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They did. They also refused midweek because tony kernan works in England.

I actually don't believe cross should have done a or b. I'm just relaying the facts.

[We offered to move the game]

Wind your neck in Orangeman. I don't see how we can be brought into this in anyway. We offered to move the game but Dromintee didn't make any official approach to the club. They went on a solo run and embarrassed themselves and Armagh gaa. We did what we had to do, they didn't. And throw ball is right. There was free entry to the game so no one made any money out of it!

Actually dromintee claim cross point blank refused to change the game because Jamie Clarke goes on another holiday this morning

Big change from not fielding and borrowing antrim club jerseys. At last report the hurling club at uuj were heavily in debt and demanding the head of support staff.

Someone's found a few quid somewhere... Antrim county board or the ulster council I presume?

I was pleasantly surprised with shorty clarke - showed very well for the ball and there's a good argument for saying he was the difference between the teams at the end

Fair enough pog - was certain it was shotry but i'm sure a clubmate would know.

Training is the place to learn those lessons against the best in your sphere. make mistakes trying to do the right things where it doesn't matter.

It matters to a 19 year old defender to be making those mistakes in front of 5000 people

He captained Armagh minors to the AI in front of much more - I'm sure he'll cope. Give the man some credit.

This is getting pedantic. i didn't criticise Declan. the fact that anyone played minor football at the highest level is irrelevent to the learning curve of senior football where the scrutiny and quality is much higher. we need our younger players better managed is my point.

Did Deccie get the winning point?

No - Shorty Clarke

Training is the place to learn those lessons against the best in your sphere. make mistakes trying to do the right things where it doesn't matter.

It matters to a 19 year old defender to be making those mistakes in front of 5000 people

Way to miss the point.

You don't throw young defenders into the McKenna cup against the best forwards in the country. its entirely different from blooding a forward. you nurture a defenders confidence and build his capacity to deal with better and better forwards - yes in training games. why didn't dyas, martin or duffy pick clarke up?

I want McKenna to be the next kieran mcgeeney but this is not the way to achieve it. He is one of the brighter defensive talents in the county and needs to be better prtected and progressed than that.

Keep your heads in the sand there lads

Aye, i know he does - just never saw him outfield for the county and wondered if it was a different por

My initial comment:

While its good to see younger lads coming through i couldn't help but feel very sorry for young mckenna tonight. the lad obviously isn't ready for this step up and i think his development will be irreversibly harmed by getting roastings like this.

Was a criticism of the management. It's particularly difficult for a young defender to come into a county senior team. Much easier for a forward. Young McKenna has plenty of potential but throwing him in there – and putting him on martin Clarke – is shocking stuff. That he didn't light the place up is not his fault.

A poster then asked the question about McKenna's performance. He was v v poor. Again, I don't lay any blame at his door. Should I tell lies to protect your sensibilities?

shorty didn't score a goal - twas anto duffy.

McKenna was v v poor.

Both defences were brutal and both forward lines were v impressive.

down goals were scored by sheerin and coulter x2 - armagh's by mallon and a duffy.

Grugan and o'rourke impressive for armagh in the half forward line. toner completely decimated at full back.

While its good to see younger lads coming through i couldn't help but feel very sorry for young mckenna tonight. the lad obviously isn't ready for this step up and i think his development will be irreversibly harmed by getting roastings like this.

plenty of attacking football tonight and no covering especially for the purists!

Paddy O'Rourke running for keeper and outfield?

Post it up the lg