Kerry v Galway, All-Ireland Senior Football Final. 24 July, 2022

[Hound]

Hopefully this shines a light on the shenanigans of the big Dublin clubs.

I’m from a small Dublin northside club, and our best footballer was on the Dublin panel but not getting a run. St Vincent’s did everything they could to poach him, but we objected at every turn. The lad’s head was definitely turned,  but in fairness to him he knuckled down and keeps producing for us.

I’d love to see some kind of a draft system in place, where if there is someone like Walsh with a genuine reason to move to Dublin, and doesn’t want to travel home for club training and club games that he goes to the weakest south side senior club rather than to the biggest and strongest club in the county (albeit unrealistic for an amateur sport).

[Blowitupref]

David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win

[armaghniac]

Hopefully this shines a light on the shenanigans of the big Dublin clubs.

I’m from a small Dublin northside club, and our best footballer was on the Dublin panel but not getting a run. St Vincent’s did everything they could to poach him, but we objected at every turn. The lad’s head was definitely turned,  but in fairness to him he knuckled down and keeps producing for us.

I’d love to see some kind of a draft system in place, where if there is someone like Walsh with a genuine reason to move to Dublin, and doesn’t want to travel home for club training and club games that he goes to the weakest south side senior club rather than to the biggest and strongest club in the county (albeit unrealistic for an amateur sport).

Perhaps a draft system would be hard to arrange, but you could limit intercounty transfers to clubs to one per year or the like.

[galwayman]

If the objection is successful I can't see Shane losing any sweat for the Club.

It's a lose-lose situation for Kilkerrin-clonberne. 

What are the actual rules around inter county transfers? If the parent club refuses to sign the transfer form what happens next like?
I can see where any small club is coming from if they’re losing one of the best players in the country (and Kilkerrin-Clonberne are struggling at adult level at the moment).
At the same time - is there any point in standing in a players way if they want to transfer away to where they’re living?
We lost probably our best player this year to a transfer to a Dublin club. All we could do is sign the transfer and wish the guy well. He’s in his mid to late 20s and has given us a lot of commitment over the years. Couldn’t blame him for transferring as his life is in Dublin for now.
Granted he isn’t Shane Walsh level of talent but then who is.

[Mario]

David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win

How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be

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David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win

How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be

Sure did Moy not have like 4/5 on the County Panel at a stage languishing in Intermediate??

Jordan 2 Cavanaghs Holmes and Mellon?

[clarshack]

David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win

How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be

Sure did Moy not have like 4/5 on the County Panel at a stage languishing in Intermediate??

Jordan 2 Cavanaghs Holmes and Mellon?

Holmes was with Armagh Harps but yes the Moy were playing Internediate in 2008 with those other 4 players mentioned in their prime. They lost the Intermediate final that year but won the Division 2 league to gain promotion back to Senior. They were relegated to Intermediate again about 3 years after that too.

[fearsiuil]

David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win

How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be

Only 8 clubs play in Kerry senior championship.
16 clubs in intermediate.
The 25th and lower ranked clubs play junior.
It's why they have such a high success rate in the all Ireland intermediate and junior competitions.

[From the Bunker]

David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win

How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be

Only 8 clubs play in Kerry senior championship.
16 clubs in intermediate.
The 25th and lower ranked clubs play junior.
It's why they have such a high success rate in the all Ireland intermediate and junior competitions.

Intermediate in Kerry is like a Senior'B' Championship.
Junior is like Intermediate B.

[fearsiuil]

David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win

How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be

Only 8 clubs play in Kerry senior championship.
16 clubs in intermediate.
The 25th and lower ranked clubs play junior.
It's why they have such a high success rate in the all Ireland intermediate and junior competitions.

Intermediate in Kerry is like a Senior'B' Championship.
Junior is like Intermediate B.

No intermediate like!!

[RedHand88]

David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win

How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be

Sure did Moy not have like 4/5 on the County Panel at a stage languishing in Intermediate??

Jordan 2 Cavanaghs Holmes and Mellon?

Clan na nGael were in junior with Brian Dooher and Stephen ONeill.

[Milltown Row2]

David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win

How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be

Sure did Moy not have like 4/5 on the County Panel at a stage languishing in Intermediate??

Jordan 2 Cavanaghs Holmes and Mellon?

Clan na nGael were in junior with Brian Dooher and Stephen ONeill.

Good players generally come through the county set ups at under 14 up, they'll have developed a lot better than the other kids in their club regardless of where their senior team play, if they progress through minor to under 21 while being part of a schools or college team then their development will be ready to make that jump to senior county, their club though could still be Junior!

Its not uncommon in some counties like Kerry for example but rarer in counties like Antrim, did a match the other week, county player on a current intermediate team, but may be Junior next year, he was physically in a different planet to his team mates, and skill level was night and day. One county standard player can only bring a team so far

[Stall the Bailer]

David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win

How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be

Sure did Moy not have like 4/5 on the County Panel at a stage languishing in Intermediate??

Jordan 2 Cavanaghs Holmes and Mellon?

Clan na nGael were in junior with Brian Dooher and Stephen ONeill.

Are you sure about that? More like they were in div 1 and now back in div 3 since the two players retired.

[JoG2]

David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win

How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be

Sure did Moy not have like 4/5 on the County Panel at a stage languishing in Intermediate??

Jordan 2 Cavanaghs Holmes and Mellon?

Clan na nGael were in junior with Brian Dooher and Stephen ONeill.

Are you sure about that? More like they were in div 1 and now back in div 3 since the two players retired.

Clan were definitely a junior club when the 2 maestros were in their prime

[clarshack]

David Clifford kicked 1-9 for Fossa in their 1-14 to 0-10 win over Listowel Emmets today, just a week after his All-Ireland win

How are Fossa a junior team if they have the 2 Clifford's. How bad must the other 13 players be

Sure did Moy not have like 4/5 on the County Panel at a stage languishing in Intermediate??

Jordan 2 Cavanaghs Holmes and Mellon?

Clan na nGael were in junior with Brian Dooher and Stephen ONeill.

Are you sure about that? More like they were in div 1 and now back in div 3 since the two players retired.

Clan were definitely a junior club when the 2 maestros were in their prime

They won Junior in 1997 in what would have been Dooher's 2nd season with the Tyrone senior team and with O'Neill a Tyrone minor. They then won Intermediate the following season and were Senior for a very long time after that. So both players played Senior mostly in their prime.