Sam Maguire permutations

[full moon]

Who would yis Derry folk prefer to get?
I presume Cork or Tyrone or would you rather beat us later on?

Cork would be best draw for Derry I reckon.

[SouthDublinBro]

Armagh vs Mayo
Dublin vs Cork
Monaghan vs Kerry
Derry vs Tyrone

[twohands!!!]

Dublin can draw Monaghan, Tyrone, Mayo, Cork
Kerry can draw Monaghan, Tyrone
Derry can draw Tyrone, Mayo, Cork
Armagh can draw Monaghan, Mayo, Cork
Monaghan can draw Kerry, Dublin, Armagh
Tyrone can draw Kerry, Dublin, Derry
Cork can draw Dublin, Derry, Armagh
Mayo can draw Dublin, Derry, Armagh

[Walter Cronc]

Is the AI semis and open draw? Thought I read somewhere if Derry and Dublin win 1/4s they meet in semi.

[restorepride]

Is the AI semis and open draw? Thought I read somewhere if Derry and Dublin win 1/4s they meet in semi.

Apparently AI semis are an open draw.   The pre-determined provincial rule has been removed.

[bennydorano]

Is the AI semis and open draw? Thought I read somewhere if Derry and Dublin win 1/4s they meet in semi.

I posted this below last Monday as that's the way the Irish Times had it but I've yet to hear a definitive answer either way.

Bought the Irish Times this morning for a change of scenery, noticed they still have the semi final stages down in their fixture planner for  Connacht v Munster & Ulster v Leinster. I'm not sure this is the case tho? If it is presumably Armagh are now the 'Connacht' rep as well??

[restorepride]

Is the AI semis and open draw? Thought I read somewhere if Derry and Dublin win 1/4s they meet in semi.

I posted this below last Monday as that's the way the Irish Times had it but I've yet to hear a definitive answer either way.

Bought the Irish Times this morning for a change of scenery, noticed they still have the semi final stages down in their fixture planner for  Connacht v Munster & Ulster v Leinster. I'm not sure this is the case tho? If it is presumably Armagh are now the 'Connacht' rep as well??

I asked this question on a thread (maybe this one) and Mod 5 stated that the pre-designated provincial pairings (as above) has gone as provincial winners may not reach the quarter finals - as happened to Gaillimh.  So open draw for semis apparently.

[David McKeown]

I think the chances of each county drawing each other are as follows given the need to avoid repeat pairings?

Kerry's potential opponents.
Tyrone 50%
Monaghan 50%

Tyrone's potential opponents
Kerry 50%
Dublin 25%
Derry 25%

Monaghan's Potential opponents
Kerry 50%
Armagh 25 %
Dublin 25%

Armagh's Potential opponents
Monaghan 25%
Mayo 37.5%
Cork 37.5%

Corks potential opponents
Dublin 25%
Armagh 37.5%
Derry 37.5%

Mayo's potential opponents
Armagh 37.5%
Derry 37.5%
Dublin 25%

Derrys potential opponents
Tyrone 25%
Mayo 37.5%
Cork 37.5%

Dublins potential opponents
Tyrone 25%
Kerry 25%
Mayo 25%
Cork 25%

[David McKeown]

So Tyrone have a 50% chance of drawing Kerry and 25% each of Derry and Dublin.
Armagh have a 25% chance of drawing Monaghan and 37.5% each of Cork and Mayo.
Rest can be easily derived from that.

Group 1 (Ky, Mo, Ck, Lh) ended up being the best group with 3 1/4 finalists and Group 2 (Du, Ro, Ke, So) the weakest with only 1 1/4 finalist.

Armagh the only provincial runner-up to make it through.

Sorry didn't see you had already done it

[Wildweasel74]

All these % is taking me bck to school, roll on that draw on the mor, am getting memory haze lol.

[David McKeown]

All these % is taking me bck to school, roll on that draw on the mor, am getting memory haze lol.

Couldn't think of a better way to express it. Sorry

[armaghniac]

Kerry guaranteed Ulster opposition and Cork and Mayo likely to face Ulster opposition.

[From the Bunker]

Kerry guaranteed Ulster opposition and Cork and Mayo likely to face Ulster opposition.

That's all of Round Robin Group 1 playing Ulster teams!

[blanketattack]

Today completed the Connaught-home-team-loses triangle.
Mayo lost at home to Roscommon
Roscommon lost at home to Galway
Galway lost at home to Mayo

[restorepride]

Kerry guaranteed Ulster opposition and Cork and Mayo likely to face Ulster opposition.

No - it still depends on the order they come out tomorrow.  The 'can't play' clause is not a certainty. Otherwise the draw could go on for a long time!!!