Mayo Medical Team should be Sacked

[dublin7]

I watched the cork v mayo game on TG4 today. After the clash of heads between Lee Keegan an Eoin Cadogan both should have been substituted immediately.  Mayo physio signaled to take off Keegan but then changed his mind. Shortly afterwards a clearly distressed Keegan had to be helped from the field. To leave Keegan on the field for those additional minutes was an unnecessary and inexcusable risk to the long term health of the player. If the Mayo county board had any balls or concern for player welfare the medics involved should be told their services are no longer required

[Syferus]

No where near as bad as Enda Gilvarry and co. leaving Cian Hanley on after collapsing repeatedly with a cruciate tear v Kerry at minor in 2014.

Sadly Mayo are far from alone. Dublin left O'Gara totally frigged out on the field in the 2013 AI final themselves.

[dublin7]

No where near as bad as Enda Gilvarry and co. leaving Cian Hanley on after collapsing repeatedly with a cruciate tear v Kerry at minor in 2014.

Sadly Mayo are far from alone. Dublin left O'Gara totally frigged out on the field in the 2013 AI final themselves.

Big difference between o gara's torn hamstring and lee Keegan's head injury. With concussion another hit on lee Keegan could have had major repercussions.  First game of the season and game already lost no excuse to leave him on

[Syferus]

No where near as bad as Enda Gilvarry and co. leaving Cian Hanley on after collapsing repeatedly with a cruciate tear v Kerry at minor in 2014.

Sadly Mayo are far from alone. Dublin left O'Gara totally frigged out on the field in the 2013 AI final themselves.

Big difference between o gara's torn hamstring and lee Keegan's head injury. With concussion another hit on lee Keegan could have had major repercussions.  First game of the season and game already lost no excuse to leave him on

No excuse to leave any of the players listed on.

[From the Bunker]

No where near as bad as Enda Gilvarry and co. leaving Cian Hanley on after collapsing repeatedly with a cruciate tear v Kerry at minor in 2014.

Sadly Mayo are far from alone. Dublin left O'Gara totally frigged out on the field in the 2013 AI final themselves.

Big difference between o gara's torn hamstring and lee Keegan's head injury. With concussion another hit on lee Keegan could have had major repercussions.  First game of the season and game already lost no excuse to leave him on

Rory O'Carroll suffered a concussion in a high-profile incident in the 2013 All-Ireland football final but was left to play on for the final 16 minutes as Dublin had already used their five permitted substitutes.


Totally agree with you!

[dublin7]

No where near as bad as Enda Gilvarry and co. leaving Cian Hanley on after collapsing repeatedly with a cruciate tear v Kerry at minor in 2014.

Sadly Mayo are far from alone. Dublin left O'Gara totally frigged out on the field in the 2013 AI final themselves.

Big difference between o gara's torn hamstring and lee Keegan's head injury. With concussion another hit on lee Keegan could have had major repercussions.  First game of the season and game already lost no excuse to leave him on

Rory O'Carroll suffered a concussion in a high-profile incident in the 2013 All-Ireland football final but was left to play on for the final 16 minutes as Dublin had already used their five permitted substitutes.


Totally agree with you!

Agree he should have been taken off. Even in the last 2 years the medical knowledge of the effects of concussion in sport have come a long way. O'Carroll was in an all Ireland final with no sub to bring in so though he should have been taken off I can see why they didn't take him off (doesn't make it right & should have been taken off) Lee Keegan was playing 1st game of season and the game was lost for mayo. No benefit leaving him on

[From the Bunker]

No where near as bad as Enda Gilvarry and co. leaving Cian Hanley on after collapsing repeatedly with a cruciate tear v Kerry at minor in 2014.

Sadly Mayo are far from alone. Dublin left O'Gara totally frigged out on the field in the 2013 AI final themselves.

Big difference between o gara's torn hamstring and lee Keegan's head injury. With concussion another hit on lee Keegan could have had major repercussions.  First game of the season and game already lost no excuse to leave him on

Rory O'Carroll suffered a concussion in a high-profile incident in the 2013 All-Ireland football final but was left to play on for the final 16 minutes as Dublin had already used their five permitted substitutes.


Totally agree with you!

Agree he should have been taken off. Even in the last 2 years the medical knowledge of the effects of concussion in sport have come a long way. O'Carroll was in an all Ireland final with no sub to bring in so though he should have been taken off I can see why they didn't take him off (doesn't make it right & should have been taken off) Lee Keegan was playing 1st game of season and the game was lost for mayo. No benefit leaving him on

I agree! But you can see the different standard you are setting! Serious Injury is serious injury!

[moysider]

Should not be sacked. Doctor wanted him substituted when he was attending him but Keegan insisted he was ok to continue. Unless the Doctor dragged him off he was not leaving.

Obviously we need some guidelines put in place for a scenario like this where there are head injuries and a team doctor feels a player has possibility of concussion that the ref sends the player to the line like in the case of a blood injury. The player can then be assessed on the sideline like they do in rugby.

This would get rid of any ambiguity and unseemly rows between medical staff and players about coming off or not.

This medic got criticism a couple of years ago when some people thought he was too cautious with Aidan O Shea and Cillian O Connor in Limerick after a head clash. He kept them on the line for a lengthy period for assessment.

[mckieran]

Should not be sacked. Doctor wanted him substituted when he was attending him but Keegan insisted he was ok to continue. Unless the Doctor dragged him off he was not leaving.

Obviously we need some guidelines put in place for a scenario like this where there are head injuries and a team doctor feels a player has possibility of concussion that the ref sends the player to the line like in the case of a blood injury. The player can then be assessed on the sideline like they do in rugby.

This would get rid of any ambiguity and unseemly rows between medical staff and players about coming off or not.

This medic got criticism a couple of years ago when some people thought he was too cautious with Aidan O Shea and Cillian O Connor in Limerick after a head clash. He kept them on the line for a lengthy period for assessment.

It is not up to the player. The very nature of concussion means they are in no way placed to make the call of whether they should continue. The doctor should make the call and inform the manager that he has to be taken off. And the manager should ALWAYS listen to medical advice.

This was clearly a failing of the medical & management team. However, saying the medical team should be sacked is going too far.

[macdanger2]

Should there be a 3rd party doctor in place to make these calls??

[DJGaliv]

Agree with moysider. I think he should have been substituted and that the medical team need to be stronger there. They'll know that, but I do feel for them in the pressure they're going to get in the media in the coming week.

I heard James Horan talking about how the great medical team were coming back for this season. And he'd back their decision in a heartbeat if they thought a player should be removed, so it's a strange one today.

There's a lot of lads shouting about this issue of concussion. The problem is even the experts can't even agree on what can be done!
The truth of the matter is that within the medical world, it can't conclusively diagnose concussion pitch side. We have made a terrible mess about conveying this message to the wider population. So if we can't diagnose it all we can do is suspect it

Yes there are a few indicators of suspected concussion but no reliable conclusive test. That leaves us with a grey area of HIAs and SCAT tests that is not a solid medical science based diagnosis of concussion. This subjective nature of these tests leave the player, management and medical personnel in a tough situation full of maybes and probablys.

Management will want definites that medical teams can't supply. They'll rely on the "well it wasn't definite" answer to fall back on and leave him on the field. Therein lies the problem

With regard the six day return to play protocol, that's just another good guess along the lines of "rest up for a week and see how you are" medicine.

There needs to be an independent doctor who assess the player and with access to video footage of collisions to make the decision on a player.

[J70]

Its a sport, and an amateur sport at that, so suspect case, uncertain or not, should mean immediate withdrawal for proper assessment. Sure, there will be cases where little turns out to be wrong, but overcautiousness is far preferable to the alternative. The potential outcomes of failing to act are well enough documented at this stage.

[INDIANA]

No where near as bad as Enda Gilvarry and co. leaving Cian Hanley on after collapsing repeatedly with a cruciate tear v Kerry at minor in 2014.

Sadly Mayo are far from alone. Dublin left O'Gara totally frigged out on the field in the 2013 AI final themselves.

Big difference between o gara's torn hamstring and lee Keegan's head injury. With concussion another hit on lee Keegan could have had major repercussions.  First game of the season and game already lost no excuse to leave him on

No excuse to leave any of the players listed on.

Talking through your arse as ever. A hamstring heals- your brain doesn't

[Syferus]

No where near as bad as Enda Gilvarry and co. leaving Cian Hanley on after collapsing repeatedly with a cruciate tear v Kerry at minor in 2014.

Sadly Mayo are far from alone. Dublin left O'Gara totally frigged out on the field in the 2013 AI final themselves.

Big difference between o gara's torn hamstring and lee Keegan's head injury. With concussion another hit on lee Keegan could have had major repercussions.  First game of the season and game already lost no excuse to leave him on

No excuse to leave any of the players listed on.

Talking through your arse as ever. A hamstring heals- your brain doesn't

Not in 20 minutes young ladeen.

[INDIANA]

No where near as bad as Enda Gilvarry and co. leaving Cian Hanley on after collapsing repeatedly with a cruciate tear v Kerry at minor in 2014.

Sadly Mayo are far from alone. Dublin left O'Gara totally frigged out on the field in the 2013 AI final themselves.

Big difference between o gara's torn hamstring and lee Keegan's head injury. With concussion another hit on lee Keegan could have had major repercussions.  First game of the season and game already lost no excuse to leave him on

Rory O'Carroll suffered a concussion in a high-profile incident in the 2013 All-Ireland football final but was left to play on for the final 16 minutes as Dublin had already used their five permitted substitutes.


Totally agree with you!

Agree he should have been taken off. Even in the last 2 years the medical knowledge of the effects of concussion in sport have come a long way. O'Carroll was in an all Ireland final with no sub to bring in so though he should have been taken off I can see why they didn't take him off (doesn't make it right & should have been taken off) Lee Keegan was playing 1st game of season and the game was lost for mayo. No benefit leaving him on

Part of the reason why Rory has taken a year off is due to head knocks. He;'s had two bad concussions in two years. He should have been taken off end of stor- but again he insisted on staying