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Title: Cost Of Living
Post by: Olly on July 03, 2022, 05:55:36 AM
I can't afford anything any more and have started growing my own stuff, strawberries, cabbages,  milk, carrots, parsley and tomatoes. Is anyone else finding it tough?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: From the Bunker on July 03, 2022, 09:55:41 AM
I can't afford anything any more and have started growing my own stuff, strawberries, cabbages,  milk, carrots, parsley and tomatoes. Is anyone else finding it tough?

How's the growing Milk coming along?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 11:01:16 AM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: marty34 on July 03, 2022, 12:06:09 PM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.

Diesel is shocking. Can hardly see the needle moving when you put £50 in. Madness.

How do people do it if they're doing big miles every week?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 03, 2022, 12:33:58 PM
But why is the cost of diesel still increasing, dollar against the pound? War in Ukraine on going but u think cost stabilise as its on for the long term. Saudi, UAE making a killing here along with the govt with massive tax duty on diesel.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trileacman on July 03, 2022, 12:39:44 PM
But why is the cost of diesel still increasing, dollar against the pound?

Inflationary circle. Oil jumps because of a supply issue. Because oil is the foundation of our economy the whole economy starts inflating. Oil continues to inflate because other costs are increasing (wages, equipment, travel, rents, interest on borrowing). It continues until the crash.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 03, 2022, 12:47:20 PM
Supply and demand are evenly balanced. Take outvRussian oil and market is trŪna chťile
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 03, 2022, 01:00:57 PM
Inflation is worse in the UK including the occupied territories.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 01:30:37 PM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.

Diesel is shocking. Can hardly see the needle moving when you put £50 in. Madness.

How do people do it if they're doing big miles every week?

Doing 500 mile a week myself for work. Don't chat.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: marty34 on July 03, 2022, 01:35:21 PM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.

Diesel is shocking. Can hardly see the needle moving when you put £50 in. Madness.

How do people do it if they're doing big miles every week?

Doing 500 mile a week myself for work. Don't chat.

That's fierce Redhand88.

Some cost in that, never mind tipping about for yourself.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on July 03, 2022, 01:43:43 PM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.

Diesel is shocking. Can hardly see the needle moving when you put £50 in. Madness.

How do people do it if they're doing big miles every week?

Doing 500 mile a week myself for work. Don't chat.

That's fierce Redhand88.

Some cost in that, never mind tipping about for yourself.

I can get 60mpg in the car which helps a bit, but it's still costing £300 a month to keep on the road.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: nrico2006 on July 03, 2022, 02:50:13 PM
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Saffrongael on July 03, 2022, 02:59:58 PM
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?

Yeah but good luck waiting on them passing that on, RAC said the other day it should be 5/6p cheaper than it is. Quick to go up, slow to come down
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: nrico2006 on July 03, 2022, 04:13:58 PM
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?

Yeah but good luck waiting on them passing that on, RAC said the other day it should be 5/6p cheaper than it is. Quick to go up, slow to come down

Why are others countries more protest orientated than us, such as France. Its not like we aren't a nation of complainers. Surely at some point people need to rally against the government to significantly reduce the price of fuel, and not just by 5 or 10p.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2022, 04:26:10 PM
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?

Yeah but good luck waiting on them passing that on, RAC said the other day it should be 5/6p cheaper than it is. Quick to go up, slow to come down

Why are others countries more protest orientated than us, such as France. Its not like we aren't a nation of complainers. Surely at some point people need to rally against the government to significantly reduce the price of fuel, and not just by 5 or 10p.

France has traditionally been big on national protests
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on July 03, 2022, 04:32:33 PM
In the uk the right to protest is being taken away. Itís one of, and there are a few, the more sinister things the government is up to.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: clarshack on July 03, 2022, 04:50:09 PM
In the uk the right to protest is being taken away. Itís one of, and there are a few, the more sinister things the government is up to.

I keep hearing this will happen but it hasn't happened yet.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: clarshack on July 03, 2022, 04:53:26 PM
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?

Yeah but good luck waiting on them passing that on, RAC said the other day it should be 5/6p cheaper than it is. Quick to go up, slow to come down

Why are others countries more protest orientated than us, such as France. Its not like we aren't a nation of complainers. Surely at some point people need to rally against the government to significantly reduce the price of fuel, and not just by 5 or 10p.

I've said this before but people need to protest now because if they don't it will be £2.50 a litre
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: pbat on July 03, 2022, 04:59:45 PM
In the uk the right to protest is being taken away. Itís one of, and there are a few, the more sinister things the government is up to.

I keep hearing this will happen but it hasn't happened yet.

Not sure but did something pass parliament last week, see the lunatic that stands outside it with all the EU flags and loud speaker being confronted by a load of cops due to the new law. 
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: delgany on July 03, 2022, 05:25:04 PM
In the uk the right to protest is being taken away. Itís one of, and there are a few, the more sinister things the government is up to.

I keep hearing this will happen but it hasn't happened yet.

Not sure but did something pass parliament last week, see the lunatic that stands outside it with all the EU flags and loud speaker being confronted by a load of cops due to the new law.

A new law was passed in April to curb the level of noise at a protest !
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: WT4E on July 03, 2022, 10:25:14 PM
What about leasing an electric car is that a way to curb cost of motoring???
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Loughshore2022 on July 03, 2022, 10:41:19 PM
The government have been against fatties like me for years anyway. First it was the sugar tax on soft drinks, it is £1.77 for 1.5 litres of coke however the supermarkets often put Fanta on club card price. They even ruined Lucozade by changing their recipe to a lower sugar one, I tried putting sugar in Lucozade by spoon but it still didn't taste the same.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: toby47 on July 04, 2022, 08:32:51 AM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.

Diesel is shocking. Can hardly see the needle moving when you put £50 in. Madness.

How do people do it if they're doing big miles every week?

Doing 500 mile a week myself for work. Don't chat.

I feel your pain RH88. Currently doing about 450miles a week for work, then add in the extra miles in the evening & weekends. It's costing a fortune.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Armagh18 on July 04, 2022, 08:36:44 AM
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?

Yeah but good luck waiting on them passing that on, RAC said the other day it should be 5/6p cheaper than it is. Quick to go up, slow to come down

Why are others countries more protest orientated than us, such as France. Its not like we aren't a nation of complainers. Surely at some point people need to rally against the government to significantly reduce the price of fuel, and not just by 5 or 10p.

I've said this before but people need to protest now because if they don't it will be £2.50 a litre
Should have been protests when it hit £1. Youíre right itíll be £2.50 before we know it. Time to invest in an electric car it looks like
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 04, 2022, 10:50:13 AM
Has the price of a barrel not dropped lately?

Yeah but good luck waiting on them passing that on, RAC said the other day it should be 5/6p cheaper than it is. Quick to go up, slow to come down

Why are others countries more protest orientated than us, such as France. Its not like we aren't a nation of complainers. Surely at some point people need to rally against the government to significantly reduce the price of fuel, and not just by 5 or 10p.

I've said this before but people need to protest now because if they don't it will be £2.50 a litre
Should have been protests when it hit £1. Youíre right itíll be £2.50 before we know it. Time to invest in an electric car it looks like

It's not easy to find a new electric car. Inflation and the supply chain difficulties mean that production for this year is limited. If you do find one the savings on petrol/diesel are fantastic.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: TabClear on July 04, 2022, 10:52:17 AM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.

Diesel is shocking. Can hardly see the needle moving when you put £50 in. Madness.

How do people do it if they're doing big miles every week?




Doing 500 mile a week myself for work. Don't chat.

I feel your pain RH88. Currently doing about 450miles a week for work, then add in the extra miles in the evening & weekends. It's costing a fortune.


Those are serious commutes lads. I feel for you. The one good thing about lockdown was that my place got established into Work from Home and I am now 2 day a week maximum in the office. The extra time I have in the evenings, never mind the cost of the travel means I would seriously consider my options if I had to go back to 5 days a week on site. My diesel bill would be about £500 a month. If you gross it up and take into account wear and tear on the car its probably the equivalent of £10-12k on a salary.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: tonto1888 on July 04, 2022, 12:00:31 PM
Diesel is killing me. Price of groceries creeping up too.

Diesel is shocking. Can hardly see the needle moving when you put £50 in. Madness.

How do people do it if they're doing big miles every week?

Doing 500 mile a week myself for work. Don't chat.

I feel your pain RH88. Currently doing about 450miles a week for work, then add in the extra miles in the evening & weekends. It's costing a fortune.
Big time. Iím a bit behind you boys depending on my schedule. Iím in the next 6 days in a row. 70 mile round trip. Thatís before any of the other driving that needs doing. My diesel bill has sky rocketed
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on July 04, 2022, 01:00:44 PM
Wife was out in Belfast yesterday for dinner and drinks and said every place was absolutely heaving. 3 gin and tonic was 24quid. 3 burgers, 1 chip and 3 drinks in Bunsen was £42. Said it was packed at 9 on a Sunday night.
What cost of living crisis?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: marty34 on July 04, 2022, 01:11:40 PM
Wife was out in Belfast yesterday for dinner and drinks and said every place was absolutely heaving. 3 gin and tonic was 24quid. 3 burgers, 1 chip and 3 drinks in Bunsen was £42. Said it was packed at 9 on a Sunday night.
What cost of living crisis?

I know. It's like 2 extremes.

One of money is no object with big houses and jeeps with personalised  number plates while the other side is people thinking of how hard it'll be to pay heating bills and school uniforms etc.

There doesn't seem to be any middle ground!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: toby47 on July 04, 2022, 02:22:43 PM
Wife was out in Belfast yesterday for dinner and drinks and said every place was absolutely heaving. 3 gin and tonic was 24quid. 3 burgers, 1 chip and 3 drinks in Bunsen was £42. Said it was packed at 9 on a Sunday night.
What cost of living crisis?

A good bottle of Gin costs £25 and 500ml of Fever tree tonic costs £2 in Tesco, these bars are buying it in for far cheaper than that again. Bars are completely ripping us off at this stage & tbh there are more expensive spots in Belfast at the minute too. In the past few weeks i've been in 3-4 differnt bars in Belfast and paid different prices between £5.50-£6.50 for a pint which is insane for a city like Belfast.

I met a friend a few weeks back, we only had about an hour so met him in the Errigal on Ormeau road for a quick bite & a pint. Lasagne and a pint came to £21.25, couldn't believe it. I'm far from miserable & eat out in restaurants every couple of weeks but £15 for a slice of lasagne and a few chips is madness, then £6.25 for the pint.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on July 04, 2022, 02:24:58 PM
New spuds were £1 last year, now up to £1.50.

The price of fertiliser and diesel has a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: sensethetone on July 04, 2022, 02:42:17 PM
Saw Mint Aero cheese cake in a shop just outside Cookstown yesterday at £9.. was normal size, thought it a bit mad.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on July 04, 2022, 02:56:15 PM
Wife was out in Belfast yesterday for dinner and drinks and said every place was absolutely heaving. 3 gin and tonic was 24quid. 3 burgers, 1 chip and 3 drinks in Bunsen was £42. Said it was packed at 9 on a Sunday night.
What cost of living crisis?

I know. It's like 2 extremes.

One of money is no object with big houses and jeeps with personalised  number plates while the other side is people thinking of how hard it'll be to pay heating bills and school uniforms etc.

There doesn't seem to be any middle ground!

i would say a lot of this 'money no object' is debt
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 04, 2022, 02:59:28 PM
Saw Mint Aero cheese cake in a shop just outside Cookstown yesterday at £9.. was normal size, thought it a bit mad.

I think you can look at it in a few ways, certainly the cost of things are well over priced, and some items are essential. but you'll be doing yourself a favour in the long run by staying away from the mint Aero cake, same for the other things we bought when we could actually not bother with..

5 Filltes £6 in places.. there's at least 2 meals in that, a curry or stir fry
500 mince beef £5 quid in places.. pasta or burgers couple of meals
Spud, rice and veg, with your own curry powder/passata/stir in sauces

If you really looked at what you cook and what you end up throwing out its criminal... Kids are the worst for it, especially when the refuse to eat the same thing you have made! 
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 04, 2022, 03:02:17 PM
Wife was out in Belfast yesterday for dinner and drinks and said every place was absolutely heaving. 3 gin and tonic was 24quid. 3 burgers, 1 chip and 3 drinks in Bunsen was £42. Said it was packed at 9 on a Sunday night.
What cost of living crisis?

I know. It's like 2 extremes.

One of money is no object with big houses and jeeps with personalised  number plates while the other side is people thinking of how hard it'll be to pay heating bills and school uniforms etc.

There doesn't seem to be any middle ground!

i would say a lot of this 'money no object' is debt

If you have no mortgage, no car payments, or standard loans then you've no debt, other than that everyone has something they are paying off till you get to certain age.. Debt to me is your outgoings are more than your incomings
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Olly on July 04, 2022, 03:05:29 PM
The price of alcohol is atrocious but there's an easy way around it. Instead of going out and paying £20 for 2 gins, buy a bottle of gin a day and drink it at home. You might wake up with an unbelievable headache and other long term conditions but you'll be grinning from ear to ear at how much you saved compared to your loser neighbours and friends.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: tiempo on July 04, 2022, 03:05:34 PM
Saw Mint Aero cheese cake in a shop just outside Cookstown yesterday at £9.. was normal size, thought it a bit mad.

I think you can look at it in a few ways, certainly the cost of things are well over priced, and some items are essential. but you'll be doing yourself a favour in the long run by staying away from the mint Aero cake, same for the other things we bought when we could actually not bother with..

5 Filltes £6 in places.. there's at least 2 meals in that, a curry or stir fry
500 mince beef £5 quid in places.. pasta or burgers couple of meals
Spud, rice and veg, with your own curry powder/passata/stir in sauces

If you really looked at what you cook and what you end up throwing out its criminal... Kids are the worst for it, especially when the refuse to eat the same thing you have made!

Learning to cook is where its at, not only in terms of cost but also knowing what goes in, plus the satisfaction and taste of something homemade
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: sensethetone on July 04, 2022, 03:22:08 PM
Saw Mint Aero cheese cake in a shop just outside Cookstown yesterday at £9.. was normal size, thought it a bit mad.

I think you can look at it in a few ways, certainly the cost of things are well over priced, and some items are essential. but you'll be doing yourself a favour in the long run by staying away from the mint Aero cake, same for the other things we bought when we could actually not bother with..

5 Filltes £6 in places.. there's at least 2 meals in that, a curry or stir fry
500 mince beef £5 quid in places.. pasta or burgers couple of meals
Spud, rice and veg, with your own curry powder/passata/stir in sauces

If you really looked at what you cook and what you end up throwing out its criminal... Kids are the worst for it, especially when the refuse to eat the same thing you have made!

My mother would do some baking, she'd tell you it wouldn't pay but for the satisfaction of doing it.
Household budgets will get reviewed even more coming into the winter, might have to buy that £9 cheesecake for the freezer.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: markl121 on July 04, 2022, 04:45:01 PM
Work solely in the south nowadays and usually would work two weeks straight doing about 1000 mile or more a week  as a Locum round different spots. Fuel bill has doubled to the point where I converted an old van to sleep in some nights if im in a similar part of the world the next day. This combined with revenue not allowing any food or fuel expenses for independent contractors any more has made the fuel squeeze even worse. Its doable at the minute as the wages are good but this is usually a cyclical thing and come the winter less people will be off and sleeping in a camper van will not be as appealing.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: armaghniac on July 04, 2022, 04:56:12 PM
Saw Mint Aero cheese cake in a shop just outside Cookstown yesterday at £9.. was normal size, thought it a bit mad.

Quite mad, if you get a cheesecake at that price it should be made with After Eights and not fecking Mint Aero.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: sensethetone on July 05, 2022, 07:23:20 AM
Not enough ppl to pick fresh food from the fields and it's going to rot added to the farmers expecting this and planting less veg etc.

farmers are buying foreign produce to fulfil contracts. Food hasn't gotten to it's price peak yet.

 
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: tonto1888 on July 13, 2022, 08:52:37 AM
I see diesel has come down by a few pence per litre
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Itchy on July 13, 2022, 08:57:41 AM
I'm away on the hols in Spain, 154c a litre here which is significantly cheaper than Ireland. So it's not all inflation, its taxation too.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: onefineday on July 13, 2022, 09:05:48 AM
I'm away on the hols in Spain, 154c a litre here which is significantly cheaper than Ireland. So it's not all inflation, its taxation too.
There's a temporary govt rebate scheme of 20c per litre in place on fuel prices in Spain. The seller gets it directly, it runs from April to September.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: CiKe on July 13, 2022, 09:45:01 AM
I'm away on the hols in Spain, 154c a litre here which is significantly cheaper than Ireland. So it's not all inflation, its taxation too.
There's a temporary govt rebate scheme of 20c per litre in place on fuel prices in Spain. The seller gets it directly, it runs from April to September.

Where in Spain? Been paying between 2,06 and 2,14 for last month for diesel. Not seen below i'd say 1,85 in about three months or so. All these numbers before the 20cent rebate
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: snoopdog on July 13, 2022, 10:11:23 AM
I was in  Spain near salou in June and fuel was around the 2.10 2.15 Mark
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: armaghniac on July 13, 2022, 11:15:35 AM
I'm away on the hols in Spain, 154c a litre here which is significantly cheaper than Ireland. So it's not all inflation, its taxation too.

That seems cheap. Are you driving on the red as usual?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: gallsman on July 13, 2022, 11:41:43 AM
Yeah, would absolute love to know who's doing it for 1.54
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 13, 2022, 11:51:34 AM
I'm away on the hols in Spain, 154c a litre here which is significantly cheaper than Ireland. So it's not all inflation, its taxation too.

That seems cheap. Are you driving on the red as usual?

Gasoline Roja!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: onefineday on July 13, 2022, 12:49:08 PM
I'm away on the hols in Spain, 154c a litre here which is significantly cheaper than Ireland. So it's not all inflation, its taxation too.
There's a temporary govt rebate scheme of 20c per litre in place on fuel prices in Spain. The seller gets it directly, it runs from April to September.

Where in Spain? Been paying between 2,06 and 2,14 for last month for diesel. Not seen below i'd say 1,85 in about three months or so. All these numbers before the 20cent rebate
The subsidy is before you see the price afaik, so add 20c to get the actual price.
They've usually been higher priced than Ireland so was a bit surprised by that price. Rioja it is!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: toby47 on July 13, 2022, 02:26:54 PM
Didn't they do away with being able to buy red diesel there a few months ago?

Anyone still able to source some, what price is it at the minute?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 13, 2022, 02:28:56 PM
Didn't they do away with being able to buy red diesel there a few months ago?

Anyone still able to source some, what price is it at the minute?

Asking for a friend? who is a farmer?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: toby47 on July 13, 2022, 02:32:46 PM
Didn't they do away with being able to buy red diesel there a few months ago?

Anyone still able to source some, what price is it at the minute?

Asking for a friend? who is a farmer?

Lol.

Nah just wondering what the price is now that diesel is near £2 a litre.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: delgany on July 13, 2022, 03:11:37 PM
Didn't they do away with being able to buy red diesel there a few months ago?

Anyone still able to source some, what price is it at the minute?

Asking for a friend? who is a farmer?

Lol.

Nah just wondering what the price is now that diesel is near £2 a litre.

Its around £1
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 13, 2022, 03:38:24 PM
Saw a fella in a Passat parked tight against the red pump at the local shop the other day. There seemed to be plenty of space to park elsewhere if just calling in for the paper  ;)
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: armaghniac on July 13, 2022, 04:20:55 PM
Saw a fella in a Passat parked tight against the red pump at the local shop the other day. There seemed to be plenty of space to park elsewhere if just calling in for the paper  ;)

He just wanted to ensure that others wouldn't be tempted to use that pump.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: CiKe on July 13, 2022, 05:07:38 PM
I'm away on the hols in Spain, 154c a litre here which is significantly cheaper than Ireland. So it's not all inflation, its taxation too.
There's a temporary govt rebate scheme of 20c per litre in place on fuel prices in Spain. The seller gets it directly, it runs from April to September.

Where in Spain? Been paying between 2,06 and 2,14 for last month for diesel. Not seen below i'd say 1,85 in about three months or so. All these numbers before the 20cent rebate
The subsidy is before you see the price afaik, so add 20c to get the actual price.
They've usually been higher priced than Ireland so was a bit surprised by that price. Rioja it is!

No, if price displayed is Ä2.10 you end up paying Ä1.90 after benefitting from the subsidy. Receipt will say X litres @ 2.10 and then have subsidy line which is discounted.

In any case, despite their protestations I'm pretty sure the majority of the subsidy is just going into the petrol station operator's pockets. I'd say they will have a very good year....although I think initially at least they were basically being asked to give the subsidy at point-of-sale and then reclaim (which is one of the reasons I think most of it is going to them anyway because if they were to finance Ä0.2 a litre for real, I'd imagine they'd have some serious cash flow issues, so instead they just jack up the price)
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Itchy on July 13, 2022, 07:27:02 PM
Yeah, would absolute love to know who's doing it for 1.54

Canary Islands.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on July 13, 2022, 07:39:51 PM
Might be a mixture of price increase plus the summer holidays with the kids off but the electric has jumped up approx 40% per week!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Gmac on July 13, 2022, 07:52:07 PM
Dinner in Irvinestown last night 8 adults 6 kids most having 3 course meals the total bill without drinks 275 pounds
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 13, 2022, 08:01:05 PM
*with drinks £955 😉😃
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 08:33:02 PM
Dinner in Irvinestown last night 8 adults 6 kids most having 3 course meals the total bill without drinks 275 pounds

Was it a fancy sppt?

You'd think about £20 per adult per head plus £10 per child per head would cover that?

That's £220.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on July 13, 2022, 08:38:19 PM
Dinner in Irvinestown last night 8 adults 6 kids most having 3 course meals the total bill without drinks 275 pounds

Was it a fancy sppt?

You'd think about £20 per adult per head plus £10 per child per head would cover that?

That's £220.

Never getting an Adult 3-course meal for £20?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Gmac on July 13, 2022, 08:49:15 PM
Dinner in Irvinestown last night 8 adults 6 kids most having 3 course meals the total bill without drinks 275 pounds

Was it a fancy sppt?

You'd think about £20 per adult per head plus £10 per child per head would cover that?

That's £220.
not fancy at all an older hotel but only place that could take 14 the most expensive thing on menu was 26 pounds for a fillet steak
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 09:52:35 PM
Dinner in Irvinestown last night 8 adults 6 kids most having 3 course meals the total bill without drinks 275 pounds

Was it a fancy sppt?

You'd think about £20 per adult per head plus £10 per child per head would cover that?

That's £220.

Never getting an Adult 3-course meal for £20?

There's place that do 3 courses for £20 - starter, main course and dessert.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 13, 2022, 10:01:02 PM
Dinner in Irvinestown last night 8 adults 6 kids most having 3 course meals the total bill without drinks 275 pounds

Was it a fancy sppt?

You'd think about £20 per adult per head plus £10 per child per head would cover that?

That's £220.
not fancy at all an older hotel but only place that could take 14 the most expensive thing on menu was 26 pounds for a fillet steak

McMahons?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 13, 2022, 10:32:47 PM
14 people spending under 20 quid for three courses is grandÖ

In fairness one course is plenty, greedy shits
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fionntamhnach on July 13, 2022, 10:49:16 PM
Yeah, would absolute love to know who's doing it for 1.54

Canary Islands.

The Canaries have a special indirect taxation system separate from mainland Spain which might explain the lower-ish price of fuel on the islands.

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The islands, as an autonomous region of Spain, are in the European Union and the Schengen Area. They are in the European Union Customs Union but outside the VAT area. Instead of VAT there is a local Sales Tax (IGIC) which has a general rate of 7%, an increased tax rate of 13.5%, a reduced tax rate of 3% and a zero tax rate for certain basic need products and services. Consequently, some products are subject to additional VAT if being exported from the islands into mainland Spain or the rest of the EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Islands#Economy_and_environment
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Gmac on July 13, 2022, 11:04:10 PM
Dinner in Irvinestown last night 8 adults 6 kids most having 3 course meals the total bill without drinks 275 pounds

Was it a fancy sppt?

You'd think about £20 per adult per head plus £10 per child per head would cover that?

That's £220.
not fancy at all an older hotel but only place that could take 14 the most expensive thing on menu was 26 pounds for a fillet steak

McMahons?
mahons
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Hoof Hearted on July 14, 2022, 09:40:31 PM
Local place here doing diesel for 1.88
That's OK isn't it ?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Hoof Hearted on July 14, 2022, 09:45:44 PM
Local place here doing diesel for 1.88
That's OK isn't it ?
Is it OK?
No, itís fcukin extortionate but it is cheaper than most other places.

That's what I meant, relatively speaking is it OK
I know its extortionate
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Square Ball on July 14, 2022, 10:07:52 PM
So, are we in the six getting £400 per household to cope with the increase? If so no doubt by the time we get it the prices will have went up a further 30% at least.
 
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2022, 10:17:00 PM
So, are we in the six getting £400 per household to cope with the increase? If so no doubt by the time we get it the prices will have went up a further 30% at least.

Surely only people that actually need it will be getting it? Any family group earning a certain level wonít be getting it?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Square Ball on July 14, 2022, 10:36:35 PM
So, are we in the six getting £400 per household to cope with the increase? If so no doubt by the time we get it the prices will have went up a further 30% at least.

Surely only people that actually need it will be getting it? Any family group earning a certain level wonít be getting it?

Near sure I read that all households connected to the grid will be getting £400, mind you I would be surprised that we won't get it because we don't have a government
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: clarshack on July 14, 2022, 10:40:10 PM
Annagher in Coalisland been £1.79 for petrol this last week.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on July 15, 2022, 06:42:00 AM
So, are we in the six getting £400 per household to cope with the increase? If so no doubt by the time we get it the prices will have went up a further 30% at least.

Surely only people that actually need it will be getting it? Any family group earning a certain level wonít be getting it?

Near sure I read that all households connected to the grid will be getting £400, mind you I would be surprised that we won't get it because we don't have a government

Every household gets it but yes you are right, it's not coming initially due to no government. They are trying to figure out how to dish it out without Stormont.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on July 15, 2022, 07:54:53 AM
So, are we in the six getting £400 per household to cope with the increase? If so no doubt by the time we get it the prices will have went up a further 30% at least.

Surely only people that actually need it will be getting it? Any family group earning a certain level wonít be getting it?

Not means assessed I donít think.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: toby47 on July 15, 2022, 08:26:43 AM
Annagher in Coalisland been £1.79 for petrol this last week.

£1.88 for diesel is the cheapest i've seen this week. Still seeing some places £1.99
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2022, 08:57:20 AM
So, are we in the six getting £400 per household to cope with the increase? If so no doubt by the time we get it the prices will have went up a further 30% at least.

Surely only people that actually need it will be getting it? Any family group earning a certain level wonít be getting it?

Not means assessed I donít think.

Do you need it? That's the question
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on July 15, 2022, 08:59:52 AM
Is it not meant to be a loan?

It should only be given to people who need it but I suspect it's too much effort to work that out.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 15, 2022, 09:31:09 AM
I don't think it's a loan. One of payment to everyone with an additional 600 potentially means tested. Or at least that was my understanding of it at the time.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Square Ball on July 15, 2022, 09:57:02 AM
So, are we in the six getting £400 per household to cope with the increase? If so no doubt by the time we get it the prices will have went up a further 30% at least.

Surely only people that actually need it will be getting it? Any family group earning a certain level wonít be getting it?

Not means assessed I donít think.

Do you need it? That's the question
If my bills are increasing the way they have been and are expected to, yes as that will be 2 months electric and gas paid for. I doubt if many will return it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62155378.amp
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Saffrongael on July 15, 2022, 10:03:30 AM
Is it not meant to be a loan?

It should only be given to people who need it but I suspect it's too much effort to work that out.

Itís not a loan and it will be off your electric bill
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2022, 10:58:33 AM
Is it not meant to be a loan?

It should only be given to people who need it but I suspect it's too much effort to work that out.

Itís not a loan and it will be off your electric bill

So the money will be directly sent to your electrical providing company?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: clarshack on July 15, 2022, 11:49:04 AM
I thought I had read that every household would be getting the £400 in the autumn, but I was talking to someone from Power NI and they said that not everybody will be getting it. If true, those creaming the benefits system really are on the pigs back.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on July 15, 2022, 11:56:37 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61592496 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61592496)

That I think covers it.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2022, 12:39:26 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61592496 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61592496)

That I think covers it.

Students not on that list?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on July 15, 2022, 01:31:10 PM
Wages will go up. Get into your employer and ask for more money. If they refuse go out and get a new job. That is the only way to beat the cost of living crisis.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Mourne Red on July 15, 2022, 01:41:24 PM
If you c an, fill up the oil before the payment of £400 comes in.. Scummy bastards will increase prices as soon as the first penny hits someoneís account
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Saffrongael on July 15, 2022, 01:45:38 PM
If you c an, fill up the oil before the payment of £400 comes in.. Scummy bastards will increase prices as soon as the first penny hits someoneís account

Itís specifically for electricity I think
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: toby47 on July 17, 2022, 11:49:39 AM
£1.71 diesel. Derry/Donegal border
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Ghost on July 17, 2022, 11:54:19 AM
Any particular reason for the diesel coming down now and can we expect it to go up again anytime soon?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: screenexile on July 28, 2022, 09:03:56 AM
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Oil and gas companies announcing vast profits in 2nd quarter, Apr-Jun:
Shell: £9.5bn
TotalEnergies: £4.5bn
Equinor: £14.5bn

This is one quarter Jesus Christ!!!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 10:42:41 AM
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Oil and gas companies announcing vast profits in 2nd quarter, Apr-Jun:
Shell: £9.5bn
TotalEnergies: £4.5bn
Equinor: £14.5bn

This is one quarter Jesus Christ!!!

And they want us to pay nearly £500 of energy bills in Jan? They aint even embarrassed about it
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Franko on July 28, 2022, 01:46:15 PM
And you can be certain that those figures are the absolute minimum they can get away with declaring

But somehow a windfall tax on this is unworkable as it would discourage businesses from investing

Belongs in the WTF thread to be honest
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Eire90 on July 28, 2022, 03:34:37 PM
Supermac's boss Pat McDonagh 'concerned' about potential food shortages and urges people to buy 'long-life food'
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on July 28, 2022, 04:24:00 PM
Quote
Oil and gas companies announcing vast profits in 2nd quarter, Apr-Jun:
Shell: £9.5bn
TotalEnergies: £4.5bn
Equinor: £14.5bn

This is one quarter Jesus Christ!!!

And they want us to pay nearly £500 of energy bills in Jan? They aint even embarrassed about it

These oil companies are riding the hole of us all. They expect us to believe their margins are being squeezed but yet here they are recording record profits at a time when many people are struggling.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on July 28, 2022, 06:33:12 PM
So energy prices in the uk are to go up 77% in October and more in January. Thatís not going to go down well (this is uk)
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 28, 2022, 09:04:04 PM
https://monthlyreview.org/2011/03/01/structural-crisis-in-the-world-system/

The primary characteristic of a structural crisis is chaos.
A secondary characteristic is the 6 in a row
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 28, 2022, 09:51:40 PM
Honestly last time I mind money talked about in such a way in relation to normal day to day commodities was the early 80s. People starting to feel the pinch, a winter of discontent beckons. My advice get a job change now if you can that will bump you up for a buffer-easier said than done
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Gmac on July 28, 2022, 10:51:02 PM
Quote
Oil and gas companies announcing vast profits in 2nd quarter, Apr-Jun:
Shell: £9.5bn
TotalEnergies: £4.5bn
Equinor: £14.5bn

This is one quarter Jesus Christ!!!

And they want us to pay nearly £500 of energy bills in Jan? They aint even embarrassed about it

These oil companies are riding the hole of us all. They expect us to believe their margins are being squeezed but yet here they are recording record profits at a time when many people are struggling.
the tech companies cleaned up in 20/21 so did Amazon and the pharmaceutical companies now itís oil companies turn , crisis after crisis all man made all easily avoidable and the suckers keep paying the price .
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 09:16:51 AM
Bord Gais...who have raised prices twice this year...

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2022/07/28/operating-profits-at-bord-gais-climb-74-in-first-half-of-2022/

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on July 29, 2022, 09:21:21 AM
Profits basically up ~400% in 6 months. Jesus H Christ.

I don't understand why that has happened so dramatically this year and hasn't been a steady climb over years. Like why the big bang? Is it because they are using the war in ukraine as a smoke screen to up prices?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 09:24:35 AM
Profits basically up ~400% in 6 months. Jesus H Christ.

I don't understand why that has happened so dramatically this year and hasn't been a steady climb over years. Like why the big bang? Is it because they are using the war in ukraine as a smoke screen to up prices?

So when the war is over, what will they use then? The Pandemic, or Brexit or climate change? These prices profits will only keep going, its like they are getting ready for when this type of fuel will be less used and they are raking it in while they can
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on July 29, 2022, 09:26:51 AM
There will be a trade off point because it could reach a point that so few will be able to afford they can't get their profits. Note in that article about the number of customers yet to pay.

I still believe there is going to be significant unrest coming over this winter. A lot of people can't afford to live if they have to heat the house. What if we get a harsh winter?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 09:41:13 AM
There will be a trade off point because it could reach a point that so few will be able to afford they can't get their profits. Note in that article about the number of customers yet to pay.

I still believe there is going to be significant unrest coming over this winter. A lot of people can't afford to live if they have to heat the house. What if we get a harsh winter?

Yeah, its not looking great, up to this point Ive never really worried about heating the house of upping the thermostat if required...

Now I'm looking at fixing some of the double glazing windows which are not closing properly, getting the boiler changed, turning the thermostat down, getting thicker quilts and using the fire more often

Have been looking at my shopping bills and trying to reduce them, and will sit down and look at my payments going out for certain things... Netflix and those things...

We are pretty lucky with decent jobs so I can't think what its like with someone on minimum wage
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 29, 2022, 09:45:56 AM
There will be a trade off point because it could reach a point that so few will be able to afford they can't get their profits. Note in that article about the number of customers yet to pay.

I still believe there is going to be significant unrest coming over this winter. A lot of people can't afford to live if they have to heat the house. What if we get a harsh winter?

Yeah, its not looking great, up to this point Ive never really worried about heating the house of upping the thermostat if required...

Now I'm looking at fixing some of the double glazing windows which are not closing properly, getting the boiler changed, turning the thermostat down, getting thicker quilts and using the fire more often

Have been looking at my shopping bills and trying to reduce them, and will sit down and look at my payments going out for certain things... Netflix and those things...

We are pretty lucky with decent jobs so I can't think what its like with someone on minimum wage

Its pretty grim id say
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on July 29, 2022, 09:46:09 AM
Yeah I really feel for some people and tbh have definitely upped giving to food banks etc. To think that people are in jobs and have to go to food banks is ludicrous.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: CiKe on July 29, 2022, 10:08:09 AM
In relation to talk of heating crises in winter, are we going over the top? Be rare enough in Ireland to go much below 0ļ.

Now I am not trying to downplay things, it sure as hell aint ideal and won't be comfortable and might be downright uncomfortable for some, particularly OAPs. But I'd say 99% of homes were colder when we were kids and you'd have thrown on thick blankets or another jumper etc to stay warm and you' be more or less grand. What we have come through the last few years, in some ways I'd be a bit surprised if the majority weren't sort of able to take it reasonably in our stride.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: tiempo on July 29, 2022, 10:17:50 AM
Wouldn't want to walk a mile in the shoes of a person or family that couldn't afford to put the heating on in the middle of winter, we've adapted to some serious home comforts, the psychological impact of poverty must be so damaging, these macro-economic decisions are taken for a reason, models for optimised profiteering have been devised and are in play at all times
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 10:56:07 AM
In relation to talk of heating crises in winter, are we going over the top? Be rare enough in Ireland to go much below 0ļ.

Now I am not trying to downplay things, it sure as hell aint ideal and won't be comfortable and might be downright uncomfortable for some, particularly OAPs. But I'd say 99% of homes were colder when we were kids and you'd have thrown on thick blankets or another jumper etc to stay warm and you' be more or less grand. What we have come through the last few years, in some ways I'd be a bit surprised if the majority weren't sort of able to take it reasonably in our stride.

I'd say that is true, I grew up in a house that didnt have central heating and when we did get it my mum and dad had more kids so we were put up into a converted attic, now when I say converted I just mean the sides closed off lino put down papered and three beds shoved into whatever space was left, no quilts in those days just your American native bed blankets, winter was freezing so sleeping undercovers was essential or wearing a hat lol!!

Ah the craic was mighty lol
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: CiKe on July 29, 2022, 11:13:08 AM
In relation to talk of heating crises in winter, are we going over the top? Be rare enough in Ireland to go much below 0ļ.

Now I am not trying to downplay things, it sure as hell aint ideal and won't be comfortable and might be downright uncomfortable for some, particularly OAPs. But I'd say 99% of homes were colder when we were kids and you'd have thrown on thick blankets or another jumper etc to stay warm and you' be more or less grand. What we have come through the last few years, in some ways I'd be a bit surprised if the majority weren't sort of able to take it reasonably in our stride.

I'd say that is true, I grew up in a house that didnt have central heating and when we did get it my mum and dad had more kids so we were put up into a converted attic, now when I say converted I just mean the sides closed off lino put down papered and three beds shoved into whatever space was left, no quilts in those days just your American native bed blankets, winter was freezing so sleeping undercovers was essential or wearing a hat lol!!

Ah the craic was mighty lol

I still remember the itchy bloody blankets from the grandparents place where we were three to a bed. Don't see them much anymore, kept you warm though. Hot water bottles also par for the course.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: marty34 on July 29, 2022, 11:19:21 AM
Maybe people not as hardy these days.

Long ago, you saw the houses your grandparents lived in and nowhere near the same heating systems or luxuries etc. but they just got on with it.  I suppose they knew no better.  Hardy lads and lassies.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: tiempo on July 29, 2022, 11:27:06 AM
Maybe people not as hardy these days.

Long ago, you saw the houses your grandparents lived in and nowhere near the same heating systems or luxuries etc. but they just got on with it.  I suppose they knew no better.  Hardy lads and lassies.

And then take a jaunt back to their forefathers and so on, doesn't bare thinking about.

In a historical context anyone living within reasonable means by todays standards is in the top 0.0000000000001% (and then some) to have ever lived, one to bear in mind the odd time

Any sort of dystopian unravelling and 99% of us wouldn't last the week, and I include put myself at the front of that queue
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Franko on July 29, 2022, 12:13:25 PM
Maybe people not as hardy these days.

Long ago, you saw the houses your grandparents lived in and nowhere near the same heating systems or luxuries etc. but they just got on with it.  I suppose they knew no better.  Hardy lads and lassies.

And then take a jaunt back to their forefathers and so on, doesn't bare thinking about.

In a historical context anyone living within reasonable means by todays standards is in the top 0.0000000000001% (and then some) to have ever lived, one to bear in mind the odd time

Any sort of dystopian unravelling and 99% of us wouldn't last the week, and I include put myself at the front of that queue

Agree with these observations... but the logical conclusion of this sort of argument is that unless we are living in caves and shooting wild animals with bows and arrows, we shouldn't complain...

Our ancestors were fit to do it, so why can't we just get on with it?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 29, 2022, 12:39:51 PM
In my father's time in the Bogside it was everyone in the same bed with coats thrown on top of blankets . Ice on inside of windows, 2-3 families in some houses. But I'm pretty sure was like this in loads of places .

Now it's our own ripping off the young ones in Belfast around holylands etc. Crooked landlords
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: marty34 on July 29, 2022, 12:59:01 PM
Lads, it's all about me these days.

The big jeeps with the personalised plates and the big gated houses in the country!

Two or three holidays a year etc.

How times have changed.   Have people changed?

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Taylor on July 29, 2022, 01:13:08 PM
Lads, it's all about me these days.

The big jeeps with the personalised plates and the big gated houses in the country!

Two or three holidays a year etc.

How times have changed.   Have people changed?

Unfortunately I am not part of that crew however what is wrong with it?

If people have made good for themselves and are able to afford all of the above then I dont see the issue.

Is it typical Irish begrudgery
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 29, 2022, 01:24:32 PM
There will be a trade off point because it could reach a point that so few will be able to afford they can't get their profits. Note in that article about the number of customers yet to pay.

I still believe there is going to be significant unrest coming over this winter. A lot of people can't afford to live if they have to heat the house. What if we get a harsh winter?

Yeah, its not looking great, up to this point Ive never really worried about heating the house of upping the thermostat if required...

Now I'm looking at fixing some of the double glazing windows which are not closing properly, getting the boiler changed, turning the thermostat down, getting thicker quilts and using the fire more often

Have been looking at my shopping bills and trying to reduce them, and will sit down and look at my payments going out for certain things... Netflix and those things...

We are pretty lucky with decent jobs so I can't think what its like with someone on minimum wage

Its pretty grim id say
18% of people in the North are at that level.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Kidder81 on July 29, 2022, 05:20:56 PM
Some people donít want to go without though, they want the nights out, clothes, boozes etc. hard choices for all families now but unfortunately some people see energy costs down the priority list and want it all handed to them
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: marty34 on July 29, 2022, 05:35:38 PM
Lads, it's all about me these days.

The big jeeps with the personalised plates and the big gated houses in the country!

Two or three holidays a year etc.

How times have changed.   Have people changed?

Unfortunately I am not part of that crew however what is wrong with it?

If people have made good for themselves and are able to afford all of the above then I dont see the issue.

Is it typical Irish begrudgery

Not really.

Just my opinion that there's less sense of community these days - mostly about me.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: thewobbler on July 29, 2022, 05:39:51 PM
Some people donít want to go without though, they want the nights out, clothes, boozes etc. hard choices for all families now but unfortunately some people see energy costs down the priority list and want it all handed to them

This is the attitude my younger self would have taken.

But hereís where Iíve got to. I donít want to part of a society in which those who take on vocational careers like police, firefighters, teaches, carers, and medical professionals, cannot make ends meet.

Thatís the world now. Itís a shitshow.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 29, 2022, 05:48:41 PM
Some people donít want to go without though, they want the nights out, clothes, boozes etc. hard choices for all families now but unfortunately some people see energy costs down the priority list and want it all handed to them

This is the attitude my younger self would have taken.

But hereís where Iíve got to. I donít want to part of a society in which those who take on vocational careers like police, firefighters, teaches, carers, and medical professionals, cannot make ends meet.

Thatís the world now. Itís a shitshow.
The point remains valid - people give themselves a better chance of making ends meet if they adjust their lifestyle accordingly. Also, apart from carers all of those occupations have a wide range of salaries. My sympathy lies with a carer over a doctor.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Eire90 on July 29, 2022, 05:54:24 PM
i doubt it think we live in era where politicians and energy barons laugh in peoples faces and then say what you going to about it
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Eire90 on July 29, 2022, 05:56:52 PM
i agree holiday culture is a a problem people going on holidays just for social media clout
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: thebigfella on July 29, 2022, 06:25:13 PM
i agree holiday culture is a a problem people going on holidays just for social media clout

Who goes on holidays for social media clout, ffs.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 06:35:23 PM
There has always and will always be people with funds to go off on more than one holiday, drive a nice car and so on. The problem now is that many people who would have what is considered a decent job are living month to month.

There is going to be an awful shitshow in Dublin in 20 years when those who could not get a mortgage retire and can't pay the mad rents. But, it's what we signed up for by voting in FF and FG all those years.

There are 300 or so apartments beside me that were build to rent and are 2100 for a one-bed. And so, when other apartments come up now, the small time landlords look at those prices and ramp it all up.

The REITs, the energy companies and so on need to be hit with a windfall tax.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 29, 2022, 06:47:38 PM
There has always and will always be people with funds to go off on more than one holiday, drive a nice car and so on. The problem now is that many people who would have what is considered a decent job are living month to month.

There is going to be an awful shitshow in Dublin in 20 years when those who could not get a mortgage retire and can't pay the mad rents. But, it's what we signed up for by voting in FF and FG all those years.

There are 300 or so apartments beside me that were build to rent and are 2100 for a one-bed. And so, when other apartments come up now, the small time landlords look at those prices and ramp it all up.

The REITs, the energy companies and so on need to be hit with a windfall tax.
The economic system will probably have changed in 20 years. Houses will be affordable.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 29, 2022, 06:48:30 PM
There has always and will always be people with funds to go off on more than one holiday, drive a nice car and so on. The problem now is that many people who would have what is considered a decent job are living month to month.

There is going to be an awful shitshow in Dublin in 20 years when those who could not get a mortgage retire and can't pay the mad rents. But, it's what we signed up for by voting in FF and FG all those years.

There are 300 or so apartments beside me that were build to rent and are 2100 for a one-bed. And so, when other apartments come up now, the small time landlords look at those prices and ramp it all up.

The REITs, the energy companies and so on need to be hit with a windfall tax.

You do realise it's the exact same up North. Dup/SF shitshow
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Captain Scarlet on July 29, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.

That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 29, 2022, 07:16:34 PM
What will make people angry enough to force change ? The system doesn't work for the vast majority of people now.
For me a great example is the Irish Independent. The company is loyal to the system that destroyed it. Google and FB run the ads now.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: nrico2006 on July 29, 2022, 07:34:46 PM
Lads, it's all about me these days.

The big jeeps with the personalised plates and the big gated houses in the country!

Two or three holidays a year etc.

How times have changed.   Have people changed?

Unfortunately I am not part of that crew however what is wrong with it?

If people have made good for themselves and are able to afford all of the above then I dont see the issue.

Is it typical Irish begrudgery

Not really.

Just my opinion that there's less sense of community these days - mostly about me.

Who else should it be about? We all want to do as well as we can for ourselves/family - if not for 'me', who you meant to do it for?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 29, 2022, 07:45:08 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.

That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.

It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 29, 2022, 08:31:29 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.

That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.

It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps

Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 29, 2022, 11:28:52 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.

That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.

It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps

Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?

Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: thewobbler on July 29, 2022, 11:35:16 PM
Some people donít want to go without though, they want the nights out, clothes, boozes etc. hard choices for all families now but unfortunately some people see energy costs down the priority list and want it all handed to them

This is the attitude my younger self would have taken.

But hereís where Iíve got to. I donít want to part of a society in which those who take on vocational careers like police, firefighters, teaches, carers, and medical professionals, cannot make ends meet.

Thatís the world now. Itís a shitshow.
The point remains valid - people give themselves a better chance of making ends meet if they adjust their lifestyle accordingly. Also, apart from carers all of those occupations have a wide range of salaries. My sympathy lies with a carer over a doctor.

I would disagree.

Itís only natural that when a generation sees something as a luxury, the next generation will see it as a treat and the next generation see it as normal. Thatís capitalism in action.

In 2022 Ireland/UK, when youíve got 2 x breadwinners in a household, contributing their bit to society, behaving as the ďmiddle classĒ should, it is both trite and condescending to suggest they should be lucky to have a roof over their head. This isnít the 1920s. Out forefathers didnít work hard, evolve, adapt and continually force us all through education so we could gather around a stove and eat potato soup.

Luxuries arenít a birth right. But if working hard doesnít allow some freedom, then why bother?

óó

The single biggest problem with the western world isnt the energy crisis that will be solved eventually. Itís that shelter is seen as a commodity, and not a human need.

I have long said thereís an easy fix to this. 100% capital gains tax on second (and beyond) properties, after allowing for inflation. You want to make a truckload of money? Go out and earn it. Just donít do it in such a way that it fucks everyone else up.



Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 12:30:29 AM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.

That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.

It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps

Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?

Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own

More fool paying it.. my daughter is in Belfast £240 a monthÖ Wesley Avenue.. Holylands should be at the very most £150
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: angermanagement on July 30, 2022, 12:44:35 AM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.

That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.

It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps

Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?

Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own

There's no parent in their right mind would pay £700 a month for a room in the Holylands. A quick search on Property Pal, there is not one room for rent near £700 a month. BS
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: marty34 on July 30, 2022, 08:41:24 AM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.

That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.

It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps

Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?

Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own

There's no parent in their right mind would pay £700 a month for a room in the Holylands. A quick search on Property Pal, there is not one room for rent near £700 a month. BS

Ah now, Fear wouldn't be prone to waffling a bit.  8)

What price are all the big new student blocks beside the UU in the city centre in Belfast?

Seems to be a concerted move to get students away from the Holylands.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 09:15:49 AM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.

That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.

It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps

Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?

Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own

There's no parent in their right mind would pay £700 a month for a room in the Holylands. A quick search on Property Pal, there is not one room for rent near £700 a month. BS

Sorry my bad, absolutely correct its for 3 bed house. I have never paid a penny , my wains always stood on their own feet.

The houses are a disgrace , away away above what you'd pay for a good mortgage . It's a trap that the young ones can't get out of as they can't set aside enough to get deposit for mortgage.

But the houses are not up to standard at all and holylands and further afield is awash with crooks and in some cases bully boy landlords
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 09:16:51 AM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.

That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.

It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps

Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?

Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own

More fool paying it.. my daughter is in Belfast £240 a monthÖ Wesley Avenue.. Holylands should be at the very most £150

Get her back to your gaff and tell her to set that aside for the future
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 09:18:23 AM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.

That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.

It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps

Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?

Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own

There's no parent in their right mind would pay £700 a month for a room in the Holylands. A quick search on Property Pal, there is not one room for rent near £700 a month. BS

Ah now, Fear wouldn't be prone to waffling a bit.  8)

What price are all the big new student blocks beside the UU in the city centre in Belfast?

Seems to be a concerted move to get students away from the Holylands.

Sorry I was misinformed.

Uu is a concerted move to further diminish Magee
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 09:18:43 AM
They want the experienceÖ. Iím lucky I can afford it, be tighter this year though, the youngest is moving to Manchester or LiverpoolÖ beans and toast for me never mind them
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 09:50:22 AM
I saw an ad for Truss on twitter saying that if you work hard she will support you.
I saw something else on twitter. Your current energy standard tariff £3239. 1 year fixed £6087.

This is called cognitive dissonance. How are people on the breadline supposed to cope ?

The North is like Scotland. No representation in Government. Stormont isn't even open.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 09:50:37 AM
They want the experienceÖ. Iím lucky I can afford it, be tighter this year though, the youngest is moving to Manchester or LiverpoolÖ beans and toast for me never mind them

Ach i know there is no talking to them , but you have to just go with the flow. What's your experience of properties outside the usual student haunts. Are they better standard?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 09:56:50 AM
Cost of living is a cross community issue in the Occupied Territories. Inflation does not benefit anyone.
Loyalists are ultra vulnerable. They always get the thin end of the wedge.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 30, 2022, 10:19:52 AM
They want the experienceÖ. Iím lucky I can afford it, be tighter this year though, the youngest is moving to Manchester or LiverpoolÖ beans and toast for me never mind them

Ach i know there is no talking to them , but you have to just go with the flow. What's your experience of properties outside the usual student haunts. Are they better standard?
There have always been kips in the student areas around the lower Lisburn Road/Tates Ave, off Botanic, upper Ormeau and even in Stranmillis. However, Stranmillis, Lisburn Road and upper Ormeau never underwent the same ghettoisation as the Holylands/Botanic. They are proper filthy dumps and this was mainly driven by unregulated conversion of houses into HMOs in an area not setup for it. If you go from 3 or 4 in a house with one rubbish bin in the back yard to 6 or 7 across 3 flats requiring 3 separate bins it's no wonder the place is stinking. That's not taking into account the increase in noise, parking issues as students all have their own cars now, anti-social behaviour etc.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 10:27:04 AM
Yes TB.

It's the unregulated conversation into HMOs that gripes me , I was off the mark there on the cost but I know there is massive abuse of young ones rights going on .

When I was there away back in the day we lived in a big converted " big house" on the Malone Road , it's knocked down now. The guy who from Lurgan turned 8 rooms into separate units for rent and one shared kitchen, that was 30 years ago but .it has got awful minging up around some of those areas now .
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: marty34 on July 30, 2022, 11:21:45 AM
They want the experienceÖ. Iím lucky I can afford it, be tighter this year though, the youngest is moving to Manchester or LiverpoolÖ beans and toast for me never mind them

Ach i know there is no talking to them , but you have to just go with the flow. What's your experience of properties outside the usual student haunts. Are they better standard?
There have always been kips in the student areas around the lower Lisburn Road/Tates Ave, off Botanic, upper Ormeau and even in Stranmillis. However, Stranmillis, Lisburn Road and upper Ormeau never underwent the same ghettoisation as the Holylands/Botanic. They are proper filthy dumps and this was mainly driven by unregulated conversion of houses into HMOs in an area not setup for it. If you go from 3 or 4 in a house with one rubbish bin in the back yard to 6 or 7 across 3 flats requiring 3 separate bins it's no wonder the place is stinking. That's not taking into account the increase in noise, parking issues as students all have their own cars now, anti-social behaviour etc.

Problem is students don't really want to go anywhere else but the Holylands area.

It's a rite of passage so to speak for their first couple of years. Away from home, beer and banter. Beside their mates etc.

#Holylandsornowhere
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 12:13:11 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/which-has-a-higher-standard-of-living-northern-ireland-or-the-republic-1.4540629
The Bergin-McGuinness study found that poverty rates were considerably higher in Northern Ireland. Based on a poverty line of below 60 per cent of average household income, 15.9 per cent of individuals in the Republic were found to be at risk of relative poverty compared to 23.8 per cent in Northern Ireland.

Inflation will push that number above 1 in 4.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 12:35:16 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/which-has-a-higher-standard-of-living-northern-ireland-or-the-republic-1.4540629
The Bergin-McGuinness study found that poverty rates were considerably higher in Northern Ireland. Based on a poverty line of below 60 per cent of average household income, 15.9 per cent of individuals in the Republic were found to be at risk of relative poverty compared to 23.8 per cent in Northern Ireland.

Inflation will push that number above 1 in 4.

No surprise. We have fallen well behind Republic now. I wouldn't work in North again if I can avoid it
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: charlieTully on July 30, 2022, 01:35:33 PM
Cost of living is a cross community issue in the Occupied Territories. Inflation does not benefit anyone.
Loyalists are ultra vulnerable. They always get the thin end of the wedge.
 

I like you sea but you talk some shite.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on July 30, 2022, 01:38:17 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/which-has-a-higher-standard-of-living-northern-ireland-or-the-republic-1.4540629
The Bergin-McGuinness study found that poverty rates were considerably higher in Northern Ireland. Based on a poverty line of below 60 per cent of average household income, 15.9 per cent of individuals in the Republic were found to be at risk of relative poverty compared to 23.8 per cent in Northern Ireland.

Inflation will push that number above 1 in 4.



No surprise. We have fallen well behind Republic now. I wouldn't work in North again if I can avoid it

Why would it matter if you got the same money and lived in the same place?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 01:47:07 PM
What is the point of NI if it is poorer than the South?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 02:07:37 PM
What is the point of NI if it is poorer than the South?

Itís tough up here, seems fine though in the south

Food banks in the south of Ireland

The main distributor of food through food banks in the south of Ireland is the charity Crosscare based in Dublin.  Crosscare has operated a food distribution warehouse since 1989 which has supplied food to charities such as St Vincent de Paul, Dublin Simon, Focus Ireland and its own centres for the homeless.  Given the worsening economic situation in Ireland and increasing demand for emergency food aid, Crosscare established four new community food banks in Blanchardstown, Bray, Swords and Tallaght.  Crosscare estimates that 60 families per week receive support from each food bank and has plans to open more food banks in Carlow and Cork.  In 2013, Crosscare distributed 450 tonnes of redistributed food providing over 180,000 meals based on the calculation that 1 tonne supplies 400 meals.  This surplus food is supplied by manufacturers, retailers and distributors and much of it is normally used as animal feed by pig farmers and has been diverted to families in need.

Additional providers of emergency food aid in the south of Ireland include Twist Soup Kitchen Ireland which have opened premises in Athlone, Galway, Roscommon, Sligo and Tuam which are collectively feeding 300 people daily.  The Capuchin Day Centre run by the Franciscan Order provides nearly 600 meals a day six days a week as well as distributing 1,200 food parcels weekly.  The food poverty charity, Healthy Food for All, estimates that one in ten people are living in food poverty in Ireland which is defined as Ďthe inability to have an adequate and nutritious diet due to issues of affordability and access to food with related impacts on health, culture and social participationĒ.  A common message beating out from all of these charities and community groups is that the pressure on their services is growing as the economic recession deepens.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on July 30, 2022, 02:08:28 PM
I refer you to Charlieís point  ;D It doesnít matter how poor or rich you are. The union ;D
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 02:19:58 PM
These are the people who will be most impacted by inflation

https://www.nisra.gov.uk/sites/nisra.gov.uk/files/publications/NIMDM17-%20with%20ns.pdf
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 02:25:11 PM
Who has time to read 32 pages? Christ, your a laugh. Face it people are in the shit no mater where you live
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: LC on July 30, 2022, 02:34:08 PM
I think there is a serious shock coming for people in the next few months as I believe that on the face of it a lot of people are living above their means.  When I drop my kids off at school or take them to one of their matches once you take out the Audis, BMWs, Volvo and other 4 x 4s out of it there would not be many vehicles left.  Young professionals buying their first home are paying more for their property and carrying more student debt yet starting salaries have not changed substantially.  Once the first child comes then creche etc kicks in and that is not cheap.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on July 30, 2022, 02:59:54 PM
Mortgages could be the problem. Handed out based on disposable income etc and now that will be shrank dramatically.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 03:26:59 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/which-has-a-higher-standard-of-living-northern-ireland-or-the-republic-1.4540629
The Bergin-McGuinness study found that poverty rates were considerably higher in Northern Ireland. Based on a poverty line of below 60 per cent of average household income, 15.9 per cent of individuals in the Republic were found to be at risk of relative poverty compared to 23.8 per cent in Northern Ireland.

Inflation will push that number above 1 in 4.



No surprise. We have fallen well behind Republic now. I wouldn't work in North again if I can avoid it

Why would it matter if you got the same money and lived in the same place?

I can't get the same money is my point and I'm near eligible now for state pension both sides of the border
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 03:56:29 PM
Who has time to read 32 pages? Christ, your a laugh. Face it people are in the shit no mater where you live
1. Rates of poverty are higher in the North
2. The North is more fragile. Knocknaheeney is unlikely to go over the top.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamKl-su8PE
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: armaghniac on July 30, 2022, 04:28:01 PM
Mortgages could be the problem. Handed out based on disposable income etc and now that will be shrank dramatically.

And of course variable interest rates will increase. However, post 2007 mortgages generally left some headroom, unlike the pre crash ones.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 04:46:33 PM
Mortgages could be the problem. Handed out based on disposable income etc and now that will be shrank dramatically.

And of course variable interest rates will increase. However, post 2007 mortgages generally left some headroom, unlike the pre crash ones.
Interest rates went over 15% in 1979/80 because of inflation. Set off a massive recession
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIh5dUOz824

Rates  also went to 13% in 2992 when Sterling left the ERM
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: JohnDenver on July 30, 2022, 07:53:42 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/which-has-a-higher-standard-of-living-northern-ireland-or-the-republic-1.4540629
The Bergin-McGuinness study found that poverty rates were considerably higher in Northern Ireland. Based on a poverty line of below 60 per cent of average household income, 15.9 per cent of individuals in the Republic were found to be at risk of relative poverty compared to 23.8 per cent in Northern Ireland.

Inflation will push that number above 1 in 4.



No surprise. We have fallen well behind Republic now. I wouldn't work in North again if I can avoid it

Why would it matter if you got the same money and lived in the same place?

I can't get the same money is my point and I'm near eligible now for state pension both sides of the border

Are you able to claim both pensions when you retire?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 08:35:59 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/which-has-a-higher-standard-of-living-northern-ireland-or-the-republic-1.4540629
The Bergin-McGuinness study found that poverty rates were considerably higher in Northern Ireland. Based on a poverty line of below 60 per cent of average household income, 15.9 per cent of individuals in the Republic were found to be at risk of relative poverty compared to 23.8 per cent in Northern Ireland.

Inflation will push that number above 1 in 4.



No surprise. We have fallen well behind Republic now. I wouldn't work in North again if I can avoid it

Why would it matter if you got the same money and lived in the same place?

I can't get the same money is my point and I'm near eligible now for state pension both sides of the border

Are you able to claim both pensions when you retire?

Apparently. I've to work 11 years in Republic first. I've not spent much time investigating it but all the oul lads in with us say that's the case
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 09:18:23 PM
Just checked with son there. Their house is £1600 per month.
 5 rooms @ £320 each . Stranmillis
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: clarshack on July 30, 2022, 09:21:07 PM
Just checked with son there. Their house is £1600 per month.
 5 rooms @ £320 each . Stranmillis

1 person per room?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: AustinPowers on July 30, 2022, 09:25:16 PM
If there is a group of billionaire  headcases that run the world (from the top of the Statue of Liberty according to the Simpsons)  and you were one of them......

What things would you do  to solve these supposed world problems?  (Eg. Growing population, climate change,  energy , feeding the world,  etc).......... while at the same time  making  as much money for yourself and your cronies  as Possible..........

The odds  are it would be something similar  to what is happening right now...... Would it not?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 30, 2022, 09:28:48 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/LBC/status/1553048656839860224
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Baile BrigŪn 2 on July 30, 2022, 09:31:18 PM
If there is a group of billionaire  headcases that run the world (from the top of the Statue of Liberty according to the Simpsons)  and you were one of them......

What things would you do  to solve these supposed world problems?  (Eg. Growing population, climate change,  energy , feeding the world,  etc).......... while at the same time  making  as much money for yourself and your cronies  as Possible..........

The odds  are it would be something similar  to what is happening right now...... Would it not?

Get people spending more on consumer goods. Which doesn't happen in a recession
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 30, 2022, 09:36:37 PM
Just checked with son there. Their house is £1600 per month.
 5 rooms @ £320 each . Stranmillis

1 person per room?

Yes . Daughter is 700 per month,also   2 people sharing 2 bed flat, I thought it was 3 bed house. Both only got keys this week
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: clarshack on July 30, 2022, 10:51:14 PM
If there is a group of billionaire  headcases that run the world (from the top of the Statue of Liberty according to the Simpsons)  and you were one of them......

What things would you do  to solve these supposed world problems?  (Eg. Growing population, climate change,  energy , feeding the world,  etc).......... while at the same time  making  as much money for yourself and your cronies  as Possible..........

The odds  are it would be something similar  to what is happening right now...... Would it not?

The World Economic Forum.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 10:59:26 PM
Just checked with son there. Their house is £1600 per month.
 5 rooms @ £320 each . Stranmillis

So not holylands? 
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Kidder81 on July 30, 2022, 11:12:17 PM
6 bed house in holylands £1980 a month  :o
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 11:48:53 PM
6 bed house in holylands £1980 a month  :o

My daughter has place last 2 years, en-suite £240 Wesley avenueÖ why are people paying that much?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Kidder81 on July 30, 2022, 11:50:55 PM
6 bed house in holylands £1980 a month  :o

My daughter has place last 2 years, en-suite £240 Wesley avenueÖ why are people paying that much?

Thereís obviously a demand for it
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 11:53:54 PM
6 bed house in holylands £1980 a month  :o

My daughter has place last 2 years, en-suite £240 Wesley avenueÖ why are people paying that much?

Thereís obviously a demand for it

Iíd say my daughters place is far better than the ones in HolylandsÖ crazy ones are paying that
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Kidder81 on July 31, 2022, 12:05:57 AM
6 bed house in holylands £1980 a month  :o

My daughter has place last 2 years, en-suite £240 Wesley avenueÖ why are people paying that much?

Thereís obviously a demand for it

Iíd say my daughters place is far better than the ones in HolylandsÖ crazy ones are paying that

£330 a month is hardly crazy is it ?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 31, 2022, 12:07:32 AM
Halls is £500 I suppose but Iíd rather live were my kid is than Holylands to be honest
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Eire90 on July 31, 2022, 12:45:48 AM
as long as the middle class are not starving then nothing will happen
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 31, 2022, 06:13:59 AM
6 bed house in holylands £1980 a month  :o

My daughter has place last 2 years, en-suite £240 Wesley avenueÖ why are people paying that much?

Thereís obviously a demand for it

Iíd say my daughters place is far better than the ones in HolylandsÖ crazy ones are paying that

£330 a month is hardly crazy is it ?

Per person it's robbery
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 31, 2022, 06:15:51 AM
Just checked with son there. Their house is £1600 per month.
 5 rooms @ £320 each . Stranmillis

So not holylands?

No,
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on July 31, 2022, 10:50:08 AM
https://m.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/rent-wars-london-studio-vs-seaside-townhouse/176469640372091/ (https://m.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/rent-wars-london-studio-vs-seaside-townhouse/176469640372091/)

I would encourage anyone to get out of Belfast/Dublin/ London as soon as they graduate.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 31, 2022, 11:45:52 AM
https://m.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/rent-wars-london-studio-vs-seaside-townhouse/176469640372091/ (https://m.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/rent-wars-london-studio-vs-seaside-townhouse/176469640372091/)

I would encourage anyone to get out of Belfast/Dublin/ London as soon as they graduate.

Problem is our stooges govt in Belfast have left us with a economy that forgets there is anywhere else outside Belfast . We have been exporting our wains here in Derry for over 100 years. Sinn Fťin SDLP have not made it any better.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 31, 2022, 11:58:30 AM
Derry is another great reason for a UI.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 31, 2022, 12:00:50 PM
Derry is another great reason for a UI.

We are naturally connected to Inishowen, hemmed in by a govt in Belfast that ignores us and a govt in Dublin who don't know where Inishowen is
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on July 31, 2022, 12:08:16 PM
Derry is another great reason for a UI.

We are naturally connected to Inishowen, hemmed in by a govt in Belfast that ignores us and a govt in Dublin who don't know where Inishowen is
Location location location
Donegal is the poorest county in the other jurisdiction.
Economic activity in the North is concentrated in the NE.
The border really hammered Derry. And Donegal.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: markl121 on July 31, 2022, 12:36:45 PM
Derry is another great reason for a UI.

We are naturally connected to Inishowen, hemmed in by a govt in Belfast that ignores us and a govt in Dublin who don't know where Inishowen is
Location location location
Donegal is the poorest county in the other jurisdiction.
Economic activity in the North is concentrated in the NE.
The border really hammered Derry. And Donegal.

The west of the Bann in general. Shite investment, shite infrastructure and public transport. But we know why that is.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on August 01, 2022, 01:31:17 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.

That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.

It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps

Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?

Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own

As in SDLP types like Declan Boyle?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on August 01, 2022, 01:53:35 PM
Surely there are not rooms in the Holylands for 700 a month?!?!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 01, 2022, 01:53:49 PM
Excuse the ignorance but I was always told anecdotally that the rent in Belfast was OK. Like Dublin is totally warping everything. It is spreading out to neighbouring counties too.

That's the one mad thing about all the talk. It's like rent is not part of it all. It's all household bills and let's not mention the largest bill there is.

It's not ok for the slum conditions . It's about 700 sterling per month in holylands for disease ridden dumps

Per student? 5 in a house £3,500?

Yeah per room. Absolute crooks and as I said , mostly our own

As in SDLP types like Declan Boyle?

Dont know any of the lads up there to say other than you know they are mostly from our own community. Here in Derry its certainly across the  board
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 01, 2022, 01:54:17 PM
Surely there are not rooms in the Holylands for 700 a month?!?!

350 per room
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on August 01, 2022, 01:56:49 PM
Surely there are not rooms in the Holylands for 700 a month?!?!

350 per room

Still steep. Bet they're a box too.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 02:00:45 PM
Derry is another great reason for a UI.

We are naturally connected to Inishowen, hemmed in by a govt in Belfast that ignores us and a govt in Dublin who don't know where Inishowen is
Location location location
Donegal is the poorest county in the other jurisdiction.
Economiit's harder to understand post GFc activity in the North is concentrated in the NE.
The border really hammered Derry. And Donegal.

The west of the Bann in general. Shite investment, shite infrastructure and public transport. But we know why that is.

It's harder to understand under power sharing. I think the North would have a lot of upside under a different system.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: markl121 on August 01, 2022, 02:30:48 PM
Derry is another great reason for a UI.

We are naturally connected to Inishowen, hemmed in by a govt in Belfast that ignores us and a govt in Dublin who don't know where Inishowen is
Location location location
Donegal is the poorest county in the other jurisdiction.
Economiit's harder to understand post GFc activity in the North is concentrated in the NE.
The border really hammered Derry. And Donegal.

The west of the Bann in general. Shite investment, shite infrastructure and public transport. But we know why that is.

It's harder to understand under power sharing. I think the North would have a lot of upside under a different system.
Trying to get anything passed under power sharing is brutal especially if itís perceived to favour the nationalist side.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 09:42:18 PM
Derry is another great reason for a UI.

We are naturally connected to Inishowen, hemmed in by a govt in Belfast that ignores us and a govt in Dublin who don't know where Inishowen is
Location location location
Donegal is the poorest county in the other jurisdiction.
Economiit's harder to understand post GFc activity in the North is concentrated in the NE.
The border really hammered Derry. And Donegal.

The west of the Bann in general. Shite investment, shite infrastructure and public transport. But we know why that is.

It's harder to understand under power sharing. I think the North would have a lot of upside under a different system.
Trying to get anything passed under power sharing is brutal especially if itís perceived to favour the nationalist side.
There has to be a way of dealing with structural issues such as poverty . They don't just impact nationalists
I think that the Northern state is a failure for both communities.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 09:44:04 PM
No food banks in the south?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 01, 2022, 09:59:18 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the  North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 01, 2022, 10:04:10 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the  North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.

100 percent correct , we are away worse off than the south
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Kidder81 on August 01, 2022, 10:10:12 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the  North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.

Do you understand the ďpoorĒ measurement ? Also itís a bit muddy with plenty of households of single parents that arenít really single.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 10:25:55 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the  North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.

Iíll ask one more timeÖ. Are there no food banks in the south?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 01, 2022, 10:47:01 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the  North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.

Iíll ask one more timeÖ. Are there no food banks in the south?

Why you ask ? I must have missed something
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 01, 2022, 10:47:56 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the  North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.

Do you understand the ďpoorĒ measurement ? Also itís a bit muddy with plenty of households of single parents that arenít really single.

The underclass.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 11:03:28 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the  North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.

Iíll ask one more timeÖ. Are there no food banks in the south?

Why you ask ? I must have missed something

Not asking youÖ Seafoid
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 01, 2022, 11:07:47 PM
No food banks in the south?
Almost 1 in 4 people in the  North are classed as poor.
It's in that 42 page doc that is too long to read.

Iíll ask one more timeÖ. Are there no food banks in the south?

Why you ask ? I must have missed something

Not asking youÖ Seafoid

Sorry, misread it
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 01, 2022, 11:13:29 PM
Relative poverty after housing costs for NI in 2017-2020 was 17%. ROI 13%. A fair difference but not as much as being made out.
Canít seem to find more up to date figures but I know they usually go in 3 year averages for this.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 11:22:52 PM
Ok one more time, are there food banks in the south and are they busy?

Btw I know the answer
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 08:10:39 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2022, 09:16:47 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.

I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isnít a smart idea.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 09:21:57 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.

I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isnít a smart idea.

Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on August 02, 2022, 09:37:24 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.

I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isnít a smart idea.

Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself

At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.

You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be Ä9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.

Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.

The oldest trick in the book.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 02, 2022, 09:57:43 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.

I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isnít a smart idea.

Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself

At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.

You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be Ä9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.

Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.

The oldest trick in the book.

I donít think NI is the worst across the UK in all aspects of poverty. Some of the deeper poverty metrics that look into After housing costs (AHC) rather than just flat income rates show some areas of the UK worse.
That said, itís a bit like trying to find the positives from finding a turd on your street. Because whatever way you look at it, youíve still got a turd on your street!!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 02, 2022, 10:03:55 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.

I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isnít a smart idea.

Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself

At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.

You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be Ä9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.

Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.

The oldest trick in the book.

This. Well said
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on August 02, 2022, 10:15:20 AM
It's not dissimilar in a lot of places. The people causing the problems are the ones that continue to get voted in. They put a manifesto out about change trying to gloss over the fact that we need change because of the position they put people in. People fall for it every time.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 10:21:59 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.

I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isnít a smart idea.

Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself

At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.

You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be Ä9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.

Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.

The oldest trick in the book.

I completely understand that in the North there are certainly worse off areas that than parts of the south.  But wages in Dublin do not reflect the whole of Ireland which may in turn give a mixed view on things, otherwise why has there been a 70% rise in the the use or need for foodbanks?

Every one is noticing it more in their pocket, but to constantly post about how poor the north is (like he gives a shit) is a bit obsessive

As for the wine I wait on the 25% discounts at the local supermarkets and fill up lol!

Was in Malaga the other week, at a local tapas we'd probably 5 or 6 tapas with 6 or more drinks and a dessert between us, 40 euro .. same meal and drinks back home would cost close to £100, the game isnt straight
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on August 02, 2022, 10:25:34 AM
What are their wages etc though...
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 10:35:39 AM
What are their wages etc though...

Not sure the average wage of but a quick google check and its 28 grand a year similar to the UK I think
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 02, 2022, 10:59:30 AM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.

I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isnít a smart idea.

Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself

At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.

You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be Ä9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.

Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.

The oldest trick in the book.

I completely understand that in the North there are certainly worse off areas that than parts of the south.  But wages in Dublin do not reflect the whole of Ireland which may in turn give a mixed view on things, otherwise why has there been a 70% rise in the the use or need for foodbanks?

Every one is noticing it more in their pocket, but to constantly post about how poor the north is (like he gives a shit) is a bit obsessive

As for the wine I wait on the 25% discounts at the local supermarkets and fill up lol!

Was in Malaga the other week, at a local tapas we'd probably 5 or 6 tapas with 6 or more drinks and a dessert between us, 40 euro .. same meal and drinks back home would cost close to £100, the game isnt straight

Ah Sainsburys
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/living/2022/0802/1313445-beat-inflation-with-these-6-back-to-school-budgeting-tips/
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 02, 2022, 01:01:31 PM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.

I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isnít a smart idea.

Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself

At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.

You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be Ä9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.

Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.

The oldest trick in the book.
No cost of living crisis in Co. Down. Was in a hotel in Newcastle over the weekend and it was £9.50 for a 125mL glass of white wine and a fiver for a small bottle of Peroni  :o
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: gallsman on August 02, 2022, 01:04:17 PM
What are their wages etc though...

Not sure the average wage of but a quick google check and its 28 grand a year similar to the UK I think

Restaurant staff in Malaga are categorically not being paid 28k a year.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: grounded on August 02, 2022, 01:05:09 PM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.

I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isnít a smart idea.

Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself

At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.

You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be Ä9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.

Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.

The oldest trick in the book.
No cost of living crisis in Co. Down. Was in a hotel in Newcastle over the weekend and it was £9.50 for a 125mL glass of white wine and a fiver for a small bottle of Peroni  :o

THe Slieve Donard no doubt. Big stuff!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 02, 2022, 01:11:35 PM
Aye the bastards. If I had known the price the missus would have been on the tap water.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 01:13:25 PM
What are their wages etc though...

Not sure the average wage of but a quick google check and its 28 grand a year similar to the UK I think

Restaurant staff in Malaga are categorically not being paid 28k a year.

I wasn't quoting staff wages as anyone that works that type of job, (I've two daughters doing that currently) is getting buttons, the average wage in Spain  I'm reporting
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 01:14:31 PM
There are some but it's not in the same league as up North, if that's your point.
The North has more people struggling because it's in the UK and doesn't have a functioning economic model.

I think you underestimate the level of poverty in ROI as well. Unintentionally I hope. Demand for food banks in ROI increased 70% over covid. The North is not in a good position, so using it as a level of success for ROI isnít a smart idea.

Its his agenda though so he'll hardly move from it even if he has to use one himself

At the same time MR you have to admit that based on every economic metric going Northern Ireland is much poorer than the South and every region in GB as well.

You may be able to get a bottle of wine for £6 in Newtownabbey and the equivalent may be Ä9 in the south but you are remunerated accordingly.

Working class loyalists are getting shafted too, but they believe that working class nationalists are worse off so they take some form of comfort in that.

The oldest trick in the book.
No cost of living crisis in Co. Down. Was in a hotel in Newcastle over the weekend and it was £9.50 for a 125mL glass of white wine and a fiver for a small bottle of Peroni  :o

Ache sure spend a bit, ya can't take it with ya
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: toby47 on August 02, 2022, 01:28:10 PM
Fuel prices will continue to drop over the coming days.

Hopefully the forecourts pass it on to consumers.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 01:55:08 PM
Fuel prices will continue to drop over the coming days.

Hopefully the forecourts pass it on to consumers.

£1.65, I passed one today, hopefully it continues
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on August 02, 2022, 02:40:17 PM
Fuel prices will continue to drop over the coming days.

Hopefully the forecourts pass it on to consumers.

Will this also follow through to the price of foodstuff in shops as we were told much of the hike in food cost was around the cost of fuel, particularly in relation to delivery supply chains?

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 02:46:11 PM
Fuel prices will continue to drop over the coming days.

Hopefully the forecourts pass it on to consumers.

Will this also follow through to the price of foodstuff in shops as we were told much of the hike in food cost was around the cost of fuel, particularly in relation to delivery supply chains?
I don't think so. Not until inflation is under control.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on August 02, 2022, 04:24:47 PM
Fuel prices will continue to drop over the coming days.

Hopefully the forecourts pass it on to consumers.

Will this also follow through to the price of foodstuff in shops as we were told much of the hike in food cost was around the cost of fuel, particularly in relation to delivery supply chains?
I don't think so. Not until inflation is under control.

The price of fuel is one of the factors driving inflation at present.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 05:54:36 PM
Fuel prices will continue to drop over the coming days.

Hopefully the forecourts pass it on to consumers.

Will this also follow through to the price of foodstuff in shops as we were told much of the hike in food cost was around the cost of fuel, particularly in relation to delivery supply chains?
I don't think so. Not until inflation is under control.

The price of fuel is one of the factors driving inflation at present.
It is . But so is the war in Ukraine which has reduced the global supply of wheat and driven up food prices. Even if the price of oil moderates Putin is using gas as a lever to try to split the EU . As well, Supply chains will already have built in higher oil prices.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 02, 2022, 06:16:28 PM
Once China invaded Taiwan weíll be fecked even more
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 02, 2022, 06:32:26 PM
Once China invaded Taiwan weíll be fecked even more
I think the Chinese Army is a bit like the British Army and wouldn't dare going across the border.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: markl121 on August 02, 2022, 06:45:36 PM
https://twitter.com/huxijin_gt/status/1554519147572531200?s=21&t=BDDI7iNpq_U7HrM4_BxENw
I dunno itís looking ropey
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Eire90 on August 03, 2022, 02:51:23 AM
a lot of analysts say china is still about 4 or 5 years away from being able to invade
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 03, 2022, 06:34:03 AM
a lot of analysts say china is still about 4 or 5 years away from being able to invade
The Chinese economy has probably peaked.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: bennydorano on August 03, 2022, 09:35:54 AM
Dontpayuk wouldn't it be great if this got some traction

https://twitter.com/dontpayuk?t=RzVAVe8fC-JTMqUa6HYQ1w&s=09
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: markl121 on August 03, 2022, 10:10:02 AM
Dontpayuk wouldn't it be great if this got some traction

https://twitter.com/dontpayuk?t=RzVAVe8fC-JTMqUa6HYQ1w&s=09
Crazy idea this. Theyíll fit pay as you go meters in all houses and turn normal people into criminals
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 03, 2022, 10:15:16 AM
Dontpayuk wouldn't it be great if this got some traction

https://twitter.com/dontpayuk?t=RzVAVe8fC-JTMqUa6HYQ1w&s=09
I think they would need more than a million for critical mass
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: clarshack on August 03, 2022, 10:33:41 AM
Dontpayuk wouldn't it be great if this got some traction

https://twitter.com/dontpayuk?t=RzVAVe8fC-JTMqUa6HYQ1w&s=09

Sounds good in theory but a bad idea if you were to be looking for a mortgage/loan afterwards.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 03, 2022, 10:38:24 AM
Dontpayuk wouldn't it be great if this got some traction

https://twitter.com/dontpayuk?t=RzVAVe8fC-JTMqUa6HYQ1w&s=09

Sounds good in theory but a bad idea if you were to be looking for a mortgage/loan afterwards.
It depends how many people do it.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: WeeDonns on August 03, 2022, 11:11:56 AM
Dontpayuk wouldn't it be great if this got some traction

https://twitter.com/dontpayuk?t=RzVAVe8fC-JTMqUa6HYQ1w&s=09
Crazy idea this. Theyíll fit pay as you go meters in all houses and turn normal people into criminals
Sure I thought all the people with PAYG meters were criminals.....
*magnets :-X
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on August 03, 2022, 11:49:39 AM
Fuel prices will continue to drop over the coming days.

Hopefully the forecourts pass it on to consumers.

It's the cķnts who are processing the fuel and making extortionate profits that need to pass this onto the forecourts but aren't.

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: bennydorano on August 03, 2022, 11:54:14 AM
Dontpayuk wouldn't it be great if this got some traction

https://twitter.com/dontpayuk?t=RzVAVe8fC-JTMqUa6HYQ1w&s=09

Sounds good in theory but a bad idea if you were to be looking for a mortgage/loan afterwards.
It depends how many people do it.
Yip, it's all about the numbers, that would make the Government step in and take action against the energy providers' profiteering.

It's likely a pipe dream, tho there's only so much shit the people will take. It really depends what the shte hawk rags like the Mail and Express do and they're screaming blue murder about the COL  as loud as any leftie.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Eire90 on August 06, 2022, 09:18:53 AM
talks of people gathering in churches and other places to eat this winter wtf is where we at.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Eire90 on August 06, 2022, 09:19:59 AM
personally id rather just put on a few jumpers and go a long walk rather than sit in a church drinking tea  will people be sleeping in churches too
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 06, 2022, 09:30:03 AM
13%  inflation expected by December. That's a huge hit to people on the breadline.
The UK has higher inflation than elsewhere because of Brexit.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Sportacus on August 10, 2022, 12:38:12 PM
The response of our MLAs, MPs and all the chronies who support them is truly pathetic.  Late to the party on school uniforms, going round in circles on transferring energy support to the most needy, and still taking their wages.  It is absolutely disgusting.  They are a bunch of bluffers, stealing a living.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on August 10, 2022, 12:42:41 PM
Tbh it's borderline fraud what the DUP are at.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on August 10, 2022, 12:44:56 PM
Tbh it's borderline fraud what the DUP are at.

But, but, but NI Protocol..

Oh, and fleg.....
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2022, 12:51:24 PM
Have turned off 5live recently as its non stop doom and gloom, its as if they can find the most extreme view on the predictions they can find and run with it..

Few things, we can all do without a few things but not prepared to do without because its norm

Phones, data, takeaway's, treats, going to the pub, getting over priced coffee, brand labeled food, starters, non essential journeys or driving to local shop, holidays, turning the thermostat down, netflix and the rest, replica football tops (never had one)

I'm sure there is a hell of a lot more crap we could cut out and be a lot more healthier for it, but are you will to do without?

Some of the above might even bring down costs from the energy providers if we didn't use so much
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on August 10, 2022, 12:53:02 PM
13%  inflation expected by December. That's a huge hit to people on the breadline.
The UK has higher inflation than elsewhere because of Brexit.

Inflation in reality is probably 20% at the minute. 13% on what was measured months ago. All the economic figures you get are from work done months ago. There is no real up to date / current figures.

Our politicians are stealing a living. c***ts need voted out. But we'll not do that because of flags.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on August 10, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
The solution is a pay rise. Get one or get a new job.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: TabClear on August 10, 2022, 01:04:27 PM
Tbh it's borderline fraud what the DUP are at.

But, but, but NI Protocol..

Oh, and fleg.....

And Themmums
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: bennydorano on August 10, 2022, 01:26:09 PM
The solution is a pay rise. Get one or get a new job.
Somebody get this  fella elected quickly, COL sorted.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: bennydorano on August 10, 2022, 01:27:22 PM
Don't Pay campaign getting a bit of publicity.

BBC News - Energy bills: What do I do if I can't pay?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62435432
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: themac_23 on August 10, 2022, 01:53:07 PM
Have turned off 5live recently as its non stop doom and gloom, its as if they can find the most extreme view on the predictions they can find and run with it..

Few things, we can all do without a few things but not prepared to do without because its norm

Phones, data, takeaway's, treats, going to the pub, getting over priced coffee, brand labeled food, starters, non essential journeys or driving to local shop, holidays, turning the thermostat down, netflix and the rest, replica football tops (never had one)

I'm sure there is a hell of a lot more crap we could cut out and be a lot more healthier for it, but are you will to do without?

Some of the above might even bring down costs from the energy providers if we didn't use so much

This 100% there is no sacrifices being made in a lot of situations, not all but some. Me and the mrs would prob be considered middle of the road both work 5/6 days a week have a mortgage both have a car (one paid off one on finance) weíve seen our bills sky rocket weíve sat down and done a list of what we can and canít do without, take away coffees and making a lunch every day was something you wouldnít think too much about but Iíd say between us itís over £100 a week cut, we also used to go for something to eat every Sunday either breakfast or lunch cut that back to once a month sometimes twice another £60/70saved. Thatís just on things we did food wise.
Simple things like shopping in Lidl for most of our stuff. 

didnít upgrade her phone just got a PAYG sim cut another £50 a month. Gonna keep my car and not change it when itís paid off in 6 months be another 300 a month

Itís about making cuts where you can, nobodyís saying donít go on holiday etc, the small things are the 1s that add up i was shocked how much I was spending every day just grabbing coffee and lunch etc, make a lunch now and honestly makes no difference to me and itís saving me a fortune.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2022, 01:58:32 PM
Have turned off 5live recently as its non stop doom and gloom, its as if they can find the most extreme view on the predictions they can find and run with it..

Few things, we can all do without a few things but not prepared to do without because its norm

Phones, data, takeaway's, treats, going to the pub, getting over priced coffee, brand labeled food, starters, non essential journeys or driving to local shop, holidays, turning the thermostat down, netflix and the rest, replica football tops (never had one)

I'm sure there is a hell of a lot more crap we could cut out and be a lot more healthier for it, but are you will to do without?

Some of the above might even bring down costs from the energy providers if we didn't use so much

This 100% there is no sacrifices being made in a lot of situations, not all but some. Me and the mrs would prob be considered middle of the road both work 5/6 days a week have a mortgage both have a car (one paid off one on finance) weíve seen our bills sky rocket weíve sat down and done a list of what we can and canít do without, take away coffees and making a lunch every day was something you wouldnít think too much about but Iíd say between us itís over £100 a week cut, we also used to go for something to eat every Sunday either breakfast or lunch cut that back to once a month sometimes twice another £60/70saved. Thatís just on things we did food wise.
Simple things like shopping in Lidl for most of our stuff. 

didnít upgrade her phone just got a PAYG sim cut another £50 a month. Gonna keep my car and not change it when itís paid off in 6 months be another 300 a month

Itís about making cuts where you can, nobodyís saying donít go on holiday etc, the small things are the 1s that add up i was shocked how much I was spending every day just grabbing coffee and lunch etc, make a lunch now and honestly makes no difference to me and itís saving me a fortune.

Make a bigger dinner, eat less and bring the afters into work!!

I'm snookered for next 3 years with kids at college so will have to just do without the nice things for a period, be grand after that.. Kitchen loan should be paid off also, I think, I really didn't ask for how long we got it for but assume over 4/5 years
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on August 10, 2022, 02:11:47 PM
The solution is a pay rise. Get one or get a new job.
Somebody get this  fella elected quickly, COL sorted.

If you have another solution I am all ears.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2022, 02:12:29 PM
The solution is a pay rise. Get one or get a new job.
Somebody get this  fella elected quickly, COL sorted.

If you have another solution I am all ears.

Could get an extra job or work an extra day...
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: ONeill on August 10, 2022, 02:47:37 PM
Definitely cutting down on toilet roll. The price of it is scandalous.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 10, 2022, 02:56:07 PM
Inflation could be over in 12-18 months.
At some level of interest it will stop.
It's not a permanent change.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: gallsman on August 10, 2022, 03:37:47 PM
Definitely cutting down on toilet roll. The price of it is scandalous.

Can always manage an extra fold that you don't plan on.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Square Ball on August 10, 2022, 03:48:48 PM
By the time we get this £400 it could be worth a lot less after the next increase. I have meters for gas and electric so am sticking on what ever I can afford now to stock up.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: marty34 on August 10, 2022, 04:27:04 PM
The response of our MLAs, MPs and all the chronies who support them is truly pathetic.  Late to the party on school uniforms, going round in circles on transferring energy support to the most needy, and still taking their wages.  It is absolutely disgusting.  They are a bunch of bluffers, stealing a living.

Uniform thing annoys me - btw as bad as the prices thing is, it's not that.

It's the fact that this conversation goes on mid-August year after year, after year.....and nothing is done about it.

Children's Comissioner puts out statements every year but nothing is every done.

It's like a topic for a week or so, then it's forgot about until the same time next year.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: marty34 on August 10, 2022, 04:45:26 PM
The solution is a pay rise. Get one or get a new job.
Somebody get this  fella elected quickly, COL sorted.

If you have another solution I am all ears.

Could get an extra job or work an extra day...

A while back people were talking about working a 4 day week, a day less.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: AustinPowers on August 10, 2022, 06:36:37 PM
Have turned off 5live recently as its non stop doom and gloom, its as if they can find the most extreme view on the predictions they can find and run with it..

Few things, we can all do without a few things but not prepared to do without because its norm

Phones, data, takeaway's, treats, going to the pub, getting over priced coffee, brand labeled food, starters, non essential journeys or driving to local shop, holidays, turning the thermostat down, netflix and the rest, replica football tops (never had one)

I'm sure there is a hell of a lot more crap we could cut out and be a lot more healthier for it, but are you will to do without?

Some of the above might even bring down costs from the energy providers if we didn't use so much

This 100% there is no sacrifices being made in a lot of situations, not all but some. Me and the mrs would prob be considered middle of the road both work 5/6 days a week have a mortgage both have a car (one paid off one on finance) weíve seen our bills sky rocket weíve sat down and done a list of what we can and canít do without, take away coffees and making a lunch every day was something you wouldnít think too much about but Iíd say between us itís over £100 a week cut, we also used to go for something to eat every Sunday either breakfast or lunch cut that back to once a month sometimes twice another £60/70saved. Thatís just on things we did food wise.
Simple things like shopping in Lidl for most of our stuff. 

didnít upgrade her phone just got a PAYG sim cut another £50 a month. Gonna keep my car and not change it when itís paid off in 6 months be another 300 a month

Itís about making cuts where you can, nobodyís saying donít go on holiday etc, the small things are the 1s that add up i was shocked how much I was spending every day just grabbing coffee and lunch etc, make a lunch now and honestly makes no difference to me and itís saving me a fortune.

I find people waste a lot of food. And waste a lot  of money buying food that is  then wasted .  Some of the in laws when they call would bring Out  some food they wonít be getting through.  Daft stuff, like  diced packets of carrots or  apple/pineapples etc.  Maybe. A pound for a few chunks of pineapple in a tub. Youíd get 7 or 8 times the amount for the same price,  if you just bought a whole pineapple.  I mean I know people are busy but how hard is it  to cut a pineapple or  slice a few carrots?  Flip me but people have got more money than sense. And lazy as shite 

Iím not a massive  coffee drinker but I wouldnít give a penny for the pish thatís considered  coffee in those Starbucks Nandoís or whoever the hell they are, places... £4 for a cup of pish.  Madness.... £4 would  cover me  for a months coffee drinking at home.

Another thing... is breakfast cereals.  A few years ago I  started to but the cheaper weetabix. Happened to eat the real stuff other day  and frig me it was Like eating cardboard.  Iíll stick with lidlís Thank you very much .  That show Ďeat well for lessí  with yer master chef fella is good for seeing where you can save and it shows the  madness people have with big brands
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2022, 06:47:38 PM
If your job can be done in 4 days rather 5 then grand, if you need extra then generate another wage, sister in law buys and sells on eBay brings in 3 or 4 hundred a month, time consuming and a bitta effort required but once youíre up and running itís fine.

Wife used to tutor for transfer tests years ago, was a steady earner, also marking exams brought in few quid. Does feck all now  ;D

If I looked for a few extra areas in my profession I could earn good money, canít be arsed which Iíll need to review going forward

What Iím trying to say there are loads of ways to get you through whatever happens these next few years of a recession, if youíre willing or have the work ethic to do it

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 10, 2022, 07:30:50 PM
Whatís the view on heating oil, itís gone down to 88 a litre do I fill the sucker right up now or chance it for another month. Itís still going down
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: nrico2006 on August 10, 2022, 08:11:11 PM
Inflation could be over in 12-18 months.
At some level of interest it will stop.
It's not a permanent change.

Does deflation ever happen?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Sportacus on August 10, 2022, 10:07:16 PM
Inflation could be over in 12-18 months.
At some level of interest it will stop.
It's not a permanent change.

Does deflation ever happen?
The great British public will have the wool pulled over their eyes in a few months when inflation starts lapping itself and the headline number will come down because of that.  Government will spoof that they are getting it under control, but prices will actually still be high, even though the headline percentage will look like success.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 10, 2022, 11:01:55 PM
Whatís the view on heating oil, itís gone down to 88 a litre do I fill the sucker right up now or chance it for another month. Itís still going down
In that boat myself. Need to check the tank tomorrow but If reckon a partial fill is imminent. That's serious money for a litre of oil. I may get the chainsaw sharpened for winter.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: ONeill on August 10, 2022, 11:06:35 PM
Stop killing trees.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: From the Bunker on August 11, 2022, 01:08:01 AM
Stop killing trees.

There are plenty of Ash that are dead or dying the last 10 years that will have to be felled for Safety reasons anyway!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 11, 2022, 06:55:18 AM
Inflation could be over in 12-18 months.
At some level of interest it will stop.
It's not a permanent change.

Does deflation ever happen?
it does. We had d of the last deflation for most of the last decade. There is too much debt . It will probably happen when interest rates go down again., say at 2%
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Throw It Up Ref on August 11, 2022, 10:44:53 AM
Inflation could be over in 12-18 months.
At some level of interest it will stop.
It's not a permanent change.

Does deflation ever happen?
it does. We had d of the last deflation for most of the last decade. There is too much debt . It will probably happen when interest rates go down again., say at 2%

Would it not entirely depend on what is driving you're inflation? The basic economics are if you have high inflation you increase interest rates to discourage spending until it's under control again. The problem at the minute is that inflation is being driven by soaring energy costs making everything else more costly to produce. The governments don't want to see inflation slowing until it's had the effect of greatly reducing any borrowing during the pandemic.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on August 11, 2022, 11:41:03 AM
Yeah this is not your average kind of inflation I'd have thought.

Solutions here need to involved actual energy caps and not calling a price increase a cap...
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on August 11, 2022, 11:56:31 AM
Is a price cap a price cap if its increased 3 months down the line?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: bennydorano on August 11, 2022, 01:09:03 PM
A big deep recession will sort inflation, and its coming worldwide.

Governments need to take the Energy companies to task, UK especially. Open season on profiteering.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2022, 01:16:45 PM
For work I use a dongle for internet connection, possible EE, anyways, the odd time it will have run out of it original data and needs to be topped up..

Happened the other day and It used to be £15 for 10GB now its £17.50 for the same GB, where are the extra costs required for that top up?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Kidder81 on August 11, 2022, 01:18:50 PM
Is a price cap a price cap if its increased 3 months down the line?

Itís a cap on the energy companies profits I believe, if wholesale price goes up then so does the cap
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fionntamhnach on August 11, 2022, 03:36:04 PM
For work I use a dongle for internet connection, possible EE, anyways, the odd time it will have run out of it original data and needs to be topped up..

Happened the other day and It used to be £15 for 10GB now its £17.50 for the same GB, where are the extra costs required for that top up?

Dunno if this specifically helps but at the moment Argos are selling EE data sims with 120GB of data that has a 12 month expiry period for just £50 (£4.17 per 10GB of data).

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/2152310?clickPR=plp:3:10
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2022, 03:44:02 PM
For work I use a dongle for internet connection, possible EE, anyways, the odd time it will have run out of it original data and needs to be topped up..

Happened the other day and It used to be £15 for 10GB now its £17.50 for the same GB, where are the extra costs required for that top up?

Dunno if this specifically helps but at the moment Argos are selling EE data sims with 120GB of data that has a 12 month expiry period for just £50 (£4.17 per 10GB of data).

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/2152310?clickPR=plp:3:10

Will forward that on to the IT guy, god love him. one man covering hundreds of computers and networks .. thanks
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on August 11, 2022, 05:10:11 PM
A big deep recession will sort inflation, and its coming worldwide.

Governments need to take the Energy companies to task, UK especially. Open season on profiteering.
The EU price cap on gas  is about Ä40 per megawatt . The UK price cap is over £260.
Another advantage of the wee Union.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Nanderson on August 11, 2022, 07:49:22 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1557478057833017344?s=20&t=QXkRsPUqNA2Gz3mHRRg2Ag

Came across this tweet. Its scandalous the amount of businesses that came from nowhere and really benefited from the pandemic. No doubt backed by rich and powerful owners and friends
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: bennydorano on August 11, 2022, 11:16:24 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1557478057833017344?s=20&t=QXkRsPUqNA2Gz3mHRRg2Ag

Came across this tweet. Its scandalous the amount of businesses that came from nowhere and really benefited from the pandemic. No doubt backed by rich and powerful owners and friends
Wonder did Private Eye do a cross reference investigation with Tory donorship?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 17, 2022, 05:50:50 PM
Cost of living crisis hasnít hit Liverpool town centre.. place is rammed, bars restaurants full
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on September 17, 2022, 05:57:36 PM
MR2 missin the lads. Away on his holidays and still has time to check in 😃

Ye gettin that chicken bucket i mentioned later 😉
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on September 17, 2022, 05:58:33 PM
Cost of living crisis hasnít hit Liverpool town centre.. place is rammed, bars restaurants full

This is it. Family member was questioning why they raise interest rates when nobody has any money and aren't spending money anyway. I laughed and told him to look around him.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Kidder81 on September 17, 2022, 06:03:46 PM
People will also put boozing and partying before other things unfortunately & then cry poverty
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 17, 2022, 06:18:23 PM
MR2 missin the lads. Away on his holidays and still has time to check in 😃

Ye gettin that chicken bucket i mentioned later 😉

Ah finding some alone time in OíNeills pub while they shop!!

No bargain buckets today!

Also the price of some of the student accommodation is crazy, but hey they are lining up the streets and piling them in
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Ghost on September 17, 2022, 06:23:04 PM
People will also put boozing and partying before other things unfortunately & then cry poverty

Maybe nearly as cheap to go out to the pub for 7 or 8 pints as is to sit in with the heat and electric on for the night the way things are going  ;D ;D

It's a sad indicator of where this world is going when people are expected to be grateful that they can afford to stay fed and warm at night. Not much of a quality of life when you're forced to stay at home any time you're not working...It's called the cost of living and for me the social aspect whether it be pints down the pub, a trip to the football, heading to the local cinema (whatever you're into really) are as important a part of living as anything else..
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: bennydorano on September 17, 2022, 06:56:37 PM
I'm in Liverpool myself on the Uni run ;D I got 2 tickets for the Everton match 2moro as well. First time here, it's a fine city, wind would cut you to the bone tho. Big range of pint prices about the town.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: bennydorano on September 17, 2022, 06:58:33 PM
I'll keep an eye out for you MR2, think I've seen your short arsed photo on Strava  :)
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 17, 2022, 07:17:54 PM
Iím here uni run too,  short arsed  ;D Iíd try and get tickets but sold out!!

Been to Everton before back in the day as we always stayed here then headed to Manchester  ;)
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Newbridge Exile on September 17, 2022, 09:40:49 PM
MR2 missin the lads. Away on his holidays and still has time to check in 😃

Ye gettin that chicken bucket i mentioned later 😉

Ah finding some alone time in OíNeills pub while they shop!!

No bargain buckets today!

Also the price of some of the student accommodation is crazy, but hey they are lining up the streets and piling them in
We just finished building a student scheme in Coventry cheapest room £250 a week dearest studio room in excess of £450 a week
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2022, 09:43:35 PM
MR2 missin the lads. Away on his holidays and still has time to check in 😃

Ye gettin that chicken bucket i mentioned later 😉

Ah finding some alone time in OíNeills pub while they shop!!

No bargain buckets today!

Also the price of some of the student accommodation is crazy, but hey they are lining up the streets and piling them in
We just finished building a student scheme in Coventry cheapest room £250 a week dearest studio room in excess of £450 a week
:o that's mortgage money. The young fella is in LIV in Belfast and we thought it was expensive at over 6 grand! The halls are class though.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Mourne Red on September 17, 2022, 09:58:12 PM
I'm in Liverpool myself on the Uni run ;D I got 2 tickets for the Everton match 2moro as well. First time here, it's a fine city, wind would cut you to the bone tho. Big range of pint prices about the town.

Was in Uni there 10 years ago, donít know itís still open but The Crown by lime street station done a great pint and Sunday dinner
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Newbridge Exile on September 17, 2022, 10:05:44 PM
MR2 missin the lads. Away on his holidays and still has time to check in 😃

Ye gettin that chicken bucket i mentioned later 😉

Ah finding some alone time in OíNeills pub while they shop!!

No bargain buckets today!

Also the price of some of the student accommodation is crazy, but hey they are lining up the streets and piling them in
We just finished building a student scheme in Coventry cheapest room £250 a week dearest studio room in excess of £450 a week
:o that's mortgage money. The young fella is in LIV in Belfast and we thought it was expensive at over 6 grand! The halls are class though.
I  left my nephew up to LIV last week , was impressed with it to be honest
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on September 17, 2022, 10:19:01 PM
I'll keep an eye out for you MR2, think I've seen your short arsed photo on Strava  :)

If ye see a wee bald belfasty walking around arguin way anyone about anythin thatll be him. Tho that describes most belfasties tbf 😉😂
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Jim Bob on September 17, 2022, 10:38:35 PM
I'll keep an eye out for you MR2, think I've seen your short arsed photo on Strava  :)

If ye see a wee bald belfasty walking around arguin way anyone about anythin thatll be him. Tho that describes most belfasties tbf 😉😂

And theyíre mostly called Fra
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: ONeill on September 17, 2022, 10:51:12 PM
Hadn't been keeping an eye on the cost of coal since last winter. Got some gunk today when I bought a bag.

Bound to be lignite in East Tyrone.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2022, 11:38:32 PM
Hadn't been keeping an eye on the cost of coal since last winter. Got some gunk today when I bought a bag.

Bound to be lignite in East Tyrone.
Brackaville may pull the finger out.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2022, 03:15:23 AM
I was getting 3 bags of 20kg doubles for £19 In March, same now, £42 and that's the cheapest.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 18, 2022, 07:36:02 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-admits-weaponization-gas-halts-ns1-shipments-until-sanctions-lifted-eu-prepares
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 18, 2022, 07:39:37 AM
https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0909/1321473-eu-energy-meeting/He also said that high energy prices are likely to be a factor for approximately two years.

"Europe is looking at other energy sources so that we donít become reliant on that Russian gas," Mr Ryan said.

"All the market analysis is that this is likely to be a difficult period for about two years.

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 18, 2022, 08:22:08 AM
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0918/1323898-border-shopping-basket/
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Jim Bob on September 18, 2022, 08:54:24 AM
Whatís the price of diesel/unleaded in the south now compared to the 6 counties.
I remember about 20 years ago heading to emyvale with my jerrycans to fill up as there was a saving ti be made.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 18, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Whatís the price of diesel/unleaded in the south now compared to the 6 counties.
I remember about 20 years ago heading to emyvale with my jerrycans to fill up as there was a saving ti be made.
Diesel/Unleaded is 164.9/149.9 (£) at Mackle's. Having said that I wouldn't buy their stuff.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 18, 2022, 01:34:31 PM
Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Kidder81 on September 22, 2022, 12:09:05 PM
Interest rates up to 2.25%
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: LC on September 22, 2022, 03:00:14 PM
Pity anyone who bought their first home in the past 2 - 3 years with an LTV of +90%, they are in for a big shock when their current mortgage deal ends.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on September 22, 2022, 03:15:28 PM
Interest rates up to 2.25%

Struggling to understand how upping the interest rates will bring down inflation which is currently being driven by lack of supply and corporate greed rather than too much demand.

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 22, 2022, 03:29:10 PM
Interest rates up to 2.25%

Struggling to understand how upping the interest rates will bring down inflation which is currently being driven by lack of supply and corporate greed rather than too much demand.

Interest rate increases increase the amount paid on borrowings.  For companies this means that they might not go through with new borrowings, thus reducing growth prospects or reduces their profits as they pay more on debt repayments.  Ultimately this will lead to job losses which results in less money being spent on the high street and shops.
And people who do have jobs are paying more on their mortgages so that's another driver for reducing spent.

So it is pretty nasty (in human terms) but ultimately it's the lever that the central banks use to create "demand destruction", with the result that prices fall and inflation gets back "under control".

Of course, had they printed less money over the last 10 days they could have avoided this seemingly being the only solution open to the Powers That Be.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 03:44:20 PM
The bit that gets me - all this money is basically in the hands of the large corporations. The excess money in society is in the profits of large corporations. It's not in the hands of joe public.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on September 22, 2022, 03:54:50 PM
Cant remember the exact quote but last week i read theres a misconception that the UK is a rich nation, there are a few very rich people at the top while the standard of living for the majority is quite low
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 03:57:08 PM
It is very skewed and just getting more and more skewed.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 03:57:59 PM
Cant remember the exact quote but last week i read theres a misconception that the UK is a rich nation, there are a few very rich people at the top while the standard of living for the majority is quite low

As long as you've enough for a fish supper and crate of beer!!

I'm really needing to look at spending!! two daughters at college away from home and prices going through the roof!! Beans and toast for the year
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: clarshack on September 22, 2022, 04:00:10 PM
Pity anyone who bought their first home in the past 2 - 3 years with an LTV of +90%, they are in for a big shock when their current mortgage deal ends.

Maybe the 'You'll Own Nothing by 2030' Conspiracy isn't that far fetched after all.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 11:34:58 AM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...

"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"

It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shŪt they still need UC to survive..

We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 23, 2022, 11:48:46 AM
They're basically taking the piss now.

They don't care.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 23, 2022, 11:51:36 AM
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Armagh18 on September 23, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...

"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"

It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shŪt they still need UC to survive..

We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
Iím all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money theyíre milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 12:03:04 PM
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.

The rise in NI was meant to pay for Social Care reform, that now either isn't happening (my bets on this one) or they're borrowing to fund it..

With the £ dropping vrs the $ then expect wholesale oil prices to go up and with that everything else...
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 23, 2022, 12:11:38 PM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...

"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"

It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shŪt they still need UC to survive..

We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
Iím all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money theyíre milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.

It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: screenexile on September 23, 2022, 12:24:56 PM
Bananas... scrapping the 45p tax rate is blatant cronyism.

The Stamp Duty cut is blatant cronyism.

Scrapping bankers bonus cap . . . Scrapping the rise in corporation tax... all cronyism!

I could go on... the net effect of all the cuts is the increase in price we'll have to pay for energy given how much STG has tanked against the Dollar!!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 23, 2022, 12:25:42 PM
It's criminal tbh. Not one f**k do they give.

Trickle down economics my arse.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 12:25:54 PM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...

"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"

It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shŪt they still need UC to survive..

We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
Iím all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money theyíre milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.

It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.

And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.

Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 23, 2022, 12:30:34 PM
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.

The rise in NI was meant to pay for Social Care reform, that now either isn't happening (my bets on this one) or they're borrowing to fund it..

With the £ dropping vrs the $ then expect wholesale oil prices to go up and with that everything else...

We have no Gov in NI so we'll see no benefit from the Social Care reform. Scrapping the tax on something we'll not benefit from is welcomed in my view.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Armagh18 on September 23, 2022, 12:58:14 PM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...

"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"

It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shŪt they still need UC to survive..

We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
Iím all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money theyíre milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.

It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.

And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.

Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy
100% agree. Would break your heart.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 01:08:38 PM
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.

The rise in NI was meant to pay for Social Care reform, that now either isn't happening (my bets on this one) or they're borrowing to fund it..

With the £ dropping vrs the $ then expect wholesale oil prices to go up and with that everything else...

We have no Gov in NI so we'll see no benefit from the Social Care reform. Scrapping the tax on something we'll not benefit from is welcomed in my view.

Oh, that's ok then....  ::)
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 23, 2022, 01:18:14 PM
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.

The rise in NI was meant to pay for Social Care reform, that now either isn't happening (my bets on this one) or they're borrowing to fund it..

With the £ dropping vrs the $ then expect wholesale oil prices to go up and with that everything else...

We have no Gov in NI so we'll see no benefit from the Social Care reform. Scrapping the tax on something we'll not benefit from is welcomed in my view.

Oh, that's ok then....  ::)

People made their choice at the last Stormont election. They overwhelming voted for parties who will not or cannot work together. They will have to just get on with it now.
I have huge sympathy for those in work who cannot make ends meet but this is the reality. It's going to be a long hard winter and but there is some personal responsibility to be borne by people.

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...

"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"

It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shŪt they still need UC to survive..

We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
Iím all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money theyíre milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.

It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.

And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.

Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy

Yes o have sympathy for everyone  here . Those working and those not. Itís criminal the cost of heating , fuel  etc.

But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 01:20:47 PM
Scrapping the planned rise in Corp Tax and Nat Ins is definitely welcomed.

The rise in NI was meant to pay for Social Care reform, that now either isn't happening (my bets on this one) or they're borrowing to fund it..

With the £ dropping vrs the $ then expect wholesale oil prices to go up and with that everything else...

We have no Gov in NI so we'll see no benefit from the Social Care reform. Scrapping the tax on something we'll not benefit from is welcomed in my view.

Oh, that's ok then....  ::)

I think people take out of the budget that's suits them and their income, It may not be the 'right' thing to say but I'm only in control of my family and if the budget suits then selfishly as it may sound it works (I'm all right jack)

The money has never been dished out fairly, by any government, how do you keep 70 million people happy?  Even when exposed the Tories have no morale's and will continue to do this, they have been in government for 12 years, they can't blame anyone but themselves for the continuous f**k ups, this isnt a previous governments problem they are fixing, the country voted them in and now they are suffering for it, and the dicks will vote them back in again

At this stage in life (for me) is about getting to the end line, staying employed for the next 12 years or more will be the target..
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 01:21:43 PM
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 01:32:55 PM
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 23, 2022, 01:45:16 PM
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 01:47:00 PM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...

"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"

It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shŪt they still need UC to survive..

We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
Iím all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money theyíre milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.

It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.

And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.

Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy

Yes o have sympathy for everyone  here . Those working and those not. Itís criminal the cost of heating , fuel  etc.

But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

I have zero sympathy for those that can work but choose not to work.
Choose being the key word here.

If they are struggling this winter why should they get assistance or indeed sympathy?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Armagh18 on September 23, 2022, 02:04:21 PM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...

"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"

It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shŪt they still need UC to survive..

We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
Iím all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money theyíre milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.

It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.

And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.

Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy

Yes o have sympathy for everyone  here . Those working and those not. Itís criminal the cost of heating , fuel  etc.

But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors
As Iíve said before itís a drop in the ocean compared to money being wasted/embezzled elsewhere but people who simply refuse to work should be getting nothing.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Franko on September 23, 2022, 02:18:26 PM
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:

For context, the Trident spend is £205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Mike Tyson on September 23, 2022, 02:23:08 PM
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is £205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here

So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 02:33:19 PM
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is £205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here

So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?

Or a third the yearly cost of the Track and Trace process set up by Tory benefactor Dodi Harding, but look over there at the benefits cheat....

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Armagh18 on September 23, 2022, 02:38:16 PM
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is £205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here

So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?
Iíd be for taxing the absolute bejayus out of every penny the energy companies make and also introducing a price per unit cap thatís affordable. But that doesnít mean it doesnít piss me off that Jimmy up the road is lying on his arse and earning as much as Mary next door who is working.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 23, 2022, 02:39:18 PM
Kwarsi Kwarteng (sic) just giving the very highest earners a 5p tax cut, not touching the mega profits of the energy companies is some giveaway to the Tory party donors whilst the £ tanks against the $...

"We need to encourage people to join the labour market. We will make work pay by reducing people's benefits if they don't fulfil their job search ...we'll ask 120k more people on Universal Credit to take active steps to seek...work or...have their benefits reduced"

It must be lost on him that a lot of people on Universal Credit are already working but the pay is that shŪt they still need UC to survive..

We are indeed part of a high risk right wing social experiment that will cost poor people their lives this winter...
Iím all for cutting benefits to people who refuse to work, but the money theyíre milking from the system is peanuts compared to what Johnson siphoned off to his cronies over covid or what energy companies are fleecing us for. Genuinely feel sorry for people that are working full time in some shitty job for peanuts and having to chose between food and heat.

It's the In work poverty. Families both with jobs, paying childcare and with rising energy costs are seeing disposable incomes squeezed. That's were the poverty is. Unemployed will notice no difference. They never had money and never worked. The state always provided. It those who are trying but can't make ends meet who need the help.

And that is the real problem here.
Busting your ballix all week and still cant eat & heat.

Those that choose not to work - zero sympathy

Yes o have sympathy for everyone  here . Those working and those not. Itís criminal the cost of heating , fuel  etc.

But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

I have zero sympathy for those that can work but choose not to work.
Choose being the key word here.

If they are struggling this winter why should they get assistance or indeed sympathy?
Because it won't stop there
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX8szNPgrEs
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on September 23, 2022, 02:47:11 PM
Is there anyone who is actually worse off with this budget?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 23, 2022, 02:47:20 PM
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is £205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here

So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?

Or a third the yearly cost of the Track and Trace process set up by Tory benefactor Dodi Harding, but look over there at the benefits cheat....

You can be unhappy about both you know.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 02:47:32 PM
Any form of ripping the arse out of it needs looked at.. The government has been doing that for years in whatever political coat they have on, and to a man I don't know of anyone who has half a brain would think they don't.. What's been done to fix it? Nothing, as they will say "oh we'll lose that company" and "they bring in a lot of employment to the area"

All of which is very true, but ultimately wrong with regards getting the proper amount of tax back... before becoming a teacher my wife worked in a accountancy firm doing tax, christ the amount of money business people were able to claim for, legally, was criminal!!!

The system is broke, and people can whinge if they want about the lazy hoors or the paid off CEO's of companies paying the bare minimum in tax while making huge profits on the back of the products they are selling.

Enlightening people about these companies or contracts given to them is not new information..
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 23, 2022, 02:47:45 PM
Is there anyone who is actually worse off with this budget?

The Government
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 02:48:28 PM
Is there anyone who is actually worse off with this budget?

The Government

I'll let ya know next week when I get paid!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 02:49:17 PM
Is there anyone who is actually worse off with this budget?

The Government

Which is of course the taxpayer after the next election.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Franko on September 23, 2022, 02:52:49 PM
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is £205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here

So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?
Iíd be for taxing the absolute bejayus out of every penny the energy companies make and also introducing a price per unit cap thatís affordable. But that doesnít mean it doesnít piss me off that Jimmy up the road is lying on his arse and earning as much as Mary next door who is working.

Indeed - but if your 'pissed off' levels were relative, you'd be so angry at the stroking you are getting on other fronts that you wouldn't even notice that Jimmy wasn't working

You, Jimmy, Mary (and all of us here) are on the same team - we're all just plebs to those guys

But Murdoch and Rothermere have force fed you a diet of shit so whilst you and Jimmy are fighting in the street, and Mary's out grafting, they're in robbing your house
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 23, 2022, 02:53:44 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/money/martin-lewis-mortgage-savings-warning-28062915
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on September 23, 2022, 02:59:53 PM
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is £205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here

So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?

Or a third the yearly cost of the Track and Trace process set up by Tory benefactor Dodi Harding, but look over there at the benefits cheat....

You can be unhappy about both you know.

You certainly can, but most of your ire should be directed at those at the high end who either "avoid" tax or pay off the politicians to do them favours which run into billions of taxpayers money.


The Telegraph is offering up ways of reducing your heating bills this winter including reinsulating your house which anyone who's struggling to pay their bills will have enough disposable income to cover....

Heartless hoors.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Franko on September 23, 2022, 03:01:31 PM
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is £205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here

So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?

Or a third the yearly cost of the Track and Trace process set up by Tory benefactor Dodi Harding, but look over there at the benefits cheat....

You can be unhappy about both you know.

You can indeed... but I must have missed your angry series of posts about the other ones
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Armagh18 on September 23, 2022, 03:07:21 PM
But those not  working , you  have to ask if it is  worthwhile  a person /couple doing a weeks work and being  worse off, Or maybe 30-40 quid  better off.? Is it worth it for that  much gain? Youíd  have to say  no . Itís not just that everyone not working are lazy hoors

Anyone that is happier to receive money from the work of other people rather than earn it themselves is a lazy hoor.

But its ok for others to work and get that extra 30-40 quid.. Anyone not working and able to work is a lazy hoor end of, if you have a disability that stops you from working then that's ok, though there are plenty of people that are employed that have disabilities (my brother works for people who have disabilities and want to work)

Anyone who doesn't want to work and doesn't take money from the government then happy days, they are ok lazy hoors

I don't think anyone is saying people with Disabilities or those who genuinely cannot work are lazy. What we can all agree on is that people who are fit and able to work but choose not to and instead "work" the system are lazy hoors. This is a very small part of the population though. Tiny. And in comparison the money the Tories dished out to their mates it is probably quite insignificant.

Correct - a drop in the ocean

Front the government's own estimates (which you can guarantee will not be low-balled);


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=This%20report%20provides%20estimates%20of,overpayments%20was%20%C2%A38.6%20billion

This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.
The main points from the report are:
  • 4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error
    the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion
    1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error
    the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

For context, the Trident spend is £205billion

But yet, on a thread about the cost of living, we are prattling on about benefit cheats

With the bigger picture being completely missed

The Daily Mail's work is well and truly done here

So roughly a months profit for the energy companies?
Iíd be for taxing the absolute bejayus out of every penny the energy companies make and also introducing a price per unit cap thatís affordable. But that doesnít mean it doesnít piss me off that Jimmy up the road is lying on his arse and earning as much as Mary next door who is working.

Indeed - but if your 'pissed off' levels were relative, you'd be so angry at the stroking you are getting on other fronts that you wouldn't even notice that Jimmy wasn't working

You, Jimmy, Mary (and all of us here) are on the same team - we're all just plebs to those guys

But Murdoch and Rothermere have force fed you a diet of shit so whilst you and Jimmy are fighting in the street, and Mary's out grafting, they're in robbing your house
Agree with you completely. The majority of us canít see the wood from the trees. Itís a whole lot easier to point out the easy targets scamming the system at a lower level. They all should be called out though
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fionntamhnach on September 23, 2022, 03:12:41 PM
Broken Britain.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Franko on September 23, 2022, 03:15:29 PM
Is there anyone who is actually worse off with this budget?

The Government

Which is of course the taxpayer after the next election.

It's always the taxpayer - the only question is the date on the invoice
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 03:30:08 PM
This is a cost of living thread so my comments are directed at people who will struggle with the cost of living but refuse to work.

No idea what the daily mail comments are about.

The UK government are a shower of robbing tramps - jail would be too good for many of them fuc*s. But I am sure there is a thread about how they lined their own pockets and that of their cohorts over the years.

I am allowed to call out lazy bastids at the same time - and that is what they are - lazy bastids who deserve zero sympathy or assistance
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 23, 2022, 03:33:38 PM
This is a cost of living thread so my comments are directed at people who will struggle with the cost of living but refuse to work.

No idea what the daily mail comments are about.

The UK government are a shower of robbing tramps - jail would be too good for many of them fuc*s. But I am sure there is a thread about how they lined their own pockets and that of their cohorts over the years.

I am allowed to call out lazy bastids at the same time - and that is what they are - lazy bastids who deserve zero sympathy or assistance
It's capital versus labour. It doesn't matter how hard you work. You will get also get shafted.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 03:52:52 PM
This is a cost of living thread so my comments are directed at people who will struggle with the cost of living but refuse to work.

No idea what the daily mail comments are about.

The UK government are a shower of robbing tramps - jail would be too good for many of them fuc*s. But I am sure there is a thread about how they lined their own pockets and that of their cohorts over the years.

I am allowed to call out lazy bastids at the same time - and that is what they are - lazy bastids who deserve zero sympathy or assistance
It's capital versus labour. It doesn't matter how hard you work. You will get also get shafted.

Unless you are in a company that pays you well for hard work and effort. though getting paid well means I get shafted by HMRC  ;D

Ah feck it
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Franko on September 23, 2022, 04:12:13 PM
This is a cost of living thread so my comments are directed at people who will struggle with the cost of living but refuse to work.

No idea what the daily mail comments are about.

The UK government are a shower of robbing tramps - jail would be too good for many of them fuc*s. But I am sure there is a thread about how they lined their own pockets and that of their cohorts over the years.

I am allowed to call out lazy bastids at the same time - and that is what they are - lazy bastids who deserve zero sympathy or assistance
It's capital versus labour. It doesn't matter how hard you work. You will get also get shafted.

Unless you are in a company that pays you well for hard work and effort. though getting paid well means I get shafted by HMRC  ;D

Ah feck it

Lol

You're stamping the cards 50hrs a week and getting a few grand a month for it

I'd venture we're all in the same middle class boat

But don't be under any illusions - you're getting screwed
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 04:26:31 PM
Protests tommorow in dublin id say not many will show up or it will be hijacked by far right  or far left types or people will moan saying in their posh dublin voice saying why are these people not working despite it being on a Saturday.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Taylor on September 23, 2022, 04:30:24 PM
No doubt we are all getting screwed - but if you work you have a (slightly?) better chance of getting through this shit show.

Those that decide they want to lie on their arse - feck em
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: AustinPowers on September 23, 2022, 05:39:17 PM
As someone said  earlier , people  not working and claiming a few quid  is  the low lying fruit compared to the billionaires /  politicians cronies ..higher up the Food chain

I donít understand the ire directed at  those claiming/not working  . And just because someone seems to be sitting on their arse, you donít really know their circumstances./health situation. 

Anyway , I really  couldnít give a shiny shite what Johnny down the road  does or doesnít do, if he works or not, claims or not.  Whatís it to me?  Itís none of My business.  Good luck to Johnny , heís only trying to get by  like the rest of us .

 If he was dishing out drugs to our kids , well thatís a different story . Then weíd have something to complain about.  But claiming a few pennies , who gives a shite
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 05:56:36 PM
No doubt we are all getting screwed - but if you work you have a (slightly?) better chance of getting through this shit show.

Those that decide they want to lie on their arse - feck em


what about people that dont work but go to gym often
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 05:59:19 PM
Their is lots of obese people that work and a lot of them fund drug dealers  just because someone works does not make them an autimatic angel or good community person
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: bennydorano on September 23, 2022, 06:07:01 PM
Today's Tax cuts in the UK are likely the first tax cuts that will materially worsen your financial situation.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Eire90 on September 23, 2022, 06:09:10 PM
is tax cuts not good
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: bennydorano on September 23, 2022, 06:34:05 PM
is tax cuts not good

Short term they put money in your pocket & in theory more money into the economy  but in the current inflationary spiral it mightn't be a good thing. Unfunded tax cuts aren't good for market confidence & might hasten a real sterling collapse, plus its going on top of already record levels of UK Government debt, interest rate rises may also be required for longer & may be sharper.

It's a gamble, it might pay off, but I haven't seen anything in any UK tory Cabinet in the past 12 years that would inspire confidence.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 06:44:45 PM
As someone said  earlier , people  not working and claiming a few quid  is  the low lying fruit compared to the billionaires /  politicians cronies ..higher up the Food chain

I donít understand the ire directed at  those claiming/not working  . And just because someone seems to be sitting on their arse, you donít really know their circumstances./health situation. 

Anyway , I really  couldnít give a shiny shite what Johnny down the road  does or doesnít do, if he works or not, claims or not.  Whatís it to me?  Itís none of My business.  Good luck to Johnny , heís only trying to get by  like the rest of us .

 If he was dishing out drugs to our kids , well thatís a different story . Then weíd have something to complain about.  But claiming a few pennies , who gives a shite

There are people that really need help, the old, the disabled, the NHS etc. But there is only so much tax that you can collect, see what is going on today, and if money is going to people who do not need it then it is not going to people who do need it.

It's a gamble, it might pay off, but I haven't seen anything in any UK tory Cabinet in the past 12 years that would inspire confidence.

it might pay off, but because of Brexit and high energy costs the real markets are not buoyant right now. It isn't thought through, it is only dogma.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 23, 2022, 06:51:27 PM
No doubt we are all getting screwed - but if you work you have a (slightly?) better chance of getting through this shit show.

Those that decide they want to lie on their arse - feck em
Your pension is in an asset bubble. Watch what happens to it when interest rates go to 6% and then 9%.
Switzerland has a referendum about the state pension scheme on Sunday. The conventional thinking says the Government is right. Increase the retirement age and VAT. But that won't fix the problem. Now is treacherous.
Sylvie Linnane said you need a few tinkers if you want to win an all Ireland. You do.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: armaghniac on September 23, 2022, 08:17:14 PM
The Shinners, People against People and other lefties characterise the Irish government as Tories. However, I'd say that the Irish budget next week will not be in the same style as this one.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: screenexile on September 24, 2022, 12:23:11 AM
is tax cuts not good

Not if your currency takes a nosedive against the dollarÖ the tax gains that those earning below £150k have made are effectively wiped out in the weakness of the £ having to buy fuel in USD!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 12:29:13 AM
is tax cuts not good

Not if your currency takes a nosedive against the dollarÖ the tax gains that those earning below £150k have made are effectively wiped out in the weakness of the £ having to buy fuel in USD!

Seemed tiered, £150,000 gets the best but £100,000 saves £1,500 over the year and drops as you go down
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 24, 2022, 01:20:34 AM
Looks like Truss made the wrong move, as she was well warned of the problems it would bring before hand.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 08:32:16 AM
Looks like Truss made the wrong move, as she was well warned of the problems it would bring before hand.

I seriously think her handlers pushed her down the path in order that she got elected, puppet leader
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Armagh18 on September 24, 2022, 09:27:45 AM
The Shinners, People against People and other lefties characterise the Irish government as Tories. However, I'd say that the Irish budget next week will not be in the same style as this one.
they are fairly Tory like. But the British Tories have gone to another level in the past 10 years
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 24, 2022, 06:32:46 PM
is tax cuts not good

They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 24, 2022, 07:21:51 PM
Ai. Thatís why the pound is tanking.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: red hander on September 24, 2022, 07:26:42 PM
is tax cuts not good

They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.

Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 24, 2022, 07:31:51 PM
Itís a good budget for rich people is all it is.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on September 24, 2022, 07:32:54 PM
Itís a good budget for rich people is all it is.

It's good for anyone who works, rich or poor.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 24, 2022, 07:33:20 PM
No itís not.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: blasmere on September 24, 2022, 07:34:40 PM
Itís a good budget for rich people is all it is.

It's good for anyone who works, rich or poor.

Itís not when the pound tanks and therefore pushes up inflation further.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 24, 2022, 07:37:29 PM
Pound tanks and interest rates going up significantly. Everything becomes a lot dearer so a small tax cut isnít going to make any odds.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: AustinPowers on September 24, 2022, 07:54:46 PM
Looks like Truss made the wrong move, as she was well warned of the problems it would bring before hand.

I seriously think her handlers pushed her down the path in order that she got elected, puppet leader

They are  all puppet leaders . 
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 24, 2022, 08:20:52 PM
Itís a good budget for rich people is all it is.

It's good for anyone who works, rich or poor.

Itís not when the pound tanks and therefore pushes up inflation further.

liked your Retweet

I joined Treasury in 1979 and have never seen a fiscal stimulus this large. With Bank of England raising interest rates, economy is being driven with brake and accelerator hard down. Not ideal.

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on September 24, 2022, 09:03:39 PM
Pound tanks and interest rates going up significantly. Everything becomes a lot dearer so a small tax cut isnít going to make any odds.

In the case its bad for the rich too.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 24, 2022, 09:04:54 PM
Not if their hedge funds are betting against the pound.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: red hander on September 24, 2022, 09:15:38 PM
Pound tanks and interest rates going up significantly. Everything becomes a lot dearer so a small tax cut isnít going to make any odds.

In the case its bad for the rich too.

Withdraw kid. You're out of your depth.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on September 25, 2022, 09:45:59 AM
Pound tanks and interest rates going up significantly. Everything becomes a lot dearer so a small tax cut isnít going to make any odds.

In the case its bad for the rich too.

Withdraw kid. You're out of your depth.

Ha! You haven't a notion about me.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on September 25, 2022, 09:48:41 AM
Not if their hedge funds are betting against the pound.

Anyone can open an IG Forex account and short the pound if they want, rich or poor.
You can even get it as an app on your phone.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 25, 2022, 09:53:07 AM
There is the small matter of not having the money to do it if you are poor. If you are poor you are unlikely to have hedge fund investments.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Under Lights on September 25, 2022, 10:38:53 AM
The Pound tanking is a nightmare for the cost of oil and petrol. Oil is priced in USD for a weak pound makes it very expensive
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on September 25, 2022, 10:46:24 AM
The Pound tanking is a nightmare for the cost of oil and petrol. Oil is priced in USD for a weak pound makes it very expensive

Yep.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on September 25, 2022, 10:51:39 AM
Not if their hedge funds are betting against the pound.

Anyone can open an IG Forex account and short the pound if they want, rich or poor.
You can even get it as an app on your phone.


It also helps if you go to a meeting in London attended by the PM a week before you announce a budget that shorter the £...
Guess what  a load of people in the room made million's on Friday.
Did your app send you an invite?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on September 25, 2022, 11:05:17 AM
Not if their hedge funds are betting against the pound.

Anyone can open an IG Forex account and short the pound if they want, rich or poor.
You can even get it as an app on your phone.


It also helps if you go to a meeting in London attended by the PM a week before you announce a budget that shorter the £...
Guess what  a load of people in the room made million's on Friday.
Did your app send you an invite?

It did not . But there were news articles about this last week. It was widely believed a Truss tax cuts budget would hammer the pound temporarily.
They were right and people with their eyes open made money.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 25, 2022, 11:51:19 AM
Yes. Rich people with their eyes open.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on September 25, 2022, 11:58:00 AM
Yes. Rich people with their eyes open.

Im sorry I cant be holed talking to you anymore.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 25, 2022, 12:35:36 PM
Funny I was thinking the exact same about you so that works well  :D
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on September 25, 2022, 12:38:30 PM
Lads. Lads. LADS

Ah fcuk yis ive shit o me own to deal with

LADS
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 25, 2022, 02:06:05 PM
Youse are sore on the rich men.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 25, 2022, 03:09:43 PM
https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/living/2022/0921/1324607-20-tips-for-saving-money-on-your-grocery-shopping/
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 26, 2022, 03:53:27 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-09-14/terrible-inflation-data-and-a-big-market-selloff-make-bad-news-for-everyone?leadSource=uverify%20wall
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Franko on September 26, 2022, 04:11:09 PM
is tax cuts not good

They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.

This aged well.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on September 26, 2022, 05:22:13 PM
is tax cuts not good

They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.

This aged well.

Maybe trailer is in the 1% and rolling in it and won't be relying on the NHS or social care in his twilight years...
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: lenny on September 26, 2022, 06:03:19 PM
is tax cuts not good

They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.

This aged well.

Maybe trailer is in the 1% and rolling in it and won't be relying on the NHS or social care in his twilight years...

Scandanavian countries have the highest taxation rates in the world and yet they regularly are rated the best countries to live in with regard to contentment among citizens.  Thatís because people know their taxes are going to provide really high quality public services including excellent health care systems and care for the elderly.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 26, 2022, 06:39:26 PM
And prisons!! Scandinavian prisons best .. well there was a documentary on it with some aul Tory mp visiting them
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 26, 2022, 07:01:55 PM
Pound at itís lowest ever against the dollar today  :(
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on September 26, 2022, 07:18:14 PM
is tax cuts not good

They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.

This aged well.

Maybe trailer is in the 1% and rolling in it and won't be relying on the NHS or social care in his twilight years...

Scandanavian countries have the highest taxation rates in the world and yet they regularly are rated the best countries to live in with regard to contentment among citizens.  Thatís because people know their taxes are going to provide really high quality public services including excellent health care systems and care for the elderly.

They also have an excellent work ethic. If you applied their tax structure to here there'd be nobody in work.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 26, 2022, 07:53:29 PM
is tax cuts not good

They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.

This aged well.

Maybe trailer is in the 1% and rolling in it and won't be relying on the NHS or social care in his twilight years...

Scandanavian countries have the highest taxation rates in the world and yet they regularly are rated the best countries to live in with regard to contentment among citizens.  Thatís because people know their taxes are going to provide really high quality public services including excellent health care systems and care for the elderly.
Swedish citizens are not very happy bunnies these days. The far right is in the ascendant.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: toby47 on September 27, 2022, 09:12:44 AM
The shopping bill is going up a tenner a week at this rate.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RedHand88 on September 27, 2022, 09:16:27 AM
Banks are starting to pull mortgages. It's starting. I have a few friends and family members house hunting at the moment and I'm pleading with them to wait a year until after the inevitable crash.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 27, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
is tax cuts not good

They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.

This aged well.

We sell a fair bit overseas so that has worked for me to be honest. The Euro took a tumble as well against the dollar so it's not just a UK problem. Turn off the news. It'll be ok.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 27, 2022, 09:31:20 AM
The shopping bill is going up a tenner a week at this rate.

A tenner? Its wild the amount has changed so much over the last year... Lidil is even getting expensive
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on September 27, 2022, 09:39:22 AM
is tax cuts not good

They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.

This aged well.

We sell a fair bit overseas so that has worked for me to be honest. The Euro took a tumble as well against the dollar so it's not just a UK problem. Turn off the news. It'll be ok.

Unless whatever you make is sourced purely from the local market then you'll feel the devaluing of the £ when you go to bring in materials outside the UK which I'd hazard a guess most businesses do then plus with oil being priced in $'s expect your transportation costs, energy costs to take yet another hike upwards..

yes, if you sell your product priced in £ vrs Ä or $ then it'll look more competitive to those markets.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 27, 2022, 09:48:02 AM
is tax cuts not good

They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.

This aged well.

We sell a fair bit overseas so that has worked for me to be honest. The Euro took a tumble as well against the dollar so it's not just a UK problem. Turn off the news. It'll be ok.

Unless whatever you make is sourced purely from the local market then you'll feel the devaluing of the £ when you go to bring in materials outside the UK which I'd hazard a guess most businesses do then plus with oil being priced in $'s expect your transportation costs, energy costs to take yet another hike upwards..

yes, if you sell your product priced in £ vrs Ä or $ then it'll look more competitive to those markets.

Ours is a service so no manufacturing inputs.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on September 27, 2022, 09:49:40 AM
is tax cuts not good

They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.

This aged well.

We sell a fair bit overseas so that has worked for me to be honest. The Euro took a tumble as well against the dollar so it's not just a UK problem. Turn off the news. It'll be ok.

Unless whatever you make is sourced purely from the local market then you'll feel the devaluing of the £ when you go to bring in materials outside the UK which I'd hazard a guess most businesses do then plus with oil being priced in $'s expect your transportation costs, energy costs to take yet another hike upwards..

yes, if you sell your product priced in £ vrs Ä or $ then it'll look more competitive to those markets.

Ours is a service so no manufacturing inputs.

That's the modern way and if you're a multinational with HQ outside of the UK you'll be easier to pay now as well    ;)
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 27, 2022, 02:20:44 PM
Sterling has fallen one third since Brexit. UK disposable income per head is 2,000 lower than French now. 
At least the North is still in the Single Market.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: AustinPowers on September 27, 2022, 05:03:04 PM
Sterling has fallen one third since Brexit. UK disposable income per head is 2,000 lower than French now. 
At least the North is still in the Single Market.

Second year in a row thatís happened, with  almost disastrous consequences



Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Franko on September 27, 2022, 05:09:11 PM
is tax cuts not good

They absolutely are. This is a good budget for intelligent people.

This aged well.

We sell a fair bit overseas so that has worked for me to be honest. The Euro took a tumble as well against the dollar so it's not just a UK problem. Turn off the news. It'll be ok.

"Intelligent people" and "Exporters" are not the same thing.

As you have proven  ;D
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 27, 2022, 07:27:48 PM
Ours is a service so no manufacturing inputs.

Of course that makes you completely immune to the effects of power & energy costs... and of wage inflation. Also, in the longer term, your completely isolated from the education system - and don't need to provide health insurance to employees as the NHS is there.

If your "services" are reliant on software licences, then their base price usually isn't in GBP - even if what you were quoted is.

But its a budget for the intelligent.  ::)

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Sinn Fein need to get someone that is not directly connected to them to show how much better off someone in NI would be looking back 6 months and looking forward 6 months if they were part of the Republic than the UK.

If it's a significant amount - you'd expect it to give floating voters something to really think about.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 28, 2022, 08:27:43 AM
Glad I work in Free State, a good budget to offset some of the horrendous effects on living in the UK under their mini budget.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 28, 2022, 09:12:31 AM
Ours is a service so no manufacturing inputs.

Of course that makes you completely immune to the effects of power & energy costs... and of wage inflation. Also, in the longer term, your completely isolated from the education system - and don't need to provide health insurance to employees as the NHS is there.

If your "services" are reliant on software licences, then their base price usually isn't in GBP - even if what you were quoted is.

But its a budget for the intelligent.  ::)

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Sinn Fein need to get someone that is not directly connected to them to show how much better off someone in NI would be looking back 6 months and looking forward 6 months if they were part of the Republic than the UK.

If it's a significant amount - you'd expect it to give floating voters something to really think about.

Of course I'm not.
In regards to Education and the NHS people are going to have to suck it up in NI. They have voted overwhelming in favour of parties who won't or can't work together. That is a responsibility they will have to bear. You can't go out and vote for political parties based on the constitutional argument then complain when you can't get to see a doctor or if your school is under funded. We are getting exactly the government we deserve for voting in imbeciles.

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Dougal Maguire on September 28, 2022, 09:42:14 AM
Sterling has fallen one third since Brexit. UK disposable income per head is 2,000 lower than French now. 
At least the North is still in the Single Market.
Farrage et al were overjoyed when blue passports returned and boasted about the welcome return of the crown symbol on pint glasses. The laugh is theyíre now so skint they wonít have any use for either of these
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 09:45:06 AM
The likes of Farage is not skint though. I would suspect there are many behind the scenes influences with boys like this and he is far from skint.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 28, 2022, 09:48:49 AM
Ours is a service so no manufacturing inputs.

Of course that makes you completely immune to the effects of power & energy costs... and of wage inflation. Also, in the longer term, your completely isolated from the education system - and don't need to provide health insurance to employees as the NHS is there.

If your "services" are reliant on software licences, then their base price usually isn't in GBP - even if what you were quoted is.

But its a budget for the intelligent.  ::)

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Sinn Fein need to get someone that is not directly connected to them to show how much better off someone in NI would be looking back 6 months and looking forward 6 months if they were part of the Republic than the UK.

If it's a significant amount - you'd expect it to give floating voters something to really think about.

Of course I'm not.
In regards to Education and the NHS people are going to have to suck it up in NI. They have voted overwhelming in favour of parties who won't or can't work together. That is a responsibility they will have to bear. You can't go out and vote for political parties based on the constitutional argument then complain when you can't get to see a doctor or if your school is under funded. We are getting exactly the government we deserve for voting in imbeciles.

Years of sectarian blindness,
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on September 28, 2022, 10:30:09 AM
The likes of Farage is not skint though. I would suspect there are many behind the scenes influences with boys like this and he is far from skint.

Not sure about that or why would he be offering a service to do messages for people for £70 a pop or the likes.

He's a patsy for the big money men but they'll disown him in the drop of a hat.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 28, 2022, 10:35:59 AM
Im just glad for FF/FG
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 10:42:41 AM
The likes of Farage is not skint though. I would suspect there are many behind the scenes influences with boys like this and he is far from skint.

Not sure about that or why would he be offering a service to do messages for people for £70 a pop or the likes.

He's a patsy for the big money men but they'll disown him in the drop of a hat.

He is that but there is a bit more to that boy than meets the eye I suspect.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on September 28, 2022, 11:18:36 AM
The likes of Farage is not skint though. I would suspect there are many behind the scenes influences with boys like this and he is far from skint.

Not sure about that or why would he be offering a service to do messages for people for £70 a pop or the likes.

He's a patsy for the big money men but they'll disown him in the drop of a hat.

He is that but there is a bit more to that boy than meets the eye I suspect.

He's a devious hoor, Bannon and the likes knew he was of value to him and his projects and a destabilising force, but there was always that very right wing underbelly of the Tory's and British society as a whole and they feed off that, stir it up and watch the devastation and division take hold...

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 11:23:34 AM
It is really something watching it unfold. It would almost be funny were we not in the middle of it and were it not so detrimental to so many.

Jesus like how long did Truss take to wreck the place. It'd have happened way sooner were it not for the queen dying too.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on September 28, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
Oh, and the IMF are "left wing" and in the control of the EU.

If you think the IMF are left wing you gotta ask yourself if you're that far right that fascism is within touching distance.

It is really something watching it unfold. It would almost be funny were we not in the middle of it and were it not so detrimental to so many.

Jesus like how long did Truss take to wreck the place. It'd have happened way sooner were it not for the queen dying too.

Truss is going a fantastic job if you're a venture capitalist and whilst she's now in hiding the BoE is having to cover for them by covering Gov debt..

UK is a basket case.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 28, 2022, 11:28:28 AM
Oh, and the IMF are "left wing" and in the control of the EU.

If you think the IMF are left wing you gotta ask yourself if you're that far right that fascism is within touching distance.

It is really something watching it unfold. It would almost be funny were we not in the middle of it and were it not so detrimental to so many.

Jesus like how long did Truss take to wreck the place. It'd have happened way sooner were it not for the queen dying too.

Truss is going a fantastic job if you're a venture capitalist and whilst she's now in hiding the BoE is having to cover for them by covering Gov debt..

UK is a basket case.

And this is why she was a cert to get the top job, well backed by those that matter.. puppet and the strings are like big fecking ropes you'd use when tying up a ship!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 11:42:58 AM
Oh, and the IMF are "left wing" and in the control of the EU.

If you think the IMF are left wing you gotta ask yourself if you're that far right that fascism is within touching distance.

It is really something watching it unfold. It would almost be funny were we not in the middle of it and were it not so detrimental to so many.

Jesus like how long did Truss take to wreck the place. It'd have happened way sooner were it not for the queen dying too.

Truss is going a fantastic job if you're a venture capitalist and whilst she's now in hiding the BoE is having to cover for them by covering Gov debt..

UK is a basket case.

Tory government. It has to be undone but can't be for 2 years. The half of them should be locked up.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: AustinPowers on September 28, 2022, 12:11:55 PM
Oh, and the IMF are "left wing" and in the control of the EU.

If you think the IMF are left wing you gotta ask yourself if you're that far right that fascism is within touching distance.

It is really something watching it unfold. It would almost be funny were we not in the middle of it and were it not so detrimental to so many.

Jesus like how long did Truss take to wreck the place. It'd have happened way sooner were it not for the queen dying too.

Truss is going a fantastic job if you're a venture capitalist and whilst she's now in hiding the BoE is having to cover for them by covering Gov debt..

UK is a basket case.

And this is why she was a cert to get the top job, well backed by those that matter.. puppet and the strings are like big fecking ropes you'd use when tying up a ship!

I think one thing weíve learnt  over the last few years ( if not before) is  that  theyíre all  puppets . Thereís a cabal of  billionaire gangsters  behind the scenes pulling the strings , buying and selling politicians and governments .  Thatís who  really runs the show .  Democracy is an  illusion

Itís like someone said a  few pages back -  governments used to at least pretend they  cared about the poor/working class.  They donít   even pretend  anymore  as seen with that Tory budget
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: armaghniac on September 28, 2022, 12:14:14 PM
Sinn Fein need to get someone that is not directly connected to them to show how much better off someone in NI would be looking back 6 months and looking forward 6 months if they were part of the Republic than the UK.

If it's a significant amount - you'd expect it to give floating voters something to really think about.

You do realise that they do not want to do this? Such a comparison would undermine their contention that everyone in the 26 counties was banjaxed. Likewise they claim to want a United Ireland, which will cost money, while at the same time advocating blowing the 26 county budget so that there will be no capacity left to help with unity.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: bennydorano on September 28, 2022, 12:27:56 PM
Bank of England steps in. Further humiliation for Truss & Kwasi. When the dust settles it should at least stabilise things.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63056188
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: yellowcard on September 28, 2022, 12:44:50 PM
A lot of the damage has been done by Brexit but that won't get mentioned by lots of right wing media. You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig and the UK has been in a sinking downward spiral ever since that momentous day. The ERG led Tories enabled by a cabal of billionaire media moguls have exacerbated things further by putting their own self interests before that of the country as a whole. It's irreversible now though and they have left behind a deeply divided country both culturally and economically. Economies worldwide are likely to go into deep recession for a few years but few will have fallen or taken as much of a credibility bump as the UK. It could all turn very nasty for the Tory party if the people start revolting when the harsh economic reality bites for more and more people.   
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 28, 2022, 12:59:12 PM
This aint good
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Kidder81 on September 28, 2022, 01:03:07 PM
Truss had actually built up some goodwill with the energy price package for households
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: keep her low this half on September 28, 2022, 01:11:37 PM
Truss had actually built up some goodwill with the energy price package for households
See how long that lasts when it is wiped out by rising mortgages, all so the bankers can get their bonuses and pay less tax on it!!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: johnnycool on September 28, 2022, 01:13:37 PM
Truss had actually built up some goodwill with the energy price package for households

No she hadn't.

You and I are going to be paying for it over many years when the obvious answer was to tax the huge profits in the energy sector.

not only did she let them away scot free, she also allowed the opening up of more oil and gas exploration in the North Sea and fracking in England with some bullshit excuse about energy security when every man and his dog knows that this will be sold on the global market with SFA going towards the UK ordinary Joe.

The Germans nationalise their power companies, the French already had theirs nationalised but Truss and Co double down on their free market ideology which is screwing the UK businesses and consumers to the absolute wall.


Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fionntamhnach on September 28, 2022, 01:49:23 PM
The behaviour of the current UK government over the past week has been no accident by those at the top. As it has been there/here for the best past of a decade, it's a case of "follow the money", and little of this "money" is for the lack of a better term, natively British - indeed an awful lot of it comes from outside of Europe. Brexit was the first notable stage in all of this and at the current stage the UK is well on the path to being stage-managed by disaster capitalism. Having Truss & Kwarteng in as the public faces is little more than a shield for the faceless planners in question.

And yes, money has driven the British government for as long as anyone can remember, including the Labour governments under Atlee - but none of them have had been as willing puppets to economically hard-right think tanks & political pressure groups as they have in place right now.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 01:55:44 PM
A lot of the damage has been done by Brexit but that won't get mentioned by lots of right wing media. You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig and the UK has been in a sinking downward spiral ever since that momentous day. The ERG led Tories enabled by a cabal of billionaire media moguls have exacerbated things further by putting their own self interests before that of the country as a whole. It's irreversible now though and they have left behind a deeply divided country both culturally and economically. Economies worldwide are likely to go into deep recession for a few years but few will have fallen or taken as much of a credibility bump as the UK. It could all turn very nasty for the Tory party if the people start revolting when the harsh economic reality bites for more and more people.   

I would fully expect civil unrest tbh.

Fionntamhnach I would agree with everyone you say there. Does anyone think these people wouldn't have known the impact that budget would have? They are far from stupid - they are as rotten a government as you could get. This is just the money side - all workers rights are looking to be stripped for striking etc and then there's the human rights side they're trying to strip down too. Rotten.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:02:05 PM
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fionntamhnach on September 28, 2022, 02:09:39 PM
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.

This is a good budget for intelligent people.
Turn off the news. It'll be ok.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Armagh18 on September 28, 2022, 02:10:29 PM
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.
You must be sitting comfortably. How are people going to pay mortgages/rents that are going to go through the roof? Let alone gas/oil/electric bills that are soaring as wel.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: yellowcard on September 28, 2022, 02:12:01 PM
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.

This is a good budget for intelligent people.
Turn off the news. It'll be ok.

Fingers in the ears stuff. It brings to mind the time Boris came over and told the business leaders to bin the Brexit customs forms and that there would be no checks. Just forget about it and it will all go away!
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: toby47 on September 28, 2022, 02:16:35 PM
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.
You must be sitting comfortably. How are people going to pay mortgages/rents that are going to go through the roof? Let alone gas/oil/electric bills that are soaring as wel.

People feeling the squeeze already & winter hasn't even hit. Never mind the people coming out of fixed term mortgages who are going to be crippled by payments, or landlords coming out of fixed terms/variable mortgages who will have to skyrocket rent.

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 28, 2022, 02:18:33 PM
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.

Its going to cost me a lot more, so give over will you, empathy not your thing, i cant remember this gloom since early 80s
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 28, 2022, 02:25:43 PM
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.

Ah so hundreds of pounds a month additional outgoings will be grand for everyone so.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: lenny on September 28, 2022, 02:31:02 PM
f**k me you'd think we were all going to be living on the streets starving to listen to some of the nonsense here. Disaster capitalism, right wing think tanks. Log off for a while lads.

Ah so hundreds of pounds a month additional outgoings will be grand for everyone so.

If everyone is having to find a few hundred extra each month I could see quite a few having to hand big cars/jeeps back to go for more affordable options. My monthly payments arenít too bad and I donít intend to change car for a while. Some of those big range rovers/jags/Porsches though must have massive monthly payments.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: toby47 on September 28, 2022, 02:34:46 PM
In 2 years - Diesel has went from £1.14 a litre to £1.80(ish)
Heating oil £0.25/litre to £1
Bag of coal from £5.50 to £17

The jump in the month figure of those 3 increases alone in my house is scary. Well over £300 a month extra on diesel alone for me & the wife. On top of everything else, the extra cost of electric, the shopping bill gone through the roof, the cost of a few pints/night out etc. Thankfully we are in a decent position  at the moment, however if a recession kicked in & god forbid, one of us lost our jobs, it would be panic. Average people are really starting to feel the squeeze, never mind people on low incomes & single parents, I hear conversations at work of people getting it really tough at the moment, it's happening.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 28, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 28, 2022, 02:53:52 PM
In 2 years - Diesel has went from £1.14 a litre to £1.80(ish)
Heating oil £0.25/litre to £1
Bag of coal from £5.50 to £17

The jump in the month figure of those 3 increases alone in my house is scary. Well over £300 a month extra on diesel alone for me & the wife. On top of everything else, the extra cost of electric, the shopping bill gone through the roof, the cost of a few pints/night out etc. Thankfully we are in a decent position  at the moment, however if a recession kicked in & god forbid, one of us lost our jobs, it would be panic. Average people are really starting to feel the squeeze, never mind people on low incomes & single parents, I hear conversations at work of people getting it really tough at the moment, it's happening.

Was walking around the town where I work earlier today, and prices for stuff even in BM Bargins was through the roof, but still a lot cheaper for some items you'd get in lets say a Tesco shop..

Fuel in some places at the minute for petrol anyways was sitting at 1.47 locally for me

Got 500 liters though the other day, £485!!, Id a few weeks left in the tank but thought I'd get some.. might last till xmas
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fionntamhnach on September 28, 2022, 02:55:53 PM
Heating oil £0.25/litre to £1

In fairness that was thanks to a freakish set of circumstances back in the Spring of 2020 where worldwide pandemic restrictions hit oil consumption heavily that those stocking barrel reserves had no room left (you can't just stop pumping crude oil at the flick of a switch) and in some cases were paying people to take their surplus. It was down to almost US$20 a barrel for a while for Brent Crude.

Back to today, and the BoE measures haven't had a desired effect on the pound sterling, it's still falling against other major currencies - BBC GBP to USD https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cx250jmk4e7t/pound-sterling-gbp

And also, if anyone else tries to palm you off with "but the Euro is falling too!" switch the option on the BBC link above to GBP/EUR and set the graph to one month or longer.

To bring it all into perspective, the Turkish Lira - which has been regarded as an inflationary joke of a currency in the last nine months or so - has strengthened against the GBP by around 5-6% in the last week. https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=TRY&view=1W
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Armagh18 on September 28, 2022, 03:43:36 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.
Sure thatís grand then
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: toby47 on September 28, 2022, 03:50:37 PM
In 2 years - Diesel has went from £1.14 a litre to £1.80(ish)
Heating oil £0.25/litre to £1
Bag of coal from £5.50 to £17

The jump in the month figure of those 3 increases alone in my house is scary. Well over £300 a month extra on diesel alone for me & the wife. On top of everything else, the extra cost of electric, the shopping bill gone through the roof, the cost of a few pints/night out etc. Thankfully we are in a decent position  at the moment, however if a recession kicked in & god forbid, one of us lost our jobs, it would be panic. Average people are really starting to feel the squeeze, never mind people on low incomes & single parents, I hear conversations at work of people getting it really tough at the moment, it's happening.

Was walking around the town where I work earlier today, and prices for stuff even in BM Bargins was through the roof, but still a lot cheaper for some items you'd get in lets say a Tesco shop..

Fuel in some places at the minute for petrol anyways was sitting at 1.47 locally for me

Got 500 liters though the other day, £485!!, Id a few weeks left in the tank but thought I'd get some.. might last till xmas

Yeah en-route to work today I saw diesel as a GO station for 1.71 and the highest was £1.86 at a garage.

I also got 600L of heating the other day for £522, a very good rate through work.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 28, 2022, 05:40:08 PM
Many people don't have the margins to cope with inflation.


Twitter
Deardra 

@Barnabybear70

Dairy manor butter spread was 1.89 a tub a cple of months ago. It slowly crept up to 2.99 which it was until today when it jumped to 3.49. That's 50p. No way

@lidl_ni

that's too big a jump specially when the gold spread isn't really going up at all.

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Last Man on September 28, 2022, 07:54:40 PM
Many people don't have the margins to cope with inflation.


Twitter
Deardra

@Barnabybear70

Dairy manor butter spread was 1.89 a tub a cple of months ago. It slowly crept up to 2.99 which it was until today when it jumped to 3.49. That's 50p. No way

@lidl_ni

that's too big a jump specially when the gold spread isn't really going up at all.
If you understood what that muck does to your insides you wouldnít begrudge the cost of real butter. Either that or eat dry bread. Not that I would normally advocate eating bread. It will keep starvation at bay until the springtime
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 10:14:55 AM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.

Sometimes itís ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Donít be like Truss, donít double down on your mistake.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 29, 2022, 10:33:09 AM
Wee Sammy was all for the mini  budget. So was Isabel Oakeshott. The DUP are the useful idiots thall i Sasana
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:37:17 AM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.

Sometimes itís ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Donít be like Truss, donít double down on your mistake.

Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 10:50:45 AM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.

Sometimes itís ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Donít be like Truss, donít double down on your mistake.

Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.

If thatís the level of your economic knowledge, Iíd give this thread a swerve.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 29, 2022, 10:54:50 AM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.

Sometimes itís ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Donít be like Truss, donít double down on your mistake.

Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.

I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!

One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.

Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.


Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 29, 2022, 10:58:12 AM
You're probably right about the last part.

The middle part completely escapes the fact that the tax cuts were not particularly significant for struggling people and have had significantly detrimental implications.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: yellowcard on September 29, 2022, 10:58:15 AM
The predictions were that Truss would oust Johnson as the worst UK prime minister in living memory and she is certainly living up to that bill which takes some doing. Listening to her being interviewed this morning and she is so wooden and robotic it is painful. She has no answer only to blame Putin! I think she is only a puppet however and was put forward as leader to become the sacrificial lamb for the ERG section of the party.

I'm convinced that this UK government will not last its full term and that the ERG were aware that their goose is almost cooked. The Tories are on the road to being obliterated at the next election and it will be delightful to watch it unfold as they are among some of the biggest vultures in society. History will not be kind to them and rightfully so but unfortunately thousands of ordinary people will be left picking up the can for their self interest and ineptitude.       
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Armagh18 on September 29, 2022, 11:02:56 AM
How in the utter f**k cutting the 45% tax for the top earners and unrestricting bankers bonuses in the times weíre in is allowed I donít know.

All weíre missing is let them eat cake.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 29, 2022, 11:04:33 AM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.

Sometimes itís ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Donít be like Truss, donít double down on your mistake.

Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.

I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!

One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.

Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.

Says the man on GAA board talking about the news on a weekly basis
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: yellowcard on September 29, 2022, 11:09:59 AM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.

Sometimes itís ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Donít be like Truss, donít double down on your mistake.

Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.

I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!

One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.

Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.

Stop digging, you're convincing nobody but yourself. Just because you might not be affected, the majority of people will be and its a stressful time for people who are struggling to pay the bills. Telling people to not get worked up is just rubbing salt in the wounds.   
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 29, 2022, 11:16:45 AM
How in the utter f**k cutting the 45% tax for the top earners and unrestricting bankers bonuses in the times weíre in is allowed I donít know.

All weíre missing is let them eat cake.

How many people do you know paying the top rate (45%) of tax? You realise they will still pay 40% tax? Like it's not just as if they are scrapping tax altogether.
Restricting Banker's bonuses was just playing to the crowd after the financial crash. Those jobs will go to places were bonuses are unrestricted or they will just increase the base salaries to get around it. Bankers won't lose out that's for sure. Lots of those well paying City jobs left because of Brexit. This is a play to get them back.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 11:21:49 AM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.

Sometimes itís ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Donít be like Truss, donít double down on your mistake.

Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.

I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!

One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.

Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.

You decided to double down. I actually thought you had more about you. Youíve demonstrated that you donít really follow economics. If you think your right and the rest of the financial markets are wrong, then Iíd suggest you pass all responsibility for your current finances to your kids or dog. They will fare better.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 29, 2022, 11:29:40 AM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.

Sometimes itís ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Donít be like Truss, donít double down on your mistake.

Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.

I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!

One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.

Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.

You decided to double down. I actually thought you had more about you. Youíve demonstrated that you donít really follow economics. If you think your right and the rest of the financial markets are wrong, then Iíd suggest you pass all responsibility for your current finances to your kids or dog. They will fare better.

I don't see it as being right or wrong. The economy was going to be in a very sticky position either way. Surely you can see that, people's energy bills are going to be astronomical this winter. Do you think that there shouldn't be supports in place for that?

What is the alternative is what I am asking?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 11:53:01 AM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.

Sometimes itís ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Donít be like Truss, donít double down on your mistake.

Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.

I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!

One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.

Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.

You decided to double down. I actually thought you had more about you. Youíve demonstrated that you donít really follow economics. If you think your right and the rest of the financial markets are wrong, then Iíd suggest you pass all responsibility for your current finances to your kids or dog. They will fare better.

I don't see it as being right or wrong. The economy was going to be in a very sticky position either way. Surely you can see that, people's energy bills are going to be astronomical this winter. Do you think that there shouldn't be supports in place for that?

What is the alternative is what I am asking?

Tax energy companies, continue to tax the rich. Donít go against Fairly basic financial market recommendations. We were going to be in a bad spot along with everyone else. Weíve now weakened the currency in addition to the global circumstances that are outside our control. And it was obvious what was goi g to happen. Economists predicted it ffs. You know this but donít want to back down on your initial comment ref the budget as it makes you look a bit clueless. Itís a clusterf**k. I know it, you know it, the international markets know it, the IMF know it, the BOE know it. And you know what, Truss knows it too.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 29, 2022, 12:10:27 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.

Sometimes itís ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Donít be like Truss, donít double down on your mistake.

Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.

I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!

One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.

Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.

You decided to double down. I actually thought you had more about you. Youíve demonstrated that you donít really follow economics. If you think your right and the rest of the financial markets are wrong, then Iíd suggest you pass all responsibility for your current finances to your kids or dog. They will fare better.

I don't see it as being right or wrong. The economy was going to be in a very sticky position either way. Surely you can see that, people's energy bills are going to be astronomical this winter. Do you think that there shouldn't be supports in place for that?

What is the alternative is what I am asking?

Not doing the tax cut for 150k+ earners would have been a start.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Armagh18 on September 29, 2022, 12:44:44 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.

Sometimes itís ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Donít be like Truss, donít double down on your mistake.

Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.

I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!

One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.

Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.

You decided to double down. I actually thought you had more about you. Youíve demonstrated that you donít really follow economics. If you think your right and the rest of the financial markets are wrong, then Iíd suggest you pass all responsibility for your current finances to your kids or dog. They will fare better.

I don't see it as being right or wrong. The economy was going to be in a very sticky position either way. Surely you can see that, people's energy bills are going to be astronomical this winter. Do you think that there shouldn't be supports in place for that?

What is the alternative is what I am asking?

Not doing the tax cut for 150k+ earners would have been a start.
This and the bankers bonuses. Regardless of how much or how little difference these 2 things are going to make- the optics of it is terrible at a time like this. Seen earlier just as an example that premier league footballers are going to be saving about 250k a year on tax?

Great to see help going to those who need it mostÖ
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 29, 2022, 01:05:11 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.

Sometimes itís ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Donít be like Truss, donít double down on your mistake.

Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.

I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!

One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.

Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.

You decided to double down. I actually thought you had more about you. Youíve demonstrated that you donít really follow economics. If you think your right and the rest of the financial markets are wrong, then Iíd suggest you pass all responsibility for your current finances to your kids or dog. They will fare better.

I don't see it as being right or wrong. The economy was going to be in a very sticky position either way. Surely you can see that, people's energy bills are going to be astronomical this winter. Do you think that there shouldn't be supports in place for that?

What is the alternative is what I am asking?

Not doing the tax cut for 150k+ earners would have been a start.
This and the bankers bonuses. Regardless of how much or how little difference these 2 things are going to make- the optics of it is terrible at a time like this. Seen earlier just as an example that premier league footballers are going to be saving about 250k a year on tax?

Great to see help going to those who need it mostÖ

I agree the optics are terrible.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Gael80 on September 29, 2022, 01:08:54 PM
It'll be tough no doubt. But we've seen tough times before and we will see them again. Try not to get to worked up about it.

Sometimes itís ok to just admit that you got it wrong and the mini budget was indeed a monumental f**k up. Donít be like Truss, donít double down on your mistake.

Got up this morning, kids still went to school. I went to work. Things much the same since last Thursday.

I don't feel as if I am living in some alternate reality of disaster capitalism, were a new world order is being formed and free thoughts are outlawed, that's for sure. Maybe that's what they want me to think!

One thing for sure, cutting taxes is good. Supporting families in an energy crisis is good. What are peoples alternative ideas? Not cut energy costs?
Raise taxes. Sure, but people are already put to the pin of their collars. If you raise Corporation tax what will companies do? Swallow it? Will they f**k! They'll forward it on to the consumer. And if they can't they'll make cuts. Job cuts. And that certainly won't help families.

Turn the news off. You'll feel better. Honestly.

You decided to double down. I actually thought you had more about you. Youíve demonstrated that you donít really follow economics. If you think your right and the rest of the financial markets are wrong, then Iíd suggest you pass all responsibility for your current finances to your kids or dog. They will fare better.

I don't see it as being right or wrong. The economy was going to be in a very sticky position either way. Surely you can see that, people's energy bills are going to be astronomical this winter. Do you think that there shouldn't be supports in place for that?

What is the alternative is what I am asking?

Tax energy companies, continue to tax the rich. Donít go against Fairly basic financial market recommendations. We were going to be in a bad spot along with everyone else. Weíve now weakened the currency in addition to the global circumstances that are outside our control. And it was obvious what was goi g to happen. Economists predicted it ffs. You know this but donít want to back down on your initial comment ref the budget as it makes you look a bit clueless. Itís a clusterf**k. I know it, you know it, the international markets know it, the IMF know it, the BOE know it. And you know what, Truss knows it too.

Agree with everything you say. I might be paranoid but my concern is Truss and the government know exactly what they're doing. Faced with pension's crashing, repossessions and savings being reduced overnight, the perfect storm is set to slash public spending by ten's of Billions putting the NHS at risk and the government having the space to sell it off. The public will be distracted with their own financial concerns to notice.

Tories always wanted Brexit and I fear many in the party want to finish off the NHS as well before they then happily hand it over to Labour to deal with the fall out.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 29, 2022, 01:13:49 PM
To be fair the labour government have made a balls of the NHS during their watch also, unfortunately its not sustainable in its current state, if you want a good NHS then it has to be funded somewhere? Yes you guessed it more tax to pay for it, if you are willing, on a normal wage, to pay over 40% plus all the other taxes we pay then it might make a small dent in what's required.

Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Kidder81 on September 29, 2022, 01:15:32 PM
 :-\Truss was a remainer too
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Gael80 on September 29, 2022, 01:20:42 PM
To be fair the labour government have made a balls of the NHS during their watch also, unfortunately its not sustainable in its current state, if you want a good NHS then it has to be funded somewhere? Yes you guessed it more tax to pay for it, if you are willing, on a normal wage, to pay over 40% plus all the other taxes we pay then it might make a small dent in what's required.

Yes and no, Labour did make mistakes but media allowed the narrative Labour made a balls of it. The reality is if Labour didn't win in 1997 the NHS wouldn't have survived another two or three years. The Tories had pretty much finished off the NHS but ran out of time. In my opinion they thought it couldn't survive but rightly or wrongly Blair and Labour found significant funding to save and improve it. The same situation is playing out but this time I fear the Tories won't allow it to be saved which is what we're seeing play out now.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Last Man on September 29, 2022, 01:26:27 PM
To be fair the labour government have made a balls of the NHS during their watch also, unfortunately its not sustainable in its current state, if you want a good NHS then it has to be funded somewhere? Yes you guessed it more tax to pay for it, if you are willing, on a normal wage, to pay over 40% plus all the other taxes we pay then it might make a small dent in what's required.
You can throw as much money as you like at it, may as well throw it in a hole. Until we get to a point where we start treating the patient and not the disease it will be as fcuked as ever. Even doctors are sick of it. In 10 years time there wonít be enough clinicians to dole out the current protocols and pills.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Gael80 on September 29, 2022, 01:32:50 PM
To be fair the labour government have made a balls of the NHS during their watch also, unfortunately its not sustainable in its current state, if you want a good NHS then it has to be funded somewhere? Yes you guessed it more tax to pay for it, if you are willing, on a normal wage, to pay over 40% plus all the other taxes we pay then it might make a small dent in what's required.
You can throw as much money as you like at it, may as well throw it in a hole. Until we get to a point where we start treating the patient and not the disease it will be as fcuked as ever. Even doctors are sick of it. In 10 years time there wonít be enough clinicians to dole out the current protocols and pills.

I totally agree it isn't just about money, it's about goverance and managing it starting at primary care level. In my opinion we need to save it though and not just say the system is broken. A look at dentistry is a snapshot of life without the NHS.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 29, 2022, 01:37:17 PM
To be fair the labour government have made a balls of the NHS during their watch also, unfortunately its not sustainable in its current state, if you want a good NHS then it has to be funded somewhere? Yes you guessed it more tax to pay for it, if you are willing, on a normal wage, to pay over 40% plus all the other taxes we pay then it might make a small dent in what's required.
You can throw as much money as you like at it, may as well throw it in a hole. Until we get to a point where we start treating the patient and not the disease it will be as fcuked as ever. Even doctors are sick of it. In 10 years time there wonít be enough clinicians to dole out the current protocols and pills.

For sure people are at fault in blocking the system with self inflected health problems (as he eats a twix with a cuppa)

Unfortunately there are some illnesses that are not because of a bad diet/lifestyle and some of the fittest people I know have died, others were at deaths door because of it, those that were lucky are lucky because they got screened early and were fit enough to be operated on quickly, they were strong in their recovery also..

We still need something that can be affordable (for nothing) that will help the likes of the cancer screenings/treatments and medications to live longer

I've no answer to this btw , we can only look after ourselves health wise as best we can and hope everyone will do the same
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Last Man on September 29, 2022, 01:55:45 PM
To be fair the labour government have made a balls of the NHS during their watch also, unfortunately its not sustainable in its current state, if you want a good NHS then it has to be funded somewhere? Yes you guessed it more tax to pay for it, if you are willing, on a normal wage, to pay over 40% plus all the other taxes we pay then it might make a small dent in what's required.
You can throw as much money as you like at it, may as well throw it in a hole. Until we get to a point where we start treating the patient and not the disease it will be as fcuked as ever. Even doctors are sick of it. In 10 years time there wonít be enough clinicians to dole out the current protocols and pills.

For sure people are at fault in blocking the system with self inflected health problems (as he eats a twix with a cuppa)

Unfortunately there are some illnesses that are not because of a bad diet/lifestyle and some of the fittest people I know have died, others were at deaths door because of it, those that were lucky are lucky because they got screened early and were fit enough to be operated on quickly, they were strong in their recovery also..

We still need something that can be affordable (for nothing) that will help the likes of the cancer screenings/treatments and medications to live longer

I've no answer to this btw , we can only look after ourselves health wise as best we can and hope everyone will do the same
Thatís not what I mean exactly, how modern medicine including lifestyle advice is practiced is directed by drugs and medical equipment companies and captured science. Good health is not good for the bottom line. Itís about keeping people just sick enough to keep it all going. To make worse the global economy is underpinned by it also so there probably is no answer at this stage. Weíre just screwed
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 29, 2022, 02:38:33 PM
To be fair the labour government have made a balls of the NHS during their watch also, unfortunately its not sustainable in its current state, if you want a good NHS then it has to be funded somewhere? Yes you guessed it more tax to pay for it, if you are willing, on a normal wage, to pay over 40% plus all the other taxes we pay then it might make a small dent in what's required.
You can throw as much money as you like at it, may as well throw it in a hole. Until we get to a point where we start treating the patient and not the disease it will be as fcuked as ever. Even doctors are sick of it. In 10 years time there wonít be enough clinicians to dole out the current protocols and pills.

For sure people are at fault in blocking the system with self inflected health problems (as he eats a twix with a cuppa)

Unfortunately there are some illnesses that are not because of a bad diet/lifestyle and some of the fittest people I know have died, others were at deaths door because of it, those that were lucky are lucky because they got screened early and were fit enough to be operated on quickly, they were strong in their recovery also..

We still need something that can be affordable (for nothing) that will help the likes of the cancer screenings/treatments and medications to live longer

I've no answer to this btw , we can only look after ourselves health wise as best we can and hope everyone will do the same
Thatís not what I mean exactly, how modern medicine including lifestyle advice is practiced is directed by drugs and medical equipment companies and captured science. Good health is not good for the bottom line. Itís about keeping people just sick enough to keep it all going. To make worse the global economy is underpinned by it also so there probably is no answer at this stage. Weíre just screwed

Disaster capitalism. New world order. Consumer droids. George Soros, Illuminati. Jim Corr.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 29, 2022, 03:05:52 PM
The budget was bollocks - admit it. The rest of the world has. You don't have to be Jim Corr to think that.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 29, 2022, 03:20:40 PM
The budget was bollocks - admit it. The rest of the world has. You don't have to be Jim Corr to think that.

Your kinda Jim Corr if you donít tbh.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: seafoid on September 29, 2022, 03:25:34 PM
Some fabulous bargains in Ballymena coming up thanks to Liz and the DUP

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11262629/Couple-forced-sell-rates-hit-7-calculator-shows-repayments-up.html
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 29, 2022, 03:31:11 PM
Some fabulous bargains in Ballymena coming up thanks to Liz and the DUP

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11262629/Couple-forced-sell-rates-hit-7-calculator-shows-repayments-up.html

Daily Mail Seafoid. I'm surprised!?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 29, 2022, 03:35:27 PM
The budget was bollocks - admit it. The rest of the world has. You don't have to be Jim Corr to think that.

Your kinda Jim Corr if you donít tbh.

 ;D
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: trailer on September 29, 2022, 04:08:25 PM
The budget was bollocks - admit it. The rest of the world has. You don't have to be Jim Corr to think that.

We're all fucked. Happy?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: mackers on September 29, 2022, 04:23:19 PM
The predictions were that Truss would oust Johnson as the worst UK prime minister in living memory and she is certainly living up to that bill which takes some doing. Listening to her being interviewed this morning and she is so wooden and robotic it is painful. She has no answer only to blame Putin! I think she is only a puppet however and was put forward as leader to become the sacrificial lamb for the ERG section of the party.

I'm convinced that this UK government will not last its full term and that the ERG were aware that their goose is almost cooked. The Tories are on the road to being obliterated at the next election and it will be delightful to watch it unfold as they are among some of the biggest vultures in society. History will not be kind to them and rightfully so but unfortunately thousands of ordinary people will be left picking up the can for their self interest and ineptitude.     

In fairness, Sunak, who obviously had half an economic brain in his head for all his faults, made it clear during the leadership campaign that now was not the time for tax cuts.  He said that if he became leader he would ride out the storm before cutting taxes.  Truss made it clear that she would do so immediately so the Tory membership have a lot to answer for voting the silly bitch in.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Kidder81 on September 29, 2022, 04:58:38 PM
Canít even load up on the gas before the increased rates kick in on 1 October according to Martin Lewis, the sneaky c***ts send the new rates to the shops top up machines weeks in advance so on 1 October you will be on the hook for the new increase rate, regardless of when you bought the gas  :-\
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: yellowcard on September 29, 2022, 05:07:07 PM
The predictions were that Truss would oust Johnson as the worst UK prime minister in living memory and she is certainly living up to that bill which takes some doing. Listening to her being interviewed this morning and she is so wooden and robotic it is painful. She has no answer only to blame Putin! I think she is only a puppet however and was put forward as leader to become the sacrificial lamb for the ERG section of the party.

I'm convinced that this UK government will not last its full term and that the ERG were aware that their goose is almost cooked. The Tories are on the road to being obliterated at the next election and it will be delightful to watch it unfold as they are among some of the biggest vultures in society. History will not be kind to them and rightfully so but unfortunately thousands of ordinary people will be left picking up the can for their self interest and ineptitude.     

In fairness, Sunak, who obviously had half an economic brain in his head for all his faults, made it clear during the leadership campaign that now was not the time for tax cuts.  He said that if he became leader he would ride out the storm before cutting taxes.  Truss made it clear that she would do so immediately so the Tory membership have a lot to answer for voting the silly bitch in.

That's precisely it though. They voted in a rudderless puppet who they knew would dance to their tune most. It was never about the greater good of the country for those ERG far right types. Not that Sunak is a prospective world leader but he at least does have a decent concept of finance and almost everything that he predicted came to pass after the mini budget.   
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: imtommygunn on September 29, 2022, 06:41:06 PM
The budget was bollocks - admit it. The rest of the world has. You don't have to be Jim Corr to think that.

We're all fucked. Happy?

Weíre not all fucked but the budget was shit  ;D
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on September 29, 2022, 09:09:03 PM
Don't know if this has already been asked, but am I best to top up my electric by a couple of hundred before these price hikes?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Kidder81 on September 29, 2022, 09:22:28 PM
Don't know if this has already been asked, but am I best to top up my electric by a couple of hundred before these price hikes?

I had a post about this on up the page, you canít do it on gas. Depending on your electric meter you may be able to but they may try and claim it back


https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/prepay-top-up-trick/
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: pbat on September 29, 2022, 09:55:33 PM
Don't know if this has already been asked, but am I best to top up my electric by a couple of hundred before these price hikes?

I am with Power NI on a top up meter, I loaded my meter before the June hike and weekly usage has been the same since March. So I think it works, I going to give another significant top-up tomorrow so I will remain on the June rate into next year. 
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Ghost on September 29, 2022, 10:19:37 PM
OK folks so I had credit on my keypad meter but i thought I would try the trick of topping up more before October 1st but Electric Ireland have already sent me a long code which will automatically change the rate come October 1st so ideally I'd like to hold off on putting in the new top up and keep getting the existing credit at the lower rate but was just wondering was there a time limit I have to use the new top up by?
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: JohnDenver on September 29, 2022, 10:41:34 PM
OK folks so I had credit on my keypad meter but i thought I would try the trick of topping up more before October 1st but Electric Ireland have already sent me a long code which will automatically change the rate come October 1st so ideally I'd like to hold off on putting in the new top up and keep getting the existing credit at the lower rate but was just wondering was there a time limit I have to use the new top up by?

Not sure on the expiry length of the topup Ghost, might be worth checking in with them.

With Electric Ireland myself, had to top up in the last week and got the 40 digit code, which means I will move over to the new rates on 1st October.  My own fault for not reading the finer detail of the tariff increase emails

With your first top up from 10 September you will receive a one-off 40 digit code to enter into your keypad meter in preparation for the price increase on 1st October 2022. This will be 20 calendar days from the price change taking effect. It is important to top up your meter with the 40 digit code prior to any further top ups, as these may not be accepted until the 40 digit code has been entered.

So if I had been on the ball before 10 September, and topped up a lump sum it would have kept me on the current tariff until it ran done.

Don't know if this has already been asked, but am I best to top up my electric by a couple of hundred before these price hikes?

I am with Power NI on a top up meter, I loaded my meter before the June hike and weekly usage has been the same since March. So I think it works, I going to give another significant top-up tomorrow so I will remain on the June rate into next year. 

pbat - I would try to see when powerni topup time is, I would imagine it's already too late. If you have credit sitting you'd be as well letting it run low.
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 30, 2022, 03:38:49 PM
I see the scams are out already for cost of living benefits!! Had two messages sent to phone already today! 

Some parasites about
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on September 30, 2022, 05:15:41 PM
I see the scams are out already for cost of living benefits!! Had two messages sent to phone already today! 

Some parasites about

My daughter got them to her phone. Looking gullible people to fleece
Title: Re: Cost Of Living
Post by: tonto1888 on September 30, 2022, 08:19:36 PM
I see the scams are out already for cost of living benefits!! Had two messages sent to phone already today! 

Some parasites about

I have had a couple through myself