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GAA Discussion / Re: Ros v Dubs tomorrow
« on: May 31, 2023, 11:12:42 AM »
Dublin still rated as favourites for all ireland with the bookies which given the performance on Sunday and against Kildare is hard to believe.  Be interesting to see who tops the group will expect it to come down to score difference.

There's a high percentage Kerry meet the Group 2 winners (Galway favs at this point) with all the rules about no repeat group pairings, which lengthens boths price from where it could be. Mayo have rightly shortened in, and Dublin still look very likely to top their group

As proud as Roscommon can be with their performance Sunday, I'd be absolutely sick they didn't win if I was a fan. It doesn't materially change their chances of topping the group all that much, as it will now likely come down to scoring difference and Dublin have Sligo in the final game, potentially having an educated guess at how much they'll need to score. We've seen what Dublin can do to teams like this, i.e Laois, and having that game last is a huge advantage.

Roscommon's best hope may be Kildare nabbing something from this weeks game with Dublin, given Dublin's injuries

 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ros v Dubs tomorrow
« on: May 30, 2023, 09:36:30 PM »
See, no.

Itís the same rule change that was needed a few years ago to prevent teams in front from clock-killing, of which Dublin were prime exponents and Ciaran Kilkenny was executor in chief.

It was a dour way to win games when Dublin did it. Itís a dour way to stay competitive now Ros does it.

As mentioned above I have absolute respect for Ros for being competitive and disciplined.

But anyone who believes that our game would not be improved by the prevention elongated periods of non-contact possession, I honestly feel sorry for you. The Gaelic football bar now has been set so low for you, that you can gain enjoyment from a handful of passages of play, over 70 minutes. This is no way to live folks. Demand better.

There a quick fix option to help that would upset noone and it's so painfully obvious that I'm starting to second guess myself at this stage. Just go back to the defined striking action with a closed fist, same as we used to have not long ago whatsoever. Not sure why it was ever changed

It won't stop teams being able to punch it round outside the 65 when there's no press. However when there is a press, all those little easy flicks over the head, or flick backwards while your being tackled, all of a sudden become much harder to execute. It's very difficult to get a closed fistpass away accurately when someone has hands on you. It's very easy to get the little flick with the fingers away.

Team would actually then have a reason to press, having a realistic chance of a turnover. At the moment there's no point, you just tire yourself chasing shadows while the other team plays basketball only without a shot clock

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Westmeath 27/05/23 @ 4.45pm
« on: May 27, 2023, 11:49:11 PM »
What in under God was McGeeney at with the referee after the final whistle? Eejit.
no need for that, ref was trying to get off the field through the crowd and mcgeeney was determined to get some sort of point across, not the time.

Strange also as I thought Armagh got the majority of the decisions. Open to correction as it's hard to be certain, especially watching on GAA Go but a couple of the scored frees for Armagh in the first half were absolutely ridiculous calls.

Overall he seemed like a ref from the 90s, giving frees always to the player in possession when under any bit of pressure all over the field, ignoring steps and allowing frees to be taken many yards forward from the infringement. That was for and against both teams

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All about Galway this year. Ye can call it yerra or whatever you want , theyíre the team most people fancy . Sean Kelly the best defender in the land , Walsh , comer , Tierney and finnerty , first two X factor footballers other two would make any starting 15 in the country . Cian o neill has them primed for glory . If Dublin can reignite the flame , it will be some final (if avoided before final ) , canít see anyone else spoiling the party in Tuam on 31st July .

Ah Larry, dya not think it's Mayos year? The only thing stopping them all this time has been the fabled curse and that's now removed. Kieran McDonald with his one all star is the greatest player never to lift Sam. If they can only get Cillian o'Connor back fit, we all know of his prolific record from play in finals. The county never truly wanted the 2020 and 2021 finals when with covid they couldn't properly celebrate. The tin roofs from Swinford to Belmullet will be swinging when the day comes in 2 months time

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Yerra doesn't sound natural from a Connacht person ::)

Indeed. Kerry folk normally have a bucketful more nuance for starters

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If Armagh beat Westmeath, lose to Tyrone but beat Galway they'll have 4 points.
In such a scenario you'd imagine Galway will also be on 4 points if they beat Westmeath
So all three could be on 4 points having lost one match each and won the other two.

So will score difference be the deciding factor in that scenario?
As someone already said elsewhere, I suppose the team that finishes third will want to be avoiding Kerry, assuming they come second now after Mayo.
Is Burns suspended for just one game?

Score diff yep. Very realistic possibility. In that scenario you'd probably give Tyrone the slight advantage as they'll be up against Westmeath last and may know what they need, and westmeaths challenge could peter out of they know they're 100% out

But Westmeath won't be 100% out before the Tyrone game.

Only two games played each before Tyrone meet Westmeath.
And if the fixtures pan out as Fuzzman has suggested above, with two games played the league will look like this.
Galway - 4pts
Armagh - 2pts 
Tyrone - 2pts
Westmeath - 0pts

If Westmeath turn over Tyrone in that last game (big if) then you might end up with 3 teams on 2pts.

No, the scenario is that Westmeath are say 8 points down in that last game to Tyrone, know their season is over at that point, and fade away to allow Tyrone a big score, which would prove pivotal if 3 teams finished with 4 points. They're unlikely to do that late in the games v Armagh and Galway when they'll still have much to play for in the championship

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If Armagh beat Westmeath, lose to Tyrone but beat Galway they'll have 4 points.
In such a scenario you'd imagine Galway will also be on 4 points if they beat Westmeath
So all three could be on 4 points having lost one match each and won the other two.

So will score difference be the deciding factor in that scenario?
As someone already said elsewhere, I suppose the team that finishes third will want to be avoiding Kerry, assuming they come second now after Mayo.
Is Burns suspended for just one game?

Score diff yep. Very realistic possibility. In that scenario you'd probably give Tyrone the slight advantage as they'll be up against Westmeath last and may know what they need, and westmeaths challenge could peter out of they know they're 100% out

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People do realize that Jack Glynn has a suspected broken jaw? Burns may with that one action have ended the lads full summer. How on earth can there not be a punishment for it?

Everyone loves the big fair shoulder to shoulder hit. But it's been fairly clear for years now that if you dont time and make the connection perfectly accurately, you're going to be off

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Watched the first 40 minutes, I didnít see one issue with cards, calls or sending offs, mouthing at the ref is a black card, heíll not do it again. Anyone trying to defend it, is wrong.

I yellow carded someone the other week for constantly trying to tell me how to ref, needless to say he was very quiet the rest of the game. Morgan didnít just mouth but ran over like a petulant child waving and jumping. Brilliant

The red card was easy, not sure why he even consulted other than conditions underfoot and was it a slip, that could only have been his get out, but nah, seen his opportunity and didnít pull out

So were the two third -man blocks on tyrone players in first half , not black cards ?

Are you serious? The two screens while Galway were attacking? No other ref in the country would even have blown them as a foul, they're a tactic Dublin have used continuously for years (it's good attacking play tbh) and they've never been given as a black card anywhere

Have a look back at the frees which McCurry converted in the second half all from 30 yards out slightly to the left. 3 of them weren't fouls

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In very tough circumstances, especially down to 13 for a period, i thought Tyrone were impressive enough. Galway were disappointing nothwithstanding. Tyrones game management and running game, especially in the second half was impressive enough. They handled the Galway attacks well in the second half also and there were little to no goal chances. They'll be a handful for anyone going forward and I wouldn't look forward to meeting them in Croker

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I don't know who wanted more matches but here they are. They will suit a team like Tyrone who can experiment with different ideas and no jeopardy.,
Tyrone used the qualifiers to do something similar in 05 and 08. Galway can use the time to fix problems as well.

Poor enough game between 2 very defensive sides. The conditions made it a tough watch. Tyrone were very cynical and Galway werenít far behind.

Neither team are defensive. Tyrone were admirable in pressing kickouts a man down in the second half but they were hamstung by being that man down an it limited what they could do. Galway had the lead so it would be madness to not conserve it a man up. Galway were involved in the two best games of last year's championship

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Tyrone giving out about Gough is some laugh. McCurry scored 4 frees from the exact same position in the second half. One of the four was a foul

Aside from that, a poor Galway performance. Only Conroy and Sweeney excelled. Mountains to work on

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The rumour was obviously false but hey fire away with that narrative about mayo support ya wanted to get off your Chesteen . Great to have supporters though , great craic , what itís all about some would say but I understand ye are all about the all Ireland . Yer just different gravy altogether to us little old mayo wans .

Strange one to be espousing the Mayo support on the weekend they're supposedly bringing their least amount of fans for many a year to Killarney. The cost of living crises hitting hard up there? There's no soccer/rugby/hurling to distract, so it's a strange one for the self anointed "best fans in Ireland"


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Lee keegan piece would bring ya back down to earth if ya have any notions as a mayo man thinking we could pull this off . ďSignificant injury worries ď rumour too according to lee .If Enda hession , mcbrien , cillian , Carr and Tommy are all out , we really are doomed . Every year this seems to happen , if itís not Tommy it Ryan or both, Carr is more time injured than available .Something not right , does it happen other counties , perhaps some of the time but not all the fookin time .

Of course it happens with other counties. What doesn't happen with other counties is this constant "woe is me" craic you get with Mayo fans. Only 2 of those 5 you named would likely be actually starting on Mayos current best 15 and incidentally 4 of the 5 are named in tomorrow's panel.

Mayo had an incredibly easy run with injuries from 2011-2017. Since 2019 they've probably been a bit worse than the average luck wise. Every team gets them though and for Mayo to only have Brickenden and Harrison, two lads who'd be struggling to make the 26, as long term injuries is fairly good going. Over the years Dublin have had cruciate tears happen to McCaffrey, Bernard Brogan, Michael Daragh Mcauley, Kilkenny and Kevin o Brien. They just took it as par for the course and got on with it

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Any pubs in Salthill have GaaGo? Pucan in town the only place I know that has it for sure

Rob Finnerty's oul fella will surely have it set up.

Whoever's organizing has put all tickets as general admission, meaning actual normal football fans who'd like to watch another big game beforehand are probably screwed for a seat in the stand.

This somewhat new practice of GAA fans heading into games 90 mins + before throw in is odd behavior at best and a scourge at worst. Toddlers/pensioners etc aside

I assume there is no where near the ground and any chance will be in Salthill itself of getting the Mayo Kerry game?

No chance of getting enough coverage at the ground to stream it you'd imagine. Annoying that with unreserved seating you have to be in so early with a game like that on before hand. What sort of crowd would you expect on Saturday? 10-12,000 kinda thing?

Hoping the break has did Tyrone good and they've regrouped and worked on putting the defence together. I don't think we're as far of it as some people think but will be a big ask going to Galway and turning them over.

Very good chance Wards hotel or PJ Finnerty's on Salthill RD lower will have it. Reasonable chance some of the pubs in Salthill village itself will have it. Stadiums about a 7 min walk from all the above.

Mobile data is good around that area generally but up to your own circumstances obviously. I'd say 12k is a good estimate

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