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If  a player  is on one side of the field  , 1 yard outside the 50 yard  line, and kicks it  across the field , to a  teammate who catches it   1 yard inside the  50 , will a  mark be given?

Yes.

Do you realise the Ulster Final went to penalties and you drew with Monaghan?

Personally I think frees should be overturned instead of a throw up in most scenarios, it serves as a much greater deterrent.

Common sense Rules
1 if a lad runs fast he can take as many steps as he like.
2 don't ever apply the steps Rule to a forward anywhere near the posts
3 don't pull up illegal handpasses especially on an attacking player
4 never yellow card a forward no matter how many cynical fouls he commits to stop counter attacks
5 allow man with ball to do whatever he likes especially to would be tacklers.
6 after a throw up ball always give a free out to the defending team.

Brilliant stuff

It's an interesting game - wouldn't be surprised if we won but on the other hand wouldn't be surprised if we got beat by a bit! I hope we have learned from the league and if we can get Kelm marked a bit better we have a very good chance. Also someone taller on Quigley would help.

I can't see us beating you by much, if we even do.  We are favourites with the bookies but really there is very little between the teams (as seen in that crazy league game) and I think your performances in the Tailteann so far have been more assured than ours.

Kelm will obviously need watching, though he has been quieter in last 2 games than most of league.  A good match up is important for him but, in all honesty, he'll beat most men 1 v 1 so it's as much about the collective defensive effort which is probably something both our sides lack at times!  With Quigley starting we've gone through him less, which in one sense helps spread the burden but I think he was also reveling as the main man.   Important to win for either side and get a weeks break plus a home quarter final (I presume.)

Congrats Down and good luck in AI series. Who was that ref and what county. A plonker!

the ref was Pat Clarke from Cavan, was at the match and thought he was poor for both teams, didn't think he influenced the result though.

Down were excellent in last 30 minutes, Murdock and Savage are 2 class acts. Great win.

No question the best team won. Thought he was very harsh on us but maybe that's rose tinted glasses on. Who you play now?

I thought Derry came down the harsher side of the decisions, but similarly didn't feel it influenced the result.  That said, I actually quite liked how he went about refereeing the game, he had very little sympathy for the ball carrier and gave nothing easy, he was consistent about that too.  It goes against the grain nowadays where referees tend to blow for slight contact, so I can see how it infuriated some.

By my reckoning it was the 53rd minute until Derry delivered a foot pass inside to the FF line (discounting a nice threaded pass to the full back who made a clever run inside in first half.)  They seemed extremely risk averse even in their running game.

I have 2 free tickets for this if anyone needs any? Can be emailed over

Anyone notice the Fermanagh No. 2 got booked for the Down penalty even though he wasn't near the tackle on Havern.
Ref was having a good look in his book with the umpire before giving the booking .. looked strange

Yes it was a peculiar one.  It could have been mistaken identity.  It could have been for an off the ball incident previous to that.  It could have been for something he said.  But he had no part in the penalty that's for sure.  He brought Kerr back for a free after his goal shot was saved, yet any contact was minimal.  I found the referee a little frustrating in general, some very soft frees at times and yet let the big hit on McEvoy go.

I will never endure a worse 38 minutes of "football" than what I witnessed today.

4 scores . 1-1 to 1-1 at half time .

Will somebody think of the children .
Awful stuff.

Second half was a bit better but it couldn't have been much more.

Offaly won it with a point in the last kick of the game .

But Jesus that was a hard watch

How was it so bad? I thought there was something wrong with Score Beo app when I was following!

Really disappointing to be 1 up with 5 to go and get nothing out of it. How did we get on overall and who done well for us?

There's a real whiff of Alan Partridge in this thread ...

[Every team in Down football (and most of Ireland) uses long passages of skill-less ball retention as a way of minimising opposition touches, and to assist in physical recovery. Every team in Down plays regular short kick outs with no clear purpose other than to make sure their opponents don't get the ball. Every team in Down has a deficiency (and a lack of trust) in players willing to deliver 50 yards kick passes into space.]

While there's no doubt at all that Island are an infinitely more positive team since Jody Gormley was replaced, you're being a heavy touch sensitive there MR. Every team in Down football (and most of Ireland) uses long passages of skill-less ball retention as a way of minimising opposition touches, and to assist in physical recovery. Every team in Down plays regular short kick outs with no clear purpose other than to make sure their opponents don't get the ball. Every team in Down has a deficiency (and a lack of trust) in players willing to deliver 50 yards kick passes into space. Loughinisland must have been a pleasure to watch this season after 3 years of Jody's tripe, but spare us your plea.

I'm not a Down man, but this really resonated with me.  Most of the football I am watching is in Fermanagh, but I've watched football in a variety of counties over the years.  So much of the football is formulaic yet lacking any real purpose.  Players are not being developed to be intuitive or make the correct decisions, they're being developed to "not give it away" and follow the "process."  There is a real lack of trust in coaching currently, we are overanalysing, especially at club level.

How do I stop her indoors from moving things around the house and denying ever touching them? Things with designated spots too, back door key, the iron, phone charger etc. anyone else encounter this and how do I make it stop?

Can you carry out an experiment on our behalf, and then let us know how it goes?

Start putting these items in absurd places, but places that she will come across naturally over the course of the day.  For example, put the iron in with the cereals.  Put the phone charger in with the salt and pepper.  The back door key on top of the kettle.  You get it at this stage.  Don't do it once, just keep putting them in these places repeatedly.  Eventually she might suggest keeping them somewhere a little more sensible and once she has come up with this great idea, you can join in and hopefully find your way back to the designated areas. 

Just to keep things fresh, every now and then accidentally return something to an absurd spot, and apologise profusely when pulled on it.

[Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?]

If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.

When did this become a thing? ref blows whistle, he doesn't need to blow it again and if players are back 13 meters from kick then whats the problem with taking a 'quick' free if these are met?

It's always been a thing;

2.6 With the Referee's consent, a free kick may be taken immediately.
  Exceptions:
  A penalty kick and a free kick awarded to a team from their opponents' 13m line.

I never did, in fairness most teams defence will crowd round and restrict that from happening.. Though I can see what this means, all players must be 13 meters away from play, as I said in my post above if all players are 13 meters away there is no reason to stop it being played (in my view I'm right lol)

I'd given a free last night on the D one lad gave a bit of verbal's and I brought the ball forward the player had a free shot on goal as he was taking it quick, missed an open net!!

The 13m away from a free is pretty much ignored everywhere else on the field.  The obvious example, and one which occurs repeatedly in every game, is a player fouled who takes the free immediately.  That is never pulled back to allow the fouler to retreat sufficient distance (thankfully!)  In the instance of a 13M free, it isn't really a factor because the referee just waits for everyone to get back on the line (which essentially delivers the ruling of "no quick free.")  Why give the defensive team control over that scenario in this way?  It promotes fouling.  It promotes players crowding around the freetaker (which incidentally should be penalised.)  If a player can take a quick 13M free, and the outcome for obstructing that is a penalty, would it not help discourage the foul in the first place?

With your scenario above, a quick free was entirely fine unless you brought it up to the 13M line, in which case he must have gave you a right good mouthful because that's over 20M 

[Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?]

If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.

When did this become a thing? ref blows whistle, he doesn't need to blow it again and if players are back 13 meters from kick then whats the problem with taking a 'quick' free if these are met?

It's always been a thing;

2.6 With the Referee's consent, a free kick may be taken immediately.
  Exceptions:
  A penalty kick and a free kick awarded to a team from their opponents' 13m line.

If we take the infamous Conor McManus/Sean Cavanagh incident, the same will happen now regardless of the black card?  I always felt it would be beneficial to allow the fouled player to still be allowed to fist pass the ball, with no restriction on distance.  Obviously there will be an outcry at the reduction of the sacred kickpass, but it could be restricted to frees inside attacking 21.  Any further interference with the player results in a penalty.  Conor McManus could conceivably have got up and laid the ball off to an incoming player and still had a goal chance.  The same goes for a mark too, why not allow a player to lay off to an in rushing player even if they have called the mark?  Is a kicked 15 yard free really that precious?

Also why do we not allow quick frees from the 13?  What purpose does that serve other than to benefit someone who has committed a foul?  I don't see why we should be giving the defence time to get back to the line, that is merely an incentive to foul.  Drop that rule altogether imo.