Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

Started by Main Street, February 12, 2022, 09:38:45 PM

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Main Street

Putin has repeatedly denied  that Russia will invade despite the obvious evidence of warmongering and army deployments. I'm bending towards  the worth of that promise. I very much doubt that he would go back on such a public promise. And it's unlikely  considering Russia's expressed concern over the issue, that Ukraine will join with Nato.

Walter Cronc

Should Russia invade, what's likely to happen? Will they breeze past Ukrainian troops (through sheer numbers) or would they face a tough n well organised army?

RedHand88

Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 12, 2022, 10:41:59 PM
Should Russia invade, what's likely to happen? Will they breeze past Ukrainian troops (through sheer numbers) or would they face a tough n well organised army?

They'd be in Paris by Easter.

JPGJOHNNYG

Quote from: RedHand88 on February 12, 2022, 11:28:52 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 12, 2022, 10:41:59 PM
Should Russia invade, what's likely to happen? Will they breeze past Ukrainian troops (through sheer numbers) or would they face a tough n well organised army?

They'd be in Paris by Easter.
Said it before a few hundred people with limited weapons caused mayhem for 30 yrs here. Ukraine has 40 million people and is armed to the teeth. Any quick Russian victory is going to seem very hollow with time

Tony Baloney

Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on February 13, 2022, 12:47:35 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 12, 2022, 11:28:52 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 12, 2022, 10:41:59 PM
Should Russia invade, what's likely to happen? Will they breeze past Ukrainian troops (through sheer numbers) or would they face a tough n well organised army?

They'd be in Paris by Easter.
Said it before a few hundred people with limited weapons caused mayhem for 30 yrs here. Ukraine has 40 million people and is armed to the teeth. Any quick Russian victory is going to seem very hollow with time
Even if the invasion completed its initial mission there would be ongoing attacks for years. They aren't a type to capitulate.

armaghniac

Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on February 13, 2022, 12:47:35 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 12, 2022, 11:28:52 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 12, 2022, 10:41:59 PM
Should Russia invade, what's likely to happen? Will they breeze past Ukrainian troops (through sheer numbers) or would they face a tough n well organised army?

They'd be in Paris by Easter.
Said it before a few hundred people with limited weapons caused mayhem for 30 yrs here. Ukraine has 40 million people and is armed to the teeth. Any quick Russian victory is going to seem very hollow with time

It isn't clear that the Russians would occupy the whole country. They would occupy the East and the coast, but they might just leave it at that and have a sort of Vichy regime elsewhere. The western part of the Ukraine would not be very welcoming and likely supplied with munitions. There was a crowd called the UPA who fought in western Ukraine from the war until 1950 or so, spending their time massacring Polish people and Soviet officials. I don't know what public opinion in Russia nowadays would think of Stalinist methods to control Ukraine.
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trileacman

#6
The Russians aren't naive enough to think a prolonged occupation of Ukraine would be in their interest. They've the superior Air Force and drone force so a complete military victory is simply a matter of time. 4 weeks max, after that the Russians will retreat and occupy the main strategic points, likely the ports from which the bulk of Ukrainian grain is transported and is of key economic interest. They'll choke Ukrainian oil and gas exports at the key points too.

The point is not to win friends with the Ukrainians. The point is to show that western promises are empty and their promised interventions will mean little. As Roosevelt said "when you have them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow." The strategy is to show that the west is all talk and no action and the only country of strength in Eastern Europe is Russia.

With regards to a prolonged insurgency it should be remembered Russia has successfully quelled a Islamic insurgency in Chechnya.
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JPGJOHNNYG

Quote from: trileacman on February 13, 2022, 09:58:04 PM
The Russians aren't naive enough to think a prolonged occupation of Ukraine would be in their interest. They've the superior Air Force and drone force so a complete military victory is simply a matter of time. 4 weeks max, after that the Russians will retreat and occupy the main strategic points, likely the ports from which the bulk of Ukrainian grain is transported and is of key economic interest. They'll choke Ukrainian oil and gas exports at the key points too.

The point is not to win friends with the Ukrainians. The point is to show that western promises are empty and their promised interventions will mean little. As Roosevelt said "when you have them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow." The strategy is to show that the west is all talk and no action and the only country of strength in Eastern Europe is Russia.

With regards to a prolonged insurgency it should be remembered Russia has successfully quelled a Islamic insurgency in Chechnya.

Succesful but at a cost. 20000 odd soldiers not to mention the rather grim episodes at the school and opera House on Russian soil.

armaghniac

Yes bit the Ukraine has 30 times the population of Chechnya
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seafoid

Putin if he does give the order is taking a big risk. He is basing his decision on the fact that Ukraine and the EU are weak   if he gets it wrong he could lose Crimea or even be
replaced
Ukraine is a bit like rhe North in terms of population split. A superior army doesn't always work in an occupation scenario .

seafoid







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#11
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on February 12, 2022, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on February 12, 2022, 11:09:46 AM
the world should be eternally indebted to Russia for WWII,

even the english and yanks acknowledged that,

we saved their ass  ;)

Only the victorious write the history books. World War One and World War Two were manufactured in a Manhattan board room. From cradle to grave, we are indoctrinated with lies and propaganda. When you truly understand it, you will realize these wars were actually a war on Christianity. We owe Germany a huge apology.
Don't tell me, let me guess.
Were these the boardrooms of banks, perhaps working to some secret protocol written by their Elders?

seafoid


J70

Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on February 12, 2022, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on February 12, 2022, 11:09:46 AM
the world should be eternally indebted to Russia for WWII,

even the english and yanks acknowledged that,

we saved their ass  ;)

Only the victorious write the history books. World War One and World War Two were manufactured in a Manhattan board room. From cradle to grave, we are indoctrinated with lies and propaganda. When you truly understand it, you will realize these wars were actually a war on Christianity. We owe Germany a huge apology.

I guess there IS no depth the white grievance brigade won't plumb in their quest for "real" victimhood these days.

Main Street

Quote from: J70 on February 14, 2022, 01:00:17 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on February 12, 2022, 01:27:00 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on February 12, 2022, 11:09:46 AM
the world should be eternally indebted to Russia for WWII,

even the english and yanks acknowledged that,

we saved their ass  ;)

Only the victorious write the history books. World War One and World War Two were manufactured in a Manhattan board room. From cradle to grave, we are indoctrinated with lies and propaganda. When you truly understand it, you will realize these wars were actually a war on Christianity. We owe Germany a huge apology.

I guess there IS no depth the white grievance brigade won't plumb in their quest for "real" victimhood these days.
But J70, you don't truly understand it.