The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[Godsown]

The money men couldn't afford for sevco to go bust again. If rangers fail, Celtic make less money ala 2012-2016. Sevco in so much debt this year, that if they don't qualify for champions league, they are gone again. Money men made a decision to effectively forfeit the league to keep sevco alive. 10 in a row would be great for the support, but money men don't care about that. Lennon is just the fall guy.

Or maybe, maybe... Celtic are just crap?

That's it in a nutshell and Rangers just a little bit less crap

[sid waddell]

The money men couldn't afford for sevco to go bust again. If rangers fail, Celtic make less money ala 2012-2016. Sevco in so much debt this year, that if they don't qualify for champions league, they are gone again. Money men made a decision to effectively forfeit the league to keep sevco alive. 10 in a row would be great for the support, but money men don't care about that. Lennon is just the fall guy.

Have heard of that sort of stuff before. Back 20+ years ago when Rangers were very strong and a plethora of points in front in the League, Rangers would throw a League game the week before the scheduled Old Firm Derby. In doing so they'd offer a (very) small window of opportunity to Celtic. This would heighten the profile and interest of the upcoming game. Fans would go crazy for tickets. Betting on the game would go up! It also helped make the League look competitive - even if it was not!

I think of the Dublin Football team in AI finals the last couple of years where they take the foot off the pedal and try to make the final score as if the final was not a mis-match.

More complete nonsense

The conspiracy theories that fly with some Celtic supporters are hilarious

Celtic aren't alone in Scottish football as regards conspiracy theories - when Jim McClean died last week the theory that Dundee United were cheated by a bent ref against Roma in 1984 was thrown around - more complete nonsense - the reality is they froze in the second leg and were well beaten

[illdecide]

How do we fix this? There are so many factors here...Manager?, Board?, Sevco improvements?. We have totally neglected the factor SG has had, they're undefeated in league and more importantly in Europe and are actually feared whereas we're a laughing stock. Even under the great BR we were crap in Europe.

[Angelo]

Conspiracy theories?

Aye. Jim Farry never intervened to stop a Celtic signing from playing in an Old Firm game.

You'd need to by some deranged nutjob not to accept that the SFA has always had an extreme bias to Rangers.

[JimStynes]

Are rangers really that much in debt?

[illdecide]

Are rangers really that much in debt?

I read a few weeks ago that they need £25m by June this year to finish off the year

[JimStynes]

Are rangers really that much in debt?

I read a few weeks ago that they need £25m by June this year to finish off the year

https://twitter.com/swissramble/status/1333303869334548481?s=21

Just reading this again. It doesn't seem as bad as it used to be. Celtic don't exactly seem flush either. Celtic are only in decent shape because of the sale of KT. The old firm need out of the SPL. It's even behind Austria in terms of revenue ffs.

[michaelg]

Conspiracy theories?

Aye. Jim Farry never intervened to stop a Celtic signing from playing in an Old Firm game.

You'd need to by some deranged nutjob not to accept that the SFA has always had an extreme bias to Rangers.

Do you really think a club that has won the league title 51 times have been subject to bias against them?

[Tony Baloney]

Conspiracy theories?

Aye. Jim Farry never intervened to stop a Celtic signing from playing in an Old Firm game.

You'd need to by some deranged nutjob not to accept that the SFA has always had an extreme bias to Rangers.

Do you really think a club that has won the league title 51 times have been subject to bias against them?

I have no skin in the game here as I'm not an active Celtic supporter (although I do keep an eye out for their scores), however I dont think anyone can claim they haven't been shafted over a period of many years by biased referees, protected by the SFA. Scottish football is rife with sectarianism (you may have noticed  ) and the refereeing and SFA fraternity have done little to separate themselves from it. The majority of issues that I can see are explicitly targeting Celtic and therefore implicitly benefitting Rangers, who let's face it are always going to benefit from a dodgy penalty decision or sending off against Celtic even when they aren't playing them.

[JimStynes]

Hugh Dallas

[Angelo]

Conspiracy theories?

Aye. Jim Farry never intervened to stop a Celtic signing from playing in an Old Firm game.

You'd need to by some deranged nutjob not to accept that the SFA has always had an extreme bias to Rangers.

Do you really think a club that has won the league title 51 times have been subject to bias against them?

Never said that. I said that they have benefited from referees and a football association with a clear bias to them and only a nutjob like Sid could look at the facts and deny that.

[sid waddell]

Celtic's defeat yesterday was a masonic conspiracy, as it always is when they lose to Rangers

The referee was spotted giving the secret handshake with the ghost of Bill Struth before the match

Struth's ghost gave him 5Gs in cash

And Bitton is a Mossad agent

[Angelo]

Are rangers really that much in debt?

I read a few weeks ago that they need £25m by June this year to finish off the year

https://twitter.com/swissramble/status/1333303869334548481?s=21

Just reading this again. It doesn't seem as bad as it used to be. Celtic don't exactly seem flush either. Celtic are only in decent shape because of the sale of KT. The old firm need out of the SPL. It's even behind Austria in terms of revenue ffs.

Celtic have 30 odd million cash in the bank, haven't posted a loss in years and have a billionaire owner. A big problem is we have a executive who took around 5m out of the club last season in salary and bonuses when the club has been underachieving on the European stage.

There is absolutely no reason why Celtic should not be qualifying for the CL on a yearly basis. We have failed to qualify the last 3 seasons, knocked out by AEK, Cluj and Ferencvaros. Celtic's budget absolutely dwarves that of any of those three clubs. Under Rodgers we did qualify for the CL 2 out of 3 times and it is a huge boost for the club, can be worth upwards of £30m to the club - £30m extra every season allows us to either keep quality players at the club or bring in quality players.

The big question mark is why have we failed to make the CL in the past 3 seasons and answer is fairly simple. Mismanagement, both on the field and off it.

We will look at the first season for example, Rodger's last full season. We know Rodgers was getting increasingly frustrated at the board f**king about with McGinn, McGinn wanted the move and Rodgers wanted him in straight away but they were faffing about trying to save a few hundred grand by dragging it out until the final day of the window where they thought they could lowball Hibs into a cut price deal as McGinn was in the final year of his contract.

We ended up out of Europe and out of the CL. We also had Boyata in a similar situation ourselves and both he and Dembele weren't featuring due to the fact they both wanted out. Celtic had made no contingency plans at this point. They had made Bain and Edouard permanent transfers but that was the only action. Benkovic arrived on a loan deal on the final day and Mulumbu arrived on a free transfer. You can see why Rodgers was irate. He had brought Celtic CL action 2 times in succession, there was plenty of money there to spend and improve the squad and the board decided to pocket it. We missed out on McGinn, missed out on CL football, hawked off Dembele and we brought in a loan signing and a freebie.

The next season we prioritised the sale Tierney. For me £25m was a pathetic fee, Tierney had 4 years left on his contract, is easily one of the best left backs in Europe. Every Celtic fan knows how good he is, if Celtic or Lennon had put the foot down and said he's not for sale then there would be no issue with Tierney. It's similar to the time McGeady left, McGeady was on with Simon Ferry lately and said it was the club who wanted to sell him rather than the other way round though he was willing for a new challenge at the time. Rodgers also said that the club tried to sell Tierney for £10m when he was at the club but he demanded Tierney stayed. Anyway the Cluj result is probably on Lennon, starting McGregor at left back and leaving Jullien on the bench was shambolic. Ferencvaros was Lennon's fault again this year, leaving 2 strikers on the bench while starting with none.

We all know (or those of us who are out blinded by county loyalty) that Neil Lennon is a pub league standard manager who can't operate at a club with European ambition. His lack of tactical awareness, training ground failures, poor planning and man management means Celtic will continue to underachieve. The only reason he is in the job is that he will do whatever it is Lawwell tells him to. If Lawwell tells him next season that Ajer and Edouard go then Ajer and Edouard go, I think it's almost inevitable that both these players will leave next season and for an absolute song to.

We have thrown away our dominant position due to mismanagement, a proper managerial appointment after Rodgers would have ensured CL football, it would have ensured a bigger budget and possibly the chance to extend the likes of Ajer and Edouard and make sure they would not have been sold on the cheap. But we all know that Lawwell looks after his own personal interests before that of the club.

Lennon has to go and Lawwell has to follow. Desmond needs to put his hand in his pocket and cover the losses of the mess Lawwell has made of this club.

[Angelo]

Celtic's defeat yesterday was a masonic conspiracy, as it always is when they lose to Rangers

The referee was spotted giving the secret handshake with the ghost of Bill Struth before the match

Struth's ghost gave him 5Gs in cash

And Bitton is a Mossad agent

Satire isn't your cup of tea.

[marty34]

Are rangers really that much in debt?

I read a few weeks ago that they need £25m by June this year to finish off the year

https://twitter.com/swissramble/status/1333303869334548481?s=21

Just reading this again. It doesn't seem as bad as it used to be. Celtic don't exactly seem flush either. Celtic are only in decent shape because of the sale of KT. The old firm need out of the SPL. It's even behind Austria in terms of revenue ffs.

Celtic have 30 odd million cash in the bank, haven't posted a loss in years and have a billionaire owner. A big problem is we have a executive who took around 5m out of the club last season in salary and bonuses when the club has been underachieving on the European stage.

There is absolutely no reason why Celtic should not be qualifying for the CL on a yearly basis. We have failed to qualify the last 3 seasons, knocked out by AEK, Cluj and Ferencvaros. Celtic's budget absolutely dwarves that of any of those three clubs. Under Rodgers we did qualify for the CL 2 out of 3 times and it is a huge boost for the club, can be worth upwards of £30m to the club - £30m extra every season allows us to either keep quality players at the club or bring in quality players.

The big question mark is why have we failed to make the CL in the past 3 seasons and answer is fairly simple. Mismanagement, both on the field and off it.

We will look at the first season for example, Rodger's last full season. We know Rodgers was getting increasingly frustrated at the board f**king about with McGinn, McGinn wanted the move and Rodgers wanted him in straight away but they were faffing about trying to save a few hundred grand by dragging it out until the final day of the window where they thought they could lowball Hibs into a cut price deal as McGinn was in the final year of his contract.

We ended up out of Europe and out of the CL. We also had Boyata in a similar situation ourselves and both he and Dembele weren't featuring due to the fact they both wanted out. Celtic had made no contingency plans at this point. They had made Bain and Edouard permanent transfers but that was the only action. Benkovic arrived on a loan deal on the final day and Mulumbu arrived on a free transfer. You can see why Rodgers was irate. He had brought Celtic CL action 2 times in succession, there was plenty of money there to spend and improve the squad and the board decided to pocket it. We missed out on McGinn, missed out on CL football, hawked off Dembele and we brought in a loan signing and a freebie.

The next season we prioritised the sale Tierney. For me £25m was a pathetic fee, Tierney had 4 years left on his contract, is easily one of the best left backs in Europe. Every Celtic fan knows how good he is, if Celtic or Lennon had put the foot down and said he's not for sale then there would be no issue with Tierney. It's similar to the time McGeady left, McGeady was on with Simon Ferry lately and said it was the club who wanted to sell him rather than the other way round though he was willing for a new challenge at the time. Rodgers also said that the club tried to sell Tierney for £10m when he was at the club but he demanded Tierney stayed. Anyway the Cluj result is probably on Lennon, starting McGregor at left back and leaving Jullien on the bench was shambolic. Ferencvaros was Lennon's fault again this year, leaving 2 strikers on the bench while starting with none.

We all know (or those of us who are out blinded by county loyalty) that Neil Lennon is a pub league standard manager who can't operate at a club with European ambition. His lack of tactical awareness, training ground failures, poor planning and man management means Celtic will continue to underachieve. The only reason he is in the job is that he will do whatever it is Lawwell tells him to. If Lawwell tells him next season that Ajer and Edouard go then Ajer and Edouard go, I think it's almost inevitable that both these players will leave next season and for an absolute song to.

We have thrown away our dominant position due to mismanagement, a proper managerial appointment after Rodgers would have ensured CL football, it would have ensured a bigger budget and possibly the chance to extend the likes of Ajer and Edouard and make sure they would not have been sold on the cheap. But we all know that Lawwell looks after his own personal interests before that of the club.

Lennon has to go and Lawwell has to follow. Desmond needs to put his hand in his pocket and cover the losses of the mess Lawwell has made of this club.

Good post. Lennon got offered the job in the Hampden showers ffs. What a set up!

Lennon's taking them to Dubai on a 'training camp' this week.  Another f:*king joke.  What's he at?

In the middle of a pandemic, let's f*#k off on a plane to Dubai.

I know one thing, he'll not be working on set pieces.

Lennon and Lawell out.