Adams' brother sought over alleged abuse

[lawnseed]

I thought it was liam adams who was on trial? but I've been in the Gerry moving aside camp for quite some time, not for family reasons but simply because he's now one of the obstacles to sinn fein taking the next step toward becoming the big power in irish politics. he simply not up for the cut and thrust of the filth of the dail. sorry ger you did your best

[Maguire01]

I thought it was liam adams who was on trial? but I've been in the Gerry moving aside camp for quite some time, not for family reasons but simply because he's now one of the obstacles to sinn fein taking the next step toward becoming the big power in irish politics. he simply not up for the cut and thrust of the filth of the dail. sorry ger you did your best

Liam was on trial. Do keep up.

[Leo]

I thought it was liam adams who was on trial? but I've been in the Gerry moving aside camp for quite some time, not for family reasons but simply because he's now one of the obstacles to sinn fein taking the next step toward becoming the big power in irish politics. he simply not up for the cut and thrust of the filth of the dail. sorry ger you did your best

"Roll on the dung out" as you have it... indeed.

[lawnseed]

I thought it was liam adams who was on trial? but I've been in the Gerry moving aside camp for quite some time, not for family reasons but simply because he's now one of the obstacles to sinn fein taking the next step toward becoming the big power in irish politics. he simply not up for the cut and thrust of the filth of the dail. sorry ger you did your best

Liam was on trial. Do keep up.

'you' seem to have ger on trial

hows your mate conal getting on..? whos the new 'leader in waiting'

[Maguire01]

I thought it was liam adams who was on trial? but I've been in the Gerry moving aside camp for quite some time, not for family reasons but simply because he's now one of the obstacles to sinn fein taking the next step toward becoming the big power in irish politics. he simply not up for the cut and thrust of the filth of the dail. sorry ger you did your best

Liam was on trial. Do keep up.

'you' seem to have ger on trial

As Matt Cooper wrote in the article above, "His loyal supporters in Sinn Féin, who treat him as an iconic figure and who believe he can do no wrong, are facing a test of their intelligence."

Do you reckon you've passed the test?

[lawnseed]

firstly paper never refused ink. Matt cooper is the two ends of a bollix! secondly my support of sinn fein is from a republican, socialist and humanist point of view. I believe in a united Ireland when the conditions are right IE when the Irish electorate south of the border finally elect someone who isn't blatantly a self serving crook or a puppet of big business and who doesn't bend over for religious institutions. when it comes to personalities whether it be Gerry of martin or Angus or whomever (as I've already posted) the party and its objectives must come first. Adams isn't cutting it in the dail plain and simple. His family problems are private no concern of mine I hope his niece gets justice and tries to move on. 

[Maguire01]

firstly paper never refused ink. Matt cooper is the two ends of a bollix!

You played the man and missed the ball. That would be a test fail.

His family problems are private no concern of mine I hope his niece gets justice and tries to move on.

Head in the sand. I'm sure you considered Sean Brady's problems to be no concern of you.

[Applesisapples]

firstly paper never refused ink. Matt cooper is the two ends of a bollix!

You played the man and missed the ball. That would be a test fail.

His family problems are private no concern of mine I hope his niece gets justice and tries to move on.

Head in the sand. I'm sure you considered Sean Brady's problems to be no concern of you.

SF called Sean Brady out on his inactions, the silence is deafening on Adams. He is now a liability and as the Southern Election nears his actions or inactions will be rehearsed in a media which is anti SF. The perserverance with Adams is in stark contrast to the removal from the assembly of Connor Murphy and Michelle Gildernew around the NI water appointments furore.

[give her dixie]

Our revenge will be the laughter of our children....

Guest writer Gerard Hodgins with a piece asking questions of Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams in relation to allegations of covering up rape. Mr Hodgins is a forner blanket man who took part in the 1981 Long Kesh hunger strike.

Gerry Adams is man very much in the public eye; he leads a political party in Ireland and was once the leader of The Republican Movement. He is a consummate politician who can play the media to his tune while evading and reinventing events to his interpretation. And when the media scrutiny gets too close to the bone he invokes the prerogatives of "private family affair" and "disgruntled opponents of the peace process".

A private family affair is just that and none should ever intrude publically into a private family affair, leaving it to the family to sort. When a cynical manipulator of the media chooses to milk a private family tragedy for a political end then that act is deserving of comment and questions.

In the first instance it has to be noted that when a report of child abuse was made to the RUC in 1987 the abuse allegation was overlooked for a leverage opening on the then leader of the republican movement. The child was abandoned by the very institutions of the state set up to safeguard and protect vulnerable children. That abandonment and indifference towards the plight of the child was compounded by its abandonment by the one uncle who could have made a difference.

In the aftermath of the Liam Adams trial and with the availability of documents and court records to give a deeper understanding of what precisely happened we are undoubtedly grateful that we live in the internet age when information is accessible pretty quickly before somebody dresses it up and presents it to us as something more akin to propaganda than fact.

The raw fact that Gerry contacted the Social Services the day after confronting Liam in Buncrana to complain that Aine was living in a dirty house and had nits rather than reporting her vulnerability to an abusive parent speaks volumes for the concern Gerry the man had towards Aine the child.

Further he only broke for cover when he discovered that Chris Moore was doing a documentary for UTV which would raise disturbing questions about his role in the saga. Having assessed the immediate impact of that documentary to be inimical to Big Gerry, he and his advisors called in Tommie Gorman from RTE a couple of days later when Gerry hung his own father out to hang in that infamous interview – which was designed to further cloudy the waters, engender sympathy for poor oul Gerry and stop people asking awkward questions.

The questions didn't stop though and when Suzanne Breen forensically dissected Gerry's whole account for The Sunday Tribune she exposed lie upon lie, deceit upon deceit in Gerry's accounts.

Not that many took notice, why let little things like facts get in the way of a good counter-revolution with electoral and financial gains still to be made -- such facts can be dismissed as the moaning of disgruntled opponents of the peace process.

But they came back again in crystallised form when a jury in Belfast found Liam Adams guilty of his crimes. And the reaction again from the Sinn Fein spin machine was to shoot the messengers. Journalists who covered the story are denigrated as lacking credibility and bona fides: it's all a personal witch-hunt against Big Gerry; it's the Brits; it's the securocrats.

But the most deafening silence has been the silence of absolutely nobody from within Sinn Fein asking a question. When the Catholic Church was being excoriated (and rightly so) for their proven institutional failures in relation to child protection and cover-ups of paedophile priests, Sinn Fein were out in front of the political posse biting at the heels of Cardinal Brady and his Bishops calling for resignations and no hiding place for people who turn their backs on children in such conditions.

I don't believe Sinn Fein internally though is such a united front around the Dear Leader who everybody loves and reveres; party strategists have to be considering the negative dynamics of going into elections with the stench of sexual abuse hanging over the party. Adams is clearly no longer the magical negotiator who could sell pork to the Arabs never mind sand, his cross examination exposed him as a faltering and unconvincing witness, more a liability than an asset hence his non-recall at the second trial.

Dismissing criticism of Gerry Adams as the outworking of opponents of the peace process is a cynical manipulation of the discursive format, It is not anti-peace to question the motivations and wisdom of a leader, it is not anti-peace to call out a snake oil-salesman on his inconsistencies and evasions. As republicans committed to a republic which cherishes all of the children equally we are obligated to raise voices of concern over the abandonment of a child and the subsequent media pantomime to present the unsavoury details in a manner favourable to Big Gerry the victim .....

Gerry lives in two worlds, he has told us so in his book "A Farther Shore", there is the fictional happy ending world where we swallow his version of history/events and then there is the other world, the world of truth and reality which we are not yet mature enough to handle. Referring to the hunger strike Adams comments:

    "A happy ending, finally, eventually, it seems to me is more important than a tell-all story now."

Like the hunger strike, his handling of sexual abuse allegations against a child leaves a lot more questions to be answered than clarity. There are no happy endings though: six men died unnecessarily in 1981 to get Adams into a lucrative lifestyle which has seen the poor boy from Ballymurphy move up the social ladder; abandoned child victims don't have happy endings, the memories never leave them. Then there is the matter of our patriot dead who died believing we were in this for the long haul while Gerry was secretly negotiating behind our backs to bring the war to a close. No happy endings......

We must continue to question though, to be silent is to be acquiescent. As republicans who once believed in and followed Gerry Adams we have every right to ask questions and demand full disclosure of all the secret dealings of the leadership of the Provisional high command. We deserve this and we earned the right to demand it when we stood against the British and endured all that they threw at us. It is time for the tell-all story now.


http://thepensivequill.am/2013/10/our-revenge-will-be-laughter-of-our.html

[Applesisapples]

Says it all really

[Maguire01]

According to McGuinness, there's no comparison between Cardinal Brady's "sit-yee-aaa-shun" (is there any story he can't use that word in?) and Gerry Adams'. Oh, any Gerry is a victim.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-24807057

Meanwhile, the bad news stories just won't go away...
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/gerry-adams-pressed-in-disappeared-documentary-over-alleged-role-in-jean-mcconville-death-29724083.html
The Disappeared', a co-production between RTE and the BBC, will be broadcast on RTE1 tonight at 9:35pm and at 10.35pm on BBC1 Northern Ireland.

[glens abu]

Our revenge will be the laughter of our children....

Guest writer Gerard Hodgins with a piece asking questions of Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams in relation to allegations of covering up rape. Mr Hodgins is a forner blanket man who took part in the 1981 Long Kesh hunger strike.

Gerry Adams is man very much in the public eye; he leads a political party in Ireland and was once the leader of The Republican Movement. He is a consummate politician who can play the media to his tune while evading and reinventing events to his interpretation. And when the media scrutiny gets too close to the bone he invokes the prerogatives of "private family affair" and "disgruntled opponents of the peace process".

A private family affair is just that and none should ever intrude publically into a private family affair, leaving it to the family to sort. When a cynical manipulator of the media chooses to milk a private family tragedy for a political end then that act is deserving of comment and questions.

In the first instance it has to be noted that when a report of child abuse was made to the RUC in 1987 the abuse allegation was overlooked for a leverage opening on the then leader of the republican movement. The child was abandoned by the very institutions of the state set up to safeguard and protect vulnerable children. That abandonment and indifference towards the plight of the child was compounded by its abandonment by the one uncle who could have made a difference.

In the aftermath of the Liam Adams trial and with the availability of documents and court records to give a deeper understanding of what precisely happened we are undoubtedly grateful that we live in the internet age when information is accessible pretty quickly before somebody dresses it up and presents it to us as something more akin to propaganda than fact.

The raw fact that Gerry contacted the Social Services the day after confronting Liam in Buncrana to complain that Aine was living in a dirty house and had nits rather than reporting her vulnerability to an abusive parent speaks volumes for the concern Gerry the man had towards Aine the child.

Further he only broke for cover when he discovered that Chris Moore was doing a documentary for UTV which would raise disturbing questions about his role in the saga. Having assessed the immediate impact of that documentary to be inimical to Big Gerry, he and his advisors called in Tommie Gorman from RTE a couple of days later when Gerry hung his own father out to hang in that infamous interview – which was designed to further cloudy the waters, engender sympathy for poor oul Gerry and stop people asking awkward questions.

The questions didn't stop though and when Suzanne Breen forensically dissected Gerry's whole account for The Sunday Tribune she exposed lie upon lie, deceit upon deceit in Gerry's accounts.

Not that many took notice, why let little things like facts get in the way of a good counter-revolution with electoral and financial gains still to be made -- such facts can be dismissed as the moaning of disgruntled opponents of the peace process.

But they came back again in crystallised form when a jury in Belfast found Liam Adams guilty of his crimes. And the reaction again from the Sinn Fein spin machine was to shoot the messengers. Journalists who covered the story are denigrated as lacking credibility and bona fides: it's all a personal witch-hunt against Big Gerry; it's the Brits; it's the securocrats.

But the most deafening silence has been the silence of absolutely nobody from within Sinn Fein asking a question. When the Catholic Church was being excoriated (and rightly so) for their proven institutional failures in relation to child protection and cover-ups of paedophile priests, Sinn Fein were out in front of the political posse biting at the heels of Cardinal Brady and his Bishops calling for resignations and no hiding place for people who turn their backs on children in such conditions.

I don't believe Sinn Fein internally though is such a united front around the Dear Leader who everybody loves and reveres; party strategists have to be considering the negative dynamics of going into elections with the stench of sexual abuse hanging over the party. Adams is clearly no longer the magical negotiator who could sell pork to the Arabs never mind sand, his cross examination exposed him as a faltering and unconvincing witness, more a liability than an asset hence his non-recall at the second trial.

Dismissing criticism of Gerry Adams as the outworking of opponents of the peace process is a cynical manipulation of the discursive format, It is not anti-peace to question the motivations and wisdom of a leader, it is not anti-peace to call out a snake oil-salesman on his inconsistencies and evasions. As republicans committed to a republic which cherishes all of the children equally we are obligated to raise voices of concern over the abandonment of a child and the subsequent media pantomime to present the unsavoury details in a manner favourable to Big Gerry the victim .....

Gerry lives in two worlds, he has told us so in his book "A Farther Shore", there is the fictional happy ending world where we swallow his version of history/events and then there is the other world, the world of truth and reality which we are not yet mature enough to handle. Referring to the hunger strike Adams comments:

    "A happy ending, finally, eventually, it seems to me is more important than a tell-all story now."

Like the hunger strike, his handling of sexual abuse allegations against a child leaves a lot more questions to be answered than clarity. There are no happy endings though: six men died unnecessarily in 1981 to get Adams into a lucrative lifestyle which has seen the poor boy from Ballymurphy move up the social ladder; abandoned child victims don't have happy endings, the memories never leave them. Then there is the matter of our patriot dead who died believing we were in this for the long haul while Gerry was secretly negotiating behind our backs to bring the war to a close. No happy endings......

We must continue to question though, to be silent is to be acquiescent. As republicans who once believed in and followed Gerry Adams we have every right to ask questions and demand full disclosure of all the secret dealings of the leadership of the Provisional high command. We deserve this and we earned the right to demand it when we stood against the British and endured all that they threw at us. It is time for the tell-all story now.


http://thepensivequill.am/2013/10/our-revenge-will-be-laughter-of-our.html

Well well Dixie the Pensivequill or Tony's weekly liar.Published by a "Republican" who got vulnerable people to tout on their former comrades,a "Socialist" who conspired with others to build Priory Hall and distroy working peoples lives[maybe even used catapiller while building them].Really stooping low now Dixie so remember the old
saying if you lie with dogs you will get up with fleas.

[Applesisapples]

Alistair McDonnell in yesterday's Irish News called on Adams to be held to account, a call repeated in todays paper by Alex Attwood.  McDonald and Attwood's interventions are primaryily self serving and political point scoring at its worst with no regard for the victim. But that does not hide the fact that Martin McGuinness is wrong, Gerry Adams does need to answer questions not only about this but also about his IRA past. Not withstanding that he has endeavoured to help in the finding of the bodies of the disappeared there is still a whiff about him. His denials, evasion and deliberate fudging of events and dates has robbed him of any credability he had. He is the albatross around SF's neck that will lose them votes on both sides of the border. The only saving grace in the North is that he is no longer a key player and McDonnell and the SDLP have even less credability...if that's possible. Meanwhile the Unionists are running rings around both Nationalist parties finding even more ways to say no and retreating to the politics of the 1920's.

[All of a Sludden]

Prison officers saved the life of paedophile Liam Adams after he had a heart attack in Maghaberry, it can be revealed.

The brother of Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams "died" in his cell, according to sources – but was revived by quick-thinking staff who resuscitated him.

Adams is serving a 16-year sentence for raping his daughter Aine when she was a child.

Sources told the Belfast Telegraph that another prisoner raised the alarm last Tuesday when Adams suddenly "hit the deck".

One source added: "He was proper dead." Officers administered chest compressions until an ambulance arrived and nurses took over.

He was rushed to hospital, where he remained in recovery until being discharged on Friday. Adams has been held in Martin House in maximum-security Maghaberry HMP since his sentencing by Judge Corinne Philpott QC at Belfast Crown Court last year.

The unit houses prisoners under protection from other inmates, and he is understood to have been threatened by fellow prisoners a number of times.

Others held at Martin House include notorious killers Robert Black, Barry McCarney and Trevor Hamilton.

Adams, from Bernagh Drive in west Belfast, is expected to serve half his sentence in prison.

A jury found him guilty of a string of sexual assaults against his daughter Aine Dahlstrom (nee Adams), who waived her right to anonymity. The abuse took place over five years between 1977 and 1981 when Mrs Dahlstrom (40) was aged between four and nine.

During the two-week trial in October, he denied the charges, but was found guilty on all 10 counts – three charges of rape, four counts of indecent assault and three counts of gross indecency. In January, the Court Service confirmed he had lodged appeal papers against both conviction and sentence.

That month it also emerged he was refusing to eat food in a protest against new visiting arrangements at Maghaberry.

Both the Prison Service and Gerry Adams' spokesman declined to comment on the heart attack.

BACKGROUND

Sex abuse allegations against Liam Adams were made public when his daughter Aine Dahlstrom took part in a 2009 TV documentary. Within days, her father fled to the Republic amid claims he would not receive a fair trial in Northern Ireland.

He was handed over to the PSNI at the border in November 2011 after he lost a lengthy and expensive extradition battle. The first trial opened in April last year but collapsed due to legal reasons. During this trial, Mrs Dahlstrom's uncle, Gerry Adams, was called as a prosecution witness. Liam Adams was convicted after a second trial last October.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/paedophile-liam-adams-died-in-his-cell-after-heart-attack-but-was-saved-by-prison-officers-30225819.html

[muppet]

Great timing there.