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No one said Aghagallon were picked on or unlucky.
Aghagallon didn't have an issue with discipline either, what people were saying was that Aghagallon got boys sent off and LD didn't, in not just one game but two in fact, and that the ref made a mess of it and is becoming the norm in these big games involving these clubs.

Player openly said he punched player in the stomach after being told to stop messing about and gets sent off is not difficult. What happened prior to that is up for debate as it wasn't seen.

This is what I'm talking about.
Funny you or your umpire didn't see CMs headbutt and strike that caused the retaliation. Just Aghagallons. Gotcha.

How is the ref going to see that?  The umpire said they were have some argy bargy. You got it right he retaliated and got caught. Now if you're more disciplined they havevwon that game and been in the quarters.

Can't teach stupid

So one was seen and the other wasn't. Gotcha. Seems to be a pattern here

The lad took his medicine and comes across like a nice fella. It's a petty he bought that one, play the ball and you can't get sent off.

Again you can't teach stupid.

Ok. So it's "he bought that one" now. 
Perpetrators allowed to do what they do.
It would appear if you play the man you can't get sent off either.
You can't teach stupid is right.

time to dry your eyes and move on ! U r still in championship

You?
Eyes are dry. Just highlighting the difference in treatment some teams get.

By all accounts the Endas and Agh game had some very ill discipline, saffron gael described it as " off the ball incidents and unsavoury scenes". Seems to be a recurring theme with one of those teams?


Was that the fault of the officials or again Endas fault for being thugs as some on here seem to keep blaming other clubs for their own discipline problems?

Does look like coaching has turned more into sledging/harrsssing etc and to be fair to some coaches, they probably think they need to do that more against the better teams. At county level, Kerry/Dublin have the best forwards, maybe not this year. In antrim club, Cargin, LD,Creggan, PG1,have the best attacking players in the county probably, some coaches might be thinking they need to use under hand tactics to stop them to even the match out? Hard for refs to see all that.


I think it's a good call for county board to invest in getting the officials micd up and try recruit more ( I've no doubt they probably are) I believe other sports are having serious issue with resource for ref at the moment as well and games called off.

Didn't know linesmen couldn't call fouls "live". Would it be good rule to propose that linesmen can call it live to refs? Gives more of a focus for them on the game and helps refs/allows for better attacking play I imagine? Which we all want to see no matter the allegiance!

No one is blaming other clubs here nor does any clubs involved in that match have "discipline problems" or be in a recurring theme. You stick to reading saffron Gael reports.

That's right, all those  other posts that have been pushing the narrative that Aghagallon are getting picked on by officials while the big clubs/players get special treatment must have escaped your attention. Despite clear  evidence showing otherwise. There's a team there with serious potential to win championships over the years and benefit the county team as a result, blaming other teams and officials for your lack of discipline in a few games when it's tight is a nonsense.

Understand the issue with resources and getting refs out, maybe increase pay if possible from GAA central funds to attract snd incentives such as All Ireland tickets ?

On another note and we all might agree, could a small area on the sideline be marked out and team officials aren't allowed to move out of it? Much like soccer. Might be hard to manage?

There isn't clear evidence showing otherwise.

No one is blaming other teams either. Aghagallon haven't had a lack of discipline. Just funny that numerous people have pointed out the difference in the two clubs and what was and wasn't punished on video the other day for example. You're going off saffron Gael reports which says it all.

No one said Aghagallon were picked on or unlucky.
Aghagallon didn't have an issue with discipline either, what people were saying was that Aghagallon got boys sent off and LD didn't, in not just one game but two in fact, and that the ref made a mess of it and is becoming the norm in these big games involving these clubs.

Player openly said he punched player in the stomach after being told to stop messing about and gets sent off is not difficult. What happened prior to that is up for debate as it wasn't seen.

This is what I'm talking about.
Funny you or your umpire didn't see CMs headbutt and strike that caused the retaliation. Just Aghagallons. Gotcha.

How is the ref going to see that?  The umpire said they were have some argy bargy. You got it right he retaliated and got caught. Now if you're more disciplined they havevwon that game and been in the quarters.

Can't teach stupid

So one was seen and the other wasn't. Gotcha. Seems to be a pattern here

The lad took his medicine and comes across like a nice fella. It's a petty he bought that one, play the ball and you can't get sent off.

Again you can't teach stupid.

Ok. So it's "he bought that one" now. 
Perpetrators allowed to do what they do.
It would appear if you play the man you can't get sent off either.
You can't teach stupid is right.

time to dry your eyes and move on ! U r still in championship

You?
Eyes are dry. Just highlighting the difference in treatment some teams get.

By all accounts the Endas and Agh game had some very ill discipline, saffron gael described it as " off the ball incidents and unsavoury scenes". Seems to be a recurring theme with one of those teams?


Was that the fault of the officials or again Endas fault for being thugs as some on here seem to keep blaming other clubs for their own discipline problems?

Does look like coaching has turned more into sledging/harrsssing etc and to be fair to some coaches, they probably think they need to do that more against the better teams. At county level, Kerry/Dublin have the best forwards, maybe not this year. In antrim club, Cargin, LD,Creggan, PG1,have the best attacking players in the county probably, some coaches might be thinking they need to use under hand tactics to stop them to even the match out? Hard for refs to see all that.


I think it's a good call for county board to invest in getting the officials micd up and try recruit more ( I've no doubt they probably are) I believe other sports are having serious issue with resource for ref at the moment as well and games called off.

Didn't know linesmen couldn't call fouls "live". Would it be good rule to propose that linesmen can call it live to refs? Gives more of a focus for them on the game and helps refs/allows for better attacking play I imagine? Which we all want to see no matter the allegiance!

No one is blaming other clubs here nor does any clubs involved in that match have "discipline problems" or be in a recurring theme. You stick to reading saffron Gael reports.

No one said Aghagallon were picked on or unlucky.
Aghagallon didn't have an issue with discipline either, what people were saying was that Aghagallon got boys sent off and LD didn't, in not just one game but two in fact, and that the ref made a mess of it and is becoming the norm in these big games involving these clubs.

Player openly said he punched player in the stomach after being told to stop messing about and gets sent off is not difficult. What happened prior to that is up for debate as it wasn't seen.

This is what I'm talking about.
Funny you or your umpire didn't see CMs headbutt and strike that caused the retaliation. Just Aghagallons. Gotcha.

How is the ref going to see that?  The umpire said they were have some argy bargy. You got it right he retaliated and got caught. Now if you're more disciplined they havevwon that game and been in the quarters.

Can't teach stupid

So one was seen and the other wasn't. Gotcha. Seems to be a pattern here

The lad took his medicine and comes across like a nice fella. It's a petty he bought that one, play the ball and you can't get sent off.

Again you can't teach stupid.

Ok. So it's "he bought that one" now. 
Perpetrators allowed to do what they do.
It would appear if you play the man you can't get sent off either.
You can't teach stupid is right.

time to dry your eyes and move on ! U r still in championship

You?
Eyes are dry. Just highlighting the difference in treatment some teams get.

No one said Aghagallon were picked on or unlucky.
Aghagallon didn't have an issue with discipline either, what people were saying was that Aghagallon got boys sent off and LD didn't, in not just one game but two in fact, and that the ref made a mess of it and is becoming the norm in these big games involving these clubs.

Player openly said he punched player in the stomach after being told to stop messing about and gets sent off is not difficult. What happened prior to that is up for debate as it wasn't seen.

This is what I'm talking about.
Funny you or your umpire didn't see CMs headbutt and strike that caused the retaliation. Just Aghagallons. Gotcha.

How is the ref going to see that?  The umpire said they were have some argy bargy. You got it right he retaliated and got caught. Now if you're more disciplined they havevwon that game and been in the quarters.

Can't teach stupid

So one was seen and the other wasn't. Gotcha. Seems to be a pattern here

The lad took his medicine and comes across like a nice fella. It's a petty he bought that one, play the ball and you can't get sent off.

Again you can't teach stupid.

Ok. So it's "he bought that one" now. 
Perpetrators allowed to do what they do.
It would appear if you play the man you can't get sent off either.
You can't teach stupid is right.

No one said Aghagallon were picked on or unlucky.
Aghagallon didn't have an issue with discipline either, what people were saying was that Aghagallon got boys sent off and LD didn't, in not just one game but two in fact, and that the ref made a mess of it and is becoming the norm in these big games involving these clubs.

Player openly said he punched player in the stomach after being told to stop messing about and gets sent off is not difficult. What happened prior to that is up for debate as it wasn't seen.

This is what I'm talking about.
Funny you or your umpire didn't see CMs headbutt and strike that caused the retaliation. Just Aghagallons. Gotcha.

How is the ref going to see that?  The umpire said they were have some argy bargy. You got it right he retaliated and got caught. Now if you're more disciplined they havevwon that game and been in the quarters.

Can't teach stupid

So one was seen and the other wasn't. Gotcha. Seems to be a pattern here

No one said Aghagallon were picked on or unlucky.
Aghagallon didn't have an issue with discipline either, what people were saying was that Aghagallon got boys sent off and LD didn't, in not just one game but two in fact, and that the ref made a mess of it and is becoming the norm in these big games involving these clubs.

Player openly said he punched player in the stomach after being told to stop messing about and gets sent off is not difficult. What happened prior to that is up for debate as it wasn't seen.

This is what I'm talking about.
Funny you or your umpire didn't see CMs headbutt and strike that caused the retaliation. Just Aghagallons. Gotcha.

No one said Aghagallon were picked on or unlucky.
Aghagallon didn't have an issue with discipline either, what people were saying was that Aghagallon got boys sent off and LD didn't, in not just one game but two in fact, and that the ref made a mess of it and is becoming the norm in these big games involving these clubs.

Nobody is here to castigate clubs amd say this club is a model one and such. It is an opinion on the match itself. Every club has positives and negatives. I do think referees and linesmen in Antrim are good in general and can't be blamed for any of this.

Murray isn't a dirty player from watching him for county and club, he does get special treatment every game I have watched him, as is young Loughran to be fair. But he did strike and didn't seem to argue too much on the video with the ref when carded.

I tend to sway with the team that's in front and one that has "star" forwards when it comes to these situations, up to that final 10 it was a super game between two close teams. My thoughts are why would the team in front and especially their forwards who want to play football get involved with anything.

Reliably informed by the neutral from a team in same group at the first game that Aghagallon had a man sent off for striking another of LDs forward off the ball and an umpire alerted the ref.

We need to protect our footballers across the board in the GAA. Refs can only do so much. Not saying that coaches should let the main men for other teams have a free reign, but at least try to stop them by fair, hard defensive play rather than antagonise and physically/verbally abuse for 60-70 mins.

Championship is heating up and good to see we're playing football this year and even seeing some surprising results across the board.

You obviously didnt watch the game then. He didnt strike was trying to stop his mate on the floor from wrestling with LD man. Funny that he was seen and none of the LD players were.
Funny your "neutral" or umpire from the first game didn't see the headbutt and strike from LD forward in the lead up to it.

Stand corrected. But did two players not get a yellow card (one from each team) and one red card after that melee?

Yes, the neutral would have been at the other game that night, but it wasn't played and many went to watch the first Agh/Ld game. I'm not here to defend or castigate anyone, but have to ask why it's always the team you're defending getting sent off?

All teams should taken ownership of their discipline and call it as it is. Not try to blame players reputations or referees scared to put them off. We've all seen the McCanns/Murray/McGourtys sent off in big championship games before.

Checked who referee was from first game and is probably considered to be best in the county and his usual umpires would have a very indifferent/frosty relationship with LD I imagine as there was many bad rows between those teams over the years. Be strange for them to favour a PC/CM in that situation, probably just doing their job properly and calling it for what they seen as is their role. Protect players and alert the referee to any ill discipline .

2 reds for Aghagallon and the ref didn't even see it. Came from the linesmen. Nothing for LD and ref and linesmen were aware of plenty off the ball stuff from them but nothing.

Didn't appear to be the case in that game anyway.

Do agree though that more officials should be there, that game was the first I saw with linesmen, yet they made no difference.

Nobody is here to castigate clubs amd say this club is a model one and such. It is an opinion on the match itself. Every club has positives and negatives. I do think referees and linesmen in Antrim are good in general and can't be blamed for any of this.

Murray isn't a dirty player from watching him for county and club, he does get special treatment every game I have watched him, as is young Loughran to be fair. But he did strike and didn't seem to argue too much on the video with the ref when carded.

I tend to sway with the team that's in front and one that has "star" forwards when it comes to these situations, up to that final 10 it was a super game between two close teams. My thoughts are why would the team in front and especially their forwards who want to play football get involved with anything.

Reliably informed by the neutral from a team in same group at the first game that Aghagallon had a man sent off for striking another of LDs forward off the ball and an umpire alerted the ref.

We need to protect our footballers across the board in the GAA. Refs can only do so much. Not saying that coaches should let the main men for other teams have a free reign, but at least try to stop them by fair, hard defensive play rather than antagonise and physically/verbally abuse for 60-70 mins.

Championship is heating up and good to see we're playing football this year and even seeing some surprising results across the board.

You obviously didnt watch the game then. He didnt strike was trying to stop his mate on the floor from wrestling with LD man. Funny that he was seen and none of the LD players were.
Funny your "neutral" or umpire from the first game didn't see the headbutt and strike from LD forward in the lead up to it.

Was I watching the Same match? LD weren't only to blame surely. Aghagallon seemed to try and boot the Murray with the yellow hair out of the match all night . The Aghagallon boys who got sent off deserved it though maybe the ref or linesmen didn't see a LD aggression in the melee but that doesnt mean the Aghagallon boys were innocent

He deserved a good booting for dying his hair blonde in the first place, he's about 30 and he's up to that carry on.
Agree with the above as well, referee was shocking and linesmen were just as bad. Blinkers on all night and afraid to show LD men cards. Seems to be one rule for the big clubs and another for the rest

Referee seemed to be very consistent and the two commentators alluded to this. I thought he was decent too, the black card to Murray was deserved and didn't seem to be afraid to give a card in that situation?

The same player (Murray) seemed to be on the end of constant off the ball. Jerome and Caoimhe Morgan were very diplomatic but made it quite obvious in a round about away. The number 2 should have been off well before he was. I believe the first game he was also very lucky that no lineman were watching as not once did he look at the ball for 60 mins (a rival from the same group assures me this was the case).

The melee at the end seemed to be caused by a wrestling match between forward/defender, then the young lad Number 15 for Agh ran a serious distance to spark a melee.. The melee continued and I'm sure both teams were no angels, probably difficult to make out. 2 yellow cards handed out between both teams ( one ended up being a second it seemed).. Young number 15 then struck again after the melee had ended by the looks of the video, which explains his red.

Looked like two good teams going at it with a very boisterous crowd, team with the better discipline and experience got over the line on the night. Think this Agh team have serious potential and wouldn't be surprised to see the two meet again further in comp if Agh concentrate on playing football. LD seem to be easy target in this case because of their notoriety as one of the bigger clubs. They didn't react to the obvious targeting of their multiple star county players. Still don't think they have enough though, Creggan or Cargin. Hopefully more games online so we can see everyone and get better call as to should be putting the money on with Paddy Power 😊

Aghagallon did concentrate on playing football. You say LD had better discipline but only because the ref never had the balls to card them. Murray was giving it just as much as he was taking it. 15 for Aghagallon ran in to break it up yet was the one that got the line. Looked at the video again and didn't see any strike only several LD players trying to antagonise.
Didn't see any "obvious targeting of their multiple star county players" either 

[Anyway, poor Aghagallon. Such a naive, pure footballing bunch. I hope this doesn't put them off.]

We're in a spiral as regards refs.  They take dogs abuse from the sidelines so I'm sure a lot of good men have walked away or wouldn't go near  it.  So you're left with a small pool and as they make more and more unexplainable decisions they just get more and more abuse and the spiral continues and you end up with more and more poor refs or weak refs who haven't the bottle to make the right calls.

At the championship games I've been to this year the refereeing has been mind boggling bad, lots of decisions which make absolutely no sense, and most of the rows have been preceded by bad decisions which wind everyone up. 

It would take strong leadership to review Jerome's video and sanction LD and address it with the ref, but we've never seen it before so I'm afraid we're stuck with our current lot.  No wonder we're a County who the outside look down at.

There are many reasons why an outsider may look down on our county but I doubt this is one of them. Indiscipline and brushing things under the carpet would be as prevalent, if not more so, in other counties as it is in Antrim.
Anyway, poor Aghagallon. Such a naive, pure footballing bunch. I hope this doesn't put them off.

Another one missing the point. Aghagallon were the ones with the red cards and were the ones "targeting" other players. Yet you'd think LD were the hard lads and Aghagallon did nothing about it

One was conal roberts I think and I am not sure who the other was

Weak referees or those who just happen to be buddies of the men who do the appointments who happen to be LD men??

In all seriousness not an easy game to do with all the off the ball stuff and I would have hoped for more assistance for the lines

r u not Allowed to go up the country on a wed night and beat a SW team any mor? sour grapes wine

No sour grapes. People are simply calling out the fact that LD have a reputation that proceeds them. Off the ball antics, late tackles and intimidation stunts from the line. Weak referees get intimidated. It's a stain on Antrim football and has been for a long time. Fact.

Who were the linesmen?

The baldy boy from Antrim Paul burns I think

Was I watching the Same match? LD weren't only to blame surely. Aghagallon seemed to try and boot the Murray with the yellow hair out of the match all night . The Aghagallon boys who got sent off deserved it though maybe the ref or linesmen didn't see a LD aggression in the melee but that doesnt mean the Aghagallon boys were innocent

He deserved a good booting for dying his hair blonde in the first place, he's about 30 and he's up to that carry on.
Agree with the above as well, referee was shocking and linesmen were just as bad. Blinkers on all night and afraid to show LD men cards. Seems to be one rule for the big clubs and another for the rest

Did LD not get the only black card of the night? the Aghagallon sendings off were when the match was as good as over. Yes LD got off light at melee but Aghagallon targeted both Murrays all match which is a bit ironic there brother is managing Aghagallon 

Yes, and? His trip when Aghagallon player was in on goal at the end merited a card and therefore a red, but got neither. Showed the officials were afraid to send LD boys off is all.

LD didn't "bully" anyone 

Was I watching the Same match? LD weren't only to blame surely. Aghagallon seemed to try and boot the Murray with the yellow hair out of the match all night . The Aghagallon boys who got sent off deserved it though maybe the ref or linesmen didn't see a LD aggression in the melee but that doesnt mean the Aghagallon boys were innocent

He deserved a good booting for dying his hair blonde in the first place, he's about 30 and he's up to that carry on.
Agree with the above as well, referee was shocking and linesmen were just as bad. Blinkers on all night and afraid to show LD men cards. Seems to be one rule for the big clubs and another for the rest