Any nailed-on from those who are out?
Rian O'Neill will get one.
Not sure if Derry will now.
Quote from: ONeill on July 09, 2022, 11:19:53 PM
Any nailed-on from those who are out?
Rian O'Neill will get one.
Not sure if Derry will now.
When did a semi finalists not win at least one? plenty of past quarter finalists haven't won any.
Yeah, they'll give Derry one. Rogers, McKaigue, Glass or McGuigan. Probably McKaigue.
Quote from: ONeill on July 10, 2022, 12:03:50 AM
Yeah, they'll give Derry one. Rogers, McKaigue, Glass or McGuigan. Probably McKaigue.
Rodgers roasted today and McGuigan poor. McKaigue and possibly Glass will get AS
Quote from: TheMistro on July 10, 2022, 12:08:43 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 10, 2022, 12:03:50 AM
Yeah, they'll give Derry one. Rogers, McKaigue, Glass or McGuigan. Probably McKaigue.
Rodgers roasted today and McGuigan poor. McKaigue and possibly Glass will get AS
Mckaigue only shout now I'd say. Hi I'm no expert. Love to see Rogers get one but took on a lot of water today
I remember Wexford got fcuk all in 08 for reaching the semis.
My XV would be
Ryan Kerry
McKaigue Derry
Foley Kerry
O'Sullivan Kerry
Morley Kerry
Daly Galway
White Kerry
Glass Derry
Conroy Galway
Tierney Galway
O'Shea Kerry
Grugan Armagh
P.Clifford Kerry
D. Clifford Kerry
Comer Galway
O'Sullivan Kerry Conroy Galway POTY
Rian O'Neill is nailed on.
Quote from: ONeill on July 10, 2022, 12:16:27 AM
Rian O'Neill is nailed on.
He was quiet from play in Galway match. Very good against Donegal.
Quote from: TheMistro on July 10, 2022, 12:13:54 AM
My XV would be
Ryan Kerry
McKaigue Derry
Foley Kerry
O'Sullivan Kerry
Morley Kerry
Daly Galway
White Kerry
Glass Derry
Conroy Galway
Tierney Galway
O'Shea Kerry
Grugan Armagh
P.Clifford Kerry
D. Clifford Kerry
Comer Galway
O'Sullivan Kerry Conroy Galway POTY
LOL as they say.
It's hard to see any Tyrone all stars.
As things stand it's hard to see how you any Kerry player would get one.
McKaigue nailed on and Glass maybe for Derry. McCluskey should be on the list too after his performance v Walsh but I think he'll get one in time.
Quote from: seafoid on July 10, 2022, 08:15:17 AM
It's hard to see any Tyrone all stars.
We'll console ourself with the 8 last year. 😆
The AI Champions will get 7 or 8
The runners up will get 3 or 4
The losing semi finalists will get 1 each.
That leaves 1 to 3 up for grabs.
Quote from: screenexile on July 10, 2022, 08:23:27 AM
As things stand it's hard to see how you any Kerry player would get one.
McKaigue nailed on and Glass maybe for Derry. McCluskey should be on the list too after his performance v Walsh but I think he'll get one in time.
Can't see Glass.
Wasnt great yesterday and he has serious competition now with the Galway midfielders and the Kerry/Dublin midfield.
Agree about McCluskey. Was sensational yesterday on Walsh
Mckaigue will get derry's award. Rodgers still has a reasonable chance. Glass has been Derry's player of the championship, but midfield is competitive and it didn't happen for him at all yesterday, so think that's it for Derry.
This year might be different. It's hard to say ahead of the second semi but there was a greater spread of teams with a say. Maybe the championship is less predictable. It might be reflected in the all stars. Sometimes they recognise achievements eg Tipp winning Munster
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2022, 08:56:25 AM
The AI Champions will get 7 or 8
The runners up will get 3 or 4
The losing semi finalists will get 1 each.
That leaves 1 to 3 up for grabs.
Yes that's the way it's been in recent years.
A good semi final performance is normally enough to win one so Comer should be nailed on now.
Think Ethan Rafferty could get one from Armagh ahead of O Neill, unless Kerry or Dublin's keeper pulls off something today or the final there is no really candidate. Lynch and Gleeson have done enough not even to get a nomination.
As brilliant as O Neill was in flashes was he consistence enough to get one?
Tailteann cup team winners bound to get a token all star. Was a super competition, delighted to see a good Westmeath side win it. Heslin or fullback could be favs.
Quote from: Rudi on July 10, 2022, 10:40:56 AM
Tailteann cup team winners bound to get a token all star. Was a super competition, delighted to see a good Westmeath side win it. Heslin or fullback could be favs.
I'm nearly certain there is going to be a separate All-Stars 15 for the Tailteann Cup teams.
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Quote from: Rudi on July 10, 2022, 10:40:56 AM
Tailteann cup team winners bound to get a token all star. Was a super competition, delighted to see a good Westmeath side win it. Heslin or fullback could be favs.
I'm nearly certain there is going to be a separate All-Stars 15 for the Tailteann Cup teams.
Not this year but in future I think.
Quote from: onefineday on July 10, 2022, 09:30:20 AM
Mckaigue will get derry's award. Rodgers still has a reasonable chance. Glass has been Derry's player of the championship, but midfield is competitive and it didn't happen for him at all yesterday, so think that's it for Derry.
Conor McCluskey has been brilliant for Derry all season including yesterday. He's the best all round corner back this year. Superb at marking and also attacking. Held Walsh scoreless from play yesterday and repeatedly put him on the back foot. If there's only one for Derry he deserves it although we might get 2.
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Quote from: onefineday on July 10, 2022, 09:30:20 AM
Mckaigue will get derry's award. Rodgers still has a reasonable chance. Glass has been Derry's player of the championship, but midfield is competitive and it didn't happen for him at all yesterday, so think that's it for Derry.
Conor McCluskey has been brilliant for Derry all season including yesterday. He's the best all round corner back this year. Superb at marking and also attacking. Held Walsh scoreless from play yesterday and repeatedly put him on the back foot. If there's only one for Derry he deserves it although we might get 2.
I think McKaigue is nailed on because of all the noise around him but I agree that McCluskey has been unreal all year. He did some job on Walsh yesterday.
Kilkenny a certainty now too I would say. Unsure on other dub forwards. Would expect comer, Kilkenny, Clifford possibly by 2 then O'Shea or Walsh final depending among the forwards.
Kilkenny is definitely in the mix, possible the only Dub in the mix?
I would also have Grugan marginally over O'Neill, I think he was more consistent.
Derry had a few possibilities going into the weekends game. McKaigue, McCloskey, Rodgers, McGuigan, Glass. I can only see Derry getting 2 maximum now.
GK spot hasn't got many takers, going to be a Derry and Galway keepers are ruled out, cant see Comerford. Possibly between Murphy/Rafferty?
Kerry - O'Shea, Clifford(both?), O'Sullivan, Morley. O Beaglaioch really threw himself in the mix yesterday too.
Galway - Kelly, Daly, Conroy, Comer. Maybe McDaid?
The numbers for All Star team depends on the outcome of the final (for example we've had years where a one point win for a team after a close game will flip 3 players from one to the other) but provided Galway aren't hammered out the gate or he has an absolute stinker, then if John Daly doesn't get an All Star this year it'll just prove that unless you are one of the two or three "name" players on the teams outside of Kerry/Dublin/Mayo/Tyrone then you aren't considered. He has been absolutely immense for three games in a row against Roscommon, Armagh and Derry and should walk onto the All Star team.
Similarly there is another player who mightn't be reeled off as one of the two or three high profile "known" Derry men but McCluskey should 100% get an All Star, outstanding defender and from what I saw up close on Saturday he can do it without any of the off the ball nonsense either, would love to have him lining out in maroon.
Glass played himself out of an All Star Saturday evening I think, very disappointing performance from his and a Derry point of view.
Quote from: toby47 on July 11, 2022, 09:05:15 AM
Kilkenny is definitely in the mix, possible the only Dub in the mix?
I would also have Grugan marginally over O'Neill, I think he was more consistent.
Derry had a few possibilities going into the weekends game. McKaigue, McCloskey, Rodgers, McGuigan, Glass. I can only see Derry getting 2 maximum now.
GK spot hasn't got many takers, going to be a Derry and Galway keepers are ruled out, cant see Comerford. Possibly between Murphy/Rafferty?
Kerry - O'Shea, Clifford(both?), O'Sullivan, Morley. O Beaglaioch really threw himself in the mix yesterday too.
Galway - Kelly, Daly, Conroy, Comer. Maybe McDaid?
I'd agree with nearly all of those names. Armagh will do well to get one All Star having been knocked out in the QFs. If they do then I think it will probably be Rafferty that wins it in goals. Rian O'Neill, Grugan, Morgan and soupy will probably get nominated but I don't see any of them winning awards. If Galway actually win the AI then that QF match takes on a lot greater significance though. Dublin and Derry will likely get a token award each, probably Kilkenny for Dublin and McKaigue for Derry. Derry could possibly squeeze out another award depending on how the final goes.
A lot will depend on the final. A good performance can get lads in while a bad one can see someone who has been doing well miss out.
I think Comer is probably the one certainty in the Galway team at the moment.
Molloy and McHugh have both been exceptional for us this year as well I'd have them in contention anyway leading into the final.
John Daly has been absolutely immense for us this year - the one doubt I have is that outside of Galway I get the feeling that he is underrated. Not a household name so may not get the credit he deserves.
Rafferty
Rogers
McKaigue
O Sullivan
Molloy
O Beagleach
Daly
Conroy
OConnor (if he has good final..got through a lot of unseen work yesterday.. and no real outstanding midfielders this year)
Clifford
Comer
OShea
Kilkenny
P Clifford (if he has good final)
Finnerty (if he has good final)
Gavin whites injuries will rule him out I think..fully fit and playing all year and he's in
I wouldn't expect any of our players to get an all star but I can see a few being nominated. Rian. Grugan. Rafferty. Soupy.
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 11, 2022, 12:51:24 PM
I wouldn't expect any of our players to get an all star but I can see a few being nominated. Rian. Grugan. Rafferty. Soupy.
I'd say Rafferty would be the best bet. It has to be between him and Shane Ryan now for the goalkeeper spot, can't see Lynch, Gleeson or Comerford getting it.
Quote from: Onthe40 on July 11, 2022, 12:09:33 PM
Rafferty
Rogers
McKaigue
O Sullivan
Molloy
O Beagleach
Daly
Conroy
OConnor (if he has good final..got through a lot of unseen work yesterday.. and no real outstanding midfielders this year)
Clifford
Comer
OShea
Kilkenny
P Clifford (if he has good final)
Finnerty (if he has good final)
Gavin whites injuries will rule him out I think..fully fit and playing all year and he's in
Be hard to see Armagh keeper getting one on the premise that they were knocked out in the quarter-final.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on July 11, 2022, 12:51:24 PM
I wouldn't expect any of our players to get an all star but I can see a few being nominated. Rian. Grugan. Rafferty. Soupy.
I'd say Rafferty would be the best bet. It has to be between him and Shane Ryan now for the goalkeeper spot, can't see Lynch, Gleeson or Comerford getting it.
I'd say Ryan will get it unless he has a complete mare in the final.
E Rafferty
Lee Gannon
McKaigue
T O'Sullivan
TBC
Sean Kelly
TBC
Conroy
TBC
Kilkenny
SOS
P Clifford (If he has a decent final)
D Clifford
Comer
TBC
Other Contenders C McCluskey, Rogers, Campbell, Finnerty, Ryan, Molloy, BO'B, O'Neill, J Foley, Daly...
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E Rafferty
Lee Gannon
McKaigue
T O'Sullivan
TBC
Sean Kelly
TBC
Conroy
TBC
Kilkenny
SOS
P Clifford (If he has a decent final)
D Clifford
Comer
TBC
Other Contenders C McCluskey, Rogers, Campbell, Finnerty, Ryan, Molloy, BO'B, O'Neill, J Foley, Daly...
I think Rodgers and McCluskey will get on each for Derry. That's probably it.
I'd say McCluskey, Rogers, McKaigue, McKinless, Glass and McGuigan will all be nominated. 1-3 of those to actually get an award. Can't see McKinless actually winning one but think will be nominated.
When was the last Derry all-star?
Someone on the RTE podcast said today that the work Derry need to do now such as finding a few forwards and developing game management plans is small beer compared to the work done to get here , from the nether regions of the league to discussing all Stars.
Quote from: seafoid on July 11, 2022, 03:44:04 PM
When was the last Derry all-star?
Someone on the RTE podcast said today that the work Derry need to do now such as finding a few forwards and developing game management plans is small beer compared to the work done to get here , from the nether regions of the league to discussing all Stars.
They've maybe 1-2 years left. Depends how long phlegm hands sticks around. They'll blow up. It's Derry ffs.
Quote from: seafoid on July 11, 2022, 03:44:04 PM
When was the last Derry all-star?
Someone on the RTE podcast said today that the work Derry need to do now such as finding a few forwards and developing game management plans is small beer compared to the work done to get here , from the nether regions of the league to discussing all Stars.
They were division 4 a few years ago and now they are disappointed with not getting to an AI final. They were never Division 4 standard but still that's a fairly meteoric rise. And yet still some have slated Gallagher for Saturdays performance. He is clever enough to know that they can't compete to win an AI title without carrying more of a scoring threat. That style is far too one dimensional and predictable against the top teams and it is a blessing in disguise that they didn't make the final as I think it would have got nasty.
However they were missing their best player all season if they can get McFaul back and add one or two forwards then they will be competing consistently to win Ulster in the next few years.
Derry always have good footballers and have been doing pretty well at underage for quite a few years now. The problem was the appetite wasn't there for the county team and Gallagher has brought it back. I personally don't think it's a meteoric rise. They are probably slightly over achieving yes but there are, and always have been , good footballers in Derry. They were in division 4 because they had a succession of managers who just hadn't player buy in.
I do think they may struggle a bit next year but they should be playing more at the level they are at - top end division 2 / bottom end division 1.
Quote from: oakleaflad on July 11, 2022, 03:39:06 PM
I'd say McCluskey, Rogers, McKaigue, McKinless, Glass and McGuigan will all be nominated. 1-3 of those to actually get an award. Can't see McKinless actually winning one but think will be nominated.
McKaigue and possibly McCluskey
the issue i have with this type of game management is that when a teams go 3/4 points behind they will always struggle as they are so set in the sytem( there is no plan b). Derry will stay at a decent level but this was the year to get to the final, next year will be more difficult with the group stages etc.
Quote from: seafoid on July 11, 2022, 03:44:04 PM
When was the last Derry all-star?
2007 Kevin McCloy and Paddy Bradley
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Quote from: seafoid on July 11, 2022, 03:44:04 PM
When was the last Derry all-star?
Someone on the RTE podcast said today that the work Derry need to do now such as finding a few forwards and developing game management plans is small beer compared to the work done to get here , from the nether regions of the league to discussing all Stars.
They were division 4 a few years ago and now they are disappointed with not getting to an AI final. They were never Division 4 standard but still that's a fairly meteoric rise. And yet still some have slated Gallagher for Saturdays performance. He is clever enough to know that they can't compete to win an AI title without carrying more of a scoring threat. That style is far too one dimensional and predictable against the top teams and it is a blessing in disguise that they didn't make the final as I think it would have got nasty.
However they were missing their best player all season if they can get McFaul back and add one or two forwards then they will be competing consistently to win Ulster in the next few years.
McFaul was on the Derry panel for the NFL. 1 or 2 starts but mostly used as a sub why was that if he is as you regard their best player?
Quote from: Estimator on July 11, 2022, 04:15:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 11, 2022, 03:44:04 PM
When was the last Derry all-star?
2007 Kevin McCloy and Paddy Bradley
Had a look at the others All Stars that year, and it was a strange enough group.
Winners: Kerry - 6 All Stars
Finalists: Cork - 1 All Star
Semi Finalists: Dublin - 4 All Stars
Meath - 1 All Star
Quarter Finalists: Derry - 2 All Stars
Monaghan - 1 All Star
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Quote from: seafoid on July 11, 2022, 03:44:04 PM
When was the last Derry all-star?
Someone on the RTE podcast said today that the work Derry need to do now such as finding a few forwards and developing game management plans is small beer compared to the work done to get here , from the nether regions of the league to discussing all Stars.
They were division 4 a few years ago and now they are disappointed with not getting to an AI final. They were never Division 4 standard but still that's a fairly meteoric rise. And yet still some have slated Gallagher for Saturdays performance. He is clever enough to know that they can't compete to win an AI title without carrying more of a scoring threat. That style is far too one dimensional and predictable against the top teams and it is a blessing in disguise that they didn't make the final as I think it would have got nasty.
However they were missing their best player all season if they can get McFaul back and add one or two forwards then they will be competing consistently to win Ulster in the next few years.
McFaul was on the Derry panel for the NFL. 1 or 2 starts but mostly used as a sub why was that if he is as you regard their best player?
I'm not entirely sure maybe his head just wasn't in it. I would say that he is certainly one of their best players but I don't know whether he will go back or not, I'm only speculating, Derry supporters would have a better idea.
Quote from: Rudi on July 10, 2022, 10:40:56 AM
Tailteann cup team winners bound to get a token all star. Was a super competition, delighted to see a good Westmeath side win it. Heslin or fullback could be favs.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-fine-tuning-details-of-all-star-scheme-for-tailteann-cup-41587426.html
interesting that Shane Walsh hasn't been mentioned by anyone...at start of year if you had said Galway would be in a final most folk would've assumed he'd be a shoein for an Allstar... what is wrong with the lad considering the ability he has?
His non contribution from play on sat and his melt down in last few mins v Armagh are his biggest moments to date.. a massive final could swing one for him..
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Quote from: seafoid on July 11, 2022, 03:44:04 PM
When was the last Derry all-star?
Someone on the RTE podcast said today that the work Derry need to do now such as finding a few forwards and developing game management plans is small beer compared to the work done to get here , from the nether regions of the league to discussing all Stars.
They were division 4 a few years ago and now they are disappointed with not getting to an AI final. They were never Division 4 standard but still that's a fairly meteoric rise. And yet still some have slated Gallagher for Saturdays performance. He is clever enough to know that they can't compete to win an AI title without carrying more of a scoring threat. That style is far too one dimensional and predictable against the top teams and it is a blessing in disguise that they didn't make the final as I think it would have got nasty.
However they were missing their best player all season if they can get McFaul back and add one or two forwards then they will be competing consistently to win Ulster in the next few years.
McFaul was on the Derry panel for the NFL. 1 or 2 starts but mostly used as a sub why was that if he is as you regard their best player?
I'm not entirely sure maybe his head just wasn't in it. I would say that he is certainly one of their best players but I don't know whether he will go back or not, I'm only speculating, Derry supporters would have a better idea.
'from our point of view he hasn't been as committed as we would have liked over the course of this year' - Gallagher
Are people actually 'excited' about these things?
Would not be concerned if it was dumped completely.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 11, 2022, 05:00:22 PM
Are people actually 'excited' about these things?
Would not be concerned if it was dumped completely.
If Antrim were in with getting a few youd possibly feel differently!
But I always feel too much of it comes down to the semi finals and final and ignoring the rest of the championship and entire league.
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Are people actually 'excited' about these things?
Would not be concerned if it was dumped completely.
If Antrim were in with getting a few youd possibly feel differently!
But I always feel too much of it comes down to the semi finals and final and ignoring the rest of the championship and entire league.
Not at all, just find it boring..
Is it based on championship or both? And if you're dumped out early why would you not ignore players that only played 2/3 games?
Quote from: Onthe40 on July 11, 2022, 04:46:44 PM
interesting that Shane Walsh hasn't been mentioned by anyone...at start of year if you had said Galway would be in a final most folk would've assumed he'd be a shoein for an Allstar... what is wrong with the lad considering the ability he has?
His non contribution from play on sat and his melt down in last few mins v Armagh are his biggest moments to date.. a massive final could swing one for him..
Type of player that needs a lot of time and room on the ball to flourish. Roscommon gave him that in Connacht final while Mayo Armagh, Derry did not. He's improved on his free taking in fairness to him and good free taker shouldn't be underestimated as Sean O'Shea showed yesterday.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 11, 2022, 03:44:04 PM
When was the last Derry all-star?
Someone on the RTE podcast said today that the work Derry need to do now such as finding a few forwards and developing game management plans is small beer compared to the work done to get here , from the nether regions of the league to discussing all Stars.
They were division 4 a few years ago and now they are disappointed with not getting to an AI final. They were never Division 4 standard but still that's a fairly meteoric rise. And yet still some have slated Gallagher for Saturdays performance. He is clever enough to know that they can't compete to win an AI title without carrying more of a scoring threat. That style is far too one dimensional and predictable against the top teams and it is a blessing in disguise that they didn't make the final as I think it would have got nasty.
However they were missing their best player all season if they can get McFaul back and add one or two forwards then they will be competing consistently to win Ulster in the next few years.
McFaul was on the Derry panel for the NFL. 1 or 2 starts but mostly used as a sub why was that if he is as you regard their best player?
I'm not entirely sure maybe his head just wasn't in it. I would say that he is certainly one of their best players but I don't know whether he will go back or not, I'm only speculating, Derry supporters would have a better idea.
'from our point of view he hasn't been as committed as we would have liked over the course of this year' - Gallagher
He told Gallagher in January that he was going to the States to play ball. Gallagher strung him along and tried to keep him involved throughout the national league in a vain hope that he would change his mind, the closer it got to championship. Once it was clear that he wasn't changing his mind, Gallagher announced that he had gassed him. Ciaran should have walked in January. Consistently Derry's best footballer over the past 10 years
JOHN FOGARTY on the Irish Examiner front-runners for the All-Star football awards
Ethan Rafferty (Armagh).
Could yet be squeezed out in the official awards by steady Shane Ryan but Rafferty was a breath of fresh air for Armagh in the qualifiers and All-Ireland quarter-final.
Chrissy McKaigue (Derry).
On Saturday, he added Robert Finnerty to the list of players he has subdued this year. The Derry captain looked reborn in the man-marking role he was handed.
Jason Foley (Kerry).
Incredibly disciplined all year, not just in his tackling but positional-wise. Always had the speed but Paddy Tally has brought more out of the Ballydonoghue man.
Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry).
Kerry's best big game player, O'Sullivan is his team's joint fourth top scorer in this championship. Seamlessly moves between man-marking and attacking.
James McCarthy (Dublin).
Missed the quarter-final but was outstanding for Dublin in the Leinster final and Sunday's All-Ireland semi-final. The Rolls Royce Dublin desperately hopes rolls on into 2023.
John Daly (Galway).
Understated footballer but the quality of his passing to Damien Comer on Saturday was a sight to behold. Has produced some key turnovers like that on Conor Glass to Comer's second goal.
Lee Keegan (Mayo).
Liam Silke, Dylan McHugh and Gareth McKinless have shouts but Keegan was a primary reason for Mayo coming through the qualifiers and competing with Kerry.
Conor Glass (Derry).
His consideration and commitment to Derry's structure was a huge part of its success and claiming an historic Ulster title. He's only going to get better.
Cillian McDaid (Galway).
Since the Connacht final, he has been outstanding and his sheer will was a major factor in dismissing Armagh. Footballer of the year contender.
Paudie Clifford (Kerry).
Keegan kept him quiet in the quarter-final but the leadership Clifford showed against Dublin in the second half was a return to the form he has from the start of the season.
Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin).
The most consistent footballer in the country and possibly the best for the high standards he regularly meets. Drove Dublin's second-half comeback on Sunday.
Damien Comer (Galway).
Bison-like in how he runs and tackles, Comer is the X factor in the Galway attack. Prepared to put his body on the line time after time for the benefit of his team.
Shane McGuigan (Derry).
Will be disappointed with his display on Saturday but he has an incredible championship with 1-14 from play spearheading Derry's attack.
David Clifford (Kerry).
Missed the high-scoring Munster final win over Limerick and yet he is Kerry's second top scorer. He might not be fully fit but it has hardly hampered his exquisite talent.
Shane Walsh (Galway).
Similar to David Clifford, he isn't playing his best football but the leadership he's showing is more than good enough for inclusion. His quality and variety of free-taking hits new heights
3 Derry players? Absolutely deluded.
Last time Tyrone were beaten semi-finalists in 2019 we got 2 All-Stars and we were narrowly beaten by Kerry, not well beaten by Galway.
Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2022, 02:30:44 AM
3 Derry players? Absolutely deluded.
Last time Tyrone were beaten semi-finalists in 2019 we got 2 All-Stars and we were narrowly beaten by Kerry, not well beaten by Galway.
Cavan won Ulster in 2020 and got 3 all.stars.
No qualifiers then.
I doubt mcguigan will get one or probably glass either as they weren't overly prominent against Galway.
McCarthy didn't have enough games I'd have thought and not sure on keegan.
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Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2022, 02:30:44 AM
3 Derry players? Absolutely deluded.
Last time Tyrone were beaten semi-finalists in 2019 we got 2 All-Stars and we were narrowly beaten by Kerry, not well beaten by Galway.
Cavan won Ulster in 2020 and got 3 all.stars.
different circumstances
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Quote from: seafoid on July 11, 2022, 03:44:04 PM
When was the last Derry all-star?
Someone on the RTE podcast said today that the work Derry need to do now such as finding a few forwards and developing game management plans is small beer compared to the work done to get here , from the nether regions of the league to discussing all Stars.
They were division 4 a few years ago and now they are disappointed with not getting to an AI final. They were never Division 4 standard but still that's a fairly meteoric rise. And yet still some have slated Gallagher for Saturdays performance. He is clever enough to know that they can't compete to win an AI title without carrying more of a scoring threat. That style is far too one dimensional and predictable against the top teams and it is a blessing in disguise that they didn't make the final as I think it would have got nasty.
However they were missing their best player all season if they can get McFaul back and add one or two forwards then they will be competing consistently to win Ulster in the next few years.
McFaul was on the Derry panel for the NFL. 1 or 2 starts but mostly used as a sub why was that if he is as you regard their best player?
I'm not entirely sure maybe his head just wasn't in it. I would say that he is certainly one of their best players but I don't know whether he will go back or not, I'm only speculating, Derry supporters would have a better idea.
'from our point of view he hasn't been as committed as we would have liked over the course of this year' - Gallagher
He told Gallagher in January that he was going to the States to play ball. Gallagher strung him along and tried to keep him involved throughout the national league in a vain hope that he would change his mind, the closer it got to championship. Once it was clear that he wasn't changing his mind, Gallagher announced that he had gassed him. Ciaran should have walked in January. Consistently Derry's best footballer over the past 10 years
Not sure what you think Gallagher did wrong there? He kept him involved, but ultimately if you want to play the style Derry do, you need to be completely bought in.
Whilst he's been an outstanding club footballer, i don't think he has ever been as influential at county level.
Shane McGuigan and Walsh haven't been good enough to get one.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 13, 2022, 09:55:05 AM
Shane McGuigan and Walsh haven't been good enough to get one.
Would agree. Walsh looks like carrying an injury a bit v Armagh. Tho a good game in final and he gets one
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 13, 2022, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 04:38:57 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2022, 02:30:44 AM
3 Derry players? Absolutely deluded.
Last time Tyrone were beaten semi-finalists in 2019 we got 2 All-Stars and we were narrowly beaten by Kerry, not well beaten by Galway.
Cavan won Ulster in 2020 and got 3 all.stars.
different circumstances
If Galway win the final or play really well then the Derry semi final performance is viewed differently. If Galway get stuffed in the final then Derry probably only get one.
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 13, 2022, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 04:38:57 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 13, 2022, 02:30:44 AM
3 Derry players? Absolutely deluded.
Last time Tyrone were beaten semi-finalists in 2019 we got 2 All-Stars and we were narrowly beaten by Kerry, not well beaten by Galway.
Cavan won Ulster in 2020 and got 3 all.stars.
different circumstances
During the 6 in a row the committee were more flúirseach towards other counties. Cavan got 3 but Tipp got 1 in 2020
This year will depend a lot on performance in the final. If there is no competition in a certain position, Derry/Armagh may be in with a shout.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2022, 08:05:21 AM
No qualifiers then.
I doubt mcguigan will get one or probably glass either as they weren't overly prominent against Galway.
McCarthy didn't have enough games I'd have thought and not sure on keegan.
Lee Gannon might get in for McCarthy.
All Stars are given out for Semi final & Final really
Derry might get two if lucky - McCluskey & AN other
The big stars Glass, Rogers & McGuigan & McKinless were destroyed against Galway ( twice)
Before the semi final they had 5 or 6 of the best going players in Ireland. One bad day can change a lot.
Quote from: rrhf on July 13, 2022, 12:06:45 PM
Before the semi final they had 5 or 6 of the best going players in Ireland. One bad day can change a lot.
the deeper into the competition you go, the higher the standards.
Beating Tyrone was stunning but maybe Clare would have beaten them too.
Rogers, Mc Kinless, Mc Keague and Mc Guigan are top level and they always have the GOAT.
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 12:12:48 PM
Quote from: rrhf on July 13, 2022, 12:06:45 PM
Before the semi final they had 5 or 6 of the best going players in Ireland. One bad day can change a lot.
the deeper into the competition you go, the higher the standards.
Beating Tyrone was stunning but maybe Clare would have beaten them too.
I agree, the reason the all stars are generally given to most teams deep into the competition is the standard gets better, and those greater players usually rise to the challenge and thus are more fitting of them.
For me Rodgers would have been an all star for sure, but Comer excelled on him and probably put that discussion to bed.
Rafferty in nets would be an interesting one. On the merits of his contributions to Armagh, for sure he was a standout player, but on his goalkeeping alone, for which if he were to win an allstar it would be for nets, other goalkeepers would be hard done by. I mean I can't remember his goalkeeping ability as being outstanding, if that makes sense. It would be interesting to see how this one goes.
If Riain O Neill dosent get one Ill eat my hat.
Quote from: rrhf on July 13, 2022, 01:14:00 PM
If Riain O Neill dosent get one Ill eat my hat.
Why should somebody from a team knocked out in the 1/4 final get one?
They didn't even win Ulster.
People getting carried away I think.
If they are deemed in the best 15 players in the country....
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2022, 02:18:34 PM
If they are deemed in the best 15 players in the country....
So somebody from Clare should get an All-Star in football?
Or Cork etc. They all got as far as Armagh.
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2022, 02:18:34 PM
If they are deemed in the best 15 players in the country....
So somebody from Clare should get an All-Star in football?
Or Cork etc. They all got as far as Armagh.
Yeah but unlike Cork & Clare, Armagh aren't sh1t and didnt get easy passages to the QF!
The other 3 qfs were shite. Armagh-Galway was compelling. Loads of media attention. Armagh in the Q4 were probably better than Derry in the semi...
Zero chance of O'Neill getting an All Star.
McKaigue nailed on to get one and deservedly so, just feel like their achievements this year deserve another one but not sure thats going too happen. Dublin getting a couple of All Stars would be ridiculous considering they got beat in their only proper game.
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2022, 02:18:34 PM
If they are deemed in the best 15 players in the country....
So somebody from Clare should get an All-Star in football?
Or Cork etc. They all got as far as Armagh.
Not should - could.
They just didn't have anyone good enough this year.
If Gary Brennan was about this year then maybe.
Quote from: 5times5times on July 13, 2022, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2022, 02:18:34 PM
If they are deemed in the best 15 players in the country....
So somebody from Clare should get an All-Star in football?
Or Cork etc. They all got as far as Armagh.
Yeah but unlike Cork & Clare, Armagh aren't sh1t and didnt get easy passages to the QF!
Armagh, like Clare and Cork etc. were dumped out at the quarter-final stage. End of.
They don't sit down and judge who got an easier route to the quarter-finals.
I'd say most people would say Rafferty had a better championship than O'Neill.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 13, 2022, 03:01:24 PM
Zero chance of O'Neill getting an All Star.
Well that's just not correct.
He probably has somewhere between a 25%-50% chance of getting one. A lot will depend on the performances of 3 or 4 rivals in the final. The higher scoring the final becomes the lower his chances get.
Debatable whether he deserves one. On scoring alone, probably not. But O'Neill isn't really just a forward - he's a midfielder, playmaker, and FF all rolled into one. Maybe this adaptability counts against him - it's difficult to pigeon hole him. But he also has a pretty high profile, which is handy when looking an All Star.
There are never 15 nailed-on all-Stars. They always horsetrade over the last few.
Since 2010 there have been an average of 4.6 Allstars awarded to non-finalists. The lowest was 2 in 2017 and
the highest was 7 in 2010.
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 13, 2022, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2022, 02:18:34 PM
If they are deemed in the best 15 players in the country....
So somebody from Clare should get an All-Star in football?
Or Cork etc. They all got as far as Armagh.
Yeah but unlike Cork & Clare, Armagh aren't sh1t and didnt get easy passages to the QF!
Armagh, like Clare and Cork etc. were dumped out at the quarter-final stage. End of.
They don't sit down and judge who got an easier route to the quarter-finals.
I'd say most people would say Rafferty had a better championship than O'Neill.
Karl Lacey got two of his four All Stars in years when Donegal went out at the quarter final on the back of top performances against good opposition all the way through the championship. Both those years ('06 and '09) we lost to Cork in the quarters, but even in the 2009 one when we were hammered out the gate, he gave a tour de force at corner back. Maybe not a typical example, as before he was moved up the field under McGuinness, Lacey was fairly peerless as a corner back with the exception of maybe Keith Higgins.
Murphy got young player of the year in 2009 off a quarter final exit campaign.
If you're good enough up to QF and get knocked out no reason why not an all star.
On the flip side too if you get to quarters and hammered in semis then you can play yourself out of one. Probably happened a bit on saturday. Walsh would have been a cert too up until Armagh and has , currently, played himself out of one.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2022, 05:09:47 PM
If you're good enough up to QF and get knocked out no reason why not an all star.
On the flip side too if you get to quarters and hammered in semis then you can play yourself out of one. Probably happened a bit on saturday. Walsh would have been a cert too up until Armagh and has , currently, played himself out of one.
Disagree. He hit those frees for Galway when it mattered against Derry and he can still make it.
Starring role in a Galway win in the final and he'll have done enough to bag one.
Not saying that's likely. Just that the door isn't shut.
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 04:53:49 PM
There are never 15 nailed-on all-Stars. They always horsetrade over the last few.
Since 2010 there have been an average of 4.6 Allstars awarded to non-finalists. The lowest was 2 in 2017 and
the highest was 7 in 2010.
Do you know how many went to non finalists and non semi-finalists Seafoid?
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 13, 2022, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2022, 02:18:34 PM
If they are deemed in the best 15 players in the country....
So somebody from Clare should get an All-Star in football?
Or Cork etc. They all got as far as Armagh.
Yeah but unlike Cork & Clare, Armagh aren't sh1t and didnt get easy passages to the QF!
Armagh, like Clare and Cork etc. were dumped out at the quarter-final stage. End of.
They don't sit down and judge who got an easier route to the quarter-finals.
I'd say most people would say Rafferty had a better championship than O'Neill.
It perfectly legitimate to judge a players performance in games where he is against other good players and is well marked etc. This can happen in quarter final just as easily as a semi-final.
It can.... but the chances of anyone other than the last 4 getting one is extremely slim.
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 04:53:49 PM
There are never 15 nailed-on all-Stars. They always horsetrade over the last few.
Since 2010 there have been an average of 4.6 Allstars awarded to non-finalists. The lowest was 2 in 2017 and
the highest was 7 in 2010.
Do you know how many went to non finalists and non semi-finalists Seafoid?
I will have a go tomorrow. It seems to be a function of the final. There were 4 in 2010
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 06:46:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 04:53:49 PM
There are never 15 nailed-on all-Stars. They always horsetrade over the last few.
Since 2010 there have been an average of 4.6 Allstars awarded to non-finalists. The lowest was 2 in 2017 and
the highest was 7 in 2010.
Do you know how many went to non finalists and non semi-finalists Seafoid?
I will have a go tomorrow. It seems to be a function of the final. There were 4 in 2010
Good stuff, thanks.
I'd say Chrissy McK gets one....nailed on...
Rodgers should....has been incredible......but after the Galway game not so sure now....
McCluskey should but wont....he's been absolutely brilliant....
Not sure on others....Glass...McGuigan etc....cannot see it...
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 08:30:27 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 06:46:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 04:53:49 PM
There are never 15 nailed-on all-Stars. They always horsetrade over the last few.
Since 2010 there have been an average of 4.6 Allstars awarded to non-finalists. The lowest was 2 in 2017 and
the highest was 7 in 2010.
Do you know how many went to non finalists and non semi-finalists Seafoid?
I will have a go tomorrow. It seems to be a function of the final. There were 4 in 2010
Good stuff, thanks.
It's 14 over the 12 years.
So an average of about one a year. If a quarter finalist is to pick up an award this year then I'd suggest most would expect it to be a player from Armagh - the only county that didn't get tanked in their quarter final.
That one All Star is probably between Rafferty and O'Neill.
But the final could change things. Poor quality and/ or one sided finals can reduce the losing finalist's allocation, which in turn allows an award or two to filter down the order. Someone like Eoin Cleary could be a wildcard in that scenario.
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 04:53:49 PM
There are never 15 nailed-on all-Stars. They always horsetrade over the last few.
Since 2010 there have been an average of 4.6 Allstars awarded to non-finalists. The lowest was 2 in 2017 and
the highest was 7 in 2010.
Do you know how many went to non finalists and non semi-finalists Seafoid?
Seo duit. The patterns are interesting
2010 final Cork 4 Down 4 Semis Tyrone 1 Kildare 2 Others Louth Kerry Sligo Dublin all 1 each
2011 Final Dublin 6 Kerry 4 Semis Donegal 3 Mayo 1 Others Kildare 1
2012Final Mayo 4 Donegal 8 Semis Cork 2 Dublin 1 Others 0
2013 Final Dublin 6 Mayo 4 Semis Tyrone 1 Kerry 2 Others Monaghan 2
2014 Final Kerry 5 Donegal 4 Semis Dublin 3 Mayo 3 Others 0
2015 Final Dublin 7 Kerry 4 Semis Mayo 2 Tyrone 1 Other Monaghan 1
2016 Final Dublin 6 Mayo 4 Semis Tipperary 1 Kerry 1 Others Tyrone 2 Donegal 1
2017 Final Dublin 7 Mayo 6 Semis Kerry 1 Tyrone 1 Others 0
2018 Final Dublin 7 Tyrone 2 Semis Galway 1 Monaghan 3 Others Kerry 1 Donegal 1
2019 Final Dublin 7 Kerry 4 Semis Tyrone 2 Mayo 1 Other Donegal 1
2020 Final Dublin 9 Mayo 2 Semis Cavan 3 Tipperary 1 Others 0
2021 Final Tyrone 8 Mayo 3 Semis Dublin 3 Kerry 1 Others 0
Quote from: Onthe40 on July 11, 2022, 04:46:44 PM
interesting that Shane Walsh hasn't been mentioned by anyone...at start of year if you had said Galway would be in a final most folk would've assumed he'd be a shoein for an Allstar... what is wrong with the lad considering the ability he has?
His non contribution from play on sat and his melt down in last few mins v Armagh are his biggest moments to date.. a massive final could swing one for him..
Did you watch the Connacht final? Its one of the standout performances of the season. He was good from play v Armagh bar that moment at the end. Well marshalled the last day alright
As much as I love Rian o Neill, he might struggle to get in. At the moment Clifford, Comer and Kilkenny are nailed on forwards with P.Clifford and O'Se being very likely. Depends how the final goes, if Walsh or Finnerty have good games they'll probably get in as the last one but equally Galway could be comfortably beat and RON gets that spot
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 13, 2022, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 13, 2022, 04:53:49 PM
There are never 15 nailed-on all-Stars. They always horsetrade over the last few.
Since 2010 there have been an average of 4.6 Allstars awarded to non-finalists. The lowest was 2 in 2017 and
the highest was 7 in 2010.
Do you know how many went to non finalists and non semi-finalists Seafoid?
Seo duit. The patterns are interesting
2010 final Cork 4 Down 4 Semis Tyrone 1 Kildare 2 Others Louth Kerry Sligo Dublin all 1 each
2011 Final Dublin 6 Kerry 4 Semis Donegal 3 Mayo 1 Others Kildare 1
2012Final Mayo 4 Donegal 8 Semis Cork 2 Dublin 1 Others 0
2013 Final Dublin 6 Mayo 4 Semis Tyrone 1 Kerry 2 Others Monaghan 2
2014 Final Kerry 5 Donegal 4 Semis Dublin 3 Mayo 3 Others 0
2015 Final Dublin 7 Kerry 4 Semis Mayo 2 Tyrone 1 Other Monaghan 1
2016 Final Dublin 6 Mayo 4 Semis Tipperary 1 Kerry 1 Others Tyrone 2 Donegal 1
2017 Final Dublin 7 Mayo 6 Semis Kerry 1 Tyrone 1 Others 0
2018 Final Dublin 7 Tyrone 2 Semis Galway 1 Monaghan 3 Others Kerry 1 Donegal 1
2019 Final Dublin 7 Kerry 4 Semis Tyrone 2 Mayo 1 Other Donegal 1
2020 Final Dublin 9 Mayo 2 Semis Cavan 3 Tipperary 1 Others 0
2021 Final Tyrone 8 Mayo 3 Semis Dublin 3 Kerry 1 Others 0
Thanks.
Quote from: Manning18 on July 13, 2022, 11:43:31 PM
As much as I love Rian o Neill, he might struggle to get in. At the moment Clifford, Comer and Kilkenny are nailed on forwards with P.Clifford and O'Se being very likely. Depends how the final goes, if Walsh or Finnerty have good games they'll probably get in as the last one but equally Galway could be comfortably beat and RON gets that spot
Shane McGuigan didn't have a great day out the last day but was the top scorer in the Ulster championship and then hit 1-08 in the QF including 1-07 from play. I reckon he could be in with a shout too.
Quote from: Manning18 on July 13, 2022, 11:40:00 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on July 11, 2022, 04:46:44 PM
interesting that Shane Walsh hasn't been mentioned by anyone...at start of year if you had said Galway would be in a final most folk would've assumed he'd be a shoein for an Allstar... what is wrong with the lad considering the ability he has?
His non contribution from play on sat and his melt down in last few mins v Armagh are his biggest moments to date.. a massive final could swing one for him..
Did you watch the Connacht final? Its one of the standout performances of the season. He was good from play v Armagh bar that moment at the end. Well marshalled the last day alright
Walsh got a point from play against Armagh, hardly an elite return.
McGuigan hasn't stood out in any games, unless you want to include a mismatch versus Clare. Out of interest, anybody got Walsh and McGuigans returns from play in their championship matches this years?
There have been players that have been on the presumed shortlist for POTY after the semi-final stage that didn't even get an All Star after how badly the final went for them. The final will dictate how many All Stars every county gets including those counties who aren't even playing on the 24th.
I don't think that's as equitable system as it should be but it's how it works every year.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 14, 2022, 02:00:19 PM
Walsh got a point from play against Armagh, hardly an elite return.
McGuigan hasn't stood out in any games, unless you want to include a mismatch versus Clare. Out of interest, anybody got Walsh and McGuigans returns from play in their championship matches this years?
From a quick tally up, McGuigan in 5 matches has scored 2-28 of which 1-13 was from play (1-7 of this in the Clare match). Walsh in 5 matches has scored 1-27 of which 1-6 was from play.
I do think if Galway win and Walsh has a very good game he will get an all star as thats just the nature of the all star selection policy.
Quote from: square_ball on July 14, 2022, 03:44:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 14, 2022, 02:00:19 PM
Walsh got a point from play against Armagh, hardly an elite return.
McGuigan hasn't stood out in any games, unless you want to include a mismatch versus Clare. Out of interest, anybody got Walsh and McGuigans returns from play in their championship matches this years?
From a quick tally up, McGuigan in 5 matches has scored 2-28 of which 1-13 was from play (1-7 of this in the Clare match). Walsh in 5 matches has scored 1-27 of which 1-6 was from play.
I do think if Galway win and Walsh has a very good game he will get an all star as thats just the nature of the all star selection policy.
Thanks. From the stats, neither player has set the world alight. But you are right, a good performance in the final will probably get Walsh one; it's a certainty if he plays well and Galway win.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 14, 2022, 02:00:19 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on July 13, 2022, 11:40:00 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on July 11, 2022, 04:46:44 PM
interesting that Shane Walsh hasn't been mentioned by anyone...at start of year if you had said Galway would be in a final most folk would've assumed he'd be a shoein for an Allstar... what is wrong with the lad considering the ability he has?
His non contribution from play on sat and his melt down in last few mins v Armagh are his biggest moments to date.. a massive final could swing one for him..
Did you watch the Connacht final? Its one of the standout performances of the season. He was good from play v Armagh bar that moment at the end. Well marshalled the last day alright
Walsh got a point from play against Armagh, hardly an elite return.
Is it all about scoring return though? For example in extra time he drove down the cusack side, beat his man and got dragged back, and kicked the free from near the sideline. That doesn't show up as a score from play would but is more impressive than the vast majority of scores from play. He was involved in a goal aswel in a classic situation of Armagh over-commiting players to him as he drew such attention and he could lay the pass over their heads. I do think his talent should deliver more from play than the last day anyway but circumstances have to be taken into account also. He plays deep as a runner and Comer/Finnerty are the out and out forwards
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 14, 2022, 02:00:19 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on July 13, 2022, 11:40:00 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on July 11, 2022, 04:46:44 PM
interesting that Shane Walsh hasn't been mentioned by anyone...at start of year if you had said Galway would be in a final most folk would've assumed he'd be a shoein for an Allstar... what is wrong with the lad considering the ability he has?
His non contribution from play on sat and his melt down in last few mins v Armagh are his biggest moments to date.. a massive final could swing one for him..
Did you watch the Connacht final? Its one of the standout performances of the season. He was good from play v Armagh bar that moment at the end. Well marshalled the last day alright
Walsh got a point from play against Armagh, hardly an elite return.
McGuigan hasn't stood out in any games, unless you want to include a mismatch versus Clare. Out of interest, anybody got Walsh and McGuigans returns from play in their championship matches this years?
Walsh has scored 1-6 from play in this years championship 1-3 of that came in the Connacht final which probably says more about the loose defending of Roscommon who in the next game conceded big against Clare and made Keelan Sexton look like All Star the same Sexton who failed to score against Derry and was subbed off 2nd half.
Shane Walsh more than capable of turning it on from play in the final especially if Kerry get match ups wrong.
It's an imperfect system so they might include Rian O'Neill elsewhere.
Last year they got it wrong with Kennedy over Kilpatrick and McGeary over Meyler for POTY.
Shane Walsh has already guaranteed himself an All Star.
Ciaran Molloy has one nailed now
After Shane Walsh's performance today he is a certainty and so is Conor McCluskey.
McDaid too.
Silke, Molloy, McDaid and Walsh were Galway's best players today. Daly was excellent first half.
For Kerry G O'Sullivan, Morley, Stephen O'Brien and Clifford were best.
I think Ethan Rafferty could get the goalkeepers spot now. Shane Ryan was competent again in goal but nothing more. Kerry were more about their defensive system as a whole this year.
Given how much the final performance has on all-star selections, has Comer played himself out of one?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 24, 2022, 08:52:52 PM
Given how much the final performance has on all-star selections, has Comer played himself out of one?
No. Comer done ok the second half today although he had to play much deeper than was ideal. The presence of Morley negated his threat but he done enough before today anyway. Comer, Walsh, O'Shea, two Clifford's and one other will be the forwards.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 24, 2022, 06:52:29 PM
Silke, Molloy, McDaid and Walsh were Galway's best players today. Daly was excellent first half.
For Kerry G O'Sullivan, Morley, Stephen O'Brien and Clifford were best.
I think Ethan Rafferty could get the goalkeepers spot now. Shane Ryan was competent again in goal but nothing more. Kerry were more about their defensive system as a whole this year.
Did Kerry concede any goals this championship?
Quote from: Estimator on July 24, 2022, 03:56:24 PM
Shane Walsh has already guaranteed himself an All Star.
He should have got one in 2018
Quote from: marty34 on July 24, 2022, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 24, 2022, 06:52:29 PM
Silke, Molloy, McDaid and Walsh were Galway's best players today. Daly was excellent first half.
For Kerry G O'Sullivan, Morley, Stephen O'Brien and Clifford were best.
I think Ethan Rafferty could get the goalkeepers spot now. Shane Ryan was competent again in goal but nothing more. Kerry were more about their defensive system as a whole this year.
Did Kerry concede any goals this championship?
One. Did Ryan make any saves in the championship? I think it was more down to the defensive system in front of him.
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Quote from: marty34 on July 24, 2022, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 24, 2022, 06:52:29 PM
Silke, Molloy, McDaid and Walsh were Galway's best players today. Daly was excellent first half.
For Kerry G O'Sullivan, Morley, Stephen O'Brien and Clifford were best.
I think Ethan Rafferty could get the goalkeepers spot now. Shane Ryan was competent again in goal but nothing more. Kerry were more about their defensive system as a whole this year.
Did Kerry concede any goals this championship?
One. Did Ryan make any saves in the championship? I think it was more down to the defensive system in front of him.
True but they'll look at it from a goal-keeping point of view and good going, regardless of opposition, if only one goal conceded.
If Kerry get 6-7 All Stars out the field then Rafferty will get one, but if its tight calls to get Kerry to that number they will give Ryan one.
Quote from: marty34 on July 24, 2022, 09:14:25 PM
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Quote from: marty34 on July 24, 2022, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on July 24, 2022, 06:52:29 PM
Silke, Molloy, McDaid and Walsh were Galway's best players today. Daly was excellent first half.
For Kerry G O'Sullivan, Morley, Stephen O'Brien and Clifford were best.
I think Ethan Rafferty could get the goalkeepers spot now. Shane Ryan was competent again in goal but nothing more. Kerry were more about their defensive system as a whole this year.
Did Kerry concede any goals this championship?
One. Did Ryan make any saves in the championship? I think it was more down to the defensive system in front of him.
True but they'll look at it from a goal-keeping point of view and good going, regardless of opposition, if only one goal conceded.
All things need to be considered. Rafferty was much more influential for Armagh than Ryan was for Kerry. But on the other hand Rafferty was on a team that was beat in the quarter final whereas Ryan has an AI medal. A lot will depend on how they divvy them out but I'd say Kerry could get as many as 3 defenders in the side after today. Morley, O'Sullivan and Foley probably.
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Silke, Molloy, McDaid and Walsh were Galway's best players today. Daly was excellent first half.
For Kerry G O'Sullivan, Morley, Stephen O'Brien and Clifford were best.
I think Ethan Rafferty could get the goalkeepers spot now. Shane Ryan was competent again in goal but nothing more. Kerry were more about their defensive system as a whole this year.
Did Kerry concede any goals this championship?
One. Did Ryan make any saves in the championship? I think it was more down to the defensive system in front of him.
True but they'll look at it from a goal-keeping point of view and good going, regardless of opposition, if only one goal conceded.
All things need to be considered. Rafferty was much more influential for Armagh than Ryan was for Kerry. But on the other hand Rafferty was on a team that was beat in the quarter final whereas Ryan has an AI medal. A lot will depend on how they divvy them out but I'd say Kerry could get as many as 3 defenders in the side after today. Morley, O'Sullivan and Foley probably.
O'Sullivan was very poor today. I thought they'd have switched him earlier.
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Quote from: marty34 on July 24, 2022, 09:05:29 PM
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Silke, Molloy, McDaid and Walsh were Galway's best players today. Daly was excellent first half.
For Kerry G O'Sullivan, Morley, Stephen O'Brien and Clifford were best.
I think Ethan Rafferty could get the goalkeepers spot now. Shane Ryan was competent again in goal but nothing more. Kerry were more about their defensive system as a whole this year.
Did Kerry concede any goals this championship?
One. Did Ryan make any saves in the championship? I think it was more down to the defensive system in front of him.
True but they'll look at it from a goal-keeping point of view and good going, regardless of opposition, if only one goal conceded.
All things need to be considered. Rafferty was much more influential for Armagh than Ryan was for Kerry. But on the other hand Rafferty was on a team that was beat in the quarter final whereas Ryan has an AI medal. A lot will depend on how they divvy them out but I'd say Kerry could get as many as 3 defenders in the side after today. Morley, O'Sullivan and Foley probably.
O'Sullivan was very poor today. I thought they'd have switched him earlier.
He wasn't good today agreed but he was one of the front runners for POTY before today. It's not inconceivable that he could fall out completely but I think that would be harsh as he was up against an inspired Shane Walsh today. Same as Sean Kelly the other side who didn't have a terrible game by any means, just that he was up against a scoring machine on fire.
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Given how much the final performance has on all-star selections, has Comer played himself out of one?
No. Comer done ok the second half today although he had to play much deeper than was ideal. The presence of Morley negated his threat but he done enough before today anyway. Comer, Walsh, O'Shea, two Clifford's and one other will be the forwards.
Rian O'Neill.
Rian O'Neill at midfield anyone?
Spends as much gametime in and about the middle as in the forward line, so not all that absurd.
McDaid is a shoo-in for a midfield spot, but there's no standout option for the second spot.
Conroy maybe played his way out of an award today. No Kerry men really played their way in. Glass quiet in his semi-final. Fenton maybe?
More competition for awards in the forward line.
GAAJOE have named their all Star team..
No Dubs in it.
Galway have more players than Kerry.
Galway 6
Kerry 5
Derry 2
Armagh 2
1. Ethan Rafferty - Armagh
2. Tom O'Sullivan - Kerry
3. Sean Kelly - Galway
4. Chrissy McKaigue - Derry
5. Brian Ó Beaglaoich - Kerry
6. John Daly - Galway
7. Kieran Molloy - Galway
8. Cillian McDaid - Galway
9. Conor Glass - Derry
10. Rian O'Neill - Armagh
11. Seán O'Shea -Kerry
12. Shane Walsh - Galway
13. David Clifford - Kerry
14. Damien Comer - Galway
15. Paudie Clifford - Kerry
They state that Brendan Rogers, Stefan Campbell and Paul Conroy were the unlucky ones to miss out...
14. Damien Comer - Galway?
It's a good team.
Not sure if any of these did enough in their last championship match to deserve an honour: O'Sullivan, Glass, O'Shea, Comer. They were all central in their teams getting as far as they did, and that can't be understated. But James McCarthy and Ciaran Kilkenny delivered more when the challenge was presented.
Kilkenny is a certainty. Rian O'Neill for midfield wouldn't be a bad shout either, I don't be think he gets in the 6 forwards.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 24, 2022, 10:33:53 PM
Kilkenny is a certainty. Rian O'Neill for midfield wouldn't be a bad shout either, I don't be think he gets in the 6 forwards.
It would be. Contesting (and winning) throw-ins is quite a low bar for All-Star midfielders.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2022, 10:31:05 PM
It's a good team.
Not sure if any of these did enough in their last championship match to deserve an honour: O'Sullivan, Glass, O'Shea, Comer. They were all central in their teams getting as far as they did, and that can't be understated. But James McCarthy and Ciaran Kilkenny delivered more when the challenge was presented.
Kilkenny very poor in the first half v Kerry, took him a long while to get into it.
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Zero chance of O'Neill getting an All Star.
Well that's just not correct.
He probably has somewhere between a 25%-50% chance of getting one. A lot will depend on the performances of 3 or 4 rivals in the final. The higher scoring the final becomes the lower his chances get.
Debatable whether he deserves one. On scoring alone, probably not. But O'Neill isn't really just a forward - he's a midfielder, playmaker, and FF all rolled into one. Maybe this adaptability counts against him - it's difficult to pigeon hole him. But he also has a pretty high profile, which is handy when looking an All Star.
Hold my hands up here, he's in with a good chance now given the lack of contenders at midfield. McDaid nailed on and suspect its between Glass and O'Neill for the other spot.
Canavans Team
Shane Ryan - Kerry
Conor McCloskey - Derry
Jason Foley - Kerry
Liam Silke - Galway
Tom O'Sullivan - Kerry
John Daly - Galway
Gavin White - Kerry
Cillian McDaid - Galway
Rian O'Neill - Armagh
Ciaran Kilkenny - Dublin
Sean O'Shea - Kerry
Shane Walsh - Galway
Paudie Clifford - Kerry
David Clifford - Kerry
Shane McGuigan - Derry
Kerry 7
Galway 4
Derry 2
Armagh 1
Dublin 1
Explanation for his picks:
https://www.skysports.com/gaa/football/news/30553/12658893/gaelic-football-team-of-the-year-2022-peter-canavan-selects-his-all-stars-xv-after-kerry-win-the-all-ireland-title
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Canavans Team
Shane Ryan - Kerry
Conor McCloskey - Derry
Jason Foley - Kerry
Liam Silke - Galway
Tom O'Sullivan - Kerry
John Daly - Galway
Gavin White - Kerry
Cillian McDaid - Galway
Rian O'Neill - Armagh
Ciaran Kilkenny - Dublin
Sean O'Shea - Kerry
Shane Walsh - Galway
Paudie Clifford - Kerry
David Clifford - Kerry
Shane McGuigan - Derry
Kerry 7
Galway 4
Derry 2
Armagh 1
Dublin 1
Explanation for his picks:
https://www.skysports.com/gaa/football/news/30553/12658893/gaelic-football-team-of-the-year-2022-peter-canavan-selects-his-all-stars-xv-after-kerry-win-the-all-ireland-title
I'd take serious issue with Canavans assertion that Ryan was far and away the best goalkeeper this year,. He most definitely wasn't. Rafferty for me had a much greater impact on Armagh than Ryan had on Kerry. Using the goals conceded is also neither here nor there, you need to look at how many actual saves he had to make. It was mostly down to Kerrys defensive system and not Shane Ryan. That said Ryan has his All Ireland medal and we know what way these things work. There are a few other marginal calls that could go either way but its only one persons opinion.
Clifford is a certainty to get POTY and probably Shane Walsh and McDaid will be the 2 other nominations.
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Canavans Team
Shane Ryan - Kerry
Conor McCloskey - Derry
Jason Foley - Kerry
Liam Silke - Galway
Tom O'Sullivan - Kerry
John Daly - Galway
Gavin White - Kerry
Cillian McDaid - Galway
Rian O'Neill - Armagh
Ciaran Kilkenny - Dublin
Sean O'Shea - Kerry
Shane Walsh - Galway
Paudie Clifford - Kerry
David Clifford - Kerry
Shane McGuigan - Derry
Kerry 7
Galway 4
Derry 2
Armagh 1
Dublin 1
Explanation for his picks:
https://www.skysports.com/gaa/football/news/30553/12658893/gaelic-football-team-of-the-year-2022-peter-canavan-selects-his-all-stars-xv-after-kerry-win-the-all-ireland-title
I'd take serious issue with Canavans assertion that Ryan was far and away the best goalkeeper this year,. He most definitely wasn't. Rafferty for me had a much greater impact on Armagh than Ryan had on Kerry. Using the goals conceded is also neither here nor there, you need to look at how many actual saves he had to make. It was mostly down to Kerrys defensive system and not Shane Ryan. That said Ryan has his All Ireland medal and we know what way these things work. There are a few other marginal calls that could go either way but its only one persons opinion.
Clifford is a certainty to get POTY and probably Shane Walsh and McDaid will be the 2 other nominations.
McGuigan shouldn't get one either, take away the Clare mismatch and I think he got 6 points from play in the championship. Not the return of an All Star forward.
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Canavans Team
Shane Ryan - Kerry
Conor McCloskey - Derry
Jason Foley - Kerry
Liam Silke - Galway
Tom O'Sullivan - Kerry
John Daly - Galway
Gavin White - Kerry
Cillian McDaid - Galway
Rian O'Neill - Armagh
Ciaran Kilkenny - Dublin
Sean O'Shea - Kerry
Shane Walsh - Galway
Paudie Clifford - Kerry
David Clifford - Kerry
Shane McGuigan - Derry
Kerry 7
Galway 4
Derry 2
Armagh 1
Dublin 1
Explanation for his picks:
https://www.skysports.com/gaa/football/news/30553/12658893/gaelic-football-team-of-the-year-2022-peter-canavan-selects-his-all-stars-xv-after-kerry-win-the-all-ireland-title
I'd take serious issue with Canavans assertion that Ryan was far and away the best goalkeeper this year,. He most definitely wasn't. Rafferty for me had a much greater impact on Armagh than Ryan had on Kerry. Using the goals conceded is also neither here nor there, you need to look at how many actual saves he had to make. It was mostly down to Kerrys defensive system and not Shane Ryan. That said Ryan has his All Ireland medal and we know what way these things work. There are a few other marginal calls that could go either way but its only one persons opinion.
Clifford is a certainty to get POTY and probably Shane Walsh and McDaid will be the 2 other nominations.
McGuigan shouldn't get one either, take away the Clare mismatch and I think he got 6 points from play in the championship. Not the return of an All Star forward.
A division two team who beat 3 division one teams deserves more than one all start IMO, Mcluskey and Mcguigan correct for me
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Canavans Team
Shane Ryan - Kerry
Conor McCloskey - Derry
Jason Foley - Kerry
Liam Silke - Galway
Tom O'Sullivan - Kerry
John Daly - Galway
Gavin White - Kerry
Cillian McDaid - Galway
Rian O'Neill - Armagh
Ciaran Kilkenny - Dublin
Sean O'Shea - Kerry
Shane Walsh - Galway
Paudie Clifford - Kerry
David Clifford - Kerry
Shane McGuigan - Derry
Kerry 7
Galway 4
Derry 2
Armagh 1
Dublin 1
Explanation for his picks:
https://www.skysports.com/gaa/football/news/30553/12658893/gaelic-football-team-of-the-year-2022-peter-canavan-selects-his-all-stars-xv-after-kerry-win-the-all-ireland-title
I'd take serious issue with Canavans assertion that Ryan was far and away the best goalkeeper this year,. He most definitely wasn't. Rafferty for me had a much greater impact on Armagh than Ryan had on Kerry. Using the goals conceded is also neither here nor there, you need to look at how many actual saves he had to make. It was mostly down to Kerrys defensive system and not Shane Ryan. That said Ryan has his All Ireland medal and we know what way these things work. There are a few other marginal calls that could go either way but its only one persons opinion.
Clifford is a certainty to get POTY and probably Shane Walsh and McDaid will be the 2 other nominations.
McGuigan shouldn't get one either, take away the Clare mismatch and I think he got 6 points from play in the championship. Not the return of an All Star forward.
That's extremely harsh for me. Not sure the same thing would be said of any other forward included. He was the 2nd top scorer in the All Ireland Championship and it's not as if he was just a free taker. He won plenty of free's himself, caught kickouts and turned over ball in general play. Even won a ball in front of his own goals in the Ulster final at a stage to help them win the game.
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Quote from: Estimator on July 26, 2022, 02:36:32 PM
Canavans Team
Shane Ryan - Kerry
Conor McCloskey - Derry
Jason Foley - Kerry
Liam Silke - Galway
Tom O'Sullivan - Kerry
John Daly - Galway
Gavin White - Kerry
Cillian McDaid - Galway
Rian O'Neill - Armagh
Ciaran Kilkenny - Dublin
Sean O'Shea - Kerry
Shane Walsh - Galway
Paudie Clifford - Kerry
David Clifford - Kerry
Shane McGuigan - Derry
Kerry 7
Galway 4
Derry 2
Armagh 1
Dublin 1
Explanation for his picks:
https://www.skysports.com/gaa/football/news/30553/12658893/gaelic-football-team-of-the-year-2022-peter-canavan-selects-his-all-stars-xv-after-kerry-win-the-all-ireland-title
I'd take serious issue with Canavans assertion that Ryan was far and away the best goalkeeper this year,. He most definitely wasn't. Rafferty for me had a much greater impact on Armagh than Ryan had on Kerry. Using the goals conceded is also neither here nor there, you need to look at how many actual saves he had to make. It was mostly down to Kerrys defensive system and not Shane Ryan. That said Ryan has his All Ireland medal and we know what way these things work. There are a few other marginal calls that could go either way but its only one persons opinion.
Clifford is a certainty to get POTY and probably Shane Walsh and McDaid will be the 2 other nominations.
McGuigan shouldn't get one either, take away the Clare mismatch and I think he got 6 points from play in the championship. Not the return of an All Star forward.
I don't think he'll get one myself, but if we were subtracting totals from mismatches, and only counting scores from play, there would be very few lads who'd actually be considered all star material.
Working on the principles of:
1. Having a solid season.
2. Delivering standout performances in the biggest games.
3. Not randomly moving square pegs into round holes ie if a player is never seen in that position, don't put him there.
Shane Ryan
Conor McCloskey
Jason Foley
Chrissy McKaigue
John Daly
Tadgh Morley
Kieran Molloy
James McCarthy
Cillian McDaid
Ciaran Kilkenny
Riain O'Neill
Diarmuid O'Connor
Shane Walsh
David Clifford
Paudie Clifford
——
Comer, O'Shea, T O'Sullivan, O'Beagloich all dipped too much in the final to win all stars imho. Same for Rogers and McGuigan in semi final.
G O'Sullivan could be an easy swap for McKaigue.
Quote from: Estimator on July 24, 2022, 10:19:57 PM
GAAJOE have named their all Star team..
No Dubs in it.
Galway have more players than Kerry.
Galway 6
Kerry 5
Derry 2
Armagh 2
1. Ethan Rafferty - Armagh
2. Tom O'Sullivan - Kerry
3. Sean Kelly - Galway
4. Chrissy McKaigue - Derry
5. Brian Ó Beaglaoich - Kerry
6. John Daly - Galway
7. Kieran Molloy - Galway
8. Cillian McDaid - Galway
9. Conor Glass - Derry
10. Rian O'Neill - Armagh
11. Seán O'Shea -Kerry
12. Shane Walsh - Galway
13. David Clifford - Kerry
14. Damien Comer - Galway
15. Paudie Clifford - Kerry
They state that Brendan Rogers, Stefan Campbell and Paul Conroy were the unlucky ones to miss out...
Interesting opinions but we all know the All stars are selected differently. Usually 6 to 8 for the winners 4 or 5 for the runners up. Semi finalists getting rest maybe 1 player from a Quarter finalists.
For me Rafferty should be the goalie. However no way will he and O'Neill get an all star as like has been said that is not how they work.
McKaigue for me nailed on but at best Glass the only other Derry one. I don't think McGuigan should get one(good as he is). McCluskey would only get one if McKaigue wasn't nailed on. (He has higher profile than McCluskey but that will change).
Quote from: thewobbler on July 26, 2022, 03:26:04 PM
Working on the principles of:
1. Having a solid season.
2. Delivering standout performances in the biggest games.
3. Not randomly moving square pegs into round holes ie if a player is never seen in that position, don't put him there.
Shane Ryan
Conor McCloskey
Jason Foley
Chrissy McKaigue
John Daly
Tadgh Morley
Kieran Molloy
James McCarthy
Cillian McDaid
Ciaran Kilkenny
Riain O'Neill
Diarmuid O'Connor
Shane Walsh
David Clifford
Paudie Clifford
——
Comer, O'Shea, T O'Sullivan, O'Beagloich all dipped too much in the final to win all stars imho. Same for Rogers and McGuigan in semi final.
G O'Sullivan could be an easy swap for McKaigue.
No Seannie O'Shea is a miss take :o 0-10 v Cork, 0-5 vs Limrick, 0-3 vs Mayo, 1-4 vs Dublin & 0-3 from free's in final although quiet by his own standards. Nailed on All Star.
Keep seeing McKaigue being named as 'nailed on' i'd definitely have McCluskey ahead of him.
I think he's only nailed on over McCluskey because of media profile tbh.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 26, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
I think he's only nailed on over McCluskey because of media profile tbh.
True and a pity, people outside of Ulster would've only paid attention to mcluskey after his performance on Walsh
Both very good so not to take away from McKaigue but he does have a high profile.
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Quote from: thewobbler on July 26, 2022, 03:26:04 PM
Working on the principles of:
1. Having a solid season.
2. Delivering standout performances in the biggest games.
3. Not randomly moving square pegs into round holes ie if a player is never seen in that position, don't put him there.
Shane Ryan
Conor McCloskey
Jason Foley
Chrissy McKaigue
John Daly
Tadgh Morley
Kieran Molloy
James McCarthy
Cillian McDaid
Ciaran Kilkenny
Riain O'Neill
Diarmuid O'Connor
Shane Walsh
David Clifford
Paudie Clifford
——
Comer, O'Shea, T O'Sullivan, O'Beagloich all dipped too much in the final to win all stars imho. Same for Rogers and McGuigan in semi final.
G O'Sullivan could be an easy swap for McKaigue.
No Seannie O'Shea is a miss take :o 0-10 v Cork, 0-5 vs Limrick, 0-3 vs Mayo, 1-4 vs Dublin & 0-3 from free's in final although quiet by his own standards. Nailed on All Star.
Keep seeing McKaigue being named as 'nailed on' i'd definitely have McCluskey ahead of him.
Comer man of the match against Mayo & Derry and had very good matches against Armagh & Roscommon, he deserves an All Star. O'Shea also had a quite final and performances against Cork & Limerick shouldn't carry any weight when it comes to winning an All Stars but he is another media darling.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 26, 2022, 04:25:52 PM
Both very good so not to take away from McKaigue but he does have a high profile.
I think our problem is that our two corner backs were probably our most consistent players all year and probably are deserving but the likes of Silke and the O'Sullivan's have great claims there too and made it a game further. Rogers was outstanding too bar the Galway game but I think Foley is very likely at 3. More competition in defense than in the forwards this year for me.
Yeah I'd agree. I think despite a few outliers in predictions here about 3 or 4 of the forwards pick themselves. Not the same in defense.
7 or 8 Kerry
3 or 4 Galway
1 Derry
2 Dublin
And if there's a place left probably go to an Armagh man dye to their epic v Galway.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 26, 2022, 04:32:19 PM
Quote from: toby47 on July 26, 2022, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 26, 2022, 03:26:04 PM
Working on the principles of:
1. Having a solid season.
2. Delivering standout performances in the biggest games.
3. Not randomly moving square pegs into round holes ie if a player is never seen in that position, don't put him there.
Shane Ryan
Conor McCloskey
Jason Foley
Chrissy McKaigue
John Daly
Tadgh Morley
Kieran Molloy
James McCarthy
Cillian McDaid
Ciaran Kilkenny
Riain O'Neill
Diarmuid O'Connor
Shane Walsh
David Clifford
Paudie Clifford
——
Comer, O'Shea, T O'Sullivan, O'Beagloich all dipped too much in the final to win all stars imho. Same for Rogers and McGuigan in semi final.
G O'Sullivan could be an easy swap for McKaigue.
No Seannie O'Shea is a miss take :o 0-10 v Cork, 0-5 vs Limrick, 0-3 vs Mayo, 1-4 vs Dublin & 0-3 from free's in final although quiet by his own standards. Nailed on All Star.
Keep seeing McKaigue being named as 'nailed on' i'd definitely have McCluskey ahead of him.
Comer man of the match against Mayo & Derry and had very good matches against Armagh & Roscommon, he deserves an All Star. O'Shea also had a quite final and performances against Cork & Limerick shouldn't carry any weight when it comes to winning an All Stars but he is another media darling.
Re: O'Shea.
Big moments of the year stand out more than a collective at time.
His point V Dublin was a big moment.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 26, 2022, 05:21:10 PM
7 or 8 Kerry
3 or 4 Galway
1 Derry
2 Dublin
And if there's a place left probably go to an Armagh man dye to their epic v Galway.
Average for the last decade is 7 for winners and 4 for runners up
For Galway - Walsh and McDaid are the two bankers.
We may get one or two more.
John Daly should get one - but he seems to be extremely underrated outside Galway so may not make the cut. Damo was completely out of the game but may have done enough up to that to get the nod.
Outside of those 4 I would say Liam Silke also has a chance.
It will also depend on competition in each position and across forwards, midfield and backs.
It would probably be more interesting to make a group stab at the 45 nominees to see where the gaps in quality are.
Last year nominations per county were
Tyrone 15
Mayo 8
Kerry 7
Dublin 5
35 from the semifinalists
Monaghan 3
Armagh 2
Clare, Cork, Donegal, Galway and Kildare 1 each
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
Oisin McConville's team of the year:
Shane Ryan (Kerry)
Chrissy McKaigue (Derry)
Seán Kelly (Galway)
Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry)
James McCarthy (Dublin)
John Daly (Galway)
Gavin White (Kerry)
Cillian McDaid (Galway)
Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
Shane McGuigan (Derry)
Seán O'Shea (Kerry)
Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)
David Clifford (Kerry)
Damien Comer (Galway)
Shane Walsh (Galway)
Quote from: The Trap on July 26, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
What did Lee Keegan do to you in a past life?
He's an automatic pick regardless of criteria. Well unless the criteria is has to have won an AI.
Forgot about Lee keegan.....had Keith higgins in and he hadn't won an all ireland.......maybe just swap them.......loved higgins though!
Gormley not get a mention? I think people forget how good he was.
Dooher another that's unlucky to make the cut. Be a tough one to tie down. Forget about other peoples opinions, ask me two days running and I'd prob give you two different answers!!
Murphy would have to be in it for me. I'd give a shout for Sean Marty Lockhart too.
Has O'Callaghan done enough to be included in that kind of company? Still very young. Bernard Brogan probably there or thereabouts and Murphy has to be in it IMO. Donegal be nothing without him and have an AI and really should have had another one.
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 27, 2022, 09:48:24 AM
Has O'Callaghan done enough to be included in that kind of company? Still very young. Bernard Brogan probably there or thereabouts and Murphy has to be in it IMO. Donegal be nothing without him and have an AI and really should have had another one.
Cork have one in this period too , plus two more final appearances, but none of their players will be mentioned here.
2000 to 2022 is a very long period of time. And depends if we are looking at the best players, or the best players from the best teams , as there is a big difference!
If it's based off those who won all-stars in the period then John Keane with 2 all-stars should be in the conversation. But I'm sure recency bias will apply.
Without thinking much about who's missing from the list I'd have Dara O'se in for Connolly with Cavanagh moving to half forward. Murphy in for O'Callaghan.
Quote from: The Trap on July 26, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
Where's Padraig Joyce?
There were 23 footballers of the year between 2000 and 2022.
Who would you leave out?
Quote from: The Trap on July 26, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
I dont disagree with any of the players above, but with a total Derry bias applied I think all of the following would be in contention for this team:
Sean Marty Lockhart
Kevin McCloy
Kevin McGuckian
Fergal Doherty
Paddy Bradley
Enda Muldoon
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 27, 2022, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: The Trap on July 26, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
I dont disagree with any of the players above, but with a total Derry bias applied I think all of the following would be in contention for this team:
Sean Marty Lockhart
Kevin McCloy
Kevin McGuckian
Fergal Doherty
Paddy Bradley
Enda Muldoon
Maybe Lockhart but it would be very hard to make a case for the rest of them ahead of what is currently there. Likes of McCloy would be behind a right few full backs including the likes of Fay (there at start of the period) and Hampsey.
No doubt all great players brick and lots of counties could name players eg Conor McManus......Mattie Forde.....prob will be players that won all irelands or maybe somebody like keegan or higgjns from mayo though.
Can't believe I forgot dooher but prob others will spring up too!
I looked at players wgo won 5 all Stars but there weren't enough for a team. 5 all stars plus those who won 4 makes a team plus 2 subs
2021 FB Lee Keegan Mayo 5
2020 MD Brian Fenton Dublin 5 FOTY
2021 LWF Ciarán Kilkenny Dublin 5
2019 GK Stephen Clux Dublin 6 FOTY
2013 CF Colm Cooper Kerry 8
2013 LWF Seán Cavanagh Tyrone 5
2009 RWB Tomás Ó Sé Kerry 5
2005 CF Peter Canavan Tyrone 6
2000 MD Anthony Tohill Derry 4
2007 MD Darragh Ó Sé Kerry 4
2010 LWB Philip Jordan Tyrone 4
2012 CB Karl LaceyFOTY Donegal 4
2014 RWF Paul Flynn Dublin 4
2015 LCF Ber Brogan Dublin 4
2017 LCB Keith Higgins Mayo 4
subs
2017 RWB Colm Boyle Mayo 4
2020 CF Ciarán Kilkenny Dublin 4
Quote from: The Trap on July 26, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
Michael Donnellan and Sean Og De Paor another two that deserve at least considered.
Nominations have been revealed. Kerry have 12, Galway eight, Derry seven, Dublin six, Armagh five, Cork two and one each for Clare, Kildare, Limerick, Mayo and Monaghan.
PwC All-Stars Football Nominations 2022
Goalkeepers
Ethan Rafferty (Armagh)
Shane Ryan (Kerry)
Evan Comerford (Dublin)
Defenders
Jason Foley (Kerry)
Tadhg Morley (Kerry)
Brian Ó Beaglaoich (Kerry)
Graham O'Sullivan (Kerry)
Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry)
Gavin White (Kerry)
Liam Silke (Galway)
Seán Kelly (Galway)
John Daly (Galway)
Chrissy McKaigue (Derry)
Conor McCluskey (Derry)
Brendan Rogers (Derry)
James McCarthy (Dublin)
Lee Gannon (Dublin)
Lee Keegan (Mayo)
Jarlath Óg Burns (Armagh)
Seán Powter (Cork)
Cian Sheehan (Limerick)
Midfielders
Paul Conroy (Galway)
Cillian McDaid (Galway)
Conor Glass (Derry)
Gareth McKinless (Derry)
Brian Fenton (Dublin)
Jack Barry (Kerry)
Forwards
David Clifford (Kerry)
Seán O'Shea (Kerry)
Paudie Clifford (Kerry)
Stephen O'Brien (Kerry)
Shane Walsh (Galway)
Damien Comer (Galway)
Robert Finnerty (Galway)
Rian O'Neill (Armagh)
Stefan Campbell (Armagh)
Rory Grugan (Armagh)
Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin)
Con O'Callaghan (Dublin)
Shane McGuigan (Derry)
Ethan Doherty (Derry)
Ben McCormack (Kildare)
Eoin Cleary (Clare)
Steven Sherlock (Cork)
Jack McCarron (Monaghan)
PwC GAA/GPA Footballer of the Year
David Clifford (Kerry)
Cillian McDaid (Galway)
Shane Walsh (Galway)
PwC GAA/GPA Young Footballer of the Year
Lee Gannon (Dublin)
Ethan Doherty (Derry)
Jack Glynn (Galway)
How many games did O'Callaghan play?
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 07, 2022, 10:30:58 AM
How many games did O'Callaghan play?
I had the same thought. Molloy not getting a nomination shocked me also.
I know he ripped Kildare apart. Maybe he played in earlier Leinster games but I didn't see enough of them.
Yeah Molloy is very good and merits it more than a few others I would say.
There will be a few lads who don't have the name recognition who will be fucked over for the final 15 as well, it's the same every year.
Dylan McHugh also rather entitled to feel snubbed. Made a few mistakes during, but also quite effective all season in attacking from the HB line.
McHugh has more right to be aggrieved than Molloy IMO. Their HB counterpart should be one of the first names down on the actual All Star team but when you see the likes of the SG team of the year it wouldn't inspire you with confidence.
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 27, 2022, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: The Trap on July 26, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
I dont disagree with any of the players above, but with a total Derry bias applied I think all of the following would be in contention for this team:
Sean Marty Lockhart
Kevin McCloy
Kevin McGuckian
Fergal Doherty
Paddy Bradley
Enda Muldoon
In the name of God....
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 27, 2022, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: The Trap on July 26, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
I dont disagree with any of the players above, but with a total Derry bias applied I think all of the following would be in contention for this team:
Sean Marty Lockhart
Kevin McCloy
Kevin McGuckian
Fergal Doherty
Paddy Bradley
Enda Muldoon
if ever a poster demonstrated an ability to stand back and not take off the red tainted glasses this post is it. Lockhart absolutely. You do realise that all these players all played together in the same Derry team that for years could not put back to back wins in the Ulster championship and you think there is a case for them to be in the best overall team of the past twenty years. FFs
Quote from: shawshank on September 07, 2022, 02:37:40 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 27, 2022, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: The Trap on July 26, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
I dont disagree with any of the players above, but with a total Derry bias applied I think all of the following would be in contention for this team:
Sean Marty Lockhart
Kevin McCloy
Kevin McGuckian
Fergal Doherty
Paddy Bradley
Enda Muldoon
if ever a poster demonstrated an ability to stand back and not take off the red tainted glasses this post is it. Lockhart absolutely. You do realise that all these players all played together in the same Derry team that for years could not put back to back wins in the Ulster championship and you think there is a case for them to be in the best overall team of the past twenty years. FFs
If one Derry player was going to be there my choice would be Paddy Bradley. He was as good as any forward in Ireland in that period. If he was still playing he'd be Derry's best forward by a mile and I'm saying that as someone who rates Shane McGuigan highly.
Quote from: lenny on September 07, 2022, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: shawshank on September 07, 2022, 02:37:40 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 27, 2022, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: The Trap on July 26, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
I dont disagree with any of the players above, but with a total Derry bias applied I think all of the following would be in contention for this team:
Sean Marty Lockhart
Kevin McCloy
Kevin McGuckian
Fergal Doherty
Paddy Bradley
Enda Muldoon
if ever a poster demonstrated an ability to stand back and not take off the red tainted glasses this post is it. Lockhart absolutely. You do realise that all these players all played together in the same Derry team that for years could not put back to back wins in the Ulster championship and you think there is a case for them to be in the best overall team of the past twenty years. FFs
If one Derry player was going to be there my choice would be Paddy Bradley. He was as good as any forward in Ireland in that period. If he was still playing he'd be Derry's best forward by a mile and I'm saying that as someone who rates Shane McGuigan highly.
Agree with this. I like to think i'm fairly balanced and a few of those Derry players listed shouldn't be anywhere near it. Bradley was unbelievable and almost always double marked too. Lockhart deserves a mention too and that's it.
A shot out between Bradley and Lockhart I would put the house of Lockhart.
A stab at the possible team that i think will be selected
S Ryan
C McKaigue J Foley T O'Sullivan
J Daly. T Morley G White
C McDaid C Glass
P Clifford S O'Shea C Kilkenny
S Walsh D Comer D Clifford
Kerry 8
Galway 4
Derry 2
Dublin 1
Quote from: lenny on September 07, 2022, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: shawshank on September 07, 2022, 02:37:40 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 27, 2022, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: The Trap on July 26, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
I dont disagree with any of the players above, but with a total Derry bias applied I think all of the following would be in contention for this team:
Sean Marty Lockhart
Kevin McCloy
Kevin McGuckian
Fergal Doherty
Paddy Bradley
Enda Muldoon
if ever a poster demonstrated an ability to stand back and not take off the red tainted glasses this post is it. Lockhart absolutely. You do realise that all these players all played together in the same Derry team that for years could not put back to back wins in the Ulster championship and you think there is a case for them to be in the best overall team of the past twenty years. FFs
If one Derry player was going to be there my choice would be Paddy Bradley. He was as good as any forward in Ireland in that period. If he was still playing he'd be Derry's best forward by a mile and I'm saying that as someone who rates Shane McGuigan highly.
Take a day off would you. Anytime it was put up to Bradley he folded like a deck chair ffs.
Quote from: trailer on September 08, 2022, 12:23:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 07, 2022, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: shawshank on September 07, 2022, 02:37:40 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 27, 2022, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: The Trap on July 26, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
I dont disagree with any of the players above, but with a total Derry bias applied I think all of the following would be in contention for this team:
Sean Marty Lockhart
Kevin McCloy
Kevin McGuckian
Fergal Doherty
Paddy Bradley
Enda Muldoon
if ever a poster demonstrated an ability to stand back and not take off the red tainted glasses this post is it. Lockhart absolutely. You do realise that all these players all played together in the same Derry team that for years could not put back to back wins in the Ulster championship and you think there is a case for them to be in the best overall team of the past twenty years. FFs
If one Derry player was going to be there my choice would be Paddy Bradley. He was as good as any forward in Ireland in that period. If he was still playing he'd be Derry's best forward by a mile and I'm saying that as someone who rates Shane McGuigan highly.
Take a day off would you. Anytime it was put up to Bradley he folded like a deck chair ffs.
Paddy wouldn't have received the levels of vitriol and abuse from the hoards of Tyrone supporters if he wasn't as good as he was.
Derry's year hit hard
Quote from: JoG2 on September 08, 2022, 02:05:40 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 08, 2022, 12:23:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 07, 2022, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: shawshank on September 07, 2022, 02:37:40 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 27, 2022, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: The Trap on July 26, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
I dont disagree with any of the players above, but with a total Derry bias applied I think all of the following would be in contention for this team:
Sean Marty Lockhart
Kevin McCloy
Kevin McGuckian
Fergal Doherty
Paddy Bradley
Enda Muldoon
if ever a poster demonstrated an ability to stand back and not take off the red tainted glasses this post is it. Lockhart absolutely. You do realise that all these players all played together in the same Derry team that for years could not put back to back wins in the Ulster championship and you think there is a case for them to be in the best overall team of the past twenty years. FFs
If one Derry player was going to be there my choice would be Paddy Bradley. He was as good as any forward in Ireland in that period. If he was still playing he'd be Derry's best forward by a mile and I'm saying that as someone who rates Shane McGuigan highly.
Take a day off would you. Anytime it was put up to Bradley he folded like a deck chair ffs.
Paddy wouldn't have received the levels of vitriol and abuse from the hoards of Tyrone supporters if he wasn't as good as he was.
Derry's year hit hard
;D
Paddy was a class act.
Which made the day a young Karl Lacey outscored him 3-2 when marking him in 2006 all the sweeter.
I'm sure you similarly enjoyed Brendan Rogers doing likewise to Michael Murphy this year!
Quote from: JoG2 on September 08, 2022, 02:05:40 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 08, 2022, 12:23:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 07, 2022, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: shawshank on September 07, 2022, 02:37:40 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 27, 2022, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: The Trap on July 26, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
I dont disagree with any of the players above, but with a total Derry bias applied I think all of the following would be in contention for this team:
Sean Marty Lockhart
Kevin McCloy
Kevin McGuckian
Fergal Doherty
Paddy Bradley
Enda Muldoon
if ever a poster demonstrated an ability to stand back and not take off the red tainted glasses this post is it. Lockhart absolutely. You do realise that all these players all played together in the same Derry team that for years could not put back to back wins in the Ulster championship and you think there is a case for them to be in the best overall team of the past twenty years. FFs
If one Derry player was going to be there my choice would be Paddy Bradley. He was as good as any forward in Ireland in that period. If he was still playing he'd be Derry's best forward by a mile and I'm saying that as someone who rates Shane McGuigan highly.
Take a day off would you. Anytime it was put up to Bradley he folded like a deck chair ffs.
Paddy wouldn't have received the levels of vitriol and abuse from the hoards of Tyrone supporters if he wasn't as good as he was.
Derry's year hit hard
Every time it got sticky he walked off the panel.
Barry Owens would deserve a mention. I thought he was an outstanding Full back. Moynihan's best position was chb.
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 07, 2022, 04:03:18 PM
A stab at the possible team that i think will be selected
S Ryan
C McKaigue J Foley T O'Sullivan
J Daly. T Morley G White
C McDaid C Glass
P Clifford S O'Shea C Kilkenny
S Walsh D Comer D Clifford
Kerry 8
Galway 4
Derry 2
Dublin 1
Would be shocked if Rian O'Neill doesn't get one but thats maybe bias on my part. Not sure who you drop from that team though. Rafferty in nets would be a cert for me.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 09, 2022, 10:18:37 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 07, 2022, 04:03:18 PM
A stab at the possible team that i think will be selected
S Ryan
C McKaigue J Foley T O'Sullivan
J Daly. T Morley G White
C McDaid C Glass
P Clifford S O'Shea C Kilkenny
S Walsh D Comer D Clifford
Kerry 8
Galway 4
Derry 2
Dublin 1
Would be shocked if Rian O'Neill doesn't get one but thats maybe bias on my part. Not sure who you drop from that team though. Rafferty in nets would be a cert for me.
I'd be shocked if O'Neill does get one. I don't see any of the six named above being left out. The solution, as per The Sunday Game's team of the year, was to name O'Neill at midfield. It's perhaps indicative that that hasn't happened.
Ryan is the safe, conventional pick for GK. The candidate that a committee will settle on. Rafferty has his work cut out there.
So Armagh probably with zero, which is a bit disappointing. But I'd say we're looking at 8 or 9 next year and that'll be decent enough compensation.
Quote from: trailer on September 08, 2022, 02:45:53 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 08, 2022, 02:05:40 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 08, 2022, 12:23:24 PM
Quote from: lenny on September 07, 2022, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: shawshank on September 07, 2022, 02:37:40 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on July 27, 2022, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: The Trap on July 26, 2022, 10:32:45 PM
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan
Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan
I dont disagree with any of the players above, but with a total Derry bias applied I think all of the following would be in contention for this team:
Sean Marty Lockhart
Kevin McCloy
Kevin McGuckian
Fergal Doherty
Paddy Bradley
Enda Muldoon
if ever a poster demonstrated an ability to stand back and not take off the red tainted glasses this post is it. Lockhart absolutely. You do realise that all these players all played together in the same Derry team that for years could not put back to back wins in the Ulster championship and you think there is a case for them to be in the best overall team of the past twenty years. FFs
If one Derry player was going to be there my choice would be Paddy Bradley. He was as good as any forward in Ireland in that period. If he was still playing he'd be Derry's best forward by a mile and I'm saying that as someone who rates Shane McGuigan highly.
Take a day off would you. Anytime it was put up to Bradley he folded like a deck chair ffs.
Paddy wouldn't have received the levels of vitriol and abuse from the hoards of Tyrone supporters if he wasn't as good as he was.
Derry's year hit hard
Every time it got sticky he walked off the panel.
As usual you're showing complete ignorance. He only ever walked away once and it was towards the end of his career and nothing to do with stickiness. He destroyed lots of good defenders and was Derrys talisman for years. He was lightning fast, fearless, strong and extremely skilful. If he had any kind of decent support Derry would've been a lot more successful. When we played Tyrone they usually put at least 2 but often 3 men on him and they were able to because the other forwards weren't close to his quality.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on September 09, 2022, 02:20:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 09, 2022, 10:18:37 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 07, 2022, 04:03:18 PM
A stab at the possible team that i think will be selected
S Ryan
C McKaigue J Foley T O'Sullivan
J Daly. T Morley G White
C McDaid C Glass
P Clifford S O'Shea C Kilkenny
S Walsh D Comer D Clifford
Kerry 8
Galway 4
Derry 2
Dublin 1
Would be shocked if Rian O'Neill doesn't get one but thats maybe bias on my part. Not sure who you drop from that team though. Rafferty in nets would be a cert for me.
I'd be shocked if O'Neill does get one. I don't see any of the six named above being left out. The solution, as per The Sunday Game's team of the year, was to name O'Neill at midfield. It's perhaps indicative that that hasn't happened.
Ryan is the safe, conventional pick for GK. The candidate that a committee will settle on. Rafferty has his work cut out there.
So Armagh probably with zero, which is a bit disappointing. But I'd say we're looking at 8 or 9 next year and that'll be decent enough compensation.
That's the spirit! :)
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 07, 2022, 04:03:18 PM
A stab at the possible team that i think will be selected
S Ryan
C McKaigue J Foley T O'Sullivan
J Daly. T Morley G White
C McDaid C Glass
P Clifford S O'Shea C Kilkenny
S Walsh D Comer D Clifford
Kerry 8
Galway 4
Derry 2
Dublin 1
I'd say that's not far away, though I'd be surprised if Glass gets one. I'd think Brendan Rogers has to be very close to one, but wouldn't argue with any of the above.
It's a strange one from a Derry perspective. I think Rogers, McKaigue, McCluskey, Glass and McGuigan are all in contention and I think we'll win probably 2 but there isn't a standout that you'll say will definitely get one from that group.
Quote from: oakleaflad on September 09, 2022, 04:04:46 PM
It's a strange one from a Derry perspective. I think Rogers, McKaigue, McCluskey, Glass and McGuigan are all in contention and I think we'll win probably 2 but there isn't a standout that you'll say will definitely get one from that group.
McKaigue would be my choice. Rogers and Glass were probably nailed on but were awful against Galway. 2 Cliffords, O'Shea, Comer and Walsh pretty much nailed on in the forward line
Glass was exceptional all year, but like most Derry players was poor enough in the semi, again I put this down to not playing Rodgers Midfield to allow him to get forward, Conroy the other contender for Midfield was poor in the final so I expect Glass to edge him.
I've a niggle that they'll fit Rian O'Neill in somehow. Can't see any odds online.
Only mckaigue for us I'd say
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 09, 2022, 10:25:58 PM
Only mckaigue for us I'd say
Rodgers not be far away. He was outstanding until the semi final.
These things are given out based on Semis and Final.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 10, 2022, 09:47:59 AM
These things are given out based on Semis and Final.
Dubs probably second best team, given they ran Kerry so very close. But most saying just 1 for them (Kilkenny).
I think Glass is a certainty at midfield looking at the list of nominations. His only real rival is Conroy who was taken off in the final and didn't perform well that day. I thought that they might have shoehorned Rian O'Neill into that position but Glass is the obvious choice now that the nominations are complete. Rodgers, McKaigue and McCloskey all would have chances but only one of those will win an award.
Derry will get 2
McKaigue and Glass
Whether they are the most deserving 2, is another debate altogether
Quote from: Franko on September 14, 2022, 05:35:01 PM
Derry will get 2
McKaigue and Glass
Whether they are the most deserving 2, is another debate altogether
McKaigue definitely most deserving, then arguments to be made for Glass, Rogers and McGuigan all had days where they were superb.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 14, 2022, 09:10:55 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 14, 2022, 05:35:01 PM
Derry will get 2
McKaigue and Glass
Whether they are the most deserving 2, is another debate altogether
McKaigue definitely most deserving, then arguments to be made for Glass, Rogers and McGuigan all had days where they were superb.
McCluskey was our most consistent player all year, and that's saying something considering the year Derry had
Quote from: JoG2 on September 14, 2022, 09:26:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 14, 2022, 09:10:55 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 14, 2022, 05:35:01 PM
Derry will get 2
McKaigue and Glass
Whether they are the most deserving 2, is another debate altogether
McKaigue definitely most deserving, then arguments to be made for Glass, Rogers and McGuigan all had days where they were superb.
McCluskey was our most consistent player all year, and that's saying something considering the year Derry had
True but our most outstanding player was Rogers. His performance in the Ulster Final was up there with anyone all season.
What about McKinless? McGuigan wasn't good enough for one.
I'd take consistently brilliant over outstanding.
Mccluskey just goes about his business, no noise, fanfare or fuss. Very rarely in the media and unfortunately, that may count again him. The same boy probably isn't even remotely interested in individual awards anyway.
From the outside looking in, McCluskey appears to be the type of player every squad and management needs. No fuss, no hype but gets the job done whether it is a marking job or a attacking half back.
Seems a likeable level headed lad which will probably go against him in individual award scenarios.
He would be an absolute nightmare if you are a forward. Not only will he mark you well but he bombs forward with serious pace and does it all day long - a machine.
In my opinion, he should get an All Star but Mckaigue will probably get it as he has a higher media profile and that is always worth a few votes.
McKaigue had a ridiculously good man marking record, think his man only scored a handful of points from play all year and thats marking the likes of McCurry and McBrearty etc
Agree, mckaigue has been an outstanding man marker this year especially and our go to specialist when required over the past 10 years. I'm still baffled though, as to why Rory Gallagher put him on finnerty instead of Comer in the semi.
In 5 out of the last 12 seasons the number of all stars awarded to semi and quarter finalists was greater than 5.
I don't think the gap between the finalists and the rest was huge this year.
Derry should get extra because we beat Tyrone out the gate ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 15, 2022, 02:01:01 PM
Derry should get extra because we beat Tyrone out the gate ;D ;D ;D
Cant do that.
Sure we werent rewarded when we did that to you numerous times over the last decade or so
I think Derry will get 2 and Armagh 1 or 2
Rodgers and McCloskey would be the 2 for me from Derry but will prob be McKaigue and Glass.
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2022, 02:19:10 PM
I think Derry will get 2 and Armagh 1 or 2
Yeah thinking the same as that. As always there'll be plenty of lads hard done by but at the end of the day they're only based off someone elses opinion, I'm sure the Kerry/Galway/Derry lads will be happy enough with the medals they won this year if they miss out on all stars.
Quote from: Taylor on September 15, 2022, 02:15:51 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on September 15, 2022, 02:01:01 PM
Derry should get extra because we beat Tyrone out the gate ;D ;D ;D
Cant do that.
Sure we werent rewarded when we did that to you numerous times over the last decade or so
Yeah but we weren't all ireland champions at the time. ;D ;D
Realistically, I dont think too many players will be annoyed about not getting one.
From a Derry view, I think we'll get 2 with McKaigue a cert. The other will probably be a toss up between rogers and glass. Or we might just get the 1.
Armagh might get 1, but I wouldn't be surprised if they got none either.
Vast majority will go to Kerry/Galway/Dublin.
Irish News Ulster All-Stars
1. Ethan Rafferty - Armagh
2. Conor McCluskey - Derry
3. Brendan Rogers - Derry
4. Chrissy McKaigue - Derry
5. J Og Burns - Armagh
6. Conor Doherty - Derry
7. Ban Gallagher - Donegal
8. Conor Glass - Derry
9. Gareth McKinless - Derry
10. Ethan Doherty - Derry
11. Stefan Campbell - Armagh
12. Rory Grugan - Armagh
13. Rian O'Neill - Armagh
14. Shane McGuigan - Derry
15. Benny Heron - Derry
Player of the Year: Rian O'Neill
Rian O'Neill player of the year is a joke.
Brendan Rogers Chrissy McKaigue Conor Mccluskey Conor Glass and Shane Mcguigan all ahead and maybe even Rory Grugan too. Hard to beat your uncle batting for you in the press!
Quote from: The Trap on October 01, 2022, 08:51:16 AM
Rian O'Neill player of the year is a joke.
Brendan Rogers Chrissy McKaigue Conor Mccluskey Conor Glass and Shane Mcguigan all ahead and maybe even Rory Grugan too. Hard to beat your uncle batting for you in the press!
That free alone takes it. Unfortunately for the Derry lads it's your last performance that sticks in peoples heads where they were hammered against Galway whereas we went to penalties in a cracker.
Only rogers ahead of him IMO.
Quote from: The Trap on October 01, 2022, 08:51:16 AM
Rian O'Neill player of the year is a joke.
Brendan Rogers Chrissy McKaigue Conor Mccluskey Conor Glass and Shane Mcguigan all ahead and maybe even Rory Grugan too. Hard to beat your uncle batting for you in the press!
He may not have been the most deserving but it is hardly a joke
Probably thought McKeigue should been POTY but he not be too worried. O'Neill was very poor first day against Donegaland was average enough against Galway free aside. I thought Campbell was a better player for Armagh when he started.
7 Kerry
5 Galway
2 Derry
1 BAC
0 Armagh
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1026/1331559-kingdom-to-the-fore-in-all-stars-football-selection/ ;)
The Clifford brothers, David and Paudie, are joined by team-mates Sean O'Shea, goalkeeper Shane Ryan, and defenders Jason Foley, Tadhg Morley and Gavin White.
Finalists Galway have claimed five berths. Damien Comer and Shane Walsh occupy two of the full-forward slots, with Liam Silke, John Daly and Cillian McDaid also included.
Semi-finalists Derry are represented by corner-back Chrissy McKaigue and midfielder Conor Glass, with Dublin's Ciarán Kilkenny, winning his fourth award, making up the team.
Would have had Rian in over at least 4 of those named and probably Rafferty in nets as well but that's probably just bias.
Rian O'Neill doesn't deserve an All Star ahead of anyone on that team. Rafferty the only valid shout from Armagh.
Very uncontroversial selection which is fairly spot on in my opinion bar perhaps Tom O'Sullivan losing out, rightly or wrongly the respective All Ireland performances where Silke pocketed Sean O'Shea and O'Sullivan had to deal with Walsh looks to have swung this selection, I don't think anyone would complain too much if he was in there ahead of Silke either although Silke had by a mile his best year in a Galway jersey and as already said had a superb AI final . McKaigue and Foley are automatic selections, midfield picked itself, forward selection is hard to argue against.
Yeah I think it is pretty much bang on too. Like you say maybe Rafferty as a shout but I am not sure O'Neill fits in there ahead of anyone that is there.
I wasn't sure Glass would get one but then I wasn't sure who else would get it in there either so wouldn't argue with it.
Really don't understand the push to get O'Neill an All Star.
He done nothing v Donegal in the Ulster champ. Tyrone were crap all year so irrelevant. Donegal in qualifier he was decent but not worthy of an All Star!
Brendan Rogers was hung out to dry by the Derry management and our 'goalkeeper' (for want of a better word) in the semi final. He deserved one IMO.
A good result for Galway considering expectations at the beginning of the year. Fantastic recognition for McDaid who was immense. The new Michael Coleman.
Should help Joyce with a few of the exiles.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 27, 2022, 09:36:35 AM
Really don't understand the push to get O'Neill an All Star.
He done nothing v Donegal in the Ulster champ. Tyrone were crap all year so irrelevant. Donegal in qualifier he was decent but not worthy of an All Star!
Brendan Rogers was hung out to dry by the Derry management and our 'goalkeeper' (for want of a better word) in the semi final. He deserved one IMO.
If he had came off injured at HT in the Galway game he might have got one because he was flawless until that point in the season. The game was over by the second goal so i wouldn't blame the keeper; he lost the all star on the first goal. It's not a very fair system but people will remember the last game more than any, see Tom O'Sullivan.
Quote from: Mario on October 27, 2022, 10:34:35 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 27, 2022, 09:36:35 AM
Really don't understand the push to get O'Neill an All Star.
He done nothing v Donegal in the Ulster champ. Tyrone were crap all year so irrelevant. Donegal in qualifier he was decent but not worthy of an All Star!
Brendan Rogers was hung out to dry by the Derry management and our 'goalkeeper' (for want of a better word) in the semi final. He deserved one IMO.
If he had came off injured at HT in the Galway game he might have got one because he was flawless until that point in the season. The game was over by the second goal so i wouldn't blame the keeper; he lost the all star on the first goal. It's not a very fair system but people will remember the last game more than any, see Tom O'Sullivan.
For me he was our best player all year and I just think its harsh on him. Gallagher should have had McKaigue on Comer but that's another story!
When does POTY get announced?
On the night, Clifford is going to walk it.
I'd have O'Sullivan over Morley who seems to have benefitted from been the free man at the back this year.
I'd possibly have Rhian O'Neill or McGuigan over Kilkenny but its not exactly the most controversial decision.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2022, 07:51:53 AM
Would have had Rian in over at least 4 of those named and probably Rafferty in nets as well but that's probably just bias.
It is just bias, aye.
Overall it is a pretty accurate selection however I would have a couple of reservations.
The Armagh keeper could have got in and there wouldnt have been much furore.
Derry corner back had a great year
Kilkenny was a surprise
Quote from: Taylor on October 27, 2022, 12:18:34 PM
Overall it is a pretty accurate selection however I would have a couple of reservations.
The Armagh keeper could have got in and there wouldnt have been much furore.
Derry corner back had a great year
Kilkenny was a surprise
I suppose Dublin had to get one- poor year by their standards but still walked through Leinster and were only beaten by the All Ireland champions thanks to a last minute monster free. Think I would have them as favourites to win the whole thing next year.
Tom O Sullivan got roasted in the final so lost out, Comer touched the ball literally 4/5 times in final 70/75mins but is in. O'Neill could of got Full forward, Keeper I went with Rafferty.. Rodgers unlucky but got Comer hit well on top of him in the semi after a great start, should been playing Midfield anyway, with McKeigue on Comer.
I'd say that 2 for Derry is fair enough, we were never going to get 3 or 4. I believe that McKaigue was always goin to get one regardless. So, if McKaigue had McCloskey's year and vice versa, McCloskey would still have lost out. Rogers can count himself v lucky as well. Had one poor half of football in this years C'ship.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 27, 2022, 12:37:01 PM
Tom O Sullivan got roasted in the final so lost out, Comer touched the ball literally 4/5 times in final 70/75mins but is in. O'Neill could of got Full forward, Keeper I went with Rafferty.. Rodgers unlucky but got Comer hit well on top of him in the semi after a great start, should been playing Midfield anyway, with McKeigue on Comer.
Selection of players that Damien Comer outscored from play in the championship:
David Clifford
Sean O'Shea
Shane Walsh
Paudie Clifford
Rian O'Neill
Rian O'Neill is not hard done by any stretch.. Do ye want him to get it for one great free in the Q final and a big performance against Donegal in a Qualifier? Because that's the sum of it. Wasnt even Armagh's best performing player in the Q-final. There have been travesties in All Star selections but O'Neill isn't one.
McGuigan far unluckier not to get the nod up front.
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 07, 2022, 04:03:18 PM
A stab at the possible team that i think will be selected
S Ryan
C McKaigue J Foley T O'Sullivan
J Daly. T Morley G White
C McDaid C Glass
P Clifford S O'Shea C Kilkenny
S Walsh D Comer D Clifford
Kerry 8
Galway 4
Derry 2
Dublin 1
I nearly got the full set.
Shane McGuigan doesn't do enough from play either and the Clare 'game' doesn't count.
What more does Graham O'Sullivan have to do to win an All-star?
Was flawless in every game before the final.
In the final, kept his man completely quiet, scored a point and set up 5 points. All from corner-back.
The backline was insanely competitive. You could swap out any of Silke, Morley and White there for any of TOS, Graham Sullivan, McCloskey or Rodgers and I don't think there'd be many complaints. The other 3 winners were nailed on
The only other debate is Rian o'Neill. Personally I'd probably do what the Sunday game did and shoehorn him in at midfield over Glass. Tom O'Sullivan, Comer and even Rodgers seem to be getting downgraded in people's minds for their performances in their final game, which Glass doesn't seem to be, and I don't think his year up to the point was as spectacular as the other three to those points. However on strict terms, he was the second best out and out midfielder.
The other would be swapping Kilkenny out for RON, but it's a time honoured tradition that all semi finalists get at least 1 award. Someone who nobody is talking about having a quiet final is Sean O'Shea. I suppose the spectacular free heroics live in the mind but it's particular funny in light of the debate around Comer, when O'Shea had an equally quiet final and Comer had a far better year up to that point. I'd argue that Comer is even more deserving than Shane Walsh tbh
Quote from: Manning18 on October 27, 2022, 04:27:20 PM
The backline was insanely competitive. You could swap out any of Silke, Morley and White there for any of TOS, Graham Sullivan, McCloskey or Rodgers and I don't think there'd be many complaints. The other 3 winners were nailed on
The only other debate is Rian o'Neill. Personally I'd probably do what the Sunday game did and shoehorn him in at midfield over Glass. Tom O'Sullivan, Comer and even Rodgers seem to be getting downgraded in people's minds for their performances in their final game, which Glass doesn't seem to be, and I don't think his year up to the point was as spectacular as the other three to those points. However on strict terms, he was the second best out and out midfielder.
The other would be swapping Kilkenny out for RON, but it's a time honoured tradition that all semi finalists get at least 1 award. Someone who nobody is talking about having a quiet final is Sean O'Se. I suppose the spectacular free heroics live in the mind but it's particular funny in light of the debate around Comer, when O'Se had an equally quiet final and Comer had a far better year up to that point. I'd argue that Comer is even more deserving than Shane Walsh tbh
Yeah definitely a hugely difficult team to pick this year. Kieran Molloy didn't even get nominated as far as I remember and he was excellent. Don't agree that Comer is more deserving than Walsh- Walsh's final would have deserved an thr all star if he hadn't touched leather the rest of the year
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 27, 2022, 02:55:10 PM
Shane McGuigan doesn't do enough from play either and the Clare 'game' doesn't count.
Wouldn't have Shane on the list either but Why doesn't it count. Both Derry and Clare Div 2 teams this year as will be in 2023. Clare earned their spot in the last 8 also.
Quote from: Blowitupref on October 27, 2022, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 27, 2022, 02:55:10 PM
Shane McGuigan doesn't do enough from play either and the Clare 'game' doesn't count.
Wouldn't have Shane on the list either but Why doesn't it count. Both Derry and Clare Div 2 teams this year as will be in 2023. Clare earned their spot in the last 8 also.
Clare no bad side at all but were like rabbits caught in the headlights against Derry
Quote from: Manning18 on October 27, 2022, 04:27:20 PM
The backline was insanely competitive. You could swap out any of Silke, Morley and White there for any of TOS, Graham Sullivan, McCloskey or Rodgers and I don't think there'd be many complaints. The other 3 winners were nailed on
The only other debate is Rian o'Neill. Personally I'd probably do what the Sunday game did and shoehorn him in at midfield over Glass. Tom O'Sullivan, Comer and even Rodgers seem to be getting downgraded in people's minds for their performances in their final game, which Glass doesn't seem to be, and I don't think his year up to the point was as spectacular as the other three to those points. However on strict terms, he was the second best out and out midfielder.
The other would be swapping Kilkenny out for RON, but it's a time honoured tradition that all semi finalists get at least 1 award. Someone who nobody is talking about having a quiet final is Sean O'Shea. I suppose the spectacular free heroics live in the mind but it's particular funny in light of the debate around Comer, when O'Shea had an equally quiet final and Comer had a far better year up to that point. I'd argue that Comer is even more deserving than Shane Walsh tbh
What games did O'Neill perform to a elite standard? Glass is the best defensive midfielder in the country. His off the ball rate is phenomenal.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 27, 2022, 06:00:11 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on October 27, 2022, 04:27:20 PM
The backline was insanely competitive. You could swap out any of Silke, Morley and White there for any of TOS, Graham Sullivan, McCloskey or Rodgers and I don't think there'd be many complaints. The other 3 winners were nailed on
The only other debate is Rian o'Neill. Personally I'd probably do what the Sunday game did and shoehorn him in at midfield over Glass. Tom O'Sullivan, Comer and even Rodgers seem to be getting downgraded in people's minds for their performances in their final game, which Glass doesn't seem to be, and I don't think his year up to the point was as spectacular as the other three to those points. However on strict terms, he was the second best out and out midfielder.
The other would be swapping Kilkenny out for RON, but it's a time honoured tradition that all semi finalists get at least 1 award. Someone who nobody is talking about having a quiet final is Sean O'Shea. I suppose the spectacular free heroics live in the mind but it's particular funny in light of the debate around Comer, when O'Shea had an equally quiet final and Comer had a far better year up to that point. I'd argue that Comer is even more deserving than Shane Walsh tbh
What games did O'Neill perform to a elite standard? Glass is the best defensive midfielder in the country. His off the ball rate is phenomenal.
All bar Donegal the first day. Was also unbelievable throughout the league especially the Dublin game. Anyway it doesn't really matter I'm sure he's more worried about his ulster club quarter final coming up
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2022, 06:48:44 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 27, 2022, 06:00:11 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on October 27, 2022, 04:27:20 PM
The backline was insanely competitive. You could swap out any of Silke, Morley and White there for any of TOS, Graham Sullivan, McCloskey or Rodgers and I don't think there'd be many complaints. The other 3 winners were nailed on
The only other debate is Rian o'Neill. Personally I'd probably do what the Sunday game did and shoehorn him in at midfield over Glass. Tom O'Sullivan, Comer and even Rodgers seem to be getting downgraded in people's minds for their performances in their final game, which Glass doesn't seem to be, and I don't think his year up to the point was as spectacular as the other three to those points. However on strict terms, he was the second best out and out midfielder.
The other would be swapping Kilkenny out for RON, but it's a time honoured tradition that all semi finalists get at least 1 award. Someone who nobody is talking about having a quiet final is Sean O'Shea. I suppose the spectacular free heroics live in the mind but it's particular funny in light of the debate around Comer, when O'Shea had an equally quiet final and Comer had a far better year up to that point. I'd argue that Comer is even more deserving than Shane Walsh tbh
What games did O'Neill perform to a elite standard? Glass is the best defensive midfielder in the country. His off the ball rate is phenomenal.
All bar Donegal the first day. Was also unbelievable throughout the league especially the Dublin game. Anyway it doesn't really matter I'm sure he's more worried about his ulster club quarter final coming up
Donegal the first day was the one that really mattered! He might run into Glass in the Ulster club all being well ;)
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 27, 2022, 07:43:01 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2022, 06:48:44 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 27, 2022, 06:00:11 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on October 27, 2022, 04:27:20 PM
The backline was insanely competitive. You could swap out any of Silke, Morley and White there for any of TOS, Graham Sullivan, McCloskey or Rodgers and I don't think there'd be many complaints. The other 3 winners were nailed on
The only other debate is Rian o'Neill. Personally I'd probably do what the Sunday game did and shoehorn him in at midfield over Glass. Tom O'Sullivan, Comer and even Rodgers seem to be getting downgraded in people's minds for their performances in their final game, which Glass doesn't seem to be, and I don't think his year up to the point was as spectacular as the other three to those points. However on strict terms, he was the second best out and out midfielder.
The other would be swapping Kilkenny out for RON, but it's a time honoured tradition that all semi finalists get at least 1 award. Someone who nobody is talking about having a quiet final is Sean O'Shea. I suppose the spectacular free heroics live in the mind but it's particular funny in light of the debate around Comer, when O'Shea had an equally quiet final and Comer had a far better year up to that point. I'd argue that Comer is even more deserving than Shane Walsh tbh
What games did O'Neill perform to a elite standard? Glass is the best defensive midfielder in the country. His off the ball rate is phenomenal.
All bar Donegal the first day. Was also unbelievable throughout the league especially the Dublin game. Anyway it doesn't really matter I'm sure he's more worried about his ulster club quarter final coming up
Donegal the first day was the one that really mattered! He might run into Glass in the Ulster club all being well ;)
Very true. Tough ask to get past Ballybay then even tougher one to get past Kilcoo. Would be great to see them do it though. Nothing stopping Glen going all the way this year though I reckon
Quote from: seafoid on October 27, 2022, 07:34:03 AM
7 Kerry
5 Galway
2 Derry
1 BAC
0 Armagh
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/1026/1331559-kingdom-to-the-fore-in-all-stars-football-selection/ ;)
The Clifford brothers, David and Paudie, are joined by team-mates Sean O'Shea, goalkeeper Shane Ryan, and defenders Jason Foley, Tadhg Morley and Gavin White.
Finalists Galway have claimed five berths. Damien Comer and Shane Walsh occupy two of the full-forward slots, with Liam Silke, John Daly and Cillian McDaid also included.
Semi-finalists Derry are represented by corner-back Chrissy McKaigue and midfielder Conor Glass, with Dublin's Ciarán Kilkenny, winning his fourth award, making up the team.
That Ciaran Kilkenny 6th All Star.
Quote from: Taylor on October 27, 2022, 12:18:34 PM
Overall it is a pretty accurate selection however I would have a couple of reservations.
The Armagh keeper could have got in and there wouldnt have been much furore.
Derry corner back had a great year
Kilkenny was a surprise
Scored 1-12 in 5 championship games. Not many half forwards scored that much from play.
Quote from: Gael85 on October 28, 2022, 12:07:48 AM
Quote from: Taylor on October 27, 2022, 12:18:34 PM
Overall it is a pretty accurate selection however I would have a couple of reservations.
The Armagh keeper could have got in and there wouldnt have been much furore.
Derry corner back had a great year
Kilkenny was a surprise
Scored 1-12 in 5 championship games. Not many half forwards scored that much from play.
You have to consider who the opposition was in those games?
This is the 3rd year in a row, all the all-stars went to just the 4 semi-finalists
Quote from: blanketattack on October 28, 2022, 10:27:40 AM
This is the 3rd year in a row, all the all-stars went to just the 4 semi-finalists
The Allstars are a formula. If the winners plus runners up get a total of less than 10 all stars there may be a quarter final all star.
This year winner plus runners up got 12
Quote from: blanketattack on October 28, 2022, 10:27:40 AM
This is the 3rd year in a row, all the all-stars went to just the 4 semi-finalists
makes a mockery of the renewed importance of the league
Quote from: seafoid on October 28, 2022, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on October 28, 2022, 10:27:40 AM
This is the 3rd year in a row, all the all-stars went to just the 4 semi-finalists
The Allstars are a formula. If the winners plus runners up get a total of less than 10 all stars there may be a quarter final all star.
This year winner plus runners up got 12
Correct Seaf.
Nice for the individuals who get them but the whole thing is not worth taking seriously.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 28, 2022, 11:25:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 28, 2022, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on October 28, 2022, 10:27:40 AM
This is the 3rd year in a row, all the all-stars went to just the 4 semi-finalists
The Allstars are a formula. If the winners plus runners up get a total of less than 10 all stars there may be a quarter final all star.
This year winner plus runners up got 12
Correct Seaf.
Nice for the individuals who get them but the whole thing is not worth taking seriously.
I was listening to Off the Ball on the hurling all stars. Daithi Burke had a good year but Galway didn't win Leinster and they weren't in the all Ireland final so he won't get an all Star.
The rules are clear.
All of the fuball winners won a provincial title...
Quote from: Franko on September 14, 2022, 05:35:01 PM
Derry will get 2
McKaigue and Glass
Whether they are the most deserving 2, is another debate altogether
Ahem
Quote from: Franko on October 28, 2022, 01:40:04 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 14, 2022, 05:35:01 PM
Derry will get 2
McKaigue and Glass
Whether they are the most deserving 2, is another debate altogether
Ahem
Spot on. Would say McKaigue direct teammate McCloskey was more influential during the year. Can't begrudge McKaigue either as his role was man marking, leadership and he carried that out well during the year
Quote from: NotedObserver on October 28, 2022, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: Franko on October 28, 2022, 01:40:04 PM
Quote from: Franko on September 14, 2022, 05:35:01 PM
Derry will get 2
McKaigue and Glass
Whether they are the most deserving 2, is another debate altogether
Ahem
Spot on. Would say McKaigue direct teammate McCloskey was more influential during the year. Can't begrudge McKaigue either as his role was man marking, leadership and he carried that out well during the year
Look at the quality of players McKaigue marked throughout the year and how he did against them
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 28, 2022, 02:22:02 PM
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Derry will get 2
McKaigue and Glass
Whether they are the most deserving 2, is another debate altogether
Ahem
Spot on. Would say McKaigue direct teammate McCloskey was more influential during the year. Can't begrudge McKaigue either as his role was man marking, leadership and he carried that out well during the year
Look at the quality of players McKaigue marked throughout the year and how he did against them
McCloskey was very effective going forward thought out and kept Shane Walsh quiet in the semi-final.
Quote from: blanketattack on October 27, 2022, 03:07:15 PM
What more does Graham O'Sullivan have to do to win an All-star?
Was flawless in every game before the final.
In the final, kept his man completely quiet, scored a point and set up 5 points. All from corner-back.
He along with Tom O'Sullivan were far more deserving of an All Star then Morley who has benefited immensely from not having a direct opponent.
Was McKinless not deserving of one?
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 28, 2022, 04:14:48 PM
Was McKinless not deserving of one?
No. His performances tailed off after the Monaghan game. Didn't look fully fit from the Ulster final onwards.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on October 28, 2022, 04:14:48 PM
Was McKinless not deserving of one?
No. His performances tailed off after the Monaghan game. Didn't look fully fit from the Ulster final onwards.
I'd agree with this, had a great start but tailed off slightly (don't think he was 100% fit). Would have had Rogers, McCluskey, McKaigue, Glass and McGuigan ahead of him in the pecking order for an All Star. Great to be in the conversation again though.
Footballer of the year David Clifford. Young Footballer of the Year - Galway defender Jack Glynn.
Strange set up this year, there no dinner set up table wise as previous years.
Cost of living crisis on lad, can't afford it
I attended the 2015 edition in the Convention Centre. Dinner takes place in a different room after the awards.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 28, 2022, 03:54:28 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on October 27, 2022, 03:07:15 PM
What more does Graham O'Sullivan have to do to win an All-star?
Was flawless in every game before the final.
In the final, kept his man completely quiet, scored a point and set up 5 points. All from corner-back.
He along with Tom O'Sullivan were far more deserving of an All Star then Morley who has benefited immensely from not having a direct opponent.
Morley and Foley should have gotten 1/2 an All-Star each as Foley was full-back and Morley was more 3/4s back than half-back. They worked brilliantly in tandem mind, a worldie from Costello bring the only goal conceded.
That would free up one then for Tom or Graham O'Sullivan who fought their battles on their own and bar Tom in the final, did their job really well and had a great attacking threat as well throughout the year.
Quote from: blanketattack on October 28, 2022, 11:05:10 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 28, 2022, 03:54:28 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on October 27, 2022, 03:07:15 PM
What more does Graham O'Sullivan have to do to win an All-star?
Was flawless in every game before the final.
In the final, kept his man completely quiet, scored a point and set up 5 points. All from corner-back.
He along with Tom O'Sullivan were far more deserving of an All Star then Morley who has benefited immensely from not having a direct opponent.
Morley and Foley should have gotten 1/2 an All-Star each as Foley was full-back and Morley was more 3/4s back than half-back. They worked brilliantly in tandem mind, a worldie from Costello bring the only goal conceded.
That would free up one then for Tom or Graham O'Sullivan who fought their battles on their own and bar Tom in the final, did their job really well and had a great attacking threat as well throughout the year.
Defensive improvement was key to Sam Maguire returning to Kerry and Morley, Foley was key in Kerrys solid system and structure to their defence.