Brexit.

Started by T Fearon, November 01, 2015, 06:04:06 PM

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mouview

Boris making a tit of himself again, blaming the EU as usual for regulations brought in by the UK.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49030873


seafoid

Quote from: Fionntamhnach on July 05, 2019, 03:58:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2019, 10:46:11 AM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on July 04, 2019, 01:35:53 AM
Jeremy Corbyn's high point of his leadership of the British Labour Party was in the aftermath of the 2017 General Election. The problem is that he has pretty much pissed away all goodwill from that point on mainly because of his prolonged sitting-on-the-fence concerning what moves to make regarding Brexit. Even some his closer allied MPs like Diane Abbott and John McDonnell are starting to quietly shift away from Corbyn because apart from the Momentum cheerleaders, he's quite unpopular with the public in general.

YouGov have a regular survey asking who would make the better PM, the PM or the leader of the opposition. In the last survey a month ago, May was ahead of Corbyn by 12 percentage points - though the real winner by a clear margin was "dunno".

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ep5kkaxc7j/YG%20Trackers%20-%20Best%20Prime%20Minister.pdf

In the linked PDF above, it shows that Corbyn's best head to head results were the two surveys after the last GE on 8th June 2017. Since then it's been going slowly downhill for him. May has been more consistent, until her numbers took a pummelling close to the original date for Brexit on 29th March 2019. When you consider everything that has gone on concerning how pathetic May has been since her snap General Election tactic backfired, Corbyn being utterly impotent to be able to take advantage of an almost open goal has shown he's not a capable leader of a major political party. Say what you want about Tony Blair, but he would have had eaten alive  most of the Tories over several breakfasts by this stage.

Polls are useless in times of extreme volatility because chaos is very difficult for a herd of people to understand.

The mantra from many Corbyn supporters ever since he was elected leader of the UK Labour party has been to rubbish any polling that doesn't show him in a good light - except the few that have actually shown him being competitive. Saying that polls since May became PM are useless is a cop out unless you can show that the methodology in conducting the polling is flawed.

Under his leadership, Labour have had two notable "blips" against expected forecasts - one was the 2017 General Election, the one May very much threw away what looked like the Tories getting a 100+ seat majority when it was announced, to where a few days before the poll the gap narrowed to where there was potential talk of May no longer having a majority in the Commons, or at least no better than what she had. The second one was in the recent by-election in Peterborough - the one where all the stars were aligning to give the Brexit Party its first MP, where the day before polling they were between 1/8 and 1/12 to win the seat. And they got pipped at the end. In the former, May's utter ineptitude to be a strong communicator coupled with a micromanaged campaign trail cost the Tories to end up having to do a confidence & supply deal with the DUP. Labour did better than expected, and celebrated like they won - but they were still in opposition and had no chance of forming a coalition themselves, the only victory being a moral one akin to Kinnock in 1987. In the latter, it was a combination of a large block of party activists whom descended on the constituency in the last two days before polling, coupled with a targeted vote by "remainers" to try and ensure the BXP did not win. A notable reversal from the EU elections where Labour's share of the vote went down 10 percentage points.

Even outside of issues like Brexit, Corbyn's leadership has been less than stellar, seeing several of his MPs break away, his handling of alleged Anti-Semetic attitudes within the party, reports of a toxic attitude within the parliamentary party mentioned by several MPs (fingers being pointed by Seamus Miline) etc. While plenty of this has been likely exaggerated by the usual fag-ends of the right-wing media in Britain, his ability to both handle such issues mentioned above and the way he's taken decisive action or not (like the Alistair Campbell expulsion) has shown him up as being little more than a common trope of modern left-wing politics in Britain, a politician of protest, but not a politician of governance. Corbyn is in his element standing at a particular base on the backbenches fighting on points of principle and being an eternal campaigner, but as a party leader whom has to try and bring along all factions together to battle as one, he's been useless.

And the thing is, there is quite a bit that Corbyn has stood for, for a long time, that is actually popular with the general British public. However the same right-wing media I mentioned above have done an excellent job that no matter what policies you might find popular, having them being attached to a certain party, party wing or politician will stop it dead in its tracks. There are popular ideas of having the likes of water, electric, rail networks etc. in public ownership hands, but will not vote for a Labour party, especially one that is being led from the party's left.

And the BIG problem right now is the man that is leading the party. Corbyn has pissed away goodwill from floating "Remain" voters whom were willing to give him a chance to shine even after giving lacklustre support to remaining in the EU in the 2016 referendum. And he's done nothing on that other than continuously gather splinters on his arse. A new labour party leader could have political views that, other than being a firm remainer, would largely chime with those of Corbyn and could help bring the right-leaning end of the Labour party at least into a ceasefire of sorts to put up a united front.

The fact is, Jeremy Corbyn has as much chance of becoming British Prime Minister now or in the future, as Foghorn Leghorn has of becoming the next James Bond. The longer he leads the Labour party, the more time that'll be needed to repair the party's image with the voting public, if it can be repaired at all.

The Tories haven''t collapsed yet. Labour are on 29%
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU


Solo_run

I would consider myself a labour voter but Corbyn should have left a long time ago. He won't beat Johnston because of his appeal to those who want Brexit. Yet Corbyn has quietly sat in the corner and offered no alternative. Then again what he believes in on a personal level are more likely to be fulfilled by letting Brexit happen.

seafoid

Corbyn is a huge threat to the powers that be because he wants to reboot the economy
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

imtommygunn

He's being murdered on the anti-semitic stuff though as well as his lack of conviction on anything brexit related.

armaghniac

Quote from: seafoid on July 19, 2019, 07:56:21 PM
Corbyn is a huge threat to the powers that be because he wants to reboot the economy

He wants to use the boot alright, but would likely boot the wrong people.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

seafoid

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 19, 2019, 08:31:50 PM
He's being murdered on the anti-semitic stuff though as well as his lack of conviction on anything brexit related.

The AS stuff started in 2014 after miliband announced support for Palestine e
Israel is trying to protect the Occupation. Zionism usually operates behind the scenes so this
is v unusual.

IrvineWelsh
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I wish people who call Corbyn antisemitic would have the balls to say he is therefore a racist. They won't, as this would make them even more ludicrous than they are now appearing.

Chuka Umunna's Flip Flops

@WarmongerHodges
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#Peston

has been a non-stop anti-Corbyn hatchet job for the last 10 minutes. The way they're talking, you'd think 50% of Labour members were antisemitic. It's 0.06% you twats. Why are you not mentioning that? Because if you did, viewers would wonder what all the fuss was about.

Jonathan Cook

@Jonathan_K_Cook

A troubling expose of significant conflicts of interest for the equality commission's leadership that may have influenced the decision to single out the Labour party, and not include the Tories or Ukip, for an investigation into antisemitism
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU


Jeepers Creepers


Denn Forever

I have more respect for a man
that says what he means and
means what he says...

armaghniac

Two to one margin.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B


red hander

I predict it will all end in tears (theirs) and laughter (ours). The guy is a 24-carat f**king clown, a liar and a charlatan ... perfect Tory Prime Minister material

yellowcard

I wonder how long it will take Johnson to break his pre election promises, I think his reign will be a short one and the DUP should be very wary, I think that Johnson will sell them out in a heartbeat.