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All rules relating to the 40m arc should go - the two pointer would be relevant against a blanket defence of 15 since it would in hoery mean teams have to push out to stop the threat, as it stands, it encourages play along the 45 to set up a shooter and discourages quick balls into scoring positions be they for points or goals. The enforced long kick out helps pin teams back if they can't get possession meaning a game can get one-sideed (in periods or throughout). And both rules mean that weather conditions play a far bigger part in a match than they should for any sport.

Agree, with the 3 up the more space really does away with the need for the 2pt as you say wind will be a disaster. Keep the 3 up, the solo and go and if they must the 1v1 throw in and that's it.

[I do think people are taking the 4 v 3 too literally.]

I do like most of the rules changes. 2 points for a free though is one which should go IMO

I think two points should stand but only for dissent, not for breaching the halfway line. Tap and go is good, black card for those entering a melee good, redefining the black card to include holding a player up will be difficult when sometimes its multiple players doing that in a player. Who gets the card, that will cause some gurning..

Still too many balls ups at the 4v3 rule at club level, either its not been seen or called incorrectly which drives frustration up for everyone, Club level we don't use the hooter or final play as it doesn't come into play. The timing is still done the 'old' way as is finishing the game

I do think people are taking the 4 v 3 too literally.

It'll take a few seasons for this to seep through I'd expect, but the rule hasn't been designed to punish minor indiscretions by inactive players. It has been designed to a) stop teams flooding defenders behind the ball, b) provide forward options for kick passing.

I'd suggest if referees only glance behind for a quick headcount when there's been a turnover or a shot, that's all is needed.

Yeah the theory is good but shouldn't have a game stopped because a fella crosses the line, i think as long as there is only 11 v 12 actually involved in the play it shouldn't matter, bit like soccer with offside and the interfering with play concept. It's a joke a team attacking gets called a free against because one of their players crossed the half way line yet aren't involved in the phase of play.

The solo and go is good but refs too inconsistent with it at the min and players seem to get too far as an advantage.

Antrim are shite because of scheduling of underage tournaments coupled with Sam not being able to get frothing at the mouth at his sons under 10 tournament due to there being no all ireland at that level.

There really is some balls talked on here, which would probably point more to the problem than the ridiculous points raised.

not really my point, but ok. im saying lads lose interest because our set up is lazy compared to soccer. look at soccer, clubs will have different teams to allow players to develop at their own level if its 5 a side theyll usually have 3/4 teams so players all are at a similar level, I dont see the issue in GAA doing it, if its 7 a side do it something similar. I actually dont have any kids at that age but do have nieces and nephews so have watched both girls and boys soccer and Gaelic with no dog in the fight and I just see a big difference.

I was replying to the OP about why soccer has better participation, I think that is a reason. at no stage did I mention about Antrim seniors being shite, just more how I think we lose numbers to soccer.

Soccer is the biggest team sport in Ireland

In terms of participation, association football (soccer) is the most popular team pursuit for males at 8.8% with Gaelic football attracting 3.4%. Personal exercise (at 13.4%) and running (8.9%) are the most popular.

I do believe one of the reasons for the mismatch is soccer schedules 80%+ of their juvenile matches Fri/Sat/Sun whereas Gaa requires you to get to a 6 or 6:30 throw in on a weeknight, kids in from school and out the door straight away, adults leaving work early etc. Lack of pitches and referees prevents Gaa doing the same.

to an extent yeah, big problem also is the Go Games. soccer keeps score from u7 or so where as the gas doesn't. kids arent stupid, they know if they are winning or not. I see kids losing interest in GAA to soccer at a younger age and id be pretty sure some of them are due to the nature of games. I mean how can soccer start to implement offside at u9 7 a side but we cant even have a proper tournament for u11. soccer is much better run and its not down to coaches its down to the set up.

Yesterday the Antrim midfielder shot outside the arc (a nive bit outsidein fairnes). Keeper misjudged and it bounced over.

Only 1 point given, but fair few thought it was misread ruling and should gave been 2 pointer.

If there was a touch on it then one point, if no touch a two pointer, though that could have changed with the new new rules rather than the old new rules 

You do a game yesterday? how you find it?

They're not banning puberty blockers - they're banning the sale of them to under 18s. (That's not a statement of any opinion but it's wrong to say that they're denying the entire trans community puberty blockers...)

Exactly, like a lot of things are banned for under 18s. I really don't see the issue here.

Poacher should be chased out of Leitrim for that last week, complete self preservation from him. I cant believe any county board would back that action.

That's the thing that has me confused- to what extent (if any) are things like this orchestrated.  McGregor is such a fundamentally unlikeable character, the immediate reaction is to dismiss anything he says.  If McGregor says it, it can't be right because he's such a bollix.  By conflation, if you happen to agree with something he says, so you're a McGregor fan boy, and you support a rapist?
Assuming it's a given that Trump is a polarising and divisive figure, then if you look at his actions and statements- how many are throwing out a kite for deflection, with statements like Greenland or Canada becoming states?  Or the threats and pivots on tariffs and relocation of multinationals?
And back to our own little cabbage patch.  The immigration industry is certainly a gravy train for some, e.g. the McEnaneys and Healy-Raes as two high-profile examples.  Just because McGregor says it doesn't automatically make it endorseable.
Had an argument with a friend recently who has been leaning increasingly to the 'far right' of late, and he was citing various podcasts (I don't do podcasts).  He reckoned sheep like me was the reason the country is going to hell.  Which is fine as an opinion,  my counter was what should we do- take over the GPO?  Sheep are important,  because they keep the show ticking along day to day, even under resentment.  If there were no sheep and everyone was militant for their own particular causes or sets of beliefs, then there would be chaos.
But sheep can be herded, and pushed a particular direction, even ultimately over a cliff.  This particular sheep is just worried because I've no idea what direction I'm being herded, or by whom, or for what outcome.

Prob a sheep myself but never thought of it that way. Lots of things i agree with on both sides of politics but it seems you're not allowed that view. I try to judge every situation on its own merits. But it's instance that everything is either far right or far left. As a society everyone seems to want to paint others as extremes, i find it really weird.

Great result today, were a bit impatient at times. Davy will get it right eventually, might be next season but it'll come.

At 44 my playing days are long gone sadly. Just as a spectator. Cheers for the replies so far

Looked at fixtures there and they play eachother 16th April, go to that and see who wins lol

In simple terms?

Assuming they get passed next week:

1 - Teams must now keep 4 back (may include the GK) and 3 up, with no exceptions when you are down a man.
2 - If the above rule is breached accidentally by a player just being 2m over the halfway line and isn't interfering in play then no free is given
3 - Explicitly says that unless you score from an attacking mark you get the ball brought back for the mark

Fair play to them, I didn't think they could balls it up more than they already have but here we are

Some people looking for 2 pointers to be from play only and not from frees.
Wouldn't that lead to an awful lot of fouls between the Arc and 45 or beyond?
As an aside - Should frees for fouls on the ball e g touching on ground, 2 hops etc be only 1 pointers while fouls on the man remain 2??

Great point, 2pts up and game on the blow other team have the ball round the arc just pull him down. I don't think we need the 2pt at all. Can live with keeper not touching ball inside his own half, like the solo and go. And if it can be worked the 3v3. They change the game, not the reat

Talk Dunloy is in Division 1?  if so, how is this possible, they didn't get promoted?  Antrim is really the worst I have ever seen, they literally make it up as they go.  Why don't they just play if your in D1 you play senior championship, D2 play intermediate championship, D3 play junior championship.  League and championship winners get promoted, its very simple. 

that's exactly what they are doing I think. its just how they are going bout it is the problem

I'm not sure about the conviction for "backcourt wouldn't work".

Here's how I see it: the biggest issue with the "old game" is that if one team has no interest in playing attacking football, then the opposition has no choice but to follow suit. And the main reason for this is the piggy in the middle problem. There's only so many times any man can make a 50m run to close off space, to see the ball kicked straight back over his head, before he will accept it's not worth it. Ciaran Kilkenny doing this on repeat in Leinster SFC games is perhaps the lowlight of the era.

What a backcourt line should do - in my mind at least - is reward a team that pushes up and forces the opposition to go forward. They may still face bouts of piggy in the middle, but those 50m runs become 25m darts and much easier to lay traps for poor passes.

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This would solve the problem I do believe, if one team is intent on playing.

If neither team is intent on playing, well I don't there's rules can help us there.

But with the keeper not being able to take the ball back inside their own half if a treat pushes up then they shouldn't really be able to play piggy in the middle and they'd be taking a massive risk in doing so. ESP in club games, the players wouldn't be good enough to do it without getting turned over, be a stupid tactic from managers for them to do it if opposition pushes up

[Definietly keep the 50 meter rule for dissent; the abuse refs get is unsustainable]

In general, the new rules have been a significant improvement on the turgid stuff we've been stuck with for the last decade. I'd scrap the forward mark, the handing the ball back to the opposition, the 2-player throw in, and the fly goalie. Definietly keep the 50 meter rule for dissent; the abuse refs get is unsustainable

Why not just book the player like in soccer? Players then walk the right rope for the rest of the game. In some cases managers will take them off rather than sent off. Much better than the moving the ball 50m

The ref should not get abuse and that is why the penalty is that harsh.  Technically, you could have numerous players giving the ref abuse and only receiving a yellow card, but the ref continues to get the abuse.  The FRC want respect for ref normalised with this rule change it would seem which is fair enough.

But sure ya could have 5 players abusing the ref after he's moved it and it's still only moved once? Same principal applies. A player booked is much worse for the team and a better deterrent.

You can also book players and have the 50 meter deterrent

Yes i get that, the point i was making is the op was stating if loads are giving off lot of times only one gets booked, I'm just pointing out the ball in certain circumstances can only be moved to the 13. I just think the soccer rule of if you're abusing the ref or obstruct the free kick or kick it away its a yellow card. It works well, we don't need the 50m

A few games in and I haven't given the 50m rule for dissent

Yeah but you tend to use some common sense and understand players get frustrated. You moved many for the not handing the ball back? What you think on that one come summer lol

Haven't done it and the odd one that 'forgot' I explained come the league this will be different and result in 50m free!

No push backs from either teams when I explained the rules. I think I know the difference between someone acting the twat or genuine mistake, unfortunately the rules don't allow for that and the gurning from the sidelines would be enough to just follow it by the letter..

There are still some that I'm constantly unsure of completely and the 3v3 rule will be impossible at club games unless I see it, have already 'fallen' for the 'they have only 2 back' calls only for it to be incorrect and I've blown and stopped attacking play!

So I'm approaching it with the attitude of if I see it I'll call it only, I don't need reminders as I'll be watching play not always looking behind me

Yeah fair play to you that is clearly the best way to approach it with a bit of common sense but as you say the rules don't give that leeway. I really don't know how you're going to do it in club. The 3v3 is going to be impossible. Good luck with it lol