Child Abuse on the streets

[Evil Genius]

As NI's children's commissioner Koulla Yiasouma said recently, the behaviour of those adults who encouraged young children to join in the recent street violence in Northern Ireland amounts to child abuse:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56708430

And she is entirely correct, there is absolutely no excuse for such outrageous abuse, such that the adults should be put in jail and if parents themselves, their children taken away from them for being entirely unfit.

But these recent episodes brought back to mind something which I had previously wondered about, namely the grooming of children towards violence and extremism on earlier occasions in NI. Indeed, at its worst, this exploitation has been positively glorified:



Which leads on, of course, to the whole issue eg of Na Fianna Éireann and their involvement with the Provisionals etc, or their "Loyalist" counterparts, such as the Tartan Gangs.

Or is child abuse only wrong when it is eg for sexual gratification or financial gain, but not when it's serving a particular "cause"?



https://www.irishnews.com/news/2016/11/14/news/headline-781683/

[armaghniac]

As Mary McAleese said, some people bring up their children to hate others.

[Evil Genius]

As Mary McAleese said, some people bring up their children to hate others.

Indeed.

But I'm just wondering how the rest of us should react.

[Franko]

As Mary McAleese said, some people bring up their children to hate others.

Indeed.

But I'm just wondering how the rest of us should react.

I'd suggest you/we should react in the same way you did in your opening post...

"there is absolutely no excuse for such outrageous abuse, such that the adults should be put in jail and if parents themselves, their children taken away from them for being entirely unfit."

Next.

[Milltown Row2]

Was normal growing up throwing stones/bricks then we moved on and got a job

[Tony Baloney]

Was normal growing up throwing stones/bricks then we moved on and got a job

Not everyone does though and I think that is a real problem in working class Loyalist areas. "The boys" get their claws into these lads when they are young and encourage them to hate, that there is money in crime etc. and they never experience life beyond their own area. There is no incentive for the DUP to increase the prospects of these young people as they often need a readily mobilised army of corner boys in exchange for  "community engagement funds" as we have seen through the years with Dee Stitt etc. 

[pbat]

The minute an under 18 is arrested for rioting he should be removed from the home by social services, no if or buts.

[Eamonnca1]

Is the purpose of this thread to find a solution? Or is it whataboutery? Just wondering before I proceed...

[Main Street]

Classic EG whataboutery.

[charlieTully]

Up the YCV

[Main Street]

The sunglasses are a cool add on.

Was normal growing up throwing stones/bricks then we moved on and got a job

Not everyone does though and I think that is a real problem in working class Loyalist areas. "The boys" get their claws into these lads when they are young and encourage them to hate, that there is money in crime etc. and they never experience life beyond their own area. There is no incentive for the DUP to increase the prospects of these young people as they often need a readily mobilised army of corner boys in exchange for  "community engagement funds" as we have seen through the years with Dee Stitt etc. 

Still you gotta credit MR2 for turning his back on the brick and the bottle at the age of 26 and getting himself a job.

[Milltown Row2]

The sunglasses are a cool add on.

Was normal growing up throwing stones/bricks then we moved on and got a job

Not everyone does though and I think that is a real problem in working class Loyalist areas. "The boys" get their claws into these lads when they are young and encourage them to hate, that there is money in crime etc. and they never experience life beyond their own area. There is no incentive for the DUP to increase the prospects of these young people as they often need a readily mobilised army of corner boys in exchange for  "community engagement funds" as we have seen through the years with Dee Stitt etc. 

Still you gotta credit MR2 for turning his back on the brick and the bottle at the age of 26 and getting himself a job.

You'd be a good guy to have during the day, we always needed a slow fat kid to have nearby when getting chased by the army!

[Evil Genius]

Is the purpose of this thread to find a solution? Or is it whataboutery? Just wondering before I proceed...

Classic EG whataboutery.

Two more people who use the term without understanding what it means...

For information, "Whataboutery" is where someone seeks to excuse his own wrongdoing by reference to that of another eg: "You can't blame me for stealing £5, when him over there stole £10"

I am not excusing anyone in this abomination, they're all equally to blame for being child abusers.

What I am doing is highlighting double standards, whereby one set of people who encourage children to throw petrol bombs at the police eg in Sandy Row are (quite rightly) condemned, while others who encouraged it eg in the Bogside get to "celebrate" it with a tourist attraction. 

[Milltown Row2]

So just condemn it as it is at the time and move on, drawing parallels will only bring out the exact thing you say what you are trying to avoid.

Start a thread about celebrating the bogside battles and leave it at that.

[Snapchap]

A quick google search could also have found you images of murals and flags "celebrating" the YCV and Ulster Young Militants

Maybe your Google isn't working correctly and didn't show any such images when you searched for them. You should contact Google to report the problem.