Water Charges. How much?

[Hound]

Why should water be free? Why? I don't understand this?

Who paid for it prior to Irish Water being set-up? If you know who and where they are, can you ask them to come back?

Mike, do you believe this type of stuff, or just type it for a laugh?

Its a form of tax. Country needs money and collects it through various taxes and charges.

Its actually ridiculous how there has been absolutely no debate about how to raise this money if Water Charges are abolished.
If people thought Motor Tax would increase, or Dole would decrease, or USC would increase if there was no water charges, then we might have a reasoned debate - instead you'd think its a choice between paying for water or paying nothing! Not to mention the "we already pay for our water through other tax" childish nonsense

[foxcommander]

Do you think water prices will be set to stay at 3 euro per week forever?

It's pretty simple, the utility is being heavily pushed by the government promising low cost to households.

As soon as it is accepted and implemented it will be open to price changes at the whim of the authorities and/or sold off to a third party to make massive profits - the last bits of the family silver to pawn off to feed the TD pension funds.
Families will be faced with yet another decision on which utility it can afford to pay - will they go without heating/electric/water/food/housing in a particular month. Grim eh?

[Hound]

Do you think water prices will be set to stay at 3 euro per week forever?

It's pretty simple, the utility is being heavily pushed by the government promising low cost to households.

As soon as it is accepted and implemented it will be open to price changes at the whim of the authorities and/or sold off to a third party to make massive profits - the last bits of the family silver to pawn off to feed the TD pension funds.
Families will be faced with yet another decision on which utility it can afford to pay - will they go without heating/electric/water/food/housing in a particular month. Grim eh?

So the money for the water charges will be going to the politicians?
That's grim alright, glad you're here to keep us in the picture.

I propose an XBox/Playstation tax to replace the Water Charges 

[foxcommander]

Do you think water prices will be set to stay at 3 euro per week forever?

It's pretty simple, the utility is being heavily pushed by the government promising low cost to households.

As soon as it is accepted and implemented it will be open to price changes at the whim of the authorities and/or sold off to a third party to make massive profits - the last bits of the family silver to pawn off to feed the TD pension funds.
Families will be faced with yet another decision on which utility it can afford to pay - will they go without heating/electric/water/food/housing in a particular month. Grim eh?

So the money for the water charges will be going to the politicians?

Of course not.

The money raised for water charges will be strictly used for improving the infrastructure all over the country building a world class utility with state of the art treatment plants at the most economical cost to households.
Compensation for workers will be fair but competitive with modest bonus schemes for executives.
All profits will be passed back to households in the form of lower water rate charges.

No kickbacks or favouritism will be given to any political party/individuals and fears of cronyism will be unfounded.


There you go. Better?

[mikehunt]

Why should water be free? Why? I don't understand this?

Who paid for it prior to Irish Water being set-up? If you know who and where they are, can you ask them to come back?

Mike, do you believe this type of stuff, or just type it for a laugh?

Its a form of tax. Country needs money and collects it through various taxes and charges.

Its actually ridiculous how there has been absolutely no debate about how to raise this money if Water Charges are abolished.
If people thought Motor Tax would increase, or Dole would decrease, or USC would increase if there was no water charges, then we might have a reasoned debate - instead you'd think its a choice between paying for water or paying nothing! Not to mention the "we already pay for our water through other tax" childish nonsense

Prior to Irish Water, how was the public water system funded?

[Esmarelda]

Water charges is a major stumbling block because a campaign against them gathered speed and caught the media's attention. A bill received in the post is always harder to take than an increase in VAT that may actually cost a citizen more.

If water is charged based on usage after a free allowable amount then I'm fine with it.

If a person of 60 has lived in their house all their life and, over time, the value of their house increases for reasons outside of their control, then they have to pay a higher amount in property tax. Water usage is within people's control (to an extent), property prices aren't. Why wasn't there a big campaign against property prices? Because working class citizens are less likely to be affected and so the parties/individuals that those citizens might vote for have nothing to gain by campaigning for it.

[Hound]

Why should water be free? Why? I don't understand this?

Who paid for it prior to Irish Water being set-up? If you know who and where they are, can you ask them to come back?

Mike, do you believe this type of stuff, or just type it for a laugh?

Its a form of tax. Country needs money and collects it through various taxes and charges.

Its actually ridiculous how there has been absolutely no debate about how to raise this money if Water Charges are abolished.
If people thought Motor Tax would increase, or Dole would decrease, or USC would increase if there was no water charges, then we might have a reasoned debate - instead you'd think its a choice between paying for water or paying nothing! Not to mention the "we already pay for our water through other tax" childish nonsense

Prior to Irish Water, how was the public water system funded?

Other taxes!

More money is needed to improve the water infrastructure. Has to be done. Has to be paid for.

It's a new tax. It's a pain in the hole. Nobody likes paying or enjoys paying tax. But most realise its necessary to be able to provide services.

How do you think the taxes should be raised? Let someone else pay for it?

[mikehunt]

Why should water be free? Why? I don't understand this?

Who paid for it prior to Irish Water being set-up? If you know who and where they are, can you ask them to come back?

Mike, do you believe this type of stuff, or just type it for a laugh?

Its a form of tax. Country needs money and collects it through various taxes and charges.

Its actually ridiculous how there has been absolutely no debate about how to raise this money if Water Charges are abolished.
If people thought Motor Tax would increase, or Dole would decrease, or USC would increase if there was no water charges, then we might have a reasoned debate - instead you'd think its a choice between paying for water or paying nothing! Not to mention the "we already pay for our water through other tax" childish nonsense

Prior to Irish Water, how was the public water system funded?

Other taxes!

More money is needed to improve the water infrastructure. Has to be done. Has to be paid for.

It's a new tax. It's a pain in the hole. Nobody likes paying or enjoys paying tax. But most realise its necessary to be able to provide services.

How do you think the taxes should be raised? Let someone else pay for it?

Infrastructure is way down the list of priorities. Irish Water is another HSE style quango. If you're foolish enough to want to fund the likes of John Tierney's bonus and Dennis O Brien's offshore bank account then good luck to you. Plenty of rational people see it for the heist it is. Consultants, bonuses, gym, charging systems, meter installation contracts were all put ahead of infrastructure improvements. None so blind etc.

[ashman]

Why should water be free? Why? I don't understand this?

Who paid for it prior to Irish Water being set-up? If you know who and where they are, can you ask them to come back?

Mike, do you believe this type of stuff, or just type it for a laugh?

Its a form of tax. Country needs money and collects it through various taxes and charges.

Its actually ridiculous how there has been absolutely no debate about how to raise this money if Water Charges are abolished.
If people thought Motor Tax would increase, or Dole would decrease, or USC would increase if there was no water charges, then we might have a reasoned debate - instead you'd think its a choice between paying for water or paying nothing! Not to mention the "we already pay for our water through other tax" childish nonsense

Prior to Irish Water, how was the public water system funded?

Loans from the IMF , before that loans from the markets & before that from unsustainable taxes from a credit fuelled "boom ". 

[Hound]

Why should water be free? Why? I don't understand this?

Who paid for it prior to Irish Water being set-up? If you know who and where they are, can you ask them to come back?

Mike, do you believe this type of stuff, or just type it for a laugh?

Its a form of tax. Country needs money and collects it through various taxes and charges.

Its actually ridiculous how there has been absolutely no debate about how to raise this money if Water Charges are abolished.
If people thought Motor Tax would increase, or Dole would decrease, or USC would increase if there was no water charges, then we might have a reasoned debate - instead you'd think its a choice between paying for water or paying nothing! Not to mention the "we already pay for our water through other tax" childish nonsense

Prior to Irish Water, how was the public water system funded?

Other taxes!

More money is needed to improve the water infrastructure. Has to be done. Has to be paid for.

It's a new tax. It's a pain in the hole. Nobody likes paying or enjoys paying tax. But most realise its necessary to be able to provide services.

How do you think the taxes should be raised? Let someone else pay for it?

Infrastructure is way down the list of priorities. Irish Water is another HSE style quango. If you're foolish enough to want to fund the likes of John Tierney's bonus and Dennis O Brien's offshore bank account then good luck to you. Plenty of rational people see it for the heist it is. Consultants, bonuses, gym, charging systems, meter installation contracts were all put ahead of infrastructure improvements. None so blind etc.

Right. So the water charges are going to John Tierney and Denis O'Brien.
That's even worse than going to the politicians!
How did they expect to get away with it! Thank god for PBP/AAA for highlighting this ruse. It's no wonder they're entitled to get their legal fees paid by us taxpayers given the service their providing

[mikehunt]

Why should water be free? Why? I don't understand this?

Who paid for it prior to Irish Water being set-up? If you know who and where they are, can you ask them to come back?

Mike, do you believe this type of stuff, or just type it for a laugh?

Its a form of tax. Country needs money and collects it through various taxes and charges.

Its actually ridiculous how there has been absolutely no debate about how to raise this money if Water Charges are abolished.
If people thought Motor Tax would increase, or Dole would decrease, or USC would increase if there was no water charges, then we might have a reasoned debate - instead you'd think its a choice between paying for water or paying nothing! Not to mention the "we already pay for our water through other tax" childish nonsense

Prior to Irish Water, how was the public water system funded?

Other taxes!

More money is needed to improve the water infrastructure. Has to be done. Has to be paid for.

It's a new tax. It's a pain in the hole. Nobody likes paying or enjoys paying tax. But most realise its necessary to be able to provide services.

How do you think the taxes should be raised? Let someone else pay for it?

Infrastructure is way down the list of priorities. Irish Water is another HSE style quango. If you're foolish enough to want to fund the likes of John Tierney's bonus and Dennis O Brien's offshore bank account then good luck to you. Plenty of rational people see it for the heist it is. Consultants, bonuses, gym, charging systems, meter installation contracts were all put ahead of infrastructure improvements. None so blind etc.

Right. So the water charges are going to John Tierney and Denis O'Brien.
That's even worse than going to the politicians!
How did they expect to get away with it! Thank god for PBP/AAA for highlighting this ruse. It's no wonder they're entitled to get their legal fees paid by us taxpayers given the service their providing

Indeed, the likes of Catherine Murphy, Mick Wallace, Claire Daly have done great work in uncovering shady dealings by this govt. You keep funding that quango like a good lad. Loads of fat cats are relying on you.

[Rossfan]

Anyway how much of a hit are the public finances about to take so we can get a Government from among the clowns?
"Suspend" water charges -€250m
Refund the law abiding citizens most of whom would have votes FF or FG -€250m
Reduce USC -€500m
Cost of getting 2 lots of Indies on board -€1.5Bn.
Total 2.5Bn.

Meanwhile we need 20,000 social houses, 10,000 Gardai/Nurses/other public service workers, major investment in Hospitals not to mention water/sewerage.

Ah sure someone will pay for it all.......
Now where did all those tooth fairies go? Or maybe we should start catching them Leprauchàneens at the end if the rainbows.

[foxcommander]

Why should water be free? Why? I don't understand this?

Who paid for it prior to Irish Water being set-up? If you know who and where they are, can you ask them to come back?

Mike, do you believe this type of stuff, or just type it for a laugh?

Its a form of tax. Country needs money and collects it through various taxes and charges.

Its actually ridiculous how there has been absolutely no debate about how to raise this money if Water Charges are abolished.
If people thought Motor Tax would increase, or Dole would decrease, or USC would increase if there was no water charges, then we might have a reasoned debate - instead you'd think its a choice between paying for water or paying nothing! Not to mention the "we already pay for our water through other tax" childish nonsense

Prior to Irish Water, how was the public water system funded?

Other taxes!

More money is needed to improve the water infrastructure. Has to be done. Has to be paid for.

It's a new tax. It's a pain in the hole. Nobody likes paying or enjoys paying tax. But most realise its necessary to be able to provide services.

How do you think the taxes should be raised? Let someone else pay for it?

Infrastructure is way down the list of priorities. Irish Water is another HSE style quango. If you're foolish enough to want to fund the likes of John Tierney's bonus and Dennis O Brien's offshore bank account then good luck to you. Plenty of rational people see it for the heist it is. Consultants, bonuses, gym, charging systems, meter installation contracts were all put ahead of infrastructure improvements. None so blind etc.

Wasting your time Mike - there's quite a few on here that haven't learned their lesson from the last number of years.
Quite sad/worrying that they can't see past the ruse that is Irish Water.

Let's see Dinny start up Irish Air and the likes of Ross and Hound will demand everyone will pay for it.
Or a Carbon Credit tax.

Worth a go!

[armaghniac]

Let's see Dinny start up Irish Air and the likes of Ross and Hound will demand everyone will pay for it.

Are there any examples of places that charge for air, or are you just talking bollix?

[Rossfan]

Let's see Dinny start up Irish Air and the likes of Ross and Hound will demand everyone will pay for it.

Are there any examples of places that charge for air, or are you just talking bollix?

Nail on head in second part of your question alright.
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