RG at arms length

[seanyb]

Is it a classic example of the GAA acknowledging that gaa managers aren't in it for just the love of the game without actually coming out and saying that?
I'm trying to think of players who have been banned for any convictions? Are the gaa, off the record, treating managers to a higher level of scrutiny than players because they are making money on their involvement with the gaa.
Whole lot of worms spilling over the place. That said, the GAA would have faced a backlash if they had done nothing as well. Sometimes there's no way to win.

I'd say you've hit the nail on the head there. I know of plenty of ex prisoners that played club football in derry, not a thing said about their past convictions.

[tonto1888]

Cheers brick. I have heard and read that many different things you dont know what to believe.

[nrico2006]

Were DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

[JoG2]

Were DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

The mob has moved on re the Gallagher's and they're the reason the GAA / Ulster council went full Ironside. We're the ones still talking about the Gallagher's, that lot (the faceless mob) haven't given them a second thought in months

[armaghniac]

Were DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

The mob has moved on re the Gallagher's and they're the reason the GAA / Ulster council went full Ironside. We're the ones still talking about the Gallagher's, that lot (the faceless mob) haven't given them a second thought in months

The point not being Gallagher, but how to cope in a world where there can be such a mob. What happens if an inter-county manager condemns the level of immigration into Ireland or states that Trans is a load of bollix?

[JoG2]

Were DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

The mob has moved on re the Gallagher's and they're the reason the GAA / Ulster council went full Ironside. We're the ones still talking about the Gallagher's, that lot (the faceless mob) haven't given them a second thought in months

The point not being Gallagher, but how to cope in a world where there can be such a mob. What happens if an inter-county manager condemns the level of immigration into Ireland or states that Trans is a load of bollix?

They wield the power these days, a crowd who's full time hobby is being angry online, most probably still living at home with their parents.

You'd hope inter county managers wouldn't be hoodwinked by the worlds billionaires and their right wing media distractions 

[Armagh18]

Were DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

The mob has moved on re the Gallagher's and they're the reason the GAA / Ulster council went full Ironside. We're the ones still talking about the Gallagher's, that lot (the faceless mob) haven't given them a second thought in months

The point not being Gallagher, but how to cope in a world where there can be such a mob. What happens if an inter-county manager condemns the level of immigration into Ireland or states that Trans is a load of bollix?

Buy him a pint?

[JoG2]

Were DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

The mob has moved on re the Gallagher's and they're the reason the GAA / Ulster council went full Ironside. We're the ones still talking about the Gallagher's, that lot (the faceless mob) haven't given them a second thought in months

The point not being Gallagher, but how to cope in a world where there can be such a mob. What happens if an inter-county manager condemns the level of immigration into Ireland or states that Trans is a load of bollix?

Buy him a pint?

"know your enemy..."

[general_lee]

Were DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?

If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?

[Main Street]

Were DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?

If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?

When  allegations of violence against women/kids are reported to the police and they start an investigation, then the GAA are obliged by charter to stand down the accused  ntil the investigation is over. This did not happen in Nicola's case. RG was not stood down while the police investigated her allegations twice, sent  the files on to the prosecutor where they were dropped. As it stands now for RG in the GAA code book world, he's free to take up any coaching appointment. I doubt if there is any process for investigating a breach of GAA ethics or what could even be defined as a breach. Possibly if there was an attack on a woman on GAA property?
 
On other matters,
a father accused of abuse being awarded custody of the kids is in itself not a vindication of the father, as the UK courts/social services  (even when presented with believable testimony) are likely to deem a spouse abusing husband a safer bet than an addicted or alcohol troubled mother. Even going for full custody is another form of abuse to punish the abused spouse.  Can an abuser expertly manipulate? does a bear shite in the woods?

[tbrick18]

Were DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?

If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?

Like any alleged crime, we let due process through the legal system take its course and stay out of it until an outcome is reached. All you have is one perspective on whatever did or did not happen and no actual facts backed up by evidence.

Like I said earlier though, it is crime dependant. If a coach is accused of something like that, I believe as part of the gaa's safeguarding policy that person should be stood down until any legal proceedings have come to an end to remove any potential risk. But if there are no legal proceedings, then there are no grounds to do anything as its just heresy imo. And if someone is tried and found not guilty, again that should be the end of it.

I could go online now and write a whole set of accusations against a coach. Doesn't mean it's true. But it seems these days that's all it takes to have someone found guilty.

All this public outrage to online claims is bound to affect legal cases adversely if the allegations are true as well. A jury, for example, could have their decision made by an online frenzy before a trial even starts. Its not fair on victims or on those wrongly accused.

[JoG2]

Were DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?

If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?

When  allegations of violence against women/kids are reported to the police and they start an investigation, then the GAA are obliged by charter to stand down the accused  ntil the investigation is over. This did not happen in Nicola's case. RG was not stood down while the police investigated her allegations twice, sent  the files on to the prosecutor where they were dropped. As it stands now for RG in the GAA code book world, he's free to take up any coaching appointment. I doubt if there is any process for investigating a breach of GAA ethics or what could even be defined as a breach. Possibly if there was an attack on a woman on GAA property?
 
On other matters,
a father accused of abuse being awarded custody of the kids is in itself not a vindication of the father, as the UK courts/social services  (even when presented with believable testimony) are likely to deem a spouse abusing husband a safer bet than an addicted or alcohol troubled mother. Even going for full custody is another form of abuse to punish the abused spouse.  Can an abuser expertly manipulate? does a bear shite in the woods?

What charter is this? Any examples of this charter being adhered to in relation to other investigations previously?

[tbrick18]

Were DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?

If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?

When  allegations of violence against women/kids are reported to the police and they start an investigation, then the GAA are obliged by charter to stand down the accused  ntil the investigation is over. This did not happen in Nicola's case. RG was not stood down while the police investigated her allegations twice, sent  the files on to the prosecutor where they were dropped. As it stands now for RG in the GAA code book world, he's free to take up any coaching appointment. I doubt if there is any process for investigating a breach of GAA ethics or what could even be defined as a breach. Possibly if there was an attack on a woman on GAA property?
 
On other matters,
a father accused of abuse being awarded custody of the kids is in itself not a vindication of the father, as the UK courts/social services  (even when presented with believable testimony) are likely to deem a spouse abusing husband a safer bet than an addicted or alcohol troubled mother. Even going for full custody is another form of abuse to punish the abused spouse.  Can an abuser expertly manipulate? does a bear shite in the woods?

What charter is this? Any examples of this charter being adhered to in relation to other investigations previously?

I'd assume he means the safeguarding policy.

I'm not sure the sequence of events describe here are correct though. It was my understanding the investigation happened long before any of these claims had been made online. So by the time his ex wife put it in the public domain the police investigation had already happened. In that case, the gaa has no grounds to do anything and also shouldn't be questioning any social services decisions around his kids.

I could be wrong g on the sequencing, but that was my understanding of what happened.

Just to reiterate though, if he was proved to have done what he was accused of, I'd be the first to say only place for him is prison.

[general_lee]

Were DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?

If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?

Like any alleged crime, we let due process through the legal system take its course and stay out of it until an outcome is reached. All you have is one perspective on whatever did or did not happen and no actual facts backed up by evidence.

Like I said earlier though, it is crime dependant. If a coach is accused of something like that, I believe as part of the gaa's safeguarding policy that person should be stood down until any legal proceedings have come to an end to remove any potential risk. But if there are no legal proceedings, then there are no grounds to do anything as its just heresy imo. And if someone is tried and found not guilty, again that should be the end of it.

I could go online now and write a whole set of accusations against a coach. Doesn't mean it's true. But it seems these days that's all it takes to have someone found guilty.

All this public outrage to online claims is bound to affect legal cases adversely if the allegations are true as well. A jury, for example, could have their decision made by an online frenzy before a trial even starts. Its not fair on victims or on those wrongly accused.

My point is, there's no use comparing ex-county player X with ex-county player Y when they're alleged to have committed two completely different offences. Stealing from an employer to feed a gambling addiction for example doesn't carry the same stigma as allegations of domestic abuse.

Each crime or alleged crime needs to be viewed on an individual basis. I also don't necessarily need a judge and jury to come to a verdict for me to have my mind made up on certain cases.

[JoG2]

Were DJ Carey, Gerard Cavlan or Darren Gleeson ever banned?

Speaking of completely irrelevant tangents; and this is purely hypothetical here... but if allegations were to emerge of a former county player/county manager committing child abuse, what happens then?

If the alleged victim was to go public on social media with a lengthy post detailing allegations dating back 27 years, do we take it at face value or do we dismiss it as one person's word against another's?

When  allegations of violence against women/kids are reported to the police and they start an investigation, then the GAA are obliged by charter to stand down the accused  ntil the investigation is over. This did not happen in Nicola's case. RG was not stood down while the police investigated her allegations twice, sent  the files on to the prosecutor where they were dropped. As it stands now for RG in the GAA code book world, he's free to take up any coaching appointment. I doubt if there is any process for investigating a breach of GAA ethics or what could even be defined as a breach. Possibly if there was an attack on a woman on GAA property?
 
On other matters,
a father accused of abuse being awarded custody of the kids is in itself not a vindication of the father, as the UK courts/social services  (even when presented with believable testimony) are likely to deem a spouse abusing husband a safer bet than an addicted or alcohol troubled mother. Even going for full custody is another form of abuse to punish the abused spouse.  Can an abuser expertly manipulate? does a bear shite in the woods?

What charter is this? Any examples of this charter being adhered to in relation to other investigations previously?

I'd assume he means the safeguarding policy.

I'm not sure the sequence of events describe here are correct though. It was my understanding the investigation happened long before any of these claims had been made online. So by the time his ex wife put it in the public domain the police investigation had already happened. In that case, the gaa has no grounds to do anything and also shouldn't be questioning any social services decisions around his kids.

I could be wrong g on the sequencing, but that was my understanding of what happened.

Just to reiterate though, if he was proved to have done what he was accused of, I'd be the first to say only place for him is prison.

This relates to the safeguarding of children though does it not?