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« Reply #330 on: September 23, 2022, 12:58:14 PM »
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the tanks against the $...

"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"

It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that sht they still need UC to survive..

We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
Im all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money theyre milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.

It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.

And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.

Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy
100% agree. Would break your heart.

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« Reply #331 on: September 23, 2022, 01:08:38 PM »
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.

The rise in NI was meant to pay for Social Care reform, that now either isn't happening (my bets on this one) or they're borrowing to fund it..

With the dropping vrs the $ then expect wholesale oil prices to go up and with that everything else...

We have no Gov in NI so we'll see no benefit from the Social Care reform. Scrapping the tax on something we'll not benefit from is welcomed in my view.

Oh, that's ok then....  ::)

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« Reply #332 on: September 23, 2022, 01:18:14 PM »
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.

The rise in NI was meant to pay for Social Care reform, that now either isn't happening (my bets on this one) or they're borrowing to fund it..

With the dropping vrs the $ then expect wholesale oil prices to go up and with that everything else...

We have no Gov in NI so we'll see no benefit from the Social Care reform. Scrapping the tax on something we'll not benefit from is welcomed in my view.

Oh, that's ok then....  ::)

People made their choice at the last Stormont election. They overwhelming voted for parties who will not or cannot work together. They will have to just get on with it now.
I have huge sympathy for those in work who cannot make ends meet but this is the reality. It's going to be a long hard winter and but there is some personal responsibility to be borne by people.


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« Reply #333 on: September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM »
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the tanks against the $...

"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"

It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that sht they still need UC to survive..

We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
Im all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money theyre milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.

It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.

And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.

Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy

Yes o have sympathy for everyone  here . Those working and those not. Its criminal the cost of heating , fuel  etc.

But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youd  have to say  no . Its not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

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« Reply #334 on: September 23, 2022, 01:20:47 PM »
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.

The rise in NI was meant to pay for Social Care reform, that now either isn't happening (my bets on this one) or they're borrowing to fund it..

With the dropping vrs the $ then expect wholesale oil prices to go up and with that everything else...

We have no Gov in NI so we'll see no benefit from the Social Care reform. Scrapping the tax on something we'll not benefit from is welcomed in my view.

Oh, that's ok then....  ::)

I think people take out of the budget that's suits them and their income, It may not be the 'right' thing to say but I'm only in control of my family and if the budget suits then selfishly as it may sound it works (I'm all right jack)

The money has never been dished out fairly, by any government, how do you keep 70 million people happy?  Even when exposed the Tories have no morale's and will continue to do this, they have been in government for 12 years, they can't blame anyone but themselves for the continuous f**k ups, this isnt a previous governments problem they are fixing, the country voted them in and now they are suffering for it, and the dicks will vote them back in again

At this stage in life (for me) is about getting to the end line, staying employed for the next 12 years or more will be the target..
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

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« Reply #335 on: September 23, 2022, 01:21:43 PM »
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youd  have to say  no . Its not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.
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« Reply #336 on: September 23, 2022, 01:32:55 PM »
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youd  have to say  no . Its not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

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« Reply #337 on: September 23, 2022, 01:45:16 PM »
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youd  have to say  no . Its not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

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« Reply #338 on: September 23, 2022, 01:47:00 PM »
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the tanks against the $...

"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"

It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that sht they still need UC to survive..

We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
Im all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money theyre milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.

It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.

And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.

Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy

Yes o have sympathy for everyone  here . Those working and those not. Its criminal the cost of heating , fuel  etc.

But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youd  have to say  no . Its not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

I have zero sympathy for those that can work but choose not to work.
Choose being the key word here.

If they are struggling this winter why should they get assistance or indeed sympathy?

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« Reply #339 on: September 23, 2022, 02:04:21 PM »
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the tanks against the $...

"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"

It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that sht they still need UC to survive..

We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
Im all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money theyre milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.

It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.

And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.

Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy

Yes o have sympathy for everyone  here . Those working and those not. Its criminal the cost of heating , fuel  etc.

But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youd  have to say  no . Its not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
As Ive said before its a drop in the ocean compared to money being wasted/embezzled elsewhere but people who simply refuse to work should be getting nothing.

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« Reply #340 on: September 23, 2022, 02:18:26 PM »
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youd  have to say  no . Its not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was 8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or 2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was 7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is 205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here
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« Reply #341 on: September 23, 2022, 02:23:08 PM »
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youd  have to say  no . Its not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was 8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or 2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was 7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is 205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here

So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?

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« Reply #342 on: September 23, 2022, 02:33:19 PM »
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youd  have to say  no . Its not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was 8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or 2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was 7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is 205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here

So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?

Or a third the yearly cost of the Track and Trace process set up by Tory benefactor Dodi Harding, but look over there at the benefits cheat....


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« Reply #343 on: September 23, 2022, 02:38:16 PM »
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youd  have to say  no . Its not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was 8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or 2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was 7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is 205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here

So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?
Id be for taxing the absolute bejayus out of every penny the energy companies make and also introducing a price per unit cap thats affordable. But that doesnt mean it doesnt piss me off that Jimmy up the road is lying on his arse and earning as much as Mary next door who is working.

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« Reply #344 on: September 23, 2022, 02:39:18 PM »
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the tanks against the $...

"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"

It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that sht they still need UC to survive..

We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
Im all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money theyre milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.

It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.

And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.

Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy

Yes o have sympathy for everyone  here . Those working and those not. Its criminal the cost of heating , fuel  etc.

But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youd  have to say  no . Its not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

I have zero sympathy for those that can work but choose not to work.
Choose being the key word here.

If they are struggling this winter why should they get assistance or indeed sympathy?
Because it won't stop there
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