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#16
General discussion / Re: Lorry Tragedy
October 27, 2019, 12:26:42 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 27, 2019, 11:45:00 AM
Three released on bail, so it that only Mo left on his own, well at the minute.

A 23 year old man from Co Down who was arrested yesterday in Dublin port remains in custody

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/eamon-harrison-appears-court-after-17153090.amp?__twitter_impression=true
#17
General discussion / Re: Lorry Tragedy
October 26, 2019, 05:18:27 PM
The net is closing.....
#18
General discussion / Re: Lorry Tragedy
October 26, 2019, 02:17:44 AM
The GPS tracking information handed over by the rental firm has been very informative and shines a light on it's movements.

Not only that, but the fact that several Vietnamese people are missing has opened a new line of inquiry. 

Apparently the trailer was rented in Monaghan, travelled north, then crossed from Dublin to Holyhead overnight on Tuesday of last week.. It then crossed from Dover to Calais later that night, and was in France on Thursday. It has stopped at known migrant camp arrears. It has then apparently made a crossing from Zeebrugge to Tilbury, and back before it returned on that fateful night last Tuesday. Did that previous trip contain migrants? The pin point accuracy of the tracker will show exactly every movement of that trailer from the minute it left Monaghan on rent, until it stopped in the Industrial Estate. 

If the text message from the girl saying they couldn't breathe is to be from the fridge, then we can rule out that they froze to death. Something else went wrong. There are a couple of fridge issues that could be to blame.

If I was guessing, when the driver arrived to collect the trailer, he knew something was wrong temperature wise,
but couldn't open the door as it was sealed, and it might be checked at exit from port.
He hooks up and then drives a couple of mile into the Industrial Estate to check.

Breaking the seal isn't an issue at this stage......

He opens the doors, see's the carnage.
Ambulances are called, and then they call the police.
Driver arrested.

This evening on the news I listened to a Vietnamese official in London say that from what they know so far is that
families were paying up to £30,000 to get someone to the UK. They would be taken to China and given a false identity. (which could explain why the police initially thought they were Chinese), and then fly to Belgium or France as tourists.
Then they would meet up with contacts, and put in on trailers to the UK.

Vietnam is the 3rd largest number of people who are victims of human trafficking

He described it as people trafficking on an Industrial Scale.

BBC news had interviews with Vietnamese people in camps close to the ports in France saying they were waiting for the call to go and it was costing them up to £30,000.

The couple arrested in Warrington used to own the lorry. They said they sold it to a company in Monaghan last year. While I have heard that the lorry belonged to a company in Monaghan, I have read that the driver owned the lorry himself. Could he be the company in Monaghan who bought the lorry?

Could both parties be linked in all of this perhaps?

Journalists have been going to the house of the alleged link in Monaghan, and they have got short shift.
The Gardai have apparently said they are satisfied that there isn't a big Irish connection.

Considering people were prepared to pay £30,000 to get to the UK, it fair to say that the most difficult part is crossing the channel. Therefore, that would  mean that possibly £10,000 per person would go to those covering this part.

That's almost £400,000 for that load that went wrong. How many others got through?

I know of a large haulage firm who turned £70 million and only made £650,000 last year. 

The scale of profit on this is staggering, and it's not hard to see the attraction of it for certain people.

There can't be much lower forms of making money than trafficking people like a product or commodity.

It's like a slave trade.




#19
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 25, 2019, 02:54:48 PM
I see a big social media campaign #JusticeforMo. What do we think of it all?

Let the police conclude their investigation first i say
#20
Quote from: Square Ball on October 25, 2019, 12:44:42 PM
Two further arrests. Think we need a thread on this

Had read about this couple yesterday.  They owned the lorry previously but say they sold it to someone in Monaghan a year ago
#21
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 25, 2019, 10:45:24 AM
How do they know the victims were Chinese?

Early identification by authorities have said so
#22
Quote from: Hereiam on October 25, 2019, 09:36:25 AM
It wouldn't be normal practice for a tractor unit to head off from Ireland to England without a load on behind... would it, surly to make these trips economically viable the unit needs to always be pulling a trailer loaded with something.

It is extremely rare that a lorry would travel out on a boat and drive that distance to wait a couple of days to collect a trailer.  The rates for haulage are bad enough and it makes no sense doing it
#23
Firstly I want to acknowledge that 39 men and women died in tragic circumstances. what a cruel death they suffered.

As a lorry driver who hauls temperature controlled goods on fridges between Ireland and the UK, and drops off
and collects refrigerated trailers at ports between Ireland and the UK I have a bit of knowledge of the way things work.

To collect a trailer at the port you must produce a reference number supplied from your company and show ID.
Your details are entered into the computer and you are given an exit pass. You go collect the trailer, and do your checks.
Paperwork is usually in an external compartment and you retrieve that. You check on the temperature of the fridge (if it is
a chilled load you are collecting), and if the trailer isn't sealed, you open the doors and check inside if the load is stable. If the doors are sealed, you do not break the seal and open the doors, especially if it is a temperature controlled load. When you have done these checks, you hook up and go. At security on way out, they check your pass. They check the trailer number and reference  against their records, and if correct, they let you go. (There are usually camera recording you and your movements when enter and exit at the security checks). You then either go on to deliver the load, or bring it back to the yard.

Looking at what has happened in Essex I can only go this much. 

The driver left Ireland solo (without a trailer) and arrived in Holyhead on Sunday. He then travelled down to Essex and on Tuesday night/ Wednesday morning he went into the docks and collected a trailer. He would have to have shown his ID and produced a reference number. Given that the ship had docked shortly before he would have been aware what time the trailer was ready for collection. He then hooked up and would then have had to show his exit pass on the way out that corresponded with the trailer.

Where  the load was for, we don't know. What we do know is that he only drove a couple of miles into an Industrial Estate,  stopped and got out of the truck and then opened the doors. There was a load in the trailer, of which we don't know, and the bodies of 39 men and women, lifeless. A call was made by someone to the ambulance service, and it was they that they called called the police. A few hours later the driver was arrested on suspicion of murder, and has been held since, with the police been given another 48 hours to question him.

The police will go through tracking devices on the truck and trailer, ANPR cameras will track all the trucks movements on the
roads in the UK to determine when and where it went, and shipping records will show the trailer movements. Authorities on the Belgium side will be able to identify the truck who delivered the trailer into the docks for shipping, and the driver. Again, their movements will be easy to track. The drivers phone / phones will be dissected. Temperature details of the trailer will be easily available. Paperwork will be investigated. CCTV from routes along the way will be poured over. Any evidence gathered from searches of both his and his parents homes, along with another house  will be thoroughly examined. 

My best guess is this. He went in and picked up the trailer and noticed something was wrong with the fridge temperature wise.
either the fridge was switched off or had run out of diesel, or the temperature was set too low. He pulled out and maybe made a phone call to someone, and then pulled into a quiet spot to check on the trailer. From the images I have seen it appears he stopped in a hurry. He's got out to check on the load and discovered the worst. If the load was sealed, why did he break the seal. And if the load wasn't sealed, then why did he not open the doors in the docks when he collected the trailer?

Fridges run at temperatures from -30 to +30 depending on the load. Lets say the fridge was set for +15, then that's a supply of fresh air at that temperature as long as the fridge is running. On the ferry, if the fridge is loaded on an open deck the fridge is powered by it's own engine, or by an electric plug in the bottom decks. Either way, fresh air is going through the trailer at a certain temperature. If the fridge is stopped, then it is a sealed box with no fresh air getting in.

As things stand, it's not looking good for the driver who has been named and has had his photos plastered everywhere, something which is wrong. And why has nobody in the media identified who owned the lorry?

While debate and questions will go on, 39 men and women died a horrible death

People took money of them and  put them in a trailer and shipped them to the UK.

People in the UK knew the trailer was arriving and arranged transport.

Let's hope as many people involved at any level in this go to jail for a very long time.





#24
General discussion / Re: Cookstown Incident
March 26, 2019, 01:30:09 PM
Things going from bad to worse for the police regarding the tragedy at the Greenvale last week as it now emerges that the 1st police to arrive at the scene withdrew until the ambulance arrived.  This is turning into a shambles for the police so far.

#25
General discussion / Re: Cookstown Incident
March 22, 2019, 08:36:14 PM
Connor Curries teammates huddle around his coffin today in Edendork.


#26
General discussion / Re: Cookstown Incident
March 21, 2019, 11:31:40 PM
I have just read this thread from start to finish and can't believe what some of you have been posting and discussing.
3 young people have lost their lives in tragic circumstances and it's pathetic to read what some of you have been saying.
As pointed out previously there are a lot of Tyrone posters on here and we all have connections in one way or another
to those there, and to those who died.

Anyhow, what happened on Sunday night was a tragedy and a very dark day that has affected so many people, and
especially the 3 families who will have to bury their children tomorrow. Hundreds of teeneagers went out for a night
and they got caught up in a tragedy that will leave a deep scar for life.

I had 2 nephews who were there and thankfully they got out safely. Sadly one nephew was a good friend of one of those who died. They had been classmates from 4 years old, and played together over the years on under age teams. He is broken hearted. At one stage he had been talking to him in the crowd, and the next he saw him receiving CPR. Last night and tonight he was at his wake, and tomorrow he will be at his funeral.  What a brutal experience to go through, and he's not on his own.

There are a lot of questions to be asked, and hopefully, through time they will be answered, but for now, we are a community in mourning and we have 3 funerals tomorrow.



#27
GAA Discussion / Re: Concerned Gaels
March 01, 2019, 12:15:16 AM
Well folks, and to bring you up to speed and bring some closure, and no doubt some further debate,
let me bring you all up to speed.

Following the arrest in Navan that day of the Tyrone fan with the Palestinian flag, the Gardai issued a statement
that contained 2 lies.

They said that people complained that their view of the match was obstructed by his flag, when in fact he was arrested
25 minutes before the match had begun. All video and photo evidence prove this.

The second lie is in that they said he was dealt with by way of an Adult Caution and released.

When he was released he was told he was to sign a form that said he had received an adult caution.

That was to be the end of it. July last year.

Then 5 weeks ago he received a summons to appear in Trim court last Tuesday on charges of Threatening Abusive
and Insulting behaviour.

So much for the Gardai statement saying he was dealt with by way of an Adult Caution and released?

Anyhow, myself and 2 good friends accompanied him to court on Tuesday and we had a good chat with the duty
barrister and after presenting him with the Gardai statement and the video evidence, he promised to fight
the case based on their words.

When the case came up the judge asked the Gardai clerk what was the charge before the court, he replied

"Your honor, we have no file" to which the judge replied, "Struck Out"

What a result. And as you can imagine, delighted........

What happened that day in Navan was a disgrace, and if the Gardai had of wanted to put up a case, there
was plenty of video, photos, and their own statement. to put up a defence that would have seen the case thrown out.

Justice was served last Tuesday when the case against Paddy Reilly from Dungannon was struck out because the Gardai
couldn't produce a file in court.

They tried to smear his name and character, and when push came to shove, they couldn't put a case before the judge.



Case against Dungannon man arrested after Palestinian flag incident struck out by Co Meath court

A COURT in Co Meath has struck out a case against a Tyrone man charged after a Palestinian flag was flown at a GAA match last year.

Dungannon man Paddy Reilly had been accused of engaging in threatening, abuse or insulting words or behaviour with intent to provoke a breach of the peace.

The 41-year-old was arrested after being told by gardai to stop flying a Palestinian flag before an all-Ireland qualifier match between Meath and Tyrone in Navan last June.

A video of the Tyrone man, who needs a hip replacement and uses crutches, being taken from the terraces was later posted online.

At the time Mr Reilly was also recovering from a condition known as encephalitis - which involves the swelling of the brain.

Mr Reilly was taken to Navan Garda station and later released.

However, he later received a letter telling him he was being charged and given a date to appear in court.

He believed he had received an adult caution before leaving the Garda station.

He claims that during a hearing at Trim District Court on Tuesday a judge struck the case out.

Mr Reilly, whose father is currently ill, last night said he was pleased with the result.

"It was the last thing I needed," he said.

"I'm pleased this is struck out and I can move on with my own life and look after my da.

"It's a victory for showing solidarity for the oppressed Palestinian people in their difficult times at our national sport - the real beautiful game that is the GAA."

That incident took place weeks after an Ulster Council official ordered the removal of two Palestinian flags during an Ulster championship match featuring Tyrone and Monaghan in Omagh.

Well known Palestine campaigner John Hurson, who managed the official Tyrone social media feeds during games involving the county, was later removed from the role after he intervened in Omagh.

A spokesman for the Irish Court Service confirmed the case had been struck out.

A spokesman for An Garda Síochána it does "not comment on matters before the court".

At the time a garda spokesman said officers attending the Tyrone match "received a number of complaints from attendees that their view was obscured by a flag".

http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/02/28/news/case-against-dungannon-man-arrested-after-palestinian-flag-incident-struck-out-by-co-meath-court-1562203/
#28
GAA Discussion / Re: JP McManus - Christmas comes early
September 26, 2018, 11:55:24 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 25, 2018, 10:54:48 PM
JP McManus' tax issue is not new news. So to those people using the news of the donation to the GAA clubs as an opportunity to vent about his tax status, would you be happier if he didn't give this money to the GAA and will you be lobbying your club not to accept it as a point of principle?

You raise a good point in that it will be interesting to see if any clubs refuse to take the money based on questions around his tax affairs.

Not only that, given his association to gambling, it will also be interesting to see if anyone speaks out around that issue.

I guess we will have to wait and see if there is any fallout in relation to those issues.
#29
GAA Discussion / Re: JP McManus - Christmas comes early
September 26, 2018, 11:50:47 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on September 26, 2018, 11:00:13 AM
Ye just KNOW the churlish cnuts on here complaining are EXACTLY the type of people who would NEVER put their hand in their own pocket to give a single sou to any charitable cause of any description.

Have you any evidence to back that statement up ?
#30
GAA Discussion / Re: JP McManus - Christmas comes early
September 25, 2018, 01:30:47 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 25, 2018, 01:09:56 AM
Quote from: give her dixie on September 25, 2018, 01:02:21 AM
Irish billionaire JP McManus 'has paid no tax in Ireland for 20 years'

Irish billionaire JP McManus has paid no income tax or capital gains tax in Ireland for the past 20 years, an official Revenue statement shows.

McManus "has not been registered for income tax or capital gains tax in Ireland since 1995," Revenue said in a statement reported by the Sunday Times.

McManus, who is regarded as the 11th richest person in Ireland, with assets just under €1.1billion, lives for part of the year in a €20million mansion near Kilmallock, Co Limerick.

The statement was included in court filings from the United States Inland Revenue Service, which is fighting an application by McManus to recoup €4.6million in taxes it held back after he won $17.4million playing backgammon with a fellow American billionaire.

McManus became tax-resident in Switzerland in the 1990s.

Under Revenue rules, he is not regarded as domiciled in Ireland if he is not in the state for 183 days or more during a year.

https://www.newstalk.com/Irish-billionaire-JP-McManus-has-paid-no-tax-in-Ireland-for-20-years

Is he doing anything different than what we would do in the same position?? Get a grip folks. PR stunt or not, its a nice gesture. My club will be very glad of it

The next time a GAA player waits for hours to be seen in a hospital, or has to pay towards the upkeep of their local school
they can take comfort in the fact that JP pays nothing towards these services but threw them a few pounds to their club.