Galway v Tyrone Pearse Stadium 20/5/23 at 5:15pm

[inroundthesquare]

Genuine Tyrone fans are not blaming the ref for the result - they are merely pointing as did Enda McGinley on the Saturday game that Niall Morgan's black card for talking back to the ref was the first of its kind we have seen all year. Let's see if this remains the standard going forward for the remainder of the Championship.

The red card I think was a fair call due to the heavy contact to the head, however there have been incidents throughout this year, particularly highlighted in hurling games recently, where a frontal charge to the head has resulted in only a yellow card. I remember Brian Kennedy being blindsided in the same way against Armagh in the last game of the league and it was a yellow also.

The commentary around Gough stems back to the Armagh Tyrone game last year when he sent off 4 Tyrone men and 1 Armagh man for contributing to a melee. This again was an unprecedented sanction, and the talk at the time was how this was a good standard to set to stop melees in the future. When we did see similar incidents later in the year, including Galway Armagh - only one of each team were sent off.

Galway kept Tyrone at arm's length really and the result was never in doubt. For all the talk of Galway being poor they still were clinical enough in front of the posts when they needed to be.

[marty34]

Burns red a total joke. Wouldnt even say it was a free.

Are you joking?

GAA I'd say will be clamping down on any type of head shots.

There'll be zero tolerance on it.  That'll cut any grey areas out.

I'd love to know under what rule Frank Burns was sent off for breaking.

Burns knew he was in trouble straight away.

He didn't even protest.

[galwayman]

Getting into whinge territory now, only reason Tyrone lost was the ref.

Cue the gaslight brigade.  Galway were just about worthy winners and even without the red card, I think they would have got over the line. But we have to call out poor decisions and lazy reporting.

I would have the red card as a major factor, the main reason Tyrone lost was that crazy "tackle". Galway were not going well Saturday and were distinctly unimpressive in general. Had Tyrone kept 15 on the pitch they could have easily got at least a draw if not better from the game.
You can take a running jump with your "gaslight brigade" drivel though, I don't appreciate any of the connotations, wherever you are trying to go with it.

I have been on this platform for over 20 years and whilst I respect differing views, reading some of the stuff over the last few pages the tenor of the posts was distantly veering into "Gough rode us sideways and gave the opposition everything" side of things. I've no issue with complaints about the referee (and certainly not Gough) but the tone of the posts was the Gough was brutal hard on Tyrone to the point where it decided the game or that past dealings with Gough meant that Tyrone were at some disadvantage that Galway didn't have to deal with. There is no debate on the red. The black for Morgan is one thing and was harsh undoubtedly in light of what goes on in every match, but trying to bring some form of a false equivalence with Ian Burke's tackle to the Burns red, or to the couple of first half incidents while Galway were on the attack that were hardly frees at all, not to mind allegedly black cards, is laughable. Some of the pointed Tyrone 2nd half frees, which as Manning18 has rightly pointed out, were frees that were soft as f**k. The Daly one in particular was a joke of the highest order. The clearest black card offence of the day happened to Tierney directly in front of Gough and he did nothing.

You can complain about Gough all ye want but when someone calls out what sounds like whinging as whinging, don't be coming with out with this "gaslight" bullshit.

If we are talking about protecting players is that tackle of Burke's not a borderline red too? The tv cameras were far away but at game it was a dangerous heavy tackle around the neck. I thought something was brought out a few years ago to try and cut these type of challenges out.

No I didn't think it was a red at the time, watched it back there would have thought a yellow card was sufficient. Would have been a really harsh red if given and I wonder would it have been shouted for so vociferously if both sides were still at 15 each? It's nowhere near equivalent to the Burns red in any case.

https://twitter.com/MatadorIrish/status/1660573514150100993?s=20
This nonsense on Twitter seems to be the vibe from Tyrone "die hards" by the looks of it, I thought Tyrone were better than the likes of this but clearly I was wrong. You'd swear this was a Cormac Reilly 2014-esque ref performance or something. Maybe better to blame the ref for all current ills rather than wonder why a result, even with numerical disadvantage, couldn't be got against opposition that really underperformed and played one of their worst games so far this year.

It was a silly tackle from Ian Burke but thought it was a yellow. No way was it anyway near as bad as Burns'.
He was taken off at half time before he got himself sent off.

[bennydorano]

I was happy to see Morgan getting a black card, not because of any rivalry, just because I hate to see that sort of throwing a strop & trying to get someone in trouble nonsense. I really hope refs maintain consistency on this issue throughout the year - unlikely tho.

[seafoid]

Instead of moaning about Burns listen to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noDlSF22NWo&t=7569s

[trueblue1234]

Look there's always a bit of over analysis of the ref when a team loses. Tyrone aren't unique in that sense. For me, the red was a definite red. And it was the only one during the game that warranted a red.
The other decisions weren't huge. I was surprised to see the black as it is rarely given. I don't thing Morgan was that much over the top of what you see in any heated game. But by the letter of the law it's a black. Although I don't feel we'll see that many more given like that. Certainty not by anyone other than Gough.
The rest of the game was as you'd expect. Most calls went as they should.
Still feel Galway managed the game within themselves. Would that have been different 15 on 15? I don't know. Neither team looked that sharp in the early exchanges and I think Galway had certainly looked stronger in the opening 15-20 so not sure we would necessarily have won if Burns didn't get red.
For Galway, it was a solid, if underwhelming performance. But that's the sort of game that Tyrone could have pulled a draw or win out of 4-5 years ago. Galway definitely look more structured and solid than before. Think they have definitely thrown off the label of being lightweight or soft. They have a physical edge that teams need to get over the line. They have a lot to be confident about.
Tyrone need changes. Whether that comes from older heads finding form again or the new breed. But we need to work on our defensive shape. That will win games. We have forwards there who know how to score. And ones that I think will get better in the dryer days. But without a solid foundation, it won't matter.

[imtommygunn]

Burns knew it himself and the shape the boy was in coming off indicated ref right. Ian Burke tackle yellow by the rule book.

Tyrone were still not easily beat. I could see them beat Armagh

[tbrick18]

Burns was definately a red.
Morgan black was a strange one, would love to know the reason for it. If it was for backchatting the ref, surely that's a yellow.

Galway were flat, perhaps the conditions didnt suit them.
If Tyrone had watched the discipline they could have turned Galway over.
Hard to see Galway play so badly again.
Credit to Tyrone, certainly did improve from the last time out. Tyrone v Armagh is mouth watering now because up until this game I fully expected Armagh to win comfortably.

[Cavan19]

Burns was definately a red.
Morgan black was a strange one, would love to know the reason for it. If it was for backchatting the ref, surely that's a yellow.

Galway were flat, perhaps the conditions didnt suit them.
If Tyrone had watched the discipline they could have turned Galway over.
Hard to see Galway play so badly again.
Credit to Tyrone, certainly did improve from the last time out. Tyrone v Armagh is mouth watering now because up until this game I fully expected Armagh to win comfortably.

I think back chatting or giving verbals to the ref is supposed to be a black card, could be wrong on that.

[Rossfan]

I think the term in the book might be remonstrating aggressively" to official or opponent or team mate.

Don't recall it ever being used in any game.

[imtommygunn]

Burns was definately a red.
Morgan black was a strange one, would love to know the reason for it. If it was for backchatting the ref, surely that's a yellow.

Galway were flat, perhaps the conditions didnt suit them.
If Tyrone had watched the discipline they could have turned Galway over.
Hard to see Galway play so badly again.
Credit to Tyrone, certainly did improve from the last time out. Tyrone v Armagh is mouth watering now because up until this game I fully expected Armagh to win comfortably.

I thought this too. Tyrone could have got something in this game if burns had stayed on but he absolutely had to go.

They will still not be easy beat.

[Manning18]

People do realize that Jack Glynn has a suspected broken jaw? Burns may with that one action have ended the lads full summer. How on earth can there not be a punishment for it?

Everyone loves the big fair shoulder to shoulder hit. But it's been fairly clear for years now that if you dont time and make the connection perfectly accurately, you're going to be off

[Blowitupref]

Burns was definately a red.
Morgan black was a strange one, would love to know the reason for it. If it was for backchatting the ref, surely that's a yellow.

Galway were flat, perhaps the conditions didnt suit them.
If Tyrone had watched the discipline they could have turned Galway over.
Hard to see Galway play so badly again.
Credit to Tyrone, certainly did improve from the last time out. Tyrone v Armagh is mouth watering now because up until this game I fully expected Armagh to win comfortably.

Have watched 5 or 6 Galway games this year against Div 1 opposition each one of them a pure war of attrition, It's not so much playing badly but playing a way for them to win arm wrestles and character building wins if you like.

The swashbuckling style of last and previous years hasn't been seen much in 2023, maybe that will change come the business end of this championship but thus far the change of style seems to be a direct response to the big scores Galway was conceding last year against the likes of Cork,Offaly,Roscommon 3 times and Armagh.

[Whishtup]

Getting into whinge territory now, only reason Tyrone lost was the ref.

Cue the gaslight brigade.  Galway were just about worthy winners and even without the red card, I think they would have got over the line. But we have to call out poor decisions and lazy reporting.

I would have the red card as a major factor, the main reason Tyrone lost was that crazy "tackle". Galway were not going well Saturday and were distinctly unimpressive in general. Had Tyrone kept 15 on the pitch they could have easily got at least a draw if not better from the game.
You can take a running jump with your "gaslight brigade" drivel though, I don't appreciate any of the connotations, wherever you are trying to go with it.

I have been on this platform for over 20 years and whilst I respect differing views, reading some of the stuff over the last few pages the tenor of the posts was distantly veering into "Gough rode us sideways and gave the opposition everything" side of things. I've no issue with complaints about the referee (and certainly not Gough) but the tone of the posts was the Gough was brutal hard on Tyrone to the point where it decided the game or that past dealings with Gough meant that Tyrone were at some disadvantage that Galway didn't have to deal with. There is no debate on the red. The black for Morgan is one thing and was harsh undoubtedly in light of what goes on in every match, but trying to bring some form of a false equivalence with Ian Burke's tackle to the Burns red, or to the couple of first half incidents while Galway were on the attack that were hardly frees at all, not to mind allegedly black cards, is laughable. Some of the pointed Tyrone 2nd half frees, which as Manning18 has rightly pointed out, were frees that were soft as f**k. The Daly one in particular was a joke of the highest order. The clearest black card offence of the day happened to Tierney directly in front of Gough and he did nothing.

You can complain about Gough all ye want but when someone calls out what sounds like whinging as whinging, don't be coming with out with this "gaslight" bullshit.

If we are talking about protecting players is that tackle of Burke's not a borderline red too? The tv cameras were far away but at game it was a dangerous heavy tackle around the neck. I thought something was brought out a few years ago to try and cut these type of challenges out.

No I didn't think it was a red at the time, watched it back there would have thought a yellow card was sufficient. Would have been a really harsh red if given and I wonder would it have been shouted for so vociferously if both sides were still at 15 each? It's nowhere near equivalent to the Burns red in any case.

https://twitter.com/MatadorIrish/status/1660573514150100993?s=20
This nonsense on Twitter seems to be the vibe from Tyrone "die hards" by the looks of it, I thought Tyrone were better than the likes of this but clearly I was wrong. You'd swear this was a Cormac Reilly 2014-esque ref performance or something. Maybe better to blame the ref for all current ills rather than wonder why a result, even with numerical disadvantage, couldn't be got against opposition that really underperformed and played one of their worst games so far this year.

I'm referring to "only reason Tyrone lost was the ref." comment. Nobody said that or implied it.  I truly believe that Galway would have won this 15 on 15. But, rightfully or wrongfully to me Gough did us no favours there with a good few other decisions. You seem to be counterwhinging the perceived whinge.

[David McKeown]

Only got to watch the game this evening and haven't read all the comments on here. For what it's worth I thought it was two good teams who seemed to be holding a lot back. The red was stonewall I thought and not helped by Burns own reaction to the foul. He made it obvious just how bad it was. I also thought Morgan could and should have seen red although it wasn't as clear cut. A knee up to protect yourself is good goalkeeping. A foot extended in front of that knee is not. It's dangerous to both you and the opponent. I don't think his actions were deliberate but they were certainly reckless and had the foot been a few inches to the other side it would have made contact with Colmers head.