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Don't forget 90% of deaths have underlying problems happening

Ignoring that this is a completely unverified statistic, so what?

Fúck sick people. Fúck old people. Let them die so we can get back to the office and the pub? Is that it?

What was the craic on London bridge last night - any of you see the video with everyone standing around clapping with no social distancing and even worse, the police standing there joining in / not enforcing social distancing?

Is it social distancing except for the clap on a Thursday night or what? Mad stuff altogether.

https://twitter.com/AamerAnwar/status/1251053933323304960
https://twitter.com/AamerAnwar/status/1251053935722475520

This NHS clap stuff was never really much more than a convenient distraction for the thickest in British society, lest even they start to ask uncomfortable questions about why the NHS was in such a fragile state as the beginning of this crisis.

But now it's become actively dangerous, with scores of organisations involved in a perverse competition to out do each other with the most elaborate and flashy display of 'something'. 'Something' because it's certainly no longer about appreciating NHS workers - I'd imagine that hundreds of idiots on camera phones crowding onto a bridge in the centre of the hardest hit area of the UK is the last thing any NHS worker wants to see right now.

The biggest letdown is the bbc. Journalism in the uk is more or less dead and this illustrates it.

UK press has been neutered to some extent in the last couple of weeks by Johnson's illness. Any attack on his government's approach to things is an attack on his leadership. And it doesn't play well to appear to be going after a man on his sickbed (even his deathbed, as it maybe seemed for a short while).

The timing of his illness will probably be Johnson's saviour at the end of all this. He has managed to escape the scene just before the shit really began to hit the fan, and will likely ride back into town when things begin to pick up. A 'lucky' man in more ways than one.

Stephen Kenny's teams punched above their weight everywhere he went.

I think thats green tinted glasses. For every successful job he did like Dundalk and Dery there are terrible ones like Shamrock Rovers and Bohs.

I think he is an underdog manager. Can step into a smaller or struggling club and bounce it. But when he has gone into jobs with expectations there have been problems, especially with established players. He is a great manager, but are his skills transferable to international soccer,

I think that is a bit unfair. The Bohs gig was 20 years ago ffs. When he was a 30 year old novice.

The comment about struggling with expectations is a bit wide of the mark too. He won the double with Dundalk in 2014. Then, on the back of the increased expectations that such a success brings, continued to win things flat out right through to a second double four years later in 2018.

His short spell with the U21s was also very good, coming away with a better record than pretty much any of his predecessors. That augurs very well for his shot with the senior team.

I'm excited to see what he can do. His teams usually play an attractive style of football, with will hopefully be something of an antidote to the growing apathy around the national team. And he'll hopefully be in a position to benefit from the emergence of a handful of very promising young players.

Another 569 deaths logged today in the uk

Will Johnson survive this complete f**king mess he is overseeing? His total stupidity will ended up killing 10's of thousands of people.

If there's any natural justice, neither him nor any of the other failures leading the response to this crisis in the UK should ever be allowed hold a position of responsibility for the rest of their days.

But they'll be fine. They'll keep coming out with trite nationalistic rallying cries about the heroes in the NHS and the Great British spirit, and loads of thickos across the water will get it into their heads that they're all 'doing their best', and that any criticism is either partisan, or spiteful, or not helpful during this Great British emergency.

I see this hotshot has cracked it:



Forgets about your wet markets, lack of testing, masks, all that shite. It's all because of the gays. Or abortion. Or both.

www.itv.com/news/utv/2020-04-02/dup-councillor-blames-coronavirus-pandemic-on-god-s-judgment-for-legalising-abortion

[But that doesn't necessarily mean long-term immunity. There are other coronaviruses circulating among humans and although they induce immunity, this doesn't last. "Some other viruses in the coronavirus family, such as those that cause common colds, tend to induce immunity that is relatively short-lived, at around three months," says Peter Openshaw at Imperial College London."Because [the virus] is so new, we do not yet know how long any protection generated through infection will last. We urgently need more research looking at the immune responses of people who have recovered from infection to be sure," says Openshaw.Other immunologists agree. "Immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is not yet well understood and we do not know how protective the antibody response will be in the long-term," says Erica Bickerton at the Pirbright Institute in the UK."For ordinary coronavirus infections, you do not get lasting immunity," says Longini. "You can be infected over and over, and we really don't know for this novel coronavirus if that's also true."]

Can you catch the coronavirus twice? We don't know yet

We don't have enough evidence yet to know if recovering from covid-19 induces immunity, or whether any immunity would give long-lasting protection against the coronavirus

HEALTH 25 March 2020
By Graham Lawton

SAY you have caught covid-19 and recovered – are you now immune for life, or could you catch it again? We just don't know yet.

In February, reports emerged of a woman in Japan who had been given the all-clear after having covid-19 but then tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 virus a second time. There have also been reports of a man in Japan testing positive after being given the all-clear, and anecdotal cases of second positives have emerged from China, too.

This has raised fears that people may not develop immunity to the virus. This would mean that, until we have an effective vaccine, we could all experience repeated rounds of infection.

But the science is still uncertain. "There is some anecdotal evidence of reinfections, but we really don't know," says Ira Longini at the University of Florida. It may be that the tests used were unreliable, which is a problem with tests for other respiratory viruses, says Jeffrey Shaman at Columbia University in New York.

Early signs from small animal experiments are reassuring. A team from the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences in Beijing exposed four rhesus macaques to the virus. A week later, all four were ill with covid-19-like symptoms and had high virus loads. Two weeks later, the macaques had recovered and were confirmed to have antibodies to the virus in their bloodstream.

The researchers then tried to reinfect two of them but failed, which suggests the animals were immune (bioRxiv, doi.org/ggn8r8). "That finding is very encouraging, as it suggests that it is possible to induce protective immunity against the virus," says Alfredo Garzino-Demo at the University of Maryland School of Medicine.

But that doesn't necessarily mean long-term immunity. There are other coronaviruses circulating among humans and although they induce immunity, this doesn't last. "Some other viruses in the coronavirus family, such as those that cause common colds, tend to induce immunity that is relatively short-lived, at around three months," says Peter Openshaw at Imperial College London.

"Because [the virus] is so new, we do not yet know how long any protection generated through infection will last. We urgently need more research looking at the immune responses of people who have recovered from infection to be sure," says Openshaw.

Other immunologists agree. "Immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is not yet well understood and we do not know how protective the antibody response will be in the long-term," says Erica Bickerton at the Pirbright Institute in the UK.

"For ordinary coronavirus infections, you do not get lasting immunity," says Longini. "You can be infected over and over, and we really don't know for this novel coronavirus if that's also true."

Other infectious disease specialists are more optimistic. "The evidence is increasingly convincing that infection with SARS-CoV-2 leads to an antibody response that is protective. Most likely this protection is for life," says Martin Hibberd at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine. "Although we need more evidence to be sure of this, people who have recovered are unlikely to be infected with SARS-CoV-2 again."

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Are you insinuating in any way that there will be any doubtful financial practice going on?? The company behind this is fully regulated,  as a service product VAT will be charged unless you're from ROI.


Give me your opinion on this Gallsman as you are the only single negative voice on this so far! Sorry I'm not on Twitter either.

Let's take  my boss the man who decided weeks ago to purchase these self test kits is looking back on his "enterprise" in a few months when/if things settle down.

He will hopefully have sold 250,000 kits and made netting one pound on each after tax postage employees etc. Of the self assessment kits let's say 1/10 - that's  25 thousand people get a positive diagnosis a week earlier than they normally would, and 1/100 of those who did so (that's 250) lives were saved because not only did they act early, but are well slept well got their immune systems strong, avoided absolutely everyone, etc, etc.

I'd say this particular businessman acted wisely and with decent morality and in not only keeping his company viable going forward played a big part in saving 250 people.

Do you think those 250 people and their families will think he was profiteering by making netting £1 out of each sale?

Just saying I think you're very quick assumption on the matter is on the wrong side of opinion here Gallsman.

Having said that I'm still prob not going to get involved...might pass on a lead or two that's about it.

Surely these are antibody tests rather than diagnostic tests? They'll tell you if you've had the virus and now have the antibodies to show for it, but they are of limited benefit if you've only just contracted it.

[was about to say same thing if thats how a weaker team can realistically make it to qf]

How are  the weaker teams going to get a longer Summer ?(assuming any sport takes place during the Summer)
If this wet dream 32 County knock out competition materialises most weak Counties will be gone after 1 game.
At least with the Provincial/ Qualifier system they get 2 games in Summer.

Well, if Leitrim draw Wicklow, and winners played Waterford or Antrim - that's a lower placed team in the AI QF.

Likewise, Dublin Kerry in round 1. Winners play Mayo or Tyrone. There's 3 big teams gone before the QF.

was about to say same thing if thats how a weaker team can realistically make it to qf
Big odds on that scenario but not impossible. Would freshen the thing up. I'd be all for the open draw every year, not just this year.

Yeah, but is that such a bad thing?

The current format (even more than the pre-qualifier era) favours the big teams, and it's boring as hell.

Look at the 1st round games we've had in the past: Dublin Meath 1991, Derry Down 1994. Who wouldn't want that?

2008 FA cup. All the big teams went out. Portsmouth Cardiff West Brom and Barnsley were the last four. If we had the odd season like that, it would do wonders for the championship

Yeah, things like that happening have really seen the FA Cup go from strength to strength.

And where should the kids of front line staff go?

Where do they go down south?

So don't close the schools then. As it stands we will have about 60% of the school in.

But is 40% at home not better than 0% at home? Is it not all relative? Btw, I am not saying the action is correct but surely any limiting of contact is better than none?

Yeah. Even if half the kids are still coming in, the effect of the other half being away cuts transmission rates by 50%.

Problem is keeping kids who are off school properly distanced. Drive around Belfast, or probably any town in the north, today and you'll see large groups of teens out enjoying the sunshine together. And parents dragging hordes of primary school age kids around the shops. People, young and not so young, are treating this like their summer holidays.

The message is not getting through. Not even close. We need a shutdown and cops on the street sending people home.

The UK have 104 deaths as of today.  If we / they are tracking at the same rate as Italy the number tomorrow should be approx 145.
Will be interesting to see.

144!

That was very accurate. What's your thoughts on the upcoming days

It'll be approx 190 - 195

Yep, as per this:

https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1240331177686433793?s=19

Exactly two weeks behind Italy. And they're actually doing something about it. The UK will end up hardest hit out of anywhere in Europe by the time this is done, even with the advanced warning they were given. Diabolical mistakes have been made, and still being made. The fallout will be colossal - it will change the country forever.

I don't know if it's right or wrong. Neither do you. Nobody does. We'll know in a year when we've gone through another winter. What I do know is that I'd follow the advice of leading scientists, before that of a load of arseholes writing under a story on Facebook, that this is a medical experiment. The oul ones are mostly Tory voters so there is no way Boris is knocking them off.

You accept that uk is only country following this "herd immunity" approach though? So from that we can extrapolate the brits think they have better scientists than anywhere else in the world. So they either do or they don't.  I think they are arrogant and this is part of he "we are free from the EU so can do our own thing" mentality. I fear it will be catastrophic and the north should follow the EU approach.

What is the EU approach?

Ate you living in a cave ffs. Google it. The EU are doing what the WHO recommend we do.

But the EU response is to support individual member states in whatever steps the want to take and where they can benefit from cooperation to aid that cooperation. Health and public health are devolved matters. The is a wide and evolving range of responses in EU states.

So not in a cave. Googled it as you said and stand by my original question

What countries in the EU are going a different route to the WHO?

Sweden. The ballbags.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-51836206

The f**kers know we're vulnerable.

Who's not taking precautions?

The amount of boarders who lose their shit to anonymous strangers is staggering

Calm down love, not every post in this thread is aimed directly at you.

As for who still isn't taking adequate precautions? A significant proportion of the population, in my observations these last few days anyway. It helps to reinforce the message that the little things we can all do matters greatly.

Sadly, as the virus establishes here it's likely only a matter of time before the 'sure there's nothing we can do about it now' trope gains traction. It's usually the next weapon in the denialist's arsenal once the 'it's not really that serious' line becomes too hot to spin.

I thought this was a nice simple graphic to explain the need for taking responsible action over the next while. Just in case anyone out there was still insistent on being a dick.