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He implicitly linked immigration to (unproven) rising crime and unsafe streets. It's ok though, he said very little and he did say "it's not the only reason".

Isn't that how it works?

as I posted earlier, I haven't seen the abuse he received and would be interested to see it, if anyone could share some of it. 

all i see is support and i think it is scary how many people seem to think he said nothing wrong.

In your mind what did he say that was actually wrong. Shutting down conversations on topics is what create problems

Very little of what he said was statistically factual if you bothered checking. He also tried to suggest migration was linked to standard of living which is a load of horsesh!t, and then claimed that the government doesn't allow people to talk about immigration, even though he was literally doing so on social media to his thousands of followers.

And yet we still have the great and the good coming out in droves to defend him, insisting "he didn't say anything that wasn't true". Its actually very unsettling how right wing/racist lies are becoming so widely defended as perfectly true and normal and acceptable as soon as a mainstream figure like Noone starts peddling them.

 What was statically incorrect? Ireland has hit a 17 year high on net immigration. If you dont think that has any downsides at all then crack on

How are you affected?

Clearly everyone is affected. If you have more people coming in than planned for then everyone is affected. Local schools, hospitals, doctors, housing are all affected if you have more than expected. Simple really.

Would hospitals, doctors etc not be a lot worse without migration?

He implicitly linked immigration to (unproven) rising crime and unsafe streets. It's ok though, he said very little and he did say "it's not the only reason".

Isn't that how it works?

as I posted earlier, I haven't seen the abuse he received and would be interested to see it, if anyone could share some of it. 

all i see is support and i think it is scary how many people seem to think he said nothing wrong.

In your mind what did he say that was actually wrong. Shutting down conversations on topics is what create problems

Very little of what he said was statistically factual if you bothered checking. He also tried to suggest migration was linked to standard of living which is a load of horsesh!t, and then claimed that the government doesn't allow people to talk about immigration, even though he was literally doing so on social media to his thousands of followers.

And yet we still have the great and the good coming out in droves to defend him, insisting "he didn't say anything that wasn't true". Its actually very unsettling how right wing/racist lies are becoming so widely defended as perfectly true and normal and acceptable as soon as a mainstream figure like Noone starts peddling them.

 What was statically incorrect? Ireland has hit a 17 year high on net immigration. If you dont think that has any downsides at all then crack on

How are you affected?

Clearly everyone is affected. If you have more people coming in than planned for then everyone is affected. Local schools, hospitals, doctors, housing are all affected if you have more than expected. Simple really.

Would hospitals, doctors etc not be a lot worse without migration?

Absolutely they could be but would depend on the numbers. For example 500 docs coming in with a net migration of 180,000 wouldn't be much use. These are made up numbers by the way but you get my point.

Immigration is crucial to a growing society but needs to be controlled.

Huge salary to be relegated in year one. In house managers produced Sam year one.

Was critical in first 2-3 games but have seen some good progress since which is the main thing since 2021. Extremely unlucky to be relegated on 7 points.

The 7 points may be a bit false in that they beat a donegal side who were missing a large numbers of players with one eye on championship and a dublin side who didnt really seem too bothered. Hope i am wrong

He implicitly linked immigration to (unproven) rising crime and unsafe streets. It's ok though, he said very little and he did say "it's not the only reason".

Isn't that how it works?

as I posted earlier, I haven't seen the abuse he received and would be interested to see it, if anyone could share some of it. 

all i see is support and i think it is scary how many people seem to think he said nothing wrong.

In your mind what did he say that was actually wrong. Shutting down conversations on topics is what create problems

Very little of what he said was statistically factual if you bothered checking. He also tried to suggest migration was linked to standard of living which is a load of horsesh!t, and then claimed that the government doesn't allow people to talk about immigration, even though he was literally doing so on social media to his thousands of followers.

And yet we still have the great and the good coming out in droves to defend him, insisting "he didn't say anything that wasn't true". Its actually very unsettling how right wing/racist lies are becoming so widely defended as perfectly true and normal and acceptable as soon as a mainstream figure like Noone starts peddling them.

 What was statically incorrect? Ireland has hit a 17 year high on net immigration. If you dont think that has any downsides at all then crack on

How are you affected?

Clearly everyone is affected. If you have more people coming in than planned for then everyone is affected. Local schools, hospitals, doctors, housing are all affected if you have more than expected. Simple really.

He implicitly linked immigration to (unproven) rising crime and unsafe streets. It's ok though, he said very little and he did say "it's not the only reason".

Isn't that how it works?

as I posted earlier, I haven't seen the abuse he received and would be interested to see it, if anyone could share some of it. 

all i see is support and i think it is scary how many people seem to think he said nothing wrong.

In your mind what did he say that was actually wrong. Shutting down conversations on topics is what create problems

Very little of what he said was statistically factual if you bothered checking. He also tried to suggest migration was linked to standard of living which is a load of horsesh!t, and then claimed that the government doesn't allow people to talk about immigration, even though he was literally doing so on social media to his thousands of followers.

And yet we still have the great and the good coming out in droves to defend him, insisting "he didn't say anything that wasn't true". Its actually very unsettling how right wing/racist lies are becoming so widely defended as perfectly true and normal and acceptable as soon as a mainstream figure like Noone starts peddling them.

 What was statically incorrect? Ireland has hit a 17 year high on net immigration. If you dont think that has any downsides at all then crack on

That table is slightly wrong I think. Tyrone and Armagh ended on the same scoring difference. Subject obviously to the previous discussion as to what the result was between them.

What happened at the end of the tyrone game. Dublin got a free missed it then got to retake it and scored 2 points. Did that 2 points matter?

He implicitly linked immigration to (unproven) rising crime and unsafe streets. It's ok though, he said very little and he did say "it's not the only reason".

Isn't that how it works?

as I posted earlier, I haven't seen the abuse he received and would be interested to see it, if anyone could share some of it. 

all i see is support and i think it is scary how many people seem to think he said nothing wrong.

In your mind what did he say that was actually wrong. Shutting down conversations on topics is what create problems

I didn't shut down any conversation, or ask for any conversation to be shut down and I'm not aware of anyone that did in this instance,  only Garron, who removed his own social media.


see the post from Snapchat post 1313 or my post 1295 on this thread which explain my views quite well.

You said he was it was scary how people were agreeing with him so what exactly did he say wrong.

He implicitly linked immigration to (unproven) rising crime and unsafe streets. It's ok though, he said very little and he did say "it's not the only reason".

Isn't that how it works?

as I posted earlier, I haven't seen the abuse he received and would be interested to see it, if anyone could share some of it. 

all i see is support and i think it is scary how many people seem to think he said nothing wrong.

In your mind what did he say that was actually wrong. Shutting down conversations on topics is what create problems

Has mcshane been dropped from the panel ?

Garron Noone, fella who sings and talks abit of shite online and all round nice fella, cancelled for daring to say that people should be allowed have concerns around immigration.

What concerns do you have about immigration personally? Like, how its affecting you? I'm always curious about those that have concerns but how it actually has never had any impact on their actual lives

Would imagine peoples concerns are all the same. Concerns around integration of migrants into local and wider communities, concerns on impact on services such as schools, hospitals, housing. Concerns around social welfare and jobs.

Would say the above covers the main areas. Immigration is necessary for countries to thrive but you need plan to address those issues otherwise it won't work.

The Government coming after the poorest in society, while trying to catch a minority who are abusing the system, is an attempt to appeal to a class of voter who regard the poor as layabouts and scroungers. The current Labour Party are no different from the tories. They will take away as much as possible from the poorest, and never go after the wealthy who make use of the tax loop holes to avoid paying their fair share. Getting companies and wealthy individuals to pay more tax should be the aim of any labour government to raise money and fund the HHS and welfare programs.

Would say its more than the minority. Would imagine the scale of benefit fraud is off the charts. Everyone knows people at it, the number of parents getting benefits for kids diagnosed with autism and adhd is ridiculous these days.

Tyrone don't seem to have made any real progress so far this year, conditioning still poor.

They dont seem to practice tackling or tactics. Game play seems to be do as many hand passes as possible, slow the game down and get the ball into the corner flags.

How was that not a black card for McFadden? Stone waller

Is the goal scoring opportunity still a rule. Black card or it should have been a red if that rule still exists

Do they not give cards anymore for denying a goal scoring opportunity,remember gough sending players off in the past for this

3 kerry screaming into Armagh player on the ground.  Pat Spillane used to be crying when same done to kerry boys on noughties.

Paidí Clifford is a mouthy fkcer

100%

3 kerry screaming into Armagh player on the ground.  Pat Spillane used to be crying when same done to kerry boys on noughties.

Paidí Clifford is a mouthy fkcer

At this stage I'm sick of listening to O'Rourke complaining about the new rules after every game.
He was on the FRC committee and had his chance to have his say.
Very few other coaches or players (bar Murphy) had the chance to influence the rules to the extent he had. He got what he voted for.

I have a concern around orourke in that he helped set up the rules and I thought his insight would benefit tyrone however this hasn't really happened. Also I assumed that
Tyrone would get a new manager bounce even if short term but again this didn't happen

New manager bounce! That's a new one on me! Like David Moyes?
I'd put very little stock in the league, some best players missing for first few games. If we avoid relegation that do rightly.

You never seen a team performance increase for even a short while after a new manager comes in. Happens quite often.

Players wanted rid of previous management so you would expect a increase in performance even if it was just to show the new manager what they can offer. This hasn't really happened.