looks like the chairwoman is moving to get rid of harte under instruction from the money men
Bullshit and I don't see why people are reading so much into it harte will be appointed for at least another year and rightly so.
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Won't happen though Tyrone's 'great' year being somewhat overcooked. Relegation and haven't beaten a top team now (Mayo-Dublin-Cork-Kerry-Donegal) in championship since 2008.
Bullshit, the sentiment for change of manager is strong enough and gathering momemtum but pressure not coming from the sponsors. Different agendas but entirely football related. Harte will be reappointed on a 2 year term, he has just enough support
It would seem ridiculous to get rid of him now, unlike in 2013 when they made a SF, there seems to have been progress this year imo
In 2013 there wasn't really a willing successor. Could be that a lot of progress/optimism this year is down to the U21 influence...
Quote from: longballin on September 02, 2015, 02:02:23 PM
Won't happen though Tyrone's 'great' year being somewhat overcooked. Relegation and haven't beaten a top team now (Mayo-Dublin-Cork-Kerry-Donegal) in championship since 2008.
Cork aren't in that axis and never really were.
Quote from: Rois on September 02, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
In 2013 there wasn't really a willing successor. Could be that a lot of progress/optimism this year is down to the U21 influence...
I can't see Canavan and Dooher being part of a management that unplaces Mickey against his will. Anyway, I can't see Peter giving up his handy number with Sky just yet. Two years more with the U21s and Mickey by then will most likely be ready to hand over. If the U21 management team aren't in the frame this year then there is no realistic alternative to Mickey. Anyway, he's done more than enough this year to deserve a another year at the very least.
Surely the very fact that the most obvious replacements, Canavan, Logan and Dooher, are staying with the U21s, guarantees that Mickey will serve another term?
That fact that he has just enough support as suggested baffles me, the man took an average enough side to the cusp of the AIF a few weeks ago, what more has he to do for you lot???
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Won't happen though Tyrone's 'great' year being somewhat overcooked. Relegation and haven't beaten a top team now (Mayo-Dublin-Cork-Kerry-Donegal) in championship since 2008.
Cork aren't in that axis and never really were.
Errrrr y'eejiteen..... Who won Sam 2010??
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Won't happen though Tyrone's 'great' year being somewhat overcooked. Relegation and haven't beaten a top team now (Mayo-Dublin-Cork-Kerry-Donegal) in championship since 2008.
Cork aren't in that axis and never really were.
Errrrr y'eejiteen..... Who won Sam 2010??
Who did they beat to get there? No Munster, we were game but always gonig to be overmatched. Then Dublin before they started winning and Down of all teams in the AI final. It was a dream run for Cork, never having to confront the bogeymen that were/are their neighbours. Cork under Counihan and Cuthbert have been anything but fearsome.
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Won't happen though Tyrone's 'great' year being somewhat overcooked. Relegation and haven't beaten a top team now (Mayo-Dublin-Cork-Kerry-Donegal) in championship since 2008.
Cork aren't in that axis and never really were.
Errrrr y'eejiteen..... Who won Sam 2010??
Who did they beat to get there? No Munster, we were game but always gonig to be overmatched. Then Dublin before they started winning and Down of all teams in the AI final. It was a dream run for Cork, never having to confront the bogeymen that were/are their neighbours. Cork under Counihan and Cuthbert have been anything but fearsome.
You've an awful habit of under evaluating teams Syf. Kerry weren't going to be within as asses roar of an All Ireland for years, as recently as last year, according to your good self.
I think Cork have underachieved under a couple of managers, but they did win an All Ireland and it's crazy to say they weren't among the top teams for at least a couple of years. They have a brain fart about Kerry in Croker, or had in the late 00s at least, but they were still the 2nd or 3rd best team in Ireland around then.
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Won't happen though Tyrone's 'great' year being somewhat overcooked. Relegation and haven't beaten a top team now (Mayo-Dublin-Cork-Kerry-Donegal) in championship since 2008.
Cork aren't in that axis and never really were.
Errrrr y'eejiteen..... Who won Sam 2010??
Who did they beat to get there? No Munster, we were game but always gonig to be overmatched. Then Dublin before they started winning and Down of all teams in the AI final. It was a dream run for Cork, never having to confront the bogeymen that were/are their neighbours. Cork under Counihan and Cuthbert have been anything but fearsome.
Once again Syferus you are really making a point which is utterly relevant to the theme of the thread. Thanks for your input.
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Won't happen though Tyrone's 'great' year being somewhat overcooked. Relegation and haven't beaten a top team now (Mayo-Dublin-Cork-Kerry-Donegal) in championship since 2008.
Cork aren't in that axis and never really were.
Errrrr y'eejiteen..... Who won Sam 2010??
Who did they beat to get there? No Munster, we were game but always gonig to be overmatched. Then Dublin before they started winning and Down of all teams in the AI final. It was a dream run for Cork, never having to confront the bogeymen that were/are their neighbours. Cork under Counihan and Cuthbert have been anything but fearsome.
Once again Syferus you are really making a point which is utterly relevant to the theme of the thread. Thanks for your input.
..responding to something someone else said.
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Quote from: longballin on September 02, 2015, 02:02:23 PM
Won't happen though Tyrone's 'great' year being somewhat overcooked. Relegation and haven't beaten a top team now (Mayo-Dublin-Cork-Kerry-Donegal) in championship since 2008.
Cork aren't in that axis and never really were.
Errrrr y'eejiteen..... Who won Sam 2010??
Who did they beat to get there? No Munster, we were game but always gonig to be overmatched. Then Dublin before they started winning and Down of all teams in the AI final. It was a dream run for Cork, never having to confront the bogeymen that were/are their neighbours. Cork under Counihan and Cuthbert have been anything but fearsome.
Once again Syferus you are really making a point which is utterly relevant to the theme of the thread. Thanks for your input.
..responding to something someone else said.
Yes, whether Cork are a big team is definitely the point to pick on in this thread...
It's going the way of Meath under Sean Boylan. No one will want to be the one to challenge Harte while he still wants the job. Would be silly to remove him after the run to the semis. Will be interesting next year to see how Tyrone do - usually seem to follow a good year with a dip the following one.
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Quote from: longballin on September 02, 2015, 02:02:23 PM
Won't happen though Tyrone's 'great' year being somewhat overcooked. Relegation and haven't beaten a top team now (Mayo-Dublin-Cork-Kerry-Donegal) in championship since 2008.
Cork aren't in that axis and never really were.
Errrrr y'eejiteen..... Who won Sam 2010??
Who did they beat to get there? No Munster, we were game but always gonig to be overmatched. Then Dublin before they started winning and Down of all teams in the AI final. It was a dream run for Cork, never having to confront the bogeymen that were/are their neighbours. Cork under Counihan and Cuthbert have been anything but fearsome.
You've an awful habit of under evaluating teams Syf. Kerry weren't going to be within as asses roar of an All Ireland for years, as recently as last year, according to your good self.
I think Cork have underachieved under a couple of managers, but they did win an All Ireland and it's crazy to say they weren't among the top teams for at least a couple of years. They have a brain fart about Kerry in Croker, or had in the late 00s at least, but they were still the 2nd or 3rd best team in Ireland around then.
Not to mention winning the league 3 years in a row...
Art McRory's the man. He'll being back the glory days.
No major trophies in five years,shite style of football,more petulant than Mourinho....time is definitely up.
If I was Harte I would quit now. A good portion of the county want rid of him, some players appear to not want to play for the county with him as manager - opinion and no proof before I get lambasted. On top of that they have had a fairly good year. Hand over the reigns now and when things go south they may well come back looking you in a few years.
Quote from: Throw ball on September 02, 2015, 06:23:12 PM
If I was Harte I would quit now. A good portion of the county want rid of him, some players appear to not want to play for the county with him as manager - opinion and no proof before I get lambasted.
What appears to you to be the case, isn't actually the case (re certain players not wanting to play for him as manager).
Just saw Person Specification for Tyrone Manager
Media Friendly
Atheist or at least agnostic
Either fully bearded or clean shaven,but no half way.
Must be able to win trophies in consecutive years.
Must have a sense of humour
Quote from: T Fearon on September 02, 2015, 06:48:32 PM
Just saw Person Specification for Tyrone Manager
Media Friendly
Atheist or at least agnostic
Either fully bearded or clean shaven,but no half way.
Must be able to win trophies in consecutive years.
Must have a sense of humour
That's you out of the running then.
How can the 8 McKenna Cup wins be dismissed as not a major trophy?
It's no National League Division 3 trophy which I'm sure is what the boul' Tone is referring to.
for the first time in the history of the world think i will have to agree with the man who started the thread from ardboe.
mickey harte is human lads like the rest of us hes passionate like the rest of us and like most tyrone men (im sure the southerners would agree) hes as stubborn as a blind mule on the edge of a cliff. for the players that he has at his disposal and the lack of proper investment in the squad thats required hes done a bloody good job this year. yes myself included have questioned his calls re tactics and the continued apparent favourtism of some players, but in general could you fault him in the bigger picture. ive changed my mind on him big time since last sunday week, im pissed that we cant beat donegal or a big 4 team or the blanket. but the more i think of it especially over the past few days with the way hes been treated the more i want to back him. club tyrone and garvaghey and their minnions are driving the current anti-mickey crusade and its not being done in terms of football its being done in terms of marketability re the rte impasse. our players are being treated like shit by the southern media and rte in particular. if our sponsors cant see fit to back our manager over something that is personal and demeaning then its time we found a sponsor who did. club tyrone cannot throw the baby even if he is 61 and has a beard out with very dirty bathwater.
we have an armagh chairperson ffs please do not allow a manager into this county who has not been to the coalface in a white jersey with that redhand on it, because that is what tyrone is all about. its not about grand meeting rooms and pressing flesh with the sharks of the business world its about football its about people and its about respect for one of your own. we have sold our soul do not humiliate one of our greatest football sons because we now think rte dont like us. f**k THEM.
That is without doubt the hardest post I've ever had to read in my life.
Quote from: ose 14 on September 02, 2015, 07:11:24 PM
for the first time in the history of the world think i will have to agree with the man who started the thread from ardboe.
mickey harte is human lads like the rest of us hes passionate like the rest of us and like most tyrone men (im sure the southerners would agree) hes as stubborn as a blind mule on the edge of a cliff. for the players that he has at his disposal and the lack of proper investment in the squad thats required hes done a bloody good job this year. yes myself included have questioned his calls re tactics and the continued apparent favourtism of some players, but in general could you fault him in the bigger picture. ive changed my mind on him big time since last sunday week, im pissed that we cant beat donegal or a big 4 team or the blanket. but the more i think of it especially over the past few days with the way hes been treated the more i want to back him. club tyrone and garvaghey and their minnions are driving the current anti-mickey crusade and its not being done in terms of football its being done in terms of marketability re the rte impasse. our players are being treated like shit by the southern media and rte in particular. if our sponsors cant see fit to back our manager over something that is personal and demeaning then its time we found a sponsor who did. club tyrone cannot throw the baby even if he is 61 and has a beard out with very dirty bathwater.
we have an armagh chairperson ffs please do not allow a manager into this county who has not been to the coalface in a white jersey with that redhand on it, because that is what tyrone is all about. its not about grand meeting rooms and pressing flesh with the sharks of the business world its about football its about people and its about respect for one of your own. we have sold our soul do not humiliate one of our greatest football sons because we now think rte dont like us. f**k THEM.
Whats that all about.
Mickeys has done a great job this year for sure. But he has also managed to alienate a lot of people both internal and external to the County and the media. I would like to see him continue on for another year but suspect the County chairwomans embaresment early in the year when she thought agreement had been reached over Mickeys RTE's no interviews policy Has not been forgotten.The chickens may be coming home to roost.
Mickey has made Tyrone the most unpopular county in Ireland and his legacy will be the title,puke football.Sad,but surely his time is up.
I hope the gobshites are stupid enough to put him out to pasture!
Quote from: T Fearon on September 02, 2015, 07:38:21 PM
Mickey has made Tyrone the most unpopular county in Ireland and his legacy will be the title,puke football.Sad,but surely his time is up.
If I was you I would worry more about were money bags might take Armagh over the next few years instead of worrying about Mickeys legacy of 3 All Ireland senior titles national league titles ulsters All Ireland U21 and minor titles. I think Mickeys achievements will stand the test of time. Money bags on the other hand may not.
The decision should boil down to the answer to one simple question. Is Mickey Harte the best man to take Tyrone Senior County football team in 2016?
The Sponsors, the County Chairperson's embarrassment earlier in the year, RTE, Southern Media etc should not come into it. I'd say for the vast majority of right thinking people, the answer to that question can only be yes.
There's a real sense that Tyrone are building again for a big push at the AI, if that is jeopardised by politics then some very serious questions will need to asked of those making the decisions.
Tyrone performed better in the semi final two years ago against Mayo but did nothing the following year.A change of direction is needed,which might sweep away the petulance,cynicism and boorishness with which Tyrone GAA has become synonymous.
Mickey should do what Jim Mc Corry did,walk away realising he's not wanted
Given the effort and success mickey Harte has brought to Tyrone he deserves better treatment than what currently is being given by the regime in the county board. Given the personal attacks by rte on him and subsequently some of our players I believe they deserve the right to choose whether to talk to rte. In an amateur sport it should not be a major factor in the decision of Tyrone management.
It's disappointing that by the sounds of it we have a chair who instead of backing out successful manager ever seems intent on making a name for herself and taking him on. Now that's based on what others are saying so I appreciate I could be wrong.
We've had a good summer and look in our best position going forward for years and I'd hate if that was jeopardised over some of field nonsense with rte who clearly have an agenda against the county anyway. I believe the current squad is also very much behind the management team which is a bigger factor than the sponsor.
Does anybody seriously think a management team containing Dooher and Canavan will suddenly improve Tyrones PR? If Tyrone get rid of Harte it couldn't possibly be for footballing reasons.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on September 02, 2015, 09:13:52 PM
Given the effort and success mickey Harte has brought to Tyrone he deserves better treatment than what currently is being given by the regime in the county board. Given the personal attacks by rte on him and subsequently some of our players I believe they deserve the right to choose whether to talk to rte. In an amateur sport it should not be a major factor in the decision of Tyrone management.
It's disappointing that by the sounds of it we have a chair who instead of backing out successful manager ever seems intent on making a name for herself and taking him on. Now that's based on what others are saying so I appreciate I could be wrong.
We've had a good summer and look in our best position going forward for years and I'd hate if that was jeopardised over some of field nonsense with rte who clearly have an agenda against the county anyway. I believe the current squad is also very much behind the management team which is a bigger factor than the sponsor.
Is there a major issue here because call me stupid but I'm not hearing any major issues except an organisational meeting. Huge overreaction and a lot of gossip mongers.
Harte needs to say. Jordan should pack her bags because she's not capable of making a decision for herself. Any of the Club Tyrone outfit that don't like it should go step away as well. This is all about trying to dictate the shots.
Micky owes Tyrone football nothing and has been a great manager,Micky has had to reinvent the team and style of plan a few times in his management years and yes a semi final place looked good this year but people need to remember Tyrone were relegated,beat in first round Ulster and then a handy enough passage to 1/4 finals were they beat a below par Monaghan team,maybe time is right for Micky to walk away with pride and his all Ireland triumphs fresh in Tyrone memories or possibly stay and have people thinking like Armagh were this year that last years run to 1/4 finals we were going to the promised land again with our chosen manager who has come in for a lot of stick within Armagh this year.
Tyrone football has benefited from the involvement of M Harte; has he benefited at all from all of this? Just asking!
Quote from: rootthemout on September 02, 2015, 10:00:00 PM
Micky owes Tyrone football nothing and has been a great manager,Micky has had to reinvent the team and style of plan a few times in his management years and yes a semi final place looked good this year but people need to remember Tyrone were relegated,beat in first round Ulster and then a handy enough passage to 1/4 finals were they beat a below par Monaghan team,maybe time is right for Micky to walk away with pride and his all Ireland triumphs fresh in Tyrone memories or possibly stay and have people thinking like Armagh were this year that last years run to 1/4 finals we were going to the promised land again with our chosen manager who has come in for a lot of stick within Armagh this year.
Agreed I've cursed him more then most. But the man is a genius- unfortunately the knives are out. Even great men are forced out by gobshites eventually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SXWX6qg0y4
No surprise here. Mickey offered one year (face saver) by county board. Mickey wants 3 years (Mickey being Mickey) stand off someone has to back down. My guess Mickey goes. Would love to see him in place next year. Another 3 don't know about that. If Tyrone don't progress next year and mickey is sitting on another 2 years civil war could break out in the bushes and that would be a long time sorting out. For the good of the county He should take 1 year extension renewable for 2nd & 3rd by mutual consent. Mickey is at the old sack him or back him stance. Is that in the interest of Tyrone football ?
Mickey has been very loyal to the best servants of Tyrone football (possibly to the detriment of his own success) in recent years and I believe that Tyrone should be loyal to Mickey, all-ireland or not. It would be nice to see that dignity still exists within the ruthless desire to achieve the ultimate goal. After this year, where we were within a flea's whisker of all ireland glory with an inexperienced team, surely we'll give the man another 3 years to at least give this team a chance to taste success?
Taking a step back, I think the offer of another year is fair. Looking at more that the last 6 weeks and looking at the last 5 years then things have a slightly different perspective. Tyrone have won nothing of note since 2010, when they won the Ulster championship, and haven't beaten one of the games powers since 2008. The 2014 season was an absolute shambles and the manager has to take a large portion of the blame for that. We were then relegated from Division 1 of the league at the beginning of this year.
In saying all that, this season was a lot more encouraging. The team was a lot more settled. It was better organised and they played to a system that the players believed in, something that had been missing in recent seasons. Young players were given extended runs in the side and the strength and conditioning area which had been belatedly addressed in the off season was starting to bear fruit. I'll give Mickey Harte plenty of credit for that.
If Mickey wants to stay on as manager he's got the option to stay on and build on the good work that was done this year. Should Tyrone produce another 2014 like shambles then the county board isn't tied into a longer deal. I think that's fair
Quote from: Whishtup on September 03, 2015, 12:26:56 AM
Mickey has been very loyal to the best servants of Tyrone football (possibly to the detriment of his own success) in recent years and I believe that Tyrone should be loyal to Mickey, all-ireland or not. It would be nice to see that dignity still exists within the ruthless desire to achieve the ultimate goal. After this year, where we were within a flea's whisker of all ireland glory with an inexperienced team, surely we'll give the man another 3 years to at least give this team a chance to taste success?
I have massive respect for Mickey and all he has achieved. However my loyalty is ultimately to the red hands and its future. I don't think it is best served by a stand off between our manager and the county board forcing GAA people to take sides. I believe Mickey should agree to a one year extension and then Peter and or Dooher taking over in year 2 with Mickey in an advisory role. I can't see logie being interested in taking the seniors. The only way Logan would take it is in the event of Mickey throwing the toys out and massive divisions ensuing. Logie is one of the few people in the county who is widely respected and could smooth the way for Peter/Brian to slip into it in a year or two without their loyalty to Mickey being questioned and avoid the knives in the back perceptions. I fear Mickey ain't the type to walk away from a fight.
So is this 1 yr v 3 yr thing the actual case? Or is there as much truth in it as the sponsor's demanding interviews?
If it is the case then the obvious solution would be a 2 yr contract...
However its Mickey Harte your dealing with, he created his own club instead of taking a suspension! Not a slight on the man, its more of a compliment actually, its shows that he will refuse to back down when faced with adversity and will seek a solution on his terms with the utmost conviction.
So in other words he's the kind of man you'd want managing you team
Anyway he'll probably get a deal that will suit him well, but it also wont do him any harm to know that there is people out there that aren't fully on board with him, as he knows how to harness that sort of negative energy.
After 12 years (the last 5 of which have been trophyless regardless of Mc Kenna Cups) Mickey's time is over.A stint managing the Intermational Rules team beckons followed by leading Antrim through the back door to the All Ireland Quarter Finals.
It is my ambition to live long enough to see Armagh defeat a Tyrone side not managed by Art Mc Rory or Mickey Harte.
At the start of the year I would have been happy with it being mickeys last year. I quickly realised though that when you're going into battle in Croker there is no better man at the helm. Give the man what he wants as this new team could be on the verge of great things. No disrespect to canavan or dooher but they're hardly in his league. I really hope this doesn't play out like the eamon Coleman saga were derry gaels have regretted for years not backing their man. U only have to read some of the posts on here from non-tyronies. They would be delighted to see mickey leave the stage to the detriment of Tyrone football
Quote from: barelegs on September 03, 2015, 12:46:36 AM
Taking a step back, I think the offer of another year is fair. Looking at more that the last 6 weeks and looking at the last 5 years then things have a slightly different perspective. Tyrone have won nothing of note since 2010, when they won the Ulster championship, and haven't beaten one of the games powers since 2008. The 2014 season was an absolute shambles and the manager has to take a large portion of the blame for that. We were then relegated from Division 1 of the league at the beginning of this year.
In saying all that, this season was a lot more encouraging. The team was a lot more settled. It was better organised and they played to a system that the players believed in, something that had been missing in recent seasons. Young players were given extended runs in the side and the strength and conditioning area which had been belatedly addressed in the off season was starting to bear fruit. I'll give Mickey Harte plenty of credit for that.
If Mickey wants to stay on as manager he's got the option to stay on and build on the good work that was done this year. Should Tyrone produce another 2014 like shambles then the county board isn't tied into a longer deal. I think that's fair
The most sensible post I have read on this topic yet. Until the Monaghan game there didn't look to be any real progress. Who is to say next year won't be another shambles and that our Ulster campaign ends with another Donegal defeat? Surely a one year deal with the option to extend (if all parties are satisfied with progress levels) is the way to go.
i would give him a 1 year extension only.
the u-21's have a good team again next year so would like to see the current u-21 management stay in place for another season
and then if things were to go pear shaped next season with MH and the seniors they could take over the senior management in 2017.
I have stated numerous times on this board about M Harte and you Tyrone people who don't want him to continue are mad in the head, he might be stubborn and he might be this and that but he's a good football manager. If Tyrone haven't beat a top 4 team in so many years will be down to the quality of players you have at your disposal and not M Harte. B careful what you wish for as this could end up another J McCorry fiasco. I'm an Armagh man and i'd gladly take Micky as our manager
There'll be no club football played if canavan and dooher take over. Sure they were stopping U21's playing in non-starred game fixtures this year!
Absolutely ludicrous to hear some of the names mentioned. Good players with no track record in management ?
Some serious progress this year and quite a few inexperienced players now becoming established. To suggest a new manager after going toe to toe with kerry for 65 minutes in an all ireland semi final is in my opinion nuts.
If he wants another year give it to him.
Quote from: Bensars on September 03, 2015, 11:08:02 AM
Absolutely ludicrous to hear some of the names mentioned. Good players with no track record in management ?
Some serious progress this year and quite a few inexperienced players now becoming established. To suggest a new manager after going toe to toe with kerry for 65 minutes in an all ireland semi final is in my opinion nuts.
If he wants another year give it to him.
Yes, a few inexperienced players have gained experience but he older, really good players like sean Cavanagh will be leaving the scene very soon and will be hugely missed. He may stay on for another year or 2 but the bottom line is in the big games of the last 3 or 4 years he hasn't had anything like the influence the young sean Cavanagh had. Harte's record over the last few years has been very poor and a decent run this year has swayed a lot of peoples opinion. If tyrone had met a decent team earlier in the qualifiers instead of having a handy run most people on here would be calling for him to be replaced. Also, tyrone's reputation is in the gutter and the relationship with rte has a large part to play in this.
Hartes record over the last few years has been poor? Didn't they reach the semi finals in '13 as well as this year? Jaysus, if that's poor, there's a lot of counties out there that are miserable altogether.
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Quote from: Bensars on September 03, 2015, 11:08:02 AM
Absolutely ludicrous to hear some of the names mentioned. Good players with no track record in management ?
Some serious progress this year and quite a few inexperienced players now becoming established. To suggest a new manager after going toe to toe with kerry for 65 minutes in an all ireland semi final is in my opinion nuts.
If he wants another year give it to him.
Yes, a few inexperienced players have gained experience but he older, really good players like sean Cavanagh will be leaving the scene very soon and will be hugely missed. He may stay on for another year or 2 but the bottom line is in the big games of the last 3 or 4 years he hasn't had anything like the influence the young sean Cavanagh had. Harte's record over the last few years has been very poor and a decent run this year has swayed a lot of peoples opinion. If tyrone had met a decent team earlier in the qualifiers instead of having a handy run most people on here would be calling for him to be replaced. Also, tyrone's reputation is in the gutter and the relationship with rte has a large part to play in this.
Cavanagh is very much a marked man now though. I would have said the attention he got against Kerry left a massive gap down the middle which Tyrone were able to exploit. Were he not there the Kerry defense would have been a bit more solid down the middle I suspect.
While Tyrone fans think they are set up to threaten for an AI soon I wouldn't be sure they have the scoring power to do that and the question would be where will that come from. Unless Ronan O'Neill steps up I'm not sure I see that in current crop. Add to that Cavanagh and the McMahons who won't last that much longer I think the next few years will be tougher for them than they think...
That being said Harte being unsuccessful is not challenging for an AI which is harsh on him. Tyrone, this year aside, seem to have failed to bring through very strong minor teams to u21 never mind senior. Maybe that has been addressed a bit now mind.
Wasn't it 2003 was Mickey Hartes first year or was it 2002?
Wiki said 2002 but I changed it to 2003
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Harte (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Harte)
Looking at the winning managers before and after him down the bottom of that page, no wonder Jack O'Connor didn't like us and Harte.
Quote from: Fuzzman on September 03, 2015, 12:49:11 PM
Wasn't it 2003 was Mickey Hartes first year or was it 2002?
Wiki said 2002 but I changed it to 2003
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Harte (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Harte)
Looking at the winning managers before and after him down the bottom of that page, no wonder Jack O'Connor didn't like us and Harte.
Were there not games before Christmas back then? Probably in charge the season 2002-2003.
We won the national league final in 2002 under MH.
I support him staying on if he helps make it a bit easier to be a Tyrone supporter.
There was also a special dispensation in 2002 to allow him to continue managing Errigal Ciaran as well as Tyrone.
Errigal reached the All-Ireland club semi-finals in 2003.
Quote from: Rois on September 03, 2015, 01:24:36 PM
We won the national league final in 2002 under MH.
I support him staying on if he helps make it a bit easier to be a Tyrone supporter.
Harte's first year was 2003
Art and Eugene were at the helm in 2002 - the defeat to Sligo in the Championship was the end of them
Harte was only appointed in the winter of 2002 and wasn't in charge when they won the league against Cavan in 2002.
Quote from: Rois on September 03, 2015, 01:24:36 PM
We won the national league final in 2002 under MH.
I support him staying on if he helps make it a bit easier to be a Tyrone supporter.
Rois I don't think you are correct on that. We beat Cavan in 2002 League final under the Art/Eugene management team and went on to lose the qualifier game to Sligo later that summer.
For the record I also support Mickey Harte remaining as Tyrone manager and I don't see a viable alternative at present. I would like for Mickey to take the job on a rolling 1 year basis subject to review each October, I don't think that would be unreasonable in the circumstances.
Quote from: The Bearded One on September 03, 2015, 01:43:57 PM
Quote from: Rois on September 03, 2015, 01:24:36 PM
We won the national league final in 2002 under MH.
I support him staying on if he helps make it a bit easier to be a Tyrone supporter.
Rois I don't think you are correct on that. We beat Cavan in 2002 League final under the Art/Eugene management team and went on to lose the qualifier game to Sligo later that summer.
For the record I also support Mickey Harte remaining as Tyrone manager and I don't see a viable alternative at present. I would like for Mickey to take the job on a rolling 1 year basis subject to review each October, I don't think that would be unreasonable in the circumstances.
That's what I thought. I was at that Sligo game in Croker, and I was sure that was Art McCrory's era.
Sorry! Wikipedia error.
Aaaahhhh I'm going mad here Rois
I changed it on Wiki to 2003, then read your post last page so changed it back to 2002 and now ye're all saying I was right that it was 2003.
In my head he was one of the many managers who won Sam in his first year.
I would be happy to give him one more year but not more. I really wanted a fresh face the last 3 or 4 years
The way he treats some of the players is very bad imho. Even players he used to get on well with like Mugsy and even Dooher I heard he had an incident with this year.
He was appointed in November 2002
http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/other/harte-appointed-tyrone-manager-76852.html
as an outsider i think Tyrone should be slow to get rid of Harte unless there is another compelling candidate and not just a big name. though a Big name eg Canavan could well inspire a team for a year of so IF he is a poor manger he would do more harm than good long term and next thing Tom Tommy Carrs and luke Dempseys phone ARE ringing
harteis not showing the sign of a manager wo is there too long, as in players who served him well, are not being kept on years past their sell by date and he has showing a willingness to adapt his game a bit .
the only fly in the ointment i see is players who are next in line seem to be leaving the panel, there may be good reasons but it never a good sign
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 03, 2015, 01:38:56 PM
Harte was only appointed in the winter of 2002 and wasn't in charge when they won the league against Cavan in 2002.
Art and Eugene were booted out fairly sharpish after Armagh won the All-Ireland.
It would be madness for Tyrone to dispense with Harte at this stage.
Losing to Kerry in a game Tyrone never really looked liked winning looks like it will be what keeps Harte in situ.
The thing is I just can't see Tyrone pushing on next year in terms of seriously challenging for Sam so it's very hard to know if sticking with Harte or bringing in a new broom would be the better option.
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 03, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Losing to Kerry in a game Tyrone never really looked liked winning looks like it will be what keeps Harte in situ.
The thing is I just can't see Tyrone pushing on next year in terms of seriously challenging for Sam so it's very hard to know if sticking with Harte or bringing in a new broom would be the better option.
You do realise that the Kerry game was an All Ireland semi final? Only 3 other counties got that far you know!
Mickey would be better walking away.
Problems all over the park to solve next year. In defence ronan mcnamee won't be available next year, that was his best performer this year. Needs to upgrade aidan mcrory -the kerry fans sat next to me in the hogan were mocking him the last day.
Midfield non existent. McNulty offers hope but far from a dominant figure
In the forwards the real problem lies. Sean close to walking away. Mcalliskey and McCurry too similar to form an all Ireland winning partnership. Scores hard to come by. Maybe McShane will offer something new next season but the best young attacking talent is either in Oz (conor mckenna) or not overly interested (Dan mcnulty)
http://teamtalkmag.com/2015/08/live-radio-thursday-night-special-interview-with-mickey-harte-9pm/
Quote from: stew on September 02, 2015, 04:13:11 PM
That fact that he has just enough support as suggested baffles me, the man took an average enough side to the cusp of the AIF a few weeks ago, what more has he to do for you lot???
The fact that it is an average enough side is the reason that his time should be coming to an end. Tyrone are a county with a great footballing culture, excellent facilities, a very good underage set up and a well resourced Club Tyrone. They should be All Ireland contenders every year but they have been firmly in the second tier of counties for the past 5 or 6 years.
They were lucky to beat an average Meath team in the qualifiers this year and if that had went against him Harte would have definitely been ousted.
Did Tyrone have a good year because they got to an AI semi or because they ran Kerry close? If its the latter then that's ok, but the luck of the draw paired Tyrone with Monaghan in the quarters, easily the weakest of the four provincial winners (same as 2013 btw). Had Tyrone met Kerry in the quarters and lost what would public opinion have been?
How can someone who is a great manager play Aiden Mc Crory as a ball playing, score taking half back ?? Seriously??
Quote from: In hiding on September 04, 2015, 12:25:29 AM
How can someone who is a great manager play Aiden Mc Crory as a ball playing, score taking half back ?? Seriously??
He didn't.
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Quote from: ONeill on September 04, 2015, 12:29:34 AM
Quote from: In hiding on September 04, 2015, 12:25:29 AM
How can someone who is a great manager play Aiden Mc Crory as a ball playing, score taking half back ?? Seriously??
He didn't.
Where did he play him then, Mc Crory has played left half back for most of the year. Tyrones full back line has been any 3 fom Mc Namee, Mc Carron, Mc Mahon and Mc Nabb. Tiernan Mc Cann and Mc Crory were the wing half backs v Kerry
I don't like some of the abuse McCrory has came in for this year, I feel he has had a very solid year for us. Granted he didn't play well against Kerry and was taken off but I saw nothing to suggest he be dropped before that game. I would say his threat is most under threat going into next year in the defence but he's but it's not as if we had an array of proven defensive options to us in the Championship this season.
M Harte knows that he will eventually be betrayed and brought down by some of those within the Tyrone GAA structures. He won't even have to wait until the 'ides of March', the plotters are not hard to find. There are too many egos involved in the county board, club tyrone and the other structures in the county. There are issues with east and west Tyrone with the predominance of players now from the east as a new management team was introduced and this has brought additional tension on the club front as games are cancelled but their best players are not involved in success at county level. Hence, clubs are encouraging their players to leave the squad and come back to where they are wanted and loved. There are too many bidding for control within the county setup and too many others waiting their time to get their digs in as a situation evolves.
The story in Down is an example of how things evolve quickly and when a county does not have strong leadership and direction in the county board with a strong and visionary chairman at the helm. Look at the chaos that is Derry. But look how a strong manager such as J Maginness was able to virtually lead the county board in Donegal even for a short time because he had a vision and a passion to succeed. Even he couldn't sustain it against the ingrained attitudes of established officialdom in and out of the county board. The same thing is true in many other county boards but look at the most successful counties and you will see someone taking charge who has the necessary characteristics to lead rather than being there because it is their 'turn' or they 'have served their time' on committees. Look at those counties where they are not weighed down with committees. Look at Dublin and see how leadership and vision has lifted the county from the doldrums in both hurling and football. Dublin doesn't have the best sponsors and provision for its players because it is big but because the leadership thinks big on behalf of the players at all levels.
The GAA is a political body at all levels and parochial by definition, this means that the emphasis is often only on the football or hurling when it is working well. For many at county board level they have never played the game with distinction or even at all but believe that they know better than those who have played or are playing or managing their teams. Counties need leaders at the helm but they need those who have been successful on the field and have shown leadership qualities. Administrators are needed but not for policy, strategy or vision and there are too many who are administrators in place of leaders around the GAA country. They are brilliant in their abilities to organise and administrate but do not have the qualities required to provide strong leadership and vision that will provide success.
J McCorry took the right decision for him and wouldn't accept the platitudes of those on the county board executive who offered him support when they had secretly stabbed him in the back just a few weeks earlier. M Harte is a canny operator and he will play the 'officials'' game as long as he can because he has always seen the potential of his players playing his system. For a number of years since 2010 and the major retirements, he has struggled to maintain his system and in the last few years he has had to evolve his system to meet the changes brought about in the game by Donegal. He knows he is on the verge of success with his evolved system coming to fruition with a group of players who believe in him and his system. That is all he has ever needed, not the best players in the county but the players who can best believe in him and his system. Just as J McGuinness copied from him and modified slightly for Donegal, a system and belief of the players. The last two games have shown the players that it works at the highest levels and that a new group of players, not all the best in the county, are now ready to make a run over the next three years.
The issue that now lies between M Harte and Tyrone All Ireland success in the next few years is the battle of the egos and for control in Tyrone. There are those who think that M Harte has too much control and they are prepared to act in concert to take him down but none of them has the courage to make their solo run. Like him or loathe him but M Harte is a man of courage and a self belief that is not replicated in many of those who now stand in the shadows and plot his fate. A stand off has been established where control of Tyrone football has become more important to some than recognising the success that has been achieved and that can be achieved over the next few years with M Harte as manager. Besides there is no one to fill his boots. One year wonders at u21 level are no replacement and only look good compared to the many management teams since 2002 who have tried and failed to emulate M Harte's success at underage level when just as much talent was available to them given the county's success at provincial and All Ireland levels of the very successful vocational and colleges teams during the period since 2002.
Oh dear! I fear for M Harte but he is a tough nut and appears to have a stubborn streak. He may pull through this battle but any victory will unfortunately be a pyrrhic one and eventually the war will be lost for Tyrone football. Good luck M Harte, he certainly needs it!
What about the Russians?... you didn't mention the Russians :-\
Quote from: longballin on September 04, 2015, 10:18:53 AM
What about the Russians?... you didn't mention the Russians :-\
I think East Tyrone people are the Russians?
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Quote from: longballin on September 04, 2015, 10:18:53 AM
What about the Russians?... you didn't mention the Russians :-\
I think East Tyrone people are the Russians?
Like the Smirnoff alright.
I think East Tyrone people are the Russians?
Yer far enough that road comrad
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 03, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Losing to Kerry in a game Tyrone never really looked liked winning looks like it will be what keeps Harte in situ.
The thing is I just can't see Tyrone pushing on next year in terms of seriously challenging for Sam so it's very hard to know if sticking with Harte or bringing in a new broom would be the better option.
You do realise that the Kerry game was an All Ireland semi final? Only 3 other counties got that far you know!
And who did they beat to get there - the sum total of feck all. Getting to a semi-final is one thing when a team playing well beats serious contenders to get there, a whole different kettle of fish when it's struggling past average/below-average teams by a few points.
Monaghan were abysmal in the quarter, Tipp totally collapsed, and the less said about Meath and Limerick the better, because Tyrone performances against the two of them were hardly all that impressive.
The loss to Donegal in Ulster looks a lot less of a decent result than it did at the time, especially in light of Donegal's losses to Monaghan and Mayo.
Overall Tyrone played 10 games against Division 1 opposition this year and won 2 of them. Both of those wins were against teams who had very bad days at the office, and indeed a strong case could be made that for both of the Division 1 teams their performances against Tyrone were both their worst performances of the year. If folk think, that's the form of a team who will be seriously challenging for Sam anytime soon, good luck to them but I'm not buying that notion.
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 04, 2015, 01:29:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 03, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Losing to Kerry in a game Tyrone never really looked liked winning looks like it will be what keeps Harte in situ.
The thing is I just can't see Tyrone pushing on next year in terms of seriously challenging for Sam so it's very hard to know if sticking with Harte or bringing in a new broom would be the better option.
You do realise that the Kerry game was an All Ireland semi final? Only 3 other counties got that far you know!
And who did they beat to get there - the sum total of feck all. Getting to a semi-final is one thing when a team playing well beats serious contenders to get there, a whole different kettle of fish when it's struggling past average/below-average teams by a few points.
Monaghan were abysmal in the quarter, Tipp totally collapsed, and the less said about Meath and Limerick the better, because Tyrone performances against the two of them were hardly all that impressive.
The loss to Donegal in Ulster looks a lot less of a decent result than it did at the time, especially in light of Donegal's losses to Monaghan and Mayo.
Overall Tyrone played 10 games against Division 1 opposition this year and won 2 of them. Both of those wins were against teams who had very bad days at the office, and indeed a strong case could be made that for both of the Division 1 teams their performances against Tyrone were both their worst performances of the year. If folk think, that's the form of a team who will be seriously challenging for Sam anytime soon, good luck to them but I'm not buying that notion.
Spot on twohands, a lot has been forgotten in light of not suffering a tanking against Kerry and beating the mighty Monaghan.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 04, 2015, 01:34:34 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 04, 2015, 01:29:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 03, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Losing to Kerry in a game Tyrone never really looked liked winning looks like it will be what keeps Harte in situ.
The thing is I just can't see Tyrone pushing on next year in terms of seriously challenging for Sam so it's very hard to know if sticking with Harte or bringing in a new broom would be the better option.
You do realise that the Kerry game was an All Ireland semi final? Only 3 other counties got that far you know!
And who did they beat to get there - the sum total of feck all. Getting to a semi-final is one thing when a team playing well beats serious contenders to get there, a whole different kettle of fish when it's struggling past average/below-average teams by a few points.
Monaghan were abysmal in the quarter, Tipp totally collapsed, and the less said about Meath and Limerick the better, because Tyrone performances against the two of them were hardly all that impressive.
The loss to Donegal in Ulster looks a lot less of a decent result than it did at the time, especially in light of Donegal's losses to Monaghan and Mayo.
Overall Tyrone played 10 games against Division 1 opposition this year and won 2 of them. Both of those wins were against teams who had very bad days at the office, and indeed a strong case could be made that for both of the Division 1 teams their performances against Tyrone were both their worst performances of the year. If folk think, that's the form of a team who will be seriously challenging for Sam anytime soon, good luck to them but I'm not buying that notion.
Spot on twohands, a lot has been forgotten in light of not suffering a tanking against Kerry and beating the mighty Monaghan.
Spot on. I've also heard that he seriously pissed off the sponsors by changing out of the official tyrone gear with sponsors logo before doing sky interviews. I don't have sky so not sure how true that is but coupled with the fact that his row continues with rte over the non appointment of brian carty it means the sponsors aren't happy and are putting pressure on.
Quote from: lenny on September 04, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 04, 2015, 01:34:34 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 04, 2015, 01:29:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 03, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Losing to Kerry in a game Tyrone never really looked liked winning looks like it will be what keeps Harte in situ.
The thing is I just can't see Tyrone pushing on next year in terms of seriously challenging for Sam so it's very hard to know if sticking with Harte or bringing in a new broom would be the better option.
You do realise that the Kerry game was an All Ireland semi final? Only 3 other counties got that far you know!
And who did they beat to get there - the sum total of feck all. Getting to a semi-final is one thing when a team playing well beats serious contenders to get there, a whole different kettle of fish when it's struggling past average/below-average teams by a few points.
Monaghan were abysmal in the quarter, Tipp totally collapsed, and the less said about Meath and Limerick the better, because Tyrone performances against the two of them were hardly all that impressive.
The loss to Donegal in Ulster looks a lot less of a decent result than it did at the time, especially in light of Donegal's losses to Monaghan and Mayo.
Overall Tyrone played 10 games against Division 1 opposition this year and won 2 of them. Both of those wins were against teams who had very bad days at the office, and indeed a strong case could be made that for both of the Division 1 teams their performances against Tyrone were both their worst performances of the year. If folk think, that's the form of a team who will be seriously challenging for Sam anytime soon, good luck to them but I'm not buying that notion.
Spot on twohands, a lot has been forgotten in light of not suffering a tanking against Kerry and beating the mighty Monaghan.
Spot on. I've also heard that he seriously pissed off the sponsors by changing out of the official tyrone gear with sponsors logo before doing sky interviews. I don't have sky so not sure how true that is but coupled with the fact that his row continues with rte over the non appointment of brian carty it means the sponsors aren't happy and are putting pressure on.
I had a look there and there's only one Sky Interview with Mickey on their website and indeed he wasn't wearing any branded gear but how many Tyrone matches were on Sky this year? It all seems pretty tenuous this sponsors thing.
Does Lavery really care that much about the interviews? I'm not so sure. It seems that there's a group in Tyrone who are sick being dictated to and who believe Harte wields too much power in the County which is probably true. This looks to be trying to bring him down a peg or two I can't see that he will give up the post I mean what will he do instead?
Someone like a Harte or Cody doesn't have anything else and they aren't going to throw their lot in with another County so I can't see Harte bowing out at this stage!
Quote from: lenny on September 04, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 04, 2015, 01:34:34 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 04, 2015, 01:29:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 03, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Losing to Kerry in a game Tyrone never really looked liked winning looks like it will be what keeps Harte in situ.
The thing is I just can't see Tyrone pushing on next year in terms of seriously challenging for Sam so it's very hard to know if sticking with Harte or bringing in a new broom would be the better option.
You do realise that the Kerry game was an All Ireland semi final? Only 3 other counties got that far you know!
And who did they beat to get there - the sum total of feck all. Getting to a semi-final is one thing when a team playing well beats serious contenders to get there, a whole different kettle of fish when it's struggling past average/below-average teams by a few points.
Monaghan were abysmal in the quarter, Tipp totally collapsed, and the less said about Meath and Limerick the better, because Tyrone performances against the two of them were hardly all that impressive.
The loss to Donegal in Ulster looks a lot less of a decent result than it did at the time, especially in light of Donegal's losses to Monaghan and Mayo.
Overall Tyrone played 10 games against Division 1 opposition this year and won 2 of them. Both of those wins were against teams who had very bad days at the office, and indeed a strong case could be made that for both of the Division 1 teams their performances against Tyrone were both their worst performances of the year. If folk think, that's the form of a team who will be seriously challenging for Sam anytime soon, good luck to them but I'm not buying that notion.
Spot on twohands, a lot has been forgotten in light of not suffering a tanking against Kerry and beating the mighty Monaghan.
Spot on. I've also heard that he seriously pissed off the sponsors by changing out of the official tyrone gear with sponsors logo before doing sky interviews. I don't have sky so not sure how true that is but coupled with the fact that his row continues with rte over the non appointment of brian carty it means the sponsors aren't happy and are putting pressure on.
You are being purposely disingenuous.
I hold Mickey Harte responsible for leading football down the path it has gone since he was appointed in 2003.The sooner the Tymoanies stab him in the back the better.
classy stuff there Cletus ::)
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 04, 2015, 01:29:06 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 03, 2015, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on September 03, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Losing to Kerry in a game Tyrone never really looked liked winning looks like it will be what keeps Harte in situ.
The thing is I just can't see Tyrone pushing on next year in terms of seriously challenging for Sam so it's very hard to know if sticking with Harte or bringing in a new broom would be the better option.
You do realise that the Kerry game was an All Ireland semi final? Only 3 other counties got that far you know!
And who did they beat to get there - the sum total of feck all. Getting to a semi-final is one thing when a team playing well beats serious contenders to get there, a whole different kettle of fish when it's struggling past average/below-average teams by a few points.
Monaghan were abysmal in the quarter, Tipp totally collapsed, and the less said about Meath and Limerick the better, because Tyrone performances against the two of them were hardly all that impressive.
The loss to Donegal in Ulster looks a lot less of a decent result than it did at the time, especially in light of Donegal's losses to Monaghan and Mayo.
Overall Tyrone played 10 games against Division 1 opposition this year and won 2 of them. Both of those wins were against teams who had very bad days at the office, and indeed a strong case could be made that for both of the Division 1 teams their performances against Tyrone were both their worst performances of the year. If folk think, that's the form of a team who will be seriously challenging for Sam anytime soon, good luck to them but I'm not buying that notion.
Who had the hardest route to the semi final then? If Tyrone are so poor, do you feel Kerry aren't in an AI final on merit as they haven't beaten anyone of note along the way. Can you win an AI without playing anyone of note? Is everyone shite?
Remember, in the Div 1 games that you seem to want quote in once sense but ignore in another, such as Tyrones unbeaten record versus the "big 3" of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry. It was the Ulster teams they struggled against. Mickey turned that form around by the time the AI quarter final came around.
Nobody is saying Tyrone are the finished article, all I'm saying is that I think Mickey is the best man to continue the job.
Quote from: Cletus Fox on September 04, 2015, 07:00:40 PM
I hold Mickey Harte responsible for leading football down the path it has gone since he was appointed in 2003.The sooner the Tymoanies stab him in the back the better.
and what path is that - the path to 3 All-irelands and the second most successful team in the country during his reign. Mickey will leave when he wins one more All-Ireland which will be sometime in next 3 years, maybe even next year.
Quote from: Rodman on September 04, 2015, 10:22:53 PM
and what path is that - the path to 3 All-irelands and the second most successful team in the country during his reign. Mickey will leave when he wins one more All-Ireland which will be sometime in next 3 years, maybe even next year.
If Tyrone win an All Ireland next year they should erect a large statue of Mickey Harte on the Ballygawley Roundabout.
They should do that already.
It's hard to see him not there. He's a real star you know.
Ffs it would be more beneficial if they could cut the grass on Ballygawley roundabout
Are Tyrone mad Harte not one bit likeable but no doubt still one of the great managers. Monaghan have won two Ulsters in the last three years.
He has to be interviewed for the job for next year.
That should be fun.
Quote from: Gaffer on September 05, 2015, 12:17:22 AM
He has to be interviewed for the job for next year.
That a feckin disgrace
The Down job is free.
Surely all Logan has to do is withdraw from consideration
There's competition for the position, so if the TCB were not to entertain a due process (of elimination) then they'd be open to all kinds of accusations of anointments.
Can't see what they can do, realistically, in this position, and Mickey Harte is no shrinking violet, he'll be fighting his corner with venom! ;)
Laois would take him 8)
Quote from: Gaffer on September 05, 2015, 12:17:22 AM
He has to be interviewed for the job for next year.
Really - is that true?
Who the f**k in Tyrone or anywhere else is qualified to interview Mickey Harte about managing a football team ? ::)
The interview scenario is an insult to get him to resign. Mickey Harte should be doing the interviews for future managers not justifying himself at this stage.
After all he has been through I suspect he finds it finds it hard to leave it behind. It must be a great distraction for him.
But y'know maybe his time ended with the Doohers, McMenamons, Jordans, Gormleys, etc.
He'll always have respect from younger lads coming in but any manager only has so much shelf life. Impossible to keep the edge but you can still go through the motions and be still better than most. However it might not be the best thing to do.
Micko probably stayed too long with Kerry and they went into a slack period for 10 years.
Boylan probably stayed too long in Meath as well.
Johnno presided over Galway for about 3 years after 01 and regressed every year. The game passed him out and we were fortunate to survive his management 07- 10 and be able to compete after at the level we ve done since.
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Quote from: Gaffer on September 05, 2015, 12:17:22 AM
He has to be interviewed for the job for next year.
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Johnno presided over Galway for about 3 years after 01 and regressed every year. The game passed him out and we were fortunate to survive his management 07- 10 and be able to compete after at the level we ve done since.
Hi boy, you've an All-Ireland semi to be worried about tomorrow. Let us fcuk things up ourselves without interference from the West, we're quite capable! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 05, 2015, 01:16:15 AM
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Quote from: Gaffer on September 05, 2015, 12:17:22 AM
He has to be interviewed for the job for next year.
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Johnno presided over Galway for about 3 years after 01 and regressed every year. The game passed him out and we were fortunate to survive his management 07- 10 and be able to compete after at the level we ve done since.
Hi boy, you've an All-Ireland semi to be worried about tomorrow. Let us fcuk things up ourselves without interference from the West, we're quite capable! ;)
Sorry son. I should have prefaced that by saying that I couldn t care less about what happens in Tyrone ;)
But seriously, don t do anything without talking to me first. I m available to sit on an interview panel as well as a neutral ;D
Quote from: hardstation on September 05, 2015, 01:21:39 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2015, 01:09:50 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on September 05, 2015, 12:17:22 AM
He has to be interviewed for the job for next year.
Really - is that true?
Who the f**k in Tyrone or anywhere else is qualified to interview Mickey Harte about managing a football team ? ::)
The interview scenario is an insult to get him to resign. Mickey Harte should be doing the interviews for future managers not justifying himself at this stage.
That's a bit behind the times in my view. Harte has been God like in Tyrone football since 2003 (and rightly so) but there may be people out there offering a better future for Tyrone football (probably like Harte did at the start of his tenure). Harte can hardly be on the interviewing panel when he is in for the job.
I m actually agreeing with you - I think. If there is an interview then that is a big, big 'hint' that Mickey is not universally wanted in Tyrone. I was not suggesting that he would interview himself! But who is qualified to interview him?! Anywhere? He d be a man another county would look for advice or to sit in on an interview panel.
Mickey can tough it out and if he goes through the interview it will take a brass neck panel to not reappoint him. If somebody else is appointed they will have to hit the ground running and keep running. Remember he won an AI in his first year. There's going to be no honeymoon for whoever.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 05, 2015, 12:36:00 AM
Surely all Logan has to do is withdraw from consideration
Why would he ?
Maybe he is the right man for the job
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 05, 2015, 12:36:00 AM
Surely all Logan has to do is withdraw from consideration
Why would he ?
Maybe he is the right man for the job
Logan is being talked to for the U 21 job that he is in, there is no one else in for the Senior job. The language used by the County Board is very poor. It is a discussion with Harte and Logan before their inevitable and deserved reappointments, can't see what the story is here.
This is bad bad form IMO
It is an attempt to get the blood up in Mickey by disrespecting him, I hope for the good of Tyrone Senior Football he sticks this BS out.
As moysider pointed out...
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2015, 01:09:50 AM
Who the f**k in Tyrone or anywhere else is qualified to interview Mickey Harte about managing a football team ? ::)
On the other hand if there is something about his backroom team having to be ratified I wouldn't disagree with that, Peter Donnelly is a great man to have in the setup but feck me Horse Devlin??? He's a total lose canon.
But more important than anything else is....
MICKEY MUST STAY!
Surely Mickey cannot turn up at interview unshaven
Quote from: T Fearon on September 05, 2015, 07:33:26 AM
Surely Mickey cannot turn up at interview unshaven
Harte did well with one core group of players who were on all 3 teams to win Sam. There is an argument that those players were so good that if Eugene McKenna had been left in charge instead of being shafted by the county board and Harte then they would have won those titles anyway. Since the bulk of that core group of players have retired Harte has ballsed it up for the last 7 years and many very good players haven't been brought through or developed. He's a good manager no doubt but,a bit like pete mcgrath in down, each year he stays without success his legacy is tarnished. Without the lucky draw this year most tyrone fans would have been very happy to see the back of him.
Quote from: lenny on September 05, 2015, 08:06:34 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 05, 2015, 07:33:26 AM
Surely Mickey cannot turn up at interview unshaven
Harte did well with one core group of players who were on all 3 teams to win Sam. There is an argument that those players were so good that if Eugene McKenna had been left in charge instead of being shafted by the county board and Harte then they would have won those titles anyway. Since the bulk of that core group of players have retired Harte has ballsed it up for the last 7 years and many very good players haven't been brought through or developed. He's a good manager no doubt but,a bit like pete mcgrath in down, each year he stays without success his legacy is tarnished. Without the lucky draw this year most tyrone fans would have been very happy to see the back of him.
The "lucky draw" this year.
Of the four semi-finalists this year I think it's fair to say Tyrone had the most difficult path to get there.
Agree.Joe Kernan and Pete Mc Grath both stayed too long in their respective counties,and the impact was not only bad for them personally but bad for their counties too.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 05, 2015, 08:21:35 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 05, 2015, 08:06:34 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 05, 2015, 07:33:26 AM
Surely Mickey cannot turn up at interview unshaven
Harte did well with one core group of players who were on all 3 teams to win Sam. There is an argument that those players were so good that if Eugene McKenna had been left in charge instead of being shafted by the county board and Harte then they would have won those titles anyway. Since the bulk of that core group of players have retired Harte has ballsed it up for the last 7 years and many very good players haven't been brought through or developed. He's a good manager no doubt but,a bit like pete mcgrath in down, each year he stays without success his legacy is tarnished. Without the lucky draw this year most tyrone fans would have been very happy to see the back of him.
The "lucky draw" this year.
Of the four semi-finalists this year I think it's fair to say Tyrone had the most difficult path to get there.
They lost to the only 2 decent teams they played.
Quote from: lenny on September 05, 2015, 08:25:15 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 05, 2015, 08:21:35 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 05, 2015, 08:06:34 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 05, 2015, 07:33:26 AM
Surely Mickey cannot turn up at interview unshaven
Harte did well with one core group of players who were on all 3 teams to win Sam. There is an argument that those players were so good that if Eugene McKenna had been left in charge instead of being shafted by the county board and Harte then they would have won those titles anyway. Since the bulk of that core group of players have retired Harte has ballsed it up for the last 7 years and many very good players haven't been brought through or developed. He's a good manager no doubt but,a bit like pete mcgrath in down, each year he stays without success his legacy is tarnished. Without the lucky draw this year most tyrone fans would have been very happy to see the back of him.
The "lucky draw" this year.
Of the four semi-finalists this year I think it's fair to say Tyrone had the most difficult path to get there.
They lost to the only 2 decent teams they played.
Skewed logic as Monaghan showed they were better than Donegal this year.
Tyrone have faced three Division One teams this year.
That's more than any of the other teams remaining in the Championship have at this stage, so so much for a "lucky draw".
Time for Rosin Jordan to resign, not fit for purpose. The language she is using is terrible, why talk of 'interview' the word meeting was being used earlier in the week. Her and the other idiots involved will set the county back ten years. They will case nothing but a split. It reals of whatDerry dos to Coleman and look what happend them afterwards.
I have heard there is a campaign starting to get rid of Jordan and a few others
The big error by Mickey this year was reacting to the fall out from their excesses in the 1/4 final by changing a winning formula. He reacted by reining in the cynical excesses, put a sunday suit on all the players for the semi final and told them not to sin. He should have stuck to his guns, backed his players, said f u to all the begrudgers, evil rte, other assorted sinful rascals in the media and not deviate one inch from the Tyrone gospel. Tyrone should have done what they do best, goad and drag kerry to the gutter. Instead Mickey reacted negatively and instructed his team to play football the manly way.
Such mixed tactics confuse players and their football identity. No wonder that McNulty couldn't pull off a decent convincing dive to enhance the bit of physical contact.
This seems to be growing momentum. Due process is one thing but it can be used as an excuse by county boards to force the manager's hand. Can't see anything other than Harte continuing as manager but on the face of it his relationship with the board/chairwoman doesn't seem to be rock solid. Could be wrong, but that's how it's starting to look.
Quote from: Armamike on September 05, 2015, 03:37:37 PM
This seems to be growing momentum. Due process is one thing but it can be used as an excuse by county boards to force the manager's hand. Can't see anything other than Harte continuing as manager but on the face of it his relationship with the board/chairwoman doesn't seem to be rock solid. Could be wrong, but that's how it's starting to look.
Agree totally
Looks like a rerun of Margaret Thatcher and Scargill.Two supreme egotists.Surely a big county is entitled to consider managerial options after no major trophies in five years.Would a Kerry or Dublin manager survive a drought like this? I don't think so
CB is a joke...2 AI semis in 3 years whilst rebuilding a team....I cant imagine to many managers doing that...
Harte has kept Tyrone at the top table during a rebuilding period - teams like Armagh have fell in to Div 3 to rebuild - Tyrone have reached three All Ireland Semi Finals / 2 National League finals (1&2) since 08. Not bad during what is a transition period.
Jordan and her cronies should be chased and it could well happen.
Quote from: delgany on September 05, 2015, 06:54:11 PM
CB is a joke...2 AI semis in 3 years whilst rebuilding a team....I cant imagine to many managers doing that...
He's had 7 years to rebuild.
Quote from: lenny on September 05, 2015, 07:20:37 PM
Quote from: delgany on September 05, 2015, 06:54:11 PM
CB is a joke...2 AI semis in 3 years whilst rebuilding a team....I cant imagine to many managers doing that...
He's had 7 years to rebuild.
Some teams never rebuild! But like has been said Tyrone have made 2 semi finals in 3 years, which is a better return than most. Rebuilding after having a great team with great players is not particularly easy.
Mayo have been in countless semi finals in the last ten years,they are not synonomous with success.
Would love to be a fly on the wall at Mickey's interview :D
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 05, 2015, 12:45:55 AM
There's competition for the position, so if the TCB were not to entertain a due process (of elimination) then they'd be open to all kinds of accusations of anointments.
Can't see what they can do, realistically, in this position, and Mickey Harte is no shrinking violet, he'll be fighting his corner with venom! ;)
That's not very Christian!!!
Quote from: SkillfulBill on September 02, 2015, 07:48:20 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 02, 2015, 07:38:21 PM
Mickey has made Tyrone the most unpopular county in Ireland and his legacy will be the title,puke football.Sad,but surely his time is up.
If I was you I would worry more about were money bags might take Armagh over the next few years instead of worrying about Mickeys legacy of 3 All Ireland senior titles national league titles ulsters All Ireland U21 and minor titles. I think Mickeys achievements will stand the test of time. Money bags on the other hand may not.
Never mind Tony he's just trolling. Mickey Harte is as good a football manager as I have seen in my life time, he is certainly up there with O'Dwyer and Heffernan. Harte has had to manage talented group of players, but by no means has he ever had the resource of talent available to Kerry and the Dubs in the 70's and 80's and Tyrone's success is very much down to him. As a father I can only but be sympathetic to him in his loss and understand his sense of grievance when a clown in the national broadcaster makes such a crass and tasteless joke. That said you can't hold that against the whole of RTE and sponsors for good or evil need exposure, that's how it works. There is no reason why Mickey can't hold on to his principle of not talking to RTE whilst allowing others to do so. If his tenure depends on him having a veto over this then perhaps it is best for all if he retires with grace. Some one will always step in to the breech, it may not immediately be the manager fans want, but they will get the right one eventually. A bit like Armagh really, Geezer was the fans choice and wisely the County Board have allowed him a shot at it. How successful he can be is somewhat in doubt but time will tell.
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 05, 2015, 12:24:32 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on September 05, 2015, 12:17:22 AM
He has to be interviewed for the job for next year.
That a feckin disgrace
Why is it a disgrace? Surely his employers are entitled to review the year, his term is at an end and if it is to be extended they will obviously need to set the ground rules.
His employers?
His term is up, but he has indicated he wants to stay on. Why on earth would you interview him? So, Mickey, what experience have you in football?
These interviews, or 'reviews' are often a pretext for getting rid of a manager.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2015, 02:20:37 PM
His employers?
His term is up, but he has indicated he wants to stay on. Why on earth would you interview him? So, Mickey, what experience have you in football?
These interviews, or 'reviews' are often a pretext for getting rid of a manager.
Probably to be assured that he will allow his backroom team to fulfil media obligations. Perhaps there are other issues not yet aired which the board need assurances on.
That doesn't need to be, or publicised as, an interview. It's demeaning that he would have to interview for his job. Who used the term 'interview'? By all means have a chat with him to plan 2016, and if big issues arise then, so be it, but to say you are interviewing him is a calculated insult in my opinion.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
That doesn't need to be, or publicised as, an interview. It's demeaning that he would have to interview for his job. Who used the term 'interview'? By all means have a chat with him to plan 2016, and if big issues arise then, so be it, but to say you are interviewing him is a calculated insult in my opinion.
Perhaps you are right, but I suspect there is more going on, anyway it's Tyrone problem, we've enough of our own in Armagh.
And you can sing that. I hope he does resign and discovers a deep love for Offaly, or failing that, Tipp.
Tyrone only giving Harte one year and we gave Carew two years!!!! There is no sense in this world.
If Harte has too much power it's because he has earned it. Frankly, you could have worse people with "too much power". If some talented players aren't getting their chance I'm sure if they talked to him and did what he asked they'd come up the pecking order. You don't have people cribbing in Kilkenny about lads not getting a chance and undermining Cody.
If ye get rid of Harte ye will regret it for ages. Better the let the man stay on for a couple of years too many than disrespect him after all he has done and all he has been through. Especially when there is no proven manager in waiting.
It's interesting that comparisons with O'Dwyer, Boylan, Kernan and McGrath are being made on this thread.
The thing with those men is that as well as reaching the peaks, they each also presided over the significant decline of their counties.
Harte hasn't done that.
Apart from the hiding in Killarney a couple of years ago, Tyrone have been reasonably ultra competitive in every Championship match they've played since 2008, and have played in the latter stages at Croke Park in the majority of those seasons.
I know different people have different levels of expectations, and everyone has their own perspectives in life, but surely not even the most blinkered of Tyrone men actually believes they've underachieved in the past few years? We've just been through a half a decade of the best Donegal team that county has produced, the best Monaghan side in their history, possibly the best Mayo team they've ever produced, and maybe even the best Dublin team ever produced, while Kerry have continued to be Kerry. Winning a trophy in among that lot needed an exceptionally talented group of players, which isn't what Tyrone have had during this time.
Four words, Eastmeath after Sean Boylan. That is your potential future right there Tyrone.
Havent beaten a top team in championship since 2008 unless you think Monaghan is a top team :-\
Pretty soon you'll be loosing to the middling teams. Could you see Eastmeath loosing to the Limerick's or Wexford's of this world 10 years ago?
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 07, 2015, 03:10:02 PM
Four words, Eastmeath after Sean Boylan. That is your potential future right there Tyrone.
Speaking of the unspeakables, I didnt see the game, but had Meath received the soft penalty instead of Tyrone in that match, that could have changed everything.
Small margins and all that.
And it's good to be good, but it's better to be lucky!
(I realise a lot of luck is earned - by being in the right place to take advantage of it)
From the outside it is difficult to fathom why Tyrone would want rid of Harte. But there are seemingly good judges who hold that opinion.
Johnny Giles often tells the story of Charlton Ath fans wanting rid of Alan Curbishley because they were sick of finishing mid table in the Premier League. They persuaded the chairman to get rid of him, and now Charlton don't finish mid table in the Premier League anymore!
Are Tyrone sick of losing semi-finals?
Quote from: Hound on September 07, 2015, 04:04:55 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 07, 2015, 03:10:02 PM
Four words, Eastmeath after Sean Boylan. That is your potential future right there Tyrone.
Speaking of the unspeakables, I didnt see the game, but had Meath received the soft penalty instead of Tyrone in that match, that could have changed everything.
Small margins and all that.
And it's good to be good, but it's better to be lucky!
(I realise a lot of luck is earned - by being in the right place to take advantage of it)
From the outside it is difficult to fathom why Tyrone would want rid of Harte. But there are seemingly good judges who hold that opinion.
Johnny Giles often tells the story of Charlton Ath fans wanting rid of Alan Curbishley because they were sick of finishing mid table in the Premier League. They persuaded the chairman to get rid of him, and now Charlton don't finish mid table in the Premier League anymore!
Are Tyrone sick of losing semi-finals?
That's another great example Hound (Charlton & Curbishley). I didn't see the Tyrone Eastmeath game either but I believe Tyrone were well below par in that game.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 07, 2015, 04:14:11 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 07, 2015, 04:04:55 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 07, 2015, 03:10:02 PM
Four words, Eastmeath after Sean Boylan. That is your potential future right there Tyrone.
Speaking of the unspeakables, I didnt see the game, but had Meath received the soft penalty instead of Tyrone in that match, that could have changed everything.
Small margins and all that.
And it's good to be good, but it's better to be lucky!
(I realise a lot of luck is earned - by being in the right place to take advantage of it)
From the outside it is difficult to fathom why Tyrone would want rid of Harte. But there are seemingly good judges who hold that opinion.
Johnny Giles often tells the story of Charlton Ath fans wanting rid of Alan Curbishley because they were sick of finishing mid table in the Premier League. They persuaded the chairman to get rid of him, and now Charlton don't finish mid table in the Premier League anymore!
Are Tyrone sick of losing semi-finals?
That's another great example Hound (Charlton & Curbishley). I didn't see the Tyrone Eastmeath game either but I believe Tyrone were well below par in that game.
The one thing going in Tyrone's favour versus Charlton, is they probably won't pick Iain Dowie as the new manager to take them to the next level ;D
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
That doesn't need to be, or publicised as, an interview. It's demeaning that he would have to interview for his job. Who used the term 'interview'? By all means have a chat with him to plan 2016, and if big issues arise then, so be it, but to say you are interviewing him is a calculated insult in my opinion.
Agree totally.
Did Tyroen not take trimmings to Mayo and Cork in recnet years since 2008 and just down in Kerry
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 07, 2015, 11:13:38 PM
Did Tyroen not take trimmings to Mayo and Cork in recnet years since 2008 and just down in Kerry
I think they lost by 5 or 6 points in those games.
~Crazy the way Harte being treated.
Your one..."so Mickey, what do you know about football, what are your plans?"
Cheeky get. Unreal.com
PPL need to be seriously careful with what they wish for----they do not have Peter Canavan, S O'Neill, Mugsy, Ricey, Dooher, Cavlan, Philly Jordan, Harte, Enda McGinley anymore. Most of those players are once in a generation stuff---Mickey is not outstaying his welcome--he simply hasn't the tools anymore and is making a fine effort with the tools he now has.
This sack the manager shite comes from English Premier League watching
Even here in Antrim, we should never have got rid of Baker Bradley---he ruled with an iron fist and that is what's needed in a discipline free county like ours--boys wanting him out when he presided over an Ulster Final appearance and a win v Fermanagh in championship last year. Yes he annoyed some but better than what we have now, pandering to boys who half train etc
Mickey rules with an iron fist too---absolute madness to want him out or treat him with such disrespect--
-interviewing Mickey Harte????!
Jesus wept.
I do not really get why so many think Harte should be automatically allowed to continue as Tyrone manager Ad infinitum. It is the job of the county board to assess what they think is the best for the county. The easy way for them would be to let Harte continue without question. But surely they are right to ask about the RTE ban, to discuss sponsors concerns, to address the reasons for the adverse publicity that followed Tyrone this year, to question the availability of county players for their all county league and to ask why so many players felt the need to leave the panel this year. They would be failing in their duty not to do so.
Personally I feel Harte will get to continue if he wishes to do so. My only hope is that he is less successful than in the past. ;)
Quote from: Gold on September 08, 2015, 12:22:31 PM
~Crazy the way Harte being treated.
Your one..."so Mickey, what do you know about football, what are your plans?"
Cheeky get. Unreal.com
PPL need to be seriously careful with what they wish for----they do not have Peter Canavan, S O'Neill, Mugsy, Ricey, Dooher, Cavlan, Philly Jordan, Harte, Enda McGinley anymore. Most of those players are once in a generation stuff---Mickey is not outstaying his welcome--he simply hasn't the tools anymore and is making a fine effort with the tools he now has.
This sack the manager shite comes from English Premier League watching
Even here in Antrim, we should never have got rid of Baker Bradley---he ruled with an iron fist and that is what's needed in a discipline free county like ours--boys wanting him out when he presided over an Ulster Final appearance and a win v Fermanagh in championship last year. Yes he annoyed some but better than what we have now, pandering to boys who half train etc
Mickey rules with an iron fist too---absolute madness to want him out or treat him with such disrespect--
-interviewing Mickey Harte????!
Jesus wept.
He wasn't being interviewed.
No one was or can be sacked.
Mickey says on Today FM that reports about what is going on are fairly wide off the mark, he's sitting down to discuss things with the County board very soon and fully expects to be in charge next year.
Seems like things have been blown out of proportion a bit.
http://www.todayfm.com/Mickey-Harte-on-Championship-Sunday-
Wee lesson for everyone in PR. County board and mickey will have learned a little more about when to talk and when not to. Truth is you can't feed the press a small chicken as they'll make a large horse out of it
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 08, 2015, 10:46:47 PM
Mickey says on Today FM that reports about what is going on are fairly wide off the mark, he's sitting down to discuss things with the County board very soon and fully expects to be in charge next year.
Seems like things have been blown out of proportion a bit.
http://www.todayfm.com/Mickey-Harte-on-Championship-Sunday-
"Man in centre of media storm says it's blow out of proportion shocker!!"
Yeah Mickey Harte is going to come out all guns blazing slagging off the sponsors, Roisin Jordan, the Tyrone Clubs. . . not a chance!! There are big issues going on behind the scenes but I'm sure it'll all get sorted in due course
The RTE ban has misfired badly. The idea that players are so on board is seriously undermined by players who finish their careers and go straight onto RTE programs. That would suggest the players don't feel strongly about not speaking to RTE. It would also indicate they don't really have a choice in the matter. It deprives them an opportunity for promotion, sponsors and even career offers. Meanwhile Mickey promotes SKY and it is obvious where that is going...
Quote from: longballin on September 09, 2015, 11:35:30 AM
The RTE ban has misfired badly. The idea that players are so on board is seriously undermined by players who finish their careers and go straight onto RTE programs. That would suggest the players don't feel strongly about not speaking to RTE. It would also indicate they don't really have a choice in the matter. It deprives them an opportunity for promotion, sponsors and even career offers. Meanwhile Mickey promotes SKY and it is obvious where that is going...
lols
Hartes not the saint a lot of people think he is. Earlier this year, county chairwoman Roisin Jordan was in the changing rooms after a league game in omagh. She asked one of the players to do an interview with somebody from the media. Harte told her to get the f**k out of the room... This happened!
He has too much power , he runs everything in the county , he is answerable to NO ONE.
This shows a severe lack of respect .
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 09, 2015, 09:15:13 PM
Hartes not the saint a lot of people think he is. Earlier this year, county chairwoman Roisin Jordan was in the changing rooms after a league game in omagh. She asked one of the players to do an interview with somebody from the media. Harte told her to get the f**k out of the room... This happened!
He has too much power , he runs everything in the county , he is answerable to NO ONE.
This shows a severe lack of respect .
The fact that virtually everyone who has worked with Mickey Harte comments about his lack of bad language and exemplary manners, throws doubt on the rest of your story.
However assuming that some parts of your story is true, then what was she doing in the changing room after a game? Imagine your coming outta the shower about to grab your towel and between you and are towel is Roisin moppin around bugging one of your team mates who's trying to get togged in....
I'd be telling her to get to fcuk!
It happened , 100% it happened. She's the county chairwoman. She deserves more respect than that.
I'd imagine all players were changed by the time she entered....
Paddy Tally might beg to differ, but sure never let the truth get in the way of a good story...
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 09, 2015, 09:35:52 PM
It happened , 100% it happened. She's the county chairwoman. She deserves more respect than that.
I'd imagine all players were changed by the time she entered....
If that happened, Mickey was right, She has no business there whether she is county chairperson or not. I'd of done same.
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 09, 2015, 09:47:03 PM
Paddy Tally might beg to differ, but sure never let the truth get in the way of a good story...
Hmm....Your the one with the story so..
Quote from: Rodman on September 09, 2015, 10:00:15 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 09, 2015, 09:35:52 PM
It happened , 100% it happened. She's the county chairwoman. She deserves more respect than that.
I'd imagine all players were changed by the time she entered....
If that happened, Mickey was right, She has no business there whether she is county chairperson or not. I'd of done same.
100% agree. The county chairperson doesn't walk into the changing room and start making demands of the players after a game. Shows massive inexperience on her behalf and calls into question her judgement in my view.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 09, 2015, 11:30:50 PM
Quote from: Rodman on September 09, 2015, 10:00:15 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 09, 2015, 09:35:52 PM
It happened , 100% it happened. She's the county chairwoman. She deserves more respect than that.
I'd imagine all players were changed by the time she entered....
If that happened, Mickey was right, She has no business there whether she is county chairperson or not. I'd of done same.
100% agree. The county chairperson doesn't walk into the changing room and start making demands of the players after a game. Shows massive inexperience on her behalf and calls into question her judgement in my view.
He said she asked one of the players ffs. 'Demands'. My God.
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 09, 2015, 09:35:52 PM
It happened , 100% it happened. She's the county chairwoman. She deserves more respect than that.
I'd imagine all players were changed by the time she entered....
lol. So what even if they weren't? most of those lads are in good shape and nothing to be ashamed of ;D
I thought the puritans were on the other side ::)
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 09, 2015, 11:30:50 PM
Quote from: Rodman on September 09, 2015, 10:00:15 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 09, 2015, 09:35:52 PM
It happened , 100% it happened. She's the county chairwoman. She deserves more respect than that.
I'd imagine all players were changed by the time she entered....
If that happened, Mickey was right, She has no business there whether she is county chairperson or not. I'd of done same.
100% agree. The county chairperson doesn't walk into the changing room and start making demands of the players after a game. Shows massive inexperience on her behalf and calls into question her judgement in my view.
It was a very reasonable demand. The players are very well looked after and a few media demands to keep the sponsors happy shouldn't be an issue to cause a row.
Does anybody actually know the full and real story with Paddy Tally?
At last a county chairperson standing up to Mickey Harte! :)
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 10:08:46 AM
At last a county chairperson standing up to Mickey Harte! :)
You're all talking like Mickey is some sort or baddie----he brought you to the promised land---3 AI Titles FFS!!
And the Chairperson should not be near the changing room--I'd have told her to get the F out too --smacks of a woman who's an egomaniac --even that TV show/piece on the Sports News or whatever it was would tell you as much
He did... so did the most talented group of players we ever had.
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 11:13:23 AM
He did... so did the most talented group of players we ever had.
Who would you prefer in as manager in his stead?
No doubting Harte's management skills but way he has treated people has been less impressive. I'd like to see Canavan/Tally..
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Quote from: cadhlancian on September 09, 2015, 09:35:52 PM
It happened , 100% it happened. She's the county chairwoman. She deserves more respect than that.
I'd imagine all players were changed by the time she entered....
If that happened, Mickey was right, She has no business there whether she is county chairperson or not. I'd of done same.
100% agree. The county chairperson doesn't walk into the changing room and start making demands of the players after a game. Shows massive inexperience on her behalf and calls into question her judgement in my view.
It was a very reasonable demand. The players are very well looked after and a few media demands to keep the sponsors happy shouldn't be an issue to cause a row.
They don't boycott the media, just one broadcaster in general who have a track record in not being fair or sincere regards Tyrone GAA so I have no issue with Mickey Harte or the players telling them to shove it. More power to them.
The problem for me is what would seem to be meddling from county board officials. Tyrone refusing to deal with RTE has its merits and I don't think it is the right thing to do.
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 11:38:28 AM
No doubting Harte's management skills but way he has treated people has been less impressive. I'd like to see Canavan/Tally..
be careful for what you wish for
The big GAA purists here don't seem to realise the cost in running county teams and underage structures today. They are phenominal, an agreement was made to speak to the media. If we don't have the money from sponsors (who aren't lining up anymore then all sections of the county gaa are affected.
On the first night she called at the door of the changing room and asked if a player was available to come out to speak as agreed. She didn't bust in or start shouting demands. She was told where to go! It created bad blood all year with the sponsor. These are business men, if you make an agreement you stick to it.
Mickey is obviously the right man for the job and 100% behind him BUT if he wants the money to run his team like he needs to then he needs to keep the sponsors happy. I couldn't care less about RTE but if it is effecting the future of the GAA in Tyrone then it needs to be addressed.
Listen he will stay and rightfully so but the issue needs ironed out now. CB are acting correctly for once. Would everyone calm down!
Quote from: redhandefender on September 10, 2015, 03:55:12 PM
The big GAA purists here don't seem to realise the cost in running county teams and underage structures today. They are phenominal, an agreement was made to speak to the media. If we don't have the money from sponsors (who aren't lining up anymore then all sections of the county gaa are affected.
On the first night she called at the door of the changing room and asked if a player was available to come out to speak as agreed. She didn't bust in or start shouting demands. She was told where to go! It created bad blood all year with the sponsor. These are business men, if you make an agreement you stick to it.
Mickey is obviously the right man for the job and 100% behind him BUT if he wants the money to run his team like he needs to then he needs to keep the sponsors happy. I couldn't care less about RTE but if it is effecting the future of the GAA in Tyrone then it needs to be addressed.
Listen he will stay and rightfully so but the issue needs ironed out now. CB are acting correctly for once. Would everyone calm down!
RTE are not the only media outlet and they've had no problem laying the boot in on us unfairly overy the years so f**k them.
Quote from: redhandefender on September 10, 2015, 03:55:12 PM
The big GAA purists here don't seem to realise the cost in running county teams and underage structures today. They are phenominal, an agreement was made to speak to the media. If we don't have the money from sponsors (who aren't lining up anymore then all sections of the county gaa are affected.
On the first night she called at the door of the changing room and asked if a player was available to come out to speak as agreed. She didn't bust in or start shouting demands. She was told where to go! It created bad blood all year with the sponsor. These are business men, if you make an agreement you stick to it.
Mickey is obviously the right man for the job and 100% behind him BUT if he wants the money to run his team like he needs to then he needs to keep the sponsors happy. I couldn't care less about RTE but if it is effecting the future of the GAA in Tyrone then it needs to be addressed.
Listen he will stay and rightfully so but the issue needs ironed out now. CB are acting correctly for once. Would everyone calm down!
What was agreed?
has been a trail of media outlets not spoken to since Harte took over...
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 05:03:52 PM
has been a trail of media outlets not spoken to since Harte took over...
And we also speak to/engage with plenty of others.
if they bow and don't question him at all... Tyrone Times, The Star also were blacklisted and Tyrone radio show told no co-operation from manager and team unless they removed Noel McGinn who questioned the selection of player in back line
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 08:21:00 PM
if they bow and don't question him at all... Tyrone Times, The Star also were blacklisted and Tyrone radio show told no co-operation from manager and team unless they removed Noel McGinn who questioned the selection of player in back line
Strange as Harte has no problem talking with Teamtalk who McGinn is heavily involved with.
Heard way back that Harte had a share in team-talk, not sure how true it is. Never seems to be any bother with anybody doing an interview with them.
noel very forgiving
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 10, 2015, 04:12:22 PM
RTE are not the only media outlet and they've had no problem laying the boot in on us unfairly overy the years so f**k them.
That's a lot easier for spectators to say. They don't pay the bills. The sponsors do. They aren't parting with their cash out of the goodness of their hearts. They are parting with it, as sponsoring a team brings exposure for their products and brands.
RTE provides the biggest platform in the country for that. So if you deny the sponsors that opportunity, that will lessen their willingness to part with the cash, at the levels that they did before. Why wouldn't they, if they don't feel they are getting bang for their buck? If that means that additional nutritionists or physios can't be hired, or training trips away can't be paid for, will the RTE boycott still have the support that it does now?
I'm entirely neutral on all this. I couldn't care less who MH does or doesn't speak to, but I get that running an intercounty team is a major financial undertaking. We fans can tell anyone that pisses us off to get lost. The county boards have to pay the bills. They don't have that luxury.
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 10, 2015, 04:12:22 PM
RTE are not the only media outlet and they've had no problem laying the boot in on us unfairly overy the years so f**k them.
That's a lot easier for spectators to say. They don't pay the bills. The sponsors do. They aren't parting with their cash out of the goodness of their hearts. They are parting with it, as sponsoring a team brings exposure for their products and brands.
RTE provides the biggest platform in the country for that. So if you deny the sponsors that opportunity, that will lessen their willingness to part with the cash, at the levels that they did before. Why wouldn't they, if they don't feel they are getting bang for their buck? If that means that additional nutritionists or physios can't be hired, or training trips away can't be paid for, will the RTE boycott still have the support that it does now?
I'm entirely neutral on all this. I couldn't care less who MH does or doesn't speak to, but I get that running an intercounty team is a major financial undertaking. We fans can tell anyone that pisses us off to get lost. The county boards have to pay the bills. They don't have that luxury.
Do RTE blur out the sponsors logo on the Tyrone jerseys for the 70+ minutes the game takes place?
No, they don't. I find it bizarre the rationale behind this. Where was the sponsorship pressure when Armagh went on an extended run last year when they imposed a boycott on all media outlets? It wasn't there, presumably because the sponsors were more than happy with the team exceeding expectations at the start of the year and getting more exposure as a result.
Quote from: redhandefender on September 10, 2015, 03:55:12 PM
The big GAA purists here don't seem to realise the cost in running county teams and underage structures today. They are phenominal, an agreement was made to speak to the media. If we don't have the money from sponsors (who aren't lining up anymore then all sections of the county gaa are affected.
On the first night she called at the door of the changing room and asked if a player was available to come out to speak as agreed. She didn't bust in or start shouting demands. She was told where to go! It created bad blood all year with the sponsor. These are business men, if you make an agreement you stick to it.
Mickey is obviously the right man for the job and 100% behind him BUT if he wants the money to run his team like he needs to then he needs to keep the sponsors happy. I couldn't care less about RTE but if it is effecting the future of the GAA in Tyrone then it needs to be addressed.
Listen he will stay and rightfully so but the issue needs ironed out now. CB are acting correctly for once. Would everyone calm down!
I heard she barged into the changing room as all the lads were coming out of the shower and demanded press interviews there & then. It's a tactic she had successfully used with the camogie and ladies football teams in the past.
aoron dont think to many media outlets be lining up for camogie interviews
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 10, 2015, 10:35:34 PM
No, they don't. I find it bizarre the rationale behind this. Where was the sponsorship pressure when Armagh went on an extended run last year when they imposed a boycott on all media outlets? It wasn't there, presumably because the sponsors were more than happy with the team exceeding expectations at the start of the year and getting more exposure as a result.
My understanding is that there was indeed a significant level of disquiet from the team sponsor.
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Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
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Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
Totally agree, the county board are the ones caught in the middle trying to keep the sponsors on board. If the sponsors walk then there is a huge financial hole to fill. Harte wouldn't be too happy if he was told there was to be no weekends away to bond, no overnight stays for away league games, less physios available and overall less medical support for the players. Sponsors pay huge money and one of the most attractive things is the after match interview, just look at any post match soccer interview on sky or match of the day and see how many companies logos are visible.
Was one player I know of at least were family had to contact RTE to get his Man of the Match award later that week.
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Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 11:06:15 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 11, 2015, 08:41:19 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 10, 2015, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
How naïve you are. Sponsors pouring £'000s into GAA teams expect every opportunity for exposure to be taken and that includes talking to the national TV station and in fact the biggest exposure possible comes from RTE given the limited viewer numbers on Sky.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 10, 2015, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
So no matter how many people say that there is pressure from the sponsers and give reasons why they believe that to be the case, youre just adamant that its all made up. Nobody is arguing that Harte is the best man for the job in a footballing sense, but he cannot have the final say on everything within the county. As has been stated a lot of money is needed to run a county team, McAleer and Rushe are putting a lot of money forward and arent getting the exposure they signed up for. An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management. This is why a 1 year deal is the best option, if he tows the line then im sure another year wouldnt be a problem.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 11:06:15 AM
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 10, 2015, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
Well quite simply you are wrong. You clearly don't understand the commercial world. Business men do not take kindly to broken agreements.
It will get ironed out now and things will be good to go next month!
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Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
So no matter how many people say that there is pressure from the sponsers and give reasons why they believe that to be the case, youre just adamant that its all made up. Nobody is arguing that Harte is the best man for the job in a footballing sense, but he cannot have the final say on everything within the county. As has been stated a lot of money is needed to run a county team, McAleer and Rushe are putting a lot of money forward and arent getting the exposure they signed up for. An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management. This is why a 1 year deal is the best option, if he tows the line then im sure another year wouldnt be a problem.
What promises?
Its very telling that prominant players as soon as they leave set up are prepared to work with RTE. surely it tells us that they have no choice in matter when playing for the senior team but as soon as they leave the decision is theirs ans they don't have any problem or issue. So if the players are willing to talk , the county board want talk then there is only one person stopping it. Not that he should sloe his job over it, but he needs to be told this is your job description, these are the duties. Are you happy with this. If there are bits you don't like we will have to put alternative arrangements in pace for example players talking to rte or backroom team. Either way I think a meeting will help iron all these issues out.
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Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
How naïve you are. Sponsors pouring £'000s into GAA teams expect every opportunity for exposure to be taken and that includes talking to the national TV station and in fact the biggest exposure possible comes from RTE given the limited viewer numbers on Sky.
I'm not naive at all. I think you and others are completely overstating their expectations. Your thinking seems to be them kicking up a fuss over them not getting 2 minutes airtime with Harte and some of the players. Tyrone are there taking part in a game for 70+ minutes at the business end of the Championship. McAleer and Rushe had 1 McKenna Cup, 5 National League games, 4 Championship games and 2 U21 games with televised coverage this year. Only 2 of them were live on RTE. How many other counties have got the exposure of Tyrone this year on television. I would be surprised if there are more.
I'm sure they are delighted with the exposure they have seen this year with Tyrone but guys like you are perfectly happy to go looking for problems when there are none. All this talk about sponsor pressure is absolute horseshit, there is no shred of evidence to it at all and it's being contrived by some as a proxy to attack Mickey Harte.
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Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
So no matter how many people say that there is pressure from the sponsers and give reasons why they believe that to be the case, youre just adamant that its all made up. Nobody is arguing that Harte is the best man for the job in a footballing sense, but he cannot have the final say on everything within the county. As has been stated a lot of money is needed to run a county team, McAleer and Rushe are putting a lot of money forward and arent getting the exposure they signed up for. An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management. This is why a 1 year deal is the best option, if he tows the line then im sure another year wouldnt be a problem.
Yes, simply because there is nothing more than bluster behind it. What do you know about the money McAleer and Rushe are putting forward?
They are sponsoring the Tyrone GAA team, the best exposure they can get is by Tyrone being successful, All Ireland U21 champions this year, All Ireland Senior semi-finalists. 12 live telelived games across senior and u21 football during the year. That's been fantastic exposure for them. Meanwhile you and others are on here trying to concoct ructions between the sponsors and their view on the team. Why would two minutes of air time be such a major issue for them with one broadcasters they don't co-operate with. RTE only covered two of those games this year.
So after a highly successful year for Tyrone during which McAleer and Rushe have received hundreds and hundreds of minutes of airtime with their brand and logo carried across TV stations, they are throwing the toys out of the prams because of the 5 minutes they would have lost to the two games covered on RTE this year?
Come back down to reality and look at what you're saying. If we do have sponsors who are behaving like that, which I don't for one second believe to be the case, then we're better off shot of them.
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Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
So no matter how many people say that there is pressure from the sponsers and give reasons why they believe that to be the case, youre just adamant that its all made up. Nobody is arguing that Harte is the best man for the job in a footballing sense, but he cannot have the final say on everything within the county. As has been stated a lot of money is needed to run a county team, McAleer and Rushe are putting a lot of money forward and arent getting the exposure they signed up for. An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management. This is why a 1 year deal is the best option, if he tows the line then im sure another year wouldnt be a problem.
What promises?
That players would be made available for interviews. Any current intercounty player will tell you that they have been told NOT to speak to RTE (maybe not directly by MH but by a member of his backroom team).
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Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
So no matter how many people say that there is pressure from the sponsers and give reasons why they believe that to be the case, youre just adamant that its all made up. Nobody is arguing that Harte is the best man for the job in a footballing sense, but he cannot have the final say on everything within the county. As has been stated a lot of money is needed to run a county team, McAleer and Rushe are putting a lot of money forward and arent getting the exposure they signed up for. An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management. This is why a 1 year deal is the best option, if he tows the line then im sure another year wouldnt be a problem.
Yes, simply because there is nothing more than bluster behind it. What do you know about the money McAleer and Rushe are putting forward?
They are sponsoring the Tyrone GAA team, the best exposure they can get is by Tyrone being successful, All Ireland U21 champions this year, All Ireland Senior semi-finalists. 12 live telelived games across senior and u21 football during the year. That's been fantastic exposure for them. Meanwhile you and others are on here trying to concoct ructions between the sponsors and their view on the team. Why would two minutes of air time be such a major issue for them with one broadcasters they don't co-operate with. RTE only covered two of those games this year.
So after a highly successful year for Tyrone during which McAleer and Rushe have received hundreds and hundreds of minutes of airtime with their brand and logo carried across TV stations, they are throwing the toys out of the prams because of the 5 minutes they would have lost to the two games covered on RTE this year?
Come back down to reality and look at what you're saying. If we do have sponsors who are behaving like that, which I don't for one second believe to be the case, then we're better off shot of them.
From what i hear they have already withheld some of the monies which they were due to pay as they feel contractual obligations have not been met. These 5 minutes of air time which you dismiss so easily are a big part of why the sponers would sign up in the 1st place, coverage of their name and Logo on the national broadcaster.
And if you seriously think i sit about and think of stories to concoct to somehow cause ructions (as you put it) then you are an extremly deluded individual. Maybe we just talk to different people.
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Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
So no matter how many people say that there is pressure from the sponsers and give reasons why they believe that to be the case, youre just adamant that its all made up. Nobody is arguing that Harte is the best man for the job in a footballing sense, but he cannot have the final say on everything within the county. As has been stated a lot of money is needed to run a county team, McAleer and Rushe are putting a lot of money forward and arent getting the exposure they signed up for. An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management. This is why a 1 year deal is the best option, if he tows the line then im sure another year wouldnt be a problem.
What promises?
That players would be made available for interviews. Any current intercounty player will tell you that they have been told NOT to speak to RTE (maybe not directly by MH but by a member of his backroom team).
But what promises have the management broken?
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Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
So no matter how many people say that there is pressure from the sponsers and give reasons why they believe that to be the case, youre just adamant that its all made up. Nobody is arguing that Harte is the best man for the job in a footballing sense, but he cannot have the final say on everything within the county. As has been stated a lot of money is needed to run a county team, McAleer and Rushe are putting a lot of money forward and arent getting the exposure they signed up for. An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management. This is why a 1 year deal is the best option, if he tows the line then im sure another year wouldnt be a problem.
Yes, simply because there is nothing more than bluster behind it. What do you know about the money McAleer and Rushe are putting forward?
They are sponsoring the Tyrone GAA team, the best exposure they can get is by Tyrone being successful, All Ireland U21 champions this year, All Ireland Senior semi-finalists. 12 live telelived games across senior and u21 football during the year. That's been fantastic exposure for them. Meanwhile you and others are on here trying to concoct ructions between the sponsors and their view on the team. Why would two minutes of air time be such a major issue for them with one broadcasters they don't co-operate with. RTE only covered two of those games this year.
So after a highly successful year for Tyrone during which McAleer and Rushe have received hundreds and hundreds of minutes of airtime with their brand and logo carried across TV stations, they are throwing the toys out of the prams because of the 5 minutes they would have lost to the two games covered on RTE this year?
Come back down to reality and look at what you're saying. If we do have sponsors who are behaving like that, which I don't for one second believe to be the case, then we're better off shot of them.
From what i hear they have already withheld some of the monies which they were due to pay as they feel contractual obligations have not been met. These 5 minutes of air time which you dismiss so easily are a big part of why the sponers would sign up in the 1st place, coverage of their name and Logo on the national broadcaster.
And if you seriously think i sit about and think of stories to concoct to somehow cause ructions (as you put it) then you are an extremly deluded individual. Maybe we just talk to different people.
From what you're hear, so loose talk and innuendo is what you're basing this one?
There has been nothing concrete at all to these murmurs about and I am of the firm belief they are only in place to somehow undermine Harte.
Tyrone had 12 televised games this year between u21 and senior, that's 10 matches of 70 mins + of their logo being all over the screen, 2 matches of 60 mins + of their logo being all over the screen. The broadcaster Harte doesn't speak with only covered two of the games. Instead of cribbing over the five minutes or so they missed out on RTE they should be delighted with the performance of Tyrone and coverage they have received as a result of their extended run in the Championship, the bonus of being associated with a winning U21 teams.
How many other sponsors have got the same level of exposure as McAleer and Rushe have got this year? 2 or 3 at most in the football season, it makes absolutely zero sense that the sponsors should be making such a big deal of a minute matter, they have got a very good return for their money.
Here's James Horan being interviewed by RTE. Where is there any sign of Elverys?
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Here's Jim Gavin, where does AIG feature?
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Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
So no matter how many people say that there is pressure from the sponsers and give reasons why they believe that to be the case, youre just adamant that its all made up. Nobody is arguing that Harte is the best man for the job in a footballing sense, but he cannot have the final say on everything within the county. As has been stated a lot of money is needed to run a county team, McAleer and Rushe are putting a lot of money forward and arent getting the exposure they signed up for. An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management. This is why a 1 year deal is the best option, if he tows the line then im sure another year wouldnt be a problem.
What promises?
That players would be made available for interviews. Any current intercounty player will tell you that they have been told NOT to speak to RTE (maybe not directly by MH but by a member of his backroom team).
But what promises have the management broken?
If you read what i posted you would have your answer.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 02:30:51 PM
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Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
So no matter how many people say that there is pressure from the sponsers and give reasons why they believe that to be the case, youre just adamant that its all made up. Nobody is arguing that Harte is the best man for the job in a footballing sense, but he cannot have the final say on everything within the county. As has been stated a lot of money is needed to run a county team, McAleer and Rushe are putting a lot of money forward and arent getting the exposure they signed up for. An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management. This is why a 1 year deal is the best option, if he tows the line then im sure another year wouldnt be a problem.
Yes, simply because there is nothing more than bluster behind it. What do you know about the money McAleer and Rushe are putting forward?
They are sponsoring the Tyrone GAA team, the best exposure they can get is by Tyrone being successful, All Ireland U21 champions this year, All Ireland Senior semi-finalists. 12 live telelived games across senior and u21 football during the year. That's been fantastic exposure for them. Meanwhile you and others are on here trying to concoct ructions between the sponsors and their view on the team. Why would two minutes of air time be such a major issue for them with one broadcasters they don't co-operate with. RTE only covered two of those games this year.
So after a highly successful year for Tyrone during which McAleer and Rushe have received hundreds and hundreds of minutes of airtime with their brand and logo carried across TV stations, they are throwing the toys out of the prams because of the 5 minutes they would have lost to the two games covered on RTE this year?
Come back down to reality and look at what you're saying. If we do have sponsors who are behaving like that, which I don't for one second believe to be the case, then we're better off shot of them.
From what i hear they have already withheld some of the monies which they were due to pay as they feel contractual obligations have not been met. These 5 minutes of air time which you dismiss so easily are a big part of why the sponers would sign up in the 1st place, coverage of their name and Logo on the national broadcaster.
And if you seriously think i sit about and think of stories to concoct to somehow cause ructions (as you put it) then you are an extremly deluded individual. Maybe we just talk to different people.
From what you're hear, so loose talk and innuendo is what you're basing this one?
There has been nothing concrete at all to these murmurs about and I am of the firm belief they are only in place to somehow undermine Harte.
Tyrone had 12 televised games this year between u21 and senior, that's 10 matches of 70 mins + of their logo being all over the screen, 2 matches of 60 mins + of their logo being all over the screen. The broadcaster Harte doesn't speak with only covered two of the games. Instead of cribbing over the five minutes or so they missed out on RTE they should be delighted with the performance of Tyrone and coverage they have received as a result of their extended run in the Championship, the bonus of being associated with a winning U21 teams.
How many other sponsors have got the same level of exposure as McAleer and Rushe have got this year? 2 or 3 at most in the football season, it makes absolutely zero sense that the sponsors should be making such a big deal of a minute matter, they have got a very good return for their money.
Here's James Horan being interviewed by RTE. Where is there any sign of Elverys?
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VkENUHTqRZw/maxresdefault.jpg)
Here's Jim Gavin, where does AIG feature?
(http://media.balls.ie/YToyOntzOjQ6ImRhdGEiO3M6MjYyOiJhOjQ6e3M6MzoidXJsIjtzOjExMjoiaHR0cDovL3MzLWV1LXdlc3QtMS5hbWF6b25hd3MuY29tL3N0b3JhZ2UucHVibGlzaGVycGx1cy5pZS9tZWRpYS5iYWxscy5pZS91cGxvYWRzLzIwMTUvMDUvMzExNzA0MjcvQ2FwdHVyZTc0LmpwZyI7czo1OiJ3aWR0aCI7aTo2NDc7czo2OiJoZWlnaHQiO2k6MzQwO3M6NzoiZGVmYXVsdCI7czo2NjoiaHR0cDovL3N0YWdpbmcud3d3LmJhbGxzLmllLnB1Ymxpc2hlcnBsdXMuaWUvYXNzZXRzL2kvbm8taW1hZ2UucG5nIjt9IjtzOjQ6Imhhc2giO3M6NDA6IjM2NzU1OTUzOWU4MmMyMzFlZTlkODVjOGFjYjUxMzdmOTJjNzY4ZjQiO30=/capture74.jpg)
There are plenty of pics online where they are clearly wearing their sponsers logos and names, you chose 2 where they were not. I dont have a clue how too post pictures on this.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 10, 2015, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
So no matter how many people say that there is pressure from the sponsers and give reasons why they believe that to be the case, youre just adamant that its all made up. Nobody is arguing that Harte is the best man for the job in a footballing sense, but he cannot have the final say on everything within the county. As has been stated a lot of money is needed to run a county team, McAleer and Rushe are putting a lot of money forward and arent getting the exposure they signed up for. An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management. This is why a 1 year deal is the best option, if he tows the line then im sure another year wouldnt be a problem.
What promises?
That players would be made available for interviews. Any current intercounty player will tell you that they have been told NOT to speak to RTE (maybe not directly by MH but by a member of his backroom team).
But what promises have the management broken?
If you read what i posted you would have your answer.
I can read perfectly well. You said:
An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management.and
That players would be made available for interviewsYou haven't ever clarified what promises were made or broken by management.
Did the management make an agreement at the start of the year?
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Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
So no matter how many people say that there is pressure from the sponsers and give reasons why they believe that to be the case, youre just adamant that its all made up. Nobody is arguing that Harte is the best man for the job in a footballing sense, but he cannot have the final say on everything within the county. As has been stated a lot of money is needed to run a county team, McAleer and Rushe are putting a lot of money forward and arent getting the exposure they signed up for. An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management. This is why a 1 year deal is the best option, if he tows the line then im sure another year wouldnt be a problem.
Yes, simply because there is nothing more than bluster behind it. What do you know about the money McAleer and Rushe are putting forward?
They are sponsoring the Tyrone GAA team, the best exposure they can get is by Tyrone being successful, All Ireland U21 champions this year, All Ireland Senior semi-finalists. 12 live telelived games across senior and u21 football during the year. That's been fantastic exposure for them. Meanwhile you and others are on here trying to concoct ructions between the sponsors and their view on the team. Why would two minutes of air time be such a major issue for them with one broadcasters they don't co-operate with. RTE only covered two of those games this year.
So after a highly successful year for Tyrone during which McAleer and Rushe have received hundreds and hundreds of minutes of airtime with their brand and logo carried across TV stations, they are throwing the toys out of the prams because of the 5 minutes they would have lost to the two games covered on RTE this year?
Come back down to reality and look at what you're saying. If we do have sponsors who are behaving like that, which I don't for one second believe to be the case, then we're better off shot of them.
From what i hear they have already withheld some of the monies which they were due to pay as they feel contractual obligations have not been met. These 5 minutes of air time which you dismiss so easily are a big part of why the sponers would sign up in the 1st place, coverage of their name and Logo on the national broadcaster.
And if you seriously think i sit about and think of stories to concoct to somehow cause ructions (as you put it) then you are an extremly deluded individual. Maybe we just talk to different people.
From what you're hear, so loose talk and innuendo is what you're basing this one?
There has been nothing concrete at all to these murmurs about and I am of the firm belief they are only in place to somehow undermine Harte.
Tyrone had 12 televised games this year between u21 and senior, that's 10 matches of 70 mins + of their logo being all over the screen, 2 matches of 60 mins + of their logo being all over the screen. The broadcaster Harte doesn't speak with only covered two of the games. Instead of cribbing over the five minutes or so they missed out on RTE they should be delighted with the performance of Tyrone and coverage they have received as a result of their extended run in the Championship, the bonus of being associated with a winning U21 teams.
How many other sponsors have got the same level of exposure as McAleer and Rushe have got this year? 2 or 3 at most in the football season, it makes absolutely zero sense that the sponsors should be making such a big deal of a minute matter, they have got a very good return for their money.
Here's James Horan being interviewed by RTE. Where is there any sign of Elverys?
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VkENUHTqRZw/maxresdefault.jpg)
Here's Jim Gavin, where does AIG feature?
(http://media.balls.ie/YToyOntzOjQ6ImRhdGEiO3M6MjYyOiJhOjQ6e3M6MzoidXJsIjtzOjExMjoiaHR0cDovL3MzLWV1LXdlc3QtMS5hbWF6b25hd3MuY29tL3N0b3JhZ2UucHVibGlzaGVycGx1cy5pZS9tZWRpYS5iYWxscy5pZS91cGxvYWRzLzIwMTUvMDUvMzExNzA0MjcvQ2FwdHVyZTc0LmpwZyI7czo1OiJ3aWR0aCI7aTo2NDc7czo2OiJoZWlnaHQiO2k6MzQwO3M6NzoiZGVmYXVsdCI7czo2NjoiaHR0cDovL3N0YWdpbmcud3d3LmJhbGxzLmllLnB1Ymxpc2hlcnBsdXMuaWUvYXNzZXRzL2kvbm8taW1hZ2UucG5nIjt9IjtzOjQ6Imhhc2giO3M6NDA6IjM2NzU1OTUzOWU4MmMyMzFlZTlkODVjOGFjYjUxMzdmOTJjNzY4ZjQiO30=/capture74.jpg)
You are completely clueless and have the business acumen of Del Boy Trotter. Concocting stories? wise up, you are the sensationalist one on here hyperventilating about the county board wanting to talk to a manager prior to giving him the hot seat for another year. There is no conspiracy theory or anyone making up anything. This issue is widely known in the media. As you clearly don't have a commercial brain cell out of the 2 you possess myself and a few others have tried to point out the singular glaring issue which needs addressed.
Its clears now it is not going in however so by replying I am adding to you blowing this thing out of proportion. Thanks God you aren't involved with the County Board.........or maybe you are....that would explain a few things
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Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
So no matter how many people say that there is pressure from the sponsers and give reasons why they believe that to be the case, youre just adamant that its all made up. Nobody is arguing that Harte is the best man for the job in a footballing sense, but he cannot have the final say on everything within the county. As has been stated a lot of money is needed to run a county team, McAleer and Rushe are putting a lot of money forward and arent getting the exposure they signed up for. An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management. This is why a 1 year deal is the best option, if he tows the line then im sure another year wouldnt be a problem.
What promises?
That players would be made available for interviews. Any current intercounty player will tell you that they have been told NOT to speak to RTE (maybe not directly by MH but by a member of his backroom team).
But what promises have the management broken?
If you read what i posted you would have your answer.
I can read perfectly well. You said:
An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management.
and
That players would be made available for interviews
You haven't ever clarified what promises were made or broken by management.
Did the management make an agreement at the start of the year?
YES. That players would be available for interview.
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Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
Not great for players profile either or chance of sponsorship deals. Why not let them speak and if Mickey doesn't want to speak to RTE so be it? I don't buy that players have decided, they know they can't step out of the line. Players speak to RTE after they leave the panel anyway
The players would seem to back their manager, I wouldn't imagine Sean Cavanagh would be too keen on giving RTE the time of day with the way he has been portrayed by some of their people over the years, nor would Tiernan McCann or Justin McMahon. Joe McMahon came out a couple of years back with a reminder to people the merits of why they don't speak.
The panel of players seem to be a very tight bunch and have a lot of respect and gratitude for Harte which is good to see. I'm pretty sure they're happy to be playing football and aren't too worried about dealing with RTE and would actually feel quite resentful towards them for how they have been depicted.
I think the nonsense being peddled by some here about pressure from sponsors is lads with some sort of axe to grind, I think Harte and the panel are doing the right thing on a matter of principle. RTE have treated the Harte family, Tyrone players and the wider Tyrone GAA community disgracefully so f**k them.
McAleer and Rushe have had plenty of exposure this year from a run to an All Ireland semi-final, I'm sure they're more than happy with that performance. Sad and disappointing to see some people using unconfirmed "sponsor pressure" as a proxy to push an agenda against Harte. How about they show some respect and understanding?
I think you will find I said Mickey is the man for the job and I fully support him staying put. But you are an absolutely deluded armchair fan if you don't understand the money needed today even at club level to compete.
Sponsors weren't happy, end off! You can say they got exposure....they got this.....they got that.... it doesn't matter! Sponsors are simply not lining up anymore and in order to get one a player needs to be available to speak to the media!
I am all for your "f**k the rest, c'mon tyrone" sentiments but in reality money talks and bulls**t walks. Start walking my friend
I am aware of the costs but I don't happen to believe all this "sponsor pressure" bluster that is being bandied about. I'm sure the sponsors are more than happy with the fact their logo and brand were carried by one of the top 4 teams in the country this year rather than missing out on a two minute air time after the game which most people have switched over.
I happen to believe there is no sponsor pressure and people are only using this to push their agenda against Harte.
So no matter how many people say that there is pressure from the sponsers and give reasons why they believe that to be the case, youre just adamant that its all made up. Nobody is arguing that Harte is the best man for the job in a footballing sense, but he cannot have the final say on everything within the county. As has been stated a lot of money is needed to run a county team, McAleer and Rushe are putting a lot of money forward and arent getting the exposure they signed up for. An agreement was made at the start of the year that players would speak to RTE, this never happened. Promises have been broken by the management. This is why a 1 year deal is the best option, if he tows the line then im sure another year wouldnt be a problem.
Yes, simply because there is nothing more than bluster behind it. What do you know about the money McAleer and Rushe are putting forward?
They are sponsoring the Tyrone GAA team, the best exposure they can get is by Tyrone being successful, All Ireland U21 champions this year, All Ireland Senior semi-finalists. 12 live telelived games across senior and u21 football during the year. That's been fantastic exposure for them. Meanwhile you and others are on here trying to concoct ructions between the sponsors and their view on the team. Why would two minutes of air time be such a major issue for them with one broadcasters they don't co-operate with. RTE only covered two of those games this year.
So after a highly successful year for Tyrone during which McAleer and Rushe have received hundreds and hundreds of minutes of airtime with their brand and logo carried across TV stations, they are throwing the toys out of the prams because of the 5 minutes they would have lost to the two games covered on RTE this year?
Come back down to reality and look at what you're saying. If we do have sponsors who are behaving like that, which I don't for one second believe to be the case, then we're better off shot of them.
From what i hear they have already withheld some of the monies which they were due to pay as they feel contractual obligations have not been met. These 5 minutes of air time which you dismiss so easily are a big part of why the sponers would sign up in the 1st place, coverage of their name and Logo on the national broadcaster.
And if you seriously think i sit about and think of stories to concoct to somehow cause ructions (as you put it) then you are an extremly deluded individual. Maybe we just talk to different people.
From what you're hear, so loose talk and innuendo is what you're basing this one?
There has been nothing concrete at all to these murmurs about and I am of the firm belief they are only in place to somehow undermine Harte.
Tyrone had 12 televised games this year between u21 and senior, that's 10 matches of 70 mins + of their logo being all over the screen, 2 matches of 60 mins + of their logo being all over the screen. The broadcaster Harte doesn't speak with only covered two of the games. Instead of cribbing over the five minutes or so they missed out on RTE they should be delighted with the performance of Tyrone and coverage they have received as a result of their extended run in the Championship, the bonus of being associated with a winning U21 teams.
How many other sponsors have got the same level of exposure as McAleer and Rushe have got this year? 2 or 3 at most in the football season, it makes absolutely zero sense that the sponsors should be making such a big deal of a minute matter, they have got a very good return for their money.
Here's James Horan being interviewed by RTE. Where is there any sign of Elverys?
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Here's Jim Gavin, where does AIG feature?
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You are completely clueless and have the business acumen of Del Boy Trotter. Concocting stories? wise up, you are the sensationalist one on here hyperventilating about the county board wanting to talk to a manager prior to giving him the hot seat for another year. There is no conspiracy theory or anyone making up anything. This issue is widely known in the media. As you clearly don't have a commercial brain cell out of the 2 you possess myself and a few others have tried to point out the singular glaring issue which needs addressed.
Its clears now it is not going in however so by replying I am adding to you blowing this thing out of proportion. Thanks God you aren't involved with the County Board.........or maybe you are....that would explain a few things
You seem to be the one completely clueless.
There is no concrete evidence that there is any problem with the sponsor, just loose talk from psuedo corporate honchos like yourself.
I would imagine the sponsors are much more concerned with other aspects of the business that micro-managing the cost effectiveness of a sponsorship deal they have. What you are effectively saying is that the sponsors are throwing their toys out of the pram because over four or five minutes of coverage they missed out on, which in a lot of cases don't even bear the sponsor logos of the team members being interviewed.
I am the one looking at this from a logical point of view, I would say McAleer and Rushe are happy enough with the exposure they have gotten off Tyrone this year for the money they have paid. I would not say they would be cribbing over five minutes of coverage with one broadcaster where their logo would probably not even be displayed.
But seeing as you envisage yourself as some sort of rural Donald Trump I will await your next corporate lesson.
are you thick? Concrete evidence, they aren't going to wash their dirty laundry in the public domain. You seem to be the only one in the county who doesn't know what's going on. Try buying something other than farmers weekly or your subscription to "conspiracy theories today".
Its a simple issue, but vital to the sponsor for a number of reasons. If you don't understand you don't understand fair enough. Its 4pm on a Friday I'm already on my computer too long, time to get a rub down from the secretary and crack open the bubbly. I'm sure its time for you to go and watch the X-files the truth is out there!
Quote from: redhandefender on September 11, 2015, 03:52:47 PM
are you thick? Concrete evidence, they aren't going to wash their dirty laundry in the public domain. You seem to be the only one in the county who doesn't know what's going on. Try buying something other than farmers weekly or your subscription to "conspiracy theories today".
Its a simple issue, but vital to the sponsor for a number of reasons. If you don't understand you don't understand fair enough. Its 4pm on a Friday I'm already on my computer too long, time to get a rub down from the secretary and crack open the bubbly. I'm sure its time for you to go and watch the X-files the truth is out there!
I think you're the one who has been watching too much X-Files when you're the one taking something without a shred of evidence as fact. You haven't been able to make any cognitive points as to why the sponsors would be putting so much pressure on in this regard.
- Tyrone had 12 games this year televised live, two of which were on RTE
- They won the All Ireland U21 Championship and reached the semis of the senior Championship
Is that not great exposure for McAleer and Rushe? Why would they be throwing the toys out of the pram over a probable sum total of five minutes of interviews with RTE where their logo in most likelihood won't even be visible as I've illustrated above? How about you address these points rather than passing off unqualified bluster as facts.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 06:09:27 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 11, 2015, 03:52:47 PM
are you thick? Concrete evidence, they aren't going to wash their dirty laundry in the public domain. You seem to be the only one in the county who doesn't know what's going on. Try buying something other than farmers weekly or your subscription to "conspiracy theories today".
Its a simple issue, but vital to the sponsor for a number of reasons. If you don't understand you don't understand fair enough. Its 4pm on a Friday I'm already on my computer too long, time to get a rub down from the secretary and crack open the bubbly. I'm sure its time for you to go and watch the X-files the truth is out there!
I think you're the one who has been watching too much X-Files when you're the one taking something without a shred of evidence as fact. You haven't been able to make any cognitive points as to why the sponsors would be putting so much pressure on in this regard.
- Tyrone had 12 games this year televised live, two of which were on RTE
- They won the All Ireland U21 Championship and reached the semis of the senior Championship
Is that not great exposure for McAleer and Rushe? Why would they be throwing the toys out of the pram over a probable sum total of five minutes of interviews with RTE where their logo in most likelihood won't even be visible as I've illustrated above? How about you address these points rather than passing off unqualified bluster as facts.
The post match interviews are the money shots. It's subliminal advertising. The logo is on the screen in a stationary position for several minutes while a manager or player is talking and the company is getting massive exposure. There's a massive difference between that and the logo on jerseys which are constantly moving at high speed and are barely registered by viewers. That's why post match soccer interviews on sky and match of the day have so many companies vying for advertising space.
Quote from: lenny on September 11, 2015, 06:18:59 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 06:09:27 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 11, 2015, 03:52:47 PM
are you thick? Concrete evidence, they aren't going to wash their dirty laundry in the public domain. You seem to be the only one in the county who doesn't know what's going on. Try buying something other than farmers weekly or your subscription to "conspiracy theories today".
Its a simple issue, but vital to the sponsor for a number of reasons. If you don't understand you don't understand fair enough. Its 4pm on a Friday I'm already on my computer too long, time to get a rub down from the secretary and crack open the bubbly. I'm sure its time for you to go and watch the X-files the truth is out there!
I think you're the one who has been watching too much X-Files when you're the one taking something without a shred of evidence as fact. You haven't been able to make any cognitive points as to why the sponsors would be putting so much pressure on in this regard.
- Tyrone had 12 games this year televised live, two of which were on RTE
- They won the All Ireland U21 Championship and reached the semis of the senior Championship
Is that not great exposure for McAleer and Rushe? Why would they be throwing the toys out of the pram over a probable sum total of five minutes of interviews with RTE where their logo in most likelihood won't even be visible as I've illustrated above? How about you address these points rather than passing off unqualified bluster as facts.
The post match interviews are the money shots. It's subliminal advertising. The logo is on the screen in a stationary position for several minutes while a manager or player is talking and the company is getting massive exposure. There's a massive difference between that and the logo on jerseys which are constantly moving at high speed and are barely registered by viewers. That's why post match soccer interviews on sky and match of the day have so many companies vying for advertising space.
That's not true, look at an interview with McGuinness here, the sponsors logo doesn't come into shot at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsA7gwN4DyI
Were Donegal Creameries shouting the odds at the Donegal County Board over the way their kits were designed and not showing their logo?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 11, 2015, 06:18:59 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 06:09:27 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 11, 2015, 03:52:47 PM
are you thick? Concrete evidence, they aren't going to wash their dirty laundry in the public domain. You seem to be the only one in the county who doesn't know what's going on. Try buying something other than farmers weekly or your subscription to "conspiracy theories today".
Its a simple issue, but vital to the sponsor for a number of reasons. If you don't understand you don't understand fair enough. Its 4pm on a Friday I'm already on my computer too long, time to get a rub down from the secretary and crack open the bubbly. I'm sure its time for you to go and watch the X-files the truth is out there!
I think you're the one who has been watching too much X-Files when you're the one taking something without a shred of evidence as fact. You haven't been able to make any cognitive points as to why the sponsors would be putting so much pressure on in this regard.
- Tyrone had 12 games this year televised live, two of which were on RTE
- They won the All Ireland U21 Championship and reached the semis of the senior Championship
Is that not great exposure for McAleer and Rushe? Why would they be throwing the toys out of the pram over a probable sum total of five minutes of interviews with RTE where their logo in most likelihood won't even be visible as I've illustrated above? How about you address these points rather than passing off unqualified bluster as facts.
The post match interviews are the money shots. It's subliminal advertising. The logo is on the screen in a stationary position for several minutes while a manager or player is talking and the company is getting massive exposure. There's a massive difference between that and the logo on jerseys which are constantly moving at high speed and are barely registered by viewers. That's why post match soccer interviews on sky and match of the day have so many companies vying for advertising space.
That's not true, look at an interview with McGuinness here, the sponsors logo doesn't come into shot at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsA7gwN4DyI
Were Donegal Creameries shouting the odds at the Donegal County Board over the way their kits were designed and not showing their logo?
It certainly is true, ask anyone who works in advertising. Donegal creameries may or may not have complained but they more than likely werent too happy. The point is companies pay a lot of money for the advertising and want max exposure. For Harte to continue his boycott of rte is one thing but to bully the players and backroom team into not appearing for interview is quite another. If the sponsors walk it will be very interesting to see how the county board deal with harte.
Quote from: lenny on September 11, 2015, 06:57:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 11, 2015, 06:18:59 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 06:09:27 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 11, 2015, 03:52:47 PM
are you thick? Concrete evidence, they aren't going to wash their dirty laundry in the public domain. You seem to be the only one in the county who doesn't know what's going on. Try buying something other than farmers weekly or your subscription to "conspiracy theories today".
Its a simple issue, but vital to the sponsor for a number of reasons. If you don't understand you don't understand fair enough. Its 4pm on a Friday I'm already on my computer too long, time to get a rub down from the secretary and crack open the bubbly. I'm sure its time for you to go and watch the X-files the truth is out there!
I think you're the one who has been watching too much X-Files when you're the one taking something without a shred of evidence as fact. You haven't been able to make any cognitive points as to why the sponsors would be putting so much pressure on in this regard.
- Tyrone had 12 games this year televised live, two of which were on RTE
- They won the All Ireland U21 Championship and reached the semis of the senior Championship
Is that not great exposure for McAleer and Rushe? Why would they be throwing the toys out of the pram over a probable sum total of five minutes of interviews with RTE where their logo in most likelihood won't even be visible as I've illustrated above? How about you address these points rather than passing off unqualified bluster as facts.
The post match interviews are the money shots. It's subliminal advertising. The logo is on the screen in a stationary position for several minutes while a manager or player is talking and the company is getting massive exposure. There's a massive difference between that and the logo on jerseys which are constantly moving at high speed and are barely registered by viewers. That's why post match soccer interviews on sky and match of the day have so many companies vying for advertising space.
That's not true, look at an interview with McGuinness here, the sponsors logo doesn't come into shot at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsA7gwN4DyI
Were Donegal Creameries shouting the odds at the Donegal County Board over the way their kits were designed and not showing their logo?
It certainly is true, ask anyone who works in advertising. Donegal creameries may or may not have complained but they more than likely werent too happy. The point is companies pay a lot of money for the advertising and want max exposure. For Harte to continue his boycott of rte is one thing but to bully the players and backroom team into not appearing for interview is quite another. If the sponsors walk it will be very interesting to see how the county board deal with harte.
The players would seem to support Harte on this matter, the truth for me is more that they have an awful lot of respect for Harte and that's probably the main reason they are in sync with it.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 07:05:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 11, 2015, 06:57:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 11, 2015, 06:18:59 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 06:09:27 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 11, 2015, 03:52:47 PM
are you thick? Concrete evidence, they aren't going to wash their dirty laundry in the public domain. You seem to be the only one in the county who doesn't know what's going on. Try buying something other than farmers weekly or your subscription to "conspiracy theories today".
Its a simple issue, but vital to the sponsor for a number of reasons. If you don't understand you don't understand fair enough. Its 4pm on a Friday I'm already on my computer too long, time to get a rub down from the secretary and crack open the bubbly. I'm sure its time for you to go and watch the X-files the truth is out there!
I think you're the one who has been watching too much X-Files when you're the one taking something without a shred of evidence as fact. You haven't been able to make any cognitive points as to why the sponsors would be putting so much pressure on in this regard.
- Tyrone had 12 games this year televised live, two of which were on RTE
- They won the All Ireland U21 Championship and reached the semis of the senior Championship
Is that not great exposure for McAleer and Rushe? Why would they be throwing the toys out of the pram over a probable sum total of five minutes of interviews with RTE where their logo in most likelihood won't even be visible as I've illustrated above? How about you address these points rather than passing off unqualified bluster as facts.
The post match interviews are the money shots. It's subliminal advertising. The logo is on the screen in a stationary position for several minutes while a manager or player is talking and the company is getting massive exposure. There's a massive difference between that and the logo on jerseys which are constantly moving at high speed and are barely registered by viewers. That's why post match soccer interviews on sky and match of the day have so many companies vying for advertising space.
That's not true, look at an interview with McGuinness here, the sponsors logo doesn't come into shot at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsA7gwN4DyI
Were Donegal Creameries shouting the odds at the Donegal County Board over the way their kits were designed and not showing their logo?
It certainly is true, ask anyone who works in advertising. Donegal creameries may or may not have complained but they more than likely werent too happy. The point is companies pay a lot of money for the advertising and want max exposure. For Harte to continue his boycott of rte is one thing but to bully the players and backroom team into not appearing for interview is quite another. If the sponsors walk it will be very interesting to see how the county board deal with harte.
The players would seem to support Harte on this matter, the truth for me is more that they have an awful lot of respect for Harte and that's probably the main reason they are in sync with it.
They dont seem to have as much respect for him after they finish playing. Whats the chances of sean cavanagh being on the sunday game in a couple of years time? I'd say pretty high. It says a lot when players like mcmenamin and mcguigan are happy to be on the sunday game not long after getting away from harte.
I think there is a mistake with many posters considering that the sponsors wish to advertise via the logos, etc being shown on TV and media. If this was the case then McAleer Rushe wouldn't be the sponsors because no one wanting to build a £15-20 million project would be watching the football or analysis and be drawn to employ them. In the same way AIG are not expecting greater insurance sales because they work with Dublin. The bigger sponsors and more corporate entities such as McAleer Rushe are there for brand association, PR and developing thier corporate image, etc. Students of PR would be able to give a more detailed explanation.
The problem with the current setup is that the sponsors are not getting this deal when their team they are sponsoring are not appearing in the media through giving interviews etc. A further issue is that while AIG, Kerry Group and Elverys are getting corporate association with teams which are being portrayed as top athletes in their sport by the media and TV analysis. McAleer and Rushe are being associated with a team regarded by the TV and media as the cheats of their sport prepared to cheat and foul their way to success. This media bias has a definite evidence base which has been highlighted by the media whereas the other top teams don't have the same problem because they meet the demands of the media by cooperating and feeding them with the interviews and access that they require.
So while the situation would have been no problem for WJ Dolan who was happy to see the jersey on TV, the sponsorship by McAleer Rushe is required to provide a more sophisticated return for the company than is possible with the current battle in which the team manager and players are currently embroiled.
Think about the value that the relevant sponsors are gaining from the media performances of the Kerry, Dublin and Mayo managers in how they present themselves on TV and to the media. Are McAleer Rushe getting the same value for the tens of thousands they are pouring into the Tyrone coffers. When a media night for Tyrone amounts to the manager and his nephew answering questions to media willing to make it to the wilds of Tyrone in Garvaghey, sponsors are not being provided with a good return. While Fergal Lindsay does his best to manage the PR for Tyrone, you can be assured that he has at least one arm tied behind his back and cannot match the machine that is Dublin, Kerry or Mayo when it comes to being able to attract media outlets to such evenings and portraying his county in the best possible light and feeding the journalists with the information and quotes that they crave.
In the modern world sponsors want brand association, what have Tyrone sponsors got this year in return for their investment?
Quote from: lenny on September 11, 2015, 08:08:07 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 07:05:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 11, 2015, 06:57:46 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 11, 2015, 06:18:59 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 11, 2015, 06:09:27 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 11, 2015, 03:52:47 PM
are you thick? Concrete evidence, they aren't going to wash their dirty laundry in the public domain. You seem to be the only one in the county who doesn't know what's going on. Try buying something other than farmers weekly or your subscription to "conspiracy theories today".
Its a simple issue, but vital to the sponsor for a number of reasons. If you don't understand you don't understand fair enough. Its 4pm on a Friday I'm already on my computer too long, time to get a rub down from the secretary and crack open the bubbly. I'm sure its time for you to go and watch the X-files the truth is out there!
I think you're the one who has been watching too much X-Files when you're the one taking something without a shred of evidence as fact. You haven't been able to make any cognitive points as to why the sponsors would be putting so much pressure on in this regard.
- Tyrone had 12 games this year televised live, two of which were on RTE
- They won the All Ireland U21 Championship and reached the semis of the senior Championship
Is that not great exposure for McAleer and Rushe? Why would they be throwing the toys out of the pram over a probable sum total of five minutes of interviews with RTE where their logo in most likelihood won't even be visible as I've illustrated above? How about you address these points rather than passing off unqualified bluster as facts.
The post match interviews are the money shots. It's subliminal advertising. The logo is on the screen in a stationary position for several minutes while a manager or player is talking and the company is getting massive exposure. There's a massive difference between that and the logo on jerseys which are constantly moving at high speed and are barely registered by viewers. That's why post match soccer interviews on sky and match of the day have so many companies vying for advertising space.
That's not true, look at an interview with McGuinness here, the sponsors logo doesn't come into shot at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsA7gwN4DyI
Were Donegal Creameries shouting the odds at the Donegal County Board over the way their kits were designed and not showing their logo?
It certainly is true, ask anyone who works in advertising. Donegal creameries may or may not have complained but they more than likely werent too happy. The point is companies pay a lot of money for the advertising and want max exposure. For Harte to continue his boycott of rte is one thing but to bully the players and backroom team into not appearing for interview is quite another. If the sponsors walk it will be very interesting to see how the county board deal with harte.
The players would seem to support Harte on this matter, the truth for me is more that they have an awful lot of respect for Harte and that's probably the main reason they are in sync with it.
They dont seem to have as much respect for him after they finish playing. Whats the chances of sean cavanagh being on the sunday game in a couple of years time? I'd say pretty high. It says a lot when players like mcmenamin and mcguigan are happy to be on the sunday game not long after getting away from harte.
Silly thought process. These guys have mortgages to pay and are in demand and are much more knowledgable than Spillane brolly and o rourke.
Quote from: Disillusioned on September 11, 2015, 08:15:43 PM
I think there is a mistake with many posters considering that the sponsors wish to advertise via the logos, etc being shown on TV and media. If this was the case then McAleer Rushe wouldn't be the sponsors because no one wanting to build a £15-20 million project would be watching the football or analysis and be drawn to employ them. In the same way AIG are not expecting greater insurance sales because they work with Dublin. The bigger sponsors and more corporate entities such as McAleer Rushe are there for brand association, PR and developing thier corporate image, etc. Students of PR would be able to give a more detailed explanation.
The problem with the current setup is that the sponsors are not getting this deal when their team they are sponsoring are not appearing in the media through giving interviews etc. A further issue is that while AIG, Kerry Group and Elverys are getting corporate association with teams which are being portrayed as top athletes in their sport by the media and TV analysis. McAleer and Rushe are being associated with a team regarded by the TV and media as the cheats of their sport prepared to cheat and foul their way to success. This media bias has a definite evidence base which has been highlighted by the media whereas the other top teams don't have the same problem because they meet the demands of the media by cooperating and feeding them with the interviews and access that they require.
So while the situation would have been no problem for WJ Dolan who was happy to see the jersey on TV, the sponsorship by McAleer Rushe is required to provide a more sophisticated return for the company than is possible with the current battle in which the team manager and players are currently embroiled.
Think about the value that the relevant sponsors are gaining from the media performances of the Kerry, Dublin and Mayo managers in how they present themselves on TV and to the media. Are McAleer Rushe getting the same value for the tens of thousands they are pouring into the Tyrone coffers. When a media night for Tyrone amounts to the manager and his nephew answering questions to media willing to make it to the wilds of Tyrone in Garvaghey, sponsors are not being provided with a good return. While Fergal Lindsay does his best to manage the PR for Tyrone, you can be assured that he has at least one arm tied behind his back and cannot match the machine that is Dublin, Kerry or Mayo when it comes to being able to attract media outlets to such evenings and portraying his county in the best possible light and feeding the journalists with the information and quotes that they crave.
In the modern world sponsors want brand association, what have Tyrone sponsors got this year in return for their investment?
Fergal, Eunan, Jack, what the fcuk is his name anyway?
Harte,because of his relative success (1 All Ireland and 2 Backdoors) seems to have the same undue influence as Ferguson did at Man Utd,in that he is virtually unsackable.This is not good for any sporting team,as the aftermath of Ferguson's reign is now proving
The problem that Tyrone have is that sponsors are business men. If they have a reason to withhold payment to Tyrone they will. The non interviews with RTE give them a reason. Tyrone could be relying on their sponsors being more concerned with how the county team is doing than trying to save their company money. It is very rare for this trait to be evident with successful businessmen.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 12, 2015, 08:13:51 AM
Harte,because of his relative success (1 All Ireland and 2 Backdoors) seems to have the same undue influence as Ferguson did at Man Utd,in that he is virtually unsackable.This is not good for any sporting team,as the aftermath of Ferguson's reign is now proving
For someone who invests so much time and effort trying to wind people up, this must be a milestone in embarrassing attempts for you Tony.
But I acknowledge your admiration for Mickey by making the connection between himself and Ferguson, who many regard to be the greatest manager English football has ever produced.
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 12, 2015, 05:49:32 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 12, 2015, 08:13:51 AM
Harte,because of his relative success (1 All Ireland and 2 Backdoors) seems to have the same undue influence as Ferguson did at Man Utd,in that he is virtually unsackable.This is not good for any sporting team,as the aftermath of Ferguson's reign is now proving
For someone who invests so much time and effort trying to wind people up, this must be a milestone in embarrassing attempts for you Tony.
But I acknowledge your admiration for Mickey by making the connection between himself and Ferguson, who many regard to be the greatest manager English football has ever produced.
He's a product of Scottish football by the way.
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Harte,because of his relative success (1 All Ireland and 2 Backdoors) seems to have the same undue influence as Ferguson did at Man Utd,in that he is virtually unsackable.
This is not good for any sporting team,as the aftermath of Ferguson's reign is now proving
Of Tony's 1000's of banal social media contributions, few fully reflect his bitterness and feelings of sporting inferiority in the way this does. :) Armagh and Spurs - a true specialist underachieving supporter if there ever was one! !
Quote from: StGallsGAA on September 13, 2015, 12:53:36 AM
Of Tony's 1000's of banal social media contributions, few fully reflect his bitterness and feelings of sporting inferiority in the way this does. :) Armagh and Spurs - a true specialist underachieving supporter if there ever was one! !
So speaks an Antrim man.
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Quote from: StGallsGAA on September 13, 2015, 12:53:36 AM
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Harte,because of his relative success (1 All Ireland and 2 Backdoors) seems to have the same undue influence as Ferguson did at Man Utd,in that he is virtually unsackable.
This is not good for any sporting team,as the aftermath of Ferguson's reign is now proving
Of Tony's 1000's of banal social media contributions, few fully reflect his bitterness and feelings of sporting inferiority in the way this does. :) Armagh and Spurs - a true specialist underachieving supporter if there ever was one! !
With the talent tyrone have had coming through most people would agree that they have seriously underachieved for the last 7 seasons under harte. A lucky draw this year where they didnt beat any of the top teams has skewed the views of a lot of tyrone supporters who earlier in the season were crying out for a change. Also if it hadnt been for all the negative publicity after the mccann disgusting dive and the monaghan game which seemed to galvanise a "nobody likes us, we dont care" sort of attitude I think most people would still be happy for harte to go.He has made an absolute hash of bringing through some top talent like kyle coney and ronan oneill and tyrone rune the risk of another group of young players being mismanaged.
My point exactly.Joe Kernan was six years with Armagh,and that was two years too long.Last year due to the luck of the draw Armagh reached the All Ireland qtr final,as did Fermanagh this year.Sadly this is no marker of where a county is truly at,as we saw with Armagh this year.
Tyrone need a change of direction,away from boorishness and puke football and petty vendettas,and those in the County Board who recognise this and are being proactive are to be applauded.The easy way out would be to stick with a popular manager living on (increasingly distant) past glories.
They were in an All Ireland Semi this year if this is failure
McAleer and Rushe would not be sponsoring Tyrone only for the success Mickey Harte provided. One of the great managers of the modern game. I am pretty sure Harte is hard to get on with. There is always idiots who think they can do better. I seen it in Laois with Micko every excuse under the sun to sack him. The same ones as on here I.e weak draw , great crop of players should have done better. As it stands in Laois nobody bettered Micko in fact we steadily got worse. same in Meath . This will happen in Tyrone too Harte should be cherished not undermined.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 13, 2015, 08:12:44 AM
My point exactly.Joe Kernan was six years with Armagh,and that was two years too long.Last year due to the luck of the draw Armagh reached the All Ireland qtr final,as did Fermanagh this year.Sadly this is no marker of where a county is truly at,as we saw with Armagh this year.
Tyrone need a change of direction,away from boorishness and puke football and petty vendettas,and those in the County Board who recognise this and are being proactive are to be applauded.The easy way out would be to stick with a popular manager living on (increasingly distant) past glories.
Armagh must have very little to live on so.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on September 13, 2015, 10:04:42 AM
McAleer and Rushe would not be sponsoring Tyrone only for the success Mickey Harte provided. One of the great managers of the modern game. I am pretty sure Harte is hard to get on with. There is always idiots who think they can do better. I seen it in Laois with Micko every excuse under the sun to sack him. The same ones as on here I.e weak draw , great crop of players should have done better. As it stands in Laois nobody bettered Micko in fact we steadily got worse. same in Meath . This will happen in Tyrone too Harte should be cherished not undermined.
Interesting comparison with Mick O'... as he stayed on far too long with Kerry and even admitted so himself at the end..
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Quote from: BallyroanAbu on September 13, 2015, 10:04:42 AM
McAleer and Rushe would not be sponsoring Tyrone only for the success Mickey Harte provided. One of the great managers of the modern game. I am pretty sure Harte is hard to get on with. There is always idiots who think they can do better. I seen it in Laois with Micko every excuse under the sun to sack him. The same ones as on here I.e weak draw , great crop of players should have done better. As it stands in Laois nobody bettered Micko in fact we steadily got worse. same in Meath . This will happen in Tyrone too Harte should be cherished not undermined.
Interesting comparison with Mick O'... as he stayed on far too long with Kerry and even admitted so himself at the end..
Maybe Mick O Dwyer stayed on a couple of years too long, but he still won 3 All-Irelands in his final 5 years which is a decent enough return.
Mickey could be gone tomorrow night.We may be living in the final hours of puke football
Quote from: T Fearon on September 14, 2015, 09:54:40 PM
Mickey could be gone tomorrow night.We may be living in the final hours of puke football
Jasus I had to laugh at that :) :) :)
Mickey was struggling in his mock role-play interviews is the story.
He really needs to buck up for the real thing.
He needs to have a shave! I can just picture an interview Tyrone style.
"Ah,come on in Mr Harte,take a sate! Can a get ye a mouthful of water?" ;D
Quote from: T Fearon on September 14, 2015, 09:54:40 PM
Mickey could be gone tomorrow night.We may be living in the final hours of puke football
He will undoubetdly be reappointed but more than likely on a one year deal with conditions. It's great to see that someone has eventually stood up to him and he can't just walk over the top of everyone. Well done Roisin Jordan.
The plot thickens
https://twitter.com/ourlogie/status/643752028435517440
Quote from: The Subbie on September 15, 2015, 01:14:59 PM
The plot thickens
https://twitter.com/ourlogie/status/643752028435517440
:o
Quote from: T Fearon on September 12, 2015, 08:13:51 AM
Harte,because of his relative success (1 All Ireland and 2 Backdoors) seems to have the same undue influence as Ferguson did at Man Utd,in that he is virtually unsackable.This is not good for any sporting team,as the aftermath of Ferguson's reign is now proving
Two All Ireland semi finals in three years Tyrone could go one better and reach the All Ireland final next year if Harte stays. All including Manchester United supporters didn't realise how good Alex Ferguson was until he left it will be same with most GAA supporters once Mickey Harte departs.
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 15, 2015, 04:01:04 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on September 15, 2015, 01:14:59 PM
The plot thickens
https://twitter.com/ourlogie/status/643752028435517440
:o
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QuoteTyrone have been rocked by the resignation of their All-Ireland U21 FC winning management team.
Having led the Red Hands to their first national U21 title since 2001 this year, Feargal Logan, Peter Canavan and Brian Dooher last night tendered their resignations due to a dispute over the future financing of the team according to a report in the Irish Star.
The trio were widely expected to be retained but weekend talks with the county executive proved futile and the former senior intercounty team-mates announced that they would not be continuing.
The news comes with the future of senior manager Mickey Harte still very much up in the air. An announcment will be made tonight regarding the future of the three-times All-Ireland winning Tyrone legend, who is seeking three more years at the helm.
There is great enthusiasm for getting the Mickey out in Tyrone.
As noted above, you can say that Joe Kernan stayed a year too long in Armagh, but since he left there is only one year 2014 when Armagh seemed to make good use of their resources, so a change doesn't always bring a lot of progress,
Mickey could get the Cliftonville job.Lots in common with Tyrone job,play in red,all fenians
Unless tyrone think that they have the players to win an all ireland they'd be better to stick with Mickey Harte.
silk purse, sows ear and all that...
Back in for 2 years ;D
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 15, 2015, 09:03:36 PM
Back in for 2 years ;D
As is the U21 management. Some bollocks talked this past few weeks! Tony will be gutted!! :D
Great news on both fronts
2 more years of stagnation,boorishness,players walking away from the panel,childishly ignoring our national broadcaster! Yes it's great news,for every other county in Ireland
Quote from: T Fearon on September 15, 2015, 09:34:32 PM
2 more years of stagnation,boorishness,players walking away from the panel,childishly ignoring our national broadcaster! Yes it's great news,for every other county in Ireland
You're wrong there I've seen him do plenty of interviews for the BBC.
On a serious note why this on the main thread and not the Tyrone one, that's what the county thread are for?
is it really that serious? ::)
Quote from: T Fearon on September 15, 2015, 09:34:32 PM
2 more years of stagnation,boorishness,players walking away from the panel,childishly ignoring our national broadcaster! Yes it's great news,for every other county in Ireland
At least we're not complete and utter shite like the Buckfast brigade
So Jerome is reporting that the players 'will not be stopped' from talking to RTE
And it is also of nationwide interest, as is the fate of most inter county managers. The county pages are for intra county stuff like club games etc.
Looks like,Mickey,unlike Sinn Fein,has accepted preconditions.The caterpillar truly has become a butterfly
Quote from: red hander on September 15, 2015, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 15, 2015, 09:34:32 PM
2 more years of stagnation,boorishness,players walking away from the panel,childishly ignoring our national broadcaster! Yes it's great news,for every other county in Ireland
At least we're not complete and utter shite like the Buckfast brigade
Are you sure?
Alleluia!
Whether common sense has prevailed or whether there was to much reading between the lines I dont know
But I am happy with the result
I just got a shiver up me spine and the rest of Ireland started to quiver in their boots!
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2015, 06:09:29 AM
Alleluia!
Whether common sense has prevailed or whether there was to much reading between the lines I dont know
But I am happy with the result
I just got a shiver up me spine and the rest of Ireland started to quiver in their boots!
You'll be crying for him to go long before the end of the 2 years.
Quote from: red hander on September 15, 2015, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 15, 2015, 09:34:32 PM
2 more years of stagnation,boorishness,players walking away from the panel,childishly ignoring our national broadcaster! Yes it's great news,for every other county in Ireland
At least we're not complete and utter shite like the Buckfast brigade
Buckfast is a beverage only enjoyed by a certain uncouth element from North Armagh, I've seen a few bottles amongst Tyrone fans as well. Most Armagh fans enjoy a good vintage cava or a nice rioja. Although on a good day some might partake of a cool glass of Armagh cider with ice.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 15, 2015, 09:59:37 PM
Looks like,Mickey,unlike Sinn Fein,has accepted preconditions.The caterpillar truly has become a butterfly
Tony even I am finding your contributions here tedious, so god knows what your doing to our RH friends.
Quote from: lenny on September 16, 2015, 06:54:18 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2015, 06:09:29 AM
Alleluia!
Whether common sense has prevailed or whether there was to much reading between the lines I dont know
But I am happy with the result
I just got a shiver up me spine and the rest of Ireland started to quiver in their boots!
You'll be crying for him to go long before the end of the 2 years.
Or....you might be. Interesting how its the Armagh and Derry contingent that are most vociferous in their view that Mickey should go. I wonder why?
I think it is a good move to keep Harte for two more years and allows for a transition to the U21 management team.
Mickey's dream of Tyrone going to the banquet and not speaking to RTE still alive :P
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 16, 2015, 09:17:41 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 16, 2015, 06:54:18 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2015, 06:09:29 AM
Alleluia!
Whether common sense has prevailed or whether there was to much reading between the lines I dont know
But I am happy with the result
I just got a shiver up me spine and the rest of Ireland started to quiver in their boots!
You'll be crying for him to go long before the end of the 2 years.
Or....you might be. Interesting how its the Armagh and Derry contingent that are most vociferous in their view that Mickey should go. I wonder why?
On the contrary, if he keeps driving good young players like Coney, O'Neill, Grugan, McKenna out then I'm happy enough . . . 12 MORE YEARS!!!!
Would love to know which 3 clubs voted against it? Great choice but even more importantly keeping the under 21 involved and giving them the resources they need this year. Hopefully the can tie in closely with Mickey for the next 2 years.
I think we need a year to get out of div 2 then who knows 2017 could be the year when these boys are reaching peak! Great hope swelling in the county again after this year and a more of a united front.
As for the Derry and Armagh haters, laugh and move on, they have had all summer to sit around working on their abuse, a big mc kenna cup to look forward to for both of them and then 2 thumpings handed out by this new tyrone in the league should shut them both up. Both are in disarray!
Quote from: screenexile on September 16, 2015, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 16, 2015, 09:17:41 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 16, 2015, 06:54:18 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2015, 06:09:29 AM
Alleluia!
Whether common sense has prevailed or whether there was to much reading between the lines I dont know
But I am happy with the result
I just got a shiver up me spine and the rest of Ireland started to quiver in their boots!
You'll be crying for him to go long before the end of the 2 years.
Or....you might be. Interesting how its the Armagh and Derry contingent that are most vociferous in their view that Mickey should go. I wonder why?
On the contrary, if he keeps driving good young players like Coney, O'Neill, Grugan, McKenna out then I'm happy enough . . . 12 MORE YEARS!!!!
Coney had his chance, doesn't have th attributes or commitment.
O'neill unfortunately has zero speed anymore as Sunday showed
Which McKenna? Niall was injured all year, Ryan was mediocure at county level, conor has went to play pro ball and will be back
Grugan not string enough for midfield, shown up when it mattered and again clear to see on Sunday past.
But you are clearly an expert, you should trying coming over to watch a really club championship instead of the softies in your county pandering to the big bad boys from Cross every year
Quote from: redhandefender on September 16, 2015, 09:38:17 AM
Would love to know which 3 clubs voted against it? Great choice but even more importantly keeping the under 21 involved and giving them the resources they need this year. Hopefully the can tie in closely with Mickey for the next 2 years.
I think we need a year to get out of div 2 then who knows 2017 could be the year when these boys are reaching peak! Great hope swelling in the county again after this year and a more of a united front.
As for the Derry and Armagh haters, laugh and move on, they have had all summer to sit around working on their abuse, a big mc kenna cup to look forward to for both of them and then 2 thumpings handed out by this new tyrone in the league should shut them both up. Both are in disarray!
LOL still always thump you lads at club football. Typical Tyrone fans. More interest in their county than the club. Although I'll add a caveat I've got respect for the Ardboe, Clonoe and Carmen men for standing up to the tyrant Harte!
Quote from: redhandefender on September 16, 2015, 09:41:33 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 16, 2015, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 16, 2015, 09:17:41 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 16, 2015, 06:54:18 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2015, 06:09:29 AM
Alleluia!
Whether common sense has prevailed or whether there was to much reading between the lines I dont know
But I am happy with the result
I just got a shiver up me spine and the rest of Ireland started to quiver in their boots!
You'll be crying for him to go long before the end of the 2 years.
Or....you might be. Interesting how its the Armagh and Derry contingent that are most vociferous in their view that Mickey should go. I wonder why?
On the contrary, if he keeps driving good young players like Coney, O'Neill, Grugan, McKenna out then I'm happy enough . . . 12 MORE YEARS!!!!
Coney had his chance, doesn't have th attributes or commitment.
O'neill unfortunately has zero speed anymore as Sunday showed
Which McKenna? Niall was injured all year, Ryan was mediocure at county level, conor has went to play pro ball and will be back
Grugan not string enough for midfield, shown up when it mattered and again clear to see on Sunday past.
But you are clearly an expert, you should trying coming over to watch a really club championship instead of the softies in your county pandering to the big bad boys from Cross every year
I'm a Derry man you buffoon and our Club Championship is just fine!!
Quote from: redhandefender on September 16, 2015, 09:41:33 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 16, 2015, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 16, 2015, 09:17:41 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 16, 2015, 06:54:18 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2015, 06:09:29 AM
Alleluia!
Whether common sense has prevailed or whether there was to much reading between the lines I dont know
But I am happy with the result
I just got a shiver up me spine and the rest of Ireland started to quiver in their boots!
You'll be crying for him to go long before the end of the 2 years.
Or....you might be. Interesting how its the Armagh and Derry contingent that are most vociferous in their view that Mickey should go. I wonder why?
On the contrary, if he keeps driving good young players like Coney, O'Neill, Grugan, McKenna out then I'm happy enough . . . 12 MORE YEARS!!!!
Coney had his chance, doesn't have th attributes or commitment.
O'neill unfortunately has zero speed anymore as Sunday showed
Which McKenna? Niall was injured all year, Ryan was mediocure at county level, conor has went to play pro ball and will be back
Grugan not string enough for midfield, shown up when it mattered and again clear to see on Sunday past.
But you are clearly an expert, you should trying coming over to watch a really club championship instead of the softies in your county pandering to the big bad boys from Cross every year
I wouldn't completely rule out those players yet.
Was Ronan O'Neill a speed merchant before the cruciate injury?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 16, 2015, 09:44:02 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 16, 2015, 09:38:17 AM
Would love to know which 3 clubs voted against it? Great choice but even more importantly keeping the under 21 involved and giving them the resources they need this year. Hopefully the can tie in closely with Mickey for the next 2 years.
I think we need a year to get out of div 2 then who knows 2017 could be the year when these boys are reaching peak! Great hope swelling in the county again after this year and a more of a united front.
As for the Derry and Armagh haters, laugh and move on, they have had all summer to sit around working on their abuse, a big mc kenna cup to look forward to for both of them and then 2 thumpings handed out by this new tyrone in the league should shut them both up. Both are in disarray!
LOL still always thump you lads at club football. Typical Tyrone fans. More interest in their county than the club. Although I'll add a caveat I've got respect for the Ardboe, Clonoe and Carmen men for standing up to the tyrant Harte!
Yeah you wouldn't understand the joys of winning an all Ireland as by the tone and maturity of your posts I doubt you were born in 1993. Derry club scene is interesting I will give you that. The problem is all your clubs are exactly like Ardboe, Clonoe and Carrickmore and think its all about them. Your clubs are obviously going to be in a better position for ulster given that derry are out first or second round every year!
We are attempting here to have a thriving club scene and strong County set up, something I fear in derry, given their attitudes will never be possible. Maybe that sacked Derry City FC manager will take over the county set up, he's well used to handling a load of b**chy crying softies!
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 16, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
Was Ronan O'Neill a speed merchant before the cruciate injury?
absolute flying machine, unmarkable!
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 16, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
Was Ronan O'Neill a speed merchant before the cruciate injury?
No but I do think he needs to work on his physical conditioning, to my eye he seems to be a wee bit heavy.
The class of 2010 hasn't really set the world alight yet. Clarke had done really well up until doing his cruciate and what I've seen of him since has been very worrying. O'Neill also has struggled since a cruciate injury.
Big year for them next year and there should be a good few of that panel involved with Clarke, O'Neill, Grugan, R Donnelly, Sludden, McNulty and McCurry all likely to be involved I would imagine.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 16, 2015, 10:19:21 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 16, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
Was Ronan O'Neill a speed merchant before the cruciate injury?
No but I do think he needs to work on his physical conditioning, to my eye he seems to be a wee bit heavy.
The class of 2010 hasn't really set the world alight yet. Clarke had done really well up until doing his cruciate and what I've seen of him since has been very worrying. O'Neill also has struggled since a cruciate injury.
Big year for them next year and there should be a good few of that panel involved with Clarke, O'Neill, Grugan, R Donnelly, Sludden, McNulty and McCurry all likely to be involved I would imagine.
Rony O'neill wasn't fast? Are you serious? He was lightning fast as a minor and the year after minors at club level
Quote from: redhandefender on September 16, 2015, 11:17:36 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 16, 2015, 10:19:21 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 16, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
Was Ronan O'Neill a speed merchant before the cruciate injury?
No but I do think he needs to work on his physical conditioning, to my eye he seems to be a wee bit heavy.
The class of 2010 hasn't really set the world alight yet. Clarke had done really well up until doing his cruciate and what I've seen of him since has been very worrying. O'Neill also has struggled since a cruciate injury.
Big year for them next year and there should be a good few of that panel involved with Clarke, O'Neill, Grugan, R Donnelly, Sludden, McNulty and McCurry all likely to be involved I would imagine.
Rony O'neill wasn't fast? Are you serious? He was lightning fast as a minor and the year after minors at club level
Nippy but hardly what was the standout facet of his game. Plenty of quicker players in that team for instance.
To people who regularly watch him play, has he slowed down (as a result of injury of physique change) or is he as fast as he was?
Quote from: screenexile on September 16, 2015, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 16, 2015, 09:17:41 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 16, 2015, 06:54:18 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2015, 06:09:29 AM
Alleluia!
Whether common sense has prevailed or whether there was to much reading between the lines I dont know
But I am happy with the result
I just got a shiver up me spine and the rest of Ireland started to quiver in their boots!
You'll be crying for him to go long before the end of the 2 years.
Or....you might be. Interesting how its the Armagh and Derry contingent that are most vociferous in their view that Mickey should go. I wonder why?
On the contrary, if he keeps driving good young players like Coney, O'Neill, Grugan, McKenna out then I'm happy enough . . . 12 MORE YEARS!!!!
Yet you conveniently ignore the fact that Darren McCurry, Conor McAliskey, Niall Morgan, Ronan McNabb, Ronan McNamee, Conor Meyler, Mark Bradley, Matty Donnelly etc have all come through in recent years. Not to mention the development of Colm Cavanagh, Justin McMahon and Cathal McCarron over the years. Can you show me a manager that has successfully managed every young talent into a top class county star??
too many havent... Conor McCarron? :o
Since Harte has took over he has had the pick of 6 Ulster Minor winning teams (3 All Ireland Winning teams) along with an All Ireland runner up. That means there is a lot of talent that has been lost and not brought through or developed by Harte.
Could you not argue though that it wasn't even brought through at u21 which was nothing to do with him?
How many of those teams won ulster at u21?
many players came through though...
Quote from: longballin on September 16, 2015, 03:53:38 PM
too many havent... Conor McCarron? :o
Whos Conor Mc Carron
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 16, 2015, 04:14:53 PM
Since Harte has took over he has had the pick of 6 Ulster Minor winning teams (3 All Ireland Winning teams) along with an All Ireland runner up. That means there is a lot of talent that has been lost and not brought through or developed by Harte.
Or not been developed at U21 level. Reality is only a small numbers of minors make it at senior level.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 16, 2015, 04:14:53 PM
Since Harte has took over he has had the pick of 6 Ulster Minor winning teams (3 All Ireland Winning teams) along with an All Ireland runner up. That means there is a lot of talent that has been lost and not brought through or developed by Harte.
Is there anybody from those respective teams that is currently involved or hasn't been tried at some point? The only players that I think would add something to Tyrone at the minute would be Paudie Hampsey, Kieran Mc Geary and Frank Burns.
Quote from: redhandefender on September 16, 2015, 09:38:17 AM
Would love to know which 3 clubs voted against it?
newtown sur, dromore and mrs chairmans club eglish didnt want him.
Quote from: Bo Man on September 16, 2015, 08:47:13 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 16, 2015, 09:38:17 AM
Would love to know which 3 clubs voted against it?
newtown sur, dromore and mrs chairmans club eglish didnt want him.
Hazard a guess at the reasons...
Newton: Mayse /Gallagher rejection?
Dromore: Strong armed into taking back McCarron?
Eglish: Backing up herself/ McKennas ?
Quote from: Bo Man on September 16, 2015, 08:47:13 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 16, 2015, 09:38:17 AM
Would love to know which 3 clubs voted against it?
newtown sur, dromore and mrs chairmans club eglish didnt want him.
I believe that mrs chairman does what she is advised to at home.
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on September 16, 2015, 08:47:13 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 16, 2015, 09:38:17 AM
Would love to know which 3 clubs voted against it?
newtown sur, dromore and mrs chairmans club eglish didnt want him.
Hazard a guess at the reasons...
Newton: Mayse /Gallagher rejection?
Dromore: Strong armed into taking back McCarron?
Eglish: Backing up herself/ McKennas ?
Could it be possible that these people/clubs just thought a change was needed. The pro Mickey camp is like the gestapo ffs.
Was the vote 48 for and 3 against? Approx 94% ??
Does anyone actually think only 6% of tyrone gaels wanted a change ?
G W Bush would be proud of that campaign
QuoteCould it be possible that these people/clubs just thought a change was needed. The pro Mickey camp is like the gestapo ffs.
Was the vote 48 for and 3 against? Approx 94% ??
Does anyone actually think only 6% of tyrone gaels wanted a change ?
G W Bush would be proud of that campaign
I'm sure more than 6% of Tyrone GAA fans have wanted a change every year since he took the job. However it's irrelevant to the selection process. Get to the point and tell us why YOU, not other Gaels, believe he should go and who would do a better job. While you're at it give us your views on the players and style of football that will get us further than an AI semi final at present.
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Quote from: omaghjoe on September 16, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
Quote from: Bo Man on September 16, 2015, 08:47:13 PM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 16, 2015, 09:38:17 AM
Would love to know which 3 clubs voted against it?
newtown sur, dromore and mrs chairmans club eglish didnt want him.
Hazard a guess at the reasons...
Newton: Mayse /Gallagher rejection?
Dromore: Strong armed into taking back McCarron?
Eglish: Backing up herself/ McKennas ?
Could it be possible that these people/clubs just thought a change was needed. The pro Mickey camp is like the gestapo ffs.
Was the vote 48 for and 3 against? Approx 94% ??
Does anyone actually think only 6% of tyrone gaels wanted a change ?
G W Bush would be proud of that campaign
I dont doubt they wanted change, I am just wondering at the reasoning.
If they wanted change for change sake then that would be even more nonsensical than for the vindictive reasons I listed above.
BTW Gestapo?, GW Bush? Get a life, we are talking about football here!
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Quote from: redhandefender on September 16, 2015, 09:38:17 AM
Would love to know which 3 clubs voted against it?
newtown sur, dromore and mrs chairmans club eglish didnt want him.
Hazard a guess at the reasons...
Newton: Mayse /Gallagher rejection?
Dromore: Strong armed into taking back McCarron?
Eglish: Backing up herself/ McKennas ?
Could it be possible that these people/clubs just thought a change was needed. The pro Mickey camp is like the gestapo ffs.
Was the vote 48 for and 3 against? Approx 94% ??
Does anyone actually think only 6% of tyrone gaels wanted a change ?
G W Bush would be proud of that campaign
I dont doubt they wanted change, I am just wondering at the reasoning.
If they wanted change for change sake then that would be even more nonsensical than for the vindictive reasons I listed above.
BTW Gestapo?, GW Bush? Get a life, we are talking about football here!
::) ::)
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Quote from: time ticking away on September 16, 2015, 09:47:12 PM
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Quote from: redhandefender on September 16, 2015, 09:38:17 AM
Would love to know which 3 clubs voted against it?
newtown sur, dromore and mrs chairmans club eglish didnt want him.
Hazard a guess at the reasons...
Newton: Mayse /Gallagher rejection?
Dromore: Strong armed into taking back McCarron?
Eglish: Backing up herself/ McKennas ?
Could it be possible that these people/clubs just thought a change was needed. The pro Mickey camp is like the gestapo ffs.
Was the vote 48 for and 3 against? Approx 94% ??
Does anyone actually think only 6% of tyrone gaels wanted a change ?
G W Bush would be proud of that campaign
I dont doubt they wanted change, I am just wondering at the reasoning.
If they wanted change for change sake then that would be even more nonsensical than for the vindictive reasons I listed above.
BTW Gestapo?, GW Bush? Get a life, we are talking about football here!
::) ::)
I suppose getting your back up about being called out on making ridiculous analogies is easier to do than actually replying.
heard there was some serious campaining done by dubba over the past two weeks. maybe a lot of delegates didnt want to be shamed in public or the clubs, whilst democracy has been seen to be done ahem. good on coalisland voting for the status quo, hampsey a shoe in now.
These three clubs could be left to look very silly in the next few years.
If Mickey were to get the team to an AI final (which he almost did this year)
I take it they wont bother looking for their ticket allocation, such is their
Upset at how things have been run.
Any confirmed word on which three clubs voted against or is it just speculation?
Quote from: Max Payne on September 16, 2015, 05:32:44 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 16, 2015, 04:14:53 PM
Since Harte has took over he has had the pick of 6 Ulster Minor winning teams (3 All Ireland Winning teams) along with an All Ireland runner up. That means there is a lot of talent that has been lost and not brought through or developed by Harte.
Is there anybody from those respective teams that is currently involved or hasn't been tried at some point? The only players that I think would add something to Tyrone at the minute would be Paudie Hampsey, Kieran Mc Geary and Frank Burns.
Niall Sludden.
Think Michael Cassidy is also worth a call up next year.
Quote from: sam03/05 on September 17, 2015, 07:11:39 AM
These three clubs could be left to look very silly in the next few years.
If Mickey were to get the team to an AI final (which he almost did this year)
I take it they wont bother looking for their ticket allocation, such is their
Upset at how things have been run.
And what if time proves them to have been right ?
why the witch hunt for three clubs voted for Harte out? Do we live in Syria now?
Quote from: longballin on September 17, 2015, 09:33:04 AM
why the witch hunt for three clubs voted for Harte out? Do we live in Syria now?
Well youse have the inbreeding and the totalitarian dictator why not get rid of free speech as well!!
No witch hunt I was just curious as to who would after that year and why? Its definitely no reason to attack any one club given that it was the members of the committee for each club who decided.
As for the Derry Man we may have all those in Tyrone but at least we have no London!
Quote from: redhandefender on September 17, 2015, 10:08:23 AM
No witch hunt I was just curious as to who would after that year and why? Its definitely no reason to attack any one club given that it was the members of the committee for each club who decided.
As for the Derry Man we may have all those in Tyrone but at least we have no London!
Its not hard to identify reasons why people would want a change in management given the way things have gone over the past 5 seasons.
Quote from: redhandefender on September 17, 2015, 10:08:23 AM
No witch hunt I was just curious as to who would after that year and why? Its definitely no reason to attack any one club given that it was the members of the committee for each club who decided.
As for the Derry Man we may have all those in Tyrone but at least we have no London!
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/4b/4b8427ba45fc2706f5ad3e803fbfa10014c345c6667b787f84605dd0b23145a6.jpg)
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Quote from: redhandefender on September 17, 2015, 10:08:23 AM
No witch hunt I was just curious as to who would after that year and why? Its definitely no reason to attack any one club given that it was the members of the committee for each club who decided.
As for the Derry Man we may have all those in Tyrone but at least we have no London!
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/4b/4b8427ba45fc2706f5ad3e803fbfa10014c345c6667b787f84605dd0b23145a6.jpg)
I thought the childish slags would get a response. Grow up you fool and get back on the Derry page and discuss who will be coming in next for a 2 year stint trying to sort out your rabble of soccer players. Meanwhile enjoy watching the red hands rise!
Have to say 20 pages on Mickey Harte's annual management renewal process is very impressive.
It's testament to the standing he is held in the game by all true gaels.
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Quote from: longballin on September 17, 2015, 09:33:04 AM
why the witch hunt for three clubs voted for Harte out? Do we live in Syria now?
Well youse have the inbreeding and the totalitarian dictator why not get rid of free speech as well!!
don't disagree with you about the dictator...
Quote from: redhandefender on September 17, 2015, 10:08:23 AM
No witch hunt I was just curious as to who would after that year and why? Its definitely no reason to attack any one club given that it was the members of the committee for each club who decided.
As for the Derry Man we may have all those in Tyrone but at least we have no London!
True Gaels from Tyrone or wherever shouldn't see any London in Derry!!!
Quote from: redhandefender on September 17, 2015, 11:38:16 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 17, 2015, 11:19:23 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on September 17, 2015, 10:08:23 AM
No witch hunt I was just curious as to who would after that year and why? Its definitely no reason to attack any one club given that it was the members of the committee for each club who decided.
As for the Derry Man we may have all those in Tyrone but at least we have no London!
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/4b/4b8427ba45fc2706f5ad3e803fbfa10014c345c6667b787f84605dd0b23145a6.jpg)
I thought the childish slags would get a response. Grow up you fool and get back on the Derry page and discuss who will be coming in next for a 2 year stint trying to sort out your rabble of soccer players. Meanwhile enjoy watching the red hands rise!
an awesome spectacle indeed
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Red_Hand_Defenders_flute_band_parade_in_Newtownstewart_-_12_July_2010_-_geograph_-_1963520.jpg)
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Quote from: T Fearon on September 15, 2015, 09:34:32 PM
2 more years of stagnation,boorishness,players walking away from the panel,childishly ignoring our national broadcaster! Yes it's great news,for every other county in Ireland
At least we're not complete and utter shite like the Buckfast brigade
Buckfast is a beverage only enjoyed by a certain uncouth element from North Armagh, I've seen a few bottles amongst Tyrone fans as well. Most Armagh fans enjoy a good vintage cava or a nice rioja. Although on a good day some might partake of a cool glass of Armagh cider with ice.
Judging by the jealousy emanating over the Blackwater since 2003 as your more illustrious and eminent neighbours racked up successes while you apple munchers found your true level, your favourite tipple seems to be whine made from extremely sour grapes ;)
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Quote from: redhandefender on September 17, 2015, 10:08:23 AM
No witch hunt I was just curious as to who would after that year and why? Its definitely no reason to attack any one club given that it was the members of the committee for each club who decided.
As for the Derry Man we may have all those in Tyrone but at least we have no London!
True Gaels from Tyrone or wherever shouldn't see any London in Derry!!!
All I see is bitter Derry men on here spouting crap!
Quote from: red hander on September 17, 2015, 03:40:02 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 16, 2015, 09:10:25 AM
Quote from: red hander on September 15, 2015, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 15, 2015, 09:34:32 PM
2 more years of stagnation,boorishness,players walking away from the panel,childishly ignoring our national broadcaster! Yes it's great news,for every other county in Ireland
At least we're not complete and utter shite like the Buckfast brigade
Buckfast is a beverage only enjoyed by a certain uncouth element from North Armagh, I've seen a few bottles amongst Tyrone fans as well. Most Armagh fans enjoy a good vintage cava or a nice rioja. Although on a good day some might partake of a cool glass of Armagh cider with ice.
Judging by the jealousy emanating over the Blackwater since 2003 as your more illustrious and eminent neighbours racked up successes while you apple munchers found your true level, your favourite tipple seems to be whine made from extremely sour grapes ;)
O'Neill's to blame for this apple muncher buckfast drinking imagery.
Quote from: ose 14 on September 17, 2015, 05:29:52 AM
heard there was some serious campaining done by dubba over the past two weeks. maybe a lot of delegates didnt want to be shamed in public or the clubs, whilst democracy has been seen to be done ahem. good on coalisland voting for the status quo, hampsey a shoe in now.
So by your logic Tyrone will have over 40 starters next year!
I am surprised at the level of support from the Club's considering the counties negative influence on fixtures and player availability.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 18, 2015, 10:41:25 AM
I am surprised at the level of support from the Club's considering the counties negative influence on fixtures and player availability.
Is a new Manager going to be any better?
It is a national problem.
No extension for Mickey.Surely the right decision by the Tyrone Board
just a ploy to drive mickey to secure sam in 2017
Tyrone will win the McKenna cup next year, will at least be in the league semi final, will win ulster and make it to the all all Ireland final. This will be enough progression to make them unable to move him out. Nothing more sure than Mickey still being on the line in 2018
All Ireland final would be a success, means being able to snub RTE in build-up... that's the motivation 8)
Is the halo slipping??
Sure we could take him Screen. Tyrone men doing rightly in Derry football this year ;)
Who are the Tyrone men managing Derry clubs?
Funny how things swing on small margins.
Had Tyrone scored 2 of those chances near the end of the Mayo game, Tyrone would now be in an AI final and Mickey would be hailed the saviour again. The man who rebuilt this Tyrone team and we would be happy to let him stay on for years to come.
Liam Donnelly (Trillick) has Screen as hot favourites for the championship!!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 07, 2016, 10:10:35 AM
Sure we could take him Screen. Tyrone men doing rightly in Derry football this year ;)
Don't think even Mickey Harte could do anything with your lads!!!! :P :P :P
Are there still a lot of Derry men infiltrating the Tyrone club scene??
Lol we have the right man for the job.
Don't think its like what it was 2/3 years ago. Maybe the money isn't as flush. All pumped into Garvaghy!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 07, 2016, 10:24:36 AM
Liam Donnelly (Trillick) has Screen as hot favourites for the championship!!
and all for a fill of ribena !
Power play backfired on Mickey..
the problem as i see it has come to a head again due to the process. sneakingly getting his spake in for another year was 2 fingers up at last years snub. county ctte have responded in kind. club representatives were campaigned on the two weeks previously. surely the mans record would have been enough but his uncertainity in being reappointed the year before has surfaced again. this year he is slightly safer with the ulster title and the u21s bate.however lets not skirt the issue irrespective of the acclaim and hyperbole tyrone were tactically naive in croke park. that is the memory of this year. as harte has aged so has his tactics conservatism is now the norm. Total faith cant dispel the facts think total fiction is the new watchword.
Why he even asking for a extension in the first place, this aint the premier league, what other managers go begging for another year when he got 1 year to go, alot can happen in a year. The county board run Tyrone football not Mickey Harte as he seems to think. Hartes a good manager and according to some Tyrone men he getting well covered for his services but he thinks hes running Tyrone football, hes not!!
Quote from: longballin on September 07, 2016, 09:52:13 AM
All Ireland final would be a success, means being able to snub RTE in build-up... that's the motivation 8)
I have my issues with Mickey Harte's approach but not on this. He is 100% right in this and it's the number one reason i want him to stay and reach a Final.
I think the County Board and the County should back him fully in this.
RTE are that petty they had this half story as headline sports news for two days.
In order to honour Mickey with proper dignity, we should rename the McKenna cup to the Harte cup.