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I reckon MGHU should get another thread started on Ireland or Money? Course we'd know his answer anyway considering he deserted for the Queens shilling.

Mmmmm not a potential bum like you, I choose work over the dole, because I love Ireland and don't believe in a false god to save me.

I am man, therefore I crush god with my baby finger.

you keep telling yourself that. I'd have more respect for someone who believed in god and stood by his principles than someone who'd preach about being a good Irish man while running away to line their own pockets. 

Sell out.

I reckon MGHU should get another thread started on Ireland or Money? Course we'd know his answer anyway considering he deserted for the Queens shilling.

Poor Mal, got a serious "merking" the night.

guard gets 40000 compo because his flyfishing arm gets hurt just read this in the star apparently this guard is a keen flyfisher and during an arrest this young guy yanked his arm... anyway his stroke and casting haven't been the same since he cant put the fly just where he wants it so 40000 euros of taxpayers money will allow him to buy some fish or something... sweet jez

Die-hard 'republican' has a problem with official police force of the State - hardly a surprise there....

Ref, REF, of the ball!!

Hardy do you think POG was being unreasonable in his discussions with Apples?

Don't mind Minder he's a bit ratty after missing last weekends title celebrations! here's a picture i saved just for him.

Lol nice one Ross, Minder merked again 

Seriously?

Are you 12?

It was indeed.

[Protestants]

Interesting article in the papers over here about the visit to Croke Park.

They actually did a really good background article on the significance of historical events in Croke park and Lizzie's need to respect it.

They continued on with a great article about GAA in general.

Then talked about how forward looking the GAA is as they have recently lifted the ban on Protestants and British armed forces playing the sports.
Part of the last sentence really miffed me.

What's that now???

MGHU i reckon a name change is in order. I don't think I've ever seen someone so wrapped up in circles on this board!! It'll save you having to answer that question!!

You're a bit slow Eamonn. NS has stated that he doesn't believe that enough has been done by the British to allow everyone to move on. That doesn't mean he's Incapable of moving on. Nor does it make him a dinosar. Your last few posts have been extremely condescending.

"Gerry Adams at the funeral of Vol. Bobby Sands MP, thirty years ago this week"



Or maybe:

"Mayogodhelpus SHOCKINGLY (cough) responds to caption thread on Enda Kenny by starting caption thread on Gerry Adams"

He's actually getting laughable now.

Well how did people get on with their Lenten sacrifaces?

Just out of interest when did people stop lent? We always kept it going til Easter Sunday. I know offically it ends on Holy Thursday. And some people finish at noon on the sat or after vigil mass. 

[What I want to know is what the excuse was for not caring when the celtic septic tiger was running rampant.]

Some of you need to realise that people couldn't give a shit whether we live in a United Ireland or not. People are busy trying to keep a roof over their heads and trying to raise their children, a United Ireland would be well down the list of priorities or ideals, if it featured at all. It doesent make them any more or less of "an Irishman" either. A lot of people don't give a shit about politics.

That is my point. Not many seem to care in the 26 counties, stating that they are more worried about keeping a roof over their heads. What I want to know is what the excuse was for not caring when the celtic septic tiger was running rampant.

Why should they need an excuse?

I don't care for Bananas. Or Jazz. Or Motor Sport.

So if people in ROI are increasingly unconcerned about a United Ireland, so what?

Anyhow, whilst we can argue the toss over the importance of economics in determining peoples' views, I suspect that two another factors may be influencing opinions South of the border:
1. The population being a young one, memories of the Troubles are beginning to fade from their consciousness, never mind the Eater Rising, Black & Tans and the War of Independence etc;
2. Now that RC's/Nationalists in NI are seen to be getting a fair crack of the whip over Civil Rights and Jobs etc, the "need" for Southerners to care is that much less.

"So what?" It might be a case of "so what" for you. Does that mean it has to be for everyone? Yes, we all know you are a unionist, but surely that doesn't exclude you from accepting that for a place where so many fought and died for All Ireland Independence for centuries, and in a place where most remember such people as patriots, that the people of the 26 counties might still be vocally supportive of the idea of All-Ireland Independence/Unity rather than use dishonest excuses to disguise a complete apathy for it, because luckily their county is not one of the six most north easterly ones.

You go on as if the disinclination to bang a drum for a united Ireland is some sort of crime. Who, precisely, is trying to disguise their apathy? I think the widespread apathy is pretty well undisguised. I don't think either that there's any substance in the suggestion that the apathy disguises a widespread antipathy "down here" to the idea of a United Ireland.

I think the overwhelming attitude is that political unity would be a nice idea, but not worth another drop of Irish blood (or any other blood, either), as long as people are living in a free democratic society, particularly now that the political union that makes a real difference to peoples' lives is the European one of which we're all members.

I never once claimed it was a crime. I simply asked what the excuse was during the "good times" to disguise the apathy, since during the "bad times", money is being used as the excuse to disguise this apathy. I think the apathy is being disguised (just very very poorly). Most people from the 26 counties that I have ever talked about this with genuinely don't seem to give a feck about Irish Re-Unification, but most would nowadays use the old "what about the cost" rather than come clean and say they just don't give a flying fcuk.

And I simply answered that the apathy is not disguised at all, so your thesis doesn't stand up. Why do people need an "excuse"? That's where my "crime" reference (exaggerating for effect) comes from. The fact that you insist people need an excuse for their position implies that you think that position is reprehensible. It's not - it's just different to yours.

I believe it is. So the point stands. As has been shown on this board many times. IMO whenever someone from the south says they don't want a UI it's inevitably followed by a Economic reason as outlined by Nally earlier. Why not just say I'd rather there wasn't a United Ireland as things are fine for me the way they are.   

[What I want to know is what the excuse was for not caring when the celtic septic tiger was running rampant.]

Some of you need to realise that people couldn't give a shit whether we live in a United Ireland or not. People are busy trying to keep a roof over their heads and trying to raise their children, a United Ireland would be well down the list of priorities or ideals, if it featured at all. It doesent make them any more or less of "an Irishman" either. A lot of people don't give a shit about politics.

That is my point. Not many seem to care in the 26 counties, stating that they are more worried about keeping a roof over their heads. What I want to know is what the excuse was for not caring when the celtic septic tiger was running rampant.

Why should they need an excuse?

I don't care for Bananas. Or Jazz. Or Motor Sport.

So if people in ROI are increasingly unconcerned about a United Ireland, so what?

Anyhow, whilst we can argue the toss over the importance of economics in determining peoples' views, I suspect that two another factors may be influencing opinions South of the border:
1. The population being a young one, memories of the Troubles are beginning to fade from their consciousness, never mind the Eater Rising, Black & Tans and the War of Independence etc;
2. Now that RC's/Nationalists in NI are seen to be getting a fair crack of the whip over Civil Rights and Jobs etc, the "need" for Southerners to care is that much less.

Nallys point and it's one that I would agree with is that many Southerns would say they would be for a United Ireland but reality might be a different thing. And if that is the case why not just say your not in favour of it.

[when will people care?]

Question 16. Is "cost" just the standardised excuse for apathy towards Irish Unity, in the 26 counties? During the Celtic Septic Tiger years, I didn't hear much mass outpouring of support for Irish Unity south of the border. People just seemed to blissfully forget about the issue... the party was in full swing and everyone was too preoccupied living like kings. It just begs the question - if when times were good, many in the south didn't care about the north, and when times are bad, they say it's just too expensive to unite the nation,.... when will people care?

What if - the answer to that is never? Where does that leave 6 county republicans and nationalists? What would happen next?

Ive always cared.

Well that neither surprises me - nor explains why in both good and financial times - many 26 county irish folk (in Mally Stand's own words), don't seem to care - in good times or in bad (which suggests a general non financially related apathy).

Yet we have other posters convinced it's going to happen. Seems like apathy is rife with the issue.

Then they should have the balls to say never and not hide behing excuses. It would leave nationlists very frustrated I would imagine but no different to the current situation. Nally stand's points a valid one.