Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm

Started by RedHand88, August 04, 2019, 09:27:02 PM

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Owen Brannigan

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The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


RedHand88


southtyronegael

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 20, 2019, 10:53:37 PM
Why are Mayo and Kerry "the big three"??
I'd say because they have been in more semi finals and finals than the other counties in the last 10 years.

Armagh18

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2019, 08:20:07 PM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


They're clearly not in the top 3 but they're not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I'd certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

tyroneman

Quote from: Armagh18 on August 21, 2019, 08:28:46 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2019, 08:20:07 PM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


They're clearly not in the top 3 but they're not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I'd certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

trailer

Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:39:01 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 21, 2019, 08:28:46 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2019, 08:20:07 PM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


They're clearly not in the top 3 but they're not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I'd certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

BennyHarp

Quote from: trailer on August 21, 2019, 08:49:35 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:39:01 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 21, 2019, 08:28:46 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2019, 08:20:07 PM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


They're clearly not in the top 3 but they're not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I'd certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i'll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are "deluded" about Tyrone being fourth (we'll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I'll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn't beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you'll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word "deluded" means?
That was never a square ball!!

Redhand Santa

Quote from: trailer on August 21, 2019, 08:49:35 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:39:01 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 21, 2019, 08:28:46 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2019, 08:20:07 PM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


They're clearly not in the top 3 but they're not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I'd certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

If not Tyrone I can only assume you have Donegal in the top 4 then? But Tyrone knocked Donegal out when it mattered last year, so surely that was beating a team of note? They also got further than them in the championship in 4 of the last 5 years and have beaten them in 3 of the 4 championship games played, two of them by over 5 points.

southtyronegael

Tyrone are easily in the top 5 no question. Next step is to break into the top 3.

Angelo

Top 2, 3, 4, 5 etc.

Not really a while pile in and what does it matter anyway? It's like a bunch of bald men fighting over a tooth comb. There are no prizes for being 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Dublin are going to win their 5th at a canter.
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Armagh18

Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:39:01 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 21, 2019, 08:28:46 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2019, 08:20:07 PM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


They're clearly not in the top 3 but they're not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I'd certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?
Them bateing yas?

trailer

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2019, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 21, 2019, 08:49:35 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:39:01 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 21, 2019, 08:28:46 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2019, 08:20:07 PM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


They're clearly not in the top 3 but they're not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I'd certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i'll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are "deluded" about Tyrone being fourth (we'll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I'll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn't beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you'll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word "deluded" means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

BennyHarp

Quote from: trailer on August 21, 2019, 09:58:15 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2019, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 21, 2019, 08:49:35 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:39:01 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 21, 2019, 08:28:46 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2019, 08:20:07 PM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


They're clearly not in the top 3 but they're not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I'd certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i'll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are "deluded" about Tyrone being fourth (we'll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I'll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn't beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you'll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word "deluded" means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

We beat Donegal last year.
That was never a square ball!!

Redhand Santa

Quote from: trailer on August 21, 2019, 09:58:15 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2019, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 21, 2019, 08:49:35 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:39:01 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 21, 2019, 08:28:46 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2019, 08:20:07 PM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


They're clearly not in the top 3 but they're not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I'd certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i'll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are "deluded" about Tyrone being fourth (we'll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I'll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn't beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you'll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word "deluded" means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.

trueblue1234

Quote from: Redhand Santa on August 21, 2019, 10:10:31 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 21, 2019, 09:58:15 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 21, 2019, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 21, 2019, 08:49:35 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:39:01 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 21, 2019, 08:28:46 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2019, 08:20:07 PM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


They're clearly not in the top 3 but they're not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I'd certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i'll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are "deluded" about Tyrone being fourth (we'll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I'll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn't beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you'll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word "deluded" means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.
Don't be tying him up in knots. Mickeys a specialist in failure. Fact.
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