Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[Simon OParlon]

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori

You think Ukrainians are fighting for conquest and glory?

They have been invaded by the revanchist imperial power next door.

Greenwald doesn't stack up.
Sachs doesn't stack up.
Mearsheimer doesn't stack up.

So now you're resorting to reading poetry to people fighting against an attempted genocide of their country.

Go and stand in the ruins of Gaza and read 'Dulce et decorum est' to the Palestinian resistance while you're at it.

Your arrogance is astounding.

Regards,

Si.

[theskull1]

Thanks for that Gerard ... I mean Fadder ... sorry I mean Simon

[Simon OParlon]

Thanks for that Gerard ... I mean Fadder ... sorry I mean Simon

Another post saying nothing at all.

Now that I've taken apart Greenwald's bullshit about the imaginary peace deal, how long do we have to wait before the next YouTube video?

What will it be, the imaginary coup? The imaginary NATO aggression towards a nuclear armed Russia?

Regards,

Simon OP

[Armagh18]

So many people unable to get out of the 'one side good other side bad' mentality 

Pro understanding the geopolitical realities is not pro Russian.

I can understand why the US didn't like the USSR defending Cuba when they asked them for assistance. Likewise I can understand why Russia didn't like all the NATO activity in and around their bordering countries in recent years.

List of NATO exercises

I'm also in agreement in principal with true blue that every country should have the right to choose its own security arrangements. The problem is that many countries governments now serve global elites and not by the will of the people so it's never as clear cut as you would like. NATO wouldn't look like a peace keeping force to Russians when you look at their activity in the last 10 years would it?

And lets not get into how many regime changes have came about through Western involvements in those countries they decide they don't like (because they won't play ball)

You can't get out of the way of the 'it's always the fault of the west and USA' mentality instilled in you by reading too much Chomsky and listening to the likes of Greenwald.

You're mistaking believing Russian propaganda for 'nuance'.

NATO can't invade and could never invade Russia because they have nuclear weapons. They can't and they won't. It's that simple.

Russia can't touch NATO members. (At least I used to think so but with the cowardice shown by the US and Germany I'm not so sure anymore. Poland and the Baltics definitely have doubts too).

NATO membership limits Russian imperialism. (Putin will probably test this theory at some point)

Everything else from you is just hot air.

Regards,

Si OParlon.

What cowardice from America/Germany? Surely Ukraine would have been wiped out by now but for Western help?

[seafoid]

https://www.ft.com/content/615afa3f-0c39-4435-bcc4-b6e5827a904b

Zelenskyy to push Biden for security guarantees to end war Ukrainian leader says backing his 'victory plan' will allow the outgoing US president to cement his legacy Volodymyr Zelenskyy wants to implement his plan 'while all the officials who want the victory of Ukraine are in official positions'
Isobel Koshiw in Kyiv 11 HOURS AGO 376 Print this page Volodymyr Zelenskyy will press Joe Biden for binding security guarantees before the US president leaves office to bolster Ukraine's position and compel Russia to join peace talks. The Ukrainian leader has in recent months stepped up preparations for possible negotiations with Moscow in anticipation of a shift in US policy following November's presidential election.
 Zelenskyy ordered an invasion of the Kursk region of Russia in August to gain territory as leverage in future talks and has said he is ready for a peace conference with Moscow's involvement. Speaking to journalists ahead of a US trip next week where he will attend the UN General Assembly and hold talks with Biden, Zelenskyy said he would present a "victory plan" to the US president that he hoped would end the war. Zelenskyy said the plan, which he wants to be implemented by the end of December, would strengthen Ukraine and force Russia to the negotiating table. "The victory plan, this bridge to strengthening Ukraine, can contribute to more productive future diplomatic meetings with Russia," said Zelenskyy on Friday afternoon in Kyiv. He described the initiative as Biden's opportunity to go down in history as the president who secured Ukrainian independence. He emphasised that the plan needed to be implemented before Biden left office in January. "I think this is a historical mission," said Zelenskyy. "Let's do all this today, while all the officials who want the victory of Ukraine are in official positions." Ukraine has lost territory daily to Russia this year and Moscow has shown no sign that it was willing to negotiate. The Ukrainian leader outlined the four points of the "victory plan" but declined to go into detail. The first point, he said, were further security guarantees. Ukraine has recently signed long-term commitments with the US and other western allies but wants harder assurances akin to the mutual defence guarantee that comes with Nato membership.
The second was Ukraine's Kursk operation, which he said was "fulfilling" its task of diverting Russian offensive power. Zelenskyy's third request was for "specific" advanced weapons. He did not elaborate on the type of weapons system he wanted. The fourth was the joint development of Ukraine's economy together with its partners. "Today you help us in the implementation of this plan and in the future Ukraine will save you a lot of your resources," said Zelenskyy. Recommended ExplainerWar in Ukraine Ukraine's battle against Russia in maps: latest updates Zelenskyy does not view the "victory plan" as a replacement for his "peace formula", a 10-point initiative based on the UN Charter that lays out a framework for a lasting settlement. Rather, it will give Ukraine what it needs to get Russia to the negotiating table where the peace formula would be discussed, he said. Zelenskyy again ruled out a Minsk-style peace agreement where the conflict would be frozen, stating that Russia would only invade again. "We need a just and stable peace," said Zelenskyy. Both Brazil and China have put forward alternative peace plans to Ukraine's peace formula. Zelenskyy said these plans lacked detail and worked as "political icebreakers" against the UN Charter. After speaking at the UN on Wednesday in New York, Zelenskyy will travel to Washington to present the plan to Biden and Vice-president Kamala Harris, who is running against Donald Trump in November

[theskull1]

Hope all you guys are ready to back up your support of our Governments to fight Russia

https://x.com/narindertweets/status/1839554674669609210?t=sC3JntUIZvqedQTgFUqvtQ&s=19

Civilians must be ready to fight because Britain's military is too small, a House of Lords committee has warned. It called for the country to adopt "the mindset of a nation under genuine threat".

The British public would be called up to fight in the event of war because the military was too small.

https://www.youtube.com/live/pUmPREU7FW0?si=xZSndBmj903luEF6

[armaghniac]

Hope all you guys are ready to back up your support of our Governments to fight Russia

https://x.com/narindertweets/status/1839554674669609210?t=sC3JntUIZvqedQTgFUqvtQ&s=19

Civilians must be ready to fight because Britain's military is too small, a House of Lords committee has warned. It called for the country to adopt "the mindset of a nation under genuine threat".

The British public would be called up to fight in the event of war because the military was too small.

https://www.youtube.com/live/pUmPREU7FW0?si=xZSndBmj903luEF6

So what do you suggest, just let Russia occupy us?
The British were bad, but the Russians would be much worse.

[theskull1]

So what do you suggest, just let Russia occupy us?
The British were bad, but the Russians would be much worse.

What?
Occupy what or occupy who? It will be a nuclear wasteland by the stage anyone left can occupy anything.

I suggest our great western leaders first get their tongue's out of Zionism's hole before setting about telling the puppet jewish leader (now dictator at this stage) of Ukraine that he'll also no longer have their military support and encourage peace.
Sadly though these people are puppets. Banks make the wars and they are itching for our sons and daughters to go kill each other for resources. What Israel's doing with complete impunity from the west should be a massive tell of what group has everything under their control. Start questioning what you're looking at

[armaghniac]

So what do you suggest, just let Russia occupy us?
The British were bad, but the Russians would be much worse.

What?
Occupy what or occupy who? It will be a nuclear wasteland by the stage anyone left can occupy anything.

I suggest our great western leaders first get their tongue's out of Zionism's hole before setting about telling the puppet jewish leader (now dictator at this stage) of Ukraine that he'll also no longer have their military support and encourage peace.
Sadly though these people are puppets. Banks make the wars and they are itching for our sons and daughters to go kill each other for resources. What Israel's doing with complete impunity from the west should be a massive tell of what group has everything under their control. Start questioning what you're looking at

Ukraine has nothing to do with Israel and Zelensky enjoys the support of his people and his religion has nothing to do it. I think you are one that needs to question what you are looking at.

[theskull1]

Zelensky created and produced "The Servant of the People" comedy TV show which made him a house hold name starting in 2015 (a year after the Maidan revolution attended by the then Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland (J) who was a key figure in shaping US policy towards Ukraine. She was involved in diplomatic efforts to mediate the crisis and supported the Ukrainian government's decision to sign the Association Agreement with the EU.). Back to the show ......

Zelenskys production company Kvartal 95 who made that show was HEAVILY funded by Ihor Kolomoyskyi a Ukrainian-born Israeli billionaire businessman, once considered the leading oligarch in Ukraine
"That TV show would become much more involved in Ukraine's actual politics and  in 2018, a political party named after the television series was registered, and Zelenskyy was elected president of Ukraine in 2019"

Look up Victoria Nuland and then delve into her husband Robert Kagan ... two complete Zionist hawks who promote American imperialism and hegemonism, particularly in their views on Ukraine and NATO expansion.

[armaghniac]

Zelensky created and produced "The Servant of the People" comedy TV show which made him a house hold name starting in 2015 (a year after the Maidan revolution attended by the then Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland (J) who was a key figure in shaping US policy towards Ukraine. She was involved in diplomatic efforts to mediate the crisis and supported the Ukrainian government's decision to sign the Association Agreement with the EU.). Back to the show ......

Zelenskys production company Kvartal 95 who made that show was HEAVILY funded by Ihor Kolomoyskyi a Ukrainian-born Israeli billionaire businessman, once considered the leading oligarch in Ukraine
"That TV show would become much more involved in Ukraine's actual politics and  in 2018, a political party named after the television series was registered, and Zelenskyy was elected president of Ukraine in 2019"

Look up Victoria Nuland and then delve into her husband Robert Kagan ... two complete Zionist hawks who promote American imperialism and hegemonism, particularly in their views on Ukraine and NATO expansion.

So what? This has nothing to do with American imperialism and everything to do with Russian imperialism.

[theskull1]

Never worry