England getting the easy group again.
England
Iran
USA
Wales/Scotland/Ukraine
Qatar vs Ecuador opening game of World Cup
All groups here:
https://twitter.com/fifaworldcup/status/1509943669629018120?s=21&t=6Wx_S1F_xzpk9F_4p91CBg
Group A: Qatar, Ecuador, Netherlands, Senegal
Group B: England, Iran, USA, Scotland/Wales/Ukraine
Group C: Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Poland
Group D: France, UAE/Australia/Peru, Denmark, Tunisia
Group E: Spain, Costa Rica/New Zealand, Germany, Japan
Group F: Belgium, Canada, Morocco, Croatia
Group G: Brazil, Serbia, Switzerland, Cameroon
Group H: Portugal, Ghana, Uruguay, South Korea
England got an easy enough draw but Iran are playing next to home so won't be too put out by the conditions and the USA won't be pushovers any more.
There is no outstanding candidate for group of death although it will probably be the Spain, Germany, Japan, qualifier group.
I can't wait.
It's some draw for England. Looks like qatar or Senegal in 2nd round, argies in quarters. Maybe the Dutch could slip into second place
That draw was a bit meh..
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 01, 2022, 06:28:48 PM
England got an easy enough draw but Iran are playing next to home so won't be too put out by the conditions and the USA won't be pushovers any more.
There is no outstanding candidate for group of death although it will probably be the Spain, Germany, Japan, qualifier group.
I can't wait.
Funny i was gona say Brazils group for group of death but theres none really....
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2022, 06:52:49 PM
That draw was a bit meh..
Always the case in World Cup. Will be worse next time out with European teams making up an even smaller percentage. Decent chance that all bar 1 of Euro teams will make second round. Maybe 2.
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 01, 2022, 06:28:48 PM
England got an easy enough draw but Iran are playing next to home so won't be too put out by the conditions and the USA won't be pushovers any more.
There is no outstanding candidate for group of death although it will probably be the Spain, Germany, Japan, qualifier group.
I can't wait.
They are awful - they struggled in qualifying
England got to semifinals and finals of last two tournaments, most groups they'll get out off
Draw probably a bit meh due to the move from 24 to 32. Also a few places undecided
The draw for 2026 might last the whole weekend
I have Spain backed to win it since the Euros. I think their posession football in the extreme conditions will be effective in tiring teams out.
Quote from: laoislad on April 01, 2022, 08:10:21 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 01, 2022, 07:49:58 PM
Draw probably a bit meh due to the move from 24 to 32. Also a few places undecided
The World Cup has had 32 teams since 1998?!
Ah just ignore me lol. Gettin mixed up with the euros which increases next time round? Im away for a drink 😃
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 01, 2022, 08:42:21 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 01, 2022, 08:10:21 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 01, 2022, 07:49:58 PM
Draw probably a bit meh due to the move from 24 to 32. Also a few places undecided
The World Cup has had 32 teams since 1998?!
Ah just ignore me lol. Gettin mixed up with the euros which increases next time round? Im away for a drink 😃
The Euros went from 16 to 24 in 2016 I think. Does it increase again?
Quote from: ardtole on April 01, 2022, 08:37:49 PM
I have Spain backed to win it since the Euros. I think their posession football in the extreme conditions will be effective in tiring teams out.
Will it be that hot in November?
Southgate is one jammy cnut. The draw is a gift. They did their best to f it up in Russia and still stumbled into a SF ffs. Some shit teams there. Time for world qualifying to get the actual best 32 teams. The euros to be honest are better even with 24 teams
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2022, 09:48:28 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 01, 2022, 08:37:49 PM
I have Spain backed to win it since the Euros. I think their posession football in the extreme conditions will be effective in tiring teams out.
Will it be that hot in November?
(https://cdn.hikb.at/charts/average-monthly-temperatures/doha-average-monthly-temperatures.png)
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on April 01, 2022, 09:53:18 PM
Southgate is one jammy cnut. The draw is a gift. They did their best to f it up in Russia and still stumbled into a SF ffs. Some shit teams there. Time for world qualifying to get the actual best 32 teams. The euros to be honest are better even with 24 teams
They're not jammy. For the past decade they've significantly better at football than 95% of countries, and a bit better than half of what's remaining.
Which means that second seeds are all clearly weaker than them. Third seeds are also rans against them. Fourth seeds might as well not show up.
As a result, just about any draw for them in a seeded competition is going to come out monstrously in their favour.
No harm but I don't think Spain, Portugal or Brazil would say the draw is monstrously in their favour and they have actually won tournaments. England have got a massive slice of luck with this draw.
I do agree though that they've improved massively in recent years under Southgate. Thankfully they didn't go for the jugglar against the Italians in the euro final or we'd be talking about the current European champions!!
Should have bate Croatia in semi and lost a Nation cup final also, they aren't great individuals they are a decent team though...
It won't matter, it's who they possibly meet in the knockout stages
England got the handiest second seed, the toughest fourth seed, and a middle of the road third seed.
Their draw was neither lucky nor unlucky. Maybe just looks a bit softer for having missed out on a second seed heavyweight. No idea how the US are ranked 15th, their presence amongst the second seeds seems to skew things a bit. But it's also not as if there were many standouts in pots 3 or 4 that might have replaced them. Loads of muck in this competition. Still love it, though.
Quote from: An Watcher on April 01, 2022, 10:58:12 PM
No harm but I don't think Spain, Portugal or Brazil would say the draw is monstrously in their favour and they have actually won tournaments. England have got a massive slice of luck with this draw.
I do agree though that they've improved massively in recent years under Southgate. Thankfully they didn't go for the jugglar against the Italians in the euro final or we'd be talking about the current European champions!!
England would be between 1/2 and unbackable favourites in a match against every single team in pots 2, 3 and 4, with the exception of Germany.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 01, 2022, 08:42:21 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 01, 2022, 08:10:21 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 01, 2022, 07:49:58 PM
Draw probably a bit meh due to the move from 24 to 32. Also a few places undecided
The World Cup has had 32 teams since 1998?!
Ah just ignore me lol. Gettin mixed up with the euros which increases next time round? Im away for a drink 😃
The Euros went from 16 to 24 in 2016 I think. Does it increase again?
Possibly in 2028 ive read there. Ill get it right yet!
i feel like a lot of groups outside the top seeds look close
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 01, 2022, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2022, 09:48:28 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 01, 2022, 08:37:49 PM
I have Spain backed to win it since the Euros. I think their posession football in the extreme conditions will be effective in tiring teams out.
Will it be that hot in November?
(https://cdn.hikb.at/charts/average-monthly-temperatures/doha-average-monthly-temperatures.png)
i would love global qualifying it be interesting see ireland having to play a match in Bolivia imagine Ireland playing USA in a qualifier it be a great trip for some people but it would probably too hard logistically to have teams like cook islands come to Europe. you would would probably have to have the weaker teams stay in regions then when 80 is left have a global qualifying tournament.
Relax, don't do it - especially in Qatar
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/single-football-fans-could-face-032445002.html
On Group B, did Wales qualify?
Unfortunately yes
Quote from: Eire90 on April 02, 2022, 01:20:23 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 01, 2022, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2022, 09:48:28 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 01, 2022, 08:37:49 PM
I have Spain backed to win it since the Euros. I think their posession football in the extreme conditions will be effective in tiring teams out.
Will it be that hot in November?
(https://cdn.hikb.at/charts/average-monthly-temperatures/doha-average-monthly-temperatures.png)
i would love global qualifying it be interesting see ireland having to play a match in Bolivia imagine Ireland playing USA in a qualifier it be a great trip for some people but it would probably too hard logistically to have teams like cook islands come to Europe. you would would probably have to have the weaker teams stay in regions then when 80 is left have a global qualifying tournament.
Would only benefit the mid tier UEFA nations. Not inconceivable that all bar 1 of the UEFA teams will make the second round this year. Brazil's group is the only one where a UEFA team will almost certainly fall. If there was global qualifying you'd probably have 20 of the 32 from Europe.
Quote from: shark on June 26, 2022, 08:31:54 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 02, 2022, 01:20:23 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 01, 2022, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2022, 09:48:28 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 01, 2022, 08:37:49 PM
I have Spain backed to win it since the Euros. I think their posession football in the extreme conditions will be effective in tiring teams out.
Will it be that hot in November?
(https://cdn.hikb.at/charts/average-monthly-temperatures/doha-average-monthly-temperatures.png)
i would love global qualifying it be interesting see ireland having to play a match in Bolivia imagine Ireland playing USA in a qualifier it be a great trip for some people but it would probably too hard logistically to have teams like cook islands come to Europe. you would would probably have to have the weaker teams stay in regions then when 80 is left have a global qualifying tournament.
Would only benefit the mid tier UEFA nations. Not inconceivable that all bar 1 of the UEFA teams will make the second round this year. Brazil's group is the only one where a UEFA team will almost certainly fall. If there was global qualifying you'd probably have 20 of the 32 from Europe.
global qualifying would work if there was no seeding
Get your money on Wales lads
This is incredible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho9UuNq9-dA
Quote from: Franko on September 12, 2022, 05:28:59 PM
Get your money on Wales lads
This is incredible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho9UuNq9-dA
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0913/1322206-wales-boss-page-wants-fantastic-sheen-at-world-cup/
Wales manager Robert Page plans to invite Michael Sheen to the World Cup after the Hollywood actor's "significant" speech on television.
Sheen's passionate oratory on Sky's sports panel show A League of Their Own has gone viral on social media, with the two-minute clip having had over 13million views.
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2022, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 12, 2022, 05:28:59 PM
Get your money on Wales lads
This is incredible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho9UuNq9-dA
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0913/1322206-wales-boss-page-wants-fantastic-sheen-at-world-cup/
Wales manager Robert Page plans to invite Michael Sheen to the World Cup after the Hollywood actor's "significant" speech on television.
Sheen's passionate oratory on Sky's sports panel show A League of Their Own has gone viral on social media, with the two-minute clip having had over 13million views.
Absolutely superb, seen it on Twitter and don't care one little bit of it was rehersed or not, would make you want to go out and kick the bejeepers out of the neighbors.
He also did a lecture on the Welsh and Britishness from i think 2017 which is available. It's just as good.
I thought it was Andy Serkis
(https://wl-brightside.cf.tsp.li/resize/728x/jpg/9db/916/f5378453f1843b2ead75fec617.jpg)
England losing a few games. Hopefully the form continues.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 26, 2022, 09:17:47 PM
England losing a few games. Hopefully the form continues.
Ended up a draw.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 26, 2022, 09:17:47 PM
England losing a few games. Hopefully the form continues.
Nah, it's better when they get close and fail. Not as close as the Euro finals last time, but semis or quarters (loss on penos preferably) are pretty much perfect.
They looked very good when playing at a high tempo and running at opposition (although that's not a great German team). They have some very electric and exciting players but they don't look like a team who can control the tempo of a game that well. Their passing game is not strong enough and they inevitability come up with a stray pass. Look sloppy and error prone in defence when the pressure is on too. They will take beating of course but probably not equipped enough for a tournament like the WC. Would take a very lucky draw for them to be in the shake up and a big improvement in form to boot.
A back three of Dyer (going OK with spurs in fairness), Maguire and Stones/Walker is never keeping a clean sheet against the better teams and this German outfit are bang average by their standards although the 19yo looks to have something about him.
England managers always make the same mistakes. They pick on loyalty and past performance rather than form or ability. Maguire and Shaw are not good enough to play in that team. Picking them leaves others wondering what they have to do to get in the team. Their teammates don't trust them. I can't see Southgate being the Manager in Jan 2023 if he keeps picking Maguire.
Quote from: johnnycool on September 27, 2022, 01:59:45 PM
A back three of Dyer (going OK with spurs in fairness), Maguire and Stones/Walker is never keeping a clean sheet against the better teams and this German outfit are bang average by their standards although the 19yo looks to have something about him.
Capped by England up to U21 level. They've missed out there.
Quote from: oakleaflad on September 27, 2022, 02:09:16 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 27, 2022, 01:59:45 PM
A back three of Dyer (going OK with spurs in fairness), Maguire and Stones/Walker is never keeping a clean sheet against the better teams and this German outfit are bang average by their standards although the 19yo looks to have something about him.
Capped by England up to U21 level. They've missed out there.
Karma for Rice and Grealish!
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0921/1324688-beckham-silence-in-step-with-qatari-world-cup-omerta/
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0928/1326014-simpler-danish-kit-to-serve-as-protest-against-qatar/
Quote from: seafoid on September 28, 2022, 07:00:22 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0928/1326014-simpler-danish-kit-to-serve-as-protest-against-qatar/
Someone in the American politics thread questioned what "virtue signalling" was and that it was a term invented hy conservatives to bash the libs.
THIS is virtue signalling.
In other news, 13 hour queuing Beckham is taking the Qatar Cash.
''Whatever about the morality of it all, from a brand perspective, the decision to assume a cultural ambassador role for Qatar to promote the country's tourism and culture was a highly questionable one, though one for which he is being reportedly remunerated to the tune of £150m.''
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0921/1324688-beckham-silence-in-step-with-qatari-world-cup-omerta/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0921/1324688-beckham-silence-in-step-with-qatari-world-cup-omerta/)
Just having a look at the draw and trying to see which outsider could make a run to the latter stages? Thinking Uruguay, Denmark or Mexico but probably just basing this on past world cups. Any ideas/views?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2022, 09:17:20 PM
In other news, 13 hour queuing Beckham is taking the Qatar Cash.
''Whatever about the morality of it all, from a brand perspective, the decision to assume a cultural ambassador role for Qatar to promote the country's tourism and culture was a highly questionable one, though one for which he is being reportedly remunerated to the tune of £150m.''
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0921/1324688-beckham-silence-in-step-with-qatari-world-cup-omerta/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0921/1324688-beckham-silence-in-step-with-qatari-world-cup-omerta/)
For £150m I'd support Down.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 10, 2022, 10:03:11 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2022, 09:17:20 PM
In other news, 13 hour queuing Beckham is taking the Qatar Cash.
''Whatever about the morality of it all, from a brand perspective, the decision to assume a cultural ambassador role for Qatar to promote the country's tourism and culture was a highly questionable one, though one for which he is being reportedly remunerated to the tune of £150m.''
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0921/1324688-beckham-silence-in-step-with-qatari-world-cup-omerta/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0921/1324688-beckham-silence-in-step-with-qatari-world-cup-omerta/)
For £150m I'd support Down.
£150m! Crazy money!
Quote from: JimStynes on November 10, 2022, 10:29:20 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 10, 2022, 10:03:11 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2022, 09:17:20 PM
In other news, 13 hour queuing Beckham is taking the Qatar Cash.
''Whatever about the morality of it all, from a brand perspective, the decision to assume a cultural ambassador role for Qatar to promote the country's tourism and culture was a highly questionable one, though one for which he is being reportedly remunerated to the tune of £150m.''
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0921/1324688-beckham-silence-in-step-with-qatari-world-cup-omerta/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0921/1324688-beckham-silence-in-step-with-qatari-world-cup-omerta/)
For £150m I'd support Down.
£150m! Crazy money!
Not like he needs it but Jesus that is some dough can't blame him
Here's Sir David...
https://twitter.com/SeanBurkeShow/status/1591060130061131777?t=WsbouPTXFSS-jcJfH9KxxA&s=19
;D ;D ;D
More a dig at anyone who's in any way 'looking forward' to this world cup.
Predicting it'll be a disaster whilst the media get paid handsomely to dress it up and try to convince everyone its not that bad.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/qatar-world-cup-media-laws-28503229.amp (https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/qatar-world-cup-media-laws-28503229.amp)
This is a completely normal World Cup.
Why wasn't there as much outrage before and during the last World Cup?
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 16, 2022, 11:04:20 PM
Why wasn't there as much outrage before and during the last World Cup?
There was a fair bit as I recall.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 16, 2022, 11:18:07 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 16, 2022, 11:04:20 PM
Why wasn't there as much outrage before and during the last World Cup?
There was a fair bit as I recall.
Definitely was a bit but nowhere near this level.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 16, 2022, 11:35:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 16, 2022, 11:18:07 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 16, 2022, 11:04:20 PM
Why wasn't there as much outrage before and during the last World Cup?
There was a fair bit as I recall.
Definitely was a bit but nowhere near this level.
Or South Africa spending billions on white elephant stadium infrastructure, just how many people died due to service cuts in other areas?
The whole Qatar application and voting process was so corrupt that even Sep voted for Australia ;)
On the other hand for those fans who have booked their hotel space, Qatar 2022 will be a dream competition in regards to following their team. No longer do they have to travel tens of thousands of Kms to follow their team, they even take in 2 games a day.
Ireland at Australia/NZ WC, fans first travel to Australia, then travel all day to the 2nd group game and same again for the third game. Absolutely brainless scheduling and yet its tolerated without a murmur of protest.
The World Cup this year reminds me of the 2020 all Irelands.
Quote from: seafoid on November 17, 2022, 12:59:44 PM
The World Cup this year reminds me of the 2020 all Irelands.
Yeah thats a good one!
Quote from: seafoid on November 17, 2022, 12:59:44 PM
The World Cup this year reminds me of the 2020 all Irelands.
Yes hard to get the head around the normally summer tournament played in November and December
https://twitter.com/fbawaydays/status/1592485080349708288?s=46&t=QqhmCbbpWxCnDWYNEhDaBg (https://twitter.com/fbawaydays/status/1592485080349708288?s=46&t=QqhmCbbpWxCnDWYNEhDaBg)
Quote from: Cunny Funt on November 17, 2022, 05:24:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 17, 2022, 12:59:44 PM
The World Cup this year reminds me of the 2020 all Irelands.
Yes hard to get the head around the normally summer tournament played in November and December
It's an abomination. There used to be a 3 or 4 week run up to the tournament. And it used to be in summer.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 17, 2022, 08:05:48 PM
https://twitter.com/fbawaydays/status/1592485080349708288?s=46&t=QqhmCbbpWxCnDWYNEhDaBg (https://twitter.com/fbawaydays/status/1592485080349708288?s=46&t=QqhmCbbpWxCnDWYNEhDaBg)
You'd wonder where Qatars influence/control will end? Could pressure be put on the Referee for Qatari games? It has happened before - Argentina v Peru and South Korea v Italy.
beer in stadium banned announced apparently cooperates can still drink beer
Animal Farm.
Not that one the other one
Major sporting events should not be in places like Qatar, the whole vibe is against their culture a massive backhander gone wrong.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 18, 2022, 01:47:20 PM
beer in stadium banned announced apparently cooperates can still drink beer
A major kick in FIFA's nads. They aren't even pretending to play along amymore
Quote from: Gmac on November 18, 2022, 03:00:45 PM
Major sporting events should not be in places like Qatar, the whole vibe is against their culture a massive backhander gone wrong.
Yup. It's all arseways. Totally corrupt and at the wrong time of year.
Nepal sent more workers to Qatar than almost any nation, their people built the World Cup. More than 2,000 returned in coffins.
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/11/09/sports/00worldcup-nepal-migrants/00worldcup-nepal-migrants-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webphttps://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/11/09/sports/00worldcup-nepal-migrants/00worldcup-nepal-migrants-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp)
Those in corporate areas of stadiums at the tournament will still be able to purchase alcohol.
::)
Who wants to have anything to do with this sham?
These issues with migrant workers , exploitation, and all the alcohol/gay stuff was known 10 years ago. Countries should have got together years ago and stated they weren't going to play any World Cup in Qatar. No point complaining about it two days away
It's back again
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ubRBLAHjkTo
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ubRBLAHjkTo)
Will Qatar buy a result on Sunday against Equador?
Quote from: The Trap on November 18, 2022, 09:47:51 PM
Will Qatar buy a result on Sunday against Equador?
I hope they get thumped
I hope they do well. Tournament is always much better if the hosts get through a few rounds
Wouldn't fancy reffing one of their games all the same.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/18/world-cup-accommodation-site-unfinished-with-abandoned-trucks (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/18/world-cup-accommodation-site-unfinished-with-abandoned-trucks)
The circus continues.
They a poor team, not win a game think but this hot weather, its hard to tell, only European teams I think do well is, Portugal or Spain where the weather is hot.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 19, 2022, 12:03:52 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/18/world-cup-accommodation-site-unfinished-with-abandoned-trucks (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/18/world-cup-accommodation-site-unfinished-with-abandoned-trucks)
The circus continues.
why would you want to go near it with not a beer in sight.
Checking the schedule there and I see a game that I thought would get more attention:
Monday 21 Nov ENG v IRA
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 18, 2022, 09:56:28 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 18, 2022, 09:47:51 PM
Will Qatar buy a result on Sunday against Equador?
I hope they get thumped
They have been training together for several months. Nobody else has. This year's winter tournament is like a blend between a major football gig and the O'Byrne cup.
Quote from: seafoid on November 19, 2022, 08:12:21 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 18, 2022, 09:56:28 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 18, 2022, 09:47:51 PM
Will Qatar buy a result on Sunday against Equador?
I hope they get thumped
They have been training together for several months. Nobody else has. This year's winter tournament is like a blend between a major football gig and the O'Byrne cup.
They got beat by Linfield.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on November 19, 2022, 03:45:34 AM
Checking the schedule there and I see a game that I thought would get more attention:
Monday 21 Nov ENG v IRA
Gerry Adams on Twitter is well onto that one. ;D
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 19, 2022, 12:10:28 AM
They a poor team, not win a game think but this hot weather, its hard to tell, only European teams I think do well is, Portugal or Spain where the weather is hot.
It will be the usual 6 European teams and Argentina and Brazil in the QF you may get one other team instead. It makes a mockery of the WC every time they keep expanding the tournament, more pub teams get in. It is getting expanded to 48 soon and only about 15 euro positions - a joke. They should get about 25 based on rankings. I have said it before world qualifying would allow the best teams to actually qualify instead of the current farce.
I see infantino has been making a fool of himself today with his Qatar defense. Must be trying to out do platini and blatter.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 19, 2022, 11:12:12 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 19, 2022, 12:10:28 AM
They a poor team, not win a game think but this hot weather, its hard to tell, only European teams I think do well is, Portugal or Spain where the weather is hot.
It will be the usual 6 European teams and Argentina and Brazil in the QF you may get one other team instead. It makes a mockery of the WC every time they keep expanding the tournament, more pub teams get in. It is getting expanded to 48 soon and only about 15 euro positions - a joke. They should get about 25 based on rankings. I have said it before world qualifying would allow the best teams to actually qualify instead of the current farce.
Yep. 2026 group stages will be awful. While 5 of the top 30 teams sit back in Europe twiddling their thumbs.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 19, 2022, 11:12:12 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 19, 2022, 12:10:28 AM
They a poor team, not win a game think but this hot weather, its hard to tell, only European teams I think do well is, Portugal or Spain where the weather is hot.
It will be the usual 6 European teams and Argentina and Brazil in the QF you may get one other team instead. It makes a mockery of the WC every time they keep expanding the tournament, more pub teams get in. It is getting expanded to 48 soon and only about 15 euro positions - a joke. They should get about 25 based on rankings. I have said it before world qualifying would allow the best teams to actually qualify instead of the current farce.
Those pub teams federations give excellent bribes though to the FIFA Executive Committee
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 19, 2022, 11:32:43 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 19, 2022, 11:12:12 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 19, 2022, 12:10:28 AM
They a poor team, not win a game think but this hot weather, its hard to tell, only European teams I think do well is, Portugal or Spain where the weather is hot.
It will be the usual 6 European teams and Argentina and Brazil in the QF you may get one other team instead. It makes a mockery of the WC every time they keep expanding the tournament, more pub teams get in. It is getting expanded to 48 soon and only about 15 euro positions - a joke. They should get about 25 based on rankings. I have said it before world qualifying would allow the best teams to actually qualify instead of the current farce.
Those pub teams federations give excellent bribes though to the FIFA Executive Committee
Probably true. UEFA must surely have enough clout though to fight for their own teams so why don't they?
Always thought the same. Having representation from all corners of the world is more important than having the best teams there.
The 32 best teams in the world would be 80-90% European
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 19, 2022, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 19, 2022, 11:32:43 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 19, 2022, 11:12:12 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 19, 2022, 12:10:28 AM
They a poor team, not win a game think but this hot weather, its hard to tell, only European teams I think do well is, Portugal or Spain where the weather is hot.
It will be the usual 6 European teams and Argentina and Brazil in the QF you may get one other team instead. It makes a mockery of the WC every time they keep expanding the tournament, more pub teams get in. It is getting expanded to 48 soon and only about 15 euro positions - a joke. They should get about 25 based on rankings. I have said it before world qualifying would allow the best teams to actually qualify instead of the current farce.
Those pub teams federations give excellent bribes though to the FIFA Executive Committee
Probably true. UEFA must surely have enough clout though to fight for their own teams so why don't they?
It's one vote per country with fifa I think so uefa are not in any better a position than some of the better federations most of whom have much poorer quality teams.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 19, 2022, 05:08:12 PM
Always thought the same. Having representation from all corners of the world is more important than having the best teams there.
Yes, getting to see teams from different continents play each other makes the WC makes it more interesting. Who wants to see a rehash of the Euro's.
https://salience.co.uk/insight/magazine/world-cup/
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 19, 2022, 05:43:44 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 19, 2022, 05:08:12 PM
Always thought the same. Having representation from all corners of the world is more important than having the best teams there.
Yes, getting to see teams from different continents play each other makes the WC makes it more interesting. Who wants to see a rehash of the Euro's.
I think it is about getting the balance right between having the best teams and having representation from all over the globe. I personally would go more towards having the best European teams there.
FIFAs sponsors probably want China and India in the tournament because of their populations.
Benzema out
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 19, 2022, 05:43:44 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 19, 2022, 05:08:12 PM
Always thought the same. Having representation from all corners of the world is more important than having the best teams there.
Yes, getting to see teams from different continents play each other makes the WC makes it more interesting. Who wants to see a rehash of the Euro's.
My attempt at sarcasm didn't get through. If the 32 best teams in the world are from Europe, then that's what the World Cup should be. It shouldn't be about representation.
It's not possible to ascertain where the best 32 countries in the world come from, at any given time, unless there's an ongoing competitive worldwide "league" taking place. Which let's be honest, nobody wants to see.
And even if that was to happen, what difference would it really make to the outcome of the tournament? Ultimately, 9 times out 10, the only potential winners are those that have won it before. They just have more of what it takes; the culture, the pedigree, the population, the talent.
if the world cup was a straight forward knockout like the fa cup with maybe the last 16 onwards played in a host country it be kinda of fun imagine ireland having to travel to samoa or somwhere to play a 1st round game.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 19, 2022, 11:12:12 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 19, 2022, 12:10:28 AM
They a poor team, not win a game think but this hot weather, its hard to tell, only European teams I think do well is, Portugal or Spain where the weather is hot.
It will be the usual 6 European teams and Argentina and Brazil in the QF you may get one other team instead. It makes a mockery of the WC every time they keep expanding the tournament, more pub teams get in. It is getting expanded to 48 soon and only about 15 euro positions - a joke. They should get about 25 based on rankings. I have said it before world qualifying would allow the best teams to actually qualify instead of the current farce.
The numbers might suggest that expansion has been good for non-traditional nations.
In the six tournaments since going to 32 teams we've had
9 non-Euro/Bra/Arg representatives in the last 8.
In the six tournaments prior to going to 32 teams we had
3 non-Euro/Bra/Arg representatives in the last 8/12.
So more involvement = more success for the 'pub' teams. Which is a good thing. The World Cup is more interesting when it is a
world cup.
But Europe does seem to be getting a raw deal in the expansion to 48. Should probably be looking at ~19 qualifiers instead of the 16 slated, if the current shares were carried through. Africa and Asia do very well - a cynic might say this is Infantino and the lads shoring up their base, with perhaps an aspiration for more regular Chinese involvement.
I don't think this situation will persist though, it's too daft. The repechage tournament for the final two spots in 2026 looks like it will be particularly ridiculous. The 7th and 8th best teams from North/Central America, the 10th best team from Africa, the 9th best team from Asia, the 7th best team from South America, and the 2nd best group of islands in the Pacific. So, if this was in place for 2022, we'd see El Salvador, Honduras, Syria, DR Congo, Chile, and the mighty Solomon Islands fighting for two qualifying places. While half a dozen or more good European teams will have already been told to try again next time.
china and india still wouldnt have qualified this year if there was 48 teams but they probably want to mskr it easier for them
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 19, 2022, 10:43:20 PM
Benzema out
What did he do this time?
Extortion, blackmail?????
https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status/1594225685303738368
Morgan Freeman has taken the Buck! ???
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on November 20, 2022, 01:33:30 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 19, 2022, 11:12:12 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 19, 2022, 12:10:28 AM
They a poor team, not win a game think but this hot weather, its hard to tell, only European teams I think do well is, Portugal or Spain where the weather is hot.
It will be the usual 6 European teams and Argentina and Brazil in the QF you may get one other team instead. It makes a mockery of the WC every time they keep expanding the tournament, more pub teams get in. It is getting expanded to 48 soon and only about 15 euro positions - a joke. They should get about 25 based on rankings. I have said it before world qualifying would allow the best teams to actually qualify instead of the current farce.
The numbers might suggest that expansion has been good for non-traditional nations.
In the six tournaments since going to 32 teams we've had 9 non-Euro/Bra/Arg representatives in the last 8.
In the six tournaments prior to going to 32 teams we had 3 non-Euro/Bra/Arg representatives in the last 8/12.
So more involvement = more success for the 'pub' teams. Which is a good thing. The World Cup is more interesting when it is a world cup.
But Europe does seem to be getting a raw deal in the expansion to 48. Should probably be looking at ~19 qualifiers instead of the 16 slated, if the current shares were carried through. Africa and Asia do very well - a cynic might say this is Infantino and the lads shoring up their base, with perhaps an aspiration for more regular Chinese involvement.
I don't think this situation will persist though, it's too daft. The repechage tournament for the final two spots in 2026 looks like it will be particularly ridiculous. The 7th and 8th best teams from North/Central America, the 10th best team from Africa, the 9th best team from Asia, the 7th best team from South America, and the 2nd best group of islands in the Pacific. So, if this was in place for 2022, we'd see El Salvador, Honduras, Syria, DR Congo, Chile, and the mighty Solomon Islands fighting for two qualifying places. While half a dozen or more good European teams will have already been told to try again next time.
When you describe the Solomon Islands as "mighty", and half a dozen European teams as "good", all I'm thinking is that you'd be happy enough with any World Cup format, as long as Ireland get there. That they would have no more impact on the tournament (currently) than the Solomon Islands doesn't seem important.
It's not about Ireland, although they should certainly have an easier chance of qualifying for the 48 team world cup than they will. You only have to see a team like Italy not being there and some of the muck that is there and that is with only 32 teams and realise there is a big problem.
From my years on this site and judging by how liberal most opinions are here I'm sure 95%+ cannot be watching this competition hosted by country that bans homosexuality and treats women and minorities like dirt ? I for one will not be watching who's with me ? time to make a stand against this type of regime.
And the history of sport is full of scenarios in which some of the best competitors get knocked out before the competition gets serious.
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Btw I do think that any former winners of the WC should automatically qualify.
Problem is that same countries would then complain that they don't have competitive football for two years in the lead up to a WC. Which, if implemented, means there's always a chance some won't qualify.
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Sport isn't fair. It's not perfect.
If it was either, it would be no fun to watch.
Quote from: Gmac on November 20, 2022, 03:18:23 PM
From my years on this site and judging by how liberal most opinions are here I'm sure 95%+ cannot be watching this competition hosted by country that bans homosexuality and treats women and minorities like dirt ? I for one will not be watching who's with me ? time to make a stand against this type of regime.
I'll be watching it once the hurling is over....
Are you saying by watching it you are happy with how this country runs it's affairs?
You'd be leaving the states if you had high standards but I doubt you do
We wouldn't watch most sports nowadays if we applied your logic, but something tells me you're acting the dick
Take that qatar ;D
Ffs they have paid the refs too
No goal!
This World Cup is gonna be great craic!
Var man must have got s nice bung there
The Corruption continues.................................
Ah here.
Here, just hand Qatar the trophy now
That was laughable ::)
I am watching with Spanish commentary, what was the goal disallowed for?
Quote from: dec on November 20, 2022, 04:11:41 PM
I am watching with Spanish commentary, what was the goal disallowed for?
Nobody knows! George Hamilton very confused !
Quote from: dec on November 20, 2022, 04:11:41 PM
I am watching with Spanish commentary, what was the goal disallowed for?
Offside.... apparently.
Oh dear
Quote from: dec on November 20, 2022, 04:11:41 PM
I am watching with Spanish commentary, what was the goal disallowed for?
It was disallowed because it was against qatar ;D
That keeper is a dud. Could see Donnaurama in disguise playing for them next day!
That penalty was offside!
This goalkeeper wouldn't get a game in the Mid Ulster league.
Did I hear Richie Sadlier in studio make Qatar a dark horse. If Var disallowed every goal against then, they still wouldn't win.
Should have been first hat-trick but he'll get it yet.
Or maybe not, should take Valencia off before one of those brute challenges ends his World Cup.
I regret picking them for my pool 8 now
Unlike Russian World Cup, not one camera shot yet of a hot babe.
Quote from: weareros on November 20, 2022, 05:32:08 PM
Unlike Russian World Cup, not one camera shot yet of a hot babe.
Spotted two tasty Ecuadorian dolls earlier
Quote from: weareros on November 20, 2022, 05:32:08 PM
Unlike Russian World Cup, not one camera shot yet of a hot babe.
The Qatari woman I spotted had lovely eyes. That's all I could see of her to be fair
Some meaty Challenges, but still, some lads get a touch and go down as if they shot. Wonder how many could cut it at Gaelic football.
The only decent lower ranked host team to make a go of it was South Korea and they got plenty dodgy decisions at the time.
Sooner these group games are over the better
That was so bad I nearly watched yesterday's rugby match.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 20, 2022, 05:48:53 PM
Some meaty Challenges, but still, some lads get a touch and go down as if they shot. Wonder how many could cut it at Gaelic football.
Sure there have been Gaelic Footballers who fall like they've been shot when someone ruffled their hair...
When the game was won at 2-0 Ecuador were more interested in not getting anymore knocks, Yellows and not huffing the host nation.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiBxIJYWIAEL-ol?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: laoislad on November 20, 2022, 06:09:51 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 20, 2022, 05:48:53 PM
Some meaty Challenges, but still, some lads get a touch and go down as if they shot. Wonder how many could cut it at Gaelic football.
Sure there have been Gaelic Footballers who fall like they've been shot when someone ruffled their hair...
And it made the headlines, in soccer it's part of the culture now unfortunately
Quote from: JoG2 on November 20, 2022, 07:37:36 PM
Quote from: laoislad on November 20, 2022, 06:09:51 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 20, 2022, 05:48:53 PM
Some meaty Challenges, but still, some lads get a touch and go down as if they shot. Wonder how many could cut it at Gaelic football.
Sure there have been Gaelic Footballers who fall like they've been shot when someone ruffled their hair...
And it made the headlines, in soccer it's part of the culture now unfortunately
It's part of GAA now. See it every game.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 20, 2022, 05:48:53 PM
Some meaty Challenges, but still, some lads get a touch and go down as if they shot. Wonder how many could cut it at Gaelic football.
Sure there have been Gaelic Footballers who fall like they've been shot when someone ruffled their hair...
And it made the headlines, in soccer it's part of the culture now unfortunately
It's part of GAA now. See it every game.
Been part of it for a long time at this stage.
Quote from: JoG2 on November 20, 2022, 07:37:36 PM
Quote from: laoislad on November 20, 2022, 06:09:51 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 20, 2022, 05:48:53 PM
Some meaty Challenges, but still, some lads get a touch and go down as if they shot. Wonder how many could cut it at Gaelic football.
Sure there have been Gaelic Footballers who fall like they've been shot when someone ruffled their hair...
And it made the headlines, in soccer it's part of the culture now unfortunately
That particular dive/simulation would still make headlines in either sport. Still the worst piece of cheating I've seen on a GAA pitch
If a ref falls for diving then it's fucked
Can someone please tell me why Ecuador had that goal ruled out?
I've watched it numerous times and I still can't work it out. Commentators didn't question it . So am I just thick or was it the decision correct?
Learn some new about the off side rule today, actually need read the rule book, nearly as hard as keeping up with gaa rule book.
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 20, 2022, 11:28:54 PM
Can someone please tell me why Ecuador had that goal ruled out?
I've watched it numerous times and I still can't work it out. Commentators didn't question it . So am I just thick or was it the decision correct?
Needs to be two defenders between the attacker and the goal line. Usually one is goalie but in this instance the Qatar keeper had went on a sortie so the defender became the last man.
European teams back down on wearing "One Love" armband. Fairly embarrassing. It seems the threat of a yellow card is enough to kick human rights into touch.
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 21, 2022, 11:39:33 AM
European teams back down on wearing "One Love" armband. Fairly embarrassing. It seems the threat of a yellow card is enough to kick human rights into touch.
Should all play in drag outfits and wear make up for the craic
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 21, 2022, 11:39:33 AM
European teams back down on wearing "One Love" armband. Fairly embarrassing. It seems the threat of a yellow card is enough to kick human rights into touch.
Just the latest in a long line of climb downs over this world cup.
Get it played and out of the way and move on.
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 21, 2022, 11:39:33 AM
European teams back down on wearing "One Love" armband. Fairly embarrassing. It seems the threat of a yellow card is enough to kick human rights into touch.
Was always gonna happen.
when your invited to spend time in your hosts home, respect their culture or respectful decline. They are entitled to their culture based on their religious values as we are to ours.
Quote from: Man Marker on November 21, 2022, 12:14:02 PM
when your invited to spend time in your hosts home, respect their culture or respectful decline. They are entitled to their culture based on their religious values as we are to ours.
Yeah but if you are part of the corporate set that changes things, then you can do as you like.
Price of the tickets seem to change the value of their values.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 21, 2022, 12:16:32 PM
England team to take the knee. Are the Qataris racist against black people?
Taking the knee doesn't mean anything anymore, it's become like the players shaking hands before the game.
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 21, 2022, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 21, 2022, 12:16:32 PM
England team to take the knee. Are the Qataris racist against black people?
Taking the knee doesn't mean anything anymore, it's become like the players shaking hands before the game.
It's ridiculous
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 21, 2022, 12:20:24 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 21, 2022, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 21, 2022, 12:16:32 PM
England team to take the knee. Are the Qataris racist against black people?
Taking the knee doesn't mean anything anymore, it's become like the players shaking hands before the game.
It's ridiculous
Pointless at this stage. Lost all significance.
Good to see Alex Scott.... wearing the armband that Kane won't be wearing!!
Agreed
Can't believe they gave in
If any of them cared one bit about gay rights or womens right or workers or whatever else they'd completely boycott the world cup. Money talks and bullshit walks.
Of course they don't care. The second it looked like they actually would get yellow cards for it they all folded like a house of cards.
Maguire starts for England.
Huge numbers of England fans still not in. Big queues outside. Are the French police running security in Qatar?
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 21, 2022, 12:49:22 PM
Huge numbers of England fans still not in. Big queues outside. Are the French police running security in Qatar?
It's the fifa app apparently and the tickets, not the police.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 21, 2022, 12:49:22 PM
Huge numbers of England fans still not in. Big queues outside. Are the French police running security in Qatar?
Probably Liverpool fans...
Declan Rice seems to put extra effort into singing the Anthem
The ref has sent off ten players in last 9 games! Should be fun
Quote from: trailer on November 21, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 20, 2022, 11:28:54 PM
Can someone please tell me why Ecuador had that goal ruled out?
I've watched it numerous times and I still can't work it out. Commentators didn't question it . So am I just thick or was it the decision correct?
Needs to be two defenders between the attacker and the goal line. Usually one is goalie but in this instance the Qatar keeper had went on a sortie so the defender became the last man.
Eh? When did this become a thing?
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 21, 2022, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 21, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 20, 2022, 11:28:54 PM
Can someone please tell me why Ecuador had that goal ruled out?
I've watched it numerous times and I still can't work it out. Commentators didn't question it . So am I just thick or was it the decision correct?
Needs to be two defenders between the attacker and the goal line. Usually one is goalie but in this instance the Qatar keeper had went on a sortie so the defender became the last man.
Eh? When did this become a thing?
Its always been a rule. Its just that 99.9% of the time the goalkeeper is one of the two defenders. Vaguely remember a premier league goal chalked off a few years ago for the very same thing after the keeper had come up in injury time for a corner and the defending team counter attacked.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 21, 2022, 12:33:14 PM
If any of them cared one bit about gay rights or womens right or workers or whatever else they'd completely boycott the world cup. Money talks and bullshit walks.
Yes and if anyone cared about Bangladesh people working for pennies a day , they'd boycott Primark/Penney's and stop buying Nike trainers.
But nobody does that , do they? Getting your T shirts for £2 is more important
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 21, 2022, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 21, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 20, 2022, 11:28:54 PM
Can someone please tell me why Ecuador had that goal ruled out?
I've watched it numerous times and I still can't work it out. Commentators didn't question it . So am I just thick or was it the decision correct?
Needs to be two defenders between the attacker and the goal line. Usually one is goalie but in this instance the Qatar keeper had went on a sortie so the defender became the last man.
Eh? When did this become a thing?
That's been the rule since about 1925!
Goal keeper should be gone!! The sub keeper must be rubbish
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2022, 01:17:42 PM
Goal keeper should be gone!! The sub keeper must be rubbish
That big hooter took some thump all the same.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 21, 2022, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2022, 01:17:42 PM
Goal keeper should be gone!! The sub keeper must be rubbish
That big hooter took some thump all the same.
It doubled in size after getting hit
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on November 19, 2022, 03:45:34 AM
Checking the schedule there and I see a game that I thought would get more attention:
Monday 21 Nov ENG v IRA
IRA looking cowardly against ENG thus far.
Goal from Liverpool's Bellingham....
Quote from: laoislad on November 21, 2022, 01:36:08 PM
Goal from Liverpool's Bellingham....
And then Liverpools Saka!
And ex-Liverpool sterling
It's coming home....
Best team ever seen. The pick of france and brazil wouldnt bate england.
Big declan singin loud and proud
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 21, 2022, 01:54:14 PM
Best team ever seen. The pick of france and brazil wouldnt bate england.
Big declan singin loud and proud
Well he was born in England and has spent his whole life in England so why wouldn't he?
How bad is Cambodia? They lost 10-0 to this Iran side recently.
Maguire lol
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 21, 2022, 02:19:50 PM
How bad is Cambodia? They lost 10-0 to this Iran side recently.
Pub team so Cambodia should probably get a direct bye next time at the expense of Spain ;D
Good goal there, Maguire nowhere
They've been awful but that was actually a good goal by Iran. Maguire caught out...that's a worry for Eng.
2 goals and a couple of other good chances for Iran. Other teams will exploit that English defense
I'm getting worried already :-[
England played well and were much the better team and should walk that group but Iran were very poor. On that display they wont worry the USA or Wales.
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 21, 2022, 03:23:32 PM
England played well and were much the better team and should walk that group but Iran were very poor. On that display they wont worry the USA or Wales.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 21, 2022, 03:20:09 PM
I'm getting worried already :-[
As long as Southgate doesn't work out that he should drop Maguire we're safe enough
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 21, 2022, 02:16:18 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 21, 2022, 01:54:14 PM
Best team ever seen. The pick of france and brazil wouldnt bate england.
Big declan singin loud and proud
Well he was born in England and has spent his whole life in England so why wouldn't he?
Ach its nothin. Just that time he played for Ireland
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 21, 2022, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 21, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 20, 2022, 11:28:54 PM
Can someone please tell me why Ecuador had that goal ruled out?
I've watched it numerous times and I still can't work it out. Commentators didn't question it . So am I just thick or was it the decision correct?
Needs to be two defenders between the attacker and the goal line. Usually one is goalie but in this instance the Qatar keeper had went on a sortie so the defender became the last man.
Eh? When did this become a thing?
Lol!
Quote from: trailer on November 21, 2022, 03:43:02 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 21, 2022, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 21, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 20, 2022, 11:28:54 PM
Can someone please tell me why Ecuador had that goal ruled out?
I've watched it numerous times and I still can't work it out. Commentators didn't question it . So am I just thick or was it the decision correct?
Needs to be two defenders between the attacker and the goal line. Usually one is goalie but in this instance the Qatar keeper had went on a sortie so the defender became the last man.
Eh? When did this become a thing?
Lol!
Man doesn't know if it's pumped or stuffed.
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 21, 2022, 01:07:37 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 21, 2022, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 21, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 20, 2022, 11:28:54 PM
Can someone please tell me why Ecuador had that goal ruled out?
I've watched it numerous times and I still can't work it out. Commentators didn't question it . So am I just thick or was it the decision correct?
Needs to be two defenders between the attacker and the goal line. Usually one is goalie but in this instance the Qatar keeper had went on a sortie so the defender became the last man.
Eh? When did this become a thing?
That's been the rule since about 1925!
It was the two defenders thing that threw me . Yes I know how the offside rule works , , but there was still no offside there
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 21, 2022, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 21, 2022, 01:07:37 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 21, 2022, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 21, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 20, 2022, 11:28:54 PM
Can someone please tell me why Ecuador had that goal ruled out?
I've watched it numerous times and I still can't work it out. Commentators didn't question it . So am I just thick or was it the decision correct?
Needs to be two defenders between the attacker and the goal line. Usually one is goalie but in this instance the Qatar keeper had went on a sortie so the defender became the last man.
Eh? When did this become a thing?
That's been the rule since about 1925!
It was the two defenders thing that threw me . Yes I know how the offside rule works , , but there was still no offside there
The boy who is standing beside the Qatar goalkeeper has his leg behind the keeper when he jumps up and punches it.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 21, 2022, 03:18:26 PM
2 goals and a couple of other good chances for Iran. Other teams will exploit that English defense
https://twitter.com/RTEsoccer/status/1594675589331312640
A tri colour with father jack on it behind the Senegal goals
US look the better team here. Playing nice sharp football.
Wales have brought some amount of fans. Definitely generating the best atmosphere of the tournament so far.
That goal was coming.
Wales still on the plane, dire stuff from them, very disappointing. It's funny how I want to see the Welsh footballers do well but when it comes to rugby I want to see them get thumped.
George Weah cub, Ireland and must missed a beat there.
Them English bollacks looking dangerous, got enough up front but Ole Harry let them down in a big game.
England looked good. They have brilliant attackers and will go far. Dunno how or why Iran got that penalty.
England's defence is their weakness.
Wales not too shabby in second half.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 21, 2022, 07:45:03 PM
Them English bollacks looking dangerous, got enough up front but Ole Harry let them down in a big game.
Not sure why Maguire went off, didn't see why either but reports saying blurred vision ( code for time to go)
Penalty for Wales. Bale scores. I wonder if Giggs is watching,
argentina look good ;D
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 22, 2022, 11:17:33 AM
argentina look good ;D
Well they did in the first half anyway!
Mad start to 2nd half here for the Saudis
SCENES
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I can't believe I believed the hype about this Argentina team
Tbh there are no real great stand out teams in this tournament. The more I see, the more I dread the unthinkable might happen
Messi takes his point
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 22, 2022, 11:43:47 AM
I can't believe I believed the hype about this Argentina team
Tbh there are no real great stand out teams in this tournament. The more I see, the more I dread the unthinkable might happen
Saudis look to be a big, fit outfit, well able to cover the sod, be interesting to see if they can keep this up!
Argentina really struggled with the high line. Loads of goals disallowed. Great strategy by the Saudis
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 22, 2022, 11:43:47 AM
I can't believe I believed the hype about this Argentina team
Tbh there are no real great stand out teams in this tournament. The more I see, the more I dread the unthinkable might happen
Yeah the unthinkable probably could happen. The biggest contender (Brazil) is like England full of great attackers but not much at the back. No teams look unbeatable
You would imagine that Argentina will score in Fergie time
This added time shit is ridiculous
Over 78 mins of injury time played so far in the WC. Day 3.
Unbelievable Jeff..
Can't understand why they change the rules coming into a world cup, the amount of added time in the few games we seen is ridiculous given it doesn't happen in premiership or champions league.
Messi going to flop at yet another world cup.
See the nxt time c somebody mentions Messi better than Maradona. Least he made 2 finals winning 1.
::) Yes it's all Messi's fault
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 22, 2022, 12:10:09 PM
See the nxt time c somebody mentions Messi better than Maradona. Least he made 2 finals winning 1.
At least he's up to 7 world cup goals in what.... 5 tournaments?
Jeez there's no one we can rely on to beat England!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 22, 2022, 12:13:47 PM
Jeez there's no one we can rely on to beat England!
Brazil still to play. That could well be the final assuming both teams win their group.
With only two per group, Argentina will need to win next two to emerge from that group. Tall order with Mexico and Poland to play. Their defense is still as bad as 4 years ago.
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 22, 2022, 11:43:47 AM
I can't believe I believed the hype about this Argentina team
that was their first loss in 37 matches
Early but Argentina looked brutal, might take a while for some teams to get going (if they get out of their group) most nations have only had a week or so together before the WC
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 22, 2022, 12:13:47 PM
Jeez there's no one we can rely on to beat England!
Brazil, France, Germany, Spain, Holland, Croatia, Denmark, Portugal, Uruguay. Surely someone from that lot will do the business.
Reckon Denmark could do really well, they were impressive at the last Euros and have Eriksen back.
Very messy
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 22, 2022, 12:19:19 PM
Early but Argentina looked brutal, might take a while for some teams to get going (if they get out of their group) most nations have only had a week or so together before the WC
Yeah thats bound to have an effect.
Argentina should still top the group
https://twitter.com/leerobson23/status/1595027206560157696?s=48&t=2vcb74UQQDyXFCcRom1tRA (https://twitter.com/leerobson23/status/1595027206560157696?s=48&t=2vcb74UQQDyXFCcRom1tRA)
:-X :-X :-X
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 22, 2022, 12:13:47 PM
Jeez there's no one we can rely on to beat England!
Argentina were on a good run and there'll always be Messi hype. However in reality South Amercian football isn't the strongest and it'll be shown at a world cup.
This WC will be decided by a mini Euro's at the end of the tournament, my prediction is four European semi finalists again, then it's a lottery from there.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 22, 2022, 12:15:01 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 22, 2022, 12:13:47 PM
Jeez there's no one we can rely on to beat England!
Brazil still to play. That could well be the final assuming both teams win their group.
You want England out long before the final
Their route will likely be Senegal or Ecuador , then probably France. But they have Benzema Pogba Kante out. I don't think France are any big shakes especially without those 3.
I can't enjoy a tournament until those backstards are out
I haven't seen those levels of fitness since Liverpool won the league.
Let's not get carried away. Saudi scored with both of their only 2 shots on target, they only had 3 shots in total.
Argentina had 3 goals disallowed and a shot cleared off the line. And 70% possession.
Saudi done great firing bodies in front of everything to hold out, but you'd think they outplayed Argentina the way some are going on.
The main point, as stated above by someone, there are no overall brilliant teams in the tournament. Hopefully someone can take England out sooner rather than later.
Quote from: Sportacus on November 22, 2022, 12:27:13 PM
I haven't seen those levels of fitness since Liverpool won the league.
Inhalers?
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 22, 2022, 12:13:47 PM
Jeez there's no one we can rely on to beat England!
Argentina were on a good run and there'll always be Messi hype. However in reality South Amercian football isn't the strongest and it'll be shown at a world cup.
This WC will be decided by a mini Euro's at the end of the tournament, my prediction is four European semi finalists again, then it's a lottery from there.
Brazil have a serious attack wouldn't bet against them. No one really stands out though and there are always shocks.
Manchester United have just bid €5 billion for entire Saudi squad.
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 22, 2022, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 22, 2022, 12:15:01 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 22, 2022, 12:13:47 PM
Jeez there's no one we can rely on to beat England!
Brazil still to play. That could well be the final assuming both teams win their group.
You want England out long before the final
Their route will likely be Senegal or Ecuador , then probably France. But they have Benzema Pogba Kante out. I don't think France are any big shakes especially without those 3.
I can't enjoy a tournament until those backstards are out
Why do you hate France ?
Quote from: seafoid on November 22, 2022, 12:32:05 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 22, 2022, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 22, 2022, 12:15:01 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 22, 2022, 12:13:47 PM
Jeez there's no one we can rely on to beat England!
Brazil still to play. That could well be the final assuming both teams win their group.
You want England out long before the final
Their route will likely be Senegal or Ecuador , then probably France. But they have Benzema Pogba Kante out. I don't think France are any big shakes especially without those 3.
I can't enjoy a tournament until those backstards are out
Why do you hate France ?
I'm talking about England.
Argentina haven't won the World Cup since 1986. It's a long time ago. Since then France have won 2
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 22, 2022, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 22, 2022, 12:13:47 PM
Jeez there's no one we can rely on to beat England!
Brazil, France, Germany, Spain, Holland, Croatia, Denmark, Portugal, Uruguay. Surely someone from that lot will do the business.
Reckon Denmark could do really well, they were impressive at the last Euros and have Eriksen back.
It's a shame that Norn Iron played their asses off to stop Italy from automatically qualifying because if the Italians were there I would trust them to sort England out.
Quote from: seafoid on November 22, 2022, 12:44:27 PM
Argentina haven't won the World Cup since 1986. It's a long time ago. Since then France have won 2
As have Brazil and Germany. Argentina are the perennial underachievers of the modern game.
Hope England win it
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 22, 2022, 12:49:18 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 22, 2022, 12:44:27 PM
Argentina haven't won the World Cup since 1986. It's a long time ago. Since then France have won 2
As have Brazil and Germany. Argentina are the perennial underachievers of the modern game.
Even Spain won. Younger readers may find it hard to believe that Spain were the perennial chokers of international tournaments until tiki taka.
Argentina lost 2 finals as well.
Great wee game so far
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Quote from: Gael80 on November 22, 2022, 12:24:57 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 22, 2022, 12:13:47 PM
Jeez there's no one we can rely on to beat England!
Argentina were on a good run and there'll always be Messi hype. However in reality South Amercian football isn't the strongest and it'll be shown at a world cup.
This WC will be decided by a mini Euro's at the end of the tournament, my prediction is four European semi finalists again, then it's a lottery from there.
Brazil have a serious attack wouldn't bet against them. No one really stands out though and there are always shocks.
Brazils attack isn't that great and is definitely not comparable to recent ones.
That's the kick up the backside the Argentinians need. Unbeaten to the final now.
Quote from: trailer on November 22, 2022, 03:12:28 PM
That's the kick up the backside the Argentinians need. Unbeaten to the final now.
Spain 2010 all over again
Bad news lads, I can see England making the final, they good enough team outside of a slow maguire. If they win it, we don't live far enough away and hear about it for the next 20yrs.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 22, 2022, 03:39:03 PM
Bad news lads, I can see England making the final, they good enough team outside of a slow maguire. If they win it, we don't live far enough away and hear about it for the next 20yrs.
If they win it then I'll be dead before the hype dies down if 66 is anything to go by
Argentina weren't that great when winning last years Copa America, stumbled over the line against Brazil in a low quality final and Colombia in the semi final on penalties in their last two matches yet it seems the hype they got from that trophy win has got to their heads.
Looks like England's World Cup to lose however with Southgate as manager they could be left disappointed again.
They won't win, for the same reason they backed down on their arm band protest. You either have guts or you haven't. They will eventually serve up a feeble performance like the Euro final against Italy. As always a few jammy decisions will go their way and insufferable bollockes like Piers Morgan will be tweeting it's coming home. It will prove great entertainment in the end with Grealish or 'Arry blasting a peno up to Row Z as a gang of Arab shieks scamper out of the way.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2022, 03:48:30 PM
Argentina weren't that great when winning last years Copa America, stumbled over the line against Brazil in a low quality final and Colombia in the semi final on penalties in their last two matches yet it seems the hype they got from that trophy win has got to their heads.
Looks like England's World Cup to lose however with Southgate as manager they could be left disappointed again.
Jesus chill out
Quote from: weareros on November 22, 2022, 03:54:00 PM
They won't win, for the same reason they backed down on their arm band protest. You either have guts or you haven't. They will eventually serve up a feeble performance like the Euro final against Italy. As always a few jammy decisions will go their way and insufferable bollockes like Piers Morgan will be tweeting it's coming home. It will prove great entertainment in the end with Grealish or 'Arry blasting a peno up to Row Z as a gang of Arab shieks scamper out of the way.
They're soccer players guts are few and far between and that goes for nearly all countries
I'm hoping as soon as they play anyone half decent Southgate will revert to type and have all his defensive midfielders on to cover his dodgy centre backs effectively putting a handbrake on the team and hopefully screwing up another great chance for them. Southgate is a spoofer and if they fail this time they will look back in years to come at 2018/20/22 tournaments as real missed chances
Mad isn't it.
Germany, Spain, France, Brazil - who between them have won 7 out of the last 8 world cups - haven't yet kicked a ball. Serious football teams like Portugal, Belgium, Uruguay haven't yet kicked a ball.
But here it's England's to lose.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2022, 04:03:36 PM
Mad isn't it.
Germany, Spain, France, Brazil - who between them have won 7 out of the last 8 world cups - haven't yet kicked a ball. Serious football teams like Portugal, Belgium, Uruguay haven't yet kicked a ball.
But here it's England's to lose.
If Germany, Spain, France, Brazil was near the quality that they were when winning those tournaments you might have a decent argument.
Portugal are nothing serious going by their recent matches against a very average Irish team.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2022, 04:10:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2022, 04:03:36 PM
Mad isn't it.
Germany, Spain, France, Brazil - who between them have won 7 out of the last 8 world cups - haven't yet kicked a ball. Serious football teams like Portugal, Belgium, Uruguay haven't yet kicked a ball.
But here it's England's to lose.
If Germany, Spain, France, Brazil was near the quality that they were when winning those tournaments you might have a decent argument.
Portugal are nothing serious going by their recent matches against a very average Irish team.
Let's wait and see sure
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2022, 04:10:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2022, 04:03:36 PM
Mad isn't it.
Germany, Spain, France, Brazil - who between them have won 7 out of the last 8 world cups - haven't yet kicked a ball. Serious football teams like Portugal, Belgium, Uruguay haven't yet kicked a ball.
But here it's England's to lose.
If Germany, Spain, France, Brazil was near the quality that they were when winning those tournaments you might have a decent argument.
Portugal are nothing serious going by their recent matches against a very average Irish team.
And England's form until running into a lower tier opponent yesterday, was shocking too.
First round form doesn't mean much. Senior hurling starts in the second round.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2022, 03:48:30 PM
Argentina weren't that great when winning last years Copa America, stumbled over the line against Brazil in a low quality final and Colombia in the semi final on penalties in their last two matches yet it seems the hype they got from that trophy win has got to their heads.
Looks like England's World Cup to lose however with Southgate as manager they could be left disappointed again.
Good man ;D
Covering all bases there, if England win it you were right, if they don't you can blame Southgate and still come back here and tell us all you were right !
Definite pen you can't have a hold of someone's shirt like that in the box!
The Mexican crowd sure enjoyed that penalty miss/save.
Quote from: screenexile on November 22, 2022, 05:15:07 PM
Definite pen you can't have a hold of someone's shirt like that in the box!
Clear peno, Ray Houghton still arguing it wasn't.
Jorge Campos keeping Mexico in the game
The Cantwell doesn't interrupt these soccer boys anywhere near as much as she does our GAA pundits.
She's almost bearable here.
Almost.
https://twitter.com/gombeen1/status/1595112542850125824?s=46&t=ULhz1tk-X2FxpyVTgppO2A (https://twitter.com/gombeen1/status/1595112542850125824?s=46&t=ULhz1tk-X2FxpyVTgppO2A)
World Cup/Tyrone club thread crossover meme.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2022, 06:19:31 PM
The Cantwell doesn't interrupt these soccer boys anywhere near as much as she does our GAA pundits.
She's almost bearable here.
Almost.
She doesn't know as much about soccer as she does about Gah.
I don't remember Michael Lyster doing soccer.
Liverpool's Mbappe with the 3rd goal.
Giroud gets the 4th. Mbappe cross
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2022, 04:25:02 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2022, 04:10:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2022, 04:03:36 PM
Mad isn't it.
Germany, Spain, France, Brazil - who between them have won 7 out of the last 8 world cups - haven't yet kicked a ball. Serious football teams like Portugal, Belgium, Uruguay haven't yet kicked a ball.
But here it's England's to lose.
If Germany, Spain, France, Brazil was near the quality that they were when winning those tournaments you might have a decent argument.
Portugal are nothing serious going by their recent matches against a very average Irish team.
And England's form until running into a lower tier opponent yesterday, was shocking too.
Iran are 20th in the world.
Yeah but world rankings currently need a context (they always do, but more so again since Covid). They were 37th ranked going into the last World Cup, and haven't played a European team since then... until they met England
Doesn't interurpt as she knows damn all about soccer, so best say nothing.
Some complaining about the time added during the games lately, Keith Hackett saying the ref's are just making it up!!
But on average in the PL they play only 55 minutes of actual football, and Hackett on saying that players will become fatigued and that will either cause injuries or mistimed tackles, if they are actually only running around for 55 minutes they shouldn't really be tired!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 09:21:37 AM
Some complaining about the time added during the games lately, Keith Hackett saying the ref's are just making it up!!
But on average in the PL they play only 55 minutes of actual football, and Hackett on saying that players will become fatigued and that will either cause injuries or mistimed tackles, if they are actually only running around for 55 minutes they shouldn't really be tired!
Would love to see how much time the ball is actually in play in a football/hurling match as well just to compare.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 09:21:37 AM
Some complaining about the time added during the games lately, Keith Hackett saying the ref's are just making it up!!
But on average in the PL they play only 55 minutes of actual football, and Hackett on saying that players will become fatigued and that will either cause injuries or mistimed tackles, if they are actually only running around for 55 minutes they shouldn't really be tired!
The time that should be added never gets added. If it did be there all day but it also might nip the time wasting in the bud.
if the right amount of time were added I think your club might have 2 AIs for you got beat by a point in a game that was one of the biggest displays of time wasting I've ever seen!
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 09:21:37 AM
Some complaining about the time added during the games lately, Keith Hackett saying the ref's are just making it up!!
But on average in the PL they play only 55 minutes of actual football, and Hackett on saying that players will become fatigued and that will either cause injuries or mistimed tackles, if they are actually only running around for 55 minutes they shouldn't really be tired!
The time that should be added never gets added. If it did be there all day but it also might nip the time wasting in the bud.
if the right amount of time were added I think your club might have 2 AIs for you got beat by a point in a game that was one of the biggest displays of time wasting I've ever seen!
Aye it's a curse TBH, but I feel the ref's should be stopping their watches like they do in Rugby, its simple enough to employ at these grounds, one less duty for them to worry about and taken out of their hands.
I've two people doing clock duty with me at games, I raise my hand and visually show me stopping the watch, and do it again when play resumes, they'll remind me also to restart my watch just in case, when my watch is in the 30th minute that's time up, on the big clock at the pitch that could be saying 36.40 minutes though, If there was no taking the piss the game would end on 30 minutes each half.
Adding time on is just another futile attempt to make football "perfect" which will inevitably lead to lore problems than it solves.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 09:41:04 AM
Adding time on is just another futile attempt to make football "perfect" which will inevitably lead to lore problems than it solves.
So don't add time on?
Quote from: laoislad on November 22, 2022, 08:31:26 PM
Liverpool's Mbappe with the 3rd goal.
Liverpools Konate (a very decent player) is fit, that's the biggest surprise.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 09:47:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 09:41:04 AM
Adding time on is just another futile attempt to make football "perfect" which will inevitably lead to lore problems than it solves.
So don't add time on?
Not so much that, so much as just don't try to pretend that injuries and stoppages aren't part of a football match. The halves are longer (at 45 mins) than any other sport for a reason: it allows for the ball not being in play.
Obviously an unusually long stoppage needs to be catered for. And a few extra minutes here and there for shithousery seems fair. But whacking back on 10 mins over 45 mins in a normal game of football? No f**k that. No need.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 10:32:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 09:47:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 09:41:04 AM
Adding time on is just another futile attempt to make football "perfect" which will inevitably lead to lore problems than it solves.
So don't add time on?
Not so much that, so much as just don't try to pretend that injuries and stoppages aren't part of a football match. The halves are longer (at 45 mins) than any other sport for a reason: it allows for the ball not being in play.
Obviously an unusually long stoppage needs to be catered for. And a few extra minutes here and there for shithousery seems fair. But whacking back on 10 mins over 45 mins in a normal game of football? No f**k that. No need.
Yeah, somewhere in between, ball out of play that's part of the game providing there isn't someone taking the piss on that side of things, can't imagine too many games when Celtic play that there is much stoppages with how they speed things up for sidelines and so on
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 10:32:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 09:47:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 09:41:04 AM
Adding time on is just another futile attempt to make football "perfect" which will inevitably lead to lore problems than it solves.
So don't add time on?
Not so much that, so much as just don't try to pretend that injuries and stoppages aren't part of a football match. The halves are longer (at 45 mins) than any other sport for a reason: it allows for the ball not being in play.
Obviously an unusually long stoppage needs to be catered for. And a few extra minutes here and there for shithousery seems fair. But whacking back on 10 mins over 45 mins in a normal game of football? No f**k that. No need.
The direction given to refs is around 30sec per substitution but up to the ref's judgement too. With the possibility of 10 subs per match, you could have around 5 mins added time before injuries etc. are taken into account.
Most of the games where there was extra long stoppage time also had players down for head injuries too. Those were easily 3/4 min stoppages.
Quote from: thebigfella on November 23, 2022, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 10:32:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2022, 09:47:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 09:41:04 AM
Adding time on is just another futile attempt to make football "perfect" which will inevitably lead to lore problems than it solves.
So don't add time on?
Not so much that, so much as just don't try to pretend that injuries and stoppages aren't part of a football match. The halves are longer (at 45 mins) than any other sport for a reason: it allows for the ball not being in play.
Obviously an unusually long stoppage needs to be catered for. And a few extra minutes here and there for shithousery seems fair. But whacking back on 10 mins over 45 mins in a normal game of football? No f**k that. No need.
The direction given to refs is around 30sec per substitution but up to the ref's judgement too. With the possibility of 10 subs per match, you could have around 5 mins added time before injuries etc. are taken into account.
Most of the games where there was extra long stoppage time also had players down for head injuries too. Those were easily 3/4 min stoppages.
Is that not changed now that there are only 3 substitution windows allowed?
Anyhow some context why football isn't "perfect" and trying to achieve that state, causes more problems than it solves.
Watching Spurs recently. Can't remember which game, but it was about 7-8 minutes to go and Spurs are trailing by a goal. A Spurs attacker gets cleaned out 25m from goal.
As is the "football way", he rolled around for 30 secs to see if he could influence a booking. Then he spent at least a minute with the physio, to prove to everyone how hurt he was. It's only after he's up in his feet that the referee gets things going again, and the opposition start setting up their wall. The really odd thing is that it's only then that Spurs' dead ball specialists gather together to decide who's hitting it. Then there's 30 seconds of the anointed one placing the ball, taking the required number of steps, and a completely unnecessary number of deep breaths.
——
Anyone who follows Spurs knows that they score about one direct free kick every three seasons.
Yet the team still spent over half the remaining time on this "chance". When if they had even a titter of wit, they'd have as quickly as possible used this opportunity to try to force a corner (which Spurs are good at).
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This isn't a story about Spurs. It's a story about football.
Every team wastes their own time, both knowingly and unknowingly, throughout a match.
Adding on a bundle more time isn't a solution. It's just another stick to beat the referee with.
Germany just about hanging on here.
Quote from: weareros on November 23, 2022, 02:40:05 PM
Germany just about hanging on here.
Down 2-1 now. It was coming.
Quote from: weareros on November 23, 2022, 02:40:05 PM
Germany just about hanging on here.
Was doing a bit of work, watched a bit and it was 2-0? flicked on now and its 2-1 Japan !!
Wow
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Quote from: weareros on November 23, 2022, 02:40:05 PM
Germany just about hanging on here.
Was doing a bit of work, watched a bit and it was 2-0? flicked on now and its 2-1 Japan !!
Don't kid a kidder MR2
So far the majority of the games seem to be boring as watching paint dry nil nils and David taking down Goliath
Japan would have always been a fairly decent side would they not? And Germany not the team they were as seen by England beating them at the euros. Still a surprise but not a massive shock.
Early days yet of course
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Germany a bit like Argentina paid the price for not converting dominance into goals. Having said that, Germany look an average enough side, they've no decent strikers. They're up shit creek now with Spain in that group.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 23, 2022, 03:53:07 PM
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Did the Germans get a premonition about the final score?
Spain looking good, a shame for them England already have it won according to the experts on here.
Germany will have to beat spain then hope other teams do them favours may even come to goal difference so germany may have to try and get a lot of goals against costa rica.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 23, 2022, 05:48:02 PM
Germany will have to beat spain then hope other teams do them favours may even come to goal difference so germany may have to try and get a lot of goals against costa rica.
if they beat Spain and other games go as expected then it'll go down to goal difference if Japan, Spain and ze Germans all have 2 wins each.
three teams with 6 points it could be.
The group of death really is going to be the group of death.
Were Canada done out of a 2nd penalty shortly after the first?
Quote from: clarshack on November 23, 2022, 07:31:40 PM
Were Canada done out of a 2nd penalty shortly after the first?
Think it was offside
It wasn't offside as the defender played the ball back, not a Canadian player. Thought it was a pen myself but slow mo showed a touch from the defender before he nicked the striker
Belgium's defence will hold them back.
Can't believe Aldeweireld and Vertonghen are still at the back crazy.
Offaly jersey in the background for the replay of Belgium handball.
If Canada had a striker they'd have won that.
So good until the final third and while the quality of their defending wasn't great you couldn't fault them for effort. Disappointing for them but if they can keep playing like that they have a chance to qualify.
Hard to qualify if you can't score. On today's evidence, I'd be a bit surprised if they get a goal, despite playing some very nice ball elsewhere on the pitch.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 23, 2022, 10:51:36 PM
Hard to qualify if you can't score. On today's evidence, I'd be a bit surprised if they get a goal, despite playing some very nice ball elsewhere on the pitch.
You must have been watching it on a different pitch from me. What I saw was akin to an early under 14 match interspersed with lads who primarily played GAA. Ball being hoofed around and no real skill or panache. An absolutely dreadful game.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 23, 2022, 10:51:36 PM
Hard to qualify if you can't score. On today's evidence, I'd be a bit surprised if they get a goal, despite playing some very nice ball elsewhere on the pitch.
At least our midfielders can score
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Did the Germans get a premonition about the final score?
when you pull a stunt like that you have to make bloody sure you win the game or else you look foolish.
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Did the Germans get a premonition about the final score?
when you pull a stunt like that you have to make bloody sure you win the game or else you look foolish.
if they were more worried about football than politics they'd be some team
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Did the Germans get a premonition about the final score?
when you pull a stunt like that you have to make bloody sure you win the game or else you look foolish.
if they were more worried about football than politics they'd be some team
Merely reflecting the mood of the German population at home, massive boycotts and ill feeling about the World Cup in general.
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Did the Germans get a premonition about the final score?
when you pull a stunt like that you have to make bloody sure you win the game or else you look foolish.
The Iranian team pulled a similar stuff with the national anthem and don't look foolish ::)
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Did the Germans get a premonition about the final score?
when you pull a stunt like that you have to make bloody sure you win the game or else you look foolish.
if they were more worried about football than politics they'd be some team
Merely reflecting the mood of the German population at home, massive boycotts and ill feeling about the World Cup in general.
Clowns. Same as Keane and the rest. If you care that much stay at home.
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Did the Germans get a premonition about the final score?
when you pull a stunt like that you have to make bloody sure you win the game or else you look foolish.
The Iranian team pulled a similar stuff with the national anthem and don't look foolish ::)
Different issue. And who expected them to win anyway lol
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The Iranian team pulled a similar stuff with the national anthem and don't look foolish ::)
Different issue. And who expected them to win anyway lol
Exactly!
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Did the Germans get a premonition about the final score?
when you pull a stunt like that you have to make bloody sure you win the game or else you look foolish.
if they were more worried about football than politics they'd be some team
Merely reflecting the mood of the German population at home, massive boycotts and ill feeling about the World Cup in general.
Yet they've still travelled in their thousands.
Still early days but Belgium won't stop many good teams with that defence. Apparently De Bruyne got man of the match? I thought he was brutal.
Spain were sensational but they were playing The Dog & Duck.
Will be interesting to see what Brazil have.
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 24, 2022, 01:13:45 PM
Still early days but Belgium won't stop many good teams with that defence. Apparently De Bruyne got man of the match? I thought he was brutal.
Spain were sensational but they were playing The Dog & Duck.
Will be interesting to see what Brazil have.
He more or less came out and said he shouldn't have got it. France defence looked ropey against the Aussies at times as well. Looking forward to seeing Spain against a half decent team.
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Still early days but Belgium won't stop many good teams with that defence. Apparently De Bruyne got man of the match? I thought he was brutal.
Spain were sensational but they were playing The Dog & Duck.
Will be interesting to see what Brazil have.
He more or less came out and said he shouldn't have got it. France defence looked ropey against the Aussies at times as well. Looking forward to seeing Spain against a half decent team.
These are the best teams in the world, Costa Rica are 31st, so to use The Republic as a team ranked 49th for example, would Spain have knocked in 10 past the Irish team? Iran were 20th btw
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Still early days but Belgium won't stop many good teams with that defence. Apparently De Bruyne got man of the match? I thought he was brutal.
Spain were sensational but they were playing The Dog & Duck.
Will be interesting to see what Brazil have.
He more or less came out and said he shouldn't have got it. France defence looked ropey against the Aussies at times as well. Looking forward to seeing Spain against a half decent team.
Same, a chance for them to send Germany home on Sunday, not the best German side but I'm sure Spain and a few other teams would be glad to see them out of the competition early.
South Korea are playing well and missed a golden chance to go one up!
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Still early days but Belgium won't stop many good teams with that defence. Apparently De Bruyne got man of the match? I thought he was brutal.
Spain were sensational but they were playing The Dog & Duck.
Will be interesting to see what Brazil have.
He more or less came out and said he shouldn't have got it. France defence looked ropey against the Aussies at times as well. Looking forward to seeing Spain against a half decent team.
Same, a chance for them to send Germany home on Sunday, not the best German side but I'm sure Spain and a few other teams would be glad to see them out of the competition early.
Probably not England though as they're the only big team they've beaten in years!
The pattern so far seems to be the young super fit teams are running/pressing the older teams off the pitch. Canada run Belgium off the park. Iran all over Argentina. Etc. the last 16 looks like it will have a few teams who we haven't been paying attention to.
Uruguay (2010) and Belgium (2018) both got to the semi finals previously but haven't had many personnel changes
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The pattern so far seems to be the young super fit teams are running/pressing the older teams off the pitch. Canada run Belgium off the park. Iran all over Argentina. Etc. the last 16 looks like it will have a few teams who we haven't been paying attention to.
That's the concern, which would make it easier for England to 'slippy tit' it into the final
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Still early days but Belgium won't stop many good teams with that defence. Apparently De Bruyne got man of the match? I thought he was brutal.
Spain were sensational but they were playing The Dog & Duck.
Will be interesting to see what Brazil have.
He more or less came out and said he shouldn't have got it. France defence looked ropey against the Aussies at times as well. Looking forward to seeing Spain against a half decent team.
These are the best teams in the world, Costa Rica are 31st, so to use The Republic as a team ranked 49th for example, would Spain have knocked in 10 past the Irish team? Iran were 20th btw
Rankings are flawed. Teams are rarely playing other teams from outside their own confederation. How can we accurately rank Iran when they've been mostly playing Lebanon, Syria, Bahrain, Cambodia? Not Iran's fault of course. But they would have little chance of qualifying from UEFA.
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Still early days but Belgium won't stop many good teams with that defence. Apparently De Bruyne got man of the match? I thought he was brutal.
Spain were sensational but they were playing The Dog & Duck.
Will be interesting to see what Brazil have.
He more or less came out and said he shouldn't have got it. France defence looked ropey against the Aussies at times as well. Looking forward to seeing Spain against a half decent team.
These are the best teams in the world, Costa Rica are 31st, so to use The Republic as a team ranked 49th for example, would Spain have knocked in 10 past the Irish team? Iran were 20th btw
Rankings are flawed. Teams are rarely playing other teams from outside their own confederation. How can we accurately rank Iran when they've been mostly playing Lebanon, Syria, Bahrain, Cambodia? Not Iran's fault of course. But they would have little chance of qualifying from UEFA.
Theres no way any of those teams are anywhere near as good as Italy. Whole qualifying system is flawed. Ireland as bad as they are would be on similar level to these.
Also any system that has that bang average Belgian team at or near the top for a good few years now has to be questioned.
Its why FIFA have it so wrong, they should in all fairness pop into the GAABOARD and get the low down on things from Joe Soap and rearrange the way they rank teams!!
Are we looking an open qualification system worldwide? Would be great, travel wise though a nightmare but sure if it sorts out the rankings
Some bad games the last couple of days
This Portugal Ghana game following suit
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Still early days but Belgium won't stop many good teams with that defence. Apparently De Bruyne got man of the match? I thought he was brutal.
Spain were sensational but they were playing The Dog & Duck.
Will be interesting to see what Brazil have.
He more or less came out and said he shouldn't have got it. France defence looked ropey against the Aussies at times as well. Looking forward to seeing Spain against a half decent team.
These are the best teams in the world, Costa Rica are 31st, so to use The Republic as a team ranked 49th for example, would Spain have knocked in 10 past the Irish team? Iran were 20th btw
Rankings are flawed. Teams are rarely playing other teams from outside their own confederation. How can we accurately rank Iran when they've been mostly playing Lebanon, Syria, Bahrain, Cambodia? Not Iran's fault of course. But they would have little chance of qualifying from UEFA.
It's a bit like the Ulster Football Championship
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Its why FIFA have it so wrong, they should in all fairness pop into the GAABOARD and get the low down on things from Joe Soap and rearrange the way they rank teams!!
Are we looking an open qualification system worldwide? Would be great, travel wise though a nightmare but sure if it sorts out the rankings
It's due to covid restricting the amount teams were playing teams from outside their own confederation- Iran would be fairly strong in theirs hence their inflated ranking but would be no be nowhere near the level of a decent European team. Of course you already knew that and decided to be a smart arse anyway lol.
Seen an FA cup style knockout tournament with every country involved mentioned somewhere, would never happen though but would be interesting!
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Its why FIFA have it so wrong, they should in all fairness pop into the GAABOARD and get the low down on things from Joe Soap and rearrange the way they rank teams!!
Are we looking an open qualification system worldwide? Would be great, travel wise though a nightmare but sure if it sorts out the rankings
It's due to covid restricting the amount teams were playing teams from outside their own confederation- Iran would be fairly strong in theirs hence their inflated ranking but would be no be nowhere near the level of a decent European team. Of course you already knew that and decided to be a smart arse anyway lol.
Seen an FA cup style knockout tournament with every country involved mentioned somewhere, would never happen though but would be interesting!
Not just Covid. Also Nations League , which means UEFA nations no longer playing many friendlies.
32 teams is another problem. There were 24 in 1982
It's the Super 8s thing. There weren't 8 Super teams and there aren't 32 decent teams to play the World Cup wither
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32 teams is another problem. There were 24 in 1982
It's the Super 8s thing. There weren't 8 Super teams and there aren't 32 decent teams to play the World Cup wither
48 next time. Just 16 (I think) from UEFA though.
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32 teams is another problem. There were 24 in 1982
It's the Super 8s thing. There weren't 8 Super teams and there aren't 32 decent teams to play the World Cup wither
48 next time. Just 16 (I think) from UEFA though.
How many from UEFA this time?
good for those betting on unders
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32 teams is another problem. There were 24 in 1982
It's the Super 8s thing. There weren't 8 Super teams and there aren't 32 decent teams to play the World Cup wither
48 next time. Just 16 (I think) from UEFA though.
How many from UEFA this time?
13.
So reducing as overall percentage
Good to see Chris Hughton there. Ghana are solid.
Some dive from Ronaldo there
Soft peno alright.
I can see why they gave it but not a penalty for me. Ronaldo won it with the dive.
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Some dive from Ronaldo there
just Ronaldo being Ronaldo
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32 teams is another problem. There were 24 in 1982
It's the Super 8s thing. There weren't 8 Super teams and there aren't 32 decent teams to play the World Cup wither
48 next time. Just 16 (I think) from UEFA though.
48 teams is an abomination.
That probably means a round of 32 after the group stages. An absolute farce
Fifa don't give a shite about the amount of games players have to play nor the expense for fans. Tv deals , ticket salesand sponsorship money etc is all that matters to that corrupt lot
GOAT
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Its why FIFA have it so wrong, they should in all fairness pop into the GAABOARD and get the low down on things from Joe Soap and rearrange the way they rank teams!!
Are we looking an open qualification system worldwide? Would be great, travel wise though a nightmare but sure if it sorts out the rankings
It's due to covid restricting the amount teams were playing teams from outside their own confederation- Iran would be fairly strong in theirs hence their inflated ranking but would be no be nowhere near the level of a decent European team. Of course you already knew that and decided to be a smart arse anyway lol.
Seen an FA cup style knockout tournament with every country involved mentioned somewhere, would never happen though but would be interesting!
The Japs beat Germany The Saudis bate Argentina, South Korea drew with Uruguay, you're right the rankings are flawed
Sounds like it's a function for FIFA of where the money is. More Asian teams would indicate this.
FIFA is very like the IOC
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32 teams is another problem. There were 24 in 1982
It's the Super 8s thing. There weren't 8 Super teams and there aren't 32 decent teams to play the World Cup wither
48 next time. Just 16 (I think) from UEFA though.
48 teams is an abomination.
That probably means a round of 32 after the group stages. An absolute farce
Fifa don't give a shite about the amount of games players have to play nor the expense for fans. Tv deals , ticket salesand sponsorship money etc is all that matters to that corrupt lot
32 is already suboptimal. Maybe FIFA are aiming to emulate UEFA and half of the world at the World Cup.
Cracking goal for Ghana
That left side of Portugals is a bit like some other teams left side in the PL
Portugal goalkeeper Costa a lucky boy, a slip away from that game finishing 3-3.
The World Cup shows the FAI's problem. Portugal have 3 players at Man City. Switzerland has one. Ghana have a few Premiership players.
Back in the good old days Liverpool drew their playing base from the UK and Ireland.
That Neymar fella would annoy you. Some talent but probably the worst diver ever
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That Neymar fella would annoy you. Some talent but probably the worst diver ever
Hateful wee shite. He was the reason I wanted Brazil beat last time , and same reason this time
I'm sure most people can picture a hateful wee toerag from their locality . You know the one, the boy who anytime you see him , you want to stick your boot up his hole. That's neymar
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That Neymar fella would annoy you. Some talent but probably the worst diver ever
Hateful wee shite. He was the reason I wanted Brazil beat last time , and same reason this time
I'm sure most people can picture a hateful wee toerag from their locality . You know the one, the boy who anytime you see him , you want to stick your boot up his hole. That's neymar
Agreed. The other Brazillians probably likeable enough, Silva and Casemiro two class acts and Vinicius Jr is electric to watch.
It's not the diving. It's all the rolling once he hits the ground, He puts Jurgen to shame in that dept.
Brazil not looking spectacular so far. 1 minute must be the least added time yet!
Couldn't be great with their centre forward, doesn't even stand out at Everton, look at the forwards then had, then look at him.
They're gonna choke again, aren't they.
Last 2 posts aged well 😃
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Couldn't be great with their centre forward, doesn't even stand out at Everton, look at the forwards then had, then look at him.
He plays for Spurs.....
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Couldn't be great with their centre forward, doesn't even stand out at Everton, look at the forwards then had, then look at him.
Good call
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 24, 2022, 07:51:52 PM
Couldn't be great with their centre forward, doesn't even stand out at Everton, look at the forwards then had, then look at him.
He plays for Spurs.....
Would be hard enough for him to stand out at Everton alright
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Last 2 posts aged well 😃
Aye 1-0 up against Serbia. #NameOnTheTrophy ;D
Class goal.
What do you think now Wildweasel74
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 24, 2022, 07:51:52 PM
Couldn't be great with their centre forward, doesn't even stand out at Everton, look at the forwards then had, then look at him.
Good call
And another lol
I stand correctly, lol, forgot he moved from Everton.
He's not too bad at Tottenham. He knows how to score. Does he have any Irish grandparents?
kiss of death weasel lol. In fairness i dont overly rate him but heard earlier hes a good record for brazil, i had thought earlier hes there to do lot of donkey work to allow vinicius and neymar more room and if he gets the odd one all the better
Some amount of PL players on that Brazil team
Brazil and England the pick of the teams thus far
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Brazil and England the pick of the teams thus far
Spain? France?
Brazil the best team after all the first round games. They are so dangerous going forward, and the strength in depth is impressive
Serbia no mugs either
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He's not too bad at Tottenham. He knows how to score. Does he have any Irish grandparents?
Has scored as many goals for Brazil tonight as he has for Tottenham this season.
And England beat a brilliant Iran side
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Quote from: 03,05,08 on November 24, 2022, 08:38:33 PM
Brazil and England the pick of the teams thus far
Spain? France?
Nah they were up against nothing.
France were suspect at the back against Australia, Brazil weren't great first half. Spain and England with the best performances probably but again not up against much.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2022, 08:37:15 PM
Some amount of PL players on that Brazil team
That's the problem. I think the Brazil 1982 team, the greatest team I've ever watched, had just one player playing in Europe - Falcao. Argentina 78 had only Kempes playing in Europe. All the South American flair had been taken away by the fact that their players are now playing in the Premier League. As World Cups go, and I've been watching since 1970, this is the worst so far. I hope it improves but there's nothing to suggest that might be the case
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2022, 08:37:15 PM
Some amount of PL players on that Brazil team
That's the problem. I think the Brazil 1982 team, the greatest team I've ever watched, had just one player playing in Europe - Falcao. Argentina 78 had only Kempes playing in Europe. All the South American flair had been taken away by the fact that their players are now playing in the Premier League. As World Cups go, and I've been watching since 1970, this is the worst so far. I hope it improves but there's nothing to suggest that might be the case
Styles will have changed due to tactics and so on, whether we like it or not the PL draws the best players due to money
8 European winners during that period you've been watching, 3 Brazil and 2 Argentine wins for South Americans
Jesus folks but it's hard to watch the diving and constant play acting. Why oh why can this not be taken out of the game? Very simple to look at the main culprits after a game and take action. Yes some things may be missed or be difficult to judge but many of them would be caught out
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2022, 08:37:15 PM
Some amount of PL players on that Brazil team
That's the problem. I think the Brazil 1982 team, the greatest team I've ever watched, had just one player playing in Europe - Falcao. Argentina 78 had only Kempes playing in Europe. All the South American flair had been taken away by the fact that their players are now playing in the Premier League. As World Cups go, and I've been watching since 1970, this is the worst so far. I hope it improves but there's nothing to suggest that might be the case
Worse than Italia 90?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2022, 08:37:15 PM
Some amount of PL players on that Brazil team
That's the problem. I think the Brazil 1982 team, the greatest team I've ever watched, had just one player playing in Europe - Falcao. Argentina 78 had only Kempes playing in Europe. All the South American flair had been taken away by the fact that their players are now playing in the Premier League. As World Cups go, and I've been watching since 1970, this is the worst so far. I hope it improves but there's nothing to suggest that might be the case
Worse than Italia 90?
I started to think about all the different games there at Italia 90 and yeah it was rotten.
In fairness we were all caught up in the whole Ireland adventure and turned a blind eye to how bad it was. But you're right it was pretty poor.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on November 24, 2022, 11:56:17 PM
In fairness we were all caught up in the whole Ireland adventure and turned a blind eye to how bad it was. But you're right it was pretty poor.
I absolutely loved Italia 90
Yeah, it was great fun, cos we were involved. And then Cameroon nearly beat England. And England lost on pennos. And Maradonna and Germany did a rematch. But the games themselves were pretty turgid. They even changed the rules after to make the game more watchable.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 25, 2022, 12:37:25 AM
Yeah, it was great fun, cos we were involved. And then Cameroon nearly beat England. And England lost on pennos. And Maradonna and Germany did a rematch. But the games themselves were pretty turgid. They even changed the rules after to make the game more watchable.
That's a pretty accurate synopsis I have to say. After the disappointment of losing to Italy and then England beating Cameroon the manner of Englands subsequent defeat to Germany was akin to getting stung by a nettle and finding a dock leaf
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on November 24, 2022, 10:05:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2022, 08:37:15 PM
Some amount of PL players on that Brazil team
That's the problem. I think the Brazil 1982 team, the greatest team I've ever watched, had just one player playing in Europe - Falcao. Argentina 78 had only Kempes playing in Europe. All the South American flair had been taken away by the fact that their players are now playing in the Premier League. As World Cups go, and I've been watching since 1970, this is the worst so far. I hope it improves but there's nothing to suggest that might be the case
The main differences between 82 are the number of Brazilians playing in Europe, the style of play and how much the players get paid.
Between 1930 and 1970 South American teams won 5/9 tournaments. Post 1970 they won 4/12. The confirmation ofvthe power shift was in 2014 when Germany beat Brazil 7-1:in Brazil.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on November 24, 2022, 11:56:17 PM
In fairness we were all caught up in the whole Ireland adventure and turned a blind eye to how bad it was. But you're right it was pretty poor.
Copy and Paste from Wiki, doesn't make for good reading on Italia 90:
Negative tactics
The tournament generated a record low goals-per-game average and a then-record of 16 red cards were handed out. In the knockout stage, many teams played defensively for 120 minutes, with the intention of trying their luck in the penalty shoot-out, rather than risk going forward. Two exceptions were the eventual champions West Germany and hosts Italy, the only teams to win three of their four knockout matches in normal time. There were four penalty shoot-outs, a record subsequently equalled in the 2006, 2014 and 2018 tournaments. Eight matches went to extra time, a record equalled in the 2014 tournament.
Losing finalists Argentina were prime examples of this trend of cautious defensive play, choosing to do so because 3 of their best players were left off the squad due to injury. They scored only five goals in the entire tournament (a record low for a finalist). Argentina also became the first team to advance twice on penalty shoot-outs and the first team to fail to score and have a player sent off in a World Cup final.
Largely as a result of this trend FIFA introduced the back-pass rule in time for the 1994 tournament to make it harder for teams to time-waste by repeatedly passing the ball back for their goalkeepers to pick up. Three, rather than two points would be awarded for victories at future tournaments to help further encourage attacking play.
Iran singing their anthem today, although a lot of them look reluctant doing so
Wonder have they been 'instructed' to sing
Quote from: smort on November 25, 2022, 09:58:18 AM
Iran singing their anthem today, although a lot of them look reluctant doing so
Wonder have they been 'instructed' to sing
God knows what theyve been threatened with if they refuse!
Does anyone else hate the Welsh as a nation or is it just me?lol
Watched the USA game the other night and John Hartson was unbearable on commentary.
Wales have been absolute garbage so far against a very poor team.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 25, 2022, 11:20:34 AM
Wales have been absolute garbage so far against a very poor team.
Iran have been brilliant would be my take
Iran should be out of sight. Wales are a very average side. When the WC goes to 48 teams you're going to see a lot more of these sort of teams in it.
Welsh keeper a bit lucky there...
He's off now and as the commentators said it was shades of Schumacher in 82.
Quote from: clarshack on November 25, 2022, 11:49:11 AM
He's off now and as the commentators said it was shades of Schumacher in 82.
VAR does its job...for once. A clear error by the ref corrected.
Ireland or Norn Iron would. Have put up a better show than this dire welsh outfit
And that's saying something because both are brutal
Wales have been rubbish and have got what they deserved here.
Some performance by Iran.
USA v Iran now could be for 2nd place in the group, could be tasty.
Wales can have no complaints. Iran should have scored about 6. Bale is somewhere else.
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 25, 2022, 12:05:18 PM
Wales can have no complaints. Iran should have scored about 6. Bale is somewhere else.
Don't think he is fit at all. Over in America on his jollies
Wales' key players are at least 2 years past being effective at this level. 2018 was the World Cup for them, but they lost at home to Ireland.
Yeah, Ramsey looks done, no pace
BBC panel bordering on casual racism!
Wales are finished. At Ireland's level now.
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 25, 2022, 12:19:14 PM
BBC panel bordering on casual racism!
What they at? Thats just what this wc needs, its missin a bit of controversy...
Quote from: toby47 on November 24, 2022, 09:04:55 PM
And England beat a brilliant Iran side
They sure did! 8)
Was listening to the news this morning and they were talking about how Wales were going to get their first WC win in whatever number of years. Bale on as well, and wasn't playing it down. Thought at the time, they were setting themselves up for a fall.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 25, 2022, 12:25:12 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 25, 2022, 12:19:14 PM
BBC panel bordering on casual racism!
What they at? Thats just what this wc needs, its missin a bit of controversy...
Saying that foul play is a part of Iranian culture and then had a go at the ref cos he was from Guatemala, and with a European ref the result might have been different. Bizarre. Iran were way better than Wales. They should have been concentrating on how shite Bale and Ramsay were.
Quote from: smort on November 25, 2022, 12:08:27 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 25, 2022, 12:05:18 PM
Wales can have no complaints. Iran should have scored about 6. Bale is somewhere else.
Don't think he is fit at all. Over in America on his jollies
Bale has long been mentally on the 14th fairway.
Quote from: mouview on November 25, 2022, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: smort on November 25, 2022, 12:08:27 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on November 25, 2022, 12:05:18 PM
Wales can have no complaints. Iran should have scored about 6. Bale is somewhere else.
Don't think he is fit at all. Over in America on his jollies
Bale has long been mentally on the 14th fairway.
I don't think that's a fair assessment of his commitment to Wales. The only reason he has prolonged his professional career for the past few years is because he wanted to play in major finals for his country.
In terms of physical capability, his performance levels do look like someone on the verge of retirement, but as I say, his head has always been in the right place for Wales.
Golf. Wales. Madrid.
Quote from: weareros on November 25, 2022, 12:03:08 PM
Some performance by Iran.
Iran showed they were good by scoring 2 goals against England
Qatar are atrocious
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 25, 2022, 01:07:44 PM
Golf. Wales. Madrid.
He's Wales' record cap holder and record goal scorer. Yet people cannot help themselves repeating that catchy line, even if it's a lie.
Fair play to Hennessey it was a kick Jackie Chan would have been proud of
Some hit by the Goalkeeper.
Wales got kicked all over pitch !
Would Wales have been any better with predator Giggs?
Dutch living a charmed life against Ecuador.
Quote from: weareros on November 25, 2022, 05:20:02 PM
Dutch living a charmed life against Ecuador.
They need a dyke or they'll be swamped.
On a separate note, Neymar could be done, not sure if he is a diver, but he was hammered most times he got possession v Serbia.
Why don't referees see this systemic fouling and cut it out.
Quote from: joemamas on November 25, 2022, 05:27:10 PM
On a separate note, Neymar could be done, not sure if he is a diver, but he was hammered most times he got possession v Serbia.
Why don't referees see this systemic fouling and cut it out.
Deserves all he gets that f**ker.
Qatar become first team knocked out of (their) World Cup, less than a week after it started.
Unpopular opinion coming up.
I don't mind seeing England do well.
Quote from: joemamas on November 25, 2022, 05:27:10 PM
On a separate note, Neymar could be done, not sure if he is a diver, but he was hammered most times he got possession v Serbia.
Why don't referees see this systemic fouling and cut it out.
The player that made the first challenge on Neymar was booked 5 minutes into the game, message sent loud and clear I thought
Come on ye boys in blue.
The US well on top so far, should be in front.
The USA have had a good first half so far. They started well against Wales too. Maybe they will fall off the pace in the second half.
Unpopular, good Job you from Tyrone, you be used to unpopular lol. Thought they look dangerous though, but poor against the, USA, England made Iran look bad, who in turn made, Wales look like pure crap. How bad are Wales. Wales probably turn round and beat England now.
England desperate for the half time whistle at this stage.
What would you give the world cup out of 10 so far? Probably 4 as its been so so
Quote from: An Watcher on November 25, 2022, 07:46:21 PM
What would you give the world cup out of 10 so far? Probably 4 as its been so so
Not much more. An awful lot of boring 0-0s with a few hammerings thrown in. Portugal-Ghana probably the game of the tournament for me.
Keane really loves, Maguire, not lol.
Been poor, but seen plenty poor games before, I say about 5 good games you paid attention to.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 25, 2022, 07:48:37 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on November 25, 2022, 07:46:21 PM
What would you give the world cup out of 10 so far? Probably 4 as its been so so
Not much more. An awful lot of boring 0-0s with a few hammerings thrown in. Portugal-Ghana probably the game of the tournament for me.
4 out of 19 games nil-nil. Hardly a lot.
Quote from: thebigfella on November 25, 2022, 07:59:47 PM
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Quote from: An Watcher on November 25, 2022, 07:46:21 PM
What would you give the world cup out of 10 so far? Probably 4 as its been so so
Not much more. An awful lot of boring 0-0s with a few hammerings thrown in. Portugal-Ghana probably the game of the tournament for me.
4 out of 19 games nil-nil. Hardly a lot.
2018 had just 1 out of 64!
So you are looking to win the game but bring on Henderson, he's quality at controlling the game but surely Foden would have been a better choice?
USA have no target man. They are playing England off the park but no outlet up front. You know what's going to happen....
England are happy with a draw to save energy for later. They have a psychological advantage over Wales anyway.
Iran will probably beat the US. They have scorers.
It's bad when Maguire has been England's best player, by a good margin too
That's a very very interesting group going into the last round. Anyone can still qualify if I'm right?
England could be knocked out with a defeat to Wales and a positive result in U.S. v Iran. No evidence Wales can do that, but makes final round interesting.
England poor, can't see the likes of Spain, Brazil, France being that worried about them.
Quote from: laoislad on November 25, 2022, 08:54:43 PM
England poor, can't see the likes of Spain, Brazil, France being that worried about them.
England were gonna walk the WC according to some experts here the other day
Thought they were a cert tonight. Deserves me right betting on them fs.
England such a strange outfit. They don't press. Don't maintain possession. Don't take risks. Fullbacks don't overlap. Kane seems to be always at 10 when needed at 9, and vice versa. Sterling has got be the most frustrating player a smart football could play alongside. Mount just an odd footballer.. it looks as though Gareth's "Masterplan" is to win a WC by set pieces, yet he leaves Grealish on the bench, a one man free kick winning machine.
Such a strange bunch.
Quote from: weareros on November 25, 2022, 08:53:21 PM
England could be knocked out with a defeat to Wales and a positive result in U.S. v Iran. No evidence Wales can do that, but makes final round interesting.
Wales need to hammer England to put England out. It's goal difference and not head to head if 2 teams level on points.
Quote from: charlieTully on November 25, 2022, 09:11:20 PM
Thought they were a cert tonight. Deserves me right betting on them fs.
Back the corners, plenty in games during these tournaments
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England poor, can't see the likes of Spain, Brazil, France being that worried about them.
England were gonna walk the WC according to some experts here the other day
This. Better off resisting giving knee jerk reactions after one match
Quote from: lenny on November 25, 2022, 09:14:59 PM
Quote from: weareros on November 25, 2022, 08:53:21 PM
England could be knocked out with a defeat to Wales and a positive result in U.S. v Iran. No evidence Wales can do that, but makes final round interesting.
Wales need to hammer England to put England out. It's goal difference and not head to head if 2 teams level on points.
Did not know. Those goals against Iran keep England safe then. Poor tie-break rule by FIFA if two teams end up level.
You'd image the Iran lads will be well up for the Yanks. Should be a cracker.
Quote from: pbat on November 25, 2022, 10:03:50 PM
You'd image the Iran lads will be well up for the Yanks. Should be a cracker.
Vanquishing the great Satan would play better at home than beating Wales, which people could not find on a map.
You have to love the English meltdown after a shite performance.
Quote from: square_ball on November 25, 2022, 10:24:04 PM
You have to love the English meltdown after a shite performance.
Bizarre. Some of their play was slower than pedestrian.
Put a score on Iran/ Breatain bheag double.
"We shall overcome " . Sort of ignoring the fact we had them wee Welsh bastards here in Derry in khaki back in the day
Because FIFA use overall goal difference as a tie breaking criteria before head to head the wales v England game might be a bit of a non event because u cant see wales beating England by 3 or 4 goals if it was a UEFA match wales would only need to win the game because they use head to head first. Suppose you could say wales have themselves to blame because of getting beat by Iran. i personally think head to head should be the first criteria if it was wales v England would be like a playoff to qualify.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 25, 2022, 10:34:31 PM
Put a score on Iran/ Breatain bheag double.
"We shall overcome " . Sort of ignoring the fact we had them wee Welsh bastards here in Derry in khaki back in the day
And the Scot's, I can remember their Scottish hats before they used before the helmets! Lovely fellas ;) but sure great wee teams over there
Just the three women in the ITV studio :-\
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 26, 2022, 02:04:29 PM
Just the three women in the ITV studio :-\
Funny was just about to post the lads must be on the piss!!
Next ladies game will be all men ::)
Allah has not answered any Saudi prayers yet. But they've played well and have a stylish coach in Hervé Renard. Deserve something here even if post saved them twice.
Bar the Saudi win v Argentina and Japan beating Germany, the quality has been pretty dire.
Roy Keane has been the highlight of the World Cup for me. Especially in the England matches , where he's a perfect antidote to the super-blinkered English pundits. His 'put downs' have been top notch
There has been a lot of poor crossing.
Poor Wales against Iran. At least Wales are stuffing Australia in the rugby 21 points clear with 20 mins to go what could go wrong :o
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 26, 2022, 03:36:03 PM
Bar the Saudi win v Argentina and Japan beating Germany, the quality has been pretty dire.
Roy Keane has been the highlight of the World Cup for me. Especially in the England matches , where he's a perfect antidote to the super-blinkered English pundits. His 'put downs' have been top notch
Was the quality that great in either of those games either?
Could we not get an Irish passport for thon MBappé boy on the basis of his first name?
Well this has been a great game, hopefully keep the whingers on here happy..
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 26, 2022, 05:41:13 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 26, 2022, 03:36:03 PM
Bar the Saudi win v Argentina and Japan beating Germany, the quality has been pretty dire.
Roy Keane has been the highlight of the World Cup for me. Especially in the England matches , where he's a perfect antidote to the super-blinkered English pundits. His 'put downs' have been top notch
Was the quality that great in either of those games either?
Yeah true , but they was interesting at least.
A lot of boys on here have the rose tinted glasses on about previous tournaments, I never recall any wc that had ding dong battles in the first two rounds
Good atmosphere here..coupla tasty tackles too. Promising 😃
True, most World Cups are all predictable enough until the knock out stages.
Argentina need Tevez on or else they're going home
A bit of Messi magic has lit up a dour game.
That game seriously needed some Messi magic. Awful stuff up to this.
GOAT
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 26, 2022, 08:18:25 PM
Argentina need Tevez on or else they're going home
Luckily for them they have Messi.
Mexico/Saudi/Poland/Argentina Group still wide open.
Argentina got 2 quality goals to seal the win. I think they will make it now. it should be a good game against Poland.
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 26, 2022, 09:03:56 PM
Argentina got 2 quality goals to seal the win. I think they will make it now. it should be a good game against Poland.
Poland are a big physical side, who probably only need a draw. And will be playing for a draw. It will be a tough assignment for Argentina.
Spain won the World Cup after losing to Switzerland in the first game. Social media wasn't as prevalent then.
Quote from: ONeill on November 26, 2022, 10:55:09 PM
Spain won the World Cup after losing to Switzerland in the first game. Social media wasn't as prevalent then.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=15977.750 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=15977.750)
Bunker pulls one from the archives!! 😃
Engerland are 5th favourite. There aren't 8 decent teams in the competition
https://www.oddschecker.com/us/soccer/world-cup
Costa Rica just beat Japan 1-0. Great result for Argentina
That was truly, truly the worst game of football I've ever witnessed
Quote from: seafoid on November 27, 2022, 11:56:02 AM
Costa Rica just beat Japan 1-0. Great result for Argentina
Why? They aren't in the same group.
Quote from: seafoid on November 27, 2022, 11:56:02 AM
Costa Rica just beat Japan 1-0. Great result for Argentina
Germany you mean
How do you beat Germany one day and lose to Costa Rica the next
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 27, 2022, 12:27:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 27, 2022, 11:56:02 AM
Costa Rica just beat Japan 1-0. Great result for Argentina
Germany you mean
Yeah- Argentina are a bit ahead of Germany
This is an interesting ranking of the teams. Poland behind Ecuador, Iran ahead of australia. Wales 3rd last
https://www.oddschecker.com/us/soccer/world-cup/winner
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 27, 2022, 12:27:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 27, 2022, 11:56:02 AM
Costa Rica just beat Japan 1-0. Great result for Argentina
Germany you mean
Yeah Germany can still qualify even if they lose to spain
Those frickin' Belgians , bloody useless
Great win for Morocco. That Belgian defence
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 27, 2022, 03:05:51 PM
Those frickin' Belgians , bloody useless
Who is more tactically out of their depth? Southgate or Martinez.
Canadian player running around with a tampon up his nose!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 27, 2022, 05:10:08 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 27, 2022, 03:05:51 PM
Those frickin' Belgians , bloody useless
Who is more tactically out of their depth? Southgate or Martinez.
They both have to deal with squad limitation and National expectation.
Surely Martinez
How Martinez stayed in the job for so long is mad.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 27, 2022, 05:28:19 PM
How Martinez stayed in the job for so long is mad.
Well that depends. If Belgium really don't have any centre half options under 35 years old, then the manager is irrelevant. If they do, then he's a plum.
Doesn't excuse them at the bck.
They are ranked 2nd but the rankings are rubbish apparently because those nations from outside Europe never played those big European teams!
Asses handed to them on a plate!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 27, 2022, 06:06:47 PM
They are ranked 2nd but the rankings are rubbish apparently because those nations from outside Europe never played those big European teams!
Asses handed to them on a plate!
Must be something wrong with the rankings if that Belgian team are ranked so highly lol. Likely to be a big going home in that group
I think Belgium have to beat Croatia. Morocco and Croatia are on 4 and Belgium have 3 with a negative goal difference.
It's crazy that Germany could be world champions 8 years ago and mediocre now. We were really unlucky to get France in Euro qualifying .
Harsh offside that
Germany have strong team on paper, whats their issue?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 27, 2022, 08:10:50 PM
Germany have strong team on paper, whats their issue?
They need Klopp, I think it'll be his next job
1-0 Spain
1-1
Deserved in fairness.
Musiala a tidy player.
Germany need a out and out striker, they had Spain beat there
Could say the same about all the top sides. Spain, Germany, Brazil and even France (Giroud?) lack a Kane, who hasn't scored yet.
Let's hope Alan Shearer is packed off back to the studio - That was the worst co commentary stint I have ever heard.
Quote from: ONeill on November 28, 2022, 12:18:25 AM
Could say the same about all the top sides. Spain, Germany, Brazil and even France (Giroud?) lack a Kane, who hasn't scored yet.
Giroud doing rightly for France who have Mbappe anyway who is reliable for goals. Thought Morata was good last night
Quote from: ONeill on November 28, 2022, 12:18:25 AM
Could say the same about all the top sides. Spain, Germany, Brazil and even France (Giroud?) lack a Kane, who hasn't scored yet.
With Mpabbe there, I'd still probably pick France as having the best attack. Giroud is obviously limited but does his job, and they need Dembele to consistently pull his weight. Brazil and England next best, lots of options, lots of pace.
I thought Spain's workrate/intensity wasn't at Germany's level. Maybe that was because the game was more important to the Germans. I thought the Germans fully deserved the draw, but very lucky Japan didn't put them out of the tournament by beating Costa Rica. Japan really messed up and were very disappointing. Germany should hammer Costa Rica, will be interesting to see if Japan can get their act together, but expect Spain to have enough.
After the fantastic joyous scenes at the end of the Morocco-Belgium game, it's a real pity to the scenes in Brussels with young Moroccan hooligans running amok.
Quote from: Hound on November 28, 2022, 07:49:34 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 28, 2022, 12:18:25 AM
Could say the same about all the top sides. Spain, Germany, Brazil and even France (Giroud?) lack a Kane, who hasn't scored yet.
With Mpabbe there, I'd still probably pick France as having the best attack. Giroud is obviously limited but does his job, and they need Dembele to consistently pull his weight. Brazil and England next best, lots of options, lots of pace.
I thought Spain's workrate/intensity wasn't at Germany's level. Maybe that was because the game was more important to the Germans. I thought the Germans fully deserved the draw, but very lucky Japan didn't put them out of the tournament by beating Costa Rica. Japan really messed up and were very disappointing. Germany should hammer Costa Rica, will be interesting to see if Japan can get their act together, but expect Spain to have enough.
After the fantastic joyous scenes at the end of the Morocco-Belgium game, it's a real pity to the scenes in Brussels with young Moroccan hooligans running amok.
Felt Spain played a bit with the handbrake on tbh, thought they had a few extra gears to go too, the difference was Germany had to work their socks off
In soccer and in football the defenders are all used to coming up against a certain type of player.
The big man on the square being served decent ball in both sports is not the norm.
Quote from: michaelg on November 28, 2022, 07:21:09 AM
Let's hope Alan Shearer is packed off back to the studio - That was the worst co commentary stint I have ever heard.
You've never heard Jermaine jenas then?! :o
Michael Owen on his best day wouldn't be as good (bad as it is) as that.
The time wasting from Cameroon is unreal...
Guy went down with an injury to his face and he wasn't even touched!!
You need bring that player to the screen and get him to explain his actions then book him
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2022, 10:38:32 AM
The time wasting from Cameroon is unreal...
Guy went down with an injury to his face and he wasn't even touched!!
You need bring that player to the screen and get him to explain his actions then book him
Anyone going down holding their face like that should be forced to stay off for 10 minutes for head injury assessment.
3-3 , unbelievable, Jeff
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2022, 10:50:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2022, 10:38:32 AM
The time wasting from Cameroon is unreal...
Guy went down with an injury to his face and he wasn't even touched!!
You need bring that player to the screen and get him to explain his actions then book him
Anyone going down holding their face like that should be forced to stay off for 10 minutes for head injury assessment.
I like that!
Quote from: seafoid on November 28, 2022, 11:31:49 AM
3-3 , unbelievable, Jeff
All the African/Arab nations seem to be really holding their own, bar Qatar all the weaker countries have given a decent account of themselves, I know Costa Rica were tanked by Spain but they followed up by beating Japan.
Serbia were disappointing.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2022, 12:37:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 28, 2022, 11:31:49 AM
3-3 , unbelievable, Jeff
All the African/Arab nations seem to be really holding their own, bar Qatar all the weaker countries have given a decent account of themselves, I know Costa Rica were tanked by Spain but they followed up by beating Japan.
2 nil to Ghana versus South Korea
2-2 now
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2022, 12:37:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 28, 2022, 11:31:49 AM
3-3 , unbelievable, Jeff
All the African/Arab nations seem to be really holding their own, bar Qatar all the weaker countries have given a decent account of themselves, I know Costa Rica were tanked by Spain but they followed up by beating Japan.
Costa Rica have looked a poor side. Japan dominated that game in truth. Mentioned on commentary that their goal was their only shot on target in their opening 2 games.
It is good to see a more open World Cup though, the perceived weaker countries have caught up somewhat.
3-2 to Ghana. Huge win.
Quote from: oakleaflad on November 28, 2022, 02:30:26 PM
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Quote from: seafoid on November 28, 2022, 11:31:49 AM
3-3 , unbelievable, Jeff
All the African/Arab nations seem to be really holding their own, bar Qatar all the weaker countries have given a decent account of themselves, I know Costa Rica were tanked by Spain but they followed up by beating Japan.
Costa Rica have looked a poor side. Japan dominated that game in truth. Mentioned on commentary that their goal was their only shot on target in their opening 2 games.
It is good to see a more open World Cup though, the perceived weaker countries have caught up somewhat.
Didn't actually see the Costa Rica Japan game but even so that's some win. Always good to see the weaker teams doing well, Canada have been good to watch and have some talented players even if results didn't go their way.
There are a few surprises yes but I'll wait and see who is in the QF and SF games. Cameroon back in 1990 were very close to a SF - that's 32 yrs ago. The African teams haven't really kicked on since then
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 28, 2022, 03:45:48 PM
There are a few surprises yes but I'll wait and see who is in the QF and SF games. Cameroon back in 1990 were very close to a SF - that's 32 yrs ago. The African teams haven't really kicked on since then
Will always remember Roger Milla from that tournament and his corner flag celebration. He is 70 years of age now. Didn't realise he was as old as he was playing in the 90 and 94 WC's.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 28, 2022, 03:45:48 PM
There are a few surprises yes but I'll wait and see who is in the QF and SF games. Cameroon back in 1990 were very close to a SF - that's 32 yrs ago. The African teams haven't really kicked on since then
Not as close as Ghana were in 2010 only Suarez robbed them
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on November 28, 2022, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 28, 2022, 03:45:48 PM
There are a few surprises yes but I'll wait and see who is in the QF and SF games. Cameroon back in 1990 were very close to a SF - that's 32 yrs ago. The African teams haven't really kicked on since then
Will always remember Roger Milla from that tournament and his corner flag celebration. He is 70 years of age now. Didn't realise he was as old as he was playing in the 90 and 94 WC's.
He said he was 40 when at the WC not sure how true that was lol. Just looking at the quarter finalist since that great Cameroon team.
36 from UEFA
15 from Conmebol
2 from CAF
2 from Concacf
1 from AFC
That's pretty dire from outside Europe and South america
Ghana were closer to the semi final than Cameroon. Penalty shoot out. Costa Rica the same
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Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on November 28, 2022, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 28, 2022, 03:45:48 PM
There are a few surprises yes but I'll wait and see who is in the QF and SF games. Cameroon back in 1990 were very close to a SF - that's 32 yrs ago. The African teams haven't really kicked on since then
Will always remember Roger Milla from that tournament and his corner flag celebration. He is 70 years of age now. Didn't realise he was as old as he was playing in the 90 and 94 WC's.
He said he was 40 when at the WC not sure how true that was lol. Just looking at the quarter finalist since that great Cameroon team.
36 from UEFA
15 from Conmebol
2 from CAF
2 from Concacf
1 from AFC
That's pretty dire from outside Europe and South america
It would have been handier if you put a continent . I've no idea what any of those mean
Seeding in group stages means that it is always an uphill battle for the weaker nations to make the breakthrough. Even if they do get out of the group, they will almost certainly face a top seed in the last 16.
ive always felt that the south american and north american confederations should be merged into one dont see it happening tho because it make it harder for the likes of usa and mexico to qualify for world cup even with the increase spots in 2026.
The Brazil goal was class.
The world Cup is like a mix of the All Ireland and the Tailteann Cup. 16 and 16
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Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 28, 2022, 03:45:48 PM
There are a few surprises yes but I'll wait and see who is in the QF and SF games. Cameroon back in 1990 were very close to a SF - that's 32 yrs ago. The African teams haven't really kicked on since then
Will always remember Roger Milla from that tournament and his corner flag celebration. He is 70 years of age now. Didn't realise he was as old as he was playing in the 90 and 94 WC's.
He said he was 40 when at the WC not sure how true that was lol. Just looking at the quarter finalist since that great Cameroon team.
36 from UEFA
15 from Conmebol
2 from CAF
2 from Concacf
1 from AFC
That's pretty dire from outside Europe and South america
It would have been handier if you put a continent . I've no idea what any of those mean
Sorry
Europe 36
South America 15
Africa 2
North/Central America 2
Asia 1
Portugal dominating the ball here but Uruguay probably had the better chances. Not a great game hopefully second half picks up.
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There are a few surprises yes but I'll wait and see who is in the QF and SF games. Cameroon back in 1990 were very close to a SF - that's 32 yrs ago. The African teams haven't really kicked on since then
Will always remember Roger Milla from that tournament and his corner flag celebration. He is 70 years of age now. Didn't realise he was as old as he was playing in the 90 and 94 WC's.
He said he was 40 when at the WC not sure how true that was lol. Just looking at the quarter finalist since that great Cameroon team.
36 from UEFA
15 from Conmebol
2 from CAF
2 from Concacf
1 from AFC
That's pretty dire from outside Europe and South america
It would have been handier if you put a continent . I've no idea what any of those mean
Sorry
Europe 36
South America 15
Africa 2
North/Central America 2
Asia 1
Good man 8)
(I did know uefa though)
Didnt think Ronaldo touched that
Me too. I'm sure that went straight in
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2022, 08:13:24 PM
Didnt think Ronaldo touched that
The bookies say different
Quote from: Eire90 on November 28, 2022, 06:27:39 PM
ive always felt that the south american and north american confederations should be merged into one dont see it happening tho because it make it harder for the likes of usa and mexico to qualify for world cup even with the increase spots in 2026.
Which confederation do Suriname and Guyana play in? They are in South America but don't play in the South American qualifiers
Suriname born players have provided Netherlands will countless players over the years . Surely they can't be that bad? No worse than Venezuela or Bolivia I'd imagine
He didn't touch it
Never touched it, him celebrating like he did is embarrassing.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 28, 2022, 07:43:44 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 28, 2022, 04:44:51 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 28, 2022, 04:09:58 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on November 28, 2022, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 28, 2022, 03:45:48 PM
There are a few surprises yes but I'll wait and see who is in the QF and SF games. Cameroon back in 1990 were very close to a SF - that's 32 yrs ago. The African teams haven't really kicked on since then
Will always remember Roger Milla from that tournament and his corner flag celebration. He is 70 years of age now. Didn't realise he was as old as he was playing in the 90 and 94 WC's.
He said he was 40 when at the WC not sure how true that was lol. Just looking at the quarter finalist since that great Cameroon team.
36 from UEFA
15 from Conmebol
2 from CAF
2 from Concacf
1 from AFC
That's pretty dire from outside Europe and South america
It would have been handier if you put a continent . I've no idea what any of those mean
Sorry
Europe 36
South America 15
Africa 2
North/Central America 2
Asia 1
Uruguay and Argentina are more or less European countries
Quote from: Turf on November 28, 2022, 08:16:30 PM
Never touched it, him celebrating like he did is embarrassing.
Alright LL keep your pants on
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2022, 08:14:36 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2022, 08:13:24 PM
Didnt think Ronaldo touched that
The bookies say different
I thought watching it live he'd completely missed it. Hard to say from replays tbh. FIFA have given him the goal anyway.
Most of the score apps have given it to Fernandes.
Ronaldo has no shame. Was it Harry Kane did similar a few seasons ago.
Changed their mind now.
Had that gobshite running on the pitch a rainbow flag with him? I'd say Qatari security will show him the error of his ways
https://twitter.com/FIFAWorldCup/status/1597325364342456320
Massive chance for Suarez there. Portugal riding their luck, Uruguay have come alive since the goal.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2022, 08:23:48 PM
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Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2022, 08:13:24 PM
Didnt think Ronaldo touched that
The bookies say different
I thought watching it live he'd completely missed it. Hard to say from replays tbh. FIFA have given him the goal anyway.
Bookies paid out, who cares after that..
Checking the betting to see if I get money on someone bitting
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2022, 08:37:05 PM
Massive chance for Suarez there. Portugal riding their luck, Uruguay have come alive since the goal.
Uruguay usually only come alive after going behind. And if they happen to score first, they are very protective of that status.
Pathetic decision to award a penalty for that 'hand ball'.
Jesus. Ridiculous.
Shocking
Don't understand that point of view Main Street.
His hand prevented the Portuguese getting a shot on goal. Whether he meant it or not shouldn't come into it any more than accidentally tripping a man up in the box.
Great penalty from Ronaldo.
He put it through his legs and he stopped it with his hand.. thems the rules
Quote from: Turf on November 28, 2022, 08:23:55 PM
Most of the score apps have given it to Fernandes.
Ronaldo has no shame. Was it Harry Kane did similar a few seasons ago.
He celebrated his team scoring, what's the problem
He didn't do his foolish shuuu thing which he does when he scores, right? So maybe the bloke is celebrating his team scoring, who knows but without the Shuu thing then chances are he wasn't looking for it.
Quote from: Main Street on November 28, 2022, 08:49:24 PM
Pathetic decision to award a penalty for that 'hand ball'.
Very unfair
Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2022, 08:51:03 PM
Don't understand that point of view Main Street.
His hand prevented the Portuguese getting a shot on goal. Whether he meant it or not shouldn't come into it any more than accidentally tripping a man up in the box.
Agree with this.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2022, 08:51:40 PM
He put it through his legs and he stopped it with his hand.. thems the rules
What rule are you referring to?
Uruguay haven't scored over 2 matches
Quote from: Main Street on November 28, 2022, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2022, 08:51:40 PM
He put it through his legs and he stopped it with his hand.. thems the rules
What rule are you referring to?
The stop the ball with hand in the box rule
Them Portuguese boys are hard to like. Fernandes, who has already scored 2, his team winning in the 98th minute, hits the post and then cries and throws his arms up. A minute before that he was roaring at the linesman looking a corner that wasn't.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2022, 08:51:03 PM
Don't understand that point of view Main Street.
His hand prevented the Portuguese getting a shot on goal. Whether he meant it or not shouldn't come into it any more than accidentally tripping a man up in the box.
Agreed. If he doesn't touch the ball with his hand, Bruno is in, has to be a penalty but unlucky for the lad. Uruguay Ghana should be interesting!
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2022, 09:02:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2022, 08:51:03 PM
Don't understand that point of view Main Street.
His hand prevented the Portuguese getting a shot on goal. Whether he meant it or not shouldn't come into it any more than accidentally tripping a man up in the box.
Agreed. If he doesn't touch the ball with his hand, Bruno is in, has to be a penalty but unlucky for the lad. Uruguay Ghana should be interesting!
Plenty of group still to be decided, the 3rd round of games in most groups could be great.
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Quote from: Main Street on November 28, 2022, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2022, 08:51:40 PM
He put it through his legs and he stopped it with his hand.. thems the rules
What rule are you referring to?
The stop the ball with hand in the box rule
Be specific.
Is this what you are referring to? There is no 'rule' which supports your claim.
HANDLING THE BALL
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player's hand/arm with the ball is an offence.
It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player's body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
Quote from: Main Street on November 28, 2022, 09:05:54 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2022, 08:51:40 PM
He put it through his legs and he stopped it with his hand.. thems the rules
What rule are you referring to?
The stop the ball with hand in the box rule
Be specific.
Is this what you are referring to? There is no 'rule' which supports your claim.
HANDLING THE BALL
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player's hand/arm with the ball is an offence.
It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player's body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
Peter Walton was talking during it and said he's unlucky but it's a penalty. So he's the expert I'll take his view on it, good post though
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2022, 09:12:02 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2022, 08:51:40 PM
He put it through his legs and he stopped it with his hand.. thems the rules
What rule are you referring to?
The stop the ball with hand in the box rule
Be specific.
Is this what you are referring to? There is no 'rule' which supports your claim.
HANDLING THE BALL
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player's hand/arm with the ball is an offence.
It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player's body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
Peter Walton was talking during it and said he's unlucky but it's a penalty. So he's the expert I'll take his view on it, good post though
Did Walton not say after the game that the ref was wrong? Commentators all said it wasn't a pen. Imo has to be one because if it doesn't hit his hand Portugal are through.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2022, 08:51:40 PM
He put it through his legs and he stopped it with his hand.. thems the rules
What rule are you referring to?
The stop the ball with hand in the box rule
Be specific.
Is this what you are referring to? There is no 'rule' which supports your claim.
HANDLING THE BALL
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player's hand/arm with the ball is an offence.
It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player's body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
Peter Walton was talking during it and said he's unlucky but it's a penalty. So he's the expert I'll take his view on it, good post though
Eh no, he did not say it was a penalty, in his opinion it was not a penalty.
I asked you what 'rule' were you referring to?
I get what people are saying with regard to rules. But it's beyond completely f**king daft that intent should be used to evaluate handball as a foul, when intent is not a factor in any other type of foul.
The rule on handball would be so much easier to accept and interpret, if the subjective assessment centred on "did that handball gain his side an advantage that otherwise would not have existed?", rather than "did he mean that? No, of course he didn't mean it... soccer players don't use their hands... so move onto the next criteria".
Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2022, 09:19:43 PM
I get what people are saying with regard to rules. But it's beyond completely f**king daft that intent should be used to evaluate handball as a foul, when intent is not a factor in any other type of foul.
The rule on handball would be so much easier to accept and interpret, if the subjective assessment centred on "did that handball gain his side an advantage that otherwise would not have existed?", rather than "did he mean that? No, of course he didn't mean it... soccer players don't use their hands... so move onto the next criteria".
Agreed. Maybe have the intent criteria when awarding a card
He said during it that was. Didn't watch afterwards. You can't stop the ball with your hand which will prevent a scoring opportunity.
You need to chill though, getting worked up isn't healthy
Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2022, 09:19:43 PM
I get what people are saying with regard to rules. But it's beyond completely f**king daft that intent should be used to evaluate handball as a foul, when intent is not a factor in any other type of foul.
The rule on handball would be so much easier to accept and interpret, if the subjective assessment centred on "did that handball gain his side an advantage that otherwise would not have existed?", rather than "did he mean that? No, of course he didn't mean it... soccer players don't use their hands... so move onto the next criteria".
I agree, tho in the competitive world of soccer you'd start to see forwards trying to gain an edge. Blasting the ball at defenders hands etc. it's just one of the things where there's no perfect solution as there's too many variables.
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Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2022, 09:19:43 PM
I get what people are saying with regard to rules. But it's beyond completely f**king daft that intent should be used to evaluate handball as a foul, when intent is not a factor in any other type of foul.
The rule on handball would be so much easier to accept and interpret, if the subjective assessment centred on "did that handball gain his side an advantage that otherwise would not have existed?", rather than "did he mean that? No, of course he didn't mean it... soccer players don't use their hands... so move onto the next criteria".
I agree, tho in the competitive world of soccer you'd start to see forwards trying to gain an edge. Blasting the ball at defenders hands etc. it's just one of the things where there's no perfect solution as there's too many variables.
I honestly don't think it's complicated at all. Ball hits tucked in arm or hand, then carry on. Ball hits outstretched arm or hand, then judge whether an advantage was gained from this action.
In my experience, anyone who's ever played ground ball gets one on the arm or hand every once in a while - and knows straight away whether their hand should or shouldn't have been in that place.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2022, 09:21:09 PM
He said during it that was. Didn't watch afterwards. You can't stop the ball with your hand which will prevent a scoring opportunity.
You need to chill though, getting worked up isn't healthy
I am quite calm. As for yourself you don't know the rules you referred to and now the add on with the panic last ditch Walton defense ;D
Walton said clearly that iho the player's hand was in a natural position when the ball hit hand and that the penalty decision was extremely harsh.
But in MR2's world that means Walton says it was a penalty ;D
He did say it was a penalty at the time if he changed his mind then hi ho..
The ref watched it after the 7 VAR lads reviewed it, it's a penalty, so move on, the gasket might blow
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 28, 2022, 08:15:12 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 28, 2022, 06:27:39 PM
ive always felt that the south american and north american confederations should be merged into one dont see it happening tho because it make it harder for the likes of usa and mexico to qualify for world cup even with the increase spots in 2026.
Which confederation do Suriname and Guyana play in? They are in South America but don't play in the South American qualifiers
Suriname born players have provided Netherlands will countless players over the years . Surely they can't be that bad? No worse than Venezuela or Bolivia I'd imagine
suriname and guyana play in concacaf the north american central and carribbean confederation think they play there because they feel more cultural Caribbean and its probably gives them more of a chance
Quote from: Eire90 on November 28, 2022, 09:55:54 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 28, 2022, 08:15:12 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 28, 2022, 06:27:39 PM
ive always felt that the south american and north american confederations should be merged into one dont see it happening tho because it make it harder for the likes of usa and mexico to qualify for world cup even with the increase spots in 2026.
Which confederation do Suriname and Guyana play in? They are in South America but don't play in the South American qualifiers
Suriname born players have provided Netherlands will countless players over the years . Surely they can't be that bad? No worse than Venezuela or Bolivia I'd imagine
suriname and guyana play in concacaf the north american central and carribbean confederation think they play there because they feel more cultural Caribbean and its probably gives them more of a chance
USA, Canada & Mexico will host in 2026. So 3 extra teams from CONACAF will qualify , in 48 team competition !
Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2022, 09:33:01 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 28, 2022, 09:24:02 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2022, 09:19:43 PM
I get what people are saying with regard to rules. But it's beyond completely f**king daft that intent should be used to evaluate handball as a foul, when intent is not a factor in any other type of foul.
The rule on handball would be so much easier to accept and interpret, if the subjective assessment centred on "did that handball gain his side an advantage that otherwise would not have existed?", rather than "did he mean that? No, of course he didn't mean it... soccer players don't use their hands... so move onto the next criteria".
I agree, tho in the competitive world of soccer you'd start to see forwards trying to gain an edge. Blasting the ball at defenders hands etc. it's just one of the things where there's no perfect solution as there's too many variables.
I honestly don't think it's complicated at all. Ball hits tucked in arm or hand, then carry on. Ball hits outstretched arm or hand, then judge whether an advantage was gained from this action.
In my experience, anyone who's ever played ground ball gets one on the arm or hand every once in a while - and knows straight away whether their hand should or shouldn't have been in that place.
this has been my stance forever. I have no idea why it can't be this simple
Quote from: delgany on November 28, 2022, 10:00:54 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 28, 2022, 09:55:54 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 28, 2022, 08:15:12 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 28, 2022, 06:27:39 PM
ive always felt that the south american and north american confederations should be merged into one dont see it happening tho because it make it harder for the likes of usa and mexico to qualify for world cup even with the increase spots in 2026.
Which confederation do Suriname and Guyana play in? They are in South America but don't play in the South American qualifiers
Suriname born players have provided Netherlands will countless players over the years . Surely they can't be that bad? No worse than Venezuela or Bolivia I'd imagine
suriname and guyana play in concacaf the north american central and carribbean confederation think they play there because they feel more cultural Caribbean and its probably gives them more of a chance
USA, Canada & Mexico will host in 2026. So 3 extra teams from CONACAF will qualify , in 48 team competition !
48 teams is mental.
I heard them talk about a 32 team Euros as well. That's even more bonkers.
Last time I checked there were 53 teams in European qualifying. Take out the likes of Andorra, Gibraltar, San Marino , Liechtenstein, Faroes , Malta, Luxembourg, etc....... that's practically every team/country in Europe at the finals!
think they have put 32 team euro on hold for a while but they probably will go to that eventually.
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Quote from: Eire90 on November 28, 2022, 06:27:39 PM
ive always felt that the south american and north american confederations should be merged into one dont see it happening tho because it make it harder for the likes of usa and mexico to qualify for world cup even with the increase spots in 2026.
Which confederation do Suriname and Guyana play in? They are in South America but don't play in the South American qualifiers
Suriname born players have provided Netherlands will countless players over the years . Surely they can't be that bad? No worse than Venezuela or Bolivia I'd imagine
suriname and guyana play in concacaf the north american central and carribbean confederation think they play there because they feel more cultural Caribbean and its probably gives them more of a chance
USA, Canada & Mexico will host in 2026. So 3 extra teams from CONACAF will qualify , in 48 team competition !
48 teams is mental.
I heard them talk about a 32 team Euros as well. That's even more bonkers.
Last time I checked there were 53 teams in European qualifying. Take out the likes of Andorra, Gibraltar, San Marino , Liechtenstein, Faroes , Malta, Luxembourg, etc....... that's practically every team/country in Europe at the finals!
A 48 team Euros would be interesting if they broke the dominant teams into regions. Eg no Germany but Bavaria, Baden Wurtemberg, etc. England could be replaced by 6 regions, Italy 7, whatever.
Before all the money flooded into soccer the Euros had 8 teams. The World Cup had 16.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2022, 09:02:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2022, 08:51:03 PM
Don't understand that point of view Main Street.
His hand prevented the Portuguese getting a shot on goal. Whether he meant it or not shouldn't come into it any more than accidentally tripping a man up in the box.
Agreed. If he doesn't touch the ball with his hand, Bruno is in, has to be a penalty but unlucky for the lad. Uruguay Ghana should be interesting!
I've seen the rule and more people then not are suggesting it shouldn't be a penalty but I'd argue that the defenders arm is clearly in an unnatural position because he made a ridiculous challenge on the edge of the box with both legs leaving the ground hence why his arm was positioned where it was. Don't understand why anyone would want to see a defender be reprieved after an appalling bit of defending and and good attacking play from Fernandes. 100% a penalty
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Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2022, 08:51:03 PM
Don't understand that point of view Main Street.
His hand prevented the Portuguese getting a shot on goal. Whether he meant it or not shouldn't come into it any more than accidentally tripping a man up in the box.
Agreed. If he doesn't touch the ball with his hand, Bruno is in, has to be a penalty but unlucky for the lad. Uruguay Ghana should be interesting!
I've seen the rule and more people then not are suggesting it shouldn't be a penalty but I'd argue that the defenders arm is clearly in an unnatural position because he made a ridiculous challenge on the edge of the box with both legs leaving the ground hence why his arm was positioned where it was. Don't understand why anyone would want to see a defender be reprieved after an appalling bit of defending and and good attacking play from Fernandes. 100% a penalty
His hand is in the most natural position it could be, in that it is breaking his fall. To suggest that is unnatural is ridiculous. He's falling and the ball hits him. It was never a penalty. The standard of refereeing in general has been quite poor.
How does FIFA's funding model work? Do more teams mean more money for them ? Is it longer tournaments or what ?
On the penalty I think the VAR team were swayed by the fact that, had the ball not hit the defenders hand Bruno was through for a goal scoring opportunity. It should not have had any influence on the decision but something tells me that it had.
The VAR ref who called it was from Qatar.
Quote from: seafoid on November 29, 2022, 09:22:15 AM
How does FIFA's funding model work? Do more teams mean more money for them ? Is it longer tournaments or what ?
All about promotion and building brand, will always generate more money worldwide for FIFA by encouraging more kids to play football, if you bring more teams to the World Cup then that inspires the next generation of players
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Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2022, 08:51:03 PM
Don't understand that point of view Main Street.
His hand prevented the Portuguese getting a shot on goal. Whether he meant it or not shouldn't come into it any more than accidentally tripping a man up in the box.
Agreed. If he doesn't touch the ball with his hand, Bruno is in, has to be a penalty but unlucky for the lad. Uruguay Ghana should be interesting!
I've seen the rule and more people then not are suggesting it shouldn't be a penalty but I'd argue that the defenders arm is clearly in an unnatural position because he made a ridiculous challenge on the edge of the box with both legs leaving the ground hence why his arm was positioned where it was. Don't understand why anyone would want to see a defender be reprieved after an appalling bit of defending and and good attacking play from Fernandes. 100% a penalty
His hand is in the most natural position it could be, in that it is breaking his fall. To suggest that is unnatural is ridiculous. He's falling and the ball hits him. It was never a penalty. The standard of refereeing in general has been quite poor.
Rule needs updating. Hand was probably in a natural position if you're falling so by the letter of the law no penalty. The rule leaves too much open to interpretation though. Doesn't mean that it shouldn't be a penalty though, at the end of the day if he doesn't stop the ball with his hand Portugal have a great goal chance.
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Quote from: seafoid on November 29, 2022, 09:22:15 AM
How does FIFA's funding model work? Do more teams mean more money for them ? Is it longer tournaments or what ?
All about promotion and building brand, will always generate more money worldwide for FIFA by encouraging more kids to play football, if you bring more teams to the World Cup then that inspires the next generation of players
I'm sure they'd love to tap into the massive populations of China, India, Indonesia and Nigeria. Probably see a 64 team world cup before long!
We probably wouldn't qualify regardless though.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 29, 2022, 09:28:14 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2022, 09:24:26 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 29, 2022, 09:22:15 AM
How does FIFA's funding model work? Do more teams mean more money for them ? Is it longer tournaments or what ?
All about promotion and building brand, will always generate more money worldwide for FIFA by encouraging more kids to play football, if you bring more teams to the World Cup then that inspires the next generation of players
I'm sure they'd love to tap into the massive populations of China, India, Indonesia and Nigeria. Probably see a 64 team world cup before long!
We probably wouldn't qualify regardless though.
While Ireland is in the European groups for qualification they won't for a good bit
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 29, 2022, 09:28:14 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2022, 09:24:26 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 29, 2022, 09:22:15 AM
How does FIFA's funding model work? Do more teams mean more money for them ? Is it longer tournaments or what ?
All about promotion and building brand, will always generate more money worldwide for FIFA by encouraging more kids to play football, if you bring more teams to the World Cup then that inspires the next generation of players
I'm sure they'd love to tap into the massive populations of China, India, Indonesia and Nigeria. Probably see a 64 team world cup before long!
We probably wouldn't qualify regardless though.
I think China qualified in 2002
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Quote from: Armagh18 on November 28, 2022, 09:02:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2022, 08:51:03 PM
Don't understand that point of view Main Street.
His hand prevented the Portuguese getting a shot on goal. Whether he meant it or not shouldn't come into it any more than accidentally tripping a man up in the box.
Agreed. If he doesn't touch the ball with his hand, Bruno is in, has to be a penalty but unlucky for the lad. Uruguay Ghana should be interesting!
I've seen the rule and more people then not are suggesting it shouldn't be a penalty but I'd argue that the defenders arm is clearly in an unnatural position because he made a ridiculous challenge on the edge of the box with both legs leaving the ground hence why his arm was positioned where it was. Don't understand why anyone would want to see a defender be reprieved after an appalling bit of defending and and good attacking play from Fernandes. 100% a penalty
His hand is in the most natural position it could be, in that it is breaking his fall. To suggest that is unnatural is ridiculous. He's falling and the ball hits him. It was never a penalty. The standard of refereeing in general has been quite poor.
Rule needs updating. Hand was probably in a natural position if you're falling so by the letter of the law no penalty. The rule leaves too much open to interpretation though. Doesn't mean that it shouldn't be a penalty though, at the end of the day if he doesn't stop the ball with his hand Portugal have a great goal chance.
Rule does need updating to cover yesterdays penalty. Handball laws are a farce anyway, 90% of penalties given are probably not deliberate anyways; Yesterdays was a consequence of shocking defending and stopped Fernandes going clear on goal, bad defending should rightly be punished.
The last group matches are played simultaneously, as a result of Austria v Germany in 1982.
So no match this morning
Quote from: NAG1 on November 29, 2022, 09:23:54 AM
On the penalty I think the VAR team were swayed by the fact that, had the ball not hit the defenders hand Bruno was through for a goal scoring opportunity. It should not have had any influence on the decision but something tells me that it had.
The VAR ref who called it was from Qatar.
The Var team just suggested to the ref that its worth a look at it again. It was the ref that made the call for the penalty after reviewing it.
Quote from: HiMucker on November 29, 2022, 10:28:23 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on November 29, 2022, 09:23:54 AM
On the penalty I think the VAR team were swayed by the fact that, had the ball not hit the defenders hand Bruno was through for a goal scoring opportunity. It should not have had any influence on the decision but something tells me that it had.
The VAR ref who called it was from Qatar.
The Var team just suggested to the ref that its worth a look at it again. It was the ref that made the call for the penalty after reviewing it.
And therein is one of the biggest fault, human nature would lead you to believe if requested to look at it again to think that you have missed something.
In that situation would take a very strong person to not change his mind, I would assume like the rugby they are having conversations as they are watching the replays but I might have that wrong.
Quote from: NAG1 on November 29, 2022, 09:23:54 AM
On the penalty I think the VAR team were swayed by the fact that, had the ball not hit the defenders hand Bruno was through for a goal scoring opportunity. It should not have had any influence on the decision but something tells me that it had.
The VAR ref who called it was from Qatar.
Most definitely should imo. Rules need updated.
Jesus, wouldn't you just love if for Wales to beat the English and buck them out of it.
Hard to see it happening but just to make that smug bollox Mark Pougatch squirm.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 29, 2022, 11:54:55 AM
Jesus, wouldn't you just love if for Wales to beat the English and buck them out of it.
Hard to see it happening but just to make that smug bollox Mark Pougatch squirm.
Need to win by a few goals though. Can see them maybe nicking a draw depending on which England turn up. Do group a winners play group b runners up in knock outs etc?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 29, 2022, 11:59:25 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 29, 2022, 11:54:55 AM
Jesus, wouldn't you just love if for Wales to beat the English and buck them out of it.
Hard to see it happening but just to make that smug bollox Mark Pougatch squirm.
Need to win by a few goals though. Can see them maybe nicking a draw depending on which England turn up. Do group a winners play group b runners up in knock outs etc?
Yep, winner will likely play Ecuador/Senegal. 2nd place play Netherlands.
Winner of the group will probably have France in the quarters (could be the end of the road for England?)
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 29, 2022, 12:10:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 29, 2022, 11:59:25 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 29, 2022, 11:54:55 AM
Jesus, wouldn't you just love if for Wales to beat the English and buck them out of it.
Hard to see it happening but just to make that smug bollox Mark Pougatch squirm.
Need to win by a few goals though. Can see them maybe nicking a draw depending on which England turn up. Do group a winners play group b runners up in knock outs etc?
Yep, winner will likely play Ecuador/Senegal. 2nd place play Netherlands.
Winner of the group will probably have France in the quarters (could be the end of the road for England?)
France would make wee boys of England, Mbappe would have s field day if he got at Harry Maguire.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 29, 2022, 11:54:55 AM
Jesus, wouldn't you just love if for Wales to beat the English and buck them out of it.
Hard to see it happening but just to make that smug bollox Mark Pougatch squirm.
England are top 5. Wales are bottom 3
As it is the last group games this week..
How is qualification decided?
1. Points accrued
2. Goal difference
3. Goals scored
4. Head-to-head results
5. Fair play: the team that has accumulated the fewest indiscipline points wins (a yellow card equals one point, a red card shown for two yellows equals three points, a direct red card equals four points and a direct red card shown to a player who was already on a yellow equals five points)
6. Lots drawn
Japan made it through to the knock out stages, at the expense of Senegal, in 2018 on Fair Play grounds after everything else was level.
Not sure if there are any groups this year that are close to this happening again.
england have to be beat by like 4 goals i think to get eliminated fifa does goal difference before head to head if uefa it be head to head.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 29, 2022, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 29, 2022, 12:10:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 29, 2022, 11:59:25 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 29, 2022, 11:54:55 AM
Jesus, wouldn't you just love if for Wales to beat the English and buck them out of it.
Hard to see it happening but just to make that smug bollox Mark Pougatch squirm.
Need to win by a few goals though. Can see them maybe nicking a draw depending on which England turn up. Do group a winners play group b runners up in knock outs etc?
Yep, winner will likely play Ecuador/Senegal. 2nd place play Netherlands.
Winner of the group will probably have France in the quarters (could be the end of the road for England?)
France would make wee boys of England, Mbappe would have s field day if he got at Harry Maguire.
I think you're right. At the minute France look like they would have too much for England. England really shouldn't be too scared by what they've seen at this World Cup so far and should be a contender but they don't have the leaders esp in defence to win the big one.
Do what you can to keep the man child happy?
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The Portuguese Federation are going to present evidence to FIFA to prove that the first goal against Uruguay was Cristiano Ronaldo's
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 29, 2022, 02:43:58 PM
Do what you can to keep the man child happy?
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The Portuguese Federation are going to present evidence to FIFA to prove that the first goal against Uruguay was Cristiano Ronaldo's
As long as the bookies paid out on it last night!! probably paid out on both scorers ;D
Quote from: johnnycool on November 29, 2022, 11:54:55 AM
Jesus, wouldn't you just love if for Wales to beat the English and buck them out of it.
Hard to see it happening but just to make that smug bollox Mark Pougatch squirm.
Wales are brutal. As much as I'd love to see Wales beat them, it will be 3-0 England
USA v Iran is the match to watch the night. Just like senegal v 3cuador now. The other two will be absolute snoorefests
Quote from: johnnycool on November 29, 2022, 11:54:55 AM
Jesus, wouldn't you just love if for Wales to beat the English and buck them out of it.
Hard to see it happening but just to make that smug bollox Mark Pougatch squirm.
Wales have to win by 4 goals or something for England to be knocked out.
Only hope would be for Wales to somehow manage to hold out for a draw, then Iran beat USA.
That would mean England finish second and have to play the Dutch in the next round.
Any win is sufficient for Wales if the other game is a draw
Don't think England would be too worried about the dutch
Quote from: An Watcher on November 29, 2022, 03:26:27 PM
USA v Iran is the match to watch the night. Just like senegal v 3cuador now. The other two will be absolute snoorefests
Snorefest is right, The Dutch are bang average, even against this team they are misplacing passes and same amount of shots on target than Qatar
So England (assuming they top group) would meet the winners of Senegal-Ecuador, right? They won't find that easy.
Quote from: smort on November 29, 2022, 03:54:06 PM
Any win is sufficient for Wales if the other game is a draw
Don't think England would be too worried about the dutch
They'd be more worried about the Dutch than Ecuador or Senegal all the same.
The Dutch are very average. I'd be more hopeful Senegal might spring a surprise v England than the Dutch.
It's looking like France will just have to knock them out in the quarter finals.
Wales don't look like a team in need of a win at the moment
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 29, 2022, 05:56:51 PM
The Dutch are very average. I'd be more hopeful Senegal might spring a surprise v England than the Dutch.
It's looking like France will just have to knock them out in the quarter finals.
Agreed. Not one of the better Dutch vintages. You would miss Arjen Robben
Wales had one shot
ITS CAAAAAAAMIN HOME ITS CAAAAAAMIN HOME
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 29, 2022, 08:14:03 PM
ITS CAAAAAAAMIN HOME ITS CAAAAAAMIN HOME
You're watching the wrong game.
Good hit from Rashford but keeper should do better. Good pressure from Rashford again winning the ball back for second goal. Wales solid first half but couple of mistakes have cost them, not offering much going forward. Won't know much about England after this that we didn't already
Wales have done nothing considering what was at stake
Very disappointing. They have been about as good as Qatar over the 3 games ffs
Quote from: laoislad on November 29, 2022, 08:17:01 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 29, 2022, 08:14:03 PM
ITS CAAAAAAAMIN HOME ITS CAAAAAAMIN HOME
You're watching the wrong game.
If the other one descends into a riot let me know..
Danny ward is not a good keeper
On 70 mins, the USA have not put the game to bed yet, 'never write off the ....Iranians'.
It's tense stuff.
USA living dangerously, have been the better team but without the 2nd goal Iran still in it.Iran only need a draw.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on November 29, 2022, 08:27:22 PM
Wales have done nothing considering what was at stake
Very disappointing. They have been about as good as Qatar over the 3 games ffs
No guts. We always got out of our group
I wonder if the televised match in Iran includes the images of the Iranian supporters, mixed, joyous and bare headed.
Wales were poor and not just in this match.
Carter Vickers is innocent.
USA win. Have been impressed with them, should have beaten England also.
Will be a decent game between them and the Dutch.
Shocking stuff from the Iranians at the end.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 29, 2022, 09:07:13 PM
Shocking stuff from the Iranians at the end.
Why what were they at?
Quote from: seafoid on November 29, 2022, 09:00:33 PM
Wales were poor and not just in this match.
Getting there was Wales's achievement. 2016 Wales in the Euros was a stronger bunch.
It'll be another 64 years before they're back. Then again, we'll probably have a 128 team World Cup soon enough
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 29, 2022, 09:12:37 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 29, 2022, 09:07:13 PM
Shocking stuff from the Iranians at the end.
Why what were they at?
Man went to ground over nothing and they were screaming blue murder wanting a var check when there was absolutely nothing in it. Just pure desperation.
No goals for Kane yet. None of the plastic Paddies have scored.
Rashford is joint top for the Golden Boot on 3
Quote from: seafoid on November 30, 2022, 08:49:40 AM
No goals for Kane yet. None of the plastic Paddies have scored.
Rashford is joint top for the Golden Boot on 3
So United players has 6 goals or have they scored more?
Quote from: laoislad on November 29, 2022, 09:04:20 PM
USA win. Have been impressed with them, should have beaten England also.
Will be a decent game between them and the Dutch.
Holland 9/10, USA 17/5 with PP. I assume that's 90 mins. I certainly wouldn't be backing the Dutch at that price. USA have been very good in that group.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 30, 2022, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: laoislad on November 29, 2022, 09:04:20 PM
USA win. Have been impressed with them, should have beaten England also.
Will be a decent game between them and the Dutch.
Holland 9/10, USA 17/5 with PP. I assume that's 90 mins. I certainly wouldn't be backing the Dutch at that price. USA have been very good in that group.
The USA have a great chance. They should have beaten Wales and Eng. Dutch look pretty average. I don't think the BBC was prepared for how terrible Wales have been! It's a pity Ramsay and Bale missed the World Cup.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2022, 08:53:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 30, 2022, 08:49:40 AM
No goals for Kane yet. None of the plastic Paddies have scored.
Rashford is joint top for the Golden Boot on 3
So United players has 6 goals or have they scored more?
Bruno 2, Casemiro 1, Rashford 3? Can't think of anyone else. Those 3 would be on team of the tournament so far
Quote from: seafoid on November 30, 2022, 08:49:40 AM
No goals for Kane yet. None of the plastic Paddies have scored.
Rashford is joint top for the Golden Boot on 3
Grealish?
France make 9 changes.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 30, 2022, 02:41:40 PM
France make 9 changes.
not surprised. Looking at the table there and they would need to lose, plus Aussies beat Denmark, plus a 6 goal swing in the goal difference for them not to top the group.
Group C really interesting with all 3 teams having a good shout at getting through
Australia are leading 1-0 against a poor Denmark.
That was tense for the Aussies, but great to see.
France and Australia through to the knock out phase. France will play the runners up in Group C and Aus will play the Group C winners. France v Argentina in the last 16 a possibility though i think all four teams in Group C can still qualify.
Well done Australia. Really surprised at Denmark, had them as dark horses tbh
Griezman offside decision for the last ditch goal being disallowed is a farce. Luckily it affects nothing more than French vanity.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2022, 05:37:08 PM
Well done Australia. Really surprised at Denmark, had them as dark horses tbh
They were very disappointing. They and Wales had one outstanding player who got them to the finals but could bring them no further.
Quote from: seafoid on November 30, 2022, 05:53:11 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 30, 2022, 05:37:08 PM
Well done Australia. Really surprised at Denmark, had them as dark horses tbh
They were very disappointing. They and Wales had one outstanding player who got them to the finals but could bring them no further.
Denmark, Wales and Belgium are all coming to the end of a life cycle.
Why was Javier Hernandez not in the Mexico squad? :o
They haven't scored in 2 games , surely he would've gave them some firepower?
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 30, 2022, 07:10:30 PM
Why was Javier Hernandez not in the Mexico squad? :o
They haven't scored in 2 games , surely he would've gave them some firepower?
He hasnt been called up in 3 years for some reason even though hes smashing the MLS
Never a penalty. Argentina deserve the goal though, Poland have been awful
Ah jaysis that's not a peno
Justice
Justice done there?
Polish goalkeeper is good.
Joke penalty decision
Justice it was saved
Bullshit penalty call there, Keeper flying through the air at the ball, what's he supposed to do.
Couldn't like Pessi if you reared him
Anybody know the Alexis Mac allister story? How long has the family been in Argentina?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 30, 2022, 07:39:54 PM
Bullshit penalty call there, Keeper flying through the air at the ball, what's he supposed to do.
I'm waiting on the rule book coming out before I decide ;D
Quote from: smort on November 30, 2022, 07:44:41 PM
Anybody know the Alexis Mac allister story? How long has the family been in Argentina?
Read before that it goes way back. Something like 5 generations.
The Polish defence has been under pressure all the way through the first half . They will get tired
Quote from: shark on November 30, 2022, 07:54:12 PM
Quote from: smort on November 30, 2022, 07:44:41 PM
Anybody know the Alexis Mac allister story? How long has the family been in Argentina?
Read before that it goes way back. Something like 5 generations.
There is a Welsh colony in a town called Trelew and the surrounding area about halfway down Patagonia . Very nice people.
Our boy!!!
The Irish guy scores
Some free kick goal from Mexico. Brilliant.
Starting to feel like a proper World Cup now. Great atmosphere from the Argies.
Mexico need another goal do they? Read on Twitter that if it stays as is then Poland go through because of less yellow cards? Is that true?
Yes, Mexico on 7 yellows, Poland 4
Though the way Poland are playing, there are more goals in Argentina
Quote from: laoislad on November 30, 2022, 08:30:46 PM
Mexico need another goal do they? Read on Twitter that if it stays as is then Poland go through because of less yellow cards? Is that true?
Yes. 7 to 4 on yellows.
Argentina should have had a penalty there for a push in the back of Alvarez as he shot on goal.VAR should have sorted it.
7 5 now
So what happens if it finished all square on yellow cards! And does a red card count towards it?
They draw lots. (Said that on bbc one)
Quote from: laoislad on November 30, 2022, 08:41:59 PM
So what happens if it finished all square on yellow cards! And does a red card count towards it?
Straight red is 4 points, yellow 1, two yellows 3
Poland have been awful. Not sure if its tactics or what
One interesting thing about the world Cup is the ethnic mix of countries. Argentina , Uruguay and Australia are very white while Ecuador, Mexico and Brazil are more mixed.
That must be the poorest ever performance by a team - Poland - that secured passage to 2nd round.
Saudi Arabia beating Argentina counted for nothing with Argentina finishing top and Saudis bottom.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 30, 2022, 09:01:56 PM
Saudi Arabia beating Argentina counted for nothing with Argentina finishing top and Saudis bottom.
You always live up to your username
Quote from: smort on November 30, 2022, 08:54:19 PM
Poland have been awful. Not sure if its tactics or what
Argentina are one of the top teams . Poland are limited but they are considerable better than Denmark and Wales.
Poland are awful to watch, so negative
Handy route to a semi final for Argentina now, Ozzies then Usa or Holland. Them and Brazil in semi if both go through!
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 30, 2022, 09:14:16 PM
Poland are awful to watch, so negative
Had to laugh at Ray Houghton give out about the way Poland went about their business trying to qualify tonight. The Republic of Ireland teams he was part of did the exact same thing to qualify for the knockout stages in 1990 and 1994.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 30, 2022, 08:49:12 PM
They draw lots. (Said that on bbc one)
since the stadums are very close my thoughts it would be better to have them go to some stadium tomorrow morning and have a penalty shootout better than lots.
They had lots in Italia 90 between Ireland and Holland to see which teams they played in the last 16
Felt sorry for Mexico. Made me think though in the history of the world cup has a country underperformed more than Mexico?Because concacaf is shite they are guaranteed qualifying yet when they are at the finals they never do anything. They have a massive football crazy population. The ideal demographic young and poor but their record is pretty ropey
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 30, 2022, 09:06:54 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 30, 2022, 09:01:56 PM
Saudi Arabia beating Argentina counted for nothing with Argentina finishing top and Saudis bottom.
You always live up to your username
;D harsh!
I bet Croatia will beat Belgium
Quote from: seafoid on December 01, 2022, 12:38:01 PM
I bet Croatia will beat Belgium
They'd be fairly warm favourites would they not? Belgium have been shite. Wouldn't be surprised if Canada beat Morocco then Belgium beat Croatia
Morocco have been impressive but then so have Canada. Hope Morocco get through at Belgium expense
Not all seems well in the Belgium camp (theyll prob win 3 0 now lol)
Croatia awarded a peno until the ref changes his mind.
Big chance missed by Lukaku.
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 01, 2022, 04:49:54 PM
Big chance missed by Lukaku.
Belgium bringing on a clearly unfit Lukaku is desperate. Worse than being a man down.
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 01, 2022, 04:49:54 PM
Big chance missed by Lukaku.
Hat-trick of sitters missed. If he was kept on the bench and those chances fell to someone else?
Belgium out. Morocco top.
Glad to see those frickin' Belgians go out. Always were a vastly overrated team
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 01, 2022, 04:56:48 PM
Glad to see those frickin' Belgians go out. Always were a vastly overrated team
They got to the semi finals in 2018
Today was their Aughrim
Quote from: seafoid on December 01, 2022, 05:11:25 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 01, 2022, 04:56:48 PM
Glad to see those frickin' Belgians go out. Always were a vastly overrated team
They got to the semi finals in 2018
Today was their Aughrim
Yeah and they were overrated then too
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 01, 2022, 05:17:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 01, 2022, 05:11:25 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 01, 2022, 04:56:48 PM
Glad to see those frickin' Belgians go out. Always were a vastly overrated team
They got to the semi finals in 2018
Today was their Aughrim
Yeah and they were overrated then too
They were 6th favourites to win in 2018 with most bookies. I'd say they were at that time rated accurately.
How Martinez managed to stay in his job after underachieving with the players at his disposal, I'll never know
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 01, 2022, 05:38:14 PM
How Martinez managed to stay in his job after underachieving with the players at his disposal, I'll never know
I'd imagine he'd still be in the running for any lower PL jobs that come up. For arguments sake, if Kenny was gone, would he be a candidate for our job.
What annoyed be about Belgium was they showed towards the end of the game that they have the ability to attack, they just chose not to do so earlier.
Germany 1/12. They ain't playing like a team that's 1/12
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 01, 2022, 05:38:14 PM
How Martinez managed to stay in his job after underachieving with the players at his disposal, I'll never know
Agreed. Hes gone now tho no surprise
Hope these women refs know the offside rule ;)
This is the worst German team I've ever watched
Japan equalise, Germany going out as it stands.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 01, 2022, 07:45:27 PM
This is the worst German team I've ever watched
It's some comedown since 2014. They didn't qualify from their group in 2018.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/63788547
Quote from: laoislad on December 01, 2022, 08:05:46 PM
Japan equalise, Germany going out as it stands.
2-1 ahead now
Quote from: laoislad on December 01, 2022, 08:05:46 PM
Japan equalise, Germany going out as it stands.
Ball looked out.
That looked like the whole of the ball was over the line.
Are Spain realising that they'd rather play Morocco than Croatia?
Goal line technology or just the VAR freeze framing it
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 01, 2022, 08:11:45 PM
Are Spain realising that they'd rather play Morocco than Croatia?
Was just thinking that!
Sure ball was out a foot and a half in the Germany game for a German corner and the lines woman was way behind the play.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 01, 2022, 08:15:11 PM
Sure ball was out a foot and a half in the Germany game for a German corner and the lines woman was way behind the play.
Did it lead to a goal?
Spain could go out if Costa Rica score again!
And people said this World Cup has been boring! Been great the last few nights.
Teams should have a right to a VAR appeal, to a supreme VAR who can rule on the regular VAR appointee's decision.
Best. World cup. Ever.
Quote from: laoislad on December 01, 2022, 08:17:15 PM
Spain could go out if Costa Rica score again!
And people said this World Cup has been boring! Been great the last few nights.
Agree. Starting to really get going now that the matches have a bit of jeopardy, especially for some of the established nations.
Spain will engineer a soft penalty to level...
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 01, 2022, 08:21:58 PM
Best. World cup. Ever.
Worst workd cup so far in my opinion. Hopefully picks up in the knockout stages
If Costa rica could manage a win this would have to go down as the greatest night of world cup football
Holy f**k Costa Rica score.
Costa Rica have scored again
Shit got real now.
Fcuk me the german defence is a shambles. Neuer wtf.....
As it stands Spain and Germany out of the World Cup. Unbelievable Jeff!
Who had Japan and Costa Rica to get out of that group???
Costa Rica were 25/1! Looked at it and thought about it lol
FIFA need to get the fix in fast, or else!!
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 01, 2022, 07:45:27 PM
This is the worst German team I've ever watched
They must be shite if they're starting Muller. He must be about 55 by now, and hasn't scored in 18 years
Lads all this isn't good as England will be left with noone in their way ffs
See a picture shared of the Japan 2nd Goal been def over the line. Can't seem to upload on this.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 01, 2022, 08:41:29 PM
Lads all this isn't good as England will be left with noone in their way ffs
England have England in their way....they will conspire to f**k it up no matter what!
Does the goal line technology not cover the end line or is it just between the posts?
When Spain are closed down like Japan are doing, they are very ordinary
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 01, 2022, 08:51:46 PM
Does the goal line technology not cover the end line or is it just between the posts?
Between posts
Fair play to Japan beat both Germany and Spain to top the group and reach the knock out stages.
Delighted for Japan but their winning goal should never have stood.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 01, 2022, 08:52:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 01, 2022, 08:51:46 PM
Does the goal line technology not cover the end line or is it just between the posts?
Between posts
ITV saying that the goal line cameras will have picked it up.
Souness is seriously pissed at his hyped up dream team losing, "show us the pictures of Japan's goal"!!!
I got a picture and can't upload it, ahhh!!
Quote from: laoislad on December 01, 2022, 08:58:39 PM
Delighted for Japan but their winning goal should never have stood.
The bizarre thing is that there can be grass between the ball and line, but when viewed from above the overhang of the ball is not fully over the line. That's what happened here. So seemingly correct decision, but the rule should be changed!
Ball out but some crap about the ball in the air???
Quote from: Hound on December 01, 2022, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 01, 2022, 08:58:39 PM
Delighted for Japan but their winning goal should never have stood.
The bizarre thing is that there can be grass between the ball and line, but when viewed from above the overhang of the ball is not fully over the line. That's what happened here. So seemingly correct decision, but the rule should be changed!
There must be mm in it.
Another angle for those on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/danmullen/status/1598422776838234115?t=DH208YMShV7PECp-lE8qmQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/danmullen/status/1598422776838234115?t=DH208YMShV7PECp-lE8qmQ&s=19)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 01, 2022, 09:04:46 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 01, 2022, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 01, 2022, 08:58:39 PM
Delighted for Japan but their winning goal should never have stood.
The bizarre thing is that there can be grass between the ball and line, but when viewed from above the overhang of the ball is not fully over the line. That's what happened here. So seemingly correct decision, but the rule should be changed!
There must be mm in it.
Where is the image from above?
Quote from: Main Street on December 01, 2022, 09:06:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 01, 2022, 09:04:46 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 01, 2022, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 01, 2022, 08:58:39 PM
Delighted for Japan but their winning goal should never have stood.
The bizarre thing is that there can be grass between the ball and line, but when viewed from above the overhang of the ball is not fully over the line. That's what happened here. So seemingly correct decision, but the rule should be changed!
There must be mm in it.
Where is the image from above?
See link above.
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 01, 2022, 08:52:47 PM
When Spain are closed down like Japan are doing, they are very ordinary
They have a few players playing out of position. They aren't much to write home about.
They are like Armagh 12 years after the all-Ireland.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 01, 2022, 09:08:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 01, 2022, 09:06:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 01, 2022, 09:04:46 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 01, 2022, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 01, 2022, 08:58:39 PM
Delighted for Japan but their winning goal should never have stood.
The bizarre thing is that there can be grass between the ball and line, but when viewed from above the overhang of the ball is not fully over the line. That's what happened here. So seemingly correct decision, but the rule should be changed!
There must be mm in it.
Where is the image from above?
See link above.
Ahh sooo.
Somebody send that image to Souness, he's peddling FIFA conspiracy theories.
As Walton said on ITV, there's a misconception that you only look at the part of the ball touching the ground. That pic from above shows that the whole of the ball is not over the whole of the line (by about a millimeter!)
Quote from: Main Street on December 01, 2022, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 01, 2022, 09:08:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 01, 2022, 09:06:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 01, 2022, 09:04:46 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 01, 2022, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 01, 2022, 08:58:39 PM
Delighted for Japan but their winning goal should never have stood.
The bizarre thing is that there can be grass between the ball and line, but when viewed from above the overhang of the ball is not fully over the line. That's what happened here. So seemingly correct decision, but the rule should be changed!
There must be mm in it.
Where is the image from above?
See link above.
Ahh sooo.
Somebody send that image to Souness, he's peddling FIFA conspiracy theories.
He must have had money on Spain topping the group!
Pic I got from other side, not above, the ball well out.
Quote from: Main Street on December 01, 2022, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 01, 2022, 09:08:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 01, 2022, 09:06:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 01, 2022, 09:04:46 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 01, 2022, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 01, 2022, 08:58:39 PM
Delighted for Japan but their winning goal should never have stood.
The bizarre thing is that there can be grass between the ball and line, but when viewed from above the overhang of the ball is not fully over the line. That's what happened here. So seemingly correct decision, but the rule should be changed!
There must be mm in it.
Where is the image from above?
See link above.
Ahh sooo.
Somebody send that image to Souness, he's peddling FIFA conspiracy theories.
Aye because it's not like fifa to be caught up in conspiracies
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 01, 2022, 09:13:43 PM
Pic I got from other side, not above, the ball well out.
It's the same ball
The camera above the line shows the curve of the ball is breaking the line, right decision.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 01, 2022, 09:13:43 PM
Pic I got from other side, not above, the ball well out.
Pm me and I'll send you a pic of me holding the moon
Souness is going to have another heart attack, raving like a balloon on TV
Had the games ended with both Japan and Germany on same points would Germany go through based on?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
Souness is going to have another heart attack, raving like a balloon on TV
Had the games ended with both Japan and Germany on same points would Germany go through based on?
Spain would have had to score a goal to draw the match in order for Japan and Germany to end up even on points, therefore Germany would have had a better goal average and ended up in 2nd place and into the last 16.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2022, 09:23:49 PM
Souness is going to have another heart attack, raving like a balloon on TV
Had the games ended with both Japan and Germany on same points would Germany go through based on?
I don't think he had a heart attack before , but he had a bypass
Anyway , Had Spain equalised, Germany Would have went through
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 01, 2022, 09:18:40 PM
The camera above the line shows the curve of the ball is breaking the line, right decision.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fi6__tdWIAoHfdw?format=jpg&name=small)
Spain are into Englands half of the draw which should make it tougher for England which is all that counts.
In real time I thought it was out but I noticed the linesman who was on the other side didn't flag. Also the ref seemed to wait before blowing his whistle. I wonder was this a case that VAR thought they didn't have clear evidence and so went with the on field decision.
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 01, 2022, 09:37:33 PM
Spain are into Englands half of the draw which should make it tougher for England which is all that counts.
Think England would beat Spain but hopefully France get there first in the QF. It's no handy run like they had in 2018 anyway
Quote from: David McKeown on December 01, 2022, 09:41:24 PM
In real time I thought it was out but I noticed the linesman who was on the other side didn't flag. Also the ref seemed to wait before blowing his whistle. I wonder was this a case that VAR thought they didn't have clear evidence and so went with the on field decision.
It looked like the Japan players also thought it was out.
In rugby union or league any part of the ball even touching the line is ruled out, am Happy Japan are through, they deserved it,
Quote from: Kidder81 on December 01, 2022, 09:48:45 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 01, 2022, 09:37:33 PM
Spain are into Englands half of the draw which should make it tougher for England which is all that counts.
Think England would beat Spain but hopefully France get there first in the QF. It's no handy run like they had in 2018 anyway
I'm hoping Senegal will get there in the second round
It's a ridiculous decision if it was called out based on those photos noone would have said a thing. If that was the goal line is that no goal then - almost Lampard territory ;D
A by product of the strict/excessive added time at this world cup is that Germany had about 3 minutes where they knew the result of the other match. I'd have loved to see them score 3 own goals to put Spain out, just out of spite
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 01, 2022, 10:09:13 PM
It's a ridiculous decision if it was called out based on those photos noone would have said a thing. If that was the goal line is that no goal then - almost Lampard territory ;D
If it was called out based on the photos, which show it wasn't out, I think some people might have said something.
It wasn't out and the two best teams are through..
Germany have been dung, Spain lost momentum and couldn't break down a really hard working team.
Has been a great few final round of games
World Cup organisers are increasingly open to discarding the new three-team group format for the 2026 tournament in the US, Mexico and Canada. It comes after concerns that too many dead rubbers in the last round of matches could dilute the expanded, 48-team event.
Although Fifa's official position remains unaltered, multiple sources say there have been "informal talks" and "corridor chats" in Doha about the benefits of going with 12 groups of four teams rather than 16 groups of three.
That could lead to a 104-game World Cup if the top two in each group, plus the best eight third-placed sides, go through to a 32-team knockout stage – which is 40 more than will be played at Qatar 2022.
if they go with that format it will be ridiculous 104 games is too much unless they play earlier group games at same time or extend tournament to like 5 or 6 weeks a month seems long enough already might aswell have a 64 team straight knockout if they do this.12 groups of 4 also brings in the best 3rd place teams bs like the euros which will make the group stage even easier for the big teams because of seeding and more weaker teams in the wc.
Absolute storm in a teacup stuff. Looks like ref got the (very tight) call right so don't get people drumming up controversy over it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 01, 2022, 10:01:45 PM
In rugby union or league any part of the ball even touching the line is ruled out, am Happy Japan are through, they deserved it,
Slightly more convoluted than that as the position of the player in possession matters as well in rugby. American football too. Ball can very clearly be inside the lines but legally in touch/out of bounds if the player has a foot on our outside the line.
Quote from: Hound on December 01, 2022, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 01, 2022, 08:58:39 PM
Delighted for Japan but their winning goal should never have stood.
The bizarre thing is that there can be grass between the ball and line, but when viewed from above the overhang of the ball is not fully over the line. That's what happened here. So seemingly correct decision, but the rule should be changed!
What's bizarre about it? It's simple geometry. Why should it be changed? The rule is clear and always has been and had never been controversial until ITV and Souness started kicking up a fuss about it there tonight.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 01, 2022, 10:09:13 PM
If that was the goal line is that no goal then - almost Lampard territory ;D
Of course it would be no goal.
Unfortunately this is just capitalism doing what capitalism does. When something is successful, expand, expand, expand. Bleed every last artery, fill every last orifice, then blame anyone, anything else when things get so overwhelming and confused, that the heart can't cope.
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If they're going to go to 48, they should go to 64 straightaway. That's where they're going to end up and it makes more sense. It would allow 4-5 host countries to be granted byes to the finals. It would mean 127 games that have to be organised, but it would also mean only one extra match for the players than in the current system, and as long as people can get onboard with concurrent games being okay to the world, and starting midweek not being the end of the world, it would see a tournament that's only half a week longer to play out.
Last couple of days going against the idea of us looking more European representation, 2 of the supposed better teams from Europe in Belgium and Germany embarrassed in the groups, plus last years Euro winners not even qualified. Still fancy France or maybe Portugal to win it though and that other shower to go deep.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 01, 2022, 11:21:25 PM
Unfortunately this is just capitalism doing what capitalism does. When something is successful, expand, expand, expand. Bleed every last artery, fill every last orifice, then blame anyone, anything else when things get so overwhelming and confused, that the heart can't cope.
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If they're going to go to 48, they should go to 64 straightaway. That's where they're going to end up and it makes more sense. It would allow 4-5 host countries to be granted byes to the finals. It would mean 127 games that have to be organised, but it would also mean only one extra match for the players than in the current system, and as long as people can get onboard with concurrent games being okay to the world, and starting midweek not being the end of the world, it would see a tournament that's only half a week longer to play out.
Can't wait for Saudi Arabia-UAE-Bahrain-Qatar-China 2034
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
Last couple of days going against the idea of us looking more European representation, 2 of the supposed better teams from Europe in Belgium and Germany embarrassed in the groups, plus last years Euro winners not even qualified. Still fancy France or maybe Portugal to win it though and that other shower to go deep.
Last years euros winners not qualifying surely shows why there should be more representation from Europe, not less. We are still looking at 6 of the last 8 being from Europe. Possible exception being USA making it 5. 2 of those 6 are in Ireland's next qualifying group. Thankfully in Euros there is a back door. Smaller European nations get screwed in this World Cup qualifying system.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
Last couple of days going against the idea of us looking more European representation, 2 of the supposed better teams from Europe in Belgium and Germany embarrassed in the groups, plus last years Euro winners not even qualified. Still fancy France or maybe Portugal to win it though and that other shower to go deep.
England and France will meet in the quarters, so that's as deep as they will go if France win it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 01, 2022, 10:01:45 PM
In rugby union or league any part of the ball even touching the line is ruled out, am Happy Japan are through, they deserved it,
but also in Rugby (both codes) if the ball is airborne and way over the line and as long as the players feet are inside the line, the ball is still in play, wouldn't work in soccer.
The Germans have no one to blame but themselves irrespective of how many mm of the ball was cutting over the line.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 01, 2022, 11:21:25 PM
Unfortunately this is just capitalism doing what capitalism does. When something is successful, expand, expand, expand. Bleed every last artery, fill every last orifice, then blame anyone, anything else when things get so overwhelming and confused, that the heart can't cope.
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If they're going to go to 48, they should go to 64 straightaway. That's where they're going to end up and it makes more sense. It would allow 4-5 host countries to be granted byes to the finals. It would mean 127 games that have to be organised, but it would also mean only one extra match for the players than in the current system, and as long as people can get onboard with concurrent games being okay to the world, and starting midweek not being the end of the world, it would see a tournament that's only half a week longer to play out.
We need a Tailteann Cup. Keep the minnows of Ireland, San Marino and Andorra interested.
Quote from: shark on December 02, 2022, 08:27:03 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
Last couple of days going against the idea of us looking more European representation, 2 of the supposed better teams from Europe in Belgium and Germany embarrassed in the groups, plus last years Euro winners not even qualified. Still fancy France or maybe Portugal to win it though and that other shower to go deep.
Last years euros winners not qualifying surely shows why there should be more representation from Europe, not less. We are still looking at 6 of the last 8 being from Europe. Possible exception being USA making it 5. 2 of those 6 are in Ireland's next qualifying group. Thankfully in Euros there is a back door. Smaller European nations get screwed in this World Cup qualifying system.
13/32 places is grand for UEFA in a World Cup. Italy winning the Euros is irrelevant. They shat the bed in qualifying, end of story. Could just as easily make a spurious argument about how shit the likes of Wales, Germany, Denmark and Belgium have been, therefore they've no business being there.
Quote from: gallsman on December 02, 2022, 09:40:08 AM
Quote from: shark on December 02, 2022, 08:27:03 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
Last couple of days going against the idea of us looking more European representation, 2 of the supposed better teams from Europe in Belgium and Germany embarrassed in the groups, plus last years Euro winners not even qualified. Still fancy France or maybe Portugal to win it though and that other shower to go deep.
Last years euros winners not qualifying surely shows why there should be more representation from Europe, not less. We are still looking at 6 of the last 8 being from Europe. Possible exception being USA making it 5. 2 of those 6 are in Ireland's next qualifying group. Thankfully in Euros there is a back door. Smaller European nations get screwed in this World Cup qualifying system.
13/32 places is grand for UEFA in a World Cup. Italy winning the Euros is irrelevant. They shat the bed in qualifying, end of story. Could just as easily make a spurious argument about how shit the likes of Wales, Germany, Denmark and Belgium have been, therefore they've no business being there.
And what about 16/48 ?
There will always be teams that underperform in a tournament that runs over a few weeks. The point I'm making is about qualification. At least half of the European places are picked up by teams in the top 10 in the world. The rest are fighting over crumbs, while 60% of South American teams will be there, along with an additional 4 Asian teams. Even Oman will piss through.
Which is worse for a status team- not to qualify or to qualify but not make it to the second round ?
Quote from: gallsman on December 02, 2022, 09:40:08 AM
Quote from: shark on December 02, 2022, 08:27:03 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
Last couple of days going against the idea of us looking more European representation, 2 of the supposed better teams from Europe in Belgium and Germany embarrassed in the groups, plus last years Euro winners not even qualified. Still fancy France or maybe Portugal to win it though and that other shower to go deep.
Last years euros winners not qualifying surely shows why there should be more representation from Europe, not less. We are still looking at 6 of the last 8 being from Europe. Possible exception being USA making it 5. 2 of those 6 are in Ireland's next qualifying group. Thankfully in Euros there is a back door. Smaller European nations get screwed in this World Cup qualifying system.
13/32 places is grand for UEFA in a World Cup. Italy winning the Euros is irrelevant. They shat the bed in qualifying, end of story. Could just as easily make a spurious argument about how shit the likes of Wales, Germany, Denmark and Belgium have been, therefore they've no business being there.
Italy were unbeaten in their group. They lost one match against Macedonia and that was that, out. Have you seen the shit the likes of Australia play in Asia it would make non- league teams blush. World qualifying is the way forward and if the rest of the world is catching up well then they will be rewarded with even more places as of right and not as of some contrived shit from FIFA to rig it for marketing.
Quote from: Eire90 on December 01, 2022, 11:05:11 PM
World Cup organisers are increasingly open to discarding the new three-team group format for the 2026 tournament in the US, Mexico and Canada. It comes after concerns that too many dead rubbers in the last round of matches could dilute the expanded, 48-team event.
Although Fifa's official position remains unaltered, multiple sources say there have been "informal talks" and "corridor chats" in Doha about the benefits of going with 12 groups of four teams rather than 16 groups of three.
That could lead to a 104-game World Cup if the top two in each group, plus the best eight third-placed sides, go through to a 32-team knockout stage – which is 40 more than will be played at Qatar 2022.
In a 3 team group with 2 qualifying, they'd need to make sure that whoever wins the first group game plays in the second group game. Then the 3rd group game should never be a dead rubber. If the first game is a draw, then the top seed plays the second game.
I think the main problem would be the potential for teams to be exactly level of goal difference, e.g. three 1-1 draws.
Van Basten has raised the idea of draws going straight to pen shootouts, with the winner of the shootout getting 2 points and the loser 1. Seems like a good idea for the purpose of that tournament.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 02, 2022, 10:40:49 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 02, 2022, 09:40:08 AM
Quote from: shark on December 02, 2022, 08:27:03 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
Last couple of days going against the idea of us looking more European representation, 2 of the supposed better teams from Europe in Belgium and Germany embarrassed in the groups, plus last years Euro winners not even qualified. Still fancy France or maybe Portugal to win it though and that other shower to go deep.
Last years euros winners not qualifying surely shows why there should be more representation from Europe, not less. We are still looking at 6 of the last 8 being from Europe. Possible exception being USA making it 5. 2 of those 6 are in Ireland's next qualifying group. Thankfully in Euros there is a back door. Smaller European nations get screwed in this World Cup qualifying system.
13/32 places is grand for UEFA in a World Cup. Italy winning the Euros is irrelevant. They shat the bed in qualifying, end of story. Could just as easily make a spurious argument about how shit the likes of Wales, Germany, Denmark and Belgium have been, therefore they've no business being there.
Italy were unbeaten in their group. They lost one match against Macedonia and that was that, out. Have you seen the shit the likes of Australia play in Asia it would make non- league teams blush. World qualifying is the way forward and if the rest of the world is catching up well then they will be rewarded with even more places as of right and not as of some contrived shit from FIFA to rig it for marketing.
Unbeaten does not equal a decent team. And lets be honest if you can't beat Macedonia you have no business at a world cup.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 10:49:05 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 02, 2022, 10:40:49 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 02, 2022, 09:40:08 AM
Quote from: shark on December 02, 2022, 08:27:03 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
Last couple of days going against the idea of us looking more European representation, 2 of the supposed better teams from Europe in Belgium and Germany embarrassed in the groups, plus last years Euro winners not even qualified. Still fancy France or maybe Portugal to win it though and that other shower to go deep.
Last years euros winners not qualifying surely shows why there should be more representation from Europe, not less. We are still looking at 6 of the last 8 being from Europe. Possible exception being USA making it 5. 2 of those 6 are in Ireland's next qualifying group. Thankfully in Euros there is a back door. Smaller European nations get screwed in this World Cup qualifying system.
13/32 places is grand for UEFA in a World Cup. Italy winning the Euros is irrelevant. They shat the bed in qualifying, end of story. Could just as easily make a spurious argument about how shit the likes of Wales, Germany, Denmark and Belgium have been, therefore they've no business being there.
Italy were unbeaten in their group. They lost one match against Macedonia and that was that, out. Have you seen the shit the likes of Australia play in Asia it would make non- league teams blush. World qualifying is the way forward and if the rest of the world is catching up well then they will be rewarded with even more places as of right and not as of some contrived shit from FIFA to rig it for marketing.
Unbeaten does not equal a decent team. And lets be honest if you can't beat Macedonia you have no business at a world cup.
Macedonia would qualify from Asia for 2026. Easily.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 02, 2022, 10:40:49 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 02, 2022, 09:40:08 AM
Quote from: shark on December 02, 2022, 08:27:03 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
Last couple of days going against the idea of us looking more European representation, 2 of the supposed better teams from Europe in Belgium and Germany embarrassed in the groups, plus last years Euro winners not even qualified. Still fancy France or maybe Portugal to win it though and that other shower to go deep.
Last years euros winners not qualifying surely shows why there should be more representation from Europe, not less. We are still looking at 6 of the last 8 being from Europe. Possible exception being USA making it 5. 2 of those 6 are in Ireland's next qualifying group. Thankfully in Euros there is a back door. Smaller European nations get screwed in this World Cup qualifying system.
13/32 places is grand for UEFA in a World Cup. Italy winning the Euros is irrelevant. They shat the bed in qualifying, end of story. Could just as easily make a spurious argument about how shit the likes of Wales, Germany, Denmark and Belgium have been, therefore they've no business being there.
Italy were unbeaten in their group. They lost one match against Macedonia and that was that, out. Have you seen the shit the likes of Australia play in Asia it would make non- league teams blush. World qualifying is the way forward and if the rest of the world is catching up well then they will be rewarded with even more places as of right and not as of some contrived shit from FIFA to rig it for marketing.
In fairness they came second in their group and only 30% of second placed teams qualified. Scotland and Ukraine also had the mi adh.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 10:49:05 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 02, 2022, 10:40:49 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 02, 2022, 09:40:08 AM
Quote from: shark on December 02, 2022, 08:27:03 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
Last couple of days going against the idea of us looking more European representation, 2 of the supposed better teams from Europe in Belgium and Germany embarrassed in the groups, plus last years Euro winners not even qualified. Still fancy France or maybe Portugal to win it though and that other shower to go deep.
Last years euros winners not qualifying surely shows why there should be more representation from Europe, not less. We are still looking at 6 of the last 8 being from Europe. Possible exception being USA making it 5. 2 of those 6 are in Ireland's next qualifying group. Thankfully in Euros there is a back door. Smaller European nations get screwed in this World Cup qualifying system.
13/32 places is grand for UEFA in a World Cup. Italy winning the Euros is irrelevant. They shat the bed in qualifying, end of story. Could just as easily make a spurious argument about how shit the likes of Wales, Germany, Denmark and Belgium have been, therefore they've no business being there.
Italy were unbeaten in their group. They lost one match against Macedonia and that was that, out. Have you seen the shit the likes of Australia play in Asia it would make non- league teams blush. World qualifying is the way forward and if the rest of the world is catching up well then they will be rewarded with even more places as of right and not as of some contrived shit from FIFA to rig it for marketing.
Unbeaten does not equal a decent team. And lets be honest if you can't beat Macedonia you have no business at a world cup.
Poor argument. Japan lost to Oman (Oman ffs) in the qualifiers and yet look at them now. Qatar are the actual current Asian champions. How? I have no idea
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 02, 2022, 10:40:49 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 02, 2022, 09:40:08 AM
Quote from: shark on December 02, 2022, 08:27:03 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
Last couple of days going against the idea of us looking more European representation, 2 of the supposed better teams from Europe in Belgium and Germany embarrassed in the groups, plus last years Euro winners not even qualified. Still fancy France or maybe Portugal to win it though and that other shower to go deep.
Last years euros winners not qualifying surely shows why there should be more representation from Europe, not less. We are still looking at 6 of the last 8 being from Europe. Possible exception being USA making it 5. 2 of those 6 are in Ireland's next qualifying group. Thankfully in Euros there is a back door. Smaller European nations get screwed in this World Cup qualifying system.
13/32 places is grand for UEFA in a World Cup. Italy winning the Euros is irrelevant. They shat the bed in qualifying, end of story. Could just as easily make a spurious argument about how shit the likes of Wales, Germany, Denmark and Belgium have been, therefore they've no business being there.
Italy were unbeaten in their group. They lost one match against Macedonia and that was that, out. Have you seen the shit the likes of Australia play in Asia it would make non- league teams blush. World qualifying is the way forward and if the rest of the world is catching up well then they will be rewarded with even more places as of right and not as of some contrived shit from FIFA to rig it for marketing.
Yes but Australia are in the second round and Denmark are out, finishing behind Tunisia by a 3 points ...
The world cup has shown that the teams from Asia and Africa can compete with the teams from Europe, Morocco and Japan topped their group. Ghana have a chance to get into the last 16as do Cameroon..
If France bate Germany and Spain in the group we'd all be saying its France's to lose, Japan did that and they will never get that recognition, just the fairy tale stuff
Been a good world cup for large parts
Quote from: seafoid on December 02, 2022, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 02, 2022, 10:40:49 AM
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Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
Last couple of days going against the idea of us looking more European representation, 2 of the supposed better teams from Europe in Belgium and Germany embarrassed in the groups, plus last years Euro winners not even qualified. Still fancy France or maybe Portugal to win it though and that other shower to go deep.
Last years euros winners not qualifying surely shows why there should be more representation from Europe, not less. We are still looking at 6 of the last 8 being from Europe. Possible exception being USA making it 5. 2 of those 6 are in Ireland's next qualifying group. Thankfully in Euros there is a back door. Smaller European nations get screwed in this World Cup qualifying system.
13/32 places is grand for UEFA in a World Cup. Italy winning the Euros is irrelevant. They shat the bed in qualifying, end of story. Could just as easily make a spurious argument about how shit the likes of Wales, Germany, Denmark and Belgium have been, therefore they've no business being there.
Italy were unbeaten in their group. They lost one match against Macedonia and that was that, out. Have you seen the shit the likes of Australia play in Asia it would make non- league teams blush. World qualifying is the way forward and if the rest of the world is catching up well then they will be rewarded with even more places as of right and not as of some contrived shit from FIFA to rig it for marketing.
In fairness they came second in their group and only 30% of second placed teams qualified. Scotland and Ukraine also had the mi adh.
That's the point though. Second still got you qualified back in the day before they realised they could milk more money with all the extra playoff games
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Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 08:06:48 AM
Last couple of days going against the idea of us looking more European representation, 2 of the supposed better teams from Europe in Belgium and Germany embarrassed in the groups, plus last years Euro winners not even qualified. Still fancy France or maybe Portugal to win it though and that other shower to go deep.
Last years euros winners not qualifying surely shows why there should be more representation from Europe, not less. We are still looking at 6 of the last 8 being from Europe. Possible exception being USA making it 5. 2 of those 6 are in Ireland's next qualifying group. Thankfully in Euros there is a back door. Smaller European nations get screwed in this World Cup qualifying system.
13/32 places is grand for UEFA in a World Cup. Italy winning the Euros is irrelevant. They shat the bed in qualifying, end of story. Could just as easily make a spurious argument about how shit the likes of Wales, Germany, Denmark and Belgium have been, therefore they've no business being there.
Italy were unbeaten in their group. They lost one match against Macedonia and that was that, out. Have you seen the shit the likes of Australia play in Asia it would make non- league teams blush. World qualifying is the way forward and if the rest of the world is catching up well then they will be rewarded with even more places as of right and not as of some contrived shit from FIFA to rig it for marketing.
In fairness they came second in their group and only 30% of second placed teams qualified. Scotland and Ukraine also had the mi adh.
That's the point though. Second still got you qualified back in the day before they realised they could milk more money with all the extra playoff games
There are 10 groups. 6 would make more sense. Top 2 and no quailifiers
On the goal I see a lot of complaints that VAR awarded the goal without conclusive proof particularly from Souness who keeps calling for conclusive proof the ball was in. Is that not the wrong way to frame things. What I mean is surely if the on field officials think the ball is out the game stops and the goal kick is awarded. The goal then can't be given because the game has been stopped.
So in order to award the goal the goal must have been given and VAR would have had to have evidence to over turn it. So conclusive proof it was in isnt need and/or doesn't exist.
Quote from: David McKeown on December 02, 2022, 12:27:54 PM
On the goal I see a lot of complaints that VAR awarded the goal without conclusive proof particularly from Souness who keeps calling for conclusive proof the ball was in. Is that not the wrong way to frame things. What I mean is surely if the on field officials think the ball is out the game stops and the goal kick is awarded. The goal then can't be given because the game has been stopped.
So in order to award the goal the goal must have been given and VAR would have had to have evidence to over turn it. So conclusive proof it was in isnt need and/or doesn't exist.
yeah surely conclusive proof of it being out would be needed in order to overturn the original decision. Haven't seen anything clear either way mysef tbh. Had to be very very fine margin
it seemed to me spain try to be like the old spain with tiki taka but they dont have the players to do it
Did the ref blow before the ball was in the net? Did the Linesman keep his flag down?
No
Yes
(From memory)
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 02, 2022, 01:49:28 PM
No
Yes
(From memory)
So using VAR was the right and in the end correct thing to do. Case closed.
Would loved to have seen Keane in the room with Grahame and for him just to pedantic and go opposite to Grahame ;D
It had to go to VAR. I would imagine that's why the linesman wouldn't touch it wrt putting the flag up.
However then you have the scenario of the Argentinian penalty where you go to VAR, the ref spends ages analysing it and despite being completely wrong gives the penalty anyway!!
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 02, 2022, 01:58:31 PM
It had to go to VAR. I would imagine that's why the linesman wouldn't touch it wrt putting the flag up.
However then you have the scenario of the Argentinian penalty where you go to VAR, the ref spends ages analysing it and despite being completely wrong gives the penalty anyway!!
I think he was pushed, the pressure from the importance of the match was probably above anything he's done before, that finger hitting a player is the least amount ever. Keepers coming flat out with two fists getting ball man and all will be looked at more now if we are basing penalties on that one
Uruguay name 2 goalkeepers in their starting 11 for the game against Ghana.
Eh?
Quote from: dec on December 02, 2022, 02:52:00 PM
Uruguay name 2 goalkeepers in their starting 11 for the game against Ghana.
They have been very poor so this may work!!
Think it's a saurez joke being made
Quote from: dec on December 02, 2022, 02:52:00 PM
Uruguay name 2 goalkeepers in their starting 11 for the game against Ghana.
Suarez!! (from 2010)
Must be played on an ice rink this game
Serious amount of throwing themselves to the ground
Embarrassing
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 02, 2022, 03:50:16 PM
Must be played on an ice rink this game
Serious amount of throwing themselves to the ground
Embarrassing
Are you new to this soccer craic?
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 02, 2022, 03:52:17 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 02, 2022, 03:50:16 PM
Must be played on an ice rink this game
Serious amount of throwing themselves to the ground
Embarrassing
Are you new to this soccer craic?
Certainly not but this a new level
Lot of respect for Uruguay and what theyve done from such a small nation but theyre deffo up there as the worst for all this carry on. Esp now theyre ahead.
Sure they played Scotland in 86(?) only needin a draw and it was dire
Good riddance to Uruguay,
Suarez bawling like a baby, your heart bleeds...
No team with 3 wins out of 3 yet, just Brazil left.
Why did they take off Suarez and the goalscorer? Spain did the same with morata and nearly went out because of it. Madness
Quote from: blasmere on December 02, 2022, 05:08:36 PM
Suarez bawling like a baby, your heart bleeds...
No goal for him, Cavani and Núnez in this world cup. Out on goal difference.
Cavani should've surely got a penalty near the end.... Great end to the game.
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 02, 2022, 05:13:57 PM
Cavani should've surely got a penalty near the end.... Great end to the game.
Ref didn't even go to var ffs. What's the point of having it
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 02, 2022, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 02, 2022, 05:13:57 PM
Cavani should've surely got a penalty near the end.... Great end to the game.
Ref didn't even go to var ffs. What's the point of having it
Because it was y a penalty and he tried to con the ref?
Out and good riddance, loving how well they took it at the end
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 02, 2022, 05:11:31 PM
Quote from: blasmere on December 02, 2022, 05:08:36 PM
Suarez bawling like a baby, your heart bleeds...
No goal for him, Cavani and Núnez in this world cup. Out on goal difference.
As a Liverpool fan worryingly Nunez has sh..e in this tournament, even worse all the Man U players have been impressive.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 05:33:26 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 02, 2022, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 02, 2022, 05:13:57 PM
Cavani should've surely got a penalty near the end.... Great end to the game.
Ref didn't even go to var ffs. What's the point of having it
Because it was y a penalty and he tried to con the ref?
Out and good riddance, loving how well they took it at the end
it was more a penalty than some that have been given in the tournament.
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on December 02, 2022, 05:38:08 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 02, 2022, 05:11:31 PM
Quote from: blasmere on December 02, 2022, 05:08:36 PM
Suarez bawling like a baby, your heart bleeds...
No goal for him, Cavani and Núnez in this world cup. Out on goal difference.
As a Liverpool fan worryingly Nunez has sh..e in this tournament, even worse all the Man U players have been impressive.
Wouldn't be worried about any of the above, don't see how it will make any difference when they go back to their clubs.
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 02, 2022, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 05:33:26 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 02, 2022, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 02, 2022, 05:13:57 PM
Cavani should've surely got a penalty near the end.... Great end to the game.
Ref didn't even go to var ffs. What's the point of having it
Because it was y a penalty and he tried to con the ref?
Out and good riddance, loving how well they took it at the end
it was more a penalty than some that have been given in the tournament.
Possibly yes, but this time the ref had the balls to stick to his call
I see Gary Lineker is back to loving the world cup again.
"This world cup just keeps giving."
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 02, 2022, 05:53:37 PM
I see Gary Lineker is back to loving the world cup again.
"This world cup just keeps giving."
He did his wee bit at the very start for likes and kudos but has moved on
Quote from: laoislad on December 02, 2022, 06:04:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 02, 2022, 05:53:37 PM
I see Gary Lineker is back to loving the world cup again.
"This world cup just keeps giving."
Tbf the matches this week have been great.
I cant remember a better last round of group matches. So many groups going right down to the wire.
Brazil 9 changes already topping the group so expect them bate
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 02, 2022, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 02, 2022, 06:04:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 02, 2022, 05:53:37 PM
I see Gary Lineker is back to loving the world cup again.
"This world cup just keeps giving."
Tbf the matches this week have been great.
I cant remember a better last round of group matches. So many groups going right down to the wire.
48 team tournament will likely lose a lot of drama we have seen in this World cup.
probably wont get this drama at next world cup the only good thing is an extra knockout round so it will feel more of fa cup for nations tournament.
Samba stuff from Brazil, Cameroon still dangerous if they get a sniff off the ball
Bit of a snoozefest thus far. Hopefully it livens up.
Anyone notice how rude Messi was when Lewandowski went to him late in the game yesterday?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 02, 2022, 07:13:26 PM
Bit of a snoozefest thus far. Hopefully it livens up.
Other game is decent
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 02, 2022, 07:13:26 PM
Bit of a snoozefest thus far. Hopefully it livens up.
Serbia Switzerland is the game to be watching
Serbs are right up for this.
Quote from: laoislad on December 02, 2022, 07:38:47 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 02, 2022, 07:13:26 PM
Bit of a snoozefest thus far. Hopefully it livens up.
Serbia Switzerland is the game to be watching
End to end stuff
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2022, 07:36:00 PM
Anyone notice how rude Messi was when Lewandowski went to him late in the game yesterday?
Noticed that myself. No idea why, or maybe we are just reading too much in to it and there isn't anything to it.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 02, 2022, 07:36:56 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 02, 2022, 07:13:26 PM
Bit of a snoozefest thus far. Hopefully it livens up.
Other game is decent
Just switched in time for the 4th goal. Much better.
After 76 minutes, Serbia need 2 goals to qualify
ITV have an unrivaled ability of picking the wrong game to showcase. They just couldn't see past the name Brazil, even though every man and his dog knew they'd rest most of their team.
Both games available in fairness
Brazils second team having no issues, Cameroon having needed to win haven't really tried
Until now lol
Xhaka and Shaqiri enjoyed that. Good enough for the Serbs and their flegs.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 02, 2022, 08:41:53 PM
ITV have an unrivaled ability of picking the wrong game to showcase. They just couldn't see past the name Brazil, even though every man and his dog knew they'd rest most of their team.
thats why i watched the serbia v switzerland game on itv 4 they also seem to do this is majot tournaments when it comes to last game they will put on the most popular team because lots of casuals do not know how tournament works they see brazil and be like ohh ill watch them
Date Match Time (GMT / ET)
Sat, Dec. 3 Netherlands vs. USA 15:00 / 10:00
Sat, Dec. 3 Argentina vs. Australia 19:00 / 14:00
Sun, Dec. 4 France vs. Poland 15:00 / 10:00
Sun, Dec. 4 England vs. Senegal 19:00 / 14:00
Mon, Dec. 5 Japan vs. Croatia 15:00 / 10:00
Mon, Dec. 5 Brazil vs. South Korea 19:00 / 14:00
Tue, Dec. 6 Morocco vs. Spain 15:00 / 10:00
Tue, Dec. 6 Portugal vs. Switzerland 19:00 / 14:00
I think the 3 teams already through going to last group match all lost.
Quote from: dec on December 02, 2022, 09:08:22 PM
Date Match Time (GMT / ET)
Sat, Dec. 3 Netherlands vs. USA 15:00 / 10:00
Sat, Dec. 3 Argentina vs. Australia 19:00 / 14:00
Sun, Dec. 4 France vs. Poland 15:00 / 10:00
Sun, Dec. 4 England vs. Senegal 19:00 / 14:00
Mon, Dec. 5 Japan vs. Croatia 15:00 / 10:00
Mon, Dec. 5 Brazil vs. South Korea 19:00 / 14:00
Tue, Dec. 6 Morocco vs. Spain 15:00 / 10:00
Tue, Dec. 6 Portugal vs. Switzerland 19:00 / 14:00
I have a feeling USA will beat Netherlands
I have a suspicion too that....
Japan might beat Croatia
Morocco might beat Spain
On 27 Nov Japan were 500/1
Today they are 80/1
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/world-cup
Good riddance to Serbia.
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2022, 09:34:36 PM
Quote from: dec on December 02, 2022, 09:08:22 PM
Date Match Time (GMT / ET)
Sat, Dec. 3 Netherlands vs. USA 15:00 / 10:00
Sat, Dec. 3 Argentina vs. Australia 19:00 / 14:00
Sun, Dec. 4 France vs. Poland 15:00 / 10:00
Sun, Dec. 4 England vs. Senegal 19:00 / 14:00
Mon, Dec. 5 Japan vs. Croatia 15:00 / 10:00
Mon, Dec. 5 Brazil vs. South Korea 19:00 / 14:00
Tue, Dec. 6 Morocco vs. Spain 15:00 / 10:00
Tue, Dec. 6 Portugal vs. Switzerland 19:00 / 14:00
I have a feeling USA will beat Netherlands
I have a suspicion too that....
Japan might beat Croatia
Morocco might beat Spain
I just don't see the USA firepower for scoring. Would love to see it though.
Quote from: Puckoon on December 02, 2022, 10:14:37 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 02, 2022, 09:34:36 PM
Quote from: dec on December 02, 2022, 09:08:22 PM
Date Match Time (GMT / ET)
Sat, Dec. 3 Netherlands vs. USA 15:00 / 10:00
Sat, Dec. 3 Argentina vs. Australia 19:00 / 14:00
Sun, Dec. 4 France vs. Poland 15:00 / 10:00
Sun, Dec. 4 England vs. Senegal 19:00 / 14:00
Mon, Dec. 5 Japan vs. Croatia 15:00 / 10:00
Mon, Dec. 5 Brazil vs. South Korea 19:00 / 14:00
Tue, Dec. 6 Morocco vs. Spain 15:00 / 10:00
Tue, Dec. 6 Portugal vs. Switzerland 19:00 / 14:00
I have a feeling USA will beat Netherlands
I have a suspicion too that....
Japan might beat Croatia
Morocco might beat Spain
I just don't see the USA firepower for scoring. Would love to see it though.
They mightn't need to score. I can see s few matches being very cagey then going to ET and penalties
They will need to score the penos!
But yes, punchers chance. Solid across the back. Will be in the pub at 7am watching it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjAcfSZX0AUyV4z?format=jpg&name=small)
🇺🇾 Are very sore losers, maybe should got a penalty. But glad them dicks are gone. Heavy fines needed for their behaviour at the end.
Uruguay only have themselves to blame, they were very negative the first two games. Anytime they tried to play football, they were actually a decent outfit, but it was too little too late.
The only real complaint they could have was Portugal not playing a full strength team, leaving the likes of Bernardo and Bruno off the starting team. Not that anyone can blame Portugal, they do what's right for them. But it is the disadvantage of a 4 team group, meaning the likes of Brazil and Portugal could afford to rest players and give their last opponents an undeserved big advantage.
Everyone knows at the outset of the group that there's a decent chance the top teams will be through, or virtually through going into the last game. If a team doesn't take that into account in their planning for the earlier games, then, as you say, they have only themselves to blame.
Sad news on the World cup legend Pelé. Moved to end-of-life care in hospital, reportedly no longer responding to chemotherapy treatment.
Naive by US. Streetwise Dutch.
Both Dutch goals the same, cross to incoming player. US work hard, Netherlands gets the goals.
USA have been the better team.
Dunno Redhand. Dutch content to let them have ball soak up pressure then counter attack
Pulisic doesn't look fit. US, in general, far too slow and ponderous. Any time they moved it around quickly, which wasn't often, they caused the Dutch problems. Otherwise this is a stroll for Holland.
Chances go leor in this second half. A Jimmy Burke type goal there by US.
Very naive. Basically conceded the same goal twice with no one covering late runners into the box.
Dutch not fantastic either but better.
That is nearly a good US team. One talented forward short.
The Dutch will be happy to be in the QFs when Belgium and Germany have been sent home.
The US have a platform to build on for a good show when they are hosts in 4 years time.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 03, 2022, 04:43:48 PM
Very naive. Basically conceded the same goal twice with no one covering late runners into the box.
Dutch not fantastic either but better.
and the third goal came about because the left back drifted too far in and left the Dutch player completely unmarked. The US also had similar chances to the Dutch but all their forwards were deep in the penalty area and covered by the Dutch, there was space at the edge of the box but no US players making late runs.
I was about to post that Collins and RTE panel are grinding bores, but that was a good segment on Mac Allisters Irish relatives.
GOAT
First shot on target in the match that goal.
I was wondering which goalie would get caught out. The sod is slow.
In the mix!
Quote from: weareros on December 03, 2022, 06:45:02 PM
I was about to post that Collins and RTE panel are grinding bores, but that was a good segment on Mac Allisters Irish relatives.
Alexis Mac Allister dad, the most un-Argentine looking person ever.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fi1qqfaXEAEyoSL?format=jpg&name=small)
La Albiceleste made hard work of that. Lucky there at the end.
Some agricultural football almost draws the Aussies level despite a classic Messi performance
Have a feeling Netherlands v Argentina will be separated by a penalty shootout.
I fancy Netherlands to beat Argentina ..... revenge for 1978.
An average Australian team (but well organised ) was beaten by a single goal and Argentina are celebrating like they just won the semifinal.
Quote from: Main Street on December 03, 2022, 09:18:46 PM
I fancy Netherlands to beat Argentina ..... revenge for 1978.
An average Australian team (but well organised ) was beaten by a single goal and Argentina are celebrating like they just won the semifinal.
There are a lot of travelling Argentine fans there, and they are driving their team on. They are enjoying the moment. Many thought it was all over a week ago. No Dutch player cares about 1978. I'd say many of them don't even know about 1978.
Man of the Match
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Quote from: From the Bunker on December 03, 2022, 09:25:10 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 03, 2022, 09:18:46 PM
I fancy Netherlands to beat Argentina ..... revenge for 1978.
An average Australian team (but well organised ) was beaten by a single goal and Argentina are celebrating like they just won the semifinal.
There are a lot of travelling Argentine fans there, and they are driving their team on. They are enjoying the moment. Many thought it was all over a week ago. No Dutch player cares about 1978. I'd say many of them don't even know about 1978.
You think that many of the Dutch national team of professional footballers don't know that their counterparts lost a world cup final in 1978?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 03, 2022, 09:56:48 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 03, 2022, 09:25:10 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 03, 2022, 09:18:46 PM
I fancy Netherlands to beat Argentina ..... revenge for 1978.
An average Australian team (but well organised ) was beaten by a single goal and Argentina are celebrating like they just won the semifinal.
There are a lot of travelling Argentine fans there, and they are driving their team on. They are enjoying the moment. Many thought it was all over a week ago. No Dutch player cares about 1978. I'd say many of them don't even know about 1978.
You think that many of the Dutch national team of professional footballers don't know that their counterparts lost a world cup final in 1978?
Netherlands beat Argentina in the 1974 World Cup 4-0. Will the Argentenians be pondering back to that result? Or maybe the Dutch will be thinking of 2014 where they went out on penalties to Argentina?
78 was a final though. Are you seriously suggesting that the current players don't know about that?
You could just say it was bombast on your part, and you meant 78 wasn't going to be a motivating factor. That's what I'd say at this point.
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 03, 2022, 10:12:00 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 03, 2022, 09:56:48 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 03, 2022, 09:25:10 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 03, 2022, 09:18:46 PM
I fancy Netherlands to beat Argentina ..... revenge for 1978.
An average Australian team (but well organised ) was beaten by a single goal and Argentina are celebrating like they just won the semifinal.
There are a lot of travelling Argentine fans there, and they are driving their team on. They are enjoying the moment. Many thought it was all over a week ago. No Dutch player cares about 1978. I'd say many of them don't even know about 1978.
You think that many of the Dutch national team of professional footballers don't know that their counterparts lost a world cup final in 1978?
Netherlands beat Argentina in the 1974 World Cup 4-0. Will the Argentenians be pondering back to that result? Or maybe the Dutch will be thinking of 2014 where they went out on penalties to Argentina?
Lighten up ;D
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 03, 2022, 10:14:06 PM
78 was a final though. Are you seriously suggesting that the current players don't know about that?
You could just say it was bombast on your part, and you meant 78 wasn't going to be a motivating factor. That's what I'd say at this point.
I'm saying it is only relevant to the players if they were hurt (themselves as a player) from a previous result. There is no recent relevant rivalry between the two countries.
Anyway, this argument is a perceptive one. Which means this argument could go on with no one proving the other wrong.
You could be right, I could be right..........Do we really care?
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 03, 2022, 10:30:47 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 03, 2022, 10:14:06 PM
78 was a final though. Are you seriously suggesting that the current players don't know about that?
You could just say it was bombast on your part, and you meant 78 wasn't going to be a motivating factor. That's what I'd say at this point.
I'm saying it is only relevant to the players if they were hurt (themselves as a player) from a previous result. There is no recent relevant rivalry between the two countries.
Anyway, this argument is a perceptive one. Which means this argument could go on with no one proving the other wrong.
You could be right, I could be right..........Do we really care?
Glad to see you took me up on my suggested way out of this.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 03, 2022, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 03, 2022, 10:30:47 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 03, 2022, 10:14:06 PM
78 was a final though. Are you seriously suggesting that the current players don't know about that?
You could just say it was bombast on your part, and you meant 78 wasn't going to be a motivating factor. That's what I'd say at this point.
I'm saying it is only relevant to the players if they were hurt (themselves as a player) from a previous result. There is no recent relevant rivalry between the two countries.
Anyway, this argument is a perceptive one. Which means this argument could go on with no one proving the other wrong.
You could be right, I could be right..........Do we really care?
Glad to see you took me up on my suggested way out of this.
Glad you care, ;)
Jesus Christ, some of the discussions on this board are akin to your 7 year old asking' who'd win between Ireland and Manchester United'
Any time you're ready to raise the tone...
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on December 04, 2022, 09:35:51 AM
Jesus Christ, some of the discussions on this board are akin to your 7 year old asking' who'd win between Ireland and Manchester United'
It's a (pre-dominately sport based) forum on the Internet. We are not discussing splitting the Atom here. Sport is always about silly questions, theories and comparisons. That's the fun of it all.
My Father in law can never get excited about lads running around ''
kicking a bag of wind'' as he puts it. ;D
If you think this is bad check the Antrim football thread :(
Houl on a minute Tommy 😂
France looking slick up front and nervy at the back. Poland putting up more of a fight than the 1986 team who when drawling Brazil in the round of 16 already booked their flight home the next day, leading Dunphy to remark at half time they should have flown home before the match.
Looks like it's bring the Dog for a walk time in the France/Poland game!
England very poor so far.
Ah bollox
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 04, 2022, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 04, 2022, 07:38:42 PM
Ah bollox
Henderson does his strut! :-\
Good movement between him and Bellingham to be fair, hopefully see more of that next season 😜
Should Senegal not have had a penalty for handball?
Harry Kane back scoring. Coming home for Christmas?
https://youtu.be/ubRBLAHjkTo
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2022, 07:47:14 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 04, 2022, 07:46:01 PM
Should Senegal not have had a penalty for handball?
No..
I thought it hit Stones elbow. Surprised VAR didn't ask the ref to look at it. I could be wrong
Fcuk that anyway
It's up to you now, cheese eating surrender monkeys
Quote from: CK_Redhand on December 04, 2022, 07:50:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2022, 07:47:14 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 04, 2022, 07:46:01 PM
Should Senegal not have had a penalty for handball?
No..
I thought it hit Stones elbow. Surprised VAR didn't ask the ref to look at it. I could be wrong
I thought var looked at it?
England are good but France , you would expect, would be better. England are a lot better in possession than you would see from typical English teams. The likes of maguire is a disaster waiting to happen. Mbappe could pose him serious problems.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on December 04, 2022, 07:50:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2022, 07:47:14 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 04, 2022, 07:46:01 PM
Should Senegal not have had a penalty for handball?
No..
I thought it hit Stones elbow. Surprised VAR didn't ask the ref to look at it. I could be wrong
Waiting on a post on the rules :o but did it prevent a goal scoring opportunity? Brushed up from his knee .. Senegal have not taken their chances. England enjoying getting more space, could be 4-0 but if (as Roy said) if they lose concentration they could still f**k this up
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 04, 2022, 07:51:03 PM
Fcuk that anyway
It's up to you now, cheese eating surrender monkeys
France would eat them for petit dejeuner
Are England top scorers so far?
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 04, 2022, 07:59:14 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on December 04, 2022, 07:50:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2022, 07:47:14 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 04, 2022, 07:46:01 PM
Should Senegal not have had a penalty for handball?
No..
I thought it hit Stones elbow. Surprised VAR didn't ask the ref to look at it. I could be wrong
I thought var looked at it?
England are good but France , you would expect, would be better. England are a lot better in possession than you would see from typical English teams. The likes of maguire is a disaster waiting to happen. Mbappe could pose him serious problems.
They are impressive going forward but the defence isn't as good.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on December 04, 2022, 07:50:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2022, 07:47:14 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 04, 2022, 07:46:01 PM
Should Senegal not have had a penalty for handball?
No..
I thought it hit Stones elbow. Surprised VAR didn't ask the ref to look at it. I could be wrong
Deflected up and hit him so not a peno. Bellingham is some player. Whoever gets him getting a Rolls Royce.
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Quote from: AustinPowers on December 04, 2022, 07:46:01 PM
Should Senegal not have had a penalty for handball?
No..
I thought it hit Stones elbow. Surprised VAR didn't ask the ref to look at it. I could be wrong
Deflected up and hit him so not a peno. Bellingham is some player. Whoever gets him getting a Rolls Royce.
City must be favourites
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 04, 2022, 08:37:13 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2022, 07:47:14 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 04, 2022, 07:46:01 PM
Should Senegal not have had a penalty for handball?
No..
I thought it hit Stones elbow. Surprised VAR didn't ask the ref to look at it. I could be wrong
Unreal player. A serious talent
Deflected up and hit him so not a peno. Bellingham is some player. Whoever gets him getting a Rolls Royce.
Southgate should have left Grealish to Ireland. A luxury player!
France v England should be tasty, France slight favourites but England will hardly fear them.
Quote from: bennydorano on December 04, 2022, 08:53:56 PM
France v England should be tasty, France slight favourites but England will hardly fear them.
The quarter-finals with some tasty fixtures ahead.
Starting to get worried!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 04, 2022, 08:55:47 PM
Starting to get worried!
Winner of France and England will win the World Cup in my opinion.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 04, 2022, 08:55:47 PM
Starting to get worried!
To put your mind somewhat at ease.
England's WC/Euro knock-out record at neutral venues against other past winners
Brazil P2 L2
West Germany/Germany P3 L3
Argentina P2 L2
Uruguay P1 L1
Italy P1 L1
Portugal P1 L1
Denmark P1 W1
One win in 11 against Denmark.
You could be right Gael80
They have certainly been the two most impressive sides. Still think there is a mistake or two in that English defence/GK and Stones might even have picked up a niggle there
France will be the best outfit they've played in any of the tournaments in 2018, 2021 and this one. England are decent enough in fairness to them but have played 4 poor teams so far. If France had Benzema I'd be fairly certain France would win but think England could do it.
I can't enjoy this tournament until those backstards are out
Hopefully the French will do us all a favour
Still think England lack a bit of nous and leadership at the back that will cost them either against France or beyond that. They've got a chance though.
Does anyone really believe they can beat France, Spain/Portugal and then Brazil/Argentina. The last time they got to the semi finals they beat colombia on penalties, Sweden and then lost to Croatia. France resting the players against tunisia could stand to them. Surprised England didn't do something similar against Wales as we all know England have thr strongest subs bench in the tournament ::)
Quote from: square_ball on December 04, 2022, 09:31:16 PM
France will be the best outfit they've played in any of the tournaments in 2018, 2021 and this one. England are decent enough in fairness to them but have played 4 poor teams so far. If France had Benzema I'd be fairly certain France would win but think England could do it.
If they played like that against the French for 35 mins they will French toast
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Quote from: square_ball on December 04, 2022, 09:31:16 PM
France will be the best outfit they've played in any of the tournaments in 2018, 2021 and this one. England are decent enough in fairness to them but have played 4 poor teams so far. If France had Benzema I'd be fairly certain France would win but think England could do it.
If they played like that against the French for 35 mins they will French toast
I hope the French were watching, play MBappe out on the French right, give the ball to Harry Maguire at every opportunity and he'll pass it straight to MBappe..
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Quote from: square_ball on December 04, 2022, 09:31:16 PM
France will be the best outfit they've played in any of the tournaments in 2018, 2021 and this one. England are decent enough in fairness to them but have played 4 poor teams so far. If France had Benzema I'd be fairly certain France would win but think England could do it.
If they played like that against the French for 35 mins they will French toast
I hope the French were watching, play MBappe out on the French right, give the ball to Harry Maguire at every opportunity and he'll pass it straight to MBappe..
;D ;D ;D
I think Harry (if he has any sense) will start seeing stars early on, before a ball is actually kicked and off he'll come, for the good of his country
Complete change of subject.
Are there any decent bars in Belfast to watch the football this Saturday? Google is telling me Franklins. Any thoughts?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 05, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
Complete change of subject.
Are there any decent bars in Belfast to watch the football this Saturday? Google is telling me Franklins. Any thoughts?
The points should have it, good music in it as well
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Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 05, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
Complete change of subject.
Are there any decent bars in Belfast to watch the football this Saturday? Google is telling me Franklins. Any thoughts?
The points should have it, good music in it as well
The Garrick had it, but no one was really watching, Franklins is a big sports bar, would imagine its pricy enough, not one I'd really go into but have been in past plenty of screens.. Sweet Afton have a load of screens and decent grub too
PENALTIES Japan v Croatia on now.
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 05, 2022, 05:37:01 PM
PENALTIES Japan v Croatia on now.
Poorly taken penalties by Japan. Croatia do well in major tournaments in fairness to them.
Decent goalkeeper there.
That was about the worst collective set of penalties I've ever seen. Shocking from Japan.
Quote from: J70 on December 05, 2022, 05:46:00 PM
That was about the worst collective set of penalties I've ever seen. Shocking from Japan.
It is amazing how a skilled team can fall on one particular small skill.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 05, 2022, 05:55:15 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 05, 2022, 05:46:00 PM
That was about the worst collective set of penalties I've ever seen. Shocking from Japan.
It is amazing how a skilled team can fall on one particular small skill.
Isn't it ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL6JGxutnw8
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Quote from: J70 on December 05, 2022, 05:46:00 PM
That was about the worst collective set of penalties I've ever seen. Shocking from Japan.
It is amazing how a skilled team can fall on one particular small skill.
Isn't it ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL6JGxutnw8
Ah stop
Brazil putting this game to bed early.
Doesn't matter, sure it's England's to lose.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 05, 2022, 07:12:39 PM
Brazil putting this game to bed early.
Richarlison might never recover from that injury for the penalty.
You get a penalty for anything these days, that was accidental. still never understand why they did away with a indirect free kick.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 05, 2022, 07:12:39 PM
Brazil putting this game to bed early.
Richarlison might never recover from that injury for the penalty.
Seems to have recovered well enough
I bet they are laughing in the Politburo in North Korea.
Brazil are back!
Pure filth.
As good as Brazil are tonight it also highlights further how poor Uruguay was not to score against this Korean team
Richarlison's valuation must have gone through the roof. This time last year he was a humble Everton player.
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 05, 2022, 07:39:31 PM
As good as Brazil are tonight it also highlights further how poor Uruguay was not to score against this Korean team
This South Korean team has went out with a different attitude or formation. There's no shame either to lose to 3 of the goals..
Shapin up great. Mbappe neymar messi, henderson, all the top players comin to the boil nicely
Brazil should be putting on 5 subs in the second half
still think Uruguay would have gave brazil a better game.
It may only be South Korea but that 1st half from Brazil was a joy to watch.
Quote from: Eire90 on December 05, 2022, 07:52:17 PM
still think Uruguay would have gave brazil a better game.
They are neighbours. And they won the World Cup before Brazil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIdFzP0TJxc
Quote from: Ghost on December 05, 2022, 07:55:18 PM
It may only be South Korea but that 1st half from Brazil was a joy to watch.
Diter Hamman in the RTÉ studio moaning about the Brazilian dancing after each goal.
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Quote from: Ghost on December 05, 2022, 07:55:18 PM
It may only be South Korea but that 1st half from Brazil was a joy to watch.
So was Roy keane but then again he cries about most things
Diter Hamman in the RTÉ studio moaning about the Brazilian dancing after each goal.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 05, 2022, 07:44:44 PM
Shapin up great. Mbappe neymar messi, henderson, all the top players comin to the boil nicely
8) ;D
Both correct, I'd be leaving the boot in for that aul show boating shite
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 05, 2022, 08:11:04 PM
Both correct, I'd be leaving the boot in for that aul show boating shite
I think the team that concede a goal should be able to kickoff as soon as they get the ball back to the centre spot. That would put a stop to the dancing.
Brazil reminded me of Tipperary at their worst when it comes to rubbing an opponent's nose in it!
As good to watch as that Brazil team are I just can't support them with Neymar in the team.
Never a penalty either which killed the game, not that it would have mattered. Croatia will be better set up defensively to deal with them, should be a closer game at least. Nice to see the Pele tributes, would be very fitting for them to win another one for the great man to see.
Sicken your sh1te the whole thing. Dancing after a goal, falling down when the ball hits them in the stomach, falling down when no one touches them, outrageous wages, soccer is dead and has been for a long time. What I'd give for a good physical game but them days are gone
I like Brazil, always have, but nothing better than seeing a team take a hard fall after all than dancing crap. Soccer, scoring a goal like a bunch of men behaving like teenagers. Outside ude of Brolly, u never seen any of this crap in Gaelic fball. NFL brought in fines for showboating.
South Korea went out to attack instead of batten down the hatches Should scored 6/7, Know, Spain would have. They look better than Croatia or, Argentina so I say they be in the final against Likely France, if our near neighbours don't go and ruin all our Christmases.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 05, 2022, 08:11:04 PM
Both correct, I'd be leaving the boot in for that aul show boating shite
I think the team that concede a goal should be able to kickoff as soon as they get the ball back to the centre spot. That would put a stop to the dancing.
That's a great idea!
Wasn't there a goal in some youth international match a few years back where this kind of thing happened?
Indeed there was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zD6MT3P8Vw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zD6MT3P8Vw)
And one from the pros...funnier too....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=5sAhzBAWCNE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=5sAhzBAWCNE)
Quote from: Dag Dog on December 05, 2022, 10:15:20 PM
Brazil reminded me of Tipperary at their worst when it comes to rubbing an opponent's nose in it!
Awful hoors
Why do so many people get upset at paid entertainers having some fun?
England will be playing the first team this tournament that actually has real pedigree, they haven't been behind and have really enjoyed a charmed life, even the USA game while playing crap they were still for large parts in control.
The real pressure will be on next day out and Gareth will tighten things up and you are looking at penalties
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 06, 2022, 09:18:53 AM
England will be playing the first team this tournament that actually has real pedigree, they haven't been behind and have really enjoyed a charmed life, even the USA game while playing crap they were still for large parts in control.
The real pressure will be on next day out and Gareth will tighten things up and you are looking at penalties
5 at the back with 2 cdms. If not then Mbappe and Co will tear Maguire a new one.
It's absolutely hilarious when the English pundits are dismissing lads with Champions League titkes, World Cups and titles from the big leagues and yet Mason Mount is borderline world class.
Bellingham is class but that French midfield is really underrated. Griezmann dropping deep is doing brilliantly too.
Southgate will need to go more defensive.
As for Brazil. What harm having a bit of craic.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on December 06, 2022, 09:41:16 AM
It's absolutely hilarious when the English pundits are dismissing lads with Champions League titkes, World Cups and titles from the big leagues and yet Mason Mount is borderline world class.
Bellingham is class but that French midfield is really underrated. Griezmann dropping deep is doing brilliantly too.
Southgate will need to go more defensive.
As for Brazil. What harm having a bit of craic.
It's also absolutely hilarious that although France are perhaps the only country to have had an easier passage to the quarter finals than England, and have even managed to lose a game en route, Irish lads are now queuing up to talk about how good the French are, while dismissing England as cloggers.
There is nothing between these sides in terms of ability. The big difference is management. Deschamps would seem to instil pride that trumps all else when players pull on the French jersey. Southgate is still absolutely confused about his best team, tactics and formation, and is still dreaming up ways to get as many right backs onto the field as possible. It's actually a credit to the English players that they compete in every major tournament despite him.
Frig but I'm sick of the English pundits blowing about them already. I hope they are absolutely stuffed on Saturday.
I honestly couldn't give a fiddlers who wins it after that as long as they go out on Saturday
Eng v France is 50/50 in my book. That English back line coming up against world class opposition (across the pitch, not strictly individuals) for the first time will be good acid test for them, as they have it all going forward and are well balanced in the middle of the pitch.
Maguire has been grand for them so far, but I think he will be seen as the weak link and players will be told to run at him, draw out the mistakes.
Do they have a viable alternative to Maguire?
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 06, 2022, 09:56:26 AM
Frig but I'm sick of the English pundits blowing about them already. I hope they are absolutely stuffed on Saturday.
I honestly couldn't give a fiddlers who wins it after that as long as they go out on Saturday
Imagine English pundits talking up the England team on a station with a 3/4 English audience. Shocking.
Wouldn't catch RTE at that craic!
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 06, 2022, 01:38:47 AM
Indeed there was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zD6MT3P8Vw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zD6MT3P8Vw)
Haha that's class. Their mistake was not leaving 1 player in the other half. Then the red team would have been unable to kick off!
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 06, 2022, 10:16:47 AM
Do they have a viable alternative to Maguire?
No, it seems to be their weakest area on the squad as a whole, and again, fortunate for them, and area that has not come under heavy siege so far
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 06, 2022, 10:16:47 AM
Do they have a viable alternative to Maguire?
Yeah but he's sitting at home watching it on the TV.
Joe Gomez... for all his faults he's a better centre back than Harry the fridge.
Quote from: laoislad on December 06, 2022, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 06, 2022, 10:16:47 AM
Do they have a viable alternative to Maguire?
Yeah but he's sitting at home watching it on the TV.
Joe Gomez... for all his faults he's a better centre back than Harry the fridge.
He's really not.
Gomez looked tidy when VVD was at his imperious best and he had an armchair ride. The decline in Virgil's form has made Gonez's mediocrity rather obvious.
Maguire ain't no £70m defender. But he's clearly better on the ball and better in the air than Gomez. Not sure what Gomez is clearly better at than Maguire.... Apart from managing his weight.
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Quote from: laoislad on December 06, 2022, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 06, 2022, 10:16:47 AM
Do they have a viable alternative to Maguire?
Yeah but he's sitting at home watching it on the TV.
Joe Gomez... for all his faults he's a better centre back than Harry the fridge.
He's really not.
Gomez looked tidy when VVD was at his imperious best and he had an armchair ride. The decline in Virgil's form has made Gonez's mediocrity rather obvious.
Maguire ain't no £70m defender. But he's clearly better on the ball and better in the air than Gomez. Not sure what Gomez is clearly better at than Maguire.... Apart from managing his weight.
Gomez had a bad injury himself which set him back a bit. Maguire is better in the air but not better on the ball. Well documented how bad Maguire has been for a long time now but he's been a regular starter for England for a few years now and Southgate knows what he gets from him. He's been steady enough for England so far but he reminds me a bit of Tony Adams, i.e. very dodgy when the heat is turned up against good opposition.
Hope Gomez plays the rest of the season for Liverpool ;D
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on December 06, 2022, 09:41:16 AM
It's absolutely hilarious when the English pundits are dismissing lads with Champions League titkes, World Cups and titles from the big leagues and yet Mason Mount is borderline world class.
Bellingham is class but that French midfield is really underrated. Griezmann dropping deep is doing brilliantly too.
Southgate will need to go more defensive.
As for Brazil. What harm having a bit of craic.
I've been very impressed with Rabiot this tournament.
Covers so much ground (including doing extra with Mbappe on that side), great at winning the ball back and a good passer and dribbler.
If I remember correctly, Juve were shopping him around a bit back in the summer. They'll have no problem finding takers in January if they still want to get rid.
Quote from: J70 on December 06, 2022, 12:56:51 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on December 06, 2022, 09:41:16 AM
It's absolutely hilarious when the English pundits are dismissing lads with Champions League titkes, World Cups and titles from the big leagues and yet Mason Mount is borderline world class.
Bellingham is class but that French midfield is really underrated. Griezmann dropping deep is doing brilliantly too.
Southgate will need to go more defensive.
As for Brazil. What harm having a bit of craic.
I've been very impressed with Rabiot this tournament.
Covers so much ground (including doing extra with Mbappe on that side), great at winning the ball back and a good passer and dribbler.
If I remember correctly, Juve were shopping him around a bit back in the summer. They'll have no problem finding takers in January if they still want to get rid.
Big problem with him is attitude, not talent. Plus his mother is an issue too.
Spain getting their fill of it...anyones game now
This is dull :-\
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 06, 2022, 04:28:55 PM
This is dull :-\
Spain are unwatchable. I would rather see the Ireland of old or Wimbledon hoof it into the box than this shit. At least direct football the shit ball into the box happens within a few seconds, with Spain they have 50 sideways passes and then try a shit ball into the box. How did they score 7 in the first match.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 06, 2022, 04:33:08 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 06, 2022, 04:28:55 PM
This is dull :-\
Spain are unwatchable. I would rather see the Ireland of old or Wimbledon hoof it into the box than this shit. At least direct football the shit ball into the box happens within a few seconds, with Spain they have 50 sideways passes and then try a shit ball into the box. How did they score 7 in the first match.
Agreed. Too technical for my simple tastes. Even the Barca teams that dominated few years back were same to an extent
Even the Spain team when they won it in 2010 were awful to watch
thought we were going to be robbed of the pens there
Hope Morocco dont shit the nest like Japan did after all that effort. At least go out scoring a few
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 06, 2022, 04:33:08 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 06, 2022, 04:28:55 PM
This is dull :-\
Spain are unwatchable. I would rather see the Ireland of old or Wimbledon hoof it into the box than this shit. At least direct football the shit ball into the box happens within a few seconds, with Spain they have 50 sideways passes and then try a shit ball into the box. How did they score 7 in the first match.
In 120 plus minutes one shot on target and 1019 passes for Spain.
Morocco have Bono and the edge!
Bono, it's a beautiful day for Morocco!
Spain are far too predictable
Mix it up. Pump it up to a big striker now and again
He showed minerals 😂😂 good man Joe, not sure what he means. Absolutely fantastic.
That was ridiculous. You know you are shit at penalties so make sure you win in normal time. The manager needs sacking. The aimless passing sideways is mind numbing. They only got going with a few mins left of extra time. Morocco are pretty poor to be honest. I hope Portugal or Switzerland thump them
Morocco/Portugal/Switz looks like the weaker quarter of the draw.
Ronaldo on the bench!
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Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 06, 2022, 06:02:08 PM
That was ridiculous. You know you are shit at penalties so make sure you win in normal time. The manager needs sacking. The aimless passing sideways is mind numbing. They only got going with a few mins left of extra time. Morocco are pretty poor to be honest. I hope Portugal or Switzerland thump them
When it comes to penalty shoot-outs, Spain are probably the only major playing country with a worse reputation in them than England.
Pity the f**kers knew how to take them 2002 though.
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Yakin
In 2022 FIFA World Cup qualification, Northern Ireland held reigning European champions Italy to a goalless draw, thereby ensuring that Switzerland qualified for the tournament and Italy had to play in the playoffs. In gratitude, the Swiss manager sent 9.3 kg of Swiss chocolate to the Irish Football Association.[16][17]
Big if but if England get past France they have a straight run to the final.
Quote from: laoislad on December 06, 2022, 06:33:08 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on December 06, 2022, 06:28:05 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 06, 2022, 06:02:08 PM
That was ridiculous. You know you are shit at penalties so make sure you win in normal time. The manager needs sacking. The aimless passing sideways is mind numbing. They only got going with a few mins left of extra time. Morocco are pretty poor to be honest. I hope Portugal or Switzerland thump them
When it comes to penalty shoot-outs, Spain are probably the only major playing country with a worse reputation in them than England.
Pity the f**kers knew how to take them 2002 though.
They didn't we were just even worse ;D. I'm sure mendiettas winning penalty hit a bump which lifted it over givens leg :'(
Nice goal by Portugal
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 06, 2022, 07:13:31 PM
Big if but if England get past France they have a straight run to the final.
Portugal?
2 nil Portugal. Switzerland trina cheile
Decision to drop Cancelo and Ronaldo justified by Fernando Santos. Brazil only beat this Switzerland team 1-0 with the winner not coming until the 83rd minute.
4 nil now. Switzerland trina cheile ar fad
I'm bored to death of hearing the ITV commentary about Ronaldo, like wise up, obsession is unhealthy
So the man utd manager right after all, still good enough to come off the bench with 20mins to go
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 06, 2022, 08:16:46 PM
Decision to drop Cancelo and Ronaldo justified by Fernando Santos. Brazil only beat this Switzerland team 1-0 with the winner not coming until the 83rd minute.
So what? South Korea beat Portugal and Brazil beat South Korea 4-1...
Quote from: Turf on December 06, 2022, 08:32:33 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 06, 2022, 08:16:46 PM
Decision to drop Cancelo and Ronaldo justified by Fernando Santos. Brazil only beat this Switzerland team 1-0 with the winner not coming until the 83rd minute.
So what? South Korea beat Portugal and Brazil beat South Korea 4-1...
Immaterial, Portugal already through and rested a number of todays starters. BTW do you still think Spain look good?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 06, 2022, 08:40:57 PM
Quote from: Turf on December 06, 2022, 08:32:33 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 06, 2022, 08:16:46 PM
Decision to drop Cancelo and Ronaldo justified by Fernando Santos. Brazil only beat this Switzerland team 1-0 with the winner not coming until the 83rd minute.
So what? South Korea beat Portugal and Brazil beat South Korea 4-1...
Immaterial, Portugal already through and rested a number of todays starters. BTW do you still think Spain look good?
It's as relevant as you thinking the Brazil Switzerland match is relevant.
Still think it's England's to lose?
I tipped Portugal to do well in the euros and they let me down. They are however showing tonight they are a lot more than a one man team.
Quote from: Turf on December 06, 2022, 08:45:04 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 06, 2022, 08:40:57 PM
Quote from: Turf on December 06, 2022, 08:32:33 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 06, 2022, 08:16:46 PM
Decision to drop Cancelo and Ronaldo justified by Fernando Santos. Brazil only beat this Switzerland team 1-0 with the winner not coming until the 83rd minute.
So what? South Korea beat Portugal and Brazil beat South Korea 4-1...
Immaterial, Portugal already through and rested a number of todays starters. BTW do you still think Spain look good?
It's as relevant as you thinking the Brazil Switzerland match is relevant.
Still think it's England's to lose?
Full strength Brazil against Switzerland is relevant your comparison is not. England yes and can lose it with Gareth Southgate as manager.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 06, 2022, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: Turf on December 06, 2022, 08:45:04 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 06, 2022, 08:40:57 PM
Quote from: Turf on December 06, 2022, 08:32:33 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 06, 2022, 08:16:46 PM
Decision to drop Cancelo and Ronaldo justified by Fernando Santos. Brazil only beat this Switzerland team 1-0 with the winner not coming until the 83rd minute.
So what? South Korea beat Portugal and Brazil beat South Korea 4-1...
Immaterial, Portugal already through and rested a number of todays starters. BTW do you still think Spain look good?
It's as relevant as you thinking the Brazil Switzerland match is relevant.
Still think it's England's to lose?
Full strength Brazil against Switzerland is relevant your comparison is not. England yes and can lose it with Gareth Southgate as manager.
Your logic is hilarious, and not just on this, on nearly everything you post.
Switzerland have been trying since 1958 to get to the quarter finals. Their sole visit was in 1954 at home.
Puts our 1990 adventure into perspective.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 06, 2022, 08:24:31 PM
So the man utd manager right after all, still good enough to come off the bench with 20mins to go
Erik ten Hag is one of the smartest managers around then again it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Ronaldo as good as he was is well past his best now and teams can now play better without him starting. Very impressive performance by Portugal tonight interesting match against Morocco next who were well organised defensively against Spain.
No games until Friday now, I guess I'm gonna have to talk to the Mrs tomorrow night so.
Can't see Ronaldo starting against Morocco either...his replacement tonight got a hat trick inside 70 minutes. Every dog has its day!
Portugal were very impressive.
Quote from: bannside on December 06, 2022, 09:24:38 PM
Can't see Ronaldo starting against Morocco either...his replacement tonight got a hat trick inside 70 minutes. Every dog has its day!
I see after the game he walked down the tunnel when the rest of the players went over to the supporters behind the goal.
At this stage you would bring him on at the end of extra time to take a penalty, that's about it
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 06, 2022, 09:52:41 PM
Quote from: bannside on December 06, 2022, 09:24:38 PM
Can't see Ronaldo starting against Morocco either...his replacement tonight got a hat trick inside 70 minutes. Every dog has its day!
I see after the game he walked down the tunnel when the rest of the players went over to the supporters behind the goal.
He celebrated the goals, he was on the pitch afterwards and was smiling..
No doubt there was a camera following him constantly, the obsession is bizarre, social media, main stream media are constantly looking some sort of news.. crazy
In real news Portugal played brilliantly with three starters from the previous games.
A tasty set of quarterfinals. Brazil, Argentina, France and Portugal the favourites, but a couple of results against the bookies would be no surprise at all. Anybody could beat anybody from here on in. It could become a classic World Cup.
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Can't see Ronaldo starting against Morocco either...his replacement tonight got a hat trick inside 70 minutes. Every dog has its day!
I see after the game he walked down the tunnel when the rest of the players went over to the supporters behind the goal.
He celebrated the goals, he was on the pitch afterwards and was smiling..
No doubt there was a camera following him constantly, the obsession is bizarre, social media, main stream media are constantly looking some sort of news.. crazy
In real news Portugal played brilliantly with three starters from the previous games.
His actions makes it easy for social media, main stream to be talking about him even after a 6-1 win.
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Can't see Ronaldo starting against Morocco either...his replacement tonight got a hat trick inside 70 minutes. Every dog has its day!
I see after the game he walked down the tunnel when the rest of the players went over to the supporters behind the goal.
He celebrated the goals, he was on the pitch afterwards and was smiling..
No doubt there was a camera following him constantly, the obsession is bizarre, social media, main stream media are constantly looking some sort of news.. crazy
In real news Portugal played brilliantly with three starters from the previous games.
His actions makes it easy for social media, main stream to be talking about him even after a 6-1 win.
Aye they do if you're brain dead
imagine having to deal with that coming onto the field of play.
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Quote from: bannside on December 06, 2022, 09:24:38 PM
Can't see Ronaldo starting against Morocco either...his replacement tonight got a hat trick inside 70 minutes. Every dog has its day!
I see after the game he walked down the tunnel when the rest of the players went over to the supporters behind the goal.
He celebrated the goals, he was on the pitch afterwards and was smiling..
No doubt there was a camera following him constantly, the obsession is bizarre, social media, main stream media are constantly looking some sort of news.. crazy
In real news Portugal played brilliantly with three starters from the previous games.
Alright Piers we get it...you want to be his friend but I don't think he reads the gaaboard
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Quote from: bannside on December 06, 2022, 09:24:38 PM
Can't see Ronaldo starting against Morocco either...his replacement tonight got a hat trick inside 70 minutes. Every dog has its day!
I see after the game he walked down the tunnel when the rest of the players went over to the supporters behind the goal.
He celebrated the goals, he was on the pitch afterwards and was smiling..
No doubt there was a camera following him constantly, the obsession is bizarre, social media, main stream media are constantly looking some sort of news.. crazy
In real news Portugal played brilliantly with three starters from the previous games.
Alright Piers we get it...you want to be his friend but I don't think he reads the gaaboard
Yet you still feel he's news worthy to post. Portugal blew away the Swiss that's the headline, new Portuguese star scores 3
But the commentator yesterday ruined the game by constantly talking about Ronaldo, it's embarrassing
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 06, 2022, 11:26:56 PM
imagine having to deal with that coming onto the field of play.
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He is a narcissist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxajLWwzqY
Switzerland were jammy in qualification. They came first because Italy could only draw with Norn Irn.
They were shown up yesterday.
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Quote from: bannside on December 06, 2022, 09:24:38 PM
Can't see Ronaldo starting against Morocco either...his replacement tonight got a hat trick inside 70 minutes. Every dog has its day!
I see after the game he walked down the tunnel when the rest of the players went over to the supporters behind the goal.
He celebrated the goals, he was on the pitch afterwards and was smiling..
No doubt there was a camera following him constantly, the obsession is bizarre, social media, main stream media are constantly looking some sort of news.. crazy
In real news Portugal played brilliantly with three starters from the previous games.
Alright Piers we get it...you want to be his friend but I don't think he reads the gaaboard
I wouldn't be surprised if he secretly would have been happy had they got beat.
There is some difference between him and Messi and how they conduct themselves.
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Can't see Ronaldo starting against Morocco either...his replacement tonight got a hat trick inside 70 minutes. Every dog has its day!
I see after the game he walked down the tunnel when the rest of the players went over to the supporters behind the goal.
He celebrated the goals, he was on the pitch afterwards and was smiling..
No doubt there was a camera following him constantly, the obsession is bizarre, social media, main stream media are constantly looking some sort of news.. crazy
In real news Portugal played brilliantly with three starters from the previous games.
Alright Piers we get it...you want to be his friend but I don't think he reads the gaaboard
I wouldn't be surprised if he secretly would have been happy had they got beat.
There is some difference between him and Messi and how they conduct themselves.
Don't mention the hundreds of millions Messi is taking from the Saudis !! They are all money grabbing c***ts
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Quote from: bannside on December 06, 2022, 09:24:38 PM
Can't see Ronaldo starting against Morocco either...his replacement tonight got a hat trick inside 70 minutes. Every dog has its day!
I see after the game he walked down the tunnel when the rest of the players went over to the supporters behind the goal.
He celebrated the goals, he was on the pitch afterwards and was smiling..
No doubt there was a camera following him constantly, the obsession is bizarre, social media, main stream media are constantly looking some sort of news.. crazy
In real news Portugal played brilliantly with three starters from the previous games.
Alright Piers we get it...you want to be his friend but I don't think he reads the gaaboard
I wouldn't be surprised if he secretly would have been happy had they got beat.
There is some difference between him and Messi and how they conduct themselves.
On that, did you see how Messi conducted himself with Robert Lewandowski near the end of their game?
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Can't see Ronaldo starting against Morocco either...his replacement tonight got a hat trick inside 70 minutes. Every dog has its day!
I see after the game he walked down the tunnel when the rest of the players went over to the supporters behind the goal.
He celebrated the goals, he was on the pitch afterwards and was smiling..
No doubt there was a camera following him constantly, the obsession is bizarre, social media, main stream media are constantly looking some sort of news.. crazy
In real news Portugal played brilliantly with three starters from the previous games.
Alright Piers we get it...you want to be his friend but I don't think he reads the gaaboard
Yet you still feel he's news worthy to post. Portugal blew away the Swiss that's the headline, new Portuguese star scores 3
But the commentator yesterday ruined the game by constantly talking about Ronaldo, it's embarrassing
Yeah agreed. I was sick hearing about him, but his name gets clicks and views, comes with the territory of the career he's had.
The best one was Ronaldo not winning the world cup!! He's in great company ffs!! Just bizarre, Think Ally McCoist was trying to tell him to shut up
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Can't see Ronaldo starting against Morocco either...his replacement tonight got a hat trick inside 70 minutes. Every dog has its day!
I see after the game he walked down the tunnel when the rest of the players went over to the supporters behind the goal.
He celebrated the goals, he was on the pitch afterwards and was smiling..
No doubt there was a camera following him constantly, the obsession is bizarre, social media, main stream media are constantly looking some sort of news.. crazy
In real news Portugal played brilliantly with three starters from the previous games.
His actions makes it easy for social media, main stream to be talking about him even after a 6-1 win.
Aye they do if you're brain dead
Hes not going to ride you mate :-*
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Quote from: bannside on December 06, 2022, 09:24:38 PM
Can't see Ronaldo starting against Morocco either...his replacement tonight got a hat trick inside 70 minutes. Every dog has its day!
I see after the game he walked down the tunnel when the rest of the players went over to the supporters behind the goal.
He celebrated the goals, he was on the pitch afterwards and was smiling..
No doubt there was a camera following him constantly, the obsession is bizarre, social media, main stream media are constantly looking some sort of news.. crazy
In real news Portugal played brilliantly with three starters from the previous games.
His actions makes it easy for social media, main stream to be talking about him even after a 6-1 win.
Aye they do if you're brain dead
Hes not going to ride you mate :-*
Aye, he's usually on here checking this board out, good to know he's living in your head rent free though
So it's Brazil and Argentina
Morocco
and 5 UEFA teams - France, England, Portugal, Holland and Croatia
Not good enough included Spain, Switzerland, Japan, S Korea, US, Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Serbia and Poland.
Portugal only came second in our group.
What exactly did Ronnie do in the South Korea game? I thought he was decent against Uruguay, and I didn't get to see the south Korea game as I was watching the Ghana- Uruguay drama unfold. It worked out well in the end but what was the justification for dropping him?
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What exactly did Ronnie do in the South Korea game? I thought he was decent against Uruguay, and I didn't get to see the south Korea game as I was watching the Ghana- Uruguay drama unfold. It worked out well in the end but what was the justification for dropping him?
He huffed after being taken off !
The home of football is England. It was exported to the world.
This time the world will give something back. It is coming home.
Germany stick with Hansi Flick for Euro 2024 on home soil.The DFB has confirmed they will stick by the former Bayern Munich coach, even though the Germans were unable to progress from a group containing Spain, Japan and Costa Rica in Qatar.
Quote from: Eire90 on December 08, 2022, 06:13:17 AM
Germany stick with Hansi Flick for Euro 2024 on home soil.The DFB has confirmed they will stick by the former Bayern Munich coach, even though the Germans were unable to progress from a group containing Spain, Japan and Costa Rica in Qatar.
Inspired by the FAI no doubt
Odds
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/world-cup
Brazil 2/1
France 5/1
Argentina 6/1
Portugal 13/2
England 7/1
Holland 18/1
Croatia 50/1
Morocco 50/1
Portugal or England ( :-X) worth a nibble
Quote from: smort on December 08, 2022, 07:54:45 AM
Portugal or England ( :-X) worth a nibble
Don't think England have the actual balls to win it when it gets down to it, whether that's the next match or final but Portugal can win with flair and win very ugly also when they have to
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Portugal or England ( :-X) worth a nibble
Don't think England have the actual balls to win it when it gets down to it, whether that's the next match or final but Portugal can win with flair and win very ugly also when they have to
Said Portugal from the start and sticking with them.
Portugal are better without Ronaldo. They should get at least to the semis.
Quote from: seafoid on December 08, 2022, 10:51:25 AM
Portugal are better without Ronaldo. They should get at least to the semis.
Expect another Piers Morgan interview
The thing about this stage of the competition with the big hitters facing off is that weaknesses will be exposed.
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Very harsh on Morocco
Even harsher on Croatia actually. Portugal and Brazil definitely won't get it easy!
That's not great odds for England, especially when you consider some think it's theirs to lose....
A few pundits are favouring the Dutch to beat Argentina. Are they that good ?
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/world-cup
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A few pundits are favouring the Dutch to beat Argentina. Are they that good ?
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/world-cup
Sure by all the experts all you have to do is stop Messi...
Quote from: seafoid on December 09, 2022, 11:37:55 AM
A few pundits are favouring the Dutch to beat Argentina. Are they that good ?
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/world-cup
No but neither are Argentina.
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A few pundits are favouring the Dutch to beat Argentina. Are they that good ?
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/world-cup
No but neither are Argentina.
But they won the Copa America. The Netherlands aren't even the strongest European team.
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A few pundits are favouring the Dutch to beat Argentina. Are they that good ?
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/world-cup
No but neither are Argentina.
But they won the Copa America. The Netherlands aren't even the strongest European team.
If we're going by that the strongest European team are sitting at home lol. Judging Argentina/Holland from what I've seen so far neither are exceptional and probably at similar enough level.
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A few pundits are favouring the Dutch to beat Argentina. Are they that good ?
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/world-cup
I'm thinking it will be another game decided on penalties.
Predicting the ref will get hammered afterwards when/if the Argies lose, the South Americans are a bit 'passionate'?
That Uruguayan team lost the plot
Brazil are like a conference of loop the loops.
Croatia doing well so far.
Going to take a penalty or free kick to win it, Croatia holding them handy enough
It could be a penalty shoot out. Brazil won't be as bad at them as Japan were.
A pretty boring affair so far.
The Rugby World Cup is the same. You have to be able to play against all sorts of styles.
Bad game, both teams too defensive on it.
Croatia with more possession and passes in that 90 minutes.
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Croatia with more possession and passes in that 90 minutes.
Still obsessed with the possession stats
Brazil had 8 shots on target, Croatia 0.
Neymar scores
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Croatia with more possession and passes in that 90 minutes.
Still obsessed with the possession stats
Obsessed? It's interesting stats considering many would have expected Brazil to boss the possession and passing over 90 minutes.
Goal now for Brazil in extra time. Neymar after his 5th attempt on goal in this match?
Neymar had a Larry Reilly moment there and it may have decided the match. You can't defend against that sort of thing.
Brazil are gone very negative. Not a good idea imho.
Bacchi rewarded for his trust and faith in Neymar. A lot of other managers would have him subbed off for his performance long before extra time.
Wow. Great move.
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 09, 2022, 05:23:04 PM
Brazil are gone very negative. Not a good idea imho.
Croatia score
Brazil very vulnerable down left wing.
Brazil aren't dancing now! ;D
tsk tsk
Penalty scored: good penalty
Penalty missed: poor penalty
What are these commentators getting paid for?
Brazil out.
Brazil are out. Wow
Neymar no balls, wanted the glory
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 09, 2022, 05:31:40 PM
Brazil aren't dancing now! ;D
'Dancin' the Chicken Wing' now.
What a game by Modric, am well pleased they got through this game.
Croatia had Blood, Bravery, Guts and Pride.
Brazil have nice silver haircuts.
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That can be binned after the first of the four Quarter finals.
Dancing over for Brazil, Croatia with a 4 million population continue to excel in major tournaments
Great drama, following up on their final appearance last time out
Brazil fell at the first serious hurdle, fell to a technically excellent European team.
What price Juranovitc now?? ;D
Croatia well capable of making final again. Population 3.8m. You have to admire them.
Croatia deserved that, though I would have liked to see a Brazil Argentina semi final.
Hope the Dutch win now!
Quote from: weareros on December 09, 2022, 05:51:53 PM
Croatia well capable of making final again. Population 3.8m. You have to admire them.
An example to small countries like ourselves to what can be done.
What a result. Well done Croatia
Quote from: weareros on December 09, 2022, 05:51:53 PM
Croatia well capable of making final again. Population 3.8m. You have to admire them.
It's their golden generation. Modric is 37.
Brazil were mad to go for the second goal and nobody in the kitchen.
Netherlands to complete operation fortes europa later now.
Quote from: Square Ball on December 09, 2022, 05:48:25 PM
Neymar no balls, wanted the glory
I'm so glad Brazil are gone . Can't bear that neymar toerag
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Quote from: weareros on December 09, 2022, 05:51:53 PM
Croatia well capable of making final again. Population 3.8m. You have to admire them.
An example to small countries like ourselves to what can be done.
You have to remember everybody who plays a team game plays Soccer in Croatia.
Ireland has Gaelic Football, Hurling and Rugby that takes away many available athletic individuals.
Brazil have been knocked out by five different European teams since they won it in 02
France
Netherlands
Germany
Belgium
Croatia
They clearly can't handle decent Europeans opposition when it comes to knockout football
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Croatia well capable of making final again. Population 3.8m. You have to admire them.
An example to small countries like ourselves to what can be done.
You have to remember everybody who plays a team game plays Soccer in Croatia.
Ireland has Gaelic Football, Hurling and Rugby that takes away many available athletic individuals.
Croatia have a tradition of excellence in soccer. There were Croats on the Red Star Belgrade that won the European Cup around 1991.
Yugoslavia always did well at the Euros. Yugoslavia had a super team in 1992 but were banned from the tournament and replaced by Denmark.
When Modric retires Croatia will weaken. Sporting success is always temporary.
Our tradition of excellence is in GAA mostly.
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Croatia well capable of making final again. Population 3.8m. You have to admire them.
An example to small countries like ourselves to what can be done.
You have to remember everybody who plays a team game plays Soccer in Croatia.
Ireland has Gaelic Football, Hurling and Rugby that takes away many available athletic individuals.
They play Basketball and water polo in Croatia also winning medals in the Olympics and world championships
Their population is only 1 million more than that of Leinster. Mad stuff Ted.
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Croatia well capable of making final again. Population 3.8m. You have to admire them.
An example to small countries like ourselves to what can be done.
You have to remember everybody who plays a team game plays Soccer in Croatia.
Ireland has Gaelic Football, Hurling and Rugby that takes away many available athletic individuals.
Croatia have a tradition of excellence in soccer. There were Croats on the Red Star Belgrade that won the European Cup around 1991.
Yugoslavia always did well at the Euros. Yugoslavia had a super team in 1992 but were banned from the tournament and replaced by Denmark.
When Modric retires Croatia will weaken. Sporting success is always temporary.
Our tradition of excellence is in GAA mostly.
Yeah that was a great team. Denmark were second in the qualifying group and went on to win. Although Dragan Stojković of Serbia was the real star of that team. One of the best players I've ever seen. Now manages Serbia.
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Croatia well capable of making final again. Population 3.8m. You have to admire them.
An example to small countries like ourselves to what can be done.
You have to remember everybody who plays a team game plays Soccer in Croatia.
Ireland has Gaelic Football, Hurling and Rugby that takes away many available athletic individuals.
They play Basketball and water polo in Croatia also winning medals in the Olympics and world championships
We win a lot of Olympic medals for Boxing. And I would not see that as a threat to any field team game in regard numbers.
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 09, 2022, 06:08:33 PM
Brazil have been knocked out by five different European teams since they won it in 02
France
Netherlands
Germany
Belgium
Croatia
They clearly can't handle decent Europeans opposition when it comes to knockout football
That is a very interesting stat. European teams won in 06- Italy, 10 -Spain, 14 -Germany, 18 -France
I think such a 4 in a row is unprecedented in the history of the World Cup.
Between 1930 and 1970 South American teams won 5 out of 9 times
Between 1974 and now they won 4/12 instead of 6/12 because of the 4 in a row.
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Croatia well capable of making final again. Population 3.8m. You have to admire them.
An example to small countries like ourselves to what can be done.
You have to remember everybody who plays a team game plays Soccer in Croatia.
Ireland has Gaelic Football, Hurling and Rugby that takes away many available athletic individuals.
They play Basketball and water polo in Croatia also winning medals in the Olympics and world championships
We win a lot of Olympic medals for Boxing. And I would not see that as a threat to any field team game in regard numbers.
Boxing not a team sport.
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Croatia well capable of making final again. Population 3.8m. You have to admire them.
An example to small countries like ourselves to what can be done.
You have to remember everybody who plays a team game plays Soccer in Croatia.
Ireland has Gaelic Football, Hurling and Rugby that takes away many available athletic individuals.
Croatia have a tradition of excellence in soccer. There were Croats on the Red Star Belgrade that won the European Cup around 1991.
Yugoslavia always did well at the Euros. Yugoslavia had a super team in 1992 but were banned from the tournament and replaced by Denmark.
When Modric retires Croatia will weaken. Sporting success is always temporary.
Our tradition of excellence is in GAA mostly.
Yeah that was a great team. Denmark were second in the qualifying group and went on to win. Although Dragan Stojković of Serbia was the real star of that team. One of the best players I've ever seen. Now manages Serbia.
Red Star were a fabulous team. Can't imagine a team from Eastern Europe winning the Champions League next year . It would be like Kildare winning the all Ireland. Money rules now.
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Croatia well capable of making final again. Population 3.8m. You have to admire them.
An example to small countries like ourselves to what can be done.
You have to remember everybody who plays a team game plays Soccer in Croatia.
Ireland has Gaelic Football, Hurling and Rugby that takes away many available athletic individuals.
They play Basketball and water polo in Croatia also winning medals in the Olympics and world championships
We win a lot of Olympic medals for Boxing. And I would not see that as a threat to any field team game in regard numbers.
Boxing not a team sport.
Basketball and Waterpolo are not field sports!
Argentina v Netherlands, there's a Scot playing on each of the teams.
Yugoslavia won the World Youth Championships in 1987. 2 of the strikers were Croatian- Suker and Boban. Top notch.
Croatia always produces good players.
Mol an óige agus tiocfaidh sí
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Croatia well capable of making final again. Population 3.8m. You have to admire them.
An example to small countries like ourselves to what can be done.
You have to remember everybody who plays a team game plays Soccer in Croatia.
Ireland has Gaelic Football, Hurling and Rugby that takes away many available athletic individuals.
They play Basketball and water polo in Croatia also winning medals in the Olympics and world championships
We win a lot of Olympic medals for Boxing. And I would not see that as a threat to any field team game in regard numbers.
Boxing not a team sport.
Basketball and Waterpolo are not field sports!
They are team games
Quote from: seafoid on December 09, 2022, 06:43:36 PM
Yugoslavia won the World Youth Championships in 1987. 2 of the strikers were Croatian- Suker and Boban. Top notch.
Croatia always produces good players.
Mol an óige agus tiocfaidh sí
You're contradicting yourself,
"When Modric retires Croatia will weaken. Sporting success is always temporary"
Quote from: Main Street on December 09, 2022, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 09, 2022, 06:43:36 PM
Yugoslavia won the World Youth Championships in 1987. 2 of the strikers were Croatian- Suker and Boban. Top notch.
Croatia always produces good players.
Mol an óige agus tiocfaidh sí
You're contradicting yourself,
"When Modric retires Croatia will weaken. Sporting success is always temporary"
They can't perform at the same world Cup level indefinitely. But when another good team comes along they have a better chance of getting to that level.
It's the same with Monaghan. Nudie was irreplaceable but McManus rolled up.
Modric feeding the 'pigeons'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cGQSgsj7ys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cGQSgsj7ys)
Game badly needed that goal.
Ah what a pass that was from the greatest player to ever grace the game.
Ivan Yates need to calm down with Yellow Cards.
Quote from: Itchy on December 09, 2022, 07:37:01 PM
Ah what a pass that was from the greatest player to ever grace the game.
What positioning by Molina as well
Been pretty dull ... how does messi get away with not getting a yellow?
Not afraid to dive either
Penalty for Argentina
2-0
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That Yugoslavia team had a better team than the Croatia team of recent years. But the country was always a ethnic melting pot ready to blow when Tito wen, and you had Serbian overseeing the country with only a 1/5th of the population. In a way its like the DUP up here trying to run things with only a 20% odd vote.
I always like Brazil but they didn't win any fans with their dancing crap. Neymar even though he scored a great goal badly let Brazil down in world Cups, Pele didn't,
Dutch goal
2-1
A schemozzle.
Get stuck in, normal gaa game every week
I'll never understand why, when you're chasing a goal, any team would take 2 full mins to hit a free kick that's inevitably going into the wall.
I'm not one to to ever enter a Messi v Ronaldo argument (they've both been magnificent, top 2 players in history possibly).
But at this stage of their careers, whilst it's likely that Ronaldo is holding Portugal back, Argentina without Messi would be little more than a mediocre team with a surplus of cloggers; a Denmark or Sweden.
Stunning.
The Dutch equalise
Absolute scenes.
That's the best free kick I've seen in years
Had a go !! May aswell be beat by 23 as 2
Fair play
Take note Rory Gallagher
Amazing free kick under the circumstances
What drama!!!
Typical South Americans now abusing the ref
Unworldly free kick, audacious.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 09, 2022, 09:04:10 PM
That's the best free kick I've seen in years
Clever free kick, Argentina was for asking for trouble by giving away so many free kicks.
Never seen that move before great.
Fortune favours the brave!
Come on the Dutch
Jack Charlton was right all along, get the big men on, put them under pressure. Lol
No one expects the Dutch free kick inquisition
Messi should be on a red now
Let's see how this pans out now
Messi a crying bollix, always at the ref,
Quote from: Main Street on December 09, 2022, 09:05:26 PM
Unworldly free kick, audacious.
Brilliant
Took about 6 men out of it in a split second. Great thinking
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2022, 09:06:37 PM
Never seen that move before great.
Ironically Argentina did something like it in a past World Cup. Can't remember the game.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2022, 09:07:32 PM
Jack Charlton was right all along, get the big men on, put them under pressure. Lol
Jack is probably having a chuckle in his afterlife.
Quote from: weareros on December 09, 2022, 09:11:57 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2022, 09:06:37 PM
Never seen that move before great.
Ironically Argentina did something like it in a past World Cup. Can't remember the game.
Actually against England.
https://youtu.be/zdSgyZCbly8
Quote from: thewobbler on December 09, 2022, 09:01:25 PM
I'm not one to to ever enter a Messi v Ronaldo argument (they've both been magnificent, top 2 players in history possibly).
But at this stage of their careers, whilst it's likely that Ronaldo is holding Portugal back, Argentina without Messi would be little more than a mediocre team with a surplus of cloggers; a Denmark or Sweden.
Most of the teams with one superstar would be . Wales, Denmark etc
People forget Ronaldo 2yrs older than Messi, he's done, can score goals but not fit enough to give you the rest, tracking bck etc, Some big lads on this Dutch team.
Ref is some yoke, handy with that auld yella.
Quote from: seafoid on December 09, 2022, 09:15:38 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 09, 2022, 09:01:25 PM
I'm not one to to ever enter a Messi v Ronaldo argument (they've both been magnificent, top 2 players in history possibly).
But at this stage of their careers, whilst it's likely that Ronaldo is holding Portugal back, Argentina without Messi would be little more than a mediocre team with a surplus of cloggers; a Denmark or Sweden.
Most of the teams with one superstar would be . Wales, Denmark etc
Argentina'86
Argentina best team was bck on 2006, can't remember 78 team.And they fell flat on their face.
Jesus if Argentina lose this on pens it'll be a crime, by far the best team bar 10mins of dutch hoof ball
Did the Pope forget to say the rosary or something?
Deserve got nothing to do it, down to luck now.
Dutch will win this.
Am on about Ronaldo, he got found out at Man Utd, cause he wasn't fit to press. Age just catches up, a defender u can get away with it by positioning.
VVD misses
Messi doesn't
Berghuis misses
Paredes scores
3-1 now
The amount of penalties that go down the middle, Keeper stand his ground he get 2 out of 5.
Failed panenkas
https://mobile.twitter.com/RothmansYears/status/1598593810233188352
Justice in the end.
The Dutch didn't deserve it
I am gutted.
Fair result in the end, best team goes through. Mad game.
Argentina were by far the better team tonight.
How many suspended for the nxt game, lot of men lost the head.
16 Yellow cards - is that a record for a WC game?
Emi Martinez is a fantastic goalkeeper.
Seriously why do you have a centre back take the first peno?
Quote from: shark on December 09, 2022, 09:39:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 09, 2022, 09:15:38 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 09, 2022, 09:01:25 PM
I'm not one to to ever enter a Messi v Ronaldo argument (they've both been magnificent, top 2 players in history possibly).
But at this stage of their careers, whilst it's likely that Ronaldo is holding Portugal back, Argentina without Messi would be little more than a mediocre team with a surplus of cloggers; a Denmark or Sweden.
Most of the teams with one superstar would be . Wales, Denmark etc
Argentina'86
Valdano wasn't too shabby either
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 09, 2022, 10:01:18 PM
Seriously why do you have a centre back take the first peno?
Because hes unreal at them. Watch his penalties in last year's shootouts for Liverpool.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 09, 2022, 10:01:18 PM
Seriously why do you have a centre back take the first peno?
Assume you put what you consider to be your best takers 1st .
Why do they not take a run up, this starting start never end well for defenders in general. Plus he doesn't really take penalties.
Not the most likeable bunch but happy that Messi still in it
Holland lumped balls inti the box when 2-0 down and got back into it. Stopped doing that in extra time for some reason. Argentina didn't know how to deal with them
Modric v Messi in the semi final. I fancy Messi to come out on top.
The winning penalty was unstoppable.
As it turned out the Dutch were less than the stuff of semi finalists, far less than I had previously thought.
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Quote from: seafoid on December 09, 2022, 11:37:55 AM
A few pundits are favouring the Dutch to beat Argentina. Are they that good ?
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/world-cup
I'm thinking it will be another game decided on penalties.
Not a bad call. Plenty of drama in todays games, tomorrow will likely be more straight forward wins?
Quote from: An Watcher on December 09, 2022, 10:05:38 PM
Holland lumped balls inti the box when 2-0 down and got back into it. Stopped doing that in extra time for some reason. Argentina didn't know how to deal with them
I was wondering the same until the last couple of mins of ET when the Dutch just didn't have the legs to come out of the penalty area and make blocks. They were goosed.
Maybe it took a big effort alright. As long as it wasn't instructions from the sideline to play safe
Twice in the one year the Orangemen lose on penalties :(
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They are scum bags so hope Croatia destroy them.
Love the Argie reaction in that picture. Hard to beat a bit of needle.
I know it's just a still frame but notice Messi's reaction vs his teammates'. An unlikeable bunch
The Argie teams of old were described as having big thighs, long hair, and short tempers.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on December 09, 2022, 10:39:02 PM
I know it's just a still frame but notice Messi's reaction vs his teammates'. An unlikeable bunch
I said the same pretty much but theres now a video of messi shoutin abuse to a dutch player durin interview after match. Miguel delaney on the twitter.
Dont like that pic. No need to gloat once the match is won
There was something going on with the Dutch and Messi early on. Messi and the ref had a long conversation at half time in normal time.
The Argentinians will be great fellas if they beat England in the final.
Quote from: Sportacus on December 09, 2022, 11:23:55 PM
The Argentinians will be great fellas if they beat England in the final.
Pains me to say it but I would rather England win than that shower
The media love in with messi would make you vomit. I really think the guy on the pitch is a wizard but seeing him against Poland initially then tonight it tends to muddy the waters
They are unlikeable as usual, bad winners and worse losers. Hope Croatia turn them over.
Still say he nowhere as good as Maradona and I am well old enough to have seen enough of them play. Messi never had to deal with the legal tackle from behind before it was outlawed. Destroyed many a forward.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2022, 11:53:27 PM
They are unlikeable as usual, bad winners and worse losers. Hope Croatia turn them over.
Would remind you of Tyrone.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2022, 11:53:27 PM
They are unlikeable as usual, bad winners and worse losers. Hope Croatia turn them over.
Would remind you of Tyrone.
Thought the same myself!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2022, 11:56:02 PM
Still say he nowhere as good as Maradona and I am well old enough to have seen enough of them play. Messi never had to deal with the legal tackle from behind before it was outlawed. Destroyed many a forward.
"Nowhere near as good." Such tripe.
Why people feel the need to run down all time greats, I'll never understand.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2022, 11:40:29 PM
The media love in with messi would make you vomit. I really think the guy on the pitch is a wizard but seeing him against Poland initially then tonight it tends to muddy the waters
I would have loved to see him win it, not so sure anymore. Read that it was Weghorst who he made the "what you looking at, fool?" comment to before his interview. Wonder did Weghorst say anything, not very classy in any case, two goal supersub and rolled in his penalty.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 09, 2022, 11:29:06 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on December 09, 2022, 11:23:55 PM
The Argentinians will be great fellas if they beat England in the final.
Pains me to say it but I would rather England win than that shower
I don't know how anyone in this country could want England to win over any other team in the competition no matter what their faults.
I have nothing against the players or the fans but the shite the English media come out with would absolutely do my head in if they won.
The players honestly seem like a nice enough bunch, certainly the most likeable England team in my lifetime. The fans...well, the ones over there right now seem grand, but well, England fans...do I really need to say more?
But yeah, like you say, if they won, their media would be unbearable. And Brexiteers would somehow claim the credit.
American journalist Grant Wahl has passed away in Qatar after the NED-ARG match. His family thinks it wasn't just an accident.
This was his last story yesterday.
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Croatia well capable of making final again. Population 3.8m. You have to admire them.
An example to small countries like ourselves to what can be done.
You have to remember everybody who plays a team game plays Soccer in Croatia.
Ireland has Gaelic Football, Hurling and Rugby that takes away many available athletic individuals.
They play Basketball and water polo in Croatia also winning medals in the Olympics and world championships
We win boxing medals ;) and rowing
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2022, 11:56:02 PM
Still say he nowhere as good as Maradona and I am well old enough to have seen enough of them play. Messi never had to deal with the legal tackle from behind before it was outlawed. Destroyed many a forward.
Messi doesn't have the charisma that Maradona had. He was adored in Naples.
Messi's pass for the Molino goal was superb. He can create something out of nothing.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 10, 2022, 02:50:34 AM
American journalist Grant Wahl has passed away in Qatar after the NED-ARG match. His family thinks it wasn't just an accident.
This was his last story yesterday.
(https://i.postimg.cc/59wKk0DX/Screenshot-2022-12-09-214924.jpg)
Pretty worrying
Read that he had been feeling unwell for a few days, but it's very suspicious. He was detained for wearing a rainbow tshirt earlier in the tournament
Argentina are now 15/8. France with one match more are 17/5.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2022, 11:56:02 PM
Still say he nowhere as good as Maradona and I am well old enough to have seen enough of them play. Messi never had to deal with the legal tackle from behind before it was outlawed. Destroyed many a forward.
Watch some of the tackles he endured in el classico. Pepe, Ramos and carvalho all out to destroy him. He's endured plenty too.
Very sad about the American guy grant wahl.
Quote from: thebuzz on December 10, 2022, 01:16:57 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 09, 2022, 11:29:06 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on December 09, 2022, 11:23:55 PM
The Argentinians will be great fellas if they beat England in the final.
Pains me to say it but I would rather England win than that shower
I don't know how anyone in this country could want England to win over any other team in the competition no matter what their faults.
I have nothing against the players or the fans but the shite the English media come out with would absolutely do my head in if they won.
With you on that one. At the last Euros I thought I didn't mind them as the players seem to be a fairly decent bunch. Then fhe fans started at Wembely. The natural order of things was swiftly restored and I wanted to see them hammered.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 10, 2022, 12:05:45 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2022, 11:56:02 PM
Still say he nowhere as good as Maradona and I am well old enough to have seen enough of them play. Messi never had to deal with the legal tackle from behind before it was outlawed. Destroyed many a forward.
"Nowhere near as good." Such tripe.
Why people feel the need to run down all time greats, I'll never understand.
Yep, that's an idiotic statement. No doubt both were incrediblely skilled players but the major difference for me is Messi sustained the incredible level he plays at for over a decade without dropping a level. He is simply the greatest soccer player ever and I cannot understand how anyone, other than either being thick or contrary, could think otherwise.
Van Gaal has history with the hoof ball tactic, not least against Ireland sept 2001 when facing exit from the WC in the qualifiers. The Dutch ended up with 6 forwards and the ball being relentlessly hoofed in against the elites of the hoof genre.
I don't know how Paredes avoided a second yellow for that ball he hit into the Dutch subs bench and Otamendi only picked up a yellow for a 3 hack tackle, with the 3rd hack entering the top 20 of the Argentinian Hack charts with a bullet.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 09, 2022, 10:28:26 PM
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Only really saw the penalty shootout in the pub but there seemed to be an awful lot of slabbering from both sides during the shootout - People forgeting that Dutch footballers have been a bunch of pricks for decades - Slap it up them I say, and better that the World Cup semis has teams from all across the globe in it, rather than 4 Europeans teams
Quote from: Main Street on December 10, 2022, 09:47:54 AM
Van Gaal has history with the hoof ball tactic, not least against Ireland sept 2001 when facing exit from the WC in the qualifiers. The Dutch ended up with 6 forwards and the ball being relentlessly hoofed in against the elites of the hoof genre.
Then he did the reverse at United. , where he got rid of all the strikers, and decided he'd try and win games without scoring
Always felt he was overrated, LVG
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Quote from: Main Street on December 10, 2022, 09:47:54 AM
Van Gaal has history with the hoof ball tactic, not least against Ireland sept 2001 when facing exit from the WC in the qualifiers. The Dutch ended up with 6 forwards and the ball being relentlessly hoofed in against the elites of the hoof genre.
Then he did the reverse at United. , where he got rid of all the strikers, and decided he'd try and win games without scoring
Always felt he was overrated, LVG
I wouldn't judge any manager by success or otherwise at Man Utd post Fergie
Quote from: CiKe on December 10, 2022, 12:05:53 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2022, 11:40:29 PM
The media love in with messi would make you vomit. I really think the guy on the pitch is a wizard but seeing him against Poland initially then tonight it tends to muddy the waters
I would have loved to see him win it, not so sure anymore. Read that it was Weghorst who he made the "what you looking at, fool?" comment to before his interview. Wonder did Weghorst say anything, not very classy in any case, two goal supersub and rolled in his penalty.
this is the issue when you only see a certain part of something, mainly due to an edit. A bit like that megan markle video doing the rounds on twitter with everyone saying she is mocking the queen
I remember an old Apres Match skit where Bill goes "of course, we would like to wish our friends across the channel the very best tomorrow... France."
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Rub it up them then. Fully warranted reaction from the Argies.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 09, 2022, 09:04:10 PM
That's the best free kick I've seen in years
Absolutely brilliant free. I was buzzing after that. Supposedly brought to the squad by Weghorst himself as well.
Impressive stuff for a player on loan to the Turkish league from a Championship club.
Don't think you could say the argies are angels themselves
Quote from: square_ball on December 10, 2022, 01:17:33 PM
Rub it up them then. Fully warranted reaction from the Argies.
The Argentina players were acting the p***k plenty.
Unlikeable shower of c***ts. Messi included.
Quote from: J70 on December 10, 2022, 01:22:54 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 10, 2022, 01:17:33 PM
Rub it up them then. Fully warranted reaction from the Argies.
The Argentina players were acting the p***k plenty.
Unlikeable shower of c***ts. Messi included.
Louis Van Gaal.comments before game reason for reaction.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/world-cup-2022/2022/1209/1341061-furious-martinez-hits-out-at-useless-referee/
Quote from: smort on December 10, 2022, 01:21:09 PM
Don't think you could say the argies are angels themselves
Apart from Di Maria
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https://www.rte.ie/sport/world-cup-2022/2022/1209/1341061-furious-martinez-hits-out-at-useless-referee/
Why are they complaining about the two frees in injury time?
They were nailed on.
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I read in that report Messi was giving off about the ref! The ref bottled giving him a simple yellow for deliberate handball. Which would have been a red at the end as he received a card late on. Those frees at the end were easy calls also..
The ref ( even the odd time my wife watched the game said he was over dramatic) was brutal for both, how a red card wasn't shown at the end is beyond me, reacting to the subs during the game also was daft.
As for VAR, was it used at all? The penalty was very soft I thought
Quote from: J70 on December 10, 2022, 01:22:54 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 10, 2022, 01:17:33 PM
Rub it up them then. Fully warranted reaction from the Argies.
The Argentina players were acting the p***k plenty.
Unlikeable shower of c***ts. Messi included.
I'd say Messi just acts the maggot when he's back in the Argentina squad and slips seamlessly into the 'team spirit'.
Quote from: J70 on December 10, 2022, 01:22:54 PM
Quote from: square_ball on December 10, 2022, 01:17:33 PM
Rub it up them then. Fully warranted reaction from the Argies.
The Argentina players were acting the p***k plenty.
Unlikeable shower of c***ts. Messi included.
Shower of c***ts acting the pricks against another shower of c***ts. Like I said in a previous post I'd rather that than what we usually get.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2022, 02:00:42 PM
I read in that report Messi was giving off about the ref! The ref bottled giving him a simple yellow for deliberate handball. Which would have been a red at the end as he received a card late on. Those frees at the end were easy calls also..
The ref ( even the odd time my wife watched the game said he was over dramatic) was brutal for both, how a red card wasn't shown at the end is beyond me, reacting to the subs during the game also was daft.
As for VAR, was it used at all? The penalty was very soft I thought
Dumfries was given a red after the shootout.
Penalty was as clear as day, I thought.
Morocco v Portugal will be like Mayo Day in Qatar today!
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2022, 02:00:42 PM
I read in that report Messi was giving off about the ref! The ref bottled giving him a simple yellow for deliberate handball. Which would have been a red at the end as he received a card late on. Those frees at the end were easy calls also..
The ref ( even the odd time my wife watched the game said he was over dramatic) was brutal for both, how a red card wasn't shown at the end is beyond me, reacting to the subs during the game also was daft.
As for VAR, was it used at all? The penalty was very soft I thought
Dumfries was given a red after the shootout.
Penalty was as clear as day, I thought.
It was. And the foul overrode the immediately previous Dutch foul.
As much as I've loved watching Messi over the years the eulogising of him from the pundits is getting hard to listen to. Great pass for the goal.He went awol when the Dutch turned up the heat. He should have been getting on the ball to take some pressure off.
Imo, Modric is the maestro of the tournament, so far.
The media to talk about Ronaldo for the right reasons today by coming off the bench and scoring the winner?
Brazil are on a run like the Cork hurlers.
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Check out Ray Boyne on Twitter - @AnalysisGAA.
Dunno how to link it. But He has a vid which seems to show a few of the Dutch slabbering to Martinez as he was making his way forward to take the final penalty.
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Morocco v Portugal will be like Mayo Day in Qatar today!
One of them guaranteed to get to the Final and lose so....
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Check out Ray Boyne on Twitter - @AnalysisGAA.
Dunno how to link it. But He has a vid which seems to show a few of the Dutch slabbering to Martinez as he was making his way forward to take the final penalty.
they were at it during the game and during the penalties too. Good enugh for the Dutch. Im glad Argentina won. Hope they win the whole thing
Quote from: smort on December 10, 2022, 01:21:09 PM
Don't think you could say the argies are angels themselves
Why are you referring to them as "Argies", a derogatory term the Brits used for them. Are you a little Englander or what's the story?
Ronaldo might have to be brought on here to save the day!
That was some leap
The Dutch have always been a horrible arrogant bunch so won't be losing any sleep over them being knocked out.
Great to see the ref not buying the Portuguese diving
Quote from: Itchy on December 10, 2022, 03:43:34 PM
That was some leap
Cristiano Ronaldo himself or even Pele would have been proud of that leap.
Poor from Costa in goal though, not for the first time.
This is England's best chance to win a World Cup since 2018.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 10, 2022, 04:00:11 PM
This is England's best chance to win a World Cup since 2018.
;D
England can start to believe if they get by France. Would be a watershed moment for this squad.
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Don't think you could say the argies are angels themselves
Why are you referring to them as "Argies", a derogatory term the Brits used for them. Are you a little Englander or what's the story?
While using the 'Brits' :D
A Morocco win puts even more pressure on the French tonight :-[
Morocco to do a Greece , and win the whole thing?
They have an effective system, Morocco. But the football purists in Irish meeja would not like it.
Really poor from Portugal, no cut to them at all.
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Don't think you could say the argies are angels themselves
Why are you referring to them as "Argies", a derogatory term the Brits used for them. Are you a little Englander or what's the story?
While using the 'Brits' :D
Yeh. So what? Last time I checked Ireland wasn't invaded by Argentina
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Don't think you could say the argies are angels themselves
Why are you referring to them as "Argies", a derogatory term the Brits used for them. Are you a little Englander or what's the story?
While using the 'Brits' :D
Yeh. So what? Last time I checked Ireland wasn't invaded by Argentina
So what? Wise up ya Wally
To consider any tournament good it needs a true underdog upsetting the odds, fair play to Morocco for providing that.
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 10, 2022, 04:32:20 PM
Morocco to do a Greece , and win the whole thing?
Wouldn't write them off. Good team.
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Netherlands to complete operation fortes europa later now.
Operation 2 semi finalists
I can only see Morocco winning if France somehow lose tonight. I think France would have too much for them.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on December 10, 2022, 05:08:59 PM
A not insignificant possibility that we might see our first World Cup final not featuring a European team for the first time since 1950.
and 1950 technically did not have a final there was a final group the last match of group stage brazil v uruguay was a defacto final as both teams could win the cup.
Ain't thick Itchy, don't be a w**ker!. Simply remember Maradona playing on a team with very little support with Napoli who were a small team before and after Maradona, playing in a much tougher league. Messi played in a league with only Real Madrid and surrounded by alot of great players, that's the difference between the two.
Argentina started the shit storm when the player kicked the ball deliberately into the Dutch bench starting the fracas, he should been yellowed carded for the bad tackle and again for kicking the ball at the Dutch. They simply an unlikeable team.
;D
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Needle started before the game between Van Gaal and DiMaria, and Messi and Von Gaal. Messi was all wound up, even in after match interview giving the evil eye to the Dutch goal scorer and calling him a fool. At the end of the day it was a full blooded encounter between two great rivals, and will be remembered as one of the great World Cup games. Intimidation of penalty kickers was brutal stuff, and Dutch were worst offenders there, but it was win at all costs patriotism that makes the World Cup great. Best team won in the end.
Quote from: weareros on December 10, 2022, 05:58:00 PM
Needle started before the game between Van Gaal and DiMaria, and Messi and Von Gaal. Messi was all wound up, even in after match interview giving the evil eye to the Dutch goal scorer and calling him a fool. At the end of the day it was a full blooded encounter between two great rivals, and will be remembered as one of the great World Cup games. Intimidation of penalty kickers was brutal stuff, and Dutch were worst offenders there, but it was win at all costs patriotism that makes the World Cup great. Best team won in the end.
The TV feed showed very little of the penalty aggression
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2022, 05:37:50 PM
Ain't thick Itchy, don't be a w**ker!. Simply remember Maradona playing on a team with very little support with Napoli who were a small team before and after Maradona, playing in a much tougher league. Messi played in a league with only Real Madrid and surrounded by alot of great players, that's the difference between the two.
Lots of other differences between the two aswell, some of which are the fact that Messi sustained his performances at the highest level for much longer, won far more, scored far more etc.
As for the Dutch, if they are big enough to give it then they should be able to take it too.
Maradona played in leagues when there was pretty much one nationality across the board. Messi has played against international quality defenders from across the world throughout his league career.
Yes defenders could go through the back of Maradona. But they weren't as good at football. And Maradona never got near messi'a outputs ever.
Maradona the most entertaining player I've ever seen. Maybe the best. But Messi also maybe the best too.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/07/football/morocco-spain-quarter-finals-world-cup-spt-intl/index.html
Allons enfants de la Patrie
Le jour de gloire est arrivé
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Don't think you could say the argies are angels themselves
Why are you referring to them as "Argies", a derogatory term the Brits used for them. Are you a little Englander or what's the story?
While using the 'Brits' :D
Yeh. So what? Last time I checked Ireland wasn't invaded by Argentina
So what? Wise up ya Wally
I expect Brit boys will be referring to France as Frogs tonight too?
Come on France, just f**king win. 🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷
France a different level imo
Nice
Another 2 or 3 and we relax.
Saka fouled ;D
Some strike all the same
Hopefully France can do this because otherwise it's only Croatia I can stand as the rest are unbearable for different reasons
I hope France commit to the counter and they could get 2 or 2 more
Outside the box surely. More controversial decisions go against these c***ts the better.
England are dangerous.
Unfortunately England look threatening but I suspect France will score on the counter.
Commentators only taking about 2 fouls that England weren't given
Lee Dixon is a dose as a commentator
That Tchouameni is a baller. Madrid can find them
Don't want to jinx it, but don't think England have the balls to come from behind here. Hopefully France nick another couple on the counter
Refs aren't buying diving, same in early game. I hope England win. too
2 good teams and loads of intensity.
England the better side in that half yet find themselves behind. Could Pickford have done better on the goal?
Kane always does the same type of dive
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England the better side in that half yet find themselves behind. Could Pickford have done better on the goal?
Not sure what game you are watching
France not done much other than the goal
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 10, 2022, 07:35:50 PM
That Tchouameni is a baller. Madrid can find them
Unearthed him for 80 odd million!
England have been the better side since the goal
I always think the ladies doth protest too much when everyone says how much they want England to fail tbh. England the marginally better side in the 1st half imo.
Jesus that looked a pen
Definitely a foul. Some excuses coming out.
Rice sucked in to follow mbappe for the goal. If you give good teams that much space in an area like that you will get punished.
Quote from: bennydorano on December 10, 2022, 07:59:11 PM
Jesus that looked a pen
Aye looking back on the 2 fouls now if that was against you'd be up on arms
The ball was to his left and he stuck his right leg out to draw a foul. Never a pen to me.
A referee not being fooled by diving
Wonderful to see
Quote from: bennydorano on December 10, 2022, 07:43:59 PM
Refs aren't buying diving, same in early game. I hope England win. too
Who dived?
Lloris is dodgy. England just need to put every corner and cross on top of him.
Penalty to Engerland
Quote from: bennydorano on December 10, 2022, 07:55:56 PM
England the marginally better side in the 1st half imo.
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 10, 2022, 07:52:26 PM
France not done much other than the goal
We watched a different half than Saffrongael.
1-1 now England deserves to be level
Tbf they deserve to be level
You're thinking to yourself England aren't that bad- crowd scan and some w**ker sitting in an RAF hat
Best thing for the match that goal. It has woken France up
Quote from: bennydorano on December 10, 2022, 08:15:56 PM
You're thinking to yourself England aren't that bad- crowd scan and some w**ker sitting in an RAF hat
They needed winston Churchill not Sven goran erikssen to make the 2002 half time speech.
Quote from: bennydorano on December 10, 2022, 08:15:56 PM
You're thinking to yourself England aren't that bad- crowd scan and some w**ker sitting in an RAF hat
A lot of the fans are twats but the players are more likeable than the golden generation except for the 2 cnits rice and grealish
Engerland can go on and win this.
Anybody catch Keane saying "we" when referring to England at half time?
It's there for the taking for England.
Ref has money on France
England have smacht on Mbappe.
Looks like the French can kick sakha for fun ;D
Yes.
Giroud scores
Great goal by maguire 8)
Lol
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on December 10, 2022, 08:38:36 PM
Great goal by maguire 8)
Joe Gomez would have cleared it ;D
Great cross and header. Harry Maguire a spectator to it all.
What a plonker?!
Surely a pen
What's with the French giving away penalties. FFS.
Why has the defender done that the dick
Penalty to England
Another bunch crying bollix looking a man carded, f**kers never score in this game without penalties.
;D
Not justice, but abit Stuart Pearce about that one.
Ha ha
That itv commentator is a twat.
Another World cup where a missed penalty will be the talking point for Englands exit?
In fairness to Kane, he put it beyond the reach of the 'keeper.
What a quote.
When England needed Gary Linikar they got Chris Waddle
They played rightly but no scoring thread outside of free kicks and corners, and France been poor enough, don't know why they don't try To move their forwards about to expose Maguire.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 10, 2022, 08:45:05 PM
That itv commentator is a twat.
Which is why I've been watching with no volume since the 1st French goal
Some f**ker just kicked a ball through my back window, anyone know who owns it
If ever a player deserved to miss. A cheat.
France have been poor. Morocco would fancy their chances
Bringing on sterling was a strange decision
He is not at this level. He is speed wise but that is it.
Missed opportunity for England to win tonight and the World Cup. Also left the Euros behind them last summer and that's what happens when managed by average manager in Southgate.
Mount and sterling both of them are dodgy. Stones wasted so much time when injured. The English should have dragged him off
Thank feck for that.
Never in doubt
Delighted purely after listening to Lee Dixon all night.
Jesus, Ronnie Whelan would sicken your hole.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on December 10, 2022, 09:02:46 PM
Jesus, Ronnie Whelan would sicken your hole.
He actually said Spain earlier in the game
At least posters from the north can have a peaceful Christmas now, with cocktail sausages and brown sauce.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2022, 09:00:42 PM
Missed opportunity for England to win tonight and the World Cup. Also left the Euros behind them last summer and that's what happens when managed by average manager in Southgate.
Southgate gets away with murder. Noone judges him the euros were fine but 2018 they were dreadful stumbled into SF and the whole country lost all reason. This time round lose again against the first actual team they meet
Quote from: weareros on November 22, 2022, 03:54:00 PM
They won't win, for the same reason they backed down on their arm band protest. You either have guts or you haven't. They will eventually serve up a feeble performance like the Euro final against Italy. As always a few jammy decisions will go their way and insufferable bollockes like Piers Morgan will be tweeting it's coming home. It will prove great entertainment in the end with Grealish or 'Arry blasting a peno up to Row Z as a gang of Arab shieks scamper out of the way.
Easy prediction in the end.
Saka best England player by a country mile tonight and Southgate takes him off. Crazy decision.
Thought England were a shoe in to win the whole thing ;D
Plenty of English heads blaming the ball for that penalty miss, not sure about that.
France weren't great tonight but still enough to win will a simliar performance be good enough to beat Morocco next or the final If they reach it?
Thank f**k for that
Quote from: square_ball on December 10, 2022, 09:04:18 PM
Saka best England player by a country mile tonight and Southgate takes him off. Crazy decision.
This plus needed to get foden more in the game.
It's funny reading back the posts now from after the England Iran match, a few fellas really lost the run of themselves over England.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2022, 09:00:42 PM
Missed opportunity for England to win tonight and the World Cup. Also left the Euros behind them last summer and that's what happens when managed by average manager in Southgate.
England have been far more consistent since he took over.
I can now start to enjoy this world cup and get on with cheering for Morocco. A Morocco win would be a sensation.
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 10, 2022, 09:13:12 PM
I can now start to enjoy this world cup and get on with cheering for Morocco. A Morocco win would be a sensation.
Yeah we can all relax and enjoy it now. Morocco winning would be some story but I honestly don't care who wins it now . All that matters is England are out.
They've played 4 powerhouses of world football
Iran USA Wales and Senegal
They now lose to the holders
The itv man pougatch is it, says this was an opportunity missed Morocco in a semi final to get to a world cup final
What drugs are these guys on
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Missed opportunity for England to win tonight and the World Cup. Also left the Euros behind them last summer and that's what happens when managed by average manager in Southgate.
Southgate gets away with murder. Noone judges him the euros were fine but 2018 they were dreadful stumbled into SF and the whole country lost all reason. This time round lose again against the first actual team they meet
More knockout wins than previous 9 managers combined unless i heard the stat wrong
You can be the best team all you want, the object of the game is to score. France under par (and missing a few key players) found a way. That's what teams at the very top do
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2022, 09:00:42 PM
Missed opportunity for England to win tonight and the World Cup. Also left the Euros behind them last summer and that's what happens when managed by average manager in Southgate.
Southgate gets away with murder. Noone judges him the euros were fine but 2018 they were dreadful stumbled into SF and the whole country lost all reason. This time round lose again against the first actual team they meet
More knockout wins than previous 9 managers combined unless i heard the stat wrong
Southgate comes across as a decent spud, not too jingoistic...
Glad to see the hoors out all the same
Bad coach, dodgy keeper and a left back and centre half cant get a game in a mediocre Utd team.
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Bad coach, dodgy keeper and a left back and centre half cant get a game in a mediocre Utd team.
Yep, Pickford should have saved the first one
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Missed opportunity for England to win tonight and the World Cup. Also left the Euros behind them last summer and that's what happens when managed by average manager in Southgate.
Southgate gets away with murder. Noone judges him the euros were fine but 2018 they were dreadful stumbled into SF and the whole country lost all reason. This time round lose again against the first actual team they meet
More knockout wins than previous 9 managers combined unless i heard the stat wrong
That must be horse shit
Unless they are including the likes of allardice
Keane the only one talking sense, at top level sport you have to win. You have to go and get it. There will be a few knighthoods come out of it anyway
Quote from: Saffrongael on December 10, 2022, 09:24:45 PM
You can be the best team all you want, the object of the game is to score. France under par (and missing a few key players) found a way. That's what teams at the very top do
The margins are very small all the same. No different to GAA.
England could have got to play France later in the tournament as well. It just didn't work out that way.
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Quote from: Saffrongael on December 10, 2022, 09:24:45 PM
You can be the best team all you want, the object of the game is to score. France under par (and missing a few key players) found a way. That's what teams at the very top do
The margins are very small all the same. No different to GAA.
England could have got to play France later in the tournament as well. It just didn't work out that way.
They were never going to play them later, one needed not to win their group for that to happen and that was always unlikely
Quote from: square_ball on December 10, 2022, 09:04:18 PM
Saka best England player by a country mile tonight and Southgate takes him off. Crazy decision.
Exactly. Won the pen and ran the French defence ragged most of the game. Unless he had a knock, swapping him for Sterling was daft.
Let's not forget it was France minus Kante, Pogba and Benzema. England couldn't do it, that's the long and short of it.
They are a decent team in their defense but they are not creative enough. Also at this level it's fine margins. The second goal was just a good goal from France but the first was a shot from an area where players at this level should not be getting an opportunity. Rice got drawn to mbappe and left that space and then Pickford should arguably have saved. You make mistakes you get punished and if others make mistakes you have to punish them like the penalty. France were ruthless and England weren't with the Kane miss.
Great. Now we all can get back to hating Megan.
Thought this was strange moment from the TV match Producer.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 10, 2022, 09:00:42 PM
Missed opportunity for England to win tonight and the World Cup. Also left the Euros behind them last summer and that's what happens when managed by average manager in Southgate.
Southgate gets away with murder. Noone judges him the euros were fine but 2018 they were dreadful stumbled into SF and the whole country lost all reason. This time round lose again against the first actual team they meet
More knockout wins than previous 9 managers combined unless i heard the stat wrong
That must be horse shit
Was half listenin, sometime i must checkout.
Its a poisoned chalice hes done as well as he could imo but his record stands up well against capello eriksen, far loftier names. Seems a decent spud too. But anyways..
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 10, 2022, 09:49:56 PM
Thought this was strange moment from the TV match Producer.
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I think it was more a cheer than a laugh but the press will still use to vent some anger
Quote from: Saffrongael on December 10, 2022, 09:24:45 PM
You can be the best team all you want, the object of the game is to score. France under par (and missing a few key players) found a way. That's what teams at the very top do
Is Pogba a key player? More of distraction and blessing for them to be not there. Peak Kante a loss but in current form? Benzema their biggest loss yet would Giroud be starting if he was around?
England remind me of Mayo. Important game there to be won and find a way to lose it
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Quote from: Saffrongael on December 10, 2022, 09:24:45 PM
You can be the best team all you want, the object of the game is to score. France under par (and missing a few key players) found a way. That's what teams at the very top do
Is Pogba a key player? More of distraction and blessing for them to be not there. Peak Kante a loss but in current form? Benzema their biggest loss yet would Giroud be starting if he was around?
England remind me of Mayo. Important game there to be won and find a way to lose it
Like Mayo they seem to try to hard. Over think things. Looking for that edge to cross the line. France look less burdened as the need/expectation is lower from their country. That what winning does. They have the confidence and experience of crossing the line.
Quote from: Orior on December 10, 2022, 09:49:05 PM
Great. Now we all can get back to hating Megan.
Nah. I'll just get back to hating soup drinking bastards like Rice and Grealish. Vive La France.
The reformation of France from November 2009 seems to be complete going by ones here!
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Quote from: Saffrongael on December 10, 2022, 09:24:45 PM
You can be the best team all you want, the object of the game is to score. France under par (and missing a few key players) found a way. That's what teams at the very top do
Is Pogba a key player? More of distraction and blessing for them to be not there. Peak Kante a loss but in current form? Benzema their biggest loss yet would Giroud be starting if he was around?
England remind me of Mayo. Important game there to be won and find a way to lose it
Like Mayo they seem to try to hard. Over think things. Looking for that edge to cross the line. France look less burdened as the need/expectation is lower from their country. That what winning does. They have the confidence and experience of crossing the line.
Walker and saka were brilliant for England, Bellingham looks a great player also. They have real weak links too though. Pickford, maguire and Shaw don't deserve to be on a World Cup winning side. Their young players look good so it wouldn't surprise me if they're knocking about the latter stages of the next few major tournaments.
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Quote from: Saffrongael on December 10, 2022, 09:24:45 PM
You can be the best team all you want, the object of the game is to score. France under par (and missing a few key players) found a way. That's what teams at the very top do
Is Pogba a key player? More of distraction and blessing for them to be not there. Peak Kante a loss but in current form? Benzema their biggest loss yet would Giroud be starting if he was around?
England remind me of Mayo. Important game there to be won and find a way to lose it
France do seem to get something out of Pogba though as you say Kante os a fading force. I thought Giroud was one of the worst players on the pitch but come up with the goal so suppose he done his job. Benzema up front would have given Maguire and Stones nightmares.
I think England will be in contention for the new few tournaments. Though they don't seem to have much coming through up front so once Kane is on the downward spiral I'm not sure who will replace him.
France were good when they needed to be but sat back too much when they went ahead. Brazil were caught out when they became negative after taking the lead against Croatia. Kane let France off the hook.
Can't score from play but complain they been hard done by. As Clint Eastwood would say, Deserve got nothing to do with it. Winners grind out victories even when playing poorly.
I thought England were deliberately diving to win frees and penalties. That saka penalty was no foul. Kane and saka diving all over the shop.
England cried about not getting a penalty then Henderson shoved giroud in the area and the commentators didn't even acknowledge it. A clear penalty. Then Mbappe was blatantly shoved near the corner flag at the end and no foul. England went straight up and might have equalised from the rashford free kick
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 10, 2022, 10:40:38 PM
I thought England were deliberately diving to win frees and penalties. That saka penalty was no foul. Kane and saka diving all over the shop.
England cried about not getting a penalty then Henderson shoved giroud in the area and the commentators didn't even acknowledge it. A clear penalty. Then Mbappe was blatantly shoved near the corner flag at the end and no foul. England went straight up and might have equalised from the rashford free kick
They always dive. Kane has built it into his game and has it down to an art form. Sterling was brought on to do the same. Having said that some of the French defending was suicidal.
I thought England were slightly the better side tonight. Had that penalty gone in, I think they might well have gone on to win the damn thing. But the footballing Gods don't seem to like the English.
This one will have really hurt them. It wasn't like Germany 2010 or Brazil 2002. They were probably the better team tonight and could easily have won.
That 2nd penalty was as stupid a foul as I have seen on a football pitch from the French defender.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 10, 2022, 11:05:49 PM
This one will have really hurt them. It wasn't like Germany 2010 or Brazil 2002. They were probably the better team tonight and could easily have won.
Add to that they would have seen Morocco as a minor annoyance on the way to the final. It'll smart for a long time.
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Quote from: RedHand88 on December 10, 2022, 11:05:49 PM
This one will have really hurt them. It wasn't like Germany 2010 or Brazil 2002. They were probably the better team tonight and could easily have won.
Add to that they would have seen Morocco as a minor annoyance on the way to the final. It'll smart for a long time.
It reminds me of Tyrone 2016. We should have beat Mayo in the quarter final and had chance after chance late on but couldn't take them.
A semi final against Tipperary was left behind that day.
Quote from: square_ball on December 10, 2022, 11:09:48 PM
That 2nd penalty was as stupid a foul as I have seen on a football pitch from the French defender.
Can't believe the ref needed VAR to intervene
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That 2nd penalty was as stupid a foul as I have seen on a football pitch from the French defender.
Can't believe the ref needed VAR to intervene
Given his performance the rest of the night I wouldn't have been suprised if he'd said no.
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Quote from: square_ball on December 10, 2022, 11:09:48 PM
That 2nd penalty was as stupid a foul as I have seen on a football pitch from the French defender.
Can't believe the ref needed VAR to intervene
100%, was pen all day long, then tried to claim it as a fair shoulder to shoulder.
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Quote from: square_ball on December 10, 2022, 11:09:48 PM
That 2nd penalty was as stupid a foul as I have seen on a football pitch from the French defender.
Can't believe the ref needed VAR to intervene
Given his performance the rest of the night I wouldn't have been suprised if he'd said no.
Still better that that balloon last night, mind you he did add to the excitement
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 10, 2022, 11:05:49 PM
This one will have really hurt them. It wasn't like Germany 2010 or Brazil 2002. They were probably the better team tonight and could easily have won.
But they didn't, and that's all that matters
It's looking like a France/Argentina final.
Don't think either side is peaking at the right time - you might say Croatia and Morocco are - but it's looking like the former. Argentina don't seem to know their best side.
Lot of hate for England which is understandable. Southgate getting a lot of blame but he didn't miss that penalty.
England were well in the game and just didn't get the breaks. France are a great team and will probably go on to win from here. Is there any shame in that from England? There shouldn't be and I think Southgate is a good coach but things will go haywire from here.
Who would do a better job than Southgate? I don't think too many! Glad to see the c***ts out though don't get me wrong!!
Breaks? The French defenders gave them three gilt-edged breaks. They just couldn't make them count.
Would like to see an Argentina v France final.
Quote from: screenexile on December 10, 2022, 11:53:35 PM
Lot of hate for England which is understandable. Southgate getting a lot of blame but he didn't miss that penalty.
England were well in the game and just didn't get the breaks. France are a great team and will probably go on to win from here. Is there any shame in that from England? There shouldn't be and I think Southgate is a good coach but things will go haywire from here.
Who would do a better job than Southgate? I don't think too many! Glad to see the c***ts out though don't get me wrong!!
France lucky to get over the line in normal time. Keane unfortunate to come up against a club mate for the Penalties. I'm sure Keane takes dime a dozen against Lloris week in week out in training. Lloris would know a lot about his techniques. England nullified Mbappe and controlled most of the game.
Southgate has been the most stable of English Managers. He ticks the boxes. Gives the media nothing. Even after tonight's game he stayed away from blaming anybody. He has come to a crossroads now, should he persist with the guts of this group or should he start a rebuild. With 2 years on his contract a rebuild would be a problem.
It's a squad of English players that should be challenging for major honours. France played one of their worst matches in this World cup and won.
Southgate doesn't know how to utilize the attacking talent he has at his disposal. his approach is just too mundane and has zero tactical flexibility in him.
Morocco would beat them anyway, just save them abit of pain.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 11, 2022, 12:26:59 AM
It's a squad of English players that should be challenging for major honours. France played one of their worst matches in this World cup and won.
Southgate doesn't know how to utilize the attacking talent he has at his disposal. his approach is just too mundane and has zero tactical flexibility in him.
Wc 2018 semi
Euros 2021 final
Wc 2022 quarters. Bate by current world champs.
That is challenging imo
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 11, 2022, 01:11:19 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 11, 2022, 12:26:59 AM
It's a squad of English players that should be challenging for major honours. France played one of their worst matches in this World cup and won.
Southgate doesn't know how to utilize the attacking talent he has at his disposal. his approach is just too mundane and has zero tactical flexibility in him.
Wc 2018 semi
Euros 2021 final
Wc 2022 quarters. Bate by current world champs.
That is challenging imo
That's my point challenging to be expected with their group of players and would have won at least one of those last three major tournaments with a more tactically astute manager.
That England group will have a good punt at Euro 24, but this was their World Cup moment.
Sure they have a few good young lads, but the spine of the side will be over 30 and on the way down by 2026. 2018 Belgium comes to mind - a dream also guillotined by the French.
Southgate has never disappointed with them. They're steady and reliable, and they beat pretty much all the teams they're supposed to beat. They've also profited from a few fortunate knock-out routes - Senegal, Denmark, Ukraine, Sweden, Colombia. But it's hard to argue that they've ever exceeded expectations under his watch. Only the round-of-16 win over Germany in 2021 (at Wembley) really stands out as a landmark win.
The English FA can afford managers that would be the envy of pretty much every other national federation, but they've stuck with their own man. They'll always wonder if someone with a bit more pedigree might have taken this undoubtedly talented group over the line against France, or Italy, or Croatia.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on December 11, 2022, 01:50:12 AM
That England group will have a good punt at Euro 24, but this was their World Cup moment.
Sure they have a few good young lads, but the spine of the side will be over 30 and on the way down by 2026. 2018 Belgium comes to mind - a dream also guillotined by the French.
Southgate has never disappointed with them. They're steady and reliable, and they beat pretty much all the teams they're supposed to beat. They've also profited from a few fortunate knock-out routes - Senegal, Denmark, Ukraine, Sweden, Colombia. But it's hard to argue that they've ever exceeded expectations under his watch. Only the round-of-16 win over Germany in 2021 (at Wembley) really stands out as a landmark win.
The English FA can afford managers that would be the envy of pretty much every other national federation, but they've stuck with their own man. They'll always wonder if someone with a bit more pedigree might have taken this undoubtedly talented group over the line against France, or Italy, or Croatia.
It will probably take another manager to win something. Southgate took England from nowhere . Psychologically they were hopeless Italy,Germany and even France have won World Cups recently because they know how to win, like Tyrone last year. England don't because 1966 is too long ago. Maybe this loss has whatever they need to learn. They remind me of the Galway hurlers post 2012. Overcoming psychological handicaps is hard.
The EPL will always provide the talent. It's not the same as Belgium.
They just need to win 1 to reset everything, like France did in 1998 or Donegal did in 1992.
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 10, 2022, 10:40:38 PM
I thought England were deliberately diving to win frees and penalties. That saka penalty was no foul. Kane and saka diving all over the shop.
England cried about not getting a penalty then Henderson shoved giroud in the area and the commentators didn't even acknowledge it. A clear penalty. Then Mbappe was blatantly shoved near the corner flag at the end and no foul. England went straight up and might have equalised from the rashford free kick
No love for England but those 2 penalties were as clear as day to say other wise is just silly. On was a trip and the other was a clear shoulder in the back off the ball.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/63932074Saka and Declan Rice were truly outstanding and while Bellingham and Phil Foden were not as influential as in previous games, especially against Senegal, this quartet will be an integral part of England's long-term future.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/world-cup-2022/2022/1210/1341128-argentina-and-netherlands-charged-over-world-cup-fracas/
In relation to the first penalty England didn't get from VAR for the alleged trip on Harry Kane. Could VAR have given a free kick for the foul being outside the area? Or is it a penalty or nothing and VAR decided it wasn't a foul?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 11, 2022, 12:26:59 AM
It's a squad of English players that should be challenging for major honours. France played one of their worst matches in this World cup and won.
Southgate doesn't know how to utilize the attacking talent he has at his disposal. his approach is just too mundane and has zero tactical flexibility in him.
They obviously have some really good young players now but players like pickford, shaw and maguire wouldn't even be close to getting selected for the other big teams. Walker was brilliant at right back and is in the running for a world cup allstar with his main competition being juranovic of celtic who was man of the match v brazil.
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 10, 2022, 10:26:41 PM
France were good when they needed to be but sat back too much when they went ahead. Brazil were caught out when they became negative after taking the lead against Croatia. Kane let France off the hook.
I was sure France were throwing the game away when they sat back and let England boss them for a large part of the game. But France responded well after England equalised, got into their stride, demonstrated they were better team, wanted it more and were rewarded. Had it gone to ET I think France would have had their number.
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 11, 2022, 08:14:46 AM
In relation to the first penalty England didn't get from VAR for the alleged trip on Harry Kane. Could VAR have given a free kick for the foul being outside the area? Or is it a penalty or nothing and VAR decided it wasn't a foul?
It was definitely in the box but VAR said no foul.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 11, 2022, 01:22:00 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 11, 2022, 01:11:19 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 11, 2022, 12:26:59 AM
It's a squad of English players that should be challenging for major honours. France played one of their worst matches in this World cup and won.
Southgate doesn't know how to utilize the attacking talent he has at his disposal. his approach is just too mundane and has zero tactical flexibility in him.
Wc 2018 semi
Euros 2021 final
Wc 2022 quarters. Bate by current world champs.
That is challenging imo
That's my point challenging to be expected with their group of players and would have won at least one of those last three major tournaments with a more tactically astute manager.
As a Galway hurling fan I have a lot of experience with this sort of thing. A team that loses a big match is an incomplete team, even if it only loses by a goal. In order to win , at whatever level, some personnel changes are required. Management changes may also be needed. We won't be seeing some of those England players again.
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Quote from: Capt Pat on December 10, 2022, 10:26:41 PM
France were good when they needed to be but sat back too much when they went ahead. Brazil were caught out when they became negative after taking the lead against Croatia. Kane let France off the hook.
I was sure France were throwing the game away when they sat back and let England boss them for a large part of the game. But France responded well after England equalised, got into their stride, demonstrated they were better team, wanted it more and were rewarded. Had it gone to ET I think France would have had their number.
Hard to know. The wind shifted several times in the Argentina- Netherlands match, for example. At this level nothing is certain.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 11, 2022, 09:00:32 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 11, 2022, 08:14:46 AM
In relation to the first penalty England didn't get from VAR for the alleged trip on Harry Kane. Could VAR have given a free kick for the foul being outside the area? Or is it a penalty or nothing and VAR decided it wasn't a foul?
It was definitely in the box but VAR said no foul.
Where did you see that confirmation?
I haven't seen any confirmation but based on the available angles I think it is more likely that the decided that it definitely was a foul but that it was not clearly and obviously in the penalty area.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2022, 08:44:27 PM
Not justice, but abit Stuart Pearce about that one.
in what way?
Quote from: bennydorano on December 10, 2022, 08:15:56 PM
You're thinking to yourself England aren't that bad- crowd scan and some w**ker sitting in an RAF hat
You must really despise Celtic and Rangers
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Quote from: bennydorano on December 10, 2022, 08:15:56 PM
You're thinking to yourself England aren't that bad- crowd scan and some w**ker sitting in an RAF hat
A lot of the fans are twats but the players are more likeable than the golden generation except for the 2 cnits rice and grealish
Presumably an unfunny joke that?
Never watched it, Xmas do at Europa, just reading the thread like it was live!!
So the Frogs bate the Brits, possibly a showdown with the Argies in the final but hopefully the Croats and the knife wielding Moroccans disrupt the big hitters and make it a entertaining final!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2022, 09:57:18 AM
Never watched it, Xmas do at Europa, just reading the thread like it was live!!
So the Frogs bate the Brits, possibly a showdown with the Argies in the final but hopefully the Croats and the knife wielding Moroccans disrupt the big hitters and make it a entertaining final!
And Dunloy for the hurling
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 10, 2022, 09:13:12 PM
I can now start to enjoy this world cup and get on with cheering for Morocco. A Morocco win would be a sensation.
Morocco or Croatia would be great. Don't like the Argentinians but Messi deserves one
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2022, 09:57:18 AM
Never watched it, Xmas do at Europa, just reading the thread like it was live!!
So the Frogs bate the Brits, possibly a showdown with the Argies in the final but hopefully the Croats and the knife wielding Moroccans disrupt the big hitters and make it a entertaining final!
Some boy from page or two back says we're not allowed to say Argies and youd need to check if Brits and Frogs is acceptable 😉😃
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 11, 2022, 10:16:07 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2022, 09:57:18 AM
Never watched it, Xmas do at Europa, just reading the thread like it was live!!
So the Frogs bate the Brits, possibly a showdown with the Argies in the final but hopefully the Croats and the knife wielding Moroccans disrupt the big hitters and make it a entertaining final!
Some boy from page or two back says we're not allowed to say Argies and youd need to check if Brits and Frogs is acceptable 😉😃
But knife wielding Moroccans is fine, presumably? ;D
I presumed it's ok as everyone was happy with those derogatory terms, my bad :D
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 11, 2022, 08:14:46 AM
In relation to the first penalty England didn't get from VAR for the alleged trip on Harry Kane. Could VAR have given a free kick for the foul being outside the area? Or is it a penalty or nothing and VAR decided it wasn't a foul?
VAR can't give a foul in that instance, it's a penalty check, so penalty or nothing
I hope you didn't shit in your union jack boxers last night Miltown.
Quote from: smelmoth on December 11, 2022, 09:24:42 AM
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Quote from: Capt Pat on December 11, 2022, 08:14:46 AM
In relation to the first penalty England didn't get from VAR for the alleged trip on Harry Kane. Could VAR have given a free kick for the foul being outside the area? Or is it a penalty or nothing and VAR decided it wasn't a foul?
It was definitely in the box but VAR said no foul.
Where did you see that confirmation?
I haven't seen any confirmation but based on the available angles I think it is more likely that the decided that it definitely was a foul but that it was not clearly and obviously in the penalty area.
I was about to say that's not how VAR works but given that they haven't even coming close to following the rules on how VAR works in this tournament who knows.
My understanding of what is supposed to happen is:
As whether it was inside or outside is a matter fact, clear and obvious doesn't come into it. As whether it was a foul or not is a matter of opinion they can only interfere if they feel the referee has made a clear and obvious error. This is supposed to ensure consistency by having the onfield referee make the decisions.
The bit that gets me about that approach though is to know why the ref has made a decision is essential in order to know if he's made a clear and obvious error. For example if he doesn't give a handball because he felt it didn't hit a hand then it might be clear and obvious on replay it did and he should be asked to relook at it to check if its intentional but if he doesn't give it because he thinks it did hit the hand but wasn't intentional then VAR probably shouldn't get involved certainly not as quickly.
This is compounded by what happens if VAR asks the ref why he made his decision because if VAR then has to intervene and ask him to look at the monitor VAR has to be saying, i know why you made that decision but you have made a clear and obvious error please reconsider it. Very few refs are going to change their minds in that circumstance and all of sudden you effectively have the VAR official making the decision and not the onfield referee.
Have FIFA yet explained why they didn't interfere on either the Kane incident or the Bellingham incident in the second half? I would be interested to know how they approached those.
Anyway even before its introduction I have long said, I hate VAR
France slight favourites
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/world-cup
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Quote from: Capt Pat on December 11, 2022, 08:14:46 AM
In relation to the first penalty England didn't get from VAR for the alleged trip on Harry Kane. Could VAR have given a free kick for the foul being outside the area? Or is it a penalty or nothing and VAR decided it wasn't a foul?
It was definitely in the box but VAR said no foul.
Where did you see that confirmation?
I haven't seen any confirmation but based on the available angles I think it is more likely that the decided that it definitely was a foul but that it was not clearly and obviously in the penalty area.
I was about to say that's not how VAR works but given that they haven't even coming close to following the rules on how VAR works in this tournament who knows.
My understanding of what is supposed to happen is:
As whether it was inside or outside is a matter fact, clear and obvious doesn't come into it. As whether it was a foul or not is a matter of opinion they can only interfere if they feel the referee has made a clear and obvious error. This is supposed to ensure consistency by having the onfield referee make the decisions.
The bit that gets me about that approach though is to know why the ref has made a decision is essential in order to know if he's made a clear and obvious error. For example if he doesn't give a handball because he felt it didn't hit a hand then it might be clear and obvious on replay it did and he should be asked to relook at it to check if its intentional but if he doesn't give it because he thinks it did hit the hand but wasn't intentional then VAR probably shouldn't get involved certainly not as quickly.
This is compounded by what happens if VAR asks the ref why he made his decision because if VAR then has to intervene and ask him to look at the monitor VAR has to be saying, i know why you made that decision but you have made a clear and obvious error please reconsider it. Very few refs are going to change their minds in that circumstance and all of sudden you effectively have the VAR official making the decision and not the onfield referee.
Have FIFA yet explained why they didn't interfere on either the Kane incident or the Bellingham incident in the second half? I would be interested to know how they approached those.
Anyway even before its introduction I have long said, I hate VAR
The obvious question then is, as a matter of fact was it inside or outside the penalty area?
Jamie Carragher just said it was outside the box
England need to find a few more commanding figures at the back if they're going to ever win a trophy. Just lack the bit of grit that's needed to win stuff.
Would think France are the best equipped to win it now - they have the creativity and know how to do get a result. But who knows.
Quote from: Itchy on December 11, 2022, 10:32:19 AM
I hope you didn't shit in your union jack boxers last night Miltown.
Was touch and go but I think the sheets at the Europa were fine! I stayed off the Guinness
Quote from: Armamike on December 11, 2022, 12:24:10 PM
England need to find a few more commanding figures at the back if they're going to ever win a trophy. Just lack the bit of grit that's needed to win stuff.
Would think France are the best equipped to win it now - they have the creativity and know how to do get a result. But who knows.
Englands problem is one of a losing culture in terms of playing the big teams. France were really poor for much of the game but still got over the line. England should have had enough to win it but found a way to lose. Not sure will more players change a cultural issue - thankfully
Just read an interesting fact onlin. Here's what teams England have beaten in the last 5 world cups
Senegal, Wales, Iran , Sweden, Colombia (on penalties) , Panama, Tunisia, Slovenia, Paraguay, Trinidad and Tobago
They have failed to beat the likes of France Germany Italy Belgium Croatia Portugal Brazil etc when it really mattered
To put things in perspective, Morocco have already beat Belgium Spain and Portugal at this World Cup alone
But they beat The Germans when it mattered lol 66
Read a couple of food columns today, by Mark Ogden & Miguel Delaney, went against the trend of the other journos (who are probably not being too critical so they can ghost write a book for the players)
Basically that it was there for England, they beat who they should have and first tough game they lost. Ogden I think made the point that Southgate again was too negative, Henderson & Rice ??? And that they still don't have a midfield playmaker that can control the game. Foden maybe fits the bill but he had him out on the wing
Southgate has played the media perfectly in fairness to him. Bring them into the training camp for a few games of darts and a bit of 'bantz' with the players and any chance of a bit of criticism goes out the window.
Ireland could only dream of reaching the tournament never mind winning through to the quarter final. I remember the celebrations when Ireland got a point at the world cup, completely mad. Southgate has done a good job when you look at his results since he took charge.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 11, 2022, 06:12:22 PM
Ireland could only dream of reaching the tournament never mind winning through to the quarter final. I remember the celebrations when Ireland got a point at the world cup, completely mad. Southgate has done a good job when you look at his results since he took charge.
No he hasn't. They beat the bad teams then shite the togs at the first sign of pressure. Best squad in the tournament on paper but closest thing to a good team he's beat was Germany who've proven since that they aren't all that anyway.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on December 11, 2022, 06:12:22 PM
Ireland could only dream of reaching the tournament never mind winning through to the quarter final. I remember the celebrations when Ireland got a point at the world cup, completely mad. Southgate has done a good job when you look at his results since he took charge.
No he hasn't. They beat the bad teams then shite the togs at the first sign of pressure. Best squad in the tournament on paper but closest thing to a good team he's beat was Germany who've proven since that they aren't all that anyway.
You can only play against the teams that you are drawn against.. they got to the Finals of the Euros and they qualify handy enough for these tournaments.
Brazil went out as did Belgium 1 and 2 in the world rankings, Spain duffed out too
They had a chance and fluffed their lines
They are a decent team now but they have more weaknesses than the best ones. Luke Shaw and Maguire probably not at this level. Bellingham a massive addition. Also they play Kane too deep. It has big advantages in some ways but ultimately leaves them with nothing through the middle when it comes to creating and that costs them.
I think Southgate has done a good job though shouldn't have taken Saka off.
Englands 'strongest' starting xi imo now would be
Ramsdale GK
James RB
Tomori CB
Stones CB
Shaw LB
Rice CDM
Bellingham CM
Mount CM
Saka RW
Rashford LW
Kane ST
Quote from: Nanderson on December 11, 2022, 07:09:40 PM
Englands 'strongest' starting xi imo now would be
Ramsdale GK
James RB
Tomori CB
Stones CB
Shaw LB
Rice CDM
Bellingham CM
Mount CM
Saka RW
Rashford LW
Kane ST
With Foden to come off the bench?
No way Rashford in instead of Foden. I don't see how you could not start Walker either.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 11, 2022, 06:58:21 PM
They are a decent team now but they have more weaknesses than the best ones. Luke Shaw and Maguire probably not at this level. Bellingham a massive addition. Also they play Kane too deep. It has big advantages in some ways but ultimately leaves them with nothing through the middle when it comes to creating and that costs them.
I think Southgate has done a good job though shouldn't have taken Saka off.
England have the EPL in their favour. Probably the world's top league and a great proving ground for new talent.
It also means that there is a constant supply of new players.
Croatia will soon be in transition. Germany, Italy , Spain, Denmark and Belgium already are.
England could win the next World Cup. They needed to get organised.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 11, 2022, 06:12:22 PM
Ireland could only dream of reaching the tournament never mind winning through to the quarter final. I remember the celebrations when Ireland got a point at the world cup, completely mad. Southgate has done a good job when you look at his results since he took charge.
You are comparing apples with oranges
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Quote from: nrico2006 on December 11, 2022, 06:12:22 PM
Ireland could only dream of reaching the tournament never mind winning through to the quarter final. I remember the celebrations when Ireland got a point at the world cup, completely mad. Southgate has done a good job when you look at his results since he took charge.
No he hasn't. They beat the bad teams then shite the togs at the first sign of pressure. Best squad in the tournament on paper but closest thing to a good team he's beat was Germany who've proven since that they aren't all that anyway.
You can only play against the teams that you are drawn against.. they got to the Finals of the Euros and they qualify handy enough for these tournaments.
Brazil went out as did Belgium 1 and 2 in the world rankings, Spain duffed out too
They had a chance and fluffed their lines
and when they are drawn against a good team, they can't get the job done. See Belgium in 2018 group stage, Belgium in 2018 3rd place play off, Croatia 2018, Italy 2021 and now France.
If they had a top manager in charge they'd be winning trophies, too much talent in that team not to. Kane won't be around for ever either and he'll be a massive loss when he slows up.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 11, 2022, 07:16:32 PM
No way Rashford in instead of Foden. I don't see how you could not start Walker either.
Can play both by keeping Mount on the bench. Getting the best out of Foden in a England shirt should be one of their objectives moving forward. Walker showed his worth by marking Mbappe out of the game last night.
Luke Shaw and Maguire have rarely performed poorly for England and the latter is more suited to the slower paced game and Southgate makes sure to use/play two defensive midfielders.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on December 11, 2022, 06:12:22 PM
Ireland could only dream of reaching the tournament never mind winning through to the quarter final. I remember the celebrations when Ireland got a point at the world cup, completely mad. Southgate has done a good job when you look at his results since he took charge.
No he hasn't. They beat the bad teams then shite the togs at the first sign of pressure. Best squad in the tournament on paper but closest thing to a good team he's beat was Germany who've proven since that they aren't all that anyway.
You can only play against the teams that you are drawn against.. they got to the Finals of the Euros and they qualify handy enough for these tournaments.
Brazil went out as did Belgium 1 and 2 in the world rankings, Spain duffed out too
They had a chance and fluffed their lines
and when they are drawn against a good team, they can't get the job done. See Belgium in 2018 group stage, Belgium in 2018 3rd place play off, Croatia 2018, Italy 2021 and now France.
If they had a top manager in charge they'd be winning trophies, too much talent in that team not to. Kane won't be around for ever either and he'll be a massive loss when he slows up.
You could say the same about Derry, Armagh or Galway. Losers always need new players. that's sport.
The question is how far away England are. I think they had quite a good tournament. Bellingham really made his name.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on December 11, 2022, 06:12:22 PM
Ireland could only dream of reaching the tournament never mind winning through to the quarter final. I remember the celebrations when Ireland got a point at the world cup, completely mad. Southgate has done a good job when you look at his results since he took charge.
No he hasn’t. They beat the bad teams then shite the togs at the first sign of pressure. Best squad in the tournament on paper but closest thing to a good team he’s beat was Germany who’ve proven since that they aren’t all that anyway.
You can only play against the teams that you are drawn against.. they got to the Finals of the Euros and they qualify handy enough for these tournaments.
Brazil went out as did Belgium 1 and 2 in the world rankings, Spain duffed out too
They had a chance and fluffed their lines
and when they are drawn against a good team, they can’t get the job done. See Belgium in 2018 group stage, Belgium in 2018 3rd place play off, Croatia 2018, Italy 2021 and now France.
If they had a top manager in charge they’d be winning trophies, too much talent in that team not to. Kane won’t be around for ever either and he’ll be a massive loss when he slows up.
You could say the same about Derry, Armagh or Galway. Losers always need new players. that's sport.
The question is how far away England are. I think they had quite a good tournament. Bellingham really made his name.
Kerry would be a better example and once they brought Jack O'Connor back Sam was reclaimed. Arguably England might have already blown their best chance of winning a major honour by sticking with Southgate as the team/squad his replacement takes over probably won't be as strong.
P. S Bellingham had already made his name in Germany and the Champions league.
Southgate is too cautious. Safety first. Two defensive midfielders
Sven was similar. The old saying was when England needed a goal or fell behind , Sven brought off a forward and put on a right back.
England don't have someone who can really make a difference . Foden to a certain extent , but he's not going to dominate the middle and thread balls in for strikers , the way a zidane/maradona would have done.
Some of the passes messi has played in Argentina games has been wonderful. Something different, and that something different from messi might well win them the World Cup
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 11, 2022, 04:44:39 PM
Just read an interesting fact onlin. Here's what teams England have beaten in the last 5 world cups
Senegal, Wales, Iran , Sweden, Colombia (on penalties) , Panama, Tunisia, Slovenia, Paraguay, Trinidad and Tobago
They have failed to beat the likes of France Germany Italy Belgium Croatia Portugal Brazil etc when it really mattered
To put things in perspective, Morocco have already beat Belgium Spain and Portugal at this World Cup alone
They also failed to beat the likes of Iceland when it really mattered.
Tbf you can't compare foden and messi....a young English player with a bit of technical ability with possibly the greatest player of all time
I think if England uncovered a pair of world class centre backs, then they could go on the front foot more, and then they would be very dangerous. But I don't think those two defenders are coming along anywhere
England do have a touch of the Mayo about them, they always appear to come out the wrong side of 50/50 crunch games. Conservatism is par for the course tho in International management, but the fact that he went for Sterling as his go to option perplexed me tbh, I think he's lost it big time and not a huge Mount fan either.
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England need to find a few more commanding figures at the back if they're going to ever win a trophy. Just lack the bit of grit that's needed to win stuff.
Would think France are the best equipped to win it now - they have the creativity and know how to do get a result. But who knows.
Englands problem is one of a losing culture in terms of playing the big teams. France were really poor for much of the game but still got over the line. England should have had enough to win it but found a way to lose. Not sure will more players change a cultural issue - thankfully
Yes, agree with that. I was referring to the losing mentality when I mentioned grit. There's just a mental softness or lack of ruthlessness to them that they either try to address in some way as a collective or they hope to find a leader from the back in the mould of a Puyol. For a country of England's size they really should be pushing to win a tournament.
Until a team becomes successful, the manager doesn't know which team is good enough. In a winning team, there is gradual change.
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Just read an interesting fact onlin. Here's what teams England have beaten in the last 5 world cups
Senegal, Wales, Iran , Sweden, Colombia (on penalties) , Panama, Tunisia, Slovenia, Paraguay, Trinidad and Tobago
They have failed to beat the likes of France Germany Italy Belgium Croatia Portugal Brazil etc when it really mattered
To put things in perspective, Morocco have already beat Belgium Spain and Portugal at this World Cup alone
They also failed to beat the likes of Iceland when it really mattered.
England beat Germany at Euro 2020.
England have one of the best teams in the World and should have beat France. Problem is they have Southgate as a Manager. Belgium did the same. They gave one of their best teams to a Manager who can't get a job in the Premier League. Southgate is a nice guy. And that's his downfall. Not picking in form players like Rashford and Foden was his undoing.
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Quote from: AustinPowers on December 11, 2022, 04:44:39 PM
Just read an interesting fact onlin. Here's what teams England have beaten in the last 5 world cups
Senegal, Wales, Iran , Sweden, Colombia (on penalties) , Panama, Tunisia, Slovenia, Paraguay, Trinidad and Tobago
They have failed to beat the likes of France Germany Italy Belgium Croatia Portugal Brazil etc when it really mattered
To put things in perspective, Morocco have already beat Belgium Spain and Portugal at this World Cup alone
They also failed to beat the likes of Iceland when it really mattered.
England beat Germany at Euro 2020.
England have one of the best teams in the World and should have beat France. Problem is they have Southgate as a Manager. Belgium did the same. They gave one of their best teams to a Manager who can't get a job in the Premier League. Southgate is a nice guy. And that's his downfall. Not picking in form players like Rashford and Foden was his undoing.
That French defence is all over the shop and rash as fúck. They were lucky to get away with only conceding the two penalties.
France better score 2 or 3 against Morocco as I can see Morocco score against them.
Quote from: johnnycool on December 12, 2022, 10:53:28 AM
That French defence is all over the shop and rash as fúck. They were lucky to get away with only conceding the two penalties.
France better score 2 or 3 against Morocco as I can see Morocco score against them.
Surely they can control the more outrageous tackles and keep the penalty count down.
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Quote from: Main Street on December 11, 2022, 09:41:56 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 11, 2022, 04:44:39 PM
Just read an interesting fact onlin. Here's what teams England have beaten in the last 5 world cups
Senegal, Wales, Iran , Sweden, Colombia (on penalties) , Panama, Tunisia, Slovenia, Paraguay, Trinidad and Tobago
They have failed to beat the likes of France Germany Italy Belgium Croatia Portugal Brazil etc when it really mattered
To put things in perspective, Morocco have already beat Belgium Spain and Portugal at this World Cup alone
They also failed to beat the likes of Iceland when it really mattered.
England beat Germany at Euro 2020.
England have one of the best teams in the World and should have beat France. Problem is they have Southgate as a Manager. Belgium did the same. They gave one of their best teams to a Manager who can't get a job in the Premier League. Southgate is a nice guy. And that's his downfall. Not picking in form players like Rashford and Foden was his undoing.
That French defence is all over the shop and rash as fúck. They were lucky to get away with only conceding the two penalties.
France better score 2 or 3 against Morocco as I can see Morocco score against them.
The final stages are great for exposing weaknesses.
England v France was gladiatorial.
Franced were poxed with the second penalty.
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That French defence is all over the shop and rash as fúck. They were lucky to get away with only conceding the two penalties.
France better score 2 or 3 against Morocco as I can see Morocco score against them.
Surely they can control the more outrageous tackles and keep the penalty count down.
None of the other 3 attacks left are anywhere near as dangerous as Englands so I think France will cope a whole lot better.
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That French defence is all over the shop and rash as fúck. They were lucky to get away with only conceding the two penalties.
France better score 2 or 3 against Morocco as I can see Morocco score against them.
Surely they can control the more outrageous tackles and keep the penalty count down.
None of the other 3 attacks left are anywhere near as dangerous as Englands so I think France will cope a whole lot better.
Argentina can score a goal from nothing.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/england-winners-t-shirts-company-b2243546.html
Am all on for Morocco from here on in. As Kevin Keegan would say, I just love it if we beat them, just love it. lol
Journalism at its lowest.
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Missed opportunity for England to win tonight and the World Cup. Also left the Euros behind them last summer and that's what happens when managed by average manager in Southgate.
Southgate gets away with murder. Noone judges him the euros were fine but 2018 they were dreadful stumbled into SF and the whole country lost all reason. This time round lose again against the first actual team they meet
More knockout wins than previous 9 managers combined unless i heard the stat wrong
That must be horse shit
Was half listenin, sometime i must checkout.
Its a poisoned chalice hes done as well as he could imo but his record stands up well against capello eriksen, far loftier names. Seems a decent spud too. But anyways..
Between 1968 and 2016 England won 6 knockout games. Same as Southgate 2018 to 2022 (i didnt go looking this i promise lol it popped up on me twitter) id say this relates to the 9 managers stat...
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Missed opportunity for England to win tonight and the World Cup. Also left the Euros behind them last summer and that's what happens when managed by average manager in Southgate.
Southgate gets away with murder. Noone judges him the euros were fine but 2018 they were dreadful stumbled into SF and the whole country lost all reason. This time round lose again against the first actual team they meet
More knockout wins than previous 9 managers combined unless i heard the stat wrong
That must be horse shit
Was half listenin, sometime i must checkout.
Its a poisoned chalice hes done as well as he could imo but his record stands up well against capello eriksen, far loftier names. Seems a decent spud too. But anyways..
Between 1968 and 2016 England won 6 knockout games. Same as Southgate 2018 to 2022 (i didnt go looking this i promise lol it popped up on me twitter) id say this relates to the 9 managers stat...
England did not qualify for the 1974, 1978 and 1994 world cups and for 1964, 1972, 1976, 1984 and 2008 Euros.
It's amazing that when their clubs were winning European Cups for fun, they were in limbo internationally.
Thought that meself on some those years Bunker suppose it shows ye how "facts" can be manipulated. Suppose its true to an extent.
An 8 team Euros was a tough one to get into, shows ye where they were at for plenty of years too
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Thought that meself on some those years Bunker suppose it shows ye how "facts" can be manipulated. Suppose its true to an extent.
An 8 team Euros was a tough one to get into, shows ye where they were at for plenty of years too
Liverpool who were the team at the time. Had only one starter in their first game in 1982 WC v France - Phil Thompson.
Kerry have won no World Cups
Quote from: seafoid on December 12, 2022, 09:17:28 PM
Kerry have won no World Cups
How many would Dublin have if they got the chance
No Kante, Pogba (who actually does a job for France) and Benzema and they should still win it.
That is some going.
England need some proper defenders with pace. Their whole setup seems to be based on covering two centre backs.
Pogba no loss for them to be honest.
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Missed opportunity for England to win tonight and the World Cup. Also left the Euros behind them last summer and that's what happens when managed by average manager in Southgate.
Southgate gets away with murder. Noone judges him the euros were fine but 2018 they were dreadful stumbled into SF and the whole country lost all reason. This time round lose again against the first actual team they meet
More knockout wins than previous 9 managers combined unless i heard the stat wrong
That must be horse shit
Was half listenin, sometime i must checkout.
Its a poisoned chalice hes done as well as he could imo but his record stands up well against capello eriksen, far loftier names. Seems a decent spud too. But anyways..
Between 1968 and 2016 England won 6 knockout games. Same as Southgate 2018 to 2022 (i didnt go looking this i promise lol it popped up on me twitter) id say this relates to the 9 managers stat...
England did not qualify for the 1974, 1978 and 1994 world cups and for 1964, 1972, 1976, 1984 and 2008 Euros.
It's amazing that when their clubs were winning European Cups for fun, they were in limbo internationally.
That's mad really . So they missed 6 tournaments out of 11, in a 20 year period , and technically they only properly qualified for 1 World Cup (1982) in that time
if they played in 5 of the tournaments - how did they only qualify once? :-\
Euros in the 60s and 70s only had 4 teams after qualifying i think the first couple of euros were basically same format as the old european cup a open draw two leg knockout then in the case of the euros the last 4 went into a single leg tournament in one country,
Some are still fixated on England?? England are beaten, gone home after having achieved a bit part in the history of WC2022.
I heard some reported comments that the players want to go on and win the cup for Messi. That's sentimental nonsense, rather it's about time that Messi and the other players win it for Argentina. That's honor enough. Messi has underperformed in previous WC tournaments.
What's the story with portugal and the ref against Morocco? Portugal seemed to think the ref shafted them because he was argentinian. Why would he do that??
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 13, 2022, 09:35:50 AM
What's the story with portugal and the ref against Morocco? Portugal seemed to think the ref shafted them because he was argentinian. Why would he do that??
Deflection from a poor performance, they knew before the game he was from Argentina, plenty of time to object then, but sure it was only Morocco and probably thought it was handy one..
Out along with England, complaining about the ref's as well, hard to take their own performance, far easier to get a scapegoat..
The best one was Dixon saying the ref didn't want to give them a corner when Courtois handled the ball and it went out.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2022, 05:00:59 AM
if they played in 5 of the tournaments - how did they only qualify once? :-\
I was concentrating more on the world cups , so in 1966 they qualified as hosts and in 1970 as holders .
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 13, 2022, 09:57:28 AM
The best one was Dixon saying the ref didn't want to give them a corner when Courtois handled the ball and it went out.
Fúckin hell, things were really stacked against England when they allowed France to play Courtois in goals for them.
Quote from: Main Street on December 13, 2022, 09:10:10 AM
Some are still fixated on England?? England are beaten, gone home after having achieved a bit part in the history of WC2022.
I heard some reported comments that the players want to go on and win the cup for Messi. That's sentimental nonsense, rather it's about time that Messi and the other players win it for Argentina. That's honor enough. Messi has underperformed in previous WC tournaments.
Other sentimental tosh doing the rounds is that Messi deserves a World Cup medal. Does he fcuk - deserve's got nothing to do with it.
Quote from: Main Street on December 13, 2022, 09:10:10 AM
Some are still fixated on England?? England are beaten, gone home after having achieved a bit part in the history of WC2022.
I heard some reported comments that the players want to go on and win the cup for Messi. That's sentimental nonsense, rather it's about time that Messi and the other players win it for Argentina. That's honor enough. Messi has underperformed in previous WC tournaments.
He won the golden Ball in 2014 hardly underperforming now
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Quote from: Main Street on December 13, 2022, 09:10:10 AM
Some are still fixated on England?? England are beaten, gone home after having achieved a bit part in the history of WC2022.
I heard some reported comments that the players want to go on and win the cup for Messi. That's sentimental nonsense, rather it's about time that Messi and the other players win it for Argentina. That's honor enough. Messi has underperformed in previous WC tournaments.
He won the golden Ball in 2014 hardly underperforming now
He wasn't even Argentina's best player that competition. Di Maria was. It was given to Messi because he is Messi.
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Some are still fixated on England?? England are beaten, gone home after having achieved a bit part in the history of WC2022.
I heard some reported comments that the players want to go on and win the cup for Messi. That's sentimental nonsense, rather it's about time that Messi and the other players win it for Argentina. That's honor enough. Messi has underperformed in previous WC tournaments.
He won the golden Ball in 2014 hardly underperforming now
He wasn't even Argentina's best player that competition. Di Maria was. It was given to Messi because he is Messi.
Yep. Been good this year though
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Quote from: Main Street on December 13, 2022, 09:10:10 AM
Some are still fixated on England?? England are beaten, gone home after having achieved a bit part in the history of WC2022.
I heard some reported comments that the players want to go on and win the cup for Messi. That's sentimental nonsense, rather it's about time that Messi and the other players win it for Argentina. That's honor enough. Messi has underperformed in previous WC tournaments.
He won the golden Ball in 2014 hardly underperforming now
He wasn't even Argentina's best player that competition. Di Maria was. It was given to Messi because he is Messi.
Agreed...he was no where near his Barca form...he's been much better this tournament
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Some are still fixated on England?? England are beaten, gone home after having achieved a bit part in the history of WC2022.
I heard some reported comments that the players want to go on and win the cup for Messi. That's sentimental nonsense, rather it's about time that Messi and the other players win it for Argentina. That's honor enough. Messi has underperformed in previous WC tournaments.
He won the golden Ball in 2014 hardly underperforming now
He wasn't even Argentina's best player that competition. Di Maria was. It was given to Messi because he is Messi.
Agreed...he was no where near his Barca form...he's been much better this tournament
This is his best wc showing, I'd have him down as the player of the tournament thus far
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Some are still fixated on England?? England are beaten, gone home after having achieved a bit part in the history of WC2022.
I heard some reported comments that the players want to go on and win the cup for Messi. That's sentimental nonsense, rather it's about time that Messi and the other players win it for Argentina. That's honor enough. Messi has underperformed in previous WC tournaments.
He won the golden Ball in 2014 hardly underperforming now
He wasn't even Argentina's best player that competition. Di Maria was. It was given to Messi because he is Messi.
Agreed...he was no where near his Barca form...he's been much better this tournament
This is his best wc showing, I'd have him down as the player of the tournament thus far
Yea, can't think of anyone really who has had as much influence.
Maybe you could argue Mbappe or Modric but their countries will have to win the World Cup
Messi scored 4 and assisted 1 in 2014.. Di Maria only scored one and was injured last 2 games.
POTT for me this World Cup has been Messi, the Croatia goalkeeper or Arambat for Morocco.
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Maybe you could argue Mbappe or Modric but their countries will have to win the World Cup
Yeah Bruno up there as well up until Portugal were beat.
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 13, 2022, 05:31:36 PM
Messi scored 4 and assisted 1 in 2014.. Di Maria only scored one and was injured last 2 games.
POTT for me this World Cup has been Messi, the Croatia goalkeeper or Arambat for Morocco.
Assists are a meaningless stat when judging performance
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Messi scored 4 and assisted 1 in 2014.. Di Maria only scored one and was injured last 2 games.
POTT for me this World Cup has been Messi, the Croatia goalkeeper or Arambat for Morocco.
Assists are a meaningless stat when judging performance
They really, really aren't. The PL all time assists chart is a who's who of football creativity. This is not a coincidence.
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Messi scored 4 and assisted 1 in 2014.. Di Maria only scored one and was injured last 2 games.
POTT for me this World Cup has been Messi, the Croatia goalkeeper or Arambat for Morocco.
Assists are a meaningless stat when judging performance
Lol
Read a stat the other day that Ronaldo (the second one not the original one) has never scored a goal in the knockout stages of a World Cup. Funny how people can claim Messi flops at World Cups but never say the same about Ronaldo ( the second one not the original one)
Quote from: Turf on December 13, 2022, 06:21:05 PM
Read a stat the other day that Ronaldo (the second one not the original one) has never scored a goal in the knockout stages of a World Cup. Funny how people can claim Messi flops at World Cups but never say the same about Ronaldo ( the second one not the original one)
Didn't Messi score his first goal in the knock out stages in this World cup?
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Messi scored 4 and assisted 1 in 2014.. Di Maria only scored one and was injured last 2 games.
POTT for me this World Cup has been Messi, the Croatia goalkeeper or Arambat for Morocco.
Assists are a meaningless stat when judging performance
Like Keano says, no one cares about the silver medals in the olympics all about the golds
13 minutes hasn't touched leather, must just be waiting on that one ball
The other ref would have awarded a penalty there
Holding his thigh, he'll be off soon
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2022, 07:18:55 PM
Holding his thigh, he'll be off soon
He'll walk/jog through 95% of the game but produce a moment or 2 of magic.
I know they're both there on merit but Jesus these are 2 average teams for a WC semi
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 13, 2022, 07:18:55 PM
Holding his thigh, he'll be off soon
Ohh here we go MR2.. Pen
Jesus how many penalties is that now.
It was some pass to be fair and I would also think it a penalty, and it was ls a hell of a penalty.
I'm just not sure it would have quickly been given against Messi's team
Some penalty
Thunder bastard of a penalty that
The defending by Croatia wasn't great in the build up to that penalty.
The keeper made a complete horlicks
That was some pass by Liverpools Enzo Fernandez
The price boost I took was messi .5 shots on target and Argentina to qualify... 6/4 job done
Game over.. Croatia look leggy
Some goal that. Got the rub of the green
I'm baffled by Croatia here. They've got nothing up front, and their most likely path to goal is via the magnificently accurate corner taker, Perisic. And they roll out overly complicated short corner kicks.
Argentina are purring
Nearly 3-0 there.. great save
Croatia caught out badly on the counter and had a few chances to clear it. Breaks going Argentinas way, they'll hardly let another two goal lead slip?
Maradona would have loved this
Quote from: thewobbler on December 13, 2022, 07:41:33 PM
I'm baffled by Croatia here. They've got nothing up front, and their most likely path to goal is via the magnificently accurate corner taker, Perisic. And they roll out overly complicated short corner kicks.
Was thinking the same. They have hammered a few crosses in to the first man after a short corner.
Quote from: seafoid on December 13, 2022, 07:49:26 PM
Maradona would have loved this
Aye, he'd have been proper coked out at this stage, he'd have ruined those super seats
Now it's not a penalty!! It's a foul all day long, makes no contact with the ball
The real Ronaldo always turned up
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 13, 2022, 08:04:56 PM
The real Ronaldo always turned up
Except during that mad final when they were all holding hands
It must feel like an early Orthodox Christmas present across Serbia and Republika Srpska.
Argentina now look tired and full of mistakes
Quote from: thewobbler on December 13, 2022, 08:12:55 PM
Argentina now look tired and full of mistakes
They'll maybe need another goal to close it out
Croatia need to bring on a few boys with height and start lumping it in
Now that's class
Brilliant from the World Cup Flop Messi.
Assists are a meaningless one chap said? ;D
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Messi scored 4 and assisted 1 in 2014.. Di Maria only scored one and was injured last 2 games.
POTT for me this World Cup has been Messi, the Croatia goalkeeper or Arambat for Morocco.
Assists are a meaningless stat when judging performance
Currently one of the daftest posts in a gaaboard that is adorned with them
Quote from: Turf on December 13, 2022, 08:30:01 PM
Brilliant from the World Cup Flop Messi.
Yeh such a useless flop
Croatia looked bate at 2-0.
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Messi scored 4 and assisted 1 in 2014.. Di Maria only scored one and was injured last 2 games.
POTT for me this World Cup has been Messi, the Croatia goalkeeper or Arambat for Morocco.
Assists are a meaningless stat when judging performance
Currently one of the daftest posts in a gaaboard that is adorned with them
Didn't need to reply too him just let Messi do the talking
Would you not take him off at this stage?
That second calamitous goal killed them.
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Messi scored 4 and assisted 1 in 2014.. Di Maria only scored one and was injured last 2 games.
POTT for me this World Cup has been Messi, the Croatia goalkeeper or Arambat for Morocco.
Assists are a meaningless stat when judging performance
Currently one of the daftest posts in a gaaboard that is adorned with them
Doesn't beat "it's England's to lose" after they had beaten the might of Iran.
On Argentinas performance tonight they'd have won that without messi, France or Morocco won't fancy themselves in final
Modric one of the best players at this WC
Assists - 0
:o
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Messi scored 4 and assisted 1 in 2014.. Di Maria only scored one and was injured last 2 games.
POTT for me this World Cup has been Messi, the Croatia goalkeeper or Arambat for Morocco.
Assists are a meaningless stat when judging performance
Currently one of the daftest posts in a gaaboard that is adorned with them
Doesn't beat "it's England's to lose" after they had beaten the might of Iran.
Says the chap that thought Spain looked good.
You left out where it was possible to lose when managed by Southgate. Even well managed teams can lose competitions that are theirs to lose, Liverpool in the Premier league last season a prime example.
The undisputed GOAT does it again.
It's funny now reading back on the knee jerk reactions after Argentina lost their first game.
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It's funny now reading back on the knee jerk reactions after Argentina lost their first game.
The EPL junkies lost the run of themselves
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 13, 2022, 08:35:27 PM
That second calamitous goal killed them.
It did. A matter of the margin of victory for Argentina after that goal. Argentina to beat France in the final was my tip on the World Cup Competition, with Messi in this form they'll certainly be hard stopped now by either France or Morocco.
Messi the GOAT..
If it's France they play I hope Argentina win but if it's Morocco then you'd have to be wanting Morocco to win.
Argentina are a great team in this tournament. They keep on improving. The third goal was magnificent.
Croatia were pretty dross to be fair, had they been playing to now I doubt they would have scored. Pretty easy on the eye with some of the short passing but zero threat.
I'd say France wouldn't be too worried even at this stage. They just have that tournament mentality as well.
Quote from: NAG1 on December 14, 2022, 08:19:15 AM
Croatia were pretty dross to be fair, had they been playing to now I doubt they would have scored. Pretty easy on the eye with some of the short passing but zero threat.
I'd say France wouldn't be too worried even at this stage. They just have that tournament mentality as well.
France were pretty shit against England and there is a rumour they've some sort of bug in the camp too. Morocco will be seriously motivated with a massive crowd behind them. France wouldn't want to be taking their eye of the game tonight.
I think the winner will come from the other semi final tonight and I am not sure it will be France either...(though probably will be)
Argentina were decent but Croatia were terrible. When would you ever see a goal like that second one at that level of football? Also Argentina have created some great things out of nothing in this tournament (generally through Messi) but the first one was horrendous defending giving them that much space. The 3rd was obviously sublime. Those things won't happen in a final I would expect. They are a good team no doubt but Croatia were awful.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 14, 2022, 08:44:27 AM
I think the winner will come from the other semi final tonight and I am not sure it will be France either...(though probably will be)
Argentina were decent but Croatia were terrible. When would you ever see a goal like that second one at that level of football? Also Argentina have created some great things out of nothing in this tournament (generally through Messi) but the first one was horrendous defending giving them that much space. The 3rd was obviously sublime. Those things won't happen in a final I would expect. They are a good team no doubt but Croatia were awful.
The template has to be foul him well outside the box, allowing him to get into your penalty area is crazy, that big defender will have nightmares just for that goal alone
Croatia have been pretty awful all the way through. Only scored within the 90 minutes in 2 out of the 6 matches. Having absolutely nothing up front means that they can do all the passing they want, teams know they won't do much with it.
Hoping for a France-Argentia final and after that I don't mind who wins.
Really disappointed Brazil didn't take care of Croatia as would have been a great semi to watch. I had a feeling Croatia where going to set up a poor side as they where extremely lucky to get to that point.
Morroco prob put on a better show tonight.
If Morocco won the World Cup it would be one of the greatest shocks in modern sport, certainly up there with Leicester winning the League especially given the calibre of teams they have faced. I think they have an outside chance again tonight but I suspect they may run out of road as their opponents begin to figure them out. They are heavily reliant on not conceding a goal so it will be interesting to see how they react should they go a goal down. They will have massive support inside the stadium though and it will be like another home fixture for them.
Quote from: WT4E on December 14, 2022, 12:52:05 PM
Really disappointed Brazil didn't take care of Croatia as would have been a great semi to watch. I had a feeling Croatia where going to set up a poor side as they where extremely lucky to get to that point.
Morroco prob put on a better show tonight.
Agreed. When yer pretty much a neutral ye just want a clash that has the potential to be an epic. Bra Arg in the semi couldve been one likewise a Spain Portugal quarter with winner to meet France. Damm you underdogs...
Yeah and now that england are out all we want to see is good football ;D
Quote from: WT4E on December 14, 2022, 12:52:05 PM
Really disappointed Brazil didn't take care of Croatia as would have been a great semi to watch. I had a feeling Croatia where going to set up a poor side as they where extremely lucky to get to that point.
Morroco prob put on a better show tonight.
Copa America final last year between Argentina and Brazil was far from memorable game. Croatia coming through extra time and penalties in their last two matches didn't help their cause last night.
Morocco have got this far mainly because of their good defence. Just one goal conceded and it was OG, that defence should get its biggest test tonight.
Is there 3 of the first 4 defenders missing now for them?? Be tight going if so
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 14, 2022, 02:44:03 PM
Is there 3 of the first 4 defenders missing now for them?? Be tight going if so
Mazaroui the fella from Bayern, playing LB is back for the game their 2 CBs however don't think they'll be fit for the game
Quote from: yellowcard on December 14, 2022, 01:13:46 PM
If Morocco won the World Cup it would be one of the greatest shocks in modern sport, certainly up there with Leicester winning the League especially given the calibre of teams they have faced. I think they have an outside chance again tonight but I suspect they may run out of road as their opponents begin to figure them out. They are heavily reliant on not conceding a goal so it will be interesting to see how they react should they go a goal down. They will have massive support inside the stadium though and it will be like another home fixture for them.
Denmark winning the Euro's in '92 has to be up there only qualifying because Yugoslavia (the former) were disqualified. Granted there were only 8 teams in the tournament back then.
And Greece 2004 euros
Apart from maybe Uruguay in the 30s there has never been a surprise winner of the World Cup.
Quote from: seafoid on December 14, 2022, 02:57:03 PM
Apart from maybe Uruguay in the 30s there has never been a surprise winner of the World Cup.
England 66
brazil Argentina would most likely have been a kicking session. Not convinced it would have been a good game either.
West Germany 1954.
QuoteMiracle of Bern, or, Das Wunder von Bern if you prefer.
The miracle of course was West Germany's comeback from being two goals down to Hungary after just eight minutes.
Hungary fielded the legendary Ferenc Puskas—who opened the scoring—and could be confident of the fact that they had already beaten the German's 8-3 earlier on in the competition.
With six minutes to go in the second half, Helmut Rahn pounced to give Germany a 3-2 victory and break Hungary's 31 match unbeaten run.
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Apart from maybe Uruguay in the 30s there has never been a surprise winner of the World Cup.
England 66
What is more surprising is that they only won one, the hoors
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 14, 2022, 03:11:19 PM
brazil Argentina would most likely have been a kicking session. Not convinced it would have been a good game either.
You say that first line like its a bad thing Tommy 😉😃
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Apart from maybe Uruguay in the 30s there has never been a surprise winner of the World Cup.
England 66
What is more surprising is that they only won one, the hoors
They've never been to a major final that wasn't held at home. They do tend to overestimate their standing in world terms and though they almost always qualify they rarely come close to winning. The closest they came was probably Italia 90 when losing a penalty shoot out to Germany but even Ireland could compete on a level footing with that team. They've been very lucky with the tournament draws under Southgate yet have failed to capitalise.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on December 14, 2022, 03:11:19 PM
brazil Argentina would most likely have been a kicking session. Not convinced it would have been a good game either.
You say that first line like its a bad thing Tommy 😉😃
Imagine uruguay argentina. That would have been a next level booting match lol.
The stuff of dreams Tommy 😃
Quote from: seafoid on December 14, 2022, 02:57:03 PM
Apart from maybe Uruguay in the 30s there has never been a surprise winner of the World Cup.
What about Ireland ?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ls5bzISPGs
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ls5bzISPGs)
If Morocco win a world cup its be the biggest upset in soccer. Can't see it though.
I can see penalties as a possibility in this.
Apparently, the words of the Moroccan national anthem were first written for the 1970 World Cup, although the tune was already there written by a Frenchman.
Hard to beat the Marseillaise though.
Ideal start for France, plan b for Morocco now.
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 14, 2022, 06:58:44 PM
I can see penalties as a possibility in this.
Not now unfortunately, it'll be 3 or 4 by the end
The graphic for the French flag on bbc looks like the Irish flag, or I need to check my tv!!
Aye the tricolore looks like a tricolour.
Morocco still well in this. Madness them starting the obviously injured player. He's the captain I suppose.
The foul the Moroccon player got booked for could as easily been a penalty in his favour I thought.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on December 14, 2022, 07:55:51 PM
Aye the tricolore looks like a tricolour.
Morocco still well in this. Madness them starting the obviously injured player. He's the captain I suppose.
I think the tricolour was based on the French flag with the colours of 1798 . Was it premiered in the 1840s?
England would have beaten this mob by at least a couple of goals as well.
Morocco in the semi is a magnificent achievement, like Tipp in the all Ireland semi.
African soccer will never be the same again.
They played well, just no cutting edge up front.
Harsh scoreline on Morocco more than held their own against the hot favourites France in that match.
France solid. Hard to beat experience and guile.
Great effort and great tournament for Morocco.
Enjoyable game, France rode their luck, Morocco did rightly but France solid. Would expect France to beat Argentina but my predictions are shite, will be a real battle on Sunday.
Karim Benzema back for the final?
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 14, 2022, 09:02:52 PM
Karim Benzema back for the final?
They can draft him in if they want - would be a big call.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on December 14, 2022, 09:02:52 PM
Karim Benzema back for the final?
They can draft him in if they want - would be a big call.
Is he going to do a Stevie o'neill?
How can they call him in though? WAS HE part of the official squad?
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Karim Benzema back for the final?
They can draft him in if they want - would be a big call.
Benzema isn't in the French squad
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Karim Benzema back for the final?
They can draft him in if they want - would be a big call.
Is he going to do a Stevie o'neill?
How can they call him in though? WAS HE part of the official squad?
Was part of the 26 (23)? and they never replaced him in hope he'd be fit i think. Can't see him playing
Quote from: laoislad on December 14, 2022, 07:57:27 PM
The foul the Moroccon player got booked for could as easily been a penalty in his favour I thought.
I didn't understand that decision at all. Thought it was a nailed-on penalty myself. Might have swung the game too.
It was nearly a leg breaker for both lads either way.
Defender plays ball first attacker trips over defender... no one complained on the pitch, Big Rio was the only one that said it. Easiest decision and best refereeing performance all tournament
Can't find it on youtube, and would have to see it again to be sure. But you can get the ball first, and follow through and it still be a foul. That's how it looked to me when watching live.
No idea what my Spanish language commentator had to say about it.
Fernando Santos steps down as Portugal manager. Jose Mourinho strongly tipped to replace him.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 15, 2022, 12:06:24 AM
Can't find it on youtube, and would have to see it again to be sure. But you can get the ball first, and follow through and it still be a foul. That's how it looked to me when watching live.
No idea what my Spanish language commentator had to say about it.
Yes, definitely a decision that could have went either way. The Ref was very quick to give the Morocco player a yellow so maybe VAR weren't gonna over turn it because of that even if it was a peno.
A few seasons ago Liverpool had a peno given against them for something very similar when Fabinho won the ball first but followed through in the tackle, think it was against Sheffield United.
Could very easily have happened the other night also and like you said would have changed the whole game.
BREAKING: New men's World Cup will start in 3 years, FIFA announces!
Gianni Infantino: "The new men's Club World Cup will take place in 2025 and will feature 32 teams". 🚨🏆
"32-team tournament will go ahead, making it like a World Cup", Infantino added.
Any idea why it's in 2025? I thought Canada, USA and Mexico were confirmed for 2026?
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 16, 2022, 11:00:05 AM
BREAKING: New men's World Cup will start in 3 years, FIFA announces!
Gianni Infantino: "The new men's Club World Cup will take place in 2025 and will feature 32 teams". 🚨🏆
"32-team tournament will go ahead, making it like a World Cup", Infantino added.
Any idea why it's in 2025? I thought Canada, USA and Mexico were confirmed for 2026?
Club World Cup.
Quote from: laoislad on December 16, 2022, 11:16:55 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 16, 2022, 11:00:05 AM
BREAKING: New men's World Cup will start in 3 years, FIFA announces!
Gianni Infantino: "The new men's Club World Cup will take place in 2025 and will feature 32 teams". 🚨🏆
"32-team tournament will go ahead, making it like a World Cup", Infantino added.
Any idea why it's in 2025? I thought Canada, USA and Mexico were confirmed for 2026?
Club World Cup.
🤦♂️
Quote from: Saffrongael on December 16, 2022, 11:18:51 AM
Quote from: laoislad on December 16, 2022, 11:16:55 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 16, 2022, 11:00:05 AM
BREAKING: New men's World Cup will start in 3 years, FIFA announces!
Gianni Infantino: "The new men's Club World Cup will take place in 2025 and will feature 32 teams". 🚨🏆
"32-team tournament will go ahead, making it like a World Cup", Infantino added.
Any idea why it's in 2025? I thought Canada, USA and Mexico were confirmed for 2026?
Club World Cup.
🤦♂️
oops
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2022/1215/1342015-argentina-ireland-mac-allister-messi-world-cup-final-2022/
That was a well worked free kick.
Quote from: weareros on December 17, 2022, 03:07:57 PM
That was a well worked free kick.
Not as clever but Morocco one yields a goal too!
Both the also ran teams using their heads.
2nd and two 3rd place finishes in the World Cup is good going by Croatia in fairness to them.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 17, 2022, 05:03:07 PM
2nd and two 3rd place finishes in the World Cup is good going by Croatia in fairness to them.
And 3rd in 1998 also. They have pedigree now. They had a once in a generation in Modric. Mad to think Modric was 27 when Spurs sold him and how much he has done since.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 17, 2022, 05:03:07 PM
2nd and two 3rd place finishes in the World Cup is good going by Croatia in fairness to them.
they took over the mantle of Yugoslavia and the Red Star Belgrade team of 91. Serbia didn't.
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 10:13:13 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 17, 2022, 05:03:07 PM
2nd and two 3rd place finishes in the World Cup is good going by Croatia in fairness to them.
they took over the mantle of Yugoslavia and the Red Star Belgrade team of 91. Serbia didn't.
What does this actually mean?
In what way did Croatia "take over the mantle" of Yugoslavia or even more so RSB?
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 17, 2022, 05:13:33 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 17, 2022, 05:03:07 PM
2nd and two 3rd place finishes in the World Cup is good going by Croatia in fairness to them.
And 3rd in 1998 also. They have pedigree now. They had a once in a generation in Modric. Mad to think Modric was 27 when Spurs sold him and how much he has done since.
been top 3 in half of the world cups they've been at i read
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 17, 2022, 05:03:07 PM
2nd and two 3rd place finishes in the World Cup is good going by Croatia in fairness to them.
they took over the mantle of Yugoslavia and the Red Star Belgrade team of 91. Serbia didn't.
What does this actually mean?
In what way did Croatia "take over the mantle" of Yugoslavia or even more so RSB?
Yugoslavia was a mix of Croatian and Serb players. So was RSB. Croatia kicked on. Serbia did not, for whatever reason.
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 11:23:41 AM
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 17, 2022, 05:03:07 PM
2nd and two 3rd place finishes in the World Cup is good going by Croatia in fairness to them.
they took over the mantle of Yugoslavia and the Red Star Belgrade team of 91. Serbia didn't.
What does this actually mean?
In what way did Croatia "take over the mantle" of Yugoslavia or even more so RSB?
Yugoslavia was a mix of Croatian and Serb players. So was RSB. Croatia kicked on. Serbia did not, for whatever reason.
Yugoslavia was made up of more than just Croat and Serb players
They were a fancy for the 92 Euros as they had won the Youth World Cup in 87 and Red Star Belgrade had won the European Cup in 1991.
They would have been at their peak in 1994,they would have some team
Zvonimir Boban, Davor Šuker, Robert Jarni, Predrag Mijatovic, Dragan Stojković, Dejan Savićević, Darko Pančev, Robert Prosinečki, Refik Šabanadžović, Alen Bokšić, Siniša Mihajlović and Vladimir Jugović.
Since their suspension was lifted the Serbs have been at 5 of the past 7 world cups
Not bad for a country of 6.8m that hasn't kicked on
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 17, 2022, 05:03:07 PM
2nd and two 3rd place finishes in the World Cup is good going by Croatia in fairness to them.
they took over the mantle of Yugoslavia and the Red Star Belgrade team of 91. Serbia didn't.
What does this actually mean?
In what way did Croatia "take over the mantle" of Yugoslavia or even more so RSB?
Yugoslavia was a mix of Croatian and Serb players. So was RSB. Croatia kicked on. Serbia did not, for whatever reason.
Not really. Prosinecki was half Serbian and born outside Yugoslavia. Him aside there were never many Croats playing in Belgrade.
As has been pointed there were a lot more that Croats and Serbians in the 92 Yugoslav team. Few enough Croats in or around the squad in 92.
My heart says Argentina but my head says France. 2-1 to the French.
Brady got a bit thick with Joanne there. Excitement building up.
Quote from: weareros on December 18, 2022, 02:25:51 PM
Brady got a bit thick with Joanne there. Excitement building up.
Why what was said ?
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 18, 2022, 02:15:27 PM
My heart says Argentina but my head says France. 2-1 to the French.
I predicted France to beat Agrentina from the start , but there's rumours of sickness in French camp . The closer it gets the more I think Argentina to win 3-2
France have lost once. Argentina have lost 3 times.
Argentina are slight favourites
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/world-cup
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 18, 2022, 02:37:16 PM
Quote from: weareros on December 18, 2022, 02:25:51 PM
Brady got a bit thick with Joanne there. Excitement building up.
Why what was said ?
Just arguing over corruption in FIFA. He said the vote to give next one to US/Mexico/Can was not corrupt. She pressed him how he knew it was not corrupt. He got all grumpy, insisting he knew.
Fixed. How many penalties is that
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 18, 2022, 03:22:40 PM
Fixed. How many penalties is that
Yeah FIFA fixed it for Dembele to be skinned and then be clumsy.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on December 18, 2022, 03:22:40 PM
Fixed. How many penalties is that
Yeah FIFA fixed it for Dembele to be skinned and then be clumsy.
Was a dive. France have been shite though.
It was naive defending. Those are given all day long for any team.
That was no free to Messi there, straight in front of the ref, he blind?
Didn't seem to be much contact and Di Maria was going to ground regardless. Argentina have been the better team in the opening 25 minutes.
French look very out of sorts. You'd wonder if the flu is impacting several of them. Cut up pitch won't suit their style of play either.
Agreed. Lovely hurling from Argentina so far.
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 03:33:05 PM
Agreed. Lovely hurling from Argentina so far.
Yeah been brilliant. France haven't started
How many of these french lads had flu, whatever, they look as if they can't move.
2 nil. One touch all the way
That's as good a goal as you'll ever see in a WC final. Messi running the show.
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 03:36:43 PM
2 nil
Decision to start to Ángel Di María is proving to be a very smart one.
Taking Giroud off is like a GAA manager taking off a corner forward when getting destroyed in midfield and backs.
They a mile of the pace,
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Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 03:36:43 PM
2 nil
Decision to start to Ángel Di María is proving to be a very smart one.
Argentina have the better tactics so far
Argentina have been outstanding here, they've been first to every ball.
It will be very hard to come back from 2 down
Not sure if it's due to the illness in the French camp but they had no spark or energy to them in that 1st half.
Saw a good angle on the penalty there. Tbh it was poor defending and definitely the right decision.
It was clearly a penalty.
FIFA want Messi to win. But ffs a man was fouled in the box.
The french secret police that poisoned fat Ronaldo must have Argentina backed this time.
It's very hard to do back to back World Cups. France were always likely to meet their match, especially given their missing players.
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 04:15:03 PM
It's very hard to do back to back World Cups. France were always likely to meet their match, especially given their missing players.
They were second best team in last two games.
That looked a penalty live
France soo poor its unreal
France get a penalty
Thank god for that, might liven up now
Wow
Unreal.
2-2 out of nothing something else.
unbelievable Jeff. Messi losing the ball! A good player like Mbappé only needs one chance.
What a goal. France are awake, won't lose it now i reckon
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 18, 2022, 04:46:37 PM
unbelievable Jeff. Messi losing the ball! A good player like Mbappé only needs one chance.
Still England's to lose I reckon.
Turn over to the hurling 10mins and am bck at 2:2, WTF?
Can only see one winner now
Great call there by ref
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 18, 2022, 04:49:16 PM
Can only see one winner now
Well only one team can win, they can't share the trophy.
Argentina have completely sh*t it again.
Quote from: Turf on December 18, 2022, 04:48:16 PM
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unbelievable Jeff. Messi losing the ball! A good player like Mbappé only needs one chance.
Still England's to lose I reckon.
And lost it in a similar way that Liverpool lost the Premier league title last season. You need to move on from both.
Quote from: clarshack on December 18, 2022, 04:51:25 PM
Argentina have completely sh*t it again.
That's a very harsh assessment
Quote from: Turf on December 18, 2022, 04:51:05 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 18, 2022, 04:49:16 PM
Can only see one winner now
Well only one team can win, they can't share the trophy.
What? When was that rule brought in? :o
Quote from: thewobbler on December 18, 2022, 04:52:34 PM
Quote from: clarshack on December 18, 2022, 04:51:25 PM
Argentina have completely sh*t it again.
That's a very harsh assessment
It is harsh alright, a game can change in flash. Argentina looked so comfortable at 2-0 and looked more likely to score a 3rd goal than to concede any. Hanging on for extra time now.
Quote from: clarshack on December 18, 2022, 04:51:25 PM
Argentina have completely sh*t it again.
It's finely poised
Theres twice the ref has stopped france breaking. Awful decision
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Quote from: clarshack on December 18, 2022, 04:51:25 PM
Argentina have completely sh*t it again.
That's a very harsh assessment
It is harsh alright, a game can change in flash. Argentina looked so comfortable at 2-0 and looked more likely to score a 3rd goal than to concede any. Hanging on for extra time now.
How is it harsh? If Argentina end up losing this it will be the biggest bottle job in a major final since AC Milan in 2005.
Quote from: clarshack on December 18, 2022, 04:51:25 PM
Argentina have completely sh*t it again.
Don't be a fool.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 18, 2022, 04:49:03 PM
Turn over to the hurling 10mins and am bck at 2:2, WTF?
Same, turned over in the 75th minute
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Quote from: clarshack on December 18, 2022, 04:51:25 PM
Argentina have completely sh*t it again.
That's a very harsh assessment
It is harsh alright, a game can change in flash. Argentina looked so comfortable at 2-0 and looked more likely to score a 3rd goal than to concede any. Hanging on for extra time now.
It's exceptionally harsh because France are technically and athletically a better side than Argentina, but the Argies nearly saw it out through sheer determination; and they might still yet. I'd definitely be backing them should it come to penalties
Messi immune from yellow cards. Hope Argentina get beat, the most shithousing team at this world cup. Yer man De Paul plays for Atletico under Simeone a large part in it.
Messi scores .
Commentary on RTÉ had themselves convinced that was offside when it wasn't. Messi goal to win the World Cup?
The psychology of this game is fascinating
Quote from: CK_Redhand on December 18, 2022, 05:12:10 PM
Messi immune from yellow cards. Hope Argentina get beat, the most shithousing team at this world cup. Yer man De Paul plays for Atletico under Simeone a large part in it.
Says the guy from Tyrone ;D
Fair play to Messi for stepping up. Argentina actually needed extra time more than France in order to regroup as they were all over the place in the last 10 minutes plus injury of normal time.
Edit: They blew it again and now it's penalties to decide it.
McAllister's family is Irish. He has a brother called Kevin. There is a hurling club in Buenos Aires by the way as there is a sizeable Irish community there.
So would he be potentially 10 minutes away from being the first Irish person to win the World Cup ?
Drama filled final 3-3!
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 05:35:39 PM
McAllister's family is Irish. He has a brother called Kevin. There is a hurling club in Buenos Aires by the way as there is a sizeable Irish community there.
So would he be potentially 10 minutes away from being the first Irish person to win the World Cup ?
Cushendall apparently
Has everything this, super watch
One of the craziest most brilliant games I've ever watched.
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Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 05:35:39 PM
McAllister's family is Irish. He has a brother called Kevin. There is a hurling club in Buenos Aires by the way as there is a sizeable Irish community there.
So would he be potentially 10 minutes away from being the first Irish person to win the World Cup ?
Cushendall apparently
Donabate too and some Scottish.
A pity we can't have another period of extra time instead of penalties.
Just a breathtaking game. Even for those of us sitting in front of a turf fire.
Quote from: laoislad on December 18, 2022, 05:44:50 PM
One of the craziest most brilliant games I've ever watched.
100%. What's the bets it is 10 all on pens next ;D
Quote from: laoislad on December 18, 2022, 05:44:50 PM
One of the craziest most brilliant games I've ever watched.
Absolutely riveting game.
Best extra time I've ever seen. Teams usually just close up shop in extra time. This was enthralling.
Cheese eating surrender monkeys
Goalkeeping mind games works on penalty shootouts.
Argentina win it. Even some of those scored penalties wasn't well taken.
You knew the, way a couple of them French lads walked up, they weren't going to score.
About time for a South American win.
So Argentina actually have cajones after all 😂
Best team probably won the world cup.
Riviting stuff, couldn't take your eyes of it for a minute.
Was a great final overall.
Ballygunner lost too. A bad day for incumbents
Those Argentinian players are hoors for the penalties.
First 80 was poor enough but last 10 plus extra time was unbelievable. Extra time is usually boring but both teams could have scored 5 each.
Fair play to Argentina. Happy to see them win.
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Quote from: laoislad on December 18, 2022, 05:44:50 PM
One of the craziest most brilliant games I've ever watched.
Absolutely riveting game.
Best extra time I've ever seen. Teams usually just close up shop in extra time. This was enthralling.
Really high level technique and the 2 best teams. Penalties are a lottery.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 18, 2022, 05:56:28 PM
Best team probably won the world cup.
Best team certainly won that final although they had to win it three times.
Will be a very happy Christmas in the likes of Buenos Aires, Córdoba, Rosario, Mendoza
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 06:02:01 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 18, 2022, 05:46:16 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 18, 2022, 05:44:50 PM
One of the craziest most brilliant games I've ever watched.
Absolutely riveting game.
Best extra time I've ever seen. Teams usually just close up shop in extra time. This was enthralling.
Really high level technique and the 2 best teams. Penalties are a lottery.
They're not. Team with better goalkeeper won. Some nations have great records in shootouts and some awful. Not a coincidence.
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 05:35:39 PM
McAllister's family is Irish. He has a brother called Kevin. There is a hurling club in Buenos Aires by the way as there is a sizeable Irish community there.
So would he be potentially 10 minutes away from being the first Irish person to win the World Cup ?
Is this him?
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/the-nut-job-great-adventures/images/a/ab/Kevin.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20190311020345)
What's with all the tatoos among the Argentina players and fans, Ridiculous amount
Quote from: laoislad on December 18, 2022, 05:44:50 PM
One of the craziest most brilliant games I've ever watched.
What a battle! Great viewing
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 18, 2022, 06:04:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 06:02:01 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 18, 2022, 05:46:16 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 18, 2022, 05:44:50 PM
One of the craziest most brilliant games I've ever watched.
Absolutely riveting game.
Best extra time I've ever seen. Teams usually just close up shop in extra time. This was enthralling.
Really high level technique and the 2 best teams. Penalties are a lottery.
They're not. Team with better goalkeeper won. Some nations have great records in shootouts and some awful. Not a coincidence.
said the same, Emi Martinez is great in shoot outs, Lloris was terrible, never looked like saving any of them.
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2022/1215/1342015-argentina-ireland-mac-allister-messi-world-cup-final-2022/
Good World cup comes to a conclusion with a very memorable final and some thought it wouldn't work out in December?
All the talk now and many years in the future will be about Messi finally winning the World Cup and having a huge influence in winning it however one can't ignore the role Martinez played in writing history. What a save at the end of extra time and once again did what he does best in shootouts.
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 18, 2022, 06:12:03 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 18, 2022, 06:04:37 PM
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Quote from: thewobbler on December 18, 2022, 05:46:16 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 18, 2022, 05:44:50 PM
One of the craziest most brilliant games I've ever watched.
Absolutely riveting game.
Best extra time I've ever seen. Teams usually just close up shop in extra time. This was enthralling.
Really high level technique and the 2 best teams. Penalties are a lottery.
They're not. Team with better goalkeeper won. Some nations have great records in shootouts and some awful. Not a coincidence.
said the same, Emi Martinez is great in shoot outs, Lloris was terrible, never looked like saving any of them.
Yeah Lloris was a bit like DeGea would be there all night and not save 1. Some terrible penalties from both teams. That Martinez though is cnut shame he was on the winning side
Liverpool's Enzo Fernandez gets the Young player of the tournament
What is Macron doing on the pitch after the game and now on the podium. Went over earlier on to console Mbappe, and Mbappe wanted nothing to do with him.
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 18, 2022, 06:28:06 PM
What is Macron doing on the pitch after the game and now on the podium. Went over earlier on to console Mbappe, and Mbappe wanted nothing to do with him.
As most politicians do, trying to grab some limelight.
Quote from: laoislad on December 18, 2022, 06:27:30 PM
Liverpool's Enzo Fernandez gets the Young player of the tournament
Just pipped Liverpools Jude Bellingham to the award.
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Quote from: laoislad on December 18, 2022, 06:27:30 PM
Liverpool's Enzo Fernandez gets the Young player of the tournament
Just pipped Liverpools Jude Bellingham to the award.
🤞
Lionel Messi is to Argentina what Peter Canavan was to Tyrone.
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 18, 2022, 06:28:06 PM
What is Macron doing on the pitch after the game and now on the podium. Went over earlier on to console Mbappe, and Mbappe wanted nothing to do with him.
No call for him to be out on the pitch. I'd say he's as popular in France as Varadkar is in Ireland.
I think Messi went to Barcelona when he was 13. He has been away from Argentina a long time. This will bring him a lot of kudos back home.
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 05:35:39 PM
McAllister's family is Irish. He has a brother called Kevin. There is a hurling club in Buenos Aires by the way as there is a sizeable Irish community there.
So would he be potentially 10 minutes away from being the first Irish person to win the World Cup ?
he as another brother called Francis, and have you seen the pic of his da lol?
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 18, 2022, 06:28:06 PM
What is Macron doing on the pitch after the game and now on the podium. Went over earlier on to console Mbappe, and Mbappe wanted nothing to do with him.
He'd remind you on varadkar, mad for photo opportunities
What was that robe about?
Who are the people in the medals line apart from Infantino and Macron ?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 18, 2022, 06:43:48 PM
What was that rope about?
Jez, they made a real meal out of that.........
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 18, 2022, 06:43:48 PM
What was that rope about?
Looked completely weird lifting the World Cup wearing that thing.
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 18, 2022, 06:45:18 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 18, 2022, 06:43:48 PM
What was that rope about?
Jez, they made a real meal out of that.........
Messi looked like he was wearing an old woman's frock
Dress Messi in a dressing gown for such a historical photo at the end
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 06:44:26 PM
Who are the people in the medals line apart from Infantino and Macron ?
Head of Argentinian FA.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on December 18, 2022, 06:24:40 PM
I see the camera caught someone among the Argentine wans wearing a Dubs GAA second/reserve jersey (the one with the sky blue & white vertical stripes) trying to blend in. ;D
Maybe he's one of the Mac Allister cousins from Donabate!
That's the iconic photo ruined forever
Presume president of both countries, see the head of Uefa there, presume the copa America counterpart
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 18, 2022, 06:47:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 06:44:26 PM
Who are the people in the medals line apart from Infantino and Macron ?
Head of Argentinian FA.
There were 2 of them. Maybe one was a minister or the Prime Minister./President
Mbappe is a class act both on and off the pitch.
A great game in the end with an Mbappe hat trick and Messi picking up the trophy.
Three and a half years until the next tournament. I hope Ireland are there.
That was a real blockbuster. Great entertainment. That save on 120 by Martinez was something else.
MacAllister wasn't too shabby and did better than Rice and Grealish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiB8SculZzM
Quote from: ONeill on December 18, 2022, 07:22:19 PM
That was a real blockbuster. Great entertainment. That save on 120 by Martinez was something else.
That was like Dudek's double save in instanbul. Once he saved that I thought , Their name is on the trophy
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 18, 2022, 07:36:27 PM
That was like Dudek's double save in instanbul. Once he saved that I thought , Their name is on the trophy
Had the exact same thought. Was some save.
Quote from: clarshack on December 18, 2022, 04:51:25 PM
Argentina have completely sh*t it again.
Clarshack blew his load too early, again
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 05:32:12 PM
The psychology of this game is fascinating
Whereas psychology is normally absent from major sporting occasions?
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 05:35:39 PM
McAllister's family is Irish. He has a brother called Kevin. There is a hurling club in Buenos Aires by the way as there is a sizeable Irish community there.
So would he be potentially 10 minutes away from being the first Irish person to win the World Cup ?
No.
He is as Irish as anyone with an ancestor from Ireland in the last 350 years.
Nobby Stiles was first generation Irish. Indeed his son declared for Ireland.
Quote from: weareros on December 18, 2022, 08:21:43 PM
Nobby Stiles was first generation Irish. Indeed his son declared for Ireland.
Don't say that. He will start getting the abuse those lads Rice and Grealish get for playing for the country they were born in, raised in and played all their football in.
Quote from: weareros on December 18, 2022, 08:21:43 PM
Nobby Stiles was first generation Irish. Indeed his son declared for Ireland.
GRMA . What was his mother's maiden name?
Didn't he marry Johnny Giles' sister ?
De Paul was amazing and seems a really good fella, especially with all the charity work he does
Quote from: HiMucker on December 18, 2022, 08:56:59 PM
De Paul was amazing and seems a really good fella, especially with all the charity work he does
Seemed like a nasty little diver on the field. McAllister was immense today I thought.
After years of seeing Real Madrid winning the Champions League it was great to see Messi win the World Cup for Argentina. 2 very different concepts.
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 10:06:41 PM
After years of seeing Real Madrid winning the Champions League it was great to see Messi win the World Cup for Argentina. 2 very different concepts.
Yeah the poor bastard has only won the four himself
MacAllister has Scottish ancestry not Irish.
Can't speak to the accuracy of it, but according to this he has Irish roots.
Argentina actually has the 4th or 5th highest population of Irish descent in the world,so it wouldn't be surprising.
https://www.irishpost.com/news/irish-roots-of-argentinas-world-cup-winner-alexis-mac-allister-244741 (https://www.irishpost.com/news/irish-roots-of-argentinas-world-cup-winner-alexis-mac-allister-244741)
World Cup 2022: Argentina's Alexis Mac Allister has roots in county Antrim village
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64011522
He's not irish until we hear him singing celtic symphony chorus!
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on December 18, 2022, 11:38:31 PM
Can't speak to the accuracy of it, but according to this he has Irish roots.
Argentina actually has the 4th or 5th highest population of Irish descent in the world,so it wouldn't be surprising.
https://www.irishpost.com/news/irish-roots-of-argentinas-world-cup-winner-alexis-mac-allister-244741 (https://www.irishpost.com/news/irish-roots-of-argentinas-world-cup-winner-alexis-mac-allister-244741)
The cottage he's ancestors left is apparently still standing in Donabate in Dublin.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 18, 2022, 11:35:02 PM
MacAllister has Scottish ancestry not Irish.
He has both.
Most Argentinians with any Irish blood come from Longford/Westmeath/Offaly. After the famine a shedload went over there.
I did one of this MyHeritage DNA thingys and not one distant relative have I in Argentina.
Amazingly I do have a distant distant cousin in Botswana.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on December 19, 2022, 08:59:26 AM
Most Argentinians with any Irish blood come from Longford/Westmeath/Offaly. After the famine a shedload went over there.
I did one of this MyHeritage DNA thingys and not one distant relative have I in Argentina.
Amazingly I do have a distant distant cousin in Botswana.
An old uncle in the missioners?
;)
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on December 19, 2022, 08:59:26 AM
Most Argentinians with any Irish blood come from Longford/Westmeath/Offaly. After the famine a shedload went over there.
I did one of this MyHeritage DNA thingys and not one distant relative have I in Argentina.
Amazingly I do have a distant distant cousin in Botswana.
Longford and Botswana, neither a hurling stronghold...
Too young to remember anything pre Euro 96, so for me this was the best international tournament I've watched for excitement, surprises and pure entertainment. The final round of group stage matches was great fun. The final a fitting end to the tournament - I don't think I've enjoyed a match as much before and certainly was the best final I can ever remember from any tournament.
Argentina certainly got the rub of the green at various points in the tournament but don't think anyone could argue they didn't deserve to win it. Messi certainly deserved the golden ball this tournament and nice to see him finally get land the big one.
Quote from: johnnycool on December 19, 2022, 09:06:25 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on December 19, 2022, 08:59:26 AM
Most Argentinians with any Irish blood come from Longford/Westmeath/Offaly. After the famine a shedload went over there.
I did one of this MyHeritage DNA thingys and not one distant relative have I in Argentina.
Amazingly I do have a distant distant cousin in Botswana.
An old uncle in the missioners?
;)
Could well have been!!
Well worth doing one of these tests.
No famous long distant cousins found so far.............
A paternity riddle was solved from my home town from the early 40s recently due to MyAncestry. Mad stuff.
Hardly a mention of Scaloni, won a world cup with the worst set of players going back to the last time they won it in 86. He got so much right since the first game including starting Di Maria last night who was outstanding.
Yeah that is a good point. They have been setup very well and DiMaria was a master stroke. You look at his history etc and lack of experience he is obviously a very capable manager.
Quote from: seafoid on December 18, 2022, 05:35:39 PM
McAllister's family is Irish. He has a brother called Kevin. There is a hurling club in Buenos Aires by the way as there is a sizeable Irish community there.
So would he be potentially 10 minutes away from being the first Irish person to win the World Cup ?
Aye Kevin, is he home alone?
Quote from: Mike Tyson on December 19, 2022, 09:49:45 AM
Too young to remember anything pre Euro 96, so for me this was the best international tournament I've watched for excitement, surprises and pure entertainment. The final round of group stage matches was great fun. The final a fitting end to the tournament - I don't think I've enjoyed a match as much before and certainly was the best final I can ever remember from any tournament.
Argentina certainly got the rub of the green at various points in the tournament but don't think anyone could argue they didn't deserve to win it. Messi certainly deserved the golden ball this tournament and nice to see him finally get land the big one.
Did England leave it behind them? Asking for a friend 😜
Quote from: Tatler Jack on December 19, 2022, 11:33:49 AM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on December 19, 2022, 09:49:45 AM
Too young to remember anything pre Euro 96, so for me this was the best international tournament I've watched for excitement, surprises and pure entertainment. The final round of group stage matches was great fun. The final a fitting end to the tournament - I don't think I've enjoyed a match as much before and certainly was the best final I can ever remember from any tournament.
Argentina certainly got the rub of the green at various points in the tournament but don't think anyone could argue they didn't deserve to win it. Messi certainly deserved the golden ball this tournament and nice to see him finally get land the big one.
Did England leave it behind them? Asking for a friend 😜
Argentina found a good balance as the tournament went on, they had probably the hardest working/running midfield to compliment the qualities of Messi and Di Maria, Alvarez also ran himself ragged to torment opponents for as long as his legs could go plus putting the ball in the net pretty regularly.
Defensively they were solid, if not spectacular and Martinez is the keeper of the tournament, no doubt.
Great tournament overall, and one of the best matches I've ever seen for the final.
Yeah, it was a bit stagnant for minutes in the second half and looked to be petering out, but what sporting event ever has had excitement from the first minute to the last?
Last minutes plus all the injury time plus the penalties was absolutely gripping. And the football Argentina played in the first half was top class too.
And we got two of the goals of the tournament in the final as well. The second Argentina goal was breathtaking first touch football, while Mbappe... As he hit it, I was shouting "why is he shooting from there? Why didn't he take a touch??" Shows you what I know! ;D
Martinez is a **** in the best sporting sense. You'd love his shithousing if it was for your side, and he can back it up too. Brilliant penalty save, and not for the first time in the tournament. And this for a lad who was an average journeyman for most of his career and sitting on Arsenal's bench two years ago.
Watch the scramble now in January for some of those Argentina players, along with the other big names and made-their-name players from the other teams.
yer man Salt Bae embarrassing himself with the World Cup trophy. Could maybe see through it if he was a famous Argentinian celebrity but the guy is Turkish ffs.
Quote from: johnnycool on December 19, 2022, 12:00:16 PM
Quote from: Tatler Jack on December 19, 2022, 11:33:49 AM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on December 19, 2022, 09:49:45 AM
Too young to remember anything pre Euro 96, so for me this was the best international tournament I've watched for excitement, surprises and pure entertainment. The final round of group stage matches was great fun. The final a fitting end to the tournament - I don't think I've enjoyed a match as much before and certainly was the best final I can ever remember from any tournament.
Argentina certainly got the rub of the green at various points in the tournament but don't think anyone could argue they didn't deserve to win it. Messi certainly deserved the golden ball this tournament and nice to see him finally get land the big one.
Did England leave it behind them? Asking for a friend 😜
Argentina found a good balance as the tournament went on, they had probably the hardest working/running midfield to compliment the qualities of Messi and Di Maria, Alvarez also ran himself ragged to torment opponents for as long as his legs could go plus putting the ball in the net pretty regularly.
Defensively they were solid, if not spectacular and Martinez is the keeper of the tournament, no doubt.
Croatian keeper wasn't far behind him.
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2022, 12:28:39 PM
Martinez is a **** in the best sporting sense. You'd love his shithousing if it was for your side, and he can back it up too. Brilliant penalty save, and not for the first time in the tournament. And this for a lad who was an average journeyman for most of his career and sitting on Arsenal's bench two years ago.
Arguably, he is just a **** in the sense of being a complete ******. You have just won the biggest game in the world and are on TV in front of 1.5Bn people, do you really want to be remembered for this? You wouldn't see Cluxton at that.
(https://talksport.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/12/emiliano-martinez-argentina-poses-photo-783780524.jpg?strip=all&w=700&quality=40)
Quote from: clarshack on December 19, 2022, 02:06:56 PM
yer man Salt Bae embarrassing himself with the World Cup trophy. Could maybe see through it if he was a famous Argentinian celebrity but the guy is Turkish ffs.
i never heard of salt bea before today.
Quote from: Eire90 on December 19, 2022, 08:11:51 PM
Quote from: clarshack on December 19, 2022, 02:06:56 PM
yer man Salt Bae embarrassing himself with the World Cup trophy. Could maybe see through it if he was a famous Argentinian celebrity but the guy is Turkish ffs.
i never heard of salt bea before today.
Yeah had to google him myself, seems like a right tool.
Quote from: armaghniac on December 19, 2022, 08:08:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2022, 12:28:39 PM
Martinez is a **** in the best sporting sense. You'd love his shithousing if it was for your side, and he can back it up too. Brilliant penalty save, and not for the first time in the tournament. And this for a lad who was an average journeyman for most of his career and sitting on Arsenal's bench two years ago.
Arguably, he is just a **** in the sense of being a complete ******. You have just won the biggest game in the world and are on TV in front of 1.5Bn people, do you really want to be remembered for this? You wouldn't see Cluxton at that.
(https://talksport.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/12/emiliano-martinez-argentina-poses-photo-783780524.jpg?strip=all&w=700&quality=40)
No defending that all right.
I was being generous and assuming he's not a complete immature moron personally and will be embarrassed about a momentary loss of sense. Honestly don't know much about him as a person.
My comment was about him as a goalkeeper.
Made an ass of himself in the presentation but that save will go down as one of the best ever given the timing of it.
(https://i.ibb.co/BwkpzyR/Screenshot-20221219-233836-2.png) (https://ibb.co/6NQMnH5)
Fair play to him, having a bit of craic. Two fingers up to the PC brigade, FIFA, Sheikhs and all the other bollocks in todays world. More power to him. He has a craziness in him, we should never lose that
Messi should have ripped that stupid coat off before he lifted the trophy too
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 20, 2022, 12:04:58 AM
Messi should have ripped that stupid coat off before he lifted the trophy too
Absolutely.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on December 19, 2022, 11:49:57 PM
Fair play to him, having a bit of craic. Two fingers up to the PC brigade, FIFA, Sheikhs and all the other bollocks in todays world. More power to him. He has a craziness in him, we should never lose that
100%! Spot the woke snowflakes above
Snowflake ha, its called manners, and that lad has zero.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 20, 2022, 01:20:12 AM
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on December 19, 2022, 11:49:57 PM
Fair play to him, having a bit of craic. Two fingers up to the PC brigade, FIFA, Sheikhs and all the other bollocks in todays world. More power to him. He has a craziness in him, we should never lose that
100%! Spot the woke snowflakes above
Nothing to do with being woke or a snowflake. The lad is a tool. He's in his 30s like ffs.
Edit: just reading he was making the gesture towards the French fans. How could anyone defend this like...
a lot of people seem to shout woke at eveything these days then cant even define it seems like they shout it because they seen others shout it yet they claim not to be sheep.
Quote from: RedHand88 on December 20, 2022, 06:35:27 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on December 20, 2022, 01:20:12 AM
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on December 19, 2022, 11:49:57 PM
Fair play to him, having a bit of craic. Two fingers up to the PC brigade, FIFA, Sheikhs and all the other bollocks in todays world. More power to him. He has a craziness in him, we should never lose that
100%! Spot the woke snowflakes above
Nothing to do with being woke or a snowflake. The lad is a tool. He's in his 30s like ffs.
Edit: just reading he was making the gesture towards the French fans. How could anyone defend this like...
Absolute tool alright, but a very fine goalkeeper not giving a flying fúck what us keyboard warriors think.
They always said keepers were a different breed althogether.
His club career is very average in comparison to his international. Bit of a journeyman almost.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 20, 2022, 08:50:30 AM
His club career is very average in comparison to his international. Bit of a journeyman almost.
that may change
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2022, 10:19:11 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 20, 2022, 08:50:30 AM
His club career is very average in comparison to his international. Bit of a journeyman almost.
that may change
Was back up at Arsenal at one stage I think? If I was him I'd retire on the spot, he'll never have to buy a pint again! That MacAllister lad will likely get a good move in Jan if he wants it
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 20, 2022, 10:33:38 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2022, 10:19:11 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 20, 2022, 08:50:30 AM
His club career is very average in comparison to his international. Bit of a journeyman almost.
that may change
Was back up at Arsenal at one stage I think? If I was him I'd retire on the spot, he'll never have to buy a pint again! That MacAllister lad will likely get a good move in Jan if he wants it
He waa at Oxford at one stage on loan.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 20, 2022, 10:33:38 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2022, 10:19:11 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 20, 2022, 08:50:30 AM
His club career is very average in comparison to his international. Bit of a journeyman almost.
that may change
Was back up at Arsenal at one stage I think? If I was him I'd retire on the spot, he'll never have to buy a pint again! That MacAllister lad will likely get a good move in Jan if he wants it
That Mcallister fella will never have to buy a pint in cushendall ever again
He's a journey man. Now at Villa. He's ordinary enough.
Mc Allister the same. His next game is Charlton away. It's rare enough that players get a huge move on the back of a good tournament. All the big teams have huge scouting networks. They have huge amounts of data on players. So jumping in to buy someone on the back of a few games against Saudi Arabia, Poland, Australia and Mexico isn't usually a smart idea. If he does get a move he will already have been a target and the World Cup performances won't have changed that.
Quote from: trailer on December 20, 2022, 10:54:28 AM
He's a journey man. Now at Villa. He's ordinary enough.
Mc Allister the same. His next game is Charlton away. It's rare enough that players get a huge move on the back of a good tournament. All the big teams have huge scouting networks. They have huge amounts of data on players. So jumping in to buy someone on the back of a few games against Saudi Arabia, Poland, Australia and Mexico isn't usually a smart idea. If he does get a move he will already have been a target and the World Cup performances won't have changed that.
On the other hand, winners are very marketable. Winning also draws attention to players. Ref Leicester 2016. Vardy ended up playing for England and meeting the delightful Rebekah out of it.
Those 2 players have something that no English player has.
Anyone see this before?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1605047876899463169 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1605047876899463169)
Quote from: johnnycool on December 20, 2022, 11:44:29 AM
Anyone see this before?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1605047876899463169 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1605047876899463169)
https://twitter.com/Brolic14/status/1604828560279056386 (https://twitter.com/Brolic14/status/1604828560279056386)
Quote from: trailer on December 20, 2022, 10:54:28 AM
He's a journey man. Now at Villa. He's ordinary enough.
Mc Allister the same. His next game is Charlton away. It's rare enough that players get a huge move on the back of a good tournament. All the big teams have huge scouting networks. They have huge amounts of data on players. So jumping in to buy someone on the back of a few games against Saudi Arabia, Poland, Australia and Mexico isn't usually a smart idea. If he does get a move he will already have been a target and the World Cup performances won't have changed that.
There has been some notable duds bought on the back of a World cup performances, I'll let others name them but how a player plays for his country over how he plays for a club team is different, some players are really patriotic others not so much so they take it to a different level, they are also playing in a different formation with a different role to play that can't always be matched at club level..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2022, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 20, 2022, 10:54:28 AM
He's a journey man. Now at Villa. He's ordinary enough.
Mc Allister the same. His next game is Charlton away. It's rare enough that players get a huge move on the back of a good tournament. All the big teams have huge scouting networks. They have huge amounts of data on players. So jumping in to buy someone on the back of a few games against Saudi Arabia, Poland, Australia and Mexico isn't usually a smart idea. If he does get a move he will already have been a target and the World Cup performances won't have changed that.
There has been some notable duds bought on the back of a World cup performances, I'll let others name them but how a player plays for his country over how he plays for a club team is different, some players are really patriotic others not so much so they take it to a different level, they are also playing in a different formation with a different role to play that can't always be matched at club level..
Pogba.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2022, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 20, 2022, 10:54:28 AM
He's a journey man. Now at Villa. He's ordinary enough.
Mc Allister the same. His next game is Charlton away. It's rare enough that players get a huge move on the back of a good tournament. All the big teams have huge scouting networks. They have huge amounts of data on players. So jumping in to buy someone on the back of a few games against Saudi Arabia, Poland, Australia and Mexico isn't usually a smart idea. If he does get a move he will already have been a target and the World Cup performances won't have changed that.
There has been some notable duds bought on the back of a World cup performances, I'll let others name them but how a player plays for his country over how he plays for a club team is different, some players are really patriotic others not so much so they take it to a different level, they are also playing in a different formation with a different role to play that can't always be matched at club level..
El hadj diouf to Liverpool after 2002 WC was the worst
No one had even heard of him
Quote from: johnnycool on December 20, 2022, 11:44:29 AM
Anyone see this before?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1605047876899463169 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1605047876899463169)
Reminded me of Michael Murphy 's flick on in 2014 v the dubs for Donegal s third goal
Quote from: Armamike on December 20, 2022, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2022, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 20, 2022, 10:54:28 AM
He's a journey man. Now at Villa. He's ordinary enough.
Mc Allister the same. His next game is Charlton away. It's rare enough that players get a huge move on the back of a good tournament. All the big teams have huge scouting networks. They have huge amounts of data on players. So jumping in to buy someone on the back of a few games against Saudi Arabia, Poland, Australia and Mexico isn't usually a smart idea. If he does get a move he will already have been a target and the World Cup performances won't have changed that.
There has been some notable duds bought on the back of a World cup performances, I'll let others name them but how a player plays for his country over how he plays for a club team is different, some players are really patriotic others not so much so they take it to a different level, they are also playing in a different formation with a different role to play that can't always be matched at club level..
Pogba.
Pogba went to United after the euros in 2016 , not the World Cup
James Rodriguez
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 20, 2022, 02:14:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2022, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 20, 2022, 10:54:28 AM
He's a journey man. Now at Villa. He's ordinary enough.
Mc Allister the same. His next game is Charlton away. It's rare enough that players get a huge move on the back of a good tournament. All the big teams have huge scouting networks. They have huge amounts of data on players. So jumping in to buy someone on the back of a few games against Saudi Arabia, Poland, Australia and Mexico isn't usually a smart idea. If he does get a move he will already have been a target and the World Cup performances won't have changed that.
There has been some notable duds bought on the back of a World cup performances, I'll let others name them but how a player plays for his country over how he plays for a club team is different, some players are really patriotic others not so much so they take it to a different level, they are also playing in a different formation with a different role to play that can't always be matched at club level..
El hadj diouf to Liverpool after 2002 WC was the worst
No one had even heard of him
Diouf was the African player of the year twice -2001 and 2002. He also had a reasonably productive season at Lens the previous two years. It did not work out for him here but he was far from a one tournament wonder.
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 20, 2022, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: Armamike on December 20, 2022, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2022, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 20, 2022, 10:54:28 AM
He's a journey man. Now at Villa. He's ordinary enough.
Mc Allister the same. His next game is Charlton away. It's rare enough that players get a huge move on the back of a good tournament. All the big teams have huge scouting networks. They have huge amounts of data on players. So jumping in to buy someone on the back of a few games against Saudi Arabia, Poland, Australia and Mexico isn't usually a smart idea. If he does get a move he will already have been a target and the World Cup performances won't have changed that.
There has been some notable duds bought on the back of a World cup performances, I'll let others name them but how a player plays for his country over how he plays for a club team is different, some players are really patriotic others not so much so they take it to a different level, they are also playing in a different formation with a different role to play that can't always be matched at club level..
Pogba.
Pogba went to United after the euros in 2016 , not the World Cup
James Rodriguez
Think he means Pogba usually brilliant for France but shite at club level which is true
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 20, 2022, 10:19:11 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 20, 2022, 08:50:30 AM
His club career is very average in comparison to his international. Bit of a journeyman almost.
that may change
It already has changed. He is in his 3rd season as number one at the same club. Where he set a club record number of clean sheets in his first season.
Quote from: Cavan19 on December 20, 2022, 11:50:42 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 20, 2022, 11:44:29 AM
Anyone see this before?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1605047876899463169 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1605047876899463169)
https://twitter.com/Brolic14/status/1604828560279056386 (https://twitter.com/Brolic14/status/1604828560279056386)
What am I liking at here?
Quote from: gawa316 on December 20, 2022, 02:55:36 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on December 20, 2022, 11:50:42 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 20, 2022, 11:44:29 AM
Anyone see this before?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1605047876899463169 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1605047876899463169)
https://twitter.com/Brolic14/status/1604828560279056386 (https://twitter.com/Brolic14/status/1604828560279056386)
What am I liking at here?
You can like all you want, ;) but my link was of a video during the WC Final where it looked as if a French lad handled the ball just before they were awarded the penalty.
Cavan19's clip of the same incident from a different angle dispels that concern.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 20, 2022, 02:38:05 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 20, 2022, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: Armamike on December 20, 2022, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2022, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 20, 2022, 10:54:28 AM
He's a journey man. Now at Villa. He's ordinary enough.
Mc Allister the same. His next game is Charlton away. It's rare enough that players get a huge move on the back of a good tournament. All the big teams have huge scouting networks. They have huge amounts of data on players. So jumping in to buy someone on the back of a few games against Saudi Arabia, Poland, Australia and Mexico isn't usually a smart idea. If he does get a move he will already have been a target and the World Cup performances won't have changed that.
There has been some notable duds bought on the back of a World cup performances, I'll let others name them but how a player plays for his country over how he plays for a club team is different, some players are really patriotic others not so much so they take it to a different level, they are also playing in a different formation with a different role to play that can't always be matched at club level..
Pogba.
Pogba went to United after the euros in 2016 , not the World Cup
James Rodriguez
Think he means Pogba usually brilliant for France but shite at club level which is true
Exactly. Different player for club and country.
When Liverpool chose El Hadj f**king Diouff over Nikolas Anelka in the summer of 2002.
Beginning of the end for Houllier.
Remember being young and United signing Poborsky off the back of the Euro's and that goal. I definitely think the difference with international football is how together certain teams or squads are along with how passionate/patriotic certain nations players are. The major factor though is that the standard of international football isn't as high as top tier club football.
Quote from: Armamike on December 20, 2022, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 20, 2022, 02:38:05 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on December 20, 2022, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: Armamike on December 20, 2022, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2022, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 20, 2022, 10:54:28 AM
He's a journey man. Now at Villa. He's ordinary enough.
Mc Allister the same. His next game is Charlton away. It's rare enough that players get a huge move on the back of a good tournament. All the big teams have huge scouting networks. They have huge amounts of data on players. So jumping in to buy someone on the back of a few games against Saudi Arabia, Poland, Australia and Mexico isn't usually a smart idea. If he does get a move he will already have been a target and the World Cup performances won't have changed that.
There has been some notable duds bought on the back of a World cup performances, I'll let others name them but how a player plays for his country over how he plays for a club team is different, some players are really patriotic others not so much so they take it to a different level, they are also playing in a different formation with a different role to play that can't always be matched at club level..
Pogba.
Pogba went to United after the euros in 2016 , not the World Cup
James Rodriguez
Think he means Pogba usually brilliant for France but shite at club level which is true
Exactly. Different player for club and country.
MacAllister is only 23, hardly a journeyman. Brighton aren't so slow in the recruitment stakes, 3 Ecuadorians who all performed well at the WC as well. No doubt Brighton will say he's not for sale but MacAllister & Brighton will both be looking a move
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 20, 2022, 03:36:48 PM
Remember being young and United signing Poborsky off the back of the Euro's and that goal. I definitely think the difference with international football is how together certain teams or squads are along with how passionate/patriotic certain nations players are. The major factor though is that the standard of international football isn't as high as top tier club football.
So the French team wouldn't be competing for the EPL if they had a team in it? Or Brazil for that matter or the current winners?
Quote from: johnnycool on December 20, 2022, 02:59:32 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 20, 2022, 02:55:36 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on December 20, 2022, 11:50:42 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 20, 2022, 11:44:29 AM
Anyone see this before?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1605047876899463169 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1605047876899463169)
https://twitter.com/Brolic14/status/1604828560279056386 (https://twitter.com/Brolic14/status/1604828560279056386)
What am I liking at here?
You can like all you want, ;) but my link was of a video during the WC Final where it looked as if a French lad handled the ball just before they were awarded the penalty.
Cavan19's clip of the same incident from a different angle dispels that concern.
Ha ha...it was before 7am and I was looking at my phone with one squinted eye!
MacAllister just signed a new deal with Brighton before he went to the WC. Clever business by them. You'd think they'll get bids for him and Caicedo in January and could easily make close to £100m.
Martinez is an asshole. Think he was disrespectful to Mbappe too in the changing rooms. A good keeper who had the tournament of a lifetime. Villa could cash in on him and get great money too from a European team, though he's dodgy with his feet.
As for players off the back of a tournament my heart still breaks over El Hadj Dioff
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2022, 04:15:07 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 20, 2022, 03:36:48 PM
Remember being young and United signing Poborsky off the back of the Euro's and that goal. I definitely think the difference with international football is how together certain teams or squads are along with how passionate/patriotic certain nations players are. The major factor though is that the standard of international football isn't as high as top tier club football.
So the French team wouldn't be competing for the EPL if they had a team in it? Or Brazil for that matter or the current winners?
On average, the standard is lower.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 20, 2022, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2022, 04:15:07 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 20, 2022, 03:36:48 PM
Remember being young and United signing Poborsky off the back of the Euro's and that goal. I definitely think the difference with international football is how together certain teams or squads are along with how passionate/patriotic certain nations players are. The major factor though is that the standard of international football isn't as high as top tier club football.
So the French team wouldn't be competing for the EPL if they had a team in it? Or Brazil for that matter or the current winners?
On average, the standard is lower.
Yes, the World Cup standard is of a lower level on average. What makes the World Cup special is the National identity and belonging of the players. That also with the tournament being held every four years and a guaranteed world-wide audience.
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 20, 2022, 07:07:57 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 20, 2022, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2022, 04:15:07 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 20, 2022, 03:36:48 PM
Remember being young and United signing Poborsky off the back of the Euro's and that goal. I definitely think the difference with international football is how together certain teams or squads are along with how passionate/patriotic certain nations players are. The major factor though is that the standard of international football isn't as high as top tier club football.
So the French team wouldn't be competing for the EPL if they had a team in it? Or Brazil for that matter or the current winners?
On average, the standard is lower.
Yes, the World Cup standard is of a lower level on average. What makes the World Cup special is the National identity and belonging of the players. That also with the tournament being held every four years and a guaranteed world-wide audience.
I put up four National teams, in every league there are maybe, depending on which league, 2 cracking teams and 2 better than average, the rest aren't great, I didn't mentioned Spain or Portugal or even the Dutch or Belgium teams, while Belgium were shite at this tournament they are better than Utd spurs Chelsea and on current league form, Liverpool!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2022, 07:17:28 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 20, 2022, 07:07:57 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 20, 2022, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 20, 2022, 04:15:07 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 20, 2022, 03:36:48 PM
Remember being young and United signing Poborsky off the back of the Euro's and that goal. I definitely think the difference with international football is how together certain teams or squads are along with how passionate/patriotic certain nations players are. The major factor though is that the standard of international football isn't as high as top tier club football.
So the French team wouldn't be competing for the EPL if they had a team in it? Or Brazil for that matter or the current winners?
On average, the standard is lower.
Yes, the World Cup standard is of a lower level on average. What makes the World Cup special is the National identity and belonging of the players. That also with the tournament being held every four years and a guaranteed world-wide audience.
I put up four National teams, in every league there are maybe, depending on which league, 2 cracking teams and 2 better than average, the rest aren't great, I didn't mentioned Spain or Portugal or even the Dutch or Belgium teams, while Belgium were shite at this tournament they are better than Utd spurs Chelsea and on current league form, Liverpool!
Maybe if they were training together all year round like club teams they'd be a higher standard, but tactically the club game is miles ahead
It's not difficult to get your head round, top level European clubs have a massive transfer budget. A national team is restricted by who they can pick
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 20, 2022, 06:32:31 PM
MacAllister just signed a new deal with Brighton before he went to the WC. Clever business by them. You'd think they'll get bids for him and Caicedo in January and could easily make close to £100m.
Martinez is an asshole. Think he was disrespectful to Mbappe too in the changing rooms. A good keeper who had the tournament of a lifetime. Villa could cash in on him and get great money too from a European team, though he's dodgy with his feet.
As for players off the back of a tournament my heart still breaks over El Hadj Dioff
Was Salif Diao signed at the same time with just as little impact.
Diao came in as a squad option though. Diouff came in as a starting forward, and worse, it meant they opted against Anelka, who had just completed a successful half-season loan at Anfield.
And in addition to being fairly useless overall, Diouff was a sc**bag.
France have an excellent squad, but you can see the difference in standards on average just by looking at the individual players representing Morocco, Argentina and Croatia in the semi finals. Its not even comparable to the top club teams. As Saffrongael stated, it's common sense that clubs with no nationality or financial restrictions will have better sides than most national sides.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 20, 2022, 06:32:31 PM
MacAllister just signed a new deal with Brighton before he went to the WC. Clever business by them. You'd think they'll get bids for him and Caicedo in January and could easily make close to £100m.
Martinez is an asshole. Think he was disrespectful to Mbappe too in the changing rooms. A good keeper who had the tournament of a lifetime. Villa could cash in on him and get great money too from a European team, though he's dodgy with his feet.
As for players off the back of a tournament my heart still breaks over El Hadj Dioff
His feet won them the World Cup, to be fair
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 20, 2022, 07:49:47 PM
France have an excellent squad, but you can see the difference in standards on average just by looking at the individual players representing Morocco, Argentina and Croatia in the semi finals. Its not even comparable to the top club teams. As Saffrongael stated, it's common sense that clubs with no nationality or financial restrictions will have better sides than most national sides.
That's because of the money in soccer. PSG have Neymar and Messi.
The last 6 World Cups have been won by 6 different teams. Competitiveness is better than in the moneybags Champions League where it's always the same teams.
Quote from: seafoid on December 21, 2022, 01:57:02 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 20, 2022, 07:49:47 PM
France have an excellent squad, but you can see the difference in standards on average just by looking at the individual players representing Morocco, Argentina and Croatia in the semi finals. Its not even comparable to the top club teams. As Saffrongael stated, it's common sense that clubs with no nationality or financial restrictions will have better sides than most national sides.
That's because of the money in soccer. PSG have Neymar and Messi.
The last 6 World Cups have been won by 6 different teams. Competitiveness is better than in the moneybags Champions League where it's always the same teams.
Same six teams have shared the World Cup in the last 55 years
Last four Champions league titles was won by 4 different teams and three of the finalists Tottenham, PSG, Manchester City reached their first final, the longer the latter two go without winning it the funnier it will be.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 21, 2022, 02:35:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 21, 2022, 01:57:02 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 20, 2022, 07:49:47 PM
France have an excellent squad, but you can see the difference in standards on average just by looking at the individual players representing Morocco, Argentina and Croatia in the semi finals. Its not even comparable to the top club teams. As Saffrongael stated, it's common sense that clubs with no nationality or financial restrictions will have better sides than most national sides.
That's because of the money in soccer. PSG have Neymar and Messi.
The last 6 World Cups have been won by 6 different teams. Competitiveness is better than in the moneybags Champions League where it's always the same teams.
Same six teams have shared the World Cup in the last 55 years
Last four Champions league titles was won by 4 different teams and three of the finalists Tottenham, PSG, Manchester City reached their first final, the longer the latter two go without winning it the funnier it will be.
5 teams have shared the last 12 Champions League titles. Concentration power is stronger at club level. Because of money.
Maybe that makes the World Cup more interesting .
https://www.rte.ie/sport/world-cup-2022/2022/1220/1342998-world-cup-within-reach-of-states-and-celebrity-chefs/
journalist Jon Sopel quoted a source close to the Qatari ruling family on the News Agents podcast.
"Nothing good has come to us as a result of this. And this has all been a giant waste of money, and I wish it would all just go away, but it can't," paraphrased Sopel, adding that the general consensus was that the tournament had, after just three days, "gone to s**t in so many ways".
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 20, 2022, 06:32:31 PM
MacAllister just signed a new deal with Brighton before he went to the WC. Clever business by them. You'd think they'll get bids for him and Caicedo in January and could easily make close to £100m.
Martinez is an asshole. Think he was disrespectful to Mbappe too in the changing rooms. A good keeper who had the tournament of a lifetime. Villa could cash in on him and get great money too from a European team, though he's dodgy with his feet.
As for players off the back of a tournament my heart still breaks over El Hadj Dioff
An absolute w**ker. Mbappe put 4 past him ffs. The guy has no self awareness. That's why he's at Villa. Arteta couldn't stand him.
Quote from: trailer on December 21, 2022, 09:44:27 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 20, 2022, 06:32:31 PM
MacAllister just signed a new deal with Brighton before he went to the WC. Clever business by them. You'd think they'll get bids for him and Caicedo in January and could easily make close to £100m.
Martinez is an asshole. Think he was disrespectful to Mbappe too in the changing rooms. A good keeper who had the tournament of a lifetime. Villa could cash in on him and get great money too from a European team, though he's dodgy with his feet.
As for players off the back of a tournament my heart still breaks over El Hadj Dioff
An absolute w**ker. Mbappe put 4 past him ffs. The guy has no self awareness. That's why he's at Villa. Arteta couldn't stand him.
I'd rather be a w**ker with a world cup medal than a nice fella without one lol. Mbappe made him look shite just a pity his teammates shit the bed.
The celebrations in Buenos Aires getting out of control. A fan died jumping onto a roof ,and a 5 year in a coma
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 21, 2022, 09:47:41 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 21, 2022, 09:44:27 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 20, 2022, 06:32:31 PM
MacAllister just signed a new deal with Brighton before he went to the WC. Clever business by them. You'd think they'll get bids for him and Caicedo in January and could easily make close to £100m.
Martinez is an asshole. Think he was disrespectful to Mbappe too in the changing rooms. A good keeper who had the tournament of a lifetime. Villa could cash in on him and get great money too from a European team, though he's dodgy with his feet.
As for players off the back of a tournament my heart still breaks over El Hadj Dioff
An absolute w**ker. Mbappe put 4 past him ffs. The guy has no self awareness. That's why he's at Villa. Arteta couldn't stand him.
I'd rather be a w**ker with a world cup medal than a nice fella without one lol. Mbappe made him look shite just a pity his teammates shit the bed.
You're half way there anyway... LOL!
I don't mind Martinez atall. Pure shithousery but not even on a level he was at during the Copa. Whatever gets you an edge. He knows it could come back to bite him at any stage but doesn't give a fook. I wouldn't have him as my club keeper though.
I think he'd be great in the Tyrone set-up.
Quote from: trailer on December 21, 2022, 11:07:43 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 21, 2022, 09:47:41 AM
Quote from: trailer on December 21, 2022, 09:44:27 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 20, 2022, 06:32:31 PM
MacAllister just signed a new deal with Brighton before he went to the WC. Clever business by them. You'd think they'll get bids for him and Caicedo in January and could easily make close to £100m.
Martinez is an asshole. Think he was disrespectful to Mbappe too in the changing rooms. A good keeper who had the tournament of a lifetime. Villa could cash in on him and get great money too from a European team, though he's dodgy with his feet.
As for players off the back of a tournament my heart still breaks over El Hadj Dioff
An absolute w**ker. Mbappe put 4 past him ffs. The guy has no self awareness. That's why he's at Villa. Arteta couldn't stand him.
I'd rather be a w**ker with a world cup medal than a nice fella without one lol. Mbappe made him look shite just a pity his teammates shit the bed.
You're half way there anyway... LOL!
;) ;)
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 20, 2022, 07:49:47 PM
France have an excellent squad, but you can see the difference in standards on average just by looking at the individual players representing Morocco, Argentina and Croatia in the semi finals. Its not even comparable to the top club teams. As Saffrongael stated, it's common sense that clubs with no nationality or financial restrictions will have better sides than most national sides.
There's also the scenario of players starting on the bigger international teams not being able to get a start with their club side, e.g Richarldson, Maguire and a few others i can't think of right now!
It was interesting to see the influence the 2 superstars from the same club team had on the Final. It was like Wales and Denmark but on a higher level.
Quote from: ONeill on December 21, 2022, 11:14:40 AM
I don't mind Martinez atall. Pure shithousery but not even on a level he was at during the Copa. Whatever gets you an edge. He knows it could come back to bite him at any stage but doesn't give a fook. I wouldn't have him as my club keeper though.
I think he'd be great in the Tyrone set-up.
No issues about his on field behaviour. Whatever to ge to be Tyne line and history won't make any reference to it. He is an asshole off the field and that's my issue with him. You don't have to be all mates with opponents but have some respect.
Quote from: trailer on December 21, 2022, 09:44:27 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 20, 2022, 06:32:31 PM
MacAllister just signed a new deal with Brighton before he went to the WC. Clever business by them. You'd think they'll get bids for him and Caicedo in January and could easily make close to £100m.
Martinez is an asshole. Think he was disrespectful to Mbappe too in the changing rooms. A good keeper who had the tournament of a lifetime. Villa could cash in on him and get great money too from a European team, though he's dodgy with his feet.
As for players off the back of a tournament my heart still breaks over El Hadj Dioff
An absolute w**ker. Mbappe put 4 past him ffs. The guy has no self awareness. That's why he's at Villa. Arteta couldn't stand him.
Mbappé lost
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 21, 2022, 04:04:48 PM
Quote from: trailer on December 21, 2022, 09:44:27 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 20, 2022, 06:32:31 PM
MacAllister just signed a new deal with Brighton before he went to the WC. Clever business by them. You'd think they'll get bids for him and Caicedo in January and could easily make close to £100m.
Martinez is an asshole. Think he was disrespectful to Mbappe too in the changing rooms. A good keeper who had the tournament of a lifetime. Villa could cash in on him and get great money too from a European team, though he's dodgy with his feet.
As for players off the back of a tournament my heart still breaks over El Hadj Dioff
An absolute w**ker. Mbappe put 4 past him ffs. The guy has no self awareness. That's why he's at Villa. Arteta couldn't stand him.
Mbappé lost
France lost.
Quote from: Armamike on December 21, 2022, 11:32:21 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 20, 2022, 07:49:47 PM
France have an excellent squad, but you can see the difference in standards on average just by looking at the individual players representing Morocco, Argentina and Croatia in the semi finals. Its not even comparable to the top club teams. As Saffrongael stated, it's common sense that clubs with no nationality or financial restrictions will have better sides than most national sides.
There's also the scenario of players starting on the bigger international teams not being able to get a start with their club side, e.g Richarldson, Maguire and a few others i can't think of right now!
The same with most countries, Griezeman hasn't played much at Madrid and Giroud wouldn't be starting at most big club sides. Go through almost of the world cup teams and you will see there are lots of players who wouldn't be leading lights with top teams.
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France have an excellent squad, but you can see the difference in standards on average just by looking at the individual players representing Morocco, Argentina and Croatia in the semi finals. Its not even comparable to the top club teams. As Saffrongael stated, it's common sense that clubs with no nationality or financial restrictions will have better sides than most national sides.
There's also the scenario of players starting on the bigger international teams not being able to get a start with their club side, e.g Richarldson, Maguire and a few others i can't think of right now!
The same with most countries, Griezeman hasn't played much at Madrid and Giroud wouldn't be starting at most big club sides. Go through almost of the world cup teams and you will see there are lots of players who wouldn't be leading lights with top teams.
And yet he was probably a strong contender for player of the tournament pre final. Seems like a lot of those boys can turn it on when it suits them, theywant to impress at a world cup or they when are looking a new contract.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bFW8HKXAn0
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/joe-lycett-called-out-playing-28783661.amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/joe-lycett-called-out-playing-28783661.amp)
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Who is Joe Lycett? I've never heard of him before this post
He represents the "woke" ;D.
He's a gay comedian who wasn't too happy about Beckham being a gay icon and taking 10 million from Qatar or taking 10 million to go to Qatar or something like that and then said he'd burn loads of money if he went.
Bit of an eejit but media seem to now have dug out he did a gig there in 2015 or something.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 22, 2022, 12:38:58 PM
He represents the "woke" ;D.
He's a gay comedian who wasn't too happy about Beckham being a gay icon and taking 10 million from Qatar or taking 10 million to go to Qatar or something like that and then said he'd burn loads of money if he went.
Bit of an eejit but media seem to now have dug out he did a gig there in 2015 or something.
Right, so its backfired for him slightly? Didn't realise David was a gay icon either.. Every day is a school day
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 22, 2022, 12:38:58 PM
He represents the "woke" ;D.
He's a gay comedian who wasn't too happy about Beckham being a gay icon and taking 10 million from Qatar or taking 10 million to go to Qatar or something like that and then said he'd burn loads of money if he went.
Bit of an eejit but media seem to now have dug out he did a gig there in 2015 or something.
a total arsehole
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Quote from: imtommygunn on December 22, 2022, 12:38:58 PM
He represents the "woke" ;D.
He's a gay comedian who wasn't too happy about Beckham being a gay icon and taking 10 million from Qatar or taking 10 million to go to Qatar or something like that and then said he'd burn loads of money if he went.
Bit of an eejit but media seem to now have dug out he did a gig there in 2015 or something.
Right, so its backfired for him slightly? Didn't realise David was a gay icon either.. Every day is a school day
Didn't realise Beckham was a gay icon either.
I don't use the term "woke" seriously. That has mushroomed into a term that groups a lot of views together and is a nonsense.
Yeah he's a bit of an arsehole.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 22, 2022, 12:38:58 PM
He represents the "woke" ;D.
He's a gay comedian who wasn't too happy about Beckham being a gay icon and taking 10 million from Qatar or taking 10 million to go to Qatar or something like that and then said he'd burn loads of money if he went.
Bit of an eejit but media seem to now have dug out he did a gig there in 2015 or something.
I can't stand him but tbf there's a bit of a difference in being paid by government officials to represent and advertise the country and ex-pats buying tickets to see you
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Quote from: imtommygunn on December 22, 2022, 12:38:58 PM
He represents the "woke" ;D.
He's a gay comedian who wasn't too happy about Beckham being a gay icon and taking 10 million from Qatar or taking 10 million to go to Qatar or something like that and then said he'd burn loads of money if he went.
Bit of an eejit but media seem to now have dug out he did a gig there in 2015 or something.
I can't stand him but tbf there's a bit of a difference in being paid by government officials to represent and advertise the country and ex-pats buying tickets to see you
Aye seems like about 10 million of a difference...
There would need to be a long list of people who have been paid or getting paid by these countries, especially in football terms, how many clubs are involved or owned by countries like Qatar ?
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Quote from: Mourne Red on December 22, 2022, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 22, 2022, 12:38:58 PM
He represents the "woke" ;D.
He's a gay comedian who wasn't too happy about Beckham being a gay icon and taking 10 million from Qatar or taking 10 million to go to Qatar or something like that and then said he'd burn loads of money if he went.
Bit of an eejit but media seem to now have dug out he did a gig there in 2015 or something.
I can't stand him but tbf there's a bit of a difference in being paid by government officials to represent and advertise the country and ex-pats buying tickets to see you
Aye seems like about 10 million of a difference...
There would need to be a long list of people who have been paid or getting paid by these countries, especially in football terms, how many clubs are involved or owned by countries like Qatar ?
10? Was Beckham not getting £150 million? PSG, Newcastle, City all with shady Middle Eastern owners.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on December 22, 2022, 12:38:58 PM
He represents the "woke" ;D.
He's a gay comedian who wasn't too happy about Beckham being a gay icon and taking 10 million from Qatar or taking 10 million to go to Qatar or something like that and then said he'd burn loads of money if he went.
Bit of an eejit but media seem to now have dug out he did a gig there in 2015 or something.
I can't stand him but tbf there's a bit of a difference in being paid by government officials to represent and advertise the country and ex-pats buying tickets to see you
Aye seems like about 10 million of a difference...
There would need to be a long list of people who have been paid or getting paid by these countries, especially in football terms, how many clubs are involved or owned by countries like Qatar ?
10? Was Beckham not getting £150 million? PSG, Newcastle, City all with shady Middle Eastern owners.
£150 million? Wow, how much is Messi getting for the middle east travel advertisements?
So we are less accountable for things we do when we are younger so allowed to berate people for doing the same thing when they are older?
Strange logic, unless he's changed his views on gay rights in that country
Qatar still held those views 10 years ago, if he was going there to do a protest gig then spot on, and how young was he? 23, 24? at what age do you grow up?
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MacAllister just signed a new deal with Brighton before he went to the WC. Clever business by them. You'd think they'll get bids for him and Caicedo in January and could easily make close to £100m.
Martinez is an asshole. Think he was disrespectful to Mbappe too in the changing rooms. A good keeper who had the tournament of a lifetime. Villa could cash in on him and get great money too from a European team, though he's dodgy with his feet.
As for players off the back of a tournament my heart still breaks over El Hadj Dioff
An absolute w**ker. Mbappe put 4 past him ffs. The guy has no self awareness. That's why he's at Villa. Arteta couldn't stand him.
Mbappé lost
France lost.
I didn't realise he wasn't part of the French squad. Either way he lost
Either way, Martinez is a c*nt
Lycett has been made to look like a tube but has succeeded in raising his profile which is what he has been after with the Beckham bashing. Complete unknown until all this.
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So we are less accountable for things we do when we are younger so allowed to berate people for doing the same thing when they are older?
Strange logic, unless he's changed his views on gay rights in that country
Qatar still held those views 10 years ago, if he was going there to do a protest gig then spot on, and how young was he? 23, 24? at what age do you grow up?
Nothing strange about it at all. Have you never done anything when you were younger that you now look back on and cringe or at the very least say "I wouldn't do that now"? Because if you haven't, you can join Todd Flanders in casting stones at will. And that can pretty much go with any age as people mature/learn/experience more things. I know that there's things from even just over a handful of years ago that I regret doing that in hindsight I'd either not do or do differently.
Only Mr Lycett can answer your question on wherever he was aware of Qatari's sexuality laws at the time, but as someone whom wouldn't have been much in the UK comedy spotlight at the time, he might have felt that such a gig (without knowing the full details I'm guessing was part of an "ex-pat" tour involving several countries, most stand up comedians you see on the telly these days will have done something like them and often still do) wasn't one he could turn down without jeopardising all other dates with his agency.
As it is, the only reason this has became any sort of news is because Joe Lycett has had gall to point out holes & mock thin-skinned ministers of the current & recent Westminster governments on various issues both on his own platforms and on a few TV programmes. If the best dirt a few client journalists can do on him is "EXCLUSIVE!! JOE LYCETT DID A GIG IN QATAR IN 2015!! OMG!!! **Turn to Page 3 where Debbie from Essex gives her opinion on Lycett the hypocrite**" Then they really haven't shit to go on.
I'm not doing the "he without sin" shite, I can't speak for him and neither can you. Only he knows if Qatar had human right issues 10 years ago, or their view on gay rights, but being a Muslim country you'd have to be aged around 12 or 13 not to know their views on being gay, and if it was 10 years ago, he was 24, not a child or just out of nappies
As for me, well I'm not on tv radio or throwing stones at someone, you are doing a lot of guess work on his behalf
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Quote from: imtommygunn on December 22, 2022, 12:38:58 PM
He represents the "woke" ;D .
He's a gay comedian who wasn't too happy about Beckham being a gay icon and taking 10 million from Qatar or taking 10 million to go to Qatar or something like that and then said he'd burn loads of money if he went.
Bit of an eejit but media seem to now have dug out he did a gig there in 2015 or something.
I can't stand him but tbf there's a bit of a difference in being paid by government officials to represent and advertise the country and ex-pats buying tickets to see you
Lycett isn't much of my cup of tea either (though his story of how he got out of a fixed parking fine as told on 8OO10C does Countdown was very good), but given that his Qatari gig was seven years ago, he's not tried to hide that he did it not to mention that he was a younger comedian starting out and "needing the money" means that it gives him plenty of plausibility to say that he wouldn't do it now. People's opinions/views can change over time. We've all done things when we were younger as teens or young adults that we wouldn't do today with hindsight/knowledge/maturity we now have, that's why I don't generally hold things against people who did stuff they did when they were younger that were idiotic/naive but wouldn't now. Especially when the self-proclaimed holder of morality & hypocrisy pointing is the f**king S*n newspaper. It's not the smoking gun it tries to play it as. Had he done a gig out there either earlier this year or last year, then his wriggle room would have been a lot, lot less.
He doesn't represent what they like so they were out to get him. Too "woke" for their liking.
That said he still is a bit of an arsehole but independent of this ;D
I cant see his comedy being a big hit in Qatar. That's the bit that hasn't been mentioned in all this.
Yeah that is a good point. I dunno how it would work at all.
Jonathan Wilson on how rotten Qatar is and how corrupt it was to award the World Cup to it.
Starts about 1:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bFW8HKXAn0
Salt Bey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BJnmIwNeWM
Andres Cantor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66Wfx5_XDa0
vs SBB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmSrQUG9HSE&t=61s
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 22, 2022, 02:18:47 PM
Lycett has been made to look like a tube but has succeeded in raising his profile which is what he has been after with the Beckham bashing. Complete unknown until all this.
He was on Laura Kuensberg's first sunday morning show where she gives labour politicians a very tough time and goes extremely easy on tory government ministers. He absolutely destroyed her on that show in a very clever way and left her extremely embarrassed. I'm not a big fan of his at all but he was really good on that show.
Swiss TV's top 10 World Cup goals
https://www.rts.ch/sport/video/football/international/coupe-du-monde-de-la-fifa/13639225-top-10-des-plus-beaux-buts-de-la-coupe-du-monde.html
Another winter World Cup in store
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67271423
Saudi Arabia is set to host the men's 2034 World Cup after Fifa confirmed it was the only bidder for the tournament.
Australia decided against bidding to stage the tournament hours before Fifa's deadline for declarations of interest on Tuesday.
Morocco, Portugal and Spain are the only bidders for the 2030 edition, (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67010609) with games also played in Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay.
A Fifa congress will confirm the hosts in late 2024.
The 2026 World Cup will take place in the US, Mexico and Canada.
Australia's governing body Football Australia says it intends to focus its efforts on hosting the Women's Asian Cup in 2026 and the Club World Cup in 2029.
Football's world governing body Fifa had said the 2034 World Cup would be held in Asia or Oceania, and an Australian bid was regarded as the only potential challenger to Saudi Arabia, which announced its intention to bid shortly after Fifa's decision.
After Tuesday's deadline passed, football's world governing body confirmed the bids for the 2030 and 2034 World Cups and said there will now be "thorough bidding and evaluation processes" for the tournaments.
Fifa said it will "conduct a targeted dialogue with bidders, to ensure complete, comprehensive bids are received and evaluated against the minimum hosting requirements as also previously approved by the Fifa Council....