The Palestine thread

[seafoid]

http://electronicintifada.net/content/gaza-needs-more-condemnation/13594

"The urgent question facing us in Gaza is not just how to survive for today, but how to hold Israel accountable to international law and basic principles of human rights; how to stop the current escalation and the ongoing massacre and how to stop this from ever happening again.

Knowing that the credible Goldstone report on suspected war crimes in Gaza in 2008-09, and reports by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch are all ignored or undermined, there is a bitter awareness that we in Gaza can have no expectation of Israeli accountability for the current onslaught. But this is in the short term only — in the long term, we know that Israel will have to answer to its oppression of Palestinians because this oppression will end one day. History will have it no other way.

What Palestine needs from the world today is not just a condemnation of the Gaza massacres and siege, but also a delegitimization of the ideology that produced this policy and justifies it morally and politically, just as the racist ideology of apartheid was delegitimized."

[LeoMc]

It's the expectation that Israel can use the sympathy derived from the Holocaust to persecute the Palestinians. And anyone who disagrees is an anti Semite.   

As if emulating the Nazis is somehow Jewish.

Did you see where the 2 Jews wearing Nazi t-shirts attacked an anti-war rally in Tel Aviv!

[DoireGael]

I always believed that in the 70's UN troops should have been placed on the ground in the 6 counties. I know this was put forward (with some involvement from the late Ted Kennedy) but vetoed by the British on the security council.

I presume that the Israels have also playing the domestic policy card? Has there ever been an attempt to put UN troops on the ground there. Apologies for my ignorance.

[seafoid]

This is self defence . Get a chair out and watch the carnage.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/15/world/middleeast/israelis-watch-bombs-drop-on-gaza-from-front-row-seats.html?_r=0

It's not a whole heap different from people on this side of the planet, with little understanding of the facts or issues,  taking sides in the dispute and getting outraged on behalf of one side or the other, like spectators at a Celtic v Rangers match.

Sport is different. It has rules. Nobody dies.

[rossiewanderer]

Hamas use woman and children as human shields.The civilian death toll they are engineering is
part of a grotesque tactical play to garner international intervention(which will never happen) and to provoke a reaction from the murderously out of control Muslim world.
  Hamas have the blood of their own people on their hands.

  Israel has the right to defend herself.

Must try harder.

Next.


Its an opinion not an Arts exam in College.Because it differs from yours and many others on this board you and Muppets revert to inane asides.Can you research ISIS and their ideology and beliefs
and see how it differs from Hamas since you are in exam mode and obviously have time on your hands like many of your ilk.

[seafoid]

Hamas use woman and children as human shields.The civilian death toll they are engineering is
part of a grotesque tactical play to garner international intervention(which will never happen) and to provoke a reaction from the murderously out of control Muslim world.
  Hamas have the blood of their own people on their hands.

  Israel has the right to defend herself.

Must try harder.

Next.


Its an opinion not an Arts exam in College.Because it differs from yours and many others on this board you and Muppets revert to inane asides.Can you research ISIS and their ideology and beliefs
and see how it differs from Hamas since you are in exam mode and obviously have time on your hands like many of your ilk.

Hamas doesn't crucify anyone, it doesn't amputate hands, it isn't a Saudi puppet.

Can you explain to us how Israel is going to run apartheid successfully for the next 20 years ?  (10 marks) 

[Rossie11]

Hamas use woman and children as human shields.The civilian death toll they are engineering is
part of a grotesque tactical play to garner international intervention(which will never happen) and to provoke a reaction from the murderously out of control Muslim world.
  Hamas have the blood of their own people on their hands.

  Israel has the right to defend herself.

Must try harder.

Next.


Its an opinion not an Arts exam in College.Because it differs from yours and many others on this board you and Muppets revert to inane asides.Can you research ISIS and their ideology and beliefs
and see how it differs from Hamas since you are in exam mode and obviously have time on your hands like many of your ilk.

Israels tactic is "we will suppress, isolate and starve you and when you attack us with rockets we will carpet bomb you"
Its totally disproportionate.

Nobody on here is supporting Hamas/ISIS or any other terrorist group
Israel have persecuted a people in the hope that they will turn against and give up the troublemakers.
Instead it is doing the opposite and normal Palestinians are joining Hamas in their hundreds to "protect" their country/families
Its happens the world over

No right thinking person cannot but feel sorry for the normal Palestinian person who is caught up in this with no hope for the future.

[Rossfan]

The Israelis and other oppressors never learn do they?
They should read up on 1916 and the effect the Executions had on the Irish people.

[EC Unique]

Seems hospitals are now legitimate targets

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28399292

[seafoid]

A lot of the images from Gaza are being seen by Americans and especially online.
It's hard to see Israel keeping the status quo going when people know how it operates.

[seafoid]

It's the expectation that Israel can use the sympathy derived from the Holocaust to persecute the Palestinians. And anyone who disagrees is an anti Semite.   

As if emulating the Nazis is somehow Jewish.

No, it is the expectation that justifiable sympathy for the Palestinian should not be used to perpetuate a second holocaust. Apparently anyone who disagrees is a Zionist.

there isn't going to be a second Holocaust

1. International law
2 Jews are not going to walk into ovens like they did in the 40s

Franz Stangl ran Treblinka and once said of his prisoners
"They were so weak; they allowed everything to happen, to be done to them. They were people with whom there was no common ground, no possibility of communication — that is how contempt is born. I could never understand how they could just give in as they did."

3. Jewish leaders are not going to shaft their people again
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/dec/05/defense-jewish-collaborator/

Using the imaginary risk of a second holocaust to stand with Israel while it desecrates Gaza is the behavior of a troll.   

[whitey]

A lot of the images from Gaza are being seen by Americans and especially online.
It's hard to see Israel keeping the status quo going when people know how it operates.

Seafoid....I think you're spot on.  The left wing of the Democratic party have no appetite for pumping Billions of Dollars into Israel when theres real humanitarian work to be done else where in the world. (Check out George Soros relationship with Israel-hes been their biggest donor over the past decade)

The Republicans (of which I am a very moderate one) are so fvckin aggravated at the way the US Jewish population constantly fund and vote Democrat are losing patience very quickly.....(especially when we see some Jewish Hollywood mogul host yet another fundraiser for Obama).  Ive spoken to several like minded folks who now are of the opinion that if thats who they want to support.....let them own it

[Mike Sheehy]

It's the expectation that Israel can use the sympathy derived from the Holocaust to persecute the Palestinians. And anyone who disagrees is an anti Semite.   

As if emulating the Nazis is somehow Jewish.

No, it is the expectation that justifiable sympathy for the Palestinian should not be used to perpetuate a second holocaust. Apparently anyone who disagrees is a Zionist.

there isn't going to be a second Holocaust

1. International law
2 Jews are not going to walk into ovens like they did in the 40s

Franz Stangl ran Treblinka and once said of his prisoners
"They were so weak; they allowed everything to happen, to be done to them. They were people with whom there was no common ground, no possibility of communication — that is how contempt is born. I could never understand how they could just give in as they did."

3. Jewish leaders are not going to shaft their people again
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/dec/05/defense-jewish-collaborator/

Using the imaginary risk of a second holocaust to stand with Israel while it desecrates Gaza is the behavior of a troll.

So you call for the destruction of Israel and you think jews don't belong in Palestine and you expect anyone to believe your assurances ?

You are a lying anti-Semite.

[Mike Sheehy]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28402882

yeah..sure, there is no anti-Semitism , it cant happen again.....

[fearbrags]

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/war-crime-video-shows-sniper-killing-wounded-gaza-civilian