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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2022, 10:32:06 PM »
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0423/1293928-tailteann-cup-has-to-avoid-tommy-murphy-cups-sad-fate/


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More games for counties in the Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher Cups has been a positive for hurling.

I'm not a hurling follower but is there anything to back that staement from Jason Ryan up. The reality is those lower grade hurling competitions are literally irrelevant to media, supporters or hurling at large. Hurling is virtually dead in most of those counties and those tournaments did not improve things.

The Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher Cups are infinitely better than what the situation was before they were introduced which was the All-Ireland B Championship which was open to any team who didn't play in the Liam McCarthy and was straght knock-out.

Before the B Championship (which started in the 70s), teams only had the option to enter the Liam McCarthy.

Hurling isn't exactly strong in those counties but it's in a far better place in pretty much every one of those counties compared to before these tournaments were started.

The Tailteann Cup isn't a magic bullet but it will be an improvement for players compared to the situation previously.

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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2022, 10:54:53 PM »
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0423/1293928-tailteann-cup-has-to-avoid-tommy-murphy-cups-sad-fate/


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More games for counties in the Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher Cups has been a positive for hurling.

I'm not a hurling follower but is there anything to back that staement from Jason Ryan up. The reality is those lower grade hurling competitions are literally irrelevant to media, supporters or hurling at large. Hurling is virtually dead in most of those counties and those tournaments did not improve things.

The Christy Ring, Nicky Rackard and Lory Meagher Cups are infinitely better than what the situation was before they were introduced which was the All-Ireland B Championship which was open to any team who didn't play in the Liam McCarthy and was straght knock-out.

Before the B Championship (which started in the 70s), teams only had the option to enter the Liam McCarthy.

Hurling isn't exactly strong in those counties but it's in a far better place in pretty much every one of those counties compared to before these tournaments were started.

The Tailteann Cup isn't a magic bullet but it will be an improvement for players compared to the situation previously.

To be honest as an outside to hurling, have 5 different championship grades is too many and really they need to merge several together.  Particularly at the lower end.

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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2022, 07:48:08 AM »
if it does fail what will happen will they just keep the same format as now where only division 1 and 2 games get a second bite of the cherry or will they go back to a backdoor system with 4 rounds like before covid
The back door with 4 rounds is banjaxed. The GAA need the Tailteann Cup to work.
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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2022, 05:35:39 PM »
Hurling in Meath has definitely benefited from the Ring cup involvement. Itís slow progress but itís still come along way from the late 90ís when it was near dead.
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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2022, 05:54:42 PM »
if it does fail what will happen will they just keep the same format as now where only division 1 and 2 games get a second bite of the cherry or will they go back to a backdoor system with 4 rounds like before covid
The back door with 4 rounds is banjaxed. The GAA need the Tailteann Cup to work.

Knockout football is whatís needed.. play your provincials out then 32 county open draw. Then let club season take over

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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #35 on: April 26, 2022, 05:56:25 PM »
Will someone tell him about Congress and motions passed thereat? ::)
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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2022, 09:16:09 PM »
Hurling in Meath has definitely benefited from the Ring cup involvement. Itís slow progress but itís still come along way from the late 90ís when it was near dead.

Meath always had a 'hurling area' though, hadn't ye?
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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2022, 04:33:37 PM »
hurling should  get rid of provincials and have an open draw of 2 groups of  5 or 6  group winners get bye  to semi  2nd v 3rd in quarter final or an extra round of 3rd v 4th  if we go with groups of 6 the bottom team in each group get relegated.

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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2022, 04:41:25 PM »
if it does fail what will happen will they just keep the same format as now where only division 1 and 2 games get a second bite of the cherry or will they go back to a backdoor system with 4 rounds like before covid
The back door with 4 rounds is banjaxed. The GAA need the Tailteann Cup to work.

Knockout football is whatís needed.. play your provincials out then 32 county open draw. Then let club season take over


thats what they should do they had the opportunity to do it during pandemic but they backed out they are too scared of a scenario where tyrone v kerry is a 1st round game but i think thats what make it exciting two big teams against each other one of them are going home early they said what makes tyrone championship good is because its a straight open knockout . I dont  believe in seedings in sports tournaments unless its earn as part of the competition like the number 1 team in nfl conferences gets a bye.

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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2022, 04:43:13 PM »
you could probably still do a tailteann cup if you wanted with a open draw knockout any team thats in division 3 and 4 that does not make all ireland quarter final goes into tailteaan cup.

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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2022, 10:45:03 AM »
hurling should  get rid of provincials and have an open draw of 2 groups of  5 or 6  group winners get bye  to semi  2nd v 3rd in quarter final or an extra round of 3rd v 4th  if we go with groups of 6 the bottom team in each group get relegated.

Football should also get rid of provincials for the very same reasons, but that's not going to happen and similar to hurling in Munster and Leinster it's all about who controls the purse strings.



I'm not a hurling follower but is there anything to back that staement from Jason Ryan up. The reality is those lower grade hurling competitions are literally irrelevant to media, supporters or hurling at large. Hurling is virtually dead in most of those counties and those tournaments did not improve things.


The majority of the hurling counties involved in these competitions outside of the Liam McCarthy are football dominated barring maybe Antrim and Laois, so it was of little consequence to these County boards when these competitions were voted in and IMO they're a good thing for hurling in these types of counties as at least they're competing at their level but hope of promotion but IMO there could be more done to promote teams into the round robins than is currently the case.

Are these same county boards who are football orientated going to say to themselves, nah, we're pants, lets not play in the Sam Maguire as we'll get mullered and play in the Tailteann cup?? Not likely if somewhat delusional.

Genuinely there's only really 5 or 6 counties capable of winning the AI football title maybe less but I'm being kind, with another half dozen competitive at that level, the rest will hope for a glory run once every blue moon but know that they'll take heavy beatings for 19 years out of 20..
 


 

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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2022, 07:21:28 PM »
An open 32 county competition would just result in a lot of hammerings. Maybe a few close games depending on the draw. I

Sligo and Down hammered today. Wexford have scored just 1 pt in the first half. Some of these counties think they are above the Tailtean Cup

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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2022, 08:04:19 PM »
Fair due to Wexford they have shown that the Leinster Championship is still alive!

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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2022, 08:10:29 PM »
An open 32 county competition would just result in a lot of hammerings. Maybe a few close games depending on the draw. I

Sligo and Down hammered today. Wexford have scored just 1 pt in the first half. Some of these counties think they are above the Tailtean Cup
Plus the qualifiers died a death. 20 years ago Laois and Westmeath and even Meath could win Leinster . Now it is a joke.
The TC gives counties a chance to build up a bit of momentum.
As long as the GAA run a provincial system the choices are going to be limited.
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Re: Tailteann Cup 2022
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2022, 08:20:09 PM »
An open 32 county competition would just result in a lot of hammerings. Maybe a few close games depending on the draw. I

Sligo and Down hammered today. Wexford have scored just 1 pt in the first half. Some of these counties think they are above the Tailtean Cup
Plus the qualifiers died a death. 20 years ago Laois and Westmeath and even Meath could win Leinster . Now it is a joke.
The TC gives counties a chance to build up a bit of momentum.
As long as the GAA run a provincial system the choices are going to be limited.
How are Sligo and Leitrim doing in Connacht these days?  Inevitable hammerings?