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Could someone direct me to the Papal's visit to Ireland thread? I seem to have stumbled into the durex thread

I see the Vatican have admitted that the Pope did give a private meeting to Kim Davies. She is the woman who is citing her religious faith (she is a Baptist) as a reason for not carrying out her duties as a county clerk by refusing to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples.

Irony alert - despite her public statements where she states that marriage is an institution sanctified and given by the Almighty, she is currently on her fourth husband. So the Pope gets her in and apparently gives her Rosary beads and tells her to "stay strong"

Plus ca change....

Very disappointing - maybe PR is this guy's only strong point.

lets just hope she doesn't refuse to bake a cake

"Of course, the analogy doesn't work, because it implies some sort of correlation between the Queen and the Nazi salute, which would be entirely ludicrous"

Going by the photographs McClean faced the flag with everyone else, then turned away from it. Clearly bringing attention to himself.

I don't see the relationship between your comment and the bit you quoted.

No relationship, the quotation was in reply to other posters referring to the English team and the Nazi salute in the 1930's

"Of course, the analogy doesn't work, because it implies some sort of correlation between the Queen and the Nazi salute, which would be entirely ludicrous"

Going by the photographs McClean faced the flag with everyone else, then turned away from it. Clearly bringing attention to himself.

Am I missing something here? He was standing for the anthem. When the irish anthem is played I turn to face the flag. I wouldn't turn to face another flag I would stand facing forward out of respect. The fact his head is down is a non issue too. Anyone that feels he is out of order, catch yourself on. Show a bit of support for your countryman as there are enough people about to knock him.

He turned towards the flag like the rest of the team, then he turned back and put his head down, which would clearly draw attention to him. He could have stood facing it with his head down. If he had, I don't think he would have disrespected any of the victims from the troubles. Likewise he would have kept his own fans happy, and the trolls quiet.

Finishing touches put to new look bonfire for 11th night

[Jamie Bryson( and no its not a parody one)]

From twitter account of Jamie Bryson( and no its not a parody one)
" if the ROI foolishly vote YES I'll be proud to be living in the last bastion of Biblical Protestantism in the Western world. Our wee country"
A soul mate for Tony methinks

He doesn't need a parody account, it wouldn't be as funny

I'm sure I've posted this here before but it's as true now as it was when I first read it 14 years ago:

Gay-Pride Parade Sets Mainstream Acceptance Of Gays Back 50 Years

April 25, 2001
VOL 44 ISSUE 26

WEST HOLLYWOOD, CA–The mainstream acceptance of gays and lesbians, a hard-won civil-rights victory gained through decades of struggle against prejudice and discrimination, was set back at least 50 years Saturday in the wake of the annual Los Angeles Gay Pride Parade.

Participants in Saturday's Los Angeles Gay Pride Parade, which helped change straight people's tolerant attitudes toward gays.

"I'd always thought gays were regular people, just like you and me, and that the stereotype of homosexuals as hedonistic, sex-crazed deviants was just a destructive myth," said mother of four Hannah Jarrett, 41, mortified at the sight of 17 tanned and oiled boys cavorting in jock straps to a throbbing techno beat on a float shaped like an enormous phallus. "Boy, oh, boy, was I wrong."

The parade, organized by the Los Angeles Gay And Lesbian And Bisexual And Transvestite And Transgender Alliance (LAGALABATATA), was intended to "promote acceptance, tolerance, and equality for the city's gay community." Just the opposite, however, was accomplished, as the event confirmed the worst fears of thousands of non-gay spectators, cementing in their minds a debauched and distorted image of gay life straight out of the most virulent right-wing hate literature.

Among the parade sights and sounds that did inestimable harm to the gay-rights cause: a group of obese women in leather biker outfits passing out clitoris-shaped lollipops to horrified onlookers; a man in military uniform leading a submissive masochist, clad in diapers and a baby bonnet, around on a dog leash; several Hispanic dancers in rainbow wigs and miniskirts performing "humping" motions on a mannequin dressed as the Pope; and a dozen gyrating drag queens in see-through dresses holding penis-shaped beer bottles that appeared to spurt ejaculation-like foam when shaken and poured onto passersby.

Timothy Orosco, 51, a local Walgreens manager whose store is on the parade route, changed his attitude toward gays as a result of the event.

"They kept chanting things like, 'We're here, we're queer, get used to it!' and 'Hey, hey, we're gay, we're not going to go away!'" Orosco said. "All I can say is, I was used to it, but now, although I'd never felt this way before, I wish they would go away."

Allison Weber, 43, an El Segundo marketing consultant, also had her perceptions and assumptions about gays challenged by the parade.

"My understanding was that gay people are just like everybody else–decent, hard-working people who care about their communities and have loving, committed relationships," Weber said. "But, after this terrifying spectacle, I don't want them teaching my kids or living in my neighborhood."

The parade's influence extended beyond L.A.'s borders, altering the attitudes of straight people across America. Footage of the event was featured on telecasts of The 700 Club as "proof of the sin-steeped world of homosexuality." A photo spread in Monday's USA Today chronicled many of the event's vulgar displays–understood by gays to be tongue-in-cheek "high camp"–which horrified previously tolerant people from coast to coast.

Dr. Henry Thorne, a New York University history professor who has written several books about the gay-rights movement, explained the misunderstanding.

"After centuries of oppression as an 'invisible' segment of society, gays, emboldened by the 1969 Stonewall uprising, took to the streets in the early '70s with an 'in-your-face' attitude. Confronting the worst prejudices of a world that didn't accept them, they fought back against these prejudices with exaggeration and parody, reclaiming their enemies' worst stereotypes about them and turning them into symbols of gay pride," Thorne said. "Thirty years later, gays have won far greater acceptance in the world at large, but they keep doing this stuff anyway."

"Mostly, I think, because it's really fun," Thorne added.

The Los Angeles Gay Pride Parade, Thorne noted, is part of a decades-old gay-rights tradition. But, for mainstream heterosexuals unfamiliar with irony and the reclamation of stereotypes for the purpose of exploding them, the parade resembled an invasion of grotesque outer-space mutants, bent on the destruction of the human race.

"I have a cousin who's a gay, and he seemed like a decent enough guy to me," said Iowa City, IA, resident Russ Linder, in Los Angeles for a weekend sales seminar. "Now, thanks to this parade, I realize what a freak he's been all along. Gays are all sick, immoral perverts."

Parade organizers vowed to make changes in the wake of the negative reaction among heterosexuals.

"I knew it. I said we needed 100 dancers on the 'Show Us Your Ass' float, but everybody insisted that 50 would be enough," said Lady Labia, spokesperson for LAGALABATATA. "Next year, we're really going to give those breeders something to look at."

What is? Sorry I'm not getting your point/post

If it was £500 and all over the media?

All of us I'd say

If it wasn't all over the media?

Why do you ask questions like this?

'What if he wasn't an activist?'

I asked this because if he had a been someone else from the gay community, who were refused, they might have said "f**k you" and left the shop. The fact that he is an activist, the attention gained from this case is helpful. I am not against gay marriage etc. but I still don't agree with the verdict, as it appears to have opened up can of worms for businesses, as there may well be some people putting this verdict to the test on certain businesses. Likewise if it was the other way about ( i.e. gay business owner asked to ice a cake with "heterosexual marriage only" on it) I would still disagree with the verdict. Yes a business has responsibility not to enforce their views on the customer but I believe a customer also has some responsibility and respect the views of the business. It's probably why we have never heard of a customer going into a shop on the Falls Road asking for a t-shirt with a Union Jack on it etc.       


What if you didn't read this post?

If it was £500 and all over the media?

All of us I'd say

If it wasn't all over the media?

Gareth Lee has said he will donate the money to charity, which is a nice gesture.

Be honest, how many people on here could say they would do that after a case?

Dealt with depression on my own for a long time , lately i have felt myself going into a very dark place and it scares me . I can shake it off and talk myself around to thinking that things will get better but then I go back into this fuckin weird zone like asking myself  , what's the point there's nothing to be gained by carrying on through life like this , this only lasts for a brief period would end when I finish crying and wallowing in self pity by me sort of kicking myself up the hole and telling myself to cop on to f**k.  It's hard to explain and I probably shouldn't of typed in here but sure what harm can it do really .

I don't know how helpful I can be but I hope you feel somewhat better that you did type this up. That by coming on and sharing has lifted some of the pain or burden that you may experience.

Can't have a same-sex marriage debate without putting this song up,

https://youtu.be/hlVBg7_08n0

maybe it has already been on.

Was he homosexual?

no

Wouldn't have thought he was discriminated against then.

ok

Discrimination is legally defined in (probably) every jurisdiction, thus there are small differences from state to state. But the usual list includes religion, age, gender, sexual orientation, traveller (in the 26 anyway) and a few more I can't think of. Having a tattoo isn't one of them so it would be highly unlikely to succeed in a discrimination case.

That's fine muppet, but what is up with the picture you put up? I don't get it

Was he homosexual?

no

Wouldn't have thought he was discriminated against then.

ok