Is this excercise not just a waste of time at this stage.....
Mayo go over it costs them a fortune the players have a few beers ...Hammer a New York team who don't even go into the back door draw then.....
What if they won a game what would happen then !Is stupid and pointless!
Scrap!
A piss up?
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 16, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Is this excercise not just a waste of time at this stage.....
Mayo go over it costs them a fortune the players have a few beers ...Hammer a New York team who don't even go into the back door draw then.....
What if they won a game what would happen then !Is stupid and pointless!
Scrap!
Subsidised by Croke Park, or was when NY played in the now defunct Ulster Hurling Championship.
Bit of PR and craic.
Good question. We have the bones of an excellent All-Ireland championship structure with 32 teams including London (which isn't so ridiculous in terms of travel time and at least stands a fighting chance of winning games).
Let New York play an exhibition match every year if its a good moneyspinner. Maybe people in the states then can watch them get hammered by Tyrone or Dublin instead of Mayo and Roscommon for change, although if it was non-competitive, counties might decide to fly a weaker team out and it might be more of acontest, with some younger player to watch out for or some older names to bring a bit of star quality and brand recognition.
One thing which another of those weird GAA anachronisms is that New York is far from the only city in the US with a GAA community and sufficient clubs to sustain a quasi-County structure. Is it not unfair that NY field a team in the all-Ireland championship, while Chicago, Boston, San Fran, Toronto etc. don't have the opportunity?
I'd imagine the cost of one county team over a year subsidised is a small price to pay for the goodwill and thereafter cash the American 'market' brings the GAA.
If they didn't send a team over every now and then you'd imagine the cash would dry up.
Personally think New York should be rotated into different provinces though for the sake of variety. But in a sporting sense...they probably bring not a great deal bar the piss up as prior mentioned.
It gets Marty Morrissey yet another holiday
New York is hardly the biggest problem facing the championship
I have gone to see London playing in Ruislip a few times in May/early June and the arrival of the GAA bandwagon with the championship is very appreciated by local Gaels.
Last three years
2016: New York 0-17 Roscommon 1-15, Gaelic Park, NY [6]
2017: New York 1-13 Sligo 1-21 , Gaelic Park, NY.
2018: New York 1-15 Leitrim 0-19, Gaelic Park, NY.
So have been competitive lately.
Also, Irish American lads are starting to come through and have played in these matches. So just when all the youth development work seems to be coming through, People think now is a good time to stop playing championship against Irish opposition????
Quote from: Kickham csc on April 16, 2019, 01:18:57 PM
Last three years
2016: New York 0-17 Roscommon 1-15, Gaelic Park, NY [6]
2017: New York 1-13 Sligo 1-21 , Gaelic Park, NY.
2018: New York 1-15 Leitrim 0-19, Gaelic Park, NY.
So have been competitive lately.
Also, Irish American lads are starting to come through and have played in these matches. So just when all the youth development work seems to be coming through, People think now is a good time to stop playing championship against Irish opposition????
It's actually a great championship day out and I somewhat envy counties outside Connacht that they don't get to experience it. Gaelic Park in the Bronx is a relic of bygone days - somewhat of a shithole really - although God be with the days when Dermot Early had to prevent a diplomatic incident after some traveling Irish players complained about the state of the ground, John Kerry O'Donnell was incensed, threatened to cancel the exhibition game, and Dermot had to appease him by telling him what a fine stadium it was. It's a good day out for the supporters who travel, drinking beer, eating very "well done" burgers, and enjoying some "dacent" football. Must say was very uncomfortable at the 2016 game, which was a cold bitter day in New York and they should have beaten us, what was then a Div 1 Roscommon team. One of these days a shock will happen. Not this year, however.
Stupid and Pointless ?
Maybe your Q should be,
"What has the NY GAA done for Irish immigrants over the decades" ?
To start with, if you go back a generation, most tickets to NY were one way, in fact, I would say that was the case up until the late 80's, when you probably went back home once every two or three years, because you either could not afford to, or you status did not exactly encourage it.
In those days, Gaelic Park in NY was the place that you inevitably ended up on a Sunday, to meet people from home, to get a game of football, to get a job, a girls phone number, It was essiantially an unofficail social center for Irish people.
This was the pre cell phones, pre social media, you would just show up, and meet hundreds of other recent immigrants in a similar situation, often homesick and insecure, financially or otherwise. You made friends, in some cases lifelong friends from counties you never even visited living in Ireland. A trip there on a Sunday was in a way like therapy.
Even in recent decades, It has helped employ thousands of summer students in jobs they may not have gotten only for GAA connections.
There was also was a time before the Celtic tiger, that being asked to go to NY and play with a club team there was a bit of an honor.
So without turning this into an article on the social aspect of it all, it is a small price to pay by the GAA in Ireland to help cover the cost of a trip by county teams to play NY.
It still is a wonderful day out, and in a lot of cases due to marriage, family, kids, people not living in the immeadiate area, it is the only day to meet people you played with, hung out with and helped to promote Gaelic games in NY.
Will a NY team ever beat a team from Ireland. They came so close last year, but in reality the answer is probably no.
But the first Sunday in May in Gaelic Park is about a lot more than a Gaelic football match, It is a testament to survival, the survival of Immigrants, the survival and promotion of Gaelic games and Gaelic culture in NY. Long may it continue.
Given that there will be between 5-10,000 of us Mayo folk travelling out for this (there seems to be way way more than any other trip i can recall), then could we arrange for say 6pm on the Saturday evening in Times Square for a good aul blast out of 'Green and Red of Mayo' ?!! :P
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 16, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Is this excercise not just a waste of time at this stage.....
Mayo go over it costs them a fortune the players have a few beers ...Hammer a New York team who don't even go into the back door draw then.....
What if they won a game what would happen then !Is stupid and pointless!
Scrap!
Mayo could also make a fortune on this trip just look at recent money Kerry made on their trip to the US. If New York ever won they would have to travel to Ireland for their 2nd game. Highly unlikely to be even competitive against the NFL champions this year and I can imagine calls to scrap this game will be repeated plentiful.
Quote from: Unlaoised on April 16, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Is this excercise not just a waste of time at this stage.....
Mayo go over it costs them a fortune the players have a few beers ...Hammer a New York team who don't even go into the back door draw then.....
What if they won a game what would happen then !Is stupid and pointless!
Scrap!
its essential that it continues because the gaa is more about community than football
remember heading to the states for a summer in the late 80s,, phone call home was simple if I played some ball I would have a job.
for me I would love the new York game to be passed around the provinces as would be brilliant to watch the orchard playing there
gaa in the states is important to a lot of ex pats,
be it in phillie, boston, new York or san Francisco,
sometimes we lose the run of ourselves over here so its great to head to the US to see how important the gaa still is in these areas.
look at the amount of teams that play in the USA.
A few of us were discussing that a while back that it would be nice if they could move it around and let other counties get the chance to go out there for a weekend.
Imagine if they decided to hold a B championship final out there. That would motivate a few players and managers to play at that level.
Every year I'm hoping even for a spin over to play London.
I'd say the Connacht Counties would live to see this game rotated among the other 26 Counties.
Once every 31 years would be just grand.
Yeah I agree. NY should be drawn randomly in the c'ahip One year, Cork, maybe next year Derry. Would be good for respective Gael's in NY to see their county in action.
Why doesn't London get the chance to play New York in the Connacht championship?
What do Laois bring to the championship? What do half the counties in the country bring to it.
Honestly with the football these days I ask that question a lot of my own county :(
Lets go New York, lets go!!
Quote from: joemamas on April 16, 2019, 02:13:03 PM
Stupid and Pointless ?
Maybe your Q should be,
"What has the NY GAA done for Irish immigrants over the decades" ?
To start with, if you go back a generation, most tickets to NY were one way, in fact, I would say that was the case up until the late 80's, when you probably went back home once every two or three years, because you either could not afford to, or you status did not exactly encourage it.
In those days, Gaelic Park in NY was the place that you inevitably ended up on a Sunday, to meet people from home, to get a game of football, to get a job, a girls phone number, It was essiantially an unofficail social center for Irish people.
This was the pre cell phones, pre social media, you would just show up, and meet hundreds of other recent immigrants in a similar situation, often homesick and insecure, financially or otherwise. You made friends, in some cases lifelong friends from counties you never even visited living in Ireland. A trip there on a Sunday was in a way like therapy.
Even in recent decades, It has helped employ thousands of summer students in jobs they may not have gotten only for GAA connections.
There was also was a time before the Celtic tiger, that being asked to go to NY and play with a club team there was a bit of an honor.
So without turning this into an article on the social aspect of it all, it is a small price to pay by the GAA in Ireland to help cover the cost of a trip by county teams to play NY.
It still is a wonderful day out, and in a lot of cases due to marriage, family, kids, people not living in the immeadiate area, it is the only day to meet people you played with, hung out with and helped to promote Gaelic games in NY.
Will a NY team ever beat a team from Ireland. They came so close last year, but in reality the answer is probably no.
But the first Sunday in May in Gaelic Park is about a lot more than a Gaelic football match, It is a testament to survival, the survival of Immigrants, the survival and promotion of Gaelic games and Gaelic culture in NY. Long may it continue.
Superb post, Joe.
Quote from: joemamas on April 16, 2019, 02:13:03 PM
Stupid and Pointless ?
Maybe your Q should be,
"What has the NY GAA done for Irish immigrants over the decades" ?
To start with, if you go back a generation, most tickets to NY were one way, in fact, I would say that was the case up until the late 80's, when you probably went back home once every two or three years, because you either could not afford to, or you status did not exactly encourage it.
In those days, Gaelic Park in NY was the place that you inevitably ended up on a Sunday, to meet people from home, to get a game of football, to get a job, a girls phone number, It was essiantially an unofficail social center for Irish people.
This was the pre cell phones, pre social media, you would just show up, and meet hundreds of other recent immigrants in a similar situation, often homesick and insecure, financially or otherwise. You made friends, in some cases lifelong friends from counties you never even visited living in Ireland. A trip there on a Sunday was in a way like therapy.
Even in recent decades, It has helped employ thousands of summer students in jobs they may not have gotten only for GAA connections.
There was also was a time before the Celtic tiger, that being asked to go to NY and play with a club team there was a bit of an honor.
So without turning this into an article on the social aspect of it all, it is a small price to pay by the GAA in Ireland to help cover the cost of a trip by county teams to play NY.
It still is a wonderful day out, and in a lot of cases due to marriage, family, kids, people not living in the immeadiate area, it is the only day to meet people you played with, hung out with and helped to promote Gaelic games in NY.
Will a NY team ever beat a team from Ireland. They came so close last year, but in reality the answer is probably no.
But the first Sunday in May in Gaelic Park is about a lot more than a Gaelic football match, It is a testament to survival, the survival of Immigrants, the survival and promotion of Gaelic games and Gaelic culture in NY. Long may it continue.
Very well put.
Quote from: Itchy on April 16, 2019, 08:35:35 PM
What do Laois bring to the championship? What do half the counties in the country bring to it.
Unpleasant as they may be, Laois is in fact actually in Ireland.
Quote from: joemamas on April 16, 2019, 02:13:03 PM
Stupid and Pointless ?
Maybe your Q should be,
"What has the NY GAA done for Irish immigrants over the decades" ?
To start with, if you go back a generation, most tickets to NY were one way, in fact, I would say that was the case up until the late 80's, when you probably went back home once every two or three years, because you either could not afford to, or you status did not exactly encourage it.
In those days, Gaelic Park in NY was the place that you inevitably ended up on a Sunday, to meet people from home, to get a game of football, to get a job, a girls phone number, It was essiantially an unofficail social center for Irish people.
This was the pre cell phones, pre social media, you would just show up, and meet hundreds of other recent immigrants in a similar situation, often homesick and insecure, financially or otherwise. You made friends, in some cases lifelong friends from counties you never even visited living in Ireland. A trip there on a Sunday was in a way like therapy.
Even in recent decades, It has helped employ thousands of summer students in jobs they may not have gotten only for GAA connections.
There was also was a time before the Celtic tiger, that being asked to go to NY and play with a club team there was a bit of an honor.
So without turning this into an article on the social aspect of it all, it is a small price to pay by the GAA in Ireland to help cover the cost of a trip by county teams to play NY.
It still is a wonderful day out, and in a lot of cases due to marriage, family, kids, people not living in the immeadiate area, it is the only day to meet people you played with, hung out with and helped to promote Gaelic games in NY.
Will a NY team ever beat a team from Ireland. They came so close last year, but in reality the answer is probably no.
But the first Sunday in May in Gaelic Park is about a lot more than a Gaelic football match, It is a testament to survival, the survival of Immigrants, the survival and promotion of Gaelic games and Gaelic culture in NY. Long may it continue.
Hard to disagree with much of that; however, the reports of big dough to attract over players in the summertime is not in keeping with the rules. Neither also is the payment of managers, but the GAA has a tremendous ability to turn a blind eye to these indiscretions. The reports of young county players from weaker counties, queuing up for the plane to NYC as soon as they are dumped out of the provincial championship (or going before the championship even begins) is hardly edifying.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 17, 2019, 01:23:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 16, 2019, 08:35:35 PM
What do Laois bring to the championship? What do half the counties in the country bring to it.
Unpleasant as they may be, Laois is in fact actually in Ireland.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Now the topic is "What do New York bring to the championship"
It made not comment on what country New York is in and what that has to do with anything I am not sure.
How many years since Armagh have last won an Ulster Championship game? Or Antrim?
Quote from: bogball88 on April 17, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
How many years since Armagh have last won an Ulster Championship game? Or Antrim?
Armagh 2014, Antrim 2009.
Quote from: BennyCake on April 17, 2019, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on April 17, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
How many years since Armagh have last won an Ulster Championship game? Or Antrim?
Armagh 2014, Antrim 2009.
That is shocking re Armagh
I wonder how much more time Geezer will get.
The obvious answer is that Connacht is a small province and without NY and London would be even more horribly lopsided than Leinster
Quote from: thewobbler on April 17, 2019, 05:27:29 PM
The obvious answer is that Connacht is a small province and without NY and London would be even more horribly lopsided than Leinster
Connacht has 3 decent teams unlike Leinster
Exactly Seaf and we take Gaelic games (one of them anyway) seriously unlike rich well heeled well populated Leinster.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 17, 2019, 05:27:29 PM
The obvious answer is that Connacht is a small province and without NY and London would be even more horribly lopsided than Leinster
And without them makes it less lopsided? Mayo and Galway will continue to hoover up Connacht titles as they have done for over 100 years. Whenever Ros are strong, they'll get most of the rest. Unfortunately for the other two counties, at least one of the three are usually stronger than them.
Quote from: seafoid on April 17, 2019, 04:58:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 17, 2019, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on April 17, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
How many years since Armagh have last won an Ulster Championship game? Or Antrim?
Armagh 2014, Antrim 2009.
That is shocking re Armagh
I wonder how much more time Geezer will get.
Yes it's poor but we got Donegal in 15, Cavan away in 16. Kick of a ball between us and Down in 17, and Fermanagh in 18, less said the better.
We have to be looking at reaching an Ulster final this year. Anything else and Geezer is gone.
Quote from: BennyCake on April 17, 2019, 07:49:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 17, 2019, 04:58:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 17, 2019, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on April 17, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
How many years since Armagh have last won an Ulster Championship game? Or Antrim?
Armagh 2014, Antrim 2009.
That is shocking re Armagh
I wonder how much more time Geezer will get.
Yes it's poor but we got Donegal in 15, Cavan away in 16. Kick of a ball between us and Down in 17, and Fermanagh in 18, less said the better.
We have to be looking at reaching an Ulster final this year. Anything else and Geezer is gone.
But if ye haven't won an Ulster match since 2014 a final this year is a big ask
Quote from: seafoid on April 18, 2019, 11:09:49 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 17, 2019, 07:49:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 17, 2019, 04:58:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 17, 2019, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on April 17, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
How many years since Armagh have last won an Ulster Championship game? Or Antrim?
Armagh 2014, Antrim 2009.
That is shocking re Armagh
I wonder how much more time Geezer will get.
Yes it's poor but we got Donegal in 15, Cavan away in 16. Kick of a ball between us and Down in 17, and Fermanagh in 18, less said the better.
We have to be looking at reaching an Ulster final this year. Anything else and Geezer is gone.
But if ye haven't won an Ulster match since 2014 a final this year is a big ask
Yes but we are similar level to Down. And probably Monaghan next. Fermanagh beat them last year so who knows? Anyway, I'm not saying we can win Ulster, but we would do well in getting there.
Quote from: seafoid on April 17, 2019, 05:28:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 17, 2019, 05:27:29 PM
The obvious answer is that Connacht is a small province and without NY and London would be even more horribly lopsided than Leinster
Connacht has 3 decent teams unlike Leinster
Roscommon are at the same level as Kildare and Meath. Leitrim are a level below Laois, Longford , Westmeath and Offaly.
Connacht has a good Mayo team and a solid Galway team. Leinster has the greatest team of all time, that's why it's so lopsided, remove the dopers and you have a great championship. They would have any decimated any of the provincial championships in the last 10 years.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 18, 2019, 12:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 17, 2019, 05:28:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 17, 2019, 05:27:29 PM
The obvious answer is that Connacht is a small province and without NY and London would be even more horribly lopsided than Leinster
Connacht has 3 decent teams unlike Leinster
Roscommon are at the same level as Kildare and Meath. Leitrim are a level below Laois, Longford , Westmeath and Offaly.
Connacht has a good Mayo team and a solid Galway team. Leinster has the greatest team of all time, that's why it's so lopsided, remove the dopers and you have a great championship. They would have any decimated any of the provincial championships in the last 10 years.
Mayo might have given them a game, but I see where you're coming from. At least there was a bit of momentum getting to the finals and semis they played. That momentum isn't there after winning one game and facing the behemoth.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 18, 2019, 12:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 17, 2019, 05:28:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 17, 2019, 05:27:29 PM
The obvious answer is that Connacht is a small province and without NY and London would be even more horribly lopsided than Leinster
Connacht has 3 decent teams unlike Leinster
Roscommon are at the same level as Kildare and Meath. Leitrim are a level below Laois, Longford , Westmeath and Offaly.
Connacht has a good Mayo team and a solid Galway team. Leinster has the greatest team of all time, that's why it's so lopsided, remove the dopers and you have a great championship. They would have any decimated any of the provincial championships in the last 10 years.
The Dubs have ruined Leinster
Galway, Ros and Mayo have all won Connacht in the last 4 years. A normal Leinster championship would have that kind of variety as well eg 95-98
Maybe when the empire collapses.
New York bring a Junket. And in Ireland if there's one thing we loves it's a good old Junket.
How dare you imply that the Permanent and Voluntary officers of Cómhairle Chonnacht who have to go to NY and London every year are on a junket!!
It's tough work and someone has to do it ;D
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 18, 2019, 12:34:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 17, 2019, 05:28:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 17, 2019, 05:27:29 PM
The obvious answer is that Connacht is a small province and without NY and London would be even more horribly lopsided than Leinster
Connacht has 3 decent teams unlike Leinster
Roscommon are at the same level as Kildare and Meath. Leitrim are a level below Laois, Longford , Westmeath and Offaly.
Connacht has a good Mayo team and a solid Galway team. Leinster has the greatest team of all time, that's why it's so lopsided, remove the dopers and you have a great championship. They would have any decimated any of the provincial championships in the last 10 years.
Is that not part of the problem in Leinster? Kildare,Meath with their pick,resources and in Meath's case tradition of hard to beat and All Ireland titles in the late 90s should be a level above Roscommon.
2005 to 2012 Dublin were good but not great and they won all bar 1 Leinster senior title. Is there glimmer of hope for more competitive Leinster championship in the years ahead? looking at underage the last few years Meath and Kildare are not letting Dublin have it all their own way.
Quote from: sekibanki on April 16, 2019, 12:33:47 PM
Good question. We have the bones of an excellent All-Ireland championship structure with 32 teams including London (which isn't so ridiculous in terms of travel time and at least stands a fighting chance of winning games).
Let New York play an exhibition match every year if its a good moneyspinner. Maybe people in the states then can watch them get hammered by Tyrone or Dublin instead of Mayo and Roscommon for change, although if it was non-competitive, counties might decide to fly a weaker team out and it might be more of acontest, with some younger player to watch out for or some older names to bring a bit of star quality and brand recognition.
One thing which another of those weird GAA anachronisms is that New York is far from the only city in the US with a GAA community and sufficient clubs to sustain a quasi-County structure. Is it not unfair that NY field a team in the all-Ireland championship, while Chicago, Boston, San Fran, Toronto etc. don't have the opportunity?
A US round robin competition to qualify ?
Quote from: BennyCake on April 17, 2019, 07:49:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 17, 2019, 04:58:55 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 17, 2019, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: bogball88 on April 17, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
How many years since Armagh have last won an Ulster Championship game? Or Antrim?
Armagh 2014, Antrim 2009.
That is shocking re Armagh
I wonder how much more time Geezer will get.
Yes it's poor but we got Donegal in 15, Cavan away in 16. Kick of a ball between us and Down in 17, and Fermanagh in 18, less said the better.
We have to be looking at reaching an Ulster final this year. Anything else and Geezer is gone.
Unfortunately I doubt that's even close to true and isn't helped by the county board chairman's comments before a ball is even kicked.
https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/297887
main thing they are bringing this year is an early season ticket famine