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Card fees are killing smaller businesses, I'd go to markets etc a good bit and nearly everyone takes card but would prefer cash. Actually chatting to a fella and he's pulled his machine and says hasn't overly affected his trade. Was out for dinner in zen the other week and they are doing a £60 voucher for £50 if bought with cash and you can spend it then and there. Tells you how much they don't want you using card

I don't read this as a scandal so much as the legal transfer of a debt (and its repayment) from one body to another.

GAA central council were right to take on the debt. Should that then mean it's Christmas Day for Mayo? I'm not sure to be honest. They're still assuming a risk. And need to be wary of precedents.

And this is me commenting as someone who truly despises the staffing bloat / civil service mentality that central and provincial councils have created over the past 20 years.

Is the issue not that mayo are still paying off the same debt even though the GAA bought it for 2.5m less (not sure of figures) so mayo people being fleeced

Is the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?

Yes it is unfortunately for some.

Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend

[The real question though surrounds why anyone would subscribe to that belief]

How many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?

I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...

Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?

I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!

Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly

If you subscribe to the belief that every time a team has a shot (a wide or a score) then their opponent should be permitted to gain unchallenged possession, then you're correct.

The real question though surrounds why anyone would subscribe to that belief.

You mean like most team sports?

How many goals were there last week for such a open game with 3 always up front.

why go for goal and take it in where there is more traffic when you can take a nice 2pter under no pressure, theres junior club players hitting 2pts with ease, its not difficult. scrap the 2pts and get teams trying to work goals with the extra space from 3 up

Or just add 4 for the goal? 2pts for shots taken at the 40m arc and all frees are just 1 pts regardless they are on the pitch

but when you look at it with just 1 pt and 3 for the goal youre getting 3 times the points for going for goal, with the 4 pt goal its only twice so again its not as big an encouragement. I just dont think the 2 point adds anything, it just makes score lines bigger. if we binned the 2pter we def would see more goals. we seen more goals in the league because of the pitches and conditions, the weather being good with harder pitches makes 2pts far far easier. too easy really

Maybe, But they'll tot up the stats I'd assume over the year and hopefully see if there is merit in keeping some aspects of the new rules.. The dissent one is good though, few others are helpful, the changing of the black card for those entering a melee, they are only allowed to clear their own player out of it, and any other interference is seen as a black card, hold a player up also in the tackle is now seen as a black card, that one will be difficult as there are usually multiple players doing that..

Not fussed on the handing back the ball, its tough, no problem with impeding a player when trying to take a quick free, that's just stupid, there will be impossible positions a player will find himself in that may look like it but it has to be intentional and totally avoidable.

Kickout rule is fine, teams just have to adopt and find players that can compete and those that can win the dirty ball, still too many rules too quickly, and some rules impossible to do at club level

yeah youre prob right they will, hopefully they take it as a complete over all and take club games into consideration too as they clearly didnt when bringing the rules in.

think we could keep the 3v3, solo and go and wed have a cracking game. il hold my hand ups and say I wasnt in favour of any of the rules but these 2 have really opened the game and sped it up. I think the sickout one is unfair and harsh at club level, teams should be able to take a short kick to try and maybe take pressure off when conceding scores. 

How many goals were there last week for such a open game with 3 always up front.

why go for goal and take it in where there is more traffic when you can take a nice 2pter under no pressure, theres junior club players hitting 2pts with ease, its not difficult. scrap the 2pts and get teams trying to work goals with the extra space from 3 up

Or just add 4 for the goal? 2pts for shots taken at the 40m arc and all frees are just 1 pts regardless they are on the pitch

but when you look at it with just 1 pt and 3 for the goal youre getting 3 times the points for going for goal, with the 4 pt goal its only twice so again its not as big an encouragement. I just dont think the 2 point adds anything, it just makes score lines bigger. if we binned the 2pter we def would see more goals. we seen more goals in the league because of the pitches and conditions, the weather being good with harder pitches makes 2pts far far easier. too easy really

How many goals were there last week for such a open game with 3 always up front.

why go for goal and take it in where there is more traffic when you can take a nice 2pter under no pressure, theres junior club players hitting 2pts with ease, its not difficult. scrap the 2pts and get teams trying to work goals with the extra space from 3 up

Is football actually better after all this? No defending. Huge scores. Big deficits. Very few games going down to the wire. I'm not convinced at all.

I agree. It's been a tough watch so far. Tap and go was the only one we needed and possibly the 3 men up if they were adamant that they wanted more space in the forward line. The 2 pointer in particular is a blight on the game.

Yeah those 2 would have been plenty.

[Mickey Harte makes a good point, with having to keep 3 up there's no need for 2 pointers]

Its looks proportionally easier for players at the top level to score 2 pointers, as it should be

Mickey Harte makes a good point, with having to keep 3 up there's no need for 2 pointers

this is it, with the space with the 3 up it would encourage working goals more that working the ball round the arc for 2pts. we have inflated score lines but higher scoring doesnt really mean better. The 3 up was plenty.

Was at a game today fella scuffed a free with the wind but it bounced over the bar without a touch. 2pts or I heard ones complaining g that a bounce is 1?

[Maybe if Gallagher came out in front of the cameras and made a tearful apology celeb like he might be forgiven.]

Uh oh...

Why so? It's one thing suing someone -  winning is another thing entirely.

Would those in HQ really loose much sleep over it? Would the GAA not just hand this to their insurers?

Are the different sides in the court of public opinion likely to change? Are reputations really going to be restored or damaged by the outcome? 

At this stage Gallagher has nothing to lose but Burns does. Maybe if Gallagher came out in front of the cameras and made a tearful apology celeb like he might be forgiven. Is that what Burns wants? Doubt that is ever going to happen.

I think this is the type of thing burns was alluding to but Gallagher maintains his innocence so why would he? That's the bit that I've always had issue with, people saying he needs to apologise but if he's denying it then he's not going to.

Fair play to RG here, everyone knows burns overstepped and regardless of what happens maybe it'll make him think twice before going on a wim on serious matters

But it's the constant looking back and counting and hearing the now new cry from players and managers 'they've only 3 back' or 'two up front'

I see it I'll call it. As for the solo and go, half the ones last week the players couldn't even do a solo without them ballsing that up, it came back for a free, as for the steps, they can take 4 steps before the solo and go and get another 4 meters! Before they are tackled, which is bonkers

Yeah

But it's the constant looking back and counting and hearing the now new cry from players and managers 'they've only 3 back' or 'two up front'

I see it I'll call it. As for the solo and go, half the ones last week the players couldn't even do a solo without them ballsing that up, it came back for a free, as for the steps, they can take 4 steps before the solo and go and get another 4 meters! Before they are tackled, which is bonkers

Yeah that's why i think if it's a case of only blowing it if one of the men gets involved it might cut the complaining out. Really isn't making your job easy over something trivial.

Yeah the solo and go is far far too long, 4 steps is plenty.

In the two games, I've viewed the club refs are ignoring the keeping 3 up rules!

By and large yeah. Mainly as they are on their own and not mic'd up and everyone is claiming a team is breaking the rule!

I'm not sure how they thought this one through

Said on another thread, simple tweak that if they interfere with play it's a free from where they touched the ball/player.

Few club games I've seen the problem is the inconsistent application of the solo and go, should be 4 steps unopposed then fair game

Common sense...
Kildare v Antrim one of the Antrim lads stepped over the line.
Linesman saw him and he out the hands up.
A few roars but kildare were inside the 45 on attack, so not interfering with play.
Within the same phase a Kildare defender stepped over shouting instructions.
Not over 4m and no interference. Antrim selector goes nuts at same Linesman and they get the free when Kildare were still in attack.
It was laughable.

Should def be part of the rule about interfering with play, would make referees job easier as they don't have eyes in the back of their head.

The whole thing is a shambles.

Are we any good at scor?

Not much good news in the county at present, Cavan hurlers are relegated too.

Is this a whoosh? I don't get it what's it got to do with us