Down Club Hurling & Football

[SHEEDY]

That was as poor as it gets, miles of the pace. Roscommon are a good team but we made it so easy for them.

[mourneman9194]

Very poor this evening. Down are absolutely terrible. Such a gulf in class in Ulster its unbelievable - Down, Cavan, Fermanagh and Antrim the worst teams in Ulster, in whatever order its irrelevant. Seriously, what does Kevin McKernan have on the management - honestly there must be about 15/20 players in Down that are a better option. Been a great servant but enough is enough. Mooney well past it and has very rarely lived up to the hype. Good to see Ceilum Doherty back but we need more Kilcoo players making themselves available. How easily teams just cut through the middle against us is so concerning.

[Mourne Red]

Lads Roscommon are hardly world beaters and we were clean shite tonight.. Agree with a few posts saying there's a few boys hanging around too long. We aren't the worst team in Ulster isn't a consolation either, we are probably tied with Fermanagh as the worst atm.. Kilcoo boys coming in won't help us out of this mess.

Again all down to late appointment of management team by an inept co board

[mourneman9194]

Let's look at it from a Kilcoo perspective. A full year of intense training and your asked to go again for your county. Very little down time and let's be honest probably not sustainable. Absolutely, getting the call to represent your county is huge but mentally I wonder what appetite they would have to go into that set up, especially considering how bad things are currently. Keeping Tally was the obvious call for the sake of this year, completely agree that this shambles is all on the county board.

[maldini]

Roscommon looked like they were going to score with every attack, defence miles off it
Kick outs still a big issue as well

[FM]

Was just talking to my down senior link after the game tonight, apparently there is many players who rejected the call. Cathal foy and Conor Cox of Burren, this doesn't bode well for kilcoo boys committing

[SamFever]

Was just talking to my down senior link after the game tonight, apparently there is many players who rejected the call. Cathal foy and Conor Cox of Burren, this doesn't bode well for kilcoo boys committing

The call??

[Mourne Rover]

The days of Fortress Newry are long gone but, even allowing for the poor home form of recent seasons, tonight was a grim display. While Roscommon as usual were a big strong side, they are hardly world beaters, and yet they were almost entirely untroubled from their early penalty to the end. Although you have to feel sorry for any keeper playing behind a badly beaten midfield, there was little evidence of a strategy for our kick outs. Most of the other sectors were equally poor, with an honorable mention for Kerr in difficult circumstances. Our substitutions were curious, and it was particularly hard to understand how Laverty, who had struggled, was sent out for the start of the second half only to called off just before the throw in. The other results mean that our fate is far from sealed but we looked like a division three team this evening.

[snoopdog]

Down have had no kickout strategy since the shit show of a 2nd half in the 2010 final. When Down ran at Roscommon they caused them problems but the finishing was dreadful. Down just kept going for goal. Mooney was a threat but his decision making was poor. Only 1 kilcoo man in the squad hopefully more will be there for Cork. Its not impossible but need to win 2 of the last 3 games to have a chance of staying up. Div 3 and the Tailteann Cup mightnt be the worst outcome  if we can keep hold of players. Realistically though the Kilcoo lads will want to retain their Down ulster and all Ireland so their players may think commiting to kilcoo is their best option at the moment. And who could really blame them.

[SamFever]

Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10

McMahon 5.5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 4/10
Collins 5/10

DoHagan 5.5/10
Niall McParland 4.5/10
Laverty 4.5/10

Doherty 4/10
Murdock 4/10

Poland 5/10
Kerr 6.5/10
Mooney 5/10

Gilmore 4/10
Havern 5/10
McKernan 2/10

Management 4/10

Guinness 4.5/10
C.Doherty 5.5/10
Rushe 4/10
Quinn 4/10
McCormack 4/10

[TakeTheMark]

Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?

[Ed Hardy]

Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?

100% spot on! There wasnt many who put their name forward to take the job on, people need to give the team and management a bit of time. A lot of Down fans needs to be more realistic with their ambitions also, minor and u21/20 results have been brutal for 15 years  or so bar last year. We get one decent team through and boys think they will  turn the senior team around.
Going forward hopefully Barry O Hagan back, along with the Kilcoo boys, Daniel Guinness should hopefully be fit to start and Corey Quinn. That will definitely improve the team. Any word if McCrickard is able to committee? Some ask travelling from Cork tho.

[Mourne Red]

Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?

Roscommon beat Mayo once in those years to reach the final every other year Galway beat Mayo and Mayo don't get going until late in the summer as demonstrated by their patchy form during those years in the qualifiers.. And both Ros/Gal shite themselves once they come up against any of the top 8/10 teams in the country so they aren't world beaters.

Also that's a Roscommon team on the wind down the majority of the team that ran Dublin close in the u21 near 10 years ago are touching or are over 30.

Everyone here has said it's Co Boards fault but if you can't criticise the performance after last nights display then some of you boys need to stop longing for the days of the Gestapo to control what people say and get with the real world

[mourneman9194]

Who is the 4 kilcoo players on the squad?

[TakeTheMark]

Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?

Roscommon beat Mayo once in those years to reach the final every other year Galway beat Mayo and Mayo don't get going until late in the summer as demonstrated by their patchy form during those years in the qualifiers.. And both Ros/Gal shite themselves once they come up against any of the top 8/10 teams in the country so they aren't world beaters.

Also that's a Roscommon team on the wind down the majority of the team that ran Dublin close in the u21 near 10 years ago are touching or are over 30.

Everyone here has said it's Co Boards fault but if you can't criticise the performance after last nights display then some of you boys need to stop longing for the days of the Gestapo to control what people say and get with the real world

I don't even know how to respond to you. You tell us to "get with the real world" but its you that seems to be living on another planet.

To use your example and point, Roscommon got to U-21 finals in 2012 and again in 2014, and you correctly say the core of that team have stayed together (four from yesterday played in the 2012 final, and six from the 2014 final), and somehow you make out that a core team staying together is a detriment rather than a benefit?? Years of getting to know each others style of play? Besides the six from 2014 could only be 29 max, just saying.

I'm not going to respond to you any further as I will only entertain points from people that have clearly thought them out.