China Coronavirus

[Smurfy123]

Using the virus in isolation you could throw out numbers left right and centre
Smoking accounts for 2000 deaths a week in the uk
Cancer 3000 a week
Every death is terrible but men firing  out numbers doesn't add up
A really bad flu year had been no different than this year
2008
2010

[screenexile]

Using the virus in isolation you could throw out numbers left right and centre
Smoking accounts for 2000 deaths a week in the uk
Cancer 3000 a week
Every death is terrible but men firing  out numbers doesn't add up
A really bad flu year had been no different than this year
2008
2010

Excess deaths clearly shows that Covid has made the death toll worse what are you talking about??

[Smurfy123]

50100 excess flu deaths in 2017/18 what do you say about that ?
Highest on record since 75/76

[GetOverTheBar]

Using the virus in isolation you could throw out numbers left right and centre
Smoking accounts for 2000 deaths a week in the uk
Cancer 3000 a week
Every death is terrible but men firing  out numbers doesn't add up
A really bad flu year had been no different than this year
2008
2010

Excess deaths clearly shows that Covid has made the death toll worse what are you talking about??

In the interest of fairness to Smurfy on this issue regarding smoking, you might have Covid when you pass away. Doesn't necessarily mean you died from it.

Getting the statistics of smokers for all the UK/Ireland figures would make for very interesting reading. I'd be willing to bet the big companies will be doing their best to make sure that never sees light of day.

[RadioGAAGAA]

50100 excess flu deaths in 2017/18 what do you say about that ?
Highest on record since 75/76

Imagine what the excess deaths would be this year if we didn't lockdown.

Its estimated only 5% have got it - so multiply the current fatality rate by 20 and you have an absolute minimum figure. 1.2 million. That a bad flu year?

In reality, it would, as we've learned from elsewhere like Lombardy, be much higher as the case mortality rate skyrockets when the health systems collapse.

[trueblue1234]

50100 excess flu deaths in 2017/18 what do you say about that ?
Highest on record since 75/76

Imagine what the excess deaths would be this year if we didn't lockdown.

Its estimated only 5% have got it - so multiply the current fatality rate by 20 and you have an absolute minimum figure. 1.2 million. That a bad flu year?

In reality, it would, as we've learned from elsewhere like Lombardy, be much higher as the case mortality rate skyrockets when the health systems collapse.

This is the bit Smurfy is determined to ignore. There was 60K deaths in UK with a lockdown. The flu deaths are with no lockdown.

[Smurfy123]

A very very very small amount of people who get it need hospital treatment
How about at the start when nobody knew what was going on everyone that had it went to hospital
How about when you were in hospital the staff didn't know how to treat it
How about now when you get it most now go home and recover in the house
How about hospitals now know exactly how to deal with it
Now I'm not saying lockdown wasn't call for a flatten the curve
But a massive reason as to why the virus is coming down is that hospitals know exactly how to deal with it and people who have it and are healthy don't need hospital treatment
It's quite laughable watching the scaremongers firing out about the spikes all across America but don't get to the real nitty gritty that hospital administrations in America is falling dramatically week on week.

[trailer]

When we look back I think we'll all agree this has been the biggest overreaction to anything ever. It is the greatest load of shite. Completely overblown. This is the opinion of all right thinking people.

Did your survey include those families that lost loved ones?

I don't know anyone who lost a loved one and I don't have any friends or employees who lost a love one or even knew anyone who died from it.

I would need to doublecheck but I think 65,000 people or so have died....

And that is a shocking figure. But the fact remains this is a disease of the over 70s.

Again trailer - we have been over this many many times - it is not a disease of the over 70's.

Yes it is.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/15/covid-19-coronavirus-breakdown-of-deaths-and-infections-worldwide

Go down and look at the graph titled Which age groups is Italy's COVID-19 outbreak deadliest for?

It cannot be denied. The risk to healthy young people is minuscule.

[Smurfy123]

WOW
Fair play trailer
It was a time for cool heads when the virus was on its way
All over 60s in complete lockdown and the most vulnerable
Keep the schools open and the economy going
We would have a lot more infected now and not as many deaths
To much time wasted in getting the old and vulnerable sorted
If some teachers couldn't teach because they were in the older bracket fine get the substitute teachers straight in.
People won't like to face up to those facts but it's true

[trueblue1234]

A very very very small amount of people who get it need hospital treatment
How about at the start when nobody knew what was going on everyone that had it went to hospital
How about when you were in hospital the staff didn't know how to treat it
How about now when you get it most now go home and recover in the house
How about hospitals now know exactly how to deal with it
Now I'm not saying lockdown wasn't call for a flatten the curve
But a massive reason as to why the virus is coming down is that hospitals know exactly how to deal with it and people who have it and are healthy don't need hospital treatment
It's quite laughable watching the scaremongers firing out about the spikes all across America but don't get to the real nitty gritty that hospital administrations in America is falling dramatically week on week.

No it's not. The stats were out this week to say that only about 5% of people have had it. The numbers are coming down because the lockdown stopped the spread, so lower numbers were exposed and infected. No lock down means that much more than 5% would be infected and the rest of the rates (Hospital treatment, ICU deaths etc) would rise as well.
There is good news in this drug that seems to be having a positive effect. But they are doing things right now as the economy needs to be given a chance and things need to be re-opened. Which they are doing in phases. The right approach.

[trueblue1234]

When we look back I think we'll all agree this has been the biggest overreaction to anything ever. It is the greatest load of shite. Completely overblown. This is the opinion of all right thinking people.

Did your survey include those families that lost loved ones?

I don't know anyone who lost a loved one and I don't have any friends or employees who lost a love one or even knew anyone who died from it.

I would need to doublecheck but I think 65,000 people or so have died....

And that is a shocking figure. But the fact remains this is a disease of the over 70s.

Again trailer - we have been over this many many times - it is not a disease of the over 70's.

Yes it is.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/15/covid-19-coronavirus-breakdown-of-deaths-and-infections-worldwide

Go down and look at the graph titled Which age groups is Italy's COVID-19 outbreak deadliest for?

It cannot be denied. The risk to healthy young people is minuscule.

Which would be great if the community was made up of under 70, healthy people.

[trailer]

Like worldwide the death toll is 450k.
All I am asking for is a tiny bit of perspective.

[trailer]

When we look back I think we'll all agree this has been the biggest overreaction to anything ever. It is the greatest load of shite. Completely overblown. This is the opinion of all right thinking people.

Did your survey include those families that lost loved ones?

I don't know anyone who lost a loved one and I don't have any friends or employees who lost a love one or even knew anyone who died from it.

I would need to doublecheck but I think 65,000 people or so have died....

And that is a shocking figure. But the fact remains this is a disease of the over 70s.

Again trailer - we have been over this many many times - it is not a disease of the over 70's.

Yes it is.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/15/covid-19-coronavirus-breakdown-of-deaths-and-infections-worldwide

Go down and look at the graph titled Which age groups is Italy's COVID-19 outbreak deadliest for?

It cannot be denied. The risk to healthy young people is minuscule.

Which would be great if the community was made up of under 70, healthy people.

What's you point? Risks increase with age in nearly all diseases. That's why older people take precautions. They get priority for flu vaccines. They get more regular checkups. They should be minding themselves.

[Maroon Manc]

Like worldwide the death toll is 450k.
All I am asking for is a tiny bit of perspective.

There would have been 450,000 dead in the UK alone without a lockdown.

[sid waddell]

Like worldwide the death toll is 450k.
All I am asking for is a tiny bit of perspective.

There would have been 450,000 dead in the UK alone without a lockdown.

Might have only been 250k.