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Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
« Reply #690 on: July 29, 2022, 02:59:26 PM »
If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.

When did this become a thing? ref blows whistle, he doesn't need to blow it again and if players are back 13 meters from kick then whats the problem with taking a 'quick' free if these are met?
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Re: Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification
« Reply #691 on: July 29, 2022, 03:50:01 PM »
If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.

When did this become a thing? ref blows whistle, he doesn't need to blow it again and if players are back 13 meters from kick then whats the problem with taking a 'quick' free if these are met?

It's always been a thing;

2.6 With the Referee’s consent, a free kick may be taken immediately.
  Exceptions:
  A penalty kick and a free kick awarded to a team from their opponents’ 13m line.

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« Reply #692 on: July 29, 2022, 03:59:27 PM »
If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.

When did this become a thing? ref blows whistle, he doesn't need to blow it again and if players are back 13 meters from kick then whats the problem with taking a 'quick' free if these are met?

It's always been a thing;

2.6 With the Referee’s consent, a free kick may be taken immediately.
  Exceptions:
  A penalty kick and a free kick awarded to a team from their opponents’ 13m line.

I never did, in fairness most teams defence will crowd round and restrict that from happening.. Though I can see what this means, all players must be 13 meters away from play, as I said in my post above if all players are 13 meters away there is no reason to stop it being played (in my view I'm right lol)

I'd given a free last night on the D one lad gave a bit of verbal's and I brought the ball forward the player had a free shot on goal as he was taking it quick, missed an open net!!

 
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« Reply #693 on: July 29, 2022, 04:20:38 PM »
If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.

When did this become a thing? ref blows whistle, he doesn't need to blow it again and if players are back 13 meters from kick then whats the problem with taking a 'quick' free if these are met?

It's always been a thing;

2.6 With the Referee’s consent, a free kick may be taken immediately.
  Exceptions:
  A penalty kick and a free kick awarded to a team from their opponents’ 13m line.

I never did, in fairness most teams defence will crowd round and restrict that from happening.. Though I can see what this means, all players must be 13 meters away from play, as I said in my post above if all players are 13 meters away there is no reason to stop it being played (in my view I'm right lol)

I'd given a free last night on the D one lad gave a bit of verbal's and I brought the ball forward the player had a free shot on goal as he was taking it quick, missed an open net!!

The 13m away from a free is pretty much ignored everywhere else on the field.  The obvious example, and one which occurs repeatedly in every game, is a player fouled who takes the free immediately.  That is never pulled back to allow the fouler to retreat sufficient distance (thankfully!)  In the instance of a 13M free, it isn't really a factor because the referee just waits for everyone to get back on the line (which essentially delivers the ruling of "no quick free.")  Why give the defensive team control over that scenario in this way?  It promotes fouling.  It promotes players crowding around the freetaker (which incidentally should be penalised.)  If a player can take a quick 13M free, and the outcome for obstructing that is a penalty, would it not help discourage the foul in the first place?

With your scenario above, a quick free was entirely fine unless you brought it up to the 13M line, in which case he must have gave you a right good mouthful because that's over 20M  ;D

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« Reply #694 on: July 29, 2022, 08:52:39 PM »
If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.

When did this become a thing? ref blows whistle, he doesn't need to blow it again and if players are back 13 meters from kick then whats the problem with taking a 'quick' free if these are met?

It's always been a thing;

2.6 With the Referee’s consent, a free kick may be taken immediately.
  Exceptions:
  A penalty kick and a free kick awarded to a team from their opponents’ 13m line.

I never did, in fairness most teams defence will crowd round and restrict that from happening.. Though I can see what this means, all players must be 13 meters away from play, as I said in my post above if all players are 13 meters away there is no reason to stop it being played (in my view I'm right lol)

I'd given a free last night on the D one lad gave a bit of verbal's and I brought the ball forward the player had a free shot on goal as he was taking it quick, missed an open net!!

The 13m away from a free is pretty much ignored everywhere else on the field.  The obvious example, and one which occurs repeatedly in every game, is a player fouled who takes the free immediately.  That is never pulled back to allow the fouler to retreat sufficient distance (thankfully!)  In the instance of a 13M free, it isn't really a factor because the referee just waits for everyone to get back on the line (which essentially delivers the ruling of "no quick free.")  Why give the defensive team control over that scenario in this way?  It promotes fouling.  It promotes players crowding around the freetaker (which incidentally should be penalised.)  If a player can take a quick 13M free, and the outcome for obstructing that is a penalty, would it not help discourage the foul in the first place?

With your scenario above, a quick free was entirely fine unless you brought it up to the 13M line, in which case he must have gave you a right good mouthful because that's over 20M  ;D

Remember the ref decides what 13 meters is and how long 5 seconds are lol
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