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How many goals were there last week for such a open game with 3 always up front.

why go for goal and take it in where there is more traffic when you can take a nice 2pter under no pressure, theres junior club players hitting 2pts with ease, its not difficult. scrap the 2pts and get teams trying to work goals with the extra space from 3 up

Or just add 4 for the goal? 2pts for shots taken at the 40m arc and all frees are just 1 pts regardless they are on the pitch

but when you look at it with just 1 pt and 3 for the goal youre getting 3 times the points for going for goal, with the 4 pt goal its only twice so again its not as big an encouragement. I just dont think the 2 point adds anything, it just makes score lines bigger. if we binned the 2pter we def would see more goals. we seen more goals in the league because of the pitches and conditions, the weather being good with harder pitches makes 2pts far far easier. too easy really

Maybe, But they'll tot up the stats I'd assume over the year and hopefully see if there is merit in keeping some aspects of the new rules.. The dissent one is good though, few others are helpful, the changing of the black card for those entering a melee, they are only allowed to clear their own player out of it, and any other interference is seen as a black card, hold a player up also in the tackle is now seen as a black card, that one will be difficult as there are usually multiple players doing that..

Not fussed on the handing back the ball, its tough, no problem with impeding a player when trying to take a quick free, that's just stupid, there will be impossible positions a player will find himself in that may look like it but it has to be intentional and totally avoidable.

Kickout rule is fine, teams just have to adopt and find players that can compete and those that can win the dirty ball, still too many rules too quickly, and some rules impossible to do at club level

yeah youre prob right they will, hopefully they take it as a complete over all and take club games into consideration too as they clearly didnt when bringing the rules in.

think we could keep the 3v3, solo and go and wed have a cracking game. il hold my hand ups and say I wasnt in favour of any of the rules but these 2 have really opened the game and sped it up. I think the sickout one is unfair and harsh at club level, teams should be able to take a short kick to try and maybe take pressure off when conceding scores. 

How many goals were there last week for such a open game with 3 always up front.

why go for goal and take it in where there is more traffic when you can take a nice 2pter under no pressure, theres junior club players hitting 2pts with ease, its not difficult. scrap the 2pts and get teams trying to work goals with the extra space from 3 up

Or just add 4 for the goal? 2pts for shots taken at the 40m arc and all frees are just 1 pts regardless they are on the pitch

but when you look at it with just 1 pt and 3 for the goal youre getting 3 times the points for going for goal, with the 4 pt goal its only twice so again its not as big an encouragement. I just dont think the 2 point adds anything, it just makes score lines bigger. if we binned the 2pter we def would see more goals. we seen more goals in the league because of the pitches and conditions, the weather being good with harder pitches makes 2pts far far easier. too easy really

How many goals were there last week for such a open game with 3 always up front.

why go for goal and take it in where there is more traffic when you can take a nice 2pter under no pressure, theres junior club players hitting 2pts with ease, its not difficult. scrap the 2pts and get teams trying to work goals with the extra space from 3 up

Is football actually better after all this? No defending. Huge scores. Big deficits. Very few games going down to the wire. I'm not convinced at all.

I agree. It's been a tough watch so far. Tap and go was the only one we needed and possibly the 3 men up if they were adamant that they wanted more space in the forward line. The 2 pointer in particular is a blight on the game.

Yeah those 2 would have been plenty.

[Mickey Harte makes a good point, with having to keep 3 up there's no need for 2 pointers]

Its looks proportionally easier for players at the top level to score 2 pointers, as it should be

Mickey Harte makes a good point, with having to keep 3 up there's no need for 2 pointers

this is it, with the space with the 3 up it would encourage working goals more that working the ball round the arc for 2pts. we have inflated score lines but higher scoring doesnt really mean better. The 3 up was plenty.

Was at a game today fella scuffed a free with the wind but it bounced over the bar without a touch. 2pts or I heard ones complaining g that a bounce is 1?

[Maybe if Gallagher came out in front of the cameras and made a tearful apology celeb like he might be forgiven.]

Uh oh...

Why so? It's one thing suing someone -  winning is another thing entirely.

Would those in HQ really loose much sleep over it? Would the GAA not just hand this to their insurers?

Are the different sides in the court of public opinion likely to change? Are reputations really going to be restored or damaged by the outcome? 

At this stage Gallagher has nothing to lose but Burns does. Maybe if Gallagher came out in front of the cameras and made a tearful apology celeb like he might be forgiven. Is that what Burns wants? Doubt that is ever going to happen.

I think this is the type of thing burns was alluding to but Gallagher maintains his innocence so why would he? That's the bit that I've always had issue with, people saying he needs to apologise but if he's denying it then he's not going to.

Fair play to RG here, everyone knows burns overstepped and regardless of what happens maybe it'll make him think twice before going on a wim on serious matters

But it's the constant looking back and counting and hearing the now new cry from players and managers 'they've only 3 back' or 'two up front'

I see it I'll call it. As for the solo and go, half the ones last week the players couldn't even do a solo without them ballsing that up, it came back for a free, as for the steps, they can take 4 steps before the solo and go and get another 4 meters! Before they are tackled, which is bonkers

Yeah

But it's the constant looking back and counting and hearing the now new cry from players and managers 'they've only 3 back' or 'two up front'

I see it I'll call it. As for the solo and go, half the ones last week the players couldn't even do a solo without them ballsing that up, it came back for a free, as for the steps, they can take 4 steps before the solo and go and get another 4 meters! Before they are tackled, which is bonkers

Yeah that's why i think if it's a case of only blowing it if one of the men gets involved it might cut the complaining out. Really isn't making your job easy over something trivial.

Yeah the solo and go is far far too long, 4 steps is plenty.

In the two games, I've viewed the club refs are ignoring the keeping 3 up rules!

By and large yeah. Mainly as they are on their own and not mic'd up and everyone is claiming a team is breaking the rule!

I'm not sure how they thought this one through

Said on another thread, simple tweak that if they interfere with play it's a free from where they touched the ball/player.

Few club games I've seen the problem is the inconsistent application of the solo and go, should be 4 steps unopposed then fair game

Common sense...
Kildare v Antrim one of the Antrim lads stepped over the line.
Linesman saw him and he out the hands up.
A few roars but kildare were inside the 45 on attack, so not interfering with play.
Within the same phase a Kildare defender stepped over shouting instructions.
Not over 4m and no interference. Antrim selector goes nuts at same Linesman and they get the free when Kildare were still in attack.
It was laughable.

Should def be part of the rule about interfering with play, would make referees job easier as they don't have eyes in the back of their head.

The whole thing is a shambles.

Are we any good at scor?

Not much good news in the county at present, Cavan hurlers are relegated too.

Is this a whoosh? I don't get it what's it got to do with us

All rules relating to the 40m arc should go - the two pointer would be relevant against a blanket defence of 15 since it would in hoery mean teams have to push out to stop the threat, as it stands, it encourages play along the 45 to set up a shooter and discourages quick balls into scoring positions be they for points or goals. The enforced long kick out helps pin teams back if they can't get possession meaning a game can get one-sideed (in periods or throughout). And both rules mean that weather conditions play a far bigger part in a match than they should for any sport.

Agree, with the 3 up the more space really does away with the need for the 2pt as you say wind will be a disaster. Keep the 3 up, the solo and go and if they must the 1v1 throw in and that's it.

[I do think people are taking the 4 v 3 too literally.]

I do like most of the rules changes. 2 points for a free though is one which should go IMO

I think two points should stand but only for dissent, not for breaching the halfway line. Tap and go is good, black card for those entering a melee good, redefining the black card to include holding a player up will be difficult when sometimes its multiple players doing that in a player. Who gets the card, that will cause some gurning..

Still too many balls ups at the 4v3 rule at club level, either its not been seen or called incorrectly which drives frustration up for everyone, Club level we don't use the hooter or final play as it doesn't come into play. The timing is still done the 'old' way as is finishing the game

I do think people are taking the 4 v 3 too literally.

It'll take a few seasons for this to seep through I'd expect, but the rule hasn't been designed to punish minor indiscretions by inactive players. It has been designed to a) stop teams flooding defenders behind the ball, b) provide forward options for kick passing.

I'd suggest if referees only glance behind for a quick headcount when there's been a turnover or a shot, that's all is needed.

Yeah the theory is good but shouldn't have a game stopped because a fella crosses the line, i think as long as there is only 11 v 12 actually involved in the play it shouldn't matter, bit like soccer with offside and the interfering with play concept. It's a joke a team attacking gets called a free against because one of their players crossed the half way line yet aren't involved in the phase of play.

The solo and go is good but refs too inconsistent with it at the min and players seem to get too far as an advantage.

Antrim are shite because of scheduling of underage tournaments coupled with Sam not being able to get frothing at the mouth at his sons under 10 tournament due to there being no all ireland at that level.

There really is some balls talked on here, which would probably point more to the problem than the ridiculous points raised.

not really my point, but ok. im saying lads lose interest because our set up is lazy compared to soccer. look at soccer, clubs will have different teams to allow players to develop at their own level if its 5 a side theyll usually have 3/4 teams so players all are at a similar level, I dont see the issue in GAA doing it, if its 7 a side do it something similar. I actually dont have any kids at that age but do have nieces and nephews so have watched both girls and boys soccer and Gaelic with no dog in the fight and I just see a big difference.

I was replying to the OP about why soccer has better participation, I think that is a reason. at no stage did I mention about Antrim seniors being shite, just more how I think we lose numbers to soccer.

Soccer is the biggest team sport in Ireland

In terms of participation, association football (soccer) is the most popular team pursuit for males at 8.8% with Gaelic football attracting 3.4%. Personal exercise (at 13.4%) and running (8.9%) are the most popular.

I do believe one of the reasons for the mismatch is soccer schedules 80%+ of their juvenile matches Fri/Sat/Sun whereas Gaa requires you to get to a 6 or 6:30 throw in on a weeknight, kids in from school and out the door straight away, adults leaving work early etc. Lack of pitches and referees prevents Gaa doing the same.

to an extent yeah, big problem also is the Go Games. soccer keeps score from u7 or so where as the gas doesn't. kids arent stupid, they know if they are winning or not. I see kids losing interest in GAA to soccer at a younger age and id be pretty sure some of them are due to the nature of games. I mean how can soccer start to implement offside at u9 7 a side but we cant even have a proper tournament for u11. soccer is much better run and its not down to coaches its down to the set up.