some of backroom crew.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2016, 07:32:55 PM
Them 5 lads have potential alright but we're awful short on decent defenders.
Hopefully management have a good look at themselves, identify what they did wrong and bring in coaches and maybe run some of backroom crew.
How good are the 2 Daly's who went to the States? Collins & Niall Daly would surely make a huge difference in there? In fairness your current defenders would fair a lot better if they were given some proper protection.
Don't know what glory some lads getting from dancing on Ros grave. If I went around to gloat at other counties misfortune because some poster annoyed me, I'd consider myself a sick individual. So cop on those couple of posters from Sligo and Tyrone; you are little credit to your county either.
Congrats to Clare - the final score flattered us. It was a debacle of a game really, like a bad club game, error strewn game, with big lugs hassling players from the sideline and poor refereeing decisions. It's stuff like that puts young lads off playing football and turns supporters away.
Unfortunately our season was one long continuation of that last move against New York when we slowly came out with the ball, afraid to make a mistake, didn't know what to do with the ball other than give a bad pass to the nearest player.
One can also see now how smart the Mayo players were when they objected to McHale. Good management takes the blame when things go wrong; ours blames the players.
I hope we realise now as a county that the likes of Tony McManus and Shane Curran should never be listened to. Loud mouths who were very quick to stick the knife into John Evans. I hope the sight of Liam Kearns leading a Tipp team severely short of resources to the last 8 hammers home to them that they know absolutely fecking nothing about football.
But we are a small county, with a small pick, and I still believe we have our most talented players in a generation. The likes of Mullooly, Murtagh, Harney, Compton all U21 this year, Smith, Corcoran et all, just 22. They and the supporters all will have better days.
Anyway big congrats to Clare; big congrats to Tipp, and the best of luck to our remaining Connacht representatives in the All-Ireland championship.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 24, 2016, 07:21:10 PM
I think the management are getting off very lightly, I feel sorry for the some of the players as they've been heavily let down by the men in charge. McStay/FoD have had a lot time to prepare Roscommon defensively for the championship and the Kerry league semi final should have been a wake up call but it looks like they totally ignored what went on that day. At what point do you stop been unlucky with injuries? I've never heard of a team with so many hamstring injuries, there's something clearly not right.
Its not all doom and gloom though with the two Murtaghs's and the two Smith's and Harney there's a lot of potentially good forwards and in D Murtagh potentially one of the best in the country.
They were doing an abnormally high amount of training early in the season. Twice a day some days. Which would explain the hamstring injuries.
The second point on the defensive structure - all depends on the type of players you have. Roscommon have a lot of finishers up front but they don't have any Paul Flynns
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Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2016, 07:32:55 PM
Them 5 lads have potential alright but we're awful short on decent defenders.
Hopefully management have a good look at themselves, identify what they did wrong and bring in coaches and maybe run some of backroom crew.
How good are the 2 Daly's who went to the States? Collins & Niall Daly would surely make a huge difference in there? In fairness your current defenders would fair a lot better if they were given some proper protection.
Protection my arse. We can't get basic things like tackling and covering all men inside our 45 even when we have numerical advantages on the attacking team. The two Dalys will be a boost but Conor was never known as a great tackler himself. Might be best as a wing-forward but he's a smart player who it may be able to teach how to be better in the tackle, I guess like a lot of our players. Ronan would be a cuter hoor when it comes to marking a man. Only Neil Collins, and Davy Murray if you're being very generous (he's like in Seanie in that he's brave to a fault but his positional awareness can let him down at times), of this year's starters could I honestly say executed tackling at the level required.
Really worried that Niall Carty might be forced to retire because if he's not fit enough to be better than the defence we've been playing by now it's tough to see the route back. I hope to God all he needs is a run of competitive club games to get back to the level we need him to be at because he would have been one of the few men you'd trust to fill the void at 6.
Without a good defence you are pissing against the wind. That doesn't mean you have to find six top quality defenders as many county teams get by with average defenders if the right system of play is in place.
The six day turnaround after a loss certainly played a part in that game yesterday. Monaghan much further down the line than Roscommon lost at home to Longford a few weeks ago however there was only one team that was up for the fight in Pearses stadium yesterday and Clare should have won by more.
All hail Tyrone.
Masters of all opinions and knowledge in the Gaelic football world.
With one more senior All Ireland in their history than Roscommon
Quote from: weareros on July 24, 2016, 07:43:46 PM
Don't know what glory some lads getting from dancing on Ros grave. If I went around to gloat at other counties misfortune because some poster annoyed me, I'd consider myself a sick individual. So cop on those couple of posters from Sligo and Tyrone; you are little credit to your county either.
Congrats to Clare - the final score flattered us. It was a debacle of a game really, like a bad club game, error strewn game, with big lugs hassling players from the sideline and poor refereeing decisions. It's stuff like that puts young lads off playing football and turns supporters away.
Unfortunately our season was one long continuation of that last move against New York when we slowly came out with the ball, afraid to make a mistake, didn't know what to do with the ball other than give a bad pass to the nearest player.
One can also see now how smart the Mayo players were when they objected to McHale. Good management takes the blame when things go wrong; ours blames the players.
I hope we realise now as a county that the likes of Tony McManus and Shane Curran should never be listened to. Loud mouths who were very quick to stick the knife into John Evans. I hope the sight of Liam Kearns leading a Tipp team severely short of resources to the last 8 hammers home to them that they know absolutely fecking nothing about football.
But we are a small county, with a small pick, and I still believe we have our most talented players in a generation. The likes of Mullooly, Murtagh, Harney, Compton all U21 this year, Smith, Corcoran et all, just 22. They and the supporters all will have better days.
Anyway big congrats to Clare; big congrats to Tipp, and the best of luck to our remaining Connacht representatives in the All-Ireland championship.
Good post fair play. Posters kicking us when we are down in the gutter, on the basis of the shite talked by one poster from our county really irks me. The Mayo gaa banter page in particular should be disbanded, awful muck. However it reflects the opinion of one idiot from Mayo, in fairness the majority of Mayo people I know are sound. The semi final between Mayo and Galway should be good.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 24, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
All hail Tyrone.
Masters of all opinions and knowledge in the Gaelic football world.
With one more senior All Ireland in their history than Roscommon
How many of Tyrone's All Irelands were you alive for?
How many of Roscommon's were you alive for?
Quote from: weareros on July 24, 2016, 07:43:46 PM
Don't know what glory some lads getting from dancing on Ros grave. If I went around to gloat at other counties misfortune because some poster annoyed me, I'd consider myself a sick individual. So cop on those couple of posters from Sligo and Tyrone; you are little credit to your county either.
Congrats to Clare - the final score flattered us. It was a debacle of a game really, like a bad club game, error strewn game, with big lugs hassling players from the sideline and poor refereeing decisions. It's stuff like that puts young lads off playing football and turns supporters away.
Unfortunately our season was one long continuation of that last move against New York when we slowly came out with the ball, afraid to make a mistake, didn't know what to do with the ball other than give a bad pass to the nearest player.
One can also see now how smart the Mayo players were when they objected to McHale. Good management takes the blame when things go wrong; ours blames the players.
I hope we realise now as a county that the likes of Tony McManus and Shane Curran should never be listened to. Loud mouths who were very quick to stick the knife into John Evans. I hope the sight of Liam Kearns leading a Tipp team severely short of resources to the last 8 hammers home to them that they know absolutely fecking nothing about football.
But we are a small county, with a small pick, and I still believe we have our most talented players in a generation. The likes of Mullooly, Murtagh, Harney, Compton all U21 this year, Smith, Corcoran et all, just 22. They and the supporters all will have better days.
Anyway big congrats to Clare; big congrats to Tipp, and the best of luck to our remaining Connacht representatives in the All-Ireland championship.
Right guys.
The Roscommon lads want cuddles and violins anymore after they exit the championship with a whimper with all the bluster and hot air that goes with them.
If there's one Ros poster who's not very sensible ( ok there is!)
Bejasus Tyrone have one to outdo him by a country mile.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 24, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
All hail Tyrone.
Masters of all opinions and knowledge in the Gaelic football world.
With one more senior All Ireland in their history than Roscommon
How many of Tyrone's All Irelands were you alive for?
How many of Roscommon's were you alive for?
They all count pal.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 24, 2016, 10:35:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 24, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
All hail Tyrone.
Masters of all opinions and knowledge in the Gaelic football world.
With one more senior All Ireland in their history than Roscommon
How many of Tyrone's All Irelands were you alive for?
How many of Roscommon's were you alive for?
They all count pal.
Some of them are a lot more relevant to the state of today's affairs than others.
For instance, we have a three time All Ireland winner captaining us while without meaning to sound glib, Roscommon's All Ireland winners are pushing daisies.
Bomber Destro stop making a show of yourself. Focus on your own county Tyrone and stop occupying your mind on Roscommon just because some Roscommon poster upset you one time on here.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 24, 2016, 10:55:03 PM
Bomber Destro stop making a show of yourself. Focus on your own county Tyrone and stop occupying your mind on Roscommon just because some Roscommon poster upset you one time on here.
There wasn't just one pedalling fantasies after you had your arses handed to you in the u21 last year.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 24, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
All hail Tyrone.
Masters of all opinions and knowledge in the Gaelic football world.
With one more senior All Ireland in their history than Roscommon
How many of Tyrone's All Irelands were you alive for?
How many of Roscommon's were you alive for?
In fairness 3 AI's is a fairly mickey mouse return since 1884. Hardly good enough to get involved in a pissing contest
Quote from: INDIANA on July 24, 2016, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 24, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
All hail Tyrone.
Masters of all opinions and knowledge in the Gaelic football world.
With one more senior All Ireland in their history than Roscommon
How many of Tyrone's All Irelands were you alive for?
How many of Roscommon's were you alive for?
In fairness 3 AI's is a fairly mickey mouse return since 1884. Hardly good enough to get involved in a pissing contest
Dublin have won the same amount of All Ireland's as Tyrone in this millennium, with your limitless bank balance, huge player resources and eternal home game venues, you must be very disappointed with that mickey mouse return.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 24, 2016, 07:21:10 PM
I think the management are getting off very lightly, I feel sorry for the some of the players as they've been heavily let down by the men in charge. McStay/FoD have had a lot time to prepare Roscommon defensively for the championship and the Kerry league semi final should have been a wake up call but it looks like they totally ignored what went on that day. At what point do you stop been unlucky with injuries? I've never heard of a team with so many hamstring injuries, there's something clearly not right.
Its not all doom and gloom though with the two Murtaghs's and the two Smith's and Harney there's a lot of potentially good forwards and in D Murtagh potentially one of the best in the country.
Management are getting off lightly because it's their first year. They retained Division One football. Look, yesterday was Roscommons third week out in a row! After losing a connacht final badly they had 6 days to get the show back on the road.
It's a total disgrace that Roscommon who were in reality punished for getting to a Connacht final and drawing it. Thems the breaks!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 24, 2016, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 24, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
All hail Tyrone.
Masters of all opinions and knowledge in the Gaelic football world.
With one more senior All Ireland in their history than Roscommon
How many of Tyrone's All Irelands were you alive for?
How many of Roscommon's were you alive for?
In fairness 3 AI's is a fairly mickey mouse return since 1884. Hardly good enough to get involved in a pissing contest
Dublin have won the same amount of All Ireland's as Tyrone in this millennium, with your limitless bank balance, huge player resources and eternal home game venues, you must be very disappointed with that mickey mouse return.
If Dublin had been the other side of the border it might have won 5 all Irelands
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 24, 2016, 11:08:03 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 24, 2016, 07:21:10 PM
I think the management are getting off very lightly, I feel sorry for the some of the players as they've been heavily let down by the men in charge. McStay/FoD have had a lot time to prepare Roscommon defensively for the championship and the Kerry league semi final should have been a wake up call but it looks like they totally ignored what went on that day. At what point do you stop been unlucky with injuries? I've never heard of a team with so many hamstring injuries, there's something clearly not right.
Its not all doom and gloom though with the two Murtaghs's and the two Smith's and Harney there's a lot of potentially good forwards and in D Murtagh potentially one of the best in the country.
Management are getting off lightly because it's their first year. They retained Division One football. Look, yesterday was Roscommons third week out in a row! After losing a connacht final badly they had 6 days to get the show back on the road.
It's a total disgrace that Roscommon who were in reality punished for getting to a Connacht final and drawing it. Thems the breaks!
They had to beat New York, Leitrim, Sligo and Clare to get to an All Ireland quarter final. I'd have little sympathy for them when you compare and contrast it with the path Donegal have to achieve the same.
How's it a disgrace? It isn't even close to a disgrace and saying so is nonsense. If people want to keep the two week break then ensure your county boards reverse their daft decision and allow for replays.
Quote from: seafoid on July 24, 2016, 11:18:52 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 24, 2016, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 24, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
All hail Tyrone.
Masters of all opinions and knowledge in the Gaelic football world.
With one more senior All Ireland in their history than Roscommon
How many of Tyrone's All Irelands were you alive for?
How many of Roscommon's were you alive for?
In fairness 3 AI's is a fairly mickey mouse return since 1884. Hardly good enough to get involved in a pissing contest
Dublin have won the same amount of All Ireland's as Tyrone in this millennium, with your limitless bank balance, huge player resources and eternal home game venues, you must be very disappointed with that mickey mouse return.
If Dublin had been the other side of the border it might have won 5 all Irelands
It might have won zero if this was the case.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 24, 2016, 10:55:03 PM
Bomber Destro stop making a show of yourself. Focus on your own county Tyrone and stop occupying your mind on Roscommon just because some Roscommon poster upset you one time on here.
There wasn't just one pedalling fantasies after you had your arses handed to you in the u21 last year.
Were you born fragile or developed it into your adult life? If the latter a internet discussion forum isn't the place for you.
New managements usually get a good response in first year and Ros. performed well in spring.
Roscommon management now face a dilemma next year. If they put less emphasis on the league they could get relegated. That would not be good going into championship either.
I don t believe in joint managements either. Ideally Liamín should keep a lower profile but ye cant have Camelot without Lancelot!
Quote from: Zulu on July 24, 2016, 11:19:30 PM
How's it a disgrace? It isn't even close to a disgrace and saying so is nonsense. If people want to keep the two week break then ensure your county boards reverse their daft decision and allow for replays.
Disgrace would be too strong of a word but in fairness Roscommon were punished for drawing a Connacht final.
This was said in congress when the qualifiers became A and B system.
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The new design will guarantee beaten provincial finalists a minimum of 13 days before their fourth round qualifier.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 24, 2016, 11:24:33 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 24, 2016, 10:55:03 PM
Bomber Destro stop making a show of yourself. Focus on your own county Tyrone and stop occupying your mind on Roscommon just because some Roscommon poster upset you one time on here.
There wasn't just one pedalling fantasies after you had your arses handed to you in the u21 last year.
Were you born fragile or developed it into your adult life? If the latter a internet discussion forum isn't the place for you.
Fragile?
No, I'm not from Roscommon.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 24, 2016, 11:37:08 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 24, 2016, 11:19:30 PM
How's it a disgrace? It isn't even close to a disgrace and saying so is nonsense. If people want to keep the two week break then ensure your county boards reverse their daft decision and allow for replays.
Disgrace would be too strong of a word but in fairness Roscommon were punished for drawing a Connacht final.
This was said in congress when the qualifiers became A and B system.
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The new design will guarantee beaten provincial finalists a minimum of 13 days before their fourth round qualifier.
I was going to use the word unfair! But i felt Disgrace was a bit more forceful. Inequitable, discriminatory, are others that come to mind. Monaghan got caught with the same malarkey. And although It's nice for counties like Clare and Longford. There is always the question in the back of your mind, what if the defeated had the extra week?
Fine but we can't have our cake and eat it. There was a 13 day gap built in from all provincial finals but we had draws so unless you ensure there's a winner on the day (which I think there should be) or we have a 3 or 4 week gap (which is daft and unfair on clubs) then you can't solve it in the current system. People need to stop pissing and moaning about the current system while still supporting the provincial championships. Either get rid of the provincials or suck it up.
The way around this is abolishing replays and going with extra time.
However the 6 day turnaround is the lamest excuse around. Clare played 7 days ago, if a team wants to sit around licking their wounds for the week after a defeat then they get what they deserve.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 24, 2016, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 24, 2016, 11:37:08 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 24, 2016, 11:19:30 PM
How's it a disgrace? It isn't even close to a disgrace and saying so is nonsense. If people want to keep the two week break then ensure your county boards reverse their daft decision and allow for replays.
Disgrace would be too strong of a word but in fairness Roscommon were punished for drawing a Connacht final.
This was said in congress when the qualifiers became A and B system.
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The new design will guarantee beaten provincial finalists a minimum of 13 days before their fourth round qualifier.
I was going to use the word unfair! But i felt Disgrace was a bit more forceful. Inequitable, discriminatory, are others that come to mind. Monaghan got caught with the same malarkey. And although It's nice for counties like Clare and Longford. There is always the question in the back of your mind, what if the defeated had the extra week?
Last year one of the surprise results of the summer was Kildares 8 point win against Cork in round 4. Cork had a six day turnaround for that game after a Munster final replay. Kildare went onto to face Kerry the following week feeling good about themselves and received almighty hammering. I fear the same could happen to Clare now i hope not and they give a decent account of themselves.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 24, 2016, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 24, 2016, 11:37:08 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 24, 2016, 11:19:30 PM
How's it a disgrace? It isn't even close to a disgrace and saying so is nonsense. If people want to keep the two week break then ensure your county boards reverse their daft decision and allow for replays.
Disgrace would be too strong of a word but in fairness Roscommon were punished for drawing a Connacht final.
This was said in congress when the qualifiers became A and B system.
Quote
The new design will guarantee beaten provincial finalists a minimum of 13 days before their fourth round qualifier.
I was going to use the word unfair! But i felt Disgrace was a bit more forceful. Inequitable, discriminatory, are others that come to mind. Monaghan got caught with the same malarkey. And although It's nice for counties like Clare and Longford. There is always the question in the back of your mind, what if the defeated had the extra week?
I have little doubt in my mind we'd still have lost.
Quote from: Syferus on July 25, 2016, 12:24:09 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 24, 2016, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 24, 2016, 11:37:08 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 24, 2016, 11:19:30 PM
How's it a disgrace? It isn't even close to a disgrace and saying so is nonsense. If people want to keep the two week break then ensure your county boards reverse their daft decision and allow for replays.
Disgrace would be too strong of a word but in fairness Roscommon were punished for drawing a Connacht final.
This was said in congress when the qualifiers became A and B system.
Quote
The new design will guarantee beaten provincial finalists a minimum of 13 days before their fourth round qualifier.
I was going to use the word unfair! But i felt Disgrace was a bit more forceful. Inequitable, discriminatory, are others that come to mind. Monaghan got caught with the same malarkey. And although It's nice for counties like Clare and Longford. There is always the question in the back of your mind, what if the defeated had the extra week?
I have little doubt in my mind we'd still have lost.
It's always better to think that way. To be fair Clare might have done ye the favour of not having to meet Kerry in Croker and face a right whipping. Better to go out now humbly now and lick your wounds than face that?
Time to take a sabbatical and recharge for the next crusade. Things will look a lot brighter come January!
I just don't understand the six-day turnaround excuse. Teams win the soccer world cup playing seven games in a month. Months of physical and mental training and teams can't handle two games in a week? I don't buy it. One of the most fragile Kildare teams in history won the ultimate banana-skin fixture away to Offaly six days after a 19-point defeat last year. Roscommon need to look in the mirror.
Beaten provincial finalists already have it too easy. They come in at round 4 and only have to win 1 match. A beaten semi finalist comes in a full 2 rounds earlier. And you should be punished for not winning matches in your province. Dont really have a problem with 6 day turnarounds as the opposing side probably played the week previous also. Had Ros been beaten in Salthill then they'd be coming in off a 2 week break with Clare having had to play the previous weekend. That would be unfair
A Provincial Final is a BIG game that teams have prepared for and (except in Leinster maybe) are on a high going into it.
A bad show, a sickening defeat or the like leaves a team deflated and not in a good place mentally. The thought of another game in 6 days is a ln awful prospect .
Meanwhile the lads winning Qualifiers are on a roll and can't wait to get into another game.
As for soccer teams in World Cups playing every few days - they are professionals, that's their job.
Most people have to go to work every day.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2016, 08:11:52 AM
A Provincial Final is a BIG game that teams have prepared for and (except in Leinster maybe) are on a high going into it.
A bad show, a sickening defeat or the like leaves a team deflated and not in a good place mentally. The thought of another game in 6 days is a ln awful prospect .
Meanwhile the lads winning Qualifiers are on a roll and can't wait to get into another game.
As for soccer teams in World Cups playing every few days - they are professionals, that's their job.
Most people have to go to work every day.
The psychological effects of a loss take more than a week to get over. Momentum is better for the teams coming out of R3. So much of sport is psychology.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 25, 2016, 01:48:49 AM
I just don't understand the six-day turnaround excuse. Teams win the soccer world cup playing seven games in a month. Months of physical and mental training and teams can't handle two games in a week? I don't buy it
Couldn't agree more.
Quote from: laoislad on July 25, 2016, 08:36:42 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 25, 2016, 01:48:49 AM
I just don't understand the six-day turnaround excuse. Teams win the soccer world cup playing seven games in a month. Months of physical and mental training and teams can't handle two games in a week? I don't buy it
Couldn't agree more.
Neither of you see that teams in a World Cup are playing other teams subjected to exactly the same schedule and environment?
Even if it were comparable - which is a ridiculous notion - the old "well if professional sportsmen can do it..." Argument isn't exactly the best argument.
Professional footballers or rugby players are playing for their wages, have all day to rest and recover after training, have full access to physios and other facilities
GAA players (most of them) have to go to work all week
The World Cup example is not a great one either, as you never have a situation where a team loses an absolutely crucial game, and has to get up for a game they weren't planning on playing in a very short time.
If it's an 'unexpected' game, it's because you've won the previous game which means you have the benefit of a win behind you.
If you lose a group game, you always knew you had another game coming behind anyway.
The closest correlation in this case, where we *have* seen similar results is when a team gets eliminated in their second group game, where the third game becomes a dead rubber. Usually in those cases, the team that is out loses. Not because they are unfit, but because they are deflated and disillusioned.
I got slated before when I let people know who was running the show in Roscommon, And now I find it funny other posters who were calling me this and that are now waking up as to what our management are really about. We have some very talented players in Roscommon, Maybe we over rate them but they are still extremely talented imo. Our current Manager does not want talented footballers he wants robots who will do what he says and try perfect a terrible defensive set up that he tried against Donegal in Minor a few years ago.
Why we could not have given the job straight up to McStay and McHale I will never know and hopefully that's what will happen in next few months and see what they are really made of.
People will slate me and say I am anti FOD, I am not he has done a lot for our small county and his heart is in right place But he is clueless on the sideline and a poor judge of a player imo, Let him stay in back ground as a coach maybe but he has made enough selection mistakes in the past. Bringing back lads that wernt good enough in 2011 when he was last in charge.
Poor David Keenan was getting slated by everyone last few weeks but in fairness to the lad he is not a midfielder and plenty of lads will get the better of him at midfield in Intermediate club championship this year yet we play him there against one the best midfields in country?He is a wing back. Cathal Shine got shafted by management, Best player we had until injury last year now cant even get in match day squad.
The 6 day turnaround is hard but no point saying that is reason we lost, we could have had a 60 day break and still would have lost to Clare, The morale is gone in the camp simple as and has been for a number of months.
Oliver take your personal vendetta against Fergal somewhere else please.
Do you really think no one else has a say in the extensive management and back up team?
Who are the talented players not on the panel who are being overlooked in favour of robots?
Your 2 mates from Pearses chose to go to America for the Summer as they are perfectly entitled to.
McStay would only get involved if Fergal came too.
Cathal Shine is obviously not considered fit for action.
Management as a whole need a self critical examination of their methods, training,coaching and team selections.
They have persisted with one lad who is not of Inter Co standard and put another in last Saturday as well.
They have persisted with a few bucks who have contributed nothing to the team for ages.
The team seems to have no structure or game plan in either attack or defence other than short kick outs and watery sh1te tossball.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2016, 12:32:57 PM
Oliver take your personal vendetta against Fergal somewhere else please.
Do you really think no one else has a say in the extensive management and back up team?
Who are the talented players not on the panel who are being overlooked in favour of robots?
Your 2 mates from Pearses chose to go to America for the Summer as they are perfectly entitled to.
McStay would only get involved if Fergal came too.
Cathal Shine is obviously not considered fit for action.
Management as a whole need a self critical examination of their methods, training,coaching and team selections.
They have persisted with one lad who is not of Inter Co standard and put another in last Saturday as well.
They have persisted with a few bucks who have contributed nothing to the team for ages.
The team seems to have no structure or game plan in either attack or defence other than short kick outs and watery sh1te tossball.
I don't have a personal vendetta against Fergal only some clowns in county think sun shines out of his hole which it certainly doesn't. As I said he is great coach but hasn't a clue otherwise.
No I don't believe they have not a bit of contribution but I have heard first hand its FOD and Casey who are running the show. I recommend you ask any panellist and they will confirm this.
I didn't mean not in panel, I meant in squad but not been selected and whole county can see that. Selection issues have been a problem all year.
Cathal Shine is fit but was fucked about this year, Another clubmate of mine was fucked about by them at weekend too in young Lennon. One example would be Fetherstone who is better than majority of defenders on panel.
I don't buy into McStay would not get involved without Fergal. Mulryan the money man would only fund team if Fergal was involved.
I agree with all your other valid points in relation to management as a whole, but just needs be clarified who is actually in control of things
Was surprised and disappointed to see Fetherstone gone whether he left or was pushed I'm not sure.He took charge of the FBLine v Galway in the FBD Final when Syfín's hero was floundering all over the place.
If there are"structural" issues in the management team surely McStay and FO'D need to sort it out before next per season.
If players have issues with management it too needs to be put out in the open at a clear the air meeting.
Co Chair needs to step in to make sure those things happen.
Given all that transpired in championship this year, this turned out to be a fair prophetic quote by John Evans when speaking to RTE last year after the clubs moved to oust him, despite the players wanting him to remain.
"There was an active canvass then to remove John Evans and that's the way it went. I know that two or three of the people involved had sons that I didn't bring onto the team or bring onto the panel."
Don't think we'll get anywhere as a county until we rid ourselves of the parish pump politics.
Rossfan he was dropped
I genuinely believe one of them needs to be outright manager and have final say. Joint managers cant work, if they are at loggerheads over certain position who has final say? it cant work.
Agree a clear the air meeting needs to happen not now nut in few weeks when everyone has had time to reflect. I also think Co Chairman needs a meeting with management to seek explanations for some the baffling selections this year, Seeing as he was one who canvassed for this management team.
One of the reasons players loved Evans was his man management skills, This management team have Zero man management skill which needs to be addressed
Oliver is there any player who doesn't trust you with their deepest thoughts and desires?
Quote from: Syferus on July 25, 2016, 02:43:27 PM
Oliver is there any player who doesn't trust you with their deepest thoughts and desires?
What do you mean by that? Its not that hard get info around the place, But seeing as you live in Mayo I understand why you have no clue about anything Roscommon related.
Would serve players better to raise any concerns they might have through the team captain with management.
Griping to club mates or pals is NOT the way to go.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 25, 2016, 01:48:49 AM
I just don't understand the six-day turnaround excuse. Teams win the soccer world cup playing seven games in a month. Months of physical and mental training and teams can't handle two games in a week? I don't buy it. One of the most fragile Kildare teams in history won the ultimate banana-skin fixture away to Offaly six days after a 19-point defeat last year. Roscommon need to look in the mirror.
3 teams out of 19 have got over the six day turn around. It is of course harder to get over if you lose a provincial final.
The World Cup analogy is a bad comparison. The world cup has a trophy at the end of the competition and none on offer on the way unlike the AI series. Also it starts off on a league basis where teams can play for draws. It's a complete different kettle of fish.
Teams play in the League in the Spring and can bounce back a week after a heavy defeat. But psychologically it's different, as you know more than likely you'll have a game the next week. And it's not do or die.
The GAA have to tidy this farce up! Either they give the defeated team time to prepare for their entry into the AI series proper. Or if they are under pressure calendar wise then cut out replays and bring in extra time in the original fixture.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 25, 2016, 05:00:33 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 25, 2016, 01:48:49 AM
I just don't understand the six-day turnaround excuse. Teams win the soccer world cup playing seven games in a month. Months of physical and mental training and teams can't handle two games in a week? I don't buy it. One of the most fragile Kildare teams in history won the ultimate banana-skin fixture away to Offaly six days after a 19-point defeat last year. Roscommon need to look in the mirror.
3 teams out of 19 have got over the six day turn around. It is of course harder to get over if you lose a provincial final.
The World Cup analogy is a bad comparison. The world cup has a trophy at the end of the competition and none on offer on the way unlike the AI series. Also it starts off on a league basis where teams can play for draws. It's a complete different kettle of fish.
Teams play in the League in the Spring and can bounce back a week after a heavy defeat. But psychologically it's different, as you know more than likely you'll have a game the next week. And it's not do or die.
The GAA have to tidy this farce up! Either they give the defeated team time to prepare for their entry into the AI series proper. Or if they are under pressure calendar wise then cut out replays and bring in extra time in the original fixture.
You often have poor/weak/very average teams getting to a provincial final depending on how the draws work out or simply by being a point or two better than sides who are legitimately terrible or have an off-day. Sometimes sides get to provincial finals by doing little more than togging out and getting to the pitch.
This year Westmeath got to a Leinster final by beating Wexford by a point and Kildare by a point. Would anyone in the world have backed them against a side who had won 2/3/4 games in a row through the qualifiers with or without a 6 day turnaround?
I would imagine that if you looked back at the poor stats on the 6-day turnaround that a lot of the time it was the case that the teams that lost were only very average/poor.
McStay gave plenty of time to Parkinson in an interview after the match. He admitted Cathal Shine's conditioning isn't up to the standard required so wasn't picked.
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 25, 2016, 09:15:24 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 25, 2016, 05:00:33 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 25, 2016, 01:48:49 AM
I just don't understand the six-day turnaround excuse. Teams win the soccer world cup playing seven games in a month. Months of physical and mental training and teams can't handle two games in a week? I don't buy it. One of the most fragile Kildare teams in history won the ultimate banana-skin fixture away to Offaly six days after a 19-point defeat last year. Roscommon need to look in the mirror.
3 teams out of 19 have got over the six day turn around. It is of course harder to get over if you lose a provincial final.
The World Cup analogy is a bad comparison. The world cup has a trophy at the end of the competition and none on offer on the way unlike the AI series. Also it starts off on a league basis where teams can play for draws. It's a complete different kettle of fish.
Teams play in the League in the Spring and can bounce back a week after a heavy defeat. But psychologically it's different, as you know more than likely you'll have a game the next week. And it's not do or die.
The GAA have to tidy this farce up! Either they give the defeated team time to prepare for their entry into the AI series proper. Or if they are under pressure calendar wise then cut out replays and bring in extra time in the original fixture.
You often have poor/weak/very average teams getting to a provincial final depending on how the draws work out or simply by being a point or two better than sides who are legitimately terrible or have an off-day. Sometimes sides get to provincial finals by doing little more than togging out and getting to the pitch.
This year Westmeath got to a Leinster final by beating Wexford by a point and Kildare by a point. Would anyone in the world have backed them against a side who had won 2/3/4 games in a row through the qualifiers with or without a 6 day turnaround?
I would imagine that if you looked back at the poor stats on the 6-day turnaround that a lot of the time it was the case that the teams that lost were only very average/poor.
+1
That makes a lot of sense.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 11:03:34 PM
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 24, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
All hail Tyrone.
Masters of all opinions and knowledge in the Gaelic football world.
With one more senior All Ireland in their history than Roscommon
How many of Tyrone's All Irelands were you alive for?
How many of Roscommon's were you alive for?
In fairness 3 AI's is a fairly mickey mouse return since 1884. Hardly good enough to get involved in a pissing contest
Dublin have won the same amount of All Ireland's as Tyrone in this millennium, with your limitless bank balance, huge player resources and eternal home game venues, you must be very disappointed with that mickey mouse return.
Give us a shout if you ever make double figures. Until then ......
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 11:20:30 PM
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 24, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
All hail Tyrone.
Masters of all opinions and knowledge in the Gaelic football world.
With one more senior All Ireland in their history than Roscommon
How many of Tyrone's All Irelands were you alive for?
How many of Roscommon's were you alive for?
In fairness 3 AI's is a fairly mickey mouse return since 1884. Hardly good enough to get involved in a pissing contest
Dublin have won the same amount of All Ireland's as Tyrone in this millennium, with your limitless bank balance, huge player resources and eternal home game venues, you must be very disappointed with that mickey mouse return.
If Dublin had been the other side of the border it might have won 5 all Irelands
It might have won zero if this was the case.
As I said with 3 AI's you've no right to tell anyone how to play the game. None whatsoever so go back to bed and stop making a complete tit of yourself.
QuoteAs I said with 3 AI's you've no right to tell anyone how to play the game. None whatsoever so go back to bed and stop making a complete tit of yourself.
...while Indiana has a bagful of AI medals, so consider yourself told... ;)
Can ye bucks take the Tyrone/Dublin shiteology somewhere else please?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 25, 2016, 05:00:33 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 25, 2016, 01:48:49 AM
I just don't understand the six-day turnaround excuse. Teams win the soccer world cup playing seven games in a month. Months of physical and mental training and teams can't handle two games in a week? I don't buy it. One of the most fragile Kildare teams in history won the ultimate banana-skin fixture away to Offaly six days after a 19-point defeat last year. Roscommon need to look in the mirror.
3 teams out of 19 have got over the six day turn around. It is of course harder to get over if you lose a provincial final.
The World Cup analogy is a bad comparison. The world cup has a trophy at the end of the competition and none on offer on the way unlike the AI series. Also it starts off on a league basis where teams can play for draws. It's a complete different kettle of fish.
Teams play in the League in the Spring and can bounce back a week after a heavy defeat. But psychologically it's different, as you know more than likely you'll have a game the next week. And it's not do or die.
The GAA have to tidy this farce up! Either they give the defeated team time to prepare for their entry into the AI series proper. Or if they are under pressure calendar wise then cut out replays and bring in extra time in the original fixture.
I think ye are reading too much into this. Id like to see the list of the 19 teams with a 6 day turnaround and who they played and make a judgment then.
I think the big picture here though is that from 1-9 Roscommon are in reality a Division 3 team. Poor individually and compounding that a poor defensive structure. No matter how much Roscommon put up their defense will keep other teams in games. Clare should have won this game by 12 points and an extra 6 days wouldn't have made a difference to the result.
I think the only way to go is have extra time in all provincial games. Not that it's ever going to happen.
Too many €s at stake.
Ulster's 2 Replays attracted 40,000 or more, C F replay almost 16,000 so well over €1m.
Didn't we have extra time in early rounds of the Provincials for a couple of years but even that was voted out again.
Agree with earlier poster - another week wasn't going to help us this year as our race was run already for 2016.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 25, 2016, 10:57:27 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 11:20:30 PM
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 24, 2016, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 24, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
All hail Tyrone.
Masters of all opinions and knowledge in the Gaelic football world.
With one more senior All Ireland in their history than Roscommon
How many of Tyrone's All Irelands were you alive for?
How many of Roscommon's were you alive for?
In fairness 3 AI's is a fairly mickey mouse return since 1884. Hardly good enough to get involved in a pissing contest
Dublin have won the same amount of All Ireland's as Tyrone in this millennium, with your limitless bank balance, huge player resources and eternal home game venues, you must be very disappointed with that mickey mouse return.
If Dublin had been the other side of the border it might have won 5 all Irelands
It might have won zero if this was the case.
As I said with 3 AI's you've no right to tell anyone how to play the game. None whatsoever so go back to bed and stop making a complete tit of yourself.
And neither have you with your paltry return in the past 25 years despite all the advantages you are given over every side.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 26, 2016, 11:23:21 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 25, 2016, 10:57:27 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 11:20:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 24, 2016, 11:18:52 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 24, 2016, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 24, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
All hail Tyrone.
Masters of all opinions and knowledge in the Gaelic football world.
With one more senior All Ireland in their history than Roscommon
How many of Tyrone's All Irelands were you alive for?
How many of Roscommon's were you alive for?
In fairness 3 AI's is a fairly mickey mouse return since 1884. Hardly good enough to get involved in a pissing contest
Dublin have won the same amount of All Ireland's as Tyrone in this millennium, with your limitless bank balance, huge player resources and eternal home game venues, you must be very disappointed with that mickey mouse return.
If Dublin had been the other side of the border it might have won 5 all Irelands
It might have won zero if this was the case.
As I said with 3 AI's you've no right to tell anyone how to play the game. None whatsoever so go back to bed and stop making a complete tit of yourself.
And neither have you with your paltry return in the past 25 years despite all the advantages you are given over every side.
Dublin would have still won that many All Ireland had they been in Ulster maybe more because they might have got a small bit of a challenge before knock out stages. Enough of this Ulster is hardest province shite, I think we have all seen how well Ulster sides have done this year. No better than any other province so come down off you're high horse
Quote from: Brapbrap on July 26, 2016, 09:34:03 AM
I think ye are reading too much into this. Id like to see the list of the 19 teams with a 6 day turnaround and who they played and make a judgment then.
I think the big picture here though is that from 1-9 Roscommon are in reality a Division 3 team. Poor individually and compounding that a poor defensive structure. No matter how much Roscommon put up their defense will keep other teams in games. Clare should have won this game by 12 points and an extra 6 days wouldn't have made a difference to the result.
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Quote from: oliverkelly on July 26, 2016, 11:29:31 AM
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Quote from: INDIANA on July 25, 2016, 10:57:27 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 11:20:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 24, 2016, 11:18:52 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 24, 2016, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 24, 2016, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 24, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
All hail Tyrone.
Masters of all opinions and knowledge in the Gaelic football world.
With one more senior All Ireland in their history than Roscommon
How many of Tyrone's All Irelands were you alive for?
How many of Roscommon's were you alive for?
In fairness 3 AI's is a fairly mickey mouse return since 1884. Hardly good enough to get involved in a pissing contest
Dublin have won the same amount of All Ireland's as Tyrone in this millennium, with your limitless bank balance, huge player resources and eternal home game venues, you must be very disappointed with that mickey mouse return.
If Dublin had been the other side of the border it might have won 5 all Irelands
It might have won zero if this was the case.
As I said with 3 AI's you've no right to tell anyone how to play the game. None whatsoever so go back to bed and stop making a complete tit of yourself.
And neither have you with your paltry return in the past 25 years despite all the advantages you are given over every side.
Dublin would have still won that many All Ireland had they been in Ulster maybe more because they might have got a small bit of a challenge before knock out stages. Enough of this Ulster is hardest province shite, I think we have all seen how well Ulster sides have done this year. No better than any other province so come down off you're high horse
It can't always be summer.
Ulster is the toughest province, this year is an outlier with the statistics on hand since the qualifiers have been introduced.
Ulster teams the only ones we have been able to beat in knockout championship the last five years. Says it all really.
Quote from: Syferus on July 26, 2016, 01:14:23 PM
Ulster teams the only ones we have been able to beat in knockout championship the last five years. Says it all really.
They're also the ones who have dumped you out of the Championship.
Armagh beaten by Laois who lost to Clare who were hammered by Kerry
Antrim. lost to Limerick
Cavan lost to Derry who lost to Tipp who were hammered in Munster
Derry see above
Down lost to Monaghan who lost to Longford who lost to Offaly and Cork
Donegal scraped past Monaghan who ..
Fermanagh reasonable defeat to Mayowestros
Monaghan see above
Tyrone scraped past Donegal who......
Seems Tipp and Clare may have to move to Ulster to strengthen it a little u;)
Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2016, 02:05:21 PM
Armagh beaten by Laois who lost to Clare who were hammered by Kerry
Antrim. lost to Limerick
Cavan lost to Derry who lost to Tipp who were hammered in Munster
Derry see above
Down lost to Monaghan who lost to Longford who lost to Offaly and Cork
Donegal scraped past Monaghan who ..
Fermanagh reasonable defeat to Mayowestros
Monaghan see above
Tyrone scraped past Donegal who......
Seems Tipp and Clare may have to move to Ulster to strengthen it a little u;)
It can't always be summer.
In the past three seasons Ulster has taken 3/4, 2/4 and 3/4 of the qualifier places. There seems to be an awful lot of people rejoicing anomalies and outliers.
But Ulster have more counties than Connacht or Munster so it's not really surprising that Ulster would get more in the final stages than provinces with less teams. I don't think anyone can argue that Ulster hasn't been the strongest province but it has never been the minefield some people like to paint it and at the moment it is no stronger than the others.
Antrim, Armagh and Down are unlikely to be mush stronger next year and would be confident of beating very few teams. Fermanagh, Derry and Cavan are well short of the best teams. While I'm not sure Monaghan, Donegal and Tyrone have a genuine All Ireland contender among them.
Tyrone are certainly improving and have lots of quality but a relatively mediocre Ulster may have hidden weaknesses the likes of Kerry, Mayo or Dublin will expose.
I don't think any province is particularly strong at the moment and Ulster may still be the strongest but if it is, then it's the best of a bad bunch.
It's Dublin and the rest of us unfortunately. :-\
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 25, 2016, 09:48:01 PM
McStay gave plenty of time to Parkinson in an interview after the match. He admitted Cathal Shine's conditioning isn't up to the standard required so wasn't picked.
And he even managed to rubbish Sligo in his darkest hour in that interview. Weird how he's so obsessed with us given how useless he believes we are. That batin in 2000 must still hurt. We were lucky of course.....
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 26, 2016, 11:10:38 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 25, 2016, 09:48:01 PM
McStay gave plenty of time to Parkinson in an interview after the match. He admitted Cathal Shine's conditioning isn't up to the standard required so wasn't picked.
And he even managed to rubbish Sligo in his darkest hour in that interview. Weird how he's so obsessed with us given how useless he believes we are. That batin in 2000 must still hurt. We were lucky of course.....
In fairness sentiments of Sligo's uselessness are widespread in Ireland.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 25, 2016, 09:25:50 AM
The closest correlation in this case, where we *have* seen similar results is when a team gets eliminated in their second group game, where the third game becomes a dead rubber. Usually in those cases, the team that is out loses. Not because they are unfit, but because they are deflated and disillusioned.
But that's exactly the point AZ Offaly - Roscommon and other six-day turnaround losers aren't out and letting one defeat "deflate and disillusion" doesn't speak well for a player's character. I remember when we had straight knock-out, you'd give anything to have a second chance.
I just think that after preparing for eight months, not attacking your second chance with everything you have is mental weakness. Teams that were hopping off the turf for league games can't get up for a knockout championship match? I don't buy it. A mentally strong, ambitious team would be glad of the chance.
It's just an awful attitude to head into your last chance for the year with a mentality of "ah, after what happened last weekend, I don't really fancy it".
Anyway I raised the point because Clare aren't getting enough credit. They are just a better team than Roscommon, at the moment anyway.
16 out of 19.
Facts speak for themselves.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 26, 2016, 11:10:38 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 25, 2016, 09:48:01 PM
McStay gave plenty of time to Parkinson in an interview after the match. He admitted Cathal Shine's conditioning isn't up to the standard required so wasn't picked.
And he even managed to rubbish Sligo in his darkest hour in that interview. Weird how he's so obsessed with us given how useless he believes we are. That batin in 2000 must still hurt. We were lucky of course.....
Your own Eamonn O'Hara is obsessed with Roscommon and always needs to throw in a dig at them no matter what the media gig